Begin at Warm Eye…

SUBMITTED JULY 2015
Michael D

 

ALL of the following is IMO ONLY!! My most recent search for the chest was also my most successful, and while I did not come home with Indulgence, I came home with a new outlook that provides me with unique insight into the way the poem must be solved. Please enjoy my latest solve, and by all means go there….it is quite a spectacular place. I highly recommend a side trip to Diablo Canyon too, which is near the Chili Line, a now non-existent narrow gauge railroad that ran from Santa Fe to Chile, NM.

6/29/2015

I look at the poem as directions wearing a poetic disguise, so I can take certain language and spelling peculiarities as purposeful, since Forrest uses a few words that aren’t in the dictionary, and others that are, he bends a little. In order to give directions, one needs a fixed starting point, direction of travel, and distance.  Forrest gives us many things to ponder in his poem, but one thing is for sure…a map exists in the words of the poem, along with marked starting and ending points, and including instructions on how to get from point A to Point X. Here is one interpretation, and I think you will all agree, it is a goodun’.

As EYE have gone alone in there

And with my treasures bold,

EYE can keep my secret where,

And hint of riches new and old.

This is clue number one of nine clues that are in chronological order. It tells us the Beginning (where warm waters halt), has a lone EYE in it and a lone I in it, And that EYE or I can keep the secret of where warm waters halt, and also may hint at the treasure resting location as well. This is the key to locating the correct warm waters, and the correct halting location of those waters.

Begin it where warm waters halt

This is clue number two, and tells us the starting location is where warm waters stop, or halt. But Forrest has stated that warm waters halt in many places in the Rockies, so which place is it…that information is in clue number one. When researching EYE, and I, and warm waters on Google Earth and other resources and maps, I came across Ojo Caliente, a town and a river named after a hot spring there. Ojo is Spanish for EYE, and Caliente is Spanish for warm or hot…so this, quite literally translates as WARM EYE. It is in New Mexico, and North of Santa Fe. Many searchers have made mention of how well it fits the poem. I don’t believe the hot springs is wwwh, however. I believe The Ojo Caliente hot springs mix with the waters of the Ojo Caliente River, making it warmer. This river then halts where it enters the Rio Chama, making the mouth of the Ojo Caliente River where warm waters halt. It is funny to me that the town at the confluence of the Ojo Caliente and the Chama rivers is called Chili (as in Chilly, as in where warm waters halt, or as in worth the cold!)

And take it in the canyon down

This is Clue three, and gives us our direction of travel; down, or downstream, in the canyon of the Rio Chama.

Not far, but too far to walk.

This is clue number four. It gives us distance, but at this point we don’t know exactly how far down the canyon we should go, or do we?…only that it is too far to walk, which I take to mean look a ways down the canyon…remember, we are using a good map or google earth as our research tools. So how far down canyon?? What about not four miles but two four two miles walk? Yes, it could be not 4, but 2.42 walk, or not 4, but 24.2 walk, or not 4, but 242 walk. But I chose 24.2 because it is the only LOGICAL choice. 242 puts us well south of Santa Fe. 2.42 is less than four, and is not too far to walk. 24.2 miles is more than 4, keeps us North of Santa Fe, and is, most would agree, not far, but too far to walk. And it works PERFECTLY with the rest of my solve too!! So if we go down the canyon 24.2 miles, we end up right below the home of Brown…When the Rio Chama enters the Rio Grande, we continue downstream, which is also south…let’s explore,

Put in below the home of Brown.

A tough nut to crack, but this turns out to be clue number five. If we continue to follow the Chama into the Rio Grande, (on a map remember?) and keep traveling down canyon for 24.2 miles from the mouth of the Ojo Caliente River, we go through several Indian Pueblo reservations, which are a brownish tint on the USGS quads of this part of New Mexico. The Brown skin of the Native American peoples that call these pueblos home also bodes well for this interpretation of the poem map. This clue tells us not to actually enter the canyon until we are below the boundary of the reservations on the map (below the home of Brown).The last reservation on the Rio Grande still North of Santa Fe is the San Ildefonso Pueblo. Now we know distance. And if we use Google Earth to run a quick directions check on the distance between Chili, NM (Worth the cold, and where warm waters halt) and San Ildefonso Pueblo (home of Brown), on interstate 84, it is…are you ready for this?…24.2 miles EXACTLY. (Not far, but Two Four Two walk). As in drive, as in interstate 84… So we enter (PUT IN) the Rio Grande Canyon 24.2 miles from our starting point of Chili, NM., just below San Ildefonso Pueblo (near the Ottowi Bridge)…but remember, we are still using a map!! I believe the location may be solved without leaving the house, but the treasure cannot be located without boots on the ground. Now alternately, if we go 24.2 miles “IN the canyon down”, as in following the rivers, we end up on an Island in the Rio Grande that is EXACTLY 270 degrees WEST, which is left (nigh) as you look at a map, of a very particular place… and that place just happens to be DIRECTLY below (South) of the San Ildelfonso Indian reservation “Sacred lands” boundary marker.

From there it’s no place for the meek

The end is ever drawing nigh,

There’ll be no paddle up your creek,

Just heavy loads and water high.

This whole stanza I consider to be clue number six, although arguably there are more twisted hints surrounding this funny clue after you decipher it’s geographic location reference on the map… for now you know you are looking for a creek to go up from the Rio Grande, and you don’t know for CERTAIN whether its nigh as in closer, or nigh as in left, or nigh as in west… But the next line, just heavy loads and water high, gives you more information about what you are looking for on the map or Google Earth… (Your references for reading the directions in the poem). I translate this clue using the confidence that clues one through five are correct, and place me within striking distance of the chest. For doubters, this one will be tough to swallow. But to get the chest, you CANNOT be meek. Now, the end is ever drawing nigh is tricky at best, and my iffiest clue at worst. People have said nigh means to go left…but when you mount a horse, you are facing the same direction as the horse…meaning your left is the horses left too. So far in the poem, for this solve, directions cannot be confused. What I mean by this is canyon down is both South AND downstream, and below is both lower and South of the home of Brown. But nigh leaves some questions…or does it? We are still using a map to navigate…so if we orient the map with the compass heading of true north, that is, place the top of the map to the North, nigh becomes West. West is also left when you are facing the same direction as the map is oriented (North at the top and South at the bottom). So now the horse is the map and we are the rider, and both are facing the same direction when going nigh…or left…or West. So we are looking for a place that is not for the meek, to the west as we go DOWNSTREAM along the Rio Grande, (on a MAP) and we won’t be paddling up it…This clue has ALWAYS reminded me of the saying, “Up S#!t creek without a paddle” and I believe Forrest knows that saying as well. Others have seen this in the poem or Forrest would not have felt the need to tell us not to dig the old outhouses, and Dal would not have insulted Forrest with the thought of a sewage treatment plant. But wait… it just so happens that to the west of us as we travel Downstream 24.2 miles along the Rio Grande, a S#!t creek (heavy loads!!) flows into the Rio Grande. This creek flows out of MORTALITY CANYON…and the real name of the Creek in Mortality canyon is CEDAR CREEK (In the wood), translated into English from Spanish for your reading convenience. There is a S#!t waterfall on the South Wye of the Canyon (So why is it). Now, let me explain. The Wastewater Treatment Plant Effluent from WHITE ROCK (the blaze), New Mexico feeds a waterfall on Cedar Creek, that flows in Mortality Canyon. This clue, plus clue seven, solid it up for us…

If you’ve been wise, and found the blaze (WHITE ROCK),

Look quickly down your quest to cease

But tarry scant with marvel gaze,

Just take the chest and go in peace.

Well, once you get clue seven, you see the ugly truth of this whole thing!! Boy, Forrest wasn’t kidding when he said we’d be surprised by where it is, and he meant it when he said it’s more fun to figure it out than it is to go get it, because then the fun is over!! We have all heard that Forrest mentioned to Dal that a blaze is something white. And we all know that rock cairns are/were often used in blazing trails. When I saw the town of White Rock, NM on the map, I knew I had found the blaze. It fit in every way Forrest had alluded to, and more. When I look quickly down from White Rock, NM I am seeing the creek that I won’t be paddling up…it is literally a s#!t creek!! Below White Rock wastewater treatment plant, a waterfall cascades down a canyon known as Mortandad (Mortality) Canyon! It is very pretty to look at from afar but has quite a different appeal close up. Kinda gives “Go in Peace” a new meaning now don’t it? Along with So Why is it that I must go. I guess that’s why we don’t tarry scant huh! But would Forrest really do that?? Or does he just want us to get pooh on us before we find the chest?

Clue eight is the entire next stanza…

So why is it that I must go, (LMAO)

And leave my trove for all to seek?

The answers I already know,

I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak.

So why….South wye of the Creek? Yup, matches up if we are approaching from the poem direction, which is UP Mortality Canyon, from the Rio Grande River, remember? Also possibly humorously asking why we must spend so much of our lives going to the bathroom….surely that’s a design deficiency of some sort. So he “goes” and leaves his trove? Hmm…

So hear me all and listen good,

Your effort will be worth the cold,

If you are brave and in the wood

I give you title to the gold.

Well, clue nine both brings us back to the beginning with the Chili/cold reference, and also makes it sound as if we must enter the pooh waterfall stream at some point in order to retrieve the chest….eeeewww!

But I am hoping that the last line tells a different tale…A bit further up Mortality Canyon from the pooh falls, is another, more pronounced South Wye…and the name of this creek is…wait for it again…Cedro Canyon, (Cedar Canyon…= in the wood??) Perhaps Forrest terrifies us with the thoughts of pooh falls, secretly hoping someone actually goes in there to find it….and all the while it is nestled just a tad further up the canyon on the left..(South, or nigh..), in Cedar Canyon. Of course, I will have checked them both by the time you read this. But Forrest claims the chest is wet, and the only year round water source in Mortality canyon is the pooh falls…what a perfect place to put something you don’t want found for a long, long time. Who in their right mind is going wading around under a pooh waterfall looking for riches? Except maybe a kid. It just so happens that several baseball fields are located within 100 yards from the top of the waterfall.

Now I will get a bit more twisted. Forrest mentions how disappointed he was in Laos and Vietnam when he visited his beautiful waterfall…it just wasn’t the same close up as it was from a distance. I’m guessing the same could be said about this waterfall. As tough as it is to swallow, I can see Forrest using this kind of humorous, and a tad off-putting location to hide his gold. If you read that poem with a bathroom in mind, a lot starts to jump out at you!! No need to search the old outhouses, cuz it’s under pooh falls!! It gets better. Can it be a coincidence that it is EXACTLY 24.2 miles from my WWWH to My HOB? Do me a favor. Go to google earth and begin at the confluence of the Ojo Caliente River and Rio Chama. Staying in the river bottom, measure a path moving downstream, continuing downstream on the Rio Grande. Go a path distance of 24.2 miles. You should end up on a little island in the Rio Grande Canyon…Funny, but if you go 270 degrees due West (nigh) from that spot, you come out PRECISELY at the waterfall in Mortality Canyon on Cedar Creek. And if you go due East (90 degrees) from that same Island, you end up precisely 8.25 miles North of the X formed by HWY 599 and Interstate 84, the city limits northern boundary marker of Santa Fe. That seems to fit the bill of AT LEAST 66000 links north of Santa Fe, NM. If you do a little leg work, you discover that White Rock, NM has been removed from existence before, and was rebuilt in 1963…just around the time Forrest would have been wrapping up his Indian Ruin exploration from the cockpit of his jet in the four corners states. What if he found a great little hidey spot BEFORE they built the treatment plant? What if he went back after they built the plant and stashed the chest in the spot he found so dear? Would it still be dear to him? There’s another small catch…The location falls near Indian Reservation lands labelled SACRED on the quad map. Is that why you must be BRAVE??? Yes, pun intended. So here is the poem, as translated by Michael Dill…

Since EYE and the letter I both appear in the name of the starting point, They will be used as the first clue, and perhaps help you find the box as well. Start where the Ojo Caliente river meets the Rio Chama, and go downstream 24.2 miles. Your destination is South AND downstream of the San Ildelfonso Indian Reservation Boundary, which is the home of Brown. From there it is no place for people weak in spirit or resolve. Travel west up Mortality canyon, to a waterfall. The correct location is directly down from WHITE ROCK. Take the South wye when coming up your creek. Remember, EYE holds the answer. So hear me and listen to what I am telling you. Your effort will be worth getting wet. If you act like you are an Indian warrior, and you are in Cedar Creek, I give you title to the gold.

This is as simplified as I can make it. The poem is directions on a map, or google earth. It takes you to a specific location, and from there you still must search for the chest. It will be difficult, but not impossible to find it. FF isn’t giving anything away. The finder will have paid his or her dues.

7/10/2015

Well, I just got back from standing in pooh waterfalls, and I searched the cave crevices behind them thoroughly. I also searched the North wye of Mortality canyon as well, after discovering a promising white rock cliff. The going was very tough, and I found myself doubting that a 79 or 80 year old man did that hike twice in one afternoon with twenty pounds on his back….plus water. But my solve seemed so sound to me, that I went with confidence. I came away with some fantastic photos, a nice turquoise bead, and an arrowhead for my troubles.

Michael D.

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31 thoughts on “Begin at Warm Eye…

  1. Michael

    You always write about an awesome adventure. That was good. I like the Fenn sign I would have been excited about that.
    I bet you were thinking it was there. 🙂

  2. Michael, loved your thinking and solutions to much of the poem. I, too, liked this general area a year or so ago, especially the Otowi Bridge and Crossing made famous in the old Los Alamos days when Edith Warner ran a tea house there. Plus Otowi is the Tewa word meaning “gap where water sinks”, and refers to the area where nearby Pueblo Creek sinks into the sand. And, Buckman Rd runs through La Tierra, where Eric Sloane built a home in 1975. Anyway, good story and photos…thanks for sharing. cynthia

  3. I don’t remember Forrest ever telling dal the blaze is something white I think he said it could be correct me if I’m wrong dal 🙂

    • Dal believes it might be white or at least that’s what he said in a video one time. Guess that idea comes from a horses blaze being white…. WHY would we need to have been wise to find it though? like we should know what we are looking for ahead of time..

      • Yea im as clueless as you wise means knowledgeable so we got to be knowledgable about something that’s a blazen lol

      • Pieces…
        no, no, no…
        I did not say the blaze is white…

        I have explained this over and over and still that rumor persists..
        Here is what happened..
        Spring of 2014
        I am with an Australian journalist by the name of Nick who is interviewing Forest in Santa Fe. The journalist asks Forrest, “What is a blaze?”
        Forrest responds by giving him a non-answer. Forrest says something like,
        What is a blaze? A blaze could be a white mark on a horses head. A blaze could be a white rock. A blaze could be a streak of white lightning…
        (this is not a quote) and forrest gave a couple of other examples..I don’t remember what any of them were.
        But I was noticing how each example he pointed out was described as white.

        When it came to the part in the Nick’s story where I was being interviewed Nick asked me what I thought about what Forrest said during the interview and I said something to the effect of:
        I noticed that Forrest kept giving examples of what a blaze could be as something white and I wonder if that means that the blaze is white.(not a quote)

        After my interview we visited the 2014 Fennboree and I was talking with Desertphile and repeated this observation..
        At no time did I say the Blaze is white…I was wondering out loud. At no time did Forrest say the blaze was white he simply gave several examples of what a blaze might be and used the word “white” as a descriptor in each case.

        So…I in no way endorse the idea that the blaze is white..I was simply wondering, out loud, about what I heard Forrest say. I noticed the word “white’ come up many times and wondered if that was just a coincidence of speech or if he was hinting that the blaze was actually something white…but neither Forrest nor I said that the blaze is white…

        As I search for a blaze in my various solutions I keep my mind open to any kind of blaze and am not locked into the idea that it is “white” at all.

        So please stop saying that I said or that I believe the blaze is white..I never said that and I don’t buy into that.
        Please also stop saying that Forrest said the blaze is “white”. He never said that. He simply repeated the word “white” several times in a row as he was answering Nicks question about what a blaze is.

    • DG – I don’t recall white either but certainly we need to be wise to ever figure what in the blazes it is. My mind is so full I need to remove my heavy hat of clues and breath in air. Are you still slingin snakes? That reminded me of a double meaning snake Indians inturred in the sling of a ytree. far fetched I know, but given the life of adventure Forrest has lived, almost anything is possible, except bootleggers kegs, he never touches the stuff. Pilots have to be clear headed.

      • Jdiggins, I have a white blaze with the possibility of UV purple in the dark. Maybe he painted white stripes leading the way!! Haha I must need sleep[==**¥]

      • Yep I’ll keep slinging snakes until it’s found. Going back in august to see what else slithers across my path

  4. First, I grew up in this area so I’m pretty familiar with it and actually thought about possibilities in this area. Second, much better solution attempt then the Uranium mill proposal (i think that was you if not mistaken otherwise I apologize in advance).

    So some thoughts on this line of thinking…..

    You started out OK and I liked the linear progression of the path but…….. you kind of lost me starting with HOB. Not sure if you realize but that whole area (Mortendad canyon/Rio Grand canyon right there) is all on the San Ildefonso Pueblo land so technically you were trespassing and not actually below (south of) the reservation.

    Then you lost me with the whole discussion on the horse and turning around backwards upstream in order to determine left is west (yes I understood the nigh association). Does the poem suggest turning backwards?

    Finally, I guess someone would have to question if F would really want to lie in state below Pooh Falls? i’ll go out on a limb and say no.

    • I PUT IN south of the reservation….the look out and the east side of the Rio Grande are not on reservation land….but you are correct, the canyon in question is on reservation land…but I did not trespass, because there are no fences or signs when accessing that canyon from the lookout. Forrest would not eliminate reservation lands when asked about it, but when I arrived I was in agreement that it was not a place he wanted to rest for all eternity.

  5. That area had been my favorite search area. Especially Diablo canyon. The water fall is accessible from overlook park in Whiterock. The problem is that the trail down may be too hard for an 80 year old man. Another issue that makes it no longer my favorite area is the lack of pine trees that were mentioned by ff in the Huffington post interview. But I will tell you about another Eye. Otowi peak is also called the crocodile because of its profile. There is a lava tube cave on the south east side, hiding behind a bush where the eye of the crocodile would be imagined. There is a picture of it in one of the photo albums.The picture of it was taken before the treasure was hidden. So, maybe it is worth another look. Take the trail up from Old Buckman Road at the Rio Grande.

  6. The Interstate you mention, I-84, is actually State Hwy 84. It is not an Interstate. Nice little adventure you had. Why no pic of the arrowhead? I spend a lot of time near the area you searched. That’s a beautiful lookout view there.

  7. A couple of thoughts, there are many places in NM which have been called Ojo Caliente throughout history.

    Please stay out of sewage treatment discharge, it could be the end of your life as you know it. There are many cases of dead fish below treatment discharge points in the Rio Grande. Thats an indication that not all sewage plants are adequately monitored.

    Good luck on your searches. 🙂

  8. Nice job Michael D… There are actually three falls in that canyon. Thanks for sharing your story. The arrowhead would be a nice picture too…I love finding them.

  9. I’m just going back to the basics this morning. I was looking at lists of warm water stream’s. I noticed a peculiarity about the Rio Grande. It is both a warm water and cold water river. Up in Colorado it’s a cold river. But down south of Taos county is where it is said to be warm. Where exactly is not said. So I guess it is near the confluence of the Embudo river at junction of 68 and 75. I still prefer the confluence of the Rio Pueblo.
    If you’re going to look for a list of warm water and cold water streams, I suggest you read the Delorme Atlas & Gazetteer. It’s the big red road atlas at the bookstore.

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