Searching Brown’s Canyon…

SUBMITTED December 2015
Brian

I am e-mailing you the short details of my trip and why I went there based on the clues.  See fit to do what you will the info, but if it someday does lead to the treasure, remember me with fondness!  I don’t plan to go back and just wanted to share it with you.

I traveled and searched for the treasure in Brown’s Canyon Colorado.  Obviously I did not find it, but the clues seem to fit, except for the very end of the poem.  Here is why.

Begin it where warm waters halt.

  • Between Buena Vista and Salida (West of the Arkansas river) lies the Mt. Princeton hot springs.  There is actually a fish hatchery and resort there because of the warm (or hot) waters.  This warm water creek empties into the Arkansas river which is quite cold…”where warm waters halt”.

And take it in the Canyon down.

  • The creek that empties into the Arkansas river lies immediately above the border for Brown’s Canyon, which you have to travel down into.

Not too far, but too far to walk.  Put in below the home of Brown.

  • It isn’t far to drive but would be too far to walk.  In below the home of Brown….Brown’s Canyon.  A double meaning with the name of it and the fact the Arkansas is loaded with Brown trout.  Also, a “put in” is the name for launching (and retrieving) white water rafting boats.  So to put in below the home of brown means you would go white water rafting in the canyon….more on that below.

From there it’s no place for the meek, The end is ever drawing nigh; There’ll be no paddle up your creek, Just heavy loads and water high.

  • The Arkansas river has lots of big rapids…”no place for the meek”.  Just heavy loads and water high”.  Again a reference to white water rafting.

So I narrowed my search area between the “put in” (put in below the home of Brown) at the Hecla Junction campground, and the class four rapid (no place for the meek – heavy loads and water high) called Seidel’s Suckhole.   At Hecla junction boats can be taken out after completing the top portion of the rapids or they can be put in to do the bottom portion.  You can park your car there.  The distance between the put in and Seidel’s suckhole rapid may be a few kilometres and is marked by an unofficial trail beside the river that has been worn in by hikers and fisherman.  Forrest said he parked his car and made two trips in one afternoon to hide the treasure.  An old man would have been able to walk this trail and could have made two trips in one afternoon from his car.  He also said it wasn’t beside an obvious trail.  This one is not an official trail.  To the right of the trail are cliffs and rock formations with a lot of places to hide the treasure and the cliffs are located a bit off the trail so the location would not be obvious, but if you followed the clues and did some searching it would be accessible to find it – but again not obvious.  You have to leave the trail and walk up to the cliffs and search and there are a lot of crevices and boulders it could be placed under.

I could not find “the blaze” (marker) but there were a few interesting marks on the cliffs (including a large arrow head marked onto a cliff in one area) that I searched around without luck.  The part about the cold and in the wood didn’t entirely match up, except for the cold being the river which is extremely cold.  In the wood I thought may have meant a wooded area, but never came across something that would match.

I found this serious enough to take a long weekend trip to this area to try my luck.

 

Brian  – Windsor, Ontario, Canada

209 thoughts on “Searching Brown’s Canyon…

    • I went to browns canyon in 2015 and found myself on the same wild goose chase. I did however in my “opinion” find a bigger clue going towards canyon city

        • Not sure where any ‘untouched’ areas would be, but if you haven’t been, you’ll definitely want to check out the Mt Princeton Hot Springs if you get a chance.

          • Buddy,

            You and I are on the same page. That area just downstream and on the other side is called Railroad Gulch. Railroad = “Heavy Loads” and Gulch = “Waters High”. Just up the gulch (“too far to walk”) is the ghost town of Turret. In his book, Fenn speaks of looking for enemy turrets by spotting the “blaze” of gunfire coming from the trees. Hmmm…

      • Mike,
        If you’re going to go searching a ‘Brown’ in Colorado, then why not search here after you’re done looking there. 40.241879 -105.534600

        >Meeker Park Overflow Campground< (no place for the meek) it makes just as much sense as any of the other random words printed on a map.

        We had a great time last summer; Durango, Great Sands Nat'l Park, Chaco Canyon, Navajo Dam, Simon Canyon ruin. Try to make time to enjoy the surroundings, so as not to be disappointed.
        If you take a senior citizen along make sure he/she picks up the lifetime 'America the Beautiful pass' (10 bucks) it gets you in everywhere 1/2 price

          • Heavy loads= railroad tracks, and waters high= the old water tanks they used to use along the railroad tracks…

          • Those water tanks were referred to as “water stops.” Not sure how warm they were, though.

          • The stopping of the train itself was also called a “water stop.” Where did FF take hot showers? That train station along Canyon St.

        • 9 clues,
          When your 62, or older, you
          can pay ten dollars for a free pass for National Parks
          at the gate, and there after
          get in free.

          • And some time later this year, that $10.00 pass will increase to $80.00. BLM stations sell the passes. You do NOT have to go to a National Park to buy them. You will have to show proof that you are over 62. JDA

          • “The fee for a lifetime pass for citizens 62 and older will go from $10 to $80.
            But if you get a lifetime pass before the change is implemented, it will cost only $10. Passes can be purchased online for an additional service fee of $10 or at any of the parks without an extra charge.

            “National Park Service officials are unsure how long it will take to implement the change, but it’s expected before the end of 2017.”

            K

    • A couple quick thoughts:
      Fenn probably flew the length of the Arkansas River many times enroute to Cody. And he may have passed the time with some mental play on the word ARKANSAS, pronounced: Ark-an-saw (french pronunciation of a Sioux word)
      ARK > Arc > rainbow
      SAW > cut > canyon > scission > indecision
      SAW (mirrored) = WAS = the past
      Molly Brown to Browns Canyon, turn & see it anew.
      River always refreshing itself, i.e., riches new & old
      And, Colorado is noticeable by it’s absence from TTOTC.

      Here’s an Arkansas river map:
      http://cpw.state.co.us/placestogo/parks/ArkansasHeadwatersRecreationArea/Pages/CooperativeManagementAreaLandOwnership.aspx

      • I have a location with a spot to where the treasure is sitting. Because when I went the snow kept me from the location so I was going to wait before going back for better weather until thinking about my trip I remember seeing something n as soon as I decoded the last part it hit me light lighting so in June I will go and if I come back empty handed I will reveal my location area to the tee and tell everyone why.

          • The town of Sunbeam is in that area and the town of Meeker, but what took me to that area was reading up on a friend of Fenn’s which is Robert Redford, reading his biography and also watching the movie, “A river runs through it ” feels like you’re reading and watching Fenn’s life.

          • I will go to where the poem lead me once again. I been there before so I know that area. I just don’t want to get another location again i live in pennsylvania. Don’t like flying in a plane for five hours. But this time I’m driving to so that will take me 24hours

          • Hi Mike –

            I do not correspond by email with searchers. If I have anything to say I just do so publicly.

            I was asking if you are going to Brown’s Canyon because that’s a place of interest to myself and many other searchers.

            I do have some thoughts and I can share them here if you want.

            It’s nothing personal I just don’t think it’s a good idea to email each other. Some think differently.

            Lug

        • You should tell all whether you’re empty handed or not lol. Need a partner to go with? I’m an outdoorsman and I have a very capable 4×4. I’ll sign a contract requesting a very small percent or nothing. I really just want to meet Mr. Fenn

      • I think we also need to look at the word Brown. It is capitalized! Meaning, if he used proper english, the word Brown is a proper name. Probably not Brown trout, but brown trout would make more sense for fish.

  1. There are 3 creeks: Little Cottonwood Creek, Middle Cottonwood Creek, & Cottonwood Creek. Unfortunately, they’re almost all completely north of the “canyon entrance.” Technically, the area north could still be called a canyon, however. It’s banks are probably agood 20 to 30 feet high. There are so many hiding places in that area, might be near impossible to find. That being said, I can’t imagine Forrest wanting his bones to rest there. There are a couple smaller waterfalls along the Little Cottonwood Creek & the Middle Cottonwood Creek if you do end up searching that area again.

  2. Hey Brian,

    I love the idea of Browns Canyon and have Googled it extensively… A lot of things fit with this area…

    But, you said…

    “marked by an unofficial trail beside the river that has been worn in by hikers and fisherman. ”

    Wouldn’t that make this a human trail????

    I think Forrest has said there is no human trail nearby the treasure… or something to the such…

    • I believe the quote is that there are no human trails in VERY close proximity… What does VERY close mean? 25′? 50′?
      100′? You get to decide. JDA

  3. Good try, Brian. Sounds like you had a great time. 🙂

    Did anyone see “American Pickers” tonight?
    They had a pop up about Forrest Fenn.
    This may add another few thousand searchers. Ha, ha!

  4. Hey there Brian …

    Did you really drive all the way from Windsor to Colorado? Long drive! I used to live in Waterloo, up the Macdonald-Cartier Fwy (401) from Windsor, when I was working on my Doctorate degree.

    Thanks for posting your solution. Just a couple of thoughts about it.

    Mt. Princeton Hot Springs … I wish I had a dime for all the hot springs in the Rocky Mountains; there must be a billion of them. Trying to figure out which hot springs to search, though, is a task I gave up long ago.

    “This warm water creek empties into the Arkansas river which is quite cold”. I can see how locals might know that. But how would someone reading the poem figure out that the Arkansas R. is “quite cold”?

    Similarly, locals might know that the Arkansas River is populated with brown trout, but again, how would someone just reading the poem know that?

    Why would FF be attracted to this area?

    I too considered this area briefly, but wrote it off because the name “Brown” is just too obvious, in my opinion.

    Cheers, and stay warm. 🙂

    • Chalk Creek that empties into the Arkansas is not warm by any means. There are spots where the water is warm where the Hot springs come to the surface. However, there is nowhere near enough volume of flow into Chalk Creek to make it warm. Ya’ll need to look elsewhere.

        • “This warm water creek empties into the Arkansas river which is quite cold…”where warm waters halt”.” is what the OP said. I am simply stating that Chalk Creek is NOT warm. Chalk Creek is approximately the same temperature as the Arkansas River. And I am not new to the chase, I just don’t post much.

    • I was just reading about both q`s you asked the snow pack is where this water comes from ,quit cold , and also, read that brown trout are mostly in the river in this area . So with a bit of reading one can find this info. and no I am not from this area . I`m N.E. of Denver . just started reading about this again and found this area a good choice as well . I do think it is some where in this location, some other reasons I think this

  5. You can google all of your questions and you can find temps on anything in any state if you know where and who to google and ask. There are tons of info out there, you just have to work at it.
    GLS

  6. Great jod Brian. That’s the only way you can narrow it down. If people only new how helpful posting their search areas would be then theTC would for sure be found. But we live in America and the one thing Americans have in common is “GREED”. Otherwise we could have FF shaking in his boots if ifwe all worked it out together and shsred the Treasure. I just want it so that someone doesn’t take it for the cost of gold and jewels. We have to save the HISTORICAL VALUE of the Chest more than the financial value.
    Good Luck on your next search. I’ve got my spot and am ready to go..

  7. Have you narrowed the search area for the treasure?
    Yes, I said the treasure is hidden in the Rocky Mountains at least 8 miles north of Santa Fe, excluding Utah, Idaho, and Canada. I have said it is above 5000’ and below 10,200.

    You told P* that, considering some of the lengths people have gone searching for the treasure, your story has turned into a monster.
    I did not expect the story to get as big as it has, nor did I expect a few searchers to go to such great lengths in the hunt.

    You’ve said repeatedly that the treasure isn’t in a dangerous place, and searchers shouldn’t look anywhere you couldn’t have gone.
    That is true. There is no percentage in searching where a 79, or 80 year old man could not carry the treasure.

  8. Thanks for sharing your search Brian. From Windsor eh? Last time I was in Windsor I was on Robin Seymour’s dance show but I bet you are too young to remember that. Oh, how I miss those Motown tunes…

  9. Mr.forrest said look at the big picture.we can,t see the forest for the trees.take ,wood,its a forest.chase ,its a forest.got to do alot of researching.read that poem over and over until you get it or your wasting your time on getting the chest. But on the other hand having a good time in the great outdoors,forest also.just my ideas.

  10. I have searched this area many times; I love going in there. I have walked both sides of the river both up and down stream from Hecla Junction. Walking along the old railroad ROW looking into the river for fish and watching all the fishing people, and looking for blazes along the way. This section of Browns Canyon is now a National Monument. It is a beautiful rugged place. The gold mining history in this area is fairly well documented. You find old campsites/cabin remains in several places. Also, one could start at Gardner (above Buena Vista) and walk down stream along the river canyon looking for blazes. I’ve found a couple and know where I will continue my search next time. Thank you, sir, for the challenge and memories.

  11. Brian I enjoyed reading your post. I rarely post anything these days but i had to respond when I read what you posted. I have lost many hrs of sleep over the area you speak of and enjoyed every minute of it (Thank you Forrest !). Don’t give up on this area. BTW i reside in Denver if you ever need a pair of boots on the ground.

  12. Howdy, I missed Mr Fenn’s last interview, I think it was Nov.??? I’ve looked over this site and can’t seem to find it. Likely right in plain site. I’d appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction. Thx

  13. It seems to me that your “solve” is a forced fit. If not, please enlighten me in regard to my questions.

    Q1. Browns Canyon has fairly major rapids (5 deaths this season)! I’ve rafted them many times and a few approach class 4! Are you saying that Fenn wants people to take their families down the rapids?

     
    Q2. Getting down the canyon you talk about driving and walking, but “Put in” suggests that a person is in some kind of water craft. So why do you mention driving?

    Q3. You talk about “Below the home of Brown” being trout. But isn’t it true that animal names are NOT capitalized except in special cases? I don’t think brown trout is a special case so “Put in below the home of Brown” must mean something else.

    Q4. If the Arkansas is filled with brown trout, how does one know where below the home of Brown is? One spot would be as good as any other.

    Q5. “Put in” meaning “launch white water rafting boats”, isn’t that a slang term? I couldn’t find that in any dictionary. I don’t think Fenn would use slang for clues.

    Q6. It sounds like you have two starting points 1) where the creek enters the river and 2) Hecla Junction! Why two?

    Q7. Regarding the Arkansas and big rapids, doesn’t “lots of big rapids” happen only certain times of the year? Most of the year the water is slow and low, a troop of Brownies from Omaha could run them! I don’t believe Fenn made his clues to be seasonal.

     
    Q8. Why is Hecla Junction a good “below the home of Brown” spot?

    Q9. You talk about “a lot of crevices and boulders it could be placed under.” Doesn’t the hiding place have to be big enough to hold a body plus treasure as per “As I have gone alone in there …”

    • Dennis has found a lot of holes, but hasn’t found the answer. I personally think Brian could be on the right track. The poem is cryptic, if the answers were filled with logic and absolutes then the treasure would have been found, possibly by you? 🙂 It’s the adventure and exploration that creates the thrill which captivates us all. I think of a put in as a ramp, regardless of the watercraft being launched whether boat or kayak. Just have fun searching and let people dream and interpret the poem in a way that leads them on their hunt. Cheers.

  14. Brian, Good Work. Don’t listen to Dennis, I think he might want to keep people out of his back yard (no competition) . If you can think of anything else let us know. I plan to visit that area after the Fennboree

  15. Brian, your search makes sense. Did you notice the Pinon Trail on the map near the rearing unit? I read something in one of the blog posts about him accidentally mentioned pinons. Was retracing your steps and thought it funny anyways.

  16. Hi Brian, thanks for your post. I totally understand your feelings that you won’t be coming back to Brown’s, don’t be so sure. I visit this area regularly and I know at least one other searcher who commented above does as well. Dennis is interested too, sounds like he’s been here before and knows it well. How can you answer his questions when they are all about his opinions? I will try to help. Here’s what I think, all IMO.
    Q1:Forrest has repeatedly stated that the objective is to get families to get out and enjoy nature, so yeah maybe so.
    Q2: Put in is commonly used to refer to rafting or fishing boat launch sites. You assume it is a directive rather than a place.
    Q3: So the hoB would be above or upstream from the boat launch…I don’t think it’s trout either, and I do have an answer for hoB that I won’t share just now.
    Q4: Redundant, but he does mention a fish hatchery.
    Q5: The proper term may be a boat launch, but if you have rafted often surely you would hear the guides refer to the starting boat launch as a put in and the ending point as the take out. Also IMO Forrest speaks almost exclusively in slang or colloquialisms so why not in the clues too?
    Q6: I thought the starting point was Princeton hot springs. Hecla Junction was start of his search area.
    Q7: So class four Rapids that cause five deaths in one season doesn’t equate to no place for the meek? I don’t follow your logic.
    Q8: As stated clearly by Brian it is where the boat launch or put in is located.
    Q9: If “there” is Browns Canyon then no. He would be a tiny dot in a huge landscape covered in hidey holes big enough for a body and a chest.

    There is a whole lot more to this location too. There are a lot of coincidences which may just add up to something worthwhile.

  17. Anyone have any updates? Where specifically does the search start? Do we just get to Hecla Junction and start wandering? I thought that the poem was supposed to give us an even more specific search area/location than arriving at HJ and looking around.

    • I’m sure some searchers have different starting points, but one starting point might be where Chalk Creek empties into the Arkansas. Aside from the search, if you’re in the area, there is a spot a little ways east of there within the Nat Monument area that has a tremendous view.
      Not sure how to post a pic on here, so apologize in advance.
      [url=http://postimg.org/image/qmozz0szl/][img]http://s32.postimg.org/qmozz0szl/20150810_165525_Pano.jpg[/img][/url]
      or
      http://postimg.org/image/qmozz0szl/

      The coordinates are: N 38 45′ 54″ W 106 0′ 24″

  18. 10,500 ft isn’t an arbitrary number, I think the Arkansas River is definitely the right track because its source is Leadville with exactly that elevation. Begin it where warm waters halt would refer to the fact that the city is partially heated by underground rivers that are warm but cool off when they hit open air, and then home of brown would be Brown’s Canyon, Brown’s creek, or any notorious fishing spot for Brown trout. Maybe the blaze refers to St. Elmo’s ghost town (St. Elmo’s fire), just spitballing here and looking for feedback, planning on making my first trip once I’ve made more headway into the poem.
    Cheers,
    Lyses

  19. Hey Brian, I dont know if you still check in on this thread but I’m from London, Ontario and heading to Colorado at the end of this month. You may be surprised that my solve is very close to your area. Shoot me an email, maybe we can discuss some things.

  20. Loved reading this, I love within a threasonable hour drive from the area you visited, I have often thought about making a trip that way eventually. My biggest concerns are that it seems to be a heavily populated area for tourists. If FF was able to make two trips alone, without being seen by anyone I feel like the area the TC is in has to be a little more off the grid. I could easily be wrong. I’m pretty new to this and am planning my first hunt in a week here in colorado only more south towards NM. I will probably make my way up to Browns Canyon eventually though.

  21. Standing along the riverside below Hecla Junction with my daughter, searching below a rock that looks eerily like an Olympic torch…..

  22. In support of Hecla Junction being “below the home of Brown,” there used to be a mining camp called Brownsville where Browns Creek empties into the Arkansas River three miles upstream.

  23. BROWNS CANYON, HECLA JUNCTION: A PERFECT SOLUTION THAT DIDN’T WORK

    “Begin it where warm waters halt”
    Google Maps shows a “Browns Canyon Warm Spring” that drains into the Arkansas River at Hecla Junction.
    “And take it in the canyon down”
    Nothing ambiguous there.
    “Not far, but too far to walk.”
    Wade, then, to get to the not-far spot.
    “Put in below the home of Brown.”
    “Brownsville” was the name of a mining camp three miles upstream where Browns Creek flows into the Arkansas.
    “From there it’s no place for the meek,”
    Seidel’s Suckhole, anyone? People get killed rafting the river.
    “The end is drawing ever nigh;”
    An old meaning of “nigh” is “to the left.”
    “There’ll be no paddle up your creek,”
    On your left, a fifth of a mile down and across the river from Hecla Junction, is a dry wash coming down from the mountains. No paddle up that, either dry or during a flash flood.
    “Just heavy loads and water high.”
    Going up the dry wash takes you under the old railroad (“heavy loads”). Also, during high water on the Arkansas and flash floods down the wash, water backs up behind the rail line.
    “If you’ve been wise…”
    From the dry stream looking back toward Hecla Junction, one can see Mount Princeton (named for the University) – does one acquire wisdom from education? Perhaps Mr. Fenn meant to keep this mountain in view while searching.
    “…and found the blaze”
    High on the cliff to the right of the dry stream, there are a couple of charred-looking trees, probably hit by lightning.
    “Look quickly down, your quest to cease…”
    So look at the base of the cliff.
    “So hear me all and listen good,
    Your effort will be worth the cold.”
    Confirmation that we’re to wade the Arkansas, which is cold any time of year.
    “If you are brave and in the wood”
    A stump? A downed log? In the hollow of a tree? – there are two dead trees at the base of the cliff, and a pile of dead branches at their base.
    “I give you title to the gold.”

    My wife and I pieced together this solution, aided by several clues apart from the poem:
    Fenn said his wife didn’t miss him on the day he hid his treasure. That suggests the hiding spot is within a half-day’s drive of Santa Fe, less however much time it took to hide it. Hecla Junction is a four-mile drive away.
    Fenn said the treasure is hidden where he would like his own bones to rest. There’s a lovely spot at the base of the cliff, under some trees, at the edge of the high-water mark.
    Fenn referred to the treasure as being wet. Unlikely he would want his bones in an actual river, but maybe at the edge of a backwater.
    When Fenn announced the treasure was between 5,000 and 10,000 feet in elevation, he initially slipped and said 7,000 feet before correcting himself. That may have been a Freudian slip. Hecla Junction is at 7,385.

    Guided by these clues, in early September of 2016, my wife and I waded the Arkansas a fifth of a mile below Hecla Junction, and explored the area at the base of the cliff to the right of the dry wash (clearly visible on Google Maps / Earth). We looked under the brush and trees, looked for hollows in the trees, turned over dead wood on the ground, ran a metal detector over the area. Also climbed up the cliff a short ways to look in hidey-places behind the rocks, and followed both the major dry wash and a tiny one at the base of the cliff looking for hiding places.

    We didn’t probe the thick brush closer to the tracks, because it looked like an unattractive grave site and a place for rattlesnakes to lurk where we couldn’t see them.

    At the end of a fruitless day of searching, we consoled ourselves with a dip in the deep, slow section of the Arkansas a few hundred yards further down.

    Some other possible interpretations of the poem’s clues:
    “If you’ve been wise” – could this be a play on words? Maybe he’s hinting at walking through sage (“wise”) brush.
    “…and found the blaze” – again, maybe a play on words; this could refer to an ash tree.
    “tarry scant” –there’s a Tarryall Creek in Colorado. Maybe “tarry scant” is a minor tributary of it.

    Evan Owen

    • CORRECTION:
      “Hecla Junction is a four-mile drive away” should read “four-HOUR drive away” from Santa Fe.

      Any way to edit our posts once they’re up?

      • Evan-

        That area you speak of is called Railroad Gulch. Railroad = “heavy loads”, and “waters high” = Gulch (when the waters run high). I have also looked into that area as a possible spot. That area had a the Calumet Railroad running through it. It was either washed out or removed. There are still parts of the railroad in that area. Here are some other thoughts. Could “tarry” refer to any railroad ties left in the area? They are covered in tar to help preserve them. The box could be placed somewhere in or near those ties or structures (“in the wood”). Also, that could explain “in the wood”. The box is covered with a black resin, which would camouflage it with the tarry wood.

        My final thought refers to “the blaze”. Forrest references seems to reference “the blaze” in his book. He mentions that the best way to find an enemy gun turret is to look for the blaze of gun fire. Look on a map just up Railroad Gulch. You’ll see the small ghost town of Turret. Hmmm.

        Just me thinking out loud and wishing could be out searching.

        • Sorry for my choppy writing. I was just a little excited that someone was on the exact same page as me. We are thinking way too alike. I wish we could edit our posts, as well. Mine makes me sound like a blubbering idiot. Sorry about that!

        • Somewhere in these brainstorming sessions, an answer will emerge.
          I actually HAD thought about those tarry ties — but I’m fairly sure I read somewhere that Mr. Fenn said the treasure box is “not associated with any man-made structure,” which should rule out its being hidden on or immediately by the old railroad line. I suspect the rails are a way-marker, and the treasure lies somewhere beyond them.

    • If you’re passing thru Durango & pull over to play in Pinkerton Hot Springs, watch your step, it’s slippery.

      Something about the multi-colored algae, I fell down in it—-but if seeker were to ever ask me along I’d happily fall down another 5/6 times…it’s a soda springs

      There was an old ratchet-bathtub sitting down the slope a ways, for a moment I felt like filling it up.

      • Hey 9 clues…I pass by Pinkerton all the time and the water at Pinkerton is definitely a promising tepid/warm, not hot. Sadly, there is private property immediately east of the springs which continues down valley to DGO. On the west side of the highway, North a short distance and up on the mountainside, is another spring that has most definitely been getting larger over the past several years, based on observation of surface discoloration of the soils. Lots of iron in the water, as well as soda. Next visit “halt” at Trimble, a sweet little oasis and same soothing waters. It’s a treasure of its own.

        • Well dal I’ll be on the hunt soon and wish you as much luck this year as the rest of everyone who will be searching. In the end only one will be victorious and i just want everyone to be safe this year good luck.

        • Not anytime soon for most people, I would guess. Unless anyone feels like “looking quickly down” into 5 feet of snow.

          • It depends on how far north or south you are looking. Here in Colorado, I would say definitely no earlier than May, but New Mexico may thaw out earlier in late April, and Montana a bit later into early June. (It also varies by year, so I’d take Forrest’s advice and find a webcam in the area you’re interested in and check it from time to time.)

        • Yes, I have a spot in mind that I am confident enough about to check out later in the year once the snows melt. Beyond that, I’ve been keeping most of my cards close to my vest. I haven’t revealed on this site even what state I’m planning to look in. I just started studying the Chase in detail in January of this year, so haven’t done any physical BOTG searches yet. After a failed search or two, I’ll probably get more open with sharing my oddball ideas in more detail!

          • Yea once I get back from my adventure I will definitely be putting in detail where and why I’ll have pictures maybe dal can make a story about it

          • Please do, Mike. I’ll be looking forward to an interesting read. Good luck and safe travels on your adventures this season!

          • Thanks I promise when you hear my location you will understand everything and I’m pretty sure most people might start rethinking their solve mine has .. wwwh. home of brown. No place for meek water high. N a blaze which I only know because I been there before and didn’t put 2 n 2 together the first time around.

  24. I find Colorado to open up for searching in June. It all depends on latitude, elevation and North/South face of a mountain. Most of NM can be searched starting in April.

  25. I discovered the poem over the weekend, and Brown’s Canyon was my first thought to a solve. Lots of the poem evokes whitewater, so when thinking of possibles, Brown’s Canyon jumped out at me. But, I’m at the point where I feel I am both discarding too much and jumping stuff in the poem, so I figured I’d post my solve as a thought exercise.

    My “half solve” is the old Calumet Branch of the DRGW that branches within Browns- solve below.

    First Stanza- I don’t grab a whole lot of meaning, but “Riches new and Old” to me means to look in an area with mining or historical value. This area is an old mining district.

    “Warm Waters halt” As others, Mt Princeton Hot Springs is above the Canyon.

    “Take it in the Canyon Down” Follow the Arkansas into Browns Canyon.
    “Not Far But too far to walk” By boat running Browns takes about half a day. More than a day walking.
    “Put in below the House of Brown” First problem- My solve starts within Browns Canyon, just across from what is now Hecla Junction Boat Ramps (or “Put In.”) Hecla Junction was originally named for the RR junction there. If one started from Hecla, they would need to cross the river. Only possible late summer and fall (more on that later)

    The next put in below Browns is Stone Bridge. You could get to the Railroad side of the river from here and walk back up (railroad not used since the 1990’s) But, a 2.5 mile walk each way. Walk 10 miles in a day? Cross a whitewater river? A stretch. Anyways, back to the poem.

    “From there it’s no place for the meek.” No solve. Rapids in Browns aren’t meek, but aren’t we past talking about that? The Calumet Branch was by far the steepest rail line on the DRGW system- 7% sustained! Not for the meek.

    “the end is ever drawing nigh” Hecla is near the end of Browns canyon. Hecla was the end of the rail branch. Seems weak, especially with “below the home of Brown.”

    “There’ll be no paddle up your creek” Take a creek, and it will be too small for a boat. The creek that the Calumet Branch follows is a trickle most of the year.
    “Just heavy loads and water high” This is why I love Hecla and the Calumet Branch. Heavy loads referring to railroad. Heavy Lodes referring to the mine ore taken out. Water high. The branch was destroyed in 1901 after a flash flood.

    “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze” Screams stand of Aspen to me. Aspen turning color are commonly referred to as “blazing”. Several Aspen stands in the creek and heading up the Calumet Branch. If you are searching in late fall, water would be low making crossing the Arkansas possible (and COLD).

    “Look Quickly Down, your quest to cease” Seems straightforward. Find the blaze and look down. If blaze is Aspen, maybe they need to be on a hill?

    “Tarry scant and marvel gaze.” Another reason I like this area- the choice of words seems likely to me to refer to place names.. “Tarry scant” is of course an odd phrase. If you follow the old Calumet Branch, you reach Calumet mine and the ghost town of Turret, CO, about 6 miles away. From high points in this area, you get a breathtaking view of the Saguache Range, highest range in Colorado. You also see East into South Park. What can you see to the east? A series of minor mountains called the TARRYALL mountains. Google Earth indicates you can see them- barely, on the horizon. TARRY SCANT. This line indicates the right place can view both Tarryall Mountains and a “marvel.” What marvel? Can’t find it. Can’t find any “marvel” feature in the Saguache. I searched mining claims of the area. In this same area there was a “wonder” mine, but seems weak.

    None of the rest of the poem seems to line up with this area, that I can tell.

    Other things to note:
    Two trips in a day? Yes, if treasure was located around Hecla or at the other end of the old Branch line by Turret/Calumet mine. Road access to Hecla and Turret, not in between.

    To me, the altitude references seem to point to somewhere in the upper Arkansas. The upper Arkansas is generally considered to run between Leadville and either Canon City or Pueblo. Leadville is 10,200 feet. Canon City is just over 5000, Pueblo just under.

    Yes, there are pinyon trees in here. This area is right on the transition between Ponderosa Pine Douglas Fir and Aspen, and Pinyon Juniper Forests.

    • Welcome to the Chase, newsance!
      This is one of my personal favorite solves related to Brown’s Canyon that I’ve read so far, even though you admit it to still be a work in progress. Keep at it, and maybe some of the missing pieces will fall into place for you. It sounds like per Leo’s post below the area is even good to start searching now (though I believe more snow is forecast for the CO Rockies this weekend). Good luck!

  26. I have the same interpretation, and was there last Thursday (3/23/17). The water was still low enough to cross the river and hike up the gulch. I had an idea for what the blaze could be, right after it crosses from BLM to Forest Service land. There is a barbed wire fence there, right before you get to the interesting narrow canyon. We looked around a bit, but the blaze was not what I expected, and we didn’t find any good alternative. I did stumble across a “Bearing Tree'” marker from 10/2015 and a shiny new BLM marker posted in the ground, possibly from the change to a National Monument. But, that clearly wasn’t there for Fenn, and not the type of blaze we were thinking of anyway.

    This was only about 2 miles from Hecla Junction, but I think it would still be pretty rough to make that trip (as far as the Forest Service boundary) twice in a day, carrying weight. It wouldn’t be too bad if it didn’t involve much climbing up the sides of the gulch. Maybe it’s not as far up the gulch from the river, still on BLM land. Unrelated, but only the north side of the gulch is now part of the National Monument (the gulch is part of the southern boundary).

    I’ll have to rethink ideas for the blaze and head back sometime, but not June-July when the river is high. There are areas of white rock that could be considered blazes, but Fenn seems to suggest that the blaze would be more deterministic than getting there and randomly looking around for something like white spots on the rock and moving from one to the next. Some of the rock formations were interesting, and could be considered blazes, especially if the setting sun turns them red. But that has the same issue of just trying one location after the other.

    In any case, it was a good day, and I think the area has promise. Now, what could the blaze be?

    • Another comment about the trip… we saw old steel rails bent out of shape from the flood, right before entering the narrow canyon on Forest Service land, but didn’t see any old ties.

      I discounted that Fenn would hide the chest in the old railroad bed due the chance of flooding again, as well as saying it wasn’t near a trail. While not an official trail, there is still one fairly well established.

      Also, down in the canyon the incredible views of the Sawatch range to the west are blocked. Go a little higher, and it’s something that deserves a ‘marvel gaze’.

      • Tarryall would only be visible from a high point around Turret, not in Railroad Gulch. I still think “marvel” would refer to something specific, not just a view of a mountain range that runs for 70 miles…

        • As you mentioned, there’s road access to Hecla Junction and Turret, but not in between. Due to the fly fishing and reference to things like ‘worth the cold’, I think it’s closer to the river and Fenn probably didn’t start up the hill in Turret. Always a possibility, though. Turret is also a good backup plan in June of the water is too high to cross, meaning you could take Stafford Gulch down to Railroad Gulch to look around.

          For the view, I didn’t really mean that was the marvel gaze. If you were picking your own spot to lay to rest, I’m guessing you’d want a pretty decent overlook instead of being hidden down at the bottom of a gulch. I discounted the ‘marvel gaze’ as your jaw hitting the ground when seeing the chest, but it may be good to reconsider that line.

  27. Dal I really enjoyed your agypsykiss interview but i really do hope you know i am the 1% who is not a newbie and have broken the solve. I will have everything ready soon.

    • Forrest said you will go with confidence. Time and time again i see people looking they are just wondering around.

  28. Found an awesome place where warm waters halt in this area. I actually live in Denver and planning a trip in June to do some recon.

  29. I believe that Forrest wants the treasure seekers to spend their money in New Mexico, not in surrounding states.

  30. Hi people
    My son brought this to my attention….. most of his cildhood he spent with me searching out artefacts for museums and private collectors around the world. I had a quick read of the poem…..i never read anyones elses ideas until i clicked on this site….im hooked..i love the fact you all tease and encourage each other….some greedy some just convinced they have it…some really going in depth to the clues….but ask yourself …is it really just so simple we are not getting it? I see 3 fundamental things not mentioned here….one is really obvious to me but i think maybe im just reading the poem and not the assumptions of everyone else…..read the poem…think treasure chest thats heavy….can i ask one question? does anyone know when he placed the treasure? What time of year?…this is sooo much fun!

  31. ok he never said a month?
    just summer?
    and all the clues say an 80 year old man could put the trease there but he didnt say iif an 80 year old man could collect it?
    ha ha
    call me simple but how does this work…does everyone feel like if they give their clues away you will lose any chance of actually finding it yourself?
    it is like you wanna say but dont wanna say if someone else finds it from your clues ha ha
    but in reality if everyone worked together it would be better….i dream of finding it then burying it again and writing another book of clues to itts whereabouts…..lol

    • Rob;

      I know you are just trying to be funny, but I am sure that if a 79 or 80 years old man could get to the spot where he secreted it, MOST 79 or 80 year old men could reach that same spot and find and collect it.

      He NEVER said that it would be easy, but that it was NOT impossible. It MAY be some place hard to reach, but reachable….Imagination is more important than knowlege (do d) on purpose.

      Just the mutterings (and wishful musings) of an OLD 74 year old man who thinks he can make it. JDA

      • ok so if he took it to a place and dropped it into the water…cold but worth it( to retrieve)….in summer….low water…..less dangerous…..plus in 2009 was there a fast water flow that year or none….looking down…see the blaze of the bronze box in the water?? too deep to walk….what dya think?

        • Rob;

          One line at a time is what I think Rob. Slow and steady, solve one line, match it to a place on a map, and then (and only then) move on to the next clue. Figure it out, and it SHOULD match the next spot on your map – If not, back up and try again. That is what I think.

          I have only been at this for sixteen months, so I still have a lot to learn. Ask some of the people who have been at it 5 or 6 years.

          Here is what Forrest says – and he ought to know…”, “There are nine clues in the poem, and the clues are in consecutive order. If you want to find the treasure chest – you have my book there – I’ll tell you how to do it. Read the book just normally … the poem and the rest of the book, and then go back and read the poem 6, 8, 10 times – study every line, every word. Then after you do that, read the book again, slowly, with the idea of looking for clues or hints, that are in the book that will help you follow the clues. You can find the chest with just the clues, but there are hints in the book that will help you with the clues.” f

          Good luck – and TRY to STAY SAFE – JDA

        • Rob H.
          Before you go off half cocked… you should read more about what has happened over 7 years… read the topics listed on this blog above, interviews, Q&As, the book { I don’t know if you have the book – The Thrill of the Chase } look into the media section of this blog, the other websites posted below on this page etc. etc.
          You might think it’s a lot of work, but it may save you a lot of traveling/expense on guessing and hunches.

          • Yeah Rob,
            listen to what Debbie Downer has to say…save your money, be a shut-in, maybe take in a few strays, that way you never have any regrets.
            Oh, SEEK immediate care for any impulse lasting over 4 hours

          • Nope

            Fenn says book and poem and that’s it. Specifically he said and I don’t have the quote, read the blogs for entertainment.

            I would say read the rules and the cheat sheet. You may ned a fact like the treasure is above 5k ft altitude but below 10.2k fo example.

            But definitely don’t read 7 years worth of bickering and subterfuge on the many blogs. Read a thread you like and watch the new pots. You will no doubt get dragged back into older threads

            Lugnutz

          • Lugnutz, are you sure, ‘Fenn says book and poem and that’s it’?

          • Lug – You forgot about a “good map”.

            How about this recent post from Forrwest:,”1Q) Even today, after more than six years of people searching, and after all the news coverage, articles, and stories written about your secreted treasure, some people are just learning about your Thrill of the Chase treasure hunt and getting involved. It continues to inspire. Do you have any advice for these new people? How should they begin the search six years after so many others? Do you feel they are at any disadvantage?
            No, fresh eyes and new thinking might provoke a winning idea. I would advise new searchers to look for the clues in my poem and try to marry them to a place on a map. It seems like the longer one thinks about the search the more they complicate the problem.”

            “and try to marry them to a place on a map. ” seems pretty important to me – JDA

          • JD –

            I agree with meeting a map. I don’t think anyone needs to read through all the blog comments.

            I disagree with good map. You may recall I believe he was referring to a Goode map.

            Lugnutz

          • Sure 9clues, lets just have hm skip over all the after the fact comments…
            He might as well look in Texas or Idaho, or Utah or maybe Nevada… he best get studying up on his Latin and bible verses too. Maybe by a drone as well. He certainty needs to know about a flashlight and a sandwich are clues, right? But maybe he could skip the part about; if you don’t have the first clue nailed down, don’t go. Or, all you’ll have is a nice vacation. Or you can’t start in the middle of the poem… looking for later clues…
            Naaa forget all the interviews, Q&A’s and all the other nonsense… All we need is a good map and a nice darts set… right?

            LOL… I have to wonder why some even come to the blogs if none of this helps…

            Just thoughts from Debbie Downer…

          • Lug;

            One simple question. If the Blog has no value, why are you here and why are you expressing your opinion? There seems to be something wrong here. Can you explain please? Oh, but then you would be expressing a useless idea whouldn’t you? A catch 22 isn’t it? JDA

          • Because it’s fun.
            It’s entertainment.
            I enjoy reading this blog and reading the comments.

            When the treasure is found you can explain to me where all the hints were in 180+ scrspbboks.

  32. Lugnutz, I agree.
    JD, when F said it wasn’t easy but not impossible, I think he was referring to solving the poem, not the actual physical aspect. A typical 79-80 yr old/kids, are not capable of traversing “moderate-experienced” trails. (Imo)
    F told me the guest was handicap accessible “but yelp would be needed.” That is probably for the “off trail” section of the search.
    Using logic, I put 2+2 together, and IMO, searchers were on a trail, passing the chest by 200 ft. Now, I could be wrong, but that info was given before F said the treasure was not on a man made trail…that came after his 200 ft remark. So, analyzing the “hints”, a fairly easy trail is to be navigated, with possible slight inclines, or maybe switch backs, to reach the elevation target area, requiring handicap assistance on the trail and in the “bush” to the blaze. Sorry–got on a roll!
    Just an interesting fact…at one time, “no paddle up your creek” meant a comfortable traverse with not excessive paddling, floating with the current. With the current once was “up” and against the current was “down” (in the days of the trappers). It wasn’t until the late 19th-early 20th century, that is was reversed and “sh☆t” added to create a term for bring in trouble, needing to go against the current in a vile Creek having only your hands to maneuver the canoe. I think F is referring to the old saying, thus walk with the flow of the river, in stanza 3.
    (Exhaling…) Ok, one more insight…the clues in the poem that were there when F was a child, are natural physical locations. The few that werent, are man made, like the road he took/blaze he created. I think all the clues point to geographical features, NOT Mr. Brown’s home, Names change over time, and probably won’t be there 1000 yrs like, hopefully the poem, so clues are directed at geographical features, thus the knowledge of geography, which could help.

    If others have brought these tidbits and insights up before, I apologize for wasting your reading time. And, as previously stated…all insights are IMO! Facts are just facts!

    Carry on, be safe. Let the snow melt and mud dry. Mid June for NM, July for Northern states! Check your weather before heading out. Be prepare…flashlights and a sandwich…the mountains get dark early, and you’ll be hungry after the search (unless you are a naturalist and know what barks are good to eat…Willow bark will help the headache when you don’t find indulgence!)
    ¥Peace ¥

    • You MAY be right. All I am saying is to read the poem, solve the clues, and be willing to go where the poem leads you. It may be an easy trail, or it might be a bit more challenging than you anticipate. Be prepared!
      Good luck and TRY to STAY SAFE – JDA

    • The first 3/4 mile or so is mostly about as easy and smooth as
      a popular hiking trail. And almost totally level. After that, the wheelchair would, for all practical purposes, needed to be CARRIED. For about a mile. All in my opinion.

  33. The marriage declaration…seems to follow F’s lfe. “Marry the clues to a map…” Once poor, now rich, once sick now healthy, except he didn’t plan “til death do you part”–he’s taking it with him. VERY spiritual if you ask me!

    • i think he should be given it back, why should he have to pay for something he gave away in the first place? If I find it, I will remove the bracelet for him, one item for me, and put it back… .. I don’t need all that treasure, I would just end up giving it all away, and I don’t want to be the one to stop all this good energy he has started….

  34. A Prime time made for TV movie that highlights The Flyers vast array of adventures, special moments and accomplishments; beginning with a scene of a young boy finding that first arrowhead with his Father. (This could offer an opportunity for the individual to gain a better sense and perspective into The ‘Thrill’ of the Chase,.)

    Next and final stop would be the Smithsonian; displayed right next to Eric Sloane’ mural.

    • Thanks for sharing, Toby! It looks like you all had a fun outing. Salida’s a nice town; I need to get out there again sometime! 🙂

        • My son is in ,Ride the rockies,they come in to salida,co june 17.you don’t want to be around then.will be lots of people there.we are going to see him cross the finish line.we did this in westcliff couple of years ago.now thats a town you can see the long range of the san de cristo mountains. So beautiful. And the wet forest is pretty too.

          • Toby I watch all your videos I hope to share my pictures and story on a gypsy’s kiss

  35. On page 133 TTotC. F.F. says “There are also other subtle clues sprinkled in the stories.” He says CLUES which I take to be more than one. I have no great idea what they are……but, as far as I can tell almost no one is operating with that sentence in mind. So to be helpful, I say if you can’t find the “subtle sprinkled” CLUES in the book you have a much lower chance of finding the chest. Find your search area and find a way to match it up with the clues, in the poem and in the book, if they fit search it. The idea that a capital B leads me or you to exclude from all the places or things looking like, or the home of, or named brown that aren’t capitalized, seems a stretch…especially now…the search for “the home of B” has been done for years now. I say now its the “home of brown” (just guessing). To me FF has obviously wanted to make searching difficult, a simple capital B may be one of his difficulties. So good luck to you all. I hope you tell the world where, when and how you find it. That would make my day. “I give you title to the gold.”

    By the way when you find it , put it in a safety box and see your local attorney, you won’t be sorry.

  36. My quest will end soon with great reward.
    I do not wish to disclose my real name nor the location of the treasure if found. I do however would like to tell you that I plan to move and open a bussniss. And save half in the bank.I have given this opportunity much thought and want to thank Mr fenn for the chance at a better life. (Even though he wasn’t every nice when I called him 2 years ago. Anyway If the treasure is not in my location I am done chasing dreams and will disclose my location and give up searching. But the poem did take me to a specific location and only time will tell

    • Mike*
      Q.
      Did Mr. Fenn inspire you? That was part of his master plan don’t you agree? Lift people up, challenge them.
      You know the spiel, make small goals for one’s self.

      According to our ‘on the ground reporter’ Virginia diane Arvada the weather may work against you, then we’d have to listen to that old familiar tune “couldn’t get there”

      Suggestion, give yourself a few more weeks, try to make your trip-your investment as enjoyable as possible. Who else but Fenn would include a contact number in his 1st printing, you gotta love that about the guy.

      *not your real name

      • I understand your absolutely right. If the treasure is not in my location one thing is for sure. I have no clue where it is because I only had one location this whole time.

  37. Hey dal maybe we can catch up some ideas in colorado. I have been writing to you over a year on aol under lukada1nonly@aol.com. and like to visit my location first then I’m willing to share what I have discovered. And believe me there is a load of info.

  38. Guess where warmed.waters.halt is on what 3 words? Just north of buena vista colorado, just north of Browns canyon. Out of all the word combinations for every ten foot square on earth what are the chances those words are there.. amazing ..,, looks like I was right all along. I found a mask searching the canyon, wish I could post a pic of it. Looks just like me fenn.,,

  39. Nothing but clear, sunny skies forecast for the foreseeable future in Buena Vista, Mike. It appears that you will have very good timing for your search. Good luck!

    (Although please don’t wait another 4 days to eat lunch. You need your strength!)

  40. 1. Begin it where war waters halt
    2. Take it in the canyon down
    3. Put in below the home of Brown
    4. Look quickly down
    5. Tarry scant
    6. Take the chest
    7. Go in peace
    8. Hear me all
    9. Listen good

  41. Friday the 16th I will be on my way towards my solve good luck to everyone else. I will let u know when I get back

      • 1st clue. .. begin it where warm waters halt. Mt princeton
        2nd clue.. and take it in the canyon down… Arkensas river..
        3rd.. clue not far but to far to walk not 100% percent sure. . Clue on fenns book to far to walk the cover might suggest that you have to hike because of the shadow in the front cover…
        Clue 4..put in below the home of brown.. below browns canyon .. is a place called browns creek waterfall.. n also you have browns trail and be
        Browns creek damn which leads to the waterfall and when people figured that fenn said wwwh is not a damn… but still lines with mt princeton which happens to be above…you guessed it browns creek waterfall. Clue 4 n 5 are needed to be separated. Here’s how from therected it’s no place for the meek the end is ever drawing nigh there will be no paddle up your creek just heavy loads and water high 4 n 5 together discribes browns creek waterfall now no paddle up your creek just heavy loads and water high. Don’t go up to the waterfall because a 80 year old man can’t go carrying 42 pounds of gold..
        Clue 6 if you been wise and found the blaze. Listen notice how no paddle up your creek just heavy loads and water high does a cut right to if you been wise and found the blaze. Because it’s telling you not to go up to the waterfall. Also feel drew little cartoon character and no paddle. Hint hint but i think clue 6 is a marker on a tree that I haven’t been able to successfully find and i looked everywhere today. I even got a cold from going into the freezing water but that’s clue 8 I’ll get back to that.. if anyone can give me a good blaze I’ll go and look again but didn’t see any. Clue 8 efforts will be worth the cold. Fenn said that the chest is wet and I’ll tell you what I’ll save you that suspense that water was really really cold I couldn’t stay in much at a time froze me up… clue 9… if you are brave and in the wood I believe that it is a tree bark and again… nothing
        One thing I never knew until recently was why was that place special to him.. why a waterfall because he did say that he wanted to leave his bones.. well my dear watson in his book war far me he falls on his face and that which never happens to him. His words. Because he fell over a french Indonesian soilder tomb plate which words read if you want to please my ghost forgive a sinner and smile at a homely girl Dec 22 1966 and he made some promise to that

          • 1. Begin it where warm waters halt
            2. and take it in the canyon down.
            3. Not far but to far to walk.
            4. Put in below the home of brown
            5. From there it’s no place for the meek the end is ever drawing nigh.
            6. There will be no paddle up your creek just heavy loads and water high.
            7.if you been wise and found the blaze look quickly down your quest to cease.
            8.your efforts will be worth the cold.
            9.if you are brave and In the wood.

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