158 thoughts on “The Key Word…

      • Hma,
        How did you come about with the word that is key?
        If you think it’s not in the poem, I would have to think it must be from the books or interviews or SB’s?

        Let me in on your thought process here.

        • Jake – I have stated this before but will do it again. I didn’t say it’s not in the poem. I said it’s not one of the words in the poem. That doesn’t seem like much help but I guarantee you that it makes perfect sense. When f said he felt like an architect writing the poem he was spot on!

          • He said he FELT like an architect Hma,
            He never said he is or was.

            I feel like a rocket scientist right now but may feel like a kaboom tomorrow.

            I think you’re reading too much into his statements & putting too much weight on other things that are not the poem.

          • So, what are there, 166 words in the poem? How many different letters? So, I guess that whatever that number is, we can make up “A” word that is key???

            If you say so HMA, that is the only way I can make sense of what you say. ” I didn’t say it’s not in the poem. I said it’s not one of the words in the poem”

            So, If it is not a word in the poem, we can exclude those 166 from all of the infinately possible words that we can create from the letters in the poem????

            The only other possibility is that you are using punctuation as a word that is key – Period, comma, Question Mark or semi colon. Interesting,

            My guess would be Question or period??? JDA

          • Jake –

            “He said he FELT like an architect Hma,
            He never said he is or was.”

            Yes, he said he felt like an architect. Yes, there is a difference between having a degree and not. If it was up to me, he would get an honorary degree in architecture. If you are able to “see” what Fenn has constructed you would agree too.

            Since my first attempt to solve the poem turned into just a vacation, I’m working extra hard this time around to find a little box called Indulgence.

          • Hma,
            It has nothing to do with having certification or degree.

            You say: ” If you are able to “see” what Fenn has constructed you would agree too”

            I guess I’m just to stupid to see & you’re the only one that can.

            You know what I see?

            Someone blinded by there own thoughts where they dream of having the chest when they don’t.

          • JDA –

            Punctuation doesn’t have anything to do with the key word or word that is key.

            It was when I stopped reading the poem and started seeing the poem, that I discovered the word that is key.

          • Jake –

            “I guess I’m just to stupid to see & you’re the only one that can.”

            It takes adjustment to see thing differently. Why do you think f wanted us to watch the video about the bicycle that operated differently than what we expect or want? I never said you were stupid. I’m also not the only one who can “see.” F has said that certainly more than several have figured out the first 2 clues so if I am right, then I most certainly have company.

            Apparently my suggestions to you are not helpful. I don’t think Miss Ford was able to help F much either according to his report cards. 🙂

          • Nevermind Hma,
            If you don’t want to chat about the word that is key, then go to the appropriate page.

            I’m getting tired trying to wrangle you sidewinders in.

          • Well HMA;

            I guess that we will all just have to wait until you find the TC, then you can SHOW us how wise and smart you are, and not just hear about it. JDA

          • Jake–
            I’ll give an example of what HMA is saying. I’ll make up a sentence:
            “Justice and knowledge erode where anarchy reigns”.

            Now, Jake, you are part of my sentence without being a word in my sentence. I have used by architectures wording to ensure you are there. Does this make sense?

          • Yes I see Sparrow,
            But I have not found any real words or names in the poem when doing this.
            I think this method is good for those that can’t see the 9 clues.
            I see them as clear as day.

          • Jake—-

            Fully understood. Just wanted to give an example. I know you have your understanding of the poem and respect that. All the best to you in the New Year, and happy hunting. 🙂

          • Jake, Sparrow’s example is quite relevant. This is a technique for disguising a word in plain sight, and it isn’t even original. The very first armchair treasure hunt (Masquerade) used this form of steganography, and I think it’s a safe bet that Forrest is well aware of Kit Williams’ work. I don’t know why everyone is so resistant to entertaining the possibility that Forrest has done something similar. Not identical, mind you — that would have been found in the first week. He came up with something original. All in my opinion, of course, but it will be your opinion too when you figure it out.

          • This is nothing new to me Zap,
            There are many ways to come up with words in the poem or any piece of text.

            In fact it’s not new to anyone that has half a brain.
            It makes me wonder about you & others that try to shed light on a star.
            My mind is open as the universe is infinite. Remember that & you might get me.

            You can use this method until you realize the real deal.
            It’s only worth is what you are willing to pay & I’m not paying anything.

          • “This is nothing new to me Zap, There are many ways to come up with words in the poem or any piece of text.”

            Yes, of course there are. But that hardly disqualifies the technique.

            “In fact it’s not new to anyone that has half a brain.”

            And yet, you haven’t found it, so you’re taking your frustration out on me.

            “My mind is open as the universe is infinite. Remember that & you might get me.”

            I’m sure you’d like to think so, but you have made a judgment call that Forrest couldn’t have done what I have eluded to. Suppose for a moment — just for a moment with that infinitely open mind of yours — that he ~did~ do exactly as I’ve described. You would then have to consider the possibility that failing to decipher that first clue correctly could actually make solving the poem impossible.

          • Hearmeall,
            I’ll be honest. It’s a hard sell for many when you say; a word that is key is not a word in the poem but is in the poem.
            Although, the simple straightforward groupies may not get it… I think the example might kick start a thought or two.
            “Begin it where warm waters halt…” One could interpret a word that is key to relate to the word[s] death / demise / passing / end… well, maybe not end, that is in the poem.

            Is this a good example of what you’re saying HMA?

          • It could be “nigh;T”
            Since a semicolon means that the following relates to the former.

            He did say bring a flashlight.
            “The end is ever drawing night. Here will be no paddle up you creek”

            Idk, just throwing a word out there that is not in the poem but is in the poem.


          • Seeker –

            Please excuse my tardy reply. I was detained in principal Fenn’s office. No switching, just needed to focus on other things. 🙂

            “I’ll be honest. It’s a hard sell for many when you say; a word that is key is not a word in the poem but is in the poem.
            Although, the simple straightforward groupies may not get it… I think the example might kick start a thought or two.
            “Begin it where warm waters halt…” One could interpret a word that is key to relate to the word[s] death / demise / passing / end… well, maybe not end, that is in the poem.

            Is this a good example of what you’re saying HMA?”

            That is not a good example of what I was referring to. If you go back and read what Sparrow shared with Jake it’s a good example of what I was implying. Of course there are always those that will choose another approach, so I can’t force anyone to see what I see. The chase boils down to two approaches or possibly three depending upon your take.
            1. The chase involves a lot of physical challenges.
            2. The chase involves a lot of mental challenges.
            3. The chase involves a combination of both.

            On this chase, I believe that it involves more mental capacity than anything else. Right or wrong that is what I see.

          • HMA,
            I guess my next question with the example would be… how do you choose a certain amount of words, whether a line or sentence and where it’s located within the poem?

            One could say the first stanza or first line in the first stanza.
            Another could say start at ‘begin.’
            Another would think ‘If you been wise…’
            Sill it could be the line or sentence from the question with the answer.
            Or even ‘ So hear me all and listen good or any part of stanza 6.

            This gives many possibilities that still needs narrowing down. How did you seemingly narrow it down without guessing?
            Not to mention the example could provide multitudes of words from that example itself.

            I’ll also ask, Why stop there [at just a word that is key]? There are 9 sentences… If this theory was plausible, it would be plausible for 9 individual words from each sentence could give the exact location.

            Seriously, groups of code breakers have attempted this poem with no avail. What make your idea the correct one? At some point an explanation is needed… just saying it, doesn’t provide information for feed back.

            Just saying…

          • HMA—–

            I appreciate your answer to seeker’s question. Great architecture in the poem conceals many important hints and clues, and it definitely is mentally challenging to say the least.

            Having only recently narrowed down my search area, I continue to marvel at all that is hidden in what appears to be a simple poem. It is a truly amazing piece of work! 🙂

          • Seeker –

            One could say the first stanza or first line in the first stanza.
            Another could say start at ‘begin.’
            Another would think ‘If you been wise…’
            Sill it could be the line or sentence from the question with the answer.
            Or even ‘ So hear me all and listen good or any part of stanza 6.”

            Those are all interesting choices Seeker. However f has told us to use logic and “think”. It doesn’t get much more clear than that. Without spoon feeding you the information, now is the time where you must take what you have learned and apply it. Logic.

    • I think his special place is that a very special place and i think it may be the word “there”. When you see the blaze you go into “there”. I doubt you can see the blaze from where the treasure is hidden. That’s why people walk right by it as Forrest has said. “Look quickly down, your quest to cease But tarry scant with marvel gaze,” The blaze must be an awesome sight which blindly leads searchers away. Don’t go towards the light! “There” Not on a hill side behind a tree but in a 3D physical heavenly space. So if your blindly searching areas just think of one thing. Would you want to rest your bones there? My humble opinion of course.

  1. The Word(s) that is key, for me, is “The wood”

    A very obscure definition of these two words, when taken
    as one, directs me to a geographically definable spot in WY.
    From here, the quest begins. TRY to STAY SAFE ALL in 2017

    Happy New Year – JDA

    • JDA – I must say that geography is crucial when solving the poem so we agree on that. Where we differ is that my key word or word that is key is not one of the words in the poem but I could see it in the poem. It didn’t have any obscure meaning either.

      Happy New Year to you JDA!

    • Mine too on “wood”. Only it was the second clue. The first was the I’d inside the cover that read “attach photo or thumbprint here” I found that thumbprint “in the wood” on the left side of the picture of him and June chopping wood in the book. I literally cut it out and attached it and moved on to the next instruction I found. Lots to be found in the “wood”….and heard too, if you listen to his directions. IMO of course.

    • JDA—–

      I was just curious. One very archaic meaning of “wood” is to be “mad” or “crazy”. I know you won’t want to share the exact thing you speak of— but does it have anything to do with the head at old definition of wood?

      The poem could then actually be saying “If you are brave and crazy enough to accept where the treasure is hidden, then I give you title to it”.

      Just curious if you had ever thought about it in that way.

    • If we can break down this word & get useful info to help us with the clues in finding the treasure or helping with the 9 clues, then I can see its value.

      The only thing I can get out of “treasures” is Montana, the Treasure State.

      • Hey Jake,
        Happy New Year to you.
        I was trying to relate to what Sparrow told you ,to the first stanza.
        Now I don’t believe in this stuff ,but take the corner letters a,e,a,d and Google that..

          • Just sent you an email eaglesabound,
            Check it out & let me know what you think.

          • Jake –

            “Yea, I just don’t see F playing around like that.
            I hope not anyway.”

            Do you think f is going to make finding the chest easy? Just because he got D’s and F’s in school doesn’t mean that he didn’t figure things out. Look at how well he operated his gallery. He obviously was able to figure out what mattered. Is it possible that the poem is a mirage?

          • Hear me all,

            D’s and F’s. That reminds me of a true story.

            When I was in a college chem class I ran into a guy my brother went to high school with. When I told my brother (4 years older and a A-7 pilot in Nam too) about Butch, he was shocked, saying Butch was like a total dud scholastically.

            Well, to make long story short, since my brother had known him, Butch had married and had at least one kid. He graduated from Cal Berkeley with a 4.0 in electrical engineering and then went to Stanford for his Masters. After completing his Masters he was immediately hired by HP and they sent then him back to Stanford for his PhD.

            So yes, I agree. There is no doubt in my mind that with the right motivation, anyone can become an achiever.

        • eaglesabound,

          On that same a,e,a,d theory, the sentence “So why is it…” spells out SOAK (to immerse in liquid), and the sentence “If you are brave…” spells out I DID. Those 2 sentences do have something exclusive in common in that they are the only 2 line sentences with no commas.

          Jake, this reinforces your in water theory, are you a believer now? Just kidding…

          • I’ve also been a seeker that thinks that one may need to get into water for the final search and locating of the chest.

            Shoot – for my first search – I actually brought a snorkel set.


            Water does seem to fit in the “tarry scant” category.

          • Thanks Mark,
            I got my underwater theory just from reading the poem in a straightforward way. No mumbojumbo here. I like all the letters & words in the order he placed them just fine.

    • Iron Will;

      If Forrest indicates that there is a word that is key, when he answered the following question, “1Q) My previous 6 questions were asked shortly before last year’s February 27th segment of the Today Show. Reporting on your extraordinary treasure hunt, it resulted in an explosion of new seekers from all across the world. What are some of your thoughts about the flurry of activity over the past year?  Did the excitement towards the Chase surprise you in any way? Does it make you think the chest might be found earlier than first thought?
      It is interesting to know that a great number of people are out there searching. Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key….”

      How is it that you can ignore Forrest’s statement? One of three logical possibilities exist. 1) Forrest is lying about the existence of a word that is key, or
      2) Your solution is not the correct solution. or
      3) Your solution is correct, but you have failed to identify a word that is key.

      Which one do you think it is Iron Will?

      I would bet on #2, but what do I know. JDA

      • “”How is it that you can ignore Forrest’s statement? “”
        I haven’t ignored any of Forrest’s statements… just yours, and Jake’s, and Seeker’s… well you get the point. And since you asked, it’s number 3. At this point, a “tight focus of a word that is key” is no longer needed, where I am concerned.

        • Well, good luck in finding the Word that is key. Without it, it is doubtful you will ever be able to claim the big prize…Just my opinion of course. JDA

        • “Think” is the word that is key to solving the poem.
          Without thinking, you accomplish nada!
          “Analyze” = tight focus
          “Analytical Thinking” is a MUST!
          Elementary, my dear Watson. The key word is not IN the poem, it’s how you SOLVE the poem!
          ( IMO – but I’m right)

          • With a few minor modifications I would like to repeat a post in SB 162 I recently made.

            My interpretation is that he is referring to a single word and I think I have found that word as it has served me well by first opening an important door, ultimately opening many subsequent doors. This has in turn led me to a a much better understanding of what I believe are the two enigmas behind the Chase. Kind of Yin-Yang so to speak. The poem (The Chase) and the underlying thought behind it.

          • Donna—

            Think is a good word to consider as “key”. Good, and in the realm of possibility, but I believe the word that is key may be something entirely different than that.

            It’s staggering how many interpretations there are for that word. Wish there was a way to nail it down. But “think” isn’t it I’m fairly certain.

      • “Key word” vs “word that is key”.
        To me they mean two different things.
        The first one to me says that there exists a special word that is planted into the poem on purpose like a decoder.

        However, the second one indicates that a word when understood properly , will reveal the meaning of the poem and will separate the correct path from the obvious ones.

        • UA –

          “The first one to me says that there exists a special word that is planted into the poem on purpose like a decoder. ”

          Do you remember where Forrest talks about the register guy in Important Literature who he thought was on something and he didn’t think it was Ovaltine? Seems to be a tie in with Ralphie and his Ovaltine decoder ring from A Christmas Story. 🙂

          Just using a bit of imagination on this end.

        • I agree UA – pretty much anyway. 🙂 I originally thought there was a single word in the poem that could lead to a complete solve if it were interpreted properly. As I read more and looked at maps closely I came up with a word outside of the poem that worked very well (at least in my mind!) to solve the poem and lead me to an area that seemed like an excellent place to hide Forrest’s treasure. And it seemed to me that the word also had a connection back to a word in the poem. Unfortunately, it’s difficult to spend time traveling to the location I’m interested in so I will just have to be content with reading about other searchers and their adventures.

          Happy New Year to all you Searchers! I hope one of you can find that treasure during the coming year and let us know where it was. I would love to know if my solution was any where near correct! 🙂

          • Sparrow – To me the word that is key or key word will narrow the area to be searched down to a manageable size. Just considering the vast expanse of the Rockies in the 4 states in play and knowing that there are many places WWWH, one really does need a key word in order to narrow the focus. At least that is how I feel. I know others would rather take a stab in the dark or pin the tail on the donkey. That approach is fine but will only work with divine intervention IMO. As for the key word or word that is key being able to help you understand the poem, I think in a small way it does, however it won’t reveal enough to give you all the answers.

          • HMA—-

            I agree there— I don’t think you’ll solve the poem with one word either. But it will open a door.

          • “I don’t think you’ll solve the poem with one word either. But it will open a door.”

            …and once again….we have another reference to the poem as a whole.

            …and once again, I will reiterate one cannot achieve anything without understanding the importance of a poem, which is a large “blaze”/trail/path/direction one must take in order to be focused on the end result…..all the while…..while you are physically on this same “blaze”/path/direction.

            Am I the only one who literally sees this?

            FF – paraphrased – “serious thought to the clues in my poem then “only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key”….

            I stand firm…..it is logical…..simple…..expressive…..detailed…..explanatory….exact.

            One must look for a path (“blaze”) to begin. One must use the path (“blaze”) they find. One must use the poem (“blaze”) to achieve the goal. One must utilize trails (“blazes”) in the wildnerness to achieve the end goal.

            There are just too many “requirements” of the “blaze” to discount this way of thinking…..but whom am I to let others in on this thinking……I’m just a guy in Albuquerque who has only gone on one physical search, huh?


            Good luck to all!

  2. IMO, the word that is key is not in the poem and can only be seen with a magnifying glass.
    Tight=closely fixed in place
    Focus= zoom in

      • Well Sparrow, if your not using a magnifying glass, you’re missing a whole bunch of stuff in the book. F is a very clever fellow. IMO of course, but suit yourself.

        • Eagle–

          My apologies. I’m not sure why but the majority of things I read make me think of humorous things (humorous to me I realize). I have no doubt that using a magnifying glass could yield fruitful results. All the best to you and in your search. 🙂

  3. I was flying a simulator the other night Due North of Fanta Fe.
    Did not Forest say at one time years ago that he traveled North of Santa Fe and it took him around 45 Minutes to get to the site where he placed the treasure?…….

    I was flying a piper cub at 80 notts and around 38 minutes stopped, I was almost to Ojo Caliente on 285 North. I will look around that area, and No Iam not the expert…LOL…..

    • I am not aware of Forrest ever having said:
      1) That he flew to the area
      2) That it took 45 minutes.

      If I were you, I would either come up with the quote, or not put any faith in the supposed quote. Just my opinion.

      Any one out there ever heard of this? JDA

      • JDA..Right he never said he flew out that way but I believe a few years ago some where I read or possible an interview he said it took him 45 minutes to drive there.. Good talking with you JDA and sorry for getting off task here on the word. But I read up in some comments WY may be visited and that came to mind.

        It’s been a while since I’ve taken notes and posted. I find myself as everyone else still thinking and figured I would fly the route the other night maybe taken by Fenn….with some sort of equivalent made in his vehicle trip.

        • He never said anything about 45 minutes, driving or flying. In Moby Dickens video he talks about flying his Piper Mirage from Santa Fe north 600-700 miles and landing at an airport that had rental cars.

          • He’s probably flown many different places over the years. I’ve read an article that said he’d fly in to Cody quit often. He was a board member to the Buffalo Bill Museum for a while as well and has donated several items to the museum including a cabin that I think Joseph Sharp had in Montana who painted Indian portraits and cultural life. Sharp was also a founding member of Toas Society of Artists. Cody area which is in the 600-700 mile range was a spot Forrest visited quit often. 633 miles crow flies. I think the deeper we go the crazier I get. Way to many connections everywhere.

          • Maconner;

            In TFTW there is a delightful story about Forrest flying into Lander, WY and spending two days on the Popo Agie river with a 14 year old guide. He then flies to Cody, and says that those FOUR days were the best of his life (paraphrasing – Sorry I have loaned out my copy of TFTW) Where did he spend the other two days before arriving in Cody??? Interesting. JDA

          • And Lander is the original location of Camp
            Brown. And is located in the Wind River Valley which the Shoshone refer to as Warm Water Valley. Wind River Valley is what we call it. They do not.


        • Earl, I very well could be wrong, but again, I do not believe he has ever stated that it took him any particular amount of time to drive. The only reference I am aware of to driving is this one:”Weekly Words Post June 17, 2016
          Dear Forrest, may I ask what type of car you used to go into the mountains to hide the Treasure Chest. ~ Bill
          Yes Bill, it was a sedan”. F

          Pdenver or anyone else, any help? JDA

          • JDA

            Im not sure. My brother has a copy I read while driving 24 hours to Montana last year. We had a wonderful time and are planning another trip this year! We’re getting our possibilities in order as well as vacation sites we haven’t seen. I’m getting in gear once again reading what I can. I read a post you made a day or so ago about the wilderness. I agree with you 100%. When asked about searching the mountains he replied by something to the effect of and need to search wilderness areas as well. We all know the Rockies are mountainous areas but why did he throw in the wilderness areas as well? The official wilderness areas, accessibility to these areas for an 79 year old person eliminates probably 98% of search areas. I hope I haven’t miss interpreted or misread something working off memory which isn’t my strong point. Throw in the 600-700 miles ring and narrows the area I’m looking at. He did start to say something in an interview and quit half way through a statement. It was enough to rethink a certain situation I believe he was referring. Just another rambler going on here. let me know if you find out about the other 2 days please!

    • I think you are right Heidini. The word IS KEY. And I think that eaglesabound is also right. In order to see the “key” you must use both the zoom feature on GE and also be centered in the focal point of a giant image of a magnifying glass. These things are not stated in the poem but the poem clues lead you to this location. And the key location is really “key” to solving the final 2 or 3 clues. If you are not in tight focus at this point you cannot be precise in your solution.

      Oh, and I think that many of you are confusing two statements from Fenn about the “key.” There’s “…a word that is key,” and there’s “The key word is contentment. Once you’ve found that everything else will already have fallen into place.” The “key word” is contentment.

      If you can’t find the word that is key AND the key word in your final search area you are probably not right in your solution.

      All of this is just no one’s opinion but my own.

    • John and Heidini,

      This is interesting. It seems a little more than coincidental that Forrest’s previous yearly interview related “word”, “Key” and “Contentment”.

      Another thing that can focus, is the EYE. It was posted several days before the “few are in tight focus with a word that is key” that the 9th letters in each line around line 13, give EYE and KEY.

      Still, I don’t believe the above two connections are enough to complete the meaning of Forrest’s quote.

      Happy New Year.

  4. after many arduous hours of study and contemplation, I have finally concluded that the only correct keyword must be:


    Happy New Years 🙂

  5. Greetings all,

    It has been awhile for me being into this poem and here here, actually a few months. It is a new year and perhaps a new thinking approach to this poem and keyword. I will share just a little bit of “new thought” process. Only because this website popped in my email suddenly after many months-today. So as follows:

    The Line- “put in below the home of Brown”

    In my Strong opinion the keyword in this line is the keyword for the whole poem and unlocks the rest of the poem.

    My keyword is HOME. Which in turn unlocks Brown then everything else for my solve unlocks perfectly but of course I won’t divulge other than pertaining to Brown.

    Home ,to me me means “to home in” . Keeping with Forrest war pilot history. ‘The missile will home in on its target” .

    So, to home in on Brown is ,to me, one person or more than one person named Brown that are all triangulated together. Meaning, we have Molly Brown of the Titanic, we have the woman with the blond hair for missile sight used in ww2 and we have Dan Brown. Within the poem looking at all three Brown’s as one clue they all lead in a trickle down flow so to speak with the rest of the poem-they all have a role in the poem. History, location and allegory all leading to the person that changed the world!!-riches new and old!!. Who were the people associated ,socialized and or directly/indirectly known by these persons named Brown and its all intertwined in life and era of the times that I believe the poem infers. Each Brown mentioned is all relative to the secret where! All Browns are separately related here but all of them unlock the clues in the poem. Just branch off the lives of each one separate from each other in investigation.

    HOME in on Brown and the rest of the poem is real easy for me anyways- very succinct .

    I live in Canada and won’t be searching. Unless I go on vacation to obvious area-not anytime soon.

    Happy New Year and cheers to new approaches to old problems.

      • Greetings OS2,

        Had to look up VonBraun, for I didn’t know whom he was. No, nothing to do with that fella. Thanks for asking though. Most will just probably ignore what I said lol. I realized this of what I said just in a AHA moment. Most key words in writing have 3 meanings. So, I looked at it with Brown by homing in. So, three Browns. Wow I thought. These three I thought of before fell away as I lost interest. Then I investigated their relevance later on one day and they were all connected in many ways separated but all pointed in a direction that lead me further and further .

        So, my reference to the person that changed the world ( I think that’s what you mean) had lead me to that person! That person has six clues in the poem! The three Browns lead to six more clues and I then easily found all nine. So, clearly in the poem without “trying ” to make them fit. It makes sense. Everyone thinks this of their thinking the same way in their own right. I could easily rewrite the poem the exact same way Forrest did with my AHA! So perfect how he wrote it. I did allot of open minded research.

        The “person” I am eluding to is someone in the last 150 years was alive and few know of them, but we owe much gratefulness to them. I am writing them as singular not plural for non gender sake. I am just shocked it took me this long lol. Too bad I am not able to search. I would have to be on spot to walk the solve and I would imagine it would take a few try’s.

        It’s a 7 year mystery so far. I hope someone finds it this year.

      • To OS2,

        OOPs. I was mistaken of which VonBraun you were referring to! Not sure the connection of what you mean by eliminated and several others BUT there is a name associated with that reference that is whom I am talking about! WOW, you are good!

    • my “hoB” also points me to a location that also fits with the other prior clues.

      IMO – “Brown” could be a key word too, because it gives you an exact location.

      Now could this key word actually be a pointer for the clues that follow the “key word” or is it a word that just helps you get to a location? This is something I am still trying to figure out.

      • Tim;

        For me, my word(s) that is/are key – “The wood” directed me to an exact area in Wyoming, that led me to an EXACT wwwh, which led me to (I hope) solving the puzzle. That’s how it worked for me. JDA

  6. I just want to wish all of you seekers a Very HAPPY NEW YEAR, and may it be a safe and prosperous one.
    And to you Dal, I wish to say Thank You very much for doing what you do for all of us.

    • Also, this is the only clue within the only sentence that has an emphatic phrase in the entire poem.

      “So hear me all and listen good,
      Your effort will be worth the cold.”

      • I’ll disagree….but jsut to bring in some additional information I relate to this one word – “cold”.

        IMO – it is a reference to a possible time of season….early spring / late fall….both are viable to search without the possibility of running into bears while searching. One would need to “brave the cold” to avoid the bears.

        – another possibility is that is a reference to “being in cold water” looking.

        – another possibility is that it may have a direct relationship to the elevation, as we all know the higher one travels in elevation, the colder it gets.

        Three different possibilities that only reflect a temperature or elevation change.

        If one applies this to the poem…..because FF thinks one “key” word could break open the poem and then have it perceived differently, I doubt it will do this……but……..IMO it is one of the nine “CLUEs”.

        Cheers and good luck this year.

        • All very good definitions of cold.
          If I might add another.
          Remember back when you played “Battleship?”
          “Am I hot?” – or “Am I cold?” – cold meaning, off target, or a ways away from the target. Could this mean not directly aligned with something, but a ways off of the target (The treasure)? Just a different possibility. JDA

        • Tim ~ “another possibility is that it may have a direct relationship to the elevation, as we all know the higher one travels in elevation, the colder it gets.”
          If one stands on the rim of the Grand Canyon, it’s much warmer, mainly due to direct sunlight, than in the canyon below. Wind current, water, shade etc. in the lower section help some for a temperature drop. [ this is true for most valleys, canyons, gorges etc. ] Native American used the higher elevations for dwelling in winter for this reason and hunt in the valley below. [ depending on the area in questioned of course ].

          Personally I think cold has many clever usages in the poem. Cold in the reward of the metal chest, all the failed attempts but a perseverance if and when you solve it. Cold as night to day. Cold as possibly a time of year to understand the solution but not needing to be done at that time. Cold can mean opposite of brave as a hint, but in this case, it may involve a more personal intimidation or superstition than actual bravery… Example; My blood turned cold at the sight in front of me.

          Honestly, the thought that one would need to be brave to ‘avoid bears’ is a bit overboard for me. I mean, for some darkness scares the crap out of them.
          Brave seems to be used by many, out of context with the poem, as bravery of the searcher.
          I think it relates to taking on the challenge itself, and possibly be meant for what a clue stands for… Example of this type of thinking; the Vietnam Veteran Memorial wall … not so much the searcher needing to be brave.

          Cold is one of these words in the poem… imo… has many usable meanings and not just a single meaning. Multiple Meanings and usages of words for interpretation.

          • Good points seeker….and thanks for posting them.

            I don’t disagree with those, I was only highlighting some of the more prominent meanings. FF uses multiple meanings for multiple things, thus we are only speculating….BUT…..this is where the fun begins…..it allows us to share – granted “vague” sharing in some cases – of those meanings and thoughts.

            A collaborative effort will help the one who finds the chest.

            If he/she is to do this on his/her own with NO HELP AT ALL from anyone, that would be quite an amazing feat. I don’t think it is possible.



          • Tim,
            I think it’s quite possible actually.
            Many searchers here today started at the time news medias pick up the story… mainly because of the value of the prize involved.
            While we all have the same information [ the book and the poem ] We searchers today have jumped into computer mode… I don’t think we’ll discover answers on the internet… I use it for easy access to what I need… maps and words meanings.

            I’m a believer that the poem tells the reader how to read it…. the hear me all and listen good part.

          • Hi Seeker, on the subject of “cold”, you replied to Tim (Zoso):

            “If one stands on the rim of the Grand Canyon, it’s much warmer, mainly due to direct sunlight, than in the canyon below.”

            I have to question whether you’ve hiked into the Grand Canyon before. I dare say it is almost never colder at the bottom of the canyon than it is at the rim. The G.C. does not have such sheer walls that the bottom is in shade most of the time. Maybe in the dead of winter the south shoreline of the Colorado River is in perpetual shade, but even so the 4,000-foot elevation difference is going to amount to at least a 12-degree boost for the canyon floor relative to the rim (and when I hiked it one Memorial Day weekend, the difference was over 20 degrees). Currently it is 36F in Grand Canyon Village at the South Rim; compare that with 53F currently at Phantom Ranch at the bottom.

          • “Often, chemotherapy leaves the patient feeling very cold. Just wanted to share that.”

            This is not entirely true.

            I went through three months of Chemo…..and granted, your immune system is depleted, and the depletion leaves the patient “seemingly cold”, it is actually just chills from the changing external temperature.

            With FF – his cancer was probably not extensive as mine was – which included a nine hour surgery. So, granted he is a cancer patient and in remission, I really can’t say how his treatment affected him, but you may speculate all you want.

            I don’t believe it to be an accurate assessment.

            Sure – there were also times I felt like I was trudging through mud…..but at the end of the day, I picked myself up and continued on in the journey. It surely didn’t hold me back.

            I now live on the edge…..just like Forrest.

          • Just to add—I said nothing about the “cold” holding anyone back. My comment was based on the poem saying “your effort will be worth the cold”—so not sure where you got the idea I was saying the cold would be an insurmountable obstacle.

  7. Happy New Year everyone.

    Thank you again Dal for all your hard work.

    And Mr. Fenn, thank you so much for the wonderful education.

  8. Even though I believe the “keyword” thing to be a total boondoggle, I did have a word that the application of confirmed the method, my progress and lead me to another key element.

      • colokidd – Don’t let the solitude get you down. As your moniker suggests, you are searching in CO? If not then what state? Out of all the RM’s I enjoy the Colorado Rockies the best.

          • colokidd –

            Enjoy the solitude but remember to be safe because we are never alone in the mountains.

            I think back to the vacations that I took in 2013, 2014, and 2015 to different areas of CO and those places beckon me to return but not until the chest is found. I did catch some very nice views of the CO Rockies this year while passing through.

          • Hma –
            I’m enjoying the solitude within the chase community not the mountains and I’m not fixated on any state just a location.
            Yes, CO is a pretty state to visit, ski and hike in.

    • To me Title refers me to the key word being in the title. Could be Chase and that’s a reference to Chase Ranch I Whyoming.


  9. I think the word is blaze, and it refers to a place you normally would not want to go. I hope all of you have a Happy New Year!

  10. As I have stated previously, I think the word “listen” is very important. If you listen well (good) to the poem, you just might hear what he is trying to say,

    Scott W.

  11. Originally Fenn mentioned “…a word that is key…” and folks have debated this to the ends of the universe. I would point out that all arguments are relevant because no one knows anything for sure. It may be wise to acknowledge that Fenn’s comments in the Round up over at MW may suggest that there are key WORDS that are relevant. After all…HE did look for KEY WORDS in the short emails….

    • Ken;

      I would suggest that the key words that Forrest looked for probably relate to the places that the poem leads you to, and not “Words that are key” found in the poem – Make sense?

      Just a thought – JDA

      • JDA…everything makes some kind of sense in this case…my point is that…now Fenn has broadened things by saying “key words”. He also never implied that “…a word that is key…” was definitely IN the poem. If he can look for “key words” in short emails to gauge things…whether places or not….does it not broaden things enough to imply that searchers should look for key words? Everything is open to interpretation….

          • JDA…No right or wrongs implied. Just struck me that in light of the surge in “key word” discussion “before” his comment…that he may have thrown that in there to mix things up a bit.

  12. Jake—- you’re in Florida right? Maybe the word is one of the Florida Keys. If so, you may have a distinct advantage over the rest of us. 🙂

  13. I’m staring at the keyword on my GPS as we speak. Just waiting for the snow to melt.

    PS had a blast learning about the Rockies and all the treasures it holds

  14. Re: a word that is key….as of now I don’t think about any magic word that unlocks the clues…just keeping it simple with any word that helps nail down the first clue…..if the word were ‘Halt’ then anther word for this is ‘freeze.’ I tend to agree with others regarding the word ‘cold’ and that being just plan on cooler temps/weather in the general area due to wind, rain and maybe having to get your feet wet crossing a stream a few times. I feel the TC is found by the 4th stanza. The marvel gaze is looking at the contents of the chest! Just my thoughts and subject to change as more is learned. IMO

  15. my key word … old
    Forrest web page old santa fe trading company

    Forrest daughter and her family own a company called oldwood
    His daughter and 4 grand children with the last name old.
    In his book TTOTC, page 25 Forrest made a statement about bad grades and all, they couldnt take away his name.
    His legacy will live on through his grandchildren.
    Shilo old, and his sisters do the packing and shipping of the books that are sold through his webpage.
    I believe he would want to rest in piece with his spirit overlooking his grandchildren and great grand children that come in the future.

    He has also talked about hiding from his grandchildren

      • Thanks JDA!,

        If I ever do BOG . Not quite there yet in my mind to do so. Very time consuming and expensive for me to go from Canada ( I am 6 hours drive north of Montana) and I am not looking at Montana. I need a couple more “winks” and clues to solve confidently yet for me to try.

        “riches” does key 6 of nine clues IMO.

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