Forrest Gets Mail – 9

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In this email from Forrest to a journalist in Italy, Forrest answers some questions you may have been wondering about yourself. 

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Are there signs that people are getting closer to solving your puzzle?  How many clues have people solved now?
Searchers have come within about 200 feet. Some may have solved the first four clues, but I am not certain.

You have told people to stay at home unless they have solved the first clue.
If you don’t know where you are going any trail will take you there.

Do expect that people will somehow *know* for sure once they have found the first clue?
No, many people have found the first clue but they didn’t know it. Until someone finds  the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.

Or they might have found it without realizing it?
Yes

Is it an advantage to buy The Thrill of the Chase and Too Far to Walk?
There are hints in my TTOTC book that can help solve the clues in the poem.

We don’t have sagebrush here.  Is it a nice smell or a strange smell?  Does it smell like the herb? 
Sagebrush has a nice aroma that lasts a long time if you take a cutting home and let it dry. I used to put twigs in letters to clients hoping the smell will remind them, and lure them back to my art gallery. Please tell Italy hello. I love your country and its people.

 

214 thoughts on “Forrest Gets Mail – 9

  1. This comment is interesting….

    “Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.”

      • I’m just trying to figure out which one of these two quotes to follow:

        “Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.”

        OR

        “The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with confidence. Nothing about it will be accidental.”

        Seems to be a little contradictory.

        • I am new to all of this. I just got to this page and thought the same exact thing. His most recent statement makes me just want to quit since it implies/states that first clue is ambiguous enough to select or dismiss.

          • TWS –

            Welcome and as for what I would do – is go with the first statement he made.

            I do believe when you find where to start you will know you are right……

            I don’t know but some have said here – he gets grouchy – maybe he has had it with all us searchers ?

          • In this latest Interview ff has now stated PERHAPS 4 clues instead of 2 maybe solved , and since he has stated before, and I paraphrase;

            ” There are many places in the Rockies where warm waters halt”.

            So also ff says that each clue you solve moves you closer to the TC. I try to imagine the most general description you can possibly have for WWWH, and that is truly the most broad interpretation for this thought, the place where cold water starts, so recall that ff was a pro fishing guide, and if you check the various Game and Fish proclamations in each of the 4 remaining states, you have completely covered www halt and cold water regulations begin. Now you have for all intents and purpose surrounded in vast net the entire mountain range.

            This could be the first clue and is widely accepted and endorsed by Dal and many other bright searches. IMO if anyone thinks that Hot Water is where you start you may as well play Canasta,…Just sayin.

            The next clue, potentially the second in my humble, and is the only word (noun) which has only one meaning, most simply a canyon where www changes to cold water. In analyzing the canyon statement it seems to be narrowing from our most general area to a more specific area, so perhaps that is how you solve the whole enchilada as we say here in the Southern Rockies.

            Now the curious statement of not far, but too far to walk which took a whole book for ff to explain cannot possibly be a clue unless in line #20 he defines too far in no uncertain terms; I’ve done it tired and now I am weak. The only way I see this might be a clue is in terms of ff’s life and how it all will end.

            Therefore, again, just IMHO, the third clue is put in the (canyon stream) below the home of Brown, which is much more specific than the first two clues, is anyone with me so far?

            Now how do we find Home of BROWN which is most certainly in cold waters OR NEAR WHERE THEY START?

            I tried starting with the most famous Browns, as in humans, not THE fish, specifically the one ff might have admired So I thought of Molly Brown of Titanic fame because she was a resident of Leadville, Co, and the world class rafting of the Arkansas River through “Brown’s Canyon, below Mt Elbert, highest peak in the Rockies ” . Another famous person, Jim Brown who was perhaps the greatest football player of all time all pro for 9 straight years years set records for the NFL at Cleveland Browns Team, and there is a Cleveland, NM and perhaps a Cleveland, Co and maybe a Wyo and Mt for all I know.

            That clue has everyone stumped I think. If it were a Brown Trout I looked for the Sate Record fish and where it was taken, ie: in NM on the Chama River so if you think it is a fish, that would be where the Brown Trout call home. Often they live under rocks, and cut banks in cold waters. So HOB is the key to finding TC.

            Next is the place ff describes as not for the meek, which could mean wild and treacherous and since it is not Capitalized I do not think it is MEEK the mountain man of fame in early Yellowstone lore.

            The end is ever drawing nigh is a most curious clue since we are left wondering if it is the end of life, or a trail, a creek does it wander to the left which is also know as drawing nigh?

            Who would like to show me a more profound way to narrow the clues to a point where we may get to 200 or so feet from Indulgence…

            Tom Terrific
            tomterrific1947@gmail.com

            Good Luck and stay safe, it is snowing in the Rockies so we may talk through another winter…see you on the net..

        • in one of my email exchanges with f, I wrote:
          (this is from March of 2015)

          Over the years I have come up with many theories as to where the end of your rainbow is, as has every thrill chaser. I’m starting to wonder if I’d even recognize the correct one from the wrong ones in the off chance I figured it out. I know you said once that one would go with confidence… with all the possibilities, do you think it is possible to have the correct solution and not believe it?

          he wrote:

          Anything is possible, well, most everything. f

          what it means? i have no idea still, and i have no complete theories anymore. so many ideas. But I’m an architectural theorist. The answers are in the poem. My humble opinion.

    • Hey everybody, I’m new to this. I just noticed that one of the clues I thought existed is not on this site. Does anybody know if the treasure is wet year-round?

      • Hi Hazel,
        That’s a topic that has had much discussion, which I won’t attempt to summarize. My view reflects Forrest’s that you can’t hide from a thunderstorm in the mountains. So MY view is that it is wet on occasion. Some believe it is submerged.

        A good place to dig into the question is “the hidey space” discussion and archive. On the right side of the page(s), under the picture of the bald guy (who IS that?) is a SEARCH box. Try lots of different search “terms”. It searches only the discussion page you’re on if I recall correctly.

        If you get frustrated, I can just tell you where it is. Or not. 😉
        Joseph

      • Hi Hazel and Welcome,

        No one knows what he meant by the treasure being wet – if above ground then of course occasionally – and if below ground – most likely damp and wet. So, in my opinion a non clue………again. BTW there are some mountains called the Wet Mountains with a valley by the same name.

        • Look on you tube for forrest fenn and new mexico ad. I believe it is the “visit new mexico” ad.
          He says it there, but if you take the words as they are it does not actually tell you much considering the chest is outside somewhere. An inspiring video though to get you in the mood to search.
          Also, just a consideration…the rules/laws change on who can claim something found when it is buried or not. Possibly forrest didnt bury it to simplify any legal claims??? We wont know till its found. 🙂
          Good luck to you and enjoy!

          • ABW-

            IMO ..legally it doesn’t matter if it’s buried or not. The finder of the TC doesn’t have to claim they found it at all. They can just take it and go in peace. Or, if they want to claim their find, they only need to say it was found in a hollow in a tree or under some brush or what ever thy want to say,. Who’s going to know any difference? No one will know but the finder! So any legal issue is mute if the finder is smart enough to know the law or hire an attorney to help. The IRS is a different matter and if you don’t know the tax law you should get a tax attorney.

            Good luck!

          • Excellent points Ritt. I am no lawyer, i just get info from articles and such…

            “If this treasure is buried, you would need to dig for it. And you can’t dig anywhere in a national forest without a permit,” said Bruce Hill, spokesman for the Santa Fe National Forest. “Even if it is not buried and it is just placed somewhere it becomes public domain.”

            This seems to be a topic of great contention. The legality of such things becomes so complicated when money is involved. I bet the arguments would sound different if the item were a worthless piece of paper or trinket like in “a treasures trove”

            Forrest talked a little about it in his cbs sunday morning interview…you tube has it. It will be very interesting to watch how that plays out once someone finds it!

            Great advice from you to hire someone who knows the law. That would be wise! Maybe you will be lucky enough to have such a cunundrum! 🙂

          • Ah, you are familiar with that chase! I must admit, I wouldnt have found any of those tokens… Yes, i was referring to the tokens. 🙂
            My favorite of the contrived chases (besides this one of course) was the masquerade.

            I decided to familiarize myself with as many of these kinds of things as I could. Get my brain in the right state.

            (my favorite jewel was the beetle but the grasshopper was also beautiful!) 🙂

      • Year round I don’t believe was said just that it’s wet I think he said whet which means object of desire which it is so it is whet imo

    • Then, it’s a contidicting to say the person will walk with confidence to the treasure, it won’t be til they…er, I find it!
      It’s a twisted trail F weaves…!

      • Hello, Donna. “Oh, what a tangled web we weave…” LOL! It is definitely Forrest’s party and he can laugh if he wants to. There’s no arguing that. If he’s weaving a trail then maybe it’s related to his giant ball of string when he was younger.

    • I listen to Indian Jones music everyday and do some research..lol! I’ve got my dots and T’s along with my creativity ready…Really, I’ve got a bunch of possible starting points, but who knows… Man the places I’ve already found and seen online is amazing! I need the exploration. Montana and Wyoming are breathtaking!…I used to explore when I was just a kid! It’s happening again! I hope this goes on forever!
      Don’t give it away Fenn…no more clues! 🙂

  2. Hmmmm So is it that some of the searchers who have come within 200 feet may have solved the first four clues or is it two completely separate groups?

  3. My favorite dish in Emilie-Romagne? Pumpkin-filled tortellini in SAGE butter.
    The home-made sparkling strawberry wine was also awesome. Maybe I could get back there someday, if I solved some more clues…

    • Ain’t that just like a beautiful woman? To spray perfume on a letter before she mails it…knowing he is far away and it will drive him crazy? Some ladies effortlessly turn teasing into an art form. Is it heartfelt or heartless? The jury is still out. 🙂

  4. I wonder if Forrest is pleased with the thought that someone might have solved several of the clues, or if he is surprised. Maybe surprised that it took this long, or maybe surprised that it did not take longer. Of course, it sounds like there are still several clues to go, so it can be awhile yet.

  5. Well ok, my head is spinning. I can’t speak for everyone but it seems like for a lot of searchers clue number four would be “home of Brown”. I would be surprised if anyone, including myself, has gotten that clue correct. That seems like a defining “hey I’m at least in the correct state” kind of clue. I’m at a loss. I’ll tell ya, if this whole thing wasn’t so fun…

    • Well, if one of the clues the searcher got right was HOB, (F said if he told what HOB was we’d walk right to the chest), I guess they walked by the chest, again, not recognizing the importance of where they were at.
      I wonder if this is a situation where someone emailed the solve, and never put boots on the ground. F said they MAY HAVE solved the first four clues, but he wasnt certain.
      Could F possibly be referring to Brigg’s solve? Guess we won’t know til it’s found!

      • Donna, like your comment – MAY HAVE just like possibly, CAN, could — in advertising, these are called Weasel Words. They are in ads because they really do not commit to a claim; however, the viewer interprets the ad as it DOES commit to a claim because the latter serves the viewer’s desire(s) and so it HAS to be true. Good catch on whether or not some solved the first four clues!

  6. 2013 was ok, 2014 much better, 2015 had some high points and 2016 has a lot to aspire to. It’s always fun to read others ideas here online.

  7. when my husband and I went to glenwood springs,co.we went on an ATV trip in glenwood canyon .from bottom all the way to the top.and sage was everywhere.I got some pieces in my hand for my husband to smell.it smells so good.its a nice calming effect.the aroma around all that sage was something else.great.would be great to have some growing in my yard.HI,mr. forrest.

      • Hello, Deb. I absolutely love Russian sage. I have a few dwarf Russian sage plants growing in my flower bed in the front. You’re right about the bees. Bees love those purple flowers. They are fun to watch. The first time I ever saw a metallic green sweat bee was on that Russian sage. It left an impression in my mind that I’ll never forget. I had to run inside the house to see if there was really such a thing as a metallic green bee. It was obviously not a wasp or a fly. Sure enough! Nature is beautiful.

        http://www.billjohnsonbeyondbutterflies.com/index.php#mi=2&pt=1&pi=10000&s=2&p=20&a=0&at=0

        • Sage is an interesting herb. Not a spice. 🙂
          And many varieties, including azure, and white, and the kind that treats flu symptoms.
          Here is the “medicinal hint” I asked for in the comments of Jeremy’s post.
          Sage, IMO, means wise…

      • Deb, I take the warning – however, husband loves bees and my absolute favorite honey in the world is Sage Honey. I use to get it from a farm in Ventura CA until the drought took out the sage for the bees. Miss it beyond measure. Do the bees near you produce honey? Yum beyond measure!

        • Yes the bees produce honey. There is a local honey called “high desert” that has sage notes in it. Its from flowers found in the high desert.
          Many people believe you can use local honeys to help the body get adjusted for allergies to plants in the area.

  8. All I can say is “Woohoo!” and also “Dang it.” I recently told F I thought I had four clues solved, but I had two sets of four clues, in two completely different areas, with two separate starting spots. Now I don’t know which one is right. Assuming I am one who may have gotten four clues right, which I’m wisely cautious about assuming.

  9. ” Do expect that people will somehow *know* for sure once they have found the first clue?
    No, many people have found the first clue but they didn’t know it. Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue ”

    To me (and it may just be the way I’m reading it) this is the polar opposite of when he said ..paraphrasing…” it is possible, once solved correctly, to walk directly to the treasure “with confidence”, how would you be able to do that unless you knew previously you had the right solve??

    • The emphasis on *Know* is simply saying until you find the trove, All you have is confidence… the proof is in the pudding, so to speak. Many folks have been so confident, they have spent tens of 1000’s $ looking in different states, I guess the real question is, what is confidence to you?

      IMO searcher have found the first two clues by what and where they told fenn in e-mails / conversations. The same can be said for the four clues as well. Also IF Fenn occasional reads a blog, he may see someone talk about what A clue refers to. Does this mean that person *Knows* or even knows what the clues refers to?

      The other part of the question and answer is; “Or they might have found it without realizing it? Yes”

      Fenn has also stated folks have found the first two clues by aberrations and never knew it, and went by the other seven clues.

      IMO… what this tells me after reading as many of the comments, statements, Q&A’s i could find on these is… No one knows they had the clues, only they were at the correct location [ because fenn knows] , AND without knowing why they are there or the significance of the clue/ location they are just sightseers.

      Confidence is having a complete solve that you feel can’t be dissected and should lead straight to the chest. Knowing if retrieving the trove.

      Just my thoughts.

      • SEEKER wrote:
        “IMO… what this tells me after reading as many of the comments, statements, Q&A’s i could find on these is… No one knows they had the clues, only they were at the correct location [ because fenn knows] , AND without knowing why they are there or the significance of the clue/ location they are just sightseers.”

        Bad as I hate to say it: Absolutley, one-hundred percent correct!! 🙂

        Any searcher who puts the time and effort into reading/listening to all the past statements by Fenn, on this subject, will definitely conclude the same thing

        • Locolobo, IMO sound good. What if one of the searchers/people were thought to be sightseers in 2013 Nov 2 and really was a searcher who really knew but was on a tight schedule and just wanted BOG and kept rather quiet about the location and “sightseeing” pictures. Only to return to continue on the remaining clues. No one asked if one searcher returned to the “significance of the clue”. and he did not speak upon that.

      • I dunno Seeker. This comment about the four clues seems a little different than his comment about the first two clues and finding them by aberrations.

        That is, he is “not certain” if they’ve solved it. Someone out there has been within 200 feet of the treasure and he didn’t follow that with a statement about not being certain that 8|9 clues may have been solved.

        • Jeremy,

          So if he is not certain if they solved it, where did he get the information? Did a searcher actually email him a partial solve? Or – did he read a searcher’s post on one of the blogs?

          Who would email a partial solve? Perhaps someone emailed, “the 4th clues is X, and I’m pretty sure I know the rest.”?

          If he is not sure, then that must mean the searcher’s complete solve was not shared.

          Scott W

          • It’s a great question and I was thinking along the same lines. There’s a lot of ways he could get the information other than email, but it sounds like wherever it came from there’s something missing in it.

          • Scott, maybe some searchers send him emails similar to ones I’ve sent where I say something about what I think HOB is or Water High, which are in the middle of the poem and one of them could be the 4th clue.

        • Exactly. Not certain is another variation of a Weasel Word or a non-committed phrase. It is getting to the point that anything said that contains such words and phrases may be dismissed totally. Not certain, been within, maybe (Briggs).

        • Perhaps, he was waiting for a more compiled email before speaking further. I, for one and probably not the only one, have sent a few short emails about some of the clues – finally sent him a compiled email of all 9.

      • Seeker, I agree. That’s why when I blog one of my ideas, and some people respond saying in their opinion, it’s wrong, or doesn’t add up, I ignore their opinions. If I took to heart their opinions, and didn’t believe in my solve, I’d have no confidence!

  10. To Confirm the above, I found this:
    “I warned that the path would not be direct for those who had no certainty of the location beforehand, but sure for the one who did.”

    Seems a contradiction to me, can someone S’plain me?

    • I think he’s just talking about himself. He’s the only one who has certainty of the location beforehand. None of the rest of us do despite what we may think.

    • @ Danny-boy,
      I can only explain from my point of view what I believe FF means by that and I’ll use my upcoming search as an example. When I go looking for it I will go straight to the spot I believe it to be with confidence. If (most likely) it’s not there I’ll lose that feeling of certainty and will probably wander around and up a few more creeks in that area. Hope that helps 🙂

          • Unfortunately for me i will have to include myself in the wrong but confident group….dang it!

        • Too true Cloudcover! There are soooooo many that post on the blogs that everyone else is wrong about their interpretations of the clues and that they are the only ones who are right and have supreme confidence – but they haven’t found the chest either. 🙂

          • We are all correct and incorrect at the same time until the bronze is found 🙂 Schrodinger’s cat! Sometimes I feel like that cat….poor cat.

          • Confidence comes not from always being right but from not fearing to be wrong.

            The greatest obstacle to discovering the truth is being convinced you already know it.

          • Q1werty2 and Goofy, then does “confidence” mean “brave”? Could it be that: If you are “confident” and in the wood…. Brave continued to be a concern. IMO I think you “nailed” it. I’ll tweet my ‘solve’.

          • Goofy, IMO you hit the nail on the head when you said/quoted, “The greatest obstacle to discovering the truth is being convinced you already know it.”

            I find myself doubting myself a lot concerning possible solves or scenarios concerning solves.

            At least with an algebraic problem and solution, there are usually checks you can run to confirm your answer. In this hunt, the only way to confirm whether or not you know the truth of the solve is to put boots on the ground.

            5 inches of snow in Flagstaff reported on the news today, so this season is coming to a close pretty quick. I’d be very surprised if anyone claiims the prize this year. Not saying never, but winter is coming.

            Even in the last statement I find myself questioning my sanity, as when I jumped into the fray back in the middle of the summer I was sure it would be found this year – how hard could it be?

            I’m older and wiser now – well, at least older and more experienced on many things Fenn.

    • Danny-boy, I really don’t see a contradiction. Everyone has a different degree of “confidence” to start with. If someone has little or no confidence, they probably will never make a search even though they may be clever enough to have figured out all of the clues.

      At the other extreme, you have the blustery, ego inflated folks who are so arrogant that they lecture everyone on how they have solved the whole shebang EVEN when they return home empty handed after a search. It takes a huge, confidence laden ego to proclaim that the chest WAS where they looked but is not there now for some inexplicable reason…

      The rest of us mere mortals are somewhere in the middle. So the bottom line is to be confident enough to get off the couch, and to follow a path to the chest that makes sense to YOU. Have a list, check it twice, it’s ok to be a little naughty but always be nice, and go find it. Trust me, you will feel very confident if or when you find it.

    • It’s a good observation you make, Danny-boy. How can you move with confidence if you’ve solved the clues but not know your solution was right until you found the chest – given that the first clues is so critical and all? It’s another apparent Fenn contradiction and conundrum.

      And how is it that he can’t be certain if someone has solved the first four clues? He’s already said people have been close but didn’t know it, and that was back when only the first two clues had been solved. It would seem to rule out proximity as the reason for thinking people MAY have solved clues 3 and 4. So how could he think those clues may have been solved but still be uncertain?

      I think we have to conclude that the answers to his many apparent contradictions will only be understood by the one that solves this riddle or that Mr. Fenn has lost his mind, and I seriously doubt the latter.

      • Spoon, Agree he has not lost his mind. I like the way you stated the last paragraph above. Confidence for me ebbs and flows. To have confidence does not mean once you have it – it cannot be lost or reduce in strength. The contradictions will only be understood by the one that solves this riddle – wow – IMO it is true and it involves solving the riddle not just proven by holding a bronze chest, named Indulgence.

        • Hi Crow – good to hear from you. Regarding his statement about knowing for sure the first clue, I saw on ChaseChat where someone concluded that the “they” in the sentence referred not to the one that ultimately solves the poem/finds the chest, but rather to those that discovered the first clue without really knowing they had. I thought that was a clever take on that particular contradiction.

          • Hi Spoon, I don’t visit ChaseChat (time constraints). I suppose that would include a lot of people. It took until recently for me to identify what the first clue could be even with my solve in progress. I wrote my summary and then tried to identify the clues. IMO clue #1 gives state, #2 gives theme, #3 gives wwwh, #4 gives hoB.

  11. Be aware this might be a very clever play on words.

    If the original ‘nine clues’ are the lines of the poem starting with ‘Begin it where warm waters halt’, there are four lines before it.

    If some folks have solved the ‘first four’ clues, the trickster author might be referring to the clues of the first four lines, not the actual path created by the map instructions.

    • I think you have to be careful with that. Forrest says some have been with 200′ and some might have solved the first 4 clues. He doesn’t say they are the same.

      • Forrest always says “searchers” which is the same as hunters. So maybe treasure searchers have been where the first few clues start but only game hunters have actually been within 200 feet

        • All,

          Treasures, chest, trove and gold; these may all refer to the same thing, I.e. What we are searching for while also serving another purpose. Imo, might be hinting or verifying a location or clue.

  12. Go forth and find the treasure you guys Sounds simple correct? I truly believe the first lines are not to be ignored: As I go alone in there …. Is the starting point not : Begin it where warm waters halt….!! That is what have a lot of us confused. Still working on a place not too far from Santa Fe and lots of different things come together. Believe it is just simple enough to work and have requested a map but got no answer from person or persons involved….Maybe Forrest has something to do with that do not know…. Mind just racing and wanting to go to search the spot and scour the region and walk directly to the treasure. Oh come on now lets get it in gear people Christmas is almost here and we should all have at least one piece of the contents of that box to hang on the tree….Wouldn’t that be nice. Wandering mind again lots of locations and new thoughts piercing my brain. Need coffee more coffee. Lets remember guys and gals, to thine own self be true I wonder what Mr. Fenn is really true to! Himself or his wife and family or some other pursuit that has nagged him all of his life. His pursuit of finding artifacts and learning the history of them all and where and what they represent have shown him! His true passion is his digs and findings…His future resting place is among them, the special one; no one else knows about except possibly an old friend who has already passed on!! Where is it what is it… That is his true self being true to himself even in his afterlife leaving his bones scattered to share the secret along with an earthly treasure for someone to happen upon. Hey guys, Where is this place hidden among his already prized places in his life? Let’s all backtrack and go from there. As we go alone in there …. and you all know the rest. I found a new search spot so off to another adventure I go….. Can anyone guess where it is. Sounds promising and if financed soon I WANT TO GO CAN I GO? Go forth and find the treasure you guys lets get cracking before the cold winds begin to blow again….. See you all in the funny papers Continue the Chase MS GIRL out smelling the sage again………. Good Luck all you fellow pirates….

  13. Remember forrest said something about one major clue in the poem that people are missing. Not sure how he worded it. but there is a key word in there. Oh ya he said a “key word”. Last night I read the book and poem all over again. Still racking my brain! It new all over again. The message is to me anyway: Skip over the warm waters halting……..because lots of those. Use it later, after you find the more important clues. Right?

    Lou Lee Belle, been on the hunt many times. It snowed this morning….so well

    • I don’t know if this helps but you know a Clew/Klew is another word for “key” right? It’s actually where our current word “Clue” came from. F said only a few are in tight focus of “A” key word….maybe others are in tight focus of the other 8 key words? Since there’s 9 clues? And a “key word” is a clue? Maybe not. Just a thought.

        • Nice 🙂 I think a Clew is pretty much anything that contains hints. If only we knew something that contained “hints” we might have a clue to the “chest” or the “treasure” or maybe even the “take”. Jeez. If we had all three we might be at 3 clues solved. And it those Clues led to a page number in another book and we emailed F a picture of that exact page he’d probably assume we’d solved 3 clues but couldn’t be certain. We wouldn’t be certain we were correct ourselves until we had the chest either. But hopefully we’d be confident. I’m not saying it’s like the above example…but I am saying these SORTS of things explain go nothing could actually be contradicting. Especially if the “clues” in the poem are LITERALLY
          “Treasure”
          “Take”
          “Chest”
          “Cold”
          “Title”
          Etc.
          These nine words when solved explaining a book or painting or spot on map where the location bronze box is revealed….just confusing because there’s a real “chest” and “treasure” yet these WORDS are also clues in the poem. I don’t know what I’m saying, just babbling but it’s a TYPE of circumstance where there’s no doublespeak and someone cold have sent a strong suggestion of some clue solving (pic of page or whatever) yet didn’t send a solve or anything maybe just like a tease. I don’t know. All IMO.

          Or like Mindy posted she mailed him 2 solves…maybe the clues were there but he can’t be certain she knows it since she sent him 2 so she must not know which is right for CERTAIN until one led to the chest.

          Fortunately for everyone, “it’s only the last inch that counts” and if you need all nine you need all nine. 8 is no better than 3 or 6. IMO
          9 clues are all about the same location/place. Like nine ingredients in a muffin. You need em all. No eggs? No dice. IMO IMO IMO

    • Perhaps that ‘key’ word is clue #1 or clue #9. IMO I think I can find that key word that tells a major clue. Perhaps you can also after all, I think he said something about not all the words were needed but he would suggest that none of the words be discounted.

  14. Frustration…FF says “there are hints in TTOTC book that can help you solve the clues in the poem”. But he has previously said that these hints were “not deliberately put there. Everything you need to find the treasure is in the poem…”

    So which is it? Hints in TTOTC are important or they are just random and not intentionally put there? It can’t be both ways…or I guess it could be both ways but I’m getting frustrated and feel like I am being whipsawed back and forth between the book and the poem, both of which I can practically recite word for word by now…it apparently is true…nothing is too small to know…

    • I know what you mean, toughshed. I have had that same contradictory sensation, as it applied to other comments.

      On the book vs. poem, with one exception I have kinda discarded the book as a resource for clues; and zeroed in on the poem. The book is all over the place; any little thing might mean something, or it might not. At least with the poem you know you’re dealing with clues being a sure thing.

      Ken

  15. Dal,

    I believe I discovered the design deficiency when Peggy installed the skylight flat above the shower. Forrest led me to it. I have been doing my best untangling his clever butterflys and flutterbys ever since. Perhaps a little farther than 200 feet!
    What do you say Forrest? LOL.

    Demoman

      • As I stand facing True North, I use my right arm/hand and point West. Then I use my left arm and going over the top of the right arm I point to the East. Then I turn my right hand and point up, and with the left point down.

        Yup, now I feel and look like a pretzel and even more confused than before…..hehehehehe 🙂

        • Remember the Navajo Yei, who always is open to the East, because nothing evil can come from the East. Remember, F loved the sound of the steam engine, and it’s soothing sound came from the East in Gypsy Magic.

          • So now–nor foot-sore nor opprest
            With walking all this August day,
            I taste a heaven in this brief rest,
            This gipsy-halt beside the way.
            England’s wild flowers are fair to view,
            Like balm is England’s summer dew
            Like gold her sunset ray.
            Charlotte Bronte

  16. It must have been Santa that was the closest.
    Santa told me he took the treasure and hid it under a Radio Flyer Sled.

    Oh , darn it , Santa is playing games on all the girls and boys.

  17. In “Forrest Fenn quotes may provide additional clues” heading in my notes I have “Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key. The treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated.”

    Would it make any difference if we changed it to say “with a word that is clue”:
    Clue-Klew
    Klew-Key
    Key-Clue

    I think that the word that is key must be distinct from the clues. I am arguing with my self!… Are not ;^)

    • That’s why I was showing those definitions. I think it would. he didn’t say “the” word…he said “A” word. When you hear “key” I think it’s easier to think there’s only one whereas if you said “a few are in right focus with a word that’s A clue” one might not jump to conclusions thinking it’s one clue that unlocks the whole poem, just merely one clue word of several that it happens only a few are focused on. I don’t know. Just a thought on that word. Seems like many took “A” word to mean “tHe one and only” so I figured I’d throw it out there…see how it’s easier to hear the difference if you say “a few are in tight focus with a word that a clue” it’s easier to hear the A but both say the same thing.

  18. “Is it an advantage to buy The Thrill of the Chase and Too Far to Walk?
    There are hints in my TTOTC book that can help solve the clues in the poem.”

    So is he saying there aren’t any clues in the TFTW book? What about the unintentional clue? Hmmm???

    • spallies-
      He’s said before that TFTW has clues because the map is in that book.
      That remark sent folks running to the map with a magnifying glass and lemon juice to see what hidden clues they could uncover..

      I understood it to mean that the map is itself a clue since it visually narrows down the search area from how it had been delineated in earlier clues.

      • Dal,

        If you don’t mind… you posted this on Oct 2nd. You told Sherri, fenn did the e-mail interview on Oct 31st. May I ask when you receive and / or heard about the interview? Just a curiosity question…. thanks

        • Seeker-
          I received that material in an email from Forrest a couple days before I posted it. I did not post it immediately because there were other items that were being posted and I did not want to put up two new posts in one day…
          If I post more than one item the same day the most recent one gets all the attention, particularly if the last one is from Forrest. People tend to ignore the earlier post. I wanted to make sure every post got it’s due attention..
          So I asked Forrest if it was okay to delay posting his email for a day or two until the previous posts had an opportunity to be noticed and commented upon.
          I often delay the posting of material I get..sometimes because it will take some time to reformat the material for the blog and I am otherwise occupied with studio work or sometimes because I have a line-up of posts and I want to spread out their posting…and of course sometimes I simply forget that I have something until someone reminds me…

      • Hey Dal- have you seen Eric Sloanes Gremlin Americanus book? There’s actually 2 pages of “invisible ink gremlins” lemons? printed in invisible ink. I wonder how many actually ever had the cajones to reveal them and how many though it a joke. He does write that they’re printed like that though at the top of each page so at least people know which pages. Pretty neat to think printers did that even back then, eh? I thought it was pretty cool…

      • Dal, LOL you brought back very early memories with the lemon juice and the magnifying glass. What a treat and how ridiculous to think that the writing on a printed page would have the ability to reveal what we had to write ourselves on ordinary paper.

        • Crow- maybe dal will share the pics I just sent him…of the book Forrest’s buddy Eric printed in 1943 which actually DID so….setting a but of precedent. Not to be followed with lemon juice quite though. I posted how to show this with some other bits of UNIQUE knowledge like the SAGE and 2 other items in the postmarks the other day…but then I had to go back to my other invalid thoughts that nobody wanted to hear so I stopped sharing. I thought it was pretty cool myself…no need to share I was just trying to be nice. No drugs or alcohol required for this brand of crazy- it’s all real 😉

          • Good lord Jamie!!
            Now there will be a run on lemons at all the Piggly-Wigglys and Ralphs..
            No more lemon meringue pie for dal til after the holidays..

          • BLUEBERRY PIE! BLUEBERRY PIE!

            Ha!! Lemons can’t have ALL the fun…and I can’t reveal ALL my secrets…but I DID learn a lot from that Gremlins book myself…only about gremlins though…and paper/ink weight….and mysterious postmarks. Silly me.

          • Jamie,
            I like reading your posts. I am not sure what led you to think nobody wanted to hear your thoughts about the chase. You have a unique style of sharing and cool ideas/thoughts, refreshing.

  19. Sagebrush cuttings in the mail convinced my ancestors to move West. I don’t suppose they could have known that in 1968 it would get so cold (52 below) that apple trees actually exploded sounding like rifle shots one after the other. True story.

  20. Forrest, IMO you may want to relook at the art and perhaps make an offer before its value changes or someone else secures it first. The shopper season and month of November will quickly pass and before you know it, the 20th — Thanksgiving — the 26th will be the beginning of sales and buyer competition. A re-reading of the above, I could enjoy the story more. Stanley’s business is merchandizing (older term for marketing; older so commerce). It reminds me of many teachings in the field while I earned my first degree in business and distributive (marketing) education. My later education emphasized ethics in health care. I would not be comfortable ever taking advantage of a seller (thrift shops who are unaware of item values) or any owner of things they know they have or they don’t know yet. Shops and property owners should be made aware of possessions and not simply used and taken advantaged of and worse, mocked in the media about the “great deal” (boasting about duping) which really means unethical business yet letter-of-the-law legal dealings. Honesty, integrity, and ethics in my life play a greater role than hanging and displaying art acquired by taking advantage of someone or some entity. True art emotion comes with enjoying art and knowing the price paid was fair to seller and buyer. Reflection of principles makes it worth re-visiting things. Good luck with your gallery re-visit. all IMO

  21. In this latest Interview ff has now stated PERHAPS 4 clues instead of 2 maybe solved , and since he has stated before, and I paraphrase;

    ” There are many places in the Rockies where warm waters halt”.

    So also ff says that each clue you solve moves you closer to the TC. I try to imagine the most general description you can possibly have for WWWH, and that is truly the most broad interpretation for this thought, the place where cold water starts, so recall that ff was a pro fishing guide, and if you check the various Game and Fish proclamations in each of the 4 remaining states, you have completely covered www halt and cold water regulations begin. Now you have for all intents and purpose surrounded in vast net the entire mountain range.

    This could be the first clue and is widely accepted and endorsed by Dal and many other bright searches. IMO if anyone thinks that Hot Water is where you start you may as well play Canasta,…Just sayin.

    The next clue, potentially the second in my humble, and is the only word (noun) which has only one meaning, most simply a canyon where www changes to cold water. In analyzing the canyon statement it seems to be narrowing from our most general area to a more specific area, so perhaps that is how you solve the whole enchilada as we say here in the Southern Rockies.

    Now the curious statement of not far, but too far to walk which took a whole book for ff to explain cannot possibly be a clue unless in line #20 he defines too far in no uncertain terms; I’ve done it tired and now I am weak. The only way I see this might be a clue is in terms of ff’s life and how it all will end.

    Therefore, again, just IMHO, the third clue is put in the (canyon stream) below the home of Brown, which is much more specific than the first two clues, is anyone with me so far?

    Now how do we find Home of BROWN which is most certainly in cold waters OR NEAR WHERE THEY START?

    I tried starting with the most famous Browns, as in humans, not THE fish, specifically the one ff might have admired So I thought of Molly Brown of Titanic fame because she was a resident of Leadville, Co, and the world class rafting of the Arkansas River through “Brown’s Canyon, below Mt Elbert, highest peak in the Rockies ” . Another famous person, Jim Brown who was perhaps the greatest football player of all time all pro for 9 straight years years set records for the NFL at Cleveland Browns Team, and there is a Cleveland, NM and perhaps a Cleveland, Co and maybe a Wyo and Mt for all I know.

    That clue has everyone stumped I think. If it were a Brown Trout I looked for the Sate Record fish and where it was taken, ie: in NM on the Chama River so if you think it is a fish, that would be where the Brown Trout call home. Often they live under rocks, and cut banks in cold waters. So HOB is the key to finding TC.

    Next is the place ff describes as not for the meek, which could mean wild and treacherous and since it is not Capitalized I do not think it is MEEK the mountain man of fame in early Yellowstone lore.

    The end is ever drawing nigh is a most curious clue since we are left wondering if it is the end of life, or a trail, a creek does it wander to the left which is also know as drawing nigh?

    Who would like to show me a more profound way to narrow the clues to a point where we may get to 200 or so feet from Indulgence…

    Tom Terrific
    tomterrific1947@gmail.com

    Good Luck and stay safe, it is snowing in the Rockies so we may talk through another winter…see you on the net, and Thanks again to Dal for this great site.

      • Lou Lee,
        Since a person who knew HOB “would go right to the chest” it can’t be “too far to walk”. My (hemibel) guess for the distance from HOB to the chest: between 3 and 10 miles.

        By the way, I noticed that, in the email, (IMO) Forrest confirmed that the clue search is recursive; that is, that finding a later clue could help refine one’s notion of exactly what an earlier clue might be. For example, a person who finds clue number 7 could (IMO) possibly, as a result, realize that “home of Brown” isn’t really one of the clues.

        This (IMO) either makes things more simple, or more complicated.
        Geoff
        “Have flashlight, will travel”

        • Geoff,

          “Forrest confirmed that the clue search is recursive; that is, that finding a later clue could help refine one’s notion of exactly what an earlier clue might be.”

          this is interesting to me. what email are you referring to?

          I’ve been wondering about this lately- if the first 4 clues may or may not have been discovered, could, for example, 6 and 7 have been discovered and it not be known? if the clues are in consecutive order, does one have to find them in consecutive order?

          IMO there is a commonality in each of 9 clues. IMO that commonality is “a word that is key.” and I think what a “key” does is turn.

          • “Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.” (From the email above, of course.) This indicates to me that the search for the 9 consecutive clues is recursive.

            For example, a searcher may believe that he or she has discovered 7 of the clues, but (IMO) may well revise that tentative list of clues after searching for the following consecutive clue.

            So while the clues could possibly be FOUND out of order, IMO, the clues MUST be FOLLOWED in consecutive order to find TC. Thus, for example, it makes little sense to look for a blaze without first identifying the preceding clues. (Especially the first one.)

            With respect to “commonality”–
            Our (self and several kids) tentative identification of some of the clues does not seem to point to a “commonality” between the 9 consecutive clues, except to the extent that each clue that we have identified seems to have a dual meaning (perhaps both a literal and a figurative meaning, for example).

            I do, however, think that there is indeed a word that is key (but would prefer not to say which word, or why), and that (IMO) that word helps to simplify the search area so that solving this “complex verbal puzzle” becomes difficult rather than impossible.

            Did that muddy the waters sufficiently?

            Geoff
            “Have flashlight, will travel”
            (Checking the batteries for the next trip)

    • Tom, I agree with your detailed synopsis.
      I never thought HOB was fish, tho. Nor a person.
      I have figured out “the word that is key”, and used it to pull out a very “telling” sentence. Now, I know why F said, “Don’t mess with my poem!”.
      A new angle is required to view the poem and to open it’s secrets. I can’t say anymore than that.
      Thank you F, for that great clue!
      Good luck, all!

  22. On Certainty:

    You’re walking along on a familiar trail and you encounter a bridge over a deep ravine. Although it’s made of wood, it looks relatively sturdy. You recall that the first time you crossed it, you thought it looked sketchy, but you’ve crossed it countless times in the past and it’s always held up. You’re not really that concerned so you proceed with confidence.

    As a thought experiment: What reason do you have to be confident that the bridge will not collapse, causing you to fall to your untimely death? It’s certainly a possibility.

    There are, in fact, several ways we reason.

    One way is by using deductive reasoning. Deductive reasoning takes the form of premises that ensure an outcome. All human beings are mortal. You are a human being. Therefore, you must be mortal. The premises are both valid (they ensure the outcome) and sound (all premises are true). These sorts of reasonings are ones that we want to hold fixed in our minds when we make decisions (gravity, for example, is something we want to think about when deciding to cross the bridge). We vary other ones. Because the bridge seems sufficiently well constructed, we can be reasonably confident. However, being constructed well does not guarantee an outcome. Sturdiness is variable so We can not, then, claim certainty that we will cross the bridge unharmed. Deductive reasoning doesn’t help.

    Another way we reason is called inductive reasoning. Inductive reasoning (science) looks for evidence that will support a prediction of the outcome. We’ve crossed the bridge once. We’ve crossed it twice. We’ve crossed it countless times in the past. Each and everytime we crossed it, we remained unharmed. We have considerable evidence that if we try to cross it again, we will likewise make it across safe and sound. We can make a pretty good prediction about what would happen if we tried to cross the bridge, one that might give us the confidence we need. However, the Problem of Induction (it’s a thing, look it up) states that no matter how many times we cross that bridge, we can not conclude to an absolute certainty that it will not fail. Maybe this is the time it collapses. Maybe you’re just unlucky and your crossing coincides with an earthquake. We have a pretty good degree of confidence because we have a lot of evidence to support a safe crossing, but we can not guarantee it. Inductive reasoning does not yield certainty.

    The third way of reasoning is called abductive reasoning. It’s a fancy way of saying an educated guess. You can have a lot of confidence in your best guess, but there’s never any certainty. Sherlock Holmes is famous for his “powers of deduction”, but if you pay close attention most often he’s using abductive reasoning… and just happens to be right most of the time.

    Long story short, there are very few things can you be 100% certain of (things you hold fixed, while you vary others). Laws of nature, maybe, apply. Everything else comes with a degree of doubt, no matter how confident you are. People who act like they have complete confidence are either just acting, or are not aware of the odds stacked against them.

    Forrest Fenn’s comments on confidence and certainty, are completely consistent with how philosophy views knowledge claims. There are few ways one can be completely certain, no matter how confident you are. One of these few is holding the chest in your hands (although, even then, you might want to ask someone to pinch you to make sure you’re not dreaming).

    • “If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties.”

      • Craps player creed or what Goofy?! Where can a person find the link to the other F gets mail? Do they all have the same banner up above with Douglas Fairbanks date of death on the post mark? Not that I put any stock into those post mark, lol! Interesting to read up on Fairbanks, his father, Charles started what is now the American Bar Assoc.

  23. Hey Tom , Tried to post for you but there ways no reply on your post.

    Any way

    Indulgence
    the action or fact of indulging.
    “indulgence in self-pity”
    synonyms: satisfaction, gratification, fulfillment, satiation, appeasement; More
    antonyms: denial, withholding, moderation, restraint, strictness
    the state or attitude of being indulgent or tolerant.
    “she regarded his affairs with a casual, slightly amused indulgence”
    synonyms: tolerance, forbearance, understanding, kindness, compassion, sympathy, forgiveness, leniency, mercy, clemency, liberality
    “I ask for your indulgence”
    antonyms: severity, harshness
    a thing that is indulged in; a luxury.
    plural noun: indulgences
    “Claire collects shoes—it is her indulgence”
    synonyms: extravagance, luxury, treat, nonessential, extra, frill
    “they viewed vacations as an indulgence”
    antonyms: necessity
    2.
    historical
    (in the Roman Catholic Church) a grant by the pope of remission of the temporal punishment in purgatory still due for sins after absolution. The unrestricted sale of indulgences by pardoners was a widespread abuse during the later Middle Ages.
    3.
    an extension of the time in which a bill or debt has to be paid.

    The chest is a Roman chest .Maybe the historical has more to due with it .
    (3) Maybe this one more suites the Chase. ? .

    • Well said Mike, so indulge me once again for I have sinned and told the world where, so if more searchers would show and tell their best guesses on the resting place of Indulgence someone might find it, for we are all in this together and if you found it using some idea or part of an idea you got from me or others what a wonderful world this would be, MIKE D.

  24. Do expect that people will somehow *know* for sure once they have found the first clue?
    No, many people have found the first clue but they didn’t know it. Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.

    In my opinion this can only refer to Where the warm waters halt. While I believe it to be Madison Junction, the entire truth is that there are many places in Yellowstone or in the Rockies that it could be. I have always felt that the more I know about the man the better able I will be to figure out the clues in the poem and the hints in his books.

    I will say this though. It wasn’t that long ago that Forrest was saying some have figured out the first 2 clues. This is the first I have heard of the first 4. I wonder if it is one of us?

  25. I think a lot of what Forrest says and how he says it. I was curious when he made the following statement;

    “Searchers have come within about 200 feet. Some may have solved the first four clues, but I am not certain.”

    It seems strange that he thinks people might have solved the first four clues, but is not certain. To me, in my opinion, I think he has either read on the blog where someone was looking or someone emailed him where they were looking but did not explain how they got to that spot. So I think someone might be close, although they may not know it, and Forrest is not certain if they followed the clues correctly to get to that spot since specifics might not have been provided.

    Just my opinion.

    • MarkJ: I think your opinion is a good one as usual. My guess is that a lot of people write Forrest and tell him where they are going to search or where they have been already and he can deduce that they figured out the first four clues to get them there. If true, then does that suggest that the 5 remaining clues are condensed into the last 200 feet or so? Or on the other hand, are the searchers referred to in the two sentences you quoted referring to distinctly different searchers? To me the most telling part of the quote is the second sentence–I find it interesting that he is not certain whether anyone has figured out the first four clues. It seems a lot of people send him their solutions and many have posted their solutions on line. Are we to conclude that none of them have the first four clues solved?

      • Raven, that is what I am wondering. But then there is always the chance that Forrest might not have read the blog or an email where the correct clues were sent. So basically, I don’t think we can be sure of anything.

      • I like that idea. Good thought process. Whether it’s accurate or not, I don’t know. I think it either means what you just said OR it’s theoretically possible to accidentally get that close without finding it. I trust it is hidden well and you will only find it by following every clue. I don’t think it’s a “hidden in plain sight” situation”, however.

  26. Mark, this is the problem we face in searching for Indulgence based on what ff puts out into the media and us;

    http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-doublespeak.html

    There is a clear pathway to find the TC, if you like puzzles, tricky wording and a multitude of definitions and possibilities a maze if you will, the chase is like chasing your tail, when you finally get a hold of it, it bites you with endless possibilities, because in most solves there is a finite end game when you know you have the solution, as in Algebra, Geometry and such studies, but not with The Chase, because as soon as you examine one Geographical Location and search it you realize how many possibilities you eliminated that could have merit.

    ff has the unique ability to Double speak with the best, he must have learned this talent when confronted by objections, doubters and the media.

    It is sad the he did not become a politician or and attorney, because he is a master at this. What is most unique is that his wiggle room is INDULGED by all of us.

    I am sure, no certain, that he is and will continue to use this ability and no one will truly understand the myriads of possibilities and ways to answer questions without actually leaving more questions in the mind of searchers, and the media than real answers, that is a unique ability and we all continue to give his answers a PASS.

    Just sayin, if this Chase was not so much fun we would all be a little like Decall! And get our lisc revoked by Goofy!

    Tom T

    • Tom –

      I think the answers are so right in your face – once you know – nothing will be ambiguous. It will be direct and to the actual spot. If you just read the poem – as it is actually written – it is not a maze – but very good directions.

      Forrest is way to smart to be a politician. It was always the thrill of the chase that did it for him. That’s why he bought San Lazaro. In the end, I think most will be amazed at how very straight forward this chase is – and how many very good hints he has given along the way.

      Almost a 150 scrapbooks and no ones close? Perhaps we should take a look at the overall theme of the SB’s. Friendships, family, people, artifacts, marriages, music, guns, comics, the 4th of July, stamps, art, animals, nature, aspen groves,

      • Into, your insightful thought expressed above does give me pause, yet we are mesmerized by his skill, so profound that we cannot see the forrest for the trees, our champion wordsmith ff has a common thread expressed throughout his writing, full of intricate subtleties that once Indulgence is found we may all slap our forehead and say “why didn’t I think of that” or “now it all makes sense, it was there all along and it was all linked together”.

        All this Imagination must certainly be better than knowledge, or is it knowlege?

        Tom T

    • Virginia, I see why you are getting lost in the details, (translation), most if not all the searches think WWWHalt is one clue, one thought, an actual location in the Rockies, and I see you have broken this expression down into 4 separate clues? Am I Correct?

      Some have thought it meant tears, some a place where hot water turns cooler to warm or perhaps the possibilities are so broad as to be “endless” like “WWW. Internet Search, maybe more than one meaning.

      Yes Virginia, I have my (opinion) since ff has stated that each clue solved moves you closer to the TC therefore it would probably pay to believe the broadest definition of WWW halt and this definition is true for all rivers that exit the 4 states still in the hunt. My picture of where warm waters halt is expressed in those exact words, they actually exists and are defined throughout NM, CO, Wyo, and MT. See various State Game and Fish proclamations. Remember one of ff’s first jobs was a fishing guide.

      If you were to list the things you had done in your life so you could tell the story of Virginia Diane, Arvada, where would you start? What if I told you that like a cat, you have 9 lives, what would you list first, second, third etc.

      I try to imagine THAT is exactly what Forrest did here, he has related in both the “Thrill” book and his poem the something(s), somewhere, at different times in his life that could ultimately lead us to his special place, the end of his rainbow so why 9 clues?

      That could represent the 9 hats that ff wore in his life, 9 colors of the rainbow:

      https://www.google.com/search?q=9+colors+of+the+rainbow&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=1075&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CBwQsARqFQoTCOHR24zQlckCFQEmiAodyaQPqQ&dpr=1#imgrc=fDF_vPfu00smKM%3A

      Tom T

  27. Dal and Goofy need to start a new POST and call it “9 HATS” or “90 hats” .

    I want to suggest they start another thread of topics based on the continuing evolution of possibilities for “Forrest Fenn’s Special Place”

    It would progress like this:

    Does anyone know the common name of the tribe who was believed to have created the arrow point that Forrest found in a field with his father when he was 9 years old?

    ff has told some in the media that “My father would know where I hid the treasure”. ie Moonshots crew who work for Animal Planet.

    So I guess that is way too much to ask my fellow searchers? Now let me say given the time frame he assigned to finding it at 9, and how long he says it may have lain there, waiting, to find that little point which started this Chase, ie his first intro to archaeology and anthropology (art, artifacts) was like the first “HAT” he wore in life, and it may be where he was hooked as “A COLLECTOR”, there it was, laying there for how many ____________ years? A couple of thousand or was it less? Does anyone know for sure? I found this, an of Forrest Interviewed on PBS
    Report From Santa Fe with Lorene Mills, Air Dates: May 13-16, 2011.

    http://www.oldsantafetradingco.com/the-thrill-resource-page

    I think his father and grandmother were proud back then and they may have suspected that he was unique in his reverence for ancient art, and artifacts, those things they may have recognized and were well known by them from that tribe who may have chased chickens in his grandma’s family yard in Ft Worth, Tx.

    I think his next hat he wore was probably; “FISHING GUIDE” so tell me what is your suggestion for the next HAT?

    Tom T

  28. WWWH, Canyon Down, Not Far but Too Far to Walk, the HOB, the put in below the HOB, No Place for the Meek, the End ever Drawing Nigh, and No Paddle Up Your Creek have all been solved ..

    WWH I located very early – my third day – though I only found it after backtracking from another clue I had discovered, driving all the way back to FTW, and spending a month on the computer doing deep web research looking for the information I needed to confirm it. T FTW is obvious to anyone who knows how to read. Everything falls into place after you figure out the second clue and whoever beside me who found it wasn’t paying attention ..

  29. So I just got done reading The Thrill of the Chase, twice. I have to say, I thought I had found the spot in Colorado, but if there are indeed “hints” in TTOTC, then I see absolutely NOTHING that points to Colorado. Or New Mexico for that matter. Nearly everything mentioned in that book is Montana or Wyoming. Is that what everyone else took away from reading that book? Also, he never said it COULDN’T be in a cave, right?

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