Home of Brown…

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This is for a discussion about “the home of Brown” in Forrest’s poem.

Got an HOB that didn’t work out…or maybe you need an HOB for a certain area…or perhaps you have an idea that needs some fleshing out..

This is the place to discuss all things HOB…

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71 thoughts on “Home of Brown…

  1. Brown is capitalized…
    Person?
    Monument?
    I don’t think it’s brown trout because it is not a specific noun.
    What do you guys think it is?

    • Hi Cheyenne: agreed that it’s not brown trout. I believe it’s capitalized because it is referring to a geographic place that has a proper name (and not a proper name that includes the word Brown).

      • Zap –

        I like that thinking. For example Bunsen Peak or any other named peak. He’s letting us know that the place has a proper name.

        I did find a new Home actually owned by a Brown and so I do need to explore that further. Oh well.

        Lugnutz

      • Hi Lug: thanks. You just have to be mindful of the dividing line between common knowledge and specialized knowledge. To me, this means a clue solution based on anyone named Meek or Brown is out the window, but I don’t thoroughly discredit such a solution if it fits a candidate solution. But if a solution *starts* there, it’s dead on arrival on my estimation.

      • Agreed, but I would say Dual structure, one for Brown Trout and one for a very famous Brown, of Colorado fame, she was Unsinkable in the Titanic disaster, Browns Canyon is just below Buena Vista, Co and the Arkansas River runs through it. Awesome rafting and Kayaking too, in my younger days when there was traffic across the Royal Gorge..

        TT

    • Hey Cheyenne, if you google images of “crayons”, you will see that where the color of the crayon is written on the side of the crayon, sometimes it is capitalized and sometimes it is lower case, depending upon brand. But even the most famous brand, Crayola, sometimes capitalizes it and other times doesn’t capitalize it,… depending upon what specific set of crayons it is. Mostly it appears to be lower case, but can be upper case. So, just the color “brown / Brown” can be capitalized, or not, and can mean nothing more than the color of brown. This is just my opinion, but it works for me.

      Safety First … Always

      Lyzeebella

  2. This is my best idea on interpreting “home of Brown” – I think it is Barns Hole on the Madison River.

    I think by “Brown,” Fenn is personifying Bessie, his “fawn-colored” cow that he loved, as “Brown.” He refers to her, and her home, a barn, several times in his book TTOTC.

    I know, you don’t think there is a blaze in that area. I have an idea for that too, but this is not the page for that.

    Home of Brown=A barn, namely, “Barn”s Hole on the Madison.

    Don’t let logic distract you from the poem, imagination is more important than knowledge.

    Thoughts?

    • Barns Hole is named for the old Barns that used to be in hat area, it is right inside the entrance from West Yellowstone. An area Fenn would be intimately familiar with.

    • In support, I think Fenn gave us an example of him doing this in The Totem Cafe Caper, “when the owner gave Frosty an inch, he thought he’d become a ruler, Frosty I mean….The Ruler thought both excuses were pretty lame…”

  3. Zap ~ “A big part of successful problem solving is deciding which pieces of information are not relevant.”
    I agree. That is why all the ATF are important as to, not dismissing one over another just by picking and choosing what works for your thoughts / solve. And I agree that, what we knew of from the start can’t override or undermine or dismiss the ATF as well. For me the use of the ATF must be all or none, if using as a check and balance of what we did know of at the start- in conjunction to – what is factual now. ex. wwwh is the actual first “clue” eliminating a “clue” [ one of 9] in stanza 1, but doesn’t eliminate stanza 1 as important.

    • I know some time back one of the regulars here put together a checklist gauntlet of tests. Since that time, additional ATF remarks have been made that should be appended (e.g. not under water, not near the Rio Grande, not under a manmade object, no need to move heavy rocks). It’s actually a quite lengthy list of prohibitions now.

  4. I never post, but just to throw this out there: Bb if you look up the letter b on Wikipedia the Phoenician pictograph (I don’t know what to call it) is called “bet” and the actual image is a “house”. The Egyptian hieroglyph is a foot and calf. The rune for B is Beorc and it means “birch”.

    Just the letter B has a lot to think about, and it may be capitalized simply to draw attention to that or it could be in combination with several other ways to look at it that are necessary to pin point a location.

    Just food for thought.

    • I have read thoughts of B for a musical note, but your post I don’t think has been mentioned. Thanks for that.
      Is this ‘the Becky” who asked about the “blaze” in the poem or only in the field Q&A?

      • Hi Seeker, I’m just Becky the up-to-now lurker 🙂 Guess what I just now found after I posted that:
        Burke (Forrest’s middle name)
        Irish (of Anglo-Norman origin): habitational name from Burgh in Suffolk, England. This is named with Old English burh ‘fortification’, ‘fortified manor’. Norwegian: Americanized form of Børke, a habitational name from any of eight farms in southeastern Norway, named with Old Norse birki ‘birch wood

        So there’s another possible connection with the Rune for B

        • Welcome to the madhouse. My only advice is don’t read my posts… read the poem… which i think we’re not reading correctly. lol.

          Example; Not far, but to far to walk. Many want this to be a distance, and that does sound logical. But I’ll attempt to type out a different reading of it…
          Not far, [ in a normal tone of voice ] But [ as in arguing against doing something ] too far to walk [ as saying there’s another option ]

          Is fenn saying – not far- but no need to go or walk there at all-?- stay where you are. So can the waters be actually putting in below hoB were we are standing at or the waters stop there, below the hoB and “put in” mean the location of wwh? This would mean “take it in” as a view of what to observe over where to go…

          LOL – I did advise not to read my posts, right?
          But I like the way you think…

          Loco, Goofy and others are probably saying… great a new comer, and the first blogger she meet is Seeker… that poor girl!

          Like fenn said, read the blogs for entertainment. That there [ fenn’s words ] is the best advise I can give you.

          • @Becky,

            “Loco, Goofy and others are probably saying… great a new comer, and the first blogger she meet is Seeker… that poor girl!”

            Welcome to chase….poor girl! Sorry Old Yeller met ya at the door. He chews through the leash all the time. 🙂

          • Seeker, on the contrary, I love your posts. I’ve been involved with the Chase for three years and so I’ve gotten to know and love many of the bright minds that post here and elsewhere.
            I’m glad you like the way I think. Maybe I’ll share some more of my craziness. It hasn’t done me much good so far and I can always use a fresh perspective.

          • Hello Seeker. ‘…the first blogger she meet is Seeker…’? I’ll agree with the ‘poor girl’. 🙂

  5. My last $0.02 on my HOB—the Lamar Ranger Station

    Here’s an FF quote from MysteriousWritings.com:

    http://mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase/

    “The clues did not exist when I was a kid but most of the places the clues refer to did. I think they might still exist in 100 years but the geography probably will change before we reach the next millennia. The Rocky mountains are still moving and associated physical changes will surely have an impact. If you are in the year 3,009 it will be more difficult for you to find the treasure.f”

    FF said the “clues” did not exist when he was a kid because he wrote them when he was an adult.

    But, most of the “places” he refers to did exist.

    For example, the home of “Brown” didn’t exist when he was a kid, but the Lamar Buffalo Ranch did, and will continue to exist for hundreds of years (hopefully). https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/historyculture/lamarbuffaloranch.htm

    FF said some clues “might still exist in 100 years”, but are at the mercy of natural geographical changes (I think this refers to any canyons, homes, blazes, woods, etc.)

    The Lamar Ranger Station, for example, could remain a clue for 100 years as long as it wasn’t devastated by wildfires or an apocalyptic Yellowstone eruption.

    The treasure, on the other hand, could remain in it’s location for 2000+ years, but it would be more difficult to find because it would be hidden by geographical/topographical changes, and the geographical clues would become less relevant and noticeable over time.

    I don’t think Forrest ever said the clues or the clues locations would remain for thousands of years.

    A solid bronze chest, however, could last in it’s location for 10,000 years.

    Just my opinions. Good luck all!

    • AllenK,
      I’m not sure if I agree with you on; “FF said **some** clues “might still exist in 100 years”, However I do see how you came to that conclusion as to fenn’s wording; “most of the clues” meaning that most is only some of the clues. Unless one clue is not a place at all.

      Still my thoughts go to fenn thinking “down the road,” to mean the clues in the poem. If a fire can, or could have already, taken out a clue or clues… that thought of down the road for 100, 1000, years doesn’t seem well thought out.
      I guess I keep asking myself, how much research would someone in 3009 need to do if a clue or clues were to disappear yesterday.

      “I’m not flippant about this. It’s not something somebody is going to be able to do on spring break or a Sunday afternoon picnic. I’m looking a hundred years down the road, maybe a thousand years down the road. People don’t understand that.”

      Maybe this is what fenn meant by; “People don’t understand that.” ?

      But you did put another thought in my head… let ya know how that turns out if it hold water.

    • Thanks AllenK for your opinions. I disagree with the hoB not existing when he was a kid. It would be a far stretch to put in below without a Brown from long ago. Just my opinion as I am still fleshing this one out.

      • I think the “home of Brown” existed when he was a kid, but I think he nicknamed it when he was older.

        In other words, the “clue” didn’t exist when he was a kid, but the home did.

        In my solve, the Home of Brown is the Lamar Ranger Station, and that has existed since 1906.

  6. I don’t think we are supposed to pay as much attention to the letter which is capitalized as much as where it is placed. Because there is capital involved as well as a Capitol.

  7. New topic (still HOB): Does ‘Home of Brown’ hold more meaning as a singular thing or do you view it as possibly plural, specifically the word Brown? I have a couple ideas with trout and in that case HOB would mean plural, not singular. I can see the case for a singular place/building/grave for a person, but for other brown things plural seems to keep popping up…here is my latest…this is copied from an official gov website, it was interesting to me as all listed seem to share some shade of brown: “…sanctuary for more than 330 species of animals, including bison, black-footed ferrets, deer, coyotes, bald eagles and burrowing owls.” I will confirm the where if someone correctly guesses where I got this…the spot (and website) also have ‘warm waters’…I just saw this, didn’t find any other clues for this spot, but it triggered the thought about singular/plural. What say ye o blogodytes? Brown=singular or plural, and why? or does it matter at all? If your answer involves some form of ‘the rest of the poem confirms my HOB’ and that is all you can say, please don’t bother…explain it please

    • Sherif: I don’t know about anyone else, but your AOL links are apparently not viewable by anyone who isn’t an AOL member. (Question: AOL is still an ISP? Last time I used them I had a 300-baud dial-up modem!)

  8. There are many of all the twist andt urns but i think i will share a few words that have been heavy on my mind mr Fenns treasure is in the field of dreams not yours or mine but his as a advid searcher that has viewed new mexico montana yellow stone colorado wyomining to many travels to mention and fun on every adventure a writer might start with the first word he thinks of so the pen takes him to his minds eye and here we are in the center of the storm tracking a quest of freedoms orry i spelt that wrong but free we are and MR FEnn is a part of the reason why so ty sir but the beauty around the induldgence must have the reason why we must think of this on our adventure good luck to all make sure you take a candle and a blanket if your venturing out this winter and a lighter and stick matches be safe alli ran into a masonic gold symbol that was a central fun for the day please be safe stay warm just rambling jb

    • Good thoughts JB! I was JB too – before I married L. (smiley face). I also think that F’s rainbow includes significant people/events/things in F’s life as well. That is where the importance of imagination comes into play for me. IMO, the clues take us to places that, symbolically, are important to F. The journey he takes us on is his rainbow. The hiding place is just the end of that rainbow. And to me, the end is symbolically significant as well. Keep posting, JB. I don’t post often, but I am listening.

      • The “boys” back home told me…(But I don’t know if I can trust them)……Tell really means to count….used in a sentence like a bank teller. Now the word good…..means math…..I sure everyone probably already knew that. BUT it was new to me.

        I was never very good in schoolin… that is why I went into sherifing.

  9. Home of Brown- good question. Grizzly dens in dense wooded Northern 30-60 degree slope about 8000 feet in upper half of mountains. So below half way down a northern slope 10000 foot mountain.
    Well no help there. Like if one of his fathers cabins was acquired from
    Mr. Brown. Only FF would know that answer. Its probably what a kid would say Home of Brown is Mr. Browns house. Which could have come from somewhere in the West Yellowstone area. I still think brown trout.

  10. I have come across some more browns. One Brown in particular was interesting a woman in Pueblo donated her natural blond hair to the war effort. Her hair was the perfect shade for making cross hairs. The bombers particularly used these……

    • Wow – that’s definitely one of the oddest things (in the best possible way) I’ve learned in the course of the Chase.

      I just marked Nov 22 as Mary Babnik Brown Day on my calendar – thanks mosby!

      JAKe

    • I remember a long time ago a TV segment with a man who raised black widow spiders in fish tanks in his basement. Their web threads were used for cross hairs in scopes. Might have been 60 Minutes or a like type show. I thought human hair was too thick or something.

    • Bt the way, the German version of Brown is Braun…as in New Braunfels, Texas. There was a such a man in Wyoming history. I only offer this because I have exhausted hundreds of Browns in the rockies.

  11. Kyle Sandau if your reading this blog I need you to lookup this book. Sing for a Gentle Rain by J. Alison James. Remember little Alison and the million dollar clue? Close but no cigar, you are a very observant man.

    Fait Acompli

    • See also page 382 Pueblo Indian Religion, Volume 1
      By Elsie Worthington Clews Parsons

      Kyle here’s your answer about “The Lost Kivas of San Lazaro” Ric Hajovsky

      Excerpt from TTOTC
      Everyone on the TV was talking about how he had revolutionized
      writing novels in his day, and so on. The news said he was very
      secretive about what he did, and even Diane Sawyer mentioned
      that he’d written a lot of books and had hidden some in a vault
      so no one could read them. He seemed like my kind of guy but I
      couldn’t figure out how he could be such an important writer
      when I’d never even heard of him.

  12. “W.R. on October 16, 2017 at 1:26 pm said:

    Seeker

    So your are a sinks canyon fan based on that comment.

    If so, provide an email and I’ll provide somewhere you may have not considered. If not, the Minnesota is a long way off as that’s the only other spot that is like that in the US.”

    W.R. – I’ve been at that spot in MN numerous times on family camping trips – quite intriguing.

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