Reading the Blaze – Part Four

SUBMITTED JULY 2017
by DWRock

 

The Ultimate Solution

After returning home from my second trip it wasn’t days before the experiences and thought fragments resolved into the most undeniable solution to the poem yet!  This solution extends the track that I had been following tying together the complete arrowhead image on the map, the “f” Fort, and the previously unresolved lines of the sixth stanza.  I guarded my excitement because I estimated that I had run out of credit with Ruthie… at least for the season!  Feeling no need to research further I allowed my attention to drift away from the chase for a few months.  The last quarter of 2016 provided plenty of distraction.  Nothing gets past Ruthie for long!  She soon learned of my intention to make yet another final attempt in 2017.  I was surprised how quickly she adapted to the idea, but it was not accepted without a stern request that I would see resolution to this obsession with a third trip.  I felt completely justified and guiltless because I knew in my heart that I had earned a private viewing of Forrest’s magnum opus. Here it is…..

As I have gone alone in there

And with my treasures bold,

I can keep my secret where,

And hint of riches new and old.

This first stanza introduces Forrest’s intent in masterminding the chase.  There are no clues here that directly aid in the search, and interpretation is not necessary to finding the treasure.  Foremost he states that he acted alone in hiding the treasure, and that he alone knows of its secret location.  The last line of this stanza is intriguing: I think “riches” refers to memories and experiences real and/or possibly imagined.  It may also refer to the adventures that Forrest has experienced in his pursuit and discovery of artifacts; similar to the adventures that he now inspires others to experience in the search for his treasure.  The sentiment of this stanza contributed to my initial impression that Yellowstone National Park, Forrest’s childhood utopia and wonderland, is the location of his treasure.

Begin it where warm waters halt

And take it in the canyon down,

Not far, but too far to walk.

Put in below the home of Brown.

If Forrest had defined the search area as the entire continent rather than merely the US Rocky Mountains I would probably have arrived at the same starting point.  In the big picture Yellowstone National Park is where warm waters halt.  If you are not convinced then try driving past the Boiling River, Mammoth Springs, or Grand Prismatic Spring without halting!!  Looking back I wonder that I might have developed this solve more efficiently if I had foregone the hours of research and map study and instead headed straight for Yellowstone with an open mind.  All you need is the poem.  The ranger at the entrance gate will hand you a simple park map that is probably the easiest map on which to initially spot the blaze.

 

If Yellowstone is the first clue then the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone is the clear second.  One might notice that the first trail that leads into the “canyon down” to the river is the Seven Mile Hole Trail.  This trail is too far for Forrest to have completed for his treasure hide, but some part of it will be traveled in the end.  First we must get there.  Our attention has been drawn to the spectacular canyon carved by the Yellowstone River.  The length of river from the mouth of the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone and through the Black Canyon of the Yellowstone to Gardiner, MT, forms a bold arcing cut on the land that some might immediately recognize as resembling one half of an arrowhead outline.  The tip of the arrowhead is formed by the confluence of the Gardiner and Yellowstone Rivers which viewed from above is a striking point of land in itself.  Immediately down river from, or “below”, the juncture is the North Entrance to the park, the logical starting point or “put in” for the search journey.  If you are halted, as you likely will be during the season, by traffic at the pull-off and parking areas for the Boiling River you might decide to stop in and check it out.  One of the interpretive signs on the path to the Boiling River describes the phenomenon that warms the waters of the Gardiner River resulting in favorable conditions for the winter spawning of Brown Trout. The tail end of the Gardiner River is the home of Brown.

From there it’s no place for the meek,

The end is ever drawing nigh;

There’ll be no paddle up your creek,

Just heavy loads and water high.

The roadway from the North Entrance, past Mammoth, continuing toward Norris, and on to Canyon almost mirrors the complimentary section of the Yellowstone to roughly complete the classic shape of an arrowhead on the map.  This third stanza helps to hone this route into a more convincing symmetry making the image unmistakable, revealing the obvious intent of the author of the poem, and providing some important landmarks to be used to help identify the end location of the treasure using a precisely drawn arrowhead overlay on a typical park map.  First stop along this road is the featured area “Sheepeater Cliffs”. This feature is marked on the simple park map and is a straight forward interpretation of “no place for the meek”.  Drawing a straight line “from there” (the park entrance or “put-in”) to this featured stop on the road improves the arrowhead tip.  One navigating the arcing edge of an arrowhead being drawn in a counter-clockwise direction should expect it to trend leftward: “The end is ever drawing nigh.” This is generally true of our arcing section of the Yellowstone River and its complimentary section of roadway, but a few miles south of Sheepeater the road bends sharply to the right creating a large bump in the drawing that significantly disturbs the symmetry of the arrowhead.  This can be conveniently corrected by deviating from the road at Solfatara North trailhead to continue the tracing along Solfatara Creek Trail.  There is no creek (“no paddle”) for the first three miles, and much of this fairly linear trail runs in a cut beneath power lines (“heavy loads”).  The trail itself does not look very appealing for this reason.  Why would anyone go to Yellowstone to hike a transmission cut?  The only reason I could come up with was the near access it provides to the scenic Lake of the Wood (“water high”; sits at about 7800 feet).

If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,

Look quickly down, your quest to cease,

But tarry scant with marvel gaze,

Just take the chest and go in peace.

If you have correctly interpreted the clues of the second and third stanzas you have over three quarters of an arrowhead drawn on the map which can easily be completed by symmetry coming around to its starting point at the “canyon down”.  The end is the beginning.  The lines that follow seem to halt the momentum of the second and third stanzas.  The mouth of the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone is defined by the impressive Upper and Lower Falls.  The course of water between these falls when viewed on a map or aerial photograph forms the spine of the letter “f” oriented perfectly upright when viewed in cardinal alignment.  The crossbar comes in from the west as Cascade Creek drops down Crystal Falls to meet up with the Yellowstone River.  “Quickly down” could be interpreted as ‘cascade’, and “marvel gaze” might refer to ‘Crystal Falls’.  This stanza is designed to cause the seeker to pause here and ponder the whole of this “f” shaped feature that connects the ends of our blaze like the clasp of a necklace.  One feels the deep power and mystery of this place when looking down into the small gorge from the Crystal Falls overlook.  Is the chest here for the taking?  The broken stone wall out of which Crystal Falls pours, the steep sloping sides flanking east and west, the impassible raging falls barring north and south, the overlooks like turrets, and the walkways running the high perimeter of the whole requires just a little imagination to perceive the area as the “f” Fort.

So why is it that I must go

And leave my trove for all to seek?

The answers I already know,

I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.

This stanza, like the first, addresses the author’s own actions and intentions and contains no directions or clues for the searcher to follow.  The first and fifth stanzas, along with the final line of the poem, might be intended to aid in the process of legally transferring ownership of the treasure to the finder.  This stanza also hints at his overall mission in creating the hunt.  He has told us that the “thrill of the chase” began for him when he was nine years old and discovered his first arrowhead.  He continued to pursue this thrill as a youth in Yellowstone, as a fighter pilot in Vietnam, as a successful art dealer, and as an accomplished amateur archeologist.  The desire to pass his experience of the “thrill of the chase” on to future generations is why he created the hunt.

So hear me all and listen good,

Your effort will be worth the cold.

If you are brave and in the wood

I give you title to the gold.

This sixth and final stanza is the most complex of the poem.  In the first line Forrest asks us to listen to his words twice.  This instructs us in how to interpret the following word “effort” as both “f” Fort and F (as in Forrest) ort (as in his leavings).  “Will be worth” is translated as “will be even with” and/or “will be equal to”.  “The cold” is Glacial Boulder which lies at the head of the trail to Silver Cord Falls Overlook and Seven Mile Hole.  By tracing a straight line from the “f” Fort to Glacial Boulder, and then continuing that line an equal distance beyond it, the end location of the “F” ort (or treasure) lands on the axis of the arrowhead where the wooden shaft of an arrow would be fixed: “brave and in the wood”.  How fitting that the treasure lie where the arrowhead (which symbolizes the “thrill of the chase”) would be fitted anew with a wooden shaft so it could once again take flight!

On the dawn of the New Year I began reviewing the available materials for content that would support or conflict with my solution. I came up with a handful of doubts or concerns: Was my spot too far to walk? Was the location of the hide too random (not intrinsically “special”)?  Was I overreaching to fit my needs when interpreting Solfatara Creek Trail as “heavy loads and water high”? Was my interpretation of the 4th stanza weak or unresolved?  Was I overextending my imagination to conceive of the “f” Fort?  Most concerns I dismissed after a comprehensive review of Fenn’s comments.  If he had been vague about something (he is usually vague) I let the uncertainty favor my solution.  I discovered some comments (new to me) that further supported my solution.  A few stubborn concerns laid themselves low in my consciousness and later proved to damage my confidence in the final days before my trip.

The more time passed the more I believed that others must have identified the arrowhead.  How could they not see it?! The blog forums were buzzing with anticipation for this search season, and several commented that they believed that this would be the year that the treasure is found. By early March I could wait no longer and purchased a plane ticket for May 19th.  This would be about a week before typical melt off, but I took stock in rumors of an early spring.  Snow depth telemetry data from the Canyon area available online indicated that the snow mass had been sitting at about 150% of normal.  I worried about this, but still favored a competitive start, and began routine monitoring of the data every morning. The snow level sat at about 50 inches from the first of February… and sat… and sat.  When it was still 50 inches on the last day of April I acknowledged my folly and moved my ticket to my next available weekend.  I was glad that I did when May 19th arrived with 20+ inches still covering my search area.

In the last days before the trip my anxiety heightened.  One specific doubt that I had previously shrugged off now resurfaced and caused me to question the plausibility of my golden solve.  I had just watched the video recording of the Moby Dickens Book Store Q & A in which Forrest clearly indicates that there is a difference between the many searchers who have traveled unwittingly within 500 feet of the treasure and the few who had come within 200 feet.  Previously I had chosen to assume that these near-misses were made by the same people, and that Forrest had only improved the accuracy of the estimated distance over time.  The comment as I now understood it did not seem to fit with my solution.  All those hiking the Seven Mile Hole Trail would pass the treasure at the same distance (approximately 330 feet by my calculation).  If searchers on this trail weren’t looking for the treasure, then they would have no interest in deviating from the trail to accidentally come closer to the treasure.  A familiar feeling began to set in.  I could best describe it as low grade nausea or anxiety and might relate it to the feeling of being lost or uncertain of one’s surroundings, or the guilt after having done something wrong.  Doubt had caused me to hasten and half-heartedly search nearly every other location that I had been to on this journey.  In the case of Otter Creek I had to make a return trip before I was content with my search of the area.  Would this happen again?

Another concern was the randomness of my determined treasure location.  Most believe that the “very special place” that Forrest refers to is a favorite fishing hole, a secret scenic splendor, an unknown site of archeological significance, or an intriguing geologic feature.  It seems that most also believe that the blaze is a physical marker of some kind that will be found on site to reveal the hiding spot of the treasure.  The end location in my solution lands in a random section of undisturbed and untraveled pine forest with minimal elevation change.  There would likely be no scenic vista or geologic prominence.  The arrowhead blaze on the map is huge and I estimated that slight variations in its construction could account for upwards of 1000 feet of error in calculating the axis location near the base of the arrowhead.  The precision of the measure to the treasure location seemed to improve with the equidistant line drawn from the “f” Fort balanced through Glacial Boulder, but I expected at least 100 feet or more of error.  Any subtle variations to my interpretation of “your effort will be worth the cold” could change the mark significantly.  Forrest seems to have indicated that the one with the correct solution will smugly stroll from the car directly to the treasure.  For this to be true in my case I believed that there must be some marker or markings to guide me in once I arrive. This was the only part that remained a mystery.  I adopted a hunch that Forrest had left an arrowhead blaze on one or more trees to lead to and/or mark his cache.

I had a tight weekend trip planned arriving in Bozeman by noon on Saturday.  I knew the routine and my pre-planned movements successfully landed me at the trail head about 30 minutes ahead of schedule.  I could tell I was tired, though… I hadn’t been sleeping well for the past couple of nights, and I wasn’t thinking quickly on my feet.  Luckily I was only a couple of hundred feet from the car when I remembered that my maps were left in the trunk!  The sky was gray with diffuse cloud cover, but no rain, and the wind was whistling through and bending the trees causing the creak and chirp of tall and skinny pines rubbing together.  With no direct sun it felt later than it was.  Despite the initial ominous tone I quickly found comfort on the trail.  The ground was firm, free of mud, and the tracks were by a large majority human… I only identified one set of bear and cub prints.  After thirty minutes on the trail I came to a sign indicating I had walked one and a half miles from the Glacial Boulder trailhead and had one mile to go before the next junction.  I stopped and turned on my old Garmin GPS.  It struggled for a few minutes only finding one satellite… finally I grew impatient and stowed it.  Map and compass were more important to me anyway, but it would have been nice to use GPS for distance measuring and documentation.  The mileage sign is about a quarter of a mile down a section of the trail that moves due north and away from the canyon rim.  In another eighth of a mile the trail changes direction about forty five degrees to the east.  A quarter mile past this bend is the near point on the trail to my determined treasure location.  I did my best to estimate the distance by counting my paces from the bend and placed a rock on a log to mark the spot.  I didn’t send off into the woods yet, though… I walked a bit further to be sure I didn’t miss any marking potentially left by Forrest to direct the wise searcher to the cache.  The trail continued to rise gradually until it reached its high point several hundred feet beyond where I had placed the rock.  There on the left side of the trail I found large triangular or arrowhead shaped blaze carefully hewn into the side of a pine tree.  This blaze has a slight right tilt which if laid or projected horizontally would align nicely with the direction of my arrowhead on the map.  Just what I was looking for! Orienting the map I noted that if I walked back into the woods following the counterpoint direction of the tree blaze (or shaft direction if it were a completed arrow) I would arrive at approximately the same spot that I had already planned to walk to from my previously marked near point. This is how I started my off trail searching. By my estimate the treasure would lie between 300 and 400 feet from the trail. Due to Forrest’s use of 500 feet as the common near miss I made sure to walk over 500 feet along a fairly straight path and then doubled back with slight variation until I was back on the trail.  Just for curiosity sake I did the same on the other side of the trail following a line in the direction that the tree blaze seemed to point.  I repeated this process two or three times on either direction with variations including starting from my rock on a log spot to search through my pre-determined end, as well as, some exploration of various rises on the tree blaze side.  I moved slowly and scanned 360 degrees around my position at any given time looking for some marker or sign of human presence.  I found nothing.  I walked the wood for over two hours before I decided to pack it in for the night.  I planned to return the next day for a more thorough search, but my heart was barely in it.  I had arrived with some significant feeling of doubt and the failure of my initial attempt left me all but deflated.  I managed to nab a canceled campsite reservation at the Canyon Campground and settled in for much needed sleep.

I awoke at 5:30 am with daylight burning.  Pondering the maps a little I made a plan for the return to my main search area, but first I would make a couple shorter excursions.  I returned to the brink of the Upper Falls lot and walked out to Cascade Falls Overlook.  I carried a tent stake in my pocket thinking that if I found myself back down in the “f” Fort I would probe the earth where I had dismantled the rock cairn back in September.  It seemed improbable that the treasure be buried down there, but I found it hard to completely dismiss the curious find I had made in this mysterious and potent location.  Conditions proved unfavorable.  The rocky gulch that I had easily descended in September now ran water.  If I could find a safe way down I would have certainly gotten wet trying to cross the swollen Cascade Creek.  I peered down toward the small group of trees and renewed my affirmation that this was just too exposed a place for Forrest’s purpose.  I could not see the remains of the rock cairn.  It would be left a mystery to me.

I then returned to the Glacial Boulder, but instead of trotting down the trail toward my search area I paced off into the woods toward Canyon Campground.  My plan was to search a line drawn from Inspiration Point through, and balanced by, Glacial Boulder. This was based on an alternate interpretation of the fourth stanza in which the lines reference the successive overlooks: Lookout Point, Grand View, and Inspiration Point. I toyed with the word “inspiration” and its various meanings as being a central theme or motif in the poem: the key word to unlock “begin it”, “take it”, and “take the chest”.  In this less polished solve the “effort” was Inspiration, or to inspire, which was the Point, or purpose, of the chase.  I plodded through this section of wood in similar fashion to how I approached my search area the previous evening.  The contrast here was that the route was crossed by several well-worn paths of which some included old trail markers nailed to trees.  I made just one pass covering a greater distance than required before exiting directly to the road.

I then returned to my primary search area down the trail toward Seven Mile Hole.  Instead of walking all the way to the near point on the trail I chose to depart into the woods just a few steps beyond the trail distance sign I had encountered on the previous day.  I was attempting to follow the final length of the linear projection from the “f” Fort through Glacial Boulder.  This meant a quarter mile of off trail walking to get to the calculated end point.  I had changed the axis of my approach to more comprehensively address the potential error.  I continued beyond my “X” up onto a broad elevated area toward a labeled high point which happened to lie on my path.  I then expanded my wanderings to include any and all high points in the relative area. After about two hours of rambling through this wooded plateau I started recognizing every rock and tree and decided to return to the trail. I was disappointed but not surprised by the outcome.

I needed to get out of the woods and breathe the open air for a while.  I headed to Wapiti Lake trailhead to exercise the fleeting hunch that I had conjured up at the end of my second trip. Again pursuing the alignment of Glacial Boulder and Inspiration Point, but this time in the opposite direction, across the canyon, I aimed for Forest Springs, a thermal feature near the Wapiti Lake Trail.  A steady drizzle set in forcing me to don a poncho to avoid becoming drenched.  The rain couldn’t dampen the beauty of this easy two mile walk… Long range views of snow topped mountains, the company of grazing bison and elk, the smell of sage, and the added adornment of wild flowers had me in good spirits.  Before long I was amongst the trees again, but they seemed better nourished – generally larger and healthier than those of the previous wood I had explored.  The sulfur smell was not overpowering but rather comforting, as was the warmth and bubbling sound emanating from several white steaming thermal pots on either side of the trail. A few breaks in the trees offered views into the meadow valley to the south.  I passed a small body of water, and then arrived at the finger of woods containing Forest Springs. I walked along the small emerald green heated spring waters that followed the edge of the wood where it met with the meadow and led to a strip of calcite-rich sand.  I had come to the opinion that this was the most pleasant and scenic little walk I had taken in Yellowstone and speculated that Forrest would have done well to plan this as his final stroll before laying down on the box.  I didn’t stop to rest, though, and circled back straight through the wood toward the trail and then returned directly to the car. My treasure hunt was over but there were a couple more short hikes I wanted to take by the north entrance before the end of the day.

One was to walk the first mile or so of Rescue Creek Trail.  This cut across the flat plane of land that was my grand arrowhead’s tip.  I wanted to get another perspective of this wedge of land and possibly view the terminus of Bear Creek from the south bank of the Yellowstone River.  I enjoyed the short walk but decided not to follow through with the off trail hiking that was required to access the river view.

Then I exited the park, selected a site at Eagle Creek Campground, and set off to walk the Yellowstone River Trail down Bear Creek to the river. This ended up being one of the most interesting and featured short hikes that I had taken in the park. An old stone and plank miner’s cabin (Joe Brown’s?) remains in pretty good condition, but not accessible from the trail (at least in June) due to the impassible raging waters of Bear Creek.  The trail side was littered with rusty but intact old mining equipment.  From the foot bridge at the base of the creek I could see the mysterious doorway into the rock that was recently noted on the blog by another searcher.  I’m certain it has no relevance to the treasure hunt, but it is intriguing none the less.

Thankfully I returned home with no new twists of interpretation or leaps of insight to lead me onward into ever uncertain depth in the chase.  I was ready to welcome the resolution that would come with knowing that my solution was all together off the mark. Unfortunately, I could not reckon with this belief.  The arrowhead solution was just too good.  Reflecting on the past days I considered that my doubts about my solution may have limited my focus in the field, and that my expectation that some marker or marking would easily lead me to the treasure may have been unfounded.  Could I have walked right past it?  I wished I had been more thorough in my search of the area, and I imagined how I my approach would differ if I had another chance… I would locate to as near to my exact calculated treasure spot as possible and then slowly spiral outward from there within a range of reasonable error.  I would carry no expectation of a marker or marking… I would assume that the small chest lay somewhere in the area on top of the ground, but possibly covered by grass and tree fall… I would consider variations and side searches such as more exploration in the woods beyond the arrowhead tree blaze that I had found, but only after my primary search area was thoroughly combed.

Fortunately, a friend had recently moved to Bozeman who required very little convincing to jump in the car and go check my work.  He carried an operable GPS and arrived at the same general search area as I.  He then carried out the search I wished I had.  He had the same outcome.  I think I’ve found the bottom of this hole.  Do you?

DWRock-

114 thoughts on “Reading the Blaze – Part Four

  1. You found something !! Bottom of the hole??? If your satisfied I’m satisfied second look ??? Great story!!! Great scenery !! Great search!!!

    • bom dia ou boa tarde ou boa noite sou do BRASIL se poder perder 2 minutos seus olhe este rastreio no mapa google ou no earth boa sorte ESPERO QUE SEJA O QUE BUSCA
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        • como entende este livro tenho 2 semanas ue to lendo este livro pelo google pdf o mais interessante é as resposta dos calculos tipo ( 19 anos adormecido sendo 3 anos dele na segunda entao seria 19 -3= 16 quantas segundas -feiras tem 1 ano,são (dias-52-segundas feiras) dos 3 anos sao (dias-156 segundas feita) entao fica assim 3×52=156 (frase=pense sobre isso por um minuto,certamente adéverbio–>NAO SOU BEM VINDO
          O INTERESSANTE sobre uma pergunta que ele faz sobre indiana jones, veja sobre seu tesouro,(o que vc acha que é?
          respota: OURO PRÉ-COLOMBIANO
          uma dica reparei que ele nunca diz idade em numeros,teve uma exçecão veja( GEORGE BURNS TINHA 100 ANOS..
          Eu me perguntei este dias,perai falta algum neste tesouro,entao me veio a memoria aonde ta a CHAVE DO BAU,suas repostas estao no bau fora e dentro dele observe com calma a primeira imagem dele e veras.
          Bola de corda amarra 3 por dia em 1 ano entao ( c3xd365=1095.
          voce entendeu sobre o crime da bola.
          Ela nao repondeu, (olhe a reposta)
          Mas apenas continuo acenando com a cabeça e olhando pela janela.
          Cada parte da historia tem uma carta sao 4 cartas e 1 coringa.
          O coringa pelo que vejo em minha visao ta antes do poema (indecisao é a chave para flexibilidade) por ai ou depois do poema parte de maldades.
          Como se diz o coringa é tanto para o bem como pro mau.
          ESPERO PODE TER AJUDADO A TODOS EM ALGUMA DICA INFORMAÇOES OU ALGUM ABRAÇOS E BOA SORTE PARA TODOS..

          • Ah,não esqueçendo os anagramas e numeros no livro podem ser visto pelo google map observe em 60 a 100 de zoon no mapa

          • His answers are in the bau for and inside him calmly observe a first image of him and you will see. Rope ball ties 3 per day in 1 year then (c3xd365 = 1095.) You understand about the crime of the ball. She did not answer, (look at the answer) But I just keep waving with a head and a search out the window. Each part of the story has One card is 4 cards and 1 joker. The joker I see in my vision is before the poem (indecision is a key to flexibility) there or after the poem part of evil. As they say the joker is both for good as well as bad. I HOPE YOU HAVE HELPED EVERYONE IN ANY INFORMATION TIP OR SOME HUGS AND GOOD LUCK FOR EVERYBODY. Each part of the story has a card is 4 cards and 1 joker. The joker I see in my vision is before the poem (indecision is a key to flexibility) there or after the poem part of evil. As it is said the joker is both for good and bad pro. I HOPE YOU HAVE HELPED EVERYONE IN ANY INFORMATION TIP OR SOME HUGS AND GOOD LUCK FOR EVERYBODY. Each part of the story has a card is 4 cards and 1 joker. The joker I see in my vision is before the poem (indecision is a key to flexibility) there or after the poem part of evil. As it is said the joker is both for good and bad pro. I HOPE YOU HAVE HELPED EVERYONE IN ANY INFORMATION TIP OR SOME HUGS AND GOOD LUCK FOR EVERYBODY

        • Oi para todos novamente,mais uma descoberta do livro para vc Aron e todos do site busque no google ( significado glosa) vai ajudar voces e todos é importante pois faz referencia do poema e de partes que faltado do POEMA
          VEJA ABAIXO..
          O QUE SIGNIFICA GLOSA
          Glosa é um substantivo feminino e flexão do verbo glosar (2ª pessoa do singular do Imperativo Afirmativo e 3ª pessoa do singular do Presente do Indicativo). A palavra vem do Latim glossa, que quer dizer “palavra obsoleta ou de origem estrangeira”, do Grego glossa, que significa “idioma, língua, ouvir falar”

          O QUE É GLOSE
          O significado de Glosa caracteriza um tipo de poema presente na literatura do Brasil, mais especificamente dentro da literatura nordestina – é possível ver os poetas cantadores do Nordeste como os maiores utilizadores da glosa.

          Por isso, muitas vezes, a glosa é apresentada de maneira cantada e feita no improviso.

          De toda forma, a glosa é uma construção literária dividida em duas partes: o mote aparece primeiro que, juntamente com dois versos, apresenta o poema, fazendo uma pequena introdução. Após, a própria glosa surge, dando seguimento à composição do poema – normalmente, é composta por 10 versos: os dois versos que apareceram no mote também se repetem ali.

          Glosa também pode ser uma palavra para indicar uma nota explicativa que surge em um texto, esclarecendo uma palavra, trecho ou um sentido do texto (podendo ser uma interpretação ou um comentário).

          Glossário é um termo que derivou-se de glosa. Então, por extensão, glosa é uma palavra utilizada para se referir a uma explicação fornecida dentro de uma conversa diária – ou seja, em uma conversa, quando uma pessoa interrompe aquele que está falando, para explanar um ponto que ficou confuso ou obscuro, ela está apresenta uma glosa.

        • isto é interessante veja vocé

          sabe se acharam algum (Conger mesa) encontrei isto lendo um depoimento de um buscado do tesouro 16 toneladas do LEON TRABUCO VEJA VOCE E TODOS ISTO GOOGLE MAP
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          VERA UMA PEDRA E ALGUM DENTRO AMARELO

    • great story I just watched a doc on net flix that might strir a few of Mr fenns dreams it was called un branded a trip from mexico to canada with horses through yellowstone a pic about sharing the land with the mustang good day all

      • Hi everyone, one more book discovery for you, Aron and everyone on the site search google (meaning gloss) will help you and everyone is important as it references poem and missing parts of the POEMA
        SEE BELOW..
        WHAT GLOSSARY MEANS
        Glosa is a feminine noun and flexion of the verb glosar (2nd person singular of the Affirmative Imperative and 3rd person singular of the Present of the Indicative). The word comes from the Latin glossa, which means “obsolete word or foreign origin”, from the Greek gloss, which means “language, language, hear speak”

        WHAT GLOSE IS
        The meaning of Glosa characterizes a type of poem present in the Brazilian literature, more specifically within the northeastern literature – it is possible to see the singing poets of the Northeast as the largest gloss users.

        For this reason, the gloss is often presented in an improvised manner.

        In any case, the gloss is a literary construction divided into two parts: the motto appears first that, along with two verses, presents the poem, making a small introduction. Afterwards, the gloss itself appears, following the composition of the poem – normally, it is composed of 10 verses: the two verses that appeared in the mote also repeat there.

  2. Enjoyed reading about your adventure, DWRock. With the highlighting on the map, I can see the arrowhead. I love the photos.

  3. Wow, DWRock! What an odyssey you’ve had! I think your solve(s) is/are elegant and have depth, layers. I’m impressed by how much thought you gave, imagination you used, and adjustment you did across your four journeys.

    You asked about the bottom of your hole. Here are my thoughts, for what they are worth. One thing that nags at me with every possible solve is very base. Was Forrest serious about throwing his body on top of the chest, or his bike in the waters high, or ending his life with the chest nearby? Or were these statements metaphors for where the chest is hidden? Some Suicide Gulch, or Forest Bridge, or Deadman’s Chest, or something like that? The answer determines a lot about where Indulgence may or may not rest.

    If the former, he had to have planned for decomposition of his physical being–either the chest is near something with a very strong (masking) scent), or it is quite far away from a trail. Others have written about how he’s said he thought of everything, and I believe that, so that means he somehow would’ve made sure his body wouldn’t be carted away from the TC by animals. Each of the 4 states has animals that would do that, and fairly quickly, too. Even had he planned to slide himself into a slot in a rock, it still seems to me like a crafty critter could get to him. (I’m sorry about the ghastly images of our dear Forrest this may conjure.) Maybe being very near to strong sulfur would be enough. Seems like bison, at least, walk all over it, though!

    The latter, that it’s a metaphor he’s built upon over the years, would mean that speculation about the physical view of the TC needing to be particularly special might be misplaced. A place can be emotionally special but not universally special in terms of how it looks. We imbue places with our feelings and that changes their appearance for us. Also, if it’s a metaphor or pointer to a like-named place, the concerns about body, decomposition, animals, etc. go away.

    Of course, it could also be both! I don’t know, myself. Just sharing thoughts. I noticed in your solves, you considered the former possibility, and it guided you.

    Maybe watch your dreams tonight. 🙂

    • dreams? I’ve watched mine the last few nights…. first was walked right to the chest, and pirates…. a few nights later, walked right to the chest and it was empty…. So if you analyze dreams…. does it mean I know where it is and it will be gone before I get there, or my brain really doesn’t know where it is, its still searching???

      • LOL! I think it was empty because you’d found the treasure a few nights before! I think a lot of us are thinking about this some (or a lot) every day; we are unconsciously sort through info, attempting to put things in different categories, associating things together.

        Sometimes conclusions I don’t even know I’ve reached can show up in dreams.

    • I appreciate your thoughts lady. I think that forrest would have counted on scavenging, but would have been selective so far as to be sure that no humans accidentally walked up on his remains. I don’t think animals drag carcasses very far. I think 200 or 500 feet from a solitary trail through a wilderness is plenty distant. I don’t think he was kidding about his initial intent… and I believe he still fantasizes about pulling it off.

    • Actually no. Pretty much everything I’ve done has happened after 9 oclock when my two year old goes to bed. I did plan and indulge in a ten day initial search trip and two weekend follow up trips solo. This has been fun and has consumed much of my free time since november 2015.

  4. DWRock- great info from your searches! If you follow the “f” backwards back to the firehole you would have the startpoint. The line from firehole goes thru canyon up to mirror plateau. Don’t forget to follow other directions, down from canyon, look quickly down, and paddle up. You are close to the blaze! IMO

    • John – I see that you have a similar approach but at first glance I am not won over by interpretation… too much discontinuity in features (unless I’m reading you wrong)…and I don’t immediately see where you’re going. I like the mirror plateau as an element, though…marvel gaze or just a reflective element for the blaze? I’ll look forward to reading your solve when you’re done with it!

      • Our solves are similar, start points different. I started from the firehole, there’s a face in the terrain view that looks into canyon and up to mirror plateau. There’s also a mark in tree at bottom of uncle toms trail; AOE.. Except its upside down in tree. I believe the “blaze” is the trail made from this line of sight. Take a look again and let me know what you think. Imo

        • If you’re implying using google earth to search I’m not likely to follow you. I’ve played with it some as a map tool but find that the details of the terrain and any zoomed upon objects in its images are not clear and reliable enough to use.

          • Oh the start is very clear! You can see face in firehole, left eye is covered. It’s just like the my war for me picture where half his face is light and the other half is dark. Imo

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  5. Nice effort DW, thank you for sharing. The arrowhead is a nice idea but did something in the poem cause you to be so focused on it?

    Also, how close to the YS river is the cabin at Bear Creek that you could not access? From satellite imagery I can see a bridge there at Bear Creek near the YS river. – A

    • Yes and I recommend camping at eagles creek and hiking down to the river along bear creek. Down and back in less than two hours easy. This is the start of the yellowstone river trail. I walked another section at the start of my first trip and it was awesome. I would love to backpack the whole trail with a couple of friends.

  6. DW—
    I truly appreciate the great effort you have put into your solve. It is very detailed, and must have taken quite a long time to put together. But I have to agree with Aaron—it seems you hit on an idea “arrowhead” and then have made everything “fit” around that idea. If you think “the chase has to be in the shape of an arrowhead” then you will not allow the clues to actually speak for themselves.

    You also state:
    “This first stanza introduces Forrest’s intent in masterminding the chase. There are no clues here that directly aid in the search, and interpretation is not necessary to finding the treasure”.

    I believe you are greatly mistaken here. The first stanza is very important in my estimation and DOES contain a clue(s). To skip this stanza is not a good idea at all.

    Again though, I do appreciate all of your effort—and it is very easy to be a critic–that’s for sure. But I wish you all the best in any future endeavor or search!! Thanks for sharing with us!

    • Sparrow –

      What is in the first stanza that you consider important?
      Some say that the first stanza HINTS at the location of where warm waters halt.
      Are you in that camp?

      Or is there something else you see.

      Thanks!
      Lugnutz

      • Lugnutz— Why is the first stanza important?

        I will use an example, noting that the poem has six stanzas:

        Tom: “Hey Jim, got the plans for the Carson building”.
        Jim: “Great, how many floors are there in that building?”
        Tom: “There are six floors. But you know, Tom, floors 1 and 5 don’t really appear to me to be necessary”.
        Jim: “You think so? Well, I’ll leave that to you–you’re the guy in charge of constructing it.”

        >>>6 months later<<<<

        (Rrrrrinnng!!!) Tom: "Hello"?
        Mr. Carson: "Just what the %^%$% are you jackasses doing over there? I gave you plans for a 6 story building, and you build a 4 story building!!!"

        You see, Forrest said that the poem is "architecture"—and this "architecture" has 6 stanzas in it. The poem is like that building. It is not up to us to decide which stanza is important and which is not. They are ALL important to the solution of the puzzle.

        • You appear to be assuming that. However, I
          don’t condone ignoring ANY of the poem, when
          trying to solve it.

          Regarding FF’s use of the word “architect”, I
          see this as a minor tease and small hint that
          tends to confirm my solve.

          The above is my opinion. Yours may
          differ, and may offend Linus if you share
          it with him.

        • Sparrow –

          I didn’t see this.
          The form of poem that Forrest has written is Ballad.

          In a Ballad, the first poem we teach, we write an introductory paragraph. His poem reads like someone who sat in a Poetry Writing class, or read about it on line.

          I don’t know what anyone means when they say there is a hint in the poem. I would only know if someone told me. If you told me what word in the first sentence is a clue/hint and to what, then I can tell you why It think you are incorrect or when this was discussed previously.

          OR I would say Wow that’s a new and original idea that we should all pay attention to.

          I take Fenn at his word. I believe Warm Water Halt is the first clue with no clue or hint preceding it. I believe there are several hints sprinkled throughout the text of The Thrill of the Chase.

          The first stanza is as to the poem as the Preamble is to the Constitution. I believe this quite literally.

          Lugnutz

        • Sparrow –

          Second response no that I see this in my email too.

          He never said architecture. Someone with JCM’s tome can pull the quote but I will paraphrase: I felt like an architect drawing that poem

          Lugnutz

          • Here is the quote: ““The poem in my book is something that I changed over and over again. When you read the poem, it looks like just simple words there, but I guarantee you, I worked on that thing … I felt like an architect drawing that poem.” F Hope this helps JDA

          • Thanks JD

            If you dont mind i would like to add that he didnt write that. He said that in response to a question. So he may not have planned it, may not have put a ton of thought into it.

            One of these days i have to remember to buy the JCM book. Is it easy to locate quotes?

            Lugnutz

          • Lug—

            JDA has the quote. Kind of interesting though—-“I felt lke an architect DRAWING that poem….” How do you draw a poem? 🙂

          • Every stroke of every letter. of every syllable. of every word, of every sentence, of every stanza.

          • Well maybe its

            I felt like an architect drawing.

            If what followed was blue print instead of poem you would find that sensible.

            I think he wants us to understand that he put a lot of effort into the book. That he went back, which I judge unusual for him, and carefully considered what he wrote.

            I think its obvious that he worked on the rhyme and meter after have written the clues or ditections. The poem is iambic and thats not how peo0le talk or write. He put work in. The meter changes but yiu can define it line by line.

            A ballad written in iambic quadrameter, and thats intentional. So i think thats part of the work over 15 years.

            Lugnutz

          • He did say that the poem is a map didn’t he? It is easy to see how a map is drawn – just extend the thought, and you are drawing a poem that is a map – easy-peasy – JDA

          • JD

            Fenn may have said the poem is a map, but it is not a map.

            The poem can be like a map.
            The poem can be used as a map.
            Tbe poem ia a poem and not a map.

            I suppose it COULD be a map.
            But then it would not be a poem.

            I am a man or maybe I am a tree
            Lugnutz

          • Lug;

            Forrest once said something to the effect that it doesn’t matter if I use the correct word, as long as the reader understands what I meant. True, a poem is a poem, and a map is a map at least to a college professor or linguist, but when Forrest said that the poem IS a map, I am sure that almost everyone listened to the meaning of what was said, and not to the exactness of the words that expressed the thought. Don’t get so hung up on how something is said, Lug, listen for the meaning, and you might be surprised at what you are able to hear. Just the mutterings of an illiterate fool. JDA

          • Do you have the Fenn quote JD? I go back and see Mindy telling us he said was a map. I vannot find that quote.

            Did he say “the poem is a map”?

            Lug

          • Sorry Lug, I can not locate it at the moment. Iknow that it was on Jenny’s site, About the time that the guy from Colorado drowned. Maybe someone with better notes can come up with it. JDA

          • Lug;

            You can not pick and chose the parts of a quote that you like, and cast aside those that do not match your argument. The quote reads, “Stop arm chairing that thing to death and get out in the trees where the “box” is, but before you go, look at the poem as if it were a map,BECAUSE IT IS, and like any other map, IT WILL SHOW YOU WHERE TO GO IF YOU FOLLOW ITS DIRECTIONS. f Again, Forrest wins the argument. Accept it. JDA

            “BECAUSE IT IS…”

          • I hate to admit it, but I had to look that word up … exaggeration to make a point.

          • There are multiple public comments from Forrest that indicate that the poem should be used to draw a treasure map over an existing map. I was a little irritated when he chose to make this painfully more clear in two separate comments this spring. Don’t spoon feed them, I thought! I don’t think he has ever alluded to the blaze being that which is drawn on the map, but I believe it is… and at this time I am happy to share all of my thoughts.

          • So you won’t allow that it is possible you saw the arrowhead shape on the YSNP map and then build your solve to fit?

            Sir you can make an “arrowhead” just about anywhere. All kinds of arrowheads out there.

            Lugnutz

          • Not only that but where is the arrowhead in the poem? Where did it come from? Why is it a clue or even a hint? I’m not following logic here. Is there any?

          • Lug- I do allow that. I think I made it clear that that was my process. The poem just fit that arrowhead soooo well… and then it just got better. I think that is how it is supposed to work.

          • Could be and we will know sone day.
            I just dont read anything that really leads me to belief we are looking for an arrowhead. Or an omega for that matter.

            I dont think Fenn ever brings up omegas, that is juat us. I feel the same about an arrowhead but i will keep an open mind.

            Lugnutz

          • Lug;

            Hyperbole = exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

            Are you saying that Forrest has posted something which we are not to take literally? What has given you this special insight into Forrest’s intentions when he posts something for us all to ponder? What is there in the statement that tells you this? You can’t just make accusations like that without backing them up Lug. You may be able to overpower some bloggers by your own hyperbolic statements, but not this old geezer.

            What is so difficult about saying – shucks guys, I was wrong on this one.
            JDA

          • As i mentioned earlier Fenn didnt post anything. He resonded to a question.

            And yes Fenn speaks in hyperbole JD. He clearly does not mean the poem is a map. Otherwise he would use the word map when he speaks of it. He doesn’t. He says poem. Every time.

            Like if i said your head is full of rocks. No one, especially me, would think your head was actually full of rocks.

            Would they?
            Lugnutz

        • Lugnutz—

          To clarify a bit. I think there are things “hidden” in the poem which are in actuality within plain view. We can read “right past them” very easily.
          I personally don’t believe Forrest would use 15 years to write a poem which only utilizes 4 of the stanzas for clues.

          I may be wrong, and this is MHO, but I would not discount stanza one.

          • Over 15 years.
            He worked on it over 15 years.
            Not for 15 years.
            If he worked on it for 15 years it would be both a better poem and a better map.

            IMO
            Lugnutz

          • I have the same opinion. Stanza 1 is very important. Without it I think a successful searcher would have a much lower chance at starting at the correct WWH. That is, if it is saying what I think it is saying.

    • Thank you sparrow and good fortune to you! I waged an internal debate and critique about many of the ideas and actions that came up during my search, but I never questioned the gift of that arrowhead. That is what made the whole thing interesting for me and I would probably have not returned once or twice again had I not perceived it. Maybe its like reading objects in the clouds…

      • {S clue s} or is beginning or end see by itself search google signified gloss, intersection vera that s track s missing some missing 2 verses outside the poem’s entry, forrest fenns says lines that intersect in a report this is a tip Itself, called the INTERSETION line.
        I’m sorry for the way here said more to trying to help someone find this beautiful treasure.
        I have a question to everyone that in these 2 weeks unveiling the book CADE THE KEY OF THIS BAU, SOMEONE CAN TELL ME .

    • {s pista s} ou é começo ou fim veja por si só busque google signficado glosa,interseção vera que s pista s falta algum falta 2 versos fora a entrada do poema,forrest fenns diz linhas que se cruzam em uma reportagem esta é uma dica dele mesmo,chamada de linha INTERSEÇÃO..
      me desculpe pela forma aqui dita mais to tentando ajudar alguen encontra este belo tesouro .
      So tenho uma pergunta a todos que nestas 2 semana desifrando o livro CADE A CHAVE DESTE BAU ,ALGUEM PODE ME DIZERER..

  7. BAM!!! Forrest’s jet fighter, The Home of Brown, shoots another one down in flame and ashes. Time to paint another skull on the fuselage.

    • I can see “As I have gone alone in there” to reference Solitary Geyser, but how do you make the connection to Mr. Fenn stating the first clue is WWWH, which appears later in the poem?

    • The parts of my interpretation that I feel the best about utilize the form and content of the poem completely… I dont believe that the poem is a jumble from which singular words or concepts are to be extracted and then related to a place or feature as in your example. Part of why I share this solve, and why I find it hard to move on from this solve, is that it works on a level above the common dissection or extraction approaches. Forrest did not embed nine clues into a poem… he designed the poem as concise instructions to guide the wise one to his chest. What the poem says has meaning. All of it. And most of it is instructions on how to find the chest.

  8. DWrock –

    To me this is on of the classic or classical Yellowstone solves. The other would enter the Park at West Yellowstone and follow the Madison and then the Firehole.

    This is also what Fenn describes when he says people get a clue or 2 and go right past the others. Entering at Mamothe Hot Springs whether or not you identify the “clue” as not, first or second doesn’t matter. The starting point for you is the same and you enter YSNP. Many have done so ans then divert in a thousand directions.

    One of my literal YSNP solves starts at Mammoth, follows Grand Loop, Bunson Peak is HoB, hike the Bunson trail passing the remnants of the forest destroyed by wild fire etc.

    Did you take the canyon down to far? Did I take it not far?

    We should be openly discussing all this and trying to work together to solve for X and find our way out of the labyrinth.

    Lugnutz

      • Aaron –

        Thanks for asking so I can clarify for folks.

        I do not have any idea that Fenn is talking about this area.

        What I am saying is that 2 people like me and DWRock can agree on the first clues or 2 clues, and then go in different directions. Either or both of us could be at the correct starting point and be gojng right by the remainder of the clues.

        It’s my opinion that DWRock is stretching the filed of play, lengthening the distance from WWH to TC, in order to accommodate his preconceived notion that the arrowhead artifice he created is somehow significant.

        I know why he feels that way. (Also DWRock could be a dude or a lady and I do not know.) One of my Clark Fork solves ends at Arrowhead Lake. It’s only natural to see the name of that lake and think Wow that’s it! Of course, it’s nonsense.

        Short of a End of Fenn Rainbow Lake, Arrowhead seems to be the most compelling lake name.
        Lugnutz

  9. Lugnutz wrote:
    “I do not have any idea that Fenn is talking about this area [Yellowstone].

    What I am saying is that 2 people like me and DWRock can agree on the first clues or 2 clues, and then go in different directions. Either or both of us could be at the correct starting point and be gojng right by the remainder of the clues.

    It’s my opinion that DWRock is stretching the filed of play,
    ———————————————————————————————–

    Is the above comment from Lug an example of “group-think”? Lug, you do not have any idea that Fenn is talking about this area [Yellowstone]”, but you and others are nevertheless stuck on Yellowstone.

    In my opinion, Yellowstone searchers have so dominated this forum for so long that most people who post here have eliminated all of the Rocky Mountains … except Yellowstone.

    If it were not such a cliche, I might say … how sad. Knowing the geography of Yellowstone is all that seems to matter to this “group”. There is no other land in Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, or New Mexico that’s in the Rocky Mountains, according to this group … just the Yellowstone/Galletin area.

    Have Yellowstone solutions been rendered … group-think or chliches?

    Maybe Dal could start a second forum for us posters who are interested in a wide variety of Rocky Mountain locations. 🙂

    Ken (in Texas)

    • Ken –

      I primarily search New Mexico and in my heart of hearts I believe it is there.

      I have solves in all four states as I try to keep an open mind.

      To me, Yellowstone National Park is the least like place for the treasure to reside.

      I think this board is dominated by searchers in Montanan including Jake Zap and HMA. I think we here them being the most vocal.

      Lugnutz

    • Ken, about 50 years ago I learned, in a high school class,
      about the various forms of propaganda. One is called the
      “bandwagon” technique. . . (i.e., “Jump on the bandwagon; everyone else is.”) This technique encourages conformity,
      regardless of any LOGICAL reason for it. Another (perhaps
      more familiar) example would be a flock of sheep running
      over the edge of a cliff. My mother would ask me “If everyone jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?”

      Nowadays, a reasonable answer to that would be “It
      depends on the circumstances. Why are the others
      jumping? How high is the cliff? What happens if I
      jump? What happens if I DON’T jump?”

      It doesn’t seem reasonable or logical to me to believe
      that the TC is in Yellowstone National Park solely because
      this idea “gets a lot of ink”. Most searchers will never
      successfully solve the poem, so I don’t assume that
      their solves will “hold water”. Remember, a long time
      ago most people thought that the earth was a (relatively)
      flat disk.

      Having said that, I’m not going to ASSUME that the TC
      is — or isn’t — specifically in YNP.

      If you specifically think that the TC ISN’T in YNP, would
      you be so kind as to explain why you think this?

      Good luck in your solving and searching. All IMO.

      • “If you specifically think that the TC ISN’T in YNP, would
        you be so kind as to explain why you think this?”
        ———————————————————
        Hello tighterfocus …

        Yes of course.

        … because of the severe legal restrictions of the governing agency >>> the National Park Service.

      • Remember that Forrest has indicated that the correct solution to the first two clues has been common amongst an unspecified number of searchers…. I believe he said something like “certainly more than a few”… so in this case the bandwagon might be headed in the right direction.

    • No plan for that ken. Actually my detailed disclosure is an attempt at personal resolution…. funny thing is that I still find the solve agonizingly compelling. I’m sure that I am swimming in bias, but I have heard of no other start, approach, completed solution, or partial solution that I feel better fits or has the potential to better fit the poem…and the contrary arguments offered be some have not shaken me. All stuff I’ve considered and brushed aside. Nobody has touched on the places that I feel are potential weak spots…but I’ve already mentioned most of those. My role now is to offer my perspective and help if I can. No return trip anticipated. If someone takes interest in this solve I can help them continue it.

  10. Getting back to the “poem is a map” discussion:

    Forrest’s antecedents many times are not what we think they are. The poem may not be a map. But IT could be a map if the poem is not IT.

    Forrest didn’t say that the poem was a map. He said to look at the poem as if “IT” were a map. We all assume that his IT is the poem. Maybe not. Stanza #5 uses the word “IT” twice. “So why is IT that I must go…” and “I’ve done IT tired and now I’m weak.” Maybe this IT is what Forrest is referring to. Stanza #5 describes IT as a location of the poem entity, I. Stanza #6 tells us how to use IT to show us where to go if we follow IT’s directions.

    I think that IT is the location of an on the ground image and must be used to determine the final direction to the gold.

  11. afinal tem 2 semana que to lendo e pesquisando o livro ja resolvimuitas coisas do livro,afinal qual distancia correta que ta o tesouro pois sou do brasil e varios jornais enfim dizendo 13 milhas e menos de 1.500 metros acima do nivel do mar,e uma pergunta que nao consigo entender aonde ta a chave do bau para abri-lo rsrrs alguem sabe ou ta junto com ele algumas pesquisas com numeros que fiz tava caindo em aspen,o poema falta 2 estrofe abertura comentario e o sxs fim,perguntas no livro ja resolvi quase todas,falta a linhas que se cruzão,chamas de interseção,separa comentario,e acha o glosa e glosar e achar palavra chave do tesouro e inicio e fim do jogo

  12. Great job on info collecting. Well written also .

    But I disagree. First off- if you even take a rock out of Yellow Stone you have committed a crime. IMO there is no way it would be hidden there. I have spoke to Rangers there. If you find it there it is not yours and belongs to the United States of America period no questions!!!

    Second I must disagree with you about
    As you have gone alone in there. The first stanza -is the rules.
    Third there are 3 _ _ _ _ _ in the poem . 9 clues – 9 signs if you will .
    8 sentences and one question ? Totally nine .
    Well, this is only opinion . Great solve and keep living your dreams.

    • Mr D and H – have you looked at the Legal Ponderings here at HOD (under most important info)? You may want to read up on the ‘no mans land’ strip of YNP…many feel that it is a piece of land that neither the park service NOR the state of Montana ‘own’ but rather share, such that both tend to ‘punt’ to the other’s jurisdiction…I expect a treasure find would not necessarily be viewed as any ‘normal’ goings on (people lost, crimes, etc.). But I’ve learned you cannot unequivocally eliminate YNP…what if FF wanted the find/$ to go to the park service? The finder still gets the notoriety (books sales/movie rights anyone?), but the govt gets the booty (would become an awesome display at park HQ IMO – who knows maybe the park hires you for interactive tours about how you found the famous Fenn treasure!). Just a few thoughts, all IMO

      • I believe forrest is equally confident in the legality of transferring ownership to the finder whether it is on national park, state park, national forest, or blm land. He would not want simplistic legal issues to rule out any of these public lands. He either took measures to ensure immunity from these potential hang ups, or he learned that they did not apply to this case, or both. I would not rule out or in any public lands in the search area based on legal assumptions.

  13. Ouch. The whole ‘trail turns sharply right’ and locating the arrowhead at the confluence after following it consistently turning left and doubling back to the start which is the end and finding where on the starting spot of the F Fort which is somewhere down by Gardner and Yellowstone (and if it’s a fort with four sides or three sides or five sides how do you know where on what part of the fort to start to line up with wherever Glacier Rock is?) completely confused me .. I mean if it’s Fort there’s more than one corner post right? .. Or was this from one of the turrets over by the gate house? ..

    I’m still confused ..

    B

    • You touch on one of the potential sources of error in my calculation, Brad. I measured from what I estimated to be the center of the f Fort. Roughly the crosshairs of the f or where Cascade Creek meets Yellowstone river. You have an image of my search map.

    • Yes! My friend is hiking the Colorado Trail right now, and is passing by Soldierstone TODAY. When I discovered it– a war memorial in the middle of nowhere–I thought it was an excellent place to hide the TC–profoundly great–except it is above 10,200 feet!

      • How timely! J.A. said it was above the altitude limit. I didn’t know that but wonder if there is a drop in altitude anywhere around there. I was looking at Brown’s Canyon but have yet to connect it to soldierstone. Sure did get my attention, though. I agree it seemed like a great place to hide something.

          • True, he said the treasure was below 10,200′ but “Look quickly down” – Look quickly down from a blaze at an elevation of – say – 11,000′ – down to below 10,200′ might work???? JDA

        • SoldierStone is less than a half-mile from the Continental Divide, Bob (which is about 11,600/11,800 ft in the vicinity), so yes, the land drops away – to Tomichi Creek over the Divide to the north, and to Saguache Creek to the south. Looks like it’s about 5 miles in the right directions to get down near 10,000 feet.

          You can clearly see the SoldierStone and its little retaining wall from the Satellite view on the usual online viewers. I use TopoZone – search for Sargents Mesa CO and take a look around where the top of Bear Creek crosses roads 855 and 578, and where 855 intersects the Colorado/Continental Divide Trail. About 25 miles SW of Salida.

          I agree (mostly) that when ff provides info about one element (WWWH is not related to any dam, fer example), it doesn’t necessarily apply to other elements in the Chase. But in this case, the SoldierStone is not as tall as the surrounding trees, so is probably not visible from very far away at all. And anything 10,200 ft or less that you can see from IT is far away – too wide and fuzzy a view for me to believe that it lets you cease your quest. That, anyway, is my initial knee-jerk view of it.

          JAKe

    • Really interesting site and story you dug up there, Bob. Very suggestive associations with aspects of the Chase and ff’s history. I live and travel in Colorado, and hadn’t heard of it.

      In terms of a Chase-Map, though, the stone itself is located just below the Divide, at over 11,400 feet, so unlikely to be the blaze.

      It’s also within 25 miles of Browns Canyon (the Arkansas River one, between Buena Vista and Salida), so someone looking at that area might find it worth considering as part of their path.

      Thanks for sharing it!

      JAKe

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