Part two…Interpreting the clues…

Sharing the poem with your friends can lead to a lot of questions. One I hear often is “Why is Brown capitalized?”. The short answer is. “Because Forrest wants it capitalized.” Its not a mistake. Its not an oversight. Of these things I am certain. Forrest told me that he wrote that poem years before he actually hid his treasure. He crafted the words over and over again. They are perfect.

Given this, why does Brown need to be capitalized? Here are some ideas…just ideas…     A proper name…as in, “the Brown family” would certainly be capitalized. There are other instances of capitalization as well. For instance, “Brown salamander”. In this case Brown is not the color of the salamander but rather a common English name for a specific type of salamander. Those who study salamanders or who write about them,  generally capitalize the first descriptor.  There are other instances where Brown, as a specific descriptor, gets capitalized.  I don’t believe Forrest is suggesting that his chest is hidden near the home of Brown salamanders. But I do believe “Brown” is a descriptor and probably has nothing to do with the color “brown”. I’ll leave it to you to research other possibilities on Wikipedia or Google. Use your imagination. Don’t be limited by what you already know. Learn something as you investigate. Forrest wants us to do that. Perhaps because his dad was a school principal….and for goodness sake read his memoir where there are lots of hints to ideas conveyed in the poem. Finally, don’t forget that Forrest is a big fan of playing with the rules of punctuation…and possibly even capitalization…maybe the capital “B” means nothing and could have been a small “b” just the same.

FORREST FENN’S POEM

The toughest part is finding a place to begin…

As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.

Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown.

From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.

If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.

So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak.

So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.

Lets go to the second verse of the poem and look at the line “Begin it where warm waters halt”. What could that mean? Just some possibilities to get you thinking:

Where a hot spring enters a cooler mountain stream

The last house with a hot water heater along a mountain stream

Behind some sort of barrier that stops warm water from going further.

I think there are other possibilities that you will find if you read Forrest’s memoir.

But its an important idea to get right because its where you begin.

Okay, what about a blaze? A blaze is a fire. Its also a trail marker. Sometimes its a trail itself. The Santa Fe Trail could be called a blaze. The person who first marked it out was a trailblazer who blazed the Santa Fe Trail. There are more contemporary meanings as well. Aren’t there several sports teams called the Trail Blazers. One is in Portland. Maybe the treasure is hidden there. (I would be very surprised).

That last verse…what does “in the wood” mean? To me, as a kid that grew up in Michigan “in the wood” means “in the woods”. So I would expect there to be trees around. Others have suggested to me that it means something broader. It means “in the wild”. So it could be in anyplace outside of a human population center. Someone else suggested it could mean in a wooden box. That too could be possible.

Now let me show you a set of applications that I used to find an area. I already thoroughly searched this area and all around it. I didn’t find a thing. But if you think this is the spot…go for it. If you find it there please tell me so I can cry myself to sleep. This was my first search area. My good friend Tom and I headed out to New Mexico in May of 2011. We knew precisely where we were headed because we had been researching and planning most of the winter.

The gorge of the Rio Grande…very intimidating

Begin it where warm waters halt
This is the key line of the poem. If you  can find this place everything else will fall into place. I thought we had found it. To me this was the place where the glorious Rio Grande river begins its plunge into the gorge at about the New Mexico/Colorado border. The Rio Grande is the river in New Mexico. All others pale in comparison. If you talk river in NM you have to talk Rio Grande and the “gorge” is the place where that river really takes on it’s New Mexico flavor. I read in an essay written by Tony Hillerman (I think) that up to the gorge, the Rio Grande thru the San Juan Valley in Colorado is shallow and warm. But as it starts its plunge into the Wild Rivers area and the start of the gorge the river becomes cold. Cold enough to sustain a wonderful trout fishery. So this became my starting point…the place where warm water halts.

And take it in the canyon down,
This is obviously the gorge itself. An 800ft  deep canyon and wild as wild can be.

Not far, but too far to walk.
This means I travel down the canyon some distance that I (or Forrest) would not want to walk. Hopefully I can drive it.

Put in below the home of Brown.
To me the home of Brown had to be the home of Brown trout. About 12 miles down that gorge is where the Red River joins the Rio Grande and the Red River is a heralded Brown trout fishing stream. 12 miles is way farther than I would walk. So I would “put in” where the Red River ends at the Rio, which is below the home of Brown trout.

From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.

Access to this point is via one of several trails that plummet 800 feet into the gorge. The gorge itself is supposed to be home to snakes and polecats and all kinds of critters one would rather not put one’s finger in the mouth of. Its a steep trail… not for the meek. Once down there, the river is a torrent. I have heard more than a few stories about fishers who lost their footing in that gorge and were found drowned miles downstream. Experienced paddlers sometimes go down this ranting course of river but they cannot go up it…no paddle up your creek. Additionally, giant boulders broken off from the canyon rim above have landed in the cascade and over millennia been sculpted to polished beauty. These giant beauties dot the river all thru the gorge…heavy loads.

My friend Tom on the rim of the gorge in May of 2011…

If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease.

This is the part of the search I could not do from the safety of my laptop. I had to go down into that gorge and look for a blaze. Tom and I descended. We scanned every tree and rock for miles up and down that gorge along both the Red and the Rio looking for a blaze…a mark..on a rock or tree or a signpost. After 3 days of searching….NADA…Nothing…no blaze.

So this is where my search area fell apart. This is where I finally had to admit that I needed to move on to my next potential location.

and on it goes…

Please be aware that I am not suggesting that anything I say here will lead you to a chest full of gold. I am fully aware that I know very little about where Forrest could have hidden his treasure and further, my ideas are only as good as everyone else’s. I only wrote this blog because I want others to begin considering what that poem might mean and where the treasure could be. Someone will find it. Your ideas are just as valid as anyone elses. Go for it…and have lots of fun along the way…

I had a gas in that gorge. It was nearly my ruination getting back up and out but it was a great time and I saw so much that is different from where I live. I met new folks. I saw eagles and osprey and deer. I never saw a single beer can down on that river. It was BEAUTIFUL!

dal….

361 thoughts on “Part two…Interpreting the clues…

  1. Dal,

    Isn’t it amazing how the clues begin to shift over time. The poem is not an easy map to follow. I believe “Brown” is the most puzzling and important clue of all, but I do not believe it to refer to something as general as Brown Trout.

    I was struck when Forrest said in the HDNet interview that “after hiding the chest, I walked back to my car with a smile on my face” – this seems to answer the question of weather a horse or watercraft would be required. Seems.

    The fact that some of Forrest’s close friends are out looking is a bit disheartening, but at least we know he’s “gone alone in there”

    Twice I’ve heard Forrest say and write that the key is to THINK (always in caps). Does he mean that literally, which would be rather obvious, or is it another clue? Perhaps we can ask Brown?

    -E

    • Eric-

      Sure is! They mean different things to me today than they did in 2010.

      Given the large number of local folks who have been out there searching every trout stream between Sante Fe and Saskatoon it appears that you could be correct. It just seems likely that someone would have found it below a Brown trout haven by now, if that’s where it was stashed.

      I agree with you that its not likely to require anything more than a car and a short hike to get at the location Forrest used to hide the chest..however. I am not yet convinced that it will be as easy to retrieve as it was to hide.

      He’s never written to me that I should THINK. Probably knows its beyond my capacity. Its always fun to explore possible hints…
      Maybe he is referring to the Napoleon Hill book, Think And Grow Rich.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_and_Grow_Rich

      or maybe he is referring to the 1968 song by Aretha Franklin.
      http://www.allmusic.com/song/t2877384

      or maybe it has something to do with Think Shoes, for people who want to blaze their own trail. (honestly…thats what it says on their website)
      http://www.thinkshoesusa.com/

      Finally, I don’t think we should be concerned about anyone who knows Forrest or who worked for him or who is related to him having a leg-up on this treasure hunt. The proof is that his friends have been out looking since the winter of 2010…and its still out there.

      He says in the HDNet interview that its a very special place to him…
      I think about the places that are special to me and why…

      dal-

        • Wow, lots of bad spelling in my first post: I rush. Anyway I was recently on a United flight and their magazine “Hemispheres” had a whole article on Forrest and this treasure hunt, so the cat is definitely out of the bag. http://www.hemispheresmagazine.com/2013/01/01/the-thrill-of-the-chase/

          One thing that really struck me, at one point the author writes –

          “He hasn’t gone back to his hiding place to see if the treasure is still there. He assumes it hasn’t been found (though he knows of “more than a few people” who have searched within 500 feet of the site), and that suits him fine.”

          If true, that’s a big deal! It means the clues have been solved by “more than a few” people. And those people have all reported back to Forrest in one way or another. It also stands to reason that the treasure is therefor within 500 feet of a notable/nameable spot.

          Dal, I’d bet a chest full of gold you are one of those people!

      • Eric- I think you are jumping to conclusions about the 500 feet remark. It’s true that Forrest said something like that and you need to look for his exact quote because that’s just a paraphrase. You will find lots of comment about it on my blog. But it does not mean what you think it means..
        For instance…
        Lets say the treasure is hidden less than 500 feet from a road or a popular trail. Depending on the traffic on the road or trail, many people a day could pass by that chest and not even know it. Forrest did not say that “searchers” were that close…and we have no idea if he actually told any folks they were within 500 feet..
        You have to be very cautious about how you interpret Forrest’s remarks. He is a wordsmith and he knows people will jump to conclusions. He’s a sharp guy and this is his game…
        And don’t trust anybody else’s interpretation of what he says..It’s often messed up…

        • Maybe were thinking too hard, and it’s NOT in the wild. Maybe an abandoned city that was built on too of a cave and there he buried it but I’m not sur about brown. Forrest is very persuasive… Like a modern hurler but is killing society!! Remember it’s special to him…!

      • i don’t agree, my special place is neither where i grew up nor where i live now. i have a special place i go to when i just need to think and it’s a private place that only I know about and it’s very special to me. But i did “visit there each summer growing up.” but i did not live there.

    • Eric& Dal,
      A virtual baron of words and knight of mischief is messing with us. :) Approaching it from a wordsmith /code breaker angle, the word THINK very prominently presents itself in the earlier half of the poem. Was blown away when I found that last night– using the same key that gave me the start point …
      My opinion so far: All in all, the poem is 75% straightforward. Even much more straightforward than some folks are letting it be. The starting point is NOT straightforward at all – it’s impressively coded/slang-disguised. Likewise, I’m feeling like 75% of what ole Lord Fenn shares in interviews is deeply clue-revealing and can Help with the tough parts. 25% of the interviews/extra hints are deceptive / has double entendre.
      THINK indeed. (Having a great time , Mr Fenn ; thanks!)
      -mapsmith

  2. I’ve been thinking about Brown and wondered if…ok this sounds silly…if a brown house would be considered a Brown house if it’s an outhouse. I’m sorta wondering if that might narrow it down to being near one since theirs so many national and state foresty areas..especially in Yellowstone. Have you searched Yellowstone much Dal? I’d think that would be close for you. Anyway, was just thinking that, that might actually be what narrows it down to being by.
    The other thing I was wondering if heavy loads meant a train was near it or some sort of truck or machines as those carry heavy loads.

    • Red River NM West of the town there is a massive mining facility…

      This was my first thought Stephanie. Warm waters halt (Red River city limits?)

    • Why would I leave my treasures anywhere, and where they came from: I will just give an example…. my own experience….I have a reunion party ever year where I grew up, while, I was 9 or 10years old, just childhood memories, when I was the happiest. All of us gather, about 100 of us,, every year. Still celebrated, in my home town. Now I live somewhere else, and don’t move back ever,50 years, since, but build my life here. where do I say my home is now? But still go back to my reunion….why would I hide my treasures somewhere else?

  3. Oh and part of his book talks about a forest road with deep pot holes. I thought that might be an interesting clue. I also think the Indiana Jones reference is interesting…and his friend Eric has passed away who wrote a bunch of books and also painted some amazing paintings. He talks about only two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead…so I thought about buying some of Eric’s books. No way could I afford one of his paintings LOL…I could affor an inch of one…but I don’t think he ever made them that small LOL.

  4. I’ve figured out that I went to the same church as Forrest, was baptized in the same place he hid the treasure and I do mean that literally. The more I learn about him the more we have in common. One difference perhaps is that in the Air Force he was a pilot looking down at me and I worked on radar looking up at him, figuratively of course. He got out in 1970 and in 1974 I went in. Please remember that Forrest started out his career in radar school.

    When I was about ten years old and in the boy scouts, I built a crystal radio. It was able to extract the power of radio waves right out of the ether, no battery, no box. I’d listen at night when I would lay in bed. Then when I was eleven my mother bought me a “Heathkit” AM/FM/Short wave radio. It was like a thousand pieces of parts that one had to solder together and assemble. You know, resistors, capacitors, tuners, coils, transistors, transformers. What should have taken a week, I did in a day. In went the batteries, I turned it on and guess what, it played! Lot’s of fun but sure did not beat fishing. Fishing don’t make you smart, it makes you happy to be alive.

    In the instructions there was a sheet about the “color code” and this may be a clue. Resistors have bands of color that signify a value. Each color a number, a different meaning like Red, White and Blue. At eleven, I just looked at the sheet and had it memorized. Ever since I could just look at a resistor and tell you the value that it was. Simple, strait forward and made sense to me. There are two other things, wattage and tolerance…..5% is Gold.

    When I was 18 and he Biloxi, I remember a class where the instructor told us a mnemonic. I was young, naive, from a town outside Dallas, Texas and the world was very different from today. Anyway, it went like this…..”bad boys rape our young girls but violet gives willingly” Bad is Black = 0, Boys is Brown = 1…..and so on. I’d never heard that one before and already had the colors down pat since eleven but had a nagging question. The class was a mix of young men and a few women. I remember asking him what rape was? I think I spoke for more than a few of us. His answer was simple and true, “Just remember it, someday you’ll figure it out” Youth is not wasted on the young…. we reserve that for war. I never forgot that and when I did find out what it meant was kind of shocked and surprised. In this politically correct world, I wonder if they even use that one anymore?

    I learned much in the Air Force, it changed my life and’s how I met my wife.

    Then I think about my youth in NM and that they would not teach you “that” in church. No my friend, look close at his book, it has to be a fish. With his father and mother, sister and brother… some of the best times of his life.

    • The other mnemonic (and one I learned, probably in one of the books from RadioShack) was :

      (B)etter (B)e (R)ight (O)r (Y)our (G)reat (B)ig (V)enture (G)oes (W)est

      I dabble in various ARGs (alternative reality games) that involve these sorts of puzzles (book codes and the like) .. that use stenography and cryptography, but I don’t know how clever a guy this chap was .. but the scope is limited to a degree because we’re talking about an 80yr old guy with cancer carrying a 50# chest.

      FWIW “house of brown” is on the Sante Fe trail, but in Colorado.

  5. I think I have the starting point (99% sure) and will be heading to NM in a couple of weeks. I’m sure others have been positive as well, so we will have to wait and see. All of the clues added up nicely (finally) after thorough research. I found myself kicking myself and saying “duh” once it came together. Wish me luck!

  6. Just learned about this treasure hunt an hour ago. Is there a reason everyone is looking in New Mexico? Why not Texas where Forest is originally from?

    • It does not have to be in New Mexico but Texas won’t work. Forrest has said that he hid it in the Rocky Mountains north of Santa fe. Wikipedia does not show any of the rockies in Texas.

      • Hey Andy, try looking at other rivers. What about the Rio Grande? It’s a warm river right? Fenn’s from Texas, so he might enjoy seeing the Rio Grande. The end of the Rio Grande is in a place in Colorado, situated in between the Rockies. There’s a penny for your thoughts, could you put your two cents in?

    • Absolutely not. It could be anywhere in the Rocky Mountains north of Santa fe. That includes NM, CO, MT, UT, ID, WY, BC and some would add AK. So you need more help in defining an area. Most people feel that’s where his memoir comes into play. There are stories in it about his youth and the places he’s loved. Reading it will help you eliminate the unlikely places. There are other helpful posts on this blog and others that can help you formulate a likely location too. So read all the stories you can about Forrest on the web, in various blogs, on his own web page, his books…It takes some serious research. If it were easy it would have been found by now. He hid it 2.5 years ago and people have been looking for it since he hid it.

  7. What if the “treasure” is being with loved ones out in the “gold” sunshine & “brown” is the desert land. I think that makes us all “millionaires”!

  8. There’ll be no paddle up your creek, Just heavy loads and water high. Could this mean a difficult/rocky trail (no paddle up your creek, just heavy loads) and water high refers to clouds?

    • I think you’re right about Forrest’s intent…to get folks outside and love the outdoors as much as he has. But my personal thinking is that those are literal clues that refer in some way to the physical description of the place..

  9. Here you go, did some real quick research,
    Start Glacier Gorge Trailhead, CO, warm water halts when frozen as in Glacier
    The trailhead is put in below BROWN bear lake, which also has BROWN trout
    Mt MEEKer is to the south, second highest summit in Rocky National Park
    The waters high i think is the trail heading to Lake Haiyaha feed by Chaos creek,
    There is an old ‘Fire Trail’ that cuts to The Lock, and comes out just east of the major junctions of lake haiyaha trail, glacier gorge trail, and the lock trails.
    The fire trail is not used as often, Fire as in BLAZE. http://books.google.com/books?id=wfUAQJBZzRYC&pg=PA112&lpg=PA112&dq=old+'Fire+Trail'+glacier+gorge&source=bl&ots=RCtP9AMHz1&sig=21UKBWJ3MLArS34XuseRCz44JEw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=X7gvUbvfBOrhiALY-4HYBQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=old%20'Fire%20Trail'%20glacier%20gorge&f=false

    http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5841703
    Picture of the trail

    There you go, not sure where on the old Fire Trail your going to find it. Too far away to travel there myself.

    ~Majorlag

    • Sure it could. Hundreds…maybe thousands have scoured the Moreno Valley and Cimarron River and Elizabethtown. That doesn’t mean it’s not there but a lot of folks have poured a lot of energy into that area…and according to Forrest the treasure is still where he put it. Might be there…might not.

      • Very interesting ideas here. Kudos to Forrest for doing this. Surprisingly, I think I have a good idea where this treasure may lie! This is a great excuse for me (and my family) to get back out to NM. I think Forrest would like nothing more than a father and his daughters to find this treasure… I keep telling myself.

        Anyone have any ideas about what you would do with the treasure if you found it? Myself… I think I would only take part of the treasure, and re-bury the rest. In essence, leave incentive for others to seek the “other” treasure Forrest hopes we find.

  10. I really wonder if it has already been found. A smart person would find it and not say a word. They would slowly sell off the treasure for cash so that they wouldn’t have to give up a huge percentage in federal taxes. Just my thoughts.

    • Jeff…you’re not listening to Forrest are you? He says it’s still there. Not mine to question how he knows this. But if you like puzzles try to imagine how on earth he would know if it’s still there when he says he does not go out to check on it.

      • On his own website it is stated as follows:

        “Has the Treasure Been Found?

        To our knowledge, NO!

        There is always a chance that someone has found it and hasn’t made it public but as far as we know it’s still out there.”

      • Jeff…
        You’re still not listening. That was posted in 2010. Since then in interviews and on this very blog he has stated that the treasure is still there.

        • No tax obligation on “finding” the treasure. Tax obligations kick in when pieces of the treasure are sold.

      • Im going to Yellowstone memorial day weekend and with the book and the poem I think ive pieced it all together. Hes stashed his personal belongings there for years….hint of new and old…and noone has found them or disturbed them when he returned the following years. His father an possibly mother were the only ones who knew of this place. So….I believe ill begin in my secret location and hopefully find his, though, if I find it I will never tell.

    • This smart person spent about 8 hours working on the clues and is taking the next Amtrak from Boston to Santa Fe. From there, renting a car for a 2 – hour drive to the fabulous spot. I’m an old cow hand, on the Rio Grande…..lol

      • Hi Steve. How was your trip? My wife and I just arrived. We do not expect to find it, but would like to look where a lot of smart people have already been. Mainly to see the beautiful area. You seemed quite sure you had the start figured out. Any suggestions for the rest of us?

        • Hi Nate. I was being humorous (or trying to be) when I said I was smart! LOL Anyway, my only advice is to go slow and enjoy the scenery around you. My trip ended way too soon and I can’t wait to be able to go back. Not to hunt again, just to relax and enjoy. As for any kind of hunting advice, I’m afraid I’ve gone back to the drawing board myself. I’m still fond of the places that I explored, but for other, more spiritual reasons. It awakened something in me that I thought was long dead. I’m somewhat reborn and have only Mr. Fenn to thank for it. I’m even thinking about moving out there so I can enjoy it year-round. Good luck and enjoy yourselves!

  11. Heres my two bits. Maybe someone else has time to explore. Browns park in NW Colorado is situated near cold springs. Cold springs would be where the warm water ends. If you put in below the home of Brown, you would be putting your raft in below Browns Park on the Green River. If you traveled down stream, and did not leave and go towards Meeker, just east of Browns Park, you would end up going through The Gates of Ladore(rapids) High water and heavy loads. As you travel through the Gates, there was a forest fire a couple of years ago (Blaze). Your effort will be worth the cold… The Green River is cold when you get wet in the rapids. Along this stretch of the river, there numerous cliff outcroppings where there are numerous trees. An excellent place to hide a treasure chest. And if you are lucky, you might find Butch Cassidy’s hidden loot!! Good Luck.

    • David, I know of several searchers who have explored that exact route. Nobody has turned up anything yet. That doesn’t mean its not around there. It’s a big area.

    • Fur trapper Robert Newell lamented the fact that the mountain men were becoming horse thieves and robbers. Summarizing the feelings of old mountain men toward the demise of the fur trade and the new lawless breed, Newell told Joe Meek, “We are done with this life in the mountains—done with wading in beaver dams and freezing or starving alternately—done with Indian trading and Indian fighting. The fur trade is dead in the Rocky Mountains, and it is no place for us now. . .What do you say, Meek? ( No place for the Meek) Browns Hole (Browns Park)

      • Thats great!!
        There is another story about Joe Meek…when he was lost in winter and came across the Yellowstone Plateau. Possibly the first white guy to see the place. Later in life he recounted that experience. He wrote: “The whole country… was smoking with the vapor from boiling springs, and burning with gasses, issuing from small craters, each of which was emitting a sharp whistling sound… like that place the old Methodist preacher used to threaten me with… But the warmth of the place was most delightful, after the freezing cold of the mountains; so if it was hell, it was a more agreeable climate than I had been in for some time.” What tough guys those trappers must have been.

      • I wonder if Mr. Fenn was a fan of series “The Great Adventure.” Episode 7 season 1 was based on the Diamond Hoax of 1872…Another treasure that sparked the interest of many people. And, it was located in the North West corner of Colorado..Imagine that!

      • Where do you get Browns Hole from Newell telling Joe Meek, “We are done with this life? They went much further west.

    • preston; the problem with your theory is that meeker is in another zip code.It’s a hundred miles east of ladore.

      • You are right, I was just throwing that out. Just like most of the people looking for Mr. Fenn’s treasure, I have about 10 theories. Another one ended up in Montana on Mt. Chisolm (the blaze), looking down onto the Heather Lake area. Another one end me up on Blaze Mountain in Montana. I know that I cannot get away to look for the treasure, but I am still having fun looking. ;)

  12. Hi guys I just started “thinking” about this, and here goes 1/2 of what I think of it.
    I live in Santa Fe but I have no car at the moment so I will go to the places I think it is.
    It’s in a cave in the Sangre de Cristo mountains near Nambe, I has a flow of water that comes down from the mountains and it’s cold, the part of Brown I think it refers to an old movie called The old santa fe trail in witch one of the bad guys it’s called Brown.
    And that’s just one part of the investigation that I started today. (thank you yahoo).

    AlexB.

    • alex i am in florida, originally from boston, a city boy and i also derive a cave from the poem caves are cold damp and i assume in n.m. many have water running through them, i think it is in clear shallow water in a bear (BRUIN), (BROWN,) denizen. keep me posted and hope u find it

    • Interesting. I’ve been sitting over here in Chicago checking out Google Earth for fun and have added placemarks to only two locations. One of them is southwest of Nambe, which sounds like the same area you are looking into.

  13. I can give an explanation of all the clues. Slightly different from what is written in this blog. I plan on going in this treasure hunt but can’t at this particular time. I will have to wait until May and it may be too late at that point. I’m willing to share my insight if anyone ones to use my clues and your willing to split it.

    • I am considering taking a crack at it in a couple of weeks. If I dont find it, then I am going with my brother in April. Do we know what time of year Fenn stashed it? If the site is in Colorado, would I even be able to have access to it this time of year? JP, I’ll split it if your clues lead me to the spot!

    • share a couple for fun jp and lets see if we’re close..:) i have some very different interpretaions of the clues, and believe this treasure is very close to santa fe.. i’m heading out in one month.

    • Hello Jp, Iam going to NM April 3rd. Have an idea or two but nothing really new to what I have read from here. If you have any ideas and I can follow thru with them I will be more than happy to split the pot with you. I plan on doing some fishing on the lower Red River so I will do some poking around there to start.

  14. Here’s the new clue Fenn released this morning on Today;

    The treasure is hidden higher than 5,000 feet above sea level, Forrest Fenn told TODAY viewers.

    That leaves a lot of ground to cover in mountainous New Mexico, where Fenn lives and the treasure is presumably buried. The average elevation in the state is 5,700 feet.

    He plans to return to the Today show each month to release a new clue until the treasure has been found.

  15. Put in below the home of Brown. One of the oldest ranching families in NM. Brown ranch East of Raton 165 miles NE of Santa FE Dry Cimarron River continues east and exits NM to AR.

  16. Some things are simple and some things are hard. Clues are hard to put together. They could mean anything. It could mean it is under a septic tank. Hope not, but who is to say. My 2 cents.

  17. Back in 2004, I buried a small brass elephant next a bench in Hillside Park (Santa Fe). A couple years later i went back to look for it and could not find it :( The bench had been moved… LOL!

  18. My thoughts on the blaze…My uncle was an avid photographer and lived in Colorado. He took an awesome photo of an abandoned mine. The sun hit it perfectly and i now have it framed. He said the sky was overcast all day and as he was getting into position to shoot, the clouds parted for several seconds and then the sun was gone. So my first thought was maybe theres a place that the sun may hit just right on a daily basis before it is gone, like Indiana Jones in the Map Room when the sun shone thru the stone releaving the exact location to the Well of the Souls. I can see how you wouldnt want to “tarry scant with your marvel gaze” because one could lose site of it and the beacon could be gone…idl…just a thought…

    • “maybe there’s a place that the sun may hit just right on a daily basis before it is gone” – check out McKenna’s Gold (1969).

    • There seems to be a lot of places “where warm waters halt”. To me i think of a place where a spring meets a river or creek. Im in NW Arkansas so im not adept in all there is to know about the real mountains and how and what kind of waters flow up there. Everybody’s thoughts on the clues sound plausible to me so I dont know…need help here…

    • MJN,

      It seems that’s the obvious choice but I can’t help to think that it’s something different. Apparently Ryan has had an ah ha moment about another definition and its making me crazy that I can’t come up with that clue. I think all the rest of the clues will fall into place once you figure out warm waters.

  19. I believe the last line gives the final clue to the treasure. There is no need to actually hide the treasure when you could leave a legal title to claim it. That way Forrest would know for sure when someone had obtained the paperwork required to claim the the chest. It would also allow him to have his bones (hopefully cremated) included with the treasure.

  20. Steve brings up a good point. 70 yr. old man carrying a 40 lb chest into the wilderness? Highly unlikely. Maybe its something to claim the treasure, thats why he knows its not been found.

    • That’s the only way he could say with confidence that the treasure had not yet been found. Plus he’d have the perhaps bittersweet satisfaction of knowing that it was discovered.

      • I just booked my train tix from Boston to Santa Fe. I’ll know right or wrong by Saturday afternoon. Hopefully I’l find it, but if not, at least I’m getting the adventure out of it. ALSO, if I fail, I will give exact details of where I looked and how I arrived at the location so nobody else will waste a trip there. Good luck all!

    • I have to take issue with the fact that a 70yr old man may have trouble carrying a 40# pack very far or over rough terrain. He would be wise to not take chances like with his body at that age but i dont think it matters. He could have put it on a wheely cart for all we know. And i think he knows a straight shot in the back door to where its hidden that he can drive to and check on it and leave with minimal fuss. But what fun would that be for those of us treasure hunting?

    • ONLY 70?? I just went Geocaching with a group last weekend and in it there were several guys in their late 60′s and one in his 70′s and they had no problem trekking through the desert, climbing rocks and such. Two of them teamed up and walked a stretch of caches that was over 2 miles, and they each carried a gallon of water, radio, cell phone and other things needed for caching. So don’t you think that a 70 year old guy can’t put on a pack with 40lbs OR MORE and pack it in someplace that may be only a couple of hundred feet off of a road. Or a mile even!

    • I have no idea where it is, but I’m just starting to research it.. I’m a college student and I plan on spending spring break looking for this treasure. I figure it will be a lot of fun getting out and hiking around at the very least. If anybody has actually done the research and has a fairly good idea about where it could be but can’t make the trip to get there, I would be willing to go in 50/50 with you if I found it where you think it is. minus expenses of course. you can respond to me on here as I am now currently checking this blog daily. Otherwise, if anybody isn’t sure about where it is but may no a good starting point, I would love to hear your ideas. I actually like Dal’s ideas and may start where he left off if nobody else gives me any.. Like I said, i think it will be a fun week long trip at the least.

    • Iam going out there in two days. If you have any ideas I will be happy to look around a bit. Iam not going out there to just hunt treasure but I will have a feww extra days to kill. I would be happy to split the find if I find it using your clues.

  21. Ive read so much lately my head is spinning, so instead of running through it all again, can someone tell me if anybody thinks the trail ends in a cave? The first line sounds to me like the final clue where he went in to leave the box, then he backs up and says “begin…”

    • i think its behind a waterfall.. but who really knows..I don’t recall him every saying you have to dig.. he says to just look down.

  22. If there are too many places to check, then try looking at the words in a unique way. For instance, “water high” could refer to a water tower, not a creek with a deep point. How many creeks have deep spots? You gonna search for every deep spot on every creek, or go look for a water tower along a freeway where “heavy loads” on eighteen wheels roll by every 10 seconds? That sounds a lot easier than looking under every heavy boulder in the Rio Grande. By the way, if you have to cross a freeway on foot, it’s “not far, but too far to walk.” Anyone would be hightailing it across that patch of concrete.

  23. Paraphrased from http://americacomesalive.com/2012/08/19/the-dog-on-the-hoover-dam/

    In 1932 a part-Labrador puppy with a jet black coat and a white blaze on his chest was said to have been born in the crawlspace beneath the first police building in Boulder City. A laborer for Six Companies, the joint venture of construction companies building Hoover dam, began bringing him to the worksite while he was still a puppy, and he became a welcome addition to the workforce.

    The dog was as sure-footed as any mountain goat and made his way around the canyon and on the construction catwalks that the men used to navigate the dam. He could climb up ladders and follow the men into tunnels without fear.

    On February 21, 1941, it was unseasonably hot and the dog looked for shade under an idling truck. Sadly the driver was unaware that he had crawled under the rig, and as the driver moved away from the site, the dog was crushed beneath the truck’s wheels.

    He was buried in a concrete crypt near the Nevada abutment and memorialized with a plague identifying him as a dog that adopted a dam.

    On March 21 1979, the plaque was removed; many Boulder City residents were very upset by this treatment of the “construction crew mascot,” and the local people petitioned Bureau of Reclamation to reinstate the plaque. Eventually the locals prevailed, but a new plaque was put up that told the story of the dog who adopted a dam but it left off the dog’s name.

    Imagine how hard it would be to paddle up to the base of the Hoover Dam. The heavy load of water it is holding back. How cold the water on high is coming out of the turbines. And a dog’s name changed for politically correctness. Oh, the dog also had a poem written about him.

  24. Hello all whos seek the gold, Mac from connecticut getting my research done and making arrangements to bring my xbox expert 12 year old son and my 21 yearold step son out in to the cold. Cant wait to have them see the rockies as I did having lived in durango for a while in the 1980

  25. I’m planning on making a trip every weekend starting next wekend the 15th through the end of March. If anyone feels like they have a strong understanding and belief of where to start or where the treasure might be, but you live too far away or cannot afford the trip let’s talk and maybe we can work out a 50/50 split. Also let me know if anyone wants a hiking partner.

    -Brandt

  26. after nearly a week of studying maps, interpreting clues and researching them. i think ive found it! a cold chill ran through my body when it all fell into place.. or so i think.. and now i feel a sense of relief.. let the physical work begin.. well,in 3 weeks that is .. gl all

  27. Dal,
    My first thought when hearing about the story was Red River. I’ve been there many times and stay in the Elephant Rock camp ground between Questa and the town of Red River. Awesome place! The Red River is within walking distance. I slay the trout every time we go. I’ve waded in the river up and down, but not all the way down to the hatchery. Anyway, my take on the word play isnt a physical warm water but warm colors or feelings. Red River the town could be where warm waters halt, take the canyon down following the Red River, not walking the bank because if you have been there you know why…but wading the river down. Along the river it does get moving pretty fast and has a few steep elevation changes. Blaze could be a fast moving current or rapid? I also recall many pools and draws that were created naturally – end drawing nigh – ‘nigh also a term for left side in horsemanship lingo’.

    Something else to consider for this location is the mining that occurred over the years on the north side of the river, above the water in the canyon…(heavy loads)
    *Food for thought*

    -Nick

  28. So hear me all and listen good,
    Your effort will be worth the cold.
    If you are brave and in the wood
    I give you title to the gold

    Hi all. I would like to give the first line a thought. So hear me all and listen good. Hmmm. Fenn is an excellent writer and he chose the word good. Good as all you know is an adjective and should describe a noun. But there is no noun, correct? The word good is describing listen (which of course is a verb). I think we might – just might – need to also listen for something- or actually listen for a typical sound that is NOT being made – and that is what the word good would describe. Or its just poetic licence. LOL Good luck everyone!

  29. Dal, I have read at least 50% of your blog and I am still reading along today, but what I cant seem to find (or I overlooked it) is do we know what the size of this box is? I know that it does not make much of a defrance what the size is but its one of those things in the back of my mind I need to put to rest.

  30. Finding the Nymph asleep in secret where,

    Should we be using other sources to put the puzzle together? Did Forrest read this poem and grab a bit of material?

  31. Teh treasure could be by a Brown bear’s home, and it says not to linger, “BUT TARRY Scant, do not stand there and linger, just take the chest and get out of there!! Any thoughts??

  32. not to be mean or anything, no disrespect to the great man, but at 82 years old i do not believe he can go very far with 40+ pounds of gold on foot. let alone hike up trails or do any crazy outdoor stuff. keep in mind he was alone, these days not even your most fit hikers or adventures go alone if their gonna go more than 50 feet from a road or trail. Fenn did say something about walking back to his car after hiding the treasure.

    • Ian: If you take a moment and read a few websites like http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2261145.shtml You’ll see that Gadi put in his notes that Mr. Fenn tells him that he took the treasure in multiple trips. Now I’m not 80+ so it’s really hard to comment on age but if the spot is very dear to Mr. Fenn there is a chance he knows the footsteps like the back of his hand. There for may be easy to him while hard to others. Mr. Fenn and Mr. Neitzel have both stated that it’s not an unsafe spot where its hidden. Not that Mr. Neitzel know where it is hidden but I would guess that he takes Mr. Fenn’s word.

  33. It’s true…I do take MOST of what Forrest says seriously. However he has a sense of humor and if you are not aware of when he is using it you can end up being guided by his humor rather than his intent.
    He also makes mistakes..as in the recent interview on WGN radio where the first words out of his mouth were “I buried it because…”. Up to that point he had always said “I never said I buried it…”. Clearly, the introduction by the host and the pressure of live radio had an effect on what he said. A little later in the interview he retreated to his usual position and didn’t even remember that he had said it was buried.
    So yes..I take him at his word…when I am convinced that he meant what he was saying..

      • I do not believe the chest is buried. I believe it is hidden and it could be in a small cave or crevice or crack large enough to accommodate it. It might also be under a rock cairn or even in an ancient Native American grain storage bin. But it is not “buried” in the conventional sense of having to dig a hole, lower the chest into the hole and then cover it with dirt.

  34. Dal, I have no clue just yet where I would like to start my total search but I do have a number of ideas. At this time I’m one of the people who were to slow to learn about such a quest so I’m now having to wait on Mr. Fenns book. My wife and I were married in the town of Silverton Colorado on March 10, 2012. Every year of our relationship her and I have taken 3 or more trips to the Rockies. We Stop in Canon city for Wine and hit the hot springs outside of Florence. We have a hobby of taking every old mining trail we can find deep into the Mountains. There is so many spots that I have seen in my life that I wish I could have lived my life in. Today thinking back I say what if we had crossed paths with Forrest at some point wile out just goofing of looking at wild flowers and mapping out old trails. I have got together with my hiking buddies and we have a small team of 4. None of us can work out going to NM or CO at the same time so there for we go on our own or with loved ones. We will try to check multiple spots wile out that way and narrow down our search faster. We have a “SPOT” device for our safety and also we use to track our location so we can build a better map. I don’t know if any one of us will ever be so lucky to find the chest but I have no doubt that the story of our search will be a good one.

    • Excellent. I have been through Silverton many times. I think its a good possible location. But remember not to look to far from a road or where a car can be parked. I don’t think he would have carried the treasure very far…too heavy… What do you think?

      Dal Neitzel http://lummifilm.wordpress.com/

      • I just don’t have a good answer for you on that Dal. I have my search set at up to 3 miles from any roadway now if he took more than 1 trip and I’m sure he did. Then I would focus my search harder in the first 2 miles. Call it a bit much But I have never meet the man so I don’t want to undercut him.
        Have you been basing your trips on a particular distance out?

    • I locked on to Silverton today from a clue and what I know of it so great coincidence I found you here.
      the clue”There’ll be no paddle up your creek,Just heavy loads and water high.” I’m trying out the theory of heavy loads being train tracks next to a stream coming from a high place.

  35. yes…I don’t walk any farther than I believe Forrest would have…Except when I get struck by the beauty of the spot. Then I walk further. Not because I believe it’s there but rather because I just want to walk around and admire the place…

    • Well I will put my foot back in my mouth. Today Forrest says don’t go further than an 80 y/o man would with a 42lb box. Well not how do I judge that one!!

      • He also says people have been within 500 feet of it. Most likely within 500 feet of where non searchers would most likely be.

  36. Great blog dal,

    Stumbled across Fenn’s story a few weeks ago and have been 100% obsessed since. I am currently serving overseas (Korea) so I myself am not able to search, well not just yet anyways, but I have put in countless hours of research. My brothers back in California are annoting a few maps from some spots we have come to strongly the treasure may be hidden. Yellowstone is our prime target and we plan to make the trip there this June when I return to the states on midtour.
    Alot of great theories here can’t wait to see what else everyone comes up with!

  37. Kelly has an interesting perspective. If water = lava, then the congealed lava flows “where warm waters halt” which would be impossible to paddle up. The volcano is above 5,000 feet, isolated (though accessible via a roadway), and not of much interest to anyone except geological history buffs or collectors of arrowheads, which I believe Forrest loved.

      • you just have to look it up :) google it. i wrote about this last week in a “Thank you post to FF. for more info look up this word (ʻAʻa) yes it’s a word. :)

    • I think the blaze being the volcano is a good idea, I do not believe that “where warm waters halt” has anything to do with the volcano.
      “But tarry scant with marvel gaze” Would make sense in correlation to the volcano, because hey it’s a volcano don’t want to hang around for too long. :)

  38. I believe I know where the treasure is. I would love to tell but will keep this secret until my trip there in 3 weeks. Everything in his poems matches up like a story incuding the blaze. Its just a matter of searching in an area of 1-2 miles. I will give a hint of where I think it is. Its on a river. Not in the river. Forget Resivors, hot springs, dams, water towers.

    • Blueridge,

      I’ll give you a hint, it doesn’t have anything to do with a river or anything warm for that matter.LOL

      • Slope 66. Guessing you found the treasure then? My hint is based off an area I feel confident it could be? Only Forrest knows exactly where. My clues point me to a great spot. If I find it, I’ll let Forrest know

        • Nope, just tired of reading all the people that have declared they know where the treasure is from their butts at their computer. The only time I want to read about someone finding it, is when they actually have taken a photo and Forrest has confirmed it. Unless you want to contribute ideas, which I’m sure you’ve read some good ones from these blogs, then go find then you can brag you knew where it was. Good luck!

      • I have to agree with slope 66…. Don’t post that you know where it is and are looking.. we all have ideas about where it could be… if you don’t want to share your ideas, don’t post.. otherwise lets share ideas with each other.. :)

  39. Home of Brown-remember Mr. Fenn was an art dealer/self taught. Red, yellow, and black make brown. As for his age-this guy spent his life hiking the mountains: was shot down in Vietnam-found his way out, once walked 92 miles with a friend, is a very competent writer of various types, enjoys a good joke,at 80 is most likely tougher then most twenty year olds. How many of you have ever hiked above 8,000ft? I go to Breckenridge frequently, which sits at 9,600ft, just hanging out there can give you a headache at times; let alone skiing or biking or hiking. First thing I’d do if I were anyone planning to do any physical activities at high elevation is-get in shape. Don’t let 80 fool you; this guy is hard as nails. As for kids-keep an eye out for altitude sickness; can be deadly. Also where are the Rocky Mountains in Utah? Also Mr. Fenn stated treasure not in NV. Again back to Brown-anyone hear of Hoodoo Brown; one of NM’s most vicious outlaws? Brown March nymphs? Various Spanish words relating to Brown; German, Old English, Navojo, ute, Apache, Commanche, Kiowa? Just tossing out a couple things to ponder.

    • What the hell is going on ? Why are so many people cluttering up the site with crap questions and bullshit. There must be some way that sensible people with real ideas can contribute to this site. Who wants to know that you have solved the poem and in 3 weeks your going to go get it but that’s it !. for the love of might just go get it and then tell us you got it. Here is my two penny’s worth and I don’t care who finds it. It is clear to me that when you find the piece of paper or message that say’s phone Fenn to claim this he will know you found it.I also happen to think that Brown is the name of Brown the outlaw so where did he live ? . Anyway please at least ask some questions or say something when you post on this site because frankly most of you are boring me to death. Thank you and have a great day.

      • My heart goes out to you, Andrew. It is very frustrating here at times. My advise is to read all the posts (you never know) copy & paste stuff that is like – “Oh yeah, I’d never of thought of that”. Then be patient, and most important 2 things: 1. Be almost too nice 2. Play your own cards close to your vest… This IS the Blogosphere. We are not in our homes/offices/beds.

      • Andrew, I feel your pain but Slim is absolutely correct. You will read things that will send you down possible paths that you may have not thought about. It’s too bad more people don’t put their energy towards unlocking the poem rather than worry about what type of land they will find it on or dealing with the IRS, or photo shopped pictures. The list goes on and on. Just be patient and keep reading.

  40. Just wanted to throw something out there. I remember either someone saying in a video or on a blog that they were checking a river or stream but couldn’t see below the surface. Not because it was muddy, but because of the water’s flow and ripples. Has anyone tried taking along a small glass fish tank or clear plastic box of some sort and partially submerging it? Works like a glass-bottom boat and should work in most cases I would think as long as the water is relatively clear and not muddy. I’ve seen it done at the beach in the ocean. A little hard to hold in a strong current, but should be do-able. Beats putting on a swim mask and sticking your head in the ice cold river

  41. The poem is the map. Follow from the top (Flaming Gorge) down all the way to Gates of Ladore. Rafting is best. Find the rock art and listen for the Whisper

    • Diamond – I have a very similar theory. My brother and i are going out this weekend to search along the green river south of Browns Park. Why do you think it is some kind of Rock art and what is up with the “Whisper”?

  42. I apologize for acting like I know where the treasure is. I really dont. Just gets exciting to think you pieced it together. but their so many possibilites. I heard Forrest is giving another clue out each Month. I personally believe its somewhere on the Rio Grande River. Forrest loved to flyfish. Good Luck All !

  43. I agree with BlueRidge….RIO GRANDE RIVER is the super HOT SPOT! That’s where I will be focusing on from April 9th thru April 19thl! If you see a very handsome fellow out there by the Rio Grande River…that’s me VGBOSS! Stop by and say hello but please don’t ask for clues or to see my notes and awesome map that I drew-up with 9 hot spots.

    • Hey not trying to ask for what you know, but are you going to try the san juan mountains? Would like to have an extra person or two on the hunt out there.

  44. Rio Grande River is a place Forrest spent a lot of time. I personally think Forrest didnt drive all the way up to Yellowstone to hide it. Otherwise why would he specifilly say he hid it in the mountains N of Santa Fe. He could have said he hid it in the moutains N of New Mexico. I love to Fish and some of the best communal times I have had spiritually have been on the water enjoing Gods creation. You can tell his poem had some spiritual undertone. As we get older, many of us tend to connect with that part of ourselves. I personally believe Forrest hid it along the Rio Grande where Forrest loved to fish. I have two hot spots where it may be. See if they verify in two weeks. He also said people have come very close to it and it can be schorched in a forest fire. My guess is,its at entrance of a cave or in a tree,

    • Blue-
      Forrest told me that his original plan was to say it was “in the mountains”. He added North of Santa Fe because he did not want people digging up his yard. Forrest has said that it’s not in a tree but it is surrounded by trees. Then he added, of course if you go out far enough everything is surrounded by trees.

      • Dal did hear Mr. Fenn carefully? Did he say really say TREES or 3′s as in the number 3? Could be Three 3′s blazed on a tree or on the wall of a cave? I’m being serious…we can’t underestimate Mr. Fenn. He told us to think, to use our noodle, so that’s what I’m doing.

      • a Blaze can also be “A Blaze of trees together in a shape. you know like a whole bunch of trees that make a square or a tragle shape. it can also be a Blaze of flowers.

    • I don’t want to lead anyone astray from their ideas but keep in mind that Forrest is/was a pilot and I have seen him in photos alongside a privet plane. I would not assume that he had to drive the treasure all that far. From me reading on Mr. Fenn’s site I see he is/was a board member of the Buffalo Bill Cody historical center located in Cody, WY.

      Now the Rio Grande is a great location and I myself have spent a week just this month looking up and down some great spots. I came to ask myself while I was standing at the fork where the Red River meets with the Rio. “How much of the Rio is really considered in the Rockies?” From what I could see I was a number of miles to the west of the larger foothills.

      Dal, I know that you had spent some time looking on the Red River. Could you give me some insight how far you looked and if maybe your search criteria has changed a bit since you were last there? Maybe just why it is you stopped looking there. It was a superb location and the waters were so very tranquil. I think I may have upset a few fishermen seeing that the trails were so close to the river’s edge. I did see a few things that got me thinking a bit harder about what the poem might mean. As I stood on the bank a listened to the water poring over the rocks I got to thinking. This is going into spring and the water levels I can almost bet are up a bit right now with snow melt. Is there a chance that Forest is referring to heavy loads and water high to mean the average current in the water to be a heavy load?

  45. Great story Dal and i really like some of your interpretations of the clues, especially if they are the same as mine. :-D It’s that first one where we are supposed to start – “where warm waters halt” that gets us all off in different directions. Forrest’s description saying it’s “north of Sante Fe” instead of saying it’s north of NM now have me thinking again about changing my focus. I’ll probably do that again a dozen times before I hit the road. :-D

  46. Dal, how wrong I was when I said it would be a while before I came out there again. I came home to foot-deep snow, my daughter’s car with a blown transmission and other craziness……it’s back to the mountains for me ASAP! If you thought I came out last time on a wing and a prayer, this time it’s a one-way ticket and I won’t quit until I’m exhausted…..physically, mentaly and financialy. Lol! You only get so many chances in life. Gotta go for it!

      • Hi Dal, Richard is an awesome guy. I’ve also bent Stephanie’s ear a bit since I got home and started planning my next trip. I think that you, Stephanie and Richard have already given me treasures beyond compare. Friendship without the expectation of anything in return is rare, but even more so when there is the possibility of millions on the line.as in this case. BUT….I’m going back out there one last time. And if I’m ever so fortunate, you will all be rewarded for your kindness. :)

  47. I think I know where the blaze is I used to live in santa fe and helped gene chiply carve the gears and the dragons you see in the picture window at the ST’ Micheals clock tower I also built the brick parapet on top of the gerber alexander building and installed all the brick floors that are laid upon sand . I have spent many days exploring from santa-fe north to espanola and beyond to the colorado boarder . I helped build the school in canjones village up by abiquiu dam and explored all over the state . I have been from santa-fe to madrid and lavahada hill to caballo lake fishing up and down the rio-grande river I hunted and explored around hills burro and winston through the black to silver city .I am from durango colorado and helped rebuild the turn of the century building after it burned and was transfered to santa-fe by mark gerber to do all the brick work on his building there. I know that country well.and spent many years there. Many years ago. I now live in montana and believe it or not I have been a professional treasure hunter for almost a decade I have eight different metal detectors for multiple applications . I hope to get down to santa-fe this spring and will do a search. until then happy hunting and good luck

    • Mark, if you don’t have the beginning, then you don’t have the blaze. Sorry pal, don’t give up its still out there.

  48. Take each line of the poem and anytime you see a letter that only appears twice in the line, you use that letter. For example, the first line would provide ” I,H,O,and N. Do this for the whole poem. When you have all of those letters, you arrange them to make the following series of words;
    “The treasure is hid in the big canyon north-west of the Brown Ranch. Dig, quick, devils frost shard ford.” with “OHRWDHMHPDDW” remaining.

  49. Can someone tell me what exactly are the 9 clues? I assume they are primarily lines 5-12 which would be 8 clues, counting each line as a separate clue. Then what would be the 9th clue? Is it that it’s in the mountains north of Santa Fe?

    • Hello fellow bewildered T-hunters. I m about 8 hours online into this quest after seeing Forrest on Today show today giving his new clue which is ” above 5000 Ft” . I have to say since this is my first day on the hunt that I have come up with some of the same ideas and areas some of you folks have. I have read many articles and interviews with Forrest today and I would like post to adhere to a coherency as some previous comments make no sense based on what is known. I ve read about some that are out there searching now wasting gas doing it wrong because they didn’t research everything and Think about where it was logical for him to hide it.

      1. This one is the real kicker:Forrest’s Clue “in the mountains north of Sante Fe” one of the comments above MIS quoted it to say “Rocky Mts N. of Sante Fe” ….Ive googled many articles and Forrest told a few reporters ” I didnt say in New Mexico, Alaska has mountains North of Sante Fe.”
      He spent many childhood years in Yellowstone which has all the components.
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/03/clues-for-finding-forrest-fenn-s-buried-treasure-part-2.html

      2. Obvious to some and myself , he probably put it 50′ or less from where he parked. He’s 80 something when he hid it and it weighs 40+lbs. Go buy a box of drywall mud at Home Depot for $5 before you go hunting and carry it with you. It weighs 48 lbs but hey, youre young you can handle it !. If you feel any strain triple that for a worn down 80 yr old body and that is farther than he took it.

      3.Some guy on Youtube figured out Forrest hiked up a river with it and put it at the bottom of a waterfall….NOT! Forrest said it would be safe for 10,000 years against the elements , floods, earth quakes so Im only going to include EXTINCT volcanoes.Dormant ones could still blow in thousand years.

      4. “There’ll be no paddle up your creek,Just heavy loads and water high.”
      That could me a stream next to train tracks that haul loads , and the stream is coming down a high mountain. Which might back up the “But tarry scant with marvel gaze,” good advise to not linger on train tracks.

      5. ” If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,” could be anything , I might look around for Chimney Rocks at the base of a chimney is where the fire would be, … just a thought.

      I could go on but lets face it there are treasure maps that have been around for centuries that produced no results. Clues are just vague enough to be anywhere. I have to thank Mr Fenn for stimulating my mind this much to focus this long , over 8 hours now. Forrest said “the main goal of this treasure hunt is to get people off the couch and out in nature doing something”.
      And sell books eh Forrest?

      PS: Has anyone read that it was buried? from what i can tell its out in the open easy to find when you get to the spot! “If you are brave and in the wood I give you title to the gold” .
      a hollow or fallen tree?

  50. I am currently in the air force as well, im in PA and cant make it out to search. I have only started researching this today even though ive heard about it for 2 or so years. In the first part of the poem it says “Hint of riches new and old” doing a smart educated google search for renamed NM state parks which could solve the “New and Old” part i came up with 2 state parks that have been renamed in the 1900. The first isnt correct due to it being south of santa fe and forest states its north. So the only other one is “Eagle Nest Lake State Park” Elevation is 8,300 ft, Its warm in the summer is stocked with brown trout and go figure is also a ice fishing desstination in the winter. Thats warm and cold, also it was man made and from an old basin. Also the population around it is very very small. Their is a village around called “Angel Fire” could be the Blaze? Also their is another small community around called sunny side. And lastly a small town called Cimarron is nearby that is part of the santa fe trail where in 1859 gold seekers heading west would stop and rest. It makes perfect sence that the treasue is somewhere around Eagle Nest Lake. I hope i can help someone out their by throwing that information that took me all of 5mins to research find the treasure. If i am correct and someone does find it, use it well and share it with others.

  51. I should have added in my previous post THE MOST IMPORTANT CLUE of all that I read. Mr Fenn says ” I hid it and thats where my involvement ends, finder has to figure out what to do with it”
    The TREASURE IS THE PROPERTY OF THE OWNER OF THE LAND IT IS FOUND ON! if its the federal govt. lands you wont get any if you turn yourself in!
    Here’s what I would do if I find it. I will contact Mr Fenn and tell him where I found it so he could put the word out to the world that it has been found by an anonymous caller thereby calling off the search. I would remind him that that will cause more book sales with renewed interest in the book.

    Hope that helps , next contact me for where to send money for that tip that saved you millions!!!

  52. So I could potentially hate myself for saying this if someone else were to find it because of my musings, lol – but atm I don’t have the money to go look for myself :( BUT, I’ve seen several comments about Brown’s Hole/Park…in that area of Colorado. IF (big if, I know) it were to be in that location…what about somewhere around Vermillion Falls?

    (From there it’s no place for the meek, The end is drawing ever nigh; There’ll be no paddle up your creek; Just heavy loads and water high. If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, Look quickly down, your quest to cease)

    Not sure where it’s located in relation to Browns Park, though but…vermillion = red/bright = blaze….maybe??? Anyone know if the area has been checked?

    • Vermillion falls is quite close to Browns Park, as well as the creek that leads up to it. The only thing that is troublesome is the phrase’if youve been brave and in the wood.’ From google earth it doesnt look like theres many trees around there. Can anyone else disprove this?

      • I see….in the wood could mean different things, though. Like, if it were in a log made of wood or something like that. Or maybe it refers to the chest itself being made of wood? I dunno. I guess the only problem with it being in a log would be that he’s said that it would last a long time and be protected from the elements. Just a thought, though.

      • Sean-

        Forrest himself said to someone..I believe it was Stephanie. “it’s (the chest) not in a tree but it’s surrounded by trees.” Then added “of course everything is surrounded by trees if you go far enough out.”

        • Everything I’ve read about Forrest reminds me of “Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid” with Paul Newman and Robert Redford, particularly the scene where Sundance yells, “I can’t swim” and Butch replies, “Well, the fall will probably kill you!”-Ronald Planesi(Facebook user)

    • I spent 4 hours in this area today. Unless it’s in the bottom of the pool (4-6′ deep), it’s not in, or around, the falls. The water’s muddy, too cold for a swim today! KJ

  53. When the time is right i think it will be found but that may be a long time forrest obviously did not want that to happen for a long time Everyone needs to relax and have a good time out there searching and good luck M.W.

    • Did anyone go to the 24th annual ski bump in santa fe? Supposedly a band called The Strange gave a new clue out yesterday…

  54. Dal, spent an interesting hour reading this saga. Initially thought that a simple scan of the geography would do it, but after looking at the amount of clever decoding done by others, i guess not. In conclusion then; i think the real answer lies in decoding the author’s life and values to find out a suitable start point. In fact, i’ll wager a buck that the poem is incidental and the end point is given somewhere in the other parts of the book. Andy F.

  55. Just a few thoughts before I leave for NM in two Days. Home of Brown is the most important clue and before you can even hypothisize about any of the rest of the clues you must start there. If you look up the meaning of Brown you will find that a conotation of Brown means Indiginus. Just a piece for you who are looking for a place to start. Heavy load, snow is considerd a heavy load when building a structure due to the water content. 1 gallon of water = 8lbs. I will post my findings when I get back.

      • Iam staying in Taos, drove over to the Bandelier Cliff dwelings yesterday and hiked the main loop to see the cliff dwelings but also hiked down to the first falls. Some of the clues fit the area but now that I have been there I do not think that forrest would have hid his treasure in a state or National park. It is against the law to bury or hide or take anything out of a National or state park. So back to searching for a location to investigate. Maybe the Red river area.

  56. Just some thoughts…..We are leaving for Santa fe, new mexico, in a week. My husband will venture out into the mountains, treasure hunting, while doing what he does best – hiking, exploring, taking photos and just enjoying gods creation. I can’t wait to explore an area that, I have always dreamed of – museums, art galleries, national parks, hiking trails, etc. In January we were driving home on a Wisconsin highway and were rear ended by an 18 wheel semi truck which resulted in a horrific car accident. We were lucky to have survived the crash. Good luck to all who search for this treasure but, i have found the treasure – life! Be safe, enjoy the treasure hunt, while decoding his clever clues, hiking and exploring new places, but, dont, put yourself in harms way – take care as you travel! My guess is that Mr. Fenn wants us all to enjoy the tale he wrote and to keep our perspective!

  57. As far as ownership of the treasure is concerned- If I leave something behind on public property and that property is found it does not belong to the state. They are required to make every effort to find me and return my property. If you find the treasure, just say you’re returning the property to your friend, Mr. Fenn. I did find the post that it may only be a piece of paper that you give to Mr. Fenn entirely plausible. Correct me if I am wrong, but there will be no tax to the finder as Mr. Fenn said it is a gift. He would have the tax burden if the value exceeds $10,000. MAJ Fenn left Vietnam the month before I arrived and we were both pilots, does that give me any insight that the rest of you might not have-NO! Good luck.

    • I doubt it’s just a piece of paper. I read that Mr. Fenn isn’t concerned if it isn’t found in his lifetime. That whether someone opens it now or in 10,000 they will get a big shock. So I doubt very much it’s a piece of paper considering if he passed away there would be no collecting the “reward”.

  58. I live in colo not far from the rio grande headwaters, which are ice cold and full of trout. My old friend lives in santa fe so I plan on spending the next month or so searching in between my cabin and his house. I am an expert backpacker, biker, hunter, fisherman, and I snowboard over 100 days a year; point being Ill be sleeping on the dirt the whole time. I will be provisioned, equipped for long duration, but my cabin is only 4 or 5 hours from my search area in case I need anything. Starting point: Rainbow hot springs colo. The only thing my little circus is lacking is years of research. I have only recently began reasearching this, as you can imagine my lifestyle doesnt lend itself to cable tv or newspapers, so I am years behind some in research. I do however have an outdoorsman s eye and instinct. I easily go unnoticed by noisey city folk, so I know you can find alot near a busy place and nobody would be the wiser. He was 80 so I expect it wont be in a crazy hard to reach location, plus he wants kids and fat adults to get up and find it. I have a metal detector and a goldpan for fun, does any one have any ideas but cant make it yourselves, I would be happy to listen. Shoot me some so colo and nor nmex tips or ideas. End of the day this is just an excuse for me to put a few hundred more miles on my boots. Hit me up

  59. Mr. Fenn was 78-79 at the time he hid the treasure. I believe he even mentioned in one interview that he made several trips with the loot.

  60. This is awesome regardless whether or not the treasure is out there. I really wish I could get out there and search, but until then I’ll keep reading other peoples thoughts and hearing how their searches have gone.

  61. Dal, I thought I saw you taking pictures of the Lamar Canyon. That is the heavy loads and high water. Up the river is a blaze of cottonwoods. I have pictures of those and other hints I would love you to take a look at and then comment on. captpappy | A great WordPress.com site

      • No, I am in NM for now but have retired and travel. Love your blog its lots of fun. Hope you read what I posted. I wish we could discuss the complexity of Fenn’s poem for me it is packed with history. The 1988 blaze, the man who started the US Forest Ranger Museum Ranger Gary Brown , Watercolor artist Arthur Brown who painted Mammoth Hot Springs, referral to heavy load a dredging term. I also learned a lot about the animals in the area and the geology like the Soda Butte, Blaze and her wolf pack. Most of all it was the best Easter Sunday I have ever spent there in the Lamar Valley without the usual crowds other than the herds of buffalo.

        • capt-
          I have read and am reading your blog. I posted a link here so others could go read it as well. The only thing that bugs me about your approach is your confidence. Well…okay…it’s confidence in my opinion…
          I know how it is though. I could not have been more confident about my first solution if Forrest himself had appeared in a rainbow mist in front of The Dude Motel in West Yellowstone wearing a golden halo of omega symbols and using a flyrod for a scepter and handed me the solution.
          I’m not saying this was your first solution…just saying that I know how confident a person can get…it’s a zany feeling…Just ask Stephanie Davis…Jeese! Her description led me to believe they were going to have to sedate her to get her out of that train.
          But I digress…ha!
          Your solution is logical and geographic and it makes a great deal of sense to me. I suspect the Lamar Valley will be overrun with searchers this weekend…bonanza of entrance fees for the park…
          They should send you a gift certificate for a buffalo ride or something…

          • Thank you for attention. I have written my feeling on the disclosing of what I have found on my journey before. I would have donated half to the Cody Center and kept the location of my find to myself. The treasure gives all of us something to dream about. The chase is one thing in a disturbing and somewhat negative world that feeds the soul. My intention was to keep the dream alive, for me that would have been a chance to discuss my experience with Fenn and a few treasure hunters. Getting there second was a bad ending and quite hard for me to accept. Friends have thought I had gone over board. Thanks to Fenn I had two and a half months of purpose now I will move on. I think I will remove my posts tomorrow and close the door on this adventure. I respect you Dal thanks for you view. I hope the treasure is still out there. I hope it for all who need something wonderful like the chase. When I looked into the tree there was a hole about two feet deep, It was like sawdust or peat. The box shaped impression in the sawdust was perfect. It was about 3 inches deep with smooth sides and square corners.it wasn’t burred it had made the impression by pressing itself into the soft peat. The impression fell apart easily as it was dry This is why I am confident. I looked for more than 28 hours most of them in the canyon .I crossed the river went in knee deep snow and climb the sides. I found some perfect hiding places, Some of these places were lined up with natural markers that could be called a blaze. None of those places though beautiful gave me cause to cease my quest. When I looked in the wood it was a sinking feeling that I hoped I could overcome by sharing the experience with others of the treasure hunting elk. Maybe I will go back and leave a little something.

  62. Hi all-

    I have a few ideas about how the search is supposed to begin. First, I think that the double omega at the end of the book, (and maybe the author’s initials!) point towards some clues having two interpretations. In the first place, “Begin it where warm waters halt” may tell us two things: (1) you have Fenn’s blessing to start out with WWW (the internet) and (2) to look for hot springs. Most of the hot springs in the American Rockies are in Colorado, close to Denver and Colorado Springs. Which brings us to home of Brown. The first interpretation might be a place where you can fish for brown trout (lots of you have suggested this). A second possibility is more obscure: the home of the late Charles Schultz, who created Charlie Brown, is in Colorado Springs. The poem tells us to travel below the home of Brown. If you google “Colorado Hot Springs” and write down all of the towns where they are located (there are seven), six are at higher elevations than Colorado Springs, but only one is lower: Glenwood Springs. At 5,761 feet, it is still above the magic 5,000 foot mark specified by Fenn. Finally, “blaze” may have two meanings. There was a famous, and terribly tragic, fire near Glenwood Springs in 1994 in which 14 firefighters were lost. It was known as the South Canyon Fire. Blaze may also refer to some type of mark on a tree. As you might expect, there are many creeks and waterfalls in this area.

    I have no idea how to narrow the search from here, but I would consider Glenwood Springs, CO, and the nearby Glenwood Canyon, as good places to start. Maybe some place like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaSFOwvsj0Y

    Liz

  63. This is one way the puzzle might be put together. It extends what I posted yesterday.

    The nine clues generate a treasure map with the following elements:

    1) A specific town

    2) A main road from that town

    3) A secondary path off the main road

    4) A final location

    5) A local site map to pinpoint the box

    The announcement that there are exactly nine clues may be important.

    We begin with “where warm waters halt.” This is a double clue; we are to look for a location with hot springs, and it gives us www. (halt=stop=period.) The latter suggests that the internet might be helpful, particularly early on.

    “Below the home of Brown” is the hardest clue. The idea that this might have to do with Charlie Brown came from Doc on the Tweleve website. Charles Schultz, the creator of Peanuts, lived in Colorado Springs. If you list the popular hot springs locations that are “not, far, but to far to walk” from Colorado Springs, it turns out that you have to walk “up” to all of them except one, Glenwood Springs, elevation 5,761 feet. “Brown” is probably another double clue as the final destination is a body of water containing trout.

    As suggested by others, “too far” is an early clue that you will need to cross at least one bridge at some point.

    For the first time we encounter what I suspect is Fenn’s primary puzzling technique: scattering components of a clue in the puzzle which have to be assembled. I am not totally comfortable with what I think is the first one:

    “canyon down” = small canyon = glen. Glen + wood = Glenwood. This is one reason why wood might be missing the S on the end.

    The next example works better. “The end is ever drawing nigh” seems pretty vague as a clue. It corresponds to Death. “Blaze” is a triple clue (Fenn gave this away in an interview) corresponding to (1) the famous fire near Glenwood Springs in 1994, (2) a mark on a tree, or (3) a mark on a horse’s face. Then we are given “creek” for free. Assemble and you get Dead Horse Creek (about 7 miles from Glenwood Springs), which is where you find Dead Horse Trail, which if followed up the steep canyon wall (crossing some bridges along the way) brings you to Hanging Lake. This, small but spectacular, body of water is indeed “water high.” There is also no way you would be paddling up this particular creek. Finally, if you buy Death = Hanging and just add “water,” you get Hanging Lake. From the various trail guides, I gather that the view of the canyon from here is quite a “marvel.”

    Once you get to Hanging Lake you will see a long dead tree trunk extending well across the water. Again, Dead + blaze/tree = dead tree. Perhaps there is even a mark on it. If you are brave, you can carefully walk out on the trunk without falling in. Eventually though, you will need to look quickly down, and probably take a quick dip in the cold water to fetch the box. It also might be “in the wood.” Swimming is forbidden in the lake, and this became a bigger local issue in 2010. My guess is that Fenn hid the trunk under the water/in the tree before it was considered to be a bad idea.

    The clues I used are contained in eight couplets. What is the ninth clue? One possibility: there are six stanzas in the poem. The main road leading from Glenwood Springs to the Dead Horse Trail is Route 6.

    Anyway, that’s my take:

    Glenwood Springs, CO

    Route 6

    Dead Horse Creek/Trail

    Hanging Lake

    Dead tree/quick dip.

    Best,

    Liz

  64. Why Charlie Brown and not Molly Brown (from Denver), as has been suggested by others? Consider the tenth clue, telling us that the box is hidden above 5,000 feet. At first glance, this isn’t very helpful in terms of identifying a particular location. I think the clue has a more subtle goal: to make the point that the elevation at which the box is hidden is important.

    Denver is below all of the local candidates for a popular hot springs spot. Colorado Springs, however, is at just the right elevation to flag just one: Glenwood Springs, which is also above 5,000 feet (but not by much). In other words, the elevation logic based on “below the home of Brown” only works if you choose the right Brown. (The capital B suggests it might be someone’s name).

    Some of the subsequent clues may have been red herrings to prevent too much focus on this one.

    Best,

    Liz

  65. Some additional thoughts.

    Regarding how the puzzle specifies the route between Glenwood Springs and the point near Hanging Lake where one starts climbing, it turns out that this stretch of road is part of US 70, US 6, as well as US 24. There are 6 stanzas and 24 lines in the poem, and if you want to really stretch it, about 70 words in the poem that are likely to be relevant to the solution.

    Regarding Charlie versus Molly Brown, it may be both. The word “marvel” brings to mind comics. More importantly, if you drive to Glenville Springs from Colorado Springs via Route 24, you pass through Leadville, Colorado, where Molly Brown grew up and where she met Mr. Brown. Leadville is less than 90 miles by car from Glenwood Springs, a distance that corresponds better to “not to far but too far to walk.” Now consider the line “Put in below the home of Brown.” The word “Put” seems somewhat awkward and forced. But notice that this line is the only one in the poem with two capital letters: PB, the symbol on the periodic table for lead.

    Liz

  66. I melt when I get to hot, and I crack if I freeze…..What am I? Dal, do you think Forrest will tell what kind of wax he used to seal the jar from moisture???? The melting point or freezing conditions could eliminate some search areas. Another thing to think about is the color of the chest you are searching for. Moisture (which Forrest seemed concerned about)over time will cause the chest to patina. The beautiful bronze chest may be a beautiful green. I enjoy your blog and wish all of the searchers good fortune. Have a great day!

    • Maggie-
      I think I know what he’d say..”What difference does it make?”…
      He would say that because he probably used what was handy…
      That would probably mean the same wax he uses to carve his bronze bell and jar originals. He has a lot of that at his home.

      dal…

    • Yes, Phillip, a creek is a creek. But an experienced fly fisher often calls whatever creek, stream or river that he/she is fishing, “the creek”. I believe it can work either way.

      Halogetter

  67. There may be a cheating way of finding the treasure…if you are an employee of the phone company Fenn uses or the local police. When a homicide has been committed and the body is missing the police get access to cell tower ping records in order to find out where a person has been. Draw a line between two cell phone towers on a particular day and “X” marks the spot! Chances are Mr. Fenn carried a cell phone when he drives on trips and if an approx. date was known when he hid the treasure it would not take long to find the spot. You need a court order to get the records, but lately cell phone companies have been giving them out more freely. It’s all part of our “Homeland Security”, loss of personal freedom, and the snooping Feds. This is just a thought I had and I don’t feel it should actually be followed-up by anyone. It would not be fair and I think anyone finding the treasure using cell phone towers should be disqualified.

  68. I am probably what Mr. Fenn and other would call an arm-chair treasure hunter/ Mr. Fenn says he dislikes them as they don’t get out to enjoy the outdoors.
    I do get outside and enjoy the outdoors but I cannot make it to where you are Mr. Fenn. I’m a 66 year old retired person in Connecticut and I took up a hobby of metal detecting, however I learned that one of the best ways to find lost treasures is to do research on-line first, and then go to the area. Unfortunately being retired and on a fixed-income, like many others in this search for your treasure, I cannot afford to travel all the way to New Mexico to try out my hunches. I do enjoy the countryside metal detecting close to home. How I wish that someone like a Mr. Fenn had left clues to a hidden treasure on the East Coast! I probably should have just skipped over the Forest Fenn treasure story but the poem intrigued me so much.
    If my hunches, also based some of the words/clues from Mr. Fenn’s poem, and his past experiences, helps you to locate the treasure PLEASE keep me in mind when you “take the chest and go in peace”.
    I too have many more dreams of finding hidden treasures closer to my home in Connecticut.
    I believe that Mr. Fenn’s hiding of his treasure is part spiritual (realizing his mortality) and part his reliving his memories. And
    he wants to share all of this with everyone, long after he is gone.
    He has mentioned that the treasure is 8.5 miles north of Santa Fe,
    New Mexico and I believe him. He also mentioned that the treasure is not “buried” (under ground?) but rather hidden. Also I read that that he did not have to travel very far from his car to hide the treasure. Also I believe that being an aviator and a decorated Vietnam Vet pilot has a lot to do with the placement of his treasure. I also feel that once an aviator, always an aviator and I would bet that after the war he would frequently fly his plane into the Angel Fire Airport and drive home (South) to Santa Fe, and back to the plane again. I also strongly believe that being a Vietnam Vet he has visited the Vietnam Veteran’s Memorial Chapel that is (half way between Angel Fire and Eagle Nest Lake) many times, while driving home, to pay respect to others that fought bravely and didn’t make it home. And I read that a very close friend that he encouraged to go on sculpturing , Glenna Goodacre (designed the Sacagawea Dollar!), made a life-size bronze statue dedicated to female Vietnam soldiers that is also in the Vietnam Veteran’s Memorial park, so I am sure Mr. Fenn has gone there either from Santa Fe or on his way home from the airport. Mr. Fenn was also going to put a $1,000 bill that Glenna gave him on anniversary of working together in the treasure box, but later decided not to. Another point to remember is that Angel Fire was named after the glow/blaze that showed up on the Aqua Fria Peak when the sun hits it. Indian tribes from all around would show up in the Spring and Fall and called it the “Fire of the Gods”. If you look at pictures of the Vietnam Veteran’s Memorial on-line you will see the mountain peaks. Also you will see trees planted around the park, along with colonial- style “wood” fences and fence posts, stone walls (would these be called “structures”, or just “heavy loads”?
    In many other treasure books there has been a common theme that sunlight will cast a shadow over a statue or monument at just the right time to point out the hiding place of the treasure. This makes it so a person has to wait for the sun to point the way. I believe that when the sun makes the top of Aqua Fria Peak glow on a certain day that one of the peaks on the Vietnam Veteran’s Memorial Chapel will point to the treasure. I noticed the Memorial on-line mentions a Kenneth Ray Brown from Las Croces who died in combat while in the Air Force. Did Mr. Fenn know him? If say the treasure is in a stone wall or under a bush, you only have to pick up one stone, grab the treasure and replace the stone. However, if you start running around dismantling stone walls, you are in big trouble!! Off to the Big House! The same goes with prowling around under the bushes, etc.! You have to be certain of the date, to have the treasure spot pointed out by the Memorial Chapel, and then do as the poem says, “Just take the chest and go in peace”.
    If I was Mr. Fenn I would want to hide the treasure in a place that
    would be significant in my life, and other people’s lives that I have known. Rather than just hiding the treasure in some unknown place, like off a hiking trail, or the water tower in Applegate’s treasure (showing my age!), why not hide it where it will have significance, even after I departed. That would make me smile when I left it there! A place that if the treasure was found after I was gone, news reporters would not only talk about me, but also talk about the American heroes of the Vietnam War, my comrades. This would be the legacy that I would want to leave.

    • Sure…he’s been writing his new book and has barely had time to answer email let alone come up with new clues. Second the Today Show has not scheduled another appearance. They originally said “monthly” but it’s been very sporadic. Not Forrest’s fault. This is NBC dragging their feet…not fulfilling their promise to their viewers. I say write them a note and let NBC know that you want to see Forrest on the Today Show.

  69. @David: I’m sorry you can’t come and enjoy the west, it is a spectacular place. You have a very popular solution……I believe the Vietnam Memorial area was one of the first places Dal and many others searched. I wonder how many times that helicopter there has been searched?

    For good reason…..the clues fit so well in this area. Lot of things named Moreno (brown) and Agua Fria there.

    There are two stories. It is said that Angel Fire is “named for the fiery afternoon light splashed on alpine peaks”. The other story or legend is that the Moache Utes used to gather to renew their ancestral ties with the Great Spirit. During one of these autumnal celebrations, during the 1780′s, the legend goes, three young braves, returned to camp from a hunting trip, and told of a strange glow at the tip of a peak called Agua Fria. The Utes were a little unsettled as the gazed at this mysterious splash of orange and red flickering in the northern sky. Then the awed silence was broken when one of the elders exclaimed, “it is an omen-the fire of the gods- blessing our annual celebration”. Ever since, whenever that rosy glow is seen, it is called “fire of the gods”. Because Franciscan friars were trying to spread their influence, Agua Fria became known as “the place of the fire of the angels. This is the story/legend of the way Angel Fire got its name.

    And when Fenn quoted T. S. Eliot the Enchanted Circle fit perfectly.

    We shall not cease from our exploration
    And at the end of all our exploring
    Will be to arrive where we started
    And know the place for the first time

    You should make your way out here, you may be the one who figures it out. Whether you find it or not it is an especially splendid time to be there; the fall air is crisp and the trees are ablaze.

  70. @German Guy:
    No I don’t live in New Mexico……

    I live in a different dimension; a dimension not of sight or sound but of insanity…..I live in California. (doing my famous Rod Serling impersonation).

  71. I’ll be heading to 300mi. west of Toledo in a week. Excited to check this out and to let my intuition be my guide. And if I have to, get a couple of willow sticks and do some serious “witcing” haha.

  72. Well, for one, Forrest said it would be covered with snow being at the 5000+ elevation. Second, he said to read “Journey of a trapper” by osbourne Russell for clues. Also, read “Flywater”. I figured our what the blaze is and what heavy load and water high means. Nigh is on the left side, and his rainbow and Capt Kidd comment fit right in. His memories are treasures of new and old, meaning they are when he was young and when he traveled there with his family on vacation recently. We are retiring in May, and headed to Forrest’s wwwhalt location. We will definately keep the location a secret if we find it, and probably lie saying it was on BLM land! Forrest will get his bracelet back, of course. Wish us luck. Read and THINK!

  73. Just returned from six-day exploration. My son and I “had it figured out.” Even though every clue fit, the treasure was not there (or we could not find it there).

    In my email to Forrest, he did not answer the question, “How will you know when it’s found?” I’m bothered by my conclusion that Forrest didn’t think of everything. He has said he thinks 97% of people looking for it couldn’t keep it a secret if they found it. I disagree. I know I would keep it a secret for tax and possible gov’t confiscation reasons. (As a courtesy to others, however, I would send him an unsigned post card or an email from a public email account telling him exactly where I found it.)

    PS I also don’t think that he considered the ramifications of leaving it on public land. (Most of “The West” is public land.)

    • he believe’s strongly that we are The People who own the land though(as we all should)…and so maybe he figures if it comes out…there will be a “fight” about who owns the land. That kind of goes along with him searching for arrowheads. Maybe he’s irritated with The People…not being able to just pick something up off the ground and in part is doing it for that reason…to start that conversation in a back door sort of way. He does mention BLM land.

      Hope you had fun on your search. I wish we could have summer right now!! I feel the need to go too far to walk.

  74. Been reading up on this treasure hunt since January off and on, but seriously for the past two weeks. I’ve yet to buy the books, but I did go down to the map store to buy bigger versions of the map in the new TFTW book. I found a .jpg image on the web of the map, and cut the larger maps I bought into joining sections to match. All together, the replication sections go from my floor to the ceiling, giving me all the cities, roads, rivers, etc. that can’t be seen on the map in the book. (they can’t be seen on google maps or google earth either unless you zoom in to one tiny little spot….and even then they’re not all listed.)

    I’ve yet to physically get out and hunt, although I’m planning for a trip in the summer of 2014. Most here seem to have more suitable theories and experience, as I have yet to search, but as far as I can tell, the locations “where warm waters halt” and the “house of Brown” are the only things I want to concern myself with because those are going to determine the starting point. While sophisticated research techniques and critical thinking exists, I seriously doubt that one can determine the location of the treasure from behind a book or computer screen. I believe that one can only determine the starting point, and once you are physically there, only then will the remaining clues make sense.

    And if it’s true that people have found the proper starting point, and have come within 500′, but were still unable to find it, then its only further proof that the clues must be seen first hand to properly interpret, and even then there’s no guarantee.

    Can’t really say much more that hasn’t be said already, other than to suggest that people truly THINK as advised by Forrest and fellow hunters. I have family here in the police department here in Dallas, who have access to sophisticated research software that uses a lot of databases and cross-references when doing geographical searches. I gave that .jpg map that I found to a detective, and told him to give me a list of every location associated with the keyword: Brown.

    One week later, his search retained over 1000+ related locations from Santa Fe to the northern border of Montana (the area covered in the map of the book). At least 50% being residences or places of businesses owned by someone named Brown. The rest being geographical, historical, or relevant in name only. So you can see how big the scope of this hunt truly is.

    I’ve yet to actually see the list since I haven’t had time to stop by and get it, but my plan is to systematically rule out places and names according to the recreated lifesize map that’s now on my wall. Then try to trace every potential “house of Brown” to a body of water, dam, reservoir, canyon, or spring that might potentially be a place where “warm waters halt”.

    I’ll keep everyone posted when I’ve had a chance to thoroughly examine the info I get on the list.

    Jason

  75. Good luck Jason.

    Everyone has an opinion. As we travel the chase those change too. Its an ever evolving theory. While you cant find the treasure from home you can do research to aid in your theories. So even those who for whatever reason, cant physically search are enriched. Everyone gets something from this.

    The poem appears to be multi-level , each step leading to another possibility. It requires we open our minds to new things and ideas. I wish you luck on your journey.

    deb

  76. I have two ideas, neither fully supported by the poem. I like to paddle so I’ll have a good trip whether or not the treasure is located. Not sure how I’d recognize the signs/blazes for when to look down and stop; I’m not a wise person. :) I wouldn’t know if I had it right until I get there!

    Idea 1: Somewhere around the Lower Sunshine Reservoir near Meeteetse, WY. That’s way downstream from the WOOD RIVER – BROWN MOUNTAIN CAMPGROUND PUT IN. Ride the river through Wood River Canyon; seems like it would be a nice paddle providing there’s been enough snow melt to feed the streams! It’s only rated Class II or Class III with high water so not too challenging unless you get caught in one of the many strainers. You don’t have to paddle to get there but why wouldn’t you?

    Idea 2: Somewhere near or in Hot Springs State Park in Thermopolis, WY, maybe near Monument Hill. Rainbow Terraces is on the other side of the river. While that doesn’t involve a paddle, there’s no reason not to. There are salt glaciers there. The normal glaciations (Wisconsin, Illinoisan, Kansan, Nebraskan) seem to have stopped well north of Wyoming; they came farther south in the Midwest. And even before Thermopolis, there is the Wedding of the Rivers – the Wind River becomes the Big Horn. Sounds like a nice place to visit!

    I need to start organizing my trip!

    Good luck to all the hunters!

    • I have been searching this area for awhile. Seems like the place. Not for the meek. Loaded with Bears and remote. Be prepared well and be safe.

      • I hadn’t thought of Brown and bears. I was only thinking Brown Mountain Campground and Brown trout. Thanks!

        I think Mr. Fenn has multiple layers to his clues and the more layers you can recognize the easier it is. Its just a matter of getting on Mr. Fenn’s wavelength rather than just thinking you have it.

        For example, I think that “no place for the meek” means there is a challenge and requires some courage/bravery but that it must mean it involves water since the meek inherit the earth. That doesn’t make it so, however.

        To me, “not far, but too far to walk” means that there is an obstacle preventing you from walking so you must travel by other means – swim, paddle? – but that it is a good distance. You could drive down Wood River Rd and through Wood River Canyon, for example, and still get there but at some point you’ll have to get in/through the water and I think that’s near the confluence of the Lower Sunshine Reservoir outflow and the Wood River, also near where Pitchfork Rd/290 crosses the river.

        “where warm water halts”, “cold”, “in the wood”, and “heavy loads and water high” just pointed me to Wood River since normal flow or even paddling it may rely on seasonal flow from snow melt.

        It sure seems like a great place to go even if there were no treasure! I live in Kentucky so I’m not going to get there soon. Even so, maybe I’ve written something that helps other hunters?

        • It does sound like a great place and I was looking in that area also at one time. I’d like to go there some day, even if my current solve takes me someplace different. For me the big clue is WWWH because if I don’t have the right one, and the other clues don’t follow precisely, I’ll never find it!

          Good Luck to you.

    • Remember, Forrest said in his interview with Holly, “The person who finds the treasure will be the one who solved the clues in my poem and walked to it”. His website at Old Santa Fe Trading Post also says “The chest is not in a dangerous place”.

  77. Also, for the Hot Springs State Park idea, there are train tracks on the left side of the river and Monument Hill is on the left, if your facing north.

  78. Here’s a more detailed interpretation I have of clues and modifiers. I also included the specific answers I chose. NOTE: After some reflection, I have changed my search location by a couple of miles from the confluence of the Lower Sunshine Reservoir outflow and the Wood River to farther upstream:

    As I have gone alone in there – Mr. Fenn went to the location alone and undetected. In there may mean an enclosure with physical boundaries (a cave?) or arbitrary boundaries (a designated forest or a municipality). Don’t know which kind or if multiple interpretations could apply.

    And with my treasures bold, – this really concerns me since bold has an older definition of being a decoy. But bold may not be modifying treasure; rather it modifies my/Mr. Fenn and in which case it is boldness, certain, resolute.

    Begin it where warm waters halt – I’m stuck on water ways where seasonal flow causes water to pond or pool. Cold, snow melt will flow. During low or no flow, when the water pools or puddles it will be warm. Instructions – find a seasonal waterway. My Answer – North Fork (?) Wood River in Wyoming.

    And take it in the canyon down, – look for a canyon to travel through. Instructions – go through a canyon. Answer – Wood River Canyon. NOTES: You can drive or paddle at this point.

    Not far, but too far to walk. – ambiguous distance but with an obstacle that forces a change in travel. I think swimming or paddling or even driving but it may be more ambiguous like wading or climbing/descending. Since I’m with the waterways, I think of paddling.

    Put in below the home of Brown. – I’m stuck on proper nouns/names so I found a place with Brown in its title. Instructions – find a Brown house/home. Answer – Brown Mountain Campground. NOTES: There may be a Brown something else along the area. A little downstream below the confluence of North Fork (?) and South Fork Wood River, after you get out of Wood River Canyon, there is a little creek called Brown Creek. Put in suggests to start paddling a boat in this area. Something I thought was funny about this area, there are plenty of Forest Roads. Not sure about public access to the river in this area.

    From there it’s no place for the meek, – this may require some bravery, figuratively or literally. The chest is supposedly in a safe place but that must be a relative term. I also think that water is involved since the meek inherit the earth. Instructions – be brave?, get or stay in the water. Answer – go swimming, paddling, etc. NOTES: Wood River is a Class II waterway. There are numerous logjams (strainers) to get caught in. Be careful! Downstream from Brown Creek, there is a Quaking Aspen Creek. Pass this since the Aspens are afraid? I think pass this place since the next line says:

    The end is ever drawing nigh; – getting warmer? The end? Of the river? The Wood River will be turning into the Greybull in a couple of miles. Of the quest? This is where being on site rather than arm chairing it is really handy. Instructions – get ready to stop. Answer – Huh? NOTES: I’ve seen people interpret nigh as being on the left. There’s a lot of space to look at on the left or right.

    There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
    Just heavy loads and water high. – You’ll come to a creek. You will either not be able to paddle up it or you shouldn’t paddle up it. Or you will encounter an obstacle that will challenge you. Answer – there is a diversion dam on the river. Arm chairing is still working? NOTES: Not sure if this can be ridden out or if you’re supposed to portage. Maybe signage will provide instructions? Hey, ain’t I looking for a blaze?

    If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, – not sure what constitutes wisdom. I’m well educated but not smart. Successful interpretation of clues? Maybe a little perspicacity would be helpful? Instructions – look for and see a “sign.” Answer: . . . uuuuuhhhhhh . . . NOTES: maybe references to Athena, owls, instructions for getting around the dam rather than trying to shoot it (which may be wise).

    Look quickly down, your quest to cease, – seems self explanatory. Instructions – look down (from the blaze?) (the face of the dam?) to realize you’ve come to the end. Answer: ?

    But tarry scant with marvel gaze, – don’t gawp too long or you’ll have a devil of a time coming back. Instructions: hurry up! Answer: ?

    Just take the chest and go in peace. – presuming you’ve found it, you can take it and put your mind at ease, for now. Worry about taxes, etc., if applicable, later. NOTES: I’m concerned with the level of effort taking the chest entails. If it is in or near a waterway that may have flooded, the chest may be buried in debris or silt. How to get it then?

    I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak. – Mr. Fenn drove there but he doesn’t want to lug the treasure around again.

    Your effort will be worth the cold.
    If you are brave and in the wood – you’re journey will be a challenge but not so bad an 80 year old couldn’t do it. You will have to get in the right mindset since you’re going to experience a different level of comfort than you may be used to. Instructions: Be Prepared! Answer: You’re going to have to be in the snow melt fed Wood River at some point so buck up and let the riches in the chest warm your soul.

    That’s my armchair interpretation. Apparently, others have been in the area so check carefully since the chest seems easy to overlook.

    Obviously I value my interpretation very little. Most of that is because I live in Kentucky and don’t think I’ll get there any time soon. When I do get there, my intent is to enjoy the scenery first and, if it hasn’t been found, look for the treasure second.

    Besides, I’m still exploring Red River Gorge for “secrets”. Someone find the chest (hopefully near the dam) and let us all know!

  79. Dal Just a thought the poem states If you are brave and in the wood. My thought is it would say in the woods if he meant the Forrest I think he meant trees that fell into a river and block some of the water down stream. You would be cold standing in the river looking under the dead fall.. Just a thought

    • Curious-
      Yes- a lot of people have considered that. But he’s not broke and this hunt costs him time and money. It does not make any money for him. Hard as that is for the greedy to comprehend. This treasure hunt is a gift from Forrest not a for profit venture.

      dal-

    • This is similar to Obama and his birth certificate.

      Yes this could be a hoax. If Forrest were to show records that he had purchased the amount of double eagles he says are in the chest that may ease the anxiety.

      Then again, the government might have already looked into that and found no records that Forrest ever “acquired” the items he claims are in the chest. Could be one of the reasons the FBI got involved and the whole business about grave robbing was just smoke and mirrors.

      Don’t know. Just go on faith. But at the very least you should just have fun with it.

  80. So the poem has 9 clues. When the clues are uncovered, they will lead to the exact spot of the chest.

    Each clue (including the 1st stanza, which confirms the solution) are in themselves a part of a map. They give exact directions to the chest.

    The ‘blaze’ is and always was Forrest. You just had to think ‘trail blazer’ and you would have seen that.

    In solving the poem, you had to think and act like Forrest would have. That means applying his background and history to your individual solutions. If it wasn’t related to Fenn, forget it.

    When you solve the 5th stanza, it will knock your shoes of. What a genius Fenn is! It is definitely necessary to solve the previous stanzas in order to understand this particular stanza. So, no jumping around. Is there enough background on Forrest to solve the poem? Yes, definitely, you just need to go find it, and understand how it was used in the poem.

    I will share this with you, Forrest made numerous trips to Pompeii. Eventually he was kicked out. He was searching for artifacts.

    • German-
      Hmmm…what makes you so sure of yourself when you have not even found it? Seems to me you were absolutely certain you knew where it was once before…only it wasn’t there…
      Hear we go again with the rest of us being either blind or stupid not to figure it out..
      I really dislike folks being so rude and indignant as to suppose they know where it is when they have not proved it and lord it over the rest of us for not being smart enough to do the same figuring they have…irk..irk…irk!!

          • You seem to be saying that you have solved the 5th stanza, then you go on saying that it is definitely necessary to solve the previous stanza(which is stanza #4) in order to understand the 5th stanza, which you claim to understand. What an oxymoron statement. If you solved the 4th stanza, you would know where this TC is located. If so, why don’t you have it already? If you do have it then I apologize. Do you have it?

      • germanguy – wrong

        Dal / ritt – One doesn’t not have to “prove it” by showing evidence of the treasure. It is entirely up to the finder what they want to do with it. They could choose not to show proof for legal and financial reasons.

        At the same time they know where Forrest’s secret spot is. And they could come on here to help others out in solving the poem so that they too can find Forrest’s secret. With all the time and money people have invested in this chance wouldn’t you think they would at least want to go to the spot that the treasure and Forrest once stood.

        Just my opinion.

    • Germanguy, I like parts of what you’re saying. (IMO) It is unique what Forrest considers to be R&R. Definitely a good ol’ boy. But if the clues are in consecutive order, then the first clue would be the first step. Like what Dal said – the clues move you towards the chest (paraphrased). And I thought I read one of your posts where you retired? Glad you didn’t! :)

      • JohnR

        If you are saying the first clue is in stanza 1, it does contain a clue, but it is the last clue for the search. Once the poem is solved, it (1st stanza) makes sense. As Fenn said in the poem, ‘Begin it where warm waters halt’.

        To keep the peace, I’ll say this is my opinion. :)

    • I find this concerning…….what’s going on?

      Geeze, Germanguy what’s up with this comment? Every year we have several arrogant newbie’s that know where it’s at…….and everyone else is a dummy. The Wolf, another seasoned searcher has pulled the same stunt. What’s going on with you guys? You both know better than this.

      I think newbie’s misunderestimate Fenn’s statement on “moving with confidence”. They drum up false confidence to bolster their ego for some reason. I’m surprised you seasoned searchers are making statements like that.

      Maybe I’m just a business guy but confidence to me means how much I am willing to bet I’m right. If you wrote and told me you deciphered the poem and the chest is absolutely, without any doubt, on a central coast beach in California…….I would say cool…..lets go look. After we can’t find it I would buy the beer and fish & chips and we could drown our sorrows. But that search didn’t cost me anything and I like walking on the beach anyway.

      If you guys know where it’s at put your money where your mouths is and go get it. No excuses.

      • Goofy,
        I am sorry I offended you or anyone on this blog. I have a lot of respect for Dal and his blog and the rules he set out.

        I honestly do not remember saying anything on this blog but I remember someone misinterpreted what I said on another site and brought it onto this blog. I corrected him but it didn’t sit well.

        The Wolf

        • Wolf I apologize if I misinterpreted what you said.

          You wrote here: I too took a break (then returned) and I am still retired from physically searching. Have the (oops I mean “a” – don’t want to get people too excited – lol) solution but don’t know if I should pull the trigger.

          I recently discovered the dark side of revealing the discovery to the world and it was ugly.

          I took this to mean you know where it is but for some reason can’t go get it. And there is apparently some reason you can’t express your opinion. There are lots of people that express where they think it is in their opinion.

          • Yes Goofy that was a running comment that had some history on the other site. I was taking a jab and attempting humour at the same time, but that was not appropriate.

    • germanguy, did you go get it yet? Is it the kind of solve that leaves absolutely no doubt, or are there interpretations of the clues that could possibly be in error? Are you in Germany?

      • MichaelD

        I’m upsetting people, so I must stop commenting about this subject. You can reach me at trailblazer1946 at gmail dot com if you wish. I must respect Dal’s and Goofy’s blog.

        • Germanguy, this is Dal’s blog…..Period. I’m just the mechanic. A fancy website is nothing without content. And all the content here is Dal’s. He is what makes this site what it is……..mechanics like me are a dime a dozen (well maybe a little more than that).

          I say this out of concern, but it sounds like we are having a relapse and going down the same road we did before……..I certainly hope not. If you want to spill everything you know—in your opinion—that is fine; and if this solution is like your other solutions, which you felt were correct beyond doubt, it will be interesting if nothing else. Without the chest in your hand your solution is no more or less viable than anyone else’s.

  81. I’m going to step outside the box for a minute… please be gentle with your comments. TY. Let’s just say the poem has meaning “to where “it” is” and I don’t doubt that, (Perhaps later when you “think” you know where the treasure lies or the subject to which you think “it” is). For example, it could be about an “object”, latitude, longitude, radar, etc. I believe it’s all of that, then I use the poem to help guide me in my journey. I don’t know where the treasure is but by using “an object”, I seem to be getting better results. My first thought, it was about the human body, (which I did giggle a bit), my result was my heart. So I started looking for anything on Google Earth for a heart or heart-shape lake, river, just anything. My next adventure was my sink in the kitchen. It took me about 2 months to try and figure out a word I used to know, where warm waters halt, (that was my confluence), that word drove me so crazy I had to go on a plumbers web site to find it. Some of it makes sense, or I’m just a little too imaginative or silly. Just a thought, hope this opens your imagination. I try it every day. This is just my method, try applying “it” to the poem and maybe it will work. Good Luck….

  82. #1. As I have gone alone in there
    #2. Begin it where warm waters halt,
    And take it in the canyon down.
    #3. Not far, but too far to walk.
    #4. Put in below the home of Brown.
    #5. From there it’s no place for the meek,
    The end is ever drawing nigh;
    #6. There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
    Just heavy loads and water high.
    #7. If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
    Look quickly down your quest to cease.
    #8. So hear me all and listen good,
    your effort will be worth the cold
    #9. If you are brave and in the wood,
    I give you title to the gold.

  83. Poem says there’ll be no paddle up your creek. Why are people searching rivers, lakes, and streams there is a big difference.

      • Hi Michael and Amy, Lois and everyone. Good thoughts on this. My thought on the creek is the water may be Shallow. Or A Dry creek bed, which I just Love! Except we have to have Water high, So maybe a lake, or glacier lake, could be Donna. Hundreds of places like this. We have to have warm water too. So Well we have to focus on the KEY word here. BROWN. Than it can all tie together. Thanks for all of your imput. Chasers!
        My you all Chase and not BE CHASED! :)

  84. So I emailed germanguy, and about 30 minutes later I get an email in my junk folder saying I need to appear in court in Little Rock, on April 14th. There is an attached ZIP file that says its the copy of the court order to appear…..And it is from Clerk of court ….I find this extremely coincidental…I want to open that zip file…but I know exe. files are sent that way. goofy..is there a way to open it safely? Germanguy, tell me I am wrong about you…

  85. I had an exciting search up a dry creek bed off the Rio Grand day before yesterday. About 500′ above the river there is a stand alone pine tree. It’s about 3-4′ in circumference and very old, The tree stands about 10′ above the dry streambed and is uniquely a lone sentry. on the backside (uphill) three are hatchet blaze marks. The tree roots actually grow over the rocks (like a starfish on a rock). On the backside there is a gap between root and rock that easily accommodates the dimension of the chest. I dug…. NO LUCK. I dreamt about that spot and told my wife all about it. When back again yesterday wiith my metal detector so I could put this thing to rest. No gold signal anywhere. But I did discover a small scratch on the rock guarding the space along with the tree root, it depicted a circle with a line through it and FF. I had not found this faint scratch the day before. LOL. This was such a great spot I felt like doing the John Huston jig right there.LOL. I thought I should call ff up and tell him to rehide the treasure here, it’s so good. LOL. I will post the story with pics when I’ve exhausted my search possibilities for the area. Spring is in the Air Santa Fe.

  86. Correction; that’s Walter Huston (Treasure of Sierra Madre). two wonderful days alone in the beautiful wilderness. Thanks Forest!

  87. Thought for the weekend…

    How can one ‘secret’ something that’s hard to find now but in a 1000 years it could reveal itself?? Something that also fits into the poem?

    What if Forrest hid the chest in a pile of wood / lumber / logs?

    In 1000 years they will decompose, revealing the chest so a hiker can “come by it” without having to search.

    This will also satisfy the clue that it isn’t IN A TREE, but SURROUNDED by it.

  88. I agree with you Amy. I don’t talk about my solves, or clues much on here. I too think its more simple than some are making it out to be. And Dj, I think that its “Underwood” and in 1000 years it will be under dirt. Maybe.
    Well I am going to go pick up my handicapped twin sister to celebrate our birthday. Home for 5 days. I pray and hope I can find the treasure this spring so I can use the treasure to give her a better life and help her with all her medical problems. Poor girl, life has taken its toll on her. I am thankful that I have my health and I can walk….mountains, streams, canyons and deserts! When we were kids our father taught us to fish. I would like to have time to do this with her again sometime. Seems like life has passed us by……at high speed….Where did the time go? Life is Short…..Make it Count! :) God Bless…..

  89. Hey people, I have had sort of an AHA moment, or perhaps its just wishful thinking. I have heard this Idea on here before, but never really considered it until I sat straight up in bed last night and had to write my complete solve down…I think I can safely reveal this Idea without giving my solve away…I hope. I believe Brown and the blaze are one in the same….and I believe the chest is what was “put in” below the home of Brown. This is why if you have been wise and found the blaze (home of Brown) you look quickly down, because the chest was put in below (down) from the home of Brown…AKA the blaze…What do you guys think about this possibility?

    • Interesting, the only clear problem I see is Forrest said follow the clues in order. Your logic has you jumping from canyon down to no place for the meek back up to home of the brown

      • I hear you, but without explaining the meek clue I cannot defend my position, other than to say there’s a little more to it besides just being below the home of Brown, and that the 4th stanza in my solve is kind of a “you just figured it out dummy, now go get it” statement.

    • @michael……that’s interesting. There are some that think WWWH is the blaze. This is because of Fenn’s quote over at Mysterious Writings by Jenny Kile.

      Question from Jenny: From receiving feedback on hunter’s ideas and methods about how to discover the location of the chest, do you feel confident your method in hiding the chest will eventually be understood and the chest be found? Please know, I am not asking for any specifics. My question is more like, do you still feel your poem will lead someone to the treasure?

      Fenn’s Answer: The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with confidence. Nothing about it will be accidental. T. S. Eliot said:

      We shall not cease from our exploration
      And at the end of all our exploring
      Will be to arrive where we started
      And know the place for the first time

      http://mysteriouswritings.com/six-questions-with-forrest-fenn-author-of-the-thrill-of-the-chase/

      • in my most recent interpretation, the round trip from vehicle to chest and back is under 5 miles….I’m waiting for germanguy to convince me I am mistaken before I make the trip.

        • I think Germanguy has already said he believes Mr. Fenn is the blaze, so has he been sitting on it this whole time?

          I guess “no place for the meek” fits because I sure as heck ain’t reaching down there to get it.

          jdh

        • You need to find a way to get to the spot that is WAY LESS than 5 miles. IMO, I will Guarantee you FF did not walk 5 miles TWO times carrying 22# each time. Not saying your spot is wrong, just that find a shorter route to it….. well maybe I am saying its wrong…

          • I am in total agreement with you musstag. That’s an awful long trip for an 80 year old man to walk carrying that weight. If I’m reading that right, that would be close to 20 miles total since he took 2 trips. Doesn’t seem likely.

          • Agreed. Its in a location he can (almost) see from his car (parking spot). Say it is located in a semi-popular place. He can wait in his car until the time is right.

            I wouldn’t be surprised if he did the whole ordeal in under 15 minutes.

          • Not far, but too far to walk is very deceiving.

            It could mean if you leave your car and you’re hiking around for 30 minutes you are doing it wrong.

            Some suggest that it means you have to keep driving or cross over a river. I believe it means don’t go down any trails. Don’t go for a hike.

            It’s not too far to walk. Forrest did it twice. But if you are going for a stroll/hike/walk (like walking your dog) then you are going too far.

  90. Michael D…make the trip! You will never forgive yourself if you don’t. Have confidence in youself that your solve is correct! It sounds pretty darn solid to me. Everyones logic is different, and how they interpret logic is different. Just go for it! Believe!

  91. So – been following this since the Today show. Haven’t got the time to go out, but wanted to share some of my ideas.

    Has anyone searched the area of Ouray, CO? There is the “Million Dollar Highway” along with a Brown Mountain and Red Mountain. Also, some falls and a Cement Creek….

    Just some thoughts I’ve had…

    • Brian-
      Yes…I have spent time looking there and I know some searchers who live near there that have spent a good amount of time searching that area the past three summers.

  92. And for the record, I WILL need a flashlight and a change of clothes in order to find the chest, and perhaps a nice thick pimento cheese sandwich…if I am correct that is…Man, my heart is thumping so hard right now!!! If this latest solve is correct, it puts me within 500 feet of the chest for sure…perhaps even closer…I will still have to find it when I get there, but it narrows it down to the correct canyon, direction, distance, and type of hidey spot, greatly increasing my chances…I have to wait until June?!?! I may be getting “sick” for a while at work….

    • Michael D
      I think you have a good grip on what the clues are.They match well with the way I have them figured.IMO home of Brown and the blaze are to far apart in the poem to be the same thing.

  93. DAL WAY TO GO….. SHUT THOSE RULE BREAKERS DOWN….HOW HARD IS IT TO PUT IMO BEFORE A STATEMENT….EXAMPLE IMO I know what the blaze is WORKS. I know what the blaze is DON”T FLY HERE.

  94. THE BLAZE TO ALL IS A MAZE AS WELL TO ALL OR IS IT TO BE ! MAYBE A THE ROPE ! THING’ AT A TASK TO SEE ! A BLAZE!
    THIS MAY BE A RAK OF WOOD TO BE BRAVE’ NOR FIND THE HOME HMM
    BROWN WHAT IS BROWN? THIS IS A TWIST TO A LIME TO A OLIVE ASKED
    ON A TRAIL AT ONCE UPON A GO. READ THE BOOK UNTILL A DREAM AND THE POEM FORREST WROTE

  95. I see what Michael D is saying. HOB is a specific area where the blaze is located. The 3rd stanza gets you in the correct position to find it and 4th stanza is finding the blaze and treasure
    below. Yeah…I get it! And he may too! Dang! Good luck, Michael. Don’t let anyones opinion sway your hunt! At least you are thinking! ¥PEACE¥

  96. Michael D is getting close.

    HOB is not anything organic.

    Take what Forrest said to a interviewer. The lady asked if Forrest would say that HOB meant. Forrest said if he did that she would walk right up to the treasure.

    If HOB was Brown Trout or whatever this wouldn’t be the case. If Forrest said, “It’s the home of brown trout.” Then which home? You couldn’t just walk right up to it due to so many locations.

    HOB is very specific. Solve it and you solve the poem.

    But could HOB and the blaze be one and the same………….possible

    • That interview, in particular that answer he gave to her question, has always stuck with me. So I agree, HOB is a very specific location….not an area home to an animal (IMO). His answer could be interpreted that the chest is extremely close to HOB.

      For my solve, my search area is approx. half a mile from HOB. So, due to that quote, I often wonder if I should check out the immediate area around the HOB.

    • I agree that the home of Brown is probably nothing organic, but a very specific place, in much the same way where warm waters halt is most likely an exact spot.

      Although, I would tend to disagree that if you solve the home of Brown, you solve the remainder of the poem. To me, I think if one really understand’s what the home of Brown is and how it’s being used, then one will probably understand how to proceed in solving the poem. But, in my opinion, thinking the entire solution revolves around a single element probably underestimates the poem’s complexity.

      • Correct. IMO, HOB is not the last clue. Therefore, if you solve HOB, you do not solve the entire poem, and you certainly won’t necessarily find the chest even if you have the correct HOB. If you have the correct HOB, it simply gets you close.

  97. IMO Two trips could be traveling just a few feet. Like when I go grocery shopping and when I get back home , I have to make two trips to the car to get all my groceries.

  98. IMO the answer to wwwh is one word. Place that word in front of the word canyon to find the correct location. Then decide if down is south or actually down.
    nfbtftw is going to put you near the hoB. Now is where you begin searching for the hoB and below it is the place that isn’t for the meek…which involves getting wet, but not boating. When you have found the blaze (AKA hoB) and look down, you will find the place that isn’t for the meek, go “in there” bravely, remove the wood, and take the chest. That’s as much as I am willing to share about it…good luck to all!!

    • Hey, F also said a couple of peep got the first 2 clues right and went past the others, not realizing the significance of where they were at…at HOB. IMO, I think all the rest -7, clues are one right after another at HOB, describing the loc of the treasure there. Just like the kids walking one after another on the rope. Stringing a ball or ball of twine is an adjective of clue! Once at HOB, I bet you are as close as a football field to the rest of clues and treasure. My spot fits it too, Michael D! Wow! Maybe we will bump into each other. So far Dal has skipped over my spot…so far!¥Peace¥

      • Donna, my interpretation of the clues do not lead me to believe the trove is within a football field of HOB. I also do not believe HOB is as important as most think – but I do concede that if someone was given the actual HOB that is would be fairly easy but not obvious from there.

  99. Donna
    I am in awe that someone ( You ) finally has referenced “Teachers With Ropes” and the children walking in single file holding on like a centipede.
    I am fairly confident that the “Home of Brown” is a brown house. In researcing the Homes owned by the Brown’s you will find the list goes on and on . My solve has placed me 5 times near this “brown house”and it is not owned by the Brown family. It places you within 500 feet as Forrest has mentioned that perhaps many have been of the Treasure. It is evident that the treasure will not be found by accident and one literally must walk on track to stumble upon or beside the chest ( with no snow or ice present and spring run off reduced ). An 80 year old man could do this walk and if I am correct it is near at least one of Forrest’s most beloved special places with no fish and instead a family of black birds flying all around. HOB is important, and putting in below it is the correct longitude even if you do not have the coordinates. I believe one does not need the coordinates when following the Poem’s phrases ( if you have the correct HOB but it is a needle in a haystack in deciphering such). Honestly the coordinates so cleverly hidden in The thrill of The chase are still quite important. I would not be near this special place with out them. The landmarks fit quite nicely with the “The Thrill Of The Chase” and Mr. Fenn’s subtle clues. I was hoping to help a little right or wrong, but I love this one if you so choose,
    “The image of George Washington on the portrait is facing right but on the bill he is facing left” hmm’ .
    Good Luck Donna!

  100. I am so happy that We are all talking about the clues here on Dals Blog. Dal is doing a great job keeping us on topic. At times we seem to have had problems getting along. But we all come around and apologize to eachother and get back with the clues and the Chase. I was looking at some other blog and seems like they are all talking about everything but the Chase and the clues. Thanks Dal! And everyone for being true real treasure hunters! See you on the Path!:) And Plus its so nice to have Forrest here! And Renelle and other wonderful souls.

    Lou Lee Belle, Chased by Brown Bears in Jellystone Park

  101. I realize that the location that the chest is hidden is very special to Forrest. One can only speculate why it is special to him.

    Do most searchers feel that the WWWH and HOB are also very special to Forrest? Or could they just simply be used as the directions to get you to his special location….without having any special meaning to him.

    Does the entire route, from WWWH to the HOB, and on to the Blaze hold special meaning to Forrest? Or is it just that one spot, where he hide the treasure, that is so special to him? I usually lean toward the latter.

    • UP-
      Your last question made me think. I never considered it before. I have always thought of the clues as simple directions with only the final location being “special” to Forrest. But now that I think about it, I think my latest solution would mean the entire route is “special” to Forrest…based on what we think we know of his life. I can’t say the same for more than two of my previous solutions.

      It’s all supposition though. I don’t know for certain what places would be “special” to Forrest. Maybe where he proposed to Peggy. Maybe at a place that Forrest and Eric intended to build a covered bridge. Maybe near a place where Forrest and Donnie made some sort of pact…and we don’t know much about those things..and other than what he has written in his books there is very little evidence of “routes” or “journeys” that are special to Forrest…

      Forrest is a self acknowledged “romantic” so I suppose he might hold many places close to his heart and call them “special”…but the route getting to that place…maybe not so much.

      • Dal-
        You’re right, it is all just speculation as to why we think certain locations could be special to Forrest. It could literally be anything, which means it could literally be anywhere. All we can do is follow the clues and speculate.
        But I often catch myself thinking…”is my HOB special enough” “Does it need to be special?” I have no idea! The route could still be special, without WWWH and HOB being special.
        All we know is the chest is in a special place to Forrest. Who knows, it might not “look” all that special to me, but to Forrest, and what he experienced at that location is what makes it special to him. If I would find the chest, I know it would then me special to me as well!

    • I think they are important to him as a fisherman and outdoorsman, but the path is not special like the spot. I think he has been all over the entire area but his one spot is the most dear. I would love to know why. Maybe he found something neat there that’s in his collection now.
      In my current interpretation, hoB is a very large area and the box is within that home.

      • I like to believe that he did find something there, and now he is returning it, in the chest, along with the rest of the treasure. Fits nicely with “And hint of riches new and old.” OLD being the artifact he is returning where he found it, NEW being the rest of the treasure, that has never laid at that location before. His way of paying back to that spot. He could have found something special there, and he has never forgotten the thrill it gave him.

  102. special is a very subjective term

    imo, the place is special to Forrest because no one knows he went there

    he felt it was the perfect spot to build the clues around, and it happened to be a place not known in his history so he hid the treasure there. that in and of itself is enough to make it special.

    when he said in flywater that he went on separate vacations from his wife and spent time with his dad, he may have gone to this place with him. now that his dad has passed on, no one knows he went there, not even his wife.

    2 people can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

    i decided from the outset i wouldn’t get hung up on some kind of special geographical appearance. I’m not one to say to myself when im searching, does this look like a special place, like i would be expecting heavenly magnificence on earth .

    not to say the place won’t be beautiful. this is the rocky mountains and Forrest ventured there with treasure, the place is going to have its beauty, kind of hard for that not to be the case.

    there really is no indication from Forrest on the specific geography when he is saying it is special. i think it best not to take it that way.

    another consideration is the story told when he finally visits the ‘magical’ place in person in MWFM …

    ” When we landed, the geography looked much different from what I expected and from what I had seen from a mile up. The small clearing was now about 300 feet across, and belly-high grass made walking difficult. It was impersonal and disappointing. I was embarrassed and felt foolish for making such a big deal out of something that now seemed whimsical”

    because Forrest said he “knew exactly where to hide the chest” and that an architect wrote the poem, i would say the most over arching theme that makes the place special is because it is where the clues in the poem lead to, imo

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