The Key Word…Part One


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“Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

The above is a quote from Forrest. This page is where we can discuss what that key word might be.




633 thoughts on “The Key Word…Part One

    • i agree the home of Brown has not been named. which means its not a bat, trout, and who know what else.
      trout was part of our solve but we also have two different HoB that get this over lap

    • Brown has always left me wondering if that is the best word in the poem because it is capitalized. Mr. Fenn said that all you need is the poem to find the treasure. I thought to myself, for instance, if someone where to find this poem 50 years from now and had no internet access, I feel Brown is a significant word as to where one may search, it just seems to me the poem has no real definitive direction as to where one should begin or search? (the word canyon could narrow down the map also) Thanks Brad, Harrisburg PA

      • Happy New Year Brad, if “Brown” is your key word, perhaps a parcel which was owned by Burlington Rail… B.R.own – before purchased privately or traded to NFS, in conservation trust, etc. look at the last illustration in TTOTC perhaps those trees were harvested for rail road ties by Burlington Northern years ago. Fenn admits to playing Monopoly when his gallery afforded him money to play with. Railroads play a big part in that game. IMO

        I’ll share my key word ideas to start the new year off with a Big laugh.

        I can hear the laughter peeling through the blogosphere! LOL
        Happy New Year everyone!

        • Sorry to hear that your new year started with a bout of diarrhea.

          Stay safe in the hunt

  1. “……with a word that is key.”

    Sounds like he is saying the key word is key. That is not what I think, but I found his phrasing interesting.

  2. My question would be, how do you decide which is the key word and/or the word that is key. Any thoughts on the process to determine which word to zero in on?
    I have changed my mind many times.

          • @uken2it, not by F unless all you need is the poem.


          • I don’t believe it’s been made clear by f, but I think most have inferred contextually that it is in the poem since he said that’s all you need…

            Also, I kinda look at it from the standpoint of what’s the first and last words that rhyme like a poem is supposed to? Beginning and Ending…alpha omega.

          • While there is some lawyerly wiggle-room for the “word that is key” coming from some place other than the poem, a normal reading of his statement implicates the poem as the source. Direct quote from him: “It is interesting to know that a great number of people are out there searching. Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key. The treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated.”

          • Zaphod,
            Thanks for your input. It would take a bit of wiggling at first glance. I don’t mean to be arguing one way or another. As you quoted:

            “It is interesting to know that a great number of people are out there searching. Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key. The treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated.”

            Think of my question in this light; many giving serious thought on clues in the poem, few focusing on a word that is key. Clues mentioned and word that is key mentioned. Why is the more clear reading that both are in the poem?

          • Uken2it,

            You asked:

            “…many giving serious thought on clues in the poem, few focusing on a word that is key. Clues mentioned and word that is key mentioned. Why is the more clear reading that both are in the poem?”

            Mainly because he hasn’t explicitly supplied an alternative source for the word that is key. So, absent that, “clues in my poem” is the clear back-reference context of “a word that is key.” The “word” is coming from somewhere; if not from the poem, then where? The book? If so, why would Fenn mention the poem at all in the beginning of the sentence, unless you’re suggesting he’s being deliberately misleading?

            If you look through this blog subject at all the possible interpretations of “a word that is key” coming from just the poem, there’s hardly any need for FF to be cagey. That was my main reason for my caveat — that to believe he isn’t referring to the poem as the source of the word means you think he’s being deliberately deceptive. I don’t think he is, but a lawyer or logician might choose to believe otherwise.

            On a final note, FF has claimed that you only need the poem to find the treasure. If true, then it seems inescapable that if there is a word that is key, it must come from within the poem vs. elsewhere.

          • Zaphod73491,

            I am a “continuation high school graduate” and no more certainly not a lawyer trying to wiggle around f’s intentions.

            No explicit alternative is also no explicit affirmation. If there are alternatives to your interpretations (there are always different view points), there is no definitive answer. Therefore we discuss.

            This seems to be so important to you to the point that I am inclined to believe your argument is to dissuade others from this line of reasoning.

            So the word that is key, if not the poem… Well f has an interest in preservation of the earth and nature and indigenous peoples and citizens rights, fishing etc. Might not a word that is key come from f’s interests?

            You mention that if f’s statement is true (If true, then it seems inescapable that if there is a word that is key, it must come from within the poem vs. elsewhere.)

            Inescapable and if seem to be at odds. Yet this is your basis for “then it seems inescapable that if there is a word that is key, it must come from within the poem vs. elsewhere.”

            So where are we? Different “opinions” neither factual. Fact would be “The word that is key is in the poem” or otherwise.

            All I share above is based upon my sincere and opinionated questioning whether it is certain that f meant that the word that is key certainly is in the poem.

            You have deduced and argue that all you need is the poem. I hope you are correct since I went searching for a couple of years based on it. But more recent discussions and interviews or even f statements argue otherwise. Which states were eliminated? Utah, Nevada, Idaho? Canada? I think so, how about Alaska?

          • In this thread, I’m replying to zaphod below, making a logical case for a word that is key to be within the poem vs elsewhere.

            If all you need is the poem, you can make a good argument that within the poem may be a better source than “elsewhere”, which is rather vast. I previously made a case for the logic of a key being important at the beginning of something, not further within.

            If we follow that logic about the poem as the primary source, the wellspring, then we can also consider that the word that is key is derived FROM the poem, not an actual word used within the poem, or elsewhere.

            This is what I believe that it is. And if the word comes from the poem, it’s connected with understanding and/or a clue solution of the poem. And I feel that Forrest is hinting at what the word that is key actually is. In other words, he’s hinting at something that has to do with a solution to a clue. And ‘tight focus’ are well chosen words as well…


        • zaphod, uken2it,

          I can see the dilemma in, the word that is key.

          The first impression is that it should be in the poem. “All you need is the poem” comment. As well as the context of the, “Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

          But. fenn has told us to use the book as reference, as well,

          Just prior to the poem there is a sentence or intro, if you will. “So I wrote a poem containing nine clue that is followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure.”

          Alone this sentence maybe nothing more than an intro to the poem… but does hold facts. We are looking for nine clues… This is not stated in the poem, but we use this to help understand how many clues are needed to be understood. With that in mind, could Rainbow… that seems out of place in that sentences, have meaning to the poem, not unlike the “nine clues” themselves.

          And in this relationship, possibly be the word fenn is referring to as the word that is key?

          To point out this as a possible, the statement has ” but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key” The use of “and” would have definitely placed the “word” in the poem or removing the “but only” would do the same. Having that in the statement may indicate it is not in the poem. Of course that is speculation at best.

          The fact remains the intro sentences… IMO… leaves a good possibility of something that should be considered as important, just as the knowing of how many clues are needed. As that sentence does appears to be instructions.

          The other thought is why Rainbow before treasure? Is the treasure not what we are only looking for? “… will lead to my rainbow ‘and’ the treasure.” It does raise an eyebrow.

          But don’t take what I say to heart… I still looking for that first clue.

  3. This provocative bait is tasty, Dal. 🙂

    IMO, the word that is key is “end”. It’s a key on the keyboard, and it alludes to several other relevant things in my current solution.

  4. Sorry, I would love to share but I’m heading to my location in 2016. I’m staying tight lipped because I found other clues not in the poem but supporting the poem precisely!

  5. I think Forrest would be disappointed if people who know the word spilled the beans, because I think he wants one person to solve it without any help and deserve the prize.

    But even once a searcher knows the word, he/she needs to know how to use it.

    And even knowing the word and how to use it.. there is still a lot of thinking and work required to unlock all those clues.

    I do believe I know the word. And I have seen several other people mention it on these blogs, but possibly without knowing its significance.

    Here is how I discovered it (big assumption that I have it correct)– brute force. I decided a long time ago how I was going to try and solve the puzzle and I have been working that particular angle every day for hours. I have been disappointed, discouraged, went on seven unsuccessful trips… but I have always moved forward and as yet I haven’t given up or gone totally bonkers.

    Here is a hint for those kind enough to read this long boring post to this point: the key word is not explicitly written anywhere in the book (or poem), IMO.

    Trip number eight is penciled in for the end of August.

    Good luck to everybody. But you need the key word more than you need luck.

    • Funny how when you visit a place from Google map it looks so small and when you get there it feels like a new continent!

      Good luck Muset

  6. Hmmm, where can the key be? Give me a hatchet and i will find the word.

  7. To me when Forrest used the phrase “a word that is key”, that made me think the word was not one of the words in the poem but maybe one from his book. I’m still trying to figure which word it might be but one thought was “trout”.

  8. In my opinion, the book is riddled with hints. Not hints to the hidey space, but hints to solving the clues. Among the handful I’ve identified, the closest that comes to my understanding of the key word is within the soldier’s epitaph.

  9. That suggests that “Brown” is not the only key word. My selection for the key work Forrest means is “Wood.”

  10. Tight focus is the satellite image you look at . And the key is the shadows in the satellite image

  11. That, and the chapter “Me in the Middle” also has a blatant reference to the key, if you ask me 🙂

  12. Muset is pretty close. I’ve said it before, but no one pays any attention. The word that is key is in the poem. None of the few that know the word will ever tell.

    • I’m paying attention 😉

      I know what the key is and I’ve offered some big hints before today. I’m also glossed over a lot, and that’s fine with me. I read through some of your other posts. I think finding the chest takes AT LEAST 2 or 3 trips of recog before you even know what you’re looking at.

      I wish you the best of luck.

      Oh yeah, and just in case this doesn’t nest properly, this response is for Emmett Dearing.

  13. I agree with 42’s intelligent solution. Key word is “Key” as in the key of middle E and F major frequencies tied to longitude and latitude. She was brilliant and incredibly generous to share publicly her methods. As she suggested I’ve located mirror image locations in Montana and New Mexico working with music frequencies.

    Additionally, by following the poem graphing format (remove spaces and punctuation, justify Left) The POEM’s content is very revealing. One other key word becomes End/bottom/butt and offers a horrific ending to someone’s life.

    Has anyone ever asked Forrest:
    I believe he speaks true in that the treasure chest is “out there” to look for. but Forrest’s repeated responses including sepulcred, entombed and his oft spoken, “You may as well ask me…How deep is a hole” lead me to believe his trove of gold sits deep within a cavern – which qualifies for being exposed to water and elements. It may not be recoverable.

    2. DOES HE FEEL RESPONSIBLE FOR A LOVED ONE FALLING TO THEIR DEATH FROM A SLIPPERY LEDGE? If you deeply search his poem (in graph format) every line beginning at WWWHalt on down, aludes to an excruciatingly sad death of a person falling to an unrecoverable depth inside a cavern.

    This is not conjecture or imagination. Do your homework – it’s all in the poem.
    These two questions likely answer why Forrest placed his favored possessions in the ‘very dear place’ he did or leave one wondering about the sanity of building a poem around such information.

    Forrest – it would be terrific if you would kindly answer or clarify your poems information.

    • Wow, Anna, Not sure how you got a sad death from reading the poem, from a slippery ledge? I think that the poem represents a special marvel adventure and the feeling of wonder at a treasure hunt that is happy for young and old. IMO….

      Lou Lee, a treasure hunting, prospector from whoville!

    • @anna – I’m mildly curious about this because I haven’t considered this yet. How do you arrive at these conclusions using “graph format”? I’ve graphed it out as you suggested and I don’t see “bottom” or anything even remotely resembling “a loved one falling to their death from a slippery ledge”. Are you treating the result like a word-search on vertical columns? Is this method from 42’s postings somewhere I can read?

  14. Word that is key… In Short, woodbee I. is what I aim eyeing with high regards


  15. Key word is ‘Middle’
    the key is middle E.
    Ef is the answer
    42 laid out for all to see.

    Now Dal can move me
    To the threads of poetry.

  16. My best guess is “in” or the letter n.
    I don’t get ciphers, and from what I have read, we don’t need a cipher.
    A key goes in a box, a key goes in a lock in the box.
    Apply that to a river, it would be a canyon with high walls along the river.
    A lock is a place where the elevation of the river raises, or lowers.

    alone in there
    in the canyon down
    put in below the HOB
    go in peace
    in the wood

    From this I get a vague image, but many clues are passed over.

    • Howdy folks…just wandering (wondering) by and am trying to figure out what is a “key word”? Are we talking about a word that unlocks a cipher? Did Forrest say that there are no ciphers in the poem? Somebody throw me a rope…its dark in this downhill canyon.

        • Indeed. Scales are a ratio to the real world measurement, legend is cartographic symbology, but a key is similar to a legend unless they are another unit altogether.

    • Michael,

      You don’t know it yet, but you are a genius. Thank you my friend.

      I think the key word is listen, but I don’t really know much, so you probably shouldn’t listen to me.

  17. I think the key word is paddle……or maybe warm….it had to be in the peom. IMO

      • Hi Lianer, it is…I just have been thinking alot about the Paddle, and came across something new. Who Knows? Forrest said we would be surprised! Happy Hunting.

        Lou Lee Belle

  18. Michael a box canyon sounds good. We’ll have to go IN to get the goods. The key of f, not music I get… the key of F, I don’t get?

    And Hey Lou lee this is very fun. Lou Lee for president!
    Mark H. Woohoo!

  19. My guess is key word “alone”. Don’t know if it’s right, but that’s what I’m going with. I also like the box canyon idea due to the fact that F said he only knows one way to get in and one way to get out. Then again, that also fits a cave possibly.

    • Carolyn (or anyone), do you know when or where FF said there’s only one way in and out? This is the first I’ve heard of this and I’d appreciate a source if you have it handy. Thank you.

      • There was a question from a searcher a while back who asked if there were shortcuts to get to the location of the treasure. I don’t have the reference handy. Forrest’s response was that the clues must be followed in order and that was the only way to his knowledge. IMO that didn’t really answer the question of whether there are alternate paths and just directs the searcher back to the poem but could have been taken out of context to suggest there was one way in and out.

        • I also recall a bookstore interview where someone asked if the path of clues switched back, and he answered something to the effect of no.

        • Someone unfamiliar with your poem receives a message that says “meet me where warm waters halt, somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”. Would they be able to work out where to go? If they can’t, would they need the whole poem, another stanza, or just a line or word to help them on their way? ~Phil Bayman 
          There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f 

          This may not be the one you’re looking for. I recall another when asked about how He [ FF] traveled to the chest did he take the same route as the poem or did he use a short cut… I believe it was a Q&A on Mysterious Writings.

        • Threerocks, thank you for taking the time to answer my question. FF is such a master at evading them! If this is the info from which others are deducing “one way in and out” it’s enough for me.

          I don’t believe FF followed the same route he lists in the clues. We know he drove a car. I think the poem and clues give the reader “the long way around.” If he has specifically addressed this without dodging the question, I would very much like to know, hehe.

          Thanks again.

          • Do you think he parked his car at a specific address or someplace in the trees that doesn’t have an address per say???

          • @Spallies: I don’t think he parked at an address. I think he parked in a parking lot or on the side of a road.

          • Lois – I agree with you – about ff not taking the route in the poem.

            I think he parked his car in the middle of the road – ( no parking lots where I’m goin) he did not want to make visible tracks of the side of the road. You can be assured he was all alone – nada – not one person around or even able to be there.


          • Nada…
            Not Another Digger Around…
            Not Another Designer Around…

            …does an architect design? Lol TGIF…:)

          • Uh yeah, so… inthechaseto… which state are you searching and when are you going next? I like to identify my competition when I can 🙂

            NM here.

  20. What a day for laughs. all the different words used by each other, for the key word. LOL. oh, by the way… it’s ” a word that is key”

    Yep, seems we all have that hint narrowed down…

    Ha, who needs a word that is key anyways… we’re all in tight focus of the first clue, right? With out that, the chest will never be found.

  21. While it’s truly anyones guess (except Forrest’s), I’ve always favored the word BRAVE. So I guess that makes the key BRAVERY.

    AKA “courage, valor, intrepidity, nerve, daring, fearlessness, audacity, boldness, dauntlessness, stoutheartedness, heroism; backbone, grit, true grit, pluck, spine, spirit, mettle; informalguts, balls, cojones, spunk”

    “the bravery witnessed here today will never be forgotten” <– Sounds right.

    Forrest is looking for his folk hero when he writes his prose. It's a search for the cosmic magical connection he knows he can lure in with his treasure chest or jewels gold and a secret for all to know about him placing him amongst the most mysterious and curious of history's known legends.

    Other ideas sounded proposed sounded interesting. Flexibility is also key.

  22. Could the word that is key be “keystone”? Could “in tight focus” imply tunnel vision? Hmmmm….I think I will go with this and continue searching in NM.

    • Cynthia, you’ve been in tight focus a couple of time in photos on this blog. I prefer to appear in Gaussian blur.

      Tight focus a term in photography. If you send Forrest a close-up picture of a few people maybe it qualifies as a few in tight focus?

  23. Guy Michael, this is from Jennys Blog :
    1Q) My previous 6 questions were asked shortly before last year’s February 27th segment of the Today Show. Reporting on your extraordinary treasure hunt, it resulted in an explosion of new seekers from all across the world. What are some of your thoughts about the flurry of activity over the past year?  Did the excitement towards the Chase surprise you in any way? Does it make you think the chest might be found earlier than first thought?
    It is interesting to know that a great number of people are out there searching. Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key. The treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated.

  24. So ff has stated that a couple of different searchers have been very close, possibly within 200 – 500 feet of the TC, he knows from email these unwittingly searchers have shared with him….okay, then they pass on by the other clues (something to this affect)….Could ‘Hidden’ be the key word? Not a word in the poem but debated and defended more than a couple of times. Thanks Dal for opening this topic back up, refreshing to see everyone dig in. I keep in mind ff’s more recent statement about how once the TC is discovered folks will go ‘why didn’t I think of that!’ I Dreamed about Eric Sloane all night and his wife(s), lol! His 7th wife was named Mimi, same name as my mother’s mother, we called my dad’s mother Bubba…to much sometimes.

    • Cholly you have brought up some interesting things.

      1. ‘Hidden’ is in the poem… one meaning of secret is… hidden. Fenn even gave an example about public lands. The this may get me in trouble comment [ can be found on this blog] when he secret a can of Dr. Pepper on his 2+ public land. I don’t think [ personally ] hidden is the word that is key.

      Oh, another meaning of secret is… to whisper.

      2. Searcher[s] 200′ from the chest.

      Some got the first two clues but may not have know,
      May not have understand the significance of where they were,
      Went passed the other seven clues.
      Need to nail down the first clue.
      doubt anyone will find the chest without the first clue.
      So many ignore the first clue.

      Does any of that hit home? IMO “the word that is key” is related to the above.

  25. AND:

    And with my treasures bold
    And hint of riches new and old
    And take it in the canyon down
    and water high
    and found the blaze
    and go in peace
    And leave my trove
    and now I’m weak
    and listen good
    and in the wood

    that’s ten. this should cover all the clues.
    So look in the sentences that contain AND for direction.

    • Michael H, could Forrest be referring to a friend named Dan?? Total guess here, but there’s much hidden backwards in the poem.

      [Dan or Andy]
      Dan with my treasures bold
      Dan hint of riches new and old
      Dan take it in the canyon down
      Dan water high
      Dan found the blaze
      Dan go in peace
      Dan leave my trove
      Dan now I’m weak
      Dan listen good
      Dan in the wood

    • as in dead, as in a seeker, as in temperature, as in sickness, as in attitude or personality, ? I could go on, as cold has many many meanings.

      What is yours?

      • I agree cold is a metaphor so nothing to do with water temperature. More as you have mentioned emotionally cold or dead.

        • Your effort will be worth the cold…gold/bronze chest.
          Also, he stated that searchers needed to get a magnifying glass and look at the “ces” on the chest again. It is a “word” written under the key hole. But a word that is key refers to a word needed to solve the puzzle, not in the puzzle. It is “think”. Imo

  26. Interesting thread because this was something I had been working on for a very long time. My favourite words that I believed would unlock the poem are “cold” (in the poem) crystal (out).

    The word crystal is derived from the Ancient Greek word κρύσταλλος (krustallos), meaning both “ice” and “rock crystal”, from κρύος (kruos), “icy cold, frost”

    A “tightly focused” beam of light (from a Fenn recommended “flashlight”) on a crystal forms a rainbow – perhaps Fenn’s rainbow.

    My favourite story is “Sunday Kind of Love” where Skippy built Forrest a “crystal” radio and he fell in love with Fran Warren listening to her on that “special” crystal radio. He recommends we google “crystal” and “Fran Warren.” When one does it talks about “Captain Kidd” and “Finian’s Rainbow.” I love those kind of connections.

    Phantoms are crystals and who said “only the Phantom Knows?”

  27. I’m surprised no one has mentioned this yet, but early on, Forrest in response to one of Jenny’s six question stated “The key word is contentment…” I personally don’t think that is the word per se, but it bears bringing it up the quote for new people just getting started in the search.

    • The key word is contentment, but unless you’re brave and in the woods you’re just content.

  28. Those who have figured out this word cringed when FF made this statement. His statement quite literally gives the word away.

  29. Remember when Forrest quoted Duveen:

    There is a quote in the new book about Joe Duveen, “They never knew that it was the search they sought, and not the quarry.”

    Any thoughts?

  30. Before f made this statement, he had made some allusions to a key being needed to unlock the poem, but no one really knew it was a word. Do you think that there is some logical process that allows one to figure out “a word that is key” that the “few” discovered or is it totally random and the “few” just got lucky?

    Is it possible f’s comment about people underestimating the importance of figuring out the first clue may play into the figuring out “a word that is key?” My theory on this is very inclusive of this question.

    • Great questions JCM,
      For me, the few that are in tight focus of the word that is key was from a logical deduction. But may not truly understood it in full its significance, at least at the start.
      I believe that when FF repeats so many time to, re-read the poem over and over again, this word raises an eyebrow. And yes, I believe it as to do with the first clue… but not WWWH.

      It is interesting that when you read the poem you can see different avenues the poem can take. From [BOG] step by step to Death, birth, a journey, the different meanings and variations of words, and Fenn keeps repeating to re- read the poem again and again.

      If you do this re-reading with an open mind each time, you may start to see a pattern. Actually many patterns and the more you read the more the the poem starts to flow… for lack of a better term. I have repeated the poem in my thoughts so many times, but was blinded and bias at first because… I was looking for the answers to the location of the chest, and not looking at the poem and what it says.

    • “Dal”, as you wood know: His tall brown beauty, Peggy, is Forrest’s first and only love in this life. He has been true to her in my opinion. The treasure hunt and poem are about Peggy and how she is the treasure for him. This is not a random or lucky statement, but a knowledge gained from understanding what Forrest is saying (he means what he says). Peggy is his one and only. For this reason, I believe the “secret location” of his treasure resides in Santa Fe. JD

        • Forrest has always said that it is north of Santa Fe, so literally that must be where Indulgence is. I accidentally discovered the geocache just west of the small medicine wheel and 3 of us recorded our real names there. Fearing the media attention and disruption of a currently peaceful life, I later removed and discarded that page. Am I to understand that the other (end) cache has something we need and that it was moved to Whits (think) Lake because NPS took the original? My partner and I, both in California now, are trying to narrow down the Tom T. Hall / place of indulgence location. With so much info and so many leads and communications this is close to becoming totally bananas. We hope the eagle will land at Tranquility Base soon. Thank you for the ride of a life!

          • JD, You have my attention. Are you aka jdiggins on this site, or two different people?

          • Nope, I am JD, aka Johnny Doeskin. Although I work almost entirely alone, I represent and have had some minor assistance from our California team with members from 2 families (me, wife, 2 sons, daughter and my partner from work). “JD” was chosen before I received TTOTC in the mail today–purely a coincidence.

      • JD,
        Peggy could be the “treasures” (of memories) in his life. That leaves the finding of the “chest” and perhaps “riches” if we don’t count f’s success in life.
        Treasures, riches and chest….

        • uken2it: I just received TTOTC in the mail this afternoon. This chase has now become exponentially more interesting and convoluted. Yet I have come to 2 conclusions while sitting here several states away (had to return from MT to go back to work): The ashes of Forrest’s father, William Marvin Fenn, are “painted on the tree” and he and the tree are the Phoenix rising. Drawing a line from “Y” through “the wood” and crossing the River, I conclude that the Forrest Fenn treasures are housed in a bookstore in West Yellowstone, MT. I predict that the name of the bookstore is very likely “The Bookworm” because it has an obelisk. Will you please indulge me with happiness?? I’d like to attend a very very very private meeting with Mr. Fenn sometime soon if you feel that I qualify. JD, aka Johnny Doeskin (this nickname was inadvertently chosen before I received the book–not trying to steal any of Forrest’s massive thunder here).

          • JD,
            I find it helps if, when reading the book, something seems a little out of place, ask yourself “Now what is this doing here?” It might make sense later.

          • June knows the location quite well, and I suspect that you do as well my fine feathered friend 🙂

          • I’m sure JD, you will just jump on a plane the first chance you get. Haha. JD, would this be a business meeting for work or are you just going to hang out at any old bs location you can find in Santa Fe until ff just happens to show his face and buy him a cup of coffee? You know he doesn’t drive anymore, and his residence is strictly off limits to crazy searchers who don’t have an invitation.

          • Nice to make your acquaintance JD. Can confirm birds of a feather.

            Best of luck to you and your team.

  31. Two friends and I utilized a system widely accepted by a specific branch of medical practitioners to deduce where the treasure is located. Upon arriving in late April the creek leading from the keyword and keyword was frozen over. There is a certain stretch of the creek which is 505 feet. The majority of the poem is misdirection following the giveaway clues. If anyone is interested in funded my flights from San Francisco to Santa Fe I will gladly join you and share whatever lies in the spot. I’m trying to be as brief as possible but sometimes some people see an opportunity to take a risk. You can find me on Facebook @ Anthony Hyjer.

    • Now this is a nice of thinking. Something I did not know.
      And it fits so nicely.

      Thanks so much.

  32. Anthony H…f has given us some examples of blazes…on a horses face, on a rock and he submitted the famous “running man” and “f”‘s carved on trees which Dal posted.
    Imo I don’t think his blaze is “a small tributary trail leading from the main foot path”. It’s going to be something that when looked at then quickly down, will give us the treasure. I feel certain I have figured out the blaze. I leave for my 8th and last trip of the season in a few weeks…to Mt /Wy. ¥ Peace ¥

    • Donna, If you read FF comments, he said that searchers have suggested the blazes listed. I don’t believe that the list was “his” suggestions. IMO

  33. P.s. and I don’t believe anything in the poem is “misdirection”, it is straight forward and in order as F has stated.

  34. I’m surprised to see that no one has mentioned “drawing” yet, but I suppose that would be consistent with “few are in tight focus” on the word. If the key word is “drawing”, that could be a clue to the nature of what marks the end of the search. Consider the line with emphasis on the word: “The end is ever [drawing] nigh.” Natural solves for a blaze would include carvings in trees, rocks, etc, or, for example, in my recent solve a formation on the side of a mountain that looks like a campfire drawing.

    • I should add that nearly everyone, when out in the field, is looking for a “drawing” of some sort anyway, so go ahead and embrace the word! 🙂

      • Imo. Drawing is part of a
        directional in the poem, well not that word but with nigh. Used in its content it means “nearing”. F means blaze as a blaze or marking. I feel the blaze is a heiroglyph, or petroglyph. It will stand the test of time. Again, I believe the key word is THINK.

  35. A lot of people immediately change “a word that is key” into “key word”
    IMO this is a mistake and changes the meaning of what FF said in that reply….

  36. Look at the big picture F advised so is IT misdirection to focus on one word that is key. How about look for the key word?

    • I’m thinking (Look) could be the key word because f used the term (tight focus) and look is the only word in the poem that would fit with focus

  37. Write the poem on graph paper without spaces


    You will notice that the letters K, E, and Y line up in the above words.
    And for what it is worth,within ‘beenwise’ is found NW and SE.
    I still got nothin’…

  38. Oh well, I see that my comment yesterday to Illinois has been deleted.

    Illinois, I apologize wholeheartedly. I didn’t mean to sound cruel.
    It just seemed to me, that other than you, the posters here were offering their key word without reservation, and free of charge. Some chose not to disclose their key word, but didn’t make subtle hints to get paid for them. You didn’t offer an opinion, or a key word; what you offered was a cryptic cipher that can only be found in your book. To me, that’s pandering, pure and simple.

    Now, take Wolf for example, last week he offered up all his key words associated with the blaze.

    I’ll pose this one question- Are you seriously suggesting, that with all that’s been written, and all that’s been spoken in the last five years, and considering the tens of thousands of attempts to find this treasure, that you have knowledge of one enlightened word that unlocks this puzzle? Best regards, and good luck with your book.

    Intothechaseto, jealousy is not one my long list of faults. Happy hunting.

    I think I’ll just revert back to observing, it’s far more entertaining.

    Best of luck to all

  39. When ff created the bronze bells and jars which he described in his “Thrill Book” pg 134-139, he, like any artist put details on the casts IMPORTANT to him and he hoped it would be important to someone who may discover it in the future, and like any great artist, felt he was creating a time capsule. ie Rosetta stone comment.

    They may seem crude to the untrained eye, but see them as an early effort at ff’s “time capsule” primitive yes, but does anyone know how long bronze will last in the ground? We still marvel today at art and technology from the “Bronze Age” preserved as if it were made yesterday.

    I once watched a documentary on the making of a prized Samurai Sword, which after it is finished is pure steel, iron being hammered perhaps a million times bent and forged thousands of times, the blade will not rust and holds an edge like nothing else. The Japanese master said you could throw it into the ocean for a hundred years without a speck of rust, proud he is.

    Can you guess the reason for all my rambling now? ff even misspelled the word that we should focus on.

    So lets use our IMAGINATION to gain some KNOWLEDGE (AKA) the joker is at work, KNOWLEGE. So when “Simon AKA ff, says” people with understanding and imagination and knowledge listen….good?

    I have looked at his the book of knowlege, read many times I have, the poem.

    Yoda, I feel now trained (30 trips, in search, there of, I have done):

    This one a long time have I watched. Studied, all his life has he looked away… to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. What he was doing?

    Now here is Yoda’s answer back to me:

    “Ready are you? What know you of ready? For eight hundred years have I trained Jedi. My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained. A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind. This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away… to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph. Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Jedi craves not these things. You are reckless.”

    Perhaps I am just not ready or worthy of the solve and the quest but it is likely that each time ff plays the joker, we should pay attention…have I learned at all?

    Tom T

    • KNOWLEGE = KNOW LEG E. maybe he says one of the legs of the E has something to focus on. Turn the E sideways and you have three legs.

          • UA, Kudos to your insight!

            Pl289 Sometimes even the brightest misspell a word, even ff, if he cannot find one he will create such.

            But odd, is it not that we think of Suzanne Somers in your misspelling of tight as Thigh, let’s ask the master, to reply to your Freudian slip.

            Which master? Yoda or ff?

            I am beginning to see the poem in an Architectural light…

          • Hmmm. SS has always had the right curves, even now.

            Not sure SS is yoda’s cup of tea. I see yoda going for more of a Tina Turner type. IMHO.

  40. As i have gone ‘alone’ in there.

    In reference to ‘a lone’ mountain

      • Michael H – I have a recent email on file from Forrest Fenn stating he has NEVER been to Big Sky Montana. It’s a form of muddy brown truth of course – or one of his father’s ‘just not the whole truths’

        Until 1974 the CDP community of Big Sky was known as BASIN. And if the photo I found is correct then Forrest definitely has been there. I will keep that one for myself – After 2 years of digging deep ive earned the right to hold my hand close or share what i wish without justifying IMO.

        You may also be interested to know the original community of Basin (one land form WWWHalt) had 42 residents; school district is Ophir which means gold and converts nicely to 04

  41. Two words that are key to my evolving stab at a solve are “it” in the first stanza, and “wise” in the fourth. “It” I now feel, is “the journey”, perhaps merely to identify a specific creek.

    I think “wise” is the word, because there (seems to me) is such a huge information/clue gap between “creek” and “blaze”. I’m working on how “wise” can winnow down the area of the creek to search.

  42. ………another thing, with regard to some folks interpretation of the poem as having subtle, perhaps hidden meanings………..

    We’re talking about a guy who threw away the “great works” of literature because they were lame. A “D” student. A jet jock. An art _salesman_ that admits no really “getting” the art. I just can’t imagine Forrest having a world view change and deciding to get “cute” after decades of not. He lives in a practical tangible world.

    I believe the poem will be revealed as quite literal. Vague or unspecific, rather than cryptic.

    • Joseph, what you said is true of ff at one time in his life, but remember his use of this :

      We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time. T. S. Eliot

      Just one more thing which is also TS Eliot;

      A play should give you something to think about. When I see a play and understand it the first time, then I know it can’t be much good.

      (This is our poem)

      I don’t believe one grows older. I think that what happens early on in life is that at a certain age one stands still and stagnates.

      (That will never be the fate of ff or his Thrill poem)

      Half of the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm. But the harm does not interest them.

      Seems f has mellowed out in a good way and has done no harm with the Thrill of the Chase.

      Perhaps he has evolved into someone to be admired, a master?

  43. “in tight focus with a word that is key.” I agree with several other people here, when they say: “word that is key” is related to the first clue – the reason I believe this is because: it’s important to begin our search at the correct spot. However, IMO, I think the “word that is key” might not be a word IN the first clue – the reason I think that is: because lots of us HAVE been “in tight focus” with every word that is in the first clue. I don’t know what the first clue is: but WHATEVER you think the first clue is: I believe many of us have been “in tight focus” with ALL those words (we have beat them to death! hee hee).

    Therefore, I wonder: if there is another word, in the poem, that is the “word that is key” and THAT word gives us a hint to the first clue (or gives us a hint as to where to begin.) For example, if the “word that is key” is “wood” . . . and your search leads you somewhere where there is no “wood” – not only does that mean: you took a wrong turn, but that might mean: you started in the incorrect spot.

    Here’s another example: A word in the poem that baffles me is: “quickly”. Should I be “in tight focus” with the word “quickly”? I need to find somewhere where I must: look down “quickly”. If my first 4 or 5 clues take me somewhere where I do NOT have to look down “quickly” – I must be in the wrong spot.

    I hope these thoughts help you. Obviously, I am a searcher who still doesn’t know where to start (waaaaaaa, boo hoo). And I don’t know what is: “a word that is key” (waaaaaaa, boo hoo). But, who cares, I’m still having fun, and I’m having some wonderful adventures in many beautiful places.

      • QUickly + (next line) tARRY = QUARRY

        This may or may not nest under Joseph, but I’m trying!

        • Joseph Henry of radio history? East? I was avoiding all of the eyes because I felt it unwise. By the way, I checked the “brown” building atop and even had to gently nail a board back into place. Perhaps facility has its own “brown” do not touch building.

    • “Quickly” drove me crazy for months. Was it direction, something first? Now I conclude that quickly is tied with down and both relate to fishing and not to direction or speed. However, I am not sure if quickly is the key word. I am going to guess that “wood” is the key word.

        • Interesting concept. Did not think of it here – I do not think of this poem as death or life but more of peace and enjoyment.

          • Yes I never thought of it as anything other than peaceful. Although at times and places it seemed quite turbulent.

  44. My computer has been down for two days as a result of upgrading to Windows 10. I couldn’t comment or log onto this post. It’s better today.

    Well, we haven’t yet suggest every word in the poem. 🙂
    I marvel at the different reasonings proposed. A key has the sole function of opening something. Most of us still struggle with how to get started, We need a key.

    IMO, the key word is the third word in the poem. “Have”. It is past tense.
    While some continue to jam, “You only need the poem,” down our throats, we still wonder how to select a state. Mr. Fenn clearly told us to, “read the book,” then, “read the poem, over and over and over,” then, “reread the book slowly.” The book is where we will find information about how to, “begin it where warm waters halt.” That’s where the past tense is found,

    Wishing good luck to all! 🙂

    • Welcome to my World. Don’t ya just love change? my system was working just fine with the old one…

      Special, The first sentence is something to truly consider. It could have been, As I had gone or even, As I’ve gone. This IMO is important to the use of Have. But I see it as an indicator and not a key so much. I also see other words through-out the poem as indicators.

      This for me is why the straight reading of the poem has faults. There are many words that work with the poem but at the same time are bended a little, even twisted to make the work. In literature writing the would be grammar destruction, but in a poem it is easily dismissed as poetic writing and why fenn may have choose a poem over placing clues in the book.

      I will make a friendly bet with you [ which we won’t know as true or false till all is said and done ]

      I believe absolutely nothing is needed from the book to solve the poem. Just some common sense. The book hold subtle hint and are known after reading and understands the poem and there for confirmation, to give the reader the right confidence. I see in the poem many many hints the explains how to read the poem, If you know what you’re looking for. Have is one of those… warm and cold, new and old, etc. all are IMO suggestion to be understood as indicator.

      This is why fenn has repeatedly said. READ and re-read and read again and again till he is blue in the face. The problems I had from the start was reading it as directions. attempting to slice and dice every inch and words to find a “clue”… like we all are doing. {{ this is needed at some point to understand the Multiple meanings of words and phrases }} but as an entire whole and not a single line or even sentence. The word have, is understood with there’ll, you’ve, it’s etc. The words warm and cold work together, even thought stanzas apart. past tense and present tense works with different words throughout the poem but not just in grammar.

      IF im correct the poem tells you how to read itself, give an exact start and tells you why you’re starting there. The funny part is … which did blow my mind… we need to see the poem through fenn’s Rainbow. and this is why the first clue is a must know. Not just the location but the significance of it.

      My one and only suggestion is to read the poem with an open mind each time and ask why is this and that words used in this and that spot. Why does the poem give so many different interpretations. Don’t attempt to search for 9 clues till you understand the meaning of the poem. It is very difficult to do, but not impossible IF you can just look away from clues and see the poem.

      Food for thought.

      • Seeker, if that is food, then I would be emaciated.

        I’d rather take the approach given us by Mr. Fenn. If he is blue in the face, it is because of how much he is misquoted.

        The book tells us the history of Forrest going in alone. That is what will narrow down the search for the starting place of the hundreds of wwh.

        It is great we can have and state our own opinions, however, it takes wisdom to listen to someone else’s.

        Just curious, what were you doing in 1966. I had completed my education and was working in the real world of computer change. To which you are welcome.

        • Well, in 66 was just starting 2nd grade. Although I did have a job dragging hay bales with a buddy that summer for a local farmer who paid a nickle a bale to all the kids in the neighborhood. Today that would fall under the child labor act. The best part … I didn’t pay taxes then and got all the penny candy I could fit into a little brown paper bag.

          And you are completely correct… “The book tells us the history of Forrest going in alone.” and it is just that, that the poem is about… where he had gone to. Some times alone, sometime with others, and all his life. All one in the same, but not a single state. The poem doesn’t mention any state.

          If that is your prime objective s to find a state to start, you can flip a coin. 1 in 4 chances of getting that correct. Not really bad odds.

      • Seeker,
        I am like minded. When I first began my chase, I understood f to mean it when he said all you need is the poem and didn’t follow the discussions. Eventually I began reading them again and was surprised to learn of new clues and a map in TFTW that might be a clue. In the end I settled back to reading the poem and maybe I’ll read TTOTC for a second time.

        I may be a bit simpler than most so that is how I will be reading it….for now.

        • Enthusiasm towards finding your treasure continues to remain strong.  So many people are enjoying the wonderful opportunity you have given them for such a bold adventure. Considering the many years the hunt has been going on, and from your perspective and interaction with searchers, do you feel searchers are becoming closer to solving the clues to the treasure, or further away? Do you feel over time, some searchers have forgotten beginning basics or thoughts they once had, and might benefit going back to them?
          There’s a lot brain power being expended on the blogs by some pretty bright people Jenny, and it seems they are having fun. But the great preponderance of searchers don’t comment publically. Very few tell me exactly where they are looking so I don’t know how close they are to the treasure. I’ve said searchers should go back to the poem so many times that I don’t want to say it again here. ff

          I have gone back to the basics when I read the poem and attempt to analyze the poem’s interpretation. Like some i didn’t start with the book but have read it since. What I see in the book is a personality of one and his passions… but No clues… Subtle informative information, Yes. But I see FF repeating this type of statement, everyone should take it as important as it comes from the Author of the poem and the book,

          Some have coined the phrase Poem Purist as a bad thing. Because those folks believe that the poem can not solve itself. There must be outside information. Of course there is, but that information is commonly known by most and not cyphers or bible verses or another language or US history etc… But yet there are some who hate to hear it… even when FF has stated it.

          The problem seems to be, this chase as been 5 years in the making and most people don’t even hang onto other hobbies that long. They have so much time invested in their perfect ideas and brilliant one of a kind solve that the blinders they wear limit there ability to even attempt to see the poem from others angles. This poem is difficult and was meant to be. It’s very difficult and our track record has proven it so… Yet very few actually talk about the “poem”.

          “I’ve said searchers should go back to the poem so many times that I don’t want to say it again here. ff ”

          But yet we still wonder off to measuring a picture of a dog, and argue to death that is a clue. Climb the highest mountain and shout out, the floating hat is a clue. I won’t even mention the folks who claim they solve the poem and yet have nothing to show for it. or those who spend hours every single day on the blogs saying it’s all a fake and in the same breathe tell about last week search.

          And when I read some one say ;

          “I’d rather take the approach given us by Mr. Fenn. If he is blue in the face, it is because of how much he is misquoted.” …and…
          ” The book is where we will find information about how to, “begin it where warm waters halt.”

          I just have to put the quote at there… even knowing it will fall on death ears.

          • Seeker,
            As I shared earlier, I understood f to say that all I needed was the poem to find the chest. I am a simple man and was glad to hear it. If there are hints and clues strewn through scrapbooks, blogs etc. I don’t understand how one can figure which straw to grab?

            Scare Crow,
            Running back to the Poem

          • Dal, you can laugh. It’s an old private joke that came about when I was knee-high to a grasshopper. I could never pronounce Deaf correctly… even throughout my school years, The teacher would hand back my papers with Red Ink corrections.

            But I couldn’t help myself and just spelled it the way I had said it. You should hear how I pronounce Cawffee.

  45. ” In a word is key ”

    For sometime now I have tumbled this around in my mind.
    Considering that the poem is straight forward. The question is how would a key fit the lock on the poem. Would it be a descriptive adjective, or possibly a proper noun?

    Imho it is a proper noun. And there is but one proper noun in the poem.
    Brown! Now before anyone decides to cast this aside think about this.
    Forrest is a writer, as such he is aware of the function of words and their basic meanings. He also likes to play with words. Is it possible that he has taken a proper noun and added a new meaning to it or applied one of his rules to it? Consider butterfly / Flutterby, can you see the rule he applied here?

    Keeping this in mind, why am I so sure Brown id the word that is key?
    Well to me it is a quantifier, it gives validation to the first clues and confirms that one is on the right path. As most are now aware there is hundreds of places where warm waters can halt. Finding the right one requires having the correct HOB.


  46. Consider this, there is no one key word.

    Label them or call them what you will but it is a poem full of clues, each being key to solving the poem.
    This was stated as “a” word not “the” word as if critical or mandatory above all others.

    Obviously, each key word has it’s own inherent meaning but somebody was “FOCUSED” on one of those key words which likely relates to a geographical feature barely seen with Google or a good map.
    Other “key words” indicate other than focus but still are key to solving the poem.
    It’s too bad that Google does not quite focus enough on most land features. Google’s latest enhancements likely do not involve the vicinity where the chest lies. Because of this I suggest an equal focus on all words and/or clues.
    With all that said it really does not change our approach or our focus on the poem.

    …grain of salt

    • The first part of your comment rings true to me LIV42–good insight. I wonder though if the word FF was referring to is a word that is used with a archaic, unusual or colloquial meaning and that unique meaning is what someone is “in tight focus” on. What a great puzzle eh?

      • Interesting comment I respect that, but that kind of intangible focus occurs throughout the poem. contrary to my position stated above, if there is a single word that is key above others then what makes it stand out from the rest?….assuming it should that is….since it is so key to the solve. No… I feel that “focus” is literally trying to discern a geographical feature without being there.
        To each our own.
        A great puzzle indeed.


  47. I don’t understand what you do with a keyword if there is no code or cipher to apply it to. Is it a word in the poem that references to something else in the poem, or to something physically on the trail?

    In ‘tight focus’ means a small aperture, opening, or hole. It’s possibly a reference to a pin-point opening or spot. It could also mean long parallel beams of light and a short exposure time … which sounds to me ff is telling us to look down a well at high noon… so, if I selected a keyword, it would be: well.

    A KEY is also an island… like Key West. A small spot in a big sea.

    • Key West, Florida. My mind takes me back in time to this wonderful place where my sun kissed skin glowed! (Not half as much as my heart did, tho!)

      Another story, lol

      BTW….speaking of Florida – There exists another “Madison”….a County in the very small town of Greenville.

      Could be interesting?


  48. Remember the poem?… ” Not to far but to far to walk” ? How about the prolog to his book TFTW. In the prolog he tells you about his 3 day trip in Yellowstone and how today “It’s just to far to walk”. He specifically tells you that it’s in Yellowstone between Madison Junction and Bakers Hole Campground. He has stated it is not buried, it is not in a cave and it will be cold trying to get to it… “it will be worth the cold”. If it’s 90 degrees hot outside the only reason you would be cold is if you have to walk through the water. HOWEVER the KEY word narrows things a lot. Without it you could spend the next three years searching. You have to be “wise” when reading the poem. Read it over and over and over and over and over. It, the KEY word might eventually dawn on you like it did me. However it still only narrows the search area. It’s still A LOT of land to cover. Also remember FF stated “it’s not on top of a mountain but it might be close”. You have to cross the water and go up. Remember also every year on the way back to Texas his father drove 1/2 mile into the woods to hide their camping equipment and it was there when they returned every year. From where FF parked you have to walk 1/2 mile to get to the spot. It’s the only reason to quote something from ramblings and rumblings. That should make it easier for a lot of people BUT don’t count on finding it anytime soon without the KEY word. I will be back there for 2 weeks next year. Good luck and be safe everyone.

    • Chris,

      I like what you’re saying, but I can’t distinguish between what FF actually said and what you’re speculating. For example: You have to cross the water and go up. Did FF state that? And FF’s parking spot being 1/2 mile from the hidey spot. Is that a guess?

      There’s so much room for interpretation and misinterpretation.

      • Exact quotes from FF are in quotations otherwise they are my words. FF stated in his book Ramblings and Rumblings that his father would drive about 1/2 mile into the woods to hide their camping equipment. FF also stated after parking his car he took two trips to hide the chest and it took him all afternoon. So if we connect the two he would have walked 2 miles that day. At 80 years old carrying 20 pounds average each trip “All afternoon” sounds reasonable. Also FF stated ” it is not on top of a mountain but it might be close” Thats HIS words not mine. He also stated in the poem ” it will be worth the cold” Well by my thinking if your cold on a 90 degree day its probably because you are in the water. So he parked his car walked through the water climbed up a hill almost to the top of a mountain and deposited the chest walked back to his car grabbed the treasure walked back through the water up the hill to the chest depositing the treasure then back down to his car. Now where did he park? I know but I wont tell. FF did though. He told everyone where he parked. It isn’t a secret. Good luck and God bless

          • As I have gone alone in there
            And with my treasures bold,
            I can keep my secret where,
            And hint of riches new and old.

            Begin it where warm waters halt
            And take it in the canyon down,
            Not far, but too far to walk.
            Put in below the home of Brown.

            The key word is in this part of the poem.

          • Thanks Chris. I have my own working version of the key from elsewhere in the poem. Happy hunting! 🙂

  49. I think what he means is that only a few people have shown that they understand what he means by the word or what the purpose of the word is within the context of the poem.

    • I’m leaning that way too, WindyCity. Now what word or meaning was he referring to….Those darn prepostitions, let me try again. Now what word or meaning was he referring to, Windy? My top three are: blaze, brown, and halt. Care to share your pick or picks?

  50. howdy folks! hunch here, hey what if ol man Fenn is tryin to say that theres a picture with a few people in it and theres a word in that picture. like on a wall or a sign. get it? only a few people are in the picture with the word that is key. any photo in either book that has more than two people in it, and a word.

    or not. hunch out.

    • good morning searchers! hunch here, so im lookin at the photo of the main street cowboys in TTOTC. thats one that has only a few in tight focus. or maybe loose focus, its kind of blurry. and the word that is key is Skippy. and Skippy must be the blaze too because he burnt himself up with fireworks. and in another pfoto skippy is next to a rock. so, im lookin for a skippy next to a rock in yellowstone.
      or maybe the key word is bobby. we know about the other main street cowboys in the photo but bobby is a mystery. whatever happened to bobby? maybe he grew up to be a fireman. finding blazes.
      maybe not.

  51. We found a collection of red flagstone arranged in a circle with taller pieces sticking up vertically in the area I mentioned earlier. We wanted to believe it was a blaze like a campfire. I quickly scattered it upon leaving the site just in case ;). Any thoughts on this one?

    • Yeah, if it wasn’t yours, why did you destroy it? Could have been a scout blaze or something else. Post a photo & discuss.

  52. Recently I tried to describe why “imagination is more Important than KNOWLEDGE(knowlege)” Only a few people were listing, so hear me all,:

    If ff started his book with “Life deals you 4 cards and a joker”

    Who would you say is the joker? Who is the coyote (native americans)?

    His family had 5 members, 4 were cards, and they have all been played in this life, so ff is the joker..the wild card, as is someone who lived at “no place for the meek”.

    The joker is like a Simon Says marker, when ff makes an obvious slip up like stating “Alexander Hamilton was on the $100 dollar bill”. When Franklin is actually on it, why did he do it? See Chapter 45 TFTW. It was no Freudian Slip.

    When I look at all the words in the poem and try to use my imagination, the one with the most meanings is almost certainly “BLAZE” the one with the simplest or least meanings is CANYON (Obviously all canyons go down).

    So the key, if it were in the Poem is a word used to narrow the meaning of “BLAZE” and “if” you are WISE and found the Blaze, wise is the key to understanding which of the myriad of meanings for Blaze we should focus on.

    Simply put, why must you be wise?

    My best guess is a wise person (Knowleg- able) needs to find a trail, that trail should be followed (put in) (look quickly) (short distance) (say 500″) down that trail it does not make me think you would have to be WISE to see many of the Blazes people throw out here as the “it, here it is; the blaze”. It would be obvious, takes no intelligence, being wise is required, not lucky to see a spot, an image on a rock face, or many other guesses we see here.

    So what in BLAZES did Tom T just say? Let one of knowlege answer me.

    Tom T

    • Let one of knowlege answer me.

      OK Tom, obviously you are asking me. 🙂 Life is like a game of poker is a metaphorical statement meaning we are not in control of everything. Fenn is simply describing his life and telling us we never know what is going to happen. A guy with all the cards against him can still win. Some kid from Podunk Texas and no formal education can become a decorated fighter pilot and world renowned millionaire art dealer schmoozing with dignitaries and movie stars. Then at the pinnacle of his success gets cancer. But against the odds he beats cancer…….You just never know. That’s all it means in my opinion.

      You asked; “Who is the coyote”. That’s easy, Dal met the coyote.

      The wise person ignores all the rabbit holes and pitfalls that an over active imagination and desperation presents to a person when trying to solve a difficult problem. Just my opinion.

      • Good point, Goofy. and Halogetter your logic is making everyone take notice.

        Tom T

      • Agree, I went to Berkeley and know what can and can’t be. We never played poker, never had to. So I ask you what’s a joker if nothing more than an extra card with no match?

        • Straw, the joker is the unknown; the uncontrollable. The joker is the wild card and can be anything you want, or need, it to be.

          Some call the joker fate, karma, providence, destiny, chance, or just plain old dumb luck. Winning the lottery then getting run over by a bus on the way to cash the ticket…..that’s the joker.

          The joker is what makes life worth living. You just never know what is going to happen.

          • Goofy – well said about the Joker, but don’t count out the Ace of Hearts to change everything. She’s the second highest card in the Irish game Five Cards.

  53. Im officially out and like numerous others on Dal’s blog believe I have a million dollar solution.

    NOTE: if you are an editor or movie producer looking for a million dollar solution with 2 years of intelligent research including maps within the poem and coordinates, email me: 4242 l e v e l @ g m a i

    You’ll not be disappointed. (I’m not interested in any chase related documentaries)

    Here are my comments in response to the latest question on Mystetious Writings:

    Ask yourself the right questions, not the obvious ones. Look closely at obscure meanings.

    1.Why was a “Stool” an apt ‘prop’? Keep in mind f’s numerous references to brown as forms of stool related to human bottoms.

    Why did FF use those words? Is he simply referring to “tools” used to display “loot” [backwards] or is there a muck deeper association with stool? His word choices and letter choices reveal everything in his poem.

    2. Why a chest sitting on a stool? – perhaps a landform? m=chest or twin buttes sitting atop a river bottom. Why wooden planks and nails which resemble a coffin or pirates plank? Maybe the chest simply sits below a wooden plank or pile of wood – but I personally doubt Forrest spent 10-15 years constructing his poem if it’s that simple.

    3. Why did FF select the name Agnes?
    common meaning of Agnes is lamb, innocent.
    How about ‘no place for the meek’ or page 109 TTOTC Chapter title “Teachers with ropes” Deconstruct the words as Forrest constructed them.
    Tea = at E; Cher=dearly beloved boy = UUits8Eternity
    Perhaps Forrest’s secret he dares all to discover is a dearly beloved boy resting in peace at the treasured “chest” or twin buttes location at E (middle E frequency).

    • I think you’re on to something here… I was trying to figure out if this is some sort of memorial adventure dedicated to an old loved one who enjoyed exploring the creek and hunting for treasure like old arrowheads.

    • Yes, I believe they are closely related to the “Why” of the chase. From there I could return to the location of the Western President with whom I’m already familiar via our accidental meeting, but I think you have something in mind for me at the (new) location of the Eastern President. Any advice, as I’m several states away? I’m very much interested in taking a trip to Carl’s place–or is it just way too cold, even this time of year?

  54. @23K was it you who posted about the stepfather doing spook work? Was your stepfather a AFSC 204? Just wondering!

  55. I have considered the concept of “key word”. One I offer for your consideration is the word ” confidence”, as in ” moved with confidence”.
    Confidence = Fenn Codice.

    • I like that idea 🙂

      Can’t claim I currently have any ideas of how to apply it, but I like it.

      Good thinking zeldasings 🙂

      btw. Does Zelda ever sing? Thought she spent most of her time alseep? 😛

        • “Some searchers overrate the complexity of the search. Knowing about head pressures, foot pounds, acre feet, bible verses, Latin, cubic inches, icons, fonts, charts, graphs, formulas, curved lines, magnetic variation,… CODES…, depth meters, riddles, drones or …CIPHERS”’, will not assist anyone to the treasure location, although those things have been offered as positive solutions. Excellent research materials are TTOTC, Google Earth, and/or a good map.f” 

        • @zeldasings, yes, there is a word that is key to enlightenment and unlocking Fenn’s secret. Once understood, everything he has said and written is clear. #GoodLuck #WillItBeYouOrMe #September9

          • “Enlightenment” I like that word.

            It’s better than my word “explains” for the “word that is key.”

  56. First, I think it’s a mistake to be talking here about a “key word”. Forrest never said that. He said “…a word that is key.”

    It’s interesting to see all of this stabbing at a key word, both inside and outside of the poem, but mostly inside it. So if it’s a word that is key, how is it a key to your solution, or unlocking your solution? If your word that is key is beyond the first few clues, or outside the poem, where does that leave your solution?

    For a word that is key, the very nature of the definition of key is that it is both critical and must occur near the beginning. Do you think a key word is going to occur during the third or fourth clue? You need a key to get in the house- that comes before you can do anything in the house. You need a key to start a car- again before you do anything else. You need a key to a chest before you can open it. The key comes first. A key to almost any problem solving occurs early in the process- it’s a key to the solution.

    Do you think Forrest was talking about a word that is key to the fifth or some other clue?

    So if there is a word that is key in relationship to the solution of the poem, I believe it’s extremely logical to assume that it must come at the very beginning. A key to the solution, and it all follows or falls from there. If you don’t have the correct solution to the first clue, as Forrest has said many times in many ways, what follows will be in the wrong direction. If you likewise have the wrong key at the beginning, you haven’t opened anything up, you haven’t begun on the right path, with the correct solution.

    I believe that Forrest is telling the answer to a word that is key with his statement “…few in tight focus with a word that is key”, and the word that is key is not specifically evident in the poem as a specific word.

    I think what he is again telling you is that you need the correct starting point. The solution to the first clue is key to the remainder of the poem. A word that is key is critical to a basic understanding that you need to solve the first clue.

    If you know the correct solution to the first clue, I think you will know the word that is key. But the word that is key is happily confirmed only by the person with the correct solutions to all of the clues and has set eyes upon the chest.


    • I wish I said what you just said in my earlier post of what I said.

      With that said… I’ll say I agree with what your saying.

    • Halo, I concur…it is crucial to start at the beginning(keeping in mind a word that is key) and move on from there. Very logical and very specific. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

    • The word that is key is here. Like you stated very early in the poem.

      As I have gone alone in there
      And with my treasures bold,
      I can keep my secret where,
      And hint of riches new and old.

      Begin it where warm waters halt
      And take it in the canyon down,
      Not far, but too far to walk.
      Put in below the home of Brown.

    • Hal,
      I agree.
      But, I have to wonder how did someone get the first two clues correct and not have the solution or key? Just a lucky guess?
      I also have to wonder how did they have the first two clues correct and then go right by the other seven.
      And while I’m at it, I also have to thank Seeker.
      I’ve had the poem memorized for about four years now. I believe that was a possible mistake to do so.
      I went back and slowly read the poem over and over again . And it wasn’t until the second day that I discovered something that I had not seen before.
      It’s there right in front of our faces. But you cannot find it until you keep going over the poem. And I believe it puts you on the right path to the solution.
      I don’t comment unless I feel that I can add to the conversation, but I do appreciate everyone’s thought.s and believe that nothing can be ruled out unless FF says so.


      • I agree , Kanafire. It’s all in the poem. Read each line slowly and stop and think.
        It gives you a key to what STATE it is hidden and how it is hidden.
        As for that SPECIAL place, you will need a good map and an idea of where to start. 🙂

          • Onuat,
            I had a hard time typing your name. Spell check!
            I think everything said here should automatically be IMHO. After all unless you have the chest or FF says different it’s all opinions. Thanks for reply!

      • Kanafire,

        You said; “I have to wonder how did someone get the first two clues correct and not have the solution or key? Just a lucky guess?”

        IMO… I don’t believe those folks had or understood the word that is key or well, anything really. It may have just been a lucky guess or they just did realize.

        FF stated something to the effect; they told him where they have been… and they may not have known they got the first two clues. because they went passed the other seven clues.

        So in reality, did those searcher know the first two clues? imo highly unlikely. Something brought them to where they were, Yes. But if they had knowledge of the actual clues… the First clue, which seems to be the enigma of all the clues… Again imo, they would not have walked pass the others.

        Fenn has hinted in so many comments the first clues is a must, if you don’t have that one nailed down stay home and play canasta… Need to know where to start… etc.

        IMO… and Only mine. The poem must not only tell you where the chest lays in wait, but tells you how to read it. Has Halogetter stated; a key words and word that is key or not the same. I’ll agree to that and add, one unlock and the other explains.

        I do appreciate the Thanks… but… I’m just repeating what the Author of the poem has told us time and time and time again.

        IMO the poem is difficult, Very difficult, extremely. And straightforwards at the same time. Not in easy, but in honesty.

    • I’m surprised that more folks haven’t mentioned “halt” as the specific word of interest. IMO it has been generally miss-interpreted to mean the same as “stop” by most people. While this is one possible definition, I suspect it is not the exact meaning that F intended. In light of the fact that it really doesn’t rhyme with “walk” and that F has told us that the word choices were very intentional makes it even more suspect….and it is located in the first clue….IMO. Probably why he keeps saying to go back to the first clue. A misstep there will send you way off the mark down range.

      • Colorkid,

        I agree with almost everything you said. Halt, lack of rhyme, because it draws attention to it. Using just a single meaning of it…etc.

        Buuut, I’m not with you, “and it is located in the first clue” IMO… that is just yours and a lot of others opinion. No where has Fenn said this or for that matter anything, is the first clue.

        You picked up on why others dismiss halt as other possibilities. I’ll do the same… there are five words at the start of that sentences and yes I know one is begin. But to repeat what fenn has stated. Not all the words in the poem will lead to the chest [ paraphrasing ] But it would be unwise to discount them.

        That is food for thought in my book.

        • Good on Colokid and Seeker – a couple of thinkers out here today. From the outset I’ve always wondered: “Why didn’t he use the word ‘balk’?”

          • That is excellent spoon. The first think to come to mind is baseball but it does work as it is the “motion” of the pitcher. it also rhymes. But maybe because it is an “Illegal motion” halt works better for the poem.

            Can you imagine the thoughts of some searchers… Hey fenn means don’t worry about the law… lets dig up all the graveyards!

            But that is exactly the type of thinking i believe is needed. IMO.

          • seeker i am very tried and ill at my tummy so i could have miss read you meaning to spoon were using that as example or are you saying go dig up graves?

          • Thanks, Seeker, but no, I believe there is more to it than that. FF is a master of the English language. I recommend a quick study of the dictionary.

          • Spoon i would second the study of the dictionary but not a quick one. the word cold has some 50 meanings and usages.
            I have always been an advocate of Multiple Meanings.

            That is one reason reason i believe using a single meaning of a word or trying to use one meaning is a wrong approach.

            But that is just me.

        • Agreed that WWWH being the first clue is just my opinion buuuut….it does have a lot going for it in that department and it reads like a clue. To me, not all lines in the poem “read” like a clue….they could just as easily be descriptive filler.

          “There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. ”

          This is often recited out of context. The rest of it is: “You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f”

          I think he is admonishing the questioner to not take shortcuts because if we take that statement by itself (literally at face value) it could mean that all words must be used in the solution. IMO, for that to be true we are thrown back into the realm of the code talkers where each letter in each word must be decoded. I don’t buy that.

          But you’re right…1st clue is a judgement call.

          • I’m glad you went and found the quote, I’m tired and weak from doing it so much. lol

            And yes your correct about part of the context. I believe that just like the comment of over complicating the poem by using methods such as codes and bible verses etc. and over simplify the clues, such as can we just tell someone meet me at warm waters halt, is saying in part … re-read the poem. don’t under estimate the words and don’t over look the words by looking at other things.

            At least that is my perspective, as fenn is talking about the poem. The only time he mentions the book is for references. the subtle hints clues and IF you know what your looking for. That says to me you should have a good idea of the poem just to see those hint/clue.

            I won’t debate a clue or hint. Those are enigmas not unlike buried vs hidden. I’m staying on neutral ground with both. Just call me Switzerland.

  57. The word that is key leads us to the question we are all asking ourselves. Where does FF keep his secret? Can anyone answer that question?

  58. FF tells us in the poem “I can keep my secret “WHERE””. Ok Now we know where he keeps it. He keeps it “WHERE”. But where is “WHERE”? Doesn’t he tell us to “Begin it “WHERE” the warm waters halt”? Well then now we know where “WHERE ” is. “WHERE” is where the warm waters (plural) halt. In other words his “secret” is at the beginning. Now the challenge is to find the Blaze at the beginning where the warm waters halt.

  59. Now where are the “warm waters” that FF speaks of? Lets go to his second book To Far To Walk. In the preface he tells us about a fishing trip he took in Yellowstone. Ten river miles he walked over three days. Of the trip he said..
    ” The river experience cemented my connection to that special country and I promised myself that someday I would make the trip again. That day never came for me, and my disappointment still casts a lonesome shadow across the Madison River. For me now, it’s just to far to walk”

    What did he say in the poem? ” Not to far but too far to walk”? So if we assume that this is a clue that he has hid his “secret” in Yellowstone then where do the warm waters halt? Well for me just before you head into the canyon is the Madison Junction. Where the Firehole river ends. The Firehole river being composed of multiple sources of hot water bubbling up from underground. Hence “warm waters” Plural. Now the question is where is the Blaze?

    • Maybe better yet is WHAT is the blaze. If I knew that I would have the treasure now. What I have written above is my opinion folks. Dont get hurt following my ideas folks. Stay safe and God Bless.

  60. ” If you’ve been wise and found the blaze” “wise” is key i think. Does it refer to an owl? I do firmly believe though that you have to cross the Madison river to get to the Blaze. Most of us are searching in the summer time but FF states ” it will be worth the cold” I see no other way to be cold in the summertime except by having to cross the Madison to get to the blaze. So if we cross the Madison at Madison Junction ( where the warm waters halt) where do we go from there? Remember FF’s statement ” it’s not on top of a mountain but it might be close” So if I am correct the person that finds it will have to go up the Canyon wall. Remember what FF said though about a child could go there safely. So there is no mountain climbing necessary folks. But still there are the questions WHAT and WHERE are the blaze.

  61. Sorry folks I glossed right over “the word that is key” . For me it is “WHERE”.

  62. Key word “treasures” isn’t that what we’re here for? and 9 letter word nine clues…

    • Changed my mind on key word if it is any word it is the one that is more than 9…

  63. My Key Word is AS, first word in poem also is the “symbol” for Arsenic as in the Big and Little Arsenic trails north of Santa Fe.

  64. All,

    My keyword is “in” as in:

    “As I have gone alone in there”

    “And take it in the canyon down”


  65. Just for laughs and research, here is a word to focus on, try warm.

    I know that few people focus on this and I have stated it before, my reasoning for WWWHalt is a simple one:

    EACH of the clues, as you solve them, as stated ff will move you closer to the treasure chest. ie We move from the most general to the very specific area, imagine completely surrounding the Rocky Mountains with the correct answer to this, perhaps his first clue which may in geographic terms be “where warm waters halt”, which is all around the mountains in the 4 states left in the search area. Remember it is not HOT WATERS.

    ff has stated that there are many places www halt North of Santa Fe, and he freely admits to being a fishing guide in his younger years (with his father) and has been an avid fisherman all his life. He has memorized each state’s Fishing Regulations from the 1930’s on. In the New Mexico fishing proclamation for many years it has stated the various places on each river, stream, creek and lake EXACTLY where warm waters halt and cold water regulations begin. Exactly like that.

    I realize that many treasure hunters have never read the various state regs on www halt and do not get what I am saying, no frame of reference for his constructing those exact words exists anywhere else that I know of.

    New Mexico reg;


    Montana reg:

    Wyo reg:

    Colorado reg:

    Tom T

  66. Forrest has mentioned that the keyword is important and concordant with the path followed by the closest searchers to the starting clue. 9 miles north of Santa Fe is a small road called Pacheco Canyon Rd. that runs by an old native american gathering spot yet is not of native lands. It’s of altitude. One can walk through the fenced fire road down the “Canyon” road to a small creek and a waterfall. The stretch of the creek when viewed on google earth is 505 feet to the edge of the waterfall. I emailed Forrest in December a couple of years ago telling him about us taking Canyon as a literal clue and this road happened to fit the context. It’s in this creek! I’m ready to split this treasure already!

  67. Yesterday I made a somewhat long-winded post about the many words in the poem that I *don’t* believe are “key,” giving some pretty solid reasoning as to why. It took close to an hour to compose it, and I felt like it had a fair amount of good information. Since I’ve never had a problem with any of the (admittedly) small number of posts I’ve made here previously, I didn’t bother to make a local copy of it. Alas, that post apparently disappeared into to the great Byte Bucket in the Sky. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I might entertain the amusing notion that my post was redacted for being a tad too revealing, which in some sense would be rather encouraging. 😉 But I suspect the reality is more mundane: websites aren’t perfect.

    I’ll see how this message fares. If all goes well, I will try to reconstruct the original message tomorrow.

    • Hind sight is 20/20 so I always, always do a right click highlight /copy and paste into Word just before I send.

      Tom T

      • As I explained to Dal offline, I suspect the cause was that I spent too long composing the message (with a 20-minute break of inactivity in the middle) so I might have timed-out in the interim. Usually I cut & paste long posts prior to hitting send (for just this reason) but forgot to do so on this occasion. Not a big deal — later today I’ll repost an improved version.

  68. I would love to see your original message. Must have missed it yesterday.


  69. Forrest seems to be a straight-shooter, so I think we can take him at his word (no pun intended) that amongst the 166 words in his poem, one of them is particularly important. But which one? Forrest has endlessly cautioned that if we don’t find the proper starting point, we are wasting our time. He has also stated that the nine clues appear in order. The most obvious explanation for why a single word would be key is if it provided a clue about the start point – a primer if you will. While I suppose such a primer word could appear anywhere in the poem, Forrest writes in a reasonably linear fashion, suggesting that this key would precede most if not all of the clues. That would put it somewhere in the first two stanzas.

    Now many think that “Brown” is an obvious choice since it’s the only proper name in the poem. But I think many would agree that by the time you get to “home of Brown,” you are well past the first several clues. So we’d be putting the cart before the horse if we keyed-in on Brown prematurely. Might as well be playing Canasta. So let’s back up to the beginning.

    Initially I thought the whole first stanza was worded a bit oddly, starting with the very first word “As.” “As” usually indicates two simultaneous activities are about to be described, e.g. “As I hid the treasure, I laughed out loud.” But in this case Forrest is using “As” to mean “Since” or “Because”: Since I went in there alone to hide the treasure, I can keep secret where I hid it. Sort of a reference back to his book where he says two people can keep a secret … if one of them is dead.

    The next curiosity of the first stanza, which many others have noted, is the phrase “in there.” It’s understandable why many people were thinking mines or caves or out buildings. He didn’t write “As I have gone alone out there”; he chose “in there.” Still, this could be barking up the wrong tree – “in there” could simply mean “in the wood” (which would be supported by the second-to-last line of the poem).

    That brings us to “And.” This word appears in every stanza at least once, and 11 times overall. And yet in some instances (like the first, in line 2), it serves no apparent purpose. Would the meaning of the first stanza change at all if that first “And” was removed? The only way it does is if he went “in there” twice: once alone, and once with his “treasures bold.” Perhaps that’s exactly what he’s saying, based on question and answer exchanges: he went in there once without the treasure (perhaps with the chest alone?) and then again with it. But that doesn’t really help us with where. About the only other explanation I could think of for all the ands was that each one was a location marker within the poem, either to draw attention to the line or a nearby word. But this seems rather out of character for Forrest.

    The final line of the first stanza doesn’t really raise much suspicion: we know the chest contains riches and that his poem intends to hint of them. The “new and old” final words also seem innocuous: some of the riches (including the chest itself) are indeed quite old, while others are more contemporary. The bottom line is that there doesn’t seem to be much to latch onto in that first stanza.

    So I favor the second stanza for the location of the word that is key. Aside from “home of Brown,” is there anything here that’s suspicious or unique? Warm waters can be found all over New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming and Montana, so that’s not too helpful. There are also canyons that one can take “down” in every state, most of them “too far to walk.” “Put in” is a common phrase for embarkation, whether rafting, spelunking, canoeing, or other activities, so it lacks real specificity. If I had to pick a word that’s special in that stanza, I’d go with “halt.” Halt has several meanings, and when following the phrase “where warm waters,” it turns a broad category of inherently two-dimensional bodies into a much more focused list of one-dimensional points. The other reason to focus on this word is that it is the only line-ending word in the poem that doesn’t rhyme with its pair (halt/walk).

    Overall, I get the feeling that the poem may tell you exactly where you need to go – but it doesn’t necessarily do so uniquely. When Forrest says there are no short cuts, he may be saying that you need to use the clues to whittle down the possible locations, but whatever you’re left with will require boots on the ground to eliminate the remaining candidates.

    • This is what the whole poem is telling you. From the beginning to the end there may be many key words, but there is where it is. If we knew this we would in time find the treasure. It may take a few hundred life times but we would find it if we did not give up.

      So I believe your right that halt is a word that must be discovered before the rest. It is the beginning to the end. Blaze is just as important without it there is no resolve to the solution one must take. Brave is what we must be why? and How? Cold and wood for (There and cold and wood) is where the treasure is. Man this thing can riddle your brain apart at the seams.

      Two thoughts come to mind There and wood. If there is the wood and I am brave to go in there alone Then I can have the Treasure. I feel like I need to grow up and be adventurous I am you know But to a point where there is Freedom. You can get tanked for taking a rock in some places what has this world became. I love rocks I politely dropped a few when a park official spoke those words to me. Really wow”

      To start one must be sure where the starting point is. Which I feel is impossible to be sure unless you hid it, There a vast amounts of starting points in the Rocky mountains. So it is a guessing game to be correct but it is fun chasing ones tail. I know because that is what I have been doing.

      We can see the pieces and put them together even if they are not the right fit. ouch did I admit that. I think I know but I’m not sure just yet. I wish there was a close and far button I could push. Maybe in this life time or next if I have a next.

      Oh well better use this one wisely just in case. Have fun, my brain is still brown and turning like a dryer on high heat. I have even asked the question do warm waters halt on my PC, is there a website I’m looking for. I found that and what a spin on ones mind you can travel on that site. WWW

      It reminds me of that old saying. Oh what tangled webs we weave when we practice to deceive.

      Good luck out there. I need to fund up to go again but be rest assured I will find a way to travel soon unless I hear you found it. That would be good too. I do hope its visa versa, I love Colorado. J B

    • zaphod73491, you have ZAPPED the poem with perhaps the best description of its architectural design, shown light on the foundation that ff built. I commend you and Kudos!

      Many of his clues seem to have dual meanings and when you stated; The “new and old” final words also seem innocuous: some of the riches (including the chest itself) are indeed quite old, while others are more contemporary. The bottom line is that there doesn’t seem to be much to latch onto in that first stanza.”

      My take on “new and old” could easily have a dual meaning, especially since words appear as new and old, I mean, old words which are seldom used today, i.e, The end is ever drawing nigh; so that expression also has a secret meaning that we as searchers/solvers have yet to understand fully, after the chest is located these “old words” I feel sure will take on “new understanding/meaning/importance.

    • zaphod,

      That was an interesting read and perspective. It shows that, someone has taken the time to analyze the poem.

      There is one thing i would like to ask though. Why just let New and old go as just old to contemporary? It is just that, I agree. But you made the comment Line support other lines in the poem and i totally agree as well. Is there not support for new and old other than old artifacts and contemporary coins?

      Let me explain this way. new and old. warm and cold, end and halt, not far but too far, I have gone and i must go, gone and leave… just to name a few. What is it about so many words and phrase sprinkled throughout the poem that are opposite. Even the poem itself jumps from past to present tense.

      Your explanation of AS actually falls in the same line of thinking.
      Now when you add Hint of riches to new and old, does that change to context? is the riches as you say. new and old old to contemporary – opposites. And could Hint also refer to new and old as an actual hint as well, being opposite.

      This is what surprises me, that most read the poem having the first clue in stanza 2. I like your analogy of halt and i would add there may be dual meaning to it and not just in definition, but in support of another line. Not unlike your example above In there and in the wood. Lines, words and sentences support… that was an interesting catch as it doesn’t remove consecutive order, it just places understanding.

      Nice write up. thought provoking to say the least.

      • Thanks for the thoughtful reply, Seeker! On second (more like hundredth?) reading, you have a point about “new and old.” With so many antonym pairs in the poem, it would be “unwise” to prematurely dismiss “new and old” as simply referring to the chest and its contents. When I read the poem the very first time, the thought that jumped into my head about new vs. old was “New” Mexico vs. (Old) Mexico. But I soon soured on this idea, or indeed that New Mexico was the correct state. Obviously I can’t eliminate it, but it’s at the bottom of my list of the four candidate states. Can’t say I’ve come up with any other gems as far as alternative interpretations of “new and old.”

  70. I have a few words on the top of my list as to what, “the word that is key” is.

    The first is where. The first where in the poem seemed to me to be somewhat out of place. Maybe I’m reading it the wrong way, but “I can keep my secret where And hint of riches new and old” sounds wrong in my mind. Couple this with the fact that “where” is placed in what is clearly a clue.

    My second word is halt. No good reason why I am suspicious of it other than the fact that it doesn’t directly rhyme with walk. I’ve been looking at alternate meanings of it and historical uses of it.

    My third word is cold. I’m not sure if this is the “word that is key” but I think I have an idea what f meant when he used this word. I haven’t seen any discussion or theories on this blog that are close to what I think “cold” means but I haven’t read every single thread either. Also, I found a passage in TTOTC that may give an indirect hint as to what “cold” really means, that I haven’t heard any discussion about.

    Good luck hunting all. Take care.


    • to anyone hubby and i now have 7 days till we leave for our search area. i am climbing the walls till our date to leave. we have packing to do, food to get ready, things to copy and put in folders. bills to pay, errands to do( i still need jeans) so does Coty LOl i feel time is flipping by so fast and then on the other foot i feel i am frozen in time with time moving backwards. get some more sunglasses and just got my new glasses part is part of the problem new glasses make me sea sick.

        • Hi Tommy Voltaire
          Hubby and I decide to work out our problem with the help of God’s grace. God is amazing when you believe. We based our search on the Fenn’s original plan to die with TC.
          Our search is based on him having full blown cancer so not far but too far to walk becomes a short drive from Santa Fe to his hiding place. Remember he left from somewhere then in one afternoon he drove to the hiding place with the TC.
          He hiked in carrying half of TC and then back out to his car.
          Then back in carrying the other second half of TC
          Then back to his car and his sandwich. All in one afternoon.
          We think, like everyone else, we have it right. But it’s all in God’s hands if he doesn’t want us to find it we will not find the TC but will have fun trying. We don’t believe our faith will help us find the TC over someone else just because we have faith. We believe because of our faith, prayers etc we have the right solve but that said a higher power may have other plans for us. We will be happy either way. We think we will have fun trying to find the TC.
          If we don’t life goes on.

          • Sounds good. I haven’t looked into NM much. I hope your search is fun. I’ve been physically looking in Browns Canyon, CO a few times but there is a place in Wyoming I hope to check out in 3 or 4 weeks. I know that many folks have searched this place in WY but I’m just hoping they haven’t looked precisely where I think it is hidden. Cheers!

      • Have fun. I leave for my nm spot in about a week as well. Sorry about your new glasses – progressive lenses? They tend to make people sea sick at first. I think you said you would be in Red River. If so, check out the donut shop – called the Hole Thing.

        • thanks Kathryn. the eye glasses are not progressive. i cant wear the no-line glasses because they affect my side vision. seasickness is better and so is the headache. Dave want to stay in Red River because it where his parents use to vacation. it is amazingly small and we think grandson will get a kick out of it.

    • Raphael-
      Forrest already told us that the chest is unlocked and the key is inside. He did’t want anyone to have to break it open. I believe this information also tells us that the chest is not in any moving water where there would be a likely opportunity for it to be tipped over and it’s contents spilled.

  71. 🙂

    A Word that is Key,

    “Secret” is a word.

    “Secret” can be a Key.
    Y is it a Key, because the chest has been put at a secret location,
    TTOTC page 129 line #14
    TTOTC page 131 line #10
    TTOTC page 132 line #5, line #3 poem only
    TTOTC page 124 Photo Caption

    A Key unlocks / opens a lock & a Key is used to lock / closes a lock , in other words a lock & Key go together / work together.

    A Lock can be picked to unlock / open a lock, this can be done without the use of the Key, but is harder to do.

    A Key can be Essential because a Lock is involved.

    A Lock & Loch sound the same to the ear, Match.

    A Lock can have a Strike Plate.

    A WORD that is KEY,
    “SECRET” is a WORD.
    Thus, “SECRET” can be a KEY.

    The CLUES are LOCKED… TTOTC dust jacket inner front fold.
    The CHEST is at a Secret Location…pages 129 & 131…still out there per ff’s site.
    The CLUES are in the Poem & in the Book per TTOTC pages 132 & 133.

    A KEY,
    is Essential
    is Used
    is Necessary

    Secret is Essential, as it is to where the chest is located…where
    Secret is Used, a word used within the poem & the book…coin cedent
    Secret is Necessary, as it connects the Key to the Lock…Clue wise.

    The chest is at a Location, a location has a name or number.

    ff’s comment that the chest can be found with the 1st two / TOO [tftw] clues [place 200′] if someone is lucky, but it will not be easy…this is an example of picking the lock…in other words not having a complete solve & finding the chest.

    Page 124 Photo Caption,
    85% time, Straight Forward meaning is real treasure location
    14% time, Mistake that is not an error is [Photoshop purpose] draw your attention to “HOLE”, meaning chest at some secret fishing hole
    1 % time, an accident & is meaningless clue wise

    🙂 The GOLF C & CS
    🙂 whisper “HOLE”… GOLF / Scottish… LOCK LEVEN
    🙂 whisper “HOLE” fishing named locations
    🙂 chest at a Secret Unknown Named Location
    🙂 Average Joe brown put in directions to a fishy X spot
    🙂 to far TOO walk, madison river Canyon 10 Miles bakers Hole campground
    🙂 CHASE, Dictionary definition “Br.” British :
    🙂 a Private Game Reserve, page 124 fish photo ff game/fish reserve
    🙂 seems like a nice place for Bones to rest onshore at a favorite top secret fishing X spot…CSInvestigator
    🙂 “where warm waters halt” Yellowstone has over 50% 10,000+ locations of the total in the world
    🙂 generic way to say go to the Yellowstone AREA….
    🙂 Required In My Opinion disclaimer for all posts

    🙂 Match, Strike, Spark, Blaze, Fire, Light

    • A word that is key. Not a word that is A key. So IMO “key” would mean:
      1) the word Key itself
      2) An important word
      3) a homonym Chi:
      (Posted this in the odds and ends discussion too) Chi is a homonym of key and is the letter X in Greek and is a noun (word?) and also has the following definition:

      “the vital life force in the body supposedly regulated by acupuncture.”

      • Yes, not a key word, I think you are on the right track.
        I wouldn’t pronounce either of your examples in 3) the same way I would “key” but “ch’ee” (Qi) and “kahy” as in the start of kayak. “Qui?” on the other hand…

    • 🙂

      From my post above, the word “A” KEY, the “A” could be dropped to just:



      A Word that is KEY

      🙂 The GOLF C & CS
      🙂 poem Line 24 “title” The THRILL of the CHASE
      🙂 TH “RILL” Creek of Discovery
      🙂 Put In “KEY” into “HOLE” to Unlock CLUES

    • Hi IWG,

      Although I don’t think you offered us the correct key word, I do think the rest of your ideas make a lot of sense. Thanks for that.

      • 🙂 Muset

        Thanks for your kind words.

        🙂 The GOLF C & CS
        🙂 Glad if helps you and your welcome

  72. Wordnik: Keystone: Architecture: “The central wedge-shaped stone of an arch that locks its parts together. Also called headstone.”

    Then there’s that ‘que’ in words such as Albuqurque. And sorta in, but not in, quest. IWhy in donkey & turkey but not in murky? Turnkey is sorta quirky.

    Here we go again. … meaning/ sound/ spelling makes my head ache.

  73. A follow up to my previous post…

    My best guess as to the word that is key is “cold”. When I think of the reasons one may have to be or get cold to find the treasure, I can only come up with three.

    1) The searcher must walk though some stretch of water to get to the trove.

    2) The searcher must camp out in order to get the trove.

    3) The searcher has a better chance (maybe significantly better) if they search during the non traditional search season.

    My take on 1…

    I believe that one must use a boat/raft at some point during the hunt, assuming they go the way f’s poem guides us. Having said that, I think it is a very reasonable that f would have us wade through a creek to obtain the gold. Certainly, a level of coldness will occur no matter how warm the creek or air is.

    My take on 2…

    I don’t think it is necessary for the searcher to camp out in order to find the trove although it may allow for additional search time. I don’t think he meant you have to be cold at night in order to obtain it.

    My take on 3…

    This is an interesting theory and one that I’m not declaring that anyone/everyone needs to do, but I think that the treasure is placed somewhere that is not hard to get to even in winter. Obviously if the trove was placed near the peak of a mountain it would not be possible with all of the snow pack, but I believe it is placed in more of a “family friendly” place after you pass, “no place for the meek”.

    Once again, I do not condone anyone searching treacherous areas especially during the cold seasons. I think a clue may have been left by f in the very first chapter of TTOTC. He discusses going to a book store looking for literary classics. He buys “A Catcher in the Rye” and to his amazement JD Salinger died the next day. I think f is giving us a clue as to when he placed the trove. JD Salinger died on 01/27/2010 which fits into the possible time when f hid the treasure. I believe he is leaving a hint that he hid it very near to the time he went to the bookstore and bought that book, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he hopped back into his car and drove straight to the bookstore to buy his books. I’m open to both positive and negative comments. Thanks for listening.


    • THO,

      Only three? OK. But you also only use temperature in relationship to cold…is that all it means?

      Are we limiting thinking by attempting to see only a single meaning, not only to a word, but what a clue is?

      • Thanks for the reply seeker and thanks for expanding my train of thought. I didn’t mean it as these three were the only possibilities, just that these are the three I have looked at closest so far.

        Good luck with your search.


      • I kinda agree with seeker. There are many things that we can ascribe to cold. Weather and water are definitely two. Cold cream is cold….my GBFP is cold as hell when I first put it on. By the way…ONLY put that stuff on your feet. The blue bottle does NOT work as a substitute for the orange bottle in sensitive places. Personal experience. Please rent my mistake instead of buying your own. 😉

        • You have to be brave to put that stuff on! It probably acts as a good contra. Back again is the easy part!

    • An additional follow up…

      There was no rainfall in Santa Fe on either January 26 or 27, 2010. (The two days he went to Borders) Although f says that it rained both days.

      Is this just another purposeful inconsistency or was he hinting that he wasn’t at the Santa Fe Borders on January 26, 2010.

      Good luck hunting.


      • or is ‘borders’ a word that is key….just now rereading all the post under this topic as I started to rethink what word could be key and was leaning toward ‘begin’ or ‘halt’ as a searcher has to have this down right to move on with any confidence, if the word is in fact in the poem….IMO

    • It seldom, if ever, rains in Santa Fe in January, too high, and to cold check weather at 7500 feet in Santa Fe… this may fall into the 15% category of embellishment or plain untruth bald faced lie? Untruth, but for a purpose?

    • I went out at 3 am last night and did not see one! Someone said look in a couple more nights.? And I am in the mountains.

      Lou Lee Belle, God bless you all.

      • Look to the northeast. It’s only 10pm and I saw a big one. Should be a good night for viewing.

      • i am in the Dallas/Ft Worth area and our weather guy said it would peak around midnight here. bad news we will be in west Tx by then but good news we would have all the light pollution. we will be heading out within the hour packing car and grabbing grandson. and we are off like a herd of turtles

    • YIPPEEEE!!!!!!! i will be way out in west TX where we can see them. my grandson i hope will be surprised by all the stars he will be able to see. we will be load car and heading within the hour. and we are off like a herd of turtles.

  74. Maybe your too high? I’m in the middle and a couple have already come streaking by.

    • i lean towards the same key word, but haven’t connected all the dots yet… I’m curious why you think it’s TIRED?

      First time poster here. And that word selection was enough to bring me out of the shadows…

        • I don’t know – could it me Phoenician? or Sur?

          Been there done that, but I couldn’t get either of the two to fit with Tyre.

          I tried ti-red as well since this is what I say to my kids at night.

          Perhaps the word that is key is not a word in the poem, but is phonetically represented in the poem? (Pun intended). If so, Tire = tyre= Phoenician.

          Perhaps we should listen good.

          Just a thought.

          Scott W

        • Totally agreed that it doesn’t fit. The phrasing seems very odd for a line that is typically overlooked as a clue. I can write that same line 3 different ways using the same words that each feel more natural than the one ff chose.

        • @Michael – is that the story of a family friend and football coach, Concy Wood? If so, concy is also an Irish slang word for concentrate, or f’s emphasis to “think”.

          Edard is another Irish name. He likes Irish names for some reason.

          • Concy Story: Bike wheels & flattened tires? Maybe a Cockney type rhyme….
            Tired and weak — Wheeler Peak.

            Too easy?

        • Michael 1198, Another possible fit would be the 92 mile walk from west Yellowstone to Bozeman as a kid combined with numerous times driving the Gallatin Canyon as an adult kid.

          • Fun fact: “Gallatin” is a heavy oil of coal tar used in the preservation of timber via the “Bethell Process”. Hence, it is literally “in the wood”.

  75. Josh, thanks!

    Very cool tie in since our entire solve WAS centered around the Gallatin River and Gallatin Canyon which is 5000 ft elevation in many areas. It’s also [to my uncertain knowledge] the only river flowing out of YNP which is fed by snow melt absent geothermal waters and also flows into the Missouri. The Gallatin’s open meadows near Bozeman were known to the Native Americans (Blackfoot, Crow etc) as the “valley of flowers.” An unusual truce between warring tribes Was maintained while hunting in the Gallatin region – it flows or “goes in peace” after swiftly passing thru a canyon that’s no place for the meek; goes on to Three Forks where Sacagwea assisted Lewis and Clark with taking the correct water route.

    In Shoshone (sheep eater mountain tribe) “Gallatin”
    is cut towah – translated “swift waters”

  76. Once your OUTSIDE that box, think there, then go there if you can.

    Please everyone, respect & honor nature and leave her exactly as you found her. I’m sure it would never be hidden where damage, destruction, desecration or trespassing would be necessary or where you would risk your safety. Enjoy the puzzle and the adventures. In the end, 99% of us will simply be out there for the thrill if it. We’ll all have many wonderful memories and stories to tell. Have fun and Happy New Year to Everyone!

  77. Once you have opened your mind to the point where your brains fall out, dice them up, scramble them around, refill scull, then rinse and repeat.

    • SL, scarcity=2 copies. Only one published for Forrest. Second copy must have been the pre-pub proof.
      Forrest speaks fondly about “BIP” in “Seventeen Dollars.” Sloane’s clever line-drawings of BIP dash with character…really adorable.

  78. anna,

    Haven’t had the opportunity of reading “Seventeen Dollars a Square Inch”, but looking forward in learning more about….BIP. – ( Holding a most cherished and reserved place in some heart(s), no doubt!)

    I get a strong sense that Forrest loves and has been loved quite dearly during the course of his lifetime.

    May the New Year be one of your very best!


  79. SL, You would certainly enjoy Forrest’s seasoned words paying playful tribute to his treasured friend Eric Sloane. F has done an outstanding job of perpetuating Sloane’s memory and legacy. (You may borrow my copy).

    IMO the intentional missing “e’s” and frog’s feet sculpted on f’s bells may be reminiscent of imprints left by Eric Sloane, Pegg(e), Kell(e), Zoe, Lil(e), dadd(e), Skipp(e), Jun(e), and others while resting on the Lily pad of Forrest’s heart. This line of thought puts Forrest in the middle of all he loves including fishing and cowboy culture. The fishing crowd will laugh at my interpretation. I welcome laughter and believe what many are missing about Forrest is his fun sense of humor and tenderness towards family/friends. 🙂

    • Anne, I like your thought process. Look closer at the feet of the frogs on the bells. They have three toes if you will. Frogs have four. It tells you something, an important clue I believe.

      • Hey Paul, I think you are onto something. Are you leaning more towards the shape of the sculpted feet portraying a capital E font; a missing toe; or what else could play in? I’m a bit stumped at this point.

        • Again Anna I like your thought process. I have not thought of the capital E. That could be something as well because I know in the book TTOTC that ME is very important when you see it in pictures and drawings.
          I see it also as 3, a backwards E. Three lines converge into one. Also something else that is a very strong clue to the whole poem.

    • He has the answers and us, well we’re up a creek without a paddle. No seriously Anna I’m hooked carry on.

    • anna,

      I would like to think that Eric has blueprints for that covered bridge; found the ‘perfect’ river, and is waiting for Forrest to bring the building materials.

      Your “frog” interpretations in reference to Forrest’s Bells could be quite perceptive, and perhaps the following information might also provide some additional and basic clarity:

      “Forrest’s “Seventeen Dollars a Square Inch”… definitely a must read for me. (Thank you for your thoughtful offer, however, it’s doubtful that I could part with it!)


      • SL, John, Paul,
        Thanks for the input. Interesting. Still thinking about E being the confluence of three streams braiding into one; and reading about frog totem symbolism. Tried researching the spade foot toad and any frogs which may have three toes due to human contamination. To be honest sometimes I have more luck inside the poem thinking like a kid. Next up, applying kids word games I used to play on long car rides. At least it will be fun 😉

      • SL,

        I was drawn to the “quiz” at the bottom of that “spiritanimal” page…thanks

        I am a “butterfly”…interesting

        Also…Since I live quite close to Eric Sloane’s Museum (CT)…I will add a trip perhaps when it opens in May…the covered bridges still “dot” the landscape of both CT and nearby states. There is one within walking distance of my home.

        • So I had to go take the quiz… I’m a butterfly too :). I was hoping for a bear!!!

          Jealous you live so close to the Sloane museum… My husband really wants to go see it if we are ever in the general area…

        • Ellen & Spallies,
          You drew me to the quiz…and doesn’t every gal want to be a butterfly? But nope, a not so cute grizzly bear photo pops up for me saying I’m strong and grounded…when alI i really want to do is fly the coup and smell the wild flowers. It was fun. Thanks!

          • Anna, Spallies, SL. Great, work so far. Spallies yes a butterfly is also the flutter by as you know. As in a flutter fan!
            Thanks SL you always bring great info! Also the metamorphosis of frog, fish , dragonflies, mayflies , damselflies and butterflies. Change from the nymph phase.
            Don’t forget that flowers have changes as well!
            See the trend here?
            Diggin Gypsy you out there?

        • Ellen,

          I consider you fortunate, indeed! Do visit the Eric Sloane Museum. ( May is a beautiful month, and is also a favorite of mine!)

          Butterfly’s are…free ~


    • Doncha just hate computers sometimes?
      I’ll try this again…. If it doesn’t work, I guess I’m not wise enuff.
      /)__ )
      ” “
      I’m an owl.

      • Well done WiseOne! Is that your totem? 🙂 I had an epic fail when I tried to make an ascii birthday cake with candles for Forrest once.

        • LOL…. I’m sure forrest enjoyed the cake CJ, but maybe a pineapple pie with candles would’ve been more to his liking.

          And yes, Owl is my spirit animal / totem. Tonight I appear to be a little off kilter and full of leading. 😛 Just use your imagination.

          • WiseOne,

            Your Owl is awesome… you wise ol owl!
            I was trying to find an ASCII Darth Vader the other day and was kinda surprised I could not find one! Maybe I need to try and make my own 🙂

      • WOW Wiseone! I’m impressed. The best font art I’ve seen..not too far to hoot!

        My animal totem was a grizzly bear and I will never admit that to my hubby. All I can fonticiously produce for a grizz is ,,,,^••^,,,,a bear peeking into your owl hole.

        • Thx Anna. You must be a very tall bear!
          I’m just a Little Owl nesting high in a hole of an ancient pine…. Kiew Kiew.

        • anna,

          When i was little, I would get a book and head for our apricot tree in the backyard. I could sit up there for hours and ‘travel’ anywhere they took me!

          I appreciate your respect for books; you certainly are a gifted ‘writer’ as well.

          The TTOTC has several levels, however, I am sensing that it will be solved within the year.

          Thanks for guiding me to the following:


          • Anna and SL, another interesting tidbit is that Beaverhead rock was also to be used as the point of beginning for surveying Montana, instead they used limestone hill. Start at the beginning.
            Beaver is considered Brown by PIE, but I like my HOB better. I guess we will see sometime this spring.

            SL, I like your question about the 9’s. I am not sure how I want to answer it yet. I will get back to you soon.

          • SL, that is because my solve has taken me to something on google earth that I think is the blaze and relates to 9.

          • @SL, books are a pleasure ride through another place and time for me. I truly enjoyed the Sacagawea link you posted earlier. Did you have a tree fort in your apricot tree? I never had the pleasure of a tree fort.

            @Wiseone, that’s a natural anagram I could see Forrest using. There are so many possibilities, that in the past I’ve steered clear due to lack of confidence in selecting the correct one. But I think only picking 2-3 adjacent words is best.
            I had fun browsing $17 Dollers for tidbits.

            @Wolf In one place Sloane signs a line drawing as ‘Legacy’ (which was interesting to research); and backwards Sloan is e.noals/knolls or bluffs/buttes – figured you’d enjoy that one Wolf;-)

            @Paul, What a cool landmark Beaverhead Rock has been through ages past. Kind of a shame the original surveyors picked a non-description spot in the prairie.

          • Anna if you like reading, have you read the ugly duckling? I think you will find it very interesting.

          • While reading ugly duckling don’t forget to smile at a homely girl and the reflection references Forrest makes and mirrors. Also the cover of TFTW.

      • Great owl wise one!

        Did you know that magpies are one of the smartest birds? They are able to notice their own reflection in a mirror! One of the only birds to be able to do this. Magpies are part of the Raven or Crow species.

        • Always enjoy finding you in the….”Chase”, Paul! (Your latest contribution regarding “magpies” and mirrors; too cool!

          What is your take on the abundance of “9’s” weaving in and out of the Poem, etc?

          Found the following article rather interesting:

          I’m inclined to think this “Grandma” might just have a place in TTOTC!


          • SL, I really enjoy your information. Thanks. Good to be back, I have a little more time on my hands.

            Interesting to see your article. Very informative. One of the women who was noted for the Noble peace prize was from my area, Jane Adams.

            SL, you have some great research! You would be a good teammate.

          • SL, on early voting rights…
            Long before formal voting rights, during the Lewis and Clark Expedition…the entire party was asked to cast individual votes. It was the first time recorded in American history that a woman (Sacajawea) and an African American (York) cast votes. I believe it had to do with their return route and timing. “Undaunted Courage” one of my all time favorite reads. I lived the journey.

        • Thank you Paul. I enjoyed reading about Magpies and the MSR mirror reflection test… But being wise is different from being smart. Smart is defined as having or showing quick intelligence or ready mental capability… Wisdom is defined as having a deep understanding and realization of people, things, events or situations, resulting in the ability to apply these perceptions, judgments and actions in keeping with this understanding. If you want to be wise, you must learn to see the big picture. Isn’t that what forrest has told us? We need to “look at the big picture”… We need to understand the context of the situation and how everything fits in. Only then will we be able to assess the situation correctly and from there, make the right decision.

          • Well put WiseOne. I will noodle on the distinction between wise and smart and put the big picture as a goal. thanks for sharing.

          • Thanks wiseone. I appreciate your help with the seperating the two. I think I am smart, but inspire to be wise.

      • Old or new den? Uken2it, that’s a curious question…
        I’m a Saw Whet Owl and sleep in a previously excavated hole that was made by a Flicker in an old pine tree of course…. It’s just too-too cozy for words. 😉

        • Old and New=Old+New=Owl Den (anagram). I thought you may have been thinking of this line in the poem. But just a tidbit for thought now.

          Best Owl Art Award goes to (drumroll) Wiseone!

    • Thank you for the “holler” SL. I will look into that… At the moment though, I’m focusing in on a different perspective of the poem…. Only time will tell if my eyes are deceiving me.

  80. Loved the Owl art. Owl plays a part in my solve.

    IMO the Keyword was “YOUR”. “There’ll be no paddle up YOUR creek”

    Why YOUR creek? Why not THE creek or this creek? Is it your creek because the TC is up this creek? Just a thought.

  81. My 2c’s worth: IMO the key word is “it”.

    Is there a conversation concerning this interpretation?

    Best to all in 2016!

    -Wisconsin Mike

  82. My New Years Resolution is to post more of my crazy theories like Mindy does, I mean that as a compliment Mindy, I love reading your theories. So here are some of my crazy thoughts today:

    Maybe the word that is key is KIDNEY, after all in a twisted sort of way that is what started this whole thing.

    It acronyms to Key In D.

    In chromesthesia D Major is said to be gold in color. The genius composer Alexander Scriabin (Leo Tolstoy described Scriabin’s music as “a sincere expression of genius.”) considered D major to be golden in color and, in a discussion with Rimsky-Korsakov, he gave an example from one of Rimsky-Korsakov’s own operas where a character sang in D major about gold.

    Key In D ulgence. Ulgence acronyms to Clue Glen for you Glenwood serachers.

    In D ecision is the KEY to flexibility. Ecision acronyms to I C Noise? Is noise sound? Is sound color? I C Gold maybe?

    Also I was looking to see which lines in the poem had the letters that could spell kidney and there are 2:

    And take it in the canyon down… (6th line, 6th letter is f)
    The answer(s) I already know… (19th line, 19 is 1+9=10 or X in roman numerals)

    I’m not sure about the canyon down line but it is curious that the word answers in the TTOTC poem changed to answer in the TFTW poem, could it be because Forrest went from kidneys (plural) to kidney (singular)?

    I was also thinking if it’s Key In D and D is the 4th letter in the alphabet could the Key be in line 4 in the poem, the line with the word HINT?

    I am always trying to make something out of the lines with the word HINT and the word ANSWER(S).

    And another thought on this, “The answer(s) I already know, I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak”. I’ve done it T (two), and now I’m W (won or one)?

    And then there is the two omegas thing. I realized today the 2 omegas/horseshoes I found in my solve look more like kidneys…


  83. Just to throw it out there… I think the keyword is “look”. He says tight focus (looking closely), and you can’t read the poem without looking at it. The last thing you do is look quickly down before your quest ceases. But IDK just a fun guess. IMO, the fun that is lol.

    • John R. Great job, it is definitely one of the key words of not the one. I like drawing as well.
      Look quickly down( duck). Look as in look out. Or look for, search , seek are all to fish for.
      OO seems to be important such as good as well such as water well.

      • Of course ignoring the word “Brown” lol. I also like drawing. I like that a geyser draws water from somewhere; without the drawing… no geyser smh. Without the drawing. No well. For fun try writing out all the contractions in the poem :). For example it’s = It is. and there’ll = there will. Feels good. IMO.

      • Paul, lOOk I believe is a reference to eyes (wise) and eye spy from gOOgle earth. I enjoyed the Ugly Duckling. Perhaps down does equate with duck, swan, or feathers. Forrest is such an amazing person with a list of accomplishments that would put 10 good men to shame, and also handsome…so it’s hard for me to imagine him feeling like an ugly duckling out of place. Maybe his references to anxious years have to do with not fitting into the classroom which was his dad’s world. That generation didn’t know how to tap into gifted kids, retrain dyslexia, encourage learning styles, etc.

  84. Paul, collecting children’s stories is a hobby of mine, but I’ve not read the Ugly Duckling in 50 years. Right now, as you recommend it, I’m glad there is no avatar photo of me;-) lol. I’ll download it

  85. Come on you guys, the word is “KEY”. “A word that IS key”. The key is Forrest Fenn. There is no magical word that will solve everything, Try this, replace the word ‘key” with another word. What do you think the word would be? “A word that is lake, you would think that word is “lake”, “A word that is car, that word would be car. No difference here, it’s just the word is “KEY”. Remember in the book when he says “a little of me is also inside the box”? Well, it’s the key to the chest he’s referring to. He’s also saying that “HE” is the key. The word that is key is “KEY”, the key is “Forrest Fenn”.

  86. Reposting this thought on this thread to see if some here might want to chime in on the discussion:

    I clipped and lifted the direct question and the direct answer here:

    Q: “Can a little girl in India, who speaks good English, but only has your poem and a map of the US Rocky Mountains, work out where the treasure is?”

    A: “The little girl in India cannot get closer than the first two clues.”

    This from the website:

    So, could it be that the key word is in the first two clues for a person to find Indulgence? It seems like proximity counts, if we can take Mr. Fenn’s words at face value. What do you all think?

    • He doesn’t say anything about the “key” in that statement. Seems to me that he basically is saying you can find the first two clues online. The others you need to be there. From what I see, that is exactly true. And, you can go in confidence, a lot of support info. And, you would have the coordinates anyway and know what to do there. IMCOHO.

  87. Since my post in January, I have changed my mind from “YOUR” to “IN”.

    Line 1, Stanza 1 – …”in there”. IN where? unknown until puzzle (poem) is completed. By working through the poem, we arrive at “IN the wood. Once you solve what wood is, go back to “IN there” of line 1, stanza 1 and substitute your “WOOD” for there.

    Forrest has told us to read the poem, read TTOTC and then to read and reread the poem over and over. Reading the poem multiple times, in succession links the last clue IN the wood” with the first clue “IN THERE”

    For me, using this process, My search area shrank from a quite large area to an exact location as I sharpened my focus on the word “wood”,

    IN was VERY important because it tells me to look IN an area, and not just AT an area.

    I ultimately wound up IN a stream, at a very specific location.


  88. We (the Geezer Team) believe that the key word in Fenn’s poem is “wise” which is the 4th word of the 4th stanza, the stanza has 4 lines and the word has 4 letters! Is there any significance to the number 4? None that we can decipher but note that I’m writing this on the 4th day of February at 4 minutes after 4 pm. It’s a leap year which comes every 4 years which means the year is evenly divisible by 4!

    A key is used to unlock something, in this case hidden information. We think this is the only place where a key/hidden information ploy is used in the poem.

    We believe the key word is “wise”, which could also be spelled “yz”. The “y” represents a branch in the trail. Take the left branch as indicated by the word “nigh” found in the line “The end is ever drawing nigh;”. The “z” represents a switch back in the trail which goes up a gully as per “There’ll be no paddle up your creek”. Somewhere along the switch back find the blaze.

    What in blazes is the blaze? You should be able to discover that when you get there. However, we believe that what the blaze is can be discovered a priori in TTOTC. Also, this is one place, maybe the only place, where TTOTC is helpful, we think.

    Dennis Bockhaut, Geezer Team Member

    • Do you think a branch in the trail could represent “go in peace,” as in a peace sign?

    • @Dennis, Fenn said in a video Q&A that one would not find themselves switching back. I recall reading elsewhere that he also said it would not be near a trail. But I do like your thought process.

    • The use of wise as a word that is key is interesting when used as a suffix such as clockwise, otherwise, likewise and so on

      • This is what I was thinking – “wise” = clockwise or sunwise. Possibly referring to the sequential locations of clues on the map, or the direction to look/turn from a certain location.

  89. I believe the key word in the poem is title. I also believe it is connected to the blaze. I also believe that when Forrest gives some fortunate treasure hunter title to the gold its going to create a memorial for a lot of forgotten soldiers. IMO.

    • I considered alone as a key word for sometime but have since changed my mind.
      A key word in my opinion should unlock the poem and every time I gain some insight my key word would change. Do you think it is possible to have more then one key word?I have a new key word but it might not be wise to discount the others. IMO

      • Hello JL. I do believe there’s a very good possibility that there are other words in the poem which directs one to the place and treasure.

        • I have considered that instead of the key word unlocking the poem the word is absolutely essential to solve the poem and without that one word ff could not complete his directions to the TC. IMO

      • Hello uken2it. Going with what you said about “alone” vs. “Enola;” have you thought of the “Enola Gay”? Mr. Fenn’s mother, Lillie “Gay” Simpson Fenn. Colonel Paul Tibbets named the Enola Gay after his mother. The Enola Gay had a 12-man crew on a secret mission–the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. The bomb was nicknamed “Little Boy.”

        Have you or anyone else considered these areas?:

        Tibbets Drain, Goshen County, WY

        Tibbets Gulch, Sheridan County, WY

        Tibbets Creek, Powder River County, MT

        • Hello uken2it. I may have found a rabbit’s hole with this one. I’ve posted a discussion on The Nine Clues page. Unless I’m missing another thought with this, I’m not sure this is going anywhere.

          • Yeah, Enola didn’t lead to anything in my last effort to get to a location in the search area. Nonetheless I am looking at it again.

        • pdenver, yes I have looked at the enola gay and have tried to make it work. I never ended up in the search area. I did not catch the connection to f. Thanks for sharing that. I just this week started looking at it again and that is why i shared the alone connection

          thanks for sharing the links, i’ll be looking at them soon. I’ll share another of my old hood at this, dunno if it was helpful though.
          line 3 Terces an old measure of capacity equivalent to one third of a pipe, or 42 wine gallons

          • i was convinced for a long time “terces”- given it’s definition was related to the chase. it’s nice to know someone else thinks it’s possible.

        • Another thought I just had is when I use a key I ‘turn’ it. May be wise to consider a key word to be turned around. Not the whole poem but the key.

        • Here are a few of my recent results ( rabbit holes and imo) from the first stanza.
          Lines 1-4 Chest (not very helpful)
          Mining Map
          Line 1- I left a part of me in there, Spider*, Spider Man, Brown Recluse, recluse, hermit, Lone Ranger 2- And/in addition to: Sharp memories, memorials, medals, mask gone bad loot???, plus biography.

          *The Spider Rock Treasure: A Texas Mystery

          • Hello uken2it. Going with the flow of spiders. Spiders produces silk. Several things are made of silk, including parachutes. Any connections to Parachute, Colorado? Looks like I’ll need to look things up. Curiosity has me again. 🙂

          • I hadn’t considered silk, but I did think I had something when I considered the Brown Recluse Spider, but brown is not capitalized in normal use. It did open up a few other ideas when I considered where they hide and/or are found. Can’t find my notes but in dark place, hollowed logs, shoes, curtains etc.

          • Hello uken2it. Might explain Mr. Fenn’s “ΩΩ”…looks like a pair of chutes. Hear me all and listen good! If it’s a rabbit hole, it’s a very good rabbit hole. 🙂

          • Clever on the omegas. If two descended in their chutes, did the other one make it alive? Or who was it?

          • Hello uken2it. I’ll be darned. The link shows the connection to the Enola Gay. The Peace Prize recipient came from there…his name is/was Willard Libby. Isn’t “Willie” a nickname for Willard? Sounds familiar with another twin: Willie Mae Simpson Smith…Mr. Fenn’s aunt. This is getting pretty interesting.

          • Hello uken2it. Twins could imply the mirror image and Mr. Fenn’s mother had a twin. The two descending parachutes may be a play on word…”pair of chutes” and “Parachute.” Mr. Fenn was shot down twice, but I don’t recall if he parachuted twice, I only recall once. Do you or anyone recall?

          • Here is another snippet for the first stanza and a little of my imagination.

            I left myself behind, and have sharp dark memories, I can suppress the memories with only hints of who was and who I am today. (made me think of Masquerade)

            (I need to actually locate things I save since many times “I” don’t even know they exist. My short term memory fails me at times, thank goodness for the control-F function 😉

  90. For those interested in mirror or reverse stuff the poem with words in reversed is:

    sA I evah enog enola ni ereht
    dnA htiw ym serusaert ,dlob
    I nac peek ym terces ,erehw
    dnA tnih fo sehcir wen dna .dlo

    nigeB ti erehw mraw sretaw tlah
    dnA ekat ti ni eht noynac ,nwod
    toN ,raf tub oot raf ot .klaw
    tuP ni woleb eht emoh fo .nworB

    morF ereht s’ti on ecalp rof eht ,keem
    ehT dne si reve gniward ;hgin
    ll’erehT eb on elddap pu ruoy ,keerc
    tsuJ yvaeh sdaol dna retaw .hgih

    fI ev’uoy neeb esiw dna dnuof eht ,ezalb
    kooL ylkciuq ,nwod ruoy tseuq ot ,esaec
    tuB yrrat tnacs htiw levram ,ezag
    tsuJ ekat eht tsehc dna og ni .ecaep

    oS yhw si ti taht I tsum og
    dnA evael ym evort rof lla ot ?kees
    ehT srewsna I ydaerla ,wonk ,
    ev’I enod ti ,derit dna won m’I .kaew
    ehT relbmaG

    oS raeh em lla dna netsil ,doog
    ruoY troffe lliw eb htrow eht .dloc
    fI uoy era evarb dna ni eht doow
    I evig uoy eltit ot eht .dlog

  91. pdenver, and uken2it, if the key word was alone, then it would also beg the question, alone now but ff has said he has been there a few times before, so the obvious question is with whom?

    I have stated on this blog that when my group was filmed for a possobile pilot series for Animal Planet by Moonshots film and video production that ff told the camera crew that his father William Marvin Fenn would know where he hid the TC, furthermore two can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

    Now I have a dilemma to explain because I thought that Knowledge or (knowlege) might have been the word that is key, but after a lot of examination of ff’s writings the key word is much more likely to be SIMPLE, you know like Simple Simon, and the most simple word, which even a child could understand ie a (noun) in this whole poem, the only one that has only one meaning is CANYON, there is only one definition of that word, and it is described in the poem this way; preceeding it is the phrase www halt and following it the word down.

    Even down has very few meanings compared to Blaze or Brown so if you were to look for easy, simple so that a young girl from India might solve the first two clues then here you have it.

    Tom T.

    • Hello Tom T. I don’t believe it’s as simple as Simple Simon.

      ‘…if the key word was alone, then it would also beg the question, alone now but ff has said he has been there a few times before, so the obvious question is with whom?’

      My question is, does finding out “with whom” give you the “where” the chest is with clarity? It’s possible he could have been at the place with anyone, not necessarily his father. The noun “canyon” can indicate any place in the Rocky Mountains, but which one seems to have people puzzled. Is “canyon” the key word? It could possibly be, but for me, I’ll stick with alone. I wonder how old the young India girl is? If I had asked my granddaughter, who will be six in a few months, if she knows what a canyon is, I don’t believe she could answer.

      • pdenver,

        It is my understanding the “girl in India” is hypothetical and not a real person. The issue related to how many clues could be solved with only the book and chase map by a person in another country. Have a great day.

        • Hello Kedar’s Mom. Thank you for your response. In regards to Tom T.’s comment about his chosen keyword being “canyon” and how he feels the word would be simple enough for a child to understand because it only has one meaning, do you feel a young child (hence the young girl from India came to mind, hypothetically) would understand the meaning of the word “canyon”? I have a granddaughter that is six/seven years old and I’m not sure she would know. What are your thoughts? What do you believe the keyword may be?

          • I do think a kid knows what a canyon is considering the grand canyon is so popular. Ask if she know what that is and you’ll have your answer. There’s no way I can reveal what I think is the keyword, if I want to be the first to the treasure. Sorry. I will say it isn’t canyon.

        • Hello Kedar’s Mom. Thank you for your response. I’ll have to ask my granddaughter about The Grand Canyon. I respect your decision not to mention your keyword. I agree with your disagreement about “canyon” being the keyword. Hope you have a great day, too. 🙂

    • The definition is specific but the origin is abit interesting: 1834, from Mex.Sp. cañon, extended sense of Sp. cañon “a pipe, tube, gorge,” from cano “a tube,” from L. canna “reed” (see cane). But earlier spelling callon (1560s) might suggest a source in calle “street

      • Hello uken2it. I had looked into it before and had wondered if it had anything to do with The Royal Gorge. I browsed Google Earth, but I really didn’t go much further with it because I was looking into other stuff at the time.

    • “pdenver, and uken2it, if the key word was alone, then it would also beg the question, alone now but ff has said he has been there a few times before, so the obvious question is with whom?”

      Tom, I am missing a connection between f went in alone and going again meaning he went with another person.

      • uken2it and pdenver, the question we must ask ourselves,in order that we understand the first expression in the guide, the poem which reads “As I have gone “ALONE” in there”, is where would ff and his father have a common “Special Place”, I hold that the “who” was his father, a terminally ill man who commited suicide in 1987 when he realized his cancer was beyond treatment, why would that be such an important feature in ff’s plan?

        ff has stated numerous times that his own diagnosis of 80% chance of his untimely demise accelerated his search for a way to “take it with him” so to me I would not want my family to find me in the bathroom overdosed on prescription pills , perhaps he would resort to a trip to his and his father’s special place in the Rockies, perhaps if his father would have been able to travel to that place, he too would have ended his life there instead of 141_ Main Street Tyler TX.

        The reason I do not believe that special place was one visited by ff and Skippy, ie: William Marvin Fenn Jr is simple, his death was accidental.

        Tom T

        • TomT … Maybe I just haven’t read far enough back on this page, but I don’t follow your line of reasoning that says his father was definitely in the special place with Forrest at some point in the past.

          What is your source for concluding that his father was actually with Forrest, in Forrest’s special place, which is the location of the chest? Thanks in advance for your reply.


          • Ken, I heard this info in November 2013, back when Animal Planet sent a production team out here called “Moonshots Productions” an Emmy Award winning film group, sent to film a possible pilot series on the treasure hunt, they filmed (us) my brother, my wife and another couple for about 11 hours of video time. We laughed, joked and thoroughly enjoyed searching and working with Eric and Dave of Moonshots Productions, we even signed contracts. At end of the quest, my wife, who is a great singer, sang our state song, OH FAIR NEW MEXICO, written by Elizabeth Garrett daughter of Pat Garrett lawman of Billy the Kid fame.


            ff told the film crew, that his father would know where he hid the TC, now that does not give a lot away except to say that ff’s father was obviously very close to f after all, William Marvin Fenn Sr made a call to f the night he left this earth.

            Considering that they lost Skippy several years before in a tragic drowning accident in a cave in Cozumel Island (the island of swallows in the Mayan tongue) at about 90′ while Skip was treasure hunting there, who else would be that close to ff except his father?

            So to understand what ff did with the TC we may wish to pay attention to what William Marvin Fenn Sr considered important, a retired Educator, so if you have not guessed it by now, then you missed the comment where ff says he would like to get the kids off their little texting machines and into the mountains.

            My solve has not only included My War For Me, but more kids than you could shake a Walking Stick at..

            Can anyone guess my area?

            Tom T

          • Ken

            Just show the poem to a Kid, they may understand it much better than us grown ups.

            Tom T

  92. My goodness, I never realized that alone was the reverse of Enola, that is brilliant and furthermore, anagrams for alone are……a noel and Leona…………..that translates to………Merry Christmas to me, Merry Christmas to me……..


  93. JC1117 – what a photo! Loved expanding the view on my screen to view the colorful galaxies in space. Such an infinite look at creation is mind boggling to me. I’m a believer in Intelligent Design. Looking at that photo makes me think the Big Bang theory is similar to tossing fireworks in the dirt and yielding Einstein’s brain – for me that doesn’t logically make as much sense to me as an Architect of time and space. Ok, back to the poem…

  94. As I have gone alone in there
    And with my treasures bold

    Alone AND with my treasures bold

    ask yourself not what are his treasures, but who are his treasures.

    Just a thought

  95. To Tom Terrific …

    Thanks for your detailed response to my question about Forrest’s father. I would have responded directly under your response, but (*sigh*) there was no “Reply” option!

    You said: “ff told the film crew [in 2013] that his father would know where he hid the TC”. That comment, if true, is more significant to me than to you, apparently. There are all kinds of implications in ff’s comment, again, if true.

    You also said: “we may wish to pay attention to what [Forrest’s father] considered important …”. A more important question, it seems to me, would be … in what context was ff’s comment made. Of course, we probably won’t be able to know that.

    Again, thanks for your detailed response.


  96. I have been baffled by the “word that is key” until today when I was doing some digging on google and came across a definition for a word in the poem (not one I thought was a key). Suddenly, all of the poem seem to come into focus. It totally changed the meaning of the poem to look at the poem with this definition. I assume I have found the word that is key because the definition of this word helped me to understand how all of the other parts of the poem come together. I’ve been saying that I do not believe that the different phrases and sentences of the poem are as disconnected as originally they seemed. I just couldn’t find a way to bring them all together to make them one cohesive poem. Bring on Summer! I’m ready to hike!

  97. WISE is the key word in the last clue “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
    Look quickly down, your quest to cease,” u cannot find the blaze without it..the tressure could be hidden in the woods but without wise u cannot find the blaze which leads to the treasure..If u know where the treasure is then u dont need to be wise to find the blaze…remember Forrest said if u know where the tresasure is u can go anytime..meaning if u know what the blaze is u dont need to be wise…hehehe..

  98. this has always been my opinion – I think we are making things to hard on our self – I think that heavy loads and waters high is the place – why does blaze have to be blaze- if you’ve been wise and found the place – I think that if he would of said place it would of been to easy so I think he through the word blaze meaning place imo look quickly down your quest to cease – is after you’ve found the place

  99. Good Morning;

    I think that there are two words that are key. The first is “IN” – “As I went alone IN there.” In tells me that later in the solve that I have to go “IN” a particular place. Without going “IN” this place (NOT a cave), I can not find the TC. For now, I will hold the second word close to the vest. It is a word that has not been discussed, but one which was vital in my solve.

    Good luck to all and STAY SAFE


  100. Hey JD – You heading out over Easter weekend? Thought I remembered your son and grandkids are traveling out to you. Good Luck out there and hopefully the snow stays away in your search.

  101. HviteUlf;

    Will be heading out Tuesday.

    Thanks for the well-wishes.

    Same to you

    Good luck to all in their searches – STAY SAFE!!


  102. JD – Let me know if you find it. I believe we both have zeroed in on the same location and I have booked flight tickets. Let me know if I should cancel them 🙂 Biggest concern is the snow remaining and also snow flurries moving in.

    Be Safe and Prepared out there!

  103. HviteUlf;

    Email me at SculptorJDA at aol dot com and we can disciss whether we are
    in the same area or not. I doubt that we are.


  104. Walk = strut = clavicle = “little key” –> Clavicula Salomonis is used with La Buce.

    This also might be the reason F uses the word “attributed” in his epitaph in a way that sounds like people have mistakenly attributed things to him.

    • “There is a little of me also inside the box”. Meaning the “key”. The key is in the box, and, Forrest is the key.
      The word that is key is “key”, the key is f.

      • The key should help you to understand the poem by helping you to interpret it in a different way. (IMO) When I found the key, I knew I had it because it helped me to see how all of the lines in the poem connect to one another in a cohesive way. Before I found the key, all I could see were a bunch of disconnected ideas thrown together in a poem. The key helps it make sense.

        • IMO, the key gives you a date. And, the sun’s elevation. It’s obvious the word is “key”, and obvious what the key is. Forrest Fenn. No guessing at some phantom word that will unlock everything. Just instructions, like everything else. Why else would he say ” a little of me is in the box”?
          If I was to play along and guess what some one word is, it would be “book”. But, that’s not it. If you break down line 9 in the poem, it will give you the key.

          • Charlie, If I remember correctly, ff has said he put a lock of his hair in the chest, I think with his miniature autobiography. Can’t remember where I read that, tho. If true, that might the “piece of me” you refer to.

        • If f is the key it might be of interest to tip the capital f on its side. F on its side looks like a skeleton key. imo

  105. From Jenny’s Featured Questions:

    Read the blogs for entertainment, and the poem like you were going to put an X on a map. Beyond that I am not compelled to reiterate. Hunt prepared and go safely. Good luck. f

    Beyond THAT…

    • yup, still more to do… X is not where the chest is, IMO. X is where you play Indiana Jones in the MAP room. Oh, IMO.:)

  106. I was just reading over at Jenny Kile’s website and found something related to the ‘Key’ the going on here:

    “We do not furnish the ‘KEY’ because the fun consists in finding it.”

    Published in 1891, along with the game of Seven Sleepers, the 24 Puzzle challenges a player to find a way to move 8 pawns from one side of an 8×8 checkered board to the other side. This must be done in 24 single or multiple moves.

    My favorite sentence within the instructions for the 24 Puzzle informs a player that an answer for the challenge isn’t provided. The instructions state, “We do not furnish the ‘KEY’ because the fun consists in finding it.”

  107. I know the whole thing , remember me I’m going after it soon, can’t tell the key words, answer some that may be bothering you, I’ll tell you if you ask if its a key word or not; Put in below the home of Brown. – Enter below the rocky bluffs. The Desert big horn of N.M. Where called Browns, ( I killed a nice Brown today) there are different type of Big Horn there, The Desert Big Horn lived on the rocky , steep canyon bluffs

  108. Wood – In the poem you have already found the chest and then it says ; If you are brave and in the wood I give you title to the gold. – Means, the title to the gold is behind the wood on the underside of the lid,( a Will to the finder, that way no matter where you find it , no one can take it from you, be brave, the chest is worth a lot , pop that dam wood off the lid and its yours, if you don’t do that the state will take it or the Feds,

    • Hello Thomas Conrad. I’ve read your explanations for “The Key Word,” and I, personally, do not agree with them, although you may be correct. Because these are our opinions and not facts, and until we have the treasure chest in our possession, we must state them as our opinions on this blog. It’s courtesy for everyone involved. This is an opinion, offered as a thought.

      Good luck with the chase and have fun! 🙂

    • well folks, looks like we have a few more participants for the “Who wants to replace Mile D game”
      Thomas you don’t happen to live on the east coast do you?Reason I ask is, your logic sounds a lot like my brother’s though I doubt he has even read the entire TOTC one time.
      Seeing how I can probably get away with just one more 4000 mile trip, it’s essential for me to get all 9 of those ducks in a row

  109. Halt!
    I am a relatively new searcher and while sitting in a hot tub reciting the poem in my mind, it occurred to me that there is only one non-rhyme. This is fine, poems do not have to rhyme, but funny that there is another word with a similar meaning that actually rhymes perfectly with walk! I immediately came to this thread and it took me 2 days just to peruse it. There was a quick mention of this very fact on August 4, but it was soon dismissed by someone only using the baseball definition of balk.

    Please humor this new searcher as I would like to re-open the discussion.

    One big difference between halt and balk is that halt can be used to refer to an object of a sentence whereas balk cannot. A traffic cop can halt a car. So let’s look back at the poem. There is no comma after halt – even though that spot seems to separate two independent clauses. I am not an expert on poetry punctuation so correct me if I am wrong. These are not two independent clauses and there is an object after the verb.

    So using my possibly flawed logic, warm waters halt “it”. In fact isn’t that the most likely way the poem can be read?

    Warm waters halt “it,” then warm waters take “it.”

    Could “it” be the current? Could “it” be a dry fly? Is the key word “it?”

    I have other ideas but they belong elsewhere in the blog and it might take me a couple days to peruse those threads too so keep an eye out.

    • Welcome Lee, I have used wwwh it as warm air or rain halts ice, that is when ice or snow cease to be it is due to a melt. This led me to the continental divide, specifically I ended up at the triple divide near the international peace park.

    • I think there is a definite reason why halt and walk don’t rhyme. But I don’t think it is because either is the key word. I believe I have the key word and it is something else. Using the keyword, helps to being the meaning of the other sentences into focus. In my review of the word halt, I came up with a different theory. Halt and walk are direct opposites. Look at my comments a week or so ago about the word dichotomy and how the poem is a dichotomy.

    • Hey Lee,

      This is why I enjoy the newcomers… it’s not what they say… it’s what they whisper.
      Begin it where warm waters halt ‘it’ and take it in the canyon down…
      If halt means stop or even a temporary stop of ~ it… maybe ‘it’ is a ride. Not far, and no need to walk.
      Now there’s something to think about when, ‘Kids may have an advantage.’

      Oh, and Lee, please tell me you were enjoying a beer in the hot tub thinking about the poem, and not with a beautiful woman, and thinking about the poem… Otherwise, I would have to rethink the it part… lol

    • Good evening, Lee, and welcome to the Chase. I am tardy in seeing your post and responding to it, which is a shame because I think it very insightful. I raised the halt/balk issue probably years ago now and it never got a lot of traction then, either. In my interpretation of things you are hitting around a breakthrough but not quite on it yet. So now I’ll have to keep my out for you because your logic seems very keen.

  110. IMHO, it’s all a GIGANTIC puzzle, you have to figure out everything in it, then, you have to research everything that you have figured out to death before coming up with a solvesite. So, the key IMHO after you think the whole poem out is “Research.”

    • I agree that each and every clue requires intense research and it isn’t going to be easy for anyone. The more we all share ideas, the more likely that one of us is going to be able to put the pieces together.

  111. ff has said he likes to insert mistakes/aberrations on purpose to a) see if people notice and b) to emphasize a point (i.e., “…..knowlege”).

    Is it possible that the “word that is key” is intentionally not supposed to be there? Maybe ff meant it to be plucked out of the poem to change/shift the meaning of the phrase it’s within to “unlock” the real meaning?

    Just thinking out loud, or actually, ICB (in comment box).

  112. Jake Faulker on April 13, 2016 at 3:10 pm said:

    I think your missing the point here as usual.
    You do not need a clue in the first stanza to give a location of WWWH.
    I think there is a word that is key that can be anywhere in the poem that will give you location.
    Am I correct?
    A straightforward, yes or no will do.

    Why didn’t Forrest say the key word is a clue?
    He would not be giving anything more away by saying this.
    But he didn’t IMO.

    • Too funny… Fenn calls everything a clue.
      So because he didn’t call it a clue, it can’t be one?

      So what you did is you found a word, in the middle of the poem, the takes you to the correct wwwh .. But you say it’s not a clue because it’s only part of a clue, and by using the part of a later clue… You say it finds the correct wwh, and yet you don’t consider it to be the first clue or even a clue… Because it’s only part of a later clue….

      Did I miss anything?

      Jake I stand by my comment… If any information is ” needed “. It’s a clue. If it’s needed to find wwwh, then it a clue that is a must know prior to it… Hence the first clue.

      You’re argument was if stanza 1 holds a clue… By your thought it doesn’t. That’s OK… But using a ” part of a clue ” from the middle of the poem to direct you to wwh… Then the clue … Even part of a clue… Is out of order.
      If wwwh is your first clue.

      • Seeker,
        “Fenn calls everything a clue.”

        Well, he didn’t call that a clue & I am familiar with his videos where he differentiated between hints & clues. Never said that with key word.

        • Jake you can believe what you want… but I’ll add this last little tidbit… It’s the “word that is key”. I supposed there’s no different there either, right? That may help your argument as not a clue, just something to be understood…

          • Why did Forrest say “word that is key” as opposed to – key word?
            This has bothered me lately & yes there is a difference obviously.

            Is the word itself a key?

          • @Jake – in my opinion, stylistic choice of the author. Google “key definition”. See third noun definition. A synonym is “secret”. An expanded example is: “a word or system for solving a cipher or code.” The same example exists for “keyword”. The word in Catalan for “key” is “clau”, so perhaps he was wanting us to focus on “secret” for a reason.

            I have proposed “secret” can be morphed to “Ceuta” and “seven” using Fenn’s stylistic linguistic gymnastics, thereby unlocking Pillars of Hercules and Seven Falls.

          • EC,
            I see the definitions to “Key”.
            I think you may have something here with “Secret”.
            Try not to morph to much, it may be leading you far away, but then again we are talking about Forrest here.
            I was also looking into something that needs a key, like a door or lock.
            But why did he state it in that way?
            He could have just said “there is a key word” but he didn’t.

      • Seeker,
        The word that is key is not “needed” considering you can check all the places WWWH north of SF.
        Not an easy task but doable.
        The key word is a “want” which will help you eliminate most.
        Therefore it does not fit your criteria or Forrest’s as a clue.
        Know the differences in “wants” & “needs” which I have learned early in life.
        Now that is key to life & the treasure.

      • @Jake…FWIW, as far as I’m concerned there is a word that is a key…There is a lock this key opens…It is not a cipher, it is not a code…It is an FF designed puzzle…

        I look at it this way…The architect(Fenn) designed and built a concept(the chase) around a secret place(the chest) and then locked the door(the poem) and hid the key(camouflaged it) until the right person came along and recognized the key, put it in the lock and turned it to open the door and find the secret hidden inside…

        This is the way my solve works out anyway…

        • Sam,
          There’s definitely a word that is key.
          Do you think it is also one of the 9 clues or a component of a clue?
          I am familiar with architecture in many facets of life & structure without the framed paper on the wall stating so.
          It is so much more worth looking into, probably more than trying to figure out HOB.
          If you have the word that is key, why reverse engineer to WWWH? If you have the key, just follow what it says & go forward.
          That’s not what Forrest said but I believe the word that is key is more important than HOB.
          I’m not sure if it’s the right person, but the one that listens good & may have tried to wear his shoes. Either way someones going to have the key, some day.
          Your solve works well with the poem I think & don’t forget that the word that is key may put you in the area where you have a directional choice.

          • Jake…
            Been working with this key two years…To me it is a component that is necessary for solving clues 1 & 2…For me it named a location to go to…No denying what it says IMO…It’s right there in front of everyone too…Finding it?… AYE, there’s the rub!…

            And I think you are right, just follow what the poem says to do…It is more instructional than directional in finding clues 1 & 2…This will give you the location to go to, there you can work on clue 3…

            Went there last summer, didn’t get it right for clues 3 – 9, or I wouldn’t be posting…Can’t say how many I think I may have right though… Trying to make a trip again this year for one more grab at that banana…Then it’s FINI for me…Health getting bad, just getting old…

            FYI, for me WWWH and hoB aren’t at all what they are considered by most to be…Totally different way of looking at them from my perspective…I can’t even see a darned box from where I stand… 🙂

            E-mail me if you wish to step out of your box…


  113. ff has said that there are (at least) 9 clues in the poem, and admits hints are in the Thrill Book, but IMO he has cleverly placed hints in the poem as well, in fact the first stanza may not be a clue but may well be a big HINT or several hints. Repeat the first 4 lines, then imagine the last stanza’s 4 lines, could it be these are hints, and few people understand the difference until they find a solve? ff has stated IMO that his intentions are not to mislead, and said that each clue moves you closer to the TC also he would not recommend leaving out words or phrases as unimportant.

    If imagination is more important than knowlege (knowledge) as ff printed on his bronze bells and jars, in his early attempts to express what has now evolved into the TC time capsule concept, and since the natural evolution of beginning this quest for ff was to say that “Hey I was here” so “Don’t forget me” that became his mantra and his poem and memoirs book express it just like a map, a puzzle and our challenge to solve.

    In my solution I focused on finding differences between hints and clues, clues mainly being directions of a geographical nature, some natural, and some man made, but it is the definitely the word HINT on line 4 which reveals the subtle whispers I wish to be in tight focus with, incorporated in the poem. It is a lot more difficult to distinguish hints in the Thrill Book although two come to mind only because of my solve.

    This approach eliminates the possibilities of finding say 12 clues (or more) in the poem, and having to decide which is clue/hint, I believe everyone is struggling to separate out and define.

    Tom T

    • An example of a hint: IMO it ain’t no clue here

      1) riches new and old.
      2) worth the cold.
      3) too far to walk
      4) brave and in the wood

      The Jury is still out on whether Wise and found the Blaze is an actual clue of a hint, can anyone guess why?

      Tom T

        • Very astute observation, Musstag because you now are seeing the un-neccessary words like “Drawing” “As” so replace the word Blaze with Place and when you arrive at “Just heavy loads and water high” you are (wise) cause that is the place where the TC rests, at or near Heavy Loads and water high. To find the exact spot will require some hints that might well be described in his final stanza, worth the cold and brave and in the wood.

          Now do you believe that ” Just heavy loads and water high are man made”?

          Wood is not man made but it can be used by an architect or craftsman to construct something, like a coffin, a building, furniture etc.

          Is the word “Just” even necessary? Or is it placed there because of “There’ll be no paddle up your creek” So “just” walk, float, fly, drive or some other form of transport?

          It seems ironic that no one has ever asked him if there were hints in his poem along with the 9 clues.

          Also would it be necessary to translate some of the clues or hints into English?

          I say this simply to illustrate a word like madera which means wood in Spanish.

          Tom T

  114. Every map must have Key, a legend

    “Legend” implies that its entries are generics, as with terrain types on a map, while “key” implies that its entries are specific, as with one symbol designating the Museum of Natural History, another the Metropolitan Museum of Art, etc. Generally, nobody is going to get real mad no matter which you use. It doesn’t matter where they’re located.

    A map key or legend is included with a map to unlock it. It gives you the information needed for the map to make sense. Maps often use symbols or colors to represent things, and the map key explains what they mean. Map keys are often boxes in the corner of the map, and the information they give you is essential to understanding the map. Symbols in the key might be pictures or icons that represent different things on the map. Sometimes the map might by colored or shaded, and the key explains what the colors and shades mean.

    As I have said before, IMO the word that is key, is not unlike the description above for legend vs key on any map, simply put clues and hints, but the poem does not use the word CLUE however the word “hint” is at its beginning just like a real map, it is the Key, so look at it this way, if your child has been asked a tough question and cannot figure out the answer, whisper a hint to them and watch how well hints work. Check out page 23 thru 26 in the Thrill Book.

    If the poem is truly a mapped pathway to the TC then why would this not help us unlock it? the problem and struggle of deciding which are clues and which are hints, may have enormous benefits once we have a solve, ff’s stated his intention is not to mislead, all clues solved move us closer, and the key is understanding the difference between a clue and a hint.

    Tom T

    • Hey Tom — that’s a good thought you have there. I wondered if you considered Fenn’s Map and it’s color codes in relation to words in the poem? There are many words that refer to color.. and specifically the colors on his map (gold, blaze, cold, tarry, water, etc).

      In regard to hints in the book.. IMO there is huge one that everyone is missing. Could be a bombshell. Fenn spells it out following the poem.

    • Tom, I too had a color thing going , mainly purple. The inside cover has the I.D .card with a sliver of a purple stamp. The band “Deep Purple” , on the “Perfect Strangers” CD (1985), has 2 songs that relate, “Thrill of the Chase” and “Gypsy Kiss”. What are the odds of that ? Forrest has never brought it up, and no one on the blog besides me has mentioned it. But I was also connecting purple with Easter and the spring equinox. Priests wear purple. I was all exited as the cattle guards at my spot are all different colors as reference points, one was purple but it never panned out. Just a thought for you !

    • Debi, if brevity would solve this poem myself or someone would have found it long ago, not have to wait 5 years and 29 hunts. But just like a hole in one in golf, much of it is exercising your thoughts, and actually going looking, so ff has said that the person who solves this will have earned it, have read the Thrill Book and the poem over and over.

      Tom T

    • “Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key. The treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated.”

      • With respect to the “word that is key”, IMO, it appears to be “deliberately placed”, and is thus IMO likely to be in the poem itself, and not just one of the hints in the book.
        “Have flashlight, will travel”

    • Pandora, do you actually read what you write?

      I do not think you have answered your last post, so unless Goofy is asleep at the wheel or Dal is dozing you are getting away with murder??

      Did you actually say ff worked for RR and that Raynolds quote wow, did you not cite your provenance? You have to back up your claim?? Right? pdenver and I want to know??

      Tom T

    • Do you mean reve? (dream). Dream Lake, Bierstadt Lake at RMNP. What Bierstadt painting do you think it refers to?… or simply brown beer town?

  115. can anyone point me to where is the archives page is to this topic? thank you.

    • Leigh, this is a relatively new topic so this is the only page on this topic so far.

      • oh thanks so much goofy. i was looking for something that was at the end of a thread, (i thought it was this one) before it started anew. will keep looking.

  116. Again, in my opinion, in the quote Forrest made as usual was meticulously worded. The “key” word is needed to understand the poem, but he never said that “the word” was IN the poem. WH is key. And WHY is “it”. I will let you all figure it out from there . Looking forward to meeting everyone next weekend in Hyde Park. I’m off tonight at 6:00 from Seattle…and please everyone, drive safe….Peace.

  117. “Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”
    I think the word that is key is nigh 😉
    Not near, not close, but far away.

    • I like your thoughts Jake. I’m leaning towards perspective as in step back and take it in perspective… Look at the big picture.

    • That is what I have been saying Snowman. But my word is whiskey. WH is KEY. But Y is IT. …..IT ALL PLAYS INTO WIT, or “WHIT”. In my solve that I outlined to most everybody at the Fennboree, (Hi Everybody !)….I.M.O.wordplay is how you answer the clues. Put that Y in front of Taos. YTaos, or white house, “casa blanca”. YTrust, White Rust. YPuppy?

  118. “I give you title”

    Title = the name given to something (such as a book, song, or movie) to identify or describe it

    Title = Indulgence ?

    Indulgence = something that is done or enjoyed as a special pleasure

    • @Pandora – not sure if you’re inviting additional comments… apologies if not. I see how you’re linking title and enjoyment, and I can particularly relate to the music angle.

      I like Alpha Omega as the title to the gold records because of piracy and bootlegging (bootlegged music), ΩΩ, and the walking path that is created on Google Earth if following the instructions and starting at Ramona Falls. The path creates what looks like ΩΩ symbols by the end, landing in Strawberry Fields. There are definitely lots of godwinks driving my interpretations of the poem.

  119. Hello all – first time poster here 🙂

    I believe “treasures” (emphasis on the plural) is the key word. Forrest has mentioned that “[…] that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.”

    I don’t think it’s unreasonable that Fenn moved two, separate caches during his trip to hide the treasure. One trip to move the chest and its contents; the other trip to move something else entirely. I’m not suggesting that he moved two chests, but rather, that he moved one chest AND some other item of importance to the solve, valuable or not.

    The structure of the first stanza seems rather conducive to the idea. Let’s take a look…

    As I have gone alone in there
    And with my treasures bold,
    I can keep my secret where,
    And hint of riches new and old.

    The lines here seem to me to suggest two, separate caches. Riches new AND old. The contents of the chest seem to fit uniformly into a singular category of “old.” Perhaps even into “new,” depending on the context of the comparison (ex: the chest and it’s contents, hidden near a 20,000 year old gold vein, would be relatively “new”).

    The AND beginning the second line also seems to suggest two trips; one trip made alone, and one trip made with treasures bold.

    At one point, Fenn suggested giving the poem to a child. I believe that this could be because a child doesn’t have the same preconceived ideas of sentence structure that an adult learns over time and experience. For example:

    “I’m going shopping with friends and at the mall.”

    An adult might look at this statement and, through experience, see the two actions as related; the speaker seems to be saying that they will be shopping with friends at the mall. However, that’s not necessarily true. From the perspective of a child, or someone without the same preconditioning as an adult, this statement could mean “I’m going shopping *somewhere* with friends; then, I’m going shopping at the mall.” Both are perfectly acceptable interpretations; however, most adults, from experience, would see the first interpretation as more viable than the second.

    So! To those reading who believe that the above idea might be plausible: has anyone considered what a second cache brought to the hiding space might be?

    • All,

      I still believe he took “a” chest in there first, sometime in 2003, then the contents in 2010.

      Time stamp: 14:40

      in this video he says that it was “15 years from the time I got cancer to the time I hid the treasure chest, 15 years”

      1988-2003 15 years.

      So he leaves just “a” chest in his “secret” spot for nearly 7 years as a placeholder and in that time no one “stumbles” upon it and he knows this because maybe he left his autobiography “in there” for whoever may have found it in those 7 years.

      “As I have gone alone in there,”

      The “I” is his autobiography.

      “And with my treasures bold,”

      Second trip sometime in 2010 Forrest then returns with the 265 gold coins, ruby emeralds, etc etc.. and places them in “the” chest in his now confirmed “secret” spot and then publishes TTOTC. Game on.

      Now everyone seems to argue this little theory and that is fine, again it doesn’t change the location but it does lend credibility to the fact the he knows it to be secret.

      “I can keep my secret where,”

      Key word can, he now knows the place is secret, and there are only two places where his secret is kept; in his mind and in the poem.

      “And hint of riches new and old.”

      The book contains the poem, so the “where” that he keeps his secret and hints of riches new and old is the book. Riches new and old are the places that the clues refer too.

      “The clues did not exist when I was a kid but most of the places the clues refer to did. I think they might still exist in 100 years but the geography probably will change before we reach the next millennia.”f


      • All,

        Do you not see the rhetorical question in that line, write it out completely, it is hidden when written in poetic rhyme.

        “I can keep my secret where, and hint of riches new and old.”

        Look up rhetorical question.

        Are there others hidden within the poetic form and punctuation of the poem?

        Think and analyze.


      • Interesting theory Seannm…The only problem is that ff said that he made two trips and it was all done in one afternoon.
        Other than that, I really like your thinking.

    • Everything I write is in my own opinion.

      I have long thought there were two “treasures” and/or chests. This would explain why some searchers believe Mr. Fenn has provided contradictory information. What could be true of one, may not be true of the other. IMO, they are together, and you can’t find Indulgence without finding the other. I do have a very specific idea on what the “second cache” might be, but that is a result of my own pondering. Half the thrill of this chase is letting our minds wander into ideas and possibilities and what ifs. So go enjoy exploring this rabbit hole.

  120. Getting back to the theme of this thread – What is the Key Word….

    I wood tell you if I could, but wood you understand why I chose it?

    Just a thought and opinion


      • I wasn’t trying to be a traffic cop, I just wanted to talk about the key word, and this was the place.

        Sorry if I offended you.


          • solve the first clue and you will have your answer, and JD there is no such thing as a free lunch, figure it out its in the first stanza.

          • I was not afraid to tell you what my key word was, so I just asked what your was. Nope, NO FREE LUNCH, and we all choose to share what we choose to share.

            I HAVE solved the first clue, and NO it didn’t give me the key word, but obviously your solve of the first stanza gave you yours. Confrats.

            Take care and TRY to STAY SAFE


          • Silentfly;

            I will not get “catty” with you, so I too will wish you a nice vacation.

            I am confident that my treck will be VERY rewarding, and then you can nibble on the kitty kibbles.


    • Mr. Fenn said only a few are in tight FOCUS with a word that is key

      1. the center of interest or activity.
      “this generation has made the environment a focus of attention”
      synonyms: center, focal point, central point, center of attention, hub, pivot, nucleus, heart, core, cornerstone, linchpin, cynosure
      “schools are a focus of community life”

      2. the state or quality of having or producing clear visual definition.
      “his face is rather out of focus”
      synonyms: focal point, point of convergence

      We think BROWN is this key word or linch pin.

  121. Think of the poem as a word finder. There is one word that appears in the poem 9 times, that gets you going. That will help you find WWWH, and you can build off of that using the poem, and stories in the book.
    You really have to nail down what the poem is telling you, in many different ways. But there is a word in there, that can describe the end and the beginning. Thus helping you figure out the middle. I.E. Forrest Fenn.

    • How can “AND” help me find wwwh? Sorry, I just do not get the connection. How does “AND” describe the end AND the beginning?…Thus helping me figure out the middle. HELP!


      • JD, I am speaking of another word that is key. It is hidden in the poem. AND is obvious, but Fenn said the finder will have to earn it. Looking at just the top surface of the poem, is nice, but there is also, so many different ways to look at it, and get answers. Look at the poem, as like, a good and evil. Or the internet, and the deep web. There is more information in the deep web, that doesnt surface through a regular search engine. Not that its harmful or anything, but sometimes, it is purposely designed that way, for an unknown benefit.

        Take each line of the poem, and look for different words that will make sense to the theme of the poem.
        That is where to start. That is what I did, and I am still using it til this day to find meanings in the poem.

        There is an indefinite amount of imagination, that was entered into that poem. Use it.

        • You said that,”There is one word that appears in the poem 9 times,”

          AND appears 9 times.
          “I” appears 7
          “IT” appears either 6 or 7 – I forget which.

          No other word other than “AND” appears 9 times…so where do we go from here?

          Just a thought.


          • JD, there are numerous words that appear in the poem, you just have to find them. That is why I suggested that you look at each line of the poem, and find words that make the theme of the poem. The letters are going to be mixed up.. But there is still a word in there somwhere. Dig deeper..

            Example. The word “one” appears in the first line. Get my drift>?

          • Forrest said, “Don’t mess with my poem.” so I am not about to scramble and unscramble HIS words looking for clues. HIS words are hard enough to comprehend and decipher.

            Good luck in your search Hammertine.


          • JD,

            Do you know exactly what Fenn meant by not messing with the poem? Are their certain guidelines that intel “messing with”? Or do you just go off of your own hunch?
            Seems like another indefinite definition from Fenn.

            Appreciate it. Good luck to you as well

    • IMO, cold is the key word. I believe f hints at this in his very first story in TTOTC.

      – THO

  122. line 5: Begin … & … Halt. Halt could describe lame… waters that limp along, starting and stopping as supply permits….. like in irrigation acacias.

  123. I think the confusion of when he hide the TC & contents can be explained by not counting the time he was considered having cancer under treatment. Cancer treatments can take a while to complete & for doctors to clear someone of cancer. We think 7 yrs is not too long of a gap. We don’t see him placing TC in the area 15 yrs after the diagnostic but waiting another 7 to write the book with the clues. It is confusing and maybe if we asked would clarify the statement.
    Also Mr. Fenn clearly said he made two trips in one afternoon.
    The key word we think is BROWN. For us it’s not a fish, human, or a named place like a Brown canyon.
    WWWH and HoB in our IOHO have to be concrete ideas that can be proven and not something that can be debated. What I mean by this is you can debate if the map in the fish guide is WWWH but the map itself is concrete item set down as a fact or a guide that is concrete. It can be debated if is the right WWWH but not that is exist. Mr. Fenn does archaeology work so he knows if you are going to tell someone something is a fact you have to have something concrete to back it up.
    We don’t know when they started publishing the map but it was a concrete idea for a long time and is our WWWH.

  124. Everyone – This one is fun,…you MUST admit:

    E* on July 13, 2016 at 6:39 pm said:

    Donna M – I just thought of another good Homophone,…which belongs on the Key Word thread also,…so I’ll paste it there. I was looking at some of these online when I was doing my:

    AAaaarrrgghhh! That Looks Like Gardiners Island! Solve

    The word that is ‘key’ could be ‘cay’!:

    This is Treasure Cay in the Bahamas:

    What do you think?

    • @E* – haven’t seen you around these parts in a good bit. Just lurking or have you completed the Fenn cycle of try, fail, try, fail, try, wtf?

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