214 thoughts on “Looking in Montana and Wyoming…

    • Jake,

      I’ll take that bet , and raise you a nickel.

      I will eat YOUR hat if it’s not found within a 3,000′ radius of my blaze. In NM.

      extra onions, mustard and mayo.

      • Now that’s BOLD Roll.
        3,000′ Radius?
        I should have warned you my hat smells sweaty, dirty & nasty.
        I am in South Florida where the temps get in to 90’s quite often I always wear it outside. The sweat & oils from my forehead have disintegrated parts of the rim.
        Good luck!

        • Yes, you heard me correct. 3,000′.
          We are The Crimson Tide.
          Sweaty, dirty and nasty ?
          That’s what keeps putting those shiny championship trophies in our display cases.
          We show up to kick azz and chew bubble gum.
          And we’re all out of bubble gum.

          3,000 foot radius.

    • The treasure chest ~was~ in New Mexico — about 6 years ago. [grin] But anyone who thinks it’s there now should stay home and play canasta until they figure out the correct WWWH.

      • Zap,
        Would it be safe to say the treasure has been in all 4 states if it’s in Montana?
        That would give a whole new meaning to the map.
        We know you cannot take it with you on a commercial flight, so he had to drive or book a private charter flight.

      • Hi Jake — yes, I’m dying to know how he got Indulgence to southwest Montana. A commercial flight is certainly out, I doubt his pilot’s license was active at the time, and having a friend fly him up there is risky. A private charter would work, but it would leave a paper trail. Driving is the least conspicuous route, but that’s quite a poke from Santa Fe.

        • I can’t see him driving his own vehicle there either. Too many people know his vehicles.
          I just looked up the prices for private charter flights & your looking at least $12,000 from the sites I have seen. Yes a paper trail & lots more people see you as opposed to renting a sedan.
          If that’s what he did, he broke some laws on the way every state border he crossed he broke the law considering the chest is worth well over $10,000 which they allow.

        • Why would it bring attention if he took a private plane to say – Jackson or Cody, Wyoming to attend a meeting, rent a car – go to his meeting, stash the treasure, go fishing, and return to Jackson or Cody?

          Seems simple to me. Why try to complicate it? JDA

          • JD,
            Take a good look at the prices for a private flight, Google it from SF to WY or MT.
            I wonder if his wife looks at the bills?
            Honey, why did you pay $12,760 for a flight to bla bla?
            OK, maybe the price would be half that cause he would probably take a commercial flight back. Either way it raises a flag. But, I know if I was to do what he did, I would not take a chance at my wife or tax guy discovering this huge bill & I don’t think they let you pay with cash. They want to know who you are up in the “friendly” skies.
            I would rent a vehicle in SF, then rent another from a different company miles away & maybe even do that a few times to really cloud the trail.

          • If I had several million, I am not too sure I would worry about the price of a private plane. But what do I know? NADA – I am NOT a millionaire – yet! JDA

          • I know the price is not an issue for him.
            If you read what I said JD, you would know that there is a chance that someone else would know about the bill even if it’s on a CC statement & by the way even though they got millions, they didn’t get that way by spending money foolishly thinking, Oh I got the money……
            If he flew, there would also be more exposure to people as opposed to renting a car.

          • When I suggested this scenario about the Cody connection over a year ago, i was hung out to dry.


            The theory has never left me.

            No further comment.


          • I agree. He could have rented a car (by the way, if in Texas try Ausby’s–good little car rental agency) in Jackson or Cody and driven to the spot pretty easily, done some fishing and gone home.

          • OK don’t rent a plane – Hay George (or who-ever) – I know you have a plane. I have a meeting in Jackson or Cody – How about we fly up there on Wednesday? I pay for the gas, give you few hundred for incidentals, and I put you up in a posh resort for three days. Sound good to you? Oh, and we can spend two days fishing somewhere near-by – You name the spot. Deal? – Good I’ll meet you at the airport Wednesday AM about 0600. OK? Good! JDA

          • Too risky, JD: two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead. Bye bye George! Even if George thought the whole trip was innocuous, months later when he learned of the Chase, he’d put two and two together and have quite the leg-up on the competition.

          • Zap

            Not if this was a yearly thing – But WHO KNOWS? Only Forrest, and he isn’t talking.

            I guess we can ask him once the treasure is found.

            We can throw “stuff” at the wall until the cows come home, and even if it does stick – we don’t know if it is the right “stuff” – JDA

          • A man with the means to collect and hide a million dollar chest certainly has means to transport items wherever his wandering heart desires. I wouldnt discount any area

      • zap ,

        Are we to assume from your above statement, that you have “figured out” that the “correct” WWWH is not in New Mexico?

        If so, are pictures of Indulgence forthcoming ?

        • ROLL TIDE – I get your point: “talk’s cheap, show me the chest.” I haven’t solved the whole poem, so cannot oblige you. But I’ve solved enough of it to be quite confident I’ve got the right WWWH, the right canyon, and the correct interpretation of “not far, but too far to walk”. The answers to the first three clues are self-reinforcing, so I can “move with confidence” at least that far.

          • zap ,

            Wasn’t being snarky, just making a point.

            I respect your opinions on a lot of things.

    • Jake… you know how those BAMA guys and gals are… Bahahaha just kidding…

      I totally agree with you email me…jtrolinger at me dot com. got a question and a statement for you

  1. i am curious and mean no disrespect but why do you think its in Montana, or Wyoming when Mr. Fenn stated he drove to locale in an afternoon and his wife did not know he was even gone??…

    Was he still flying at age 79 or 80?

    Please give me your feedback… i just got back from my locale and need to go back

    • 1idwillhe,
      Read the 2 books slowly & jot down all the places he mentions in his books.
      Now, jot down the places he thought were special or loved.
      Don’t bother with places that are not on the map.
      He spent his childhood summers in Yellowstone.
      Someone asked him after he stated he could go right straight to it “Would you take a partner along?”
      Forrest answered “Do you have an airplane?”
      That video was taken in Santa Fe.
      Why would you need a plane if it’s in NM or CO?
      There are too many reasons to list here.

      • Jake;

        Almost all of the reasons that you list in support of it being in Montana, I can list as reasons that it is not. If I were to hide a treasure, and write two books about my life. I would mention everyplace BUT where the treasure is secreted – just to keep people guessing, and to keep them distracted from where it actually is.

        Just my thoughts. JDA

        • I’m not saying the treasure is hidden anywhere he has specifically listed, that would not be a subtle hint. Mentioning Montana, Gallatin National Forrest or Yellowstone would be considered a subtle hint for me because all these areas are very huge.
          For instance he mentions West Yellowstone a few times.
          I don’t think the treasure is there, because he mentions it & that town is pretty small.
          If your going to look at what he rarely mentions, then you should be looking in Colorado.

        • JDA— I agree with you. I have been going back and reading many of the articles and comments that Forrest has made in the past.

          In one article about “slicks” (pieces of jade mainly from Wyomimg) Forrest goes into good detail about how the jade becomes worn when sitting in someone’s pocket, etc.

          He then ends the article with a comment about having one in his pocket that he found in an old abandoned cabin by the Gallatin.

          I believe this is done to throw one immediately to the Gallatin. You have just read an entire article about Jade that is found in Wyoming, and then you are directed towards Montana at the end,

          We, as humans, are prone to put closer attention on what we just heard than on a lot that came before it. And if you already have Yellowstone, or close environs in mind “Gallatin” is going to set off the alarm—-and all the hints that were just given beforehand will disappear into thin air.

          Just an opinion. Of course, I believe it may be in Wyoming, so I’m partial. lol

    • 1idwillhe ,

      Can you provide a reference as to where “. . . Mr. Fenn stated he drove to locale in an afternoon and his wife did not know he was even gone . . .” ?

      Not picking on you, serious question.

      I’m fairly certain I read this somewhere when I first took interest in The Chase.

      I just don’t recall if it was an actual quote from f , or if it was simply attributed to him by someone on the blogs.

      Thanks for any info you can provide.

      • RT—- If someone shares where the comment came from, let me know if he mentioins he and his wife being in NM that day.

        What if Forrest and his wife were in Montana for instance, and he left for the afternoon in his rental car without his wife relalizing he was gone?

        Does it say where they WERE when he took off for an afternoon drive? I’d be curious to know.


        • RT—to clarify—-of course Forrest isn’t going to say where they were. But what I meant is does Forrest say anything about where they “weren’t” at the time? When he says he left for an afternoon drive we immediately think of him being in NM and taking off for a drive in the afternoon.

          This may not be what he means at all.

          • Joe and Roll Tide……

            I’m looking for the comment – having a hard time finding it.

            I do know – he said he hid the treasure in one afternoon. He never mentioned leaving from home to do that.

            I’ll continue to try to find it…………….

          • Found it — at Jenny’s

            Question posted 6/19/2014:

            Hi Forrest,
            I’m curious about your time spent in Biloxi, MS, at radar mechanics school, and I was wondering if you received any technical training on electrical/electronic theory and circuitry? Schematics, circuit tracing, troubleshooting components, things like that.

            That is what the school was about mostly and I’ll admit that I don’t feel rewarded for having attend it.

            Also, you’ve mentioned on multiple occasions that it took two “trips” to secret the chest and contents to a very special place. Perhaps someone has already asked this, but I’ve not found an answer yet posted or video recording that contains an answer. Forgive me if this is redundant, but were both trips made on the same day/date? Not to be anal, but that would be one spinaroo of the giant ball we call Earth that constitutes a single 24-hour day to its humble inhabitants.

            Thanks so much.
            Kind Regards,

            Joe, you make this thing so complicated. Reminds me of the reason I don’t like meetings. I hope you don’t belong to a PTA someplace. I made two trips from my car to the hiding place and it was done in one afternoon.f

          • Right, so where is this talk about his wife didn’t even notice him gone talk. I agree that the two trips in one afternoon is important as to how far you need to walk, but no clue as to how far you have to drive. Even then, I’ve driven from Missoula MT, all the way through Yellowstone park, across Wyoming, and 1/2 way across Nebraska In one day and wasn’t tired. Certainly you could drive, sleep, hike, sleep, and drive and do it all in a 3 day period.

    • 1idwillhe
      I am not sure where you received the info that you have stated. Forrest never said that he drove to the locale in one afternoon. He said that he drove to the the spot and parked (Forrest could have rented a car from any airport). Then it took a full afternoon to hide the treasure. In fact Forrest never answered the question that has been asked many of times, “Forrest was the afternoon that it took to hide the treasure chest a full afternoon in 1 day or was it 1/2 of a afternoon 1 day and then you came back a different day and it took another 1/2 of a afternoon to finish hiding the treasure chest?”
      Forrest answer is always the same, ” it took a full afternoon to hide the treasure chest.”
      The reality is left up to us as to how he did it…
      The other thing is, Forrest did not say it took 1 afternoon and his wife (Peggy) she has a name, did not know he was even gone. What Forrest has said is, ” it was a perfect time to go and hide his TC. Peggy went to see their daughter and it was 8 days later before Peggy realized that it was gone. This (when it’s said as it happened) gives time for Forrest to hide the TC in anyone of the states.
      This is why it is so Important to say what truly happened so that others do not get the wrong information. It is so easy for us to imagine it happening our way and not Forrest way so that our solves seemed to be correct to us. That’s how we have all eaten our share of crow pie…

      • Forrest and Peggy seem to have a wonderful relationship. One that allows each the freedom to come and go pretty much as they please, or so I believe.

        Forrest sits, or sat, om several Board of Governors’ or Board of Trustees, etc. He could tell Peggy that he needed to go to a meeting in any one of the four states, and that he would be back in 4 to 5 days – Fly off, attend a meeting, secret the TC, go fishing, and then return to NM. NO PROBLEM!

        I think that you might not serve yourself well by thinking that it MUST be in NM or southern Colorado.

        Just a few thoughts emanating from my one active brain cell. TRY to STAY SAFE ALL JDA

      What is your state? Jake and JDA and I have our state names out there for all to know. Telling someone your state does not reveal your solve. All 4 states are large enough for a 65,000 or more people. Believe me, there has been many people that have crossed over our areas but came up with the same results.
      NO TC HERE
      Good Luck with your searches and be safe

      • Tim …. my state is Iowa… but I am not sure that’s what you meant..lol

        I almost swear I read or watched an interview and he stated exactly what I said… I have been researching this for months… I wish I would a wrote down where I heard this quote … I rarely take any info from what people say in blogs… I try to keep what just Fenn said…

        i know you guys and girls have a lot more time in it than i but i know some interesting clues and just got back from one locale and did some recon.. but unfortunately need to go back and finish

        again.. does anybody know if he was flying at 79 or 80?

        • Forrest’s last medical was August 2001, and at the time, a 71 year old would have to have another after a year.

          Also, regarding paying a friend to fly him; unless that friend had a commercial rating he could lose his certificate. Pilots are very very careful not to break that rule, and if he did have a commercial rating, he would have to log the flight as such.

          I too am perplexed as to how he could carry the chest to MT without driving.

          as an aside: If you took a commercial flight to your spot and found the trove, what would you do? (Jake?)

          • Joseph said, ” If you took a commercial flight to your spot and found the trove, what would you do?” I would mail the contents of my carry on bag home and pack my carry on with the TC and carry it on. Or call one of my pilot friends to come get me and the treasure.

          • Puzzled – Don’t you think it would tip off a BUNCH of alarms if your carry-on contained 42 lbs of chest and treasure? Think it MIGHT cause a bit of an uproar? I do.


          • I assure you JDA, that the combined total of my carry on and my “personal item” on yesterday’s Alaska air flight was 40 lbs. You can easily carry 20 lbs per bag. At least I can. But, either way, the problem is not going to be “carrying” the chest. The problem is finding it.

          • My comment was not directed to weight. I am sure that when the carry-on was scanned that the gold etc would set buzzers a buzzin’ or at least the TSA agents eyes would pop out of his/her head and a supervisor would be called immediately! JDA

          • Joseph, In my estimation Forrest did not use a plane to move the chest at all. I could be wrong but logic says it was probably done with a car in any of the four states in play. I’m on the treasure state bandwagon. I think he could have easily packed it in the trunk and covered it up to head north for a meeting or a vacation. In TFTW, he talks about being in Yellowstone with family a few years earlier. I can envision him packing the chest in the trunk, covering it, packing in the luggage and then being the man that he is he would always unload and reload the baggage so that Peggy or other family would not have to lift a finger. He could have easily slipped away one afternoon for a drive or just said that he wanted to take a walk while others rested. Thinking back to all the questions that searchers have asked Forrest over the years, it would have been wise to ask him when the last time he had been in certain areas. Example, when was the last date you were in Yellowstone or when was the last time you were in the Rio Grande Gorge? While he would probably plead the fifth, it would be interesting to know the answers to those questions because it might narrow down search area pretty quickly. I have driven to my search area so would not have to worry about bringing back a chest in my own vehicle but for those that fly to the Rockies on a commercial flight, I would imagine that the best option of a return trip would be to take a private charter or rent a car. If one did find the chest, spending a few extra dollars to return home in a different manner would be a logical choice.

          • After giving it some thought (enriched by everyone’s comments), I have decided that a road trip would be perfect for delivery of Indulgence. I might even imagine that Forrest took a significant detour in order to begin the trip in Temple, TX, where his decades long love of mountain visits always originated.

    • 1idwillhe : when you been married a long time they do not notice when we have left. If he was at the Cody Black tie Gala and his wife was with him and he took off for an afternoon I am sure she was busy if she was there and did not notice. also she may have noticed he was gone for the afternoon since he was not in the state or checking in by phone knowing he is out fishing having a good time. I agree a lot of people know he is out and about when he hid the treasure and mostly in those three specific states. 08, 09, 10. and when he announced it he said “some years back” I hid it. I get the feeling he rents a lot of cars and hops on a lot of planes from friends or friends of friends. Or at least he did back then in those 3 or 4 years.

  2. My farthest north solve/guess had to do with warm waters halting (historically) on the Missouri River below Great Falls Montana. AFB in the area as well.
    But as Jake points out, that are didn’t get much mention in the books, unless you count the journeys of Lewis and Clark.

  3. You nailed it JDA. To mirror Jake F’ers post let me say I will eat my hat if the solve has anything to do with Hebgen Lake or the Madison River. How many thousands of people has searched west Yellowstone?

    • Ya Lug,
      I don’t think the chest is on/in or near Hebgen, Gallatin or Madison River. Just wouldn’t be subtle.
      But I can see some of the clues may have something to do with these places.

      • Jakers – Think about this.When he was a kid his family drove 1600 miles to and from W Yellowstone each year. There is a lot of landscape in those drives that we have heard nothing about. One story about Shoshoni/Casper but the other 1550 miles are a mystery.

        • Lug: “There is a lot of landscape in those drives that we have heard nothing about.”

          That’s right “nothing” & that’s exactly what I get out of it.
          How could no mention of any place be a subtle hint?

  4. There is one spot in MT that I thought was could be the place for the last year and a half, and I can see a huge white “F” rock “looks like it was carved, as the blaze and I really wanted to go their as my find, as I followed it through the poem, but the problem I have with it, is it seems from everything that FF has indicated is that the TC would almost have to be about 3/4 miles from the side of the road. So we choose NM as our adventure this summer and found a Blaze right off the road that looked like something in his book and less than 3/4 miles in was a real life hidden indian overhang. I we searched it real well all over and around it, and even went past it a little, but I think that this particular road had lots of different caves due to the soft ground/rocks – but it looked like it was heavily used for parties and other things. It looked like we caught a couple people down the road hiding or taking someting out of one cave that looked shady and we didn’t want to investigate any further as it looked like it could be some illegal activity going on. So we checked out about 5 other places, in NM with no luck, but still have a few good ideas in WY, MT and CO that we would still like to investigate. 🙂 Guess we’ll keep chasing.

    • Charlie… from Google Earth you see a White F on a rock that looks carved?? … if i saw that… i would be there tomorrow… it could be more than 3/4 of a mile… winding trails add up quickly

    • Charlie;

      How did you come up with the 3/4 mile from a parking place? Just curious, since my newest site = 3/4 miles from where I have to park.

      Just curious – JDA

  5. All,

    A Rainbow (synonymous with dream and fantasy) has two points of reference, lets call them a beginning and an ending. If we believe that his love of the outdoors began in the north, Montana and Wyoming where do we believe the Rainbow has taken him?


    • LitterateOne,

      That’s a great point. Perhaps the onset of a new search season, after Labor day, has created new challenges for searchers. We’ve had our share of set backs, especially after the Heatwave we felt this summer, maybe Autumn will feel better. My hope is that someone may offer advise as to how to over come the challenges ahead after Labor day. Any advise would be greatly appreciated!

      Gregg Salvia, II

    • “My church is in the mountains and along the river bottoms where dreams and fantasies alike go to play.”

      *Or was that….’fairies’ go to play??


      • Fairyland Basin, or Fairy Falls?
        I thought Fairyland Basin looked good until accounting for the two trips in one afternoon, it’s just too far. Fairy Falls is too crowded and popular but possible.

  6. Mensan-Fennsan commented on the previous ‘Looking in Montana and Wyoming’ page. “Since we have been exhorted that knowing WHERE to start is PARAMOUNT, we should NOT assume that others searchers (who may not have known the correct starting place) must have exhausted all the simple solutions to the poem”

    Since the previous page is closed, I wanted to reply that I agree 100% with this comment. However, I have some other info to add to this comment.

    I think searchers are going to the map too quickly. My comments are based upon my own understanding of the poem and what I believe the poem is saying.

    I believe that when Fenn told us to “look at the big picture” he was referring to the picture of the WATER CYCLE. It is basic. Every “kid” and adult has at least a general idea of how the water cycle works here on earth.

    I think that the reason the TC has not been found is that everyone is so busy looking for a spot on a map that they have ignored what the poem is really saying about the water cycle. I say this because I too have considered multiple spots on the map and worked them through to what seemed like a logical conclusion, but never felt sure about any of the conclusions until I put away the map and followed Fenn’s advice. He said, “its not a matter of trying. . . “its a matter of thinking”.

    I think that the “answers I already know” must be thought out before the map is consulted. We must be able to identify WWWH and HOB in our thoughts first. This poem, in my opinion is as “straight forward” as Fenn says it is. But, because we are trying to find WWWH on the map, we miss what the poem is really talking about. If we get the right focus, then it is clear, concise and very straightforward. But, WWWH and HOB must be understand in our thoughts before we ever open the map.

    I do not have the treasure chest yet, but I understand the poem up to “if you’ve been wise”. Doesn’t need a map at all up to that point (imo). It is clear and concise and straightforward as it can be if you can focus on WWWH. Fenn did not say you have to go to where WWWH. He said, “you have to KNOW WWWH”. That is a different thing! And, yes, I am Not ignoring the fact that several searchers have been to the first 2 clues and passed the other 7. I know. But, that (imo) is because they were at the first 2 clues because it is possible to get to the first 2 places without understanding why they are the first 2 places and then to “walk” right past the other 7 because you really didn’t understand the poem. I think I could tell you who has been to the first 2 places. And those folks thought they were at the first 2 places for different reasons.

    So what I’m saying here is PUT AWAY THE MAP UNTIL YOU KNOW WWWH AND HOB. No map needed until you get past that. If you can figure out those “answers I already know” (and you do know) then you are close to needing the map. Start with the “big picture” first. And then just “think”. I was amazed how the poem has clearly and straightforwardly walked me through the “answers” once I figured out WWWH. That is how a searcher can be confident. It is because once your focus is right, the poem guides you straight forward.

    • Agree, to me WWWH screams the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico and they halt on the west side of the continental divide. So that just gets you started. You don’t have to climb to the top of the mountain to know the Divide is there.
      On a second note of WWWH, what would be better than the lesser known source of it all? The longest waterway on this continent. Lewis and Clark got it wrong BTW. That canyon that comes from the source is little travelled but easy to get to. I think the source itself may not be too bad to get to, I want to try, from the Idaho side. I know it’s not in Idaho, but that doesn’t mean you can’t start there. I just want to go there to see it with my own eyes, not that you need to go there to follow the “trail”.

  7. Puzzled, I have to agree. I focussed hard on the maps for years but the fact is that Forrest said all you need is the poem. I doubt that he reserved the right of title for someone with some bizzaar photographic memory of geographical locations. It certainly takes you down a completely different path when you take the maps, history and the such out of the equation. Until you have solved the clues, a map is just a distraction. I certainly hope the answers take me close to home (Montana), but you can be sure that if I find the solution Ill be on the road within days regardless of the miles to be covered!

    • Leza, I respectfully disagree. Forrest has said the clues are in the poem, *but* the answers to those clues are found on maps. You absolutely must have a map (and not just any map — it has to be a sufficiently detailed map of the right area) or you will never be able to make sense of the clues.

      • “All you need is the poem to find my treasure.” – Forrest Fenn. January 23, 2015.

        I agree, once youve solved the poem, the location in question will have to be located on a map, however I do not believe a map is key to the solve.

        • Leza, Are you saying that you have solved WWWH and HOB without the map? Because if someone other than me can do it, then I would certainly be interested in sharing ideas. Would be happy to hear from others who think these “answers I already know” are found by thinking rather than a map. I’ve worked the poem through to “if you’ve been wise and found the blaze”. Leza, message me at lequia at sbcglobal dot net if you want to chat.

          • Well I can’t say that I’ve found “the” solve until Ive found the treasure but yes I certainly have “a solve”

      • “I would like to reiterate: Please go back to the poem and look at maps for your answers. Not every noun in TTOTC is a hint. If you can’t solve the first clue you should not spend your money searching. My guess is that the person who is successful will very quietly solve the clues and walk to the treasure with a smile on their face.” — Forrest Fenn in Scrapbook 73, 6/6/2004.

        • I am very aware of the comments that have been made. Ive watched all the interviews, read the blogs and both the books. Even the quote you posted speaks exactly to what I said previously. There are hints to be found and a map will ultimately be needed to find where your solve is located, but I believe 100% that the clues to be deciphered are found soley and independently within the poem. This is not to say that someone could not haphazzardly stumble upon the correct location on a map…..but we are talking about a pretty large search area. No one will really know until we all sit glued to our chairs in front of cbs this morning and watch the interview

          • The clues match, but the area is vast, It is grizzly bear infested. We were stopped by law enforcement we showed them our rifles. you must be armed in this area if the search party is less than 6 persons. and no camping overnight is allowed without a permit.

          • That doesnt sound to me like a place an 80 year old would go or a spot a 3 year old could find with a little help……nevermind a spot you go to twice in an afternoon.

        • Well, Leza, if you can correctly identify the clues in the poem and know their answers without the benefit of a map, my hat’s off to you. In my opinion, “not far, but too far too walk” is impossible to solve without the right map.

  8. I agree that it is in or close to the Treasure State. I will be there next week to try my own solves. Anyone else going to be in upper Yellowstone next week? I will be there 9/15/16 – 9/23/16. I’m staying in Bozeman.

  9. OK—so this is how it all went down. Forrest went to “the Home of Brown” (UPS) or they may have come directly to his house (doubtful though)– and he had the package (it weighed 42 lbs + box and packaging materials) sent to Cody Wyoming, or some other location.

    When he was up for a meeting he went again to “The home of Brown” (UPS) depot and “will called” the 42 lb package. He put it in the trunk of a rental vehicle and went off to bury the treasure. He laughed so hard he cried (WWWH), and got back in his car and drove off.

  10. I believe that Forrest was very intentional in the wording and the clues he choose. Given the amount of time he spent writing the poem, I find it to be no great surprise that solutions to the clues can be found in any number of different locations, many of which were some of his favorite spots.

    A man who understands human nature will have no problem manipulating man’s desire to find order and pattern in chaos.

  11. I forgot to mention. If Forrest was in a hurry and shipped UPS-RED, this would explain “Heavy loads and water high”—as the plane (he would have to ship air freight) would probably go through clouds before it setting down in Cody or the location he chose.

    • Not there yet. Taking the scenic route and eating my way through huckleberry season above the Clark Fork. In Trout Creek tonight. Maybe Missoula tomorrow. If I pass a Mystery Hill or anyplace Lewis and Clark camped I may be slowed down again…lol…

          • Dal,

            You going to post any MT trip pics this time? Must be quiet there this time of year…since kids are back to school.


          • 23-
            I will. It will be a couple weeks before I am back at home and can organize. I am doing some vacationing as well as searching…and then there is the doll show that “guess who” wants to go to in Colorado before we head toward home…lol…

          • Dal – Have fun at the doll show with guess who.

            I just bought 2 Ashanti dolls (Akua’ba) at a sidewalk sale in Santa Monica for $5 a piece.

            I prefer the pure streams and rivers of my hometown that no one knows about to stocked ponds.


      • Thanks Dal you are definitely an inspiration to all with your history of exploration. Not to mention the way you just love life in general. Enjoy your trip sir.

      • Out of Gallatin NF today..
        No chest in hand…but I’ll be back…
        Snow, cold and rain Spent the day in Cody at the Buffalo Bill Museum…vast and incredibly intoxicating museum. It was a cold/rainy/snowy day so the museum was popular. In spite of crowds I had a great time there. I noted that they had Forrest’s Fetchin book for sale in the gift store and a couple of donations from Forrest and Peggy on the walls of the Western Artist’s exhibit.
        My favorite item there was the 1910 silent reel of film taken at a New York City appearance of Buffalo Bill’s Wild West show…
        In Thermopolis now.. headed to the Dinosaur Museum tomorrow…cold here…
        Good dinner at a restaurant called A Stones Throw up by the Thermopolis airport…way off the beaten tourist path..
        Unless you fly in…

        • Sorry to hear you didn’t find the chest. Would have loved to have seen what you saw at the museum. Tonight’s news just showed the snow in Yellowstone. Season is changing. Stay warm.

        • Seems like my comment won’t post. I have a nice Thermopolis solve. Maybe you’ve already been. Warmwater Creek to Gold Creek. I don’t have a solid HOB

        • Hi Dal — another notch for you in the Fenn bedpost. Disheartened to hear that “Winter’s Coming” (cue the Game of Thrones theme music) is making an early appearance in the Treasure and Cowboy States. Perhaps a warm spell will accompany the long journey home after Dal’s Journey to the Valley of Dolls is complete.

      • In Laramie tonight…Worst internet connection on the trip, although all else in Laramie is above average. Great eats and good brews…

        Laramie seems to be doing well economy-wise…unlike many other cities we passed through on our way.

        Resource extraction such as mining and oil removal are in decline and so are the family jobs built upon those endeavors. Many people here are in serious economic trouble…

        Whole communities seem to have locked their doors and left.

        I saw a fine three bedroom home for sale in Casper for under $90K…and no buyers…no jobs…

        I’m not rooting for the comeback of oil and coal but I certainly have empathy for the folks who built families and homes out of those crashing resources…
        and the rest of the folks it once took to support them in retail, manufacturing and services..

        All gone…poof!!!

  12. “I too am perplexed as to how he could carry the chest to MT without driving”.

    I was kidding above—but seriously—-Forrest REALLY could ship the chest to himself buy UPS, FEDERAL EXPRESS or truck for that matter. He wouldn’t have to take it on a flight. No one is going to know there is a million dollar chest in the box he drops off at UPS. The only give-away would be if he insured it.

    But I think maybe that IS how he got the chest up to the area where he buried it. He had it shipped to a depot, or possibly to an address he owns up in that area—who knows?

    All he would have to do then is drive it a few miles to the hiding spot. He probably uses UPS or Fedex from time to time anyway at the Santa Fe shop he owns. No one (not even his wife) would suspect anything odd about shipping a package to NM, COLO, MONT. or Wyoming.

    I actually think it might be quite easy for him to “ship” the chest. “Hey, David, can you do me a little favor? I shipped some stuff from the store up there via UPS–could you pick it up for me? It’s a little heavy—full of fossils and stuff—-I’ll come and get it after my meeting today”.

    Chances are “David” does not even remember doing that “little favor” back in 2010 or so.

    • He’s a pilot and he flies himself. There is a story in TFTF about flying to Cody and stoppling in Meetese and renting a car. He also makes the point that Cody to YP is 54 miles (and not far). I don’t have the exact reference but it is there.

  13. I found the Blaze…. and will tell all
    becareful or you may fall
    Bridges over ……. ….ty
    45.367448, -111.412767
    this is a clue from 1idwillhe !!!

    • 1idwillhe,
      That blaze has been floating around the minds of many searchers for years.
      Just way to obvious & too easy to find the blaze before any of the other clues.
      I will add that you can see the blaze from many vantage points from the north side & there is only one very crowded road & parking spot to get to Blaze Mountain.
      Way to many hikers, bikers & horse back riders.
      Take a look at GE & count the vehicles parked to the NE of the mtn.
      No, an 80 yr old is not going to get to it from the ridge to the West.

  14. Just before 10pm mountain time:
    I am in the Yellowstone area now. Smoke in the valley but it’s not bad. I can see stars in the wide open sky except around that glaring half moon…
    Will check out areas tonight and tomorrow..
    Saw herds of Magpies on the way down along the Clark Fork…also saw Swans and Pelicans, Osprey and their nests, Two owls were out sitting on a fence post…

    In Montana the speed limit signs are simply a suggestion so when you are flying down the two lane at legal but crazy speeds it’s only the large birds I have time to identify.

    I had the BEST pork ribs of my entire eating career in Trout Creek last night.

  15. Our predawn search of a location in yellowstone was one of the best days of my life!!! This is by far the best time to visit yellowstone. Having lived here in Montana nearly my whole life, it has always been a favorite spot but I wont go near the place in the summer months anymore. Make sure to take a dip at the 45th parallel for me Dal!

    • Before they close everything, but after school starts. The Elk bugle all night, it’s easier to stay warm in the cold, then stay cool in the heat. The crowds start to die down. Last fall we must have seen 13 grizzlys in 3 days time.

      • Yeah I wont set foot in the place in the summer months anymore. We usually go up to the hotsprings in November-January so we have the place to ourselves

  16. Me and my brother spent 7 wonderful days site seeing and searching the beautiful Woodbine Falls area of Nye Montana a couple weeks ago. Went from Still Water River all the way to top of falls area and above which I wouldn’t recommend. We keyed off river and creek points of 200 and 500 feet (plus 400 which we heard in another site as in which people have been in proximity of treasure) and acres of areas near still water river. We also searched both sides off Woodbine Creek as well as 5 islands in WOOD bine creek. We even tried at all locations Falls were visible looking down to areas that may of keyed something but no luck. All in all we probably spent 30 hours a piece in area searching thoroughly metal detecting and searching every crevice. Forrest mentioned that he use to fly 600-700 miles and not knowing where he may end up in interviews as well as showing Sitting Bulls peace pipe off a time or 2 which this area is in Custard National Forrest. Custard has many areas around so maybe not an X on searching spot but Still Water would be a wonderful answer for where warm waters halt. Plain and simple. Woodbine is a honey suckle plant so combining the Falls and lush green and yellow foliage throughout most of year was another key we went off as he mentioned his military adventure to falls area which was lush and beautiful area where he found grave markers of fallen soldiers
    We’re planning another trip next year with more family members and maybe looking at areas to spend during retirement out of the SE USA high humidity times of year. Forrest has done a great service to many a people. Thanks!

    • I know what you mean, by taking a break from the humidity. As much as I like being close to the ocean, I could find plenty to keep me busy in the great outdoors of Colorado & Wyoming.
      Funny how the financially well-off ride around on bicycles that are worth more than the SUV I drive.

  17. Our trip may have been delayed again.

    Can I get a weather reality check on the Gallatin NF area? I see reports of light snow higher, and great temps otherwise. This Week.

    I would like to reset for arrival next Monday.

  18. Joseph,
    I hope you all get enjoyment while you are also searching. Please be aware of your surroundings at this time of the year animals are on the move as well as the weather can get on top of you before you know it.
    Be safe first but enjoy the time you are out their…
    Best of luck to you and the family, May find all that you are searching for!!!

  19. Thanks folks. We are over prepared I think, and mom and dad are well versed in outback. We won’t get more than a few hundred meters from the truck anyhoo. Weather looks good.

    • “The country up there……man, you just want to stay forever. The water is crystal clear and there’s always plenty of it..Its a fishermen s paradise.”

      Father Fenn when talking about Yellowstone and Fenn Haven in a 1954 newspaper section article: “Field and Stream.”

      Just appreciate the quote and thought.


  20. Well, I suppose this will sound trite, but my family and I just returned from a vacation search and we found treasure in the Fenn manner. We explored the outdoors and discovered many wonders, new acquaintances, and each other.

    Having read over and over how Forrest intended to get folks to do just that, I never really got it until now.

    Thank you Forrest. I get it now.

    I am writing a travel log, but unfortunately, my solution is not invalidated, so I will have to redact portions for public consumption. 😉

  21. That’s great Joseph. We should invent a new word for a vacation that involves searching for the treasure while on vacation. You know like how staycation means a vacation where you stay rather than travel. I vote for Fenncation. Of course it will become obsolete once the treasure is found but maybe it could stick if we said it enough an emphasized that it really means discovering all the riches and glory of the mountains. I look forward to your travel long.

  22. Really enjoyed reading everyone’s comments. I have been here before but the last year was strictly work for the Mrs. and I. would love to get out in the woods but not going to happen before winter. Better plan my trip for May back where I suspect a lot of you have been searching. Not sure that it is a good thing that you have not found it or a bad thing that you have not found it as I would think it is there in Montana. Been there once but I believe I headed straight past it.

    Anyway, my take is Montana along with those who believe he hid it in 2009 from the Cody Black Tie event. As far as how he got the treasure up there who knows. not impossible though. Maybe they all drove up there and enjoyed themselves maybe he mailed it to himself but I doubt that and maybe he hopped on a charter or took a ride with a friend up there. Love the thrill 😉

  23. I’ve been MIA for the past 3 and a half months because I broke my left leg, both the big and small bones right where they connect at the ankle. I am finally back to working and will resume my armchair search for the TC. I still think it’s in Montana but with my leg healing, work to catch up on, money issues, and winter coming I do not think I will make it back to Montana till next spring at the earliest to look again.

    • Thanks pdenver. I think this is a good reminder that f says the treasure is not in a dangerous spot. If he invites families to go out looking for the treasure, then I’m pretty sure one of the things he considered about his hiding spot was that it would be okay for young and old alike without fear of being attacked by the wildlife.

      • You’re welcome, Hear me all. I’m not sure if there is ever an area that is totally safe. Even the calmest of areas could pose dangers. We just need to be aware of our surroundings and be prepared for the unexpected.

        • Last week out on a walk in Wyoming my sister found a deer partially buried… They put a game camera on it and a cougar came back ate some then reburied it again! So beware of anything buried except the chest of course 🙂

          • Yeah, I can’t wait to see it my stepdad filmed it for a week while it ate the deer… Said its a really cool video where he cleans himself after eating, sleeps and even tried to jump up in a tree and missed 🙂

  24. not trying to scare anyone here, just saying be careful out there. Lots of bear attacks lately. Sure, partly because there are lots of hunters out , but also the griz population has increased and the bears need to expand their territory.

    If you recall when Lewis and Clark got near to present day Glendive,MT they encountered their first griz. You see, that was their territory, a long ways from the mountains.

  25. Spent a cold and rainy day out in the Madisons today. Steady rain with temps in the upper 30s at the elevation I was searching. Winter weather advisories/winter storm watches throughout the region tonight through tomorrow. Feels like the season here is starting to draw to a close. Looking towards spring of 2017.

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