476 thoughts on “THE NINE CLUES….Part One

  1. I’ll get this started. Sense this is about the 9 clues I will start it at the beginning.
    There has be discussion about the first stanza. As I have gone alone in there And with my treasure bold, This is Forrest going to hide his treasure. I can keep my secret where, And hint of riches new and old. His hints will be about his treasure (new) and other treasures from the past (old).
    I think the place it is hidden has a history of “treasure” being found there in the past.

    • The first stanza could be the 1st clue if you go on the theory of new and old and the hints referring to both and makes the first stanza more meaningful then most interpret it to be.

    • i’ve thought that as well jw.. “treasures new and old” could be the treasure he put together, or it could relate to an area that was once mined for gold or artifacts??.. definitely something to consider. i still dont have all nine clues figured out, partly due to what you point out.

  2. For over 2 years now, to this very day, treasure hunters have been tackling “Put in below the home of Brown” while many others have been wrestling with “where warm waters halt”. Is Brown truly a clue? Personally I think not, or atleast not until you crack the Poem then the word Brown will be understood as to Mr. Fenn’s usuage. That’s my opinion folks. So worrying about the word Brown really is a waste of time…crack the Poem first…then you will see his meaning to Brown! To many things can be referred to the word Brown that is why everyone is going in circles about this word. Second the infamous “where warm waters halt”. Mr. Fenn has stated to start here! Obviously the “MOUNTAINS WILL NOT BE YOUR FRIENDS IN THE SNOW!” So being out there during winter will obviously not help with this…late Spring and Summer is the best time to solve this. Back to 9 clues of Mr. Fenn’s awesome poem…they are embedded within the Poem. Just reading the Poem normally will not bring the 9 clues to your eyes/mind. Mr. Fenn has created this Poem down to perfection…and when I say perfection I mean down to the last and final letter in the Poem.

    • I have to differ. “Put in below the home of Brown” is an important clue as to locale. There are so many different directions you can take with it. Simply delicious!

      • In a “don’t over think it frame of mind” where warms water halt (wwwh) is one of 100’s of hot springs run offs, or 100’s of Dams, or the NM fishing map. But one where you can put in below the home of Brown should somewhat single them out. OR home of Brown is setting the other boundry which could be 100 miles from the first boundry, which is wwwh.

    • put-in has 2 important meanings. 1) term used by rafters as safe area to put your raft iinto the river and 2) fish hatchery uses put and take signs to notify fishermen of new fish released into waterway, fish hatchery is at Questa, NM. Good Luck

  3. Well I was the first to discover that Mr. Fenn used every letter in the English alphabet, within his Poem, except the letter X. Does not X mark the spot on a treasure map? Sure does! Second the letter X is the 24th letter in the English alphabet and get this there are 24 lines in Mr. Fenn’s Poem! Isn’t that interesting! Third, at the end of Mr. Fenn’s Book he ends it with the OMEGA symbol and guess what the Omega symbol is the 24th and last letter in the Greek alphabet! HA I sure got your attention now, Huh?

  4. Jwhal
    Are you saying that you think the first clue is the whole first stanza? I think most people are considering “begin it where warm waters halt” as clue #1. My opinion about the first stanza is that is him more or less deciding about the treasure. “gone alone in there”= into his private study/room alone, “and with my treasures bold”= surrounded by his lifetime of collections. “I can keep my secret where”(?)= like he trying to think about where can he put his secret treasure? “and hint”=wrote the poem with clues, “of riches new and old”= his new treasure and the hunt made with old riches. I originally thought it was talking about going alone into a cave or mine to hide his new treasure where old treasures were hidden. However, there are too many other lines in the poem that I think are more qualifying of the nine clues. But, I am still having a hard time picking my 9 clues from what is left of the poem.
    I’m so glad Dal created the blog in this fashion. The more focused opinions the better!!!!

    • Your comments are very interesting and make some sense. I believe the 1st clue is the whole first stanza. “there” signifies a particular place, probably somewhere recognizable, and somewhere he went to alone…after having been there previously numerous times.

    • Jwhal,

      Thanks for starting the conversation and thanks to Dal for fulfilling the request.

      What I find so fascinating about the poem is the possible meanings behind the obvious. On the surface the first stanza looks like an introduction to the treasure hunt. It basically says that he hid a treasure and is going to give hints to it’s location. Behind that, he could be giving the first clue. Not the first clue as to “how” to find it… that would be “begin where warm waters halt”, but the first clue to the location. Perhaps someplace where riches were at one time, and his new riches are now. For some reason I like a dried up river bed where gold panning used to take place as a possibility.

      I see him saying he went to the location once alone (this also ensures us that no one else knows of the location) to make sure no one was there. The he went in again boldly, knowing no one was there. He could also mean that it is a place he has gone in alone as a boy, or when fishing or etc. The possibilities are many.

      I see the same with the last two stanzas. They appear to be a rational for why he is hiding the treasure and a closing to his poem, but I think there is much more there. Why does he tell us to “listen good” when we are “reading” his clues?

      I have not decided yet what my nine clues are. I still think there may be a clue for each sentence.

      Also, it is my understanding that when Mr. Fenn decided to do this, he knew immediately where he was going to hide it. I don’t think he spent much time figuring out where to put it. It is a place he already knew of and goes along with his saying that it’s a special place to him.


  5. I hope this is the right blog.

    I have another interpretation that is too detailed to post, but I feel okay with throwing this one out for scrutiny/comment. Most lines (87%) are exactly the same in both translations.

    As I have gone alone in there (he went in his safe room..)
    And with my treasures bold, (…with his treasures all around)
    I can keep my secret where, (nobody knows where)
    And hint of riches new and old. (with some new and some old pieces…)

    Begin it where warm waters halt (…he went to hide them beginning his journey in Santa Fe…) Clue 1
    And take it in the canyon down, (…he took them north in the Rocky Mountains to a canyon that he went down in…) Clue 2
    Not far, but too far to walk. (he drove) Clue 3
    Put in below the home of Brown. (…he stopped driving below the home of Brown) Clue 4

    From there it’s no place for the meek, (he felt confident that he could continue by foot…)
    The end is drawing ever nigh; (his hiding place was close) Clue 5
    There’ll be no paddle up your creek, (…he hiked up a rocky public creek…) Clue 6
    Just heavy loads and water high. (…he hid his chest using heavy stones…cautious that flash flooding might occur) Clue 7

    If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, (if you find and see his blaze…) Clue 8
    Look quickly down, your quest to cease (…look below, or south of, the blaze for the hiding place ) Clue 9
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze, (don’t fool around admiring the treasure or any other things…)
    Just take the chest and go in peace. (…leave with the chest)

    So why is it that I must go (he reflects on why he must go…)
    And leave my trove for all to seek? (…and hide his treasure)
    The answers I already know (he knows why…)
    I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak (…it’s because he feels that he is aging fast)

    So hear me all and listen good, (listen to what he has to say…)
    Your effort will be worth the cold. (…all of your outdoor excursions will be worth any discomfort)
    If you are brave and in the wood (if you brave getting out and searching…)
    I give you title to the gold. (…he transfers ownership of his hidden riches over to you)

    You can find all the letters comprising Santa Fe in the second stanza, for whatever this amazing revelation is worth. I know that many of you do not like the Santa Fe beginning theory, but no one has yet convinced me its not.

    All we need to do is pick a canyon to drive down in, recognize the home of Brown once we see it, find a nearby creek to hike up, recognize his blaze once we see it, and enjoy the cold. Good luck to us all, we will need it.

    • dollarbill
      Just curious why you rule out “waters high” as a waterfall? The piles of rocks where he could hide it could still be the heavy loads below or near it. Being hidden in the rocks would certainly keep it safe. I’m not familiar with that area and if flash flooding would occur that often, but maybe that’s why he says to take it quick. “tarry scant”
      Thanks for your explanations!!!!

      • I think a waterfall would be to slippery (dangerous) for the old and the young.

        Flash flooding is very common in the southwest during monsoon season. Flash flooding can occur other seasons as well and in other areas too. People have been caught in small canyons and stranded until the waters receded. People have been swept downstream in their cars while crossing washes. I have seen shallow flash flows coming down dry washes.

      • @dollar

        You wouldn’t specifically have to climb a waterfall. The blaze could be on a tree near a neat water fall.


    • As I have gone alone in there (He went to the treasure location by himself)
      And with my Treasures Bold ( He brought the chest with him)
      I can keep my secret where (Since he was by himself, he can keep the secret about where it is)
      And hint of treasures new and old (He can give clues to lead us to the riches in the chest)
      Begin it where warm waters halt (Hot springs, dam, River drainage, cold spring fed creek, ETC)
      And take it in the canyon down (Its in a River drainage somewhwere)
      Not far, but too far to walk (you may have to drive, crawl, swim, climb, fly, wade, float ETC)
      Put in below the home of Brown (The place in the canyon where you begin your search)
      From there its no place for the meek (you need to have guts to find it)
      The end is ever drawing nigh (the treasure is ALWAYS just around the next bend, boulder, ETC)
      There’ll be no paddle up your creek (You cannot get to the site by boat)
      Just heavy loads and water high (rushing water, waterfall, large boulders,High altitude, water, ETC)
      If you’ve been wise and found the blaze (Marker or trail)
      Look quickly down, your quest to cease. (under or south of the Blaze)
      But tarry scant with marvel gaze (don’t hang around staring at the treasure-COULD BE A CLUE)
      Just take the chest and go in peace (Take it and go)
      So why is it that I must go (Why is he doing this)
      And leave my trove for all to seek? (why is he leaving his chest there?
      The answer I already know (He knows why)
      I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak (he lived an adventure, and now he’s slowing, & getting old)
      So hear me all and listen good (PAY ATTENTION to him)
      Your effort will be worth the cold (plan on getting cold in order to retrieve the chest)
      If you are brave and in the wood (there’s that thing about having guts again, and in the trees, ETC)
      I give you title to the gold (find it and its yours!)

      • the home of brown i think is sand dumes where warms waters halt it must not rain much there the blaze is the word for place if you look at the sand dumes in colorado it looks like water and it has a place called high dome

      • Frank, it rains there about as often as it does anywhere else out here. The great sand dunes in the San Luis Valley are caused by wind blowing sand across the valley for millenniums that gets trapped up against the mountain side. There is a little mountain stream that runs through the dunes too.

    • In Line one, I should have used the word “vault” instead of “safe room” in my interpretation.

      When selecting your nine clues, you might want to consider the odds of making the correct selection.

      If each Line of the 24 lines could be a clue by itself, and we want to select 9 Lines to represent the 9 clues, and we want to do this in order (i.e. clue 1 first, then clue 2, then clue 3 etc.) I compute the likelihood of selecting all 9 clues correctly and in order is one in 4,744,467,051,520 = 24!/(24-9)! = 24!/15! = 24 x 23 x 22 x 21 x 20 x 19 x 18 x 17 x 16. You odds are a whole lot better when playing the lotteries.

      If you start combing Lines (selecting two or more Lines) to make up a single clue, the odds get a lot more complicated and my brain is not ready for that exercise. But I will venture to say that your odds get worse; especially, if one Line can be used in two or more clues.

      Instead, if only 9 words represented the 9 clues, I believe the odds would get even worse again.

      Would FF deliberately conceal his clues in his poem so that they were not at all obvious? I hope not.

      • Tim, I think you know this one. If FF did not hide a treasure, your odds of finding the the treasure are zero, zilch, nada.

        • Dollarbill
          So if the odds are zero that he never hide a chest than than the probability of someone finding it is 100 percemt Yes the odds of one person finding it are whatever but eiither someone is going to find it or not I just do not understand why you would spent all that time figuring the odds out because the odds could be zero so to me its pointless
          I think if you really try to narrow the poem done the odds maybe greater than you think
          so its more like 50/50 It is there or not there

      • The odds assume that each Line is equally likely to be a correct clue. The more Lines that you identify that are definitely not clues, the better your odds are for selecting the Lines that are clues, and your odds of being correct improve drastically.

        If you identify a Line as not being a clue and it is a clue, you just cut your own throat.

      • I would think that the odds of someone with pink toe nails finding the chest and then sharing its contents with the rest of us are real good. Be nice to her guys.

      • Wow decipher decipher calculating algorythms is not how the west was discovered! Its supposed to an adventure not a math problem! Lol

    • DollarBill,

      What reasoning are you using that “warm waters halt” = Santa Fe? what is it about Santa Fe that fits?


      • Bill-NM: The New Mexico Fishing Regulations defining warm waters. I just slightly rewrote my interpretations to make more sense. I intend to post them after this.

      • Bill-Nm: Also, it just makes sense to me that FF would begin the chase where he lived at the time of publishing his book, Santa Fe. I don’t know if he still lives there.

    • I hope these slightly revised interpretations read easier.

      He went in his vault alone,
      his treasures all around him,
      nobody knows where,
      consisting of some new and some old riches of the world.

      He went to hide his chest beginning his journey in Santa Fe, NM, (Clue 1)
      and then he took the chest down in a canyon north of Santa Fe, (Clue 2)
      not far, he went by car. (Clue 3)
      He stopped driving below the home of Brown. (Clue 4)

      He felt confident that he could continue by foot carrying a heavy chest,
      his new hiding place was close; (Clue 5)
      he hiked up a rocky public creek, (Clue 6)
      he hid his chest using heavy stones while being cautious that flash flooding might occur. (Clue 7)

      If you find and see his blaze, (Clue 8)
      look below or south of the blaze for the hiding place (Clue 9)
      and don’t fool around admiring the treasure or any other things,
      just leave with the chest happily.

      He asks why he must go
      and hide a treasure?
      He knows why
      and its because he feels that he is aging fast.

      Listen to what he has to say,
      your outdoor excursions will be worth any discomfort.
      If you brave getting out and searching the country side
      he transfers ownership of his hidden riches over to you.

      • Warnings about my interpretation of the poem:

        Line 2 of Stanza 4: Missing a comma at end.
        Line 4 of Stanza 5: Missing a period at end.

        This will slightly affect my interpretations and I wouldn’t want it to affect yours.

    • I like your idea of ‘ worth the cold’ didn’t think of it that way, but it sure could be the meaning. From this you can see that my spot has trouble with the clue of being cold.

    • If order is not important to you while selecting the 9 Lines that represent the 9 clues. n!/k!(n-k)! Your odds then become one in 1,307,504 assuming that each Line is equally likely to be a correct clue. Feel a little better?

      Eliminate 1 Line correctly as not being a clue: your odds become one in 817,190.
      Eliminate 2 Lines correctly as not being clues: your odds become one in 497,420.
      Eliminate 3 Lines correctly as not being clues: your odds become one in 293,930.
      Eliminate 4 Lines correctly as not being clues: your odds become one in 167,960.
      Eliminate 5 Lines correctly as not being clues: your odds become one in 92,378.
      Eliminate 6 Lines correctly as not being clues: your odds become one in 48,620.
      Eliminate 7 Lines correctly as not being clues: your odds become one in 24,310.
      Eliminate 8 Lines correctly as not being clues: your odds become one in 11,440.
      Eliminate 9 Lines correctly as not being clues: your odds become one in 5,005.
      Eliminate 10 Lines correctly as not being clues: your odds become one in 2,002.
      Eliminate 11 Lines correctly as not being clues: your odds become one in 715.
      Eliminate 12 Lines correctly as not being clues: your odds become one in 220.
      Eliminate 13 Lines correctly as not being clues: your odds become one in 55.
      Eliminate 14 Lines correctly as not being clues: your odds become one in 10.
      Eliminate 15 Lines correctly as not being clues: your odds become one in 1.

      • One way to look at the odds is:

        If you interpret the clue in each Line correctly, the odds could be the number of trips that you might have to take to in order to find the chest, assuming that you can thoroughly search all blazes along your destination in one trip.

        If you misinterpret the clue in a Line, the odds won’t mean a thing.

      • Warning:

        If Stephanie’s interpretation that the nine sentences in the poem are the nine clues that FF was referring to, then there may be many more actual clues in the poem and you should ignore any odds that I have posted.

      • Dollarbill, Forrest has said the the clues are listed in sequential order. One starts with the first clue (begin it where) and then proceed to the next clue and then the next.

        • I don’t think that he said they were sequential. He said that if followed “precisely” they would lead to the treasure. I don’t think you can substitute sequentially for precisely, only exactly or correctly. If followed exactly. Isn’t it a stretch to say if followed exactly in the order written? I don’t know. Dal?

      • Hi Molly, the word I heard him say was sequential. I’m not trying to prove it to you but that is what I heard. If I come across it again I will post the link for you.

    • Warning about my copy of the poem:

      Line 2 of Stanza 4: Missing a comma at end.
      Line 4 of Stanza 5: Missing a period at end.

      This will slightly affect my interpretations and I wouldn’t want it to affect yours.

    • It is best that you look at the punctuation in the poem in FF’s book, where dal has it posted, or where Old Santa Fe Trading Company has it posted.

  6. At one point i had joked around with Mr. Fenn in an email about having the combination to his vault and if i got it right would he give me title to his gold. His response was…it doesn’t require a combination just a key.

      • This is in relation to the DailyBeast article. Tony says that Forrest told him that the chest was exposed to rain and snow and that it was subject to forrest fires well. How true do you think this statement is? This would certainly imply that it is not in water if so.
        Another question more related to the 9 clues: The clues seem to give somewhat explicit directions up until the “heavy loads and water high” then stop abruptly. Anyone have a comment on why this may be?

          • Yes, he has said. I have read it or heard it in an interview directly from him. He said they are sequential. It might be hard for me to find it again, maybe Dal knows. I do remember things like that though and my standard is from him and not what others say he said. So don’t believe me but search it out. 😛

          • oops sorry, don’t know what happened but i was trying to reply to desparado88 but it went to the end and not under the thread. sorry for the duplicates/triplicates.

          • thanks jp.. watched every second of it. a good interview and you come away knowing forrest.. not entirely of course but he’s really genuine and admirable. this may sound nuts, but if i found the treasure, i dont know if i could take it…

          • Casey
            Please don’t take the chest if you find it and then tell no body where it is please.

        • Stu: My gut feeling is that the chest could be in water at certain times during the year but much of the time it isn’t. Subjected to snow and rain implies to me out of water during snow season and part of rainy seasons. The creek is probably in a wooded area subject to fires. I think that the directional clues stop because you are so close to the chest that you only need to find the blaze.

          • If it’s under snow like he’s said…then it must be a higher elevation…..because lower elevations aren’t snowy really. So I’d think it must be over 8000 I’d guess? What’s the elevation of YNP?

          • I believe the poem is complicated enough in its simplicity. I don’t think the clues are out of order or that numerology is a factor. I am a firm believer in the principles of Occam’s razor. The simplest answer is usually the right one. It happens to fit so many places seemingly that there lies the genius, but only one place perfectly.

          • i’m not entirely sure of the order aspect but your last comment is dead on.. “It happens to fit so many places seemingly that there lies the genius, but only one place perfectly.”

          • Stephanie
            Do you think if the chest is under snow at any time that FF would let us know that it should only be searched for in warm weather? I would hope he would give some sort of clue in the poem, because that would certainly be significant. I didn’t see where he said it was under snow.(I believe you, just didn’t hear that one) He talks about “the cold” but that’s not really a hint as to when to hunt, spring/summer,when snow is gone. I know most people would use common sense and not venture out into snowy mountains, but you never know. I guess he never said it should be a year round hunt, I was just assuming you could. I’m not saying you are wrong about the altitude, just makes me think that there is limited “treasure hunting season” if it is covered in snow for part of the year. Which also makes this whole thing more complicated! 🙂

          • No, Forrest would never say to only search at a certain time of year..he doesn’t give clues….I wish I could remember wear I heard it…it might have actually came from Dal…but I don’t remember…..if anyone said it…it would have been something like…I don’t know why they’re searching now…it would be under snow. Never a direct thing where someone said don’t search now…it’s under snow. Sorry that’s not help. Probably should just let it go so it doesn’t fog your thinking.

          • Steph
            I am not searching if its raining either or really windy or 120 degrees so be logical don’t go tell the weather is nice. This is a safety tip.

          • yeah good point…it really doesn’t matter if there’s snow or not as far as if you can get it or not…I’m just going to make sure to go when it’s not bad weather anyway….good good point Tim.

          • Steph
            Yeah the outdoors can be a bear and can contain bears as well, watch out for those brown cloads and brown bears or you could barely miss the blaze. This is dangerous for your body and mind and your wallet, it will make you meek and you will be seitting wet, cold, mindless and poor in dry creek.

          • I’m going on my 19th trip out West…so I get the wallet part…and I’m always safe these days…but I just liked what you said…because it doesn’t matter who said it was under snow…it just makes sense to not push and go in bad weather anyway…

          • Steph
            If you are coming back thru Albuquerque please look me up so I can take away your gun, computer, credit card and bear spray before you hurt yourself.

          • Yeah….I think if someone wants to make money on this besides the chest…they should open a bankruptcy law firm called The Thrill of the Case…we can all line up outside and hopefully get a discount. Ok, I’m not there yet….but another few trips and this might not be such a far fetched post lol. Gotta go now…need to just figure out a few spots and book a flight.

          • Hey Stephanie, I still think that the odds are in favor of someone with pink toe nails to find the chest. So, if you don’t find the chest in your next few trips, I think that I am willing to finance all of your future trips. I say think because I seem to always lose in Vegas. I wouldn’t ask for much in return. Of course I would want the entire treasure (100%) if you found it. I wouldn’t want to be responsible for a lot of money ruining your life. And, since your kids keep your house so clean while you are away, you would need to indenture them to me for my house cleaning. And, if your husband can do anything, he would be part of the indenture too. Any siblings, parents, aunts, or uncles willing to help you out? First mortgages on all your assets are certainly reasonable. You would be expected to fly baggage, thumb your rides, sleep in the wood, and trap your own food. Just let me know if you are interested after a few more trips.

          • Dollarbill and Steph-
            That’s a great deal. No difficult math to figure out with the split. I’m anxious to hear if Steph decides to take you up on it.

          • This recent NBC news is making everone be quit silly and I love it, if you get or getting my driff on this.
            I was suprised Dal has now found his funny bone more since he is on
            anti depressants maybe getting him and Forrest drunk now may have been a great idea that I had.

          • Dal
            Yes I will buy the first round if we can get f tipsy he may spill more beans so a way while back that was my original out of the box suggestion to get more clues
            I said lets all meet in Santa Fe and get f to come drink with us.

          • Steph
            You might have to show more than that depending where you put that trout tatto!!
            I could say more of what different kinds and where but I promised Dal I would keep my post G rated.

          • LOL the trout tattoo..funny you remember that. Never thought of placement on that. Funny too that Dal suggested I go all out..*kidding* Ok…was just a little “pirate” booty joke…I’m all PG here…

          • Tim, since you are buying the first round, a glass of 1907 Heidsieck champagne, please. After you say okay, I am sure FF will attend. Other rounds will sneak up on him, letting the cats out of the bag and spilling the beans. Knowing this, he just might bring the chest along with him.

          • Dollarbill
            Sorry to tell you but they do not serve that drink at the bar where I am buying the first rounds, I think they only have draft beer. But if I find the chest I will buy you the most expensive drink there though. So is round two on your tab so I can match you drink for drink?

          • tim, hows bout some general info for this traveler.. whats a can of bear spray cost out there ( 55.00 here)? whats the price of gas? whats the best casino? and do you pack when you’re out searching? thanks

          • Casey
            Gas in Albuquerque right now averages about $3.35 but you can find it for $3.28
            Buy it in Albuquerque cause Santa Fe and elsewhere is probably 4 bucks.
            Walmart has the Sabre Bear spray with holder for $41.99 in the sporting goods section
            if you are going on a public trail you really don’t need it.
            The best Casino is Route 66 just west of Albuquerque for me, just luckier there than elsewhere
            Now if you drink and swear I may have to get divorced and marry you.
            That is because my wife does’nt do slots or 21, and she is not a Fennaholic nor swears.
            If you coming thru stop by after your chase, not before and tell me a tale or two.
            Hope this helps

          • Casey
            You do know I am joking right cause we have’nt even met yet.
            So tell me if you get divorced then send me a picture.
            By then I will have found the chest and I will be rich and then you will not care what I look like.
            You’ll still just want the chest maybe. But I am a fungi, now nobody but maybe somebody someday if I could find the treasure. 🙂
            But finding it is not the most important thing.

          • I’ve started part two..
            Problem is ..if I close comments here then you cannot read them either. So for the time being both part one and part two are open for comments. I hope to figure out how to allow viewing of the comments but not adding any new comments.

            If you can…please move over to part two and add comments there rather than here…



          • Casey
            I forget to tell you what to pack but if you are on an established trail, take a hooded waterproof jacket, cell phone, some drinks, light snacks, another person and I always carry a lighter.
            You will not need bear spray unless you are by yourself.
            Now if you go where there may be not trail stay close to a creek and never lose sight of it
            I have hiked and camped over night and have been several miles off trail but if you do that let me know but I don’t think that is necessary in searching for the treasure.
            How about anyone else what do you pack and I am not referring to guns.

            Funny story here but I hiked and camped overnight one time and I carried a light cooler with coke and ice, I had a nice well designed backpack and was carrying 50 pounds. We were along with another couple and when we camped I pulled out ice cold cokes and I also drank the ice cold water.
            They kept staring at me the whole time and salivating, it was worth the extra 5 pounds. I did not share it with them cause I had carried it 7 miles.

            Joke: Two guys where hiking in the wilderness and they stopped to rest and removed their boots to give their feet some air. They both spotted a bear coming toward them in the distance and one guy was quickly putting his boots back on, the other guy said what are you crazy you can’t outrun that bear, the booted guy said of course not , all I have to do is outrun you.

            So again can we all tell Casey what caliber to pack or something I may have forgot?

          • tim you are fungi!.. you give good advice and your jokes arent bad either.. i got a good chuckle out of the scout joke and this one too.. as far as marriage goes, no sex, just blackjack and treasure huntiing! about packing..its legal to open carry right.. my interpretation of the law was no matter where you’re from you can open carry, no intention of it in town, just in the wild.. the caliber i’d be bringing probably isnt big enough, but i figure the bang alone would hopefully deter the attack?

          • Casey
            When you said no s&x I choked and spit my coffee all over my computer screen.
            When you were referring to packing sorry I thought you were referring to baggage.
            So I hope you are’nt traveling alone, if you are traveling with your mate did you tell him no s&x.
            My first rule of safety is never travel alone but if you are a packing patty that maybe different.

            Here is the NM law on packing (not baggage)

            Open carry in a national park is now allowed since NM allows open carry. The buildings in national parks should have signs posted saying no carrying inside the buildings.

            State parks do not allow any LOADED guns, open or concealed:

            New Mexico Outdoor Recreation Act
            Section 16-2-32 Criminal Offenses

            So look up this section and it will tell you more
            So if you change your mind on the first one bring viagra for me. LOL
            Sorry to say but I am not a big gun guy so look up more on the NM laws when traveling with
            guns in the car etc, plus since you said no s&x you would have been disappointed since I am also not a big gun guy.

          • thanks pal.. i spoke with a ranger earlier today about forest road conditions and they said they’s call me back.. was going to ask about the gun laws on public land when i talk with them again to, but ty.. and tim, i know you are jokester which is cool but we seem to have some confusion..lol dude, i’m a guy! talk to you later lol

          • Land sakes that is hilarious…I know there is a lot of talk about fishing on this site, but that is more like an episode of “Catfishing”

          • Price of bear spray at Dicks- $39.99
            Price of bear spray when you don’t have any and a bear is having you for lunch- priceless.

            I’m not sure the two deep rule is in effect with Grizzlies in the springtime.
            I’m always packing and that stuff works on the wolves too.

          • Of course Tim, as long as draft beer is all they serve. Likewise if I find the chest, or if Stephanie finds it while she is under contract with me.

          • I might be having second thoughts on that contract….not feeling so sure of any of my spots….anyone want to rent me one of there spots?

            Sent from my Samsung Galaxy™ S II 4GTHRILL OF THE CHASE wrote:

          • Dal put the kabosh on my selected site by proving that FF specifically said in the Rocky Mountains. I was fine until then. Now?????????

          • Dal’s humor sneaks up on you. I didn’t think he was funny for two years…then all the sudden I started to pee my pants every time we spoke…ok, TMI….maybe it’s my age and he still isn’t funny…coincidences can be like that.

          • LOL dollar…you had me laughing out loud. I was all prepared to accept your offer with dreams of lavish vacation eeerrr searches…till I realized I was thumbing a ride with probable serial killers. I’ll have to hold out for a better offer….by the way….they only cleaned it once without asking….the training is still in progress.

            Sent from my Samsung Galaxy™ S II 4GonceTHRILL OF THE CHASE wrote:

          • Stephanie/dal, now you know why I lose in Vegas.

            Stephanie, I am sorry that you are going to hold out for a better offer. I don’t think you will get one since we all now know that your children only cleaned the house once. It would probably be a deal breaker in my offer. I will have to think on it.

            Also, I don’t know how many serial killers there are out there, but I did not ask for your bear spray which you could use to fend them off, i.e., at least until it ran out.

            Keep up with the house cleaning training and let me know if you don’t get a better offer.

          • Wait wait wait…they only cleaned it once without prodding and poking. I can prod and poke if someone has cash money and won’t make me drive with serial killers…lol sometimes I type faster than I think(ask Forrest) and just spelled serious killers lol…..

          • Steph
            If you are coming thru Albuquerque please stop by so I can take away your gun, computer, credit card, and bear spray before you hurt yourself. I can ask Dr Phil to mediate if you like as well.

          • FF advises several email senders to wait for warmer weather and spring. I think it is on this Blogs ‘Forrest gets even more email’

          • Yes Dal found what it was that Forrest said…wasn’t that it was under snow…but basically said to wait till good weather to search.

          • Um Stephanie it has been a banner year for snow in the Rockies! One of the snowiest ski resort is in the SW part of Colorado it gets on average over 300 inches of snow a year. So yeah snow!

        • back in he old days everything was transported by horse and wagon high water may have stopped them from crossing

    • A key, a ferocious puppy dog(his cuteness is deceiving) , a security system and I think there’s a few people with weapons…and I don’t think they’re arrowheads….and those are only the security measures I’m aware of. There’s probably a trap door in there somewhere.

  7. After listening to/reading as many interviews as possible with Forrest, I am convinced that Where warm waters halt is the place to begin. he states that nobody is going to “happen apon the chest” and that you will have to figure out the clues, which will lead you “directly to the treasure”. In order for that poem to lead you “directly to the treasure” it seems to me the poems clues must fit the correct spot to a tee. For example, maybe his clues give a latitude or longitude. If there are nine numbers hidden in the poem, that would give you a longitude. eight numbers would give you a latitude. To go directly to the treasure I think you would need coordinates. If you can pull coordinates out of the poem that looks like a match to his words when you place them on the map, this could lead to the treasure. unfortunately, all of the numbers I find hidden within the text take me too far south, too far east, or too far west to be where he stashed it…. perhaps he scrambled the coordinates…? Or perhaps ther are no coordinates, and I need to go back to interpreting the text. If I use only the text, I find literally hundreds of places that COULD fit the clues, but it all becomes conjecture then. Forrest seems rather confident that the treasure won’t be found for a long tim, which makes me think that its not hidden in an area that gets a ton of people traffic, but then again, he says people have been within 500 feet of the treasure, and that the first two clues have been interpreted correctly by some, so I guess my coordinate Idea is shot! I will be out searchinga few spots in and around Yellowstone in July, followed by a spot in Northern New mexico… Good luck everyone! Be safe.
    Clue1=Begin it where warm waters halt
    Clue 2=And take it in the Canyon Down
    Clue 3=Not Far, but too far vto walk
    Clue 4=Put in below the home of Brown
    Clue 5=There’ll be no paddle up your creek
    Clue 6=Just Heavy Loads and water high
    Clue 7=If you’ve bee wise and found the blaze, look quickly down, your quest to cease
    Clue 8=Your effort will be worth the cold
    Clue 9=If you are wise and in the wood

  8. if i was to be so BOLD as to have imput to this blog, one might consider the first sentence has one unneeded word in it. the word AND. you can remove that word and make a different meaning out of that sentance. the AND would only fit there if there was a comma after the word there. but it has none. if you read the sentence fluiently, it reads–” as i have gone alone in there and with my treasures Bold” if you remove the word AND it gives a different meaning to the word bold. one might also look at the word treasures, not treasure, to me, that tells me his treasures that he is talking about here in this sentence is his life experiance”s well if we asume that the treasures he is talking about in this sentence,is not his chest of gold, but his storys he treasures. and if you want people to learn of these tails then you put them in a book. well that we know he has done. my question would be then. how would you be bold about giving clues? to me the answer is to boldy put them on the cover of the book by adding the word AND in that sentence without having a comma after the word THERE you change the context of the word Bold. just a thought!!!

    • Forrest could very well have thought of both meanings for the word treasure/s. It seems he often uses words that can have multiple interpretations.

      I have to differ with you on the work AND in the first stanza though, I think Forrest was trying to write a poem and poems frequently have a certain structure as to the emphasis of the syllables and the number of syllables in each line. Even with the AND in that line, it still does not have 8 syllables but it does flow well. Without the AND it would make for a more awkward structure.

      Dal, sorry if this belongs in a different forum but I wanted to answer George.

    • My thought would be that he means he is carrying his treasures to the spot. The treasures he has collected over the years and the treasure of his words. “and” while I believe that every stanza is important to understanding the poet, I do not believe that the 1st stanza has a true clue in it. I do feel like knowing that there is an “in there” is helpful, but perhaps not because it could just be redundant to “in the canyon down.”

  9. the north wall is where warm waters halt in the gulf stream. 2012 nm quarter – Frijoles Canyon north wall postcard – yellowstone park the list goes on and on

    • I agree that a person might have better odds correctly selecting the winners in all of the NCAA March Madness games than correctly interpreting all words in FF’s poem. But don’t you need to start guessing somewhere in order to have a chance of doing it?

  10. I live on nc coast where the warm waters halt. I THINK thats why it has not been found. Its not a dam ,a fishing hole or any of that. See what you think. The Gulf Stream separates from the US coast near Cape Hatteras NC (33°N, 75°W) and then travels eastwards across the North Atlantic, becoming the North Atlantic current at about 55°W. In the region between 75°W and 55°W it is subject to meanders and is frequently accompanied by eddies. The northern edge of the current is marked by a sharp fall in temperature. This is also the case at much greater depths, so that the warm current is pressed up against a wall of cold water, called the ‘north wall’. Monthly charts of the path of the north wall of the Gulf Stream have been available from surface, aircraft and satellite observations since 1966 and these have been used in several studies of the path’s variability. Remember what FF family does for a iving. good luck

    • wanda,

      Will you tell us how your theory puts the treasure chest in the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe. That is where Mr. Fenn has stated he hid it.


  11. put in below the home of Brown, i remember FF said we need a flashlight!! , well to me that means we need a tool to see, lets just leave out the why or where we need this tool to see.and think of a tool to see. if you look at the sentense about brown, he said PUT IN. that could also mean to include!!!. if you read all of FF adventures that mingle in the pages and follow where they lead you in your resurch. you will descover a name of a knight named brown, and when you learn of this brown you will understand that who he was can be used as a tool or flashlight to decipher the poem, and why you would PUT IN or include his rules in writing the key in this sentence is put in

    • i think is sand dumes is the home of brown and it is easyer for an 80 year old man to dig any place you look would be hard to dig

  12. I interpret put in to be.
    At that point you will be by the home of Brown and put in the river and be following the river to your next point.
    Now that is just for direction you will not actually be expected to paddle up a river.
    But it will be the path to your treasure.
    When your path is figured out you will use other means to get there I’m sure Forrest did not take the path of the poem to deliver his treasure.

  13. YES ,Find the north wall begin there. example
    1.) 2012 NM quarter
    The Chaco Culture quarter’s design shows two elevated kivas that are part of the Chetro Ketl . The design also shows the north wall of Chetro Ketl and the north wall of the canyon. The Complexpark was first established as a national site in March of 1907.

    2) The north wall Frijoles Canyon
    Linen Postcard-North Wall Ruins-Frijoles Canyon,NM

    3)Yellowstone National Park
    information on hikes, nature trails, and boardwalks in … This trail follows the north wall of the canyon past several exceptional views …

    2012 NM quarter-
    The design also shows the north wall of Chetro Ketl
    where is this Chaco Culture National Historical Park begin here
    # 2
    The north wall Frijoles Canyon
    Linen Postcard-North Wall Ruins-Frijoles Canyon,NM
    where is this -bandileir nat park. begin here

    warm water halts at the north wall
    BEGIN AT THE NORTH WALL not at the dam dam lol

    • Wanda, if I interpret your “begin at the North Wall” correctly: unless you lived at the North Wall, you would first have to drive down in and then up the canyon to the North Wall parking area before you began. Then you would need to turn around and drive back down in the canyon and stop along the canyon road below the home of Brown. i.e. to agree with the clues. Then you would need to hike back up the canyon along the creek until you found the blaze. Is this what you are proposing that a searcher do?

      Also, dal has a blog about the chest not being in Bandelier. Can your logic for the chest being in Bandelier outweigh his logic that it is not? If you do, I would be interested.

      • i did not say it is in Bandelier .I just gave you 3 examples of how you could find a startinng point using the north wall.

  14. Alright I’m gonna throw my wrench in the works….starting with “where warm waters halt, and take IT in the canyon down”

    That it may not refer to the treasure. It may mean the road, trail, stream or SOMETHING else.

    Just a thought.

    • I take IT to mean your search/chase/adventure what ever you want to call it. But that’s the way I interpret it.

    • I agree that “it” in this case very likely does not refer to the treasure.

  15. Dollarbill you know what i am saying. if you dont you need to fold.lmao
    everyone else understand. please coment

    • Wanda, no disrespect but your response does seem a bit a. Your posts are more confusing for me than FF’s poem. But I think that you are really saying something. I would like you to explain, but you seem to side track with ao. I am just trying to find out how people interpret FF’s poem and the 9 clues so that I may better formulate my interpretations. I will question you no more.

    • wanda you are referring to the jet stream, correct?? and that fluctuates doesnt it?? how could you start from a point that changes? i ‘m like bill i think your idea is interesting but?? idk ..seems we’re still starting somewhere north of sf..

      • At first I thought she was saying to draw a line from where the warm and cold waters in the ocean but up against each other forming a sort of wall. But now I think that she is saying that since they call where that happens “The Wall” that you need to look for another place referred to as “The Wall” to start your search. Not to be rude but personally I think this idea is a bit off “the wall.” However I am not saying that is always (or even ever) a bad thing.

    • Wanda, The North Wall could be the north wall of a building, or the north wall of an east/west canyon, and is no more confusing than a dam, or a confluence. The main thing is to find the correct north wall, if that is how you interpret warm water halting, or the correct dam if that is where you interpret warm waters halting. Your interpretation is just as viable as anyone elses’ at this point since the treasure has not yet been found to prove either/ any interpretation wrong. It makes sense to me. Thanks for your interpretation. It’s nice to hear something new besides damn dams, and damn river confluences. Good Luck!

  16. Here’s how I broke out the clues; at least for now. I labeled them major and minor clues, or specific direction clues and confirming clues is another way to look at it. Just a way for me to sort through the clues while considering spots to search. To me the poem describes three locations: the beginning, a way point (or middle) of the search, and the end location where the treasure is……It will be interesting to hear how others look at the clues.

    1.Begin it where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down
    Where to start and what to do next

    2.not far, but too far to walk. Put in below the home of Brown.
    How far to the next spot, what the next spot is, and what to do when you get there. Some consider this to be 3 clues, but I look at it as the description of one spot.

    3.From there it’s no place for the meek, the end is ever drawing nigh;
    Description of next spot (below home of Brown), and how far to go.

    4.there’ll be no paddle up your creek, just heavy loads and water high.
    Which direction to take and what to look for next.

    5.If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, look quickly down, your quest to cease,
    At the third and last location (heavy loads and water high), find a blaze (marker).

    6.but tarry scant with marvel gaze, just take the chest and go in peace.
    What to do after finding the treasure.

    7.The answers I already know, I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak.
    He hid the treasure as an old man, so it’s easy to get to. (Should this be a major clue?)

    8.So hear me all and listen good, your effort will be worth the cold.
    Apparently it’s cold somewhere along the route or maybe all of it. (Not sure about what this means)

    9.If you are brave and in the wood I give you title to the gold.
    The quest will require some bravery and it (the treasure?) is “in the wood”. Not real sure how to interpret this.

    • incorrect – your #5 is the finish.. imo, there are at least 3 clues in your 8 and 9, and they should actually be factored in somewhere between 3 and 5.. 🙂

      • @Casey: It’s really interesting how different folks are splitting up the clues. I’m doing it basically by location:

        •The beginning: warm water halts
        •The way point: below home of Brown
        •The end: heavy loads and water high

        I’m certainly open to rearranging my clues and priorities. Thanks for your input; it does help me to get different viewpoints.

      • i see, you did have 5 as the end, in terms of the location.. my bad.. i guess what i’m impying is, 8 and 9 have to factor into those initial or beginning clues as well.. thats my cloudy view anyway>. yw, on the input, i certainly like seeing how everyone else is interpreting things too..

    • Has anyone thought that the clue, “not far, but too far to walk” might refer to one’s positon in relation to the canyon. The “home of Brown” might be a short verticle drop to the canyon floor (where a “creek” might flow) — “not far” down a cliff from the canyon rim to get there, but impossible to traverse by foot. To “take it in the canyon down” might require a circuitous route by car to get there, a distance “too far” to walk.


      • BTW, perhaps a hot spring is near the canyon rim and trickles down to the canyon floor / creek near the home of Brown.

        • Spire
          I have learned that there is a place in New Mexico that is downstream of a hot spring and the water drops down a cliff 100 feet to a cold river.. From there it is too steep to climb down into and the stream below which is a river is full of Brown trout. So if you look down the clff which is far but is too far to walk because you cannot walk down the cliff, so to get to the bottom you would have to go down a canyon then put in the river to get back up to that location. So you might be able to see the chest from above and then you might want to hurry down and back up the river to get it before it is gone. LOL
          I am happy to report that I work with an environmental scientist that knows all about New Mexico and has also met forrest several times in the past. He told me about this place which I have not gone to yet. I have been discussing my current hot spot with him and he likes that area better.
          This was a major breakthru for me because the other day I was hoping I could find someone to help me figure out logical locations and lo and behold this scientist walks right by my work area.
          Why I didn’t think of using him before I have no idea but bingo there he was. He was not really interested in looking for the treasure either so better for me. So now with his help it is 50/50 split.
          LOL guys if it is in New Mexico watch out. I asked and I received help was that Divine or what, I am not overly religous but I might have to be if I remotely ever find the elusive treasure.
          Oh and the spot downstream of the hot springs is North of Santa Fe, in the Rockies and above 5,000 ft.and has no outhouses there and is in a national park.
          I will not tell you where it is though sorry. I am not bragging here and this is a true story but I thought I would share it cause it was a strange experience.

          • Tim, thanks for the blog. I celebrate your “divine intervention!” Perhaps we’ve both experienced it in different, but similarly synchronistic, ways! The way you describe “your spot” seems eerily the same as mine. I wonder if we are thinking of the same spot! I am planning a trip to my spot sometime next week; probably Tuesday through Thursday. Shall I see you there?! Cheers!

          • Spire
            That spot I mentioned was the environmental guys spot not mine. I have doubts on his spot because it is pretty remote and we are both thinking f might have had trouble getting the chest there but then then I asked if there were any fire roads near it and he said yes but did’nt know much about them.
            So even it is remote area it could have a back door of sorts that nobody uses but the forest service.
            The spot I have is more credible and easier to access and what he is telling me how forrest is it fits better and he likes it.
            So hope you don’t lose too much in traveling to search or at the casino.
            If you want to know my hot spot you’ll have to visit while in Albuquerque, the last person that stopped by after searching and was traveling from South Carolina I had him jumping up and down saying that it, thats it where is that on the map.

      • Back east we have the old saying “can’t get there from here”

        As I look at that line, I have almost always thought that I would be looking accross a small canyon, and can see where I want to be, but have to go back and get there from another way because the canyon would be impractical or dangerous to cross.

        This goes back to my original thought of, Forrest did not get there in the same way as he is giving us the clues to get there.

        • Thanks Sandsailor, Yes! But we may not need to physically explore each location that the poem seems to indicate. If we can do this intellectually we might get to the treasure using Fenn’s same simple path.

      • Tim,

        My spot includes taking a Forest Service road to a somewhat isolated area (though not that far) — a “back door” as you say. This spot would allow easy access to a creek where the treasure might be located. Want to meet before my search?

        • Spire
          Yes I like meeting Fennaholics I am in Albuquerque Uptown about 7 miles from the airport
          Just let me know when in the email, plus no bear spray needed when visiting

    • ♥ Thanks Wanda ♥

      I had to divide it up, other wise it is just too confusing; at least for me. It will be interesting to hear how others are looking at it.

      • Thanks for your post. In my playing with the poem in Microsoft Word, I lost a comma at the end of one Line and a period at the end of another Line. If your view is correct, it definitely does affect the number of actual clues that people will find in the poem. A whole new world is opening up.

  17. i did not say it is in Bandelier .I just gave you 3 examples of how you could find a starting point using the north wall.

  18. It is very interesting to read everyone’s interpretation of these clues. Most of these interpretations are very vague in nature. I believe that FF intended precise direction. I don’t want to disclose my interpretation (which is quite direct) as I have not had a chance to get away from work but I believe that “listen good” (while it is incorrect English???) has significant meaning. Most of Mr. Forrest Fenn’s clues have double meaning—which I believe was meant to mislead. He claims he is ambivalent about its’ discovery which is why, at first glance, the poem appears indirect. I am truly enjoying the research as this area in New Mexico is very familiar to me.

  19. The line “not far, but too far to walk.Put in below the home of Brown.” could simply mean you can’t reach the spot directly from the home of Brown.
    The Brown home is at the top of the canyon and the objective is at the bottom, so no direct access if you are at “the home of Brown”
    So in that case you actually enter the canyon somewhere downsteam from the home of brown and walk upstream towards it. If its rough water below a falls “there will be no paddle up your creek” and the rocks and rapids beside you are “heavy loads and water high”

    • @Dave;
      That’s interesting and many folks agree with you……..In my solution that takes me to my special spot, not far, but too far to walk. Put in below the home of Brown is literal. It is literally not far to where I “put in”, literally below the home of Brown. No paddle up your creek means to go downstream and heavy loads and water high is the destination where the blaze is.

      It’s really interesting hearing all the different solutions folks have come up with.

      • musstag i agree.. thats how im interpreting too.. put in below the home of brown.. so your starting low and going high… the treasure is somewhere in between.. simple as pie 🙂

      • @Musstag,
        You could be correct, it could mean go up stream…….I look at that clue as a direction clue; so when I find the location below home of Brown I look both ways (up and down stream) to see if it fits…….Down stream works for my literal spot…..I haven’t been able to make it fit anything else yet.

        That of course assumes we are in a stream or creek to start with. If up your creek is metaphorical vs. directional I don’t have a clue (pun intended) 😀

  20. Some people are trying to get longitude and latitude numbers from the poem, these are comprised of degrees, minutes and seconds. Degrees should be enough, from Santa Fe to Colorado the latitude spread is 35-36 degrees, from Arizona to Texas the longitude spread is 103-108 degrees. Hope this helps. James

  21. There’s no reason why you should be following all of the clues in sequential order. Although the 2nd stanza starts with “Begin it”, that maybe be interpreted as the beginning of a stream or a road.. not necessarily a chronological marker. The fact that there are many references to “below” and “down” makes me think that each of the clues are descriptors rather than sequential tasks.

  22. My own father is an 80 yr old retired Air Force Lt. Colonel. My father also happens to be Autistic. (Not saying FF is). So when I started interpreting this, I read it as if my father wrote it. He would say things like “Megan, the fountain of life flows much more freely when you don’t run over it with a hamster cage.” My response ” No dad, I didn’t run over the sprinkler with the car.”
    So, you see what I mean…cryptic messages are something I’m used to and fond of.

    I almost posted this in the Utah blog…. But because I can’t decide where it ends, I’m going to post my thoughts here about each clue and get everyone’s take…and maybe help broaden the way we all think of Mr Fenn’s poem.

    As I have gone alone in there
    – There…being the story. He has gone alone into his thoughts.
    And with my treasures bold
    – his knowledge and life that he is putting on display
    I can keep my secret where
    – his mind will always hold his secret(s)
    And hint of riches new and old.
    – Giving us all a peek into the stories he finds fascinating. As he has a love for the Trappers of the west, and their stories, his poem has lead many into researching and searching…finding out information about the new and old riches the land had/has to offer.

    Now, I’m going to explain a bit before going on…starting with Osborne Russell (one of FF favorites), who met up with Joe meek at Hebgen Lake, and were attacked by Indians. Joe Meek was separated from the group, and continued on his journey with Newall. Well, after years of Trapping, they wanted to leave behind the business, and headed out of the mountains, They ended up on the Green River when it was frozen over, and they did the unthinkable…and took their horses on the frozen river, down the canyon through Brown’s park, and into a small town at the bottom of the Uintahs. This marked “the end of trapping” in general. Joe meek was done, and the era of trapping went with him. After this, he bought Newall a handcart, and they travelled on to the Oregon Trail to start a new life. (Pardon the severe mistreatment of history being smooshed into a paragraph, with likely a few errors as the information came from many sources in a short period of time)

    Begin it where warm waters halt
    – The story begins at Hebgen Lake, where the warm waters from Yellowstone mix with the cool lake. Or, you could even start it at the Green River where it was so frozen, they could take their horses on it.
    And take it in the Canyon down,
    – the story takes the Green River down the canyon.
    Not too far, but too far to walk.
    – Time. They spent time in Brown’s Hole (Park) during the hard winter. But it wasn’t long. What isn’t necessarily far, but is impossible to walk? Time.
    Put in below the home of Brown.
    – Meek and his friend were tired of their life in the mountains. They had put in a lot of time.

    From there it’s no place for the meek,
    – Joe Meek decides he is finished.
    The end is ever drawing nigh;
    – This historically marked the end of the trapping era
    There will be no paddle up your creek,
    Just heavy loads and water high.
    – I combine the two because they bought a handcart and joined the Oregon Trail…where they had to cross many rivers with their heavily burdened ferry’s and forges.

    If you’ve been wise and found the blaze
    – if you have used your intelligence and discovered the story or path it has taken
    Look quickly down, your quest to cease.
    – skip to the end of the story…. Your quest of information has ended

    And honestly, that is the problem.
    Reading the poem as a marker to another story has actually helped me find locations as I search their relevance, but reading it as this story has me at the end of the poem with no physical location… So, this is why I’ve posted that here. If interpreted that way, it still could lead to a physical location, but I haven’t put a ton of energy into this particular interpretation because each location it talks about is never mentioned as being special to Forrest as far as I can tell. I’m one of the lucky ones waiting on my book.
    I have a location I’m going to hit when the snows melt. If it yields nothing, then I may focus more on this interpretation… Otherwise, I leave it for anyone else.
    And if anything, I hope it leads to others seeing the poem in a new light.

    -We only see what we want to see. So open your eyes.-

    • A seemingly unique and deep interpretation of the poem, obviously from someone well read on FF’s life. As you say, it lacks any physical directions or direct clues as to the location of the treasure. But, if your interpretation is the correct one, many of us might be in deep trouble in our search. Very interesting interpretation, I like it. Maybe FF intended for his poem to contain two subject matters, excerpts from his life and a hidden treasure map.

    • Thank you 🙂
      I realize now, I wrote that at 1am. So some of it doesn’t make sense. Oh well. :). The idea is still the same… We might be interpreting the clues too literal. Or, in this case – not literal enough. Hard to find a good medium when you know the man is so intelligent!

    • With your interpretation to look down to the end of the poem, I have 9 clues within the 9 sentences of the poem. However, my 9 clues are the 4 Lines in Stanza 2, the 4 Lines in Stanza 3, and the first line in Stanza 4. I now think that the blaze is the actual treasure chest. Thanks for posting your thoughts.

    • This goes along with my thoughts…… but I cannot decide on a final place either, there are a few things that fit this thought process……think think think……. my brain hurts lol!

    • PS I love the hamster cage example! If you get bored share some more! That was awesome! I need to start talking to my daughter that way, shes 8 and loves to expand her mind!

  23. My grandfather was a game warden in southwestern Montana for several decades. There’s no one alive that knows southwestern Montana better than him. It was his life.

    He’s in the process of writing a book about his experiences, and I’ve been typing up his stories for digital editing, as technology is really not his cup of tea. One story of the Gallatin area in particular caught my eye and seems to have several similarities to the poem’s clues.

    He discusses a small cave where he found a packrat nest. Something in the nest caught his eye, and a bit of poking around revealed an old pouch. The bottom of the pouch had been chewed through by the packrats. Some further exploration uncovered several other personal items. The result of his exploration led him to believe that the cave was used by Henry Plummer:

    1. “As I have gone alone in there” –> The word choice “In” may refer to a cave.

    2. “And hint of riches new and old” –> Perhaps this is a reference to this small cave, with the old riches being that of Plummer, and the new being the Fenn treasure.

    3. “Take it in the canyon down” –> The cave was located up a steep embankment off the main canyon.

    4. “Put in below the home of Brown” –> There is a fast running stream near the cave. He doesn’t mention whether or not there are brown trout, so I cannot confirm that until I speak with him.

    5. “No place for the meek” –> The path up to the cave is steep and there isn’t much of a trail.

    6. “The end is every drawing nigh” –> The cave is on the left as you walk up the side of the stream.

    7. “There will be no paddle up your creek” –> The stream description seems to indicate that it would be much too fast for anyone to paddle upstream.

    8. “Heavy loads and water high” –> The runoff from the surrounding mountain makes the cave inaccessible during the spring and early summer.

    Of course, that’s only eight matches. The obvious missing clue match is the warm waters halting. I imagine there are many ways to enter the canyon mentioned, so perhaps he entered the canyon in a different place than that of Fenn…

    He does mention that the view from the cave is noteworthy, perhaps a “marvel gaze”, and that it blends in to the landscape in such a manner that it is less than two miles from a major roadway, and is virtually invisible unless you approach from a certain spot.

    • Extemporizer
      That was realy good thinking but I do ny believe it is in a cave
      Reason why I do not becaus putting in a cave to me would be like burying it and f said it is not buried
      Two you would need a flashlught to go in a cave and f said that is only needed if it gets dark outsdet
      Yyou said on #6 it is on the left where did you learn that nigh is left. I know that nigh is left but how did you find that out?

      • Nigh has multiple definitions, including ‘on the left side of an animal or machine.’
        Actually…almost every descriptive word he uses has multiple meanings, and many with a direction involved.

      • Tim-
        Forrest never said “it is not buried.”
        What he said was “I never said it was buried.”
        That does not leave out the possibility that he buried it.
        It could be buried or not at this point.
        He has never given us any clearer statement about buried or not.
        However, in my simple mind the fact that he protested for two years every time a reporter said it was “buried”, highly suggests to me that it probably is not buried.

      • I would not rule out a cave. And if it wasn’t a very deep one you would not need a flash light. However a flashlight might be helpful and if it’s inside a narrow cave in a crack or something a little extra light might mean the difference between discovering it and not. Personally I always carry a flashlight when I go hiking anywhere, even on a short one. You never know when or why one might come in handy. I also carry a knife, flint, extra water and some snacks because you never know.

  24. A less scientific but more practical approach to “warm waters halt” is this: Water never halts, it is in constant motion on our planet even though it may “halt” at a dam. However, Warm water can suddenly stop (halt) being warm for a time. It does this when it comes into contact with more cold water than warm water. There is no reason why the theory of a hot springs laden creek running into a cold river holds less water than the dam theory – pun intended. “The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.” Terry Pratchett.

    • Stu
      Forrest was jokester so don’t rule it out and a confluence could be correct
      But not many people know a confluence does that
      I think f made the start point easy but the end harder.
      Better yet is there a dam located near a confluence in a canyon?

      • Ha, your post just made me think of : ” In a cavern, in a canyon, excavating for a mine…lived a miner, 49er, and his daughter Clementine!” So maybe we are looking for a cave in a canyon. Ha ha!

        • Molly B
          Now everyone sing

          Oh my darling, oh my darling,
          Oh my darling, Clementine!
          Thou art lost and gone forever
          Dreadful sorry, Clementine

          Light she was and like a fairy,
          And her shoes were number nine
          Herring boxes, without topses,
          Sandals were for Clementine

          I am lost but not forever
          Thanks Molly my Clementine

  25. Dal, the new post organizetion is fantastic. I have been monitoring all of the blogs almost daily for over a year and this helps tremendously. Most of the posts, both old and new, are extremely useful to people who do not know where to start their research and people refining their thoughts. Like me, I am sure thousands of people are using these posts to extract kernels of cryptic information from people that have done a lot more research, are natural treasure hunting wizards, or information from Forrest himself transmitted through your site. The most helpful posts involve some specific geographic thought such as a search elevation, a specific town, a river, how far a searcher has gone down or up a canyon, etc. It appears that some people want the world to know that they are on it and that they have the location identified (even before they may not have actually searched themselves). We are all grateful to them when they give us a confident view of their interpretation of The Chase..I hope more people continue to share specific ideas. I have been on the trail six times in the last year searching with no luck but have had some great experiences. With all the new faces to the hunt, I am hopeful a new pair of eyes can express an idea or location that I have not thought of so I can move forward in refining my next spot. Thanks again for your work.

  26. “If you are brave and in the wood”
    Here is another poem to consider written as an epigraph, or a little appetizer by Robert Louis Stevenson in order to sell his book ‘Treasure Island”.

    If sailor tales to sailor tunes,
    Storm and adventure, heat and cold,
    If schooners, islands, and maroons,
    And buccaneers, and buried gold,
    And all the old romance, retold
    Exactly in the ancient way,
    Can please, as me they pleased of old,
    The wiser youngsters of today:

    — So be it, and fall on! If not,
    If studious youth no longer crave,
    His ancient appetites forgot,
    Kingston, or Ballantyne the brave,
    Or Cooper of the wood and wave:
    So be it, also! And may I
    And all my pirates share the grave
    Where these and their creations lie!

    I don’t know if there are connections to “Ballantyne the brave”- a writer of children’s adventures and “Cooper of the wood and wave” – better known as James Fenimore Cooper, author of pioneer life and sea adventures, but the coincidence of the poem, the book, treasures and these words seem serendipitous at the least. This may be a red herring but does anyone know Treasure Island well? It’s been too long for me.
    As a side note: Babes in the Wood is a traditional folk tale where children are, to make a long story short, murdered and buried in the wood under leaves.
    I bring these up only because I believe Mr. Fenn is a well read person would would be familiar with these older stories. I think it more likely that he would make literary references like the ones above rather than hidden mathematical references to coordinates. Of course, maybe that’s just how I think.

  27. Now Forrest did mention people have emailed him that had figured out the first two clues and I certainly would love to have been on a fly on the wall when he read them but that doesn’t necessarily mean they had the right location, for example… somebody emails Forrest saying that warm waters halting is a particular hot springs meeting with a river, he may have been saying that they were right in that conclusion but… that doesn’t mean they had the right hot springs… or that the home of brown is somehow related to trout but again that doesn’t mean they had the right home of brown. Point being I had started to look closer at some of the more common associations with what could be the first two clues but now I just think that narrows my mind to other possibilities.

  28. Where warm waters halt-
    I think the largest body of warm water in this country where warm waters actually halt is the Great Salt Lake. No outlet on that lake. So warm water definitely halts…unless you consider evaporation. But for the purposes of this poem the Great Salt Lake is a perfect place for where warm waters halt. Searchers might point out that the Great Salt Lake is not in the mountains. True enough but I am one that does not believe we necessarily have to begin in the mountains. We only need to end up in the mountains.

    Of course the problem with the Great Salt Lake is that there is no outlet so there is no canyon below it. So it is an apparant dead end.

    The Great Salt Lake is what’s left of a much larger lake that existed thousands of years ago called Lake Bonneville. Lake Bonneville was not much smaller than Lake Michigan at it’s peak. The principle reason it is no longer there is because part of the mountain wall that contained it finally collapsed. Millions and millions of gallons of water rushed out of there through a pretty small opening and washed out the Snake River Valley in Idaho. That collapse was at Red Rock Pass on the Idaho/Montana border above Henry’s Lake. This place is not far from Yellowstone country and Hebgen Lake. Before it collapsed it might be considered by some as the place where warm water halted. Maybe some better minds than mine can consider that for awhile.

    • There are at least two other areas in NM that are same as Salt Lake, but this puts you south of SF. If you want to get real geological start looking up the Western Interior Seaway, might be a stretch where the poem is concerned, but some interesting reading for sure.

    • @Dal;
      That’s a very interesting train of thought you have there that opens up a whole other way of looking at the poem, and certainly begs for us to do more research on the idea. I lived in Utah and Wyoming for a few years and really loved the geology of the area; Snake River, Canyonlands, the mountains, Salt Lake, etc. Here’s a website if anyone wants to read about Lake Bonneville.

      Do you think Fenn stuck to the same psychological view or frame of reference throughout poem? For example your clue involves geology from 17,400 years ago, are all the clues referencing ancient history (cliff dwellings, Clovis people etc.) or do you think the clues bounce from one time frame to another. Also, do you think the clues are more literal or metaphorical in nature or do they also bounce from one frame of mind to the other?

      If I’m prying too much into how you are searching just ignore me….I’m used to it. 🙂 I just find all the different ways of looking at the poem (like your Lake Bonneville theory) very interesting.

      • Goofy-
        I go back and forth between the clues being physical…that is matching elements of the landscape…and metaphorical. But I don’t mean the kind of metaphorical that relates to anagrams or rainbow colors or secret codes. My kind of metaphorical would be a relation to a painting or sculpture by a (probably famous) western artist called “Taking the Canyon Down” (for example). The art would depict a particular place. I also consider Native American legends. For instance, is there a Crow legend about “where warm waters began and halted”? Again my hope would be that the legend relates to a specific place where I can start.

      • Dal, thanks for your thoughts on the poem. They make perfect sense considering Fenn’s area of interest.

        Man, there are so many different ways to look at the poem it makes my brain hurt sometimes; just a slight difference in perspective gives the poem a whole new meaning…….Maybe I should just give up and go get a PHD in Quantum Mechanics…..That would have to be easier than figuring out this poem. 🙂

  29. This just in from Forrest-
    Dal, I’m getting lots of email from people that say someone claims to have found the treasure. Can you assure them that 14 different men have made bogus claims to have found the treasure but no one has. f

    • This is one thing that makes your site so great. FF informs you directly and you inform us. Or is that two things? Whatever, thanks!

    • Thanks Dal. I sure don’t want to waste a lot of time searching for clues on the internet waiting for the snow to melt in the Rocky Mountains when I could be outside in sunny California having a warm and dry adventure! 🙂

      • Hi Dal, been doing lots of reading and thinking on the subject of the hunt. The only thing that keeps me from thinking the chest wasn’t found by JB, or someone before him, is that Fenn keeps insisting it hasn’t been found. One thing I don’t get is how he is so sure that no one has found the treasure if he hasn’t been to it? He can see it from his back porch or another location. He can see it.

        • That point has been an item of discussion since the beginning. I have not yet heard a satisfying solution. We will all find out together once the chest is found.

          It’s too bad that the only reason you believe it has not been found is because Forrest keeps insisting it has not been found. Of all the people that claim to have found it not one has provided any evidence..no photo..no treasured piece..no empty chest. I may not be a world authority on human nature but I have lived long enough with humans to understand that many chose glory over honesty.


        • I’m pretty sure that he checked on it right before winter and he knows it’s under a great deal of snow or ice and that’s how he’s sure. He’s said in past couple winters that it’s under snow…. So I’m almost positive it’s more that it’s impossible to get at the moment. That leads me to believe that it’s either at a higher elevation or it’s in the northern states like up in YNP.

      • Hi Stephanie,

        Do you remember when he said it was under snow? Is there a link to it? How do you know that he checked on it?


        • Ok it’s all hearsay…but this guy Ronald said that he heard Forrest said that he had checked on it and it was last fall. So you have to take that with a grain of salt….Forrest always says only to believe the poem and book…but of course he posts things through Dal that I would believe 100%. I’m pretty sure he’s said to me in the past or might have been Dal that said to me that it was under snow…so wait till the weather is nicer to go look. I wouldn’t take that as fact though, because I don’t even remember where I heard it. Sorry I’m not much help…but I do believe it to be true.

  30. Just have to say that for me the clues are more literal. If not, then thousands of thousands of places come in to play. Someone previous had mentioned just find a canyon with a side creek that is located in the Rocky Mountains. Huh? This would take even my grandson years to discover. Ha. Do not think that was Forrest’s plan. Maybe wrong, though. I am going literal and have a trip already planned for July. Thanks to Forrest and Dal! Good luck to all in “the chase”.

    • From what I think Forrest had in mind. I would guess it will be found not far from a recreational trail. Maybe 500 yards or so from one. Might explain why he said people have been within 500 yards of it.

  31. I’m still thinking about “Where warm waters halt”. The term warm is relative, warm compared to what? Water has 3 states, solid, liquid and vapor. So warm water(liquid) would stop when it’s in it’s solid state (ice/snow). Any one consider the starting point to be at the foot of a glacier or permenant snow field? A little different spin on the warm water idea relating to hot springs or lakes/dams.

    • I thought the same after i pulled the 2 adjectives in that line, replaced them w/ synonyms and got “Begin it where melt water stands”. Could it be a Glacial Lake???

      • it has been mentioned somewhere on this blog.. myself, i like the possibility of it and have a couple of locations in mind. not knowing new mexico makes it pretty tough though.. there seem to be lots of lakes to consider..

    • Lake Solitude in Wyoming is glacial, It also gives meaning to the “gone alone in there alone” line, it outlets to Cascade Creek which flows “down” Cascade Canyon Trail ending in “Death Canyon” (which I assume is no place for the meek)

    • … to continue the trail then leads to two other nearby landmarks of interest, Mt. Meek and at the base of Mt Meek a dry creek bed sitting on “Death Canyon Shelf”

  32. To me this is a big subsequent clue. Many “hunters” have been within 500 feet(not yards) of the treasure. Good luck to all in “the chase”.

  33. Hello everyone,

    I have a question about this quote from FF.

    “some folks correctly mentioned the first two clues to me in an email and then they went right past the other seven, not knowing that they had been so close”.

    This would seem to suggest that the clues are in the same local. Is there another way to read or interpret this?

    What does he mean with “they went right past the other Seven?


    • JP-
      I believe that’s more “Texas” slang. It means they just plum didn’t get em.

    • Well…I just had a recent search where I was at a ski mountain…I figured that was where there was no warm water…then I took it down the canyon passed a chalet that’s name had Brown in it. If I had continued through the town where there was a dry creek…I would have passed the area where there were big boulders, and a waterfall and if I hadn’t gone back behind those to the wooded area where there was a hollowed out stump…I too would have gone right by the other clues….so it seems to me that the person could have had ski hill…and the chalet and then drove by the other ones as in my example.

        • I had multiple locations I was searching…and some I couldn’t get to…there was feet of snow all around, but we just got passed the snow when we got to this place…. I seriously thought the treasure was gone on this search…..there was a hollowed out stump that was done on purpose and plenty of room to hide the chest.

      • ty stephanie.. i say that because you always respond to my posts.. tyvm.. i must say you are quite sneaky too as you didnt lead on to anyone that you were going out there..lol thats pretty cool.. do you rent a car when you’re out there? or at this stage do you just leave one at the airport? 🙂

        • I’ve gone to different states out West…so I rent a car when I get to the airport. We made a lot of trips with our own vehicle, before I lost the fear of going on a plane. Hopefully I keep answering…my email seems more like a pinball machine. I can’t imagine what Dal’s and Forrest’s are doing.

      • just so you know, i’m a former illinoisan, now hoosier, married with children and a die hard cub fan..in other words , kind, caring and friendly.. i know you’re careful about your identity and all and i understand.. have no fear. if i should get lucky on my search i’ll save you a nugget! 🙂

        • So sweet 😉 Go Cubs! You must have been a north sider. Where were you? I grew up in Arl. Hts…but now I’m up by the Wisc. border. Heading to bed now….have to take my Mom to the airport tomorrow…she was with me on the trip…now she’s heading back to Florida.

      • easr central illinois.. daaanville. im one of them down staters.. little bit country lol.. live in indy now. hagn

      • Stephanie, are you near Harvard, IL? It’s about seven miles from the Wisconsin border. So pretty there. I use to go to Lake Geneva all the time.

        • I’m closer to Lake Geneva…20 min south of there. Love it there too!! Very pretty to go sit by the lake. I’m really close to Chain O’ Lakes State park..that’s just down the road.

  34. Just curios, as more people are joining in the search have any of you ran into other people doing the same thing while you have been out and about searching for the treasure?

      • Dal, That story is just too…. funny!!!!! Everyone needs to read that story and hope that everyone will meet such an interesting person.

        • I never believe that Dal actually meets these people and have to quiz him after he posts to clarify that these people actually exist…they do lol….so neat and fun.

    • Dal,What a gas! I am sure there are a bunch of characters on the search.Thanx for sharing that one.

    • Wish-Just last week I was at my spot scampering around like a mad man and felt someone’s eyes on me.To my surprise there were 3 sets of eyes following my every move.Lucky them!I was up to my waste in frigid water feeling around for something that was just not there.I just nonchalantly acted as if that was just what one does out in the wilderness and continued on my merry way.As the hunt heats up I expect these will be common happenings!

      • spooky.. imagine had you pulled that chest out of the water?? ive already decided when i find the treasure i’ll act as if ive seen nothing.. look around a bit more.. maybe sit down for a spell. have a snack :). and look every where around me to make sure no ones watching.. if the coast is clear.. jump into action, dump half the box in 1 back pack and cram the rest in another then be on my merry way.. quietly of course

  35. Considering other research and after reading all of the great (The Nine Clues) posts, I have the following revised interpretations for searching in northern New Mexico. Your scrutiny and comments will be appreciated, especially where my interpretations are vague.

    He went to hide his chest beginning his journey in Santa Fe, NM, (Clue 1)
    he took the chest down in a canyon north of Santa Fe, (Clue 2)
    not far, he went by car. (Clue 3)
    He stopped driving below the home of Brown. (Clue 4)

    He felt confident that he, as an older man, could continue by foot carrying a heavy chest, (Clue 5)
    his new hiding place was close; (Clue 6)
    he hiked up a nearby rocky public creek, possibly dry creek,(Clue 7)
    he hid his chest among heavy stones on a possibly treed islet in the creek or around a possibly treed waterfall. (Clue 8)

    If you correctly solve his first 8 clues, you should find his blaze, the treasure chest, (Clue 9)

    I need to attribute much of my interpretations to Dal, Stephanie, oakleygirl, and Megs. Even though I don’t agree entirely with their beliefs, and they probably don’t agree with mine either, they have been a great help to me.

    • Dollarbill – forgot to thank you for link to where FF said there are 9 clues, thanks. I owe ya, so will try to repay here:

      not far, he went by car. (Clue 3) –
      I live about 125 miles from Temple, TX. Around here, that ain’t far. (Texas being about 750 miles top-to-bottom and about the same side to side-to-side). Not saying chest is not in NM, but I think probably a lot further North…..I agree he probably drove “part” of the trip.

      He felt confident that he, as an older man, could continue by foot carrying a heavy chest, (Clue 5)- – — If you read FF- Concy and Me, you will see he used a bicycle to transport camping equipment at an earlier age. He would not have to ride the bike, in fact could use it support……As there are many people that use mountain bikes these days, I really don’t think he would appear to be out of place.

      he hid his chest among heavy stones on a possibly treed islet in the creek or around a possibly treed waterfall. (Clue 8)—–
      I don’t think chest would be within the first banks of a waterway, especially in mountains. Lots of water comes down, depending on amount of snow and how fast it melts. The water moves LARGE rocks, it could easily tumble the chest downstream and/or cover it with rocks. Forrest would know this.
      us’ my humble opinion – – Fred

      • Fred W, thanks for your comments. I too was born and raised to teenage years in Texas. We can’t all agree easily. I know it takes certain logic/facts/common sense (a sudden spark) for my stubborn brain to change its tunnel vision.

        When younger, FF hiked for 91 miles. At 80, I don’t think he would be that willing, especially if he had children along. I believe that FF has referred to a location that is less than 90 miles from Santa Fe as not being far when driving to it, just a few hours away. Another dal call.

        A mountain bike just would not work in the creek that I visualize. It would be more of a hindrance.

        Being a retired civil engineer, I automatically consider stream hydraulics. Its all relative to rock size (d) versus maximum stream flow rate (cfs). I too am convinced that FF considered this possibility.

        Keep your comments coming.

    • Dollarbill: yep, probably the best we can hope for is to agree to disagree!

      I wouldn’t have responded this time but, based on your reply, there are a few things I want clear up.

      I have no doubt, given the pertinent data, that you could calculate how much snowfall it would require, and at what melt rate, to generate the flow rate necessary to produce the pressure required to move a 42 pound chest.

      I base my opinion, on the effects of snow melt, on experience and observation. I spent two weeks of every summer, from the time I was 12 until I was 40 years old, trout fishing on the same waterway in the mountains of New Mexico. I have seen firsthand the effects of spring runoff on that waterway over a 28 year span..

      I didn’t mean FF would take the bike “in” the creek! Only an idiot would try to take a bike into a waterway and try to ride or walk it, either upstream or downstream.

      I don’t have to visual the trail I am theorizing FF might have used a bike on. I am looking at it on Google Earth and Flash Earth. This is a maintained hiking trail that extends, from where you park (my “put in below home of Brown”), for two miles up the canyon. The head of the canyon is another one and half miles past trail end. The trail parallels the creek. The elevation where you park is 9200’. One mile up the canyon trail it is 9500’. This trail, as for as condition, looks to be same as many others I have personally seen in New Mexico and Colorado.

      I don’t know Forrest’s general health or physical condition when he hid the chest. Maybe I’m giving him credit for something he wouldn’t, or couldn’t, do at that time. [or maybe you’re not giving him enough credit 🙂 ]

      However, experience and observation again, I hunted in Colorado for a number of years with a guy from Texas. Judging from FF pictures, they were of similar build. The last time I hunted with him he was 79. He was slower, but still managed several miles a day. I didn’t get to hunt the next year and he passed away the next. (He got to go the way he wanted. He was unpacking from a fishing trip he and his wife had taken to the Gulf. He walked in and sat in recliner to rest and wife found him there. She said he had the most “peaceful” smile she had seen on him in several years!)…….Hope I go same way.- – – -The hunting trips were all do-it-yourself in National Forest. He drove his truck and trailer to Colorado and, with minimal assitance, he set up his camp, tent and all!

      I do not understand your remark “especially if he had children along”? Do you think he had children with him when he hid the chest? I never said, in any post, that I thought he had children with him when he hid chest…..I am confused!

      I am presently trying to disprove this location. However, in my mind, all the clues are lining up. And this particular waterway, while not world class, has good trout fishing. And, in trying to disprove, I believe I have found another reason FF might have been to this location previously. If I can substantiate this link, then I will have to go.

      And again, my location is not in New Mexico.
      Fred W

      • Fred W, I am glad you cleared up your thinking. Apparently we are talking about two completely different locations and trying to suggest to each other how to search the other’s location. It’s like you’re cooking stew and I’m cooking soup, and we don’t know it while discussing what’s the best recipe to follow. I think this type of misinterpretation occurs a lot on blogs. My interpretations of the clues only fit my interpretations of the chase. Your interpretations of the clues only fit your interpretations of the chase. So, I agree, let’s just agree to disagree.

  36. Last stanza, “Your effort will be worth the cold.” “If you are brave and in the wood” I’m not sure if he had already disclosed that the treasure is in the Rocky Mountains when he wrote this. If so, then this is one of those clues that’s really a “non-clue”. The average yearly temp in the Rocky Mts is 43 degrees (cold), and there are many woods in any mountains. I think he used the word brave to mean that you actually have to go out, be brave, and get into the mountains to search. I’m also guessing that he used the word wood instead of woods just so it would rhyme nicely with good. I keep seeing people trying to decide if this is an official clue or not. If he never said it was hidden in the mountains then maybe I see it as more significant. It would certainly be a clue to rule out some places like deserts, warm climates, etc…

    • That’s the first time I’ve heard a good reason that he used the word wood instead of woods. I think that’s brilliant and simple. I agree with your thoughts on brave also….He’s said that his main goal is to get people off their couches and into the wilderness…and so it makes sense that he’s making a point….be brave and get out of your comfort zone and find the beauty in what he’s seen all these years.

      • Stephanie
        Thanks! It’s funny that some people actually think sitting in front of a computer is the way to solve the poem. It is certainly great for research or if you don’t live in that area, but you can only find the treasure in person. When I get a more specific area pinned down, I hope to head out there one day to search! Good luck to you, I enjoy your perspectives!

        • I’ve had no choice, but to be in front of the computer when starting my searches. I envy those who know the areas they are searching. I didn’t even know what an arroyo was till a couple weeks ago lol…..

          • Yes, some of us have no choice but to do all our research on the computer. It has helped narrow down areas for me but, unfortunately, my favorite areas are not accessible this time of year so I’ll have to wait until May to search in person.

      • hmmmm.. arroyo… dry creek or seasonal flow? no paddle up your creek.. thanks stephanie you just put me back at square 1!

      • I hope it didn’t sound like I was bashing using the computer… I was just trying to make the point that “if you are brave and in the wood” you need to be physically out in the area. I agree that you have to narrow down your “spot” before spending the money on a trip. I think he said “so hear me all” in order to appeal to everyone, not just the wilderness crowd or locals. Technology is a wonderful thing and many of us wouldn’t be involved in this if it wasn’t available!!

    • Oakleygirl
      Could you sent me a private email you will find mine in helping to search in NM
      I want to bounce off something and see what you think if not then oh well thanks anyway

    • Oakleygirl
      Could you sent me a private email you will find my eamil in helping to search in NM. I need some research help and I want to bounce off something and see what you think and I rather not post it for all to see, if not then oh well thanks anyway

    • oakleygirl, you must spend your weekends with your family. Didn’t see you around anywhere. I think that all Lines, except the 4 in Stanza 2, and the 4 in Stanza 3 and the first line in Stanza 4, are all non treasure locating clues. Though the the rest of the Lines are informative for those willing to get out and search. At least, this is what I am hoping right now. Did you read Meg’s interpretation of Line 2 in Stanza 3. Makes perfect sense when you then read FF’s last sentence next.

  37. Try this on.

    Stanza 1: Enticement to search for the chest.
    Stanza 2: Clues to location.
    Stanza 3: Clues to location.
    Stanza 4: What to do if you find the chest.
    Stanza 5: Why he hid the chest.
    Stanza 6: You must get out and search to find the chest.

    • dollarbill
      Glad to know I am missed on here! I do have more free time weekdays while hubby is working and kids are in school.
      I like the way you broke down the stanzas like that. I will have to find Meg’s post that you mentioned. However, I don’t think “from there it’s no place for the meek” is one of the nine clues. To me it sounds like FF opinion rather than a clue. I would use “look down…” as a clue instead. Not as vague and instructional.
      I’m beginning to see that more people agree that some of the stanzas are more for explanation than clues. (time to find Meg’s post)

      • I know how time consuming a family can be when they are all around. Why I feel the meek is a clue is because FF has repeated it a few times by saying an older person can get to his hiding place. But he is warning that you need to be in good condition, especially if you are an older man. i.e., he is saying to me that the creek you are seeking is one that is not a slam dunk for a hiker, but even a healthy older person could conquer it. So I visualize a somewhat steep creek, laden with rocks and boulders, and having running water at least certain times of the year. Take it from an older man. Good to have you back.

      • Ok, makes sense. But he also said children could find it,too. Not sure if they are as frail as elderly, but wouldn’t be as skilled. (do you think children are meek?)
        Compromise: I think the “look down…” can be combined with “the blaze” line clue. I think it’s important to know what to do once you find the blaze. Is it “in” something, “next to”, “look up”, etc… he is specifically telling what to do when you see the blaze. I’ve seen these two lines combined as a clue before. Every time I hear someone else’s logic it gets me re-thinking!!!

      • I may be wrong, but I think that FF said it was a safe place to take children. i.e., children accompanied by an adult. Another dal call. Some children are not meek at all, while some others are very meek. A toddler would definitely be meek. A teenager not so likely to be meek.

        oakley, then the entire fourth Stanza should be considered one clue. But it seems to me that it is only the first Line that hints of location information (i.e. you should be at the chest at this point), but the first line is also part of the what to do Stanza. I can see the first line as being a link too between the search and the what to do.

        The 9th clue might be in the last Stanza, but it would need to be more informative to me than letting me know that I have arrived at the hiding place site and that I should search thoroughly around/along the site.

        Of course, your thoughts are important to me, and I will definitely ponder on any more 9th clue thoughts that you might be willing to toss out in the open, even if it means rehashing the previous.

        • I think that he wants children there sort of makes me think that he’s trying to save YNP funding after hearing about all the cuts especially that I’m sure he’s been aware of for longer than I….and wants to see families back out where he enjoyed so much of his childhood and has such wonderful memories that obviously had a part in molding him into who he became.

      • oakleygirl, let me try to sell it to you this way.

        The 9th clue locating the treasure chest needs to end the search for the chest and be at the chest. The first Line in Stanza 4 seems to do that for me, thus it is a clue.

        Now, consider the first line in Stanza 4 as also being the first part of what to do after finding the chest. So we read the first line again, not as the end of the search, but as the beginning of what to do.

        Now, if FF truly pulls the last sentence in the poem into what to do after finding the chest, we go ahead and read the last sentence as being part of what to do after finding the chest. Then when we get to the last Stanza, we read the last sentence (again) as being a reason why we must get out and search.

        Does this work, or does it confuse you as much as it does me?

        You could throw the same argument right back at me by saying the second Line in Stanza 4 should also be used twice. I don’t know where we would go if you did that. LOL

      • dollarbill
        I agree that there are clues as to what to do “begin it, take it…”, and clues that are “hints” about the area. “heavy loads, water high…” I guess based on those thoughts, the “look down” would be directions, and “not for the meek” would be descriptive. That would also make the line about “tarry scant, take the chest…” as lines that could count as directional as well. But, I’ve already discounted the first and last stanzas as clues.
        I think you are right that the actual clues are the ones (the steps) to take in finding it, and ending when you find the blaze and look down.
        Maybe we are trying to be too specific… if the clues are followed in order, then I guess that’s all that matters. However, you would think FF wouldn’t have to tell you to take the chest and go in peace. What else would we do once we found the treasure, just take a picture and leave?
        It is all so confusing!! When I read what/why others think the clues are, no one has it completely nailed down in a way that I agree with, but they still make sense!
        We seem to agree on the basics of the poem. Remember that he is still supposed to provide more clues, which may help with the poem and throw us all off again! 🙂

    • Interesting “north” interpretation. I think that I can safely say that all canyons are older than Santa Fe. Hence, opening up the search area. I like it.

  38. If anyone wants to post the believable name of their canyon and/or their believable home of Brown, I will certainly consider them and post my thoughts. I know that you just can’t wait to read my thoughts. LOL

    • mr.bill what do you think of “home of the Brown” being the state of colorado?? and what if the canyon is nameless?

      • casey: My current interest only lies in New Mexico. However, in my early Google Earthing, I did kinda look at Brown Canyon in southwest Colorado and a little along the Arkansas River. Once I get fed up with Google Earthing canyons with roads in New Mexico, I will probably just give up and direct my remaining energy on a location that I have already selected.

        If a canyon does not have a name, I would need the lat and long to locate it on Google Earth or on USGS topo maps.

      • put in below the home of Brown(colorado).. i’m in new mexico too :).. i know its a stretch but no more so than rivers creeks homes bears beavers buffalo bats etc..lol

      • Oh,I see better what you are saying casey, Colorado being the home of Brown, stop driving just below the Colorado/New Mexico border. It also implies to me that access to and some of the canyon to go down is located in Colorado. Interesting. Possibly late tonight or tomorrow, I will do a quick Google Earthing along the border for a canyon. Now, why do you associate Colorado with Brown? Associating Cleveland with Brown is easy for me, but Colorado?

      • I made my last post before I saw your response. I will also look to see where Brown Colorado is.

      • no particular reason stephanie, i was just seeing what dollarbill thought of it?? lol he had asked.. but really, colorado is home of many things brown.. ie bears beavers trout to name a few.. of course some have mentioned some famous browns in co.. ??? now this may sound pretty silly, but i remember flying over colorado years ago. and looking down from 30000 ft and noticed that it just looked brown . lol

        • ahh ok. I thought it was something I hadn’t heard of. Colorado was my very first spot when I realized it had the Molly Brown House Museum. I totally thought that was part of the poem. I mean I can’t ruled it out…can’t rule anything out for sure except that hollow stump I stuck my hand in last week.

      • careful bill.. i have a spot just below the border, so please dont get carried away 🙂 i didnt expect you to catch me!

        • A good idea for searchers….take along a camera and when you are thinking of putting your hand or body somewhere in the unknown….try to take a picture first….if you see two scary shiny spots when you review the image….don’t go in there…… ….it’s me holding the treasure…hehe.

      • FYI there is a Cleveland NM. I used to live in OH and the home of Brown(s) is Cleveland. However, here in New England, home of Brown is Providence RI. Not that I believe in a strong connection, just more info to the mix!

      • casey, I am next door in Arizona. Just a hop, skip, and long drive away. Out of the not far range.

      • arizona sounds great bill. didnt mean to pry or be too nosey, just thought if you were local we could maybe meet up next week. share some ideas, confidentially. after my trip, i may divulge my findings or lack thereof if anyone is interested.. talk to you later..

    • bill, forget about my area.. its very very dangerous, couldnt possibly be safe enough for children..

  39. Here are what i believe are the nine clues.

    1. Begin it where warm waters halt
    2. And take it in the canyon down,
    3. Not far, but too far to walk.
    4. Put in below the home of Brown.

    5. From there it’s no place for the meek,
    5. The end is ever drawing nigh;
    7. There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
    8. Just heavy loads and water high.

    9. If you’ve been wise and found the blaze

    I am pretty simple in my approach here. I think the other words in the poem are like the words in his book. They can help you think and understand the clues. However, they will not take you to the treasure but the nine clue will take you there.


  40. I read on “The Poem” thread that Forrest stated ” hunters have walked with in 500ft of the treasure” Can anyone verify this statement? I was under the impression that hikers have come with in that distance but not specifically hunters. If it was specifically hunters, it would eliminate quite a few search areas.


    • I have wondered this same thing…..but I do think he’s said searchers..just can’t find it. One thing I remember him saying was that he didn’t measure it…so don’t take the 500 feet as exact. That’s hearsay though…I want to be so careful to say that each time…because he always says not to pay attention to anything besides the poem and the book. So I’ll probably sound like a broken recorded after I say that a few times.

      • Thanks Steph. I wasn’t interpreting the 500ft as precise, but was more focused on the hunters. A lot of national parks have hunting restrictions, but allow hunting just outside the boarders. Also a lot of people seem to be worried about removal of objects from national parks, based on Forrest’s history with law enforcement. I would worry more about removing an object from someones private property, then a state park or national forrest. What do you think?

        • Ya know I think exactly the same thing…I was really surprised that people thought that it would be worse to take from government land as apposed to private land where someone could shoot you. I’ve seen some pretty scary signs on people property while out West LOL…I sort of really think what’s going on is that people might just be trying to detour people from looking in the state or federal parks by giving a reason you can’t. I think regardless of where it is…someone can claim it if you show it. So it’s sort of a waste to discuss who’s going to take it from you more.

  41. The wife thinks i went off the deep end and told me never to discuss my opinion i’m about to share….i listen about 3/4 of the time. I started comparing the function of a dam in conjunction with 2 outlets or spillways that eventually turn into rivers and streams that filter similar to what the kidneys do. May have nothing to do with what’s going on but it definitely entertained my crazy self.

  42. Stephanie…. I started out doing my looking on the computer as most of us are. The only thing ive learned is some really good history on places n towns. As far as the treasure goes, I can say the internet has helped VERY little. I have but one place to look and its taken me a long time to understand why all we need is the book and a map.

    • I end up falling in love with a spot…then going there and it’s not there…then I can make up a million different spots while I’m in that one location. I switch up heavy loads being boulders, to being electric wires.

      • Stephanie
        Speaking of power lines while me and my two sons where in the wilderness bushwacking to Lost Creek falls with our GAIN permits, I stopped and told them that this is sure a strange spot to find 3 computer geeks cause there are not any power outlets for miles When we where coming back out we spotted the power line running along the canyon road and then we all started running toward it.
        It was funny because we all saw it at the same time then we all ran at once.
        We where really glad to get out of there alive
        Also on the no trail where we passed the dead zone of elk bones, My oldest son who is sort of a germ phobic cause he always is sanitizing his hands, he come up behind me with a dirty elk skull clutched in his hand and said hey can we keep this, It floored me cause even I would not have picked up that nasty skull.

        • That sounds like such a neat trip. I know you said it was freaky…but I love the other side of trips like that. I think power lines could be the heavy loads and maybe a type of rock is the Brown…just figure Forrest has to know about rocks from his arrowheads like I said before. Those would be things that people probably wouldn’t realize are there during their searches and would go right by them.

      • My opinion again, and I’m sure I’ll get shot down for raining on others parades, but I don’t believe Forrest set up this whole hunt to get us out hiking the beautiful American wilderness, and then purposefully set up his poem/map to lead us past manmade technology that despoils the landscape he reveres. I am convinced that his pathway to the treasure will be all bucolic, breathtaking wilderness beauty. If your interpretation of “warm water halts” is an ugly dam, (“get your cameras ready, off to your left is a lovely view of a concrete wall”). or “canyon down” means to careen down a steep road in a 4-wheel drive Jeep, or that his “heavy loads” are actually electric wires, then I don’t believe you have grasped Forrest’s purpose. (BTW, Stephanie, I am not denegrating your idea, I have a lot of respect for your open, accepting attitude in this forum, I just believe a real outdoor recreationalist like Forrest would not use any of those as clues).

        • No problem. Since I don’t know where it is….I’m open to everything. I just like to give ideas. I went out to a place in Cimarron where there was a beautiful area last summer…found an island and this area was well hidden and just amazing back there with a gorgeous rock wall and the Cimarron flowing all around the island…and there was this electric wire just above and it seemed to fit great for heavy loads. So what if that’s his secret place….maybe he’s had to use things like that to get his poem to work. Still is a wonderful place…but an electric line might just be something someone wouldn’t think of….but maybe not…

          • Sciott C,
            If the clues are all natural places then should we throw out all our historical references to places that are man made. The chest was man made. Power lines probable are not pilot knobs but where do you draw the line, maybe something that stands the test of time and then a dam does not qualify?

      • Tim,

        I am not telling you how to interpret the clues or Forrest’s intentions, but I am just sharing my reasoned assessment of the poem, in conjunction with FF’s stated purpose of getting folks out to enjoy the beauty of nature. We all have to decide ways to eliminate locations, as we are looking for a one square foot box in a 3000 mile long mountain range. That’s like searching for a grain of sugar on a football field. So to eliminate areas, I try to imagine what Forrest would steer us away from on a trip through nature. I can’t imagine him staring up at the wall of a dam and thinking “this would be a good starting point”, and if “in the canyon down” is too far to walk, then I would imagine him providing a mode of transportation that isn’t motorized…doesn’t seem to fit his style to suggest we drive down a canyon. I do believe there is a “historical man-made reference to “home of Brown”, but I don’t believe the structure of a building is still there. Maybe a foundation in the woods or nothing at all, but it will still be a beautiful setting memorialized for all of history in some way (plaque, historical marker, blaze?) so that it will always be known as the “home of Brown”. I am quite aware that the chest is man made, as was the rental car he took when he placed it, and the flashlight he used to put it in that creek rock outcropping (or so I hope), but I don’t see that as germane. The chest is not part of the beautiful walk. Yes, I have found such a spot and went there 3 weeks ago, unfortunately 5 foot drifts of snow swallowed me up, and strangely a helicopter passed overhead twice…does Forrest own one of those?

        • Scott C.
          I liked what you said and then was wondering if you thought all the clues were to be that way.
          I overly stated it to see your thinking process
          How about this thinking, the beginning could be sevaral locations to start from and then depending on how you go it leads to one ending. So if the beginning was lost in the future there is a back door of sorts to have to lead to the chest.
          So when deciphering a clue I try to look for two things that match, not locations to back up the spot.
          So a dam is one and where a confluence is another but they are both 92 miles form the chest.
          Or two location and then 2 different distances to get to the chest.
          I do not believe it is a confluence unless maybe it is brown or something to back it up.
          I may be over thinking this but a posssibility and I do believe that the start is easy but as you get towards the end it gets harder.
          Yesterday I just learned what pilot knobs were.
          What you said was good reasoning but you would almost have to know Forrest personally to know that I think.

      • Tim,

        I believe Forrest’s list of clues start out general and then get more specific like many hunt organizers have done with their sequential list of clues. I do not think a poem of so few words has an embedded code, anagramistic puzzling, lat/long coordinates, or an ancient recipe for dragon stew. I think the clues are simple, straightforward, and not overly elegant, but you must pick up on some subtleties:

        Clue 1: Warm Pacific waters halt at the Continental Divide, condense and fall out of the sky as rain or snow. This is a very general clue, but says the trail starts at some peak that has snow/glacial activity…probably year round so the poem works. That is the only natural way water would halt, as water from warm springs will find the path of least resistance and keep flowing. Unless you call a man made dam a halt, and that is why I eliminated those. I also am not in the “confluence” camp, as the water doesn’t actually halt, or even slow down, it just changes temperature.

        Clue 2: “in the canyon down” All slopes that have snow have a direction that the snow can melt and run off, eventually carving out a canyon…not real helpful either, except to say that you need to be in the bottom of that canyon to move on to the next clue. How to get here? Can’t walk, Forrest wouldn’t have me jump on a quad runner, so that leaves 2 or 3 modes of transport in my estimation…watercraft ski/sled, or possibly bike. All modes would continue the human-powered adventure. At this point Forrest has described only about 10,000 starting locations.

        Clue 3: “Put in below the home of Brown” C’mon people, quit massaging this clue into contortions. “Put in” is a nautical term that means “exit from a waterway” at a specific point (eg pier, beach, cove, etc.) it does not mean put a craft IN the water, neither would Forrest be putting the treasure in a hiding spot at this point in the poem. When you arrive at the bottom of the canyon (by your mode of conveyence on IT…IT being water or frozen water) you will be at a waterway…from melting warm waters, every canyon had or has one. I don’t think you have to be riding on IT at that point, you may be walking along the waterway on a trail named after the waterway. Anyway, you will “put in” or find a stopping point along that waterway “below the home of Brown”, if you are walking along the waterway at this time, “put in” is a bit of poetic license. This is the first very specific clue, and as someone has posted previously, you would be wise to start with this clue and reverse engineer. Forrest did not capitalize Brown to be confusing, this is the name of a real or fictional person, and their home was back up the canyon from here, in a slightly different direction. He didn’t need to make it that hard, this is hard enough already and he knows it…If he wanted to make it harder he could have said “home of Green” and laughed as we posted numerous opinions on how maybe it could mean try all colors…until we arrived at Brown.

        I will stop there…I feel I’ve said too much already. Good luck to you Tim, Stephanie, Dal and all searchers. FYI if I find that damned box, like others on this blog, I would like to start a new hunt. Not Forrest’s spot, as many will want to know where that was. I would like to take several of the treasure pieces and scatter them throughout the country much like A Treasure’s Trove so that searchers in every corner of America are closer to one, and may get out and experience the wind in their face closer to home. Some on here have called that altruistic…maybe, but if that is the case, then Forrest would be one of the most altruistic Americans of all time.

    • desperado88-
      Forrest once said we didn’t even need a map…just the poem. I don’t think I concur…a map, the poem, the book, a sandwich, a flashlight and an ice axe are on my basic needs list.

  43. I know of a clue in the first stanza, that no-one has found as a clue. Methinks, people just seem to overlook. The clue is a hard fact clue, not vague.

      • We sometimes forget about the rest of the poem, and start @ “Where warm waters halt”. He does do this in interviews, starting off with that line. But is that another way for us to miss other clues. FF wrote other parts of the poem, even if it is fluff. I have found links (from this fluff) to some interesting reading that points back to the poem. Found this in another place. Found these by accident, but I don’t think they’re in the poem by accident.

        • “Where warm waters halt” is an essential beginning to the other 8 clues. Why? Are we to go left or right at this beginning? This can make a big difference. Think about it…

          • Peter Kaufman
            Drawing ever nigh can mean left concerning horses or machinery so if you have of those around go left and it probably might be more correct but stop at some point cause then you will be going around in a circles.

        • How about the title to the poem is it called The Poem or is it called Where the Treasure Lies
          I heard it called both but is it one or the other or both?

    • Thanks again John Paul. I had never hear him say that, only that if followed precisely. But for him to say flat out, “consecutive order”, is a new treasure. Pun intended. 🙂

  44. Could it possible that he used the cliche of many treasure hides, “X” marks the spot. His clues may lead to four exact spots on a map so that when a lines are drawn you have the “X” which can also be the blaze he speaks of.

    • I have often wondered that, that each clue is a point and that if connected they form an x or an arrow or something. That is going to be more difficult if they are in consecutive order.

  45. It is easy to think the “blaze” is the final trail marker when you look down and see the chest.
    Why not the marker at the beginning of the trail? Isn’t the location of the beginning key to getting the rest of the clues to work? We have old trees in TX. bent down to point early natives to water. Why would you need that if you were already at the water?

    I see it this way; Warm waters halt: Stop. Not blend with other cooler water. Halt is VERY specific.
    A dam will have colder water coming out the bottom while warmer waters are held fast above.
    This is also the water high and heavy loads above reference. A redundancy. Non clue #10.
    Thermal water cools gradually when mixed w/cooler water. Hot springs wont fit here. Nobody says “warm springs”!

    “Put in” can only refer to a boat and navigable water. With that established, the “meek” reference is rapids.
    Exit the river where a dry creek mouth is present and follow it up into a wooded area about 500 feet to explore for an anomaly thereabouts discovered by young FF on a fishing/artifact hunt. Not a cave behind a waterfall. It’s a dry creek. If he would like to be interned there, it must be a very romantic/intriguing/solitary locale. Indian burial site perhaps?
    You may need to go up in order to look down. It’s not likely to be a cliff at creek level. Water always seeks the lowest point. Keep an open eye and mind but squint if need be. Cave entry’s can be very small indeed. Don’t forget your flashlight!
    Now you have to find the canyon and the home of Brown for the key to the riddle. It is merely a process of elimination.
    Piece of cake?

  46. Heavy loads and water high = a dam! There are dozens and dozens of dams in the Rockies, most made from thousands of large rocks, so the heavy load could refer to the weight of the dam or the heavy load of the water behind it. Either way, the water high is the high water behind the dam. Forrest once said he made provisions for the treasure to be hidden for 10,000 years. There is a quote regarding the Hoover dam after it was constructed where they said it would last 10,000 years. Most dams are readily accessible for an 80 year old but can also be remote. He could have easily hid it under the rocks in the dam face (so nobody could stumble on in) and it would be safe from rain, snow, fire. All he had to do was chisel FF in one of the rocks on top as the blaze and that would last forever as well. That rock would blend in with the thousands around it. He knows about ancient rock petroglyphs and there are some great fishing spots in and downstream of dams. I looked at every dam in the Rockies and one in particular fits each clue perfectly and sequentially, including the home of Brown, a canyon downstream and a warm water source below that…just waiting for the snow to melt.

  47. Mr. Fenn likes to play with words including misspelling words or using words not found in the dictionary. Suppose the “B” in Brown was deliberately capitalized to throw off the reader. The line “…the home of brown” could be interpreted as the home’s method of construction as in “the home of adobe (brown mud)” Native American homes made of abode or mud bricks endure for centuries and if they are cliff dwellings then “Put in below…” is logical.

    • I think there’s a fine line between cunning and obsessed…and I’m probably not even close to that line…you can guess which side I’m really on though I’m sure…. ….so what will tomorrow’s new clue be????

      • not sure, but looking forward to any sort of clue.. and stephanie i meant no ill will in my remark.. it was meant as a compliment. gl

        • I know Casey…thanks for saying that. I totally know how hard it is sometimes to make sure that emails and posts are meant in a positive way rather than a negative. I get in trouble because of that all the time. I know your very sweet…so I always take what you say in a good way *smile*…Bonnie, now on the other hand *giggle*

      • Steph and all
        The next clue from f on Wed. will be:
        Don’t forget to drink your ovaltine just like what Ralphie found.

  48. Dang! If NBC hires a whole bunch of pro-type cryptographers together and solve this, I’ll be really bummed! 🙁

    • Ugh that post on the main page made my heart sink! I really don’t want anyone to find it, the chase is too thrilling! Really though, I’ll be bummed if NBC people find it too!

  49. Forrest just sent me this little gem-
    The NBC producer is out this very minute with a senior correspondent looking for the treasure with someone about which I am not familiar and in a spot about which they will not speak. Are they going to surprise me at 0500 in the morning on the Today show by giving me the bracelet as a token of their appreciation?

    Only the Phantom knows. f

      • maybe it’s just a ploy by nbc.. i hope so anyway, i’d be bummed to cancel my trip….

          • I guess we’ll just have to wait until Wed to see if they solved it but if they do with all the resources they have, it will totally have ruined the point of Forrest hiding the treasure in the first place. He wanted to get families out for an adventure, not provide a huge corporation with a means to stuff their coffers.

      • everybody breath and relax.. forrest is teasing us perhaps?? the crew is just out and about following a treasure hunter.. i hope 🙂

    • I’m not worried. These are TV people from NYC. They’re in New Mexico because they have a meeting with Forrest tomorrow at 3am, Santa Fe time, to prepare for the live Today Show feed. Additionally, I suspect they just want their reporter to look cool by having footage of her out in the boonies looking for the treasure…
      If it was the National Geographic folks out looking I’d be more concerned…ha!

      • I hope you’re right Dal. I would be very disappointing to me but I can’t even imagine how disappointing it would be to you and Stephanie and all the people who have been working on the treasure hunt for so long. It just wouldn’t seem fair some how.

        • The good news is that Steph is not sending emails from her phone. That means she is at home in Chicago. They’ll never find it without her. 🙂

      • LOL Steph! That was totally awesome!! Ahhhh….
        Dal good point! WHEW! I feel a bit better! Back to searching!

      • i ‘m with you dal, unless they are with pro’s or jules, i’m not worried now.. and thanks for all you provide…

        • I’m central time…so I won’t be able to see the first broadcast, but I’ll have my Mom put the phone up to the tv and listen live…hopefully I’ll hear enough that way…but it’s not that clear. Hoping an East Coaster will tell us all.

          • Im sure its just a rating stunt anyway, all of us treasure hunters will be tuned in, recording, googling and so forth! Wonder if there will be any good commercials just for us! If they were smart they’d sign some out door equipment stores as clients for in the morning!

    • Why is it a spot they will not speak about to Fenn? That just seems weird . . . They tell Fenn they are going out with a so and so that he does not know. When he inquires where, they won’t even tell the man himself? Weird, unsophisticated, disrespectful to Mr. Fenn to say the least . . . But hey, it a big shot NBC producer from NYC. Just seems weird though and doesn’t make sense.

      I can understand why Mr. Fenn is wondering . . .

      • That does seem weird JP. I would think if someone found the chest, the first person they would want to contact would be Forrest and not a TV station.

        NBC hasn’t shown respect to more than a few people lately. 😀

      • I would….I’ll totally super glue that channel on my remote control in the UP position…so it can never be clicked on again.

      • i agree jen.. assuming they had people on the hunt.. it was meant to get us regular folks back into nature for fun and hopes of finding riches..

      • A TV station wanted me to dig up a buried meteorite live on the air years ago. Kept thinking of Geraldo and Al Capone’s vault………

        How often does history repeat itself?

        These producers it sounds hired themselves a guide to have him/her point out the deer and take a shot if they miss………..to much sophistication in play.

        Actually think the easy part is finding the treasure, the hardest part is what comes after………

        • When the vault was finally opened, the only things found inside were dirt and several empty bottles including one Rivera claimed was for moonshine bathtub gin. Despite the ending, the special became the most-watched syndicated television special with an estimated audience of 30 million.

          “Seems like we struck out,” Rivera was quoted as saying after the show……………”

          Source Wikipedia

  50. ok say “home of Brown” ten times, what do you get? those that say ‘homosapien’ are right, now look up the color sapian and what do you get?

  51. Even if the NBC crew does get close…doesn’t mean they will find it. It’s not that easy, trust me. Even when you are right, it is very easy to be wrong LOL.

    • The NBC crew doing a search for the treasure is most likely just a dog and pony show for the cameras.
      But the thing about solving a puzzle like this is that a noob to the search comes in with a major advantage, a fresh point of view.
      Someone who has spent thousands of hours searching has little advantage over someone new.
      They might have been 20 feet from the chest on the first spot they searched years ago and have no way of knowing it. At least till someone else finds it there.
      Apparently more then one searcher has been to the right area and been “meek” after correctly solving the first clues.

      • I think someone in NM needs to go out and spy for us…I bet they’re in Cimarron…anyone close by there? I think she was in Jemez last report. Maybe now they’re in Taos.

  52. I believe the whole point of creating these specific threads was consolidate info and cut down on the useless chatter. Obviously people cannot follow instructions as this has rapidly filled with meaningless banter. The instructions at the beginning of the blog specifically state “Please do not use this area for any other discussion”. Not being able to follow these simple instructions, it’s no surprise you people can’t follow Forrest’s instructions and find the treasure.

    • Why don’t you start your own blog? I’m sure you’ll get a lot of people wanting to come to it with that wonderful sense of charm. This is Dals blog…so we go by his rules. If you have problems with it…I’d suggest privately messaging him through his email which he has on the front page.

    • Red: Well well well aren’t you a peach! 🙂 If you don’t like that chatter you can always NOT read this blog…. I get my best ideas from all this chatter I read, I don’t participate a lot because I just don’t have time but I LOVE reading all the chatter. You should totally start a blog where its not allowed! Just think in this chase we have all met new people, made new friends and learned a ton about others lives, culture, and have gained a better understanding of each other. What an amazing treasure we have already found!! Look closer and you’ll find that Dal and Steph and most of these people are awesome gems! Appreciate it! And Kuddos to Dal for such an amazing blog! Ok stepping off my soap box now. Back to seclusion and reading! The kids are in bed. Must. Get. Caught. Up.

    • I’m with you Red, I was away for awhile and had 100 new posts to read through. I don’t need to know how much laundry gets folded between posts. I guess we have to put up with it if we want other’s opinions on things, along with the bashing we’ll receive for asking people to follow the instruction that you pointed out.

      It is easy to forget and get up in a conversation sometimes though. It happens.

      it may be mute if the rumor of the chest being found is true.

      just to stay on point… I’m starting to think that “the end is ever drawing nigh” is a non clue because it refers to an impossible state, an end that never comes. What do you think?


  53. I know this is an odd question but does anyone have any idea as to the religious preference of Mr. Fenn? Thanks!

  54. Read it again…it could be he’s talking hypothetical and not fact…I’m not so sure he’s saying that happened. Read it as if he’s saying that’s what might have happened rather than it did happen.

    • I didn’t say it was fact. I merely mention why NBC would be doing this. My point is that NBC wouldn’t hire a team to solve it. If they are out there, it’s doing a story. Maybe it’s a cover on the chasers like us or maybe it’s someone who claims to have found it. If I had found it, maybe I would call the Today show as well.

  55. I always thought the gold frogs in the chest were old artifacts FF had acquired in his many escapades.
    I have been learning to use Windows 8 in the past two weeks and found the cool magnifying glass (Win. key+ plus key). I looked at the map picture in FF’s book with it, X 300, and found there is a modern font “W” on the eye of the frog in that photo. Is this the “treasure new” in the poem? Is it from FF’s foundry like the bells? Most importantly; is it a clue? Wyoming perhaps?
    Check it out. It is upside down so it looks like an “M”. Does that mean the map is upside down?
    A lot of question marks in this post!

    • I believe other windows versions have the magnify too if they want to check out what your talking about. Just go to the start search box in the lower left corner and type in magnify and that program should pop up.

  56. This is just my take, but if i can help why not. people are talking about it being underwater… no.

    As I have gone alone in there
    And with my treasures bold,
    I can keep my secret where,
    And hint of riches new and old.

    Begin it where warm waters halt – it means a canyon, which is made by water eroding. but no more.
    And take it in the canyon down, – it’s a canyon.
    Not far, but too far to walk. – hinting you need a car.
    Put in below the home of Brown. – it’s buried the Brown Canyon in New Mexico.

    (it’s telling you to take the 456 to brown canyon in new mexico.)

    From there it’s no place for the meek, – hiking trail.
    The end is ever drawing nigh; – gettin close!
    There’ll be no paddle up your creek, – you have to go up the side of the canyon.
    Just heavy loads and water high. – big boulders, there should be a body of water at the top of the canyon wall you’re climbing.

    If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, – it’s an old campfire circle, probably indicated by a circle of rocks on a bare patch of dirt.
    Look quickly down, your quest to cease, – it’s buried under the campfire.
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze, – be happy for the gold, but enjoy the nature.
    Just take the chest and go in peace. – gtfo

    So why is it that I must go
    And leave my trove for all to seek?
    The answer I already know,
    I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.

    So hear me all and listen good,
    Your effort will be worth the cold. – better hinting the campfire theory.
    If you are brave and in the wood
    I give you title to the gold.

    So that’s what I see when i read it.

  57. the story was mainly covering the woman who got lost in bandelier.. and another clue!

  58. New clue from Today in case you missed it.
    “No need to dig up the old outhouses, the treasure is not associated with any structure,” Forrest Fenn announced on TODAY.
    Time to start re-thinking!

    • No need to re-think mine, oakleygirl. I posted 3/21 that I did not believe it was associated with any structure. (sorry, just had to pat this “old Texan” on the back) 🙂

      • Fred
        You are way ahead of me. There are so many posts, it is hard for me to keep up these days! Good for you, and good luck!!!

        • Outhouse Rock in Joshua Tree National Park! Lol think outside of the box so to speak!

      • if we’re all sort of tryiing to help one another, then i too say, it is not associated with any structure! still could be a famous “Brown”, but more likely trout or bears beavers bison bats or ……

        • Famous Brown indeed!! Last clue I am giving! Lol A gigantic disaster survives a famous Brown! Now from this anybody finds the treasure I claim at least 10%!! Lmao

    • I think its all in how you look at it, I think home of brown COULD still be a structure. Its not what he says, it what he doesn’t say and it is also how one understands the poem. (I personally don’t and never did think it was a structure but just throwin my thoughts out there)

      • Yeah you could read that as THE TREASURE isn’t…he doesn’t say the clues don’t…so only the last place where it is…isn’t associated for sure….maybe that will be clarified…because the outhouse part makes me think he was talking about the place it would actually be.

      • It would totally depend on if you think the treasure is by the home of Brown or not I suppose! There must be several people digging around outhouses haha!!

      • i keep hearing a lot about the home of brown i think home is where its at brown is a color and i think it stands for colorado

    • This is a VERY important distinction…whether no structures meant the final location or the entire hunt including the “home of Brown”…

      • By FF using outhouse and structure in the same sentence, I suggest that 2a is the correct meaning for structure.

      • I think he is just referring to the actual spot where the treasure is. He didn’t say they clues are not associated with any structure, just the treasure. And it goes along with the first part about “not digging up any outhouses”, which I am guessing is where people think the treasure is. You wouldn’t need to dig anything up by following the clues anyway. I think he is being a bit general because if he said none of the clues have to do with a structure, then we would immediately eliminate dams, bridges, “homes”, etc… He’s not going to give us that much help at this point. Just my opinion.

        • Besides saying the treasure was not in a “structure”, I thought it was a tongue-in-cheek kind of sly reference to “the home of Brown”. 🙂

      • Oakleygirl:

        “He’s not going to give us that much help at this point”? Oh my gosh, that would be no help at all…in fact it would eliminate any specificity to any of the clues including “the blaze” that is probably also man made. If that is the case he could have written a one-line poem: “If yer feelin’ cocky, look in the Rockies”

        • Oh my gosh scott….now everyone in the very quiet doctors office is looking at me funny.

          Sent from my Samsung Galaxy™ S II 4GTHRILL OF THE CHASE wrote:

        • Now THAT was funny! I’m glad I wasn’t drinking my coffee when I read that as you actually did make me LOL! 😀

        • lmao, Scott. I have to laugh to keep from crying, but sometimes it seems the poem is a vague as your little poem. Good one.

          • I have done quite an in depth study of this poem and its nine clues. As a resident of Santa Fe, I do believe I am quite knowledgeable of its environs. I have narrowed my search down to just one area that’s in fact northerly of SF and in the mountains. Also the clues I’ve uncovered seems to fit like a glove. All I can say is that FF is telling it like it is when he said that once you’ve figured out his clues it will take you straight to the treasure. I am now looking for a partner at this point who can both assist in this location that I speak of and provide us with just two items 1) A metal detector and 2) full body (waterproof) fishing attire. If interested we can negotiate an agreeable percentage of the find. But keep in mind I’ve put a considerable amount of thought, time and effort into this. My name is Peter and I can be contacted through my email – peeka50@yahoo.com And depending on our fit as a team and a written agreement (contract), I will then disclose what I’ve uncovered, which I’m sure you’ll find quite intriqueing to say the least. Lastly, this is no practical joke and my intentions are honest and quite straightforward and real.

      • Scott
        If he eliminated dams, that would be a huge clue to many, and would rule that out as a starting point. Just throwing out my thoughts, no need to bash my opinion.

      • Thanks Scott!
        Your version would certainly save us all the disagreements on the clues! Maybe it would be easier to just head out blindly and search!

      • I now believe I have been searching “blindly”…

        However, as I rambled on in a voluminous 10 page thesis/post northward of these posts, I had personally eliminated dams as a way-point already, as I don’t think Forrest would chart out a beautiful walk in the park, and then take us by a cement behemoth. I believe dam’s and structures are fair game clue-wise, but that the treasure is not “together with” a structure (secreted inside). Isn’t that another definition of “associated”? I think Forrest is imagining searchers ripping the sides off every John Doe Brown’s barn, and leveling every privy from Taos to Toronto.

  59. Ha ha ha Below the house of Brown ……is not an outhouse! Snickers giggle giggle! FF said so on the Today. Show!

  60. There goes my Perfect solution. No structures!

    I want those cameras turned back on, I want him to retract that clue . It’s not fair.

  61. What’s going on with the chronology in these posts? I have to scroll up thru the last few days to get to the 27th. Dal?

    • I don’t know but I lean toward there being something wrong with the poster rather than the blog…

      • Sorry dal, I hadn’t seen your post before I posted my posting problem question.

      • I was confused about this too until i figured out that there are several threads within each blog, and when you reply it is posted beneath the thread in chronological order for that particular thread but not chronologically in relation to the entire blog site. Does that make any sense? Oh well, I tried. 🙂

  62. Caught Mr. Fenn on the Today Show this morning and the new clue. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I for one am glad I won’t have to be rooting around in an old outhouse! Thank you, Forrest for saving us that bit of unpleasantness!

  63. New original post.

    Dal, I know squat about blog sites. Is there an easy cure for the posting problems that we are having on The Nine Clues blog? i.e., we don’t know where our post will show up.

    • dollarbill-
      I don’t know either..
      Maybe it’s the sheer number of comments..
      Hopefully this comment comes right under yours.
      We could try starting a Nine Clues Part Two..

  64. So I do not know about you all but I am still looking and using the outhouse when I am out searching but have to go in there bravely if I find one, just hope that red chile does not come out in a blaze.

  65. This is weird. Some of the comments seem to be under the correct comments and others do not. When I clicked on your comment Dal, to see where in the thread you responded, the blog went to the top of the page instead of going to your comment. Maybe Nine Clues, Part Deux would fix if the problem is too many responses to this one. 🙂

    • I reply to comments through my email..I wonder if that’s part of the problem…I’m not actually on the web site. So if mine aren’t showing up in the right place…that could be it…but don’t tell me, because I like replying this way lol.

      • Hi Stephi,

        I reply by e-mail through a web browser interface and then have to hunt for the post i am responding to. Sometimes it goes in under the post i am replying to and other times it doesn’t. I also do the same thing from my iPad mail program and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t.

        Like everything TTOTC . . . it’s a mystery! One thing is certain though i’m not putting in below any outhouses! 😉

      • Steph
        I use hotmail now outlook and I always use reply writhing a post and it has always shown up right under the post that I am replying to like this one will. Also in the upper corner it shows me Leave a Reply to: Stephanie then under that it shows cancel reply
        So I would suugest that the person replying look at that in the upper right corner to make sure they are replying to the correct post person.
        Also if you don’t click notify me of follow up comments via eamil it can get lost and put up above the current posting so always check that

          • Dal^
            I think or at least it works fine be me
            Are people thinking that if they reply to someone that they think it should be a the bottom, it doesn’t do that, it puts their reply in under that person’s post two days ago way up like in the middle of the tread, that is what it does and is supposed to do, but it is sure hard to go find it then however.
            Do you think that is what they are talking about. No need to respond just an observation.

  66. I’ve started part two..
    Problem is ..if I close comments here then you cannot read them either. So for the time being both part one and part two are open for comments. I hope to figure out how to allow viewing of the comments but not adding any new comments.

    If you can…please move over to part two and add comments there rather than here…



    • dal, I was just curious and wanted to give my mind a rest, so I started looking into the posting problem chronology. The problem seems to have an axis line around two out of order posts. One by “Kym / Mar 23 2013 10:48 am” and the other by “Stu / Mar 24 2013 7:58 pm”, which appear one above the other in your thread, with Kym being above Stu. Kym’s post always appears in the thread as the last new thread post with Stu’s post always just after Kym’s.

      It appears that all new thread posts (and replies to them) do and will appear in their correct chronological order above Kym’s post. It also seems that all replies to previous thread posts do and will appear correctly.

      However, all thread reply posts that are linked to Stu’s post appear below Stu’s post. Their order depends on which reply post or sub reply post (linked to Stu’s post) that the reply is replying to.
      I figured out that Kym was replying to Jwhal’s Mar 23 – 9:38 am thread reply post that was replying to his/her own Mar 23 – 8:53 am thread reply post that was replying to Dazed&Confused’s Mar 23 – 8:38 am new thread post. I don’t know if Kym was trying to reply via creating a new thread post; or, was just trying to create a thread reply post.

      I couldn’t associate Stu’s post with any definite prior new thread posts or their replies. Maybe Stu could let you know who he/she was trying to respond to (or was trying to begin a new thread post).
      Do with this wealth of information as you see fit. A trash can might not hurt my feelings. Just don’t send your hatchet man, oops woman, after me, please.

      I haven’t read any posts for awhile, so I hope this is not old news. I just accidentally stumbled on your post looking for your previous other post.

  67. i think the home is where its at brown is a color i think it stands for colorado the home of brown i think is sand dumes in colorado see what you think

  68. i went there alone i think its talking about one place that is different that stands a lone the home of brown i think that home is a place brown is color and i think it stands for colorado there are sand dumes not far from santa fe in colorado the home of brown the sand dumes look like waves of water there is also on one of the sand dumes its called high dome maybe for waters high on the upper right out side of the dumes is a large cave i heard some one say that ff said you needed a flash lighti hope i didnt mess any body up with this comment

      • there is a dry creek that runs out side the sand dumes with trees and rocks and close to there down the creek is that large cave also it must not rain there much being there is sand dumes where warm waters halt

  69. Dal, I found a definition of structure online today and I couldn’t help but notice that it applies to geological structures as well. Being how foxy Fenn is in giving out clues, I was wondering if that excluded caves, etc.

    • Be careful. I don’t think Forrest uses a dictionary to manufacture his clues. In my opinion take it for what it’s worth…I would eliminate manmade structures for sure…but I’m not about to avoid caves or waterfalls or rapids or rock cairns…
      I think the clue stands on its own without the help of Mirriam or Webster…

  70. Casey
    Hey remember I am part female since I had a kidney transplant and the donor was female
    so who knows what I was thinking. but don’t ask please so I can just slink awa yfrom this.

    • Tim/Tim Nobody,

      Absolutely the funniest thing I have seen on this blog…had to tell my 16 year old son about it. I believe Manti Te’o’s name came up in comparison. Keep the sense of humor, can’t take ourselves too seriously!

      BTW, you provide good insight on here…no matter what alias you use…thanks.

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