The Poem…Part Six

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This page is for discussion of Forrest’s poem. Please use it for only that discussion.

Here is Forrest reading his poem, The Thrill of the Chase. If you have not memorized the poem…don’t be concerned…neither has Forrest apparently…
http://dalneitzel.com/video/audio/poem.mp3

 

60 thoughts on “The Poem…Part Six

  1. Perhaps Mr. Fenn didn’t write the poem. He just wrote it down….therefore, he wrote the poem. Could I be as bold to suggest it’s anothers words put to pen by Mr.Fenn? ( The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, etc. )

      • I do not feel this is the case. I know any one of us can have quite similar thoughts or words, but doesn’t mean they came from someone else. Hope I was able to explain my thoughts correctly.

        • Plagiarism covers things that have been previously printed, not the spoken word. There is no attorney or cleric privilege in this case so it is theoretically possible that someone besides Mr. Fenn dictated the words. No different than a reporter or court clerk typing out a speech verbatim.

          • I’ll elaborate. It has always been my contention that Mr. Fenn didn’t do this alone. Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead. Two CAN keep a secret….they’ve been keeping it for many years. Pious indulgence.

          • Your thoughts are his poem are someone else’s words, but he wrote them down as his own? How does this explain how he said he chose his words wisely (paraphrasing)? Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you are saying.

        • I’m pretty sure he wrote the poem himself. Remember: he hid the treasure, Then wrote the
          poem. Not the other way around.
          I don’t think he robbed someone elses words or had any help.
          I wrote a poem in the 4th grade. It’s not that complicated 🙂

          • Or it could be a place he had never been to until he actually hid the treasure.
            From “Forrest Gets Mail From a Middle School Class”:
            Q: When was the first time you went to the place where you hid the treasure?
            A: I don’t want to answer that question. It is more of a clue than I want to give.
            If the actual EXACT spot was never visited until he actually hid the TC and the area (wilderness, state, etc) is his favorite place in the world, then that would explain him never being there until actually hiding it. If he had actually visited that EXACT spot when he was young, what would have been the harm with him saying that he went there or found the spot many, many years ago?

        • ok pdenver, then please explain to me at least what f meant by “I could have wrote the poem before I hid the treasure chest, but I didn’t.”
          Forrest has claimed numerous time and again that he put 15 years into this poem. That’s not what that statement is saying.
          Timothy…IMHO

          • To defend pdenver somewhat, I do believe they are possibly on to something. Fenn has stated that two can keep a secret is one of them is dead. And if we are to believe Tom Terrific (which I personally have no reason to doubt) when he stated, “…..Forrest told them “His father would know where he hid the treasure.”,” then I believe it may be his own father that Forrest is referring to. Perhaps it was his own father who had the idea of where and how to hide the TC. I do believe that Forrest did write the poem in his own words that took him 15 years to twist and turn. But wasn’t Forrest also disappointed at how little is remembered of his father? Maybe this is Forrest’s way of drawing attention to Marvin. And maybe most of us have been looking and trying to find out as much as we can about the wrong person. Who exactly was Marvin Fenn and what did he do and what did he possibly write?
            “As I have gone alone in there….”
            Is the “I” Marvin who went alone into his grave?
            Just a little different line of thought…..

          • Thank you, KP. I didn’t realize other comments had been made until your post.

            Hello Timothy. The quote, ‘I could have wrote the poem before I hid the treasure chest, but I didn’t.,’ has been a little bit of a mystery to me. As I sit here and think about it, I tend to believe what he has always said in the past; that he knew where he wanted to place the treasure chest (paraphrasing). He’s been there before.

          • (Second try.) ‘ “I could have wrote the poem before I hid the treasure chest, but I didn’t.” ‘ We’ve heard him state that he’s always known where to hide the treasure chest. This quote may be to say just that. He could have written the poem first, because he knew of the place, because he’s already been there. Hope this makes sense.

          • In my original post that didn’t go through, I tried commenting how that particular quote was a bit confusing to me. Did he hide the treasure chest, and then write the poem? Not sure. I thought I’ve read that his friends had seen it a month(s) before the book was published. Perhaps someone will correct me if I’m wrong.

          • Or it could be a place he had never been to until he actually hid the treasure.
            From “Forrest Gets Mail From a Middle School Class”:
            Q: When was the first time you went to the place where you hid the treasure?
            A: I don’t want to answer that question. It is more of a clue than I want to give.
            If the actual EXACT spot was never visited until he actually hid the TC and the area (wilderness, state, etc) is his favorite place in the world, then that would explain him never being there until actually hiding it. If he had actually visited that EXACT spot when he was young, what would have been the harm with him saying that he went there or found the spot many, many years ago?

          • Hi KP/Kevin!

            I agree with your line of thinking about not needing to doubt what Tom Terrific said, and that Forrest was referring to his own father as someone who would know the treasure location. However, I don’t think you need to do any further research into information about Marvin Fenn other than what Forrest writes about him already in “Thrill of the Chase” (Forrest also gave us a heads up at the end of TOTC that trying to find information about his father on the internet is a somewhat fruitless effort).

            I also don’t believe that going down this rabbit hole is a good direction to start off with if you haven’t already gotten a good solve based on the poem, IMO.

          • Kevin: ‘Or it could be a place he had never been to until he actually hid the treasure.’

            Mr. Fenn during Moby Dickens book signing: ‘I decided I knew where I was going to hide the chest.’

          • Kevin, in regards to the example you gave between the children in school and Mr. Fenn’s response, I’d like to offer a thought to you. If he had responded that the first time he had gone to this place, he was a young child, or a teenager, where would you start looking? Wouldn’t that be too much of a clue?

  2. I like the part about two can keep a secret if one is dead… I’ve often thought, someone else knows his spot…. but they are all dead.

    So its his secret.

    Its his poem. he wouldn’t be so possessive if he didn’t write it. ‘Don’t mess with my poem.’

    He likely reads it on video, so as not to add any unwanted inflection, or make an embarrassing mistake. And… if you watch him read it, it looks to me like he is hardly looking at the words, its just something to focus on. IMO

    • I’m pretty sure his dad and probably the rest of the family knew about the secret spot. I believe it was one of the places they used to hide their fishing gear.

  3. Kedar’s mom–

    Actually, it’s “if you’ve been wise and found the blaze”. When referring to being brave it is present tense: “If you ARE brave and in the wood”.

      • Oh, I see what you’re saying. He does say “if you’ve been brave”—but the printed poem (in many different locations) has it in present tense. So it’s clear that we know the answer—I mean, answers. 🙂

    • Hey kadar’s mom
      That’s because in that statement the person who found the TC has not left the location yet. As a builder the word “wood” changes it’s meaning from the word “woods” meaning the original wood ia a finished piece of wood not a tree.
      Just something to think about
      Timothy…IMHO

    • Hey kadar’s mom
      That’s because in that statement the person who found the TC has not left the location yet. As a builder the word “wood” changes it’s meaning from the word “woods” meaning the original wood is a finished piece of wood not a tree.
      Just something to think about
      Timothy…IMHO

  4. If “You’ve been” brave and in the wood I give u title to the gold. Well Forrest I have been Brave.
    Now I need that gold. 😉 $$$$$$$ lol ha ha.
    I will read it next time. Ha ha ha love it.

  5. I don’t think past or present tense on ‘brave’ has any bearing on the solve.
    Whenever Forrest reads the poem he pronounces ‘tarry’ as ‘ta-rē’ as in ‘to stay somewhere’ rather than ‘tärē’ which is ‘of, like, or covered with tar.’

  6. A question about the two mistakes in the old poem that was on Forrest’s website (link below).

    The two mistakes are:
    1. In line 2 (Stanza 1) it was “tresures” instead of “treasures”
    2. In line 19 (Stanza 5) it was “answer” instead of “answers”

    Forrest has said (not in these exact words) that answer(s) was a spelling mistake, pick whatever you want, the poem can be solved with either.

    My question is, did he ever explain the “tresures” difference? I cannot seem to find it anywhere. Could this “mistake” reveal that by “treasures bold” the meaning is “tressures bold”?

    tressure =
    * an ornamental enclosure containing a figure or distinctive device, formerly found on various gold and silver coins.
    * a narrow inner border on a shield, usually decorated with fleurs-de-lys. * Middle English tressour, from tressour, tressure band for the hair, headdress, from Middle French tresseor, tressure, from tresser to tress + -or, -ure

    It might also be a coincidence that the missing S if it is “tressures” was was added to “answer” by mistake. Either way, my question is did Forrest ever explain why his website used the word “tresures” in the poem?

    Note: Please do not think that in any way I am saying Forrest was misleading. I do not think he would do that, however “tressure” sounds a lot like “treasure” and “tresure”, maybe he fixed it so it is clear what he meant, or maybe because it can too easily be associated with “tressure”?

  7. @curioushobbit….no need to worry about copying…not with this sort of Spud at least…;)

    Rites

    A church and a wedding
    May be good,
    But first there was incense
    Of cedar wood.

    Instead of candles,
    Remember the fire
    In the hills, with the wind
    As your choir.

    You may answer the question
    “Do you take…?”
    But the holiest font
    Is a mountain lake.

    The sacred hills
    Are higher than churches,
    And they have steeples
    Of silver birches.

  8. This page is a ghost town. Lots of those in Wyoming. Anyways, here’s the poem without the lines containing ‘I’ ‘You’ ‘Your’ ‘Me’ and other similar words including ‘Brown’ because its capitalized and at the end of a phrase:
    And hint of riches new and old.
    Begin it where warm waters halt
    And take it in the canyon down,
    Not far, but too far to walk.
    From there it’s no place for the meek,
    The end is ever drawing nigh;
    Just heavy loads and water high.
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
    Just take the chest and go in peace.

    Notice how there are only nine lines left.

    • Jack,
      I have thought about this in a similar way & may have something there but I wouldn’t exclude PIBTHOB. I’m not sure why you grouped this with ‘I’ ‘You’ ‘Your’ ‘Me’.

      I have noticed that the only stanzas he mentions I – I’ve – I’m – Me or My are the 1st – 5th & 6th stanzas.

      So maybe stanzas 2 – 3 & 4 are about you.

  9. This page is a ghost town. Lots of those in Wyoming. Anyways, here’s the poem without the lines containing ‘I’ ‘You’ ‘Your’ ‘Me’ and other similar words including ‘Brown’ because its capitalized and at the end of a phrase:
    And hint of riches new and old.
    Begin it where warm waters halt
    And take it in the canyon down,
    Not far, but too far to walk.
    From there it’s no place for the meek,
    The end is ever drawing nigh;
    Just heavy loads and water high.
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
    Just take the chest and go in peace.

    Notice how there are only nine lines left.

      • I am usually 2 steps ahead of people. I just dont know how Forrest does it. He is always 3 steps ahead. As they say, it takes one to know one.

      • Jonsey1, have you seen the movie Wild Bill 1995 Jeff Bridges. The very last part of the movie made me laugh. Just as Wild Bill gets shot with Aces and Eights. The camera pans to a deck of cards. The cards label is Brown Fox Playing Cards….. It was a good movie.

  10. As I have gone alone in there…
    So why is it that I must go…

    I find it slightly odd the way stanza 1 & 5 start. In stanza 1, you would think the wording would flow better with… As I’ve gone alone in there, not unlike in stanza 5 ‘I’ve done it tired…’
    Also, wouldn’t stanza’s 5 first line read as ‘So why is it I must go…'[ dropping the “that” ]. If both stanzas relate fully to the same person? [ I’m not looking/considering proper grammar, just curious to the reasoning of presentation ].

    Are these slightly different worded lines meant have a reason or subtle way of saying, they are not one in the same person?

    Other quirts are; treasure to trove, as well as, stanza 5 is a form of a question with an answer[s] and stanza 1 talks of hints. Yet, another thought is; why not place stanza 5 at the end of the poem? Imo, stanza 6 would more likely read better/efficient after stanza 4, as it seems to be instructing us about the poem, and not so much an ending… with the question [ stanza 5 ] following it all up or finalizing the poem. I mean by now [ this far in the poem ], the reader is supposed to understand fenn has already gone, right?

    So, If fenn has gone alone in there and with the “treasure”… why tell us he’s leaving again, and with his “trove”? Seems a bit redundant, right? Why the subtle differences in the words chosen?
    Of course we do have hints of riches vs. answers [ “I’ve” done it tired, and now “I’m” weak ] to consider when reading these stanzas as well.

    The point to this; Do we understand these three stanzas as well as we should, or are they just [ like some proclaim ] simply meant as an intro to the poem and the poem’s ending?

    • Treasure vs. trove may be an artistic expression. Not having to use the same word repeatedly, but having the same meaning. This is an opinion, offered as a thought.

      • Artistic expression is always great in a poem… but there are two different meanings of treasure and trove, as well as their placement within the poem. This particular poem contains information to a million plus in gold and stones. Are these words simply written off as artistic expression? Many seem to be writing off a lot of words in this poem…
        “The poem in my book is something that I changed over and over again. When you read the poem it looks like just simple words there. But I guarantee you that I worked on that. I felt like an architect drawing that poem.”

        • Each have their importance, along with artistic expression. It will be difficult, but not impossible (paraphrasing).

    • I think f masked the ultra important beginning point in a seemingly vague first stanza. Then, he additionally masked that by having two stanzas at the end that don’t contain clues. He could have been counting on many to be focusing on the end stuff and skip over the beginning…which is how things have played out and f has commented about after the fact.

      • Fundamental ~ ” Then, he additionally masked that by having two stanzas at the end that don’t contain clues.”

        I guess that is one way of looking at it. Three stanzas just to screw with our heads… kinda a waste of 1/2 a poem.
        The again, if deliberate, it would make the poem even more difficult. But, that sounds like red herrings to me… 1/2 the poem not containing any clues, simply there to mask the real clues… If I’m reading your comment correctly.

        • Seeker, the last two stanzas may be to confirm what has already been done in the previous stanzas.
          ‘So why is it that I must go
          And leave my trove for all to seek?
          The answers I already know,
          I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.’

          This is an opinion, offered as a thought.

          • I get PD, and a lot of searchers seem to think the same. I just wondering if there are others that see it different…
            I’m also looking for that “…one important possibility related to the winning solve.”

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