Forrest Gets Mail – 11

 

Mr. Fenn,
I am a professional poker player living in Las Vegas… im 44 years old and I came to Vegas when I was 19 to pursue a career  in playing Blackjack… (not such a good idea btw) and have been here ever since. I received your book for Christmas (never heard about your story) and I will be trading in gambling on cards for gambling in the wilderness. Should be fun.

I recently purchased 10 books and have decided I need 10 partners and figured the best way to find 10 people I can trust* was to send it off to 10 inmates serving life sentences… figured they have the time and won’t be looking themselves😀😀.

I chose 9 men and 1 woman. I’m thinking my best shot is the Unibomer Ted Kaczynski.. as he is a pretty brilliant guy and also lived in Montana for a number of years… I have 1 question, Has anyone ever told you they were doing this also?

Hope this finds you well,

Brett

541 thoughts on “Forrest Gets Mail – 11

      • Still trying to figure out how it took him 19 years to realize it was not a good idea to start a career in gambling. Lol. Maybe he sucked at Blackjack, and was good at poker.

        Ted is in ADX with Terry Nichols. The guy is 44, and started when he was 19. 419 is the day of the OKC Bombing.
        There are four 10’s in the sentence, and 9 men, and 1 woman. That is also 419.

        419 is the area code for Toledo.
        419 is also the value of all the big bold capital letters in the TTOTC.

        Im not so sure that he has any communication with Ted, beings he is on 23 hr lockdown, in the strictest prison in the US.

        BTW the prison is in Colorado, just north of Rye.

        Whooo hOOOOO!!!

        There is more where that came from..

    • Hello all Im still alive and thinking this letter shows this is truly a school for every one our teacher Sir fenn is guiding the coarse well thank you Sir for helping my brain stay alive Im trying to get better ty

    • yes the unibomber he will come in handy when we cross that bridge,and the death row inmates is going to be great partners as I have been to jail for a short period myself,and it can be vey enlighting.your off to a good start.Good luck and good bye to sin city.

      • Thanks a lot! Glad your out! I am not sure people u DET stand LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE. All they have is time. And time is the best thing to solve this treasure. IMO

        I hope my end is as good as my start. Not leaving Sin city. But I will be spending a lot of 2017 in the Rockies.

    • If you think in the box… that’s where you will stay!. I would ask Hitler his opinion If I could.

      Knowledge is King. You can learn from anybody…. even the worst human being to have ever lived.

      I’m not judging anyone. I’m trying to find a treasure ..

      • Brett;

        You had one question – Has anyone else tried this. The answer seems to be “NO” – You have a unique idea,

        Has your unique idea worked? Has Ted or one of the other inmates given you any ideas? When do you plan on making a search for the treasure?

        Forrest has said not to search in the winter, will you wait until Spring, or do you think that it is safe to search sooner?

        Just askin’

        Remember my motto – Always TRY to STAY SAFE

        JDA

      • so Brett you would ask the worst human being in the world for his opinion?who would you consider that person to be if you were to choose one.Better yet why not ask the best person in the world?GOD that is the only treasure.Do you know him,or is that to far out of the box 4 u?

        • I don’t know who the worst person in the world is but if that person had information I needed I would ask.

          If god answered questions… I have a lot of them to ask.

          • I think the main thing to look for is analytical skill. That being said, maybe someone who concluded that the true villain of the world’s ills is technology; May not be the best person to find the solution. And I hear that God has always answered questions. In fact, God promises to reward everyone who seeks Him.

    • My son came home one day and told me he had seen a murder. He quickly added a murder of crows….. Maybe many with confidence will be eating crow?

    • I’m not looking to “trust” I’m looking to solve. All I was looking for was someone with free time on their hands. Can YOU think of someone with more time to solve then a man or woman serving life with out parole in a cell 23 hours a day….FOREVER?

      If you can… I’ll buy the books!

  1. Always lead with your highest bluff card…

    My first e-mail to Forrest was not so different, embarrassingly… and now I’m re-thinking my last one too…

      • Fair play, Brett. You have definitely caught the imaginations of many people here.

        You are disadvantaged by joining late, and so deserve extra kudos if you pull it off.

        • I actually disagree with this comment. Sometimes the best way to solve a problem is fresh eyes. Its what I believe Forrest was referring to when he said to have a child (new searcher) look at it.

    • I’ve had lots of luck. Good and bad. But luck won’t find the treasure . But it sure couldn’t hurt!! Thanks for your good luck! Back at you!

    • Yes it is. Also a good way to find out if ff has had anyone in the 7 years before I came along do it. For the record he said …..no.

  2. A bluff?

    jeez, I was severely tempted to write ‘something direct’ that probably would’ve eternally condemned me to ‘moderation’ and beyond ..past infinity even.

    thanks Donna M ..for saving my bacon.
    🙂

  3. This is the intro to a great movie. One of the inmates who receives the book, and over a period of months and years, requests more and more books about the geography and history of the Rocky Mountains from the prison library share. It being a minimum security prison, the Warden doesn’t have much to do and reviews the sudden increase in book requests. Being an avid fly fisherman who frequents the rivers and lakes of the Rockies, he takes an interest in the books himself, purchasing them privately and reading them in his office.

    One day, the prisoner turns up missing at night roll count. The Warden quickly reviews the prisoner’s communication logs. No phone calls or visitors, but a letter was sent several weeks prior to a Brett.. from Las Vegas.. Why does that sound familiar? He checks further in the file and finds that the original book, The Thrill of the Chase, was sent by a Brett in Las Vegas.

    The Warden orders a strict and thorough search of the missing prisoner’s cell. A scrap of forgotten paper reveals a series of numbers, GPS coordinates. But not all the numbers can be read; is that a 6 or an 8; Is that a 7 or a 1? Looking at a map, the Warden tries all the combinations and quickly narrows it down to 3 possibilities.

    A poker player from the desert, a car thief from city. Did they team up? Was the thief rebuffed by the poker player, escape, and hatch a solo plan to steal cars all the way to millions in gold treasure?

    The Warden calls the Sheriff, “Listen, you’ve got to take the lead on the manhunt for this escaped prisoner. I’m going to track down a lead on my own.” He then summons his two most trusted lieutenants. “Ok boys, don’t ask any questions just yet. I need you both to get home, grab a few changes of clothes, some good hiking boots, a shotgun and your service revolvers, gas up your trucks, and meet me back here in an hour.”

    “Oh, and pack some sandwiches..”

  4. Ah ha….after forty eight years of studying TTOTC daily for hours upon hours in his six by nine cell #756492367 of the New Mexican penal system comes up with the correct solve. Being acquitted by a lame duck president just hours before he vacates the office the once lifer makes his solo trip to the secret hideaway. With feeble hands shaking…he opens the box…he finds on top of the gold a faded and yellowed hand of cards…black aces and eights. The cards match the prison tattoos on his forearms as he has a massive heart attack and falls with his body covering the chest…justice is served.

  5. Interesting that this comes in right after some recent discussions here that involves moving the Chase along by collaborating ideas and teaming up….Perhaps this is a good example of what to expect if taking that route…

  6. Giving the unibomber ANY recognition is a sleight to his victims. Why would those serving a life term be looking to help you? The”easy score” mentality has no chance of finding this treasure. When I say “easy score” mentality I’m not referring to the lifers.

    • I don’t think his victims care. Also I don’t think I’m giving him any recognition . But you are entitled to your opinion of course. Who says they wouldn’t be willing to help? If you don’t ask … you will never know.

      “Easy score” mentality is not at all what I was thinking (I never thought you meant prisoners.. clearly it’s what you think I am doiing) I was only thinking about who has time and who would be intrigued. Also why assume this is all I am doing? Maybe someone that doesnt see the big picture will never figure out the poem.

      Maybe your right. But you could be wrong. From what I know in 7 years no one has found it. Good luck! Thanks for your perspective

  7. “Could an inmate working on this puzzle get any further than the first two clues, if in possession of the poem and Google Earth maps?”

    • + “Would an inmate working on this puzzle need to get any further than the first two clues to find the treasure – defining the first two clues as the same that the little girl in India could discover?”

        • It means that there is some important knowledge used to solve the poem that the little girl in India would obviously not possess .On the other hand Ted probably read all kinds of books and writings while he while waiting for the next time to strike . Anyhow, it is kinda dumb .

          • I agree it kinda dumb. It’s also kinda smart. It’s all how you look at it.

            Some would say hiding a treasure chest full of treasures and writing a poem that would lead a stranger to it is kinda dumb.

            Some would say it’s brilliant.

    • astree0,
      I agree. That’s a great point. If a little girl from India cannot get past the first two clues. How can an individual in prison do any better?

      Kanafire

      • Well a little girl in India is not going to think about getting past the first 2 clues. She is probably going to think about playing and eating.

        • We should also remember not to take Forrest out of context. He actually said that the little girl in India “… cannot get closer than the first two clues.”

          I think once you understand the way Forrest’s mind works, then you’ll understand that. Just a thought. 😛

    • Don’t know the answer to your question. But I do know tens of thousands have had the book,the poem and google earth and haven’t found it.

  8. Well this may work, those inmates have all the time in the world. Just maybe if they figure it out and lead Brett to the chest, he can cash it in and payback some tax payers. 🙂

    • Amy
      There’s noway this guy can pull this off. If the inmates find out that he is the one to find it, then there’s one thing he has forgotten. Family, Friends and partners on the outside. If he found the TC and a inmate helped he had better be ready to split it 50/50 or there will be some phone calls and letters being sent from the penitentiary. He might want to think this over. This could end up being his 1st and last treasure hunt. No wonder playing Black Jack for a living hasn’t worked out. He can’t see the “Forrest” for the Trees.
      Timothy…

        • Ted tells brother where treasure is????

          Do you think Ted would tell the man who told on him where a treasure is? I guess you do. Do you know if Ted even talked to his brother? Or if Ted has had communication with him since?

          Also what makes you think I am looking for him to solve the poem? Has it ever occurred to you that maybe I believe he would never actually solve it and in fact may never even get back to me? Maybe he would solve 1 clue. Trust me when I tell you I didn’t put any eggs in this basket.

          I understand this is a forum and everyone has an opinion… I like that. I just think some opinions are based on facts that are acuallly not facts at all.

          Good luck to you!

      • Timothy,
        If I find it … no one would know it’s me. Also look up the definition of partner …. ur assuming I meant partner as in someone I would be enclined to share my findings with. Also are you assuming that every death row inmate has family and friends on the outside? You know what they say about those hat ASSume right? When did I ever say playing blackjack for a living hasn’t worked out?

        If you came to Las Vegas when you were 19 and u never left and when you were 44 you were still living in Las Vegas making a living out of gambling and because of that you had the time and resources to take the next x amount of time to go treasure hunting … would that be considered … not working out?

        If so, your assumptions are correct! It hasn’t worked out and I never thought about a prisoner having family and friends and partners on the outside ….

        But what if I thought about all of that first? What if I came to LV at 19 to play black jack for a living, learned it’s impossible to play black jack for a living (well at one point it WAS actually possible but that’s another story) and found that you could make a living playing poker and betting on outcomes of events and then decided to go search for a treasure for the next however long it takes until I solve the poem or I find something else I want to do.

        Do you think coming to LV when I was 19 worked out?

        Good luck to you… I suggest you look at everything from every angle and assume nothing. Just my opinion.

        Thanks for sharing yours. You might be correct. But what if your wrong?

  9. Just for personal enrichment…I read a bit about Kaczynski because I only remembered bits and pieces about his activities before prison. Remarkable how intelligent and successful he was before going off the deep end. I do find it kind of creepy that there is a mock up of his remote cabin at a museum….I have to ask…what for?

  10. Searchers, due to health concerns I will not have BOTG any more.

    So I will try to help others.

    Forrest sent this for a reason. Why not other mail he receives? Because this is pertinent to the chase. This is a treasure hunt people. There are hints or clues in there.

    What are they? Some I think I know.

    Inmates live in the can. They are captives or convicts in a prison. Another important word is HOBBLE. Look it up. It literally means too far to walk. Also Halt. There is a hobble creek in Wyoming and there is a Brown gravesite there next to the creek on the map. Just south of the TRi basin. All very interesting. I never had a chance to check it out.

    Why do I think Inmate is important? In the map on page 99. look at it upside down. The second guy is walking towards a hill or mountain and all those mesh lines are a jail cell. There is a person in there if you look closely. Also just to the right is a bird in a triangular cage, jailbird. Also Penny in war for me wears a Hobble skirt. Lots of references to soda cans. All of the cap references and Canopy. I could go on and on.
    I don’t know all the answers but I would like someone to tell me if they find it. So I hope this can help some out.
    Interesting he says the unibomber, 1 bomb. Not sure what that is.

    Hope this helps others and remember this is a treasure hunt website. Forrest isn’t posting stuff to just post it and say hi. It means something!

    • I agree it seems stupid. I should have tried to gather 10 dead people and ask them. Or better yet ask victims that survived … do victims live in a cell for 23 hours a day for the rest of their lives….. hmmm.

      Good luck .

      • Twenty-three hours of being locked up in a cell and only one hour of seeing daylight. I would simply go crazy. I hadn’t realized they were locked up so long until doing the research.

        • Hopefully now people will understand why I chose prisoners (among others) to send this too. There is absolutely zero clues or hints to this. Also this was not the whole email… Also I feel obligated to tell this board that TK actually rejected the book so he will not be helping! But another notorious inmate excepted and will be reading and helping…. Bernie Madoff. And before there are 40 post with theories about Bernie and the treasure …. he is not a clue either. I don’t want someone turning his name into cordinets on a map Good luck!

          • also…while you’re available…maybe you could share the rest of the original email…? Or…is it off limits?

          • coordinates…. ken are you the spelling police or do you only understand words with the correct spelling. If you didn’t understand the word I meant I have a hard time believing you will ever understand the poem. Either way good luck to you!

          • yeah Brett…actually I think I was actually doing you a favor…before folks mistook “cordinets” and ran off to Wikipedia or something. Someone might think it’s code stuff or prison slang for fishnets ….but hey. How’s the card business ? win anything lately?

          • Your not helping me.. your helping some crazy person(s) on this board. I already helped them out by letting them know there are no clues in any email ff post. Even saying that I realize people are going to try and read into everything that is posted. Maybe if they spent more time on the poem they would be closer to the solve.

          • Brett

            I just don’t understand why you don’t have an honest go at solving this yourself.
            Blackjack may not be your forte, but maybe treasure hunting is (?)

            besides, if a man can hide a chest ‘alone’, a man should be able to find it in the same fashion, imho (& sometimes not so humble)

            I do sincerely wish you luck in your search (as I do all other searchers) but won’t condone the methods you employ.

            (btw, never poke a hobbit ..didn’t ya mama ever tell ya that?)
            🙂

          • I was never going to comment on anything you say since I believe your the craziest in here but since I’m sitting at the airport with time I will ..

            First good thing I was never looking for you to condone my methods. But I will say that if you post on a blog then your doing the same thing I am… your looking for other people’s opinions. I just chose to look elsewhere for mine but I do respect your opinion and if you want to think how you do over my ways… that’s fine with me!

            To help you understand … since you started your reply with “I don’t understand”… it took one man 14 years+ to come up with this… I don’t want to spend 14 + years to solve it. I believe everything I’m doing is honest and luckily I am my only judge.

            Sending the book to 10 prisoners or sending it to 100 college students studying literature is me actually solving this myself. If I went by what you believe I shouldn’t use a map or the book or a computer or ask anyone there opinion.

            And u clearly didn’t understand what I meant in my email to ff about blackjack.. that’s ok. It wasn’t meant for you.

            I do thank you for your nice wish!! I appreciate the good energy. I wish you all the luck too.

            Also I don’t poke Hobbits …Hobbits are a fictional, diminutive, humanoid race who inhabit the lands of Middle-earth that were made up by what I consider a shitty author. I have never watched/read Lord of the Rings and I never would.

            Good luck

          • haha, at least you, me and several of my most expensive psychotherapists agree on one thing 🙂

            I just hope that J.R Tolkien doesn’t read your comment – he might faint, seriously.
            (although, I’m more a Game of Thrones fan tbh)

            luck to you too.

          • TR died in 1973 so I don’t think he is reading… but I don’t think he would care about my opinion anyways… just like I don’t care about his.

            Thanks for the good luck!

  11. I wonder how he plans to pick the other nine? Or does he need to, if he has Ted Kaczynski? And nine men, one woman? Is he implying men have a better chance of solving the poem? How 2017.

    • Thanks …. I actually think the clever part is what I wrote on the inside of the book 😉 but I could be wrong. Good thing being wrong never stoped me. It’s how I learned right.

      Good luck…. fenboree is pretty clever yourself… how did you come up with the name? What were the choices before?

      • hhmmm …interesting

        sorta wishing I had a book right about now, esp one written by that elusive Fenn fellow..

        (what’s a ‘book’ thingy ken? it sounds familiar..
        and, more importantly, is it edible??)
        🙂

    • Whats even stranger…. while I was going to my channel and grabbing the link and posting this comment… Desertphile just commented above me. What’s strange about that? Look who the first comment of that video belongs to 😯

  12. Don’t the Watch Men read all the mail, for security and all? Just thinking about the big picture.

    You ever try your hand at Faro, Brett?

    • I played Faro in Fargo once. I also played it in a Tombstone ..

      This story is straight out of a Bret Hart screenplay ..

      Que Brada

    • I don’t think they are called watchmen but to your point…. sending a book and a poem is allowed in every US prison. In the Big Picture … the watchman are not looking for key words in poems… I think you know what they are looking out for. If you don’t … google it. Trust me it’s not the home of brown or warm waters!

      Good luck!

  13. All,

    “When someone finds that treasure chest, everybody’s going to say, ‘My God! Why didn’t I think of that?’”

    LitterateOne

  14. Let’s see 9 men, one woman and the Unibomber…humm = 911 = Information = SB 152 about BOY Calling Information. At the end pf this SB. Forrest posts the following: Life should be an illustrated search for hidden treasures, and not just a guided tour. f Does all of this connect together? It does for me.

    I think that the Illustrated search refers to the illustratION on pg 99, and that the Guided Tour refers to the guided missiles, and where they point – to an area above and to the right of the “Half Domed” rock.

    It may not mean anything to anyone else, but it makes sense to me. JDA

    • OOPS – brain not fully engaged. 911 = emergency, NOT INFORMATION. So, what is the emergency? Now that is a good question. Please disregard the above post – stupidity happens. JDA

        • I think he said he’s sending 10 books total….So thatd be Ted, a woman, and 8? Today is 1/11/17. And it’s mail bag 11.

          • Hello Jonsey1. It does seem interesting, yet the one thing I see that may not work with this thought is that it was posted yesterday, unless I’m missing something.

          • Your sorta correct… I did send out 10 books to prisoners… not 10 total. For what’s it’s worth.

    • JDA, did you see the arrow pointing straight down the side of the half dome you mentioned? I hope it’s “to cease” long.
      Roman numeral C = 100, 2 Cs=200 feet. Fits well with my solve and a thread Decall started a while ago about the Gypsy Magic picture on page 42 being the Blaze and hiding place, Thanks.

      • Challenger11;

        Sorry no arrow pointing down the side of my Half Domed rock. Sounds like you could be on to something though. Good luck with your solve. JDA

    • JDA,

      I think you have stumbled on Sept 11, 2001. The real 9/11. All this talk about unibomber and stuff…

      Is the Chase tied to Sept 11th? I have never made a connection but then again never tried.

      • My 911 was related to calling in an emergency – NOT 9/11 2001. To call the police or report an emergency, one dials 9 1 1 – 9 men + 1 woman + uni (one)

        I questioned whether Forrest was OK. He seems to be.

        Was there another Emergency we needed to pay attention to? I am not sure. JDA

  15. “Gold Fever” is a politically correct term. I understand why some people hunt alone. It’s called survival instinct.

  16. I must point out that there is a real chance this was posted because it is so strange and funny. Ever seen Naked Gun the movie? A guy falls to the ground from the top of the stadium and a marching band walks over him.

    Drebin’s partner says “Oh, that’s terrible. My father went the same way”.

    For this person to explain what he is doing (which is completely out in left field) and then ask:

    “I have 1 question, Has anyone ever told you they were doing this also?” is actually extremely hilarious. This could be the reason Forrest posted it—
    are there clues? Maybe—-but I think that it was posted more for laughs than anything else. IMO of course.

  17. So this is Forrest’s creativity? Story telling? Bought 10 books, anybody call the bookstore and ask any questions? Like who recently bought 10 books? or not. A Las Vegas gambler would have starved in that length of time.Just IMO

    • If the bookstore would give out there sales records to some random caller… I assure you they would tell you 10 books were bought .

      Just IMO 🙂

  18. IMHO – Forrest found this correspondence to be some combination of interesting, comical, or absurd. So he simply decided to share it to show one type of correspondence that he deals with. Surely, everything does not have to be a hint, does it? I am beginning to feel sorry for the man (ff) and his life lived under the (unintentional) constant microscope.

    • This makes the MOST sense to me. If I were a betting man … I would bet evething I have ever won that you just stated the 100% truth.

      As far as ff feels… I wondered that too. But I think he is doing just fine and is not under “constant” scrutiny. I also think he thought about all this BEFORE he hid his treasure and wrote the book.

      Also he must feel somewhat proud no one has solved HIS poem… maybe proud is the wrong word. But I think he accomplished everything he set out to and more. Pretty awesome what he has done…

  19. IMO, this is a joke but a quick Wiki reading up on Ted and the big search by the feds yields some interesting info, such as using postmarks for time lines and the overall idea of MT as the state….Ted’s favorite spot gets changed by a road, etc. There was a million dollar reward for info etc. Bottom line for me, keep on reading for more clues. I’m glad I read about Ted and Lincoln, MT followed up Lewis and Clark County and Milk River which flows into the Missouri River then I got into a side search about this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Stream_Access_Law

        • It originates because there is a poker friiend of mine that used to go my the name unabomber… and we called him you-nee for short. And I would text him…. uni… so when I sent ff the email I didn’t spend one second spell checking it or checking for grammar. I also don’t think ff thought 1 sec on the spelling … so Dal no ff messed it up.. I did .. then again to me.. it’s spelled correctly 🙂

  20. Isn’t Blackjack is played without jokers?

    “Life is a game of poker, Happiness is the pot. Fate deals you four cards and a joker, And you play whether you like it or not.”

    • Unsettling ~ why?
      How long have you’ve been on the chase?

      FF
      “Occasionally I forward parts of emails to Dal for use in his blog to add human interest for others who are in the search, but I never would if
      it made a difference or in any way might point someone toward or away from the treasure. Dal is also a searcher. I am determined to stay aloof of
      providing any additional clues that are useful. Everyone has the same information to work with. Some few have stopped within several hundred feet of the correct location, and then passed it by. I said in my book that the solution will be difficult but not impossible. If it was easy anyone
      could do it. Whoever finds the treasure will mostly earn it with their imagination. I have done only a few things in my life that were truly planned. Hiding the treasure chest is one of them. And at the end, the one who finds the gold will not feel lucky, but instead, will ask himself,
      ”what took me so long?”

    • For the record… dal is NOT getting ff emails… ff actually asked me if it was ok to post THIS on his blog… and ff sent this to Dal. #fact

      • Hello Brett,

        Interesting stuff here. You commented “For the record… dal is NOT getting ff emails… ff actually asked me if it was ok to post THIS on his blog… and ff sent this to Dal. #fact”. Doesn’t that imply you did know about this blog before this email got posted on the 10th and not on the 19th when you also commented “I would have come here sooner and responded …. but I just found out about this blog.”

        Not that it matters much or that you have any obligation to answer but I am curious…

        Best wishes,

        Mark

  21. Forrest, I hope your answer to : “Has anyone ever told you they were doing this also?” is No…

    That would be crazy to have 20 inmates looking for the treasure full time…:)

  22. Professional poker player playing black jack. I don’t gamble. Different games, different strategies, or are they similiar? Was he aspiring to be a professional black jack player and is now a poker player? How about slots, or are those just for the unprofessionals? Brett?

    • Water and oil … not at all similar..and re-read the email.. I never said I was a profession poker player that played blackjack… about slots. There are actually quite a few “professional” slot players… they search for “advantage” machines.(Google it) It takes a certain skill set for sure… but they do exist. A lot of them also play poker machines for a living too. Even though I don’t consider video poker as “slots” … others do. Also FYI when I say “professional” I am referring to people ONLY making a living doing that thing… not playing slots and say driving Uber .

      This was just an informal email that I typed from my phone in 30 seconds. I should have said “professional gambler” as that would be a lot more acurate. Sorry.

  23. I get it now…

    There are 10 searchers close to finding the treasure, nine men and one woman. He thinks the one with the best shot at it, is the pretty brilliant math guy because he’s currently at the end of the poem.

    The first part is just “fluff” talk about who he’s gambling on. Just have to imagine Forrest is Brett.

    • To be honest I seriously doubt it. The “brilliant math guy” is represented by Ted Kacsynski? That is a pretty strange correlation. I really think it was posted to show us just how strange and funny some of the e-mails Forrest gets are.

      Of course, it’s possible to find clues or hints in anything if we are prone to think that way. Again just my opinion of course.

  24. OKAY… How many folks started filling out pen pal forms to inmates after reading this? How many did this before this post? I might just get a hold of Bernie Madoff and see if he might be interested…I heard he’s a good numbers man.

  25. I don’t think this is being shared because the person who wrote the email had figured something out. That would be very inconsistent of Forest to do that. So for that reason, I wouldn’t get too lost in the numbers.

    I think the focus is instead on the idea of what makes an ideal partner, and I happen to think this email provides some insight into that. I am strongly of the belief the concept of the partner is not a trivial detail.

      • Brett,
        I think these lifers are in a perfect environment where there minds will not be clouded by all of F’s statements, videos etc…

        I think you should also send an additional 10 poems to 10 new lifers & create a survey. These lifers can only use the poem to come up with a 9 clue solve seeing they have no outside influence whatsoever, no internet, no books & no statements.

        Ask them what they think the 9 clues in the poem are & where, along with some other questions like the word that is key etc…

        Also, if you can, send 5 of the lifers (the ones you gave the 10 books to) a copy of too far to walk to see how these groups differ in there solves & thinking.

        I am curious to see what the come up with.

        • Jake;

          You seem to have lots of bucks to throw around, why don’t you send out all of these books, and let us all know what YOU find out from your experiment. It would be interesting. JDA

          • JDA 2K man,
            It’s not my experiment, Brett obviously started it & I am just trying to help cerebrally & analyticalally.

            And please, get over it, whatever it is.
            You seem to still hold a grudge.

          • Jake;

            I hold no grudge, but you have to be accountable for your words.. You can not just spew insults at someone and expect them to shed them off like they were never said. Take some responsibility for your words and actions Jake. I do for mine. JDA

    • Pdenver,
      Thanks for the links, Interesting read. For those who wonder if Forrest inserts things likes this just for the heck of it think twice. I never just put things like this on the back burner. There is something there Forrest wants us to know and pdenver good to see this research. I for one am only looking for things that might relate to my solve but am willing to see more sides to this chase always. Forrest thanks for stumbling in every now and then, it let’s us know you want us to continue what you have started. Bur

      • Hi Bur — I believe you are right. Forrest has received tens of thousands of letters which gives him a lot of raw material to work with. If he wanted to send a particular type of hint, he could probably find what he needed somewhere in all that correspondence. I see a hint in this letter (and I know HMA does, too), and the fun part is that Brett probably doesn’t even know that his letter could have been hijacked in this fashion.

        It does make me want to go back now and look at the past letters that Forrest has chosen to share with Dal. You would think that searchers who have written Forrest not knowing where the treasure is hidden couldn’t possibly have meaningful hints in their letters. But remember: Forrest is the one doing the picking!

          • thanks Brett

            I always suspected Zap was crazy, ever since I saw him in that movie with that depressed robot.
            (he stole a spaceship too btw – def a trouble-maker i reckon)
            🙂

          • hhmmm ..why does reading all these comments remind me of that movie, ‘those daring young men in their jaunty jalopies’?

            maybe ya all could start in Nova Scotia simultaneously, with a ’70’s muscle car each, once spring springs
            (sorta like ‘the cannon-ball run’ ..but heaps funner 🙂 )

            now, THERE is a TV series that I’d happily pay to watch!

          • whoops, my comment was meant for belower than here (& yes, am totally guilty of not being a rocket scientist lately)

            (…surprisingly!)

        • Brett, I’ll go ahead and share my (fairly weak) theory for one of the reasons Fenn may have selected your letter to send to Dal. I don’t for a minute believe it was the primary reason — humor was. But five innocuous words you happened to string together may have caught his eye the same way they caught mine and HMA’s:

          “figured the best way to”

          or

          “the best way to find”

          Compare with:
          For Whom the Bell Tolls
          “but too far to walk”
          “…through the [dumb] barbed wire fence”
          “…will find the golden treasure”

          There are other examples from the Scrapbooks and TTOTC. You’re a Vegas odds guy, so I’ll tell you the mathematical odds of five consecutive words starting with these 5 letters, in any order: for English, about 1 in 4700. So not outrageously rare. But most letters to Forrest aren’t 4000 words long, so only a small fraction of them will exhibit this.

          • Correction: I shouldn’t have included the last example since it confuses the issue (ties in with something unrelated).

          • Seeker –

            “Man you guys are killing me here… I mean, I have to be the dumbest guy on the planet not to see hints and clues that help solve the poem. There’s is listed Forrest gets mail up to 12 thus far, But, some of those have 5 or 10 e-mails with… I mean, we have dozens of emails… Then of course there’s all the SB’s ~ 160 something and all those have hints and clues, right?”

            I didn’t get much of a chance today to keep up with the activity and it appears that I missed out on quite a bit. Seeker, I wouldn’t say you are dumb by any means. Too rigid, maybe but not dumb. In order to figure out the clues and find hints that will solidify the clues, you have to radically adjust the way you look at things. It’s not an easy adjustment and even if you can adjust, you may find yourself drifting back to the same old rigid way of thinking. Zap is very correct that there are many hints in SB’s. I’ve found a great many in other writings as well.

            “So with just those little tidbits we have well over 200 additional clues…hmmm. And all his time I thought ~ All the information to find the treasure chest was in the poem.”

            Zap is correct that all the information needed is in the poem. If you can’t figure out the clues, you definitely won’t see the hints. The hints blend in so well it’s easy to skip over them.

            “Is it an advantage to buy The Thrill of the Chase and Too Far to Walk?
            There are hints in my TTOTC book that can help solve the clues in the poem.”

            “Wait What?! the TTOTC, but, no mentioned of tftw? Rut Row Reorge…”

            Seeker, have you forgotten about the Moby video? F mentions that there are hints in TFTW that can help a person. I own TFTW so I can vouch for f’s statement. I haven’t gone over it with a fine tooth comb, but I can say there are quite a few good hints.

            IMO f has been sharing things on this blog and MW that are very, very helpful. As if the poem and books aren’t enough *help* f continues to provide help. What more could you ask for? Not only has f been generous with the prize, he’s been very generous with his assistance in finding the chest.

          • BTFTW –

            Let’s assume for a minute that you are correct. That Forrest published the letter from Brett because those letters appear at the beginning of words in a row. So what? Where does that lead you? To a location in MT where those letters occur in a description? You won’t tell us and I won’t convince you that your wrong. How about this. I will show you how else we use the same thinking and where it points. I will be discussing the letters in that akward line in my upcoming AE post.

            The letters in that line are NFBTFTW. In my solve I do not drop the NF. Maybe you have read our previous discussions on this and maybe you haven’t.

            Tactical Fighter Training Wing. Not only are those the same letters beginning the words but they are in order. So I already like it better than when you have to move them to fit. When the TFTW is deployed it deploys to a Naval Forward Base. That makes it Naval Forward Base Tactical Fighter Training Wing. This seems elegant and plausible.

            The TFTW is in Colorado of course and CO is a state in the chase area.

            Lugnutz over and out

          • Lug: you are only making my argument for me… that the hints are not only useless to someone who hasn’t solved the clues, they are so by Forrest’s design. He is free to repeat hints for the same clues over and over and knows that they are utterly worthless to Fenners who haven’t solved the associated clue from the poem.

            You are right about one thing: you will never convince me I’m wrong about NF, BTFTW because I am so far past that. Forrest spoke of walking to the chest with confidence. You don’t seem willing to accept that the poem is a puzzle, not some literary interpretive exercise. If you aren’t 100% sure what BTFTW is, you’re no better off than the searchers who have solved the first 2 clues.

          • I am truly looking forward to what you think BTFTW is.

            That is if we get that far.

            If Forrest doesn’t remove Montana for. The Chase before the season begins.

            Hugs from Lugs

          • Lug –

            “I still don’t believe in any hints or stamps or first letters or any of that.”

            That’s definitely your choice. That’s what makes the chase so much fun. Everyone can have their own ideas and come up with many theories about what and where the clues are hiding.

            “When i post you will see incomplete solves because I need to follow directions once on site.”

            If all you need is in the poem then why would you have to search on-site to find the clues? IMO you can find the clues in the poem and they will lead you to one spot that will require a physical search. If one has to search on-site to figure out what the clues are, then it might take 1,000 years or more to figure out. It might not even be possible. IMO.

          • HMA –

            The big thing you need to do on site is find the bkaze and then follow the trail. Lots would maybe agree in that.

            I think that no place for the meek and heavy loads water high also need to be determined with both. But that’s just me.

            If you think that you can solve the poem And then not need to find anything but the treasure you just read the poem differenly.

            Let me add that I will be showing multiple solves and I just simply won’t list every step/clue.

            For Ponce DeLeon Springs I will show the whole solve. We’ll see.

            Cheers
            Lugnutz

          • Hi Lugnutz — I owe you a more thoughtful response on the NF,BTFTW thread of our exchange yesterday. You provided an alternative to my example which deserves commentary. You offered up “Tactical Fighter Training Wing” for the TFTW (pointing out that in your case, the letters are actually in order) and then augmented it with “Naval Forward Base” to cover the leading NFB. I suspected you were being facetious in your example, which is why I didn’t treat it seriously earlier. But I regret that now — your example is actually instructive.

            If your “where warm waters halt” leads to a canyon that in turn is associated with the Naval Forward Base Tactical Fighter Training Wing in Colorado, then I’d say you had a very strong candidate. But absent that, it sounds like a case of reverse engineering. This would be a bit like trying to solve Forrest’s poem by looking for the blaze or the home of Brown (which he has warned will never work) and then back-tracking to WWWH.

            So you asked where the NF,BTFTW leads me, wondering if it’s a “… location in MT where those letters occur in a description?” You’ve actually got it somewhat reversed. I started with the first stanza, which gave me a specific location, which led to WWWH, which gave a unique canyon. The BTFTW was staring me in the face right there. I didn’t manufacture it; it was right on the map for all to see. Doesn’t that sound rather promising to you?

            Everyone assumes “not far, but too far to walk” is some unknown distance. But what if it isn’t? What if that’s what’s tripping everyone up? What if it’s the “important possibility related to the winning solve” that nobody to Fenn’s uncertain knowledge has analyzed? If everyone thinks it’s a distance, is it any surprise that those who figured out WWWH went right past the other clues?

          • Zap-

            Firstly what I do and this is just my way is stay open to possibilities. I didn’t come up with The tactical fighter training wing idea. That was someone else on another blog. I looked it up to see if it was real and it is. The unit is based in Colorado. So I didn’t throw it out.

            I went to the map and I had a long standing WWWH with nothing else nearby but uncertainty.

            Before this I always thought of NFNTFTW as some kind of direction or distance. Now in the case of Salt Creek Co I have a solve that invoices the training wing and a Rocky Ford.

            It’s starts to fit or am I just EC Watersing?

            I might find out if I have time to explore that solve.

            I don’t assume much I stay open to new ideas.

        • Bur, and Zap, I’m in your boat. There’s more to this email, as well as email-12. I could see Mr. Fenn reaching for the delete button on email-12, but Mr. Fenn is deliberate. He has his reasons for everything. IMO

          • Man you guys are killing me here… I mean, I have to be the dumbest guy on the planet not to see hints and clues that help solve the poem. There’s is listed Forrest gets mail up to 12 thus far, But, some of those have 5 or 10 e-mails with… I mean, we have dozens of emails… Then of course there’s all the SB’s ~ 160 something and all those have hints and clues, right?

            So with just those little tidbits we have well over 200 additional clues…hmmm. And all his time I thought ~ All the information to find the treasure chest was in the poem.

            Although I have to admit this is one that caught me off-guard… Not an e-mail… a Q&A;
            Is it an advantage to buy The Thrill of the Chase and Too Far to Walk?
            There are hints in my TTOTC book that can help solve the clues in the poem.

            Wait What?! the TTOTC, but, no mentioned of tftw? Rut Row Reorge…

          • Seeker: it’s simple. Everything you *need* to find the chest is in the poem. If you want to ignore everything else, that’s your choice. But for my solution I can find plenty of hints in TTOTC, over a dozen of the Scrapbooks, at least this one FGM (I haven’t checked the others), and TFTW. Could it all be confirmation bias? Sure. But I seriously doubt it.

            For someone who loves endlessly posting Forrest’s quotes from the past, I’m surprised by your willingness to dismiss the notion that he just might enjoy toying with us a bit? There’s no penalty if ~I’m~ wrong. Can you say the same?

          • Zaphod, in my humble opinion the number of hints in just the SBs is significantly highly than that. Some are right there in front of you, but if you don’t have the general location figured out, then they don’t make no sense. That’s exactly what happened to me. But as I’ve said before, I had that ah-ha moment and the puzzle pieces started fitting together like a beautiful stone wall or slate roof built by a expert mason. I’d say European mason, but that might offend someone. However, those guys in Europe really know how to build things that last.

            But I digress. If you don’t understand the relationship between a comic book superhero, a town in Wyoming, planting zones, beryl, earthquakes, an old truck company and almost defunct grocery store chain (founded in my home town), and a well known professional baseball player, then I suspect you might be in the wrong place. There are more comparisons, but I won’t bore you. And so most of the SBs will make no sense at all as a result of being in the wrong spots…..IMO……IMO.

            Having said all that, there are still some SBs that don’t make any sense to me at all, but I’m sure they might certainly make sense to other searchers.

            That’s what make this Chase so much fun. We can all be so right at times, and so wrong too at other times. Lucki and good will be the searcher who cuts thru all the chaff and nails the goods. No disrespect Forrest. Just keeping the eye on the prize.

            Time for dinner……Ciao and guten abent. And as JDA likes to say, be safe. Good advice.

            P.S. – Don’t concern yourself about moisture in terms of flowing water. I’d worry more about deep snow and indigenous wildlife. Sorry Jake.

          • Zap,
            The only penalty is overcooking the solve. Someone gets hooked on a clue, or what they believe might be an answer to a clue, and all of the sudden they can find hundreds of hints.
            Everyone has done this and the laughable part is no two searchers have the same solve!! Heck most of the searchers claiming they are going to retrieve the chest “this” year are not even in the same states… all have different clues picked out, and all have to wait until it’s sunshine a daisies before they can go to the spot they know its at.
            Before some dang bleeding heart want to shout out i’m trying to put people in danger… [doesn’t matter what I say], fenn even stated if you knew where it is..blah blah blah.. so go cry a river to him [ that comment was not pointed at you Zap – in general ]. Or maybe your solve might be wrong and you should take some serious time and ask… why can’t I go in this weather?

            But your correct the word “need” is very important to understanding what should be needed… which was what was given us from day one. A book that holds a poem with the challenge to decipher it. Personally, I’m glad I don’t see all these hundreds of extra clues ya’ll see… I’d be embarrass to know of them and still not have chest, if you want honesty. Do you think fenn was bluffing about, IF you know where it is…”probably” retrievable in any weather? That’s a pretty confident statement don’t you think?

            As far as ignoring, Zap… I’m one of the few who puts their ear to the track.

          • Hi Seeker: not to worry, my solution is not overcooked. It’s medium rare perfect. And just to be clear, my clues were settled long before I read my first Scrapbook. It’s winter, and I’m simply spending my time being thorough. If I thought anyone else could retrieve the chest right now, I’d be there. I’m not at all worried about it. For the record, Forrest said any weather, he didn’t say any season. If he left a ground-level marker for searchers, it would be under feet of snow right now, but HE would still know where to go.

          • IW…I must have missed where you said you could get it any time…so that clears that up. I still do not understand the logic behind repeatedly going on all of the Chase blogs and jamming it down folks throats that the end is near. It just defies any sensible humanitarian reasoning…unless there is bad karma attached. One other very distinct possibility…is that your solve has some holes in it and you don’t have enough fingers and toes to plug them.
            Fenn’s Chase…IW…has proven to me, beyond doubt…that the human race is as diverse as it could possibly be. The regular characters here are all shaped from a different mold and that’s a real GOOD thing. Good luck and I do mean that. When is the book release?

          • Ken –

            I have asked Zap the same. Fenn says it came retrieved in any weather so if I knew where it was In would get it.

            By extension if your TC is under feet of snow you are looking in the wrong area.

            As to why Zap comes to the blog it’s bragging. He feels fulfilled by showing he’s smarter. As Goofy pointed out he hasn’t done so yet because he doesn’t tell us his process, clues or locations but he will prove it when he retrieves the treasure in July in Montana.

            Iron Will is at least looking in an area where the searcher can retrieve the TC in any weather.

            IMO
            Lugnutz

          • Lugnutz…you may be correct that there is some bragging going on…but …in any of these mentioned incidences there is little to say it is about smarts or correct solves. The CORRECT solve is only attainable by showing up with the goods…anything besides that…is purely speculation. I still just do not understand WHY anyone comes here to say they are without a doubt going to get it done…too bad for all you suckers for wasting your time.

          • For the record, I believe the chest can be retrieved in almost any weather and any season by exactly one person: Forrest. He never said just *anyone* could do so. If the chest is covered in snow (as I’m confident it currently is), I will not be able to find it. I do not know the chest’s location to 100-foot accuracy. I am counting on some kind of onsite clue or marker to guide me the rest of the way in.

          • One thing to consider Zaphod. I suspect there are places within the search area where snow Is not as deep for geothermal reasons. Plus, f keeps inferring if you have the correct solve, then you’ll be able to go right to it. Bring gloves. He didn’t say what kind.

          • Well I’m surprised you get that. You need to follow the directions on site.

            I still don’t believe in any hints or stamps or first letters or any of that.

            When i post you will see incomplete solves because I need to follow directions once on site.

          • So Lugnutz: you think that if the TC is under feet of snow, you’re looking in the wrong place. Well, congratulations! You just eliminated 3 out of the 4 states. That’s brilliant! I’m sure you’ve just convinced JDA that he should abandon his location in Wyoming and start working on New Mexico.

          • Zap;

            Let me preface my statement by saying that I also do not know EXACTLY where the treasure lies, but, for me at least, the clues lead me a LOT closer than 100′. Once I spot one particular “marker”, I will be able to go DIRECTLY to where it is.

            I will probably be closer than 50′ when I spot my marker. So, if you are no closer than 100′. I think you either do not understand the clues, or you are in the wrong place…but that is just my opinion based on MY solve. JDA

          • Hey Zap…go back up page and reread your comment to Lugnutz 1/25/17 6:59PM….then…really verbalize it out loud to yourself. To me…it smacks of an arrogance that really ticked me off. Second…your confidence seems to have wavered a bit with your latest admission that you can only get to within 100′ before HOPING for some other “clue” to guide you in. You can’t have it both ways and expect that someone isn’t going to call you out….

          • Ken — fair enough. I can read the snippiness in my second paragraph, and I admit that Lugnutz has a knack for rubbing me the wrong way which puts me on the defensive. (For that, I apologize, Lug. I should have addressed your NF,BTFTW counterexample fairly.)

            “…your confidence seems to have wavered a bit with your latest admission that you can only get to within 100′ before HOPING for some other “clue” to guide you in. You can’t have it both ways and expect that someone isn’t going to call you out…”

            I suspect the majority of searchers don’t believe that you can solve the precise location of the chest sitting at home on your computer. That would run counter to Forrest’s desire to get people out into nature. But by the same token, you can’t just be wandering the wilderness aimlessly, hoping clue by clue are out there waiting for you to discover; the poem must instruct you how to get to a fairly specific location, otherwise how could you possibly proceed with confidence?

            So I say, you CAN have it both ways: if you’ve deciphered all the clues correctly, you should be directed to a fairly specific spot. If the chest is right there, great. But I leave open the possibility that there is instead a BOTG marker that is visible from this location, and so a little additional walking might be required. And if that’s the case, it probably wouldn’t be wise to assume you can spot such a marker under all seasonal conditions.

          • Zap;

            You say, “. And if that’s the case, it probably wouldn’t be wise to assume you can spot such a marker under all seasonal conditions.” I guess that that depends on what your “marker” is, and how big or tall it is.

            I “know” that I could see my marker in any weather conditions or ground conditions. The poem tells me exactly what to look for, or so I think. I would again suggest that if your marker can not be easily seen in any weather or ground conditions, from a distance of between 50′ and 100′, you are possibly looking for the wrong marker, and that you do not yet fully understand the clues in the poem… But what do I know? Probably NADA – JDA

          • Zap…you missed my point about having it both ways…it matters not. I will end this by saying your definition of “precisely”…and mine… are obviously on two completely different ends of the spectrum…and… confidence and wishful thinking are also often times confused.

          • Hi JDA — what I’m trying to say is that I don’t even know that there *is* a marker; but I’m hedging my bets and allowing for that possibility. If there is one, I have absolutely no idea what it might look like because the poem doesn’t tell me. (Just so we’re clear, I’m not talking about the blaze.)

          • Zap;

            Whow – what a long way to get to the “reply” button.

            I am not talking about the blaze either.

            From posts that I have seen, a lot of people seem to feel that Stanza #5 offers no “directional” clues. I do not see stanza #5 this way.

            For me, and possible me alone, I see directional information in this stanza. For me, this stanza describes the “marker” that I am certain is there, and you are hoping is there. If I am correct, knowing exactly what this marker is will mean the difference between success and a lot of groping in the unknown. For me, without this “marker” one can not go with confidence to the exact location of the treasure. Just my opinion – JDA

        • Zap and HMA-
          You guys confuse the heck out of me…you both claim to have solved the clues to the point of being beyond reproach. You both claim that having done so has enabled you to find many many hints in the books/SB and other writings that can only be recognized after having solved the clues. How can you KNOW so much and yet cannot go get the treasure? I am not goading anyone to go do something foolish…but this confuses me to no end. Iron Will claims to have this all wrapped up and the end of the Chase is imminent.

          • Back. My point is…obviously there are circumstances such as snow cover/access etc. that may be keeping you guys from retrieval…but why come on here and talk it up like you are the only folks that could be possibly correct? The tactic just seems ill fated. IW says by May…that probably means his solve is further south than you guys…either way…I think you all just like to read your own words because your logic seems to defy itself….

          • I’ve stated I could get it now, at any time. Anyone on Earth with valid drivers license, proper passport (if coming from abroad), and the strength and resources of an average human being, can go get it right now if they so wished.

            But I need TIME to make another plan that I have work in conjunction with this. This is why I’m fairly confident that Zaphod or HMA are sniffing up the wrong tree. ( Oh geez, here come the chest in the tree jabs again) They are likewise sure I am wrong as I’ve stated, albeit opinionated, that you can solve the poem from home, before heading out.
            Believe me, I don’t want to wait. Every fiber of my being wants to end it now, but I can’t just yet.
            On a side note Ken, if we all had the same exact opinion or thought the same thoughts, wouldn’t life be kind of boring? I like the diversity of everyone’s approach on these blogs. And I am so sorry to all of the people who don’t want someone to end the Chase outside of their given timeline, but ony one person can win this.
            I like your reasoning and comments Ken, but just thought I needed to expound once more, incase it was still unclear, as to why I had not gone yet.

          • IW ~ ” an average human being, can go get it right now if they so wished.
            But I need TIME to make another plan that I have work in conjunction with this.”

            Hmm… This is interesting on how one person thinks, to another.
            One person solves the poem on paper and hits the blogs running ~ I know where it is, starts writing a book, maybe make arrangements for a camera crew to be there at the glory moment, be over confident again .. blah blah.. and jump the gun once more.
            While another would actually go there to make sure. Maybe even have proof before they spend so much TIME on a hunch… again.

            IW ~”Believe me, I don’t want to wait. Every fiber of my being wants to end it now, but I can’t just yet.”

            There is always an excuse… every single time… someone has the perfect solve there is always an excuse. But they love to brag about it for months… I’m bored!

          • Ken — to be honest, I had no idea I would get so much grief for suggesting that the Scrapbooks, and possibly this letter from Brett, might have hints from Forrest in them. I thought that might be something interesting for us to talk about. I didn’t come on here gloating that I’m going to go retrieve the chest in May or June or whenever, so please don’t suggest that I have. Yes, I like my solution. JDA likes his. HMA likes his. IW likes his. What’s wrong with having a little confidence? I pointed out the (strong, IMO) possibility of hints in the Scrapbooks because I thought it might actually be helpful to some searchers who have solved a couple clues. But how does Seeker respond? With sarcasm — “Oh, that means there are 200+ hints out there between the Scrapbooks and emails and books and I must be the biggest idiot on the planet not to see them.” How is that helpful? I AM TRYING TO HELP! I’M TRYING TO BRING UP SOME NEW IDEAS AND POSSIBILITIES! But the message I’m getting loud and clear is “Shut up and go away.”

          • Rich all I will say, now that certain people pasted it everywhere, is that it leads me to Forrest’s friend’s Ranch near Santa Fe. I won’t say how near… as a mud puddle is an ocean to an ant. 😉

            And as far as bragging and boasting mentioned by some others… It’s nothing different than anyone of those other people here, who brag and boast about how their methods or interpretations are righteous, and everyone else’s versions belong in a nut house. There is zero difference in the two. However, those people often choose to only point the fingers away from their own direction when assigning blame to this notion of “boasting”. I think it’s funny to watch those people, because it shows this world’s true double standard of ignorance.

          • Zap, relax before the old ticker gives out… You said your trying to help by claiming there is clues or hints in SB and e-mails. SURE why not… I simply put up fenn’s quotes to the opposite. There is nothing but blind speculation when a blogger states there a clue / hint in one of them.

            The floating hat is a major clue to some, Brad Pitts face on fenn’s body was a big one as well. The pic of fenn’s dog was a major clue. Minerva another huge clue. and the list goes on…

            If you don’t want to hear an argument against a claim what’s the point of saying it?
            Fenn has stated he would not post an e-mail if it helped for or against a solve… they are for human interest for the blog.

            It’s nothing more than one blogger saying, this to be that, and I say… ain’t what fenn said. But Dang… seem a lot of folks get a bit uppity when I do quote fenn to argue a point.

            I would think if you truly believe fenn is hinting or adding clues in an e-mail, then fenn must be misleading everyone when he stated :
            Occasionally I forward parts of emails to Dal for use in his blog to add human interest for others who are in the search, but I never would if it made a difference or in any way might point someone toward or away from the treasure. Dal is also a searcher. I am determined to stay aloof of
            providing any additional clues that are useful. Everyone has the same
            information to work with. Some few have stopped within several hundred feet
            of the correct location, and then passed it by. I said in my book that the solution will be difficult but not impossible. If it was easy anyone could do it…

          • Seeker — I would be interested in your feedback about my recent post under “The Book”.

            As for the Scrapbooks, I would say your task is the harder one: proving that the Scrapbooks do not contains hints. Your argument so far rests on a few quotes from Forrest. Ask yourself this: if Forrest put hints in TTOTC and in TFTW (and I assume you do not dispute this since there are Fenn quotes saying as much), is it such a stretch to think he might have done so in the SBs?

            “Fenn has stated he would not post an e-mail if it helped for or against a solve… they are for human interest for the blog.”

            If the hint can’t be used to determine the answer to a clue, would that really be helping a solution? I’m still agnostic about whether the “Forrest Gets Mail” emails actually contain hints, but I have no doubt about the Scrapbooks. And so I ask myself, if he put hints in both books and in the Scrapbooks, why not in “Forrest Gets Mail” too? It’s not as if doing so would give some searchers an advantage over others — the information is out there for all on a public blog, so there is no favoritism.

          • Zap;

            I am not Seeker, but I agree with your supposition. If “Hints” are in TTOTC and TFTW, why not SB’s? Seems logical to me. I am convinced that there is vital information to be found in his latest SB – pictures and poem. I agree, Forrest’s Mail is shadowy – Maybe yes, maybe no…I lean to yes, but could be convinced otherwise.

            Just my point of view. JDA

          • Zap, I haven’t read your comment on the “book” yet, but will go have a look. As far as SB’s go… that would be a longer explanation.. so I’ll hold off for now.

  26. Bur
    You are correct. I will not share what I have found but what I will say , if your solve is going in the right direction then there are some valuable clues in it, not hints but clues. I would hope by now that everyone knows better than to put anything to or from Forrest and or Dal on the back burner…
    Be safe my fellow searchers
    Timothy…IMHO

  27. Searchers, I found the link to the email.

    Anyone who has been following Forrests weekly words this will help.

    The word cell as in prison or jail cell. CELL is a narrow confining room. A chamber, storeroom, to hide, web. Also honeycomb, box. And best of all a small abode such as a hermits cave or hut!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow, there it is Cell , get familiar with the word, look it up!

    Chamber means room ina house, vault, camera. Just like the spy camera and Canopy in trees and cockpit. The canopy is a vaulted room.
    Chamber!!!! Get to know as well.

    Ok searchers, let’s get there.

  28. LOL, with all the talk about numbers, misspelling, dates, stamps… although I do like DPT post… Did anyone mentioned the “Trust *”

    Just thought I throw it out there.

  29. Well Brett, I would be hesitant to open any packages I received from Kaczynski . If anyone could figure out how to build a bomb in a supermax prison and have it sent out it would be him.

    So let’s see………This post proves the chest is in Montana. It will take a mathematical genius using sophisticated acronyms that some searchers employ here. Unabomber originates from the FBI acronym “UNABOM” which stands for “UNiversity and Airline BOMber.” yOU knOW wHAt i MEan. Adding in precise misspellings and using the correct, very complex, algorithm will yield the correct coordinates.

    Of course a few real geniuses here will not be fooled by the false flag the above synopsis presents. One of Kaczynski’s tactics was leaving false clues in every bomb. He would make them hard to find deliberately to mislead investigators into thinking they had a clue. A more obvious clue was the Eugene O’Neill $1 stamps used to send his boxes. This obviously tells us the chest is hidden under ice. O’Neill’s most renowned play was “The Iceman Cometh”.

    O’Neill’s plays often described the downtrodden and those on the fringes of society who struggle to maintain their hopes and aspirations. This leads us back to the Redneck that lost his job. I can’t reveal that information because it is the key to solving the poem. I’m warming up the truck and putting a sandwich and infrared flashlight in the pockets of my artic Carhartts to go retrieve the chest.

    I have confirmation from an extremely reliable source this solution is absolutely correct.

    Of course I have to say IMO so I don’t have to nuke myself; and there is the unimaginable, infinitesimally small, chance that I have misinterpreted what my Dee Lux Wee Gee Board Mouse Pad has told me.

    See ya soon Fenn.

  30. If I could, may I beg your indulgence? I think we all need to get back in the box–and not one that Ted Kacsynski used. I don’t mean to blast those who are finding “clues” in the above letter, but it is so easy to dwell on things, until our minds explode looking for anything that seems plausible to us. I just mention this as a precaution to anyone who might have a short fuse.

  31. Just one last thought/share on this Forrest’s get mail posting: from all this chatter today and reading up on geniuses I stumbled across an author by the name of Alston Chase who has written about Yellowstone, lives in Montana and was in the same housing with the infamous Kaczynski at Harvard. Chase has other books with eye catching titles, one is ‘In a Dark Wood’ so, to me all and all a fun and educational day on Dal’s Blog.

  32. First off, Ted wasn’t “from” Montana–he moved here to hide out i guess. I read about him a few years ago after seeing a TV program. He went to the elite school at at a very young age. Once there he was poor and agreed to be a part of some experiments that he got paid for. These psychology professors abused and traumatized him and some say that was what set him off. There is some new buzzword term for what they did to him, but I can’t think of it. Anyway, the guy is a cold-blooded murderer and refused to go to trial because he didn’t want to be held accountable for for he did.

    I really can’t believe anyone would be serious about getting involved with some inmates serving life sentence. Remind me of Dr. Sam Sheppard, the Fugitive. When he got out of prison he sat in his rocking chair day and night with a shotgun on his lap. He was terrified some prisoners would get out and come after him. I see no humor here.

    • I agree… only get involved with those serving life without parole. Or get involved with strangers you meet in an online forum… witch is safer ?

  33. Thank you Forrest for posting this.
    “Makes me feel much better” knowing that Brett is smart enough to think about other people’s ideas.

  34. If you can’t read the book 3 times and not get within 30 feet then you should stay home.
    I’m just waiting for the snow to melt.

    • And the road from Bozeman to the West YellowStone Entrace is US 191 which Jake likes to refer to as North Interstate Gallatin Hwy.

      Let’s say we are on to something here. The question is about where to begin. Where do warm waters halt?

      Wondering,
      Lugnutz

      • Lug,
        It’s actually North INTRASTATE Gallatin Highway.
        Not that it matters much.

        1-searcher buying 9-books for men & 1-for a woman.
        191

        Kaczynski lived in Lincoln Montana.
        Montana = Mountain
        Lincoln Mountain
        https://goo.gl/fBQMMl

        I think I see Taylor Creek there.
        Funny how we can see things that relate to one of our solves.

      • Lug, a good WWH there is divide lake. Next to it to the east is Crowfoot ridge. Gallatin river to North and grayling to the south from Crowfoot ridge. Look up the word Crowfoot, I think you will like what you see..

        Crowfoot are the age lines as well next to the eye. And you could say it’s Tarry scant:-)

        Crowfoot was a famous Native American as well who signed the 7th treaty like ttotc. Lots of other fun stuff. Check it out.

    • Hr combination of 9+1 also equals 10. The number of prisoners I sent the book too.

      What I didn’t say in that message was the number of poems I sent out with out the book and to who. If I tell you those numbers.. and u divide them You would have the distance from Lincoln MT to Red River NM… just saying..

  35. Forrest may have everyone thinking that he posted this because of the prison story. I believe there is more there.

    I have a question for the group:

    FACT: Rocky Mountains, Blaze, Top Two, Rainbow, Chase, Fish, Cow, River, String, Fourth Street, Gypsy, Horse, Snow, Walk, What ifs …… all have what in common?

    What do ALL of these Fenn clues have in common?

    Thanks,
    -Passenger

      • Lugnutz. ha. no… not ice cream.

        I think if you read Fenn’s letter above you could figure it out.

        I used to have two 1960’s BSA motorcycles. One Clubman and one Royal Star. Nice bikes & they suited me well except for having to flush out the tanks all the time.

      • passenger
        I used to swirl heavy ball-bearings around inside my empty bike tank, to remove any corrosion that may later block the fuel tap, which worked a treat – assuming that’s why you flushed your BSA tanks? (curious)

        (hmm ..cow ice-cream huh? – not much of a big-seller in India, i’m guessing)
        🙂

    • passenger,
      Why do you say they are “clues”?
      If we go with what we have been told, I see no cow, gypsy, Top Two, Chase, Fish, River, String, Fourth Street, , Horse, Snow used n the poem.

      • Seeker.. I’m referring to a combination of Fenn’s Weekly Word clues (Mysterious Writings) , this forum and TTOTC references.

        I agree.. they may not be “clues” in the sense they will advance the poem solve directly. ‘Hint” may be more appropriate.

        There are certain facts that can be extrapolated from the Chase. To me, those should be the primary pursuit because without internal validation of a logical solve built into the puzzle, it would seem to be endless.

        -Passenger

    • Not sure they are true clues with a common theme or even metaphors for clues. I did enjoy the juxtaposition of chase fish cow though.

  36. If I remember correctly, the Unibomber ended up getting fingered by his brother because of his manifesto in which He wrote ‘Eat your cake and have it too’ Instead of ‘Have your cake and eat it too’

  37. At first I thought, this is brilliant! But then I realized, 10 partners? That’s a horrible idea.

    A camel is a horse designed by committee. A zebra is what you get from a committee of inmates — black and white stripes!

    I am curious who the one woman is.

    • While many are looking for clues hidden with in the words… the message seems clear. How can you trust complete strangers when the prize is a million plus in gold and trinkets?
      If not you.. then who?

    • Stacey Pomrenke Is the woman. Re-think the “10 partners”. Your first thought was better then your last.

      Smart people do stupid things. I am not judging the inmates. I don’t care about their crime, I care about there time.

      Who is going to spend more time on this treasure hunt… a professor at Harvard with a job, a family, a life ?

      Or men and woman serving life … I never said they were equal partners.

      • Wiki says that Stacey Pomrenke “reported September 26, 2016 to serve a 34-month sentence”. Not life. Are you a smart person Brett? 🙂

        • I’m smart enough to read the entire thread BEFORE I would make a post about something that has already been addressed. Especially if I thought I was smarter then the original poster and was pointing out a mistake he made that I believed he didn’t know about…

          • The ‘SEARCH THE BLOG’ option not being functional (?) has created some uneccessary issues. (Other option can be frustrating; a snails pace.) IMO

            SL

          • A lot to read. 460 plus replies as of 01/26 and many are lengthy and off-topic. I found where you addressed this error. A lot of people are scrutinizing your idea and I hope you maintain your sense of humor. None of us knows anything for sure and nobody’s solve means a thing until the chest is found.

  38. Administrators: Is this email fictional?

    signed: highly anonymous secret agent type guy, without large eyebrows.

    ( ..it might be a big matter of national importancy and everything ..seriously!)

      • actually no it isn’t, Mr Funny-Guy – it’s curious hobbt fyi ..WAIT! (whoops)

        [he desperately searches for that darn elusive ‘delete’ button, coz bashing his head on the keyboard four times rapidly, doesn’t seem to work anymore, unfortunately]
        🙂

    • ‘maybe’ you’ll need to buy several more hats this spring, Jake
      ..or should I say ‘G. Foreman’..

      (go JDA! – jus keep thinking Zaire ’74 ..and you’ll be just fine 🙂 )

      • There’s a few things you got to know & remember my furry friend.
        Listen good, use your imagination when needed & don’t fall into the rabbit holes. Did I mention not to listen to others.

      • but are you suggesting that imagination should only be brought forth (from it’s dusty ol’ box. in the attic, of that old Hitchcock house, the ominous one) only when ‘needed’?
        ..I could possibly try that approach, but won’t, fortunately 🙂

        ..but you’re entirely right in one respect – i DO need to read more.)

        • I prefer to use logic in indicating the lines, words or phrases in the poem that may be clues 1st.

          When you have indicated, you should use your imagination to figure what the clues mean.

          Feel free to roam near WY.

        • I get what you’re saying mate, as ‘logic’ is my middle name too, amazingly.

          but I simply enjoy the ‘humour’ approach to all this, and think it’s fun to be a pear, amongst apples and oranges, if that makes sense?
          ..if ya can’t enjoy it, what’s the point?

          (now, have you laced those gloves properly?
          – could be a long night)
          🙂

          • ..are you secretly implying that pears and oranges are weird, ken? …sounds like it.
            🙂

  39. ( ..JDA’s gotta gun btw – he hides it his right glove, apparently)

    ( ..he told me not to tell, so it must be true – but don’t tell him I told ya that)
    🙂

    • Some folks never learned that it is not wise to show up to a gun fight with a rubber knife…no matter…this is all just words. Back to the fun…After Ted K. , I wonder who the next pick was/is…and who is that one woman that was chosen? And… why only one woman ? I think I would have evened out the choices. Where are you Brett…maybe you could enlighten us?

  40. In his book TFTW, Forrest goes to Las Vegas .
    Page 110

    Zoe Feen Old, husband and children run a wood business located in Las Vegas New Mexico. Just a thought..

  41. Imagination is a story worth telling, this trusting gambler betting on a bom not a babe. A wild card at 44, who wouldn’t want to be like that, and a Brobdingnagian dreamer to boot.

  42. I just got done reading ALL the comments on this post. All I have to say is ….WOW!!! What an interesting group in here. I would actually like to address the comments that were made in this thread. I just don’t know the best way to do this. Should I just post in here or make a new thread???

    Brett

    Ps. I would have come here sooner and responded …. but I just found out about this blog.

    • Just start posting. You can use the form at the bottom of the page.

      By the way, what do you when you have a hard 16, and the dealer has a face card?

      And who’s the woman?

      • How big is your bet? The book says hit. But books are not always right. The hand before would greatly help in making this decision. But if it was the first hand in a new deck you should hit. 20 beats 16 eveytime.

        • The “book” doesn’t just say hit in this situation; if you have the option to surrender, you should do so in this case since hard-16 against a face card is among the worst hands you can get. But the more curious part of Brett’s reply was that his play would be influenced by the “hand” before. Now if he had said “hand(s)” before, I would concur. Or in single deck playing the 7th position, then all the cards played ahead of you could alter your play.

          • Sure sounds like good advice to me. It is called Gambling for a reason. Some times you have to Gamble, or risk never winning. JDA

          • Hey again JDA, I much prefer the stock market and right now we are having a real good time. Both of our 401s have taken off the past couple of months and we can hardy wait to see how they did today with the DOW bust’n through that 20,000 ceiling. Very, very nice.

          • Your correct! I won’t get into the details and bore you with why I didn’t care about that with her…I’m sure if you picked 10 out of 1000+ ur list would be different. Her sentence is long enough for what I wanted. Also FYI.. she is the first prisoner to get back to me. So I am glad I chose her. There are differences between men and woman and because of this I took a flyer on her… everyone is focusing on the wrong thing.. they all assume that the prsioner will want to go look themselves… that couldn’t be further from the truth. If it were remotely true ff would have sold millions of books …. I know for a lot of people in here they cant rap there heads around why a prisoner that is a stranger would help me find a treasure .. then again those same people are looking for warm water and brown trout. They could be right btw. But I still think they are missing the big picture. Off topic but have u ever wondered why someone would marry someone who is serving life without parole ? If you figured that out (not hard) then you should understand why a prisoner would “help” me. Though truth be told… I’m helping them. Not to many will get that. And that’s fine with me….:)

          • Brett –

            You started out the comment saying yu won’t bore us with the details. I didn’t read the rest of it because it’s pretty long.

            Did you end up being us with the details?

            Get crunky
            Lugnutz

          • In order to answer you .. I would have to understand what “being us the details is” means? Maybe instead of writing messages you should read more, that way you won’t be baited into useless arguments .. then again reading may not help you much.. after all You believed MY message to ff was a clue about highway 191 from Bozeman to west Yellowstone. Good luck!

          • Brett –

            So there are two things happening here on the blog. People are looking for the treasure. People are also just telling stories. All of the crazy number related solving based on your letter falls in the second category. Just like the discussion about the hidden images in the driftwood.

            No one could possibly believe any of its true.

            They do it for another reason.

            What’s your initial or early thought here on where the treasure is? Yellowstone? New Mexico?

            Lugnutz

          • Why would someone marry a lifer? I’m guessing tax relief? Or maybe it satisfies some dark fantasy they have, risk free.
            How are you helping them? Another guess, but maybe they get some vicarious enjoyment through your adventures? I can think of several other reasons, but they’re not as flattering.

          • To clarify, I meant flattering to the lifer. Thought of another benefit to a lifer – it would give their daily existence some purpose. Nothing worse than having no purpose when you wake up every morning.

          • “I won’t get into the details and bore you with why I didn’t care about that with her…”

            Judge James Jones presided in that case. That name sounds familiar 😉

        • Hello Brett. With Ms. Pomrenke given a 30+ months prison term, and if she was fortunate to have solved the poem, assuming she had responded to you with such answer(s), and you claimed the treasure chest, how would you deal with Ms. Pomrenke?

          • Hello… first let me say I do not think she will solve the poem. For 7 years tens of thousands have not done it. I do think it will happen though. I must reiderate that I am not looking for any of the people I sent the book or poem to solve it. All I am doing is looking for a different perspective from someone that has nothing but time. They literally have nothing but time. Think about that. No mortgage to think about … no job to think about…food is served to them in their cell.. I think u get my point. Also it’s not like I didn’t offer them anything.

            Now to answer your question … first I must say I do not think it will ever come up but let’s assume it does. I would handle it just like you would if a neighbor/ friend gave you a solve… what would you do for that person?

            Everyone is too fixated on the treasure and the value I believe. To someone serving time in prison, a lot of time I might add… the treasure to them is some stranger treating them with respect and asking them for there help, corospondiing with them and maybe the commissary …

            Also I might add that this is only one of say 100 things I am doing. I don’t even think it’s in my top 10. It also required very little of my time and a small amount of money.

            I think you would be surprised how much people are williing to help you if you know how to ask them. And people love to give their opinion. Just look at this blog. Everyone has an opinion.

            The treasure to me is solving this. Oh and meeting ff! I have been really lucky to meet some of the people I have and ff …is hands down … one of my all time favorites! My only regret is I didn’t find this sooner. But everything happens for a reason … I believe. Good luck!

            Ps. Let’s assume someone I send info to actually solves this and I go out and find it… I would happily pay them there fare share. Wouldn’t you?

        • (Second try.) Responded, but it didn’t go through. Hope Dal will bring it up for me. I would like to hear your response to it.

    • Brett

      you can comment here if you wish or you could Email Dal (right side-bar) to see if a new thread is necessary. I for one thought you might be fake and some invented tease by Forrest. Am still a bit dubious tbh.

      btw, I kept splitting two dealt face cards when I recently visited LV, much to the humour of the dealer and other players, but won every-time (they stopped laughing after the fourth time) – what’s the rule on that? and is there one?

      • Don’t want to stop you from being dubious. Winning is all that matters… so if splitting 10’s worked for you.. congrats. Yes there is a rule. NEVER split 10’s. But who likes to follow rules?

      • thanks mate, although I lost $70 over the course of the night, I must’ve drunk $100 in beer (a long thirsty drive in) ..so Caesars must be really hurting after that, i imagine 🙂

        moral rules? most definitely yes
        but silly political rules? ..not a huge fan of those tbh

        best o’ luck all the same tho
        🙂

        • cheers for your honesty Brett

          although I stand firm on my ‘well above’ comment – I s’pose we just vastly differ in that respect/concept, ’tis all

          ..I must confess to enjoying your s.o.h btw, as you’re much funnier than Dal can ever muster[BANNED!]

          [signed: thee anonymous pirate ..with a GREAT s.o.h, fyi.. ]

          [darn that pesky out-spoken hobbit!]

          ..D’oh 🙂

      • Thank you…The more decks their are… the better chance the house has.. so single deck. Always better to be last in black jack… the more cards you can see, the better your decesiion is going to be.That being said.. the only winning hand is not to play.

        • Brett,
          Do you feel like your running the gauntlet with all the Black-Jack questions?
          I use to enjoy 21 and Poker @ Bill’s Saloon before it got bought out. Most of the time it was a quiet friendly place… and not so high stakes. How’s the new ownership doing? Just in-case I get the itch again.

          • No don’t feel I’m running the gaulent on the black jack questions. As to Bills. It’s actually the same ownership group (Cesar’s) they just rebranded it years ago. I preferred when it was Bills too.

            Don’t get the itch…

            Still a lower stakes place… not sure about the friendly part… a lot has changed. I’m sure there are some friendly dealers … I prefered ones that bust. I didn’t care how nice they were. Then again I wasn’t playing to have a good time… I only wanted to win. They could have cussed me out as long as they were paying my bets! I never go in there now so I actually can’t tell you how it is.

          • I hear ya,
            I was commenting on the players actually… many locals out for a good time. Well, until the drinks go to their heads…
            Now the palms are beginning to itch… hope it’s just psoriasis.

        • Thanks Brett, I guess your email/letter to Forrest and you are real! I think a lot of us here were skeptical! Craps is my sweet tooth game but just for fun once in a blue moon. Good luck and welcome again to Dal’s Blog and The Thrill of the Chase.

    • The Gambler has shown his tell…I suspect that this is not the first time said Gambler has been on this blog. “Call” it intuition…whatever you want…this Gambler is too smooth with responses to certain posters to not have read a lot of earlier posts. I’m “all in” on this one….

  43. One thing that caught my attention was the 44 (age of Brett) + 19 years in Vegas (odd number) and Blackjack which = either 21 or 11. Added together they equal either 74 or 84. What is significant about these numbers? Forrest is not 86, so what happened two years ago, or 12 years ago? Interesting.

    My age is 74, but I am sure that that is just a coincidence – nothing there.

    JDA

  44. One thing that caught my attention was the 44 (age of Brett) + 19 years in Vegas (odd number) and Blackjack which = either 21 or 11. Added together they equal either 74 or 84. What is significant about these numbers? Forrest is now 86, so what happened two years ago, or 12 years ago? Interesting.

    My age is 74, but I am sure that that is just a coincidence – nothing there.

    JDA

  45. Another question. Brett says that he went to Vegas at age 19 to be a Blackjack gambler. Las Vegas has strict gambling rules. You must be 21 to gamble in Las Vegas. How could Brett be a Blackjack gambler at 19??? JDA

  46. BTW, before anyone wastes their time trying to relate this to the unabomber, the property that Ted once owned is below 5,000 feet (but not by much). It is now owned by Donald Nygard who lives in Henderson, NV (and at one time lived in Gilette WY). The entire 1.4 acres is below 5k though.

    Personally I think FF sent this in because it made him laugh.

    • hhmmm, interesting …seems to be suspiciously silent on defending his (non-existent) moral front also…

      ( ..don’t mean to repeat myself, but… hhmmm, interesting)

      (ok, I’m finally going to bed Dal ..you can (deservedly) relax now 🙂 )

  47. Oh Brett….come out come out wherever you are. Did you play poker last night? Did you do well? What was your best hand of the evening?

    • Bret – BRET – BRET !!!

      Where are you? I need you to answer my question – When are you going out to search for the TC? I need to know! JDA

      • JDA— I am going out starting approx May 1st. Weather permitting of course. As to some of your other post … I want to address things you said just to help you out with some facts. First there is nothing at all to my message to ff. There is ZERO meaning in the numbers (9 and 1) or any words in it. I just think you need to know that so you don’t go down a rabbit hole. There is also no connection to Unabomber and the treasure. ff just liked the email, thought it was unique and asked to post it. This is not a clue of any sort. Hope that clears some things up. Good luck!

        • Isn’t the poker “unibomber” Phil Laak?
          To keep on topic, when do the snows melt in the Rockies and who started the idea that the clues may not start north of Santa Fe? That was a brilliant thought.

          • Hello Bob. As far as the snow, it depends upon the season’s snowfall and which state in the Rockies. Most melts around May or June. There’s some areas that stay year-round such as the Never Summer Range.

          • Thanks, PDenver. I was in the RM many, many years ago and noticed snow patches in June. Any measurable climate changes since then?
            Also, I am curious about whether the clues, themselves, must be in the search area…say, perhaps the first, or second clue might be near, or below Sante Fe. Could the first clue be IN Santa Fe, or other historical place like Old Mesilla, in plain sight?

          • Bob;

            Anything is possible. It just depends on how you interpret the 9 clues. Forrest has said that the treasure is 8.25 miles north of Santa Fe. He has said that there are nine clues, and if followed precisely, will lead to the treasure. He has made no comments re where one must begin the search…that is up to you. He mentioned Toledo once, maybe we are supposed to start there, but I doubt it. Just my opinion. JDA

          • JDA, I completely agree. Only the treasure chest is in the RMs. To my knowledge he has not mentioned any restrictions, if you will, pertaining to the clues, hints, etc., so they can be literally anywhere.

            So I suspect the size of the game board is probably a lot larger as a result for many searchers.

          • Hello Bob. I moved to Colorado in 1977 and I believe there have been little changes. La Niña and El Niño affects the regions. You’ve asked good questions and I’m not sure how to answer them.

          • Although Forrest has left it open, regarding whether the start point is within the RM’s, my guess would be that it IS within the RM’s.

            As I read the clues, there is nothing that would indicate a long trip from ones starting point to wwwh. From wwwh to hoB the distance = “Not far, but too far to walk” – a relatively short distance (Less that 15 or 20 miles is my guess) Unless one of the other clues was right on the edge of the RM’s, where else would one logically veer away from the RM’s, only to return to them? So, my belief is that all clues are within the RM’s. JDA

          • JDA, this is going to sound like one of those professional politicians I abhor. Believe me, I’m not trying to stir up that wasp nest by contradicting myself to what I just posted, but my WWWH is in the RMs, but what brought me to that spot is not located in any one of the 4 search states.

            Sounds like double talk for sure, but it’s not. That’s what I see anyway.

          • Bob,
            http://mysteriouswritings.com/six-questions-with-forrest-fenn-over-five-years-of-the-thrill-of-the-chase/

            Jenny – “Can a little girl in India, who speaks good English, but only has your poem and a {map of the US Rocky Mountains}, work out where the treasure is? And would she be confident as she solves each clue, or only confident when she has solved them all?”

            F – “The little girl in India cannot get closer than the first two clues.”

            Although F does use the word “closer”, I would have to assume that the 1st 2 clues are above SF & on the map in the book, (highlighted area) “too far to walk”.
            This map is of the Rocky’s in the US that little Indy could use.

            This answer doesn’t support that the next few clues after the second clue are in the search area but I would be hesitant to think any of the clues are not in the search area.

            Once again, I will eat my hat if any of the clues are not inside the search area.

          • Jake;

            I doubt that you will get any takers on this bet Jake. The first sensible bet you have made in a while. – Just my opinion – JDA

          • PC;

            If something outside of the four states led you to a wwwh that is in one of the four states – GO For It! Good luck to ya’ JDA

          • Thank you much JDA. It would be nice to do a meet and greet with other searchers once this is all done and we’re not falling over ourselves like a bunch of freshmen trying to impress the teacher, and we all who that is.

            Take care………and don’t forget gloves. I’d suggest one of those extension mirrors car mechanics use too.

          • Jake –

            “All the bets I have made are sensible JDA.”

            Did you look up the definition of sensible Jake? The only way I can see your statement as factual, is if you have a really strong stomach.

            You may want to reconsider some of the previous bets you’ve made. Wagering a hard biscuit instead might be a better option. Just a suggestion.

          • The bets are still good aren’t they Hma?

            You can squawk all you want right now & not email me for a bet but throw your pompoms away.

            Put your hat where your mouth is Squawk me all.

          • Jake –

            Whatever you might bet would pale in comparison to the treasure chest that is waiting patiently.

        • Thanks Brett. Good luck on your search in May.

          Thanks for clearing up the (9 and 1) and words statement. Glad that there is no unabomber connection. Good luck in your gambling and search – JDA

          • Thank you sir! I apreciate the nice words and luck! I will need it. The ff is pretty crafty to say the least!

          • JDA
            We’re all gamblers. Just have to get all the odds in your favor. The thrill of the chase! Don’t roll snake eye’s! Get the odds in your favor. Rock by rock by rock.

            Condor

          • Brett – Enjoy the chase. F is one of the most interesting, creative, crafty, and intelligent guys around. It’s so amazing that he created something such as this chase and also continues to share more things with us. Very few folks would be willing to open up and share as much as f has. I know I’m thankful to be living at this point in time so I can be a part of the f’s chase!

            Best wishes and luck!

          • All I see is cheerleaders with their pompoms in the air.

            YEA, go team!

            Well, either way it’s a lot less competition.

          • Jake-

            “All I see is cheerleaders with their pompoms in the air.”

            Really? You can’t have something positive to say? As far as I’m concerned, f deserves his own cheerleading squad for what he has done. Think about the entire positive impact that the chase has had since it began. The true worth, is far more than any of us can calculate.

            We should all be thankful for the chase Jake!

          • Hma: “We should all be thankful for the chase Jake!”

            There are some that would disagree & some cannot speak.

          • Jake,
            You seem to going to the dark-side… maybe check the batteries in your life-saver.
            Who are the some ? you speak of, and seemingly for.

            I don’t hold FF on a pedestal nor do I blame him or the challenge presented, for people being obsessed, stupid and at times dangerous to themselves in their decisions they make… and only they make.

            We might as well throw out all Geocaching searching as well. Or any of the hundreds other made treasure searches. There’s a nice list on MW’s ~ Why stop there… NO skiing as well.
            Make it a law to have adhesive ducks in ever shower and /or tub… wonder who is going to enforce that?

            How about dirtbikes and quads, boating, fishing?? One poll shows over 600 deaths from recreational fishing and over 2600 injuries in 2015.

            No need for the cheerleader squad, but the stats for the chase still have it as; a fun recreational time. What I have noticed over the years is, when some start to have doubts they will ever find the chest, “some” go dark and menace and question the safety of it all.

            I’m calling BS Jake. because this is the third time you leaned this way… WHY?
            Who are the “some” you speak of?

          • The word ” all ” is 100% in my mind & Hma used it describe everyone & I don’t think that “all” is accurate at all.

            There we go again…
            He just clumped everyone in the same cat.

            Most are grateful including myself.
            But there is about 5% that did foolish things against better judgement.
            The majority rules once again from a majority man.

            Not all waving their pompoms in the air.

          • Seeker

            “If you only knew the power of the Dark Side – search your feelings, you know it to be true.”

            besides, maybe that’s why Forrest recommended a flash-light (?)
            🙂

  48. JDA & Iron Will,
    Hey men, Timothy here, I would like to know “what Article” is This in? What paper and if true WHY HASN’T FORREST or DAL SAID SO ON THIS SITE!!!
    My understanding from wayyyyyyyyyy back Forrest told Dal when it is found and verified by Forest that he ( Forrest ) will make the announcement here on the Blog and on OLD SANTA FE TRAIL site. DID I MISS SOMETHING???
    I’ve been down sick at the hospital for quite a while so I need to catch up…
    Please tell me it’s a lie and Forrest has said it has not been found. He and Dal and a few here that I’ve been talking with for years now, is all that I would believe…
    Thank you guys in advance,
    Timothy

    • all I know is they seemed to be clickbait titles to make you go to their website, then it’s like pop up crap. Nothing new, I’ve seen that the entire Chase.

  49. JDA
    I agree with you and Iron Will. I went the same sites and none of them were able to be located or loaded. Malicious sites for sure…
    Would still like to hear one of them say it’s still out there. My mind has to settle down… This has happened before and will again…
    Timothy…

    • Timothy – If I remember correctly f said that when the treasure is found, he would contact three major news outlets to make an announcement. My gut tells me that whomever actually finds the chest won’t be creating websites to make an announcement. The person or persons that make the discovery would make contact with f to let him know but for the most part, the finder/s will choose blend in rather than drawing attention from the outside world. This is just speculation on my part.

      Logic says that if the finder/s of the chest go public they would be giving up a lot of privacy and will bombarded with media, other searchers, and possibly others who will want not be so kind. Maybe I’m wrong. I have noticed that some searchers won’t be shy if they find the chest and I’m not sure if they’ve considered all the baggage that would come with going public.

  50. JDA
    First, Thank you. I have not heard about the media but I was talking about F putting it on this site anf Old Santa Fe Trail, which is Forrest site. This weather has for sure given searchers a chance to get out there. My wife said no way until it warms up. She is such a sissy.
    Great to see that you are doing well and I hope that we all can get out there soon. Oh yea, what was that junk about with f and Vegas? Man Brett really got some of the searchers going.
    Thank s
    Timothy…IMHO.
    BE SAFE…

  51. Brett…I moved down hear( I spelt that wrong so you wouldn’t feel bad) so that we could start fraesh. Can you give the searchers an update as to how your experiment is working?

    • I gave an update in a reply early… but here it is again… TK rejected the book. That means he simply didn’t take the mail .. he never opened it and he had no idea what was in it. Also this is kinda common. The other 9 were accepted and 6 of the 9 have gotten back to me. Some of them in email and others in a hand written letter. Remember I didn’t ask for my email to be posted and I didn’t come in this forum to tell my story. I only decided to respond because so many people went crazy and tried to read into these emails as clues and I felt it was my duty to set the record straight. For a couple days I was actually not going to say anything as I didn’t want to ruin people’s thoughts and dreams… but the responses were so Insane (imo) that I decided to make comments. I did this as a favor … I could have sat back and laughed as I’m sure ff has with some of the crazies in here. I had zero to gain actually. I just felt bad and figured it was the right thing to do. Also I knew the facts as to the email I sent.

      • Thanks very much Brett…that was very fair of you. Good deeds and honesty should always prevail. Good luck with your cards …and good luck for treasure search. over and out

        • “but the responses were so Insane (imo) that I decided to make comments”.

          LOL!! Brett, now you understand why F wanted your email posted!! All in good fun.

          Good Luck in all your Endeavors, Brett!
          ……………………

          “Read the blogs for entertainment, and the poem like you were going to put an X on a map.f”

      • Brett –

        Um, they don’t think you are real. You are aware of that right? Some think you are Forrest. Some think you are a previous chaser. Yelling them you are not will only make them look deeper into the meaning of your words.

        The discussions about you continue elsewhere.

        What’s your thinking right now or initially as to where the treasure is? Which state and something brief would be great.

        Lugnutz

        • I already set the record straight so they can think whatever they want. I chose to respond because I felt bad they were wasting time on a non clue. I can’t control what people think. But I will say that I am not nearly as clever or smart as ff. And I am not a previous chaser. I do think it will take a crazy person to find this is my opinion so alot of them have hope.

          As to my thinking right now..it’s way to early. I didn’t get into this thinking I would have a solve anytime soon. I am actually taking the next year to spend my time trying to solve this. I am using all the resources and time I have to work at this full time. ff spent 14+ years writing this poem and I don’t think I can decode it in a matter of weeks.

          For me and my team (I’m not alone and I’m not counting the prisoners) this really is about the thrill of the chase. I look forward to seeing the Rockies and just searching in general. I only gamble to win … I don’t love it. It’s a job. I want it solved and I don’t care who does it. Of course I want It to be me…but I would be happy if anyone solved it. Meeting ff and hearing his stories is my treasure.

          Also if I solve the poem, I’m not giving ff that bracelet back. It will become my favorite possession.

          • We agree in something many do not. I won’t give him the bracelet either.

            I was asking what you think in a very basic way. Like it’s probbaly in NM because he probably drove from home.

            Here’s the thing. It’s likely the poem can’t be solved on it’s own. The clues started out as easy or obvious and over time he worked them into something more difficult and puhaps loosing all sight of the original. As a consequence imo we need to look at lots of possibilities and check them out.

            All above is opinion
            Lugnutz

          • Lnutz

            maybe you could both store the bracelet in an air-tight vault for 30 days (?)

            just don’t forget to NOT accidentally close the door on your way in.
            ..’safety first’ right? 🙂

          • Just curious why you wouldn’t give the bracelet back? It’s all that Mr. Fenn asks for if the treasure is found. I’ll gratefully return it to him with a great big smile on my face. Why would you want to hold onto it?

          • Brett et. al.,

            2 things:

            The bracelet – I have a hunch that as an incentive to return it to the Chase Master, he’s included some thing like a cash reward if it’s returned.

            Title to the Chest – I realize this encroaches on the legality thread domain, but I’ll say it regardless. I’m pretty sure I’m not the first to make this comment, but I’ll say it anyway. F thinks of everything, no stone unturned, precision, and all the other derserved accolades.

            So there’s a good possibility he’s created a document (Legal Zoom?) where you simply fill in your name and now you own it all. It belongs to you because you now possess clear title.

          • Brett—-

            Mike below says he thinks you were joking about keeping the bracelet—if that’s the case, ignore my question.I normally pick up on sarcasm, but apparently did not this time. All the best in your search!

          • Pinatubocharlie

            I absolutely agree with you. and Stanza 5 covers that legality nicely for me (imho) without need of cash rewards either.

            so too does ’30 days in a vault’ and ‘me wearing the bracelet etc’ make legal sense ..imho

            I suspect that ‘the secret something’ that’s quietly spoken of, for the finder only, may contain that very theory, hopefully (for the taxman 😛 )

            and if you find it before Jake does (pray pray) ..then we should both (including Sparrow) open a bar in the Bahamas i reckon (imho)

            – it’ll be great fun 🙂

          • Roger that Hobbit, If what you suggest is correct, can you imagine your emotions (sanity) just sitting there and sweat it out? What a white knuckle ride.

            I’m leaning more towards some kind of modest incentive inside the chest because he is so sure that it has not been found as of the last time he said that. Dal, do you know?

          • Hello Pinatubocharlie. Mr. Fenn has stated that he would announce to everyone when the treasure chest is found.

          • PD, Ithink you may have meant to address your comment to Brett’s post.

            Nevertheless, I have a question that has been previously discussed somewhere on the blog before. How will f know when it has been found? I ask because I suspect there are many searchers that may decide to remain silent for a host of reasons.

            As a result, there must be something compelling in the chest that either motivates, encourages, or forces you to contact him.

  52. Bernie Madoff with a ton of loot for many years…only to be exposed as the biggest fraud of our era. He was sentenced to 150 years in prison…both his sons are now deceased(1 by suicide…other to lymphoma). The rest of his family and associates will die with a dark shadow cast over their name forever…All for what? Some how…I wish Bernie could respond to that question….FOR WHAT?
    I am so grateful for the humble life I live ! Long live the Chase !!!

  53. Roads leading to THE successful State of the final solve…. might involve many locations on the global map. The Flyer doesn’t seem to have lived his life; or done things on too small a scale.

    SL

  54. Brett, Brett, Brett…..

    You’re not stretching a tangent like Forrest has suggested to us all… If you’re going to go All-In, then you need to empty your pockets.

    Consider this Hypotenuse — adding O.J. Simpson, Charles Manson, Joran Vander Slot and other celebrity apprentices to your team. Who knows what you will discover? Maybe a missing body along the way. Maybe your own if your not careful. I like to say, if you run with the wolves, don’t complain about catching flees.

    Are you a numbers man? Oh yeah, I forgot you’re a professional gambler. When you read about the Chase, Master Fenn he loves to circle back again-and-again to West Yellowstone and YSNP. Just on sheer numbers, I give this location an 80% chances and all other places a 20% chance. A diligent hunter will have a “Yellowstone Solve” and an “Other” solve. How is your homework coming? Has Fenn’s secret swimming hole shown up in your work-papers?

    And please know that I’m just needling you for Fun… Welcome to the Chase! I can tell you have a creative mind and sense of humor. When you said you were going to keep Fenn’s favorite bracelet and it would be your most prized possession I almost fell over. LOL.

    Welcome! Mike

    • So many stuck on Yellowstone, may as well be looking in Laos. His stories from Yellowstone, Temple, Montana, his jobs, Laos are all represented in his special place. His special place is a place he does not mention in any of his stories, it is a place with reminders of all his stories all packed into one special place. His tombstone is already there but it is not a cemetery. His spirit watches over it and all who go alone in there. If you been wise you follow nobody but your imagination. Followers are not so wise, leaders are!

    • Yes, Mike,,, Realizing how much Forrest seemingly loved Yellowstone, It should be part of the chase, right?

      Interesting thoughts about the bracelet… even though I too would consider it the most prized possession in the chest, I think I would be inclined to give Forrest back his bracelet, and savor watching him go on the Today Show proudly wearing it.

  55. What Brett is doing isn’t really all that crazy when I really think about it. I have put out a request for help from ghosts, and so far I have Billy Barty, Mark Twain, Houdini, and my grandmother on board. What’s great is that when I find the loot I don’t have to split it with anyone. Grandma just asks that I make a donation to the Salvation Army which will be no problem at all.

  56. If you are all in on this challenge, it’s important to remember. It’s a long road. When one half of your brain asks you. What, are you doing? Let the other half answer. I’m livin the dream baby. Livin the dream. g

  57. Brett,

    the problem I see with using inmates will be this…
    An inmate sends you a solve to the chest…you check and the chest is “not” there but the inmate “insists” that you have the chest based on their solve and now they want their share.

    There is a knock on your door in the middle of the night……

  58. Brett, Not sure if you will see this or not. How’s it going with the chase? Forrest created something that is very difficult and maybe with you being new it will offer an advantage. F alluded to that in an answer to a question on the MW site recently. Do you feel like you are making any progress at this point?

    Whether you are making progress or not, your idea is unique. I think f is also very unique so we all might be surprised by his poem before it’s all over.

    Good luck!

    • Hi- sorry it took me a while to respond… it’s going great with the chase as you say… it’s been a fantastic journey so far.. it’s a lot of work but also a lot of fun.

      As for progress … that’s up for debate… if you mean progress as in …am I close to a solve?? …I would say you have to define close… but if you define progress as how far I am from where I began, I would say we’re light years away from our starting point…. but still have a ways to go. But overall I am VERY happy with the progress so far. The tricky thing about this is you never know until you find it. I could be within yards and I could have the wrong state!

      As I have said earlier, the prisoner thing is just that… a thing. It plays no roll in my day to day activities involving a solve. It was just an idea to get some people to think about it and pass their thoughts to me (us). I have heard back from 6 of the inmates and 2 of them I believe are on the right track with the poem. The other 4 belong on this blog…

      When I decided to chase after this… I knew it would take me away from everything else for at least the next year and I can tell you I am very happy I did it.

      What’s better then being a treasure hunter???

      I agree ff is unique!! That’s an understatement actually.The one thing I have taken away from this adventure so far is how great his mind is to come up with this. I too believe when the poem is solved that we will then really see its brilliance.

      Thanks for the luck!! It is needed!

      • Brett;

        Glad that you are making real progress. As “GE”once said, “Progress is the most important product.”

        So two of your inmates believe that they are on the right track. Are their “solves: similar? In the same area?

        As far as I am concerned, there is nothing better than being a treasure hunter. A “Treasure Finder” would be the only thing to top that as far as I am concerned.

        Forrest truly IS a UNIQUE individual. The person that can unravel the poem will have put in a LOT of work, and brain-power and imagination!

        Can’t wait until that SOMEONE does solve it, and yes, then we shall then really see its brilliance.

        Keep on a hintin’ JDA

      • Brett –

        “Hi- sorry it took me a while to respond… it’s going great with the chase as you say… it’s been a fantastic journey so far.. it’s a lot of work but also a lot of fun. ”

        Thank you for the response and I’m glad to hear things are moving in a good direction. It is a lot of work and very fun!

        “As for progress … that’s up for debate… if you mean progress as in …am I close to a solve?? …I would say you have to define close… but if you define progress as how far I am from where I began, I would say we’re light years away from our starting point…. but still have a ways to go. But overall I am VERY happy with the progress so far. The tricky thing about this is you never know until you find it. I could be within yards and I could have the wrong state!”

        I agree that if you miss anything in the poem it’s not likely the treasure chest will be found. Some say continuous and some say contiguous. I like contiguous the best.

        “As I have said earlier, the prisoner thing is just that… a thing. It plays no roll in my day to day activities involving a solve. It was just an idea to get some people to think about it and pass their thoughts to me (us). I have heard back from 6 of the inmates and 2 of them I believe are on the right track with the poem. The other 4 belong on this blog…”

        When I found out that you had chosen Stacy Pomrenke as the 1 woman, I would have placed my bets on her. Sometimes women have an advantage over men and sometimes they have too much imagination. I’m not sure if she ever got back to you, but to me, the person/s that solve the poem will be able to balance logic and imagination correctly. I do remember f saying that he had plenty of guts and imagination so maybe some guts will be needed as well.

        “When I decided to chase after this… I knew it would take me away from everything else for at least the next year and I can tell you I am very happy I did it.”

        I have no regrets either and it has proven to be very challenging and fun.

        “What’s better then being a treasure hunter???”

        I can’t think of much other than solving the poem and finding the treasure! I love to share The Thrill Of The Chase with others. It’s not for everyone but it has had quite the impact on some.

        “I agree ff is unique!! That’s an understatement actually.The one thing I have taken away from this adventure so far is how great his mind is to come up with this. I too believe when the poem is solved that we will then really see its brilliance.”

        I totally agree Brett! It might even leave some speechless.

        “Thanks for the luck!! It is needed!”

        Yes, a little luck can go a long way. I noticed an interview that was recently done where f stated “The treasure is out there waiting for the person who can make all lines cross in the right spot.” It sort of reminded me of the movie It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World! Sometimes my imagination can be good and sometimes it’s too much.

        • Stacy is in a unique situation compared to the other prisoners I sent the book to. She has a short sentance, has family and money. So her time is occupied. That being said I still decided to send it to her based on a few other things.

          I actually think my other choices of inmates that are serving life sentences under 23hr lockdown are a lot better candidates. My only reason for choosing prisoners in the first place was I wanted someone that only has time to think.

          ff has said numerous times –THINKING is the most important piece to solving this. So if I chose prisoners who are serving life in solitary confinement I believe they will have the best views on this poem. It has nothing to do with them never being able to search themselves. Just imangine your life is spent in the bathroom 23 hours a day for the rest of your life. Now think about how this treasure affects your own mind and how much it consumes you and I think you will see how a prisoner is the perfect person to give me a different perspective then anyone else. It’s not about them solving the poem at all.

          Also it was a very small investment for me and I have zero to lose.

          It’s hard to hire researchers for this project in real life. Solving a form of poker was a lot easier.

          • Brett,

            “Stacy is in a unique situation compared to the other prisoners I sent the book to. She has a short sentance, has family and money. So her time is occupied. That being said I still decided to send it to her based on a few other things.”

            I understand. I just found her name to be interesting.

            “I actually think my other choices of inmates that are serving life sentences under 23hr lockdown are a lot better candidates. My only reason for choosing prisoners in the first place was I wanted someone that only has time to think.”

            “ff has said numerous times –THINKING is the most important piece to solving this. So if I chose prisoners who are serving life in solitary confinement I believe they will have the best views on this poem. It has nothing to do with them never being able to search themselves. Just imangine your life is spent in the bathroom 23 hours a day for the rest of your life. Now think about how this treasure affects your own mind and how much it consumes you and I think you will see how a prisoner is the perfect person to give me a different perspective then anyone else. It’s not about them solving the poem at all.”

            It seems like they are stuck in their cells for 23 hours a day and are not likely to ever come close to figuring out the treasure location. Since they are locked up forever and you can search, you are the top dog so to speak.

            “It’s hard to hire researchers for this project in real life. Solving a form of poker was a lot easier.”

            I understand. Not many would want to hire on to conduct research for a treasure hunt. Certain folks yes, but others no. You might have to burn the candle at both ends while doing it yourself.

            So I have a question. Even though you are somewhat new, do you think you have a state you would like to search when the weather warms up?

          • Yes we have a state. And a 25% chance of being correct. Hopefully in the next few months leading up to search weather we will be closer to 100%.

            In response to a few things you said… I said it’s hard to hire researchers … not impossible. It’s been done.

          • Yes we have a state. And a 25% chance of being correct. Hopefully in the next few months leading up to search weather we will be closer to 100%.

            In response to a few things you said… I said it’s hard to hire researchers … not impossible. It’s been done.

            “It seems like they are stuck in their cells for 23 hours a day and are not likely to ever come close to figuring out the treasure location. Since they are locked up forever and you can search, you are the top dog so to speak.”

            I think your mistaken here and I find in reading this blog a lot of others are mistaken about this. To say you can’t come close to the location is rediculous just because they are stuck in a cell.

            Who ever finds this will do so by solving the poem. Period. They will solve the poem BEFORE they go out and look. So it doesn’t matter if they are in their living room, an office or a cell. In fact being in a cell has advantages actually. But that doesn’t mean I think any prisoner will solve it. In fact I doubt they will… but one thing they will do is have a different perspective then anyone else. Maybe they will solve 1 clue. Maybe they will get frustrated and give up in a couple months. I don’t really care either way tbh. It was just a flier.

            I just find it interesting that people believe you can’t solve it based on the poem and the book. When in fact … that is the ONLY way to solve it.

          • It sure sounds like you picked the right group of people to THINK about how to help you solve the poem.

            Good luck to you. JDA

          • Brett –

            “Who ever finds this will do so by solving the poem. Period. They will solve the poem BEFORE they go out and look. So it doesn’t matter if they are in their living room, an office or a cell. In fact being in a cell has advantages actually. But that doesn’t mean I think any prisoner will solve it. In fact I doubt they will… but one thing they will do is have a different perspective then anyone else. Maybe they will solve 1 clue. Maybe they will get frustrated and give up in a couple months. I don’t really care either way tbh. It was just a flier.”

            You are preaching to the choir Brett. I completely agree. I guess in my last post which wasn’t exactly clear is that it might be difficult to find the treasure in the middle of the poem. Some stop at that point and think the quest is over. I have a different take on it. A much different take.

            “I just find it interesting that people believe you can’t solve it based on the poem and the book. When in fact … that is the ONLY way to solve it.”

            Again I’m in agreement. I think the book acts as a guide to the poem. If you can solve a clue the book can back it up with supporting evidence. No argument from me. I’m not the only the only searcher who feels this way. IMO there are some other components that help solidify the poem and book.

            I have only one spot that I would search at this point. Not saying I’m correct but I feel good.

          • Brett, Ingenious, NO, instead guess at a few words that end in ER. or maybe you need your convicts to help you, they would know.

          • Well, Brett;

            I wish you the very best with your project. Who knows, maybe one of your inmates will give you a new perspective on the poem that none of us regular searchers have been able to see.

            I know you are a gambler, but gamble only when it is safe OK? Don’t do something foolish and head out before it is safe – new perspective or not. JDA

          • Brett;

            If one of your inmates comes up with a new perspective, let us know whether you think it is good or not. Thanks. JDA

  59. Brett,

    “Stacy is in a unique situation compared to the other prisoners I sent the book to. She has a short sentance, has family and money. So her time is occupied. That being said I still decided to send it to her based on a few other things.”

    I understand. I just found her name to be interesting.

    “I actually think my other choices of inmates that are serving life sentences under 23hr lockdown are a lot better candidates. My only reason for choosing prisoners in the first place was I wanted someone that only has time to think.”

    “ff has said numerous times –THINKING is the most important piece to solving this. So if I chose prisoners who are serving life in solitary confinement I believe they will have the best views on this poem. It has nothing to do with them never being able to search themselves. Just imangine your life is spent in the bathroom 23 hours a day for the rest of your life. Now think about how this treasure affects your own mind and how much it consumes you and I think you will see how a prisoner is the perfect person to give me a different perspective then anyone else. It’s not about them solving the poem at all.”

    It seems like they are stuck in their cells for 23 hours a day and are not likely to ever come close to figuring out the treasure location. Since they are locked up forever and you can search, you are the top dog so to speak.

    “It’s hard to hire researchers for this project in real life. Solving a form of poker was a lot easier.”

    I understand. Not many would want to hire on to conduct research for a treasure hunt. Certain folks yes, but others no. You might have to burn the candle at both ends while doing it yourself.

    So I have a question. Even though you are somewhat new, do you think you have a state you would like to search when the weather warms up?

  60. I’m not a fan of this Brett.

    “Yes we have a state. And a 25% chance of being correct. Hopefully in the next few months leading up to search weather we will be closer to 100%.”

    There is no “WE”. There is only him. Those ten inmates will simply be a punchline for his fame in the national media, if he finds it. It will play out on perhaps CBS Sunday Morning…something to the effect of,
    Brett: “Yes Barry, a few of the inmates had some unique thoughts on the poem, and after researching an idea I came up with from those thoughts, the poem suddenly fell into place”
    Barry: “Well that would mean you owe them a share each, right?”
    Brett: “Not really. You see, while each of their thoughts were eye-opening, I actually came up with the idea on my own from some key words they said, then researched them. Once I had done that, it all fell into place. That would be the same as seeing fellow bloggers’ thoughts, and recognizing some key words on a blog, then solving it with an idea I got from those words they mentioned. Does it really seem fair I should have to give all of those bloggers a share? I think not.”

    Unfortunately there are no rules to this treasure hunt, so people like Brett will obviously be a part of it. Hell, there’s probably a corporate conglomerate with a think tank of about a dozen interns working on it. If they crack it, the CEO will claim it and probably give the interns a bonus of 10,000 each, while claiming the other 95% and the fame that goes with it. I’ve seen so many of you dedicate so much of your life, pushing your own mental boundaries in an effort to solve this, that it disheartens me to think that someone like this could con the chest out of its hidey hole by playing the numbers and percentages. Hopefully this spring, Fate will stop those kinds of plans from ever coming to fruition.

    Brett… while politically, I wish you the best of luck, please know that in my heart and soul, which has witnessed such a enigmatic yet inspiring evolution of Hope throughout the course of this Chase, I cannot agree with the politics.

    • Will. I’m not buying this either. Not certain but for all we know Brett is Forrest. There are a few hints in those words that allude to post-newbie.

      Also Forrest has Infiltrated before. “Occasionally it’s wise for the fox to dress like the hound.”

      One thing to consider with inmates – I believe you need full internet access to solve this in a timely manner. You need to work backwards to validate hunches…. Otherwise they will pile up fast.

      Again, I’m not sure the message here is about inmates. It may be more about team mates and playing cards.

      -passenger

      • Passenger –

        Brett is a real person and an infamous one. Or I should say we did have an infamous person on tour named Brett and this does sound like him.

        However I will raise a flag. When he first started commenting I referenced and old nickname he played under and he did not react. I was saying hey I know who you are and he ignored it. So that is curious. Maybe someone who wants us to think he is Brett but doesn’t know the history.

        Maybe he will say.

        Lugnutz

        • Lug. I supposed I stepped in late and didn’t read all of the posts. There are a lot of them and no, Forrest would not dig in this deep.

          • Passenger –

            I think I have upset Brett and I didn’t mean to do so. I was just trying to say he is real. I did that because chasers often think all the letters and stories and scrapbooks are put ons by Fenn.

            I think Fenn enjoys the idea that he could be so clever as to be on the site fooling us. I just don’t think he does it. And he doesn’t need to since it works out this way often.

            It’s not who you are. It’s who they think you are.

            Paraphrasing Fenn
            Lugnutz

        • I have not responded to really crazy comments but since you have the record for the most crazy comments …I think I owe you a response.

          Much like EVERY other comment you have made … your wrong again.

          I don’t even know what “tour” your talking about . Nor does anyone else.

          Why is it that you fire off comment after comment being totally inaccurate and don’t change your tune?

          You have been totally wrong in just about every single post I have read of yours.

          I understand your whacky and crazy but at least try to be accurate and correct some of the time.

          Not even some… try once first.

          This post your talking about some tour, a nickname you know about and how I sound like that person …

          All totally garbage.

          What tour were you on? What are u even talking about when u say nickname playing under?

          Tell us about this infamous Brett your referring to.

          You do realize all your comments are still up and anyone can read them and if they wanted to read wrong information after wrong information they could look back and see that you have not been correct in a single post.

          Looking forward to header about the tour you were on and this infamous Brett I sound like and his nickname.

          • I thought you were Brett Richey. You eevn mentioned playing poker with Phil Laak.

            When it comes to the Chase I’m not wrong.

            You’re entitled to your opinion though.

            Fell free to ask me a question about something you think I said that you think is wrong.

            Lugnutz

          • I am not referring to your thoughts on the chase. I have no idea what those even are.

            I am referring to your post(s) in this thread only. And EVERY single post you have made in this thread is inaccurate …. or better… wrong.

            It’s not a matter of my opinion … it’s a matter of fact. They are all there for everyone to see. When it comes to Forrest gets mail 11 you have not said one accurate thing yet.

            I am not trying to call you out …but you say things like in your last post calling it a tour and talking about nicknames and how I could be ff. It’s just non-sense.

            We have already had a conversation in this thread on why you wrongly believed 9 men and 1 woman was reference to highway 91. Yet you keep acting as if your solving some mystic email.

            There is nothing to solve in this email from ff. He simply decided to share it because he thought it was interesting. That’s it.

            And I already explained the Phil Laak reference in as why I spelled unabomber — unibomber and you thought that was some clue also.

            I’m all for conspiracy theories but I will also shoot them down if I have facts. And I happen to have facts about myself .

            Also my real name is not Brett, like your real name is not Lugnutz. When ff asked me if I would mind if he posted the email on the blog with or without my name I said he could do whatever he wants but to leave my name off it.

            He sent he email to Dal to post and Dal chose the name Brett. When I first saw this post I thought ff chose the name Brett, I later learned ff had no clue about the nme as Dal is the one who chose “Brett” Brett was pretty funny to me as I saw it as a reference to the movie Maverick and the lead characters name, Brett Maverick who also happens to be a gambler. And if you read the first few post, when the crazies on here were thinking this was some clue from ff (that means you) you can see how they used “Maverick” …

            Imagine your me and you know you sent an email and you know ff didn’t make this up. Now go read the first 50 responses. I was never going to set the record straight so to speak but after thinking about it and seeing the rabbit holes people like you were sending others down I decided to comment. I feel bad when I see others wasting there time on phoney clues and non-sense.

            Your post were not the only ones to be fair. It’s just you keep going on about it. I do not want people like JDA for example, to read what you wrote and believe this email was some sort of cryptic clue from ff.

            Again, I would never shoot down or comment negatively on your theory about the poem but when your theory involves your “thoughts and idea’s” about something I actually know the facts too… I will comment just to set the record straight.

            Clearly I have not done that with every post in this thread. I see where people are trying to be funny or trying to show me how dumb an idea it was and I am ok with that. I understand blogs. And crazy ammuses me.

          • Brett –

            Ok to clarify then. I didn’t think that there was anything in your email at all. I don’t believe there is ever anything in the emails with Forest. I don’t believe there is ever anything in the scrapbooks either. No hints ever. No additional clues unless Fenn actually calls them.

            What I was pointing out with my comment is this. If the email is a set up and Fenn planted the numbers 9 and 10 and 1 THEN what? Isn’t that exactly what I said? Something like OK let’s say we are onto something here where does it lead us.

            I did that and I do that all the time because these chasers say a lot of stuff that doesn’t lead anywhere. So I always ask them and they almost never say.

            Let’s look at Zaphod Zipcode for a sec. He believes that BTFTW are really important letters. Those letters lead him to a specific spot. However he already had the clue solved and had the spot figured out. So my question then is how is that a hint?

            If you go beck to the top I’m sure i said there is nothing in your letter first. I’m also pretty sure I said Brett they think your Fenn.

            By the way there are now letters from kids posted and they think he wrote those too. So I am going to go there right now and spin the crazy wheel. You watch them chase it.

            Lugnutz

          • Brett;

            In one of your posts to lug, you said the following: “Your post were not the only ones to be fair. It’s just you keep going on about it. I do not want people like JDA for example, to read what you wrote and believe this email was some sort of cryptic clue from ff.

            Please don’t worry, I don’t. JDA

          • JD –

            It is nice of Brett to be concerned about your state of mind.

            I’m in another state. Another state of mind.

            Lugnutz

  61. I’m not a fan of this.

    “Yes we have a state. And a 25% chance of being correct. Hopefully in the next few months leading up to search weather we will be closer to 100%.”

    There is no “WE”. There is only him. Those ten inmates will simply be a punchline for his fame in the national media, if he finds it. It will play out on perhaps CBS Sunday Morning…something to the effect of,
    Brett: “Yes Barry, a few of the inmates had some unique thoughts on the poem, and after researching an idea I came up with from those thoughts, the poem suddenly fell into place”
    Barry: “Well that would mean you owe them a share each, right?”
    Brett: “Not really. You see, while each of their thoughts were eye-opening, I actually came up with the idea on my own from some key words they said, then researched them. Once I had done that, it all fell into place. That would be the same as seeing fellow bloggers’ thoughts, and recognizing some key words on a blog, then solving it with an idea I got from those words they mentioned. Does it really seem fair I should have to give all of those bloggers a share? I think not.”

    Unfortunately there are no rules to this treasure hunt, so people like Brett will obviously be a part of it. Heck, there’s probably a corporate conglomerate with a think tank of about a dozen interns working on it. If they crack it, the CEO will claim it and probably give the interns a bonus of 10,000 each, while claiming the other 95% and the fame that goes with it. I’ve seen so many of you dedicate so much of your life, pushing your own mental boundaries in an effort to solve this, that it disheartens me to think that someone like this could con the chest out of its hidey hole by playing the numbers and percentages. Hopefully this spring, Fate will stop those kinds of plans from ever coming to fruition.

    Brett… while politically, I wish you the best of luck, please know that in my heart and soul, which has witnessed such a enigmatic yet inspiring evolution of Hope throughout the course of this Chase, I cannot agree with the politics.

    • How’s it going Will? This is just another story line in the Chase. Is it real ? Probably about as real as all of the perfect solves floating around out in Searcherville. We would all probably be surprised at some of the scenarios that have played out over the years. This one is of a dubious nature…but what does it really matter. When I see stuff like this I kind of chuckle at all of the crazy rabbit holes I personally have fallen into. Live and learn…and move on.
      Don’t get all mushy on us Will…you might rust up on us and never get out there this spring to have some fun. I agree.. HOPE is rampant…let’s just not let her become a wayward ship that gets dashed upon the rocks somewhere.

      • Interesting conglomeration of thoughts. Fever runs rampant, in these long winter months, the green velvet shores of Isle de Colorado litter about with the artificial refuse of too many golden pyrites and the shimmering rainbow scarab is eating holes in the foundation of the Sands ..

        Brad

  62. Brett—

    Thanks for your idea. I have sent the poem and books to ten monks who had all taken a vow of silence anyway. They have plenty of time to work on a solve and will be saying nothing to anyone.

    One of the monks, Francois, seems very promising and has made great strides towards a solve. They are all used to living in small rooms, and differing from your inmates, they have volunteered to live in rooms the size of bathrooms rather than being incarcerated in them.

    I believe this voluntary attitude surpasses those of inmates. But I thank you for the idea. I just have a sneaking feeling that monks will solve this faster than inmates, but we’ll have to wait and see.

  63. Will you need a cup of hot chocolate! Your totally missing the boat. I will try and help you a little bit.

    When I say “we” I am never talking about the inmates and myself … I am referring to the other person(s) doing this with me. I am not at this alone.

    As for the prisoners, maybe this will help you understand it better…. take the word prisoner and change it to college professors. All I did was send it to 10 different college professors and asked them there opinion about it.
    That’s it.
    It was simple.
    It cost me a few hundred bucks. And it took me about 7 hours of research to pick the inmates. There is nothing to the number 10. I just like round numbers and 10 seems better then 8. As for the 1 woman, that too just happened. I didn’t set out to choose men and woman. It just happened. Truth be told the inmate population is 93% men and 7% female… funny how math works, so 9 and 1 makes sense. I had no idea at all if any of them would even read it, and if they did, would they even corespond to me about it. It plays no part in my solve. If they choose not to write me back …so be it. If they have a solve, tell there friend on the outside and one day I turn on CBS and see a prisoner solved it …I will be happy knowing I gave them the book. They owe me nothing. I knew the risk/reward BEFORE I sent the books out. It’s silly to me. This was such a nothing thing in my world. It was just a idea I did.

    It’s the same thing to me as one day I was at REI looking at maps and an employ ask me what I was looking for and if they could help, when I explained and let them read the poem, they of course had an opinion of where it was. I actually gave that person the of the book I had on me. If they went on to solve the poem I wouldn’t get an attorney and demand money and credit. I also didn’t give them the book with them signing a contract owing me anything. I did give them my email and told them to write me if they wanted to. They did write me. They thanked me for the book and told me their uncle was over at there house, saw the book and wanted ito read it and he will now be looking for the chest this summer! (How awesome is that!!)

    If they find it should they tell Barry about me? (LOL)

    Everyone that responds for the most part talks about the value and how if I find it based on information I received from a prisoner, that I will run into a “problem” with them wanting a piece. That’s laughable actually.

    First they are assuming I would not give them any credit or any money. It’s simply false. They are also assuming I would do media and take all the credit. I would do neither.

    If I am lucky enough to solve this, it will be because of choices I made with information I was given or I found. Just like anyone else.

    It’s funny so many are focused on the “problem” I would have if a prisoner gave me information that lead to a solve and then they say a prisoner can never solve it!

    Those same people also do not read what I have actually said. So I will say it again…I do not think a prisoner can locate the treasure from his cell.

    Meaning, actually pinpointing on a map the exact spot.

    But, I do think they can solve the poem and it’s clues.

    And that would lead the right person to the chest.

    If any of them or for that matter any person I have a relationship with gives me information that turns out to be THE information that solves it, they will get credit. Prisoner, liberian, friend… whom ever.

    So let’s play your game and say a prisoner gives me the info that solved it. Do they say

    “Barry the only way I solved this was Brett gave me the book so I actually owe him.”

    “Also, the Warden let me spend extra time in the library so I owe him”

    … do u see how silly this is?

    Do I have to give credit and money to a YouTube person that said something that lead me to a solve?

    To the person that made the map I used, do I owe them?

    Do you get my point?

    WHOEVER solves this will have a lot of help. It might be a computer, a book, a friend, a video, a blog. The information is out there for ANYONE to find. It’s up to them and how they find and process the information.

    Some people are just miserable and unhappy. They won’t like the fact I have time and money to spend the next 12 months on trying to solve this. These same people complain about Dal having a friendship with ff. People that are miserable are just that.

    It’s just plain nonsence. Nothing is stopping anyone from doing anything.

    Except excuses.

    When I responded ….” I have a state and I have a 25% chance of being right” I was telling the truth and being coy. I was trying to be polite and answer his direct question. I was also making a point of not giving out any of my information. But not for the reasons many would think. It’s not like I’m trying to be secretive about it. I just do not think this is the place or time where I should state my information.

    And being 100% open, I am just over 50 days into this and I don’t think I am close to a solve. I could be like a lot of others and post a solve or tell everyone how as soon as the snow melts I will go right to it. But I don’t want to be like the others.

    I don’t care if you like it or not but I at least want you to understand it. Maybe it will help if you understood the whole picture so, I will explain it a final time.

    For the last 25 years, I have made my living being a professional gambler. That means I bet on outcomes of sporting events and just about everything else you can make a bet on. I make my bets based on information I get. I do not bet on everything. I bet on EVERYTHING my iinformation tell me I have the right side. I do not win all my bets. I just win more then I lose. I have never worked for a company or got a paycheck from anything other then when poker was really big about 10 years ago, I got paid to wear company’s logos while playing poker. So that means, all of my adult life , I have made my living from betting on information I have searched for.

    Though I do consider myself a professional poker player, the more accurate discription would be…professional gambler. I say this because, poker is a skill game and there are a lot of “professional poker players” …that are not professional gamblers . I know a handful of guys (and a few woman) that have made 7 figures playing poker and have never bet on a sporting event or played a casino game. They have never even purchased a lotto ticket. The reason being is, they are strictly poker players. They don’t gamble per sey.

    So me being a professional gambler.. a.k.a an advantage player…
    I would say 95% of my time is spent on research. So in reality my job is a researcher. My “edge” is my information. I use that information to place wagers against someone else’s information. I get my information all sorts of ways. It is out there for anyone to do. I just happen to do it.

    When I was young I came to Vegas believing I could beat anything. Break it down, find the edge and bet it. This included black jack. And at that time it was actually beatable. But there was only one way to do it … with a group of players. A “team” so to speak.

    So being young and thinking I was smarter then others before me, I said to myself…

    “If a group of players can make 20 million, I can go make a million.”

    I learned quickly why a “team” was so important. And making a living playing blackjack wasn’t for me. They were not gambling. They were using math to beat the house. In order to do this…though 100% legal…they had to use a lot of “tricks” to pull it off and for myself, it didn’t interest me.

    About this time I learned that you could make a living playing poker and betting on sports.. so that’s what I set out to do.

    About 10 years later internet poker started. For the first 4-5 years it was like printing money. Actually it was better.

    That’s when an interesting thing happened… some “kids” started breaking down the game of hold em like no others had done before. They actually “solved” it… the game of No Limit hold em is bascialy solved.

    These “kids” created computer simulations that could simulate billions of hands and they took that information and used it to come up with a formula of how to play. They were not the first to use computer simulation or data. They were the first to use it in a way to come up with a game plan to play better then almost everyone else.

    It’s similar to what the MIT group had done with blackjack years before and what the “Computer Group” had done with sports in the 80’s.

    They could play a million hands in a matter of months. They could play 24 tables at a time, sometimes 24 hours a day. All of a sudden, some 20yo kid had played more hands of poker then an old time professional that had been playing for 50 years. Not only could they play more hands, they could play them almost perfectly. And a handful of them made 9 figures or mid 8 figures just playing online.

    The same thing is done today with DFS (Daily Fantasy Sports).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_fantasy_sports

    It’s all about information. But more importantly, it’s about how YOU compute that information. The same information is out here for everyone, yet a handful of guys are the ones making all the money.

    The I formation is out there for any person to find. You just have to think of a way to find it and then process it.

    So when I read the poem and the book and then started looking into it… I was surprised that no one had solved it yet. I had a lot of questions. Is it real? Is it really that hard? Is this Forrest Fenn guy just some crazy man? Does he even want it found? How have people gone about trying to find it? Are any of the 9 clues solved? Are there more clues?

    So I went looking for answers. After a few days I leanrned this was 100% real and it is out there to be found.

    So after talking it over with the boss, we decided to go after it. We would spend the next 12 months being treasure hunters. I would apply the same logic to this endeavor as I have done with everything else.

    And this is where I am today.

    I am lucky that I can devote all my time to search for the answers. I am having fun but I am also approaching this the same way any professional would.

    For me it is all about the thrill of the chase. I think everyone feels the same way. That is why we all think ff is so special. This really is a wonderful thing and I am having the best time. I think how he laid this all out is brilliant. I have been lucky to meet a lot of people in my life and ff is hands down my favorite. The more I get into this the more I love what he really did. It’s genius.

    Both my parents had jobs they had to do. They didn’t do what they really wanted to do. And they always told me to find something I love and try and make that your job. I am doing just that.

    This adventure Iso far…has been awesome.

    So I totally understand what you are saying and where you are coming from and I hope now you understand a little bit more of where I am coming from. I know you only know about me becuse ff posted an email I sent him about the books going to prisoners but, I hope you realize it’s just a little story that ff found interesting out of the 1000’s of emails he has gotten and he decided to share it. It is not my story….It’s just one of many things I have done and will do to locate the chest.

    • Brett –

      Here is a non crazy comment. I’m sitting at my computer instead of thumbing my phone. I can watch my spelling. I’m not going to use punctuation or quotes.

      You say that you are or were surprised that no one had solved the poem yet. First you don’t know that’s true. We are talking about what we know right? When you know things abut poker you can win etc. You do know that no one has found the treasure. Finding the treasure and solving the poem are two different things.

      I would say people have solved the clues and solved the poem. They just couldn’t find the treasure. They were close. Fenn had said searchers were within 500 or 200 feet.

      By now you should appreciate why it is that the poem is so difficult to solve. It’s because they are not numbered. No one knows with certainty what the clues are.

      If this puzzle looked like this;
      Clue #1 Begin where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down Clue #2 Put in below the home of Brown
      Well it would be done.

      This is why I say we have a better shot discussing ideas openly. One person identifies and solves #1 and then we move on.

      Lugnutz

      • As soon as you said –here is a non crazy comment– I knew it would be crazy. And of course you don’t disappoint.

        Clearly I am referring to a solve of the poem as finding the treasure. Anyone with common sense understands that. And I do know that no one has found the chest yet.

        This is a perfect example of where you think your being clever and your simply not.

        No one has solved the clues and the poem. Period. When ff talks about people being close he as also stated people have figured out the first 2 clues but they walk right past it. Meaning they haven’t figured out clue #3.

        But in the context I was using

        ” No one has solved it yet”

        I was simply referring to no one has found the chest yet. I think that was clear to everyone.

        This is typical of what you try to do. You will go after punctuation or spelling or length of post. Yet you have no problem posting total made up garbage and acting as if your on to something or you know something.

        Also read your post about the so called tour… you wrote it as if you knew something as fact and you were there! You even make it sound like you yourself were on this make believe tour and you know Brett well enough to know I sound like him. I mean it’s total BS and you know it.

        But instead of just saying hey I was wrong, you send another message off trying to smokescreen your crazy theories on me and this email.

        Those are facts. Not opinion.

        • Brett –

          You sound upset.
          You know i put down my phone and walked all the way over to my computer to show you respect and type out a response. As I have said I thought your were Brett Richey.

          Brett seems like kind of an odd choice for a screen name. Did you say that Dal chose the name Brett? Now that is interesting. I mean then you came here and joined under the name Brett.

          I think I’m coming around to the argument that you ARE Fenn.

          Lugnutz

          • Not upset at all. And you don’t need to go to your computer to post… no one cares.

            I explained in great detail the name “Brett”. There is no conspiracy theory there.. and yes I joined this blog Brett it made the most sense Lug Nutz.

            And you already explained your reasoning for thinking I was another Brett.

            What you didn’t explain is why you worded it like you were on some tour and you know that Brett and I sound like him. You also fail to mention that you searched professional poker players and you found one named Brett and you went with that. You make it sound like you yourself were on some tour and you knew that Brett and you believed I was that person.

            Just come clean… you don’t know anything at all. You spent a few minutes looking up poker players named Brett and you went with that one. Now you find out that isn’t my real first name and it bothers you that you wasted your time and now you know why I ignored your cryptic comment about some online poker screen name.

            I’m done here. Good luck to you and your solve.. but it sounds like you don’t need it and this spring/summer you will have chest. Since your never wrong about the solve.

          • Hooked up to a sleep study contraption so typing is getting laborious.

            I did want to say goodnight and good luck.

            If we are out searching at the same time I hope you’ll let me buy you a burger in Taos.

            They put green chilies on the burger there.

    • Brett

      I find it ironic how you repeatedly accuse others of being crazy, esp given your chose of search partners.

      although I find it unique to approach this puzzle in the style that you’ve adopted (re: relying on criminals to do your leg work for you) I hardly believe that we are all ‘crazy’ for having an opinion outside of your (highly conflicted) bubble.

      if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.

      ..quack quack
      🙂

      • “I find it ironic how you repeatedly accuse others of being crazy, esp given your chose of search partners.”

        I don’t repeatly accuse others of being crazy… just ones who took the email ff posted as being some sort of cryptic message full of clues. ESPECALLY after I came in this thread and set the record straight… MULTIPLE TIMES.

        although I find it unique to approach this puzzle in the style that you’ve adopted (re: relying on criminals to do your leg work for you) I hardly believe that we are all ‘crazy’ for having an opinion outside of your (highly conflicted) bubble.

        Do you read or just post? I have never said how I am approaching this puzzle. If your referring g to me sending books to prisoners then you should re-read what I have actually said and you will see that I am not relying on any prisoner at all for a solve. Idon’t even understand what you mean by ….
        “Opinon outside of your (highly conflicted) bubble”….
        I’m not in a bubble and I’m not highly conflicted. And I’m not calling anyone crazy for having an opinion about there solve,where they think the chest is or anything they say in regards to the poem…

        Hope this helps you Duck.

      • what’s ‘reading’, Brett? – sounds complicated

        re: crazy
        “Your not helping me.. your helping some crazy person(s) on this board”
        “I was never going to comment on anything you say since I believe your the craziest in here”
        “I have not responded to really crazy comments but since you have the record for the most crazy comments”
        “As soon as you said –here is a non crazy comment– I knew it would be crazy. And of course you don’t disappoint.”

        re: I have never said how I am approaching this puzzle
        “Hopefully now people will understand why I chose prisoners (among others) to send this too”

        I could cut ‘n paste til me scissors are blunt, but if ya wanna know the meaning of ‘truly crazy’, then try seeking the aid of ten monks ..or even Monsieur Barty

        (will the real Slim Shady please stand up)
        🙂

        • Look up the word context.

          Those 4 quotes were from 2 messages to the same person. Again, I am referencing people taking “Forrest gets mail 11” for some sort of clue email that ff made up AFTER I came in this thread.

          —re: I have never said how I am approaching this puzzle
          “Hopefully now people will understand why I chose prisoners (among others) to send this too”—

          How do you get me explaing why I sent the prisoners and others the book as me explaing my approach to the solve?? I have said numerous times that sending the book to prisoners has nothing to do with my solve. But I like how you take one paragraph and try and spin it so it will back up your theory. You could work for Hilary Clinton.

          — could cut ‘n paste til me scissors are blunt, but if ya wanna know the meaning of ‘truly crazy’, then try seeking the aid of ten monks ..or even Monsieur Barty—

          This has nothing to do with anything I said so I guess this is you calling the person that wrote about the Monks crazy. So it seems you agree with me.

          Mic drop…

          • and forget ya ‘Hillary” apogee btw – i’m strictly a Sanders fan

            but oh well.. 🙁

        • correction Brett Shady

          those 4 quotes were sent to three different searchers (read much?)

          and if sending books to criminals for feed-back has nothing to do with your solve, then why bother (spending hundreds of dollars) sending them in the first instance?
          (hmm …sounds a tad conflicting imho)

          Mic eaten ..for breakfast 🙂

          • I was wrong and your correct they were to 3 different people but they were all regarding the same exact thing— people believing “Forrest gets mail 11″….was some sort of clue written made up by ff. And more importantly I was referring to those that still go down hat rabbit hole after I came into this thread.

            That doesn’t change anything about my response to your claims and that your claims are bogus. I do like how instead of responding to what I said you point out how those claims were to 3 different people instead of 1.

            I explained already why I bothered to send books to prisoners (criminals)….sorry you don’t understand it. I also said ” it plays no part in my solve” and ” if they choose not to write back to me so be it”. Why didn’t you use those quotes?

            How did the mic taste?

          • I only responded in this thread to help people in here and explain to them that “Forrest gets email 11” is not a clue in any way and was not made up by ff.

            Look at the first 10 responses to this thread and HOPEFULLY you can see why I felt it was the right thing to do.

          • Also The only reason I commented to your response was to set the record straight. I don’t want someone to read what you said and take it like I was calling a bunch searchers crazy for their ideas on the chase (the poem, the clues, the state they think it’s in) I would never do that.

            I was calling them crazy for believing ff made up this email and this must be a clue… and only AFTER I came in here. I have tried to be nice and respond to everyone’s questions in this thread about this thread. I haven’t made a post in any other section of this blog.

            Thanks for the welcome. I’m leaving now. Good luck to you and everyone else. Have fun at Fenboree. Especially the guy who sent 10 books to the monks! I think he will be the one to beat…

          • just like airline food Brett ..looks like chicken, smells like fish, tastes like bacon

            welcome to the chase
            🙂

        • Sending the poem to ten monks was Barty’s idea. I asked my nurse if she thought I was crazy and she just smiled. What a nice nurse.

          By the way, Francois has zeroed in on Wyoming. I have to agree. I think that is where the chest is too. 🙂

  64. I accidentally hit the post button. As I was going to say, thanks for posting your thoughts. I didn’t really know what to make of the post when I first read it.

  65. Bret, thanks for the back story! What a wild life you have lived, guessing if we knew who you really were we could see you playing in past tournaments via youtube? Is there a mechanical flaw with the Chase? lol!

    • The fact it’s been 7 years and no one has found it is a testimate to how good this really is. I hate to say perfect as that word is a matter of opinion … but ff is no dummy! One thing ff said to me is that he is proud there were no mistakes made. No one has pointed out any mistakes to him and he has not found any himself.

      That’s pretty brilliant.

      • That is interesting how you put that Brett. Like my interpretation of “I give you title to the gold” it has a mistake if you knew the real story.

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