722 thoughts on “THE NINE CLUES….Part Two

  1. So I wanted to throw something out there for discussion. It’s been said that “you don’t need a map to find the treasure”, and “you will be surprised to find out where it is hidden”. These statements have been attributed to FF but please correct me if they are improperly stated.

    Most people are spending time pouring over maps trying to relate the clues to geographical features. While this seems to make sense (and I’m guilty of the same behavior) if you really don’t need a map then the riddle is truly self contained. In other words, anyone can construct a scenario where some random hot spring seems to “halt” by looking at maps, but if he’s truly saying that a map is not at all essential to solving the riddle then perhaps a different approach is necessary.

    The “you will be surprised” statement supports this. I think most of us would be surprised if its not in Yellowstone, Bandelier, or (enter your own favorite spot here). I’m suggesting that maybe we should throw the topos away and tackle it from a different angle. Lateral thinking. Maybe geography isn’t as important as we think?

    It has also been said that “your kid could walk up and get it”, yet some of the language suggests bravery and boldness are required, as well as lack of meekness, to reach it. Couple this with another statement that “no one is libel to just stumble over it”. So where can a kid “physically” go that most people don’t go, or don’t want to go or would even intentionally avoid. Sounds a bit ominous doesn’t it?

    Any thoughts?

    • I am of the opinion that nine is symbolic of the physical plus so don’t throw your maps away completely. Those canyons have several layers and no not exactly 9.

      • Thousands of people agree on what the clues are, but go off in a thousand different directions.

    • Mother nature has the answer to all the clues. Mans contribution was just giving them a name.

      • You don’t need a map if you go out for a Sunday drive, take a road down a canyon, stop if you see the home of the Brown, hike up any nearby streams, and search for the chest. Though, you might need a map to find your way home.

    • I believe he is referring to gold, so the elements are not at play here. I have found locations that stand about 200ft apart that include old forest fire reminisce, so called trees and warm water. I am to old and hand-i-caped, and just to darn far away, but I believe I have the co ordinances that I am willing to share if whoever is willing to share with me. Oh yes, all three co ordinances are above 7,511 ft.

      My email no. is gilgarcia40@gmail.com

      I hope I don’t live to regret this!

      • Gil,
        I read your spot description (not intending to follow up tho so no worries) but I don’t get how Henry Brown from Lincoln county gets related to an area just outside Santa Fe. I’m familiar with the Lincoln county wars but that all takes place well south and east of SF. It is interesting to note that there were two factions and one was known as “the House” but it seems coincidental because of the geography. How do you connect that to reservoirs up north?

      • it would track if what we thought the ‘home of brown’ was Santa Fe, you ‘put in’ there and go south but then wind up north of there ‘in the wood’ due to having driven down the canyon to go ‘up the creek’ on another rd. with ‘no paddle’.like 550 at Bernallilo to get to Colorado.

      • and we don’t really know what ‘not too far but too far to walk’ , really is defined in FF’s terms.
        Due to the fact that people as well traveled as he, would not bother to think that a full day’s drive some 250-300 miles or more could not really be that far! lol

    • Colokid – you’re thinking intrigues me and tracks with mine. The couple places that I have found via map searching don’t leave me with a definitive aha, and intellectually, I really want that. I’m curious about where you heard/read that “you don’t need a map to find the treasure”, and “you will be surprised to find out where it is hidden”. I developed an alternative approach to this a few weeks ago, but haven’t gotten a lot of traction and abandoned it because I read something else which suggested my approach was not viable. But maybe it is? I’m assuming you’re in Colorado – me also.

    • Colokid, I think you have to look @ it in lateral way. Kind of fairy tale. Holy molely, may need to monk around with it that way.

  2. I have been trying to adjust my line of thought to that as well, although it is so instinctive to try to look at the maps when looking for treasure. We actually sat at work today discussing this, and left the computer and maps alone, talking about the possible meanings of where warm waters halt, slow day at work, and still didn’t get any farther. The new clue today didn’t even bother any of our thinking, we had already discussed man constructed objects and (back to the maps) had crossed off places where physical man made stuff were the reasoning that the particular place work. I highly recommend this. Its amazing how much search area we have eliminated in by doing this.

    • To get fresh ideas, (much to my wife’s embarrassment) I walk around with a copy of the poem in my pocket and when I see someone standing around idly I walk up to them, show them the poem, and ask what their first impressions are after reading it…… Surprisingly some of them come up with the same ideas many have here. Some of the answers are very strange, and I’ve actually got some new ideas on areas to search.

      Last night the wife and I went over to the coast for some seafood and while sitting there an older gentleman (even older than me) came over to our table and ask if I was the guy with the poem, I said, “that depends on if you are with the department of mental health or not”, he laughed and said “I knew it was you”…..We started discussing his idea; after a few minutes my wife went over to his table and told his wife she mine as well come over and join us, the guys are talking about treasure. It ended up being a fun dinner with some nice people.

      I hit up an artist on the beach last week……and had a very interesting talk with her….but that is another story.

      I haven’t got any new places to search yet…….but I have some new ideas and lots of new friends.

      • Best way to make friends, EVER! Anyone willing to talk to me about treasure hunting, no questions asked, is a worthy pal!

      • @Bonnie,
        I’m usually not very outgoing especially with strangers, but I really wanted to get some fresh opinions so I just walked up and started talking like I had good sense. I’ve talked to all sorts of people young and old, even a couple skate boarders with weird hair, and much to my surprise not once has anyone told me to get lost. It seems everyone is fascinated with treasure hunting……

        Interestingly, I’ve found if I have my camera or my dog (or both) with me people are instantly willing to talk to me. One day I had one of my big white lenses on my camera and I asked a young couple their thoughts about the treasure poem……The young lady said, “Wow a treasure hunter, are you from National Geographic?” I told her no, that I’m just a goofy old guy with a silly poem looking for treasure, but I don’t think she believed me.

        I’m certainly out of my element talking to strangers, but it’s actually been fun and I’ve got some really different viewpoints……

      • Goofy-
        You have one of those big white lenses??
        The treasure will just about buy another one…won’t it?

      • Dal,
        I see you know about the big whites, if I find the treasure I’m going to get the whole set and maybe a new camera………I should have enough change left over to fix your brakes and fund us a trip to Yellowstone to shoot the wild life…….If you’re not sick of Yellowstone by then. 😀

  3. What if “north of Santa Fe” is not referring to the town of Santa Fe, NM but another place in NM. For example the Santa Fe Southern Railway is often referred to as the Santa Fe.

  4. Fellow Hunters,

    What are some thoughts about “in the wood” now that “outhouses” and other structures have been eliminated? I was thinking seriously that there was a good chance that the chest would be in an old cabin or shed, or under the front steps or in a shallow well with a wood surrounding, some type of wooden structure, or even in a slightly larger than the chest, wooden box to protect it from the elements. (I find it hard to believe that Mr. Fenn would put a $20,000. chest out in the open unprotected). Now that that’s all shot to heck, besides in a National Forest or Wilderness, what are other thoughts about what “in the wood” means?
    thanks in advance…

    • When one says “woods” they may be referring to a forest.. but when one says “wood” it can refer to a grove and in this case, an aspen grove. “If you are brave and in the wood” was deciphered by Stephan in a previous post in this blog and the solution is this – aspen trees are associated with warriors and they often grow in groves. Not only that, aspen trees are extremely common throughout the rocky mountains especially in higher elevation. The treasure is presumably, then, contained within an aspen grove at the very end of your hunt. The poem is structured in such a way that leads me to think that you can only find the treasure by looking into an aspen grove from an elevated spot.. if you were to search on-level with the grove you would not be able to find it. Thus, stanza 3 I believe talks about your quest ceasing, yet it’s only the last stanza where you collect the treasure.

      • There is a Bull-in-the-wood area up by Red River, Dals favorite spot lol, you would have to be darn brave or just plain stupid to tangle with a bull! LOL

      • ASBal and Kathy,

        You’ve both just jogged my memory enough to remember this was discussed previously. I’ll go back and reread the earlier posts.
        Thanks again.

      • Kayakers talk about log jams or places in rivers piled up with logs as having “wood”. They might say “take the left fork to avoid going into the wood”. Sometimes they have get togethers to clear logs from an area. There are places though where the wood is to dense to clear so it is just avoided.

  5. In the wood could just mean outside. Fenn’s goal is to get people out and about after all.

    • So it has also been attributed to FF as saying that “the box is exposed to snow, and rain and could be scorched by a wildfire”. I have interpreted this to mean that the box could still be concealed but it (the box) can “see” the sky.

      When you think about the statements that indicate there is some permanence to the riddle that will withstand time, then it almost has to be in a bombproof natural setting that isn’t likely to be altered by man or weather or natural causes in general. Because of this I was not surprised by today’s hint either.

      As I think about it this pretty much means it has to be in a place that will be protected from housing, construction, buying/selling of property, maintenance, or most any man-made improvement. I would have to eliminate most National Forests if this is the case due to logging, oil and gas exploration, access roads, and potential land swaps

  6. I think an aspen grove is unlikely. Aspens are a favorite habitat of elk and deer, and as a result there are many hunters in the aspens every year. Since its not going to be in the backcountry wilderness, the front country aspens get to much traffic for it to still be hidden.

  7. Ok, so everyone is assuming that, “The treasure is not associated with any man made structures” to mean that none of the clues in the poem are associated with any man made structures, thus ruling out dams, bridges, any sort of constructed blazes… etc. How do we know that he wasn’t just talking about where the treasure now lies. It seems like an important clarification needs to be made here. On one hand, if you knew that there were no man made structures relevant to the clues, you could rule out a lot of places but if you can not clarify this to be true, it only adds to the ambiguity.

    • “No need to dig up the old outhouses, the treasure is not associated with any structure,” Forrest Fenn announced on TODAY.

      I only interpret this to mean the box itself in not concealed within a man-made structure. This would imply that the box is concealed by a natural feature. In my opinion, he is not excluding the possibility that some of the clues refer to man-made structures.

      • I agree. I mentioned in a previous blog that if he were to eliminate all structures having to do with the poem then it would eliminate many things like Stu said. (dams,bridges,etc..) That would be a bigger clue than I think FF would be willing to reveal at this time. I’m sure there are plenty of “natural” things he could safely hide the chest in. Plus he reminded people it’s not buried by saying “no need to dig up”.

  8. I really believe everyone is looking to much into maps. Yes, maps do come in play but it is very possible that you really have to do some research into history. My father and I are going out to a spot that fits every hint and clue that has been given. We have gone into looking into history instead of just random places.

    • @Stephano,
      This is interesting……..Dal recently made a very interesting comment about Lake Bonneville in Utah; which was 17,400 years ago. We had a good discussion about the “timeline” of the clues.

      The perspective from which one looks at the poem changes the meaning considerably. Is Fenn using ancient landmarks/geology (Lake Bonneville for example) & cultures (Clovis people, etc.) to formulate the clues or is he basically in modern times, history?

      Or does he bounce from one timeline to another. I lean toward he used one timeline or perspective to formulate the poem because of what he said;

      “The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with confidence. Nothing about it will be accidental.”

      • Goofy,
        Glad you brought this up. Someone also quoted FF as saying “you don’t need a combination, you need the key”. I’m saying the key is context…FF context. Everyone is picking spots based on their frame of reference and that’s not working. I bet if you can get into his head and figure out his frame of reference you will go to it with confidence.

      • @Colokid,
        During that same discussion with Dal we talked about the clues being literal vs. metaphorical; and do all the clues follow the same psychology or bounce between being literal for one clue and metaphorical for the next.

      • One of the things I had noticed is that his quote saying ‘searchers have been within 500 feet of the treasure’ this is not specifically targeting people looking for the treasure more like there has been ‘searchers’.

  9. Okay, this may be far-fetched, and I don’t know if this is the proper place for it, but here is a bone for those in the embedded clue/anagram camp. I was trying to find the key in the poem to unlock the starting point, and wrote “A KEY TO FORREST FENN TREASURE CHEST” on my scratch pad and some words fell out…it anagrams perfectly to “STEER TRUE NORTH OF SANTA FE CREEK’S “Y”.

    I think I am ready for one of those rubber rooms I hear tell of…must…break…code!!!!!

  10. Mike,
    I believe the “exposed to rain, snow, and fire” comment was made in the Daily Beast article. It’s second hand from the writer, but he claimed FF said it in the interview.

    “He told me the chest is “exposed” to rain and snow, and could be scorched in a forest fire. He told me the box, which is just 10 inches by 10 inches, is unlocked—suggesting it’s someplace where it is unlikely to be toppled or otherwise thrown open.”


    • Colokid,

      Thanks for the reply. You mentioned above that someone also quoted FF as saying “you don’t need a combination, you need the key”. Do you remember where that was from? Thanks


  11. Colokid, I want to believe the same thing as I have a place in mind but “heavy loads” implies something man made to me – especially where I am looking. I understand that it could also mean you have to hoist your pack above your head because you are going to be walking in high water. I’m sure the guy has some good waders if he is a fly fisherman and wouldn’t put this past him at all. It’s just that I have a gut feeling about this applying to something else that is definitely man made but in the wilderness. It is good to rule out the resting place of the chest as a man made construction nonetheless. Hit me if you want to compare notes in CO. stuparadise at gmail

    • Stu,
      I have to admit that out of all the lines in the poem I have the hardest time constructing a meaning for heavy loads metaphorically. Taking a literal approach in the context of the rest of that stanza, I’m inclined to say it is referring to what you have to look forward to in extracting the treasure…e.g. carrying out a heavy load. I’m not totally convinced that “heavy loads” is one of the nine.

      I have a little trouble with a swift running water scenario based on the how-hard-a-place-can-an-80-year-old get to argument as well as the a-child-can-easily-access-it argument.

    • Heavy loads and water high could mean something like Granite mountain and Niagara peak, these aren’t actual references just made up possibilities.

      • I saw a show about either Lewis & Clark or Zebulon Pike years ago and in it, one of their journal entries was about being on the rapids and nearly losing all of their supplies due to “heavy loads and high water” referring to rapids and boulders. Just my take on it. BTW, as a side note, just watched Ken Burns’ “Lewis & Clark” tonight on Netflix. No corny re-enactments and some AWESOME scenery! Makes me want to trek back out west again asap 🙂

  12. Dollarbill,

    Referring to your “don’t need a map” comment. Agreed but how did you decide where to drive the car?

    Here’s something else that’s been bothering me. Everyone seems to agree that some form of transport is called for due the “too far to walk” line, but I haven’t heard anyone mention a horse. Lots of pictures and stories about FF on a horse.

    • kid-
      I think you are jumping to a conclusion here. In my opinion, Forrest is giving us a set of directions to a place. But that is not necessarily the way HE got to that spot. One can write cryptic clues to any spot in the world but that doesn’t mean the only way to get to the spot is via that route…right?

      In my opinion the way Forrest is sending us is not the same route he took to the spot. He drove very near there in his car and took the chest and goodies out and walked it a hundred feet or so to it’s hide spot. But the route he is sending us is a completely different route to the same spot.

      • Dal, I sure hope that he went in a car and not 4×4. I only have a car and some of those forest roads are jeep only, otherwise, I could not go and would be on the someone please look for me list. 🙂

      • I agree with that Dal but I also think when one figures out the clues he also will take a different way to get to his or her search area.

      • Kym-
        You are missing the overarching point of all this. Forrest wants people to have fun looking for it. In my opinion you don’t have to go anywhere scary or dangerous or difficult to get to it. The idea is that its cleverly hidden. Forrest is not a sadist. He does not want anyone hurt. I think the trick is in “seeing” it once you get to the location. If you simply make a cursory policing of the area you will not see it. In my opinion it’s not buried, it’s not under water. I believe people, maybe myself, have been right next to it and not noticed it. This is the way he is clever. This is why it will be difficult to find.

      • Dal is correct. You don’t have to physically follow the route in the poem. It is only a description of where the treasure is. Forrest says that you have to use your brain to find it. Use your brain to solve the clues in the poem. Then go there and look. The poem is not a list of routes you have to walk, it’s a puzzle to solve and the answer tells you where to look. Go look there and go the easiest way there is to get there.

    • By your question, I must assume that you have never gone out on a family excursion or hunting trip where you say “let’s see what’s down that road” and drive down it without a map in hand.

      There is no problem with you assuming a horse for transport. I recommend that you have a horse for each member in your search group. However if you do choose horse transportation, those of us believing in car transport just might be able to search more areas than you will.

      • Except that Forrest has already told another equine lover, “if you take a horse in there, you’d better give him an extra helping if oats.” Doesn’t sound like a horse could get to wherever the treasure is hidden.

    • Folks dal is right, so many folks are doing theyre way, as if they were hiding the chest. “Forest hid the chest” so to find it we must think like him. no crazy hikes up and down canyons or watery caves. the location has to be dear to him as is every clue. maybe we need to put the peom away for a bit and learn more about him first. then the poem begins to make sense. after doing this i truly believe i have found “the spot” and will be out there in the next 7 days. Treat it like a crime scene. learn about the players first then the crime makes more sense.

      • Interesting take Darrell, but if you mean we should learn more about Forrest from his book and then focus on “special places” he has written about, I respectfully disagree. Although I don’t have my book yet, so I don’t know how many locations he alludes to in his writings, I can’t imagine the treasure is hidden anywhere that is mentioned in the book, as that would focus the search to a handful of places (I suspect). Perhaps from the book we can learn what kinds of activities he enjoys, natural features that interest him, or spots that fit his profile of natural beauty and search those kinds of places out, but I believe the chest is placed in a spot known only to him and not mentioned in his book. I don’t know where I read it, but somewhere on this blog it says that some of his family are out searching as well. I have to believe that sitting around the Thanksgiving table, his family heard the stories of the special places listed in his book, and probably a few more special places as well, yet they are still looking. Personally, I am going to back-burner any special area he wrote about.

        Good luck out there in 7 days, and if you’re above 8000 feet you may want to think about snowshoes…I went out 2 weeks ago and disappeared into a drift…snow gods telling me to drop a few lbs I suspect.

      • Thanks Scott! you have awesome insight. but without giving away too much here there is something specific one would find when learning about the man who hid it that matches/hits one of the more difficult clues in the poem: and once read its a huge ah ha moment . but maybe its just how I read it 🙂 and you are so right about snow shoes. I was out there two weeks ago and couldnt get to the spot which is about 500 feet from the road with out snow shoes and depth poles.
        The spot was less than 6400 feet. Anyone going anywhere over 5k in elevation please take the right gear. I nearly fell in a hidden pond of unknown depth due to snow cover. at that point it was “the thrill of making it out alive” and not a human popsicle 🙂

      • darrell seyler
        I like your thinking and if you happen by Albuquerque and have a couple hours look me up.
        Here is one thought. Forrest is using what Stephanie said could be slight of hand magician trick, look at this or for this little blaze f marked on a tree and then he makes the elephant disappear. I think Tony D. that interviewd forrest is right in one statement he made, and that is think big things to match the clues so to me no map needed except maybe to get there

  13. stephano
    i believe you are in the right track,but i have done the history search from the beginning ,because of what mr fenn believes and enjoys.
    ok hope not saying to much here ,as i believe on a spot ,which i will be searching in the very near future .

  14. I also was looking at NM waterfalls site today and was led to one that said the forest rd. was lined with outhouses, now for the life of me I can’t remember how I got there. ugh! I will let oyu know when I find it again. 🙂

    • Kym, when looking at NM waterfalls, check out the USGS boundaries for the Rocky Mountains. It could eliminate a lot of waterfalls for you, unless you just enjoy going to waterfalls. If you have trouble finding the USGS RM links, they are posted in Searching New Mexico.

      • $Bill, thanks 🙂

        I will do that. Not made of gas $ 🙂 I’ve always enjoyed the outdoors. Been campin since I was knee-high to a grasshopper. 🙂

        I do have a wonderful spot selected that meets all the requirements and some only a few, thinkin my Coloma spot in Montana is getting more into my rear view for a closer location. Thanks all for your patience with me and comments. 🙂

  15. @Colokid Where did these quotes or information come from? I’ve never heard it before……

    It’s been said that “you don’t need a map to find the treasure”, and “you will be surprised to find out where it is hidden”. These statements have been attributed to FF but please correct me if they are improperly stated.

    • Stephanie,
      I think the first was in this thread by Dal….around March 25th, but I also believe I read it elsewhere. I can’t remember about the second…maybe one of the video interviews? I was trying to get others to verify that these are actual FF statements.

      • I don’t believe them to be true at all…especially ever hearing that you don’t need a map. The only thing I’ve ever heard is that Forrest was surprised so many people were using google earth as he hadn’t thought of that before…or something like that. That’s a much different thing than you don’t need a map. I’m not being rude…I’m just a stickler for detail…because he’s already so confusing with what he says….ya know?

      • In one of the video interviews he says you won’t find it by using Google Earth. He was implying people needed to get off their duffs and go look for it.

        • Ok that’s kind of a strange thing too…I don’t think it doesn’t mean you can’t use a map to get a general location…but I do think things like heavy loads and the blaze are not on a map…don’t you think?

      • I think he means that if we are sitting looking at google earth we can’t find it because we aren’t out there looking! That said, I think everyone should upload pictures to Google Earth of the places they are looking and checking with a code word so when we see pics we can see who has been where and what it looks like!! I have not as of yet found a pic titled looking for treasure, I am shocked lol!

        • That’s such a neat idea to post pics to google earth of where you’ve been. You can put code words in there? So maybe put Fenn Treasure?

      • You can name the pics, I think you can put details and even links to blogs etc in them also. I am not 100% on that but I think so…….. Fenn Treasure! Hear that people!? 🙂

    • dal / Mar 25 2013 10:17 pm

      Forrest once said we didn’t even need a map…just the poem. I don’t think I concur…a map, the poem, the book, a sandwich, a flashlight and an ice axe are on my basic needs list.

      this was in Nine Clues part one. Perhaps Dal can clarify.

      • That could mean it’s in a straight line…I thought it was if you shouldn’t use one or couldn’t look at one…I don’t know…seemed strange..but makes sense the way that was said..it’s just like you don’t have to have one. It probably means you don’t turn…I’ve thought when he said they got to a fork in the road that it meant there was a turn…and with the nigh…that it was a left turn.

  16. I think the 9 clues may relate to the fact that there are exactly 9 directions in the poem…..or it’s just a coincidence???

      • Dave, seems like you are saying that you would need yet another clue other than the 9 directions to get started? Makes perfect sense.

        Stance, in my opinion the 9 directions are just coincidental. But believe me when I say that I have been very wrong many a time.

  17. “Begin it were warm waters halt” may be referring to a water colored painting. I did a little searching, trying to connect a “Brown” with watercolor landscapes and came up with an Arthur Brown, who in 1883 painted twenty water colored landscapes of Yellowstone. Only one painting is known to exist and it’s a painting the geysers in Yellowstone.

    I don’t have a copy of the “Thrill of the Chase” so I was wondering if there are any pictures of Mr. Fenn standing in front of a landscape.

  18. I am having a hard time buying some of these extra tidbits of information. Some are attributed to interviewers (whom I do not trust – sorry) like the Daily Beast article. Others, like the ones Stephanie just mentioned, “not needing a map and you will be surprised…” don’t even seem to have a source. Has anyone anywhere ever compiled a list of direct from the horses mouth quotes? The internet is full of misinformation and I’m sure we’re all guilty of handing it out to each other. I for one would love to know what actual quotes could be attributed to Forrest and which one’s are suspect.

    • Dal has a list of clarifications directly from Forrest which is the only page I’m aware of that helps with misinformation.

      • dal / Mar 25 2013 10:17 pm

        Forrest once said we didn’t even need a map…just the poem. I don’t think I concur…a map, the poem, the book, a sandwich, a flashlight and an ice axe are on my basic needs list.

        here is the source.

  19. I have never searched google earth for a spot unless I have been there my self and it triggered something in my memory Then i will look for that spot through google earth. MW

    • I think google earth is perfect for this in scouting out possible locations. Remember Forrest says that he hid the treasure in a place he is very familiar with. So he has been there in person before selecting the location. Once he selected the location he put landmarks geographical features in the poem that describe that location and guide you there. He is a pilot and I think many of those clues come from him flying around that area in the past. Google Earth allows you to scout out a possible location from that same perspective by flying over it. You can see the landmarks and their relationship to each other. You won’t find the treasure on Google earth but you may narrow down your choices of where to look.

      • I agree Jack. I don’t have my book yet so have had to rely on just the reading of the poem, blogs, research on different areas and Google Earth which has helped a great deal in narrowing down my guesses but, until I can get out to look, I’ll never know what the Blaze might really be. I find that part critical. I have ideas as to what the blaze might be but I’ll have to wait and see if my guesses are close to reality……..after the snow melts though. 🙂

      • Jack, I too used Google earth and I believe it’s the answer. Besides, Fenn’s art Gallery is just off of Upper Canyon Rd that leads up to the second reservoir, where at the end of the body of water is the remnants of an old fire (on the right) and the standing pond of still water (on the left) which could be called “warm water.” The fire remnants is approx. 91 ft above the warm water pond which his words: look quickly down, your quest to cease,” makes sense.

  20. Well Mora is just about the most beautiful spot in all of Northern, New Mexico. Up there on the high road to Taos. I have been there before and vowed someday to return. I just don’t see any clues leading to the place except maybe in Las Vegas, NM – the home of Hoodo Brown and the Dodge City gang.

  21. Hi everyone,

    I have been reading these blogs for about 2 months now. Some of your ideas sound good. Seems to be a few lines that a lot of folks are having trouble with. I have an idea for the home of Brown.
    Mr Fenn used to fly through the canyons looking for cliff dwellings and caves…seems like he wanted a birds eye view. What if the home of Brown is a bird…a Golden Eagle…they are dark brown in color and they nest on sides of cliffs. Their feathers are/were used in Indian ceremonies.

  22. If this has already been said, then I apologize.

    “Put in below the home of Brown.”
    “Your efforts will be worth the cold”

    I highly doubt Forrest put the chest into a mountain stream or river if he expected the chest itself to last for any decent period of time (such as a 1,000 years). Putting the chest directly into a mountain stream or river is tantamount to putting it in one of mother nature’s most aggressive stone mills. Over a long period of time, it would be subject to way more destructive force than a 12th century Romanesque chest made of bronze and lined with wood could endure. Just one flash flood has the capacity to either damage, redeposit (or both) the chest.

    • Good point Kyle.
      Now, someone mentioned ‘ heavy loads’ I can come up with a few results, right or wrong, about most all the clues, EXCEPT HEAVY LOADS !!!! I have tried to pin this on being a Bear, ( big heavy animal) Electric power, power lines, big Rocks ??what else??? it needs to be an …. OH YES!!! This is a must to get the right Creek.

  23. Obviously, FF is a witty character, and we are attempting to match wits with him. I propose that we take a new approach for a bit. FF has most likely considered what most people will do when they join in on the chase. Examples of what I am referring to are:

    Most people are likely to read his books in order to try and figure him out or find hidden clues.
    Most people will want to search near places FF lived or frequented.
    Most people will read exotic meanings into his poem.
    Most people will interpret the “blaze” as an identifying mark.

    After we identify our human flaws, we can go the opposite direction, interpret the clues, and see where it takes us.

    Anyone interested?

    • Dollarbill, I agree with you. I’ve mentioned that we need to address the words in his poem as metaphors. After all, he is a writer and uses them a lot in his writings.

    • Purely an individual view point, you should form your own views.

      A person, before beginning the chase, would first ask “Who?” and “Why?” FF anticipated this and wrote a book “The Thrill of the Chase”.

      A person would then ask “Do I need to purchase his book to find the treasure?” FF anticipated this and began his “Old Santa Fe Trading Co” web site and said something somewhere like “All you need to find the treasure is his poem”. He posts the poem and says it “contains nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of his rainbow and the treasure” for all to read on his web site http://www.oldsantafetradingco.com/the-thrill-resource-page.

      A person would then read the poem and ask “What are the 9 clues saying where the treasure is?” FF anticipated this and for longevity’s sake he wrote his poem to purposefully contain a bounty of interpretations, knowing that a poem’s meaning is purely an interpretation by each reader.

      FF then anticipated that interest in the chase could wane because it will be difficult to find, so he started issuing supplemental hints/clues via interviews, emails, and posts. Some of the hints/clues, not necessarily in proper order, are.

      “I have said that the treasure is hidden somewhere in the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe, and that I advise any searchers to wait until spring or summer to do their searching.” See http://tapestry.usgs.gov/physiogr/physio.html and http://birrell.org/andrew/reliefMaps/.

      “The treasure is hidden higher than 5,000 feet above sea level.” See http://maps.howstuffworks.com/united-states-annual-snowfall-map.htm.

      “the chest is not in a dangerous place”. Safe for children to go. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f94WI-0chv4.

      The chest “weighs 42 pounds”. See http://degreesearch.org/blog/how-much-does-stuff-weigh/; and, dal’s Scrapbook Twenty-nine blog.

      “an old man carried it to its secret location” See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgOJyV08xp8.

      “No need to dig up the old outhouses, the treasure is not associated with any structure.” See http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/outdoor/news-13-loneliest-outhouses-earth.

      dal has a blog (Tips From Forrest) listing tips.

      Knowing FF’s life will certainly help anyone interpret the poem better. dal’s site and his blogs do contain lots of information on FF and his life.

      Well, that exercise didn’t get me any closer.

      • Jen, thought that I would see if anyone was paying close attention to others in the chase. I know that I am lax. Looks like there is at least one. Glad to see that you are alert and liked it.

      • I try to pay very close attention! I’m at the point where I put down the maps, shut off google earth and I’m thinking. And thinking. Lots! And in thinking I’m paying very close attention to others as well because it helps me think my ideas through better!

        • LOL that post is why I like you Jen lol…we sound similar…except I don’t think my computer/phone has an off switch…so I have to go into the mountains to be free…and even sometimes that doesn’t work. I did email Forrest from the top of Baldy Mountain in Idaho with my last will and testament…so you have to pick your mountains carefully. I posted a new blog about Forrest hosting an archeologist convention and also a link to his famous clovis cache if anyone is interested. _http://whatsablaze.wordpress.com/2013/03/31/forrest-hosts-an-archaeology-co nference-and-a-link-to-nova-who-highlighted-one-of-his-collections/_ (http://whatsablaze.wordpress.com/2013/03/31/forrest-hosts-an-archaeology-conferenc e-and-a-link-to-nova-who-highlighted-one-of-his-collections/)

  24. I’ve heard a number of people mention cemetaries. I came across something in Montana and I researched it a bit. There’s a Cemetery Island in canyon ferry montana. It’s in the middle of the dam there. It just so happens that the Missouri River comes down from to canyon to it. The interesting part is that the nickname for the Missouri is “Old Muddy”. Think it relates to “Brown”? Just a thought. I was thinking that it would be just the place that Fenn would want to be buried after he left us. You know he loves Montana.

  25. Just a tip. Some locations have WebCams. If you are uncetain of the weather, if a Cam is there, you can get a good look-see.

  26. Oh. Before I forget, my comment regarding Canyon Ferry Montana…
    The Missouri River actually starts as a spring on the top of Jefferson Mountain. As I recall, it’s west of Canyon Ferry. Possibly “waters high”?

      • Really we can MAKE home of Brown fit anywhere. There are trout all over, bears, birds and so on. So if the rest of it fits…….. you never know! Trout is the simplest thing of all and very well could be it!

  27. Gil, I’m not aware that we had some sort of arrangement. I have my spot and I’ll only be able to go out one time on a search. So unfortunately, as interesting as your offer is, I will have to decline. I’m very sorry, but physically I couldn’t make but one run at this. Also, give a shout out to Dal to have him delete your offer. You don’t want to give your spot up to strangers. By that I would be speaking of non-blog members who just peruse and not produce. If you know what I mean,

  28. I 100% believe that the treasure is tucked in on the underside of a bridge just think about it.
    1. “No paddle up your creek” = swift moving creek/river/stream
    2. “Heavy Loads” = bridge traffic, “Water High” = stream/creek/river under the bridge.
    3. “If you been wise and found the blaze” = Markings on the bridge deck or rails to show where on the underside to look.
    4. “Tarry scant with marvel gaze” = What you will do when you finally figure out that it’s on the underside.
    5. “Your effort will be worth the cold” = I’m sure that water will be cold, and i’m quite sure it will be worth it.
    6. “Brave”= you are gonna have to be brave to get in that cold a** swift moving stream/creek/river.
    7 “In the wood”= It will either be a wooden bridge or in a stream/river/creek with wood in the name.

    • Stay away from wooden bridges, it ain’t gonna make the 100-500 year lifetime Fenn wants…LOL

    • As posted above, Forrest just said “The Treasure is not associated with any structure”…which rules out the bridge I searched, and presumably all the others.

  29. There is a purple pachyderm on the hunt with us. There might be some information about the clues. If not, it’s still a pretty cool story..after you read that page click on the “next” page to read more..I think there are 4 pages right now…


    • Dal, this new clue has me bewildered… The only place left is the chest hanging from the lower part of a tree on a hook. Geez. NO STRUCTURES!

      • I am really freed up by it. I love not having to consider bridges and hotels and dams in the mix. I am still interested in Native legends about the beginning and ending of warm water. I am still interested in hot springs..in a convoluted way.

        For me it’s given me a push forward now that I don’t have so many possibilities clogging up my pusher…

    • Wow, Dal. I’m impressed. You are a good treasure hunter. You found me. I will be out there looking around the first weekend of April. I’ll give the location of my search once I get to scan it first. Your blog has been a great source of information and it is very well written and organized. Thanks so much for sharing. It takes a massive effort to do a great write up like you do.

      Are you going to be in Santa Fe anytime soon? I would love to talk with you. I hope to at least have a chance to chat with Forrest or play poker or something? Lots of Fun!! Good luck all and tell me what you think.

      PJ (or Phil)

      • Thanks PJ-
        Nice to see your unpurple face..
        I sure like your pachyderm fellow…
        Phil has a purple pachyderm that is on the hunt with us…
        Go here to read more about PJ the purple elephant on the hunt for Forrest’s gold…

  30. To tell you the truth, I believe you are more interested in the adventures, then the treasure.

  31. Ha!…Are you kidding? I love the chase but when I dream I imagine myself opening up that chest and seeing all that sparkly gold and those glittering gemstones and I know exactly what it means. It means brake jobs for life…that’s what it means…

    • You know something, I’m going to feel really bad when someone finds that chest. Mostly for those on this blog who have searched for so long. Especially you and Steph. As you know, I haven’t been as involved as the rest of you. Heck, I only heard of it a month and a half ago.

      • My money is on Steph. She is relentless. And she has already checked out so much. She’ll find it by attrition…

      • Dal,
        I’m not so sure about that, you’ve made twenty something trips to six states……that sounds pretty relentless to me. After you find the treasure forget about fixing the brakes, just get a new truck. 😀

  32. dal, did you see my comment to GIL from earlier? He laid out his location to me in the comments. I told him to shout out to you to delete it before some walk -by picked it up. I believe he wanted to partner with me, but I explained that I already have plans.

    • I did see it…but he has not asked me to take it down..
      It’s not a new location…so I left it up..

    • Germanguy, an honest person will share with Gil if he is right. He needs someone to look for him as he cannot make the trip. I told him I will look for him when I get the chance but it may be a while. The thing about it though is that it is not North of Santa Fe and therefore I have my doubts in a big way. It’s the same as Bandolier and Jemez.

  33. All sorts of ways to conjure up stuff — just ask me — ha ha. For example, take the line ‘but tarry scant’. If you take the first 9 letters of the line an discard them, but keep the next two letters; then take the next 9 letters of the line and discard them, but keep again the next two letters, you get the word CAVE – see with a vivid imagination you can make the poem say just about anything you want it to say. Obviously I’m hung up on 9. Also obviously this “find” is nothing because it doesn’t work for any other line of the poem — just throwing it out there as a silly way I have looked at things…..

  34. If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, look quickly down — would seem to suggest that the blaze is at or above eye-level and that the chest is directly beneath the blaze, so maybe ground-level? Just thinking…..

    I liked Cleveland for “home of Brown”
    Then I liked Boy Scouts (Philmont) for “home of Brown” (aren’t their uniforms brown?) and their motto is something about being brave, and maybe all these points are like ‘merit badges’ and maybe that’s dear to FF???? Maybe he was a Scout???? But alas Philmont isn’t north of Santa Fe.

    • The Philmont/Cimarron area was one of my early search areas. The land there is either BSA land or Land Grant turf. Combine that with the whole Brown Ranch and Dry Cimarron river idea and it sounds good but everything I found lead out of the mountains. And yes the Scout Ranch is north of Santa Fe.

      • Thought of the Devil’s Wash Basin as the warm waters there….just figured the end point wouldn’t be IN Philmont…but might come from Philmont where he might have gone as a child…but then he fished somewhere near there as an adult.

      • Yes, I know there’s a Cleveland, NM — that’s why I liked it — someone did something with a compass rose once and makes me think that to “north” of Santa Fe, it shouldn’t (technically) be north east or certainly not east-northeast, so I think some of the good options are outside that big funnel that is truly north of Santa Fe

    • No offense here Stance but I think you need to check your info before making posts. I have read a few now that are absolutely wrong. Either you’re trying to steer people away from a spot you think it is or just don’t do any research before making claims. You could save us all the trouble of having to read through misinformation or correcting you by simply not posting stuff that isn’t true.

      • Oh, no, folks. Now what did I say that is offensive? Really. I truly don’t know. Could it be we just have a difference of opinion on what is truly “north” of Santa Fe? How much does the funnel flare?

        • Stance Brooks
          Technically speaking in my opinion anything one centimeter north of the Santa Fe city limits is north of Sante Fe City proper, but the flare would still contain the rocky mountains.
          So go find it in that area I assume but only if it the city of Santa Fe and not something else called or referred to Santa Fe but again still within the rocky mountains.

      • Well first off I apologize if that came off harsh, far be it from me to police Dal’s blog. The first time it was the Jemez are 100% not part of the Rockys, now it’s Philmont isn’t north of Santa Fe, there was one other but I forget. It would be one thing if you stated these as opinion but you state them as fact and in my humble opinion that’s just not cool.

  35. Forrest exact words were “No need to dig up the old outhouses, the treasure is not associated with any structure”

  36. Looking at the definition for “structure”, that doesn’t leave many options. Makes the available options smaller. Leaves out everything from caves to houses. geologically, caves are considered structures. So, no need to worry about waking any bears from their naps.

  37. Why hasn’t anyone thought of the peom creating a X marks the point on a map.

    More specifically the four main lines. For example:

    1. Waters halt – ice cave w volcano
    2. Canyon down – ice cave canyon. (Connect)
    3. Not far but too far – Cuba. Country isn’t far but too far to walk
    4. Below house of brown – brown real-estate.

    X marks the spot. Rest of the poem will take you once you get there.

  38. Someone posted this somewhere else…just thought I’d put it here….surprised that they are reporting this….

    “The local TV stations in Albuquerque are quoting Santa Fe National Forest Officials as saying that if the “box” is on Forest Land it belongs to the Forest Service. Taking it would be a felony offense. STUPID FEDERAL RULES AND REGULATIONS. “

    • Steph
      I will ask my environmental guy this question
      He can pull up maps with colors of ownership in all areas. to see who owns certain properties or areas. So it could be on state land not BLM or national forest but I also believe it is not on privte land.
      Forrest knew all of this for sure.

      • It doesn’t really matter to me…If I see it, I don’t plan on asking the land owner(government or not) if I can take it…it’s a curious thing though…..

      • If,and,or when someone finds the loot they had better have a real good plan in place.I would not be to sure how easy to make off w/ it would be!

    • Ha, New Mexico is the second poorest state in the country . . . I’m not surprised, Steph. I do believe that abandonment laws could be applied. If I found it, I would keep it quiet but give Forrest back his bracelet.

      • I believe caves are still in as he said “man made structures.” For that matter, he said “the treasure is not associated with…” Not the poem or the clues. This, like anything is open to interpretation.
        The thing I can’t stop considering is that so called quote of the chest being”exposed to rain and snow”. Did he actually say that it was exposed or that he considered that it would be? Two different statements. If he considered that a box lined with wood and worth over50k would need to be protected to last “10,000 years”. Maybe he took measures to protect it. I don’t think that would be considered a structure as much as a container.. I mean plastic, as much as I don’t like it, lasts for a long time and you can make it look like anything.

        • Interesting question Stu. I never really thought about it before as I didn’t notice that the box was lined in wood until someone mentioned it on the blog. That information makes a difference to me as to where Forrest would have placed it. After all the reading I’ve done and videos I’ve watched, I’m now not sure what Forrest said himself or if he was quoted exactly by anyone. My own thought is that Forrest would not want that beautiful bronze box to get ruined by placing it under water like in a creek or stream. I recall someone saying that he said it would be exposed to rain and snow and even fire so I’m thinking it’s “in the wood” somewhere and not in a cave. It could be under a pile of branches or rocks or under a ledge of dirt or rocks for additional protection though or maybe he put it into a plastic box or wrapped it in plastic for protection. I guess I won’t know until I found it. 🙂

        • Yesterday I posted Exactly what he said, and he only mention wood in regards to the outhouses, not the structures. I went back and listened to it and structures comment did not include “wood”.

          • A structure can be anything wood or cement etc….here’s the definition
            below…heck I think the poem itself is a structure.

            The arrangement of and relations between the parts or elements of
            something complex.
            Construct or arrange according to a plan; give a pattern or
            organization to.
            noun. construction – building – fabric – frame – edifice verb.
            construct – build – organize

        • Musstag,

          He already gives Title to the gold in the poem. Do you mean he would write up a paper of title?

      • John Paul
        So did Steph state it was state forest officials or she say National Forest officials?
        There is a difference I believe and in this case it is the US Government not state

        • It’s federal as it was a national forest being quoted. I wouldn’t worry about it. I think it’s the reason he hasn’t shown the unique items in the chest. Didn’t we all wonder why we never saw them except the bracelet which he wants back? I did. I think we just need to go in peace…and tell the IRS that Grandma Gertrude had this stashed under her bed before she passed. *disclaimer* Take most of what I say as a joke, and not real legal advice lol.

    • What if we just took the gold out of the box and left the box? There would be no way of proving where you got it from. If they ask, give them the poem and tell them here are the exact directions on where the chest still is! 🙂
      If no one saw FF put the treasure where it is, why would they see someone take it out?

      • Maybe we should tell them that the blaze actually gave directions to his house and we picked it up there. Wait…that’s my idea…you guys just leave it there…it’s wrong to take it.

    • Saw that on the FB page. Again if only the finder and Mr. Fenn knows where it is then no one can lay claim to it. I do think he would more likely hide it on federal land than private. Just seems kinda rude to put it on a private citizen’s property without compensation expected.

      • Ted Turner’s ranch. Interesting how Fenn didn’t want the publicity, however he is doing interviews for NBC.

        • Forgot about ‘ol Ted Fonda. Course Trump has his show on NBC but calls into Fox News every Monday morning.

    • If it is a felony on Forest Service land, it is most likely a felony on all Federal and Indian lands. If its a felony on all Federal lands, it is probably a felony on all State, County, and City lands, i.e. all public lands. Hurry up and go broke Stephanie, so that I can get you under contract. P.S., the contract does not include posting bonds or paying for attorneys. Good news, I hear that Public Defenders are getting a little better at defending their clients via plea bargaining.

      • That’s ok…I believe I read somewhere that Forrest’s love for Monopoly made him realize to put a get out of jail free card in the olive jar…I think we’re all good.

      • Stephanie, stupid me, I should have realized that you would be at least a few steps (if not miles) ahead of the rest of us.

  39. Has anyone considered turning this discussion into a forum? That format would be a lot more conducive to organizing these discussions versus blog comments. Anyone with computer skills willing to give it a go?

  40. Stephanie I think we are going to meet someday we follow the same paths It will be a pleasure meeting your family. M.W.

    • My family is ready to give me up for adoption…any takers? Looking for a family that lives out West somewhere…, with easy access to Santa Fe so I can hide behind a bush and wait for Dal to go out searching and skitch a ride.

      • Steph, we live in a small 2 bdrm but I am willing to give you the futon in the office to save on motel cost if you want.
        I don’t make much noise gettin up for work inthe am’s 🙂 lol

        • Aww Kym, Your the sweetest ever!! I don’t go out West alone though really so need to do the motel. I’m hoping my next trip will be with my girlfriend and our two boys and hopefully for a couple weeks if we can figure it all out. I hope when I get out there this summer I can meet up with all you wonderful people. I hope dollarbill sees this….he might have to sweeten the contract deal…. Hugs Kym!!!

      • I’ll share all my sites with you too, for what they’re worth lol 🙂 just email me , think my pic may link to my email, put subject in line.

      • Stephanie, Santa Fe would probably be a cool break from the Phoenix area in the summer time. While planning your trip, I strongly suggest that you at least check out the links that I posted in dollarbill / Mar 28 2013 10:21 am under my dollarbill / Mar 27 2013 7:29 pm post. The links will definitely give you a different perspective. you have to look at them all. They are inter-related.

        I just don’t know how I could sweeten the pot any more than it is. It’s sweet as a bee hive as it is.

        • I’m in Chicago. Would just love to spend the summer in the Santa Fe area…hopefully I can get a trip or two in…have a lot going on this summer here. I think I saw those links…I’ll look again.

          • Steph
            Please stay home and not on the range^, that way I will have a better chance of finding it first, this goes for you to Dal.
            I am going where I told you both so if I get lost you’ll know where to find me after this weekend

            Joke of the day and related to outhouses to keep it relevant to Forrest clues
            For a person you do not like ask them how much they weigh when they are going into the bathroom, and when they ask why you need to know that, tell them that you need to know that in case they fall in then you’ll know how much to dip out.

          • Wait…I’m no threat…I think that should be obvious to everyone now. I don’t remember where you might have told me your going…yikes. I hope you don’t get lost.

  41. Regarding putting the treasure under water, I have learned it was a bronze box and because the phrase Tarry scant, I now believe he only sealed the seam of the bronze box with tar, which now make sense of that phrase.

      • Hi….I think he means don’t stand around looking at it for very long, take it and go!

        • I support that line of thinking Barry. To tarry; to delay or be tardy in acting or doing.

          scant (skӕnt) adjective
          hardly enough; not very much. scant attention; scant experience.

      • hi stephanie
        trying to get the book before i leave,alas it will be late
        looking for anyone that can tell me about pics in said book, like i have heard of,”double omegas” and the like s

        • Feel free to email at tyblossom at aol dot com and I’d be happy to answer any questions you have about the book before you leave.

          • I recall reading that FF said Brown was a very important clue , is there any indication of this in the book or anywhere else ?

          • I’ve never ever heard him say that Brown was an important clue over any other clue. if someone knows of that, let me know…but I don’t think it’s the case.

          • I’ve never heard that he said Brown was important either, but I have heard that he’s said, begin at the beginning…..but would that necessarily mean that you have to begin at “Begin where warm….” — maybe there’s another way to begin, such as the first stanza or something.????

          • I think there are many interpretations of home of Brown and that it is a very common name.

          • “Put in below the home of Brown.” to put in generally means to arrive in a somewhat unconventional manner such as a boat or plane , though it may not. “home of Brown” possibly a festival or celebration pertaining to something that is known in slang terms as Brown , i don ‘t think it refers to a person and trout would be too obvious as would bear. I do have a theory as to what it is in reference to but I need to investigate it more thoroughly before a conclusive opinion can be formulated .

          • When I was looking for it to be in Yellowstone, I’d thought of the brown garnet that is around Brown’s hole, and by Coloma, it is I think. I’d thought maybe it was in an old mining camp before FF said that it didn’t associate with any structure. But, I also think that does not mean that we won’t encounter any along the way.

          • has anyone ever heard of Forrest climbing rock? There are 2 bolts under the box and maybe they are to anchor in climbing or repelling, not far but too far to walk? lol or 2 bolts holding up a trail sign made of weathered wood? I saw a waterfall on NM waterfalls that said a 75 year old man still hikes up the side of it. You never know. 🙂 Ex; the 80 yr old lady sky -diving you’d never thunk either lol

          • he may have tied up the box and lifted it to it’s hiding place. My son loved to climb rock walls when he was younger and did it in seconds flat 🙂 Even at Vegas’ M&M’s one 🙂

          • could be that too, considering he’s an avid fisherman. And has told his granddaughter that she can’t keep anything that she hasn’t tied the fly for herself. 🙂

          • my step father always told me growing up,”you know you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.” lol So maybe home of Brown is Winnie- the – Pooh! bear

          • Kym-
            I had thought of something similar before too. He talks about his missing ball of string and soda cap collection. I had imagined some sort of shaft where you pop the top cap under which is a rope you have to pull up attached to the chest. That would be cool. Not dangerous, but hard work.

          • We looked in an old well in Cimmaron Nat’l forest in front of an old cabin, the well had no water and a piece of yellow string but nothing on the end of it. It was frayed.

          • no boots 🙂 it was right off the road. and we went before the clue about no structures. Just last weekend. hopefully we can get out this next weekend as well. But, I’m trying to save for my vacation, in june or july. I didn’t take one last year so I’m more than ready for one now 🙂

          • there are some nice special trout streams below Eagle Nest Lake dam that we saw. Even saw a man in warm waders hiking on the road.

          • He wouldn’t have done anything like that to hide the treasure…he’s made that pretty clear…nothing dangerous…so I think the only thing he’s done is hiked in and hiked out twice to hide it.

          • “Begin it where warm waters halt” could mean that snow melt that runs into a canyon creates a waterfall that becomes latent as the melt diminishes and the waterfall eventually becomes dormant, This is a common occurence in mountainous regions.

          • “But tarry scant with marvel gaze”

            “Tarry”: Stay longer than intended; delay leaving a place:, “scant”: could mean leisurely scan of everything ,”marvel gaze”: the spectacular view that will no doubt accompany the treasure.

          • I am patiently waiting for my book to arrive. I would like to talk with Stepanie, maybe she could tell me where I can get started, as I am a new comer to the hunt. I have checked out some of the blogs. My name is Linda. I live in Colorado, and plan to make my first trip to the area in may. I am a disabled vet, but that is not going to stop me. Any help on where to begin,would be appreciated. Stepanie you can reach me at LKHoffman315@gmail……. Thanks………

          • Linda
            I made a comment earlier today about where warm water halts , and that to me is the start. I have posted a comment about several segments of the poem and i have a perspective for every segment , though i haven’t posted all of them. You may want to try to find my posts and maybe they will get you started . For each segment i have interpreted a specific location but I have only posted general terms for them . Stephanie has listed her e-mail address in several of her post if you want to look them up . Good luck

          • Hi Linda. I grew up Army Brat in Colorado. What part of CO are you in?


  42. Hello everyone! I am waiting for my book to arrive today. I can’t wait to get started on my quest. This is so exciting to be going on an actual treasure hunt. Good luck everyone. Let the adventure begin!!!!

  43. Where does dal live i mean what state I don’t think its .NM i think it further away

      • Wow Dal, pretty exclusive real estate. My Dad roomed with Bill Anders, the astronaut, at the Naval Academy and he lives on an island right there in a mansion with many toys like a helicopter. Maybe you don’t need the cash, and you really are in it only for the adventure! Or maybe you are actually Forrest…hmmm never seen you both in a room together. That photo of you two looks shopped as well!

        • Ha…
          You mistake Lummi Island for San Juan Island. My truck is a 99 GMC and my helicopter is only a Bell 47D.
          You are correct about the shopping on the photo of Forrest and me. I actually was not smiling…

      • Did Dal ever say if he checked up by Silver Lake there in Wash? I was looking there too lol, I can sing that song,”
        I’ve been everywhere man!” lol and haven’t even left yet!!

  44. IT sucks when we all live so far from SF to far to walk ha ha That’s not so funny. Cost a lot of money to go down there. Hope I can pay the bills.

    • Mark, there can be other costs involved – even for locals. For example, camping and hiking equipment, car batteries, hotel rooms, emergency room visits for banging one’s head against a rock and also breaking your eye-glasses, throwing your back out carrying a 50 lb car battery 100 yards (heavy loads), automobile wear, gas, rescue fees, time, etc . . . 😉

      The memories though? Priceless!

  45. I like the idea that Forrest left the treasure IN a creek or river(waterway). Could make a legal argument that the public owns access and would help with title/transfer/legal issues regarding finding and removing the treasure. While maybe not completely clear, better than leaving on land(unless he owned the land personally himself). Think Forrest would have thought this part through;pretty savvy. This would make a nice next clue.
    Any attorneys out there with an opinion?

    • I know you guys don’t like hearing journalistic quotes but:

      “But if Fenn hid the chest on government land it could be a felony to remove it, since everything on government land by definition belongs to the country, to all taxpayers, not just a brazen fellow hoping to play finders-keepers. And if Fenn hid the box on private land, well, as Fenn himself will tell you, the owner of the land is the automatic owner of the box. “There’s no place that you can put [the treasure] that under the right circumstances there are not complications,” Fenn told me.”

      Regardless of whether Fenn did say this, it is my opinion (not a lawyer) that the basic legal concept is clear. There have been any number of huge government and private legal disputes over treasure salvaged at sea. You will need to have an exit strategy if you pick it up no matter where it is. For example; don’t tell anyone.

      • There is a difference between treasure that has been sitting around for hundreds of years and was lost and found property, lost property and abandoned property. I’m not sure exactly how it applies and it may be different depending on state and federal laws and where it was found. But there are different laws pertaining to the circumstances of the original owner.

      • You know, i like Stephi’s idea of returning it to its rightful owner and letting him give it back to you, minus the bracelet. However, then again . . . perhaps somebody might challenge that and even subpena Mr. Fenn to disclose the recipient.

        Best to just “keep your head low and your amo dry” – say nothing and send Mr. Fenn the bracelet so everyone can know the treasure was found.

        • john paul
          I always liked the idea of giving it back to him, if you do find it remember to tell no body.
          I don’t think I could be quiet about it, I would want at least you all to know where it was.
          So if I find it and you know that is almost impossible correct, if I did I would give you each 10 guessies like the guessing game yes or no and the person that tells me where I found it gets one coin from the box. My choice.
          So since no one has found it so far my chances of losing one coin is worth the gamble but wouln’t that be fun.
          Wish me luck cause looks like I will probable be going in there this weekend so maybe start thinking of your yes no questions.

      • If we find it we just have Dal meet us at a secret location for the inside story to be exclusively published on his website without a name. Then if the feds come knocking we just say that story wasn’t true. :-)~ but that way we all know where it was and that it is found. Of course you’ll need to send Dal a picture of it first so he can use it to prove to us but to also prove to him that you found it so he doesn’t have a thousand bogus private meetings!

        • I’m curious if there are any ideas we can get around their laws to legally keep it. Forrest can ask me to go get it for him *evil grin* and bring it to a museum where it will be held in escrow of sorts behind a glass display. Of course museum sales go up, because so many people want to see it. Then in it’s place he will leave an IOU to go pick it up. If the feds have issue with you taking the paper the IOU is printed on…you borrow the paper to bring to the museum…then collect the chest…then spill coffee on the IOU and put it back where it was. My other idea is that if geocache is allowed in an area where it is(I don’t know if it is)…then that should set precedence to fight that they already allow for it. I think you need to get permits though…so that might be a little sticky. Forrest buys me the land it’s on if it’s private so I can have a place to stay while I can go searching for the treasure, because I’m just that sweet of a girl(ok…no one realized the hidden agenda here…right?) Forrest finds a buffalo…names him Cody….attaches the chest to him so that the chest is constantly moving around the USA and no one can ever prove what kind of land it was found on. If it’s a hiker from Texas who finds it….they won’t even know where they were to tell where it was found. Ok those are my ideas….tag your it.

      • Kid-
        First you have to find it…
        Who cares about the rest? It’s like talking about how your going to spend the money or distribute the goodies…
        The job at hand is to find the darn box…then…if you are clever and if you tarry scant…you’ll get the box home.

      • dal – Agree w/ have to find it first, 100%!!

        All this chatter about legality suggests 2 things:
        1. person has already had “aha” moment,they “thinks” they know where it is and is waiting for spring in order to go get it and…. has nothing else to do.
        2. Or person is simply “mining” internet for solution and realistically “thinks” they can develop a viable solution in that manner….and has nothing else to do while waiting for next post. LOL

        either way, time is not being spent in productive manner for task at hand…..solving the Poem.

        I “thinks” I wish em the Best of Luck!

      • Here’s an analogy for ya: Let’s say I left my car in Yellowstone because it wouldn’t start. It sat in a lot for a couple of months and I was unable to go get it myself, so I told a friend where it was (even cryptically in a poem) and he retrieved it. Would the government own my car? I’m no lawyer, but I think there must be a clear determination of how someone’s personal property would become government property. Perhaps length of time abandoned? Who knows, but I’m sure, as with everything else, FF thought this through as well and while it’s a safe measure to consider the possibility of legal issues, I think deciphering the clues and finding the treasure is where we should focus. I think we’re in good hands by trusting Forrest not to lead us into a legal nightmare.

      • I hope whoever is fortunate enough to find it won’t share it with the IRS. That would be a real shame..Like the lotto winners who buy new tires for their old trucks…

      • Haha Stephi, now i KNOW WHERE THE TREASURE IS!! 😉 It’s tied to a buffalo in Yellowstone who mostly walks around munching on grass until it realizes something is attached to him.

        • Buffalo isn’t a structure…and it could be a heavy load….so who’s going to check all the buffalo bellies to see if it has a chest tied to it? *volunteers*???

      • I already covered all the issues with Stepanie on her blog. First and foremost, empty the gold and jewels in your back packs immediately and carry out the chest empty. Now if stopped, they will see you with the chest, and question you. More than probably will question you and search the chest. But unless they have a search warrent, I don’t believe they can do a body search. Before they can get a warrant, you have your lawyers phone number in your cell to call IMMEDIATELY. Just my thoughts on that point.

      • I’m waiting for spring to go pick it up, so I had to consult my attorney about this. lol Forest can’t gift it to you or he owes the taxes. He can’t know your name or the IRS can subpoena him on it and get it. You better pay your taxes on it, even if you keep it quiet (write anything on the tax form, but pay the money). Tax fraud of this magnitude will get you jail time and you will lose everything you already own on the additional penalties. And there is no statute of limitations on tax fraud. So 15 yrs down the road, you will still be worrying about it. So sleep at good at night and just come forward and get your fame and glory.
        Or, if you just want the gold, then take it and leave the chest and relics behind for a person who would enjoy the fame – even without the gold.

    • I find it really hard to believe Forrest would submerge the chest in water for a whole host of reasons. If you disregard what your interpretation of the clues happens to be and think about what time in water would do to the wood lined chest and some of the possibly more delicate items in it, I think you’ll come to a conclusion that no matter how much your feelings on the meanings of the clues may be, it is extremely unlikely it’s underwater.

      • Agreed. If it’s in a mountain stream or river, it will never last a thousand years; not even close.

      • Those Gold nuggets have lasted 20 million, why not another 1000 years. a 40 lb chest with little surface area won’t budge in a small creek. He choose only items that wouldn’t rot or rust, so it could last 10,000 years in a small creek.

    • Just thought of a great idea. There’s a private owned property up on the enchanted circle that I liked that has a trout pond on it that they stock. What if he knew someone that owned it who was going to pass away…they put something in the land title to cover this? That’s why two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead. I just think that’s an important clue..that saying…. Although like many…I’m not feeling that it’s in water, because he said one piece that could rust is in a zip loc bag and there just is no way that would be ok in the water over time…zip locs are not water proof…so I think that was a clue it’s not where it’s going to get that wet.

      • Stephanie, you are getting close. FF must own some land in the Rocky Mountains that is titled in a name that none of us will ever associate to him. He has obviously made provisions for this land to remain private but open to the public for enjoyment (a private public park maybe). Not sure how he would accomplish that without it becoming common knowledge and then searched throughout within a day. Maybe owned by a perpetual corporation/organization where FF’s involvement will never be known. Do some homework. If I have to lead you to the water, you might just have to sweeten the pot.

        If you looked at the links, I just can’t believe that you didn’t get a good chuckle out of the “bear attacks man” and the “79 year old man bench pressing with an old lady acting as his spotter”. You probably don’t like “30 Rock” and “Seinfeld” either. This could be a deal breaker. Did dal recently steal your humor so that he could smile more in a new picture? I could forgive you if that were the case.

        • No he doesn’t own any land that I’m aware of. I think it was Tony from Newsweek that said in the comments of one of his articles that Forrest didn’t own any land and it could be on Federal, State or Private land. I think he did steal my humor(give it back Dal). No, yesterday was a tough day…I’m working to get back into humorous form. Can you send me a link to your links? I can’t figure out how to find them even from that last post you had. My email is tyblossom at aol dot come.

    • Old Yeller, the owner of private property owns any water courses that cross the property, unless the owner dedicates them to the public. However, the owner must obtain a 404 permit from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers if the owner plans to do anything in a water course that could impede/change water flow in the slightest. I had to deal with the COE quite often when developing private property for clients and when designing drainage improvements, such as bridges, culverts, bank protection, etc while working for a County Flood Control District. So, a creek could still be private property and one might get shot or arrested trespassing, especially if posted.

  46. once removed treasures hunting law says you do not have to disclose where the treasure came from I tell no tells That does not mean someone wont try to come after you for some of it. Or all of it.

  47. old yeller You do have a point there in a lot of places public access is granted for public right aways along the rivers and streams and some are granted just to the highwater mark M.W.

  48. There has to be a spot where there’s a tree with the bark gone or a rockslide or where a fire went threw . yellow stone . ???????????

    • Mark, in one of my so-called clues it said ‘slide’. I found a road in Orilla Verde Recreation area that is called Slide rd., due to the fact there was a rock slide that closed off the road to Taos, from there a long time ago. There was even a huge black rock on the opposite bank that looked with ‘my imagination’ to look like it had an ‘anchor’ carved on it. But I did not find anything.

      Maybe I didn’t look good enuf. 🙁 lol I will have to return someday, or hope someone else sees it if it’s there. I talked with a guy who said he’d caught some nice trout that morning, rainbows. 🙂

      • Kym some of Jesse James signature marks look just like an anchor i have seen them up close and personal.

      • yea Dazed? that is cool 🙂 my son who is 15 did not ‘see it’ , he didn’t agree. lol so it’s in the eye of the beholder is true lol 🙂

      • Did you know Dazedthat Jesse James’ middle name was WOODSON. lol maybe Forrest’s loot is in an old Jesse hideout like hermits rest 🙂

  49. forrest said it better than anyone it’s not about the money It’s about the thrill of the chase.

  50. What do you think about the following:
    Inside an owl hole in a tree
    1. “If you have been wise and found the blaze” – Wise like an owl (you know the saying)
    2. “So hear me and listen good” – Follow the clues but also listen as you near the end b/c owls can be heard where it’s hidden.
    3. “If you are brave and in the wood” – Well some species of owl still live in tree holes, and you must be brave enough to climb up a tree and check the hole
    Maybe he went in there once scoped out the hide and came back a 2nd time w/ treasure and pole spurs(plus when you use spurs to climb it will leaves marks on the tree or as he wrote blaze) to give him the ability as an old man to climb it.

    • Mark,

      I like this a lot. It protects the chest to a certain point, as least as long as the tree stands. Not a thousand years but…
      I also like the connection with “wise” and “listen good” to an owl. “Listen good” is a mystery to me but I think a clue also.
      Once you’ve found the hole you’d have to “look quickly down” in it to see the chest. “In the wood” fits really well. Nicely done. Best guess yet, I think.


    • “Tarry scant” may also be a clue as to the type of tree – Pine – you know pine tar.

    • Hasn’t he said it’s not in a tree but surrounded by trees? In a tree would be a really good place to put it since nobody can “stumble upon it” if it’s up high.

  51. I am starting to wonder just how much the poem references actual landmarks if you only need the poem and a lot of research to figure it out. If it is real landmarks then I do like the idea of looking this from a pilots view point. I’m going to try and look at the poem in different ways instead of trying to match clues to a map.

    I really believe it’s location is more than special to Forrest. If I were to pick a place that I would want to die it would have to be pretty damn nice. This is a place is his travels he came to and found to be spectacular. I think it has a killer view with the sound of water nearby. If he believes the chest and his bones could be there for a very long time it’s not an easy place to find. It may be easy to find the area but I think the actual location is hidden in way that you can only see from a specific direction.

    I don’t believe it’s hidden in either a cave or under water. Neither of these would be affected much by the weather, forrest fires etc which FF says can get to the box. He paid a lot of money for this box believing it would hold up to the elements he would put it under. Also, who would want to die in a cave looking at the walls?

    I lean towards the Yellowstone area for the best possibilities at finding the treasure. This would be the area where he spent the most time exploring as a kid. I can imagine back in his younger days they spent a lot of time exploring the area and found this spot. He may have even put something there as a kid and found that after many years no one had ever found it there and got this idea of his. FF is pretty confident that this place will not be found anytime soon.

    The last clue about the outhouses seems to be more of an instruction than a clue so people don’t dig up structures. I don’t think there would be a structure anywhere near this special place in any case. Seeing what kind of word games FF likes I’m sure there something to use but who knows what it is?

    I am going camping this summer near Yellowstone to take a look around in a couple places that I like. I am looking forward to seeing this beautiful place even without finding the treasure. I live in Colorado so I will see if I can find any good places here to check out on the weekends. Just not sure if any of Colorado really means much to FF except where he got his clovis find from. If you have any ideas you want to share let me know. I’ll split 50/50 of the contents with anyone who has the right place. I would only ask to give back Forrest the bracelet he wants back and I get to keep the box 🙂

    Good luck in your searches and stay safe. Rememer if an 80 yr old man would have a very hard time getting there it’s probably not the right place. Like I said, not hard to get there but hard to find.

    • I am in the Colorado camp for a number of reasons but mostly because that’s where my interpretation of the clues puts me. I think there is a spot between either Texas and Yellowstone or Santa Fe and Yellowstone or Cody that is special to Forrest. It would be along the route he would take to and from either of those locations. A place either his family would stop that he has fond memories of or a place he saw from his plane or would stop on the drive to Cody. This way it’s a place only he would know about. I think he intentionally left any real details of this place out of his book which is why he repeatedly said all you need is the poem. I could go on, but until I have it narrowed down and am on my way to pick up the treasure, I will keep most of my ideas to myself.

      • itsinthebalze,
        I”m with you 100% and for all the same reasons. Race ya. You probably won’t have any trouble beating me to it because the last time I went out I stupidly brought my fly rod and fished the _______ where I have been looking. It’s the perfect time of year right now for hunting though before the melt. See ya on the trail.

      • Stu thanks for the reminder to leave the fly rod at home when treasure hunting, the temptation to put the pack down and ripple the water would be to much. Now CO has a lot of mountains for warm water to halt at and canyons to take down so unless our interpretation of the home of Brown is the same I’m guessing we wont get our lines crossed.

      • Forrest has said you don’t need the book, just the poem. But that the book contains subtle hints. Not clues. Not extra clues, hints that will make some sense in the context of the poem. I have trouble with this because if you are writing your memoir why would you leave out a place that was special to you or had special meaning in your life or death? On the other hand, if you wrote specifically in your memoirs about this place that was special to you, why would you then only say it is a subtle hint and you don’t need to know it to find the treasure? Edward Nigma

    • Kent, you may want to check around Florissant area. There are agate fossil beds there where you can make a plaster pour of fossils and animal prints. Fun for the kids if you have any. 🙂

  52. Heavy Loads, I came up with another possible.. Was watching the weather ch show Prospectors. One was trying to remove a potential rock slide and siad “you don’r unload it from the Bottom” it might slide onto you. ??

  53. I am also doing research into this poem, and wondered the phrase “where warm waters cease” may refer to an area along the continental divide and I appreciate all the above comments about the different interpretations of the poem. I think it will require a lot of soul searching into Mr. Fenn’s own personal experiences and possibly a historical or cultural context for many of the clues. Good luck to all in this interesting quest, which is teaching me, so far a lot about the State of New Mexico. I am from Nashville, Tennessee

    • Kevin Barry
      Where warm waters halt clue I think you have to look back when Forrest first wrote the poem.
      After he wrote the poem he then gave clues like North of SF and then he said its in the Rockies.
      So if you look back, that line at that time meant the Rockies cause he did’nt say the Rockies before the poem was written or in the poem. So did this dawn on anybody else.
      So I can say I think without giving anything away the Rocky mountains are where water halts.
      Comments please.
      Just think if he never mentioned the Rockies or North of Santa Fe when he released the poem it could of been anywhere in the world except something that halts warm water but then afterward he says it in the Rocky Mountains
      I thought this was pretty good thinking but shoot me down from the clouds over the Rockys please.

      • Tim-
        I don’t get it…How does warm water halt at the Rockies?…Tributaries and river systems take all that water to the Gulf and the oceans and the Great Salt Lake…so it does not seem to halt at the Rockies…how does it work in your mind?

        • Dal
          I am no meterologist here but mountains stop air movements because of there size.
          So when like say the gulf air currents travel north from gulf of New Meixo when that air mass hits the mountains it slows down the currents and then halts the clouds and it either rains or snows in the mountains. This is why the mountains get more snow or rain.
          So mountains halt warm water that is in the clouds.
          Remember he did not say not say north of SF or the Rockies till after the poem was written so where warm waters halt could have been anywhere in the world.
          Get what I am thinking now
          We are searching the Rockys not Niagra falls only becase he said so not the poem.
          I think after he wrote it he then realized it was too hard so he had to give us some more or you would be in Africa, or Asia without the hint.
          I only thought of this because I started thinking of big things, he is a magician and he wants you to focus on small things.

          • Tim-
            No meterologist here either…but the water that falls on the mountains is COLD water by my thin skinned experience. The air temp in the clouds where it comes from is not what I would call warm…which is why the rain forms as you pointed out..
            So it seems to me that the mountains might be the place where warm AIR moves upward but I still don’t see it as a place where warm waters halt.

      • Tim is basically correct. Clouds are formed by rising moist air. When the moist air cools to the dew point, the water condenses out of the air to form clouds. Once the water condenses, it generally stops rising. Cumulous clouds appear to go up because warm moist air is rising in their center and condensing at the top of the cloud causing the cloud to grow upward (and outward). When you have the privilege to fly around clouds developing in this manner, at your leisure, and with the express purpose of witnessing it happen, it is a clearly visible process. The idea that “warm waters halt” means condensation in the form of clouds is actually a very sound guess. As good as any other that depends solely on the poem.

      • Tim,

        I believe that your thinking is absolutely a breakthrough. I am not sure how long after the poem was introduced Forrest gave out the clue of the Rockies, but you are right…the poem could have been anywhere in the world before that. He then helped narrow it down with the Rockies hint #1 (which coincides with clue #1). I have always believed that the Great Continental Divide of North America was where “warm waters halt”…and I think Forrest actually gave out the answer to the first poem clue with that hint. I believe the answer to the first clue is “The Rockies”. For those of you that don’t know how that fits, the Pacific is generally thought of as warmer than the Atlantic, and warm, moist Santa Ana Pacific winds blow across the very dry deserts of Nevada and Arizona (where there are no topographical features to make them rise and condense) and then hit the Rockies where that condensation happens in the form of snow, halting the warm water in glacial fields. It is exactly the phenomenon that provided the water for the North American Inland Sea east of the Rockies that Dal wrote about below. I know searchers are hung up on the word “halt” as meaning “stop”, but the most common definition of halt is to stop temporarily, not permanently, and frozen water is stopped temporarily.

        Then comes hint #2…above 5000 ft. I believe that is related to Clue #2 of the poem “take it down in the canyon”. Forrest is expanding on clue #2 to say that the canyon has to be at least 5000 ft up, and don’t follow it down to below 5000 ft. That eliminates a large number of canyons in the Rocky Mountains, and is a huge refinement of the original clue #2 in the poem

        Enter hint #3…all of the structure talk…and clue #3 of the poem “put in below the home of Brown”. Sounds like Forrest is trying to clarify what the home of Brown is with this hint. Study this hint long and hard as I think the key to “home of Brown” is in it. Hint #3…clue #3.

        To expand on Tim’s idea, I believe that Forrest’s hints are also sequential, and meant to help us hone in on very general clues in the correct order, and that hint #4 next month on the Today show will involve a reference to “meek”. By the time we get to the “blaze” hint, I think someone will be very close.

        What I am trying to say is Tim is right,

        • Scott C
          Thanks for responding and it is funny how you can post something that you and I plus Dal thought was a break thru but poeple are still stuck on the other little things.
          Sott since you saw the light can you give me your personal email address and I think I know the answer to the 2nd clue.
          Thanks I thought of this when someone went back and asked again above about the first clue and then it snapped that f gave us the rockies after the poem not before or in it so I was wondering if the poem was the only thing to find places was not the rockies the place he was referring to in the and then he gives it to us, but nobody caught it earlier,

          • He always said the mountains North of Santa Fe. I believe the Rockies came about within a year of the poem and book being released…Curious about this breakthrough…suppose I have to go to the actual blog to see what you guys are talking about lol.

      • Well it seems the interpretation of warm waters halting is no longer a secret. Not saying I thought of it first or anything but once this idea came I have not been able to think of another that explains warm water halting better then the continental divide would. And how about heavy loads and water high? any real thoughts on this floating around out in Dals blog land?

      • Tim,

        E-mail me at crosier11@comcast.net and include your e-mail…I am willing to share much of what I believe with you, because you seem like you are working hard at this, and I sense that you are a good person. BTW, I believe I have the answer to clue 2 as well, wouldn’t it be funny if it was the same as yours?

      • Stephanie,

        So he introduced the hunt and poem and said “North of Santa Fe” at the same time?

      • Stephanie,

        How did Forrest first announce the search and get the word out…never saw that discussed on here? How did you find out about it? Only through the book (of which I don’t have my copy yet)?

        • I know he had a book signing at Collected Works. I first saw him when I searched riddle and treasure or something as I was looking to see if I could find information that sort of idea and I came across his first PBS interview with Lorene Mills. I believe he started all the PR and all around October 2010 and I joined the summer of 2011. Dal I believe went out on his first search in May of 2011 and we weren’t out till the end of July. I believe Dal though heard about it in October 2010..he just didn’t go out right away. He had a web site when I found out about it, but there wasn’t any information on it about the treasure when I joined. I found Dal started a blog I think through google…I believe he started his blog like a month after we were searching. Then Forrest put a resource page on his site. You guys have so much more information than I ever had…None of my searches obviously were ever viable as a solution given the new clues.

      • Tim, I thought Dal said the reason he said N of SF was to deter people from digging in his yard.

        Also I saw a statement that the pacific is warmer thn the Atlantic. Can you elaborate on that because the water tempature in the Atlantic is warmer. Thanks.

      • Tim and Scott I tend to agree. I helped someone study for his pilot test once and a HUGE part of it was all about weather and clouds. So in pilot terms and from that view point I can see that clearly. There are a few things I see that way in this poem.
        Thanks for the detailed explanation too!!

    • Kevin, I’m from Mississippi and my twin boys (24 years old) live in Nashville (Brentwood). I’ve been telling my boys about the poem. My wife and myself and my children @ home have had a good time researching the clues. We have bounced different tangents off the poem and have come to some speculative facts, but also “hard” facts about the poem,

  54. Let me ask a question…

    What is your definition of warm water? Is it any water “not” frozen or is it more like 90 degrees?

      • Wow so then where warm water halts is in the clouds. Oh that narrows it down!! 😉

      • All I have to do is find the right cloud above the home of brown, and I’m golden. 🙂

      • Molly, “I’ve looked at clouds from both sides now from . . . it’s clouds illusions i recall, i really don’t now clouds at all” – Joni Mitchell 😉 JP

  55. so im like a newbie at this im just 18 and i got hooked by this. people want to find a treasure but this is my excuse to find my personal treasure. maybe you might not get it but what im trying to say is that i dont really want whats inside the box i want an excuse to help a dear friend. im going to invite him so he can cheer up its naive but its a good excuse without sounding strange. sorry i just wanted to share this to you all. good luck to everyone in finding the treasure i hope that its not soon so i can scheme my little plan. 🙂

  56. Could the poem be a series of coded starts and stops? Such as, begin – halts; go – cease

    Could where warm waters halt be the faucet? Fawcett? Is that too outside the box?

  57. Apparently, I’m on the verge of “loosing it” it also!  🙂

    “in the wood” – –

    Could be “within the wood”…….Could be “within distance of the wood”

    I’m not a golfer, but isn’t one of clubs referred to as a “wood”?
    Any golfers out there who can tell me average distance a “wood” can drive a ball?

    Serious question, although I’m not quite sure how to use the answer just yet.
    Thanks in advance for any help
    Fred W

    • Fred…I think maybe you should go look for the treasure in a water trap(haha had to ask what that was called)…do they hold trout? I know he plays/played golf…and what hole is his dad at in the photos?

      • nicely put, Steph. My sweet wife of 40 yrs calls me a “blockhead” all the time.
        I enjoy your posts. They have given me a great deal of insight on how to approach solving the puzzle!

        • Thanks Fred…LOL I can tell it’s true love with a nickname like that *smile*…umm, but keep in mind if you hadn’t noticed…I haven’t found it 🙂 So keep a couple grains of salt with you while at the computer…so your not doomed to 18 non productive searches.

  58. Mis-Direction? “from there it’s no place for the meek,” Ok FROM There – does NOT say you go into that place….. it’s FROM there, maybe in another direction ???

  59. Could it be that the latest clue has nothing to do with structures, but “structure”. Perhaps this is Forrest’s way of hinting there is no secret code, anagram, DNA or mathematical ‘structure’ associated with the treasure. The outhouse quip was funny on national TV. He does enjoy offering low-hanging fruit for those eager to grab it.

    • Hi Hemmingway – but in all fairness about low hanging fruit, his Dad did say to grab all the bananas you can! Did you know a phantom can be a fishing lure? I know you like to talk about fishing 🙂

  60. Folks brought this up once before…maybe it’s time to reintroduce the North American Inland Sea theory…
    This has to do with Where Warm Waters Halt…
    So…a hundred million years or so ago there was this inland sea in the middle of North America. The sea was very warm I am told although I never stuck my toe in it. The western shore of this sea was the eastern front of the Rocky Mountains. Could the Eastern front of the Rocky Mountains be the place to begin..????
    If so…what canyon down??

    • My guess is that because a few people have already gotten the first clues right, and I would argue that this is the first clue, I would say that the answer is more straight forward.

    • You might also add that most glaciers and permanent ice fields in the Rockies I believe are on east facing sides.

  61. maybe Black Canyon of the Gunnison, west not east but Ouray Ice Park is cold even in summer. Also to get to it you go below the home of Brown(Santa Fe) and UP Rd. 550 to Colorado and that HWY up there is called the Million dollar Hwy.

    • There is Also Aztec Ruins up that way to stop and see on the way. I also believe that an airstrip is nearby to wherever he put it.

    • You got some kind of spybot on my Google Earth files?? 😉 lol There are some really interesting places up there. Definitely cold and high. Had to go re-refresh my TOPO training to read some of the maps in the area.

  62. Did a little poking around into the legal side of found treasure. Not a lawyer so take this for what it’s worth. Turns out there are many Federal acts regarding Antiquities that mainly cover Native American related items but it would appear that (long story short) if it’s been on the ground less than 40 or 50 years they don’t apply. I confirmed this with a former BLM field office director who used to prosecute pot diggers on federal land. However, states also have laws and he says they vary.

    There appear to be two other categories that cover: embedded treasure, and treasure trove. The distinction here is whether it’s buried (embedded) age also comes into play, or not. On private land embedded finds tend to be split 50/50 with the land owner unless the owner is the government then you are probably out of luck. In the case of surface (non buried) trove or abandoned property, precedence seems to be given to the original owner (regardless of who is landowner) on the grounds that he might have lost or abandoned it involuntarily.

    So what we potentially have is non-embedded treasure (if it really is not buried) and majority rights held by the original owner (FF) who has released claim by cleverly giving title over it to the finder in the poem. It seems unlikely, given his brushes with the law, that he isn’t quit familiar with these basic legal precedents and it appears he may have done his best to help the finder actually stand a chance of keeping it. Not to say that you may still have local and state issues, and you can almost guarantee the feds would still make your life miserable, but maybe there is some hope for the finder.

    • Thanks for that info. Interesting to learn. Hoping I’m the person to have those problems lol.

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    • find it , never take it home, relocate it, write a poem put the poem in a book, sell the book, Treasure intact, I.R.S gets to collect on the millions you make from book sales, and the hunt continues

    • I found the same laws and it seems buried versus non-buried is the key. As for the Forest service wanting their piece, I do not believe they will pursue you. The Forest service is a giant billion dollar corporation located in Wash DC and they do not need the PR headache of chasing you over some legal technicality over a lost chest.
      The laws are clear, if it’s not been buried 50-100 (also depends on state), you keep it. I’m far more worried about the IRS. Anyone who thinks they will just go in piece is nuts. Enjoy the 15 min of fame and the admiration of friends of family and whatever you do – PAY YOUR TAXES. Because no matter what you think, this is too big to be kept a secret and some ex wife, ex GF, or jealous relative will rat you out for the IRS reward on your tax fraud. Then you lose everything, including your previous assets and your freedom as you do 3 minimum for outright tax fraud.
      I want to sleep good at night and not stress over the IRS breaking down my door one day 10 yrs down the road. The Forest service has to sue you, the IRS has enforcement powers and doesn’t. They just take it all, including you.
      If you find it, enjoy the moment and stop worrying about what some random park rangers says. All legal issues will come from DC from dudes making +500k a year who love all the interest this has generated in our national parks. Just play nice, give them the chest to display at some museum and then go on the Today show and meet Forest. At least that’s my plan.

  63. anyone that tries to hide that kind of find will not have an easy time!when or if the treasure is found I am sure that the finder will not be the first to know.just my gut talking there.best to spend more time in the quest planning for that event .my first two times out i failed to score.i am hoping the third is a charm and not “three strikes and you are out”! good luck to all

  64. heavy water= water fall, Brown=Brown trout, warm waters halt=hot springs into deep water pools.also difficult to get to and where is new old spot, guess where this leads to above 5000 feet. I know this, in a box

  65. share share thats fair, gaudalupe box { jemez river }http://www.exposureandfstop.com/flyfishnmn/descriptions/jemezpage.html

  66. This may have been asked before, but I can’t find an answer so I’ll ask. Mr. Fenn said the treasure may be found in a “hundred or a thousand years”, but did he ever say the poem’s clues would remain valid for that long?

  67. People have actully been looking in outhouses? Where warm waters halt = peeing in a outhouse? LOL

  68. Forest said that he knew immediately where he would hide the chest when he came up with the idea for posterity. He says no one will stumble upon it by accident. Can this mean the spot was reviled to him by someone? He says he has been there many times and it has special meaning to him. Question is, has he clamored around this place so many times he happened upon the hidey hole serendipitously? Or, more likely, has he returned to the place again and again because someone very special (OLD Lodgeskins comes to mind) gifted the location to him and he gets a certain spiritual peace there when he returns. In this way, it may not be vast vistas of a prairie below that stirs his thoughts of peaceful, eternal rest.

    I know this has nothing to do with the 9 clues, but some seem to think the way to find the key is understanding Forest the man. To that end, maybe this can be helpful.

    I’ve also tried to spot features on the ground from the sky. It’s not so easy. I don’t believe the hiding place is that big! At least not on the surface.

    I’ve been thinking about the “W” in the frog’s eye I mentioned in “The 9 Clues part I”. It appears to be amphibious by the large feet. Can it be a clue to the waterway indicated in the poem? If so, at what altitude can water frogs survive and reproduce? We know the minimum is 5000 ft. Can this be a clue to the maximum? That could narrow the window some, but I’m just spitballin’ now.

  69. no need to dig up the old out houses… must mean there are some out houses in the area but the treasure is not associated with them

  70. Stephanie, i have a visual clue you might be interested in if you want email me @ ammoboxllc@gmail. I choose you b/c you seem invested in the physical search of the hunt, I’m just mental in all aspects.

  71. Crack this poem in one day did I. A road trip in my future is. Although you may think, I do not lie. Come two weeks the treasure’s his. 🙂

    • Hi JB – did you have any help to crack the poem, or did you discover everything on your own? Good luck in your search.

  72. Gil, I’m not sure what Henry Brown has to do with the clue. He was part of the Lincoln County War and that was way south of Santa Fe. Unless he had a hide out north of Santa Fe, I don’t think it fits.

  73. Hi,

    I have to say that I find the discussion around the continental divide, Rocky Mountains being where warm waters halt interesting. However, in my mind this is just way too broad of clue to begin anything. Forrest made it broad with the Rockies but the next clue gives one a definite place to start.

    Now I am not a big fan of the other contending solution either that it is a dam, although it certainly stops water and is a specific place to start and there will always be a canyon of sorts where the cold water exits the Dam. In that sense I would favor dam over continental divide because it moves towards something a little more concrete (sorry for the pun).

    I think part of the answer in warm waters halt lies in legend and history. I also think that once this part is solved we will still have several places in the Rockies where warm waters halt or have done so in the past. I maintain that the first important clue is warm waters halt.

    Now, the Outhouse (Home of Brown) is a specific marker. Why is this important? Because we have been on a journey – not far but too far to walk. Once again we need something specific to bring us in closer to help us know where to put in. In the end we come to the blaze, it narrows things down for us even more and tells us to look down.

    To me we never get there if there is a broad starting point. Warm waters halt is a specific location – then we are off on a broader/longer trip and we get reeled back in again by home of Brown and finally blaze. Just my two cents here. Maybe it will help somebody figure some things out.


    • John Paul
      It has to be the Rockies only because Forrest told us that it is in the Rocky Mountains after he wrote the poem, he said it is in the Rockies 1 year after he published the poem
      So if you did not have this hint from him and you only had the poem 1 year earlier , the first line if you solved it was the Rocky Mountains,
      Just having the poem where warm waters halt could have been anywhere in the world.
      But with no hints from forrest the answer is the Rocky Mountains, git it?

      • Tim,

        I wasn’t presented that way. Forrest gives us the poem in his book where he say that he hid the treasure in the mountains north of Santa Fe. Therefore he never gave us the whole world as a starting place. He then defines it further by saying the Rocky Mountains and above 5,000 feet.

        However, in the beginning it was north of Santa Fe (only) and begin it “In the mountains north of Santa Fe where warm waters halt.” I think using the CD as a starting place is too broad in my humble opinion . . . The end would never be drawing nigh. 🙂

        • John Paul
          You are correct in saying that North of Santa Fe was stated at the same time the poem was. sorry about that, however the hint that he stated that it is the Rockies came like a year later after the poem
          was released.
          Viper244 explanation is a better way to descibe what I am talking about. It is a hard concept and it took me two years for it to dawn on me but if you think about it long enough there is almost no doubt that that is the answer to clue 1. Just think about how you could solve it if you had no hints from Forrest even the North of Santa Fe one cause I think he wrote the poem and published it then thought if I do not give any hints that put clue #1 anywhere in the world or even with the hint north of SF that is almost like half the world.
          So we need to explain this and I may not be the best to do that but I think most will see that this is correct answe but if not lets talk but move on after a day or two,

          • and he’s always said in the mountains….which pretty much are only the rockies as I’ve learned anyway…so really from day one you would have known that it was in the rockies north of santa fe…I guess it canceled out the black hills and maybe a few other places when he narrowed it to rockies…

      • I think what Tim is trying to say is that even if Mr. Fenn had NEVER told us ‘Rocky Mountains’ it would still be the answer. So if you had found the treasure and worked backwards (by Mr. Tim’s theory) you’d come up with the same answer. So to him Forrest has given us the first clue and it’s time to work on the second.

        I don’t necessarily agree that CD is the starting line for the same reasons you do. It’s kind of like saying 110 degrees longitude. That’s a lot of ground. But then again if he said 110.422603 it really wouldn’t be much of a challenge.

        • Viper244
          I think the answer to clue 2 is take any canyon down but there mabe one that is the easiest to take down to get to Brown or one that is closer to Brown when down or on the correct side where Brown is.
          Do you beilieve that maybe? But it is a tricky direction not really a clue if you know the answer to Brown or the answer to what the blaze is that will tell you which one is the better one to take down.
          However even if you don’t know you must go down a canyon. I know how far but I don’t know how far is enough but I do know where to stop.
          So how now brown cow
          I have a pretty good idea which canyon but I could be wrong.
          If you can get my theory on #1 maybe you can follow me on my theory on #2.
          but you sort of have to know what the blaze is or what I think it is and I think I know but still do not know where specifically the chest is.
          This may make no sense to anyone but to some my #1 doesn’t either.
          But if I told told you the full answer it would give away my new hot spot sorry and again guys my spot
          could be all wrong and if so I will have to go back to clue 2.

      • Tim, I do understand your concept. However, respectfully, it doesn’t work for me. It also seems like you are working backwards with the clues and not consecutive order. You have to know what the blaze is in order to pick which canyon to head down.

      • Tim,
        if you think the Rockies is the first clue, then are you tying that into the first stanza?:)

    • I think part of the problem with the continental divide, as well as any other explanation of “where warm waters halt” is that you can see anything as too vague or too broad. Even if the continental divide is the answer, how are we supposed to figure out exactly WHERE in that area to start? Logically, if we can study the poem and make a logical route with all of the clues, there has to be some specific starting point…more specific than an interesting, but large, area.

      The problem is HOW are we supposed to narrow it down enough to get to that point? Every time I come up with an idea for “where warm waters halt” I feel like there’s always something missing that just makes it not good enough to make a solid beginning point. I keep trying not to MAKE the clues fit any starting point I’ve chosen to look at, but I can’t help feeling like I’m reaching rather than being sure.

      • By the way, that’s not to say CD isn’t a great idea, and maybe that’s it, but does anyone have an idea of how to hone in on a smaller area?

        • Sure-
          There are lots of great ideas from commentors on this post and other areas on this blog and on other blogs like Stephanie’s and Richards. Look around.

      • Jenna-
        There are plenty of very specific ideas spread all over this blog. If you need a good idea You could do a little digging.

      • I think the reason we can’t narrow it does is why it’s so elusive and he knew that’s why it would be difficult as he says.

      • I think you have hit on the crux of the challenge, Jenna. I suspect that when one gets warm waters halt right there is no doubt about it. It just makes perfect sense and we know that we have hit the nail on the head. Until then things just don’t feel quite right. Go with your intuition and imagination!

      • Jenna,

        Have you ever heard of the toy Q20? It was all the rage less than 10 years ago. You thought of something…anything, and this stupid little device would guess what you were thinking in less than 20 questions. It was incredible, and was right around 90% of the time. The basic algorithm just asked the first question so as to eliminate 1/2 of the possible things you could have been thinking of. The next question halved it again, and so on. If you start with say 1,000,000 possibilities, you only have to split the pool in half 15 times to get to about 30 answers. By the time you have split it 18 times you are down to less than 3 things it could be.

        I believe Forrest’s poem is exactly like that. Sure, north of Santa Fe only eliminated about 2/3 of the United States depending on your view of what north is (see a former blog to hash that out), “In the Rockies” cuts that by way more than half again, canyon over 5000 ft. cuts it once again and so on. This poem is the new Q20, each clue of the poem eliminates a big chunk of where you should search in sequential order (only if you get the clue right, but don’t over-think it, the first clues by design aren’t that specific) By the time you get to the blaze which is very specific, there should be a very limited number of places it could be…but only if you have followed Forrest’s path.

        What I am trying to say is that I think the clues start out very general and then get more and more specific reducing your search area again and again. Where warm water halts does not have to take you to an exact set of coordinates, it only has to eliminate a large swath of location possibilities. Home of Brown is the first biggie, and will be the clue that reduces your possibilities to a very manageable number, in my estimation.

      • Although my above comment was the first I’ve made on this blog, I just wanted to clarify that I have done plenty of my own research, as well as gone through the many contributions made by other people commenting on various postings. So I just want to be clear in the fact that I wasn’t expecting anyone to just hand me information or their own hard work or anything poopy like that.

        I think I’ve just gone into super over thinking everything mode, and lost my ability to, as someone stated above, keep it simple. There are many great ideas out there, like dal said, I think that at a certain point I just lost sight of the whole idea behind it: pick a spot that fits, get your butt outdoors, and get with it.

        I also think that part of my trouble is that while I do love a good riddle…which the poem definitely is…I’m a geocacher at heart & it’s been a bit difficult for me to start from the beginning; solving the route that leads to the end, & not being given the route then discovering the treasure. While I haven’t been out to actually search any areas, I do live in AZ, so I’m hoping I can get out there this summer, which I think will help more than the computer…because while the internet has an infinite wealth of ideas and information, I think too much research can send you in too many directions at once and possibly distract from what could be the right answer. I’m also going on a family trip to Utah the first weekend of may, so maybe even though it’s not a search area, it’ll give me some ideas to look into and bring back to discuss.

        So anyway…point was, sorry if I sounded mooch-ish or lazy & not wanting to do my own digging. I think every once in awhile so much information starts swirling in my head that I think OMG I JUST NEED A SOLID STARTING POINT! But then again, that is the point, find your own beginning that fits the first clue, carve out a path according to the next clue, and narrow it down to the end. If it’s not there, start again. (Nice analogy with the 20 questions, btw Scott…perfect explanation 😉 )

    • John Paul
      I recently starting thinking about the clues based on legend. If you picture and Indian chief explaining the “Legend of the Hidden Gold” by saying “being it where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down…..” I can picture them “understanding” what is being talked about. Like there is only one place where warm waters halt, etc… I’m just not sure what the clues are to give the specific starting point. Even if it’s the CD, or a dam, or confluence, how do you narrow it down?
      I know this may seem far fetched, but in a way it keeps it simple and based on history.

      • I don’t think it can have a dam now that structures aren’t associated with it. I’m curious what people think about cemeteries having structures. I mean a gravestone is just one blob of cement or stone…I think a structure is more than one piece put with something else…I like the trails as being the blaze now more than ever….and brown being a trout I think is most likely. Water high would need to be a waterfall or geyser…possibly in water. I like Dals idea of looking at Indian legends.

      • Wow, I like that and it resonates with me imagining an Indian chief saying that, Oakleygirl. I didn’t know that dal had suggested checking out Indian takes and legends, Stephi, but that makes a lot of good research sense too.

      • Hi Stephanie, I am not so sure that structures isn’t applicable to clues in the poem. They just aren’t applicable to the final hiding place for the treasure. I think Forrest simply meant don’t go digging in outhouses because the treasure isn’t hidden a structure. So dam, tombstone work fin for the clues. Kind regards, JP

        • Im not sure either. Is it all natural things? Maybe thats his point. Maybe just the last place.

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          • Steph
            So does that mean we have to go au natural to actually find it
            Put a bandage on that fish tatto first or a it could draw the wrong crowd. If I do that all the poeple will come out of the woods screaming or laughing or both. But then maybe Forrest will buy me some new clothes if it makes national news. i will never be mistaken for the brown though I am as white as a brand new sheet. Also be careful on what you might see at some of the New Mexico Hot Springs cause some are clothing optional

            Fun story for the day: I had a shy guy friend who went just to see what a hot spring looked like in the jemez and he walked up to the springs, just about that time he said this beautiful girl was getting out and he was too shy to look at her, so while glancing off to the side he asked her how deep the hot springs were, and she said it is about up to here, but he was afraid to find out what that was so he still doesn’t know how deep it is. True clean story

          • Steph-
            Maybe he didn’t want to get hammered with bear spray. Or maybe he took one look at your ruck and saw the bloopers and quad-50s and decided to avoid most ricky-tick.

          • Dal, Have you thought about writing a poem and hiding a chest full of gold? That sentence is about just as confusing as “Forrest speak”. My bear spray is hidden in Cimarron Canyon. I think it would be fun if someone found it. I’ll give a hint to anyone reading this…it’s near a rock and it’s near the road.

      • Hi Stephanie, I think Forrest a rather simple down to earth man. He meant what he said directly about the resting place for the treasure. He never even considered that people might think he was referring to every clue in the poem.

      • I posted somewhere, “associated” when speaking of material objects, means to be actually joined or connected . So i’m taking it as the treasure is not joined or even near a structure

    • Hey John Paul hush hush on the home of Brown = outhouses!!! We might be the few who got that.

      Just as a note Brown would be capitalized because that was Fenn is naming it. As into the Blue. Would be perfectly okay to capitalize the B because the name I’m giving the ocean is Blue

      • just FYI…something I thought about. If you get an email from Forrest…he signs them with a lower case f which isn’t correct grammar…maybe it’s a clue about the Brown or the meek.

      • JMC, the funny thing is that the place where I have been “putting in” is right below an outhouse. I didn’t even think about it until he used it in his clue! Isn’t that uncanny?

  74. The person who finds this treasure isn’t going to be any of us but a park ranger or someone working at the park. I guarantee you there is at least one person in every park across NM making a paycheck looking for this. And they have everyday to look. *Cold hard facts*

    • JMC
      I think nobody is going to find the treasure.
      Because maybe it is not in a park.

      • I was just thinking this morning that it has to be in a park. Where else could he GO IN alone that’s not a park and not a structure? A canyon maybe though…but I sort of think it’s a park. I think he knows we’ll have issues if we say anything…and that’s the go in peace part.

          • You had said this…..and that’s when I replied that maybe it is IN a park as he has to be going IN somewhere. JMC I think nobody is going to find the treasure. Because maybe it is not in a park.

          • Steph
            So did he park his nigh horse first or did he leave it before he left the state.

          • so you think it’s in his car alone? Could be..just seems like an odd thing to say that he went into his car alone….seems more like it would be a place.

          • Steph
            I was joking if it comes from nobody it is a joke
            I am still clueless here and I don’t know where it is and if I am wrong I will have to go back to clue 2

          • Steph or Dal
            Do you have any knowledge if forrest was interested in butterflies or has a large butterfly collection?
            Just trying out my CSI theories.

          • I don’t know..that would be more of a question for Dal as he’s interviewed him about things and talks to him daily. I don’t ask Forrest personal questions or chat with him…I just do research online and get second hand info through Dal if I ask him and have never seen or heard anything about that. Sorry

          • Steph
            Thanks for the reply but I am trying to pin (butterfly joke) him down on a specifc thing here and this is a small detail. If by chance f is reading this he is laughing at me for sure on this butterfly point.
            So if that is the case f quit laughing at me but I hope I’m scaring you and scaring you silly.
            I may have to let this fly away though but it was an extinct probability.

  75. John Paul
    okay maybe you don’t have to know the blaze but you certainly have to know where the home of brown is to put in below then do you not.
    So no matter what canyon you come down you still have to find Brown.
    Also thanks to Dal we learned that the Rockies has two definitions to it did we not
    The Eastern^ shore of the sea and then the rain snow effect it has because of its nature.
    To me that is the double entendre

    • Tim, yes, I agree in order for CD to be where warm waters halt you have to work backwards with the clues. So it is logical that if you don’t have blaze you would need meek, brown or another clue because CD is just too broad. However, forest has said that the poem works in consecutive order. Start with the first clue, then go to the next, then find the next one and so on. When they all start to line up then you have something. I imagine one could say follow the clues in reverse consecutive order but I did not hear Forrest say this.

      Please understand, I respect your idea and find it intriguing and interesting. Maybe there is something to it. Like Dal said there are a lot of good ideas floating around here. I am just stating how I see it and what my approach is. Maybe it will help somebody else with their quest.

      However, I need something specific to work with in following the clues, be it landmarks, outhouses, or Indian legends. The spot I am working now is because I started at the beginning and the worked things consecutively until they lined up. I have other places I have begun but couldn’t move on to finding the next clue. In that case it was a dead end for me (at least for now). I do keep looking and will revisit these locations too. Cheers! JP

      • John Paul
        i did not say that I worked backwards to see the Rockies as clue 1, I said I worked time backwards to when the poem was written and when f said it was in the Rockies.
        You almost have to know where Brown is because no matter where you are you will have to put in below the home of Brown. So even if you don’t know what or where that is but you have a general idea where it might be, then just take it in the canyon down to get to it no matter what canyon that is.
        take it in the canyon down is a direction from somewhere in the Rockies. If you know the CD is the start there are some characteristic of the Rockies that have been already mentioned here to which side to start taking it down. So find those references
        and throw out the outhouse but keep the other two.
        Again maybe but not pie in th brown sky. Just nobody thinking here and throw me out with the outhouse if you like. because maybe I am full of it just like the outhouse hole.
        I will not be hurt if you disagree.
        Thanks for the jibber jabber.

      • What did you mean when you said,

        “If you can get my theory on #1 maybe you can follow me on my theory on #2.
        but you sort of have to know what the blaze is”

        That seems like one is working backwards.

        • John Paul
          I do not think you need to know what the blaze to work the poem up or down
          I think you have to have at least have a good guess what Brown is however.
          So when I worked #1 The Rocky Mountains I went to #2 and sort of thought of a simple reason
          why you would have to take the canyon down but it took some time and what that meant I think.
          If I really tell you more it sorta spills my beans
          I wish I could tell you more but all I can say and i have said this before I think you have to think of big things like the rocky mountains being the warm spot and not some little waterfall and that goes for the rest of the poem. And doing that I think might help plus learn more about Forrest as well.
          If you are ever in Albuquerque and I get to visit with you and I know I could trust you I could spin you a good story about where I think it is and why and where I will probable not find it. But it makes alot sense and I am off to visit the wizard of fenn this weekend.
          I promise to be safe driving and searching. and not to spent to much money.
          This is what I hope you will do to this weekend as well
          Happy Good Friday

      • Tim,

        Ok, I think I understand what you are saying: you have #1 putting you in the Rocky Mountains and #2 is a canyon out of many thousands you selected based on your thoughts about what is Home of Brown. Good luck to you this weekend and have a fun visit with Forrest!


    • Hi Tim – actually, I am very interested in your butterfly question and would like to know the answer myself. Would you care to clarify it further?

  76. Forrest said the person who finds the treasure will have studied and analyzed the poem, and something to the effect that he will then move with confidence. Meaning, to me, that the approach of trying immediately to relate a clue line to a geographic place and then go looking there simply won’t work. I think a thorough analysis on the poem will result in a dead giveaway, without all the guessing. He said something to that effect.

    There are a few anomalies in the poem worth considering.

    1) There are three lines in the poem that are not 8 syllables. (lines 2, 3, 7) It would have been easy to make line 7 have 8 syllables by starting with “Not so far…” for example. Why did he leave that line at 7 syllables? Are we supposed to notice something special about those lines?

    2) Everything rhymes except lines 5 and 7. Halt and Walk don’t rhyme exactly. Why? Is this significant?

    3) Punctuation in very peculiar. It may not be random. On line 10, why did he use a semi-colon? Other places in the poem might just as easily have used a semi-colon, and this line could easily have had a period. Is there something here we are supposed to notice? Often he uses commas where a period would be more appropriate. Why? Did he do that to ensure there are exactly 9 sentences? If so, then that whole stanza might give just one clue, instead of 3 or 4. (meek, paddle up your creek, heavy loads, water high) Is only one of these a good clue, the rest to just throw you off?

    4) Brown is capitalized but meek is not. Joe Meek has been thought of as a clue but is it? Must Brown be a family name?

    Anyone else having thoughts along these lines? What else stands out?

    • As to the two possible names Brown and meek. Maybe he’s proving that you only have to be right 85% of the time….maybe Brown is actually a trout and meek is actually a name…just throwing that out as an idea.

    • hunts4deer
      I’m not sure if counting syllables is important, just to add numbers to the mix. I’ve seen where people are trying to use numbers to find coordinates or lat/longitude lines… however, he’s said you don’t need a map. What good would having numbers do most of us without a map? I wouldn’t have a clue as to what is located at a certain lat/long without a map. In my opinion, I’m not sure the clues are that complicated or coded with numbers. Just my opinion and trying to keep numbers out of it at this time.
      I do think it’s odd that halt and walk are the only two non-rhyming words he used. They must be important or there is a specific reason he chose those words. Can you think of other words that would mean similar things and still rhyme? Maybe this was a close as he could get to have the meaning he really wanted to convey. (?)
      Not sure about the punctuation piece. I’m not that skilled in poetry to know if there is significant meaning to that.
      The whole Brown/meek thing, I would never have considered questioning capitalizing them or not capitalizing them until someone else brought it up. I keep reading that he took his time writing this, so I’m not sure if he would have chosen to represent the words in a way that would trick us. Unless he thought the poem was too easy and this would throw people off. (which it is certainly doing) He never said to change the words, the syllables, look for a code, etc… just follow the poem in order.
      To me keeping the poem simple means reading the words and taking them at face value and as he wrote them. Granted there are several interpretations to what the phrases could mean, but that’s where the thinking comes in.
      I really need to keep reminding myself that over-thinking may just make this more complicated than it needs to be.
      Not sure this helps, but you are looking for opinions. 🙂

      • Stephanie
        I agree. Going with the legend or nature version of the poem would certainly be a way of keeping it simple and timeless. I wish there was a “like” button like fb for comments! 🙂

        • Thanks Oakleygirl…just sort of wonder if it is a story(maybe about the SFT, CD, OST or Indian legend your following if not a map…and maybe that’s why the chapter on literature in his book. That’s a pretty wide idea…so I don’t know. I wrote a blog about books and his poem. I don’t know of a book that would have all the answers to it though.

    • hunts4.. i’m no writing expert but decided i should look up uses for the semi colon.. and my understanding is it differentiates two or more points in a sentence.. therefore i believe stanza 3 is at least 3 clues.. of course it can be used to entend short choppy sentences as well.. thanks for making look though, i really hadnt given it much concern..

    • based on punctuation “begin it where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down, not far, but too far wo walk.” is a single directive. Also, based on punctuation, “From there it’s no place for the meek, the end is ever growing nigh; there’ll be no paddle up your creek, just heavy loads and water high.” seems to be describing a singular spot. The semicolon would be used to join two closely related points… reinforcing that you have found the right spot. A period inbetween the two statements would indicated directives; I feel that these clues are descriptive in nature. The “X”?

      • Hemmingway
        That is very good and yes some of the poem is direction and the other places
        Are you an English teacher because I need someone to teach me how to spell and I if I can’t spell puntuation is way beyond my capabilities.

        • Hemmingway
          Thanks twice being of that occupation and knowledge because of that I am well feed with food and punctuation.
          Did I spell punctuation correct, what happened to Spellchker?

    • I will not say that the imperfect rhyme isn’t a clue of some sort, but as a poet who enjoys writing in rhyme I will say it’s common to use slant rhyme. I hate to use it and pride myself on being able to find alternate words that are a perfect rhyme, but even I have been forced into it on rare occasions. There are times there just isn’t a better option when you need to convey certain thoughts. So I would say that even if that rhyme it’s self is not a clue that it is a hint that one of the lines is important. Since we have already been told that “Begin it where warm waters halt” is where we need to start, we know that line is important. IMO if he was giving a clue by not rhyming that one as well as the others then it was simply “This is important, start here!”

    • hunts4deer-
      The Brown/meek theory could have some importance, since as Steph pointed out, Forrest signs his emails with lower cased letters. Could it be that the capitalization should be switched? As always, pure speculation.

    • Begin it where warm waters balk, and take it in the canyon down, not far, but too far to walk. Put in below the home of Brown. Do balk and halt mean the same thing. Could have easily rhymed that one, so yeah, why not?

  77. I think Forrest has successfully made everyone chase down clues that they think they can can find online by capping brown or not capping meek. What if the rest of the clues can only be identified with being in the right beginning. If the end game is in some in a tranquil place of beauty that he would go to by himself, then most likely none of the clues everyone is coming up with would work. He’s told us whats needed to crack the poem but everyone continues to try and work it from the middle or backwards. Again, I don’t believe we will know what the rest of the clues will be until we find the correct starting place, then the rest of the clues will start to make sense. How else could you make this last for years, if it were clues tied to places or people, we would find this treasure relatively quick with all the data and smart people out there. Just my 2 cents….

      • Well, an anagram for marvel gaze is gravel maze. But maybe it isn’t significant; he just needed a word to rhyme with blaze.

      • howdy tim.. hey i liked your conversation above on the rockies.. very interesting.. did I read you’re going hunting this weekend?? stay away from spot man! :0

        • Casey
          Yes but I know I will not find it but I need to get an idea where in that area it may be.
          I love you bro, can we at least have a broship?

      • absolutely.. lol.. you’re a good man.. perhaps we’ll meet up someday. have fun and gl out there..

      • Definitely on my list, It is quite possible that some of the obvious clues may not be clues at all, just more misdirection. I know a lot of people think they have the 9 clues down, but I think there’s a lot of misinterpretation. I think (wise) could be a very important clue. We’re up against 12 yrs of perfection and 82 of life experience. How do like those odds???

      • Hey Hunts4, where did you get gravel maze? cuz I found some rds that are really a maze to get to river on map?
        I also found that if you really take the word in and actually place it below the home of brown like in newspaper games, my mind turned it into ‘row in below the home of nut bp, b—n?
        dunno, but what if there were actually a boat or canoe to “”borrow” and then put back to get you to side creek that you hike up? may be reaching and I’ve been accused of ‘reading too much into things’ but hey it really does work for me sometimes lol

    • Slope-
      I agree with you about chasing random clues. In my opinion, there’s a strong possibility that the starting point may not be found in common databases. Where warm waters halt could be a landmark that can’t be searched or seen from google earth and someone on an afternoon hike might have a better chance stumbling across it than those of us sitting at our computers. His mission was to get people enjoying the outdoors, after all. That being said, it’s difficult to discredit theories that haven’t been tested. Just because they have no meaning out of context does not mean that they’re not important.

      • Zach, I don’t mean to discredit any theories because they do assist one in thinking down another path they haven’t thought of yet. I just think if everyone put as much effort into figuring out the first two stanzas as they have trying to figure the rest out, we would all have a better ideas of where to start. I don’t know how many times FF has been quoted follow everything in order and stay simplistic.

  78. Has anyone look at the clues like this;

    #1 Begin it where warm waters halt
    And take it in the canyon down,

    #2 Not far, but too far to walk.

    #3 Put in below the home of Brown.

    #4 From there it’s no place for the meek,
    The end is ever drawing nigh;
    There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
    Just heavy loads and water high.

    #5 If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
    Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
    Just take the chest and go in peace.

    #6 So why is it that I must go
    And leave my trove for all to seek?

    #7 The answer I already know,
    I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.

    #8 So hear me all and listen good,
    Your effort will be worth the cold.

    #9 If you are brave and in the wood
    I give you title to the gold.

  79. I’ve really enjoyed the research so far and will soon be checking a few locations in the next few weeks. I have always enjoyed mysteries, riddles, and especially the outdoors. I’m glad Forrest has inspired others to get outside and experience something new. I’ve had fun and success on a few scavenger hunts as a backcountry guide in the mountains of Colorado. Hopefully everyone out there will search lightly and respect the beauty of the land.The poem has been on my desktop for about a month now. I look at it for a few days, then take a few days off to let it simmer. I’m on my second big “Aha!” moment and when you get it, the poem will align and come together. It has to do with something that Forrest has not accomplished in his life…that’s where you’ll find it. Safe and happy hunting! PS- Nice blog, Dal.

  80. I’ve seen lots of references to Mr. Fenn saying the treasure is in the Rocky Mountains, but are they actually written by him? There is a big difference between “the Rocky Mountains” and “the rocky mountains”.

    • Tekoa, I asked the same question previously in The Nine Clues. dal settled the question by posting the contents of an email that he received from FF. FF wrote “Rocky Mountains”.

  81. For what it’s worth. We had the chance to talk to Forrest a while ago. The topics were wide and varied. One thing sticks, that I think is important for all of us to remember. He told me that I should give the poem to my kids. They’d likely find it for me. In other words, don’t make it more complicated than it is. Continental divides, inland water, outhouses, meteorlogical events – all complicated. Just my two cents. Good conversations though. I enjoy reading everyones take on the clues.

    • Chad,

      I’m complete agreement with you, its so simplistic that it seems impossible.

  82. I’m still thinking the home of Brown clue is the keystone of this poem. With Brown being capitalized makes it a proper noun meaning it is the name of a person, place or thing. I think it would have to be someone fairly famous since FF has said he doesn’t care if the treasure is found in his lifetime. Thoughts?

    • Mike
      I had a good laugh when trying to answer that question on a place for Brown
      You may get no responses or any good answers to that for 3 reasons

      1: Anyone that knows or thinks they might know will not answer because it will give away their search location or has some sane reasoning what it is and does not want to spill the beans
      2: The rest will not know the answer and will not know what to tell you
      3: Somebody that can’t read or is not reading the blog never knew you ask
      So I thought I would answer without an answer to let you know that.
      Now if you get an answer it is more probable that someone is not correct because of reason #1.
      So pay attention to the silly ones and have more fun

      • Hi Tim Nobody. Are you the same searcher as the other Tim? If nobody finds the treasure, I want to know which of you that is!

        • Lisa
          Yes because I have a split personality and I only recently discoved this myself
          So I had along talk with nobody and nobody knows this too
          They both are bad spellers and don’t use proper puncuation so that is a clue that they are the same,
          When you see nobody post I am not aware of it but it will be silly and make no sense.
          When you see me without nobody that is the true me and that post is serious for everybody.
          Sorry for the confusuion but I just can’t help nobody.
          Now if we find the chest me and nobody can maybe get the therapy nobody needs.
          If Dal wants nobody around he needs to email me and tell me to kill nobody
          and he will be gone but I don;t know what happens to me then.
          Hope nobody offended anyone and if anybody or somebody does not like nobody
          also let me know and he will not be nobody no more,.
          Thanks but just call nobody silly and stupid but not me

      • Hi Tim (etc.,etc.,…) – do you think anyone else will admit to having multiple personalities that are posting on this blog, or are they all just you? 🙂

  83. Dal or Steph,

    I would like to get some clarification that has not been discussed that may or may not assist with the clues. Do you know if Forrest discovered this place prior to being diagnosed with cancer?

    • I don’t know for fact, but he’s said this idea came to him when he had cancer and knew were to secret it and that place was very special to him. Thats all from his memoir. 

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        • I think it had to be the way that was written. He said he thought of all this when he had cancer….so he knew the special place in my opinion.

          Sent from my Samsung Galaxy™ S II 4GTHRILL OF THE CHASE wrote:Respond to this comment by replying above this line New comment on THRILL OF THE CHASE slope66 commented on THE NINE CLUES….Part Two.

          in response to Stephanie:

          I don’t know for fact, but he’s said this idea came to him when he had cancer and knew were to secret it and th

    • slope-
      I cannot say for certain. I have not heard him say. When that direct question was asked he answered a different question. I have my own opinion but only hearsay to back it up. Another way to answer that question would be if we knew when he wrote the poem. He has told me and others that he originally wrote the poem when he had cancer and then refined it when he decided to hide the treasure years later. Then he said that the line originally read something like:
      Leave my bones, just take the chest and go in peace.

      How much of the poem was changed we do not know. Again I have my opinion but no facts.

      • Its too bad we can’t substantiate that information but its definitely conceivable that he knew about this place prior to his diagnosis which would rule out a lot of misdirection with some clues.

  84. I asked the kids “Where Warm Waters Halt” and they sed the bathtub. So in that line of thinking…
    canyon down is the drain.. the home of brown is the sewage plant…. no place for the meek, that it is, ect ect yea all get the idea.

    • desperado88
      Did he say kid or kidding or being like a kid
      So maybe he is saying be silly and and look at the poem being a pun
      and not some serious thing.
      I’m just kidding of course and I always thought no place for the tarry scant and marvel gaze was Donald Trump’s outhouse.

    • I was thinking exactly the same thing. Heavy loads and water high, sewage. No place for the meek, because of the alligators in the sewer. Up sh*t creek without a paddle. I could go on and on, HHAHAHAHAHH

  85. Wanted to know how people are interpreting the new clue Forrest gave with regards to the “Digging up Outhouses” and the treasure not relating to any structures. Obviously he means its not buried under a structure, but are people thinking, that entire poem has no relation to a structure.


    • “Not far but too far to walk” is that to say this directive clue has nothing to do with a structure? If it does then we all better learn to ride horses and bring an extra bucket of oats. 😉

  86. Ok. I’ve been thinking about this for a while. I have tried other angles, literary references, historical references, and to me the answer must be more simple. Occam’s razor if you will. The poem has clues imbedded in it. Forrest says 9 but that is somewhat irrelevant as long as they are all included in your interpretation. He says they are in order. Why? because they are probably directions. He says that you don’t need a map. Why? because you already have one. These words are used or inferred in the poem:
    left (nigh) and maybe left again (ever)
    look or turn around (like a wise owl)
    look down
    in (the wood)
    Correct me if I’m wrong but these are all directional words. As much as Forrest probably loves the fact that folks are reading up on ancient history I believe that the clues taken at their directional face value are hard enough or someone would have found it already.

    • Stu, lol when I read the way that is set up ,I thought of square dance calling. LOL But, alas, I looked up calls and couldn’t find anything that says under Brown or go round like an owl. 🙂

      • That’s funny. I was thinking, do the Hokey Pokey and turn yourself around…. Ha

        • Nolly B.
          If you go around in circles why would anyone call it square dancing?

          • Does this poem remind anyone else of

            Now I lay me down to sleep
            I pray the Lord my soul to keep
            If I should die before I wake
            I pray the Lord my soul to take.

            Same meter and syllabification……

            quest to cease reminds me of soul to keep
            I think I might be losing it

            BTW I live in New Mexico a very short ways from Santa Fe – go there all the time – very familiar with it and surrounding areas……

  87. FF said the poem contains 9 clues. It contains exactly 9 sentences. And it contains exactly 9 verbs that tell us to do something. I don’t think those are coincidences AT ALL. What do others think?

  88. I know that folks do not like to discuss the issues of ownership concerning where the treasure might be located and there has already been some pretty decent backgound info concerning this and the potential pitfalls that might result if found in a Nat’l Park, State Park, Private land etc., My apologies for bringing it up again, but Forrest indicated he has thought of everything, and I am wondering what you all think and how it might play out legally if it were to be found on an Indian Reservation. I believe Indian Reservations are pretty much their own sovereign countries for the most part.

  89. Okay, a new interpretation of First Stanza, First Sentence, and possibly First Clue?

    Whilst I have gone alone within a certain location
    and in spite of my location’s attributes being conspicuous,
    I know how to keep my location secluded,
    and of a chest containing a cross section of my opulence.

    I believe FF has said: The place is in the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe. The place is dear to him. It is above the 5,000 foot elevation. An 80 year old man was able to take 42 pounds of fortune to the hiding spot. The spot is not under an outhouse.

    The rest of the poem might help identify his secluded place.

      • Thanks for the encouragement slope66. I could get more detailed and maybe you would consider me closer yet. But as most, I try to keep certain specifics for myself.

        • Lol, never … I think we’ve been looking at the poem as one dementional. We’ve think more outside the box while staying simplistic…

    • Another interpretation for the Second Stanza, Second & Third Sentences.

      Embark on your chase where a tepid stream stops
      and take your chase in the valley below,
      not far away, yet not easy enough to hike.
      Request for a location nearby/beneath the habitation/dwelling having to do with Brown.

    • Another interpretation for Third Stanza, Fourth Sentence.

      From your location your chase will be no environment for those lacking in courage or are weak,
      your objective is pulling you incredibly close;
      no need for an oar or swimming going up your selected stream,
      just plan for considerable discouragements and trouble.

    • Another interpretation for Fourth Stanza, Fifth Sentence

      If you have been informed about a particular matter and you have come upon my glistening chest,
      direct your eyes promptly below, you chase is to come to an immediate end,
      but stay the least possible time perusing the beauty,
      just grab the chest and leave quietly.

    • The Fifth Stanza, Sixth & Seventh Sentences, seem straight forward.

      Another interpretation of the Sixth Stanza, Eight & Ninth Sentences

      So heed me searchers and understand,
      your endeavors will be valuable to you despite disappointments.
      If you are audacious and looking in my wood lined chest
      I transfer ownership of the riches over to you.

    • I am not quite sure how to state this, but I will try.

      The chest might be hidden on land in the Rocky Mountains that FF has secret control over. The land is in a valley/canyon downstream of a reservoir/lake (dal’s dam theory) which is filled by a stream warmed by hot springs. The land probably has a stream traversing it. The land is possibly a fishing lodge with cabins/campsites rented to the public. It possibly might have equestrian facilities, equestrian trails, hiking trails, and possibly even a landing strip. All things being dear to FF.

      The land could be managed by a tightly controlled perpetual trust/foundation/non-profit that most likely will be viable for many many years.

      Whether here or elsewhere, a person needs to be aware of legalities prior to finding the chest. I think that FF hints of this in his poem. Searching the internet gets confusing.

      • Good point. I’ve only read that he doesn’t “own” any other land…no one said he hasn’t rented some under a trust name. I mean it’s not something that would be good for 1000 years, but would give him some control of it now. Could he do something like that without anyone else realizing it though?

      • I did a lot of searching and found some land that is indirectly associated with him. The property adjacent to it is the BLM’s.

      • D&C, are you referring to his San Lazaro property, or some other property in the Rockies?

      • Stephanie, If his attorney that helped him at the time has passed away, or he became so legally smart that he did it all by himself. It seems to be that he hinted in his poem that he knows how.

      • Keep perpetual foundation and/or perpetual non-profit corporation in mind too. Which would keep FF involvement the most secret. Also, the chest might not be on land that FF has control over. Only my opinion that it might be.

      • Dollarbill, what would you think if i told you i found a property that is a match to your post today at 5:55 ? Would you consider it a strong contender as the resting spot for the chest ?

      • DB,
        It is very likely that FF had this location picked out prior to getting diagnosed. Even if it was located after he got diagnosed before he even thought about having a treasure hunt, the clues would more then likely be identified once you’re were there. If we try and stay simplistic (good luck) then this special spot must be such a serene location that either this would be the place to die some day or this was his go to spot to ponder about life or dealing with cancer. In any event, the probability that he could tie in significant clues that one could find doing research would be incredibly challenging. I think if we believe that this is the type of spot that one who’s loves nature would come to die at some point the question we should be asking, is how did he come to find this spot. Was it a fishing trip, archeology hunt, flying through a canyon and marking it with GPS. Some will say we may never know why its important to him but if he’s the only one who knows of then how many reason could one come up with to why its so special….Obviously there is a road close to this spot that gives him access. Your thoughts?

      • D&C, first I say email me and tell me all about it. If you won’t do that, then I say that I think it might just be worth serious consideration.

      • slope66, I think that it is very likely to have a road to it. I also think that a few people might be using the place as a summer time vacation spot.

  90. The Only place in the Rocky mountains where ANY water actually HALTS is right on the very top of the continental divide… everywhere else it either moves east or west.

  91. Where warm waters halt could actually be rephrased to When warm waters halt…perhaps this chest is only exposed After irrigation season? If its in a location that is only exposed part of the year, that would take thought and planning to retrieve. Just a thought i haven’t seen here yet.

    • Mike D,

      In one of the interviews Mr. Fenn gave, not Dal’s but I don’t remember specifically which one, he said the person would have to do some planning to find the chest. I thought about what you just mentioned, but it also could be due to snow covering it.

      If I remember correctly Mr. Fenn was talking about a person needing to solve the clues in the poem and do some planning. As usual, there were no specifics. It’s been awhile since I watched it though.


    • and if it is in the weather, the bronze is going to change color and you will not be looking for a brown color but a green one, making it blend with the forest, or moss, or vegetation even better.3 years is a long time to weather and age.

    • When does irrigation season stop in N.M., CO., etc. I mean some of those acequias flow all year, many are several hundred years old. Folks that do use them for crops rotate their use as per the mejor domo from planting to harvest. No?

      B. Slim

    • It’s not in water. FF has said it is exposed to sun and snow and could be scorched by a wildfire

  92. Mike D,

    I believe you are correct at the halt point being at the top of the mountains. When the snow melts things shut off completely. Every place I have examined follows this principle. Where you “put in” below the home of brown is a separate matter. At times the warm water can be from a hot spring, or turn in to an arroyo at the other end of the spectrum. Start at the top and work it in the canyon down. Many, many spots, if not all follow this principal.

  93. Ok, I have some more thoughts here about another part of the poem and am wondering what others might think. It concerns the instructions to “put in”. I am trying to better understand what that means regardless of whatever is the home of Brown.

    I know that the term put in means to spend a certain amount of time at or to call at a place. It was often used as a nautical term in ship sailing days when a ship would make a call at or “put in” at a harbor or bay. I think it can also be used when flying an airplane. Many terms crossed over from nautical ships to air ships. Both are using water in one of it’s particular forms. A sailing ship actually uses load displacement but also lift where the sail is the same shape as an airplane wing and creates lift or pull/push due to pressure displacement.

    So when I come to the phrase put in, how do I interpret that? Does it mean that I am already “at sea” and have put my journey at rest by putting in? Such as, let’s put in for the night. There is a sense that the putting in is for a certain amount of time only for the journey to continue at a later date.

    Therefore, if I am on a river in a canoe or flying an airplane and “put in” would I, in that case be landing? I am curious because it could also be the point where I put in a canoe to begin a water voyage. It seems to me that the poem says, put in below the home of Brown. Is that instructions to begin a journey or to take a break and spend some time at a specific location? It would seem by it’s placement in the poem that the treasure is not by the home of Brown but somewhere else and therefore perhaps, regardless of the type of putting in, the journey continues?

    Perhaps there is additional information at the home of Brown that we put in for a spell to get?

    I am wondering what others think.


    • Fenn has flown into places. He has even said he has landed in open areas, not considered airports.

      • I’m not sure if Fenn has flown anywhere for some time. I did some research available via public record and there is currently no active pilots license for FF.

        • He doesn’t…but I believe he’s related to other pilots.

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    • I think it means once you find the home of Brown that is where you start your journey to the chest. I like the idea of simplest explanation is usually correct.

      • Did anyone notice that all Stephanie’s posts are on her cell phone again? Is she out West again?!?!

        • LOL Molly…..I need to figure out how to get that off there…I’ve tried…I don’t know why it says Thrill of the Chase either. Bonnie has even seen what tower I ping off of….I think that was through when her and I talk through facebook though. I think I should get an award of some kind as “the most chased” in Forrest’s game…. I’m home in Chicago…was at my girlfriends house tonight hanging out.

    • John Paul,
      To “put in” is also a rafting term used on rivers in the west. It simply means to start there. Put your boat in the water there. As to “take out” means your ending spot on the river. I’m not saying Forrest is implying we use a boat, he is just using the term. I think it more likely related to this than ships at sea as we are pretty far inland here and talking about river banks not ports.

    • “Put in” I my experience, is used in white water rafting. It means were you put your raft in the river at the begining of the trip. Interestingly there is a Browns landing raft “put in” just above Marble canyon on the Colorado river. Named for a guy named Brown who drowned there during early exploration of the river. Dead guy in the river….home of Brown.

  94. All of the clues essentially make sense to me and fit my targeted search area, except for one which is really bugging the hell out of me. That is “look quickly down”. This is a directive instruction in a poem filled with few directives. Why quickly? Why insert this word. Just imagine the excitement anyway at this point if one has made it this far(and seen the “blaze”), knows they are close. What in Forrest’s mind would create such an urgency, or is this some play on words? Ideas?
    Good luck to all in “the Chase”.

    • I took that as a non-clue. He was just saying to look down and you will see the chest. Like it was hidden under something.

    • Hi, I still see the blaze as being the treasure. You’ve been wise and found the treasure now look quickly down at it for a while but don’t hang there for too long – just take the blaze and go in peace.

      • John Paul
        No explaning here but just a question?
        If we start with the first clue clue and get a big answer The Rockies, do you think the last clue should not also end with one that is big, Sort of like a best selling movie. or fireworks instead of a liitle blaze on a tree? Of course the final ending is getting the chest or finding true love in the movie
        Also what happens after the chest is found if it is found, how could it continue to be a story afterward maybe not a big story as it is now but some kind of story and not just the story it was found because that could fade away. I think forrest wants it to continue on after it is found. Like remebering your favorite movie and but also remembering where you saw it. So if It was found under an outhouse in some remote canyon who would remember that except maybe it was found somewhere but people could not remember where it was found

        To me this is just as important to think about as the poem itself and may help solve it.
        You do not have to answer if you do not wish but just casting my question line.

      • HelloTim, if I was ever so lucky to find the Treasure I know what I would do with it and it would be a continuation of the story so to speak. I would first make sure my daughter gets a great education. Second, I would start my own art gallery in Santa Fe. Third I would continue making art supported by the gallery sells and maybe what is left from the blaze. Cheers, JP

    • To me it means that as soon as you can see the blaze, or catch sight of the blaze, look down. Not walk directly up to the blaze and then look down. You may be able to see the blaze for yards before you could actually reach it. Look down as soon as you can see it. IMHO

  95. Land of Enchantment!
    I became a prisoner.
    not in New Mexico,
    but in my computer.

    Oh! had I not gone in there.
    rather, with someone as witness,
    Events I will now share.

    My thoughts led me to a stream,
    The trout spoke to me
    as in a dream.

    “We can go no further with you,
    must go alone.
    For the water warms,
    keep turning every stone.”

    Then, I met a turtle, 
    he too could talk!
    “where now?” I ask
    He said…”not far, but too far for me to walk.”

    the canyon down…
    A cave!
    sign above simply said-

    On an easy chair
    a great bear.
    As if falling asleep, his head to nod.

    Suddenly, his eyes wide open
    Looked straight at me and said,
    “you’re new in town!
    I’m not sleeping,
    Just looking quickly down.”

    “Advise my journey!” I plead.
    He said “to a bear you appear meek,
    This places you without paddle and up a creek!”

    I ran from the cave,
    Met a wise old owl
    Named Dal.
    Morning sun come over the rim,
    The canyon was a blaze!

    Dal said-
    “to the meadow below,
    There you will find two doe.”

    “I am Teri’s aunt
    And she be Mabel Graze”
    said the first.

    “kind sir, might you help us with laundry?”
    She asked.
    “as our loads are heavy and water high.”

    “sorry, but I must go. 
    for it is trove I seek 
    And have no answers
    I’m growing weak.”

    I stumble over wood,
    And fall in cold.
    “I’m no good, 
    I’ll never find the gold!”

    My end was drawing ever nigh,
    then appeared an old man.
    I cried “help me if you can!”

    “I been watching you” he growled.
    “And I hear your groan,”
    then he smiled,
    And handed me a poem….

    • Horatio – have you always felt you were born 100 years too late? I know someone else who enjoys writing poetry and stories that sound a lot like yours. I will get right on it 🙂

      • Thanks to all of you for an amazing and enlightening ride. I appreciate everyone on the Chase and what you have done for me. See you in 100 years! 🙂

  96. “Put in” means where you start after following the canyon down either on google earth or a map.

    “look quickly down” is to find your own chest or the one in your hands if you are Forrest and still carrying the chest to the final placement point which could be States away from where you currently stand.

    Now “go in peace”


    • Ok, but I am in a canoe going down through a canyon – not following a canyon on google earth or a map. Or I am flying an airplane above a canyon until I land at the home of brown and his airstrip?

      Do I put in for a while to begin again or are you saying that I skip the canyon and go to some spot I think is the home of brown and begin the journey from there?

      Maybe home of Brown in that case would be a shortcut. But what if there is a reason for putting in for a time or spell at the home of Brown before continuing? I guess maybe it doesn’t matter. I have gotten this far, to the home of Brown, so hang out for a while and then look around before continuing on.

      • If you are running a river , like rafting down the Grand canyon, the “put in ” is the place you first enter the river. the “take out ” is the place where you take the rafts or whatever out of the river and go home. hope that helps…. I don’t have a clue about your plane question .///bob

  97. John Paul,

    I believe you can hang out at the home of brown or home of Brown as long as you like if you need a rest. I also believe that if you are in a canoe you are in the wrong place. If you “put in” with a canoe at the home of Brown posted on this website a while back you would have some serious up current paddling to do before arriving at the desired “put in ” spot still below the home of Brown that you can drive very close to in summer or hike to (which I did last week) in winter. Oh, and here is the kicker in my opinion, you will encounter many homes of Brown or brown whichever to your liking before you finish this quest. Here is another tidbit for you John Paul. In ironic fashion, I believe you can navigate your way through this enitire quest from your Lazy Boy recliner with ipad in hand which is the antithesis of what Forrest states as the purpose of this adventure.


      • John Paul,

        Someone had posted earlier under the name of Home of Brown a link to National Geographic from years back. The post also noted that the NG article referenced the Lamar Valley Ranger Station in Yelllowstone that used to be home of Park Ranger Gary Brown back in the days of Forrest’s youth.

    • I think the Bannock trail runs along the river under Lamar Ranger station. You can put in to the trail. Joe Meek May have been attacked near there?(various stories) then fled into hot springs area. Also, Gary Brown started in YNP in 1965, FF was already in AF. But Ranger Brown was there for @ 30 years. Including being head Ranger. Most well know ‘ warm waters’ ,most tenured ‘Brown’?

    • Or it could mean that in this place you would normally be looking ahead or up, looking down might not be instinctive at this place. If don’t look down quickly you could miss it or, or you could trip and fall. Like not being to be to see the forest for the trees? yuk, yuk, yuk…

  98. When FF said to show it to our kids he might mean that it’s that simplistic….or maybe it’s just that literal. I think kids are VERY literal. Could the Marvel reference have to do with some kind of comic super hero that kids would get right away?

  99. Stephanie,
    Given Forrest’s demonstrated propensity for “double speak”, as you refer to it, I have a question.

    Since beginning the Chase, I have noticed most, if not all, people are semi-obsessed with finding “9” clues. Some even appear to be unable to proceed unless they can identify “9” clues. Others identify “9” clues and what they refer to as sub-clues or hints.

    Now for the question: Has Forrest ever said “there are exactly 9 clues”?

    What difference does it make if there are 10,14 or 20 clues?

    (If there are more than “9” clues, Forrest didn’t lie if he said there are 9. He just didn’t say there are more than 9 or there is “at least” 9.) 🙂 🙂

    Doesn’t matter to me, I read the poem as a source of information, whether you call them clues, sub-clues or hints! Just thought the answer might help others not to sweat the little stuff.

    Oh yeah, I looked in “water trap” for wood, as you suggested. Didn’t find wood, but found the cold (not worth the effort). But, I dang sure found “blaze” when I got out!! 🙂

    • There’s been a lot of talk about the 9…and I figured out it there was 9 sentences to the poem. I’ve never asked him about it as I don’t believe in that…but I know he was asked by two people about it and he wouldn’t clarify anything about it. I think he likes the idea when there are little things like that or the capital B that will make us talk and it very well could be for no reason.

  100. Steph,
    I’m just curious, when you do these trips, does your husband or girlfriend go with you. I ask, because I know that it can be dangerous for a young lady to be traveling all by herself.

    • Sorry I haven’t gotten back to you…I’ve been thinking a lot about what you’ve said…and still not sure what to say yet. I’ve gone out on different trips with my husband, my girlfriend, and my mom. My Mom doesn’t walk back into the woods with me and that’s when I saw the bear…when I was with my girlfriend we’d take separate trips out looking…but during that trip with her…I wasn’t going far into the woods.

      • Stephanie,
        I sent the emaill out before I saw your comment “Sorry I haven’t gotten back to you…”. If you are still kicking it around, ok.

  101. Not sure how far out of the box folks are willing to think here, but has anyone tried remote viewing this?

  102. It is driving me INSANE that the posts aren’t sequential – seems some responses get buried

  103. Hi all,

    I have read this blog a bit but this is my first comment. I visited a spot today that fits perfectly but it is a little too public and I ran into local folks that were suspicious. Tarry scant indeed! Good luck to everyone. It will be months before I can go back and try again.

    • Tarryscant,
      You may want to stay away from public places, as that would be the last place Fenn would hide the chest.

  104. What in the heck are we doing up and on the damn computer @5 in the Morning on a Saturday instead of going looking??

  105. “Begin where warm waters halt” In my opinion means that snowmelt creates waterfalls that dry up after the snow has melted and the temperature gets higher , this is a very common occurence in mountainous regions

  106. Sorry, it is not as public as my comment indicated. I would guess that most places people are looking are public spaces (public land etc). What I meant is that there was a higher likelihood of seeing people than I anticipated, or we were just unlucky. It fits every clue in the poem, has a huge “aha” factor, and fits all of the extra hints including the one where FF said he thought someone might see his car. It also pulls together perfectly, in person, some of the information at the end of the poem that was ambiguous to me. I guess we are all attached to our spots. I found this one based on knowledge of the area and reading local history. It is too perfect and my guess is, if it is there, someone else will find it before we can go back. We checked it out on a long road trip.

  107. I think the Bannock trail runs along the river under Lamar Ranger station. You can put in to the trail. Joe Meek May have been attacked near there?(various stories) then fled into hot springs area. Also, Gary Brown started in YNP in 1965, FF was already in AF. But Ranger Brown was there for @ 30 years. Including being head Ranger. Most well know ‘ warm waters’ ,most tenured ‘Brown’?

  108. Easy to fit the clues to this… Courtney Brown Ph.D Cosmic Voyage Santa Fe Baldy… check out the lake on top of Santa Fe Baldy… then take the trail that over looks all of Santa Fe… what a view! tarry scant with marvel gaze… enjoy!

    • Lake Katherine is up there and it says June-Sept. is the best season and to get down off top before 2-3pm due to lightening strikes, so please be careful 🙂

        • I’d be surprised if Forrest waited for a lightening strike to occur before he came up with heavy loads to his poem..lol….good call on the dangers of that……I just don’t see it as home of brown and the address is Santa Fe…and he’s been very clear that it’s not IN SF. We drove up the Taos Ski Mountain(Wheeler I guess it is)….nice drive.

        • The Santa Fe Baldy does have some hits with the poem, like many many places in the Rockies, my question is how far can one drive up it, or how far would Forrest have had to trek with a heavy treasure up the mountain? Is this one even possible in that context?

      • very pretty through there Steph 🙂 it reminded me of Colorado with all the trees 🙂 I miss my mountains 🙁

        • Yeah I agree pretty. Colorado was one of the first places we looked. We looked in Tarryall. I might have that search on my blog…might have taken it down…but it was such a beautiful place there. Where are you now?

      • I live in Santa Fe, was a reluctant, I’m going to do it God’s way or no way transplant here lol 🙂 It was a major culture shock in architectural asthetics, but it’s growing on me 🙂

        • Oh I love the architecture there. I absolutely love how it blends into nature like that. I live near Chicago and my favorite architect here is Frank Lloyd Wright for that same reason. I wish they could do something about the outskirt desert area with the trailer garbage areas. It’s so tough to look at the landscape and then see that. We have that here too…but it’s not the same…we’re not looking at this incredible landscape and then see that. I just love Santa Fe though….seeing all the adorable doorways and gardens and niches here and there. Colorado was beautiful…but I don’t think I could ever get used to driving in mountains like that.

      • here’s a home of his in Santa Fe Steph, http://www.flw-potteryhouse.com/ I also saw that you went up to Hyde Park by Santa Fe ski area? And it didn’t fit? I have a Hill over there that I took a pic with on my cell phone that shows 2 hearts in snow on the hill and it it between ‘2 ridges’ “ridges new and old? lol one is a street name. I’ll send it to you. if you put it in paint and enlarge it’s pretty cool 🙂

    • @juntolouderback:
      I’m not into the mystical stuff myself……..I’ve been asking strangers about the poem just to get some fresh viewpoints, you can look up my old comments if you want to know more…..anyway I asked a lady artist on the beach about the poem and she said some weird stuff…….I blew off what she said and what happened until I read your comment…..She was saying some of the stuff you are talking about……I told her nothing about the poem other than it was a treasure poem, she said some strange stuff and drew on it. Don’t get me wrong, she was very nice and quite a character. I took some pictures of her while she was painting and her with my wife that didn’t turn out; which is very odd for me……So maybe Fenn is into the mystical Indian stuff……he did survive being shot down twice and cancer. So did Fenn write the poem from an Indian folklore viewpoint?

      I’m going to rehash what the artist said and see if I can find the paper she drew on; like I said I just blew off what happened until now, I mean this is California, being strange is normal here.

      My experience was a little weird; but not as weird as Dal’s. You should read his Coyote part one and two…..Dal, do you still carry your lucky charm with you?

      Here’s the links to Dal’s story:



      • Goofy:
        I never thought about actually carrying it. It’s at home on my windowsill next to my beach glass collection, my caribou jawbone, my mud people, my roll of birch bark and my petrified wood. Maybe that’s why I can’t find the treasure Goofy..I’ll start carrying it…look out Steph…

          • I have a new booty of Lummi Island refrigerator magnets for my trip out at the end of the month. I plan to attach them to non-aluminum, US Forrest service road signs along my hot spot!!

          • Thanks for the link Stephi. Interesting article and since I don’t have the book yet, it’s informative too about some of the things he wrote in it. And it’s also nice to read the comments by his friends who truly do not think he is joking about actually hiding the treasure.

          • Just heard that it got picked up by someone’s local news in Jacksonville Florida…So many news sources will pick this up being that it’s with the AP.

      • @Dal,
        Like I said, I’m not into the mystical stuff…….But if I had an Indian Medicine Man show up out of nowhere, turn my truck around without leaving tracks, and leave me a good luck charm, I think I’d carry it on every hunt…..just to cover all the bases.

        Survival gear: check
        Big gun: check
        Delorme satellite text messenger: check
        Lucky charm from Indian Medicine Man: double check

        “The greatest obstacle to discovering the truth is being convinced you already know it.”

      • @Dal,
        My wife bought the Satellite messenger for me; the ultimate leash. 😀 She knows exactly where I’m at. Actually, it has come in handy a couple times in non-emergency situations. Of course it’s great to have in case of emergencies, but those times when you find yourself in a big pain in the behind, non-emergency, situation and could use a little help it’s great. I always carried a personal satellite distress bacon but the rescue boys frown on using them due to car trouble or for pizza delivery. I did use the satellite distress beacon once in Canyonlands and it work perfectly. A young couple went out “exploring” completely ill-equipped; much like the young lady that got lost looking for the treasure. The young man had fallen and broken his leg badly and his young wife blew two tires on sharp rocks trying to drive them out. I put a splint on his leg but I thought the rough ride out may injure his leg more, so I set off the beacon. The helicopter arrived within an hour and air lifted the young fellow out…….But no pizza.

  109. :Just heavy loads and water high” Waters high could be a dam, in particular a hydro-electric dam that sends electricity to city . Each of these transmissions are known as a load the more populous the area of transmission a heavy lod would be required.

    • Ragnar, How’s the weather in Loky? Has anyone thought of high water being a geyser?

      • The temp here was 63F today I for one have thought of geysers being high waters and they are under heavy hydraulic loads.

  110. Just heavy loads and water high” Waters high could be a dam, in particular a hydro-electric dam that sends electricity to different areas . Each of these transmissions are known as a load the more populous the area of transmission the more heavy loads that would be required.

  111. New Mexico fish and game: Warm waters are all streams, lakes, and ponds except
    those designated as trout waters. If you look at the map,out of the 1000s of waters maybe 10 are warm that are north of Santa Fe

    • Actually, going by the Fish & Games definition, there are are quiet a few more than “maybe 10”. Quiet a few more. I mean if we are counting.

  112. Hoping to be taking a train ride from Mid west to Santa fe soon, does anyone here video conference and try to hash out clues

    • Where in the Midwest? I’m between Chicago and Milwaukee. I don’t want to video chat…but if you want to email and talk about ideas for clues…I’m open to it. I don’t want to share complete solutions though… Email me at tyblossom at aol dot com if you want.

      • Stephanie
        I live north of Nashville in lower Kentucky , the closest train is about 120 miles in St. Louis , Amtrak has a direct route from there to Santa Fe . Round trip for two is about $230 I think . The reason for the train is that it is much more enjoyable than flying , also I have took a train to watch the Cubs and eat at Lou Manalta’s , use to have a lot of connections in Chicago. Also I will e-mail you I have some specifics i Would like to run past you. Also been to Kenosha is that near you?

        • Wow that’s a great price. I’m about 30 minutes or so from Kenosha. That’s a great price. We’re only about 6 hours from St. Louis. I’ve checked train prices from Chicago and they aren’t near that price.

          • Stephanie its been a while since I checked prices maybe they have gone up considerably hope not , anyway you mentioned something in a post I found very interesting , after i re-check it to be certain I will let you know what it is .

      • >> I wish they could do something about the outskirt desert area with the trailer garbage areas. It’s so tough to look at the landscape and then see that. We have that here too…but it’s not the same…we’re not looking at this incredible landscape and then see that.


        The INDIANS are poor, they live in Rented Moble Homes, it’s not personal, they’re not trying to offend, they’re just poor. Outside of the ARTs areas, Not Everyone in Northern New Mexico has benefitted from Spanish Settlement. Who owned the land before the Spanish ??? And Why do they now rent from people with Spanish Sirnames ???


        • As I put in the email to you…it’s not that I have any problem with old homes etc. I actually like that sort of thing. My issue is when things are just strewn all over and messy. You can still be poor and keep things neat. I love looking out over the landscape, but then when I see all the clutter in some places…it sort of ruins it.

      • Stephanie, I know what you mean. It certainly spoils the country side. New Mexico is a very poor state and I don’t know of a solution. I don’t think most towns have zoning laws like we find in the Midwest. Even if they do, I don’t know how they would be enforced. I have become used to it and just accept it as part of Wild West scenery. Sometimes it has a gracing quality to it and at other time is doesn’t.

        • The last thing I want are more zoning laws anywhere. This totally isn’t poor verses rich…that’s missing my point. I like the old look just fine. My problem was with the messy look. It doesn’t take money to keep your yard straightened up. I think it just distracts…here you are looking at the beautiful eye candy landscape and see cars, mowers, lawn tools strewn all over a yard. An example…I saw a junk yard out there…I thought it was really pretty actually and took pictures of it…but it was organized looking and not sloppy. I grew up poor and I’m getting closer to being poor again with each search lol….

      • Whatever, I know what you mean since I see it every day. Oh well, the point here is that it’s systemic for whatever reason and isn’t going to change. One learns to take the good with the bad and where they choose to focus. I would not recommend you move here if it bothers you that much.

        • I didn’t mean it bad. I think I’m digging myself into a hole. I just felt that my original comment was misunderstood and I keep trying to explain myself out of the hole that I’m not putting down people, because they’re poor. I think I’m in quicksand….

          • Steph, consider it never happened. You are obviously a very good person ;^}

            So what I really want to figure out is, whatablaze ;^}

            Happy Easter.

          • Steph I understood what you meant the moment you said it. Just ignore the people that keep making you explain yourself, its simply sheer boredom on their part and needing to liven things up with drama. We all know you are good people and I for one adore you and your wit. We got your back girl and have the rope pulling you out of the quicksand!
            There now you are free! Whew! Now get back to treasure hunting!

          • Thanks Jen, but I think text can just be misunderstood sometimes and mine more than most…glad SF Smart got my meaning. I’ve been talking to John in email…he’s a great guy and I feel bad we’ve just not been in sync today. Hoping we can work it out…I don’t want him to leave the blogs!!! Hugs John!! *dang* you know where that quick sand ends up??? I owe you for that Jen…..

      • Oh well, just trying to explain it and how to deal with it in a way that can help. I think these forums reach a certain point where things just keep going south and I am going to unsubscribe to this section. I think it’s reached maximum density. You say one thing and somebody else wants to jump in on useless banter.

      • Steph-
        I know exactly what you mean and I agree completely. Short people are simply a nuisance.

        They got little hands
        Little eyes
        They walk around
        Tellin’ great big lies
        They got little noses
        And tiny little teeth
        They wear platform shoes
        On their nasty little feet


        • Hey! I resemble that remark. So when should I book my flight, so you can pick me up at the airport and take me treasure hunting? You could talk Forrest into letting us stay in his guest house (I never got the tour of the guest house). I’d prefer if you seemed like the pushy take advantage friend and I can just seem like the sweet girl from Chicago. Then you can drive me to my spots in your white van(I’ll post Dals license plate later for anyone reading this that wants to follow him) and I’ll blindfold you just as we’re getting close so you don’t know where I’m looking. When we go to your spots, I’ll act as a lookout to make sure no one sees where your going since everyone knows what you look like. Sound like a plan?

          • Hmm..the guest house only has one bed so you’d have to take the sofa. But anyway, I’m here now so when are you showing up? To confuse you I’ll put the Michigan plates back on my van.

          • Sure- Who do you think was driving the Volvo over by Cimarron that Bonnie ran into?

            -Sent from my iCar-

          • Dal’s being quiet and not even answering my emails…I think we should all be afraid if he’s out West…err East for him. Hopefully he’s at home on and the only killer casualty will be a lamb cake.

  113. LOL Steph,
    well I also think that’s the reason he hid the treasure. we have to ‘tie the fly’ ourselves in order to keep it. 🙂

    • and where do you take kids to fish, on a boat, on the banks, or in smooth running streams not heavy ones. Since he said a kid could get it.

      • so drifting is without a paddle, maybe just drift in below the dam. I looked up Ginger Wolf lol and got a quote from Christopher to winnie the pooh! lol~”Promise me you’ll always remember:
        you’re Braver than you Believe,
        and Stronger than you Seem,
        and Smarter than you Think.”
        Christopher Robin to Pooh
        What kind of Wolves are in Yellowstone? Ginger ones or the kind like in Alaska?

        • Oh that’s funny…never thought about the drifting boats as not having paddles. Not sure about the wolves. Richard, one of the other bloggers wrote about a wolf though called Six.

      • he did have a boat with him in that pic from Hegben, but it just looked like a little aluminum one.

      • I’ve never fly fished. Always thought it amazing that they never get tied up in their long string! lol I’ll hafta try it sometime.

        • I don’t understand the reason behind it really…why not just use a bobber or if they’re scared of bobbers..then why not put a fly on a regular pole where at least you can reel in the line. Probably because you need the length away from you so it doesn’t scare them…but just seems there’s a better way. Although saying that…guys who do that are so cool. Saw this guy fly fishing that Madison and he was all in black with a black cowboy hat, black vest and black waders….walked passed me on the trail and smiled…went into the river and I just watched him for a few minutes and he got one right off the bat..it was mesmerizing. Maybe I should check Yellowstone again *blush*

      • hasanyone checked around his pueblo San Lazaro? it has a RR track and creek right across from it. Maybe he just left the key right under the doormat? LOL

      • @Kym – As I fly fisherman I assure you we get knots in the line all of the time.. Wind knots and fail cast knots are a constant hindrance… We just try to be extra careful and have great form when people are watching 🙂

      • Stephanie,

        What is really cool about fly fishing is that you learn to think like a fish. Keep in mind they are on the look out for you and will hide when they see you coming.

        They like to hang in places with deep holes like eddies. A good rock where they can surf the currents without much effort (conserving energy) but where the stream brings a constant source of food in whatever is hatching at the moment be it flies or other fish eggs. A place where they can hide when necessary.

        So the long lines is about presenting the bait from a distance to where you suspect a trout might want to hang out. Your best bet is to find out what the current food is and make a tie to emulate that food source.


        • Why would I want to think like a fish? Sorry, I stopped at the first sentence an wondered that. I don’t think I care what a fish thinks…oooh that worm looks hot….that fly looks tasty….think I’ll check out that guy trout….ooh there’s a rock. Not being disrespectful…just funny. I get what your saying. I’m a girl though, and think more like a girly girl…I’d rather watch the guy catching the trout 😉

          • THINK like a fish , I read that a fish has memory span of only 20 seconds so if you think like a fish you will forget before your a…a..a..

      • Ragnar, it is obvious that you don’t understand what a metaphor is. In fact you think of heavy loads in terms of engineering principles… Make sure you can find the cheapest train ride out here.

        • JP , just trying to help another seek , I also posted another interpretation on this segment earlier and I do know what a met is for but i am a Braves fan

        • John Paul and slope66
          Apologies to all whom I have offended , thought that I had made a clever observation about geysers being heavy loads and waters high. I truly didn’t mean anything about the metaphor joke other than just having a laugh . JP I’m not sure why you felt a need criticize me to begin with I’m aware that I don’t have a Lit Major and slope66 what does it matter what pseudonym I use , is that your’e real name. Please forgive me and let everyone post without having to read this un-intended displeasure.

      • Is that what that means…I was trying to anagram it and the best I could come up with was “A-OK FOR GNARLY” Another example of over-thinking.

      • Ragnar, excuse me but I didn’t criticize you first. You made a sarcastic remark about the term I used about thinking like a fish, trying to explain to Stephanie the thrill of fly fishing. Maybe you were thinking like a fish and lost sight of the context?

        • Again my apologies , didn’t mean to be sarcastic ,or make it seem like I was ridiculing you it just reminded me of a funny story and I was just trying to inject humor myself , much as you did with your post of the five islands, lost battery, paddle etc.

  114. I have been puzzling and rethinking over & over with great care what Peggy replied about her ideas of “warm waters”.

  115. Just read Stephanie’s link to latest AP story (Thaks for providing, Stephanie)

    -Learned from story Forrest daughter named “Zoe”.

    -someone posted, awhile back, that poem contained all of alphabet except “z”.

    -could the BLAZE be the “mark of Zorro” —> Z 🙂 🙂


    • The letter “z” is contained in the word blaze. I believe the letter “x” is not used in the poem, as in X marks the spot.

      • On2 – you are absolutely correct! I just was curious how many, if any, would jump on the “bandwagon” without actually thinking about the post or verifying. 🙂

  116. the 1970’s had an Ad campaign for Smokey Bear that stated something about ‘babes in the woods’ maybe the home of Brown is the ranger station. where Smokey Bear lives 🙂

  117. I think Fenn actually did refer to the Rockies in the poem, but he later realized the reference was placed at too late a point in the sequence of clues and that it may not be possible for even an accomplished riddle interpreter to still be in the right geographic area by the time they got to that clue. So he decided to give that one away. It’s confirmed in the poem though, which is somewhat reassuring.

  118. The temp here was 63F today I for one have thought of geysers being waters high and they are under heavy loads due to the hydrothermal pressure

  119. Ok here’s a thought, and yes I know that’s becoming akin to saying ‘but in a good way’ at the end of any veiled criticism for Thrill posters. I tried to take a few days away from any in-depth research and off the boards/pages as much as I could. It’s hard. Curiosity and cigarettes both lead to obsession and I can’t kick either habit. The problem is some of us are getting caught up in the details. I’ve read theory after theory and some are quite good…to a point. There is always either a moment when the whole thing derails, stretches to make a match to a clue, or simply stops because the poster doesn’t want to say any more (or if you’re following along on the FB page it’s the opportune point at which they insert what they’re selling.) We sling our cursors into overdrive firing up Google Earth, Yellowstone history texts, and Travelocity. Where do warm waters halt? Who is Brown? What the $#@& could the blaze be?! We go from point A to B to W back to C round and round and never have that one tingling sensation of assuredness that we’re right. The treasure would have been found if that were the case huh?

    Now I don’t claim to be an expert on anything. Opinionate? Absolutely, just ask the wife. She’ll roll her eyes and then mumble something sarcastic about how I don’t listen. I never catch what she says I can’t hear her. Anyway, over the last few days I’ve made it a point to stay outside working on projects to keep my mind off this whole mad mess. The kids and I have had a good time bonding while getting some carpentry and painting done, shooting BB guns, kicking the football around, etc. Later on I starting wondering why there always has to be a lesson or meaning in what we do. I mean the wife wanted some shelves built so we went out and built ’em. No secret code. She wanted some storage space so we took care of it. Shouldn’t we just look at the poem the same way?

    Mr. Fenn has said all you need is the poem. Everything is in it. Ok the book is a help that remains to be seen. A good read but whether it’s a clue factory or not we’ll have to wait and see when the box is located. Everything we need to know is IN the poem. ‘Give a copy of it to your kids.’ Is it that obvious? Are we trying to force a square peg into a round hole? Instead of picking it apart line by line, word by word let’s look at the whole thing at once. I’m getting ready to start my 4 day rotation at work. Ninety-six hours of nothing but eat, sleep, and take care of business. Rather than burn up my resources hunting down details and staring at topographic maps I think what may work is to just step back at look at it from afar. Twenty-four lines, nine clues but ONE poem and ONE answer. I think the answer may be kind of like the riddle of ‘what’s red and green and goes round and round a 1000 miles an hour?’ Don’t go looking for what’s red/green THEN what goes that fast. It’s ONE answer.

    It may very well be that the places described in the poem are all in the same spot. Sure there’s directions. Try telling someone where the spare batteries for your flashlight are who doesn’t live in your house. It’ll take you three instructional points just to get them to your junk drawer in the kitchen much less where they are under your take-out menus, old bills, and spare car keys; all while never leaving the house.

    Then again it’s just a thought.

  120. This probably won’t help anyone but I wanted to share. In two weeks I’m heading back out to NM from Boston with only the confidence that I have is in myself. Not in my physical abilities and really doubting my mental abilities as well. Just a gut feeling that I believe in myself. I just have to try. While I couldn’t afford my last trip, this trip is way beyond my budget, but it’s no longer about the treasure to me. My last trip was a bust as far as finding the treasure goes, but it was a gold mine as far as what so many people take for granted these days. Friendship. Honor, etc. I put myself in a bind and reached out to Dal and he was helpful and not judgmental. He showed me that even strangers with a common interest (even though competing to find a prize) could be magnanimous and just plain decent and caring enough to help their fellow human. He could have thought me a nut for embarking on my journey so poorly prepared (as most of my friends back home did) but, instead, he offered to help before I could even ask. He guided me toward another amazing individual, Richard Saunier and in that one short weekend, even though I didn’t find Forrest’s treasure, I found something so much more valuable and something that will last much longer….kind human spirits! I am so thankful that they still exist in the crazy world that we live in. I will be heading out to the Rockies again within the next two weeks if I feel up to it, but it won’t be as much to find riches (because I feel I’ve already found so many already) it will only be to prove something to myself…that I still have a life left to live and beauties to behold. Good luck to you all in your quest!

  121. The English word house derives directly from the Old English Hus meaning “dwelling, shelter, home, house,” which in turn derives from Proto-Germanic Khusan (reconstructed by etymological analysis) which is of unknown origin. The house itself gave rise to the letter ‘B’ through an early Proto-Semitic hieroglyphic symbol depicting a house. The symbol was called “bayt”, “bet” or “beth” in various related languages, and became beta, the Greek letter, before it was used by the Romans.

    • D&C you have a lot of great ideas…..Do you really think FF would hide his treasure on a land that we could tie to him. I think he would know that with all the information out there that’s public that we would find it quickly. Just a thought… I do believe everyone is finally thinking way outside of the box and coming up with lots interesting theories to assist everyone in doing the same. Thanks for all your input and keep it coming.

      • I think it’s a very important tidbit that leads to a more precise location. To be honest the property isn’t where the clues in the poem sent me but it does have relation. As i have found out the hard way the poem can lead you in 5000 different directions.

      • slope66, if the land’s ownership has been transferred several times since when FF originally obtained it, it might be very very difficult to tie to him now. I don’t think that a typical County Assessor parcel search would be able to detect it. If no FF income/loss from the property, the IRS & State employees probably wouldn’t make a connection either.

        D&C, and they are all above 5000 feet too.

    • D&C

      did get my response about FF hiding place, I can’t find on the blogs where it went. I was giving you my view about how it was related to the clues.

  122. Dal Forrest Fenn has my utmost respect . this is one of the most intriguing. interesting Fun treasure hunts I’ve ever seen in my entire life Happy Easter Treasure hunting goood luck your giong to need it LOL

    • Mystery Mike
      The Black Hills are not considered part of the Rocky Mountains. Nor are any “hills” in South Dakota.

  123. Place the letter N below a drawing of house and you have the compass direction for north. Stromatolite is brown layered structure rock formation in the Rocky Mountains.

    • oops, stromatolite can be red, kinda like pimento cheese,except rock. But it may be the home of Mother Earth, represented by brown. I think 😉

  124. Some thoughts this Easter morning, or dia de resurreccion in Spanish.

    1) Probably not in water. Three reasons:

    One, he stated that his memoir is in a jar and sealed with wax to keep the moisture out. Notice that he said moisture, not water. In water, a wax seal would possibly deteriorate over time, allowing water in, especially if under pressure from subtle or forceful movement. This would destroy his memoirs, but the wax would probably keep moisture out in a low humidity environment indefinitely.

    Reason number two, as someone astutely noticed prior, if it is in a stream, rocks will dislodge and bang against it, eventually destroying the chest and possibly covering it forever. A stream can be a perpetual rock tumbler. It seems that the chest would be in a place where geological or natural changes would not have much chance of obscuring it. It’s one thing to find it based on clues, “look quickly down”. It’s another thing to find it 1000 years from now with some new technology that spots it 100 feet beneath a collapsed rock formation.

    Reason number three: “Look quickly down”. It is most likely visible to the naked eye once you see the blaze and look quickly down. This will be difficult, but not impossible if it were under water.
    I believe I know why you must look down quickly once you see the blaze.

    2) Home of Brown. Who are the original Browns? They were here before the Spaniards or white man. Native Americans. Their home? Now a reservation, but not before. But wasn’t it said that it’s not on a reservation? Does anyone know for sure? If it’s not on a reservation, along the same lines, what else is a home of Brown? Pretty easy. It could also be below a reservation as this is where you have to “put in”. Lots of options here. I have my own ideas.

    3) This was a big help to me and may be to you too. DRAW the poem. If you don’t know what warm waters are or heavy loads, come up with a symbol to represent them. The symbol should represent your current thoughts on the clues. If you are a visual person this will be a big help. You will see the beginnings of an actual map of sorts. It begins to put things together in a different way.

    4) Back to home of Brown. Once you put in below here, there is no definite direction as to whether you proceed down the canyon away from where warm waters halt, or back upstream or up canyon, depending on if the stream is active or a dry bed. That is a debate within itself. Waters high may not refer to this path itself. No paddle up your creek does not in itself tell us that we are going upstream, or in the direction that the water is flowing. So, my question is Which direction do you believe you should proceed once you put in below the home of Brown, upstream or downstream and why?

    I have more thoughts, but would like to hear yours on the above. Thank you!

  125. Sorry if redundant question, but what are thoughts of last clue “..treasure not associated with any structure”. This would seemingly include dams/reservoirs. This shoots my areas around Hebgen Lake and Buffalo Bill Res(Cody). all to heck. Eliminates Yellowstone River Res and Bighorn River dams, too. Would also essentially eliminate all dams/reservoirs wherever located. Know these areas are focus of many searchers. Am I reading/hearing this right?

    • thoughts are that he’s saying THE TREASURE isn’t associated with any structure. Does that mean the entire poem or just the end point? We don’t know. I’m trying to come up with ideas with no structures as all my past ones had structures.

      • None of my solutions to the clues are directly associated with any structure but my sense is that he is saying that the final spot is not associated with a structure. Meaning home of Brown could, in theory, be a house.

        • I’m trying to come up with some that don’t have any structures and some that have structures, but not the last one…so far I have one spot….. Just was reminded to read something that said Forrest said that Brown was very important to the poem(Gadi’s resource page). So I’m thinking it isn’t just Brown Trout…it’s something more special or different like a rock formation type thing or that Brown could be brown after all.

          • I’m still hoping to park in the same parking lot that Forest parked in, afraid people would recognize his car, and 500 ft from that well traveled area that Forest mentions. ;^}

          • I’m suspect of the reporter who said that about his car. That guy’s gotten so much wrong. If I don’t hear it direct…I don’t put it in my fact list… As for well traveled area….I’m not sure that was said either. I think he just said that some searchers have been within 500 feet…and I heard him say that he didn’t measure it. Saying all that…I think it’s easily missed. He may have “buried” it with a rock on top of it. So you just need to move the rock and you’ll see it. So maybe it’s in a place like Yellowstone or Cimarron where lots of sear chers are going…but it’s just easily missed like that, because the blaze is off in the distance a bit.

          • Not just off the beaten path…

            I agree with you Steph, this is certainly not a “Easter Egg Hunt”, as the PRIZE EGGS are always found in less than 10,000 YEARS… ;^} Some PRIZE EGGS were even CANDY… does sugar, a carcinogen, last that long ?

          • I don’t know, but if he really thought that it wouldn’t be found for 10,000 years…do you think he put a golden twinkle in there so we’d have something to nibble on after we found it? That’s a long time we’ll all be searching for it.

          • Someone mentioned “REMOTE VIEWING” a ways back in the blog…

            Yep, I can see it now, 10,000 years from now… Forrest’s Bones hugging the chest after seeking his resting place, ( after all it turns out Forrest lived to be more than 130 years old, still walking till the end ), and then there’s my bones holding that “UNSPOILED TWINKIE” after being bitten by that RATTLE SNAKE a ways back on the trail… and the BLAZE was actually a … ;^}

          • Or maybe he has the whole area where the chest is at, booby trapped so all our bones will end up there…all just because he wanted a little company…the twinkle might just be an appetizer for us all in the after life.

          • Stephanie if its a deep fried twinkie then it doubles the value of the chest .

    • >> Sorry if redundant question, but what are thoughts of last clue “..treasure not associated with any structure”.


  126. Took a little break to ponder my next move , while pondering I tuned into PBS and fortunately their programming at the time was “Sun Studio Sessions” featuring “The Trishas” . If you haven’t heard them you might want to check them out on you tube , love their rendition of “Gold and Silver” .
    Happy Easter

  127. It took three attempts on separate days and lots of trial and anguish, However, if anyone decides to check out the five islands on Lake Abiquiu then don’t bother. The treasure is not there. However, if you are lucky you may find my pontoon boat, paddle, battery, life vest, and Nim Kota Endurance C2 troweling motor. If you can find a way to get it from where it was marooned the treasure is yours!

  128. New to the chase. Love all your post.
    just some thoughts.
    Platte river. local American Indian tribes called the Rockies.
    home of Brown Denve Home of the brown cloud (inversion)
    Canyon down. Ridin’ down the canyon “Gene autry”

    Heavy loads. Leadville Co largest producer of molybdenum, heat resistance steel in planes.

    • Leadville,Co. is also home of the Gold from the mine,that covers the capitol bldg. in downtown Denver.
      But, I don’t think it’s there. if you are going to look in Colorado, I believe that you should try around Cripple Creek~”no paddle up your creek”, and on same rd. as High rd. by the mines. Also the Florrissant Fossil beds since FF is interested in Archaeology. Or even the Ice Park in Ouray on the Million Dollar Hwy. that ought to last ya awhile 🙂 lol

  129. Although I have only been peripherally involved in the “chase” until now, I thought discussion of the clues in the poem might benefit from objective analysis. So, here’s my two cents worth based on 40 years’ experience solving real world land-based problems.

    The clues can be understood as geographic or non-geographic. By geographic I mean terrain-based or site-specific. Non-geographic clues have no site reference and may even be classed as judgmental. For example, Clue #1 (see poem below) is obviously geographic in that it is a place while Clue #3 is judgmental since “far” for FF might not be far for Dal or Richard; and that’s not even thinking about whether you’re carrying a 42-pound chest filled with assorted goodies or where you are leaving from or going to.
    Here’s the poem if you don’t already have it burned into your psyche with the clues I have numbered (more than nine).
    The Thrill of the Chase
    Forrest Fenn
    As I have gone alone in there
    And with my treasures bold,
    I can keep my secret where,
    And hint of riches new and old.

    CLUE #1 Begin it where warm waters halt
    CLUE #2 And take it in the canyon down,
    CLUE #3 Not far, but too far to walk.
    CLUE #4 Put in below the home of Brown.

    CLUE #5 From there it’s no place for the meek,
    CLUE #6 The end is ever drawing nigh;
    CLUE #7 There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
    CLUE #8 Just heavy loads and water high.

    CLUE #9 If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
    CLUE #10 Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
    Just take the chest and go in peace.

    So why is it that I must go
    And leave my trove for all to seek?
    The answers I already know,
    I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak.

    So hear me all and listen good,
    CLUE #11 Your effort will be worth the cold.
    CLUE #12 If you are brave and in the wood
    I give you title to the gold.

    Okay, let’s classify each clue.

    Geographic Clues Non-Geographic Clues
    #1 #3
    #2 #5
    #4 #6
    #7 #9
    #8 #10
    #12 #11

    Geographic Clues
    #1 indicates a place where warm waters halt, perhaps some sort of physical constraint, as in a larger body of water, flow diversion system, etc. Lots of chatter out there about exactly what that constraint might be.

    #2 Obviously a canyon, but is it dry or occupied by a stream of unknown magnitude? It also seems to be linked geographically to Clue #1.

    #4 Here’s the ever mysterious Brown, which could mean a place rife with grizzlies, colored topographic feature (mesa, hill, mountain), trout, house owned by some guy named Brown, outhouse, or whatever. But it’s a place and “below” is an important characteristic. Clue may be associated with Clues # 1 and 2.

    #7 Indicates a small stream that is either too small, intermittent, low-flow, or too high-flow in terms of a canoe-kayak.

    #8 For many, this clue indicates some sort of structural element (loads and dams) while others regard it as pertaining to stream characteristics. The problem is that if it does refer to stream attributes it is inherently confusing and difficult to interpret since water flow is distinctly seasonal and what constitutes “heavy” loads and water high in Spring will probably be totally different in Fall. Still, it is place-oriented.

    #12 Although the first part of this clue is non-geographic (being brave is a personality characteristic), the last part seems relatively more important: being somewhere in the wood(s) rather wandering around the desert, like in Coyote, NM.

    Non-Geographic Clues
    #3 How far is too far (see above)? And who are we talking about, a little kid or an able-bodied adult? A well-conditioned woman or a fat-bellied old fart? (You know who you are.)

    #5 This clue is a mixed bag because although being meek is a personality trait it also refers to a place where the meek feel uncomfortable but without reference as to what that physical element might be. It could be a fast-flowing stream with rapids or some other non-specified physical threat or hazard. Thus, I would further classify this clue as situational or contextual.

    #6 Meaning of “nigh” is much debated but for me indicates geographic proximity; again, this clue is situational or contextual since you can’t nail it down on a map.

    #9 Wisdom is a personal attribute, a judgment that varies with each individual. The second part of this clue, blaze, is location-oriented but according to FF finding it depends not on objective analysis but on an intensely subjective attribute (being wise).

    #10 This clue may seem to some as geographic since it is distinctly place-oriented but it is judgmental and therefore non-geographic since it entirely depends on whether the searcher is wise or not.

    #11 Cold in itself is non-geographic and subjective. Since we don’t know the time of year when the poem was written we’re at a loss as to how to regard this clue analytically. A given temperature that can be described as cold in summer would likely not be said to be so in winter. Plus, cold for my wife is lukewarm for me and cold for me is freezing for her.

    Concluding Remarks

    What to make of all this? I am both encouraged and discouraged by my own analytical effort. The encouraged aspect is in the geographic clues. It seems to me that searchers can use those clues to narrow the range of possibilities. It shouldn’t be very difficult to weave a tapestry of ever narrowed possibilities with those clues and a reading of FF’s book and the info found in the various blogs. The discouraged element is that this treasure “chase” is not based entirely on following locational clues but on trying to determine how to apply your personal judgment to FF’s brand of slight-of-hand. Half of the clues have no geographic reference therefore you’re left with guessing as to what you think FF meant. That dramatically lowers everyone’s chances of being successful.

    Add to that the fact that once you have gotten EVERY geographic clue right and are in the general vicinity of the chest, NOTHING in the poem will get you closer. FF intentionally made the poem and the clues opaque rather than transparent. No X marks the spot, just a purposely ill-defined “blaze” that can only be found by the wise. So you are left with wandering around trying desperately to convince yourself that you are on the money, so to speak and are about to find the proverbial pot of gold. The simple truth is you may have been within three feet of the chest but due to a lack of wisdom or poor judgment you missed it entirely. My guess is that if someone finds the chest it will be because that person possesses a mixture of analytical skills and intuition.

    None of the above is meant to discourage searchers but to make sure all those involved in the “chase” do so with their eyes wide open as to what the poem tells you and what you must guess about. I for one am leaving the St. Louis area sometime in the late Spring or early Fall and am headed west, poem in my sweaty hand, specific location in mind. Hope to see lots of you out there breathing the fresh mountain air and having a great time.

    • Sweet Old Bob,

      I have been thinking about this sort of thing too and about having eyes wide open. I asked myself many of the same questions you mention. Then i wondered, how many square miles are in the Rocky Mountains and then discovered that it was 300,000 square miles.

      Next I asked how many square feet are in one square mile and got 27,878,400 sq. feet. That means there are 8,363,520,000,000 places where this bronze box could potentially exist in the Rocky Mountains. 8.4 trillion is an astronomically big number but don’t ask anyone in government how big that number is because they obviously don’t have a clue. 😉 However, if I am looking for a 10 inch square box in that area my chances are much better for getting hit by a bolt of lightening or winning the lotto.

      Therefore, another line of inquiry was what if I could narrow the general area down to perhaps one square mile. That would be a 1 in 300,000 percent chance or better depending on how one approaches the conditions of probability. Still, I might be that one in nearly one third of a million people and get it right but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.

      OK, let’s say I could decifer these cryptic clues to lesson the odds and actually have a general area of 1 square mile. That is still nearly 28 million places for me to look for that box or where It could be! If I stepped it off at one yard a second it would take me about 860 hours to step off one square mile or 640 acres!

      After doing this inquiry and study of the clues, I now have a different perspective. A map, poem or set of instructions is certainly not the territory. If I am out looking for this treasure it might help if I do so with a different goal in mind.

      Thanks for your post,

  130. I agree with a lot of you on Over Thinking things. He is a adventurest but traded for a lot of his finds. He wants people to enjoy the adventure but he has stated that searchers were 500 feet from the find and maybe- Searching for the gal who got lost must have met with his concern as being a father of 7. When he Drove, as its too far to walk, The Lewis and Clark trail, Yet he says he wants kids off the video games and out exploring the real world “Safely”. He went from his car with a over 40 pound little 8”x8” Heavy Cast Sculpted Chest and then placed it in its location, unlocked with a Jar “Water and Weatherproof” with his writings in print needing a magnifying glass to read so the little jar had to fit in the bottom of that chest and where the lid “Maybe Plastic” would not rust or rot away in many years to come. Now… Where did the chest originate? Where did he buy or trade for it from and who? And in my estimation, The Chest itself could be a clue as what is the pictures cast in the chest? Are they of the Lewis and Clark Expedition? What do they depict and what story do they tell? I build Hot Rods for a living and was on The Discovery Channels, “Monster Garage”. I have seen lots of criptic things in my 61 years and most boil down to simple facts point blank in front of our faces. He appreciates “Art” and “Artifacts” He is Military with a background in “Line Of Site” as a means of getting from point A to point B when all electronics go tits up. He is a stradigist and a Survivor with guts and courage and most of all the sense not to go in over his head at his age. Also not putting people or kids at risk and being held accountable for loss of life as a family man that cares about LIFE!

    • Father of 7? Forrest has two kids. The chest is 10x10x5. He writes where the chest came from and what it’s probable original use was. The chest predates Lewis and Clark by a few hundred years. Isn’t even from this country.

    • When i left today Forrest had 2 daughters what’d he do adopt 5 searchers while i was out ?

  131. Dollarbill i see your point of view and understand what your saying. That being said still doesn’t change my perspective. Just curious, have you come across a brotherhood in land ownership concerning cowboys & ranches? Specifically a handful of ranches privately owned and geared towards keeping tradition while catering to the outdoors man & family adventure. It still doesn’t put an X on the map but i think it’s another piece of the puzzle possibly.

    • D&C, Even though I worked on a ranch one summer during high school years, I consider myself a city slicker. Now you understand when I say that I have not ever heard of a cowboy brotherhood in land ownership. I think ranchers can be in tight knit groups because of similar interests and mostly because they are living far out by themselves. Do you know of a brotherhood purchasing ranches? I have heard of big land developers doing such.

      Interesting if happening, one hat could get lost in the ring easily, but I would think that hat would lose control too.

      • Dollar If your interested in hearing more post your email and i will respond.

  132. Happy Easter everyone, just wondering about “no place for the meek” , equating meek with sheep such as in the phrase “meek as a lamb” , I have heard there are places mountain sheep won’t go due to the sulfurous gas in certain westerrn areas is this correct or am I way off base .

  133. I realize this is not one of the 9 clues, but I don’t see anywhere else to address it. If there is somewhere let me know, but the drawing on p. 146 of his book doesn’t seem to be related to anything I can find, including the Epilogue chapter that it’s included in. Something interesting is that in the drawing he is looking up in the same direction as on p. 41 when he was in the graveyard. In fact, the terrain is similar with gravestones in the first and tree stumps in the latter. Is it coincidence? Has this been discussed?

    • Yes it seems to reflect a story on his blog about cutting down trees for newspapers. I personally think he’s looking up at the moon and bird(too bad it wasn’t an owl) in an enchanted sort of way. I’ve given it a lot of thought…but that’s all I’ve come up with. I like the idea it looks like a graveyard…what could that mean? Hmm.

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