The Blaze…


This is the place to discuss the the blaze. What do you think it is? Is it temporary or permanent? Will it be around for a thousand years or doesn’t it matter? Is it easy to spot or difficult? Does the poem tell us what the blaze looks like or what it is?

Nick Lazaredes of SBS-TV’s Dateline in Australia interviewed Forrest in the spring of 2014. Here is Forrest explaining the BLAZE.

177 thoughts on “The Blaze…

    • The home of brown…. he is a fisherman of brown trout these where first introduces to the west via the firehole river …. going down the river you need to take a river without a paddle …. like the little firehole …. heavy load up the river till you reach water high a.k.a. a water fall as you look to the top the sunset sets the waterfall ablaze…. your gonna need a flashlight to walk out.

      • If it helps I have searched the south side of the Little Firehole pretty extensively as far as I could go till reaching a cliff face. I then crossed and found the trail that leads to the falls there. It is a heavily trafficked area and frequently visited falls. IMO if the TC was close to there it would have been found.

        Hope that helps.

  1. I believe the blaze is a natural feature & it will slowly disappear over time. So, in my mind, it ( the blaze ) has to be of some size to last. I believe it’s easy to get to but hard to find, one of Mr. Fenn’s cleaver layers. I don’t believe the poem tells you what the blaze is but it differently tells you what to look for. Everything he has said will be there 100, 1000, or even 100,000 years down the road. He is such a smart man with some of the things he’s done with this poem. It’s brilliant & all of this is just my opinion!

      • Charlie,
        I will be in the States this time next year, so better find it before I get there. I will ruffle feathers with this statement but… I know where it is & June 2018 just before my 48th birthday I will walk right to it. Good luck & times a ticking! IMO

          • Roger that Birdie. Good luck to you on your quest. If your solve involves getting wet, keep in mind that Rocky Mountain streams can be difficult/dangerous to cross in the month of June.

          • Thanks, I’m aware of the snowmelt and the dangers associated with running water. I’ve been told to be prepared & I will be.

          • i was crossing a stream in aug and the cold of the water took my breath away. i stood up and said ta da she up and krusplash. IT WAS COLD!!!!

          • I know the feeling, I did a polar swim once in Canada. Lol boy, that will jump start things fast. I’m a country gal with lots of common sense & plan on being as safe as possible. I don’t really see much to worry about though. I will follow Mr Fenn’s direction, as stated in the poem.

          • birdie how did you go from Georgia which BTW is next to my home state of Ala. Birmingham to be exact and i now live in N. TX

          • I think you’re asking about me being in Australia. I met my girlfriend on line back in 2000 & now I’m here in Australia with her. We are planning to get married when we are there in June. It’s going to be a big summer, no matter if I find the chest or not.

          • Oh NO Birdie its ROLL! TIDE! ROLL! you might not know who he was but mu great uncle was Zip Newman the sport writter at the Birmingham News.

          • * * * * * * Birdie wrote re a June search – ” I’m aware of the snowmelt and the dangers associated with running water. I’ve been told to be prepared & I will be.” * * * * * *

            Depending on the latitude and elevation of your trek in the Rockies, a LACK of sufficient snowmelt in June can be an obstacle as well.


          • Same to you, wildbirder! I only have one spot, that’s all. When I go next summer if it’s not there, I will post everything! I can’t imagine it being anywhere else. Everything lines up perfectly, all the hints & clues are there, everything is just so perfect. I’ve stopped looking & I’ve stopped researching my solve, no need to. I really can’t wait to share my information, that is after I see what Mr. Fenn plans to do. If he intends to return to the spot, I will never tell!

          • i cant image traveling as far as you do. i keep researching but we are very sure too lol. only time will tell. i resaech ideas as back up and to add to our material which at this point quite a lot.

        • Lol, good luck Birdie. If you don’t find it no worries, just e-mail me and maybe I’ll take you to it.

          If your blaze has : owl, jester/joker, alligators, coffin, grail, arrowhead, longhorn skull, and a “Y” stick I might just need to hurry and take a look. Again, good luck and stay safe.

        • I’ve searched three times (from quite a distance) and have enjoyed every minute of each adventure. No luck so far. If someone REALLY knew where the treasure was, they wouldn’t wait close to a year to go get it regardless of where they lived. Knowing the exact location is a round trip plane ticket, car rental, overnight hotel…a long weekend if you’re really pushed for time. However, I do like the degree of structural tension you’ve added for some searchers. Helps to reinvigorate some TTOTC efforts, not to mention…blood pressure. Send me a formal contract assigning 5% of the value of the chest, and 5% of book / TV / film rights… and I’ll go get it for you tomorrow. Hurry though, as winter is on it’s way. 🙂

          • I’m going through the immigration process here in Australia & have been dealing with this process for over three years now. My love for my wife is much stronger than my desire for the chest. That is why I still sit here. Good luck all!

          • I respectfully decline your offer, winter is coming & I know it’s safe until I get there. As long as you don’t know the key word, you are wasting your time.

          • Birdie: if you happen to know what I ~believe~ is the unambiguously correct keyword, you’re only the third I’m aware of that posts here — 4th if you include Forrest. 😉 If your keyword is a poem word (as it seems most searchers believe), then I wouldn’t be so quick to hop on a plane to go searching for Indulgence.

          • Zap,
            My keyword is not a word in the poem but I did get the keyword from the poem. If that makes sense!? Lol

          • Hi Birdie:

            “My keyword is not a word in the poem but I did get the keyword from the poem. If that makes sense!?”

            Your odds just went up an order of magnitude. And if you “got” the keyword from the poem more than once, your odds went up even more.

          • Zap,
            I have the correct keyword, it works throughout, no doubts there. If you could see my marvel gaze, you wouldn’t have doubts either. I’m not going to comment anymore, I’m afraid I will talk too much. Good luck !

          • Birdie: well maybe you do, maybe you don’t. Your posts only suggest you ~might~ have found it, mostly because you confirmed
            it isn’t one of the 166 words in the poem, but was in some way extracted from the poem. These are necessary conditions in my opinion, but not sufficient.
            Since I don’t know your state, there is a 3/4 chance you’re not in mine, in which case your keyword won’t match mine.

          • Zap,

            Good luck to you & everyone else searching for the treasure. I will be stepping back from commenting any further before I regret it. It’s Spring here in Oz & we live on a lake, much fishing to do. I hope you all have a wonderful & safe winter.

      • I agree, it’s simply elemental. You start with fire, it’s a blaze after all. Then add earth. The fire goes away and water replaces it. After a while all you have left is air. IMHO – in my humorous/horrible opinion

          • Birdie

            You said,

            “I have the correct keyword, it works throughout, no doubts there. If you could see my marvel gaze, you wouldn’t have doubts either. I’m not going to comment anymore, I’m afraid I will talk too much. Good luck !”

            Is your “word that is key” a word within the poem, or outside the poem? Can you answer that question without giving away too much of your solve?


          • Franklin, you asked,

            Is your “word that is key” a word within the poem, or outside the poem? Can you answer that question without giving away too much of your solve?

            The keyword is not a word in the poem but a collection of many.

    • Birdie, I agree with what you said.

      When you said that the poem is brilliant, that was quite an understatement.

      I thought the poem was brilliant about a year ago, when I
      had spent about 300 hours in solving.

      I now have spent about 400 hours in solving, and have an even greater knowledge of — and appreciation for — how brilliant the poem truly is.

      (Even that last sentence of mine is an understatement.)

      Some day it will be more widely known how brilliant FF was in developing the poem. I think it’ll happen next

      The above is my opinion.

      • Why do you think the poem is brilliant when no one has solved any of the clues? While I certainly agree that solving the poem seems incredibly hard, I do not agree that a person or poem is brilliant simply because it is difficult. It could very well be that the solution to the 9 clues is straightforward with the correct interpretation. Brilliant doesn’t work for me but I am usually wrong so there is always that to consider…

        • Toughshed, perhaps I mis-spoke a bit.

          Maybe a poem itself can’t be brilliant, but the poet can be.

          Until you know/understand the details of a
          correct solve, you may be unable to appreciate how much brilliance was involved in creating the final (published) version of the poem.

          Please be patient regarding a detailed
          explanation of all of this — which is not
          likely to be available (in my opinion) before July 2018.

          Meanwhile, don’t give up too easily
          regarding solving the poem. If you can
          do this, you’ll be quite impressed.

          Good luck in solving and searching.

          The above is my opinion.

          • tighterfocus

            I am interested in your opinion about the home of Brown. Specifically, do you believe it is a big clue in finding the correct location of the TC? I keep reading various thoughts here that the home of Brown is not of that much consequence. Some believe it is not a clue at all. Your thoughts?

          • i i dont think you can find the TC without knowing the right HOB i know for us you can find it on a map it you have the right map and it isn’t a person IMHO.

          • W.R.
            If you’re referring to the comment below… ?SF NM.?
            fenn’s quote can be found on “fundamental Guidelines” ~ @ top of the page.
            There are other comments about, which SF, dating back to 2013 or more as well.
            Not unlike; in the mountains N of SF referring to the RM’s, and [in part] the reason for Nevada is not in the running.

          • Seeker,
            Sorry about that being out of sequence, hit wrong button, and so wont get any worse this’ll be my last mention.
            Of all Fenn comments about being N or SF, never did he ever attribute it to a city, state, or northern limits of it…
            It may be wise to hear thise phrases from him directly or see the email from him, feel free to call me Thomas till then.

          • W.R. ~’Of all Fenn comments about being N or SF, never did he ever attribute it to a city, state, or northern limits of it…’

            But he did and has…you should do a little more research.
            Might it be that we were to figure it out for ourselves in the beginning? It took fenn until 2013 to say Utah and Idaho are out… could it be he wanted us to work that out for ourselves as well. But as time went on, more questions asked, more interviews requested, more begging for another bone… and fenn gave out information that really didn’t help much [ as to the actual solve ]-[ useless clue debate ] but just enough to still keep the poem untouched for a searcher to still have to think?

            If you want to believe SF NM [ the city in the state ] is not the SF he mentioned [and actually stated so ], then the Canadian Rockies are still in play as well, right? Maybe, ‘the “rocky” mountains’ refers to a gravel quarry…

            lol… some folks could get hit on top of the head with a stick and still want to call it a tree.

          • WR

            Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing? I will bet you a BUNCH of money that there is only ONE Santa Fe, NM. Send me a map showing more than one Santa Fe, NM, and I will eat Jake Faulker’s nasty old hat! You can post the link so we all can see, or email me at SculptorJDA at aol dot com JDA

          • JDA
            Before I prove you wrong.
            Do quote the interview or question where Fenn said city limits of Sante Fe.

          • WR;

            Forrest did not say city limits, but here is what he said:
            Forrwst Fenn
            Since Richard mentioned the olden days lets harken to 1620 when universal land measures first became law in England and America. As you rode your horse into town you had to pass 80 telephone poles in order to reach a mile because they were 1 chain apart, or 66 feet. And each chain had 100 links, if you wanted to break it down further. Road rights-of-way also were 1 chain wide.
            And 80 square chains made a square mile, or 640 acres – and that was 1 section of land.
            But if you’d rather count fence posts you had to pass 320 in order to reach a mile because they were a rod apart, or 16.5 feet. And since everyone knew that an acre was 10 square chains (43,560 square feet) it was easy to tell how many acres were in your neighbor’s farm.
            Some aspects of those measures are still in use today in the horse racing business because a furlong is 10 chains in length, or 660 feet. You should feel smarter now because that’s so easy.
            If you want to apply those important figures into the thrill of the chase I will give you an additional clue. The Treasure chest full of gold and precious jewels is more than 66,000 links north of Santa Fe.

            “66,000 links north of Santa Fe”. If not the Santa Fe city limits, what else could he be talking about?

            Again, there is only ONE Santa Fe in NM. So where else could he be talking about?

            OK, I came up with the quote, it is now your turn – show me another Santa Fe in New Mexico, and as I said, I will eat Jakes filthy old hat. Put up, and kindly admit that you were not correct.. JDA

          • In case you need help with the math, here it is: 100 links = 1 chain
            66,000 links = 660 chains (66,000 ÷ 100)
            1 chain = 66 feet
            660 chains = 43560 feet (660 x 66) = 8.25 miles
            So. . . according to Forrest, the treasure is greater than 8.25 statute miles north of Santa Fe. (NM) – JDA

          • And from the “Cheat Sheet” that Forrest has approved: “♦At least 8.25 miles North of Santa Fe, New Mexico ” What more do you need? JDA

          • JDA
            You are the sort that likes to argue for no reason I see.

            There is several Sante Fe, NM actually. As you daid, you assume it’s the city, and it could fir all we know, but by your argumentative tome you would discount other possibilities, or what if, solely due to a narrow interpretation, but that doesnt mean it to be so.
            1, SF national forest.
            2. SF mountain.
            3. SF river
            4. SF trail of which there’s the historic and current.
            To name a few.
            Perhaps wwh on SF river and the TC lays 8.25 North. Seeker misquoted and added city limits, now thats not nice.
            So I showed FOUR Sante Fe that can be found on a map.

            I recall you stated you would show Nov 2 to ff book talk. Would you like any condiments with that hat?
            Or are you just belligerent to others?

            Feel free to stick by the city, because that’s what you assume what ff said, yet oddly enough based on your elusive solve you don’t have 9 clues between Begin and Cease. This tells you pick and choose the statements you want to follow.

          • hi WR i climing in here in hopes of keeping you from a rabbithole. we are confident the Santa Fe Mr Fenn is speaking of because its simple nothing complicated about it. Mr Fenn has said over and over to keep it simple. the other Santa Fe’s you are speaking of are hard to nail down. he gave the 8.? mile thing to keep people from bugging his neighbors and friends in my opinion.

          • WR

            I will not argue with you. It would be useless. It is my opinion that had Forrest meant Santa Fe Forest, he would have said so… but he did not. So let’s drop it – will it make you happy if I say, “You are right” – those are possibilities (when in fact they are not)

            You then say, “Or are you just belligerent to others?

            No sir, I am not. If you feel I am, I apologize.

            “Feel free to stick by the city, because that’s what you assume what ff said,”

            I do not assume that he “says” anything, I use logic to determine what I “Think” he meant. so – I will!

            ” yet oddly enough based on your elusive solve”

            You know NOTHING of my solve.

            “you don’t have 9 clues between Begin and Cease”.

            How the (blank) do you know what I have in my solve?

            “This tells you pick and choose the statements you want to follow.”

            Says you.

            Good night, and good bye – JDA

          • WR;

            One last comment. You are a joke. You say,: “9 clues between Begin and Cease.” That means that you are using only 3 out of the six stanza’s for your 9 clues – What are the other 3 stanza’s for?
            You think Forrest put stanza’s 1, 5 and 6 there just because he wanted to have 6 stanza’s? Not likely – Just sayin’ JDA

          • Wildbird

            Until it passes Fenn lips, everything is in play, it takes nothing to consider another possibility, except hate from know it alls.

            Go to a national forest map and look at the SFNF.
            The Pecos wilderness, doesn’t the area look like the national forest area where Yellowstone is?
            So the simplest solution then comes the TC is 8.25N of SF, since there is few places that fit the poem using the city, well, there is many that could fit using the SFNF.
            Fenn could have said N of Tesuque and still avoided his and his friends house.
            I look forward to watching JDA eating Jake’s hat.

          • No hate involved. Just sometimes we get carried away. If we are wrong hundred year from now who will know or care. Just having fun searching while i can.

          • WR

            I apologize for being in a grumpy mood yesterday. I still believe that you are not correct in believing that Forrest meant the city limits of Santa Fe, but be that as it may. Best of luck to you in your search – JDA

          • Wildbird,
            Wasn’t referring to you.
            Having an open mind is needed for solving this.
            The child proved himself whobit was to.

        • Let’s take a look at what we are dealing with.

          A guy decides to hide a valuable chest, and wants to write a poem that can lead searcher’s to it.

          It has to make sense, and yet be difficult enough that the treasure will not be found for possibly a thousand years, and yet simple enough that – If interpreted correctly – the TC can be found in a matter of a few short years.

          Let’s say that there are less obvious clues or “Hints” in the puzzle that – if discovered – will give the “finder” absolute “proof” that the finder is on the correct path.

          Let’s add to this mix that the poem contains both “clues” that will lead the searcher to EXACTLY where a 10″ X 10″ X 5″ chest is secreted somewhere between 8.5 north of Santa Fe, NM and the Canadian border – somewhere within 4 Rocky Mountain states.
          And “Hints” that will help with the clues.

          AND hidden within the architecture of the poem is a means of separating “Clues” from “Hints” as well as an embedded methodology that leads the searcher down a “path” that creates a “Map” that will take the searcher from the correct first clue – the correct wwwh – to the TC!

          Wow if you do not accept that as brilliant – Please tell me what brilliant is to you. JDA

          • “… I don’t know “…that the poem will lead someone there,” as you asked, but the poem does provide everyone with that opportunity. f. ”

            So how do you know it so brilliant? Seriously, is it brilliant because so many are stumped? Brilliant because folks on site didn’t know they got wwwh correct -?- While folks walk by other clues… How do you know if it’s “brilliant” before it can be solved?

            The thought of the challenge is clever, the poem is challenging, the years dedicated are admirable, the prize is tantalizing… I’m gonna personally hold off on how [wow] brilliant the poem and solution are, until the solve is told.

            Sure, this is a fun ride.. a great idea to get people out.. throw in a million plus in gold and artifacts and other trinkets for the finder to get attention, and you got a story… But I’m curious to, how many will feel/think it’s brilliant when it is actually solved…?

          • Hi Seeker.

            “Brilliance” can be misperceived, as you have noted.

            IMO – and of course, just going by my ‘general’ solve…..I find the poem and construction to be masterfully constructed with fun and adventure built in.

            I find it to be very cleverly enhanced with so many possibilities, that brilliance is just an indirect byproduct of the years applied.

            IMO – Forrest knew what he wanted and began to apply a technique that I’ve never saw before in other “riddles”. I think he used phrases of words – two or more words only, because there are many places he has used only one word and seemed to have kept it.

            Anyhow, he condensed at times a group of words to become one….but also left single words alone (“nouns are important”), to build (“construct/architectural”) the poem phrases he used.

            For example….NFBTFTW….is a group of words we all have come up with a substitute for. For me, this distance is actually the path that is also “he blaze” that had been created and established by FF.

            Now is this true, it may not be, but it still cannot be debunked, so it is still, to me, very viable to the solve.

            This is a great example of how brilliantly clever the phrases can be.

            Just something for you to think about.


            Good luck.

          • WR,
            That has been answered… fennology 101…”The treasure is hidden more than 8.25 miles north of the northern limits of Santa Fe, New Mexico.”

          • Franklin, hoB is very important. If you don’t identify it correctly, you’ll have almost NO chance of EVER solving the subsequent clues.

            You don’t need to think too far “outside the box”. A little imagination is important, just like FF has been
            telling us. I suggest you read TTOTC a bunch of times, and
            don’t spend too much time on these
            blogs/forums. They’re mostly a
            huge waste of time for anyone who
            is SERIOUS about solving the
            poem correctly.

            Don’t give up too easily.

            The above is my opinion.

          • I agree! I had my solve before I ever started reading about other searches or theories. The poem was confusing enough without 1000 other thoughts. IMO Start at the beginning, take one stanza at a time, that’s what I did, after I figured out what the keyword was.

          • I disagree in mango i think they are VERY important. I have a solve that i came up with but the blog helps me by confirming our ideas or helps find items of importance.

    • Hi Birdie: well, given that everything on earth slowly disappears over time, I would be a fool not to agree with you on your first sentence. I also happen to agree with your 2nd sentence — the blaze is not small (otherwise it WOULD be easily destroyed). But, I don’t happen to believe the blaze is physically “hard to find.” Rather, I think it’s hard to figure out what it is.

  2. Hello, All.

    I know it’s been said many times before…but “found the blaze” kinda sounds like blazing a trail. You know…leaving marks on “trees”…or along the path…so that those following later can find their way. So…the trail blazer is doing something that’s never been done.

    “You can take a picture of something you see
    In the future where will I be?
    You can climb a ladder up to the sun
    Or write a song nobody has sung
    Or do something that’s never been done

    Are you lost or incomplete?
    Do you feel like a puzzle, you can’t find your missing piece?
    Tell me how do you feel?
    Well, I feel like they’re talking in a language I don’t speak
    And they’re talking it to me” – Coldplay “Talk”

  3. Sitting here looking at a fascinating source of information regarding warm waters and for some reason I thought about the blaze and wondered if it could be a glacier. Ironic when you compare a glacier to a blaze. Even found a source for those that stay put all year long. I know, way out the box……

        • I live 10 miles from there. I once considered it, but felt like i’d exhausted any viable solves that would fit. To begin with, the only place where warm waters are “halted” is in a man-made structure. (Ruled out by Forest). Otherwise, it’s really where warm waters “begin.” There are also human trails in close proximity to everything near the creek (Also ruled out by Forest). I’d love to be wrong, though. Unfortunately, we had a massive fire last year that burnt up most of the woods.

    • “Begin it where warm waters halt” = Begin it at the base of a glacier (Where warm waters have halted and become frozen)

      “And take it in the canyon down” = and go down a canyon that the glacier carved maybe a couple of million years ago.

      “Not far, but too far to walk” = the distance in feet or miles may be short, but the expanse of time shall be “too far to walk”.

      “Put in below the home of Brown = Well, I have already revealed too much – I will leave this line for you guys to figure out. Just musin’ JDA

  4. The Blaze is a rare, naturally occurring, phenomenon. It takes place before sunset and before sunrise. Thus the advice of “take a flashlight”. Just my opinion and many hours of research. Truly an awesome sight and hope to witness soon…

    • Colleen, please consider the ENTIRE line
      “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze”.

      This line can lead an analytical, thinking searcher to the right place . . . if that searcher has correctly solved all the earlier clues in the poem.

      I apologize for not giving more info at this time. I worry
      about other searchers finding the TC before I do.

      Good luck. Please don’t give up too easily.

      The above is my opinion.

  5. this scrapbook 83 from mike reminded me again of a classified I saw in the clipping book of ff, if that’s what I think, I do not know, where I do not know, but I know that many of his story tells me a word, one of his words me they called my attention (povilhar) that falls in the substantive meaning and verb and definitions of (waters) if it is coincidence I do not know anyone else can discover

  6. Every time “the blaze” is brought up on this forum I am astonished that others don’t share my expectation for it…. especially following Forrest’s recent multiple comments recommending approaching the clues (understood to be geographic locations) as if they are forming an ‘X’ on the map… (or something to that effect). A blaze is a marker. This is a treasure hunt. If you were going to take a short easy walk from your car to a secret spot somewhere in the Rockies and create a hunt leaving nine clues to lead a searcher to your spot…would the clues indicate several geographic locations along your short easy route leading up to a physical marker indicating the treasure spot? I say heck no. Too much of a needle in the haystack on the one hand, and relying on a physical marker might be asking for accidental discovery on the other. If you want to be “an architect” designing a fancy treasure hunt you aren’t going to write a poem that translates to some small scale route like: start at the river junction, follow the canyon down stream, turn left up the rocky drainage,…and so on. No. You are going to craft some larger scale map to the treasure that depends on the correct and ordered interpretation of the clues to resolve an image on the appropriate conventional map. Whether it is an ‘X’, or an arrowhead (as I explored in my solve), or a bullseye, or a spiral….the blaze is the marker on the map.
    Obviously in my opinion.

    • DWRock, I am nowhere near at the point of tackling the clue involving the blaze yet, but this is a cool way of approaching it. Something has to be able to point you to a specific spot, and I think you are right. I think larger scale is going to play a part here, such as named mountains or ridges or things along those lines. The blaze is not the end of the chase, imho – I think it is a tool that leads one to the next clue, not the chest. Otherwise, why bother with the rest of the poem?

      • I agree. The blaze seems to fall at clue six or seven by my estimation so there leaves two or three clues to follow or understand before reaching the chest. I don’t believe there will be anything left to discover once boots on the ground, though. The one with the correct solve will know where it is.

        • I completely agree. I think you may have to search around a bit, but you will know you are in the right spot before you even leave home.

    • DWRock, I believe that the word “blaze” is a “word that is key”. But there are others as well. Most of them are in
      the poem.

      The blaze is a very, very important thing to find and recognize as part of a correct solve. And the “X” on
      a map is also crucial, using the blaze to signify part of the “X” . . . (which isn’t part of the design of any real map).

      The above is my opinion.

    • Sparrow, it could . . . depending on interpretation.

      I suggest you keep your options open.

      For example, a blaze on the face of a horse could have a zigzag shape, associated with a lightning bolt.

      Please remember that you won’t be anywhere near the blaze FF had in mind, until you have a correct solve for all the earlier clues. It IS doable, but not easy.

      Good luck. This is all my opinion.

  7. Hello Searchers,

    It’s been quite some time since I’ve posted, but I have been tuning in once in a while. For the few that attended my reveal Sunday night at this year’s Fennboree, do you remember?

    My blaze is a physical object – a substantial one. It will definitely be there in 1000 years. It is described in the poem by the lines ” From there it’s no place for the meek, The end is ever drawing nigh; There’ll be no paddle up your creek, only heavy loads and water high.” Oh, and also, Indulgence is within two hundred feet of the Blaze. Of course, all of this is IMHO.

    Best Wishes to all!
    ~Wisconsin Mike

  8. hers,

    It’s been quite some time since I’ve posted, but I have been tuning in once in a while. For the few that attended my reveal Sunday night at this year’s Fennboree, do you remember?

    My blaze is a physical object – a substantial one. It will definitely be there in 1000 years. It is described in the poem by the lines ” From there it’s no place for the meek, The end is ever drawing nigh; There’ll be no paddle up your creek, only heavy loads and water high.” Oh, and also, Indulgence is within two hundred feet of the Blaze. Of course, all of this is IMHO.

    Best Wishes to all!
    ~Wisconsin Mike

    • I was at Fennboree mike, but I had to leave on Saturday… I wish I could have been there on Sunday, I would have loved to hear everyone’s input. Maybe next year….. see ya mike

  9. My blaze has evolved from wood or ferrous metal to something of heavy stone or brass bronze aluminum plate that will last for decades. Of course, petrified wood could be a possibility although my chosen areas do not show signs of that.

    I am still perplexed by “Look quickly down” as if being very close or well above it, maybe watching the sunrise chase a peaks shadow right to the trove’s hiding spot. Three of my solves are near poem perfect until being wise and finding the blaze. Definitely requires BOG.

    This chase stuff is mind bogglin but fun, fer sure.
    Good luck and best of health to you all.
    Smoky 🙂

    • Smoky,
      What also might be possible… If you “found” the blaze, could indicate that you’re not ‘at’ the blaze, but looking at it from a lower level… which may give a new light to ~Look quickly down, your quest > to go up.
      “…I put one foot down and then step on it to get to the next foot.” Sounds like steps or stair [ more than likely, natural ], or an incline. At the very least, there seems to be more to do.
      Found; as a verb basically means establish, set up, start (up).

      “look quickly down, your quest to cease, But tarry scant with marvel gaze”… seems to imply [ with ‘found’ as a verb ‘usage; get started’ ] a searcher is gazing at the blaze [ elevated from viewing point ] and needs to look down to get access to that higher level… and/or metaphorically speaking… look at your own feet, hinting, you still need to get to the blaze… start hiking.

      Sorta of the idea~ it’s not what I say, it’s what I can make you think I said…. “Found” is not the same as Discover.

      Just food for thought…

      • yummy food… seeker. Interesting take on how that process may unfold…it still sounds like an act of “discovery”. Another play on the word “found” could be related to a “find”. Find as in an archaeological find…where Fenn mixes it up a bit by using the word “found”. This is sneakier because “find” is actually a noun in this sense.
        I played around with these possibilities until my gray matter fried real good…look quickly “down” is where things got burnt.

        • Ken,
          The thought process also deals with those AFT comments; start at the beginning, and need to know where to start.
          We could be looking at a backwards poem for the searcher, However, from the perception of what fenn sees from the hidey spot [ high hide, if you will ]. Is wwwh the end of the clues working backwards to HLAWhigh? making the transforming of clues consecutive from the ‘start’ of where a searcher begins that leads up instead of down, anything?

          Example; we start at where [ merging ] one water connects to another… One of those waters ‘came from the canyon and down from hoB, from no place for the meek, and hlawh’… basically follow a creek [from the merge ] to it’s source and finding no place for the meek is the elevation travel to hlawh and hoB.

          In a twist / bending of “I” could it be that, “as i have gone alone in there and with my ‘treasures bold’ [ eye catching, vivid, bright ] be Indulgence?… what Indulgence represents, and what Indulgence is over looking…. WWWH off in the distance, and clues from there coming back.

          Look at it this way as well… searcher indicated and deciphered wwwh. Although they didn’t know it to be such… is it possible they got water high and wwwh mixed up? While walking pass the remaining clues?

          Not so much a wrong turn excuse, but the wrong perception, idea. They could have “started” at water high, in theory.
          Could it be [ this is a bit of a stretch ] WWWH does keep going down… not far, but too far for us to walk… in the wrong direction? This would leave hoB [ a stand alone sentence ] to possibly be where the “waters” came from.

          Just more rambling and rumbling…

          • I like the premise that the poem may be “backwards” in a sense…but can’t reconcile WWWH as the start point(first clue), AND have it as the end…unless there is another pointer in the poem eluding to this process. This seems to contradict his many ATF comments about no misdirection…straight forward. may be though.
            Fenn’s training in survival would have definitely made him aware of the benefits of “finding” high ground…so I have leaned in that direction as a likely “hide”. With that in mind…I have tried to see the poem as directions that would lead a searcher in a direction that would “move up” instead of a “down” direction. In this case…I use one “down” as a southerly directive, and another “down” as an elevation marker.
            “waters” is part of that interpretive boondoggle that I think hampers the searcher in actually “knowing” the “correct” start place. It could be as simple as…more than one water coming together in a specific place, and that’s the start. That would be interesting if it turned out that WH was WWWH !
            My theory remains…folks have told Fenn about the place(WWWH), but did not have the next clues properly interpreted(mapped out)…NF,BTFTW I think is the major stumbling block…

          • Ken,
            In this theory, ‘down’ refers to the waters. However, “not far, but too far to walk” might refer to the searcher… not to go that way. ‘Don’t go down’ the canyon… ‘go up’ from this starting point [wwwh] ~ too far to walk is the other way, down the canyon, as the wrong way.

            For this thought to be correct, the poem is read as; the waters put in below the home of Brown. The real question is… what does “from there” mean?
            From hoB? or From where you started at wwwh? or both? Could wwwh be where hoB is? giving us the correct wwh out of all the wwwh in the RM’s.

            There is a difference between straight forwards vs. linear or even literal [ it is a poem, right ].
            The video of the reverse bike come to mind… “the one who can best adjust.”
            Would it be a contradiction for fenn to hand you that bike and say; ride it straight forwards-?- or do we need to adjust our teachings and explanations.
            Not unlike the word “Brown” being capitalized… does it have to be a name? or can it refer to a title or represent a title?
            One example; hoB as ‘the color’ of the ‘worlds first national park.’ Would this be considered a misrepresentation of fenn’s part, or we just didn’t interpret the correct reasoning for the “B”

            Something must give us the correct wwh, and give us the correct direction to head out to… the problem might be in the adjusting of how we read the poem… and those dang AFT comments… while being true at the same time.

            That check and balance of straightforward, idea.

          • Sure…I get the gist…and especially keeping in mind the backwards bicycle.
            I see the comma between NF and BTFTW as an indication that there is something there to think about…before heading out in one direction or another. This would be a possible “adjustment” spot
            “Brown” is another whole issue. As a poem…and using your literal, linear etc. interp. process, I tend to lean in the direction that the capitalization was intended to represent a symbolic idea and not a name.
            You are correct…something should point out the “correct” wwh…I believe that is found in the first stanza.
            Gertrude Stein said, ” Poetry is doing nothing but using, losing, refusing and pleasing and betraying and caressing nouns.” I find that interesting coupled with Fenn’s comment about nouns….

      • Not bad there Seeker. After hiking through heavy loads and water high, you look up and see the blaze. Then Fenn says, tarry scant, get going and check it out. It’s where he intended to meet eternity. I believe it must be an impressive natural structure, More than just a cool thing to see. Maybe it looks like the tip of a spear, or an omega, or ??

        • Frank,
          Don’t take anything I say as remotely possible.
          I’m posting thoughts only. Analyzing the crap out of the “WhatIf’s possibilities… The one thing you’ll never read in my post is… “I know” anything. Heck, I don’t really have an opinion yet… I’m still stuck on what wwwh might be, nevertheless what it refers to.

          As far as the blaze goes… I would hope I’d have an idea beforehand, but won’t let that clue dictate where the other clues are… I just don’t think anyone will know the blaze until the other clues bring you there… impressive or not… I don’t think a searcher would know it if they just saw it [even in full search mode]… not without the correct ‘lead’ of the other clues. No one should stumble upon it [ even a searcher ] until the all clues are brought to life… contiguous; bordering upon.

          Food for thought, is all I offer.

    • I’ve always thought that a trail marker in an area where there are no trails would be conspicuous enough for a Chaser to identify as a blaze, but not conspicuous enough for a random person who happened to be walking through the area.

      • I always thought that a trail marker marked a trail, a human trail. I think that’s why they call it a trail marker, but that’s just my opinion.

          • @ eaglesbound and Blex…

            I always thought that a trail marker marked a trail, a human trail. I think that’s why they call it a trail marker, but that’s just my opinion.


            IMO – the there are a combination of trail types being used…..

            – ff created the blaze – human trail of sorts
            – Indulgence is near a game trail
            – one needs to understand trails and how they are marked
            – one needs to understand, in some part, who created the trail. I state this because, I think FF wants those who do go searching, to be able to incorporate what you find into the search. It is also my interpretation that imagination needs to be used at this point.

            Did you ever think about following frogs? They make trails….they also can be “included” as a possibility because of the association that FF has made with them numerous times…..”muddy creek” cancer reference, bells with frogs upon them, etc.

            Trail is a multiple meaning word…..don’t discount it’s heavy involvement as a blaze.

            Good luck.

    • I believe Fenn was referring to the treasure (not the blaze) when he said not in close proximity to a trail, So, unless you consider the blaze and treasure to be in the same place, that would not exclude the blaze being a trail marker of some kind. I’m not saying that I think it is – just allowing the possibility.

      • IMO, Many people believe that the chest in near or close to the blaze, since look quickly down your quest to cease follows the blaze.

      • The quote is: “If you ain’t the lead dog, the scenery never changes. When I am in the mountains or in the desert, the last place I want to be is on a trail. Ain’t no adventure in that for me. There isn’t a human trail in very close proximaty (sic) to where I hid the treasure”.

        Note the VERY close proximaty (sic) to where I hid the treasure.

        I would consider anything closer than 25 yards to be “In very close proximity.” 50 yards – close. 100 yards not very close. Over 100 yards, not close at all. But that is just me. JDA

        • JDA,
          Good morning! When I stand before my blaze & look quickly down the distance is approximately 50 to 60 yards, then I wil following the directions in stanzas 5 & 6.


          • Good luck with that, Birdie. The blaze
            (in my opinion) is several hundreds of feet away from where a searcher will be when first seeing it.

          • I also agree with that statement, you’re going to love how he handled that part of the poem. Brilliant! I can tell by your response that you don’t have the poem solved up to the if you’ve been wise part. If you can solve up to there, it’s yours to take. IMO

      • TomB,
        First off, it reads as “very close proximity”

        Personally, I would rather know what fenn means by a “human trail”
        My guess is… “made” for man travel.
        That doesn’t mean, a now exciting ‘called’ trail, is a human trail.
        Example… Is the Continental Divide trail a true human trail? or do we just call it one, now?
        A river is a river… we use the waters for travel/business… is that water-way a trail? [thinking along the lines of canals and locks for moving watercraft through] IF so, All ya folks that have a river in very close proximity to your solve… umm

        Tom, all I think about is; in the end of anyone’s interpretation of the clues is, is it somewhere fenn would want his body, left to nature, alone?

      • I’ve always considered “in close proximity” as being far enough away that you can not see one point from the other. Meaning that you will not see the chest from the closest man made trail.

        Maybe like when he was shot down and caught in the bombing operation “Arc Light”, he was definitely in close proximity, yet not quit sure how far away the bombs were hitting.

  10. From part 3….Tom B wrote….

    “I recall that Forrest was asked if the blaze was a single object and I believe his reply was, “in a word, yes”. The way he answered that suggests, to me, that there is more than one piece to the blaze. For example, it could be a group of rocks that form a certain pattern. The “pattern” as awhile could then be considered a single object.”

    Funny you should mention this again, as it is a rehash of what I’ve stated in the past and To be honest….it really didn’t any looks or investigation to it’s validity.

    IMO – You are on the right track.

    Cheers and good luck.


  11. The blaze IMHO will be obscured over time, whether nature or man causes it to disappear. The blaze is man made or marked. FMC in TTOTC speaks about making brass bells to be discovered in later years as he says his bells are buried about three feet. He does believe if his treasure may not be found until several years later. IMO the TC is not buried and may be found accidentally in the future even though the TC is in a remote area.

    I am confident that I have found the blaze, it can be seen at the time f, hid TC. I put BOTG this last August and the blaze physically does not exist 7 years later. However the narrow spot it pointed to does exist.

    How come I didn’t find TC if I’m so sure? My quick look down was too short and was so close and was part of a man made structure. Before I put BOTG, I had not read TTOTC and had not visited this website, I didn’t know that f, had said the TC was not associated to man made structures.

    Now that I have more information and what not to look into, IMHO the hints that I followed the first visit were correct and fits perfectly to the poem, deserves another visit to the very same area, that again is IMHO. I definitely will not be tearing apart outhouses. :o)

    As with most I can not revisit the site on a whim and will have to hold of until 2018 and hope TC is still there for my BOTG. In the meanwhile I will look for other possibilities, just in case even though I truly believe in my current solve. That’s IMHO.

  12. The blaze is easy. Has to do with why he wouldn’t say when he hid the tc. He and Preston basically just let the cat outta the bag. Alas dame fortune refuses to enable most searchers to discern the hints.

    • If the blaze is easy why hasn’t someone come up with the treasure in 7 years. Seems to me I’ve heard a 100 people who are sure of what/where the blaze is but to my knowledge I never hear of anyone with the loot. IMO

      • As with legendary treasures some have documented hints that puts one in the area and does not point directly to the exact location and the markers change with nature. IMO this holds true, but some imagination is needed to find the exact spot. f has said a little imagination is need. IMO one needs to try to know the person in their way of thinking. The interesting part, as I have read, no one person as identified the blaze exactly until they have TC.. IMHO one will know instantly what the blaze is, providing they are in the right area. Until then it is conjecture, and someone may have found the TC and choose not to disclose, and the hunt continues. That’s IMHO.

        • The blaze isn’t changing very quickly. It’s likely
          to look about the same in a thousand years
          as it does today.

          All my opinion.

          • I think you are probably right about that, no need to get into any kind of climate change discussion. How about this for a question, ff said that besides a ‘good’ map GE would be good/important to use. Interesting he said GE and a good map, no? Do you think that GE is an important tool to use for finding the blaze? I say yes, very important

          • Sorry for being behind but what is GE and also if this reply ends up in the wrong spot, but what does GE mean in this context and where did FF say that? Also was it stated in response to a question about a certain part of the poem (like the blaze) or was it a general comment about the poem?

            “How about this for a question, ff said that besides a ‘good’ map GE would be good/important to use. Interesting he said GE and a good map, no? Do you think that GE is an important tool to use for finding the blaze? I say yes, very important”

          • f said that you could probably find the tc any time of the year if you knew where to look. The inverse is the big hint.

  13. Here is something to consider . . .
    The poem doesn’t say “if you are at the blaze” or
    “if you have reached the blaze”.

    I found the Golden Gate bridge once, by looking west from Oakland,
    California. The bridge was about ten miles away from me. But I found
    it, ah tell yeeeewwww!

    I was just pretending to use a “Texas accent” there (if Forrest can
    tease us, I can tease him).

    The point is, you can find the blaze by seeing it from a distance. In
    fact, you can find the blaze on a good online map, if it’s the right map. However, it will pretty much mean that you have already solved all the earlier clues, because the blaze is only about the size of a whale, and you’ll have to be “zoomed in” on the map . . . to a fairly small specific area in the Rockies.

    The above is my opinion.

    • Hello tigherfocus. I’ve found your post interesting. It seems you may be quite confident to what the blaze is, and perhaps the approximate/exact location of where the treasure chest may be. Do you believe the clues explain what the blaze is? Clues leads one to the blaze? Or, something different?

  14. There is a fun movie from 1963 called “It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World”. At the beginning of the film, an eccentric group of strangers learn from a dying man that he has buried $350,000 in a state park in the west (sound familiar?) near the Mexican border under “the big W”. Eventually, all of the characters make their way to the park, but have absolutely no idea what “the big W” could possibly be. Suddenly one of them, without even trying, spots it, and it is clearly obvious that it is the correct “big W”.

    In my mind, the Blaze is similar to “the big W”. You will have no idea what the Blaze is until getting yourself to the right location. Then, when it reveals itself, you will have no doubt that it is the correct Blaze.

    I hope I avoided any spoilers here for those who haven’t seen the movie!

    • That’s a fun movie, Hoblin. I agree with your idea of the nature of the Blaze, in that it is something to be figured out during BOTG trip.

      The difference between the movie and the Chase is that everyone in the movie knew a very specific area to run to in order to start their search for the treasure. Something similar to the movie might happen if Forrest ever decided to reveal the home of Brown! 🙂

      • Re: botg to figure out the blaze…

        I’ve got thoughts on this and have sent a write-up to Dal to post but he’s searching until next week so not sure when it will actually go up.

        In the meantime, do you mind if I ask you your thoughts on the “if you’ve been wise” part of this line. I have assumptions in my write-up on this and just want to confirm they are correct.

        • I’ve been taking that phrase mostly at face-value, FMC.

          However, I have heard ideas that it may refer to Wyoming (WY’s), as well as Y-shaped junctions in a river or creek. For all I know, either of those may be correct, so I’m not ruling them out.

  15. imo the blaze is chief mountain in glacier national park montana where warm waters halt at the canadian border beneath the home of the blackfeet reservation or home of brown

  16. Ok, this is only my interpretation:
    In the Braun Garden at the Center of the West museum is the statue of Crazy Horse. At the base of the statue of the left side it is inscribed American Hero on the front Crazy Horse and on the right side it says Died 1877 defending his country.

    Forrest used his horses name Lightning as a hint to Crazy Horse in the book.

    So now you have the hint from Forrest a flashlight and a sandwich.

    Perhaps “brave and in the wood” will work as well.

    I am sure most think I am crazy as well.

    What do you think?
    I dont think Forrest would figure someone would ever work the Poem. But then again, you got to think like him.

    An Indian Scout and A Saint.


  17. Thanks Mr. Fenn,
    For , ….again explaining a blaze!
    I can’t believe that integration….oh I’m sorry…..I meant interview!
    Thanks Dal for the replay it never gets old!

  18. as any one thought that the blaze might be the word Brown. brown might be the key word to unlock the location down meaning wwwh brown river . canyon down brown canyon. where he put in the treasure.

  19. “The blaze is a physical thing…..The fact is, the important one is out there.”
    I have listened to Fenn describe the blaze, and have read many ideas from folks trying to find his treasure. Fenn clearly states that THE blaze is a physical thing…which seems to indicate a single object/thing. He even backs that up by saying, ” The fact is, the important one is out there.” I take note of “…the important one…”.
    While sorting through the poem and deciphering the clues(9 of them) and marrying them to a map…it seems that a searcher must correctly plot out the geographical locations leading to a spot where the searcher must find the blaze…and look quickly down. I can see that after doing this…a searcher could then theoretically say that each individual location has now become a blaze for them…but I still cannot reconcile more than one blaze from the onset.
    I also like how Forrest mixes things up a bit while talking about what the blaze might be…white markings…or even fire blazing. Whatever this physical thing is…I hope it lasts long enough for someone to locate it !

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