188 thoughts on “In the Wood…

    • Hello Joey Davis. With one of my solves, I agree that it would be an unmarked trail through the woods. Another solve, I’m in a meadow, surrounded by trees. Lastly, there’s shrubs around me and trees were there. For me, to pinpoint which, has been a bit difficult.

    • Amy,
      I’m going to help you. It’s not: Stone, Rock, Concrete, Granite, Marble, Metals, Liquid or Gas. Kinda leaves “TREES” and “Bushes”
      Now the question is, “Where” imho

    • If you are brave and in the wood. Brave: ready to face or endure without fear. There are lots of critters out there we all have to be careful of. : )

  1. “If you are brave and in the wood I give you title to the gold.” Is the full quote.
    I think that it is vital that it be read in its entirety, and not just as “In the wood”

    IMO The first part – “If you are brave…” gives you the name of something. Followed by “and In the wood…”.

    “…In the wood…” has four separate meanings in my solve. One meaning is a translation from a language other than English. The second interpretation refers to a big expanse of timber. The third interpretation relates to a smaller stand of timber and the last interpretation relates to the “wood lined” Treasure Chest.

    Why four definitions? The progression of definitions takes me from a global view of where the TC is located, down to the chest itself’.. all important steps that must be taken in order to actually look IN the TC…after which, Forrest will give me title to the gold.

    I have discussed my opinions regarding the “Circular Architecture” of the poem on another strand on this blog. “…in the wood… circles back to “…in there…” in the first stanza. This circling back to the four definitions of “…in the wood…” takes me from the global view, to an exact location of where the TC is hidden…. or at least I hope that it does. I hope to know for sure this week-end.

    All of the above is just my opinion. Please accept it is that…AN opinion.

    Good luck “…in the wood…” to all searchers and STAY SAFE “…in the wood…”


    • JD,

      I’d take it a step further and read stanza 6 back to stanza 5.
      “Hear me all and listen good.” “the answers I already know,”
      If you are brave and in the wood… may be describing the location of the treasure, as emmett state, in the wood or saddle to a mountain pass [ passage or in this case lines up wit creek as a narrow passage ]. and In this case brave simply means to ‘take on a challenge’ Is this challenge only of deciphering the poem or is there another challenge one must face? In the wood, is also a saying for ‘a coffin’. The word wood, is by definition, the center of a horses hoof or coffin bone.
      At one point the words ‘ take the chest and leave my bones’ were in the poem… subtle hint? to bone. Wood is as well, an area between a treeline and an open area… I’m not into this one too much unless that tree line is meant for another reason, such as no trees above this line. The we have petrified wood, should brave be a hint to petrified?
      Could your effort be worth the cold…refer to elevation of that treeline? or the effort of all those failed attempts, you suddenly realize, you didn’t know all the answers at first? is cold meaning the touch of bronze/metal. Could “hear me all and listen good” not have anything to do with hear or listening, but reading…

      Could In the wood refer to all the above? and if so what is the connection… Wood or petrified [ dead ] Cold [dead] no place for the meek [ death ] the end is ever [ as in always – death ] No paddle up your creek, between a rock and hard place [ dead ]
      Heavy loads and water high, in a hole tears of sorrow [ death ]
      Blaze, a marker [ dead ]. As I gone alone in there… Was this poem not meant for fenn to take his last journey? to take it with him? to die.

      Treasures are possessions important to one, valued by one… I asked another searcher what the summery of TTOTC could be. Are Memories not a possession important to one?
      A trove has no ownership and of value… are treasures and trove one in the same in the poem?

      Names of places change overtime, and many times. descriptions, terms [ word choice ] etc, can last a long time. especially when used in a poem… which can use words and phrases completely different to common usage. I agree you need to read the full sentence [ Quote as you put it ]… I like to take it a step further is all.

      Although, I like the thought of your “Global view” I’m not sure where you’re going with that… could you explain more?

      • Seeker;

        You bring up a lot of interesting points…many relating to death. You may be right, but I do not take that view.

        Maybe “Global View” can be translated to looking at “The Big Picture” or “Bigger View”.

        On MW Forest stated, “Your destination is small, but its location is huge (Posted Feb. 19th, 2016)

        My search area starts out in a huge area, but progressively diminishes in size until I am actually looking IN the chest

        Does this help?


        • Yep, I thought that was where you were going with that… but when you used Global, I had to ask.. I have tried to vision a Global solve, but never could wrap y head around anything.

          Even the Big Picture can related to death as well… at least if one reads the poem in this manor. I’m a Multiple Meanings guy, for me to attempt to understand the tone [ for lack of a better word ] of the poem… it needs to be read more than one way.

          I also am starting to think the poem present two clues that leads to the other clues… not so much clues within the poem, but clues at the location of the first two clues “answer”. And why stanza 1 5 6 seem to most as throw away stanzas or intro and summations. They will not be understood till you understand what the poem relates to, and are in the correct spot that ‘tells’ [ hear and listen; yet see and read ] where the chest is.

          If this doesn’t work out … I can always go back to throwing darts.

        • I do not understand your statement? I guess finding the chest is your huge spot, but if that’s not what f meant the the Rockies are huge and compared to that of our starting point which would be small. IMHO

    • “If you are brave…” gives you the name of something.
      Ah Ha, I got it.
      Home of the brave = Home + Home of Brown!
      Brave = beavr = beaver dam.
      Alright, I aint got nothin here.

  2. I believe the chest is hidden in a dip in a small ridge. like a saddle(in the wood). This is why the treasure may be wet. This dip would be a good place to rest, marvel gaze, and be scented in and pillowed down. IMO of course

    • That’s all well, but I think f is saying “TARRY SCANT WITH MARVEL GAZE” . Don’t stand around and get caught at awe . Get “MOVING” imho

      • That’s exactly what the phrase means, no more – no less. Many are making more out of this than what’s there. It’s simply FF’s good advice NOT to tarry with your mouth hanging open after finding the TC. GET AWAY before being discovered and shot.

          • Seeker–
            I would actually feel safer at Fort Knox, than in the wilderness, where other searchers far less morally centered than ourselves would shoot you for a single piece of gold, let alone a chest full of it. Maybe I’m just not as trusting in human nature as others….

        • LabRat – but what do you do if there is more to it? You are being taken to a precise spot by the poem; what if “but tarry scant with marvel gaze” is an alignment process of objects or something else? Wouldn’t that be disappointing if you found the blaze, hadn’t thought about any other possibilities, and there you are staring at your feet, and nothing? Dang, that was a nice vacation.

          • JCM–
            “If you’ve been WISE and found the blaze…” [IMO] the only ‘alignment process’ then to be performed is to “look quickly down…” Yes?

        • Actually I think he is saying the opposite. I do not see a “NOT” or a negative to “tarry”. He is saying to wait around for a little bit. Maybe a geyser? But how would that tell you where the chest is?

          • I’m in the opinion of, that you have to look around awhile maybe it’s not easy to spot.

  3. I’m not reading anything devious from this line.
    I think there are many trees surrounding the area where the chest is.
    As far as brave goes, Grizzlies may out number people there, depending on how many people go there at any given time.
    Good luck racking your brains on this one.

  4. I think, IMO, it’s a treed area where you can smell the trees that Forest mentioned.

    In Oz, our forests don’t have bears, (only Koala Bears) and I think you are all brave for venturing out among them. It sure would put the wind up me, not having a clear view of whats around.

    Y’all stay safe and best wishes.

  5. To me, “in the wood” is an “if” condition that must be met. Wood cells conduct water and minerals. I’m looking for a place that transfers water, at least seasonally. IMO.

      • The thing that stands out to me about this line, is the singular use of the word wood. I would expect it to be plural if describing the woods as being a forested area in general. This indicates to me, it is describing a specific area. Although you would expect the W to be capitalised if it was the name of the river.

        • Wood vs woods is also a regional preference. Where I grew up folks often said they were out in the “wood” all day. I don’t know all the parts of North America that use wood vs woods but I do know that the preference seems regional.

  6. As someone who is motivated by fear, stupidity and imagination, I have no idea what it means to be brave. Maybe I will have to get across a stream by walking on a log or rocks. Maybe in the wood is related to a beaver dam or piles of logs at the stream.

  7. Perhaps ” in the wood” is figurative, a frame of mind. wood is alive, changing, growing, responding to light, dark and temperature. Like an active Imagination that you have to be brave enough to follow….

      • Hello anniebeardo. Your thoughts are interesting. Do you feel Mr. Fenn would want people to cross over a raging cold river in fear the possibility people might lose their balance and fall into the raging waters? Gosh, I’m really not sure he would do this. This is an opinion, offered as a thought.

        • Hey pdenver
          Annie he is right, f has said it is not in a dangerous spot as dangerous in in a dictionary. That’s close to what he said but it sure wouldn’t be in a dangerous spot like that… IMHO

        • Hello pdenver! Not at all. But perhaps it’s in the base of the tree (not over the water) and one might be too scared to get too close. In my experience, it’s cooler near a cold river at a higher altitude. Might be worth the cold to check. =)

          • Hello anniebeardo. Good point. I’ll have to check some maps to look for high altitude rivers. I thought they were in lower elevations. 😉

      • Hey Windy City
        I’, south of you. But want I want to say is you need backup if your going to say anything about what f has ever said. It’s to help everyone know that f did say that so that nobody is getting the wrong information. Also, put in ( to protect you from Dal or Goofy) IMO. that’s: In My Opinion.
        keep talking, you’ve had some good stuff.

        • Thanks Timothy. I guess I thought that “I believe” was synonymous with “in my opinion.” Do you live in Missouri?


          Windy City

  8. One interpretation of “in the wood” is to be informed or ‘in the know.’

    BE INFORMED regarding laws and DANGERS in Yellowstone Park. Walking off boardwalks will get you arrested, for good reasons!!!

    The ground surrounding geothermals is dangerously thin. This camera crew made a foolish decision which could have cost 3rd degree burns or their lives. As a kid I witnessed a dog off leash boiled to his death near morning glory pool.


    • Thanks Lia,
      And another interpretation would be the opposite. Go figure!
      That must have been a horrible sight to see as a child. Thanks for sharing,

    • JohnR, I agree that at times, it could be cold there. I also think
      that a successful solver of the poem will understand that timing can be important in finding the treasure. And I’m not talking
      simply about going when there is no snow on the ground in
      the search area. I am willing to explain why I said all this . . . but not before early September, 2016.

      The above is just my opinion. Yours may differ.

      Good luck to all searchers. Please be safe.

  9. This last stanza is my blaze.

    IMO It is a specific place. I leave to go out west this summer. Florida to New York State then to Ontario, back to the states visiting National Parks all the way as I continue on through Nebraska, So Dakota, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah,back to Wyoming and then to Montana then back to New York State.
    And, when it cools off a bit … Home to Florida. My search area is in Wyoming.
    I can’t make it to Fennboree but I wish I could, I have a prior invitation to a one year olds birthday party. Smiles..

    I haven’t searched with boots on the ground since 2014. In July I went by myself and in the fall of that year I went to Wyoming twice with a partner, however that partnership was disolved very soon afterwards. I have continued working on the poem and am now ready to head out again. So my summer: check out my solve and travel around.

  10. Stepping into the wood is like entering another world – one that may reveal secrets to the perceptive traveler… or, hold unfamiliar dangers for the unprepared. Woods can be isolating, even confining.

    More than a simple gathering of trees, dense woods can cut you off from the world, offering sanctuary for thoughts that badly need organizing. Woods can instill doubt and mystery – once you’ve entered their doorway, you are shrouded in obscurity… always on the edge of being lost.

    Some Native Americans used wood to build dwellings – allowing them to survive in even the harshest environment. Likewise, wood concealed their location and valuable possessions like food and tools.

    Dappled sunlight echoes the movement of the sky when you’re in the wood; reminding you that nature is in control… reminding you that anything could be out there.

  11. I like this thread, it offers a unique perspective, by seeing this final stanza of the poem and this line in particular (If you are brave and in the wood) you think about this as a final hint that you are at the end of the maze (the X on the Map)(all clues in order have been dispensed) hints also confirming, so imagine this as “if” viewing the correct solve at or from it’s conclusion.

    YES it is often easier to solve a maze by beginning at the end and working backward, reversing the process sometimes eliminates taking wrong turns. Think of it as going home the same way you came.

    Sounds a little bizarre at first, sorta like this:

    We shall not cease from exploration
    And the end of all our exploring
    Will be to arrive where we started
    And know the place for the first time.

    When the last of earth left to discover
    Is that which was the beginning;
    At the source of the longest river
    The voice of the hidden waterfall
    And the children in the apple-tree
    T. S. Eliot- 1955 “Through the unknown, unremembered gate”

    Or strange like this:

    “If you should ever think of me when I have passed this vale,”

    What if I said to you “He was brave and is now in the wood” what would you think? Naturally, is he dead? Lost in the wilderness or the Rio G Gorge? Now what “if” it was you; you are brave and in the wood, obviously you are alive not in the wood, so wood could, and should and probably does have a river running through it. So who believes wood could be a, the river, IMO ff means just that and often says it is wet, his poem speaks “your effort will be worth the cold, so take a wade in the wood and be brave you just might find the gold”.

    Tom (enthusiastic) T

    • I think in the wood could be in reference to a river, as long as it’s not too deep. I think marvel gaze could fit in too as a reflection off the water.

      • MikeyJ,

        Rocky Mountain streams, rivers, creeks etc are all low at a certain time of year, late summer is best for wading, if you know the runoff time and ice out time, then understand that there is a very narrow time frame when you effort is worth the cold that you will feel without waders, especially when fishing for trout or gold.

        Right now (May, spring) even the smallest creek is a torrent, so understand the window of opportunity given to us from ff is short, but it is the only time when the danger of being swept away in a thawing rage or summer monsoons is minimal.

        Choose wisely, my friend and blaze on!

        Tom T

        and now it’s time for a commercial;


        • I’ve been following the water levels out of the usgs in Taos they’ve been going up pretty good the last two weeks. I’ve still got a few spots along the banks to check, that are probably a little under water now actually. Other than that, I’ll be waiting until the end of August to ford the river

  12. There is more to this line than meets the eye.
    I was in the mood to drop in to the hood,to give my opinion of being in the wood. 🙂
    So it continues;

  13. Something in the recesses of my memories tells me that “in the wood” means that someone is exploring and blazing trails, or in general “out there doing things”. That it’s related to Daniel Boone.

    I did some searches on the net but haven’t found anything on this. And it’s a shaky memory. But Boone was my childhood hero, and this memory is specific enough that it includes a teacher telling me/my class about this phrase. I’m just not 100% sure though.

    • Buckey Bob,

      “Daniel Boone, when asked if he ever got lost out in the wilderness, replied, “I can’t say I was ever lost, but I was once bewildered for about 3 days.”
      ― Daniel Boone


      No doubt, Boone was brave and in the wood.

      So why is your name BOB? Because in my generation, all the kid’s real name even on birth certificates was Johnny, Bobby, Tommy, and of course another couple were Danny as in Boone, and Davey as in Crockett, and we all wanted a coonskin cap to wear as we read “Battle of the Alamo” or “Call of the Wild”

      Tom T my real name is Tommy Enthusiastic, well Tommy anyway on my birth certificate, I just added the enthusiasm for moderation.

  14. If you are brave and in the wood
    I give you title to the gold

    Knock on wood that I’ve been in the wood($) (plural locations) that are needed to obtain the key…. 🙂

    I wonder if anyone else is on the same track as me… Give me a shout out if you are.

      • Hey Tom T
        You have brought something that has been bothering me since my wife got hurt out there. TV! Everyone see’s the TV programs but they have no clue of the real “danger” that is out there. I just want to mention, mainly to people from central USA to the east coast of the USA. Before any of you decide to head out west you need to know that there is a “silent killer” out in the high Rockies. It’s called AMS, Altitude Sickness, also known as Acute Mountain Sickness. It picks on any body any age any gender. Look it up, as somebody gets AMS going up tails it very very important to stop, that person needs to descend immediately. Going up further can very very detrimental to the person. If it gets bad enough it can lead to death, just like the bends for a diver… Don’t want to be a bummer just know “all” the dangers at different elevations.
        Be Safe and Good Luck on all up and coming searches..

        • Timothy, that’s good advice, my home is at 8,000 feet just south of Santa Fe, NM and I like to play 18 (walking) holes of golf 3-4 times a week.

          Altitude is like diving in depth only the opposite, acclimate slowly and be in good physical condition, that will avoid problems.

          Tom T

  15. In my opinion – “in the wood” tells you exactly where you should be looking.

    It’s not on most maps – but right on – and very masculine and relates to initials – and that’s all I’m going to say about that.

    Happy Hunting !

  16. There’s been a lot of hot and dry discussion about: a.) whether the poem’s clues identify a search area, b.) whether WWWH is the first clue or not, and c.) whether the poem is all you need. I think Stanza One answers all three. You’re probably not going to like it.

    Here’s my take on Stanza One — it’s a WINDOW!

    Agreed, the Rockies are too large for a BOG search. A serious searcher must find a more manageable search area.

    Stanza One is a window like the skylight over Fenn’s shower. You don’t have to look, but it frames some pretty impressive territory.

    “The poem is all you need” has been severed from “ the book is necessary because it contains the poem” … I think that is not ‘all the truth’… Because Stanza One tells you in one word that you really need the book. How else could you know where the “I” has gone alone, what his treasure bold is, his secret where, or hear his hints of riches? The searcher must be intimately familiar with the book to know those things. This is not an accidental chase, we are not sifting thru a trash heap at an archeology site. Every thing is deliberately placed.

    IMO, here’s HOW Stanza One tells you to search:

    “AS” is a simile word, a comparative. It means there is at least one precursor describing Fenn’s having “gone alone in there.” That precursor must be in the poem or the book. I’m guessing the book. And there is more than one example.

    “I have gone alone” identifies the “secret where”. It is a temporal dimension, not a tactile place. Our temporal self is our dreams, fantasies, imagination, memories. We can each go there only alone. Writing a memoir gives others a kind of WINDOW into our memories, but others cannot go there. It is our solitary personal dimension. The trick will be turning mental dimensions into a tactile place to search for Indulgence. This is really abstract-thinking territory.

    “In there” assumes an “out there”… In & out requires a threshold, a boundary or edge, a line-in-the-sand like that marble ring. A good motif for isolating a particular view is a window, it’s like the frame on the artist’s paintings in the gallery. They both have shape, borders, transparency, penetrability, and even chases. And some big windows are right there at the starting place, FIRST GRADE, with all those in and out kids. Work with the motif, symbols are language. Also, look up fenestration in the dictionary. For fun, alter the spelling a bit, and voila! This chase is a Fennestration!

    At first I thought Stanza One might identify the search area by window characteristics… defined borders, a rectangular shape like a map or some states, though that’s way too big. Maybe an airport, a military base or fort, a campus or park. It could be circular or arched, but a place with defined borders. I doubted that Indulgence would be ‘IN’ some unlimited free-flowing expanse. But artists can fit a whole lot of acreage into a 20×30” canvas. That dimension thing is so … abstract.

    Now I think Stanza One frames the search area by the window references in the book. I’ve already mentioned some, here’s how I read the others:
    It’s next to a reservation because grandma had her nose pressed against the window to watch Comanches chase chickens. A cemetery or memorial is at the bottom because Forrest slipped out and sat on a gravestone to think under the stars a block north of his bed. Perhaps a post office, or pony express station is in view because mom was looking thru the window for the post man. Some white is on the ground where Olga’s bones floated down. Sound tracks of Gypsy music are on the East, or are they RR tracks? And just outside the window, look for some kind of a big old fire slide.

    Thats my guess. What do you think? OS2. 5/20/16

    • I agree with most everything you said and have been working off a similar idea for a while now. We’ll see. I start my 2000 mile trek to the west in 4 days.
      If the window theory is correct, I’ll know soon enough.

      • Good luck eagles, please let me how your theory worked out. I’d love to compare notes. I am an armchair searcher, no boots on the ground.

        • Thank you os2, I appreciate the well wishes. I would love to compare notes after I make this final trip. Unfortunately the distance prohibits me from making multiple trips.
          Would you agree that you determined that there was a window by what f said in jump starting the learning curve?
          Imo, that chapter and the imp lit chapter plus the war for me, holds most the clues/hints you need to solve the poem.

          • Eagle, I dont quite understand your question… In the book, Fenn said there was a window right next to his desk. He jumped thru it into the fire slide tube (I’m an old timer, I actually remember those things). If a window is the motif for the search area, some kind of a fire slide might be just outside the border of the search area. Hebgen had an earthquake slide, I don’t know if there was a fire too.

          • I was specifically referring to. .”about that time my father gave me a look and I mean REALLY a look. I was sure a window pane somewhere in Mississippi was about to break”. At the of the page his father says, ” okay son, what have we learned from all of this? Check out pg 25.

    • Sorry, This was supposed to go on The Nines… got a new computer and new email address…must have screwed up.

      • That’s ok OS2 everything you stated sounded real viable . If at all possible is there anyway that it could be broken out even further. I really like the window frame idea, a lot. What I have now is based on a similar theory. I won’t be sure until I can get BOTG and even then it won’t be easy. The only thing that bothers me is “in the wood”!
        Wood being, trees, bushes or wooden cabins that are located in the wood. F has has made a specific item part of this search. Heck, if you park on any road in or by the Rockies your in the wood and because of the sun light being blocked out by the trees the temperatures are cool “in the wood”, sometimes they are down right COLD.

        • Hi Tim… I was only working on Stanza One… stanzas 2-3-& 4 seem to describe the journey, but you need a manageable starting area first. I think Stanza One doesn’t tell you where it is, but how to look for it.

          There there’s lots of other meanings for wood besides trees. My original thought was Brave & in the wood was a wooden Indian. About a hundred years ago I visited Buffalo Bill museum in Cody when it was very new and small, I think there were wooden Indian pillars or something outside, so I thought it meant in the museum.

          What my post showed was a style of clue interpretation that I don’t think has been posted here… there are probably similar ones you could assemble, should assemble, before you make an expensive trip. But have fun and make it memorable.

    • OS2,

      This is an older post of mine called Out the Window;
      your WINDOW brings it again to mind, FWIW:

      Out the Window:

      There are many themes and threads that Forrest Fenn paints in TTOTC, with many side paths, segues and twists. But what is the primary theme in TTOTC and Forrest’s life, at least as he is communicating to us?

      He sneaked out the window to the cemetery and to a camp of dancing gypsies, he sneaked out the classroom window and down a rusty slide that marked his escape to freedom, he shot songbirds and stole pies, he drove (and ran) 1,600 miles with his brother with no licenses, he roped a car to a bison, bathed naked in the Firehole, he stranded VIP’s in the woods, clung to a milk truck and delivered milk to undressed housewives, he impersonated a college student to be with friends, peed in a gas tank, compelled a helicopter and pilot to risky territory to his “secret alone”, touched rare paintings with children, enjoyed parental letters calling him a fraud, started an art gallery without a clue, sold forgeries and was resented by dealers, hobnobbed with the rich and famous, confronted Bella Abzug and the NY Times, spread ashes on sacred Taos mountain from his plane window, took off on flights of discovery without destinations, wrote and published his own books with made-up words and mistakes, took the fork in the road “together” with Peggy, designed and cast bronze bells to bury for future explorers to find, filled an ancient treasure chest with riches and hid it, spent 15 years writing a poem like an architect for the chase, and still wants to throw himself on top of the treasure chest to die in the sun and dare you to find him!

      All the while he was responsible for his own education, contrasted with his father’s formal education, but with his father’s philosophical support as told in stories and quotes, and was free in part because Peggy “allowed me the luxury of doing the things I thought were important.” He was a fake cadet, but a real husband, pilot, and art dealer.

      Forrest’s profound statement in “My War for Me”, the one chapter in TTOTC that Forrest told us not to miss, is that we are all there for others, everyone. It took him years to connect his experiences in Indochina and above Philadelphia to understand this. You matter if you matter to yourself (“all I have is my name”), and you matter to yourself if you are good to others, so as not to waste your turn.

      You don’t need 15 minutes of fame or to kill a president to be remembered. You matter if you made life better for others. “So, to be important I only need to impress myself only to me. And I can do that if others are positively affected by what they see in me or see me do.”

      And yet, he puts forth extensive and detailed efforts (“I thought of everything”) to apply his wealth and skills to be known and remembered, to create a lasting legacy. Despite all his experiences and accomplishments, he still feels inadequate in comparison to his father’s deeds (Father on the Banco). His father worked to improve the lives of children, and Forrest was good at taking care of himself and his family. Despite his worthy accomplishments, his insecurity lingers, and he remains humble and true to his origins. He said he lead a charmed life, so he must feel very blessed.

      So if he is at “peace with all of it”, why does he need to go through such great lengths in the public arena to be remembered? His family and dear friends are there for him, and he has his pueblo to explore endlessly. “So why is it that I must go and leave my trove for all to seek?” That was his question he put in the poem, but did he give the complete answer?

      Forrest faced death when he was 58, yet with the love and help of his family he was given a new lease on life. Did this death sentence instill in him a need to ensure his immortality, or to at least approximate it with the significant resources he had at hand?

      So he is at peace with all of it, or perhaps not. After he got cancer the idea for hiding a treasure chest hit him: “…after the probability of my fate had finally hit bottom, I got an idea.” And later, “I’ve never been willing to stand idly by and be part of a forgotten history when I may be able to impact future events”, so he designed, cast and buried bells and jars filled with his autobiography to impart a future, unknown legacy.

      So part of being at peace with all of it also involves going out the window to the future in multiple creative ways.

      But he is apparently not bitter or hurtful to people, and shares greatly with others in his reach for remembrance, and has given to us our own quest if we want it. He is with us, not against us. He reaches out for us, and doesn’t recede.

      Forrest does not wish to go gently into that good night, but rather to rage against it with his own creations of mind and hands with everything he’s got left, all the while watching that energy fade from the man in his mirror, and with the embrace of family, friends and strangers by the thousands willing to join him by his side.

      I believe it is this:
      Forrest always chose the alternate path, chose freedom, the road less taken, rules and protocol be damned. He escaped from the clutches of the ordinary. But he was still there for others, as they were for him.

      He is still 13 and doing it the different way:
      He is sneaking out the Window once again.

      This is what the Chase is all about.

      And to get that treasure chest, you will need to sneak out the right window.

      “Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night”

      Do not go gentle into that good night,
      Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

      Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
      Because their words had forked no lightning they
      Do not go gentle into that good night.

      Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
      Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

      Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
      And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
      Do not go gentle into that good night.

      Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
      Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

      And you, my father, there on that sad height,
      Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
      Do not go gentle into that good night.
      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
      -Dylan Thomas


      • “So why is it I must go and leave my trove for all to seek?”
        “My part will be very small in the big picture but huge to me.”

      • A very nice compilation Halo. I think we’re all charmed by ff’s stunning life & philosophy – but how does all that fit into this treasure hunt? I don’t dismiss all the art and beauty, its dimension is as genetic as truth, justice, and empathy, but I think he hid the TC by using the other side of his cranium.

        Also, I can’t speak for FF, but I assume that he felt he had given all the necessary data to map the chase in TTOTC.
        The blogs, scrapbooks, interviews, and TFTW were unexpected add-ons.

        I think that during his cancer years, an autobiography may have been brewing. When the treasure hunt idea emerged, he combined the two. A good hidey place was already on a low shelf in his mental pantry, and the face of death often makes one generous. But creating actual clues had to be drawn around the hidey location, not from self-analysis of personal and emotional growth for the autobio. It’s difficult to separate the two purposes because neither can present “all the truth”, & it’s very difficult to squeeze the vast into thin books, much less short posts. Its what poetry does so well.

        Thanks, OS2, PS, love Dylan too.

        • PPS Halo. I guess my point was, think less about extracting info from the stories and more about creating the stories & clues. Start at the far end and work forward.

          • I like this idea of end to the beginning or thinking backwards at least in regard to the creating of the chase. I would like to just throw in my 2 cents on something else however.

            You said: “but I think he hid the TC by using the other side of his cranium.” A bit of a personal pet peeve of mine. I feel it is a false dichotomy. There are perfect balances of passion and logic. Math can be elegant, beautiful and even elicit emotion in ways art could never hope to. Art can be perfectly engineered and the product of mechanical Ideals.

            Chess is definitely a game of logic but pure logic cannot solve it. You are not playing against math, you are playing against a person, you need a bit of both. I feel the thrill of the chase is the same way. When logic works we use logic, when it fails and makes little/no sense we have to attempt to understand the thoughts and emotions of our opponent (In this case Fenn).

            On the same topic, in another post you mention both computers and the operation of anothers mind. There are entire fields of study into just that. As much as we don’t like the idea we are not terribly different from computers. When attempting reverse engineering the first step should be to understand the intentions of the engineer.

            Again, just how I feel. I wouldn’t want to see someone like you who is forging through less trod but reasonable ground limit their options because they don’t think they can do something or assumed it was not done.

      • Halo – nice to see you back. Thanks for your insightful post about FF.

        Viewing the man through your lense helps to keep solution related craziness in perspective.

      • Halo getter,
        That was an excellent write up, my only disagreement would be Mr. Fenns insecurities, I don’t see them. Everything else however was well thought out, this post I will read again. Thank you for your insight.

      • Now that’s a guy I would love to tag along with!

        Nicely said Halo, sounds like you are friends with Forrest.

  17. OS2, something tells me that your new computer system is fine, it is that archaic os2 operating system you need to fix, but obviously, you have got IMO the gist of the first stanza.

    I have always felt that the use of “As” I have gone alone in there, insinuated that he had been “in there” with someone who is guaranteed to keep his secret “where” (place) (blaze) because that person is dead, so call it a hunch or just a gut feeling but usually a special place in your memory has another important element, LOVE, no matter how you may perceive reality, or how you use logic, WE as human beings are feeling creatures who feel first and the we “think” this first stanza is setting the tone for feelings and IMO it is a hint (s), not a clue.

    All of these WINDOWS, of which you speak, are the words which have a multitude of meanings, ff likes us to choose the meaning of such things from our own point of reference, the confusion of ff’s definition is created by us, not him, so just like the word “Blaze”, to him it means one thing, to us a multitude of “places” are possible “in there”, that is our IMAGINATION at work. We all seem to have an opinion on these words and ff likes to fuel that, it gives him a kick, (STELLAR NAVIGATION? seriously? ff is still laughing he even comments on it!) the only way to narrow the meaning of clues and hints is to use ff’s frame of reference, otherwise we need to stay at home and play Canasta.

    “And with my treasures BOLD” to a man like ff who has experienced a lot of heart pounding experiences and survived, bold is a BOLD statement, so something an 80 year old like him might consider risky, but “doable” might be something like a hot air balloon ride, parachute from a plane, like Bush 41 did:


    It might not be super hard “physically” but ff had to be bold in some way to accomplish stashing the TC at it’s location.

    That is not to say I am any closer than you or anyone else to the solve, but this last line in stanza one suggest using ff feelings and logic, that HINT is just as important as a CLUE, the only difference is Clues move you geographically closer to the TC, and hints confirm that you have the correct solve using ff road map to the “special place”.

    Now that’s all I have to say about that:

    “Sometimes when people go to Vietnam, they go home to their mommas without legs. Sometimes they don’t go home at all. That’s a bad thing. That’s about all I have to say about that.”

    FF GUMP, unfortunately his microphone was not on in front of all those people? Feelings anyone? Well do not watch this from ff’s perspective, unless you have lots of tissue…




    Tom T

  18. Tom, My name was originally Old Shadows. I lean toward brutal brevity and began using OS, but the search function brought up every word with an OS in it, so I evolved to OS2. I am totally pre-tech. I replaced my old PC with a huge apple thing and my tech-savvy kids had a nightmare exporting my old Vista/Word files over. I may shorten my windows theory & re-post it on The Nines…when I figure out how.


    I’ll have to ponder your thoughts a while, emotions are not part of the dimensions I was speaking of (reread Teachers With Ropes). Also. I have resistance to absorbing what someone says when they start expanding on what a 3rd party thinks or feels, etc. I learned from Judge Judy that we “can’t know the operation of another’s mind”. Tell me what you think, feel, intend, want. Thanks for your input.

    • Brevity is a virtue OS2, and the economy of words is a gift, few have it and some like you and I try to find it, but people like ff are geniuses at the obscure, even to the point that we may spend much of our time analysing his (their) thoughts, but the truth will come to us all when the TC is found, and it could well be simply understanding the difference between a clue and a hint, both of which were in ff’s poem, not just hints in the book which are sprinkled and difficult to recognize…

      In June I will attempt my 30th BOG hunt, and the evolution of my search area has been formed by a simple principle; what would Forrest Fenn use to describe “my” no “his” favorite place in the WOOD, since, and if we can start there in the wood and work back it is like reverse engineering the correct solve, to me that makes this work a lot easier, but I have been wrong 29 times before so like Thomas Edison, I have not failed, I now know 29 ways not to create a light bulb..

      Tom T

  19. Good luck Tom, 30th time is the lucky one. Can you reveal what influenced you to choose your general location? Did you keep any particular elements of the book in mind when searched on GE? I try to keep geography in mind, but history and descriptive place names keep sticking their nose into the tent.

    • I assure you Colorado, is in the middle, and you know it is 90 miles to the border from Santa FE, NM

      There are places where I feel ff must have flown over in traveling to Yellowstone, and he is very, very keen on target acquisition, what did he do in Nam?

      I must go above the 37th latitude to see my target. I think my entire distance is less than 150 miles from Santa Fe, and one significant marker of note is the Great Sand Dunes Natl Monument and they never blow away. but that is near the canyon down IMO.

      Tom T

      • Aways back I tried to measure the 90 miles that was mentioned in the Olga story. Posts implied that Wheeler Mt was the mythical Taos Mt.,where here bones were dropped, but my untrustworthy GE ruler tool,indicated it was Costilla mt. That mt. has some unique attributes.

  20. Hey Eagle, Theres no REPLY at your last post, so I’m restarting here.
    I’ve no solid association between that Mississippi window & the search-area window… got several wobbly ones. I console myself with the thought a good puzzle maker would throw in the word a couple extra times just to dilute the soup. For the moment I must accept it’s preponderance and dismiss All and Absolute as mental comforts for the weak and tired.

      • I didn’t think Mississippi had anything to do with it either… just a creative expression that our inner kid would laugh at and understand as a distant place. Maybe it was word play about pane and pain. Or something else.. I liked the expression.

  21. I recently got into trouble with my wife, but I apologized and tried to make things right, but I’m not OUT OF THE WOODS yet. So I guess I’m in the wood(s)? Maybe I need to be BRAVE?

    • “So hear me all and listen good,”
      Your effort will be worth the cold.”
      “If you are brave & (opposite of out of the woods)” paraphrasing
      “I give you title to the gold.”

      If you are not “out of the woods” you need to be brave for in some sense you may still be in some type of potential peril…

      FF’s stick figure drawings at TC site showed people with guns and jumping mad etc. IMO FF is simply trying to tell us again not to stay long at the site.

      Bear spray is $50 and has only a few sprays per can and is made of hot pepper capsacin. Not trying to scare anyone…like it says on the can…it’s better to be prepared. Don’t rub your eyes after spraying and use olive oil etc to relieve sting if you do get in eyes.

  22. Brave & in the wood possibility:

    T.S. Eliot & Sir Thomas Brown refer to “Yew wood” in their writings.
    Yew trees are toxic, but used to treat cancer, symbolic of death, found in cemeteries, were used by Northwestern Native Americans & Ancient cultures of Europe to form the best hunting/military Bows. While it’s only indigenous to far NW Montana (not Wy, Co, Nm) it may still be a valid interpretation for consideration in the words/letters of the poem. If Yew are brave and in the wood…

    • Forgot to post the Thomas Brown info:
      Browne, in his Hydriotaphia Urne-buriall, tell us, that among the ancients, “the funerall pyre consisted of sweet fuell, cypresse, firre, larix, YEWE, and trees perpetually verdant.” And he asks, or rather observes, “Whether the planting of yewe in churchyards holds its original from ancient funerall rites, or as an embleme of resurrection from its perpetual verdure, may also admit conjecture.”

      Yes, it admits of conjecture, and in all likelihood man’s choice of the yew for funeral associations was determined by its appearance, its longevity, its utility in supplying material for weapons, and its need of segregation on account of its poisonous qualities; in fact, nearly all the suggested facts seem to have played some part in establishing the yew tree where we mostly find it.

      T.S. Eliot refers to Yew wood in his Four Quart/Little Gidding

    • Dang….
      “So hear me all and listen good,”
      Your effort will be worth the cold.”
      “If you are brave and in the wood”
      “I give you title to the gold.”

      Yew trees are toxic and symbolize death”
      “In the wood?”
      “Worth the cold?”


      It’s a trap!
      Evil Forrest is evil.

  23. It’s interesting the use of “in the wood” as that is more of a British saying. Not that really means anything since ‘wood’ rhymes with ‘Good’ more than woods or forest or trees.

    “In the wood” is also a pub saying, “Put one in the wood for him” meaning, “reserve a pint of beer to give him when he arrives.”

    Maybe there is pint of beer waiting with the chest. 🙂

    Or it could also mean that it is buried.
    If you read the ballad “children in the wood”, it talks about a mean uncle that is supposed to take care of his niece and nephew after his brother and sis-in-law dies. Instead, he has a guy take them out and leave them in the wood. Where they end up starving to death. There the birds cover the bodies with leaves.
    God’s wrath takes care of the uncle.

    So, did he cover the chest with leaves, branches….?

    just something to throw out there in this huge mix of things.

    One other off topic thing.

    His comment, “I made to trips in one afternoon…”
    Everyone always looks at the “two trips” part of that to think how far from a parking area.
    But the “Afternoon” has me thinking.
    Why wasn’t it “two trips in the morning”?
    I figure FF to be a morning kind of guy. And if he was going to hide a treasure this day, it seems to me that it would of been all ready to go the night before. And the anticipation of hiding it would keep sleep away and you would leave early in the morning. Plus, why risk afternoon storms.
    It took a few hours getting to the spot.
    Remember, this is total speculation. An opinion.

    It just makes me wonder if it was about 3 to 4 hours away from Santa Fe.
    He gets up early, 6 or 7ish. Makes breakfast. packs everything.
    Leaves around 8. Drives for 3 or 4 hours. Maybe stops and eats lunch.
    Then around 1ish, he leaves the car for his first trek into the wood!

    just a thought.

    • Mark,
      “Why wasn’t it “two trips in the morning”?”

      I’d bet he was fishing near the hidey spot in the morning, scoping the place out to make sure no one was around.

    • I believe Forrest is a night owl…he makes frequent remarks about sitting by his fire late into the evening…even after midnight. Perhaps Peggy goes shopping or has social engagements in the afternoon that allow him to leave the house undetected for a few hours.Which isn’t to say I don’t follow where you are going with this. I do. But I think it’s a lot closer than 3 or 4 hours from Santa Fe. IMO

        • Seattle, I don’t know what Tanqueray is. Give me a moment to figure that one out and I’ll be back to render an opinion.

        • Ok Seattle – I’m back. I was thinking Fen Gin, but Tanquerey has a nice tie in:

          The only distilling facility to survive the “Axis” bombing, now known as Old Tom has since been moved to “Cameron” Bridge, Scotland.

          And it’s #10

          Tan-que-Ray is a decriptor of the sun blaze on NM’s flag.

          Is it served on triple crown day? I hold nosebleed tickets to The Belmont Stakes. In fact I can’t use my tickets if you want them Seattle.

          The Belmont has interesting ties to Fenn’s namesake – winning horse of the 3rd running is “Fenian” mounted atop the original Tiffany holy grail Trophy.

          Preakness trophy is the Woodlawn”

          Derby trophy is the “golden Cupola” cup with a lucky horse shoe.

          I have a solution built around horse racing, NA horse culture and the oldest known horse fossil discovered in Idaho.

          Fun solve to be sure, but alas not a winner…YET!

          I’m a philly worth betting on.

  24. I’d like a shot at this…..in my opinion, some one awhile back used “in the wood” as a reference to a wooden witness stand. In my solve, it relates but here is how it fits. First, I believe the final clue is not WRITTEN in the poem , but is in the poem. Let me explain. The poem revolves around wit. Cleaver wit, that’s why my book is titled ” Well Knit Wit” . I believe the final clue relates to food, especially over a grill. If you are in the ‘Wit-ness” stand, you are likely getting “grilled”. You see, when Forrest said “don’t mess with my poem”, i.m.o. it means “don’t eat with my poem”…i.e. “mess hall”. Does anyone REALLY think he would go lay next to the treasure and die? Think about it , “Die and leave his bones”. Forrest does cast bronze. He is a BRAZIER. (BRAVE / BLAZE). It is “DYE” cast, like the pre Colombian jaguar and frog. Forrest would not say “bye Peggy, I’m off to die” and leave a rotting corps for some 10 year old to find and be traumatized for life. No. But he would cook a chicken or trout over a camp fire and leave the bones , likely while molding a jar or a bell.
    Food? See if you can find ” Salt Fats”. Hint: “So….And Leave my Trove For All To Seek.

    • Hi Bill,
      I like some of your out of the box thinking.
      “I believe the final clue relates to food, especially over a grill.”
      Are you sure you don’t have the munchies instead?
      Although, I think the final clue is “blaze” & when your in the wood, what better fuel for the grill.
      Or maybe the clue “blaze” is “blaze up” instead of “look quickly down?”

    • Seattlesullivan, you stated;
      “Does anyone REALLY think he would go lay next to the treasure and die? Think about it , “Die and leave his bones”. . . “Forrest would not say “bye Peggy, I’m off to die” and leave a rotting corps for some 10 year old to find and be traumatized for life.”

      OPINION or not… fenn tells of his plan to do exactly what you say he would not. How can you be so sure of your contradiction to what fenn has stated?

      It’s the PREMISE of the whole Kittinkaboodle…
      The whole reason to hide the chest, write a poem, a book and offer the readers this challenge… But he ruined the story by recovering. Remember the part; “take it with him”…?

      Do you REALLY know what your talking about?
      Do you Know Forrest Fenn personally, to make this statement his story BS?

  25. Allow me to make a realation to wood and time. What is in wood, well the rings of the tree of course, but what does that have to do with time. For one you can tell how old a tree is due to the rings but does it go even further. I’ve been a man of science and I’m always intrigued with anything science. Well how can time know how old a piece of wood is if the tree is not alive? Or even where it came from? The answer tree ring dating or dendrochronology https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochronology .
    Well you might think, are all of the rings in a tree the same? No, depending on how much precipitation happened in the area where a tree is growing it will grow bigger during that year and the ring will be bigger. This is like a finger print to the tree from where it came from. How does this have to do with time and wood? Trees fall in the woods all the time even if your not there to listen to them leaving there finger print of time on the forest floor. With research scientists can determine where and when a piece of wood came from. Can wood equal time in the poem? Sometimes being brave means, being brave over time and death.

  26. This “wooden” flow of a conversation seems to run cold into the territory of Too Far to Walk, guess that is when there is “no paddle up your creek”, so how do you get there? Drive maybe? No, I think you just let the engineer do the driving, or is it a pilot? Maybe ff? Surely he has flown over it on his way to Jelly-stone?

    Now what is the name of that river? I hope by now you are on the right track,,,seems like it would be a great target.

    Tom T

    PS I guess ff will have to use a ladder to get to “Waters High” to put his bike in?

  27. Once wood is burned, it will survive in the ground for thousands of years and becomes charred organic material.

    Charcoal related?


  28. How do we get paper? First it’s wood then it’s pulp to make paper.

    This machine in the video is cutting trees so fast. Reminds me of the man with his foot on the stump in the field of cut trees looking at the dove in the crescent moon.


    • Recycle. Recycle. I try, but fail when it comes to my favorite modern convenience… Toilet paper. Also, retraining my family is an ongoing effort.

      23kachinas – is that machine called a grapple skidder?

    • ..a swollen tributary feeding the Gallatin? It looks like a Spanish Peak in the background.. so I’ll guess Spanish Creek.

      It looks great, but I’m waiting for better weather. Have fun, and be very careful crossing the creek if you must.

  29. Can’t see “the wood” for the trees.

    “Don’t underestimate the value of Doing Nothing, of just going along, listening to all the things you can’t hear, and not bothering.“

    A.A. Milne

  30. There seems to be infinite theories floating around about what f meant when he wrote..

    “If you are brave and in the wood I give you title to the gold”

    Here is one idea I’ve been toying with.

    Forrest made the statement “I know the treasure chest is wet” in a New Mexico tourism video. Could this be a hint? And maybe this also refers to wood? The poem does say (title to the gold if in the wood)

    The word is weht from Proto Indo European

    Germanic: *wōdaz ‎(“mad, furious, possessed”) from which we get wood.

    So is it safe to assume that wherever the wood is, is where indulgence lies? Might “in the wood” also be the blaze?

    Recently Forrest mentioned his buried jars and also noted that they are protected from moisture “wet” might this be a hint that the chest is buried after all?

    Just some things to think over 🙂

    Good day

  31. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
    And sorry I could not travel both
    And be one traveler, long I stood
    And looked down one as far as I could
    To where it bent in the undergrowth.

    Then took the other, as just as fair,
    And having perhaps the better claim,
    Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
    Though as for that the passing there
    Had worn them really about the same.

    And both that morning equally lay
    In leaves no step had trodden black.
    Oh, I kept the first for another day!
    Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
    I doubted if I should ever come back.

    I shall be telling this with a sigh
    Somewhere ages and ages hence:
    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I–
    I took the one less traveled by,
    And that has made all the difference.
    -Robert Frost

    There are no shortcuts.
    – Forrest Fenn

  32. Very new here. But I think “in the wood” could refer to a “knot” in wood or “grain”. Might mean that u are so involved that you have become part of the poem in a sense. You know it so well that you are a knot in the wood itself. Sounds strange but kind of means that to me.

  33. I have a question for Forrest. This may sound like a strange one, but is ANYONE entitled to the gold? I pose this question because of a sentence in the poem. This sentence is “If you are brave and in the wood”. Now, the word “brave” is often used for Indians (Atlanta Braves for example).

    If the treasure were to be hidden on an Indian Reservation is “anyone” entitled to the gold—or do the words “If you are brave” (if you are an American Indian living on that reservation) you will be given the title.

    I know it’s a strange question, but wanted to ask. I believe that anyone is entitled to search for the treasure—-but are all entitled to claim it?

  34. IMO…It seems it could be a likeness to the family leaving their possessions by driving two miles into Yellowstone and driving off the road into the trees and unload the trailer, and cover it with a tarp for the winter. (hopefully there are no porcupines messing with the chest) It’s in a place no one has gone to except Mr. Fenn, obviously. He has said if he were able to relive his life, he would do it different. I believe since moving to New Mexico, he has created his own legacy by hiding his chest in correlation to his surroundings. The Yellowstone experience is in the past. He has lived in New Mexico for 45 years, why wouldn’t he have new adventures and new discoveries be his inspiration to write the poem and keep his secret where? In the wood, in New Mexico.

  35. Many folks have mentioned the idea of death, cycle of life, etc., and other
    related things — that some may call “spiritual”. Although FF has stressed
    that the TC is not hidden in a cemetery, I have recently had a thought
    about the phrase “brave and in the wood”.

    FF has said that the TC is not in a dangerous place. I take this to mean
    that it’s not PARTICULARLY dangerous, compared, to, say, strolling
    through a “statistically-average” county park. In other words, one would
    not have to rappel down a cliff to get to the hidey place. He was quick
    to point out that any place can be dangerous under some circumstances.
    In other words, don’t trip, fall, and break your hip . . . or the like.

    So why would one need to be BRAVE? Aside from the reference to
    Native Americans, I’m thinking in terms of courage. But if physical
    danger is not excessive there, then perhaps he is thinking of some
    place that is “spooky” or “scary” for other reasons. Hold that thought
    for a few seconds, okay? . . .

    . . . Now, I remember in TTOTC, FF talked about sneaking out of his
    bedroom at night, and going alone into the local cemetery. He said
    that “It took guts to go in there . . .”

    Even though this was specifically at night that he went in there alone,
    he brought up the fact that (for many people), a graveyard is — or can
    be — a scary place. It does put many people ill at ease, even during
    the day.

    I think there may be a mental connection between a graveyard and
    the place where the TC is hidden. Perhaps something that reminds
    him of a graveyard. Just a thought. If this “holds water”, then that
    part of TTOTC may be considered a small hint that bolsters my solve.

    My last BOTG search indicated to me that this thought has some
    validity, based on what I observed there. It’s way different than what
    is shown by a map, and this is one reason that a BOTG search can
    be so valuable, after an at-home-on-the-computer search, at least
    regarding the last clue(s). The visual experience for me was quite
    striking, during the middle of a cloudless day. Not scary to me, but
    at the time, I wasn’t carrying the memory of having been in a war in
    which many thousands of people were killed. I think the fact that FF
    has said that “My War For Me” is the most important chapter in the
    book TTOTC supports these ideas of mine.

    Although I’m not “anti-adventure”, “anti-travel”, “anti-vacation”, or
    anything like that (in fact, I think hiking is a great thing to do), I am
    painfully aware that it’s typically expensive to take a long trip. So
    I suggest that a searcher do the analysis of the poem — in
    excruciating detail, like I did — before hitting the road. Even with
    all my analysis, in which I have a high degree of confidence, I have
    so far made two search trips, both toward the final “search zone”,
    and still haven’t seen the TC. I think I’m on the right path, though,
    and hope that my next search trip (probably in the spring or summer
    of 2017) will be the lucky one. In any case, the first two trips were
    quite enjoyable, informative, and very scenic. And, unfortunately,
    also expensive.

    The above is just my opinion. Yours may differ.

    Good luck to all searchers. Please be safe.

  36. There are dense or sparse trees almost everywhere in the Rockies. The TC may be in a small grove of perhaps 15 trees, in an otherwise sparsely-treed area. Although this would tend to conceal the TC, the location is so out-of-the-way (remember that FF has said that there is not a human trail “in
    close proximaty” to the TC) that people won’t be going there “randomly” —
    that is, not as searchers on the Fenn hunt — , for hundreds of years. But
    the fact that there is a grove of trees of a good size suggests to me that the ground is stable and not shifting very rapidly. So maybe the TC won’t move around much very soon. A good place for it to be, if FF wants it to still be
    there a thousand years from now. Since it’s not on a mountaintop, it’s not
    likely to be hit by lightning. In fact, there are no highly-dense forests near
    here, that are dense enough, in my opinion, to spread a fire to the location
    where the TC is. I think FF did a great job in finding a secure, “safe”, and
    stable out-of-the-way location for the TC.

    The above is all just my opinion. Yours may differ. Please stay safe.

  37. I finally found some wood you have to be brave in. My solve led me right to this spot and the hair stood up on the back of my neck when I came around the corner of the creek. Unexpectedly my headlamp exposed a bright shiny blaze submerged in the middle of one of the tunnels. (Referring to my pic). Although my heart was pounding out of my chest, of course I did not find a chest. Maybe that blaze needs better inspection. It’s amazing what we find in all our searches. You can make the poem fit in whatever your mind can dream up. This is roughly my 20th BOTG trip searching MT, WY, and NM. Like many searchers, I am still confident in my latest solve and plan on more investigation of the area. Everything just fits, just like everyone else’s does. Have had such a great time getting out there and turning over a few logs. I love reading the blogs. Some wild rides going on out there. I have been somewhat of a scavenger on Dal’s blog over the last 3 years and hope to join in the fun more often and maybe even contribute something. You know how think you have a tasty tid bit of info, that you feel so strongly about, and want to share, but after all the time, research and BOTG you just can’t part with? I’m working on it. I guess like most folks I was hoping to share those things when the time was right. When I have found the TC. Maybe solo isn’t the way to go after all. Just needed to vent a little. That’s 2 minutes of your life you will never get back, and for that I apologize. Best of luck everyone!

    • Would you mind sharing what general area your solve is in? I’m in the camp that thinks there is a good chance it is buried.

      • In the vicinity of YNP. I somewhat agree with buried. I have spent a lot of time in remote places and every time I have had that feeling that I may be the first person ever to stand in this spot, I am disappointed to find the contrary. That being said, I think it would be almost impossible for something like a TC to be just sitting in the open, anywhere an 80 year old would go, without someone eventually stumbling on to it. My guess is the chest is covered by rocks or in a small hole of sorts and then covered. I’m pretty sure Fenn said that no tools are need to recover the chest.
        Best of luck in your search.

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