The Key Word…Part Three

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“Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

The above is a quote from Forrest. This page is where we can discuss what that key word might be.

 

 

 

786 thoughts on “The Key Word…Part Three

      • Hma,
        How did you come about with the word that is key?
        If you think it’s not in the poem, I would have to think it must be from the books or interviews or SB’s?

        Let me in on your thought process here.

        • Jake – I have stated this before but will do it again. I didn’t say it’s not in the poem. I said it’s not one of the words in the poem. That doesn’t seem like much help but I guarantee you that it makes perfect sense. When f said he felt like an architect writing the poem he was spot on!

          • He said he FELT like an architect Hma,
            He never said he is or was.

            I feel like a rocket scientist right now but may feel like a kaboom tomorrow.

            I think you’re reading too much into his statements & putting too much weight on other things that are not the poem.

          • So, what are there, 166 words in the poem? How many different letters? So, I guess that whatever that number is, we can make up “A” word that is key???

            If you say so HMA, that is the only way I can make sense of what you say. ” I didn’t say it’s not in the poem. I said it’s not one of the words in the poem”

            So, If it is not a word in the poem, we can exclude those 166 from all of the infinately possible words that we can create from the letters in the poem????

            The only other possibility is that you are using punctuation as a word that is key – Period, comma, Question Mark or semi colon. Interesting,

            My guess would be Question or period??? JDA

          • Jake –

            “He said he FELT like an architect Hma,
            He never said he is or was.”

            Yes, he said he felt like an architect. Yes, there is a difference between having a degree and not. If it was up to me, he would get an honorary degree in architecture. If you are able to “see” what Fenn has constructed you would agree too.

            Since my first attempt to solve the poem turned into just a vacation, I’m working extra hard this time around to find a little box called Indulgence.

          • Hma,
            It has nothing to do with having certification or degree.

            You say: ” If you are able to “see” what Fenn has constructed you would agree too”

            I guess I’m just to stupid to see & you’re the only one that can.

            You know what I see?

            Someone blinded by there own thoughts where they dream of having the chest when they don’t.

          • JDA –

            Punctuation doesn’t have anything to do with the key word or word that is key.

            It was when I stopped reading the poem and started seeing the poem, that I discovered the word that is key.

          • Jake –

            “I guess I’m just to stupid to see & you’re the only one that can.”

            It takes adjustment to see thing differently. Why do you think f wanted us to watch the video about the bicycle that operated differently than what we expect or want? I never said you were stupid. I’m also not the only one who can “see.” F has said that certainly more than several have figured out the first 2 clues so if I am right, then I most certainly have company.

            Apparently my suggestions to you are not helpful. I don’t think Miss Ford was able to help F much either according to his report cards. 🙂

          • Nevermind Hma,
            If you don’t want to chat about the word that is key, then go to the appropriate page.

            I’m getting tired trying to wrangle you sidewinders in.

          • Well HMA;

            I guess that we will all just have to wait until you find the TC, then you can SHOW us how wise and smart you are, and not just hear about it. JDA

          • Jake–
            I’ll give an example of what HMA is saying. I’ll make up a sentence:
            “Justice and knowledge erode where anarchy reigns”.

            Now, Jake, you are part of my sentence without being a word in my sentence. I have used by architectures wording to ensure you are there. Does this make sense?

          • Yes I see Sparrow,
            But I have not found any real words or names in the poem when doing this.
            I think this method is good for those that can’t see the 9 clues.
            I see them as clear as day.

          • Jake—-

            Fully understood. Just wanted to give an example. I know you have your understanding of the poem and respect that. All the best to you in the New Year, and happy hunting. 🙂

          • Jake, Sparrow’s example is quite relevant. This is a technique for disguising a word in plain sight, and it isn’t even original. The very first armchair treasure hunt (Masquerade) used this form of steganography, and I think it’s a safe bet that Forrest is well aware of Kit Williams’ work. I don’t know why everyone is so resistant to entertaining the possibility that Forrest has done something similar. Not identical, mind you — that would have been found in the first week. He came up with something original. All in my opinion, of course, but it will be your opinion too when you figure it out.

          • This is nothing new to me Zap,
            There are many ways to come up with words in the poem or any piece of text.

            In fact it’s not new to anyone that has half a brain.
            It makes me wonder about you & others that try to shed light on a star.
            My mind is open as the universe is infinite. Remember that & you might get me.

            You can use this method until you realize the real deal.
            It’s only worth is what you are willing to pay & I’m not paying anything.

          • “This is nothing new to me Zap, There are many ways to come up with words in the poem or any piece of text.”

            Yes, of course there are. But that hardly disqualifies the technique.

            “In fact it’s not new to anyone that has half a brain.”

            And yet, you haven’t found it, so you’re taking your frustration out on me.

            “My mind is open as the universe is infinite. Remember that & you might get me.”

            I’m sure you’d like to think so, but you have made a judgment call that Forrest couldn’t have done what I have eluded to. Suppose for a moment — just for a moment with that infinitely open mind of yours — that he ~did~ do exactly as I’ve described. You would then have to consider the possibility that failing to decipher that first clue correctly could actually make solving the poem impossible.

          • Hearmeall,
            I’ll be honest. It’s a hard sell for many when you say; a word that is key is not a word in the poem but is in the poem.
            Although, the simple straightforward groupies may not get it… I think the example might kick start a thought or two.
            “Begin it where warm waters halt…” One could interpret a word that is key to relate to the word[s] death / demise / passing / end… well, maybe not end, that is in the poem.

            Is this a good example of what you’re saying HMA?

          • It could be “nigh;T”
            Since a semicolon means that the following relates to the former.

            He did say bring a flashlight.
            “The end is ever drawing night. Here will be no paddle up you creek”

            Idk, just throwing a word out there that is not in the poem but is in the poem.

            🙂

          • Seeker –

            Please excuse my tardy reply. I was detained in principal Fenn’s office. No switching, just needed to focus on other things. 🙂

            “I’ll be honest. It’s a hard sell for many when you say; a word that is key is not a word in the poem but is in the poem.
            Although, the simple straightforward groupies may not get it… I think the example might kick start a thought or two.
            “Begin it where warm waters halt…” One could interpret a word that is key to relate to the word[s] death / demise / passing / end… well, maybe not end, that is in the poem.

            Is this a good example of what you’re saying HMA?”

            That is not a good example of what I was referring to. If you go back and read what Sparrow shared with Jake it’s a good example of what I was implying. Of course there are always those that will choose another approach, so I can’t force anyone to see what I see. The chase boils down to two approaches or possibly three depending upon your take.
            1. The chase involves a lot of physical challenges.
            2. The chase involves a lot of mental challenges.
            3. The chase involves a combination of both.

            On this chase, I believe that it involves more mental capacity than anything else. Right or wrong that is what I see.

          • HMA,
            I guess my next question with the example would be… how do you choose a certain amount of words, whether a line or sentence and where it’s located within the poem?

            One could say the first stanza or first line in the first stanza.
            Another could say start at ‘begin.’
            Another would think ‘If you been wise…’
            Sill it could be the line or sentence from the question with the answer.
            Or even ‘ So hear me all and listen good or any part of stanza 6.

            This gives many possibilities that still needs narrowing down. How did you seemingly narrow it down without guessing?
            Not to mention the example could provide multitudes of words from that example itself.

            I’ll also ask, Why stop there [at just a word that is key]? There are 9 sentences… If this theory was plausible, it would be plausible for 9 individual words from each sentence could give the exact location.

            Seriously, groups of code breakers have attempted this poem with no avail. What make your idea the correct one? At some point an explanation is needed… just saying it, doesn’t provide information for feed back.

            Just saying…

          • HMA—–

            I appreciate your answer to seeker’s question. Great architecture in the poem conceals many important hints and clues, and it definitely is mentally challenging to say the least.

            Having only recently narrowed down my search area, I continue to marvel at all that is hidden in what appears to be a simple poem. It is a truly amazing piece of work! 🙂

          • Seeker –

            One could say the first stanza or first line in the first stanza.
            Another could say start at ‘begin.’
            Another would think ‘If you been wise…’
            Sill it could be the line or sentence from the question with the answer.
            Or even ‘ So hear me all and listen good or any part of stanza 6.”

            Those are all interesting choices Seeker. However f has told us to use logic and “think”. It doesn’t get much more clear than that. Without spoon feeding you the information, now is the time where you must take what you have learned and apply it. Logic.

          • HMA – We are definitely on the same page. Because every comment you make resonates with my line of thinking . Catching up on the threads….I’m a few months behind.

    • I think his special place is that a very special place and i think it may be the word “there”. When you see the blaze you go into “there”. I doubt you can see the blaze from where the treasure is hidden. That’s why people walk right by it as Forrest has said. “Look quickly down, your quest to cease But tarry scant with marvel gaze,” The blaze must be an awesome sight which blindly leads searchers away. Don’t go towards the light! “There” Not on a hill side behind a tree but in a 3D physical heavenly space. So if your blindly searching areas just think of one thing. Would you want to rest your bones there? My humble opinion of course.

      • its funny you say that i once turned a corner in nm to see a ski rental shop named the blaze true story my heart skipped a beat its no longer named that

      • I agree with you for the most part. Only didn’t FF say if he got another terminal diagnosis he would throw himself with his last dying breath on top of treasure and dare us to find him?

    • Jake, I believe that “nigh” IS a fairly important word . . .
      because it confirms, for me, the correct path to the TC.

      Here’s how I compare “important” with “key” when thinking about each word’s significance in the poem:

      If a word merely helps, even a lot, I call it “important”.

      If a word is, for all practical purposes, ABSOLUTELY
      necessary for finding the TC, I call it “key”.

      In my opinion, “nigh” is not “key”. In fact, I can imagine
      that if the entire line “The end is ever drawing nigh” was
      deleted from the poem, a searcher could still find the TC
      by solving the rest of the poem, without much more
      difficulty . . . compared to leaving the poem intact.

      Good luck to you. Please stay safe in the mountains.

      • You better get in tighterfocus as your name states.
        You delete that line & your odds go way down.

        Hey, F is the one that said there is a word that is “key” not me.
        Go ahead & ignore it if you must.

        A “key” unlocks something.

    • I agree ” nigh” is the key to unlock.

      F said let a kid read the poem.
      F said he would fly his plane and watch his GPS.
      F said don’t mess with his poem.
      F said in the book mountains are his church.
      I believe he said something about a play on words in the poem.
      F said you will have knowledge of geography.
      Me: Google earth and maps is your plane.

      The key word in my IMO that leads to warm waters halting is ……. Nigh :). (Play with the spelling…hint) The darn beginning IMO, even has a airport where a certain tributary ends. I guess to drive up the creek from there, which is down 😉 . Sorry, I can’t spell out my solve, its fun sharing parts though.

      I have driven 1200 miles in one hot day because of this word. Going back again now that I am listening.

      The word took me to a very beautiful place. I had my 75 year old uncle in tow for a walking gage. When he started blowing bubbles out his nose I knew I had to be a lil far lol

      F is a motivator and way better at keeping secrets than me. I’m new here so forgive me if I accidentally trampled on anyone…just love this stuff.

      • Sisson09

        Hi have we met?
        I am a bid advocate of just telling us what you mean. Hinting to us is kind of silly.

        What ever you have come up with has probably been looked at before. Lots of people looking at all this for years.

        Are you thinking abiut Nye, Montana? We can talk about that. Do you have anothet spelling? Maybe somone here had the same ides.

        I encourage everyone to sharr ideas openly. To date all of the new ideas and secret spots have yielded zero, zilch, nada.

        IMO
        Lugnutz

        • Nutz

          Sorry, didn’t mean to pee in someone’s cheerios. Yep I’m new here, seemed like a fun open friendly forum. Guess I just shared more than should’ve. I forget some people get wound tighter than eight day clocks, my fault won’t happen again. The chase is a good time stress relief from work IMO.

          I am sure people have looked everywhere and sorry I don’t have a new angle to bring to the potluck. I will be a silly 13 year old forever(43). Good luck and thanks.

          • Sisson09

            I am saying you should share, thats my opinion. The more we share the more we know.

            If you are looking at Nye montana we can talk about that. If you mean something else we could talk about that too.

            Loom at JDM a new person also. Shows up and bang kets talk about Taos and NE from there. Heck yeah I want to discuss that.

            Lugnutz

      • welcome to the Chase, Sisson09

        yes, nigh is such an enigmatic word in the context of the poem, that it’s def worthy of being a ‘key-word’ candidate imho

        and don’t listen to Lugnutz btw, as he’s just attempting to squeeze a valid clue out of ya
        ( ..given that he evidently lacks one 🙂 )

        • CH

          I mentioned an idea Nye Montana. I also published my maps with all my Homes of Brown and Bkazes and Warm Waters.

          I always share all my thoughts openly.

          To say otherwise is lying.

          I ask filks to share tgere spots to save them the heartache of arriving and finding a blaze or jar left by searchers yeats ago.

          Lugnurz

          • ive been there but it is spelled different. there is a view a fall and more you have to go in the woods to find more it is a wonder a butterfly is close by as is the king of the hill the creek is something that holds your trousers up but my key word is warm and what follows only because of where it leads me so i will f ollow i will soon be standing and gazing at the past but that trip there was awesome
            but im chaseing my tail the right warm waters is unknown to me its there and each one to elimanate is a tough tricky path the fire hole bath may be it but i think itscloser to me then that but i went and saw it just to do so no matter i still lived and enjoyed the journey

          • Jeff Burch –

            Your response is a little rambly.
            If you like the idea of Nye MT being in the Chase one possible Warm Waters Halt would be the County that Nye rides in. And then there is the Wood south of there.

            Just some thoughts.
            Lugnutz

        • thanks LN, for valiantly saving us the heart-ache of not finding the TC where you suspect it isn’t

          “What ever you have come up with has probably been looked at before. Lots of people looking at all this for years.” …vague much?

          and if anyones guilty of hinting at being “silly” here, then it’s definitely me, not S09

          (fact! 😛 )

          • Agreed on “it” possibly being the key word.

            Begin “it” where warm waters halt
            And take “it” in the canyon down,
            So why is “it” that I must go
            I’ve done “it” tired, and now I’m weak.

            In converse, the following sentence uses “it’s” instead of “it is”.
            From there it’s no place for the meek

      • Welcome aboard.

        Don’t mind Lug, he is just cranky sometimes.

        Who cares if an idea has been discussed. You may have just what the discussion needs – new insight. If
        all of the “Good” ideas have already been discussed, the treasure would have been found – so say whatever you want to say…but keep certain secrets – just that – a secret. Many will “fish” – give then only as much as you want them to nibble on.

        Just the thoughts of an old geezer, who tries NOT to be an old grouch – JDA

        • Old Original JD

          I was not being cranky, i was emploring the new chaser to share openly.

          I must have not done a goos job of saying that.

          I welcome the new chasers!
          Who knows the next JD could be among thwm!

          Lugnutz

          • …and New chasers may bring vindication to my remote viewing solution!!

            Yeah teeeeeeaaaam!

            :o)

            Too much Lugnutz?

            :o)

      • I think it’s butt, there are 2 in the poem, putting two ends of something together, twice, hence the semi colon… separating the two in between butts… so as to have beginning end, end beginning ; beginning end end beginning

  1. The Word(s) that is key, for me, is “The wood”

    A very obscure definition of these two words, when taken
    as one, directs me to a geographically definable spot in WY.
    From here, the quest begins. TRY to STAY SAFE ALL in 2017

    Happy New Year – JDA

    • JDA – I must say that geography is crucial when solving the poem so we agree on that. Where we differ is that my key word or word that is key is not one of the words in the poem but I could see it in the poem. It didn’t have any obscure meaning either.

      Happy New Year to you JDA!

    • Mine too on “wood”. Only it was the second clue. The first was the I’d inside the cover that read “attach photo or thumbprint here” I found that thumbprint “in the wood” on the left side of the picture of him and June chopping wood in the book. I literally cut it out and attached it and moved on to the next instruction I found. Lots to be found in the “wood”….and heard too, if you listen to his directions. IMO of course.

    • JDA—–

      I was just curious. One very archaic meaning of “wood” is to be “mad” or “crazy”. I know you won’t want to share the exact thing you speak of— but does it have anything to do with the head at old definition of wood?

      The poem could then actually be saying “If you are brave and crazy enough to accept where the treasure is hidden, then I give you title to it”.

      Just curious if you had ever thought about it in that way.

    • If we can break down this word & get useful info to help us with the clues in finding the treasure or helping with the 9 clues, then I can see its value.

      The only thing I can get out of “treasures” is Montana, the Treasure State.

      • Hey Jake,
        Happy New Year to you.
        I was trying to relate to what Sparrow told you ,to the first stanza.
        Now I don’t believe in this stuff ,but take the corner letters a,e,a,d and Google that..

        • I see eaglesabound,
          Yea, I just don’t see F playing around like that.
          I hope not anyway.

          • Just sent you an email eaglesabound,
            Check it out & let me know what you think.

          • Jake –

            “Yea, I just don’t see F playing around like that.
            I hope not anyway.”

            Do you think f is going to make finding the chest easy? Just because he got D’s and F’s in school doesn’t mean that he didn’t figure things out. Look at how well he operated his gallery. He obviously was able to figure out what mattered. Is it possible that the poem is a mirage?

          • Hear me all,

            D’s and F’s. That reminds me of a true story.

            When I was in a college chem class I ran into a guy my brother went to high school with. When I told my brother (4 years older and a A-7 pilot in Nam too) about Butch, he was shocked, saying Butch was like a total dud scholastically.

            Well, to make long story short, since my brother had known him, Butch had married and had at least one kid. He graduated from Cal Berkeley with a 4.0 in electrical engineering and then went to Stanford for his Masters. After completing his Masters he was immediately hired by HP and they sent then him back to Stanford for his PhD.

            So yes, I agree. There is no doubt in my mind that with the right motivation, anyone can become an achiever.

        • eaglesabound,

          On that same a,e,a,d theory, the sentence “So why is it…” spells out SOAK (to immerse in liquid), and the sentence “If you are brave…” spells out I DID. Those 2 sentences do have something exclusive in common in that they are the only 2 line sentences with no commas.

          Jake, this reinforces your in water theory, are you a believer now? Just kidding…

          • I’ve also been a seeker that thinks that one may need to get into water for the final search and locating of the chest.

            Shoot – for my first search – I actually brought a snorkel set.

            :o)

            Water does seem to fit in the “tarry scant” category.

          • Thanks Mark,
            I got my underwater theory just from reading the poem in a straightforward way. No mumbojumbo here. I like all the letters & words in the order he placed them just fine.

    • Iron Will;

      If Forrest indicates that there is a word that is key, when he answered the following question, “1Q) My previous 6 questions were asked shortly before last year’s February 27th segment of the Today Show. Reporting on your extraordinary treasure hunt, it resulted in an explosion of new seekers from all across the world. What are some of your thoughts about the flurry of activity over the past year?  Did the excitement towards the Chase surprise you in any way? Does it make you think the chest might be found earlier than first thought?
      It is interesting to know that a great number of people are out there searching. Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key….”

      How is it that you can ignore Forrest’s statement? One of three logical possibilities exist. 1) Forrest is lying about the existence of a word that is key, or
      2) Your solution is not the correct solution. or
      3) Your solution is correct, but you have failed to identify a word that is key.

      Which one do you think it is Iron Will?

      I would bet on #2, but what do I know. JDA

      • “”How is it that you can ignore Forrest’s statement? “”
        I haven’t ignored any of Forrest’s statements… just yours, and Jake’s, and Seeker’s… well you get the point. And since you asked, it’s number 3. At this point, a “tight focus of a word that is key” is no longer needed, where I am concerned.

        • Well, good luck in finding the Word that is key. Without it, it is doubtful you will ever be able to claim the big prize…Just my opinion of course. JDA

        • “Think” is the word that is key to solving the poem.
          Without thinking, you accomplish nada!
          “Analyze” = tight focus
          “Analytical Thinking” is a MUST!
          Elementary, my dear Watson. The key word is not IN the poem, it’s how you SOLVE the poem!
          ( IMO – but I’m right)

          • With a few minor modifications I would like to repeat a post in SB 162 I recently made.

            My interpretation is that he is referring to a single word and I think I have found that word as it has served me well by first opening an important door, ultimately opening many subsequent doors. This has in turn led me to a a much better understanding of what I believe are the two enigmas behind the Chase. Kind of Yin-Yang so to speak. The poem (The Chase) and the underlying thought behind it.

          • Donna—

            Think is a good word to consider as “key”. Good, and in the realm of possibility, but I believe the word that is key may be something entirely different than that.

            It’s staggering how many interpretations there are for that word. Wish there was a way to nail it down. But “think” isn’t it I’m fairly certain.

      • “Key word” vs “word that is key”.
        To me they mean two different things.
        The first one to me says that there exists a special word that is planted into the poem on purpose like a decoder.

        However, the second one indicates that a word when understood properly , will reveal the meaning of the poem and will separate the correct path from the obvious ones.

        • UA –

          “The first one to me says that there exists a special word that is planted into the poem on purpose like a decoder. ”

          Do you remember where Forrest talks about the register guy in Important Literature who he thought was on something and he didn’t think it was Ovaltine? Seems to be a tie in with Ralphie and his Ovaltine decoder ring from A Christmas Story. 🙂

          Just using a bit of imagination on this end.

        • I agree UA – pretty much anyway. 🙂 I originally thought there was a single word in the poem that could lead to a complete solve if it were interpreted properly. As I read more and looked at maps closely I came up with a word outside of the poem that worked very well (at least in my mind!) to solve the poem and lead me to an area that seemed like an excellent place to hide Forrest’s treasure. And it seemed to me that the word also had a connection back to a word in the poem. Unfortunately, it’s difficult to spend time traveling to the location I’m interested in so I will just have to be content with reading about other searchers and their adventures.

          Happy New Year to all you Searchers! I hope one of you can find that treasure during the coming year and let us know where it was. I would love to know if my solution was any where near correct! 🙂

          • Sparrow – To me the word that is key or key word will narrow the area to be searched down to a manageable size. Just considering the vast expanse of the Rockies in the 4 states in play and knowing that there are many places WWWH, one really does need a key word in order to narrow the focus. At least that is how I feel. I know others would rather take a stab in the dark or pin the tail on the donkey. That approach is fine but will only work with divine intervention IMO. As for the key word or word that is key being able to help you understand the poem, I think in a small way it does, however it won’t reveal enough to give you all the answers.

          • HMA—-

            I agree there— I don’t think you’ll solve the poem with one word either. But it will open a door.

          • “I don’t think you’ll solve the poem with one word either. But it will open a door.”

            …and once again….we have another reference to the poem as a whole.

            …and once again, I will reiterate one cannot achieve anything without understanding the importance of a poem, which is a large “blaze”/trail/path/direction one must take in order to be focused on the end result…..all the while…..while you are physically on this same “blaze”/path/direction.

            Am I the only one who literally sees this?

            FF – paraphrased – “serious thought to the clues in my poem then “only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key”….

            I stand firm…..it is logical…..simple…..expressive…..detailed…..explanatory….exact.

            One must look for a path (“blaze”) to begin. One must use the path (“blaze”) they find. One must use the poem (“blaze”) to achieve the goal. One must utilize trails (“blazes”) in the wildnerness to achieve the end goal.

            There are just too many “requirements” of the “blaze” to discount this way of thinking…..but whom am I to let others in on this thinking……I’m just a guy in Albuquerque who has only gone on one physical search, huh?

            *winks*

            Good luck to all!

  2. IMO, the word that is key is not in the poem and can only be seen with a magnifying glass.
    Tight=closely fixed in place
    Focus= zoom in

      • Well Sparrow, if your not using a magnifying glass, you’re missing a whole bunch of stuff in the book. F is a very clever fellow. IMO of course, but suit yourself.

        • Eagle–

          My apologies. I’m not sure why but the majority of things I read make me think of humorous things (humorous to me I realize). I have no doubt that using a magnifying glass could yield fruitful results. All the best to you and in your search. 🙂

  3. I was flying a simulator the other night Due North of Fanta Fe.
    Did not Forest say at one time years ago that he traveled North of Santa Fe and it took him around 45 Minutes to get to the site where he placed the treasure?…….

    I was flying a piper cub at 80 notts and around 38 minutes stopped, I was almost to Ojo Caliente on 285 North. I will look around that area, and No Iam not the expert…LOL…..

    • I am not aware of Forrest ever having said:
      1) That he flew to the area
      2) That it took 45 minutes.

      If I were you, I would either come up with the quote, or not put any faith in the supposed quote. Just my opinion.

      Any one out there ever heard of this? JDA

      • JDA..Right he never said he flew out that way but I believe a few years ago some where I read or possible an interview he said it took him 45 minutes to drive there.. Good talking with you JDA and sorry for getting off task here on the word. But I read up in some comments WY may be visited and that came to mind.

        It’s been a while since I’ve taken notes and posted. I find myself as everyone else still thinking and figured I would fly the route the other night maybe taken by Fenn….with some sort of equivalent made in his vehicle trip.

        • He never said anything about 45 minutes, driving or flying. In Moby Dickens video he talks about flying his Piper Mirage from Santa Fe north 600-700 miles and landing at an airport that had rental cars.

          • He’s probably flown many different places over the years. I’ve read an article that said he’d fly in to Cody quit often. He was a board member to the Buffalo Bill Museum for a while as well and has donated several items to the museum including a cabin that I think Joseph Sharp had in Montana who painted Indian portraits and cultural life. Sharp was also a founding member of Toas Society of Artists. Cody area which is in the 600-700 mile range was a spot Forrest visited quit often. 633 miles crow flies. I think the deeper we go the crazier I get. Way to many connections everywhere.

          • Maconner;

            In TFTW there is a delightful story about Forrest flying into Lander, WY and spending two days on the Popo Agie river with a 14 year old guide. He then flies to Cody, and says that those FOUR days were the best of his life (paraphrasing – Sorry I have loaned out my copy of TFTW) Where did he spend the other two days before arriving in Cody??? Interesting. JDA

          • And Lander is the original location of Camp
            Brown. And is located in the Wind River Valley which the Shoshone refer to as Warm Water Valley. Wind River Valley is what we call it. They do not.

            Lugnutz

        • Earl, I very well could be wrong, but again, I do not believe he has ever stated that it took him any particular amount of time to drive. The only reference I am aware of to driving is this one:”Weekly Words Post June 17, 2016
          Dear Forrest, may I ask what type of car you used to go into the mountains to hide the Treasure Chest. ~ Bill
          Yes Bill, it was a sedan”. F

          Pdenver or anyone else, any help? JDA

          • JDA

            Im not sure. My brother has a copy I read while driving 24 hours to Montana last year. We had a wonderful time and are planning another trip this year! We’re getting our possibilities in order as well as vacation sites we haven’t seen. I’m getting in gear once again reading what I can. I read a post you made a day or so ago about the wilderness. I agree with you 100%. When asked about searching the mountains he replied by something to the effect of and need to search wilderness areas as well. We all know the Rockies are mountainous areas but why did he throw in the wilderness areas as well? The official wilderness areas, accessibility to these areas for an 79 year old person eliminates probably 98% of search areas. I hope I haven’t miss interpreted or misread something working off memory which isn’t my strong point. Throw in the 600-700 miles ring and narrows the area I’m looking at. He did start to say something in an interview and quit half way through a statement. It was enough to rethink a certain situation I believe he was referring. Just another rambler going on here. let me know if you find out about the other 2 days please!

    • I think you are right Heidini. The word IS KEY. And I think that eaglesabound is also right. In order to see the “key” you must use both the zoom feature on GE and also be centered in the focal point of a giant image of a magnifying glass. These things are not stated in the poem but the poem clues lead you to this location. And the key location is really “key” to solving the final 2 or 3 clues. If you are not in tight focus at this point you cannot be precise in your solution.

      Oh, and I think that many of you are confusing two statements from Fenn about the “key.” There’s “…a word that is key,” and there’s “The key word is contentment. Once you’ve found that everything else will already have fallen into place.” The “key word” is contentment.

      If you can’t find the word that is key AND the key word in your final search area you are probably not right in your solution.

      All of this is just no one’s opinion but my own.

    • John and Heidini,

      This is interesting. It seems a little more than coincidental that Forrest’s previous yearly interview related “word”, “Key” and “Contentment”.

      Another thing that can focus, is the EYE. It was posted several days before the “few are in tight focus with a word that is key” that the 9th letters in each line around line 13, give EYE and KEY.

      Still, I don’t believe the above two connections are enough to complete the meaning of Forrest’s quote.

      Happy New Year.

  4. after many arduous hours of study and contemplation, I have finally concluded that the only correct keyword must be:

    ‘findthatdarnchest’!

    Happy New Years 🙂

  5. Greetings all,

    It has been awhile for me being into this poem and here here, actually a few months. It is a new year and perhaps a new thinking approach to this poem and keyword. I will share just a little bit of “new thought” process. Only because this website popped in my email suddenly after many months-today. So as follows:

    The Line- “put in below the home of Brown”

    In my Strong opinion the keyword in this line is the keyword for the whole poem and unlocks the rest of the poem.

    My keyword is HOME. Which in turn unlocks Brown then everything else for my solve unlocks perfectly but of course I won’t divulge other than pertaining to Brown.

    Home ,to me me means “to home in” . Keeping with Forrest war pilot history. ‘The missile will home in on its target” .

    So, to home in on Brown is ,to me, one person or more than one person named Brown that are all triangulated together. Meaning, we have Molly Brown of the Titanic, we have the woman with the blond hair for missile sight used in ww2 and we have Dan Brown. Within the poem looking at all three Brown’s as one clue they all lead in a trickle down flow so to speak with the rest of the poem-they all have a role in the poem. History, location and allegory all leading to the person that changed the world!!-riches new and old!!. Who were the people associated ,socialized and or directly/indirectly known by these persons named Brown and its all intertwined in life and era of the times that I believe the poem infers. Each Brown mentioned is all relative to the secret where! All Browns are separately related here but all of them unlock the clues in the poem. Just branch off the lives of each one separate from each other in investigation.

    HOME in on Brown and the rest of the poem is real easy for me anyways- very succinct .

    I live in Canada and won’t be searching. Unless I go on vacation to obvious area-not anytime soon.

    Happy New Year and cheers to new approaches to old problems.

      • Greetings OS2,

        Had to look up VonBraun, for I didn’t know whom he was. No, nothing to do with that fella. Thanks for asking though. Most will just probably ignore what I said lol. I realized this of what I said just in a AHA moment. Most key words in writing have 3 meanings. So, I looked at it with Brown by homing in. So, three Browns. Wow I thought. These three I thought of before fell away as I lost interest. Then I investigated their relevance later on one day and they were all connected in many ways separated but all pointed in a direction that lead me further and further .

        So, my reference to the person that changed the world ( I think that’s what you mean) had lead me to that person! That person has six clues in the poem! The three Browns lead to six more clues and I then easily found all nine. So, clearly in the poem without “trying ” to make them fit. It makes sense. Everyone thinks this of their thinking the same way in their own right. I could easily rewrite the poem the exact same way Forrest did with my AHA! So perfect how he wrote it. I did allot of open minded research.

        The “person” I am eluding to is someone in the last 150 years was alive and few know of them, but we owe much gratefulness to them. I am writing them as singular not plural for non gender sake. I am just shocked it took me this long lol. Too bad I am not able to search. I would have to be on spot to walk the solve and I would imagine it would take a few try’s.

        It’s a 7 year mystery so far. I hope someone finds it this year.

      • To OS2,

        OOPs. I was mistaken of which VonBraun you were referring to! Not sure the connection of what you mean by eliminated and several others BUT there is a name associated with that reference that is whom I am talking about! WOW, you are good!

      • I believe Werner Von Braun was at White Sands working on missiles. I find no citations that indicate that he was at Los Alamos.

        • the big boomb i believe you can watch a vid there about how things worked out to end the war there is a skating rink in the caynon below if i rember right

    • my “hoB” also points me to a location that also fits with the other prior clues.

      IMO – “Brown” could be a key word too, because it gives you an exact location.

      Now could this key word actually be a pointer for the clues that follow the “key word” or is it a word that just helps you get to a location? This is something I am still trying to figure out.

      • Tim;

        For me, my word(s) that is/are key – “The wood” directed me to an exact area in Wyoming, that led me to an EXACT wwwh, which led me to (I hope) solving the puzzle. That’s how it worked for me. JDA

        • check the elevationJDA that wyoming has a way of dropping out of the chase to low in a lot of places likr thermolopis and many others

  6. I just want to wish all of you seekers a Very HAPPY NEW YEAR, and may it be a safe and prosperous one.
    And to you Dal, I wish to say Thank You very much for doing what you do for all of us.

  7. “with a word that is key”

    Not the word
    Not that word

    The quote from FF is at the top of the page.

    • Also, this is the only clue within the only sentence that has an emphatic phrase in the entire poem.

      “So hear me all and listen good,
      Your effort will be worth the cold.”

      • I’ll disagree….but jsut to bring in some additional information I relate to this one word – “cold”.

        IMO – it is a reference to a possible time of season….early spring / late fall….both are viable to search without the possibility of running into bears while searching. One would need to “brave the cold” to avoid the bears.

        – another possibility is that is a reference to “being in cold water” looking.

        – another possibility is that it may have a direct relationship to the elevation, as we all know the higher one travels in elevation, the colder it gets.

        Three different possibilities that only reflect a temperature or elevation change.

        If one applies this to the poem…..because FF thinks one “key” word could break open the poem and then have it perceived differently, I doubt it will do this……but……..IMO it is one of the nine “CLUEs”.

        Cheers and good luck this year.

        • All very good definitions of cold.
          If I might add another.
          Remember back when you played “Battleship?”
          “Am I hot?” – or “Am I cold?” – cold meaning, off target, or a ways away from the target. Could this mean not directly aligned with something, but a ways off of the target (The treasure)? Just a different possibility. JDA

        • Tim ~ “another possibility is that it may have a direct relationship to the elevation, as we all know the higher one travels in elevation, the colder it gets.”
          If one stands on the rim of the Grand Canyon, it’s much warmer, mainly due to direct sunlight, than in the canyon below. Wind current, water, shade etc. in the lower section help some for a temperature drop. [ this is true for most valleys, canyons, gorges etc. ] Native American used the higher elevations for dwelling in winter for this reason and hunt in the valley below. [ depending on the area in questioned of course ].

          Personally I think cold has many clever usages in the poem. Cold in the reward of the metal chest, all the failed attempts but a perseverance if and when you solve it. Cold as night to day. Cold as possibly a time of year to understand the solution but not needing to be done at that time. Cold can mean opposite of brave as a hint, but in this case, it may involve a more personal intimidation or superstition than actual bravery… Example; My blood turned cold at the sight in front of me.

          Honestly, the thought that one would need to be brave to ‘avoid bears’ is a bit overboard for me. I mean, for some darkness scares the crap out of them.
          Brave seems to be used by many, out of context with the poem, as bravery of the searcher.
          I think it relates to taking on the challenge itself, and possibly be meant for what a clue stands for… Example of this type of thinking; the Vietnam Veteran Memorial wall … not so much the searcher needing to be brave.

          Cold is one of these words in the poem… imo… has many usable meanings and not just a single meaning. Multiple Meanings and usages of words for interpretation.

          • Good points seeker….and thanks for posting them.

            I don’t disagree with those, I was only highlighting some of the more prominent meanings. FF uses multiple meanings for multiple things, thus we are only speculating….BUT…..this is where the fun begins…..it allows us to share – granted “vague” sharing in some cases – of those meanings and thoughts.

            A collaborative effort will help the one who finds the chest.

            If he/she is to do this on his/her own with NO HELP AT ALL from anyone, that would be quite an amazing feat. I don’t think it is possible.

            Cheers!

            .

          • Tim,
            I think it’s quite possible actually.
            Many searchers here today started at the time news medias pick up the story… mainly because of the value of the prize involved.
            While we all have the same information [ the book and the poem ] We searchers today have jumped into computer mode… I don’t think we’ll discover answers on the internet… I use it for easy access to what I need… maps and words meanings.

            I’m a believer that the poem tells the reader how to read it…. the hear me all and listen good part.

          • Hi Seeker, on the subject of “cold”, you replied to Tim (Zoso):

            “If one stands on the rim of the Grand Canyon, it’s much warmer, mainly due to direct sunlight, than in the canyon below.”

            I have to question whether you’ve hiked into the Grand Canyon before. I dare say it is almost never colder at the bottom of the canyon than it is at the rim. The G.C. does not have such sheer walls that the bottom is in shade most of the time. Maybe in the dead of winter the south shoreline of the Colorado River is in perpetual shade, but even so the 4,000-foot elevation difference is going to amount to at least a 12-degree boost for the canyon floor relative to the rim (and when I hiked it one Memorial Day weekend, the difference was over 20 degrees). Currently it is 36F in Grand Canyon Village at the South Rim; compare that with 53F currently at Phantom Ranch at the bottom.

        • Just to add one additional thought. Often, chemotherapy leaves the patient feeling very cold. Just wanted to share that.

          • “Often, chemotherapy leaves the patient feeling very cold. Just wanted to share that.”

            This is not entirely true.

            I went through three months of Chemo…..and granted, your immune system is depleted, and the depletion leaves the patient “seemingly cold”, it is actually just chills from the changing external temperature.

            With FF – his cancer was probably not extensive as mine was – which included a nine hour surgery. So, granted he is a cancer patient and in remission, I really can’t say how his treatment affected him, but you may speculate all you want.

            I don’t believe it to be an accurate assessment.

            Sure – there were also times I felt like I was trudging through mud…..but at the end of the day, I picked myself up and continued on in the journey. It surely didn’t hold me back.

            I now live on the edge…..just like Forrest.

          • Just to add—I said nothing about the “cold” holding anyone back. My comment was based on the poem saying “your effort will be worth the cold”—so not sure where you got the idea I was saying the cold would be an insurmountable obstacle.

  8. Happy New Year everyone.

    Thank you again Dal for all your hard work.

    And Mr. Fenn, thank you so much for the wonderful education.

  9. Even though I believe the “keyword” thing to be a total boondoggle, I did have a word that the application of confirmed the method, my progress and lead me to another key element.

      • colokidd – Don’t let the solitude get you down. As your moniker suggests, you are searching in CO? If not then what state? Out of all the RM’s I enjoy the Colorado Rockies the best.

          • colokidd –

            Enjoy the solitude but remember to be safe because we are never alone in the mountains.

            I think back to the vacations that I took in 2013, 2014, and 2015 to different areas of CO and those places beckon me to return but not until the chest is found. I did catch some very nice views of the CO Rockies this year while passing through.

          • Hma –
            I’m enjoying the solitude within the chase community not the mountains and I’m not fixated on any state just a location.
            Yes, CO is a pretty state to visit, ski and hike in.

    • To me Title refers me to the key word being in the title. Could be Chase and that’s a reference to Chase Ranch I Whyoming.

      Lugnutz

      • Clearly Clueless –

        We have thought before that the word title in the poem refers back to the title of the poem or book. This had lead some, including myself, to a unhealthy obsession with Chase ranch and the Boy Scouts in New Mexico.

        A question we have asked before: does Fenn’s poem have a title?

        Lugnutz

        • I see it as a titleless poem.
          But, I will think about and consider that theory.
          I was late to the chase and still reading and catching up.

          • Take a look at Hermit Peak while you are at it. Read the history of the hermit. Then read as many poems by Robert Frost as you can.

            Tips from Lugnutz Lollypop

  10. I think the word is blaze, and it refers to a place you normally would not want to go. I hope all of you have a Happy New Year!

  11. As I have stated previously, I think the word “listen” is very important. If you listen well (good) to the poem, you just might hear what he is trying to say,

    Scott W.

  12. Originally Fenn mentioned “…a word that is key…” and folks have debated this to the ends of the universe. I would point out that all arguments are relevant because no one knows anything for sure. It may be wise to acknowledge that Fenn’s comments in the Round up over at MW may suggest that there are key WORDS that are relevant. After all…HE did look for KEY WORDS in the short emails….

    • Ken;

      I would suggest that the key words that Forrest looked for probably relate to the places that the poem leads you to, and not “Words that are key” found in the poem – Make sense?

      Just a thought – JDA

      • JDA…everything makes some kind of sense in this case…my point is that…now Fenn has broadened things by saying “key words”. He also never implied that “…a word that is key…” was definitely IN the poem. If he can look for “key words” in short emails to gauge things…whether places or not….does it not broaden things enough to imply that searchers should look for key words? Everything is open to interpretation….

          • JDA…No right or wrongs implied. Just struck me that in light of the surge in “key word” discussion “before” his comment…that he may have thrown that in there to mix things up a bit.

  13. Jake—- you’re in Florida right? Maybe the word is one of the Florida Keys. If so, you may have a distinct advantage over the rest of us. 🙂

  14. My key word is …. Onion. Not sure how that solves this treasure hunt though 😯

    • You know the Spanish word for onion is Cebolla, right? I know of several searchers who think Fenn’s treasure chest is near there. Is that where you are headed in April? Oh, by the way, I still have all your camping stuff if you attend Fennboree and want it…or if you want it when you get here in April. Let me know.

      • Well it might have been referring to some Sour Cream and Onion Ranch dressing 😛
        Yep I’ll be at Fennboree this year. I hope you got some good use out of the coolers at least. 😀 I’ll coordinate with you about two weeks out when I’m coming.

        Do you know what happened to Sacha? Seemed like she dropped off the Earth! 😯

        • Thanks for replying. Yes, I’ve used one of your coolers several times…good size for short camping trips. Yes, we should co-ordinate a couple weeks before Fennboree. Sacha is busy being a real estate agent. Not sure if she still searches or plans to attend Fennboree 2017.

      • Ooowww….. I want to comment on that so bad but I’ll end up in moderation for sure if I do………

    • That’s a good key word, Will. Try replacing the O with another vowel that could make the same pronunciation of the word.

  15. I’m staring at the keyword on my GPS as we speak. Just waiting for the snow to melt.

    PS had a blast learning about the Rockies and all the treasures it holds

  16. Re: a word that is key….as of now I don’t think about any magic word that unlocks the clues…just keeping it simple with any word that helps nail down the first clue…..if the word were ‘Halt’ then anther word for this is ‘freeze.’ I tend to agree with others regarding the word ‘cold’ and that being just plan on cooler temps/weather in the general area due to wind, rain and maybe having to get your feet wet crossing a stream a few times. I feel the TC is found by the 4th stanza. The marvel gaze is looking at the contents of the chest! Just my thoughts and subject to change as more is learned. IMO

  17. No harm…no foul….

    But you are right…he may have used his treatment process as a catalyst.

  18. my key word … old
    Forrest web page old santa fe trading company

    Forrest daughter and her family own a company called oldwood
    His daughter and 4 grand children with the last name old.
    In his book TTOTC, page 25 Forrest made a statement about bad grades and all, they couldnt take away his name.
    His legacy will live on through his grandchildren.
    Shilo old, and his sisters do the packing and shipping of the books that are sold through his webpage.
    I believe he would want to rest in piece with his spirit overlooking his grandchildren and great grand children that come in the future.

    He has also talked about hiding from his grandchildren

      • Thanks JDA!,

        If I ever do BOG . Not quite there yet in my mind to do so. Very time consuming and expensive for me to go from Canada ( I am 6 hours drive north of Montana) and I am not looking at Montana. I need a couple more “winks” and clues to solve confidently yet for me to try.

        “riches” does key 6 of nine clues IMO.

  19. Greetings, Y’all !

    It may be nothing new to y’all http://dalneitzel.com ol’ timers (as I’m a babe in the wood), but the following was of interest when I read it; an excerpt from a Newsweek article from 8/12/2012:

    [quote]
    Even here it’s hard to tell whether Fenn’s digging has crossed any legal lines. Twenty-two years ago, New Mexico accused him of disturbing graves on his pueblo, alleging “obvious human remains” that were “piled and scattered.”

    Fenn got the complaint thrown out when he learned that the state had trespassed to collect its evidence. But to this day he doesn’t deny finding possible graves.

    “The key word [in the law] is ‘discover’,” Fenn says. “We’ve found bones that might have been human, but we didn’t ‘discover’ that they were, so we covered them up and moved someplace else.” [end quote]

    The following link to the source quoted above:
    http://www.newsweek.com/forrest-fenn-wants-you-find-his-treasure-and-his-bones-64427

    • Quak;

      So, what is your point? How does this affect the “Chase”?

      Forrest owned San Lazaro. He had the right to dig on that property, just as you have the right to dig on your property.

      If I was digging on my property, and found a bone, am I, by law, required to call “authorities” to have the bones investigated? I think not. If the place, San Lazaro, was known to be the home of ancient peoples, wouldn’t one be expected to find human remains somewhere? The “respectful” thing to do is rebury them, and move on.

      What is the problem? And again, what is your point in bringing this to the attention of people involved in the chase?

      Just askin’ Seems like you want to besmirch Forrest in some way. Why? What are YOUR motives? JDA

      • JDA,

        I don’t think Quak is trying to besmirch Forrest here. He found a quote from Forrest in which he said: “The key word [in the law] is ‘discover’”, and thinks that the word “discover” is the key word that Forrest is referring to with regards to the quote dal posted at the very top of this page. Quak was also just providing some context to where Forrest said that sentence, which is helpful.

        I think most of us believe that “the key word” is a word that appears in the poem, but now that I read the way the original quote was written at the top of this page, I guess one could interpret it differently. (I still think Forrest was talking about a word in the poem, myself.)

      • Contentment.
        Personally, I appreciate that key word even more 🙂

      • Hi Loco – so everything else will have already fallen in place for you to find the key word… so if this is intended to apply to ‘a word that is key’, then it is what confirms or validates your solve as correct and gives you confidence and a smile as you make that final walk.

        Am I reading that right? Or just applying something unrelated that sounds like it may be applicable? 🙂

        • Yes, the keyword that ff spoke of is exactly as you say. But the final walk may be more than 1, 2 or 3.. maybe even 7

  20. Are ya kiddin’, JDA?
    “besmirch” ?!?!

    Please, my friend. re-read my post and it’s contents . . . y’all confused 🙂

    • Yes, besmirch.

      Your post says,”Even here it’s hard to tell whether Fenn’s digging has crossed any legal lines.
      _ You are quoting, and bringing to our attention an article that was questioning whether Forrest’s digging had crossed legal lines. Why bring it to our attention? What WRONG do you see that Forrest may have done?

      “Twenty-two years ago, New Mexico accused him of disturbing graves on his pueblo, alleging “obvious human remains” that were “piled and scattered.” – Why bring up these allegations? again, to what end?

      Fenn got the complaint thrown out when he learned that the state had trespassed to collect its evidence. – By this statement, you are alleging that Forrest did something improper by getting the complaint thrown out. Why? What was improper? What difference does it make to me in my quest for the treasure? What difference does it make to you? Why did you feel compelled to bring this to our attention?

      “But to this day he doesn’t deny finding possible graves.”
      Does he have to? It was his archeological dig!

      “The key word [in the law] is ‘discover’,” Fenn says. “We’ve found bones that might have been human, but we didn’t ‘discover’ that they were, so we covered them up and moved someplace else.” [end quote]” – So? What is the problem? He did the respectful thing, he reburied them! You are implying that he did something immoral or illegal, Again, why? What are your motives?

      Besmirch? YES in capital letters! Please explain yourself sir. JDA

  21. JDA<
    The quote is the 'KEY WORD' . . . LOL

    Relax, my friend, we're on the same Team 😉

    • IMO,
      the point is Roll Tides ‘blanket’ can conveniently be ‘a cover’.
      And ff can be suggesting we must ‘uncover’ that Blanket .

      How this applies to the Final Solve and the the TC . . . I dunno ?!?

      • Please don’t get me started about the whole “blanket” affair. If I wanted to join onandonandonandonandon,
        I would.

        I almost swore off visiting the forum entirely —
        the one with the “blanket affair” — for the entire month of May, because of all the childishness and
        stupidity shown (not only in that thread).

        But even so, I might find something useful. So I’m likely to just lurk more and post less frequently.

        I used to think that some searchers (frequent posters) were “dangerous” regarding finding the TC soon, but have recently changed my mind about some of them. They’d rather bicker than solve and search, IMO.

        Good luck to you. Please stay safe.

    • Reading Blex’s post, and your last post, I can see where I MAY have misinterpreted your intent. I take offense at ANYONE who I think is taking “potshots” at Forrest, and, to me, that is what it appeared you were doing. Had you just posted something like, ” A few years ago, Forrest said, ““The key word [in the law] is ‘discover’,” your post would have had a completely different tone.

      I apologize if that is ALL that you meant to say. All of the “Intro” got in my way I guess. JDA

      • I think Quak is cool with it, JDA. I also understand your willingness to step up to anyone who decides to insult Forrest, and it’s good to jump on stuff like that when it pops up. It’s all good now and no worries! 🙂

        So now back to the point, I think it’s silly that “discover” would be the word, right? I mean, it’s not EVEN in the poem! 😉

        • Thanks Blex. P.S. My Word that is Key is not in the poem either,,,in a way. Confused yet? JDA

          • Ok yes; I’m intrigued, JDA!

            What I think the “key word” that Forrest is referring to is a plainly written (i.e.: not hidden) word within the poem itself. And I will freely admit that I’m being completely unoriginal here.

          • Several months ago I said that I think that the word that is key was “The Wood” – which of course is two words. I also said that one very obscure definition of “the wood” described a particular geographical location in Wyoming. Solve these two definitions of “the wood” and you will know my ONE word that is key.

            JDA

          • And there is some foreign language translation involved as well, correct?

          • Blex;
            English has always been like a foreign language to me, so I guess you are right. JDA

  22. So sorry, JDA:
    It’s obvious you are not aware that I have quoted (and linked) a site from a news organization.
    These are NOT my original thoughts and opinions.
    This is NOT my voice, as I am merely quoting.
    Denigration in NO WAY!

    How may help you access the original source that I have quoted beyond that I have provided?
    http://www.newsweek.com/forrest-fenn-wants-you-find-his-treasure-and-his-bones-64427

    http://www.newsweek.com/forrest-fenn-wants-you-find-his-treasure-and-his-bones-64427

    • I have apologized – I took it wrong. When you post something, whether you post a source or not, in my humble opinion, you are endorsing the stated opinion, unless you state otherwise.

      My question was of what value were the opening paragraphs?

      To me they gave no “substance” to the quote – ““The key word [in the law] is ‘discover’,” To you, the “Intro” provided “substance” of some sort. To me, it was a personal attack on Forrest.

      We all view the world through our own set of glasses I guess.

      Again I apologize, I just do not see the need for what I perceived as an attack of Forrest’s character. JDA

  23. PLEASE:
    Re-read the entire post.
    This has become silly (IMO)

    No ‘ATTACK’ intended (or suggested) . . . merely citing a quote that may be helpful?

    • And BTW:
      I am a business entity . . . and understand the WBM repercussions , JDA.

      FF, is most likely not ever going to suffer negativity from my posts . . . unlike those who suggest it’s a jerk starboard to the negative 😉

      Peace, Bro!

      • Discover –> Found?

        As in ” . . . found the blaze”.

        Just thinking out loud IMO

  24. Disc over is pretty good. I’ve had that in the back of my mind since the beginning. Not as a word that is key, just a note. Like the name of his typewriter. As far as the word that is key, I still see only two possibilities. It’s either the word “that” or the word “key”. If you replace those words with any word,(one, not both at the same time), then you would have to think the word is that word. Example: A word “lake” is key, or A word that is “lake”. The mistake is that so many put a definition on the word “key”. Meaning something on the lines of “essential”, instead of just reading the quote for what it’s saying. If you had no idea of what the definition of the word “key” was, then what would you think the word he is talking about would be. “key”. Since we know a lot of the definitions that “key” would have, then reading the quote would lead to having to add the word “that”. Either “that” or “key”. Also, is he talking about “searchers” being in tight focus, or, is he talking “clues” are in tight focus?

    • Searchers. (“only a few”, I think I remember him saying).

      FF, when his remarks are in writing, has plenty of time to
      edit, re-write, or otherwise craft a very careful set of words.
      I suggest y’all remember this. If you disregard this, your
      chance of solving the poem correctly is limited by your
      decision.

      That said, good luck to all searchers. Most luck is created
      by one’s own actions. Laziness is NOT the “key” to success in this hunt. And as they say in the world of drag racing, “Ya snooze, ya lose!”

      All my opinion.

  25. “Many have given serious thought to the clues IN THE POEM but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

    When taken in context he is talking about the ‘many people’ putting serious thought to the 9 clues in the POEM, and the ‘few people’ who are in tight focus with a word that is key (also there in the poem). I don’t see how that statement can be taken to mean a word that it is not in the poem.

    • Hi, Oz10. In this sentence, Forrest could be referring to only “the clues” as being “in the poem”, while the word that is key could possibly be outside the poem.

      I’m just playing devil’s advocate here. I agree with you that to me it seems obvious that the key word is a word in the poem, nevertheless the exact quote from Forrest is worded to be open to a different interpretation. Let people interpret and spend their time as they see fit.

      • Hey, no I don’t see it but it is just me. The more I read it the more it sounds like it is a word in the poem. Everything we need is there in the poem so it can’t be a word from the book our one made up.

        I’m not saying that as we decipher clues new words/concepts will appear, of course they do. But the word that is key he talks about is one specifically in the poem that opens up/unlocks a different take/understanding of the poem itself. imo

        • Let me shuffle the sentence around a little bit to illustrate what I’m saying:

          “Many have wondered about the candy in the bowl, but only a few know about the coins.”

          Now in this sentence, the prepositional phrase “in the bowl” definitely refers to the candy, but it does not necessarily refer to the coins. One could easily interpret this sentence as the coins are in the bowl along with the candy, but one could also interpret it as the coins being someplace else.

          If a second prepositional phrase was added to the sentence in direct relation to the coins, that would clear things up for a more solid interpretation:

          “Many have wondered about the candy in the bowl, but only a few know about the coins in the bowl.”

          or….

          “Many have wondered about the candy in the bowl, but only a few know about the coins in my sock.”

          Does that help you see how some people might be reading Forrest’s sentence, or am I just muddying the waters?

          You see the type of conversations we have here when we don’t get spoiled with another new post, dal? 😉

          • Blex, anything is possible with a little mental gymnastics. But what is the purpose on that example, to find out the contents of the bowl, or the flavor of the candy? lol…

      • People can spend their time anyway they like, and it seems they come here to chat about the chase…

        For conversational purpose… wouldn’t the word that is key have to be in the poem or within the text of the book only?

        I think the question falls to how the word helps or works. Is the word is helpful as a hint to understanding the poem… then the book might contain it. If the word actually is needed to be understood, to solve the clues… then shouldn’t it be in the poem itself.
        Another thought to the word might relate to a word not represented in either the poem or the book… it could be the understanding of what a phrase or line in the poem represents..such as, hint of riches new and old? Maybe the idea here is possibly related to “time” or a timeline as the word?

        Funny thing is… folks may have mentioned a word, that fenn knows as helpful, but those who mentioned it may not understood how it’s helpful or even realized they mentioned it… just like those who deciphered, indicated, told of the first two clues and didn’t know.

        Just how important is the “word that is key”? Can the clues be solved without it?

        • I think that the “word that is key” is a word in the poem that is absolutely vital to pay attention to in order to discover the correct clues and the treasure location.

          • When you say ~”discover the correct clues…”
            Are you talking about the clues themselves or what the clues refer to?

            Example; wwh is a clue… the clue refers to a waterfall.

            So with the example above, couldn’t waterfall be the word that is key?
            And not found in the poem, but is found in the book…

          • Seeker, I do not think that the key word is what a clue is referring to; rather a specific word within the poem. In your example above, “Warm”, “Water”, and “Halt” are all potential key words, but “waterfall” would not. That’s just my guess, so take it with a grain of salt.

            Like I said above, I don’t think we have enough information to completely rule out the idea that the key word is or is not included in the poem. We just have to go with what makes the most sense to us.

          • I whole heartily agree Blex, that the most likely place for the word that is key is within the poem… I to, keep the options open to possibilities.

            Such as fenn’s “contentment” might relate to a word in the poem such as warm, which by fenn’s definition means comfortable…

            Warm also can mean; close or maybe closeness… and not just a temperature or variation of temperatures.

            So could warm waters reflect something close or comfortable that fenn is content with? There are a lot of variations and word usages in just a single word… not add 166 words and you have a difficult job trying to read the poem straightforwards, with fenn’s intention, of how the poem should be read/interpret properly.

        • Seeker, think of riches new and old as the riches brothers. Find out all you can about them, first name first.
          Remember, there is a sky…
          scrapbook that which describes the viveash ranch and the quote cynthia paid note are also helpful…
          perhaps…
          almost forgot
          thank you D&G

        • Seeker,
          Just how important is the “word that is key”?

          For me right now it is the word ‘riches’ Fenn gave that word another meaning that when understood using the description on the 1st stanza, it should help us clarify the -begin it-.

          • For me, the word he is talking about is “key’. I find it in the 9th line. That key is ” forrest fenn”. It’s back-up info is from the book, “A little of me is also in the box”. Talking “key”. His name, to me, offers a date and a degree. That date and degree go with the 9th clue, which supports that key with a time and distance. That key, when added to everything else up to that point, gives me a shadow length. So, the importance of the key is vital to me. It’s not really in the poem, or the book, but hinted towards. kee being key. It’s the support info that confirms it. In the book, and solving the poem. All IMHO.

          • And, the clues and the key will give you the “Book of Days”. 29,220. From the poem stanzas.

    • I think you are making too many assumptions about what forrest means by what was quoted. Your explanation adds words that are not there. ‘Few’ could refer to clues or searchers. I opine that ‘nine clues’ does not translate to a quantity of clues. Forrest seems to not be so concerned with exact quantitative measures. He prefers words like: many, few, some, about, or so, around.
      I think nine clues means clues of nine in nature. Personality type 9 for example.

    • my tiny little bird brain has little room for error. to me he (FF) means there is a picture out there somewhere of the key word.

      opinion mine.

    • Blex & Oz10 & Seeker, as you know, I believe in a third possibility: that the “word that is key” is both in the poem but not a word in the poem. By way of example, Seeker has in the past suggested the word “Isa” (the reverse of the first 3 letters of the poem). While I don’t think this is the keyword (3 letters — even if they are the first three — doesn’t provide a lot of confidence to the searcher), it is an illustration of how a word could be “in” the poem without actually being a poem word.

      The trouble is, if you take this method to the extreme (e.g. anagramming) you can form any word you like (as long as that word doesn’t contain the letter X!) — and some searchers have no doubt done exactly that. If such a keyword is to be found this way, the method must be reasonably constrained and/or the word generated suspiciously relevant.

      • Zap,
        When you heading out below the Big Sky?
        I know you like the area as I.

        • Hi Jake — when work and Mother Nature allow. Both have been fickle lately. 😉

          • Jake, you rent vacation cabins when you go? I did last time I went and it was pretty good. Actually, better than hotels, and cheaper. Think I’ll “splurge” this next time and stay ay Georgetown lake. June-July.

          • Ya charlie,
            Last year my 2 trips I stayed at Cinnamon lodge in cabins right on the Gallatin River.

            Oh so nice & affordable.
            I will try to do the same this year sometime in July.

      • The other method used is to write out the poem on graph paper without breaks. the word ‘key’ appears going up and down. Make a note of the words that contain each of the letters, and see if they hint at something.

      • Just for the sake of fun, I wrote a quick program to compute how many words can be formed using only the letters in the first stanza – it returned over 16,000 results. Talk about a needle in a stack of needles 😉

        • Yep, imajin … thus the need for the method to be non-random. It’s like the John von Neumann quote about too many degrees of freedom: “With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk.”

      • Zaphod, to me it sounds like you kind of gave a legitimate counterargument to your own idea. When one starts busting up the words of the poem to the atomic level (i.e.: letters that can be switched around willy-nilly), it becomes too chaotic of a mess to rearrange into anything sensical without some sort of clear direction.

        That’s why I tend to again go with the Occam’s Razor approach to Forrest’s statement and guess that the “word that is key” is right there in the poem staring us all in the face. Add to this idea Forrest’s additional advice of “don’t mess with my poem”, and it seems complimentary to this Occam’s Razor approach. As Seeker pointed out, there are 166 words in the poem. That’s a good enough sized haystack to go on a needle-hunt in, isn’t it?

        • Hi Blex — I was just pointing out that some methods have too many degrees of freedom. Mine is much more constrained and I’m confident enough that it’s correct (because of significant redundancy) that I have no need to search anywhere else.

          Remember that it’s easy to overcomplicate the task of solving Forrest’s poem, but it’s also easy to oversimplify.

      • Zap,
        the problem is… ISA is not an anagram. The letters are not “rearranged” as anagrams are. Those three letter or simple a mirror image of the words in the poem.

        Maybe the poem is straightforwards but the clues references are backwards / mirror image. Might the hint of riches be opposite… that is what new is to old, right?

        Now lets take it a step further… Isa is two words from one line backwards, Yet, without reference to what Isa actually is we don’t know it might be a lake ~ ‘Isa lake'{as I } where warm waters might halt?

        So unless I’m wrong… an anagram rearranges the letters in a word, such as the dictionary example; Cinema to Iceman, and not so much as, dog to God.

        Personally, I’m not sure I like this method either… I just don’t see names being used to last 1000 years or more. But that’s just me.

        • Hi Seeker,
          I thought I would take a stab at your analysis – you raise a good point about anagrams – In regards to the “word that is key”, anagrams (IMO) do not play a part. However, you are starting to go down what I would consider to be a more productive path.

          You mention the word “rearrange” and this is why anagrams do not fit – you CANNOT alter the poem in any way…”Don’t mess with my poem.” Each word, each letter, was deliberately chosen by F. You are the master of quotes on this blog, so even you can agree with this one. Zap has explained that altering even one letter could potentially destroy a clue or more. I would agree with this.

          So let’s start thinking about this. If we cannot rearrange anything (ie anagrams) then what method would need to be used?

          Sometimes examples explain knowledge easiest regarding complicated concepts.

          Would you agree?

          • Is it messing with the poem?
            Just look at the poem in a mirror or read backwards { call that method what you will }… no letters were moved to see Isa or as in the poem “As I”
            Now ask yourself, why would fenn deliberately use the words ” As I have…” and later in the poem use “I’ve”
            Could it be for that reason…the need for Isa to be spelled backwards?

            The other thing is… in an anagram letters are normally move in order and changing the order creates another word completely different in spelling.

            So the simple suggestion is, does reading the poem backwards change anything? Or messes with the poem?

            Lets take another method where one may use the first letter of each word in a sentence or line and now creates a word from that [ or a place ] … that would be, in my mind, messing with the poem… you are taking letters from different words to create a new word.

            That last example seems more coded… I guess the question falls to… is reading the poem backwards and using the same letters in the same order a code?

          • imajin,
            Let me throw another quote out {in part }
            All the information to find the chest is in the poem…

            So if the clues { 9 clues} are in the poem, wouldn’t what they refer to also be in the poem… or is that for us to guess at?

            Seeing there are many wwwh in the RM’s…shouldn’t the poem tell us which one that clues refers to. {no matter what the clue actually refers to}

          • Hi Seeker: I see nothing wrong with reading the poem backwards or in a mirror if you like. Doing so doesn’t alter the presentation, but rather the interpretation. But your example does add a degree of freedom: allowing a new word to span word boundaries. Even so, I think you’ll find very few new words allowing for this variant, so if some “interesting” word were to emerge , you could weigh its relevance in the 4 states against the probability of some equally interesting word appearing randomly. An example from the first line is Neal: it’s not a poem word but can be formed from the end of “gone” and beginning of “alone”. It has more letters than Isa, does not need to be read backwards, and so you could argue it is stronger than Isa (even though it doesn’t seem too relevant to our search area).

            As more complex variants are permitted (e.g. skip counts, acrostics, vertical words in matrix form, etc.) the possibilities start to grow geometrically, such that whatever words you generate better be very “special” if they are to be given any significance. Each searcher’s has his or her notions about where to draw the line when traveling down this road. Some take it to the extreme of anagrams (though not as extreme as an actual cipher where the letters themselves are altered!); others aren’t comfortable reading anything other than the 166 words that appear in the poem. Each has his/her threshold for what they consider too much messing with the poem.

          • I would add that Venn said to read the open aloud. When you do so new words form from the sounds.

            For example if I read aloud waters halt I hear water salt.

            Just as in Zaps example you can get crazier here. Quest to cease becomes Qui esta seis.

            And on and on…

            Lugnutz

          • I hate the spell check on this new phone kb

            FENN said read the POEM aloud

          • Imajin: clearly Seeker (and everyone else?) missed the nice example you secreted in your 7:27 pm message last night. But your effort wasn’t wasted, and maybe Seeker will go back and take a second look. 😉

        • http://mysteriouswritings.com/featured-question-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase-treasure-hunt-walk-away/

          From this MW post, what stood out to me was FF’s phrase,
          ” . . . I go atomic”.

          Back to The Poem . . .
          First line being:
          “As I have gone alone in there . . . ”

          “…I go atomic”
          compared to
          “…I have gone alone…”

          Reversing (mirroring?) the word ‘alone’ results in ‘enola’.

          Happy coincidence, but was of interest IMO .

      • Zap, I still think that the context in the ‘word that is key’ comment points to a poem word. One word that doesn’t fit or fits to good, maybe it stands out but like I said before it is one that opens up something if you use a diff definition.

        You found a word not in the poem, that’s good, I can see how important it may be, but again not sure how ff comment will be understood that way.

        • It would be interesting to find out what the original few thought about a word that is key. Did they focus on a word this is or is not in the poem? I’m amazed that searchers don’t ask about this more often as its the only time that any searcher would know that they were one of the few if they forwarded their idea to f before he publicly posted his word that is key answer.

          • Mr Fenn said some people were in tight focus with a word that is key.
            I believe that there is a key word involved, but as usual Mr Fenn gives another hint here.
            Tight focus anagrams to Touch Gifts.
            Word that is key anagrams to They ski toward.
            Touch gifts they ski toward.
            Fits in well with the area Mr Fenn hid the chest.
            All IMHO.

  26. After I put together “Winter Thoughts” on this blog something kept coming back to me again and again, “LAYERS”, the first clue to me, that clue, you know, the one, of course that the “Little girl from India” may be able to get correct, not necessarily right, it has caused me a lot of searching deeply and I mean DEEPLY for some meaning, clarity…etc.

    I said that WWWH was a term, an expression, that the only place I ever heard it in my life (70 years) was in various State Game Proclamation’s, but that was my correct, not necessarily the RIGHT term, if it was correct, but not right what if there was a “next layer” for that term, in other words, a subliminal meaning? I don’t just mean definition, literally next layer.

    What would that little girl know? She may never know the State’s Game and Fish Proc but she would have geography, and where does wwwh you ask?

    32 Degrees, first layer is that point at which water freezes, the second layer is where on a map in the 4 States is 32 Degrees? Now I applied that same logic of layers to Canyon Down, and VOILA, a revelation in my thought, I could be correct and right if both were the same place, right? Correct?

    Everyone of us has wrestled with this thought, but not everyone see this from a local perspective, there may IMO a correct answers but it’s not right from f’s frame of ref, or point of view.

    Now if applied to “not far but too far to walk” what I thought was “ride the train”, but as an Archeologist will point out you discover the truth, the right answer by diggin deeper,analyze from HIS perspective which meaning is his truth?

    So if “f” said he felt like an Architect after creating the poem, and he actually is an “Archeologist” what would that look like? I guess I could go on forever with “Layers” but why all the reference lately to Trains, Bells and old and new art and old and new friends?

    What is that all about ? Where is he leading us and what conclusions should we take away in terms of GEOGRAPHY? Terrifically STUMPED as “in the wood” stumpped!

    Tom T

        • Pillar{s} is a geographical landscape / location / place that refers to Stumps.

          • Example: meaning and usage…
            When the cave wears through the headland, an arch forms. Further erosion causes the arch to collapse, leaving the pillar of hard rock standing away from the coast—the stack. Eventually, erosion will cause the stack to collapse, leaving a stump.

            While this talks more about the affects of waves… erosion over time has the same effect inland as well.

  27. Pillar is absolutely an Architect’s structure? So next?

    TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

  28. ferd=fred, flutterby=butterfly, knowledge=knowlege

    the person that doesn’t play with the words has no chance to solve the poem! none- IMO

      • I am firm believer in the anagram theory, i think also iron will is as well. Maybe iron would share a line from the poem. I would like to see his anagram forr the line, “the answers i already know”.

        • Hey John.
          The answers I already know anagrams to: Sneakers down the railway.
          Fits with my solve. What do you get?

  29. The key word could be:
    “Wise”
    Tight focus as an owl.

    Look quickly down when you see this bird.

    • i agree Oscar, with ‘wise’ possibly being the keyword. insomuch as finding the blaze shouldn’t require luck nor botg observation – just a simple dose of wisdom

      (which def eliminates my chances ..on all three counts 🙂 )

      • I will eat my hat curious hobbit if you can see the blaze from GE without putting BOTG.

        Wise may pertain to all the clues as you said but I think it’s all about the most important clue. The last one. The blaze as I see it.

        • Jake: prepare to eat your hat for the umpteenth time. 😉 IMO the blaze is totally visible from GE or any decent topo map.

          • Considering it is at the end of the clues I find it hard to believe that the blaze could recognizable from GE. There is a chance that it could be seen, depending on how large it is, but doubtful you would recognize it as the blaze. I found a pillar of rocks near a river that looked like the top of it is shaped like fire on GE. Could that be the blaze? Maybe, but I cannot see the rocks in enough detail to know that it does actually look like a flame.

          • Hi Aaron:

            “Considering it is at the end of the clues I find it hard to believe that the blaze could recognizable from GE.”

            I believe this is the biggest mistake that searchers make: thinking that the blaze is the last clue, or thinking that the blaze and the treasure chest are more or less co-located. Where has Forrest ever indicated such? People are making that assumption based on a preconceived notion of what they believe the blaze is or how it is being used. The words that should be going through searchers’ heads are: “nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.”

          • Zap,
            The latest podcast F states the poem is straightforward twice & there’s no Tom Foolery.

            It is logical to me the clues start where it says “Begin” & end where it states “cease”.

            It would be Tom Foolery if where he says “Begin” is not where you begin & where he says to “cease” after the blaze line, is not where you are done with the quest.

            Get back in the box.
            Straight forward (at least 4 times).
            It seems like the longer one thinks about the search the more they complicate the problem.

          • You obviously don’t pay attention zap.
            No one has found the chest, therefore I haven’t eaten my hat for the umpteenth time.

            I’m getting hungry though, but you guys can’t write a check than can be cashed even though you’re positive in mind only.

        • i’m just using fuzzy-logic Jake, i.e if wwwh is the hardest clue to solve, but LGFI can nail it from home, then surely ‘the blaze’ can be found with slightly more ease (?)

          [note to self; send Oscar umpteen dozen extra hats – just in case 🙂 ]

          • Save your money on the hats Bert.
            Buy some fried kiwifruit.
            Trips to the Rocky’s from there are not cheap but talk is.

        • I agree with Jake on this one, but just to be safe I have taken up the habit of wearing hats made out of chocolate-covered bacon. 😉

          • I like the bacon & chocolate separate please

            If F intended for the blaze to be seen with a computer program & have internet access, then why all the fuss about getting kids off the coach & away from technology?

            Bye bye…

          • Jake: knowing where and what the blaze is doesn’t necessarily give you insight into where the chest is located. “Look quickly down” can mean a lot of things, and the obvious answer isn’t always the right one.

          • Zap,
            I think the poem is straight forward & that means “Look quickly down” means just that & the blaze is right above the chest.

            How many times does F have to state the poem is straightforward until it gets through thick heads?

    • Wise is an obvious word to see as important.
      Brown being capped in a sentence is as well. I’m curious why there is not mush talk about the word home. I mean, if Brown is important, whether it is key or not, home seems just as important. Fenn could have said put in below the place of Brown or location of Brown or feature… yet he deliberately chose home.

      • I agree, Seeker. I’m very surprised that one doesn’t hear much about home in relation to Brown.

        In regards to the word that is key. I think it’s got something to do with solving a riddle. It’s something more than just picking an important word.

        • Just for fun, Fun
          Home;
          Habitation.
          origin.
          Source of.
          Cradle, support.
          At ease, at rest, interned.
          Native to.
          Just a few meanings and usages.

      • Seeker – although ‘home’ is def perplexing, it’s only conducive to HoB, just as WWWH is only local to ‘begin it where..’

        whereas ‘wise’ could be entirely relevant to the whole process of solving all nine clues in the poem (?)

        • Why is it only meant for Brown?
          Are we breaking down the clues too much to make them self reliant?
          I mean, if wise was thought of the same way… it should only be conductive to have “found” the blaze. Is the blaze a separate entity to the other clues?

        • Or maybe being wise could have to do with the understanding of what the first clue has in common with all the other clues? Or maybe being wise has something to do with this “big picture” which we can’t see?

        • Seeks – my (limited) thinking was; understanding HoB can only solve that one clue, or knowing WWWH can only solve that particular clue also
          – whereas ‘being wise’ may likely solve all nine

          ..or in Tim’s case, all twelve 🙂

          • WhatIF home is where wwwh and canyon “originate”-home from or “source of”-home?

            Supposedly we’re looking for one wwh out of many {it doesn’t matter what you think wwh is, there are still many}
            Could it be that hoB is the source, and down is below hoB, and that give a specific place to begin?
            Halt to be that downward or vertical drop from a horizontal flow… A temporary change in direction.

            *If you know where hoB is, why would you be concerned about wwh…
            It seems plausible that is how we distinguish the right wwh out of the many. Could it be that the poem is telling us we need to find hoB for the correct beginning of wwh? The source of-home. So we need not to be concern about wwh anymore if we have the correct hoB.

            Or, I guess we just could keep up throwing darts, and eventually hit the correct one.

            So why did those searcher pass all the remaining clues? Maybe they went looking for hoB as the third or fourth step.

            As I have gone alone in there… Home of Brown? to be where warms waters halt.

            Maybe this is why fenn placed hoB as a stand alone sentence as the beginning of, From hoB, it’ no place for the meek… working the poem around hoB and no place for the meek is wwh and canyon reside-home, {heavy loads and water high}
            Is this why we can “not get closer” then the first two clues? We might be where we need to be at.
            Seacrher told fenn where they were, told him the process of their solve… he knew the mentioned the correct first two clues… only they didn’t know it.

            Just analyzing the whatIF possibilities.
            An “important possibility”

          • *smiles*

            Eleven curious hobbit….let’s not lead others astray to much!!

            :o)

            You funny guy, I love you longer than most!

            :o)

          • Per Mr. F -Success is an omniscient guru. Using definitions of words – Omniscient guru = all wise sage.

            I wish I were wise and knew EXACTLY what he meant.

          • Tim – well, ok then ..eleven is entirely similar to nine i s’pose (apart from the spelling)

            and although i certainly love ya too, your last comment did suddenly inspire me to google ‘male chastity belts’ online
            ..just in case 🙂

          • I know that F doesn’t give much credence to punctuation however, under normal grammar rules it would seem like that since there is no comma after wise then being wise pertains to finding the blaze. So if it said “If you’ve been wise, and found the blaze,” then it would be more likely that wise could refer to more of the poem.

      • Nouns versus adjectives and prepositions are surely a key to understand.

        • I agree.. IMO, Mr. F’s use of the word solve rather than solution is a hint. He uses solve as a noun when the proper use of the word is as a verb.

      • Seeker, your thinking is spot on IMO.
        I am trying to move closer and closer to the TC the same way as your logic above when you said “home seems just as important” (as Brown), and where is f’s home? Is it Brown you ask? Don’t laugh, when you read this it might make sense.

        I like your comment so I took it a step further, first take the word in stanza 1, line 2; “Bold” earlier I had discussed with you about 32 degrees, as in latitude, which is in New Mexico near the border of old Mexico, I mentioned that the Rio Grande is known in Old Mexico as “El Rio Bravo”, imagine, for grins, it’s a hint ref. “Bold”, a synonym of Bravo, so not only the rymes of his poem are cleverly constructed, at the end of every other line, but what a feat if his poem includes a geographical reference one or two lines away as well? Voila! Hint…New and Old as in the latitude and border of New and Old Mexico at 32 degrees lat. so not just a rhyme, literally another layer of meaning, reference to temp, AKA (ice) where? WWWH on the River Bold, Rio Grande, only (canyon) river down, south from The Rockies, so we IMO have a pattern emerging using layers perhaps?

        ff said it took him 15 or so years to write and re write the poem, and in consideration of hints and clues, the legend or key I have always felt was understanding the difference between clues and hints.

        In an earlier conversation with you, you stated that Pillars, was an Architectural form and I see pattern repeating throughout, so not only do his poems have rhyms, the hints two (or so) lines above which frame in the space between the Pillars, making these columns support the structure of the 9 clues in a repeating pattern; hints then clues.

        Bold and old, they ryhme, but much more SUBLIME, one is a hint and perhaps the other is a clue, as each rhyme is heard, their is a layer of a deeper meaning, at some level we are all feeling for that subterfuged idea that a sublime message we all suspect or know is there, but you must be WISE to locate it geographically, wise as in “a knowledge of Geography helps” so when the whole poem is solved, we will all say; why did’nt I think of that!

        Imagine If that first clue, or was it a hint, was New and Old (Mexico) then Bold is the hint to both WWWH and canyon (River) down.

        I highly suspect several thinkers on this Chase might be visualizing, imanining and creating images to form their opinion, in answer to my q above; but what color is his home?

        Is there a possible repeating pattern here in poetic structure, or is that thought too obscure? As each clue moves one closer to the TC, each hint confirms the next clue…??? If true, what a masterpiece this poem is.

        Tom Terrific, as always, enthuastic

      • Seeker, (imo)
        Because, that is where something exists in nature, not common, and pertains to F’s definition of “Brown”.
        Could it be a natural mimic of Eric’s book on “Brown”? Something that contains the colors that makes
        brown?
        I don’t feel it’s an actual “home” like some people have looked for, with a roof, door and walls… (cough–Dal).
        That’s F’s joker thrown in there to detour searchers that just “don’t got it”.
        I’m not saying I do, but my imagination is a lot broader than most of the “Browns” I’ve read about on the blogs!
        Try Websters first actual dictionary, found in a library. There are some pretty amazing definitions for “brown”. I know F said he uses the computer for his definitions, BUT, he didn’t say he used it for EVERY WORD in the poem. He’s old school…example…”tarry scant” is VERY old school, sorry F. So the definition from “Brown” could be from the horse and buggy days, or trapper days! That’s why you need to be “wise”. Knowing where to look for your research. I also don’t think it’s Browns Canyon or a named feature. The spelling and punctuation in the poem are of F’s rules, so he can capitalize Brown if he wants to. It is the spot you park at, and begin your botg, we all know that. If we knew what Brown was, we’d walk right to the treasure. By picking a natural feature actually called Brown is just too easy, it has to go in conjunction with the canyon.

        Jake and CH…
        F also says imagination is the key…so to be tight focused on your imagination more than knowledge, but some knowledge is still helpful, like geography, consulting a good map and or Google earth, is the key to solving it. I don’t feel there is ANY one word inside the poem that is a key word, that’s not how F said it…”a word that is key”.

        John Edo…
        No anagrams per F. Use those brain cells figuring out WWWH!

        When this land is explored, what is left for us to be amazed by, to dream about, to wish upon? The heavens. The final frontier, it amazes you, surprises you, deserves respect and defiantly reverance. F said the treasure location will encompass all these things. We see evidence of his respect and awe of the heavens (not religiously) in his books. F didn’t make it into the aerospace program, lacking one criteria…a technical degree. But he did get as close as he could, by soaring the skies like an eagle. So, are stars/space involved in the solve? Could be. Can’t say “no”, til it’s found. One idea is as good as another!

        Sorry so long. I hoped it put a flicker of an idea in someone’s head. No, F, I don’t like shopping in Walmart, so I’ll shut up. Who knows, this may be a bunch of babbling whispers that everyone will skim over and flush in the throne. I’d like to think not, we are all valuable in this chase, and…I just MIGHT be right! 🙂
        ¥Peace ¥
        Disclaimer: All ideas and subject matter is entirely my own opinion, or those of my dogs, she gets in my head sometimes.
        P.S.
        My ideas on the blaze visible on GE…? It’s possible, if it isn’t as small as the treasure, which F said CAN’T be seen on GE, I doesn’t go down far enough. Even tho you’d probably see the treasure if within 12 feet of it, doesn’t mean the blaze is 12ft tall…OR DOES IT?!

        • Bravo Donna M, for sayin’ it like it is 🙂

          and you’re absolutely correct i reckon, about Jake being obviously devoid of any sense of imagination whatsoever ( …but shhh!! 🙂 )

          and ya also right about Dals ‘mysterious cough’ btw..
          (apparently he caught a nasty flu whilst frantically clinging to a (mostly) submerged ships-mast, somewhere upon the high-seas of Plat[CENSORED!!]

          [ ..and it wasn’t a ‘flu’ fyi hobbit!!]

          [ …i just accidentally swallowed a sand-fly ’twas all …jeeeeeez!! 🙁 ]

        • Donna—

          >>>John Edo…
          No anagrams per F. Use those brain cells figuring out WWWH! <<<

          This is not a true statement. Please re-read what Forrest lists as useless in the chase, and anagrams are not in that list.

          • Spoon: anagramming is definitely transposition, and of the worst kind because it is generally irregular.

          • Thanks Sparrow! Flutterby=butterfly from Forrest looks like anagram to me! Finding the correct anagram for each line has numerous possiblities, but they can be narrowed down with logic by getting rid of words that don’t make sense, and then continuing from there. I think i have a pretty good solve based on anagrams, and feel that the poem would have taken a long time to perfect using lines as anagrams. And if I fail but advance the chase by ruling out 1 explored possiblity, then I’ve done my job; just like the rest who come here to share ideas and solves.

          • I thought butterfly=flutterby because b=fl. The only 9 letter word from butterfly is butterfly. Unless you make it into two words, you then could have your flutter by. He writes it as one word though, so flutterby is not an anagram of butterfly. So, b must equal fl.
            The only way you can make flutterby an anagram of butterfly is if you were solving the whole poem as a child would. Using a childs slang, THEN, I could see butterfly=flutterby. I would then think more words would be misspelled, and would have a hard time trying to figure out the anagram for “i” . Hard to see architects using many anagrams, but I guess could be possible. Tough to make a cake, for sure.

        • Donna, I think you are right that Brown is likely not the actual name of a canyon or other natural feature. I’m willing to bet that areas with those names have been searched a lot. I believe I heard it stated somewhere in the blog but couldn’t Brown refer the TC itself? If you google “color of bronze” you see wikipedia refers to it as metallic brown. If you drive TFTW to the location below HOB or home of the TC, you start walking toward the HOB or home of TC. F said that if you knew the HOB then you would walk right to the TC yet there are apparently a few clues after the HOB line. If TC and HOB are not one in the same then based on F’s statement the clues following HOB are so easy you would walk right to the chest. I know he said they get easier but that easy?

        • Donna, you and I seem to suffer from the same type of writer’s problem, that condition is called “Comedic Rare Affect (PseudoBulbar disorder) with overtones of fantasy and intense impulsive reactions and outbursts of overstated beliefs in our own solutions.”

          The acronym for this is better know as “CRAZY THINKING”. Well I am sorry for that outburst of pseudo psychiatric gibberish but trying to overthink the poem does this to a body.

          TT

          PS When I stated above about thinkers I admire, you are one of em. Liked your line of reasoned thought, Kudos!

          • Goofy, we all suspect you are the wizard behind the curtain, If I knew how to use that Freemason’s code it might help on the “I feelt like an Architect” angle, but then I would get lost in the angle of repose? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_of_repose
            Which begs the question how how can I, or you stack it before this whole conversation slumps into a pile of sh–
            ask Donna for the answer, she has a vivid imagination….

            Tom T

    • Jake, I think “wise” is an important word that most folks are
      not correctly interpreting here, as far as FF’s intention.

      I don’t think “owl” relates in any way, shape, or form.

      Good luck in your solving and searching.

  30. Draw lines thru the I’s in the poem. (With it center aligned, very important) You get two parallel lines which is the beginning or part of transforming the poem into a map i think. An architect would have done this by design. Unless it is, what us architects refer to as a fortunate coincidence. It is when aspects of the design mesh together without having been deliberately placed.
    I recently believe that the line ‘the end is drawing nigh’ is more literal than figurative.
    Ive drawn all over many copies of the poem.
    I think the wise play a major role in the poems mutation into a map.
    I mean the Ys.
    maybe…

    • But isn’t this dependent on what font size and type that the text of the poem distributed on? And if so, wouldn’t this require searchers to purchase “Too Far To Walk” in order to get everything precise as possible so that lines converge exactly correctly? Sorry, I’m not buying it (the hypothesis, not necessarily the book).

    • Your test works fine & the link you provided is good as well.
      But the link on the searchers discussions goes to the last closed key word page.
      Doesn’t matter, where here.

      The wise old owl knows what the blaze looks like.

      • Jake, if you said a turtle, I’d believe you. The turtle image has been used as a a glyph for treasure by more than the Spanish.
        A glyph with the head off means treasure is here…
        With no legs means end of trail…
        You get the point.
        So, aren’t turtles wise? They live for decades.
        Dolphins have their own language, and elephants never forget! I’d say they are wise, too.
        I know commercials depict an owl in a scholar cap, debating how many licks it takes…but I just can’t wrap my head around being like an owl or owl blaze, certainly not an elephant blaze!
        Imo, wise is used here, for something else than what you have to be to figure this all out. Wise means to be knowledgeable…
        Imagination 90% Knowlege 10%
        So maybe being a sophomore is as wise as you need to be!
        I’ll ask a kid!
        (IMO)
        P.S. Love your anologies, Jake!

        • The turtle was in tight focus when hocus pocus after 60+ quick trips never crossed the finish line 1st.

          The owl is in tight focus for it’s next meal.

        • “Crazy thinking”, hum…that involves a “wild imagination”. My mom always insisted that my wild imagination was in over-drive, and often got me in trouble with the whoppers I tried to use to get me out of trouble as a child. After all, aliens never stole my lunch box, I left it in the playground, but it sounded like a grand tale, non-the-less, and I stuck by it. Imagination also helped while working at the police dept. Imagining the next step of a criminal is most rewarding! Especially if caught!
          So, I embrace my wild, delirious ramblings, they’ve often rewarded me handsomely.

          Seeing the HOB as the home of the treasure is exactly right. But you have to have a tangible location for the HOB or you will go right passed it, not realizing the importance of where you are at. F mentioned that thought before, making me realize that to understand the HOB, you had to imagine what grand destination is worthy to house this treasure. What would represent the whole basis for the chase. A place that will be memorialized and visited by all the kids and families of the future that have treasure dreams twinkling in their eyes, a chance to visit the sight, where a man with no limits to the out reaches of the imaginitive desires to explore a world right at our dooestep, dared to go and do. “I want to be just like Forrester Fenn when I grow up!” could be a familiar wish on every child’s lips after the treasure is found.
          So, in MY wildly imaginated (is that a word, F?) opinion, the HOB is the magical doorway to an amazing turn of events for the one chaser that dared to grab all the bananas. F gives that person a hand-up to make a difference in the lives of anyone who ever dared to dream.
          Yes, the HOB will be a glorious door to opportunity. Why else would we need a key? To open a door. The door to the treasure, which is located in the HOB.

          The blaze constitutes not only the final clue to discovering the treasure, it is wisely trodden path taken to get TO the treasure. You would have found the blaze (route) needed to get to Indulgence, where the tip of the clue points to the reward, the sparkling gem, that fuels this Chase. That is your claim to wisdom.

          Yes, in the end, we won’t be sitting on a precipice of normalcy, (an obtrusive mountainside or unknown, lonely outcrop) but a place of grandeur that F wants to share with us, saying “Look! This is a place worthy of my last breath!”

          The dreams and often scoffed at ideas “of a fool”, have led man to discoveries that would have been over looked… the Pacific Ocean, the North Pole, the Amazon River, the bowels of the Pyramids, the Moon! What target object now propels those dreams of this modern world? What Frontier that lives harmoniously with nature, leads us into new frontiers? It’s a wild imagination that will win this Chase.
          Be safe. Dare to dream!
          ¥Peace ¥

        • Yup DelaYah.
          Look quickly down about a million times in the area of the football field.
          That’s one of the reasons I don’t like a trail to be the blaze as I had thought a year and a half ago.

          • This message is a response to Tim
            (zosorocks1). I saw no “reply” button
            right under his message.

            In case you ever wondered, “about
            50-100 miles” IS at least a mile.

            The above is my opinion.

        • Then the search area would be pretty big.

          I don’t believe the blaze is that big. I think it’s
          about 60 feet from one end to the other, pretty
          much in a horizontal direction. And I firmly
          believe it can be located/seen by using GE.

          The above is my opinion. Yours may differ.

      • He sure does Jake. He needs to stop playing cards with the jester though, that blaze is “deceptive”. Reminds me when I was in Arizona for a time. So hot, birds wings were on fire. They liked to hang around this old Westchester apple tree. They would rest for awhile then resurrect themselves from their laziness and fly again. Was so hot though, trees were scarce. You find one then would not want to look any further. I think that was back in ’97, ahhh, the good ol’ days…

  31. I believe the key word is Bold, or is it Bowled ? ” Here me and listen well.” IMO the chest is sitting in a depression in the ground where FF can look down on the chest from his final resting place. And yes it is in close proximity to Indulgence. IMO

  32. Unfortunately it seems the key word is tired.

    Thank you for the fun in the forrest.

  33. IMO, where the word that is key is placed in the poem is just as important as the word itself. It gives us the clue to locate FF’s special spot. “Hear me now and listen good.”

  34. I agree with Blex who wrote:
    ‘I think that the “word that is key” is a word in the poem that is absolutely vital to pay attention to in order to discover the correct clues and the treasure location.’
    While there are 318 replies so far on this post (not counting archives), there are only 18 clear responses to Fenn’s statement:

    blaze, bold, brown, cold. down, home, I, listen, nigh, old, riches, that, there, tired, title, treasures, wise, wood.
    (sorry if I missed any, and I’m still undecided on my key word.)

    -Randawg.

    • I deciphered the meaning from F’s statement to mean…
      A lot of people are thinking through the poem, but only a few are using their imagination to think.
      I don’t feel there is ANY one “key” word inside the poem, it’s the imagination that unlocks the key to the poem!
      Each clue is a geographical place, WWWH is a REAL PLACE, your imagination will find the magical start.

    • Good Evening, Randawg!

      Thanks for the props! 🙂

      It’s been difficult to post lately due to high internet traffic (which is totally out of Dal’s control), but it looks like it’s better tonight. I wanted to mention my opinion on “word that is key” more specifically tonight, because I think it might help searchers stay (slightly more) safe.

      I believe that the word that is key is “halt”, as in “where warm waters halt”. This is not a unique opinion, because I have read other commenters on this site state this same opinion. (I know Zaphod was one, but there were a few others that I apologize I cannot remember specifically.) I neglected to voice my agreement because I was trying to keep my cards closer to my vest. I’ve gotten my chance to check out my prime solve area last weekend, and though I still have some areas to search, I feel that I may have gone a bit astray myself and need some time “back at the drawing table”.

      I think that a lot of searchers have publicly posted partial solves related to the location of one flowing body of water flowing into another as the fixed location of WWWH, and that Forrest noticed this as a fairly common misstep (IMO).

      He has gone on to clarify that WWWH is not at a dam. Where else can waters halt except at their source? In my opinion, I firmly believe that WWWH is at the source of a flowing body of water. I mean, it makes sense that it’s at a flowing body of water because afterwards we are immediately “taking a canyon down”, right?

      This is just my opinion and a guess at Forrest’s intention, but wouldn’t you agree that if the “word that is key” is “halt” it could potentially save a lot of bother searching in the wrong direction? Wouldn’t you also agree that searching near water sources instead of confluences would eliminate a LOT of potential drowning hazards in the future?

      Anyways, that’s my honest take on what I believe to be the “word that is key”. There are so many other words in the poem, so I could very likely be wrong, but I wanted to share my opinion in case it helps anyone else find the treasure or at least stay safer.

      • Blex: afraid you’ve confused me with someone else. I’ve never said “halt” was Forrest’s word that is key, and I certainly never would. As far as I’m concerned the “key word” is not one of the poem words.

      • No problem Blex.
        I don’t recall FF saying that “one flowing body of water flowing into another as the fixed location of WWWH is a fairly common misstep”(?) but I do think that people searching in or around water should invest in a life jacket.
        Do you feel that your “key word” narrows down the search location?

        -Randawg.

        • Nah, I’m pretty sure Forrest never said anything like that directly. Like I said, it’s just guesswork on my part so all very much IMO. But yes, thinking in this direction will narrow down one’s search area.

      • Although “halt” is a very important word (and way too
        many folks don’t know what “halt” means, because
        they are not willing to look it up in a dictionary), it’s
        not the “word that is key” that FF was talking about.
        The context of his mention of this makes it clear to
        me that “halt” is not the word. I will be willing to
        explain this in detail about the end of summer 2017.

        All IMO.

    • randawg, I think the “word that is key” is in your list. But that
      word only helps regarding one clue (vital to a correct solve).

    • Randawg, The word that is key will be the beginning and the end. It is so powerful that anyone deciphering the “key” word will know exactly where to search. I believe I have found that word that represents the location of Indulgence. IMO

    • The “word that is key” is important in SOLVING the poem,
      not CONFIRMING anything after solving. IMO.

  35. … was in a video and confirms your location at the end of the poems clues that lead you to the spot.

      • Ecstasy;

        The only quote that I am aware of relating to the “Word that is Key” is this one: “”It is interesting to know that a great number of people are out there searching. Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key. The treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated.” f

        Hope this helps – JDA

  36. “…only a few are in tight focus on a word that is key.” f

    The word is “key”. Fenn said so.

    If “key” is not in “tight focus” then it’s not the right key. How do you get it in tight focus? With a magnifying glass. So the word “key” must be inside a magnifying glass. Also, to best see the key in the magnifying glass you must zoom in on GE, or again, get in tight focus on the key.

    • John, I think you have misquoted FF. I believe he said
      “in tight focus WITH a word that is key.

      This makes a big difference. The devil is in the details,
      and sloppy work won’t lead to a correct solve. IMO

      • Tighterfocus –

        I would love to hear some day in the future how With a word instead of ON a word made the difference in your discovery of the treasure!

        For folks reading this the treasure has not been discovered to the best of my knowledge.

        Lugnutz

  37. Also, recently, GE “updated” their maps imagery and it’s more blurry now and one is not as easily able to distinguish a feature that is “key”. 🙂

    • DelaYah, you can scroll through earlier views of the same
      scene, using GE. Generally, they get better through the
      years, but not always. Good luck. All IMO.

  38. IMO, word that is key is “waters”. Usually “water” is spelled
    singularly, “waters” has a definite meaning and is necessary
    to decode to know where to start or else you might as well
    stay home and play Canasta.

    The second key word, imo, is “wood”. We all know now
    that the chest is in the wood (not in the water) so that’s
    not so mysterious now. The mystery is WHICH wood.

    Rhetorical example of where water can halt is a sink, as
    in Humboldt Sink in Nevada. However, a sink is not part
    of my solution, fwiw.

    • Canada means basket in spanish, so any of the rules of the game mean anything? Maybe we should started a Canasta club 7 years ago lol

    • Hi D. Crockett –

      I think you would be better served by telling us what you mean. I say this to everybody.

      Do you mean that WATERS is used to describe medicinal waters and/or the waters that emanate from a hot spring? If so just say that. Your solve cannot hinge on that since anyone can look that up. Now if you say what you mean a good conversation could begin and help YOU with YOUR solve.

      When I was a kid I called jeans that didn’t reach my shoes FLOODS. My father called them FLOODERS. My grandfather called them HIGH WATERS.

      Are you aware there is a Wood River? If you are in Kirwin Wyoming you may be standing in the Wood.

      Lugnutz

      • Back atcha, Lugnutz,

        I like your handle, which reminds me of a story.
        A guy was driving a small Toyota sedan and had
        a flat tire along side a mental institution. He pulled
        over to the curb to change the tire. Some inmates
        gathered inside the fence to watch and started
        yelling at and teasing the driver. He got flustered
        and after removing the flat he accidentally kicked
        the four lug nuts right into the nearby storm drain.
        He could not now mount the spare tire.

        One of the inmates called out to him, “Hey mister,
        why don’t you take one lug nut off each of the
        other three wheels and use them to mount the
        spare tire?”

        The driver seized upon the suggestion. When
        done, he said to the inmate, “That was a
        brilliant solution! How come you’re in there?”

        The inmate replied, “Just because I’m crazy
        doesn’t mean I’m stupid.”

        Maybe I’m crazy but I thought that “IMO” means
        “in my opinion”. I said ‘ “waters” has a definite
        meaning’. Only FF knows for sure what that
        meaning is. I can have a guess as well as
        anyone else what that meaning might be. I do
        not know; perhaps it is hot springs. Only solving
        the puzzle will tell.

        So my “solve cannot hinge on that since anyone
        can look that up.” Seriously? That seems a
        bit presumptuous to me. What happened to
        (paraphrasing here) ‘don’t overthink the poem”
        and “have a child read it”?

        I am not concerned about “standing in the Wood.”
        Where did FF use capital W Wood proper noun?
        Is “Wood” really the same as “wood” to you?
        Would “home of Brown” therefore be the same
        as “home of brown” to you?

        I don’t know how much help I will need with my
        solve, but thank you. For instance, I have pictures
        of a “home of Brown” that fits perfectly in the
        string of clues. Do you? (from BOTG)

        Again, thank you for your concern about my
        attempts to solve the puzzle. May the best
        person win!

        • D Crock –

          I have at least 50 homes of Brown and >I share my info openly.

          Lots of people come here and dont tell us where they are kooking. Lots have tod us ovet the years. Im suggesting that I can tell you all about your special place that many people have been there.

          I can save you lots of time.

          Or yiu know feel free to think you are seeing a HoB we havent ever considered.

          Lugnutz

      • Lugnutz- Kirwin is also a place where mining has been done aka riches old? Another thing pointing to Kirwin is “put in” which can be a term for claim. Brown basin and Brown mountain just north west of Kirwin. Now all we need to do is force everything else fit so we can claim we know where the treasure is!

  39. The keyword in deciphering the hieroglyphics on the Rosetta Stone was the cartouche of Cleopatra. … as written/spelled in the 3 different languages. Are there 3 languages of the hunt?…. perhaps the book, the poem, and your imagination? Or maybe 3 uses of a word in the poem? Or possibly a constant within the 3 time periods of TTOTC memoir? Just a thought.

    • OS2 – do you mean the Rosetta ‘key’ was deciphered due to our knowledge of ancient Sumerian & Hebrew languages?

      ..as i’m pretty sure Cleopatra would’ve fainted, re: her knowing what we now know about her torrid affair with that M.Antony rascal – tsk tsk 🙁

      maybe that’s why she made ‘hieroglyphics’ so darn elusive?
      ( ..sorta like our modern media News channels 🙂 )

      • yes & no CH. Knowledge of the 2 informed the 3rd. The big surprise was that the little symbols in the oval were …. now listen good… phonics.

  40. IMO, the magic word is “Brown”. FF has said that people have solved the 1st two clues of the poem… then passed right by the 3rd clue (HOB). Curious that the word Brown is capitalized…

    • My opinion is you are closer than people who say blaze or any word toward the end clues since he has stressed go to the first clue so many times. I can point to different words but I would think the word that needs focus is in the first two stanzas which narrows it down for me, and can probably come up with something for any of the words if I needed to. For instance the word walk. Am I the one walking, is it an 80 year old FF walking, is it a 20 year old FF walking, am I trying to move something that is to heavy to carry? A large fridge is to heavy for me to carry but I can walk it, probably not far in the Rockies though.

      • Hi Chris….hope you are having fun!!

        IMO – there is one key word that will unlock the poem, but I have also found that as you progress through the clues, which “begin” at WWH….the seeker is able to unlock the other clyes that follow…one at a time.

        Those, like me maybe, may have already solved the clues up and until the “blaze”, thus, the blaze becomes a key word for them at that particular time….well, in a sense.

        You will find many reasons why people jump around, because it hopefully will lead their earlier clue to where they jumped….who knows, huh?

        Anyhow…just giving yet another opinion.

        Good luck.

  41. Evening all! Well, at least where I am (Florida), it’s evening.
    Been off for a while taking a break from the “solve”. I recently went back to studying the “Chase” again a few weeks ago. Anyhow, hello to all, nice to be back.
    I’ve given a lot of thought to the word that is “key”. So many choices within the structure of the poem and so many good reasons as evident by searchers here on this blog. Brown, nigh, blaze, etc.
    Has anyone given consideration to the word “bold”. My reasoning behind this is, FF knew where he was going, he is an outdoorsman and would be immensely comfortable in any outdoor environment and, as the poem states, was alone. So why “bold”? It’s bold if there is danger right? FF has said the treasure is not in dangerous place. It’s bold if others see an act of bravado (i.e. the young man walked boldly up to head cheerleader to ask her out on a date, in plain sight of his friends), this would be bold correct?
    So again I wonder, why “bold”?
    I was for some time in Jake’s camp with “nigh”, not that I’m ruling that out either, I just have been fixated on “bold” over the last few weeks. It’s the only word that seems out of place to me in the context of the poem. It’s not bold to go by yourself to a place you know that is not a dangerous place. “Brown” is great, I thought that also, but I believe (IMHO) we have to figure what state and where wwh before Brown makes sense (Molly Brown, Brown’s Canyon, Prospector Joe Brown, Barnum Brown, etc, etc.) But “bold” stands out to me.
    Is it a public place? It would be bold if there was a risk of being caught. If others might stumble upon you, that would be pretty bold. A National Monument? A Park? If anyone thinks I’m nuts here, no worries, you’re likely correct. Just a few of my many thoughts and ramblings for discussion.

    The Sleepy Hollow Bard

    • Hi Sleepy,

      Though I suspect most don’t give a hoot what I think, I don’t agree “bold” is THE key word. BUT I do agree with the rest of your thesis that it is located in a relatively public place.

      Pinatubocharlie

    • Hi, SleepyHollowBard. I haven’t heard a lot of discussion about the word “bold” so far, but who knows? It might be the word that is key.

      What do you think that the word “bold” refers to in the poem? I always assumed that bold was being used to describe the treasure, but I suppose it could also be describing Forrest himself now that I look at it again. Either way, I think it’s pretty clear that bold is not being used in the poem to describe the searchers; “brave” is the word for that.

      • Hi Sleepy and Blex, IMO “bold” could easily be replaced by “bowled” as in a bowl or depression. Maybe Indulgence is setting in a spot that would be considered a geological bowl.

      • Thanks for the input Blex and Pinat, I’m of the opinion that bold is referring to FF’s actions. As the poem states, (para) “he went alone in there and with his treasures bold”. I just found it interesting that he used the word bold to describe his actions. When I look at the poem in just a literal context and without any predetermined solve in mind, the use of bold would mean there was some risk associated with the action. As we all know, FF has stated that the treasure is not in a dangerous place. He (FF) also knew where he was going to place the chest. So what then would be bold about it? Where’s the risk? Anyway, I just found it interesting.

        • You might be correct there, SHB. We know that the chest is not hidden in very close proximity to a human trail, so perhaps the boldness is in striking off-trail into the woods?

          “No place for the meek” comes in the poem immediately after we “put in below the home of Brown”. Could this mean we should head off-trail into the woods after our put-in? This idea has made sense to me.

          • Hi, Lisa! There certainly seem to be a lot of “found objects” included inside the treasure chest. I’m looking forward to the time when the chest itself becomes a found object! 😉

    • Perhaps he is describing himself as going into this place alone and for some reason it he boldly goes in with the treasure.
      Or you can read it as the treasure is bold. Treasure bold. B old maybe. Sure b old

      • Mama,
        I concur, it certainly could be nothing more than an adjective used to say it was pretty “bold” to go hide a treasure. For me, it doesn’t fit that way though. FF took years from when he came up with the idea to when he actually hid the chest and made the search public. It was planned out in great detail and with great effort before he actually did it. So again, I go back to where is the bold action in doing this? The only thing I can come up with that makes sense to me is that bold possibly refers to the location where he hid the chest and that it is in a place, somewhat off the beaten path but not isolated. I think the bold refers to the fact that people do know of and visit this place and the risk was in possibly getting caught in the act of hiding the chest. Anyway, as always, these are just my thoughts and ramblings, appreciate your input!
        TheSleepyHollowBard

    • Bold could be the word. Bold could also be the act of taking half the treasure and leaving half to come back for, or just having that amount of gold etc in his possession without anyone with him. Or maybe he just means his treasures he left be old.

  42. Has anyone thought of the key word being “halt”. It is the only word that has a German origin, and that the trout he likes most are the German Brown Trout. Coincidental.

      • Thanks. To follow on, the only time FF mentions German Brown Trout is in the story about Grebe Lake fishing – also a German origin. I’m not sure if its coincidental or a hint.

        • Halt and walk both stand out for me as being the only two words ending a line which do not rhyme.

    • I believe that the word “halt” is the “word that is key” as well, Jeff C.

      Even if it is not, I think that the “word that is key” that Forrest referred to is a word that actually shows up in the poem itself. The context of the full quote clearly indicates this to me, in my opinion.

      • Yes, absolutely. Blix, I agree that the key word is in the poem. From research, German brown trout were brought in from Germany and stocked Grebe Lake and many others. this trout is the best “fighting ” fish, grows the biggest and can withstand the highest(warmest) water temperatures.
        As I’ve said HALT is the only German word used in the poem and I think its not coincidental.

    • Jeff C wrote – ““halt”. . . . is the only word that has a German origin . . . ”

      I’m not sure how you reached that conclusion, Jeff. There are many other words in the poem with German roots.

      . . . Unless you have some specific linguistic distinction in mind?

      Kos

  43. Tight focus w/word that is key = BLAZE…find the BLAZE, look quickly down your quest to cease. To find the blaze…you must solve WWWH & HOB. Just my thinking out loud. “HAPPINESS IS NOT TO HAVE ARRIVED, BUT TO HAVE TRAVELED HAPPILY “-ancient chinese-

  44. I think if a person teaches him- or herself how to make great anagrams from each line of the poem, that person can find the key word.

    Somebody has known the key word for a long time now and I doubt that person was guessing.

    • Hi Muset.

      If you think about what FF has said about the “key word”, it would unlock the poem.

      I have one that did. Is it right? I don’t know.

      I don’t have the chest yet, but then again, I haven’t fully searched the region it plays reference to.

      Good luck to you.

  45. I have a possible word that would greatly reduce places WWWH, which is where most need help. The word the is the word. Second line second stanza…”And take in the canyon down,” How did you read “the” in your head? Pronounce it “thee” if the next word starts with a vowel sound. Pronounce it “thuh” if the next word starts with a consonant sound. So in that line “the” may be pronounced as thee because the canyon WWWH starts with a vowel sound.

  46. I think the word that is key, is butt… it appears twice in the poem, and explained the semi colon, putting two ends together would seperate the two beginnings betweeen the two butts, so it would go beginning-end, butt, end-beginning; beginning-end butt end beginnig

    • thats a good thought april i like the thought even better with a pic in the totc book of a boy picking at his pocket or your word is close to where i planed to travel down a road arounnd

    • Apryl,

      Just for clarification… The word “butt” does NOT appear anywhere in the poem. However, the word “but” does appear twice.

      They are *very* different words. FYI.

      • Fennatical,

        While but and butt are different words and have different meanings… a reader of the poem can hear one or the other. We are told to hear and listen good, could it be, that the reason for placing clues in a poem form is, sound alike words? Halt-walk, meek-creek etc.
        Is there are reason that “there’ll” isn’t “there will”
        or why “I have” in stanza 1 is different from “I’ve” in stanza 5? I mean, stanza 6 has “your” and “you are” Why did fenn chose to write that instead of “If you’re brave and in the wood”?

        There are a lot of curiosities to think about… after all… it is a poem.

        If we think on a geography, could two butts be a feature [or two features..butts] that face each other? Not far, [apart] But[t] too [two] far to walk?
        Is the poem so straight forwards that words pronunciation is not involved { I don’t believe it is this way, yet we are told to hear and listen and fenn did say all the words in the poem were deliberate.

        Difficult, BUT not impossible?

  47. thats a good thought april i like the thought even better with a pic in the totc book of a boy picking at his pocket or your word is close to where apart i planed to travel but we will see alone and what it stands for may play apart i guess a few as stated not i included

  48. are in tight focus how do you see i could of said not i eye its fun to play with words sometimes

  49. “Brown”

    It’s the only capitalized word in the poem not at the beginning of a line. That stands out; a “blaze” if you will.

    • “Only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

      Do you think it has escaped people’s notice that Brown is the only capitalized word not starting a poem line (or otherwise ordinarily capitalized, like “I” or “I’ve”)? Only a few are in tight focus — not thousands. That should tell you that Brown is among the least likely keywords.

        • Let’s see if I follow you. You figured out what Brown meant because of the poem – but the only clue in the poem is that it is down a canyon from WWWH, but you were magically able to deduce what the correct “Brown” was, and then reverse engineered going back up the canyon, and found “A” wwwh, that confirmed that your hoB was correct!!! Is that right?

          Here is what Forrest has said: “Forrest once said, “There are nine clues in the poem, and the clues are in consecutive order. If you want to find the treasure chest – you have my book there – I’ll tell you how to do it. Read the book just normally … the poem and the rest of the book, and then go back and read the poem 6, 8, 10 times – study every line, every word. Then after you do that, read the book again, slowly, with the idea of looking for clues or hints, that are in the book that will help you follow the clues. You can find the chest with just the clues, but there are hints in the book that will help you with the clues.” f”

          ” “There are nine clues in the poem, and the clues are in consecutive order….” They MUST be solved consecutively.! He gave us the fact that wwwh is the first clue, but something else in the poem, somewhere has to tell us WHERE and WHAT is the correct wwwh. This has to be figured out from the poem!

          Thousands of solvers have come up with thousands of wwwh, that had “A” canyon they could “take down”, and then found “A” hoB

          With NO information other than what is in the poem, how is it possible to come up with the CORRECT hoB, and then come up with “A” wwwh and say that it is conformation that your hoB is correct? Sorry Tom. Your approach defies Forrest, and his advice as to how to solve the poem…. and he is the one who wrote the poem and knows how to solve it.

          Just my opinion, backed up by Forrest’s advice. – JDA

          • JD. Actually, you are not following at all. The clues in totality point you to “Brown”. Good luck if you try to solve each clue as a stand-alone clue. I don’t think you will get very far. And, writing is not the same as solving. Those of us that have had experience writing test questions can attest to that.

        • Tom B: I’ll go with Occam on this one. There is not one word in the poem that a thousand people haven’t already been in “tight focus” on at some point over the last 7 years. Therefore, logic suggests the word that is key is not one of the 166 poem words. As you probably know, mine isn’t.

          • At the Top.
            Yes!!
            Fenn: “All of the information you need to find the treasure is in the poem”
            Conclusion: the key word is in the poem!!

          • Zap. Your logic is faulty here. There is no way you can logically deduce that the key word is not in the poem based on the number of people that might have looked at each word, especially since you don’t know the data. What you are doing is known as an OPINION

          • TomB: I did write “logic suggests”. You feel differently and believe the most obvious word in the poem is Forrest’s keyword. I’m sure mine is right. Apparently you’re just as confident yours is. Until the chest is found, neither can prove his case, so there’s no point in arguing the point.

          • Tom B. it seems your solve has a lot of guessing and obvious speculation. I don’t see where you solve the poem. How can you be so confident in a small spot? I’m not going to pick, just to say maybe you should try something different. No part of this should involve a guess, and, f seems to know what the obvious would be, I don’t think he travelled that road. But, do what you do, okay by me and many others.

          • C’mon guys we can make ‘logical’ conclusions for any word in the poem or the book… example;
            Chase; a groove or furrow cut in the face of a wall or other surface…
            Another-words, is the title of the book a hint as to a possible location?
            Tight Focus vs. wide focus [ of a word and anything else ] – [ in one usage ] means the center of attention, focal point, hub…

            Is the word that is key “I give you *title* to the gold”… Chase? [ a cut in a face of a wall ] hinting at observing.. what or where to look for while finalizing the step, instructions, directions, ingredients of the poem’s clues?
            A simple thought of the words usages might conclude that, the location [ spot ] of the chest is the hub, focal point, the full attention of the contiguous [touching, neighboring,] complete assembling of the clues [ all the ingredients ].

            LOL… we can say; “in my solve it means this or that” all day long… The question that needs answering is how this magical word pulls it “all” together.

            I also find it funny that some say TomB hoB can’t be “discovered” prior to wwwh… with the understanding [ from his explanation ] that the two clue references are closely related. I seem to recall a Q&A;
            [paraphrasing]
            If you know what hoB is, why would you be concerned about wwwh? [ reverse engineering ].
            Or another Q&A… which clue?… the last one, John.
            So, we have been told to “dwell” more on the first clue. To Nail down the first clue, right?… Home means dwell or dwelling, right? Is the comment “searchers don’t dwell enough on the first clue” a hint as to HoB is connected closely… as a clue and a place w/ warm waters halt?
            Seems to me Tom’s thoughts could be inhabiting a correct location.

            It is also interesting that hoB is similar in pronunciation to hub… which means stone-shelf. Of course, that might be stretching it a bit… but are we not told to think and analyze? And are we not told that fenn bends words to make them work?

            Hmmm… the more I think about the “chase” the more I like it.

            Just rambling and rumbling…

          • Hi Seeker….You referenced this paraphrased quite….I know the quote….

            “If you know what hoB is, why would you be concerned about wwwh? ”

            IMO – WWWH is located within hoB, thus, the phrase hoB plays a dual role for not only region, but also now becomes a direction.

            God luck to you.

  50. Seeker. I like the way you think things through. Very good observations.

    Charlie. Yes, I do believe the poem leads directly to the treasure, within feet. Whether my solution is correct or not, is yet to be seen.

    Zap. Forrest has hinted that the solution would seem simple when it was known. But I do not equate simple with easy. It’s difficult to come up with a solution that appears simple. Again, I don’t claim to have the correct solve, but I do have a complete solve that seems simple in the end. Time will tell.

  51. Currently using the word FROM as the key word. Used as a function word to indicate a starting point of a physical movement. The solve I am trying this week does not me physically moving until that word, up to that word everything is telling me that I am at the correct warm waters. Once I find the correct warm waters I have my starting point and From there is when my physical journey starts. If correct the chest is likely less than 3 miles from WWWH, I don’t imagine a 79 year old walking much more than 10 miles in the mountains in one afternoon.

    • Chris, you seem to be following the poem out of order in this line of thinking. If you are planning to walk from WWWH as a starting point, how do you get past the NFBTFTW in between WWWH and the word “From”?

      • NFBTFTW does not have to mean I am traveling even if that is a clue to distance. Considering that line as a distance seems to be correct to me. I can also see that as the distance the warm waters travel in the canyon down. There is nothing saying for sure either way. Same thing could be said about all of stanza 2. WWWH is my starting point but everything else may be referring to the warm waters, they are taken in, they go not far, they are put in. That would at minimum narrow down my starting point to a handful of warm waters and maybe give me the only correct starting place.

        It is possible everything in stanza 2 only tells me I am likely in the correct place to start. That would not be taking anything out of order.

        • I follow you now, Chris. I believe that I agree with your line of thinking here. Thank you for clarifying.

          • There is a logic to it but there are also issues like when FF told a reporter if he told her the correct brown she would walk right to the treasure. If my warm waters go anywhere and get put in below HOB, I have a hard time connecting the dots. I am at my WW thinking I am close and FF says something that does not seem to fit. I have no doubt I can force it fit somehow but when I do that with any part of this chase it just feels wrong.

          • Chris. I recommend going with your gut instinct. If It doesn’T feel right, it’s very unlikely to be right in my experience. I think it should feel like it all fits naturally if you’ve got the correct complete solve.

  52. In my opinion, the keyword is secret. I believe there are more secrets involved in the poem/search other than the place the chest is hidden. This is only my opinion.

    Lyzeebeĺla
    Safety first … always

  53. I didn’t figure out the keyword until after I had already progressed passed the point of needing it. It will put you on the right track. I got on the right track by 99% luck, not brains. I happened to start in the general area. So I’m not bragging. Will make my 19th search next week. Good Luck to All Searchers.

    • May I ask what State you will be looking into Ken in Ga?
      I hope you find it! It will be so awesome to finally get to read about the “head smacking” moment lol

      • Kym, Sorry, can’t start a stampede. Other searchers have searched in the general area. Not sure how many. Have seen overturned rocks near geological survey markers or notable trees. Poem has to be solved completely. Brute searching will not work….I know. Ken

    • Wow 19th, I did 4 this summer and I am sick of that drive. How long have you been in the chase Ken? Good luck if you are botg already!

      • I’ve been at it since 2013. Some of my trips were fairly short. A week at a time, was all I could get off at times. It only allowed 1 & 1/2 days of actual searching. I will let everyone know how my 19th trip goes. Now that I took early retirement, I have more time, but have to limit my trips because of finances. Ken

    • Another Ken searcher huh? Based on what I see on this blog I’m guessing someone named Ken would be the odds on favorite to find the TC.

    • Hello Ken,
      Hey, are you the (Ken from Georgia)I talked with at Fennboree? 19 trips… I can relate, I’ve made 24 trips but my drive is only 800 miles to the Rockies not near as far as yours. Good luck on your trip and let us know how it went k…
      Until next time… see ya

      • Focused, That was me at Fennboree. I enjoyed meeting you. You told me how you got started with your poetry, and your ideas on the search. Good Luck to You. Ken

    • Hi Searchers, Made my 19th search……the Chest is still there for someone to find, close to finding it doesn’t count. On the way back to my home in Georgia, I realized what another word in the poem actually means. May try to make it to the book signing, and then go search again [if the snow is not too deep}. Like I’ve said before, no ones solution is better than anyone else’s until they actually have the Chest. There are lots of clever searchers. Hope everyone else is having as much fun as I am. Good Luck to all Searchers. Ken in Georgia

  54. you know cold is a word thats funny to me only because when i was in west yellow stone by the dude motel my nose started running like a fausset i thought to myself how in the world could Mr Fenn know i would catch a cold there that was funny to me to the point when i ran out of tissues i wanted to walk the trail to the maddison then i thought thats a river not a creek so i went and explored the old depot where showers were taken the bird bath had me taking my shoes off but i woke up with reason that i might sink there and the cold might get worse. just thought id share a laugh i had inside my head have a good day all.

  55. I believe the Key Word is blaze. Some may have solved the poem to put them into the correct area, but do not know what the blaze is. We all know F said that some have been within 200′ to 500′. I believe they have solved the poem but can’t find the blaze. The blaze is most definitely the key word.

    All IMO

  56. This is from Jenny Kyle’s Six Questions of 2014:

    http://mysteriouswritings.com/six-questions-more-with-forrest-fenn/

    “Q1: ..What are some of your thoughts about the flurry of activity over the past year? Did the excitement towards the Chase surprise you in any way? Does it make you think the chest might be found earlier than first thought?

    A1: Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

    http://mysteriouswritings.com/weekly-words-from-forrest-feb-19th-2016/ (Jenny’s site)

    “*Your destination is small, but its location is huge

    My immediate impression from that Q & A was that a few people were making progress. I inferred that Forrest phrased his answer to provide the rest of the searchers a new hint about the nature of the puzzle in the poem.

    I think the phrase “..in tight focus..” meant that the few leaders are part of the many who have found the first 2 clues. Whether wwwh is the first clue or not, those few must have found the starting place, and accordingly their Google Maps are focused on the correct general area. But how vast is the correct general area? Probably the whole local mountain range or forest, I think.

    I interpreted the phrase “..with a word that is key” as an intentionally provocative hint. To me it implies that there is some kind of puzzle in the poem other than the straight-forward text. I think the puzzle probably augments the nine clues in the text. What is the nature of the puzzle? In the famous Scrapbook 62, Forrest rules out more possibilities than I could have brainstormed, save anagrams:

    http://dalneitzel.com/2014/04/26/scrapbook-sixty-two/

    “APRIL 2014
    Some searchers overrate the complexity of the search. Knowing about head pressures, foot pounds, acre feet, bible verses, Latin, cubic inches, icons, fonts, charts, graphs, formulas, curved lines, magnetic variation, codes, depth meters, riddles, drones or ciphers, will not assist anyone to the treasure location, although those things have been offered as positive solutions. Excellent research materials are TTOTC, Google Earth, and/or a good map.f

    http://mysteriouswritings.com/featured-question-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase-treasure-hunt-anagramming/

    ” [Q] Forrest, many people entertain themselves by anagramming words, would you consider this just tomfoolery?…

    [A] Loco, If someone is entertained by anagramming words I will not say it is tomfoolery.f”

    Hmm. Are anagrams a subset of ciphers? I think no. Ciphers require a decipher to work, and a single word would not work as a decipher. The Q & A from Jenny’s site left the door open to go either way.

    But we did discover that there is a word that is key and we need to find out what it is and how to use it. If anagrams are involved, how could a key word help to solve them?

    http://dalneitzel.com/ (yes, I mean the home page)

    ” …Forrest himself is a master of the double entendre. He chooses his words very deliberately…”

    Ah ha! Just a little bit of research into anagrams revealed to me that the good ones are double-entendre one-liners that relate back to the original phrase with two contexts. Maybe the key word defines a context. My first guess was “poker”, but I don’t believe that is correct any more.

    Probably it will take a lot of incorrect solves to finally get the correct one, but I have all winter..

    • Hi Muset,
      You’ve presented some good thoughts worth pondering. In regards to Loco’s question one must take into consideration that the question Loco posed was not specifically framed within the context of solving the poem. In other words there are no words in Loco’s inquisition that specifically ties it contextually to solving the clues in the poem.

      While one can presume that that was Loco’s contextual intent, Loco did not definitively pose the question within that context. Loco’s question can more easily be regarded (and without having to resort to any presumptions) as someone just asking Forrest a blanket question as to whether Forrest considers it foolish behavior if someone entertains themselves with anagrams… regardless of their reason or purpose as to why they are entertaining themselves with anagrams.

      For further clarity, Loco did not specifically ask… “Forrest, many people entertain themselves by anagramming words [for purposes of solving the clues in the poem], would you consider this just tomfoolery?”

      tom·fool·er·y (tŏm-fo͞o′lə-rē)
      n. pl. tom·fool·er·ies
      1. Foolish behavior.
      2. Something trivial or foolish; nonsense.

  57. I would think, that if many searchers are studying the poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key. it must not be a word that jumps out at you.

    • * * * or not even IN the poem. Maybe it is found in TTOTC and/or TFTW, and/or understanding who the author of the poem is, and what he values most in and out of life. Figuring out what the “Word that is key” IS, probably IS the KEY to
      solving the riddles hidden within the poem, and thus finding Indulgence. Just something to think about – JDA

  58. Hi JDA, I understand what your saying. I bet Mr. Fenn thinks it’s a big clue, because he knows where the chest is. For us, I think it would be worth about as much as the elevation parameters. To me, the poem has to provide to much information, for one word to do it. Particularly, a word in the poem.

  59. Thus debate always drives me bonkers (logically speaking) here’s a parallel:

    A LOT of the population are eating vegetables and only a few are in tight focus with hostess pies. Obesity may be cured sooner than I thought.

    Logically we infer that the obesity may be cured sooner because MORE people are eating vegetables.

    It would be silly to assume that its due the few focused on hostess pies.

    See what he does with words there?? Now look back at his statement….what are A LOT of people doing, and what are only a FEW doing? What A LOT of people are doing is what would logically cause the chest to be found sooner than he thought. Aka more people are doing it right than expected. Its a weird word illusion…but if you think about it logic is not inferring that being in tight focus with finding a keyword is a good thing. Though it sure sounds good…but then again so do hostess oies right about now.

    • You’re right Jonsey, it seems backwards though he could be saying that the few that are in focus with a word that is key lends to a great chance of the treasure being found. Sort of like saying 10% of the people at a company do 90% of the work. FF does like to say things in a way that are not quite transparent.

      • I get your logic totally…I just dont think one would say 10% of the company is doing 90% of the work there for we will be surpassing our goals faster than expected.

        I think he learned selling art what I learned in college for psych…people gravitate towards things that are unique and rare. They, by nature, want to be more individualistic. We hear a FEW are in tight focus with a word that is key and we want to be part of the few…we assume there must be a key word (even though he never said it) AND want to believe like the few instead of the masses. “Only 10 were ever made” we assume it is a fine rare car and its value goes up in our minds…but maybe only 10 were made cause it was a crappy investment. Our brains just don’t want to see the logic…they instead automatically chase the mystery…in this card, I believe, its A KEYWORD….c’mon now…he didn’t even say THE keyword (implying there was one) he said a few people are right focused on A word thats key, while most were giving serious thought to THE clues….ill put my money on the people giving serious thoughts to the clues in the poem.

        • Jonsey1, my post was placed in moderation responding one of yours. Not sure why but it was a compliment on your understanding of all things Fenn.

          • Well thanks Bob…but honestly I understand little to no things Fenn…I assume that’s why my beliefs tend to gravitate my beliefs towards things that would require less to understand.

            (There simply CANT be a key word on TOP 9 clues we cant even crack one of!! Fenn wouldnt do that!! God wouldn’t do that!!! Haha)

          • Jonsey@1 – if i were forced to chose a word that is key, i would easily pick “wise” because, if a searcher is wise enough to find the blaze then they’re also wise enough to have solved the previous clues too – so “wise” is a word that perhaps encompasses the whole puzzle, imho

            oh, and thanks for sending me that 500page pre-nup to sign – i’d almost run outa paper to light the fire with 🙂

          • Hey, I want an invite to the wedding wherever that may be let me know I will be there… 🙂

            Hobbit, I agree with you about being wise. Forrest says in his poem … if you are wise your quest to cease or something like that… imo…

          • Hobbit… I am so sorry about putting you in jail like that… But, I figured you would know how get out of it. Hobbits are like that you know 🙂

          • no worries Spallies – jail ain’t so bad.. infact, i’m happily devouring that lemon meringue pie that you generously sent 🙂

            oh wait ..did i just swallow a tuning fork?!
            🙁

          • Hobbit my dear….wise wise thinking is forward thinking in my book. Go ahead and burn that silly prenup….no to give the lawyers even the most modest slice of meringue.

            (Pssst Spallies…invitation? Ill make you a bridesmaid for a slice of key lime 😉 no joke!)

          • don’t worry Jonsey, there’s only one way a pesky lawyer’s gonna receive my yummy meringue pie ..and that’s at ‘high velocity’!! 🙂

  60. Another easy way to see the word game more easily is to reverse the statement….
    “Many are in tight focus with a word that is key , but only a few are giving serious thught to the clues in the poem. The chest may take a lot longer to be found than I expected”

    We would then assume that the many in tight focus were lowering the odds of the chest being found.

    I dont know. Hard to wrap out minds around but he plays a game with words causing us to read what we want to be said rather than what is logically written in his original statement. IMO.

    • Jonsey, Too complicated for me these days — age is blurring the edges of comprehension. What would a Keyword do anyway? & please don’t give me a cute answer like “unlock” without an explanation. Maybe give me it’s part of speech… is it a single word? A noun, a verb, etc. Animal, Vegetable, mineral? A language, a name, a number? Maybe a pattern, like a Greek key, or an island like cay, or sound like que? I’m at a loss. OS2

      • I can’t explain it logical terms, but something about this Forrest quote has always conveyed to me that people are putting the cart before the horse. That they are worrying about what “home of Brown”, “no place for the meek”, or the “the Blaze” (etc., etc.) mean without correctly identifying WWWH first.

        That’s why I gravitate to that starting point in thinking about the “word that is key”. I haven’t kept it secret on this blog that I have believed the key word to be “halt”, but it could equally be “warm” or “waters” for all I know.

        Or I could be completely wrong on any of those. I do more firmly believe the key word to be a word that at least plainly shows up somewhere in the poem.

        • Hello Blex. Your choice of “halt” being a keyword may be possible.

          Halt-waver-shake or tremble

          With the latter, one might be able to find such a place on a map.

        • Blex – That’s the one that jumps out at me as well. Where are you located?
          Can anyone tell me if “halt” appears anywhere in The Thrill of The Chase book?

          • Hi Mark, I’m in Colorado Springs. I’m not sure about how many times the word “halt” appears in TTOTC, but I’m certain that it appears at least once, because the poem is in the book.

          • Hello Mark and Blex. I believe in “The Thrill of the Chase,” “My War For Me,” may be of some interest to “halt,” although I currently can’t recall the word itself mentioned in the chapter.

          • Hi Blex — it appears twice in TTOTC. The first occurrence is in Romberg’s song on page 70: “Then there’s nothing in the world can halt or mar a plan, When stout-hearted men can stick together man to man.” The second of course is in the poem, as you mentioned.

            And if you want to stretch a tangent, there is a third occurrence of “halt.” First paragraph from Dancing with the Millennium,, pg. 135: “Someday, will all the land in New Mexico be covered with houses and asp[halt]?” 😉

          • Thanks, Zaphod! It is interesting that the only other occurrence where the word “halt” appears in the book (as a word by itself) is tucked into a song about bravery.

      • I don’t know OS2….I dont think there is a specific key word. I think a few people were tightly focused on finding a word that was key. Maybe there’s 9 KEY (important/directional/clue) WORDS in the poem and a few people were obsessed with only one of them aka tightly focused on A WORD that is key. He doesn’t say “the” (as in singular) he says A (as in one of several) Maybe they were obsessed with “Blaze” or something….instead of seriously looking at the clues in the poem. I dont know.

        I think this comment, like the clues in the poem, is very straight forward yet extremely difficult to understand as written, since our brains are wired to look for shortcuts and secrets that arent really there. Or at lieaat not as written in this comment. Just IMO/ current thought process.

        In not saying I’m sure in right about it…just that

        • Then again…if there’s 9 clues…and each clue happens to be a word…I could see people being in tight focus with one of them…if that specific word was “treasure/s” I could see the original quote in its entire form being a little sassier than I thought. But really I’m just rambling now and up way too late.

          Original whole quote

          “It is interesting to know that a great number of people are out there searching. Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key. The treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated.”

          Thus one of the 9 clue/key words aka ‘A word that is key’ aka specifically ‘treasure/s’ may be found/solved sooner than he anticipated….I can see that contextually making sense also, though I’m not sure I subscribe to it. My brain hurts already. Lol.

          • Jonsey1 – If you read the full quote you listed above again, and apply logic, FF tells us that there is a key word, that only a few people are in tight focus on that key word, and because of that tight focus on the keyword he is worried (with good reason) that the treasure will be found sooner than he anticipated.

          • Jonsey1 – Your mention of tree as the possible key word you need me think of what the other eight words might be. And then I got a tight focus on the detailing on the bronze chest in my mind. The bronze chest depicts a Medieval Siege, and was crafted around 1150 AD. It works like halt originated then. And then I think of effort, or eF-Fort, as it were. And then I remember the pictures I found of fault scarps in the Red Canyon, Grayling Creek and Cabin Creek areas from the 1959 Hebgen Lake Earthquake:

            Definition of scarp

            1 :the inner side of a ditch below the parapet of a fortification

            DPT just mentioned on another thread that Forrest.turned 79 in August of 2009, which was 50 years after the quake on August.28, 1959.

      • Hi OS2: butting in with my answers to your questions.

        “What would a Keyword do anyway? & please don’t give me a cute answer like “unlock” without an explanation.”

        My interpretation is that WWWH is a general location representing an unmanageably large area. My word that is key collapses it to a singular point. So in this case I think you’d agree that the key word is rather critical.

        “Maybe give me it’s part of speech… is it a single word? A noun, a verb, etc.”

        Noun.

        “Animal, Vegetable, mineral? A language, a name, a number?”

        It’s one of those 6. And not a language or number, so I’ve knocked it down to 4 for you. 😉

        • Zap, I kinda think a ‘tight focus’ could be constricted focus, like tunnel vision…. maybe seeing a word within a word, like the tent in contentment, or tan in Montana. Thats pretty simple, but i do think ‘tight focus’ is the hint a word.
          I’d give your ideas more consideration if you added some logic or evidence or theory or explanatory examples. Care to try again?

          • oops, … mean in a word that is key… was that the phrase? I forgot it exactly. maybe its a word or phrase with ‘key’ in it… like “She gave me the stink eye” Im to sleepy to think of better ones. Good night.

        • I think I have a good guess based on this and some of your previous statements but I won’t say it here in case I’m right.

          • Hi Aaron: my key word is not a word you’re likely to guess. As I’ve posted here before, it’s not a poem word.

          • Aaron… If you are addressing me, please, say your “good guess”, because I haven’t got a clue.

            After I embedded myself last night, I kept tossing that keyword thing about… and it came to me that when ff said “…a word that is key.” it was ORAL, not his written word. Somebody else transcribed the word as KEY. Did ff actually say KEE?…as in keep, or keen, or keel? A KEEP is the vault room in a castle. KEEN refers to vision, a good eye, focus. How about KEEL? A pirates KEEP is atop his KEEL. Or maybe ff was implying the reverse of KEE >>EEK, a lens/prism focus thing, a mirror image, as in meek or creek? Finally, I fell asleep and was not jarred awake.

            Aaron, if you were addressing me, are you referring to my keel comments below my WEEDS & ROOTS story in Armchair Adventures? OS2

          • OS2 – You wrote:

            A KEEP is the vault room in a castle.

            I have always thought my hillside hidey spot out Cabin Creek had the vantage point and security of a Medieval castle keep.

            Your eF-Fort will be worth the cold, after two creek crossings , not unlike a.castle moat, and then a 500 foot uphill climb.

          • OS2 – And then we move on to the old, wise and Archaic use in Heraldry of the blaze:

            1914 · English language
            [Archaic] Blaze (blåz), n. [AS. blaese, blase … F. blason coat of arms, OF. shield, fr. root of AS. blaese blaze, i.e., splendor.] 1. A coat of arms…

          • OS2 – And that 500 foot brave and I’m the wood uphill battle of a climb, after leaving the trail and crossing the castle moat, is an off-trail blaze also:

            Definition of blaze

            blazed; blazing
            transitive verb
            1 :to mark (a trail) with blazes (see 4blaze 2)
            2 :to lead in some direction or activity blaze new trails in education

          • OS2 – A pyre and a beacon memorialized Beowulf. I have thought about how Forrest could easily build a fire in the clearing of my spot. Here is a mention of that beacon word, which could be another blaze reference:

            “Some weeks earlier our F-100 single seat fighters had flown eight ship sorties into North Vietnam where the dangerous air lived in great abundance. I could feel it beaconing me to come and see, and I embraced the thought.”

            “It was about an hour’s flight to where the little stream dropped so mistfully onto the rocks below.”

            I noted that he also used that beaconing word instead of beckoning in one of his West Yellowstone stories, that was later changed to beckoning in TTOTC.

          • OS2 – And there just happens to be a Spring Creek that creates a defile, that would be the logical blaze up to my spot, from the double moat, formed by a Double Omega Island in Cabin Creek, near where it intersects with Forest Creek. I can just see Forrest retrieving a cold can of Dr. Pepper from that misty stream in his final moments…

          • Hi Lisa: it’s still “beaconing” in TTOTC, pg. 78: “Some weeks earlier our F-100 single-seat fighters had flown eight ship sorties into North Vietnam where the dangerous air lived in great abundance. I could feel it beaconing me to come and see, and I embraced the thought.”

          • Hi Lisa: yes, he has had inconsistencies (anomalies?) with beacon/beckon, beaconing/beckoning between various versions of his stories. I’m sure it hasn’t escaped your notice that a beacon is a blaze of sorts.

  61. The key word is hard to identify. Maybe we should start with these:

    BOLD OLD COLD GOLD

    Could any of these be the word that is key? Or as JDA has suggested, is the key word one which is NOT in the poem?

    Franklin

    • Franklin –

      Post with caution. If Zap sees that words rhyme or have common letters or even begin with letters it might set him off into a tizzy of statistical vernacular.

      Just a suggestion,
      Lugnutz

    • Hi Oz.

      I can say this much…..

      The key word I think i discovered – through figuring out a riddle within the poem – it works very well for my General solve.

      I also agree it to be key to the poem as well, because if known, you can actually skip right to the place the riddle refers to…and the next clues….”if you have found the blaze”…which is supposed to lead the seeker to the TC.

      Is my “word” accurate? That is a good question. I don’t have the chest yet, but still have not discarded my findings yet…either.

      I can’t reveal it, because it seems to be an important piece.

      *shrugs* it is what I dug up in my yravels, it works well, but it is also only my opinion.

      Cheers!

      Good luck to you.

        • Hi Oz10.

          Yes, my word is within the poem and like FF said, we should pay attention to the poem for that answer.

          Unlike WWWH, I actually, for the life of me, figured this one out on my own, and still have scowls from my team in that it is accurate.

          It fits so well.

          FF is right. The TC will not last in its current location for a 100 or a 1000 years.

          *winks*

          I’m going to get it next summer.

          Good luck to you.

        • Sorry OZ…I forgot to add…

          No….FF to my knowledge, has ever mentioned the word. I know I wouldn’t, and still don’t.

          I think it truly helps change the playing field.

          He may have used it in a context not representative of the poem, but I am not sure.

          I will say this much, to whet your thoughts a bit……my word is not located in Stanza 1…..even though I honestly believe Stanza 1 hints to the location that the key word connects with.

          What would be a function of a key word?

          To help the seeker.
          To give an exact location to seek.
          To help unlock it, or it actually unlocks the puzzle.
          Is it placed in a context so well thought out, that – if figured out – it doesn’t need the poem to find the location?

          For my last thought….I think this can be done…..if one knows where to begin.

          The key word now becomes a validator for the solve…..if they can be combined I to the same location.

          Please tell me this much. What would be the odds that these two locations are found to be in close proximity of each other?

          Astronomical odds, especially if you consider the odds of finding one specific place in the RM.

          Oh yeah….all the above is just my,opinionamd mayhabenomeNing at all.

          Why don’t you just delete this post altogetjer?….as it probably won’t help anyone..,,,…*winks*….I’m Just a rambling “know-it-all”, huh?

          Good luck to you.
          Tim

          • Thanks Tim. It seems possible that there is more than one word that is key. Since some claim it to be on the poem but in different stanzas, others say the books and others have made one up magically. There could be as many keywords as there are warm waters halt. I just thought that since the SF interviews also claim to have a ‘key’ it could be used as confirmation.

            But you may have the right one, who knows, good luck to you too.

  62. As I’ve read the poem over and over thousands of time I can’t seem to pick out a word that is key… I’ve looked at definitions as F eluded to people not knowing the meaning of words such as ‘several’

    I did put something together in my mind that kind of made some sense in the poem. The first line of the poem, “As I have gone alone in there”. Another word for ‘gone’ could be died. people use the phrase ‘He’s gone’ as to say they have passed away.

    If you use died in place of gone it still makes sense…. “As I have died alone in there, and with my treasures bold.” Maybe he is referencing a person in history that had died alone in the area where he hid the chest. Remember, he said that two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

    Just random thoughts… IMO… etc….

    TimM

    • Tim, look at line 9, the first 5 letters if you read it from right to left. Kee me. In the book, “A little of me is also in the box.” The word that is key is “key”, the key is Forrest Fenn.

      • From this line, ” a word that is key”, (thanks Jonsey), there are only two words you can use. Either “that” or “key”. That’s it…A word “that” in tight focus with the clues does not sound like it would work. The word “key” being in tight focus of some clues sounds more appropriate. So this “key” is used where clues are in tight focus. Or, the last couple of clues are very close together, and the “key” is used on one of them.

  63. How about this…
    Make a couple dozen photocopies of the poem with its introductory sentence. On the first copy circle the first word. On the second copy circle the second word. And so on. Compare the different copies to see which one helps the most to understand the 9 clues.
    Geoff
    “Have flashlight, will travel”

  64. I’d gather that the word that is key helps one find or figure out the blaze. I don’t think we need a word that is key to find the correct wwwh. That’s because f has told us many times and in many ways the importance of figuring out the first clue.

    Most would say then that I’m making an argument against my theory. I’d say I’m keeping in mind f’s best advice to searchers for finding the tc. That involves reading the poem many times and reading ttotc looking for the few hints that help with the clues (paraphrased). So that there is the mechanism that I think f put in place to reveal the correct starting point of clue one.

    The other pesky problem is once one gets closer to the end of the clues how does one find the blaze. I think the hints can’t help with clues after clue 1 because of f’s definition of a hint versus what a clue is. So, that is where I feel a word that is key helps the searcher…to find the blaze. Imo one won’t find the blaze without the correct word that is key.

    • “It is interesting to know that a great number of people are out there searching. Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key. The treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated.” [Feb 2014]

      LOL I think we need a fenninition on ‘sooner anticipated’ …Months, Years, Decades?? ha! four years later and still going no where fast.

      Fundamental, Just wonder, why the word that is key would not open the poem as a whole, in understanding what is being told?
      I mean, IF the key word only unlocks wwwh or the blaze, line of thinking… then doesn’t that force the thought this challenge is only a botg method, and not so much a ‘certainty of the location and direct path beforehand’ line of thinking. Which inadvertently makes “follow” ‘directional only’ with no instructions needed?

      Example of thought;
      Directions; two eggs, cup of flour, cup of milk, etc… things we need [ clues references ]
      Instructions; Mix two egg and flour and milk… but something is still missing… do we just throw all those ingredients on the counter, the floor? or do we need further Instruction to ‘put in’ a mixing bowl. “Precisely” where they need to be… No guessing on wwwh’s location or even the blaze. It’s all in the same mixing bowl.

      In that sad attempt to explain the above lol… Just following directions [ directional idea ] doesn’t tell us what is needed to be done… So, are the clues locations known at the beginning or at the end by a trial and error searching?
      Or
      Is a later clue [ instruction ] possibly the mixing bowl… where all the clues are contiguous / mixed together / same location… in the correct order.

      While the clues are in consecutive order in the poem and followed as such… are we overlooking the instruction of following them in the right order?
      “There are nine clues in the poem, and the clues are in consecutive order.”
      “I don’t know that anybody has told me the clues in the right order”
      WhatIF ~ a clue is an instruction to the “right order” The mixing bowl, idea.

      • The mixing bowl is correct or I call it an intersection, it is the intersection of clues that If you can read the signs at that intersection you may have a clue.

      • Good points, Seeker. I’ll answer some that I have a thought about.

        I don’t follow for the sooner than anticipated line either, lol. But there is something keen in f’s response that I never see another searcher bring up. F says sooner than he anticipated. But, f replied before to Mdavis’ question with this..question posted 6/27/2014:

        Is any specialized knowledge required to find the treasure? For instance, something learned during your time in the military, or from a lifetime of fly fishing? Or do you really expect any ordinary average person without your background to be able to correctly interpret the clues in the poem? ~mdavis19

        No specialized knowledge is required mdavis19, and I have no expectations. My Thrill of the Chase book is enough to lead an average person to the treasure.f.

        F says in his reply that he has no expectations. But in his a word that is key response f says he did have some kind of original expectation, as in whatever time he originally anticipated the tc to be found.

        Anyway, no I don’t think the word that is key forces the correct solution to be a botg mission and trying to figure out the majority of the clues in the field.

        Quite the contrary, I feel f gave us the mechanisms to be able to figure out most of the clues from home. Can’t figure The all important clue one that everything else seems to hinge on? Did you try to find hints to help with that?

        Once you figure out the first couple of clues f (paraphrased) said you can find the treasure. It’ll be difficult but not impossible.

        I think your mention of a mixing bowl and ingredients has its place in the correct solve. I think the whole first stanza is a hint that one needs to recognize what the 4 main ingredients are and apply to a specific geographical area in the Rockies.

        • Didn’t mean to say “before” in relation to Mdavis’ question as I think that came after a word that is key statement from f.

        • Ha! I could argue the point of expectations with fenn’s comment… paraphrasing… he doesn’t ‘know’ the poem will lead someone to the chest but we all have the same opportunity. IF I was going to argue the point, that is. But I do see your logic in that.

          My point to a word that is key, seems to imply ‘follow’ more than an individual clue reference [ whether the start or the end ] But more to how to understand what the poem is relaying as instruction to be followed.

          So were at wwwh… what do we “do” now? just go to the next thing we think is a clue or do we actually need instructions to follow them correctly? [example; “take it in” as a movement ~ directional.. or.. as a view ~ instructions ]

          However, It’s only smart to keep both ideas in one’s mind… I don’t dismiss your thought of how the key word works… I just can’t think that it’s that way only.
          I mean, if we don’t find the chest and need to go back to the first clue… are we going to do the same thing/method again? Hoping for a right turn the second time vs. a wrong turn the first time, or adjust to another reading of the poem.

          • I don’t see how one word can give an overarching instruction on how to correctly decipher the clues to find the tc. Plus, you don’t need one to do that, IMO. The clues are sufficient for that. The hints also help with the clues somehow.

            I don’t try to over complicate it. I don’t think f tried to over complicate the method of solve. There’s something to be said for straight forward and elegance. Some searchers may pass over simplicity in the poem and out botg. I think f knows that.

          • seeker great thoughts. i think the search area is the bowl (metaphorically) . the key is to stay in the bowl.. another way of putting it if we go to yellowstone park there is a map available to assist to get around the park.

          • FD: but what if the sole purpose of the word that is key is to help you solve WWWH. Or worse: that WWWH is completely unsolvable without it (as I believe)? In such a scenario, the key word is not overarching per se, but it could be indispensable.

          • Zap-

            Consider which order Fenn made the comments. There is a comment about how a couple of people had solved the first two clues. First two includes WWH. There is also a comment about how people are not in focus on a word that is key.

            Which came first the word that is key or the solve of the first clue?

            The world may never know.
            Lugnutz

          • Zap;

            You say, “but what if the sole purpose of the word that is key is to help you solve WWWH.? I will go beyond that and say that the “Word that is key” is to help you solve “The Poem” – not just wwwh.

            For me, the word that is key helped me find the blaze(s) – without finding the blaze(s) – there is no finding Indulgence.

            Beyond finding Indulgence, the “Word that is key” gives the searcher insight as to WHY Forrest hid Indulgence where he hid it.

            For me, it would be a shame, were someone able to find Indulgence, and not know why Forrest chose this “Special Place” as the temporary resting place for Indulgence, and why Forrest originally chose this place as his eternal resting place.

            For me, the word that is key, gives me that insight. I may be wrong,, but it all makes sense, and in the spring or wearly summer, I will go with confidence to that “Special Place”, with
            Forrest at my side (in spirit) – JDA

          • Good question, Zap. You make a good point where I should explain my thought about it more. Who knows if I’m right.

            It comes down to reasoning out what f has offered up. He gave specific definitions to what a hint is and what a clue is. Sorry if I’ve posted this here before. A hint helps with the clues and a clue is something that takes a searcher closer to the tc.

            Once you think about those definitions, maybe my explanation is understandable. My take is that a hint can’t help a clue in the poem after clue 1. Why? Because if a hint did, it wouldn’t fit under the definition of a hint and it would be called a clue. So, to me the hints in the book, and if there is one in the first stanza of the poem (f does use the word hint there), have to help us figure out the first clue…the correct wwwh.

            I do think each line of the first stanza contain a keyword that helps solve the puzzle in that stanza. It’s like a recipe that has 4 main secret ingredients that we need to uncover and use in the correct order of the recipe.

            I just think that the blaze has a major word that is key that needs to be figured out. I chalk up the first stanza as being one big hint but, you’re right, I think it has keyword aspects to it.

  65. Somewhere Forrest said we need to “adjust”
    So ad-just? Just is in the poem a couple times. I think that Forrest is telling us to shift our thinking.

  66. The key word IMO is “blaze”. Certain people have a tighter focus on the blaze than others do. There are no hints to my knowledge of what the blaze is. I believe we all know that the blaze points to the tc. We might find a good area that resembles the clues then one starts looking for the blaze and don’t even know what the blaze is. We can find what we think is the blaze and not be the blaze at all. This is where people have a very tight focus on, the blaze.

    I believe some people can’t move away from their solve and have revisited the area in efforts of finding the right blaze, the tight focus is on the key word, “blaze”. The blaze all by itself is the key to unlock the hiding place.

    All IMHO

    • CharlieM

      Yes blaze is very possibly the KEY word, but consider another idea for a moment. Forrest has said that the blaze is “anything that stands out” (hope that is exact), and for it to stand out, it has to be BOLD. Anyway, it also has to be within the boundaries of his “special area” to be correct, but surely it is a Bold item appearing there, while BOTG. Also Bold is the only word from the poem which rhymes with 3 other words, and which creates a description. Bold Old Cold Gold. Have you ever noticed that?

      What’s in the chest? Bold old cold gold for one thing, and other items of great value. Another thought about Bold is that there may be a lot of Bold things within the special area, making it more meaningful in line 2 of stanza 1, “And with my treasures bold.”

      There is something, or things which are bold and amazing in the special area, and in my humble opinion, they are more that simple creeks, ordinary trees and mountains and other such things which are everywhere in the Rockies.

      Well anyway, rambling on won’t help much. I thing it is the word BOLD. IMHO of course.

      Franklin

      • Yes Blaze is one I thought a lot about too. My post made it sound that I thought the key was Just. But I was just commenting that Forrest said “adjust”
        Awhile ago I just started over, when I realised I’m back to ground 0. No treasure found. So many Blazes so little time.

  67. I was thinking about the word that is key today again. A couple of words make sense. It’s very possible that the word is not a word in the poem, but it is still part of the poem.

    A “combination” that unlocks a safe may be something like 33-28-12-0. The “combination” is actually 4 numbers though we name it with one word. So, “the word that is key” could be made up of a series of letters kind of like a combination. For example “W-I-N-D. The 4 separate letters are a combination that forms a word— not necessarily an actual word from the poem, but a word hidden in the poem.

    This combination may lock or unlock the poem in some way. Just an example: the word “idea” is found by combining the 4 corners of the poem. It’s a word in the poem— but not a word in the poem. Make sense?

    • Sparrow,

      Moving letters around to find the word would be daunting at best and more than likely sounds like decryption. That creates a huge amount of word possibilities. If you use just the letters in a single word only. the chances are you can’t make another word. An example the word “treasures” without dropping some of the letters, there might not be a reasonable word, or a word that does not relate at all.

      Just Saying,

      • Charlie M—

        Thanks for the post. But I am not speaking of “moving letters around” at all. I am talking about a combination that is already right there. I’ll give an example:

        Every Good Boy Does Fine. This is a Mnemonic to remember E,G,B,D,F in musical scale. It is a combination that is there—no need to move anything around. It’s OK though—you may not be understanding where I am coming from—and that’s fine. It could be “way out there”. lol

  68. This could be my dumbest post ever, or my most brilliant and I’m not sure which, so please be kind. I’ve been awake through the middle of the night for a few hours now, so my thought process may really be off. I’m trying to think differently about the poem in case my original solution isn’t correct.

    Having said that, the first paragraph starts with the reference to I. We assume I is F, but as he has said in the past, (something like) it’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so. So, who or what is I? The first stanza says that I can keep my secret where and hint of riches new and old. So, whoever or whatever I is, is keeping the secret where, as in key word.

    IMO, the next 3 stanzas are the clues, which tells the reader the actual steps to take.

    Now the 4th stanza goes back to the reference to I. The 4th stanza actually says now I’m weak. So what if I is literally the word weak. The last stanza says to hear me all, which may refer to a homonym. What if the use of the word weak, in unlocking the poem, is week not weak. What is week? It is time. There are lots of references to time in F’s memoirs. The last line of stanza 1 refers to riches new and old. What makes something new or old? TIME. What could time’s treasures be? – Memories.
    This theory is strictly poem driven and I haven’t “messed” with the poem either (I don’t think). I am just trying to follow the directions and understanding the true meaning of F’s words.
    Now, others are probably eons ahead of me on this, but is there somewhere or something in the Rockies that is very specifically related to time? If so, I think a solve using the 9 clues in stanzas 2-4, could give someone confidence in knowing that he/she has the correct solve.

    If anyone chooses to comment, again, please be kind, I know I am overly sensitive to criticism. Thx!

    • JBL,
      “I” means self knowledge… the idea of “I” Could be someone else that came before [two can keep a secret if one is dead, idea].
      So is it possible that the first four stanza talk about “I” as what an other has done? While fenn mirrors that person’s travel. This thought gave me the idea of the “ancients” [knowledge of ourselves] travel to the now Americas… their tools, clothes, personal items were their treasures [reason for treasures to be plural, as theirs and now fenn’s and fenn’s use of trove later on]
      And why in stanza 5 fenn is telling us “he” must go [ “I” is fenn as an extension of the ancients… and fenn’s thinking of down the road for future generations ] With his treasure[s] bold. [ the idea of new and old ]

      With that said… changing week vs. weak is a good Idea IF we think about “hear me all…” as a hint to do something like that.
      But In my mind, both words need to be usable… not just one or the other. If you can use both words as helpful, as you said; week as time… I think “week” could be telling us we need to understand a time-line for retrieving the chest [leave my trove for all to seek]?
      If we take what we have been told over the years…
      “At age almost – eighty,” “Hid the chest when he was 79-80 [and knowing his birthday],” “Hid the chest in summer,” Tell us to “wait for the mud to dry” [wet spring to dry summer, idea] and tell us to “pack it in for the winter”…. it all seem relative to a “time” of year and possibly a certain week [short period of time] that the chest can be located.
      Time has always been relevant in my mind to the poem.

      In a shorter version in response to you inquire… It works for me!

      • “It works for me”…HA! That depends on what the definition of “works” is. Doesn’t seem like too much is working. Still unloading my truck….

      • Maybe F’s use of the word I transitions back and forth (between him and the ancients for example) throughout the poem.
        1st stanza – As I (ancients or time) have gone alone in there, it could be implied that so must I (Fenn) with my (Fenn’s) treasures bold.
        5th stanza – So why is it that I (Fenn) must go? The answers I (ancients and possibly Fenn) already know. The answers I (Fenn and or ancients) already know. So, the answers are – I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak. What in the world does that phrase mean? Maybe that’s what we need to figure out. I just looked up the definition of weak and you won’t believe it, but it says lacking physical strength and energy. So if I also refers to ancients or time, neither have PHYSICAL strength or energy. So, both ancients and time could be weak and week. Wow!
        Is there a trail that ancients would have walked and been tired (and Fenn would have driven on tires) that would ALSO fit perfectly with the clues in stanzas 2-4?

        • JBL
          Over the years,I’ve traveled various parts of the Trail of the Ancients scenic byways and off-road locations in Four-Corners region. Mostly in Utah and only a few in Colorado that lie within the boundaries of ff’s TFTW Rocky Mountain map. Parts of me strongly believe Indulgence is in such a location given ff’s background and thrills with native American peoples and their cultures, ways of life and spiritual beliefs and practices dating hundreds and thousands of years. Especially after reading The Secrets of San Lazaro Pueblo (including a flashlight statement!), the back-stories associated with ff’s very special bracelet and his love for Kachina dolls and belt-buckle. It’s very hard for me to imagine his special spot and Indulgence are not located in an area deeply and richly part of native America. My bad news is I don’t have the first clue where this might be. The good news is I / we don’t need one -to experience the thrill I’d / we’d have venturing out on the Trail of the Ancients to visit locations new and old. Chase well…Stay safe…

          • Thanks, KU, I had never heard of the Trail of the Ancients. It looks incredible. Unfortunately, from all of our discussions about this line of thinking, there are still way too many possible solves. This does not give me confidence that I can correctly solve the clues and KNOW that I have the right solve.

          • Kidutah –

            I don’t believe that Four Corners is in the Rocky Mountains. It’s certainly not up in the mountains at all. I agree that Forrest has a reverence for the history of the west, much of that Native or Indian. Which brings up the point that the 4 corners area is Reservation land. Also it;s not on Fenn’s map, is it?

            Not far away, relatively, you have the super popular pah from Durango to Silverton.

            There are lots of area in Colorado that we don’t here much about, not even whispers.

            Lugnutz

          • Lugnutz
            First, not all land in the Four Corners region / area is “Reservation land”. The Four Corners region consists of high desert mesas / plateaus, valleys and mountains in the much larger Colorado Plateau. Part of Four Corners lies on ff’s map albeit not in what you or I would consider to be the geological system often referred to as the Rocky Mountains or “The Rockies”. Thus, I think we agree it would not be wise to chase along the Trail of the Ancients scenic byways or Four Corners region expecting to locate Indulgence.

            However, IMO none of what I posted above or previously precludes Indulgence from being located along / near an ancient trail (“of time” for example) deeply and richly part of native peoples (indigenous, Indian, American or otherwise if that’s what you meant). Yes – there are many such places in Colorado and I suppose in every state and – yes – one doesn’t “here” (sic) much about them. It helps we need here hear only about locations in just four states. In regards to any whisper or “wishper” I hear here or elsewhere, I tend to be tight-lipped. Then again, I can keep a secret where only if one of us is dead!

            By the way, on a recent visit to Chicago, I drove north on Western Avenue and halted in traffic at a storefront named Chicago Blaze. I later learned it’s a blaze of a much different kind. Perhaps you already know.

            Chase well…Stay Safe…

          • I agree with a possible link to Native American something…what that is I can’t be sure, but I like the wind river area for multiple ties to the chase and fenn. Look up high rise village in the wind river range…a 13
            Yo kid wrote a mapping software that predicted other locations at high altitude (white bark pine nuts, south facing). Initial excavations took place in 2008, 9 and 10 by anthropology Dept of U of Wyo….guess who is on the board of directors (George Frison Institute provides funding to researchers)? So my IMO possible there is that FF was very interested in the high altitude sites due to the unprededented nature of these sites and links with common NA time periods FF was familiar with (did you know that there are only a handful of locations in the search area that allowed quarrying for arrowheads?) I also have a theory about the chest being on a reservation such that they become the owners and the finder makes due w book/movie deals about ttotc. All imo of course

        • Tired and weak can be the geographical journey through time… I mean we’re talking 1000’s of years. Maybe tired and weak is meant for man’s journey.

          Tired and weak could also be a place of the ancients ancestors [ need to know where to start ] [ start at the beginning ] Could a reference to this mean the Medicine Wheel.
          Many like to think this location was designed by Indians [ native Americans ] but as far as I can tell… no native Americans can lay claim to it… it was there before even there time.

          Does “Begin it where” mean now, or “where” in time? Does “Not far, but too far to walk” mean right now or in time “past”? Can “new and old” riches mean knowledge of out past times and present time and why fenn may have place his Autobiography to explain to the future his time period?

          • Why the comma?
            “I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak”

            That will answer your question(s). IMHO it is just not as deep and mysterious to understand.

            Hiding something out in the open can be an excellent place to hide it. That can also work for -simple statements- because of the many who will say, “there HAS to be some deeper meaning…(and over think simple intent).”

          • LMN –

            If you have an idea for why there is a comma why don’t you let us know.
            My trialing in writing says that sentence requires a comma. Lots or people disagree, but it sounds like you have an idea related to the chase.

            Pleas do honor us with your idea.

            Lugnutz

          • Hi Lugnutz.

            Why does a comma have to have a separate meaning, and not just a normal pause in the statement?

            “I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.”

            A normal hesitation between thoughts is a common practice in English and when telling a story. We all know FF lives to tell stories…. and this seems to be the most simplest way to look at the “comma” in this regard.

            I’ve posted it on these blogs before, and have mentioned that IMO – this phrase/statement is just a brief explanation of FF actually creating the blaze to the TC.

            Is it/can it be this simple?

            Shoot…some must think my words have meaning, especially because each post has been “under moderation” for quite some time now.

            I hope you find meaning in them too.

            Good luck to you.

          • LMN,
            Why the comma then?

            “I’ve done it” give the meaning to tired… a past tense… the comma is for present tense… “and now I’m weak.”
            This past and present and even future tense inundates the poem and the supposed clues.
            Does the thought that “begin it “where'” have no bearing at all to past and/or present?

          • Hi Seeker.

            Although I can agree with your thinking that words can mean various things, this seems to stop you from peeking further into the poem, but…..at some time, I really think you take the extremes that “could” be involved, and then lay claim to indecision because you can’t move forward with the complex thinking you project.

            IMO – you are approaching it with complexity instead of simplicity.

            FF did mention it will be a “simple” solution, and cause the finder to say, “why didn’t I think of that?”

            To me…staying simple will help you arrive at that same point that Fenn has used.

            Good luck.

          • To me that line “I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak” is a specific (2-part) answer to the preceding question.

            Yet 50% is a specific clue to the nearby trove. Which is why I can not talk about it further.

            IF I am correct, the full explanation for the purpose for the poem will be more interesting to learn than all the flurry over the Chase has been.

            As ff -might- say, “I hate to be so vague, but I guess I am.”

          • TimZ.~ ‘“why didn’t I think of that?” ?

            I heard; “will ask, what took me so long”
            I’m not familiar with what you quoted… do you have any more context to that quote? Link?

            I do enjoy when others want to advise me that, all of this is not complicated, when fenn himself as stated it is complex. [ see the quote above ]. When fenn has stated it’s difficult…
            If it was easy, as you say Tim, simplistic [“stay simple”] I have to wonder how stupid we all must be…LOL… two clues solved for more than 4 years and still searchers don’t knows what they really are in reference to. [even the ones who solved them]
            Maybe as many as 4 clues solved but fenn is uncertain… if they know.
            Folks on site [search mode] and walking by every clue and the chest.

            Good Lord… Coming up on 8 years and the only ones who know anything are the knowitalls without the chest or even a picture.
            Yet, what really is a belly full of laughter is, some who just “know”… but can’t never find the time to go fetch a million plus in winnings, or turn around after a searcher has an epiphany; they now know where they went wrong, but couldn’t go back because of work, or needed to pick-up the dry cleaning, or they were out of milk at the house.

            Ya’ll ask why I haven’t been on a search for Forrest Fenn’s Treasure Challenge… Cuz I have no true idea of what the first clues is… so I’ll take fenn’s advise on the matter, and stay home until I can nail down that little sucker. And not use the excuse it was a nice vacation, only to later complain how much time and money they spent on the chase.

            What’s that word that word i’m looking for, umm, you the one, the word that means; pretends to know what is right, but behaves different to what they claim is right?

          • Hi Seeker….just because I choose to rephrase something said by FF in a manner I think will mean the same, it really is my own business. You can say what you wish, but IMO – statements like these really have no bearing on the final solve….they are just words to help encourage people.

            Apparently, you see it differently, as a “poem purist” seems to be. I find FF to be much more flexible and still stay within the confines of a straightforward directional treatise. Many are not in my camp…so be it.

            What I said…
            TimZ.~ ‘“why didn’t I think of that?” ?

            I heard; “will ask, what took me so long”
            I’m not familiar with what you quoted… do you have any more context to that quote? Link?

            Tell me how it matters. I already KNOW the puzzle is difficult, but I also KNOW that I have done some solid work on a complete solve and will continue to say what I have, in order to possibly help others with their general solve. Every single searcher will need to replace words within the poem 28th some sort of place or direction….I know you do…yet you hone on “words of encouragement”.

            I can see why you still are arm-chairing the hunt….you don’t want to go out and just have fun, enjoy the wild, find a hidden trail, or anything…..but clearly looking to just reap the rewatds of the find. IMO – Canasta isn’t as fun.

            I KNOW what I have, and one day I will be able to embark on another attempt to see if my armchair sleuthing works or not. My apologies if I don’t have the funds to support multiple searches like others or possibly even you…or enough funds to take a vacation every year like you possibly do. No worries on my art….that is part of the fun for me….the thrill of the chase isn’t complete without others getting closer than you do or even finding it before you do.

            Oh…I agree searching Willy-nilly is futile, but good for me, I’m not doing this Willy-nilly, because I have been methodically, investigatively, and trust me…as thorough as I can….by turning over the smallest stone to get where I am.

            I’m your everyday searcher….with an endgame in place.

            You are right though…I am one who WILL say “I know”, because what I KNOW are many things you seem to have not figured out…..and guess what….what I KNOW works very well for my solve.

            It fits many categories that have been discussed not only by you, but FF as well.

            Like I said in the past, I come to this place to learn from others, share with othets, and help others formulate finer lines within their solves. You clearly still read my posts but find a need to scoff at them without ever providing details that show what I say is invalid. Nope you never do.

            Anyhow…just my thoughts to show you how different I view this hunt.

            It is difficult….but becomes very simple once the clues are figured out…once the key word is discovered….I totally agree with this, because my solve includes both of these confirmations.

            Good luck to you.

          • Hi Oz10.

            If you put context into what you sai – ” pay attention”….why not just use one as a pause and nothing more?

            Your thoughts?

            Cheers!

          • Oz,

            I don’t know if this is what you are looking for, but maybe it’s close.

            * “I am frequently criticized for where I put commas. My reply is that I don’t want to use anybody’s book-writing rules. It is my prerogative as the writer to decide when I want the reader to pause, not the reader’s, and certainly not the critic’s.” f – SB 179

            But shouldn’t you be looking for Dorothy and Toto instead?

            Pinatubocharlie

          • Seeks – unless i’m mistaken, Forrest’s primary motivation from the start was to get bums off seats and into the nature-scape, which i believe is also a pre-requisite that he had woven into the poem over the years

            oh what’s that phrase i’m looking for..
            “if you fail to put botg, then plan to fail”
            ..or something like that 🙂

    • JBL;

      I am not sure that you arrived at the TIME thing the way that I did, but I agree with you that TIME is relevant and important.

      In a Q & A Forrest says: “Mr. Fenn, is there any level of knowledge of US history that is required to properly interpret the clues in your poem. ~Steve R
      No Steve R, the only requirement is that you figure out what the clues mean. But a comprehensive knowledge of geography might help. f

      What really is geography? Geography is the study of the physical features of the earth and its atmosphere, and of human activity as it affects and is affected by these, – The study of the earth’s features – through TIME – and of the affects caused by human activity on that land – Through TIME.

      Forrest is a collector of Native American artifacts, Forrest is an (unaccredited) archaeologist. a definition of archaeologist = a person who studies human history and prehistory through the excavation of sites and the analysis of artifacts and other physical remains. – (Whether accredited or not)

      “Studies human history and prehistory (Through TIME).

      How does all of this TIME research and knowledge relate to the search? What if Forrest’s “Special Place” has a rich Native American history that Forrest uncovered as a boy or later in life? What if Forrest’s “Special Place” has a rich geological history that can be seen – not just a few years or eons back – but all of the way back to the very creation of the earth 4.6 Billion years ago? – This Place would be Special in so many ways – all related to TIME.

      I think that you just might be on to something JBL – Keep on a thinkin’ JDA

      • Thx JDA! I have always thought time was relevant because of TTOTC, but I never saw it in the poem until today. This line of thinking is perfect for a poem purist. (I happen to be one.)

    • JBL, I think you are doing excellent work with the first stanza. I agree with you that the I probably represents someone else in history. I think the I also represents F taking the same steps as the unknown person(s) in the past.

      Then your next thought was about keeping my secret and hinting of riches new and old. If f is the one hinting of the new riches who was hinting of old riches in the past in the Rocky Mountains? Keep it simple line of thinking…I sound like Seeker now. 🙂

        • Yes, I do. Some party hinted of their bold and secret placement of riches in the Rocky Mountains in the 1870’s. Haven’t heard of anyone else doing that until f.

          Why would one hint of their secret besides f and his tc? If one wants the information out…

          • Boy, I have no idea who you are referring to. Very interesting. My mind went to Sacagawea because of her help with the Lewis and Clark trail. Fenn has also said something like he put something special in the chest and he thinks she will be oleased when she sees it. Could he be referring to Sacagewea? Also, she is buried at Ft. Washaki which used to be Ft. Brown (I believe). Or, perhaps, the WWH is somewhere along the Lewis and Clark Trail. I’m just rambling. I really do need to think things through more before posting.

          • Oh great, (sarcasm) the scanners were from Kentucky. I’m from Kentucky. I was reading quotes from articles from my local newspaper.

          • Actually, something in the article I read reminded me of my first ithought of what the blaze was. I was looking in New Mexico at the time, but realized that my area was not in the highlighted area of the map. My current blaze is similar, but not exact and it is in WY. Does this make any sense to you? Trying to figure out if we are on the same page.

          • Yay for Kentucky, ha!

            Well, my blaze for that solve was similar to the ax man drawing in ttotc. I can’t quite pick up on your blaze.

    • JBL, not dumb at all. You lay it simple and made some connections with the 5th stanza. Riches new and old meaning -memories- makes more sense to me than the ones I have tried. We know others here like Seeker have been looking into the time factor in the poem as well.

  69. I don’t think a Texan redneck would have an idea of what any of you talk about on this blog, I sure don’t understand half of what is said. Forrest said don’t complicate the solve. I dont think Einstein could figure out what most people dream up on this blog. Just my opinion. I wonder if all the jibber jabber on this blog is only to throw people off. My suggestion to all this is for everyone to start over with just the poem and then you may have a chance to beat us to the treasure. Just sayin

    • 1 Trailblazer,

      Yes, I agree you need to start with the poem to get to solve, that only makes sense. Just how do you get to the area where this poem leads? Since the topic of this thread is “the key word” I will comment about that. So to me the “word that is key” is a “special hint” that if followed, yes followed, it will finally, yes finally, take you to the “area” and the true meaning of “WWWHalt”. Then at that point you can follow the clue solves to get you to indulgence.

      Now the word that is key – how do you know what that is? — guessing it’s a word in the poem like most are doing or is it one that needs a understanding of Forrest and what might have influence his life throughout time. If you can figure that out then the “key word” is obvious and you can see that “word” posted in plain sight in his TTOTC book, but if you “truly” understand what I said the book is not need. (Kind of like if you knew “right where” the chest is you could go anytime and get it, but what are the chances on that)? Just like the “word that is key” what are the chances you have the correct one? IMO What would Skippy say?
      Bur

          • “What did you expect for free admission?” … I think Bur was quoting skippy for his own post. Good one Bur.

          • Hello OS2. I’ve tried posting other comments, but didn’t show, but I’ll try again in hopes it’ll show. I’ve tried commenting that Skippy may have said “heck” to suggest Hell’s Half Acre.

          • Hi pdenver – hells half acre is a fun spot ( it would have been a tourist trap on the way to Yellowstone…Thermopolis was marketed as the Gateway to Yellowstone in the 30s-40s because of the roads of the time) I don’t think the spot is special as it is private land, maybe a clue/hint?

            For fun you should look up hells gap, there are 2 in wyo and both have links to old and new. Upthread someone mentioned trails, these each have important trails very close by…one is not in the highlighted portion of the map, does that mean it is not ‘on the map’? The place exists so I ask is it in fact there on the map just not highlighted? This is my line of thinking for ‘important possibility’ lately: what if the edges of the map are in fact in the search? There are several areas above the elevation hints but ‘in the rocky mtns’ becomes another ? Classic FF imo.

        • JDA, pdenver, OS2,

          If Skippy were alive he could tell you the word that is key, part of that influence tapped Skippy’s life too. Now this word has influence mine.
          Does that help? Ok that is as vague as “Hey there’s a peril in a oyster on the oyster bar at Sand Key if you want it.”
          Maybe Forrest should have buried Skippy standing up in this place that is special, he would enjoy it too.
          Bur

          • Bur;

            Thanks again for the post. This post seems to be in conflict with your post of yesterday, but that is OK.

            • Bur on November 9, 2017 at 7:06 am said:
            By the way, this person that Forrest went with or met him there in this special place might have not been someone he knew in the years before his art gallery, but after. This person has since passed before the hiding of the chest. Two can keep a secret…..
            IMO

            Maybe the two posts are not related.
            If the “Special Person” was someone that Forrest met after his gallery years … Skippy died in 1978- and Forrest sold the Gallery in 1988, and started writing the poem in 1988.

            I had guessed Skippy, but then the dates did not match up – Oh well. To me, Skippy is a GREAT choice. JDA

          • JDA- The person that Forrest met or went with to this special place has nothing to do with the “word” that is key.
            Bur

          • Hi Covert One.

            Question #10 should have included….
            – search every other year

            And maybe other options…

            Thanks for putting it together.

            I chose “other” for review,because my choice was not listed.

          • JDA,
            Ok you misunderstood my crazy writing. This was not a person before having his art gallery, but someone he met “after” he opened his art gallery.

            Sorry if that was not clear.
            Bur

          • Not a big deal Bur. I am sure that people read “what I say, not what I meant to have said”
            .
            So now, if I understand you correctly –
            The person that Forrest met or went with to this special place has nothing to do with the “word” that is key, and that this was not a person that Forrest knew before having his art gallery, but someone he met “after” he opened his art gallery. Is that correct?

            And secondly, Skippy IS the person that has a connection to the “word” that is key – Is that correct? Sorry for being so dense. – JDA

          • JDA a- in a word yes. I think I need to take two steps back and regroup on how I write. I tend to try and convey some hints to where I believe Forrest is taking us but also try and not to give to much info that put’s someone in this place before me. Although it is ok if that just happen to happen. I’m sure there is a searcher out there, that might not even post anywhere on the searcher blogs, that lives close to indulgence. One who just might put two and two together on the clue solves for his area and then the search is over.
            Good luck to all.
            Bur

          • Thanks for the clarification. I think I know why Skippy has a connection to the “word” that is key. I do not have the slightest idea who the person Forrest took with him to the “Special Place” – a person he met “after” he opened his gallery. – Someone he met between 1972 (about) and 1988, – someone who is now deceased – Didn’t Olge die in 1978 – the same year that Skippy died? Eric Sloane? Now that is a possibility. Eric died in 1985

            SB 177 starts with the following: “I wrote a book about Eric Sloane that most people who read this blog haven’t seen. It’s called Seventeen Dollars a Square Inch. If you think I talk too much about Eric please try to overlook this effort. It’s just that I think about him a lot. He died ten years into our relationship, but they were significant times for me, and I hope they were worthwhile for him. In a perfect world everyone would have their very own Eric. Maybe it would be fun to show parts of Eric that no one knows about anymore:” YUP YUP, I am going to bet it was Eric – This makes sense! JDA

          • A question for Forrest.

            If it was Eric Sloane that Forrest took to Forrest’s “Special Place” – I wonder if Forrest indicated that “This is a Special Place” to me, and I wanted you to see it…”

            Or did Forrest tell Eric that he intended to hide Indulgence here (somewhere) in this “Special Place.” “Two can keep a secret…”??? Whoever finds Indulgence might ask Forrest this question.

            In effect, did he trust Eric to keep his secret … more than Peggy or another family member??? I somehow doubt that he told Eric – I suspect that Forrest showed Eric the general area of his “Special Place” and told Eric about some of his adventures here – but I doubt that he told him that it was here that Indulgence would find a temporary home. Just my guess. JDA

          • “Maybe it would be fun to show parts of Eric that no one knows about anymore:” YUP YUP, I am going to bet it was Eric – This makes sense! JDA”

            Well JDA I will have to say your thinking. What if……..there’s more to it then what you posted. I can’t say that Eric’s never been there, and to me it would seen logical that maybe he has been at sometime in his life, but the one I’m talking about knew Eric too. I just found that part out not to long ago.
            Sorry JDA, that’s more then I really want to say. But you can ask Forrest if you like.

            As always all I write is my opinion, but “sometimes” I have facts about things I post, guess it’s just a matter of figuring out what posts.

            Okay it’s Friday, time to kick back and enjoy the grand daughter. Have a good weekend all.
            Bur

          • DARN Bur!

            I thought that it made a lot of sense – DARN again.

            So, anyone out there have any suggestions? Who would Forrest have met between 1972 and 1988, that Forrest became CLOSE friends with, who is now deceased?

            I remember a story about someone dying at almost 80 – keeled over dead while about to cross a street, and Forrest thought that it was funny – not that the man died, but the circumstances – any one remember who this was? Was it Eric, or someone else? JDA

          • Hi JDA — not quite street-crossing, but waiting for the light to change:

            “When he turned eighty he gave himself a surprise birthday party because he was surprised he’d lived that long. He died two weeks later while standing on a street corner in Manhattan waiting for the light to change.”

            Forrest wrote this of Eric Sloane. I believe the account is somewhat apocryphal. Eric died on March 5, 1985, of a heart attack on the steps of the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan.

          • Hi Zap;

            Thanks for the info. That is about how I remembered it. So, the story is about Eric, and the friend that Forrest took to the “Special Place” was not Eric. So, who might it have been? Someone Forrest meyt while owning his gallery – a close friend who has now died. I am at a loss – JDA

          • Hi JDA,

            ” … and the friend that Forrest took to the “Special Place” was not Eric. So, who might it have been?”

            But when has Forrest ever admitted he took or met anyone at the spot he hid the chest? Are you just trying to deduce who Bur thinks it is? Or are people assuming someone must have known (at some time) due to his “two can keep a secret if one of them is dead” comment? Seems to me his father would be at the top of the list of candidates.

          • Hi JDA: fair enough if it’s only meant as a side intellectual challenge of figuring out how another searcher thinks.

          • JDA – i may well need Zaps fact-checking abilities here, but what if Forrest never introduced that spot on anyone, but rather it was introduced to him by an older friend/peer from his earlier (forestry?) days, or maybe even weekend fishing at spot-X with his football coach (?)

          • C’mon guys…Joe Billy Bob is the mostly candidate.
            Oh wait… was he in the book? No not that book, the other book…

          • “Y” he didn’t bury him standing is only something for the one who solves this, and f, to know. Right Bur? Oh, and maybe the shadow…Simple “knowlege”.

          • It’s within the “alpha-bet”. Eric Sloane is very “wise”. But, I don’t think Skippy was 7′ tall. Is it hard to catch “frogs”? Fire up the campfire Eric, I’m hungry…Alas, Andrew would have loved seeing this, it’s an amazing sight….

          • It was Forrest and Pastor Gene Scott at the Special Place. We just need to look for big Cigar butts. If the atmosphere was just right one of them Cubans might just have survived to this day. No one would ever have thought that Gene Scott would be one of the two who can keep a secret. I’m pretty sure Gene didn’t tell his wife or she’d have made off with the treasure by now.

    • 1Trailblazer –

      I agree.
      Some here think Fenn is a triathlete and that you need to be a genius to solve the poem.

      Lugnutz

      • Lug – Fenn is a genius. It will probably require a similar mind to “fully” unlock the puzzle. I believe there are a few who have “partially” unlocked it thus far. IMO

    • You never been in 5th grade,1trailblazer? Never opened a history book about ancient times. I mean, I’m sure you heard the the pyramids in Egypt, right? The jibber jabber you’re reading about is told in every society around the world

      You said; ‘Forrest said don’t complicate the solve.’
      I can’t disagree with you more… fenn started this whole thing by telling us it was “difficult, but not impossible” “if it was easy anyone could do it”
      And later adds; “Some searchers overrate the complexity of the search….”
      I see fenn admitting the poem has “complexity” ~ the state of being intricate or complicated.
      But fenn adds to the comment above examples; “Knowing about head pressures, foot pounds, acre feet, bible verses, Latin, cubic inches, icons, fonts, charts, graphs, formulas, curved lines, magnetic variation, codes, depth meters, riddles, drones or ciphers, will not assist anyone to the treasure location, although those things have been offered as positive solutions.”
      All the 1000’s of hours of research many have put in to their solves… and fenn finishes with this; “Excellent research materials are TTOTC, Google Earth, and/or a good map.f” 
      Then later adds; “a comprehensive knowledge of geography might help”

      So, can you point out where fenn said ‘don’t complicate the solve.’
      I see, don’t ~*”over rate the complexity”* by knowing about examples listed. However, fenn’s memories hint of the ancient past… and tells us what kicked started him into exploring and collecting… “The urge to collect started for Forrest Fenn at age nine when he found his first arrowhead. It was just lying there in a plowed field on Little Elm Creek in Central Texas, waiting for him to come along.” [Old Santa Fe trading Co.] ~“It was a thrill that started me on a long journey of adventure and discovery,”

      Just Sayin………..

      • Seeker, I have said that I have been on this Thrilling chase for close to 5 months. I have read a lot of what was said but probably should not quote anything said by Forrest. I did make one more trip into my search area with snow on the ground and contrast of trees against the snow brought out a completely different view of what we had seen early on our first 3 BOTG trips. I know its been said time and time again but IMO we have found Forrest’s special spot. I was wrong when I said you better be brave, bold, and not at all meek. Any place is dangerous yet when you make a map to give to your friends for direction, you use the main roads to get them to your location, only when you know the area like the back of your hand
        you also know all the shortcuts, and guess what
        we found that exact shortcut. if I am wrong come spring I will let you know first hand and at that point you can join my search for the correct blaze if you like. Hope I get there first.
        P.S. Unfortunately in 5th grade, my teachers said I spend way to much time socializing with the girls so
        like Forrest I got D’d and F’s but still at least graduated high school. I’m sure you can tell by my writing. But I am a hell of an outdoors man.
        Take care

        • 1trailblaze,
          fenn stated; “…advise new searchers to look for the clues in my poem and try to marry them to a place on a map.”

          Ya have to ponder, marry clues-[plural] to mean “a place” on a map for each clue?
          Or
          Marry all the clues to “a’ place” on a map?

          Pave roads or shortcuts aside… The major problem I see with all of us [ the readers / searchers ] is in how we read the poem to size it all up.
          Are we stomping / driving / moving large distances, clue to clue, place to place over an area that involves a mile or more? Or are we to be at a single location / place where all the clues are located, that searchers easily walked by all the clues… and the chest?

          I find it interesting that fenn uses words to describe how to go about looking at the clues, such as;
          Marring; couple [coupling?], joining.
          Consecutive; in a related order.
          Contiguous; touching, neighboring.

          This has been a discussion / conversational problem for me. I can see it both ways, and chat about both ideas. Where many [not all, but most] only see it as the clues cover a very large area of land… sometimes miles of wilderness.

          Is the problem here, more of our own perspective, being the major influence? Think about that… we see words like canyon, too far to walk, creek etc. and automatically enlarge a search parameter to be much bigger than it might actually be.

          That idea, to an Ant a mud puddle looks like an ocean. But is that at really looking at an ocean… Here’s a challenge; describe an item/object or even your own backyard using geographical language… then give that to a friend without his knowledge of where the location is. Do you think he could figure it out -?- without something telling him the “place” you are describing, even if he was standing in your yard?

          fenn’s warning in the book;
          “I warned that the path would not be direct for those who had no certainty of the location beforehand, but sure for the one who did.” f

          ‘Certainty of the the location beforehand’ Seems to me the ‘direct path’-[clues] are in the passenger seats, shouting out directions before you are even there.

          Just a different view of the road…

          • I have to quit saying anything and be like sheriff billy and zip my lip till spring. I can say this. I gave our solve to Forrest with our names prior to the book signing and have sent other e mails telling him who I am and some of my short stories of life. He never responded by e mail but he did personalize our Once Upon Awhile book with a stick figure girl (wearing a dress) chasing a stick figure boy. I can only hope it’s a message to us. I believe we figured out the key word early on.. Have a great winter, it’s going to be a long one.

          • Seeker – I have the answers to your quandaries above. We should talk as I know you are a viable BOTG option.

          • 1Trailblazer…it’s ok to just be you. There are a lot of searchers (past and present) who believe or have believed that they have the correct solve. Fenn has said that he will not lead anyone to or away from the treasure. Remember that it has been his goal to keep the playing field equal for all. This Chase has sent a ton of folks over the edge in terms of rational thinking and behavior. To me…it is a long term challenge/game that may never be solved. Have some fun and don’t sweat it.

          • ! trailblazer~ ‘…I can only hope it’s a message to us…’
            It’s always nice to wish upon a star… But sometime hope can kick ya in the…

            “Occasionally I forward parts of emails to Dal for use in his blog to
            add human interest for others who are in the search, but I never would if
            it made a difference or in any way might point someone toward or away from the treasure.”

            You might say, fenn didn’t answer your e-mail, so anything else is still fair game. And many think the same.
            fenn has also said, “No one has any secret information that will take them to the hiding place. It’s in the poem for all to see.f

            Full quote for the first above [ only because you said, you’re basically five months into the challenge~ I ‘hope’ this might give you pause to act on a possible rabbit-hole strictly on the luck of a drawing;
            “Occasionally I forward parts of emails to Dal for use in his blog to
            add human interest for others who are in the search, but I never would if
            it made a difference or in any way might point someone toward or away from the treasure. Dal is also a searcher. I am determined to stay aloof of providing any additional clues that are useful. Everyone has the same information to work with. Some few have stopped within several hundred feet of the correct location, and then passed it by. I said in my book that the solution will be difficult but not impossible. If it was easy anyone could do it. Whoever finds the treasure will mostly earn it with their imagination. I have done only a few things in my life that were truly planned. Hiding the treasure chest is one of them. And at the end, the one who finds the gold will not feel lucky, but instead, will ask himself,
            ”what took me so long?”

          • Thanks Seeker for your input,
            Your words always make so much sense that it throws me off the path. I guess I need to look at things from more of a logical aspect. Darn you keep making rational comments…. hoping I can think like a 10 year old but probably not.
            Have a good day

          • Hi Seeker.

            We both can agree we think differently in this hunt, but in honesty, you do have some great points, that help me define things more astutely. Thanks.

            You even said something here that caught my eye…..

            “Is the problem here, more of our own perspective, being the major influence? Think about that… we see words like canyon, too far to walk, creek etc. and automatically enlarge a search parameter to be much bigger than it might actually be.”

            In response….
            We know FF said the region will be large, so why not think like I have? With me using a “macro to micro” view technique, it seems to work well. I used this technique twice in the past 5 years in order to get to where I am today 38th my general solve.

            Imagine you are looking at a map on the table, ground, etc…..with the poem at the side, but looking at them both at the same time. Your map probably has some Topography on it, right? Okay…now looking at the map…can you see canyons on the map? Of course you can, because canyons come in so many sizes. Super large ones like the Grand Canyon, and then…..there are also those smaller ones caused by other smaller rivers. A creek cannot create a canyon, only rivers can.

            Now, review TToTC’s “Looking for L&C”.

            Now at this point, you have the book and a “good” map….now you can try to formulate a location…..what I would encourage…..you may want to locate a certain parameter based upon TToTC….you can now….go and look for L&C. I did 5 yrs ago….and used that information to arrive at where I am, BUT ONLY, after many hours of research, BOTG, trial and error, and of course…fun and imagination.

            I tried to think like Fenn during the whole process. You should also try to feel his energy in the research….I KNOW he surely did, because just reading the L&C journals, it made me think of not only FF but the feel for the wilderness, what to expect, how to progress while there, what to look for, and…as compared to what they did.

            This is where you will find FF…..if you go looking for him.

            Playing Canasta at home is not getting you nowhere….well, except getting pretty good at Canasta.

            Good luck sir.

            Imagination is where it all begins….and ends…….right?……yes it does end in imagination. Imagine yourself surrounded by a treasure, imagi,e yourself doing some if those things you only seeMed of.

            Imagine the “world free of wordies”…..

            You can do this Seeker….be like Forrest.

            Oh yeah….for all out there in Difficulty-land….here is so.edging that I am now applying to my solve…..and hopefully makes it more finely tuned…

            What if….basing upon the notion that FF seemed to have mentioned that we “pay attention to the commas”.

            Okay…all kinds of thoughts have been shared…but two more thoughts are now being added to the lot.

            …what if a comma tepresents…..
            – a directional change
            – or even a moment within the poem/map that actually tells you to make a directional change based upon a specific marker/”blaze”….that already exists enroute?

            This theory also only included commas that are within stanza 2 thru 4 because #1 & #5 & #6 for me do not represent any active clues to find the TC.

            Ex.

            Stanza #2 has the first comma AFTER “canyon down”. Directional change? Trail marker location?

            Stanza #2’s next comma occurs after “Not far”…..another directional change while you are in the canyon? Could there be another trail marker “not far” from the first directional change?

            Anyhow….as you can tell, I am seeking out the blaze and what it could be.

            Afterall, one needs to have “found the blaze” to find the chest.

            I hope you gleaned something from my opinion Seeker…at al….good luck!
            Cheers!

          • Trailblazer1 – You wrote:

            “..he.did personalize our Once Upon Awhile book with a stick figure girl (wearing a dress) chasing a stick figure boy. I can only hope it’s a message to us. I believe we figured out the key word early on.”

            So is your key word paddle and was that stick figure June???

  70. My comment wasn’t directed to anyone person, and appreciate everyone’s comments on this blog. But some of the conversations are really out there. As a hint, geography is the key.
    Thanks JBL, seeker, and all other bloggers for your thoughts, my comment was not meant to be an insult just a suggestion.

    • 1Trailblazer;

      You say, ” . But some of the conversations are really out there. As a hint, geography is the key.”

      Please note my quote from Forrest posted above:“Mr. Fenn, is there any level of knowledge of US history that is required to properly interpret the clues in your poem. ~Steve R
      No Steve R, the only requirement is that you figure out what the clues mean. But a comprehensive knowledge of geography might help. f

      Forrest said,”But a comprehensive knowledge of geography might help”. f – not me – so if anyone is “out there” – it is Forrest, not me. Just sayin’ JDA

      • As you said JDA, Geography is the study of everything… history, time, land, peoples…. so ” a comprehensive knowledge might help’ is another Fenn joke. OS2

        • OS2 !! You are the first person to pick up on that…Fenn is “ever” the comedian. Talk about talking in circles !

          • Wow, a reply! Thanks. Hi Ken, yep, I think too much bullet vision going on, More wisdom in the tumbles and tickles. Good Luck. OS2

    • Trailblazer,
      See my response above… I ‘personally’ didn’t take what you said as ‘insulting’ in anyway… My response is meant as conversational debate to place an argument[s] for the discussion being held.

      We also need to remember the time and dedication fenn put into the poem [ and the challenge – 20 plus years ]… I hardly think any of this is as easy, as many want it to be.

  71. I should be getting my books in the mail today, but I have a feeling the only thing it will offer me is a look at who Forrest is, yet I think I know the man already because his life mirrors mine in the sense of being out in the woods.

  72. I think Seeker, FD, and 1 Trailblazer are all right. I’m hearing “Cleanup on aisle 7” in my head.
    I need to think about this for a while.

  73. So to all the people that have Fenn’s new book are there any clues in it? I am still waiting on mine playing cat an mouse with the bookstore1 lol

    • Hi James – My book is en route so I’m in the same boat as you. 20 days after ordering I got an e-mail that it was shipping.

    • I have found interesting things is every chapter. Some are as simple as Forrest “hinting” that the finder should hang onto Indulgence, because it will appreciate in value over time – to actual “Hints” or “Nudges” that I think will get the searcher closer to Indulgence. Each person will have to judge for him/her self. I have a very active imagination – JDA

      • JDA—

        There are so many threads that I forgot which one I posted on. But I wanted to tell you that your idea of moving stanza 5 and 6 on top of 1 is a very good idea.

        Also, the idea that the poem most likely starts with a question if it is a riddle is also a great idea. Just wanted to make sure you saw my post. Thanks!

    • I had watched the video of the recent book signing produced by Toby and there was something interesting I noticed. Easily missed but discernible and probably has been discussed already and I just haven’t seen it. Definitely some words that were key, in it. IMO .

      • Can you not be so obtuse? What “Words that are key” did you discern from the video? If we do not know what YOU heard, how can we say whether we heard the same thing or not? Just askin’ JDA

        • JDA,Lugnuts. My apologies for being obtuse. In the video starting at 15:05 to 15:35. It’s quite an admonishment!?

          • I noticed that. I think he doesn’t differentiate between hints and clues. I think there are hints in the book, because I’m one who believes there are hints in the scrapbooks. However, since the words didn’t come from F, I didn’t put too much stock in his comment. How does he KNOW there are hints in the book? I don’t think he does know for certain. IMO

          • JBL. That is an analogy I considered in view also. Though, I view what Doug said and Forrest’s response,with tight focus, I see no objecting rebuttal from FF. He just responded with a specific response ‘ you’re talking about this book’ . I just can’t for certain discern if that it’s a question or a statement, though the insinuation is of being a question. But that matters not in importance to me. Being said right then and there by Preston that there are ‘clues in the book’ with FF being right there, FF’s response was ‘ you’re talking about this book’. Prior to this he said ‘ Forrest doesnt want me to say this, he asked me not to say this…’ . He said what he said and FF didn’t correct anything Doug said. These were rather ‘ weighty’ words in my view or ” vital” as Doug Preston said. IMO .

          • Alsetenash – I agree with JBL that I don’t think Doug differentiates between hints and clues. But with all due respect to Mr. Preston, he has just as much inside knowledge as we all do on whether there are hints in Once Upon a While. Which is to say (with a nod to Game of Thrones) “You know nothing, John Snow.” Nevertheless, I believe there are hints in the new book because I’ve always felt there were hints in the Scrapbooks.

            Who else has found the unique postmark stamp?

          • Zap. I would not disagree with your good logic said. My emphasis is on FF’s response , body language and such. IMO . Just my observation as an opinion.

          • Zap –

            I found 123 missing emails from HoD in my spam folder.

            I assume you will see this response.

            I think everyone on that stage knows where the TC is. This is my opinion based on next to nothing.

            Please at least acknowledge that you understand Fenn is twisting the real saying.

            Three may keep a secret of two are dead. Ben Franklin 1735 from Poor Richards Almanac.

            Lugnutz

          • Lugnutz: Ben Franklin quote acknowledged. But if you think Shiloh and Doug know where the chest is, then you must also think Forrest was lying when he wrote: “As for who else knows, I’m the only one. My wife doesn’t know.” And: “I’m the only one that knows where the treasure is hidden and my wife dosen’t even know within 18 months of when I hid it.”

          • Zap –

            You are not asking what I believe you are telling me what I believe.

            I believe that statement was true when he said it.

            Lugnutz

          • Zap

            Also, there is a problem with intellectual consistency on this blog. Many here, including, you Zap choose when to take Fenn at his word and when to assume he’s being imaginative. As such, it doesn’t make sense when you attack someone for not listening to Fenn’s words. You thinks Fenn makes things up to provide hints on a consistant basis but then you ask me if I think Fenn is lying.

            Well, do you think Fenn is lying? What’s lying and what’s being imaginative? Do you accept his lies when they provide you personally with a hint?

            You cannot have it both ways. Either you take Fenn at his word, in which case, there are no hints being provided when he speaks and writes. OR you think Fenn is providing hints, in which case, you cannot tell another searcher they are wrong.

            Here is an example. Don’t you accuse Fenn of lying when you point out that the names of the horses on Shiloh’s ranch are Lollypop and Buttercup? Or is he lying when he recalls the horses in the earlier story? IF you accept that Fenn provided those names as Hints in place of the actual names then why is it so unacceptable to believe that he was also not truthful in any other statement?

            Confused in the WWW
            Lugnutz

          • Lugnutz ~”I think everyone on that stage knows where the TC is. This is my opinion based on next to nothing.”

            How old is Shilo? How old was he in 1988?
            Yep, you said your thought is based on notta, but what would give you the thought that fenn told anyone at all? Or even how long they knew about it… from the beginning? 10 years after fenn’s first thought of it? After he hid the chest?

            It begs the question… Should fenn pass on, will you stop attempting to solve the poem?
            I mean, if at least two others might know… Why would you have any reason… the chest would not be retrieved by one of the two, or both, and never told it was… to even try and solve the challenge?
            IDK, this sounds to me like nothing more than a wild conspiracy theory in the making. Or an excuse to help you feel better…

            You posted it this… I’m just inquiring about why you even have the thoughts.

          • Seeker –

            To some, including, Shiloh and Doug, the value of the treasure is not great. I myself have said before that I am not interested ion the treasure for it’s monetary value. I am interested in the puzzle and the adventure. I get that with or without the treasure.

            There are lots of treasures and riddles out there. This one is unique in more than one way. In every other case we actually know what the clues or riddles are and then we solve them. In Fenn’s case we do not know what the clues are. Zap will argue this next point, three are non of the usual coding schemes. I have decoded the poem, the individual lines, the individual words. Noting come from cracking the codes. That’s because they don’t exist. Zap thinks there are ambigrams and I can build that case, but they don’t deliver a location. An ambigram might provide a hint but to my point, that is different from how this works in all other cases.

            So I will always be a part of this pursuit until the treasure is found. It’s intellectually stimulating.

            No one related to Forrest needs this treasure.

            Lugnutz

          • Lugnutz,
            I’m not talking about ‘need’ either. The lure is a salesman’s pitch. If this was a box of marbles… you I and a few others might as well meet for coffee at Starbucks, cuz these site would be very quiet.
            But, with that said; Good for fenn that he is able to give tens of thousands of people the incentive-kick the butt, to be outside. { it’s kinda sad, but it is still true }.

            I’m talking about honesty. Should your thoughts that anyone else be involved in anyway shape or form… when fenn has stated, no one else knows… would that alone give you pause to even a attempt the solution to the poem?

            I mean, In the mountains N. of SF might not be true either…as reference to the “RM’s”, right? and nothing more than a mountain of rocks is some old gravel pit. Or there aren’t 9 clues but 29, and only 9 are “within” the poem and the rest in the field…
            IF the simplest intersection of honesty[straightforward] to trust[reliability] is diminished… that he alone knows of the location,… then nothing that has been told can be taken as any grain of truth at all.

            Why would you bother even to try, if you think he’s not telling the truth about ‘Only he knows’?

          • Hi Lugnutz: Okay, that is a third option — that Forrest may have spilled the beans to Doug and/or Shiloh subsequent to his statements that no one else knew the chest’s location. But would Forrest want to burden them with the responsibility that goes with that knowledge? Isn’t it bad enough that crazy people show up at Forrest’s door from time to time? Would he wish that on a close friend or a grandson?

          • Zap –

            He relies on Shiloh more each day for, well, everything.

            It’s not a burden to anyone who is related to or friends with Fenn. DP’s million may be like your 50k. Would you care so much if the treasure was worth 50k?

            Lug

          • Lugnutz — my poem decryption approaches have nothing to do with ambigrams. You are confusing me with the fictional Robert Langdon, or the real person (John Langdon) whom Dan Brown named him after.

            You claim to have made a stab at decoding the poem on a line-basis, word-basis, etc., without success. But then conclude that since YOU haven’t found anything, there must be nothing like this to be found. Do you not see the arrogance in such a statement?

          • No.

            Presumably everyone has tried everything, right?

            If you are not using Ambigram than I am just not remembering the term you used. You have definitely mentioned some sort of decryption and you have traded messages on this sight using the technique, right?.

            I do not believe there is any decryption as you are well aware. I put the work in because my opinion does not matter. I tried Caesar cipher etc because that is how most puzzles are solved, solve the cipher.

            Fenn says there are no ciphers right? He said that after I ran them. As you have read with me here in the past couple of years, folks come up with all kinds off stuff hidden in that poem. Everything but a letter x.

            You did not answer previously. Have you watched inferno?

            Lugnutz

          • Lug — well, I prefer to believe that Forrest alone knows the location, but it makes little difference to me if he shared it with Shiloh or Doug.

            Would I have worked on Forrest’s puzzle if it was only worth $50k? Sure, because I like solving hard puzzles. Proof: I spent a couple hundred hours working on Pete’s Breakfast Tea and Bourbon, and it was worth $50 k. $50k would change my life not one iota. Well, maybe a nice first-class vacation to a bucket list destination…

            I’ve spent thousands of hours over more than a decade working on Kryptos — and its solution is not worth a dime, though being the one to solve it would certainly come with its 15 minutes of fame.

            Most people would like to leave their mark on the world in one way or another. Forrest has given everyone an opportunity to do just that.

          • Ha!

            When I write 50k I was thinking of Tea and Bourbon.

            Fenn used to hint at things early on. IMO he stopped right when he says he did. There is the interview in which he says I am not giving out any more clues. Since then he identifies when he does so, as with Rio Grande.

            BUT

            Before that time you can look a the things he said or wrote and marvel if whether they are hints. Two can keep a secret if one is dead falls into this category. He plainly was inferring something or intending to anyway.

            To refine the point even more I would say there are no hints on HIS website, those stories are as they read. My suggestion to anyone is to pay close attention to how he responded to questions before TCKASIOID in 2013.

            Lugnutz

          • Hi Lug — I believe the reason so few people have solved the first two clues is precisely because they haven’t “tried everything.” That’s why I suggested it was a bit presumptuous of you to declare the absence of such a system due to your own failure to uncover it.

            I think you are confusing the word ambigram with something else — perhaps anagram? There are no ambigrams in the poem. And I don’t think anagrams using poem lines are a reliable way to provide clues (though there have been searchers here whose solutions depended on them).

            As for Dan Brown’s Inferno, I have neither read the book nor seen the movie. I have read all of Dan’s earliest books: Angels & Demons, The DaVinci Code, The Lost Symbol, Digital Fortress and Deception Point.

          • From Inferno 1hour 33 mins ofr there about:

            Langdon:
            “Ancient fishermen learned to sail where the warm waters met the cold. The small fish would stop at the edge of the warm waters and the big fish wold come out of the cold water and eat them.”

            This comes right after he is discussing “borders, edges, doorways”

            I was on a flight when I saw this and I stood up and looked around to see if there were any chasers on board. Watch the movie, that scene will take your breath away.

            Lugnutz

          • Lug: it would not be that much of a stretch to assume that Dan Brown (or the movie screenwriter) was familiar with Forrest Fenn’s treasure and deliberately inserted such a reference. He certainly did so with Kryptos, so it would not be unprecedented.

      • That video is like an hour long.
        Why don’t you tell us what you found interesting?
        Some commenting here were, of course, there in the room.

  74. I heard that Forrest would not comment at the book store on weather there were clues or hints in book? So I am thinking No. Why? BECAUSE if there was, than I would think it would be shouted from the roof tops. That would boost sales, right?
    So didn’t Forrest say awhile ago he was not releasing any more clues? I remember that! Have a nice weekend everyone.

    • Since Forrest makes NO money off of the sale of his books, I think your supposition is flawed.

      But, the unknown always creates more interest than the known. By NOT saying that there are or are NOT clues or hints, the excitement increases, not decreases. Some will buy the book even if Forrest had said that there were NO hints. Many would buy if he said that there were hints – and Many Many will buy who want to prove to themselves that there either are, or are not, hints in the book – by NOT answering he increases sales – – – even if, as I said earlier, he makes NO money off of the sales. JMO JDA

      • He does want to sell books for good causes though.
        Just wondering if others heard Forrest say no more clues?
        Just thinking what it all means.

  75. Who wants a REAL CLUE? haven’t heard this yet and i need help with it. i offer this up in hopes you all can help me understand or i can move your discussions in better direction. I think we may need to work together to solve so please pay it forward. Here it is. TAREYTON CIGARETTES. follow me, Forrest said Peggy would rather switch then fight. This is the exact opposite to motto for Tareyton cigarettes. Marvel gaze, in ad’s they all have black eye. i however think this points to the fact that the poem should be read in opposites at least lower portion. Clues should be verifiable. I believe this is verified through his own words. Now i need your thoughts. There is more to this hunt and i truly believe it is in all our interest we figure it out.

    • I think that is a great find. Zap is excellent at finding these types of aberations. After my BOTG, I learned that a scant is a stone that has been cut on two sides – like a grave stone. I believe we should be looking for a tarry scant (a stone with a black tar mark) when we have BOTG. As you can see, I am a believer in a solution where multiple meanings of words apply.

      • JBL – I have been singing that hymn for over a year now – Now at least maybe we can harmonize – I sing bass – how about you? JDA

        • JDA – i have a pair of Bee Gees pants in the cupboard, so could possibly do soprano while JBL passes the bucket around for coins ..?

          hang on.. just gimme a few hours to put ’em on 🙂

          • Hobbit…it appears by your pic. that you are already wearing them. Don’t forget the platforms too!

          • easy mistake to make kens but nope, just the usual constipation ’tis all 🙁

            Lady Gaga platform shoes – √
            Elton John sun-glasses – √
            Pam Grier afro – √
            ‘get out of jail free’ card – ummmm

      • good find Jasper – in my solve there is a land formation of an alien with a side view – and there is this pit in a shape of an eye and that is the eye for the alien and that to me is – as I have gone alone in there

    • Jasper;

      You said, ” i however think this points to the fact that the poem should be read in opposites at least lower portion”

      What lines or stanzas – in the lower portion – do you think should be read in the opposite? Where does one draw the line in this type of reasoning? Stanza’s 1, 2 and three read normal – stanza’s 4, 5 and 6 read opposite??? Makes NO sense to me. If one is to read it the TARINGTON way, do so for the entire poem or not at all.

      “So hear me all, and listen good,
      Your effort will be worth the cold.
      If you are brave and in the wood
      I give you treasure to the gold.”

      How do you read this stanza “opposite”?
      “So hear me all and listen good” = Pay no attention to what I am about to say.
      Your effort will be worth the cold.” = Your effort will NOT be worth the cold – or your effort will be worth the hot???
      “If you are brave and in the wood” = If you are cowardly and out on the plains
      I give you title to the gold = I will not give you title to the gold.

      This makes no sense to me. Can you better explain what you mean by giving examples of how you want us to read “opposite”? Interesting theory, and until proven false, all theories are as good as the next…I am just having trouble grasping yours. But then again, I have been known to be pretty dense at times – JDA

      • That made me laugh for sure! Thank you. So example would be scant is little right, and the end of tareyton is ton which is a lot in my view. Or say if your brave and in the wood. Could be if your petrified and turned to stone. This is why I put it out to get ideas. As for what lines, this might be too much for most but I would say 4 5 and 6 maybe as above so below.

      • It takes a long time to learn to ride the backward bike – so this opposite suggestion reminds me of riding a backward bike…

        ….a little too much imagination. IMO

    • Jasper: excellent find! And not cross-connection with tarry scant. Yet another example of Forrest reversing a phrase — a recurring theme. Tony Bennett lyrics, bumper sticker on Mz. Maven’s truck, backwards fishing quote about the allotted time of man, reversed line from Alan Seeger’s Rendezvous with Death, mirror-reversing in the end papers the illustration of Peggy from within TFTW, mirror-imaged and zoomed photo inset of the trees in TFTW page 31, and on and on…

    • Kind of like “There’ll be no paddle up your creek” is a variation of “Up the creek without a paddle” ?

      • Ya’ll basically talking idioms…
        Such as the line; “there’ll be no paddle up your creek” simply means a difficult situation. However, the line’s intent may not refer to a “hard” or “hopeless,” as much as a description of an area that no water is present..

        Using the line in this manor;
        Between a rock and a hard place… A narrow passage?
        In a bind… which can be a box or a hole or tight fit?
        Creek… to mean a narrow passage [ but necessarily with water present- however- it doesn’t change the line to the original ‘possible’ intent of a geographical spot, that matches the description/interpretation of:
        No paddle needed for this leg of the trip…just a tight fit, between a rock and a hard place, walking thru a narrow passage way.
        The need for two trips? [ hard to carry a 42lb 10″ chest]
        The reason to leave your partner in the cars?
        fits one person at a time, walk thru?
        No place for the sheepish?
        Hidden vs. buried, but debris can blow in-there?
        Gone alone in there?

        Look at it this way… a canyon is huge, a creek is small… but to an Ant; a creek is a canyon. Not unlike fenn’s canyon groves hands or blocked out Philly with just a thumb?
        like they say in the real estate business… perception, perception, perception… or something like that.

  76. In the “Got Milk” ads everyone has a blaze on their upper lip too. By the way I’d walk a mile for a camel.

  77. Here are words that are hidden in plain sight in the poem. These are letters than are in a row. The first is Ha in “have”, get what I’m doing? Maybe this helps someone with a key word that isn’t in the poem but yet is in the poem.

    ha one one lone here
    sure old
    cank here
    wand do dold(iffy)

    gin here arm shalt
    tin can dow
    fa art towa(indians)
    tin be low me brow

    fro om the he here lace ace eek
    sever draw raw wing
    here addle our reek
    he loa sand ate

    bee fo
    own our que ease
    butt tar can’t
    hest stand tan pea

    sow sit hat
    rove oral see eek
    read now
    don ire ired red Dan we

    ear meal land list go
    our for fort twill I’ll wo wort he old
    yo rave din he wo woo
    I’ve yo it let tot old

    It’a not complete, I left out a word or two that are beneath the level of our discussion. You may find others.

    Lugnutz

    • Tight focus, or hocus focus, Lug?

      Like tent in conTENTment and tan in MonTANa? Fun during the commercials.

        • Wasn’t asking, just sharing, Lug. I’ve gotta get better with words and punctuation marks. I’m still at square one. Weird addiction. Maybe addition or lure is the word that is key. Naw, it’s LIST, if you get my drift matey.

  78. H.A.L.T.
    Lot’s of places and most are north of SF
    Not a man made dam,( leveling the playing field)
    State of NM dpt of Fish and Game Reg.
    Therefore, a few could be emailing with same line of thinking but in different search areas, still using same word that is key.
    IMO
    I called CW today and was assured my order would be on it’s way today! I think they must have been using alphabetical order, lol I’m a ‘Q’!

  79. We just got our books TTOTC and Once Upon a While. Did Forrest draw stick figure pictures in your signed copy? He did ours, it’s awesome.

    • Yes, the stick figures are in all copied – yes, they are awesome. Hope you enjoy the books. If you do not have it, you will have to get “Too Far to Walk” next – JDA

      • He drew a stick figure with a dress chasing another stick figure and personalized with our names. It was not copied.

        • That’s really cool! I still have not received my books and I’m an “A” or sometimes a “P” but I also have a “Z” in my name so they must be going by that 🙂

        • Hello 1Trailblazer. You have yourself a special book. The two books I ordered are only signed by Mr. Fenn.

          • Wow that is great, we had tickets to the signing but couldn’t make it to Santa Fe.
            Thanks

  80. I used Bing Translator to translate the poem to Greek, and the only part that had dual omegas was: “I already know” which translates to: “ΓΝΩΡΊΖΩ ΉΔΗ”.

    • Re; double omega, was recently wondering if it had to do with the Paul Harvey radio show where he ends his program by telling a story, and then saying, now you know the rest of the story….! There’s and ending and then another ending…..we might never know but I don’t think it has anything to do with discovering the TC, IMO.

      • If Alpha Omega is “the beginning and the end” then double Omegas literally means “the end is the end”.
        Like the end of the trail is the end of the search.(?)

        • I always looked at the double omega as symbolic of Forrest having faced death in the eye once, not having to meet him just yet, but knowing that he will eventually. I believe that the double omega to be a symbol of Forrest’s gratefulness for a second lease on life, and of a reluctant acknowledgement of the fact that death cannot ever be completely avoided in the end.

          • Something that we can all take note of, by the way. Every day of our lives is a blessing. I believe that Forrest knows this better than most of us.

          • Blex,

            I’d like to offer a correction to what you said about Forrest facing death once, which I assume you were referring to his battle with cancer.

            The way I see he escaped death several times. Twice related to when he ejected from his plane in Laos. He actually survived the ejection process and a landing thru the tree canopy. Then the B-52 bombs that narrowly missed him while he was awaiting rescue. Then add to that his crash landing in S. Vietnam where he said “But in that case, any landing you could crawl away from was a good one.” – Richard Eeds Show, 5/29/2015

            Pinatubocharlie

            Then in SB

          • You make good points there, Pinatubocharlie, however I wouldn’t call that a “correction” as much as a different idea.

            Yes, Forrest faced the possibility of death during the Vietnam War, as well as other times such as when he jumped off the bridge over the Leon River or got lost in the wilderness around Yellowstone, however I believe that the cancer diagnosis was different from his other past brushes with death. Forrest had a doctor tell him flat out that he was going to die, along with an estimation of how much time he had left to live.

            At any rate, you present some other possibilities regarding the double omega. I could easily see it as representing the 2 times his plane was shot down during the war, for example. Whatever personal secret is behind Forrest’s double omegas, I do not think it is necessary to know in order to find the Treasure.

    • randawg -.Excellent find!

      So Y is it that I must go:

      Y is the Greek letter Upsilon:

      Upsilon is known as Pythagoras’ letter, or the Samian letter, because Pythagoras used it as an emblem of the path of virtue or vice.[8] As the Roman writer Persius wrote in Satire III:

      and the letter which spreads out into Pythagorean branches has pointed out to you the steep path which rises on the right.[9]

      Lactantius, an early Christian author (ca. 240 – ca. 320), refers to this:

      For they say that the course of human life resembles the letter Y, because every one of men, when he has reached the threshold of early youth, and has arrived at the place “where the way divides itself into two parts,” is in doubt, and hesitates, and does not know to which side he should rather turn himself.

      My steep path rises to the right, after I cross my Double Omega Island:

      The answers I already know,
      I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak.

    • randawg -.Excellent find!

      “So Y is it that I must go,”

      Y is the Greek letter Upsilon:

      Upsilon is known as Pythagoras’ letter, or the Samian letter, because Pythagoras used it as an emblem of the path of virtue or vice.[8] As the Roman writer Persius wrote in Satire III:

      and the letter which spreads out into Pythagorean branches has pointed out to you the steep path which rises on the right.[9]

      Lactantius, an early Christian author (ca. 240 – ca. 320), refers to this:

      For they say that the course of human life resembles the letter Y, because every one of men, when he has reached the threshold of early youth, and has arrived at the place “where the way divides itself into two parts,” is in doubt, and hesitates, and does not know to which side he should rather turn himself.

      My steep path rises to the right, after I cross my Double Omega Island:

      “The answers I already know,
      I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak.”

        • JBL – You are most welcome. It is posted multiple times, because something in the first couple of attempts sent the posts into moderation. Those attempts were eventually cleared, however, which I didn’t expect.

        • I drove a Fiat 500X on my last search and it was a very suprising and capable SUV.
          Since Fiat began re-importing to the US in 2012 it’s unlikely that Mr Fenn used one to hide his chest.

          • randawg – coincidentally, i recently purchased an old Fiat Bambino, and was mortified to find that the previous owner had stashed a stolen motor in the trunk!

            same thing happened when i bought a ’68 VW Beetle shortly there-after 🙁

            ..i mean, what are the chances right?!
            🙂

          • Well George we live in perilous times. Is that because everyone is ignoring a poem? If not a Citroen I would guess a Bugatti.

          • Sparrow – initially i guessed he drove a Lambo Countach, but soon realised that there’s just no room for a small chest in the back tbh 🙁

            now i abso-know that he musta vanished to his secret carpark in a white ’70 Dodge Challenger for sure!!

            ..i mean, didn’t they even make a movie about it or something?? 🙂

          • Make of the sedan he drove? Eliminate a Yugo – it wasn’t rated to carry an extra 42 lbs.

            Now, why is it important to know what he drove? Whether a Buick or whatever, it seems a waste of good mental calories focused in an area that doesn’t matter. IMO

          • I keep telling my family that I’m hilarious, but they don’t believe me. They just shake their heads at my bad puns. So, thank you. 🙂

          • You were probably telling someone else that you like their humor and were shaking your head at mine. The story of my life.

          • JBL – you just leave ya funny-dial right where it is young Miiss!! ..as it’s totally obvious that your family are all crazy and wouldn’t recognise good humour if it jumped outa their cereal bowl (Alien style) on a quiet sedate morning imho
            – and yes, of course you’re hilarious!! 🙂

            ( ..tsk tsk – secretly shakes my head 😛 )

          • CH—–

            Vanishing Point was a great movie. Wasn’t the guy’s name Kowalski? I think you nailed it. Forrest used a 70 Challenger. lol

          • Well, CH, I’ve decided that if I were to be the finder of the chest, AND someone was going to make a movie about the Chase, I would like you to write the screen play and I would like to be played by Melissa McCarthy. She would have to show up at the treasure site riding a dark horse.

          • JBL – Melissa who?! nope, never even heard of him ..besides, i’ve already booked Lucille Ball for that part, fyi

            and Sparrow is currently canvassing Barry Newman to play Forrests part

            Fact!! 🙂

          • Sorry for the delay, a little nuisance called sleep got in the was. Lucille Ball works for me, Also, I don’t know anything about cars, but I think F drove a Dodge so that he could get the heck out of it. Ba dum bum CHING!

    • randawg -.Excellent find!

      “So why is it that I must go,”

      Y is the Greek letter Upsilon:

      Upsilon is known as Pythagoras’ letter, or the Samian letter, because Pythagoras used it as an emblem of the path of virtue or vice.[8] As the Roman writer Persius wrote in Satire III:

      and the letter which spreads out into Pythagorean branches has pointed out to you the steep path which rises on the right.[9]

      Lactantius, an early Christian author (ca. 240 – ca. 320), refers to this:

      For they say that the course of human life resembles the letter Y, because every one of men, when he has reached the threshold of early youth, and has arrived at the place “where the way divides itself into two parts,” is in doubt, and hesitates, and does not know to which side he should rather turn himself.

      My steep path rises to the right, after I cross my Double Omega Island:

      “The answers I already know,
      I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak.”

      • Lisa C, I just found your up-thread comments to me. Thank you. All very interesting… I too stumbled about with that beacon/beckon thing a few years ago. I loved the Beowulf link, loved the info, but don’t think its a part of ff’s plan. However, once you know stuff, you just start using it and don’t filter it out. So, Beowulf & all that arcane stuff is a maybe. Anyhow, its fun to visit it all. I really like your lines of imagining, connecting, linking, reaching, and, your willingness to share. I found heraldry a good source for some interpretations too. Thats where I expanded my understanding of ‘listen good’… Old landscaping terms bore fruit, and lately, my understanding has taken a more maritime jaunt. I think you destination location is a very strong maybe. (I don’t get overly attached to places since I have bounced among so many already, but your location has come back to me a couple times as insight accumulates.) I’ll never be bog but I’ve got a lot of confidence in you girl. OS2

  81. Ω is the 24th and last letter of the Greek alphabet and poem has 24 lines.In Maths,infinity has a symbol of Ω omega.Finally,Jesus Christ claims: “I, the first and the last, the beginning and the end” Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega (Revelation 22:13). In my opinion maybe FF means,Garden of the Gods in Colorado Springs.And take it in the canyon down,red rock canyon,open space.Then,no place for the meek,fairview cemetery, no paddle up your creek,Bear creek..Just heavy loads and water high,Seven falls and so on with BOTG.Oh,the key word? maybe old, for old colorado city or warm for springs.Hint of riches new and old, N orth,E ast, W est and old Colorado City.Good luck and stay safe!

    • Hi, George. The areas you are describing are practically in my backyard, and I don’t consider to be strong candidates for search areas. They are all pretty crowded hiking spots and I consider most of them to be just barely within the Rocky Mountains. And how does WWWH fit in with Garden of the Gods? You seem to have dropped WWWH out of the equation entirely and replaced with a vague reference to an omega. At any rate, those are all nice places to visit, so if you do decide to search around there it will not be a wasted trip.

  82. I’m new here so please bare with me, and obviously all below is my opinion only. I personally believe that there are a number of keywords in the poem. Some of them are more important than the others but none of them singularly will crack open the poem. I think Mr Fenn, when he mentioned the keyword, he referred to the one which will allow a searcher advance to clue 5.

    • Welcome LtleIndianGrl…sounds interesting. Let us know how it goes. Also…what makes you think Fenn’s comment was referring to advancing to clue # 5? Thanks for sharing

      • Hi ken,
        You taught me first good lesson here on this blog. I should keep my mouth shut if I’m not prepared to release any part of my solution. The keyword, that advances me to clue #5 is a crucial part of my solution and therefore I’m not ready to release it, as yet. In my solution, the clues are getting progressively harder (clue #1 being the easiest) and the last clues (clue #8 and 9) being the hardest. Clue #5 is very crucial in my solution. It takes searcher from descriptive to very abstract, multiple choice clues. Sorry, at the moment I cannot elaborate more.

        • Hi I’m Indian Girl.

          I like the enthusiasm you put forth. I like those who can share their excitement like you….it shows a positive attitude.

          But, how do you know your “nine clues” are the correct clues?

          Are you willing to post your version of the clues?

          Thanks and good luck to you.

        • LtleIndianGirl, welcome to the blog… thanks for your input on the keyword(s) within the poem….. good luck to you while you chase your dreams…… have a great day.. until next time… see ya

        • LtleIndianGrl –

          Hi.

          You can bring anything you want to this blog. I won’t speak for Ken but I know I will always press people to reveal more because it saves you and I the months until you find out we have already discussed your hint/clue/solve/location.

          Before I would ask you about your key I would ask about your list of clues. What do you consider the 5th clue?

          If you don’t want to tell us anything then I will end up wondering, like Ken, why you are here.

          Lugnutz

          • Lugnutz,
            I’m planing to release some of the clues eventually, and I have to do it just to find a BOTH search partner. You see, I am at disadvantage, unlike you I’m not able to search personally.

        • LIG… Forrest has said (somewhere) that the first Clue is the hardest and the rest get easier as they go along… just to let you know. it might be in one of the many H.O.B. blog pages here

          • James,
            My take on his words pertaining to this subject is somewhat different. If you solved the first clue, your search area goes from tens of thousands of square miles to about 400 (in my solve). So, the first clue is huge, but unfortunately in my solution. the clues are getting more difficult to decipher.

        • LIGirl…thanks for the reply. I was curious about your post because I believe their are particular words within the poem that are crucial to the correct solve. I would not classify them in the same light as the “word that is key” spoken of in Fenn’s comment about such. In that context…your statement does not jive with the info that is/was available at that time…but who the heck knows !
          As a side note; The Little girl in India isn’t supposed to be able to get past the first two clues…so why the heck are you working on the fifth clue? OK…just kidding.
          Good luck LIG !

          • Ken,
            Nice talking to you again . In my solution ‘the keyword ‘ is a real word from the poem, but my interpretation of Mr Fenn’s statement is somewhat different. This particular word from the poem can also be interpreted as a ‘key’ to start something new. This new start takes you to the second part of the journey. I’m also aware of his comment that you need BOTG to continue past second clue, but again I can reconcile my situation with the fact that when he released this comment Google Earth was a very crude tool. Since then, Google Earth progressed to a point that in my opinion it is easier to progress to 3rd clue using Google Earth than BOTG.

        • welcome to HoD LIG – and yes, you have just as much right to be here as anyone else, whether you’re being black-mailed for vital info or not

          but please avoid giving Lugnutz any further hints, as being naturally clueless seems to suit him more, imho
          🙂

          • LIG –

            You should know from the start that Curious Hobbit is not a person. It’a a random nonsense generator running on Windows 99.

            Lugnutz

  83. I m glad i got to the bottom of this page wow i forgot the topic my brain just went through the ringer i think i need a guide to navigate oh a word that takes me to a place there are a few like one the summit up the stairs is the landing spot or the top there is warm water around but its below not above how can you have a word that doesn’t mess with the poem finding the treasure even with this word will be difficult.

  84. ok with that said. wish me luck, Im going treasure hunting today in the sunny rocky mountains its good to have a driver its safer that way stay safe and have fun good wishes to all