418 thoughts on “The Key Word…

    • Heidini = Clever name and a nod to another great puzzlemaster/showman—-Harry Houdini?

      “Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

      It is logical from this statement that since FF is talking about the clues in the poem, and both the poem and the clues are made up of words, the word that is key is indeed in the poem or else no one would be in tight focus of such.

      For contrast, if along the lines somewhere FF had shared his grocery list with us, tight focus on bananas as the 8th item on such list which contains a total of 120 words making up a list of exactly 42 items does us how much real good in TTOTC?

      Tarry Scant ID#2971 = Basically, don’t make it harder than it is.

      IMO

      • Bowmarc,
        But WhatIF “but” means alternative?
        Serious thoughts to the clues “but” the word that is key is in the book, line of thinking.
        There are many ways to think about this magical word that we all know…
        Must be in the poem because the poem has all the information.
        Must be in the book because it helps with the clues.
        It could be two or more words that describe or mean a single word… possibly the answer for tired and weak? or new and old? or in the wood…

        Here’s what I’d like to know about the word that is key… Does it have anything to do with the “important possibility” no one seems to be thinking about?

        * ~’nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.’
        Analyze can mean tight focus, right? Examine Methodically…

        • At least a couple of searchers have gotten past the first clue without knowing the “important possibility”. So, what is the “important possibility”?

          • Tom – I never said I got past the first clue, just that I have had my “what took you so long moment regarding TTOTC”.

            The first clue is still the hardest.

            IMO

        • Hi Seeker,
          I read some of your prior posts and noticed that that you are using ‘WhatIF’ phrase quiet often. I assume when you are using it, you are referring to Mr Fenn’s statement ‘have you consider what if’ in one of his scrapbooks and then again in one of his weekly words? Have you ever speculated on what did he meant by this phrase?

          • LlteIndianGrl,
            The original response from fenn was about a post Dal made [ dart throwing something ]… The WhatIF’s are nothing more than possibilities of thought…
            There are many WWWH in the RM’s right? Well, are we to just toss a dart at the map and hope we get the right one… or think about the WhatIF’s there is something fenn placed in the poem that eliminates all the other places?
            My one thought is that WWWH relates to hoB… I’d go as far as saying HLAWH might be the same place [ not just close, but the same ].

            Conventional thinking by many have a great distance between clues [ some have miles between some clues ]. But WhatIF all the clues [ or most ] are within 500′ or so? Or all the clues are within a relatively small area within the hoB? And why searchers walked by all the remaining clues and the chest, after solving the first two clues…

            LOL… that’s what I think. What fenn meant -?- who knows.

      • “Tight” focus. Should we key in on the word or the phrase “tight focus” to determine the key word?
        At this point mine is “tired”.

        Questions?

        • i for eye you must see and listen ok lets roll with it ive been up ive been down there is one place i have found that has a hob wwh and but is it a memory of his quest or is it he that he lived there or was there something special that was a chieved by this person named BROWN WE KNOW MOLLY AND MORE ok the twister is in the eye but a solve is far away
          at a ladder that one must climb with a brave soul but its a dead end id guess but im looking just cause im alive to do it. ty mr FENN For pushing my life into the learning path. its a good thing to learn how others accomplish their tasks

          • every one that knows me knows i admire FENNS WORK I OFTEN ASK MYSELF WOULD I OR COULD I PART with myself or my work if i had created such a life where i could give back in such a way I THINK I COULD I TRULY HOPE OTHERS FOLLOW IN hIS FOOT STEPSthen there is always what if you found it

      • Hello zap. Do you suggest it’s like a “Seek-a-Word” puzzle in the poem, or the “word that is key” is in the definition of a word that is in the puzzle?

          • By SF interviews, do ou mean the live videos recorded at Collected Works bookstore? There have been many interviews done in Santa Fe (e.g. On the Road with Charlie). I’ve never specifically gone digging into the Collective Works bookstore videos to see if he has ever said the word, but I’m guessing he hasn’t. I suppose I could go to tarryscant, pull up the transcript and see if it’s in there anywhere.

          • Zap, what is the name of a puzzle where the solution is hidden plain sight? For some reason, I can’t remember the word. Thx

          • Hi JBL — you might be thinking of the word steganography. In steganography, the message may not be “in plain sight” — the whole point of stego is to conceal something in otherwise ordinary-looking information (be it a picture, text, song, whatever). The intended recipient knows what to look for, whereas everyone else is oblivious.

            In one respect, this is better than a cipher: with a cipher you KNOW there is a secret message, but you don’t know how to decode it. With stego, you aren’t even aware there IS a secret message to be found.

          • Hi Oz10 – Oh! I haven’t watched those videos in quite a long time. I’ll give ’em another look/listen to see if my key word is in there. As you point out, it isn’t clear whether Dal is suggesting there might be a key in there, or if it’s Forrest suggesting that.

          • I mentioned it to be cautious. Though I don’t think Dal or whoever wrote the heading will take it upon themselves to claim something that ff didn’t approve.

            And while you do that, how many lines in the first stanza are needed to uncover your key? You did mentioned once that not everything there is important.

          • Hi Oz10 — I finally made it through all the Sante Fe Interviews. I think I last watched them in the summer of 2015, so it was good to make another pass. As I suspected, Forrest never says my keyword. He provides an Easter Egg for it in one of the videos, but that’s all.

          • Zap, thanks for the answer. I guess there is more than one key then. Back to my question, how many lines in the first stanza did you need to uncover your key word?

          • Sorry to jump in on this poat, but as of this day OZ…IMO – the first line in the 1st stanza is my first of two key words I have found to exist in the poem.

            Are there more or less….beats me….I’m still a seacher and not a finder.

            :o)
            Good luck.

          • Tim, thanks for sharing. Okay, words not in the poem but extracted from it.

            I also have one from the first line and the 2nd line defines it. I pulled a second word from the 4th line but not sure if applies. Nothing from the 3rd line so far. You previously said you found another on the 5th stanza?

          • No I did not.

            Thennagain, I only believe that stanzas 2, 3, & 4 are the actual directions to the chest.

            MO – stanzas 1, 5 and 6 are in order of mY thinking…
            #1 – introduction to the chase
            #4 – explains why FF his the chest
            #5 – gives direction to the finder on legalities

            Cheers.

          • Oz10: since I’ve shared the answer to your question with others, and perhaps even here a while back, it’s two.

        • Zap,
          Regarding your post on steganography, it brought to mind one of my favorite lines in Jump-starting the Learning Curve in TTOTC:

          One day my teacher asked, “Forrest Fenn, don’t you know anything?” I replied, ” Miss Ford, I don’t even suspect anything.”

          I can relate.

      • I agree Zap. There are not only the words in the poem, but as the old saying goes – “It is what is in between the lines that counts”. JDA

          • need the other letter values to find “X”. 🙂
            or, alpha-bet, who can find the 4 leaf clover? lol.

          • I’ve been convinced that the clues will help us find the X. It is interesting though that X is the 24th letter and there are 24 lines.

          • Hi Aaron.

            “write/draw an ‘X’ “….

            ..but where, huh? Oh yeah, that is right…on a “good map”! :o)

            “I sound like I am talking in circles.”
            – sound familiar?

            This will be my winter project this coming season.

            I’m going to go to try and draw an “X” on a “map” – like Forrest said – but I will do this by using all the details and information I have accumulated and acquired over 5 years. Probably plotting out different locations I have discovered and then see where it leads me.

            I’m just going to let my “spiritual energy” take over…*smiles…..and go with the that synergy flow. I have found that when I am just relaxed and focussed in pretty much anything, I 52nd to receive all kinds of wild brainstorming ideas and then after jottong them down, and eliminsting the useless, I find I can narrow things down to a bare minimum and work with something statistilcally stable.

            Do I have a “good” map….I’ll know afterwards, huh? LOL

            Difficulty-land has been interesting.

            I will say this, I do have a location, and this new effort will hopefully give me my final validation I am looking for at solving this puzzle correctly.

            If successful, I should be well within a 50 ft radius or smaller – because I already know the target area I have selected…..if my efforts pan out, the way I am hoping for, I should probably walk away successfully.

            Time will tell…..as we all know it will.

            Good luck to you.

            Be the chest.

          • Always….safety is too priority.

            Sheez…I want to be able to enjoy the treasure!!

            :o)

            Good luck!

      • That is a good idea. It could be in a sentence without being a word in the sentence itself. What a Fenny thing to do! Great, and I thought the key word was “treasures”.

      • I agree that Indulgence is “IN” a secure place, but doubt that “in” is the word that is key. I think that there is a much better word, when you look at the totality of Forrest’s life, and what has been important to him. – TRY and STAY SAFE ALL – JDA

    • I Agree that the key word is “in”. I don’t know when or where FF said something to the effect of, that from the blaze don’t miss/forget the 1st clue. I think the first clue is “As I have gone alone in there”
      J A Kraven I like the way Your looking at that! I might not have looked deep enough?

          • Bowmarc, Copper, Chris
            For past few days I’ve been off-the-grid so to speak. Think I owe you a thanks and explanation.

            Part 1: In retrospect, my posting ”hear” was unintended and I think subliminal. Seldom do I post just a single word except “sub” to subscribe. I had recently made a couple posts using the phrase “here hear” and might have meant to type ‘here’ as in present. But that was just one thing distracting me at that time.

            Part 2: Recently, my wife has been traveling to-and-fro Chicago. After greeting and welcoming her home from her last trip, I went into my man-cave for a couple hours. A bit later I emerged to find her asleep on our Davenport. I got a coffee and went back to my man-cave. A couple hours later I emerged again to find her sitting-up and she asked “do you hear that?” It was so quiet you could hear a leaf drop. Then I heard a few birds chirping and asked if that’s what she meant. She replied “no, they just started” and she went on to explain she had been awake for about 15 minutes and heard nothing but silence and her heart beating. “No noisy people, no jets, no cars, no horns, no sirens, no wind’. She went on to explain she hadn’t slept well while in Chicago. We just sat and held hands for a few minutes saying nothing. I heard my own heart beating and for a split-second swore I heard hers, too! I made her a cup of tea and me another coffee. Then we quietly chatted for a bit about family, life and other random topics. After a bit, I kissed her on the cheek and she left to go unpack. I went back into my man-cave and that’s when I posted “hear”, I now think subliminally in relation to what just happened. My mind and my heart saying to me to just be still and listen – “hear”.

            At first glance I didn’t understand your responses. I reread mine and (duh) the dots connected. When I venture outdoors, I look for spots to just sit for a spell and listen. I especially enjoy sitting on a rock along or in a stream with my boots off and feet soothed by the cold, running waters. In those rare moments nature and I can be quite still. Sometimes when I listen very hard, even the rushing waters run silent. Most often, my greatest challenge is to just quite my thoughts and imagine. I wonder if this is what FF meant by tight focus.

            “Hear”? Only FF knows for certain.

            Chase well…Stay safe…

          • KidUtah – It is nice to “Hear” a story like yours. We get so caught up in our daily lives, that we forget to “hear” the world of “Silence”. I am quite hard of hearing, and I consider it a blessing in a way. I have hearing aids, but “forget” to wear them quite frequently – I enjoy the silence – much to other’s chagrin. JDA

          • JDA
            Thanks. You are one I like to hear from! These days, I don’t have the best of hearing either. Not only do my wife, kids and grandkids remind me that on occasion, but I unfortunately sense it more and more to be true. Thanks again. Chase well…Stay safe…

          • Thank you for sharing your story, KidUtah. While being in the moment of your story, I could feel myself unwind and burdens lifted off my shoulders. Again, thank you.

          • pdenver
            Thank you! Nice to hear sometimes I have a good affect on someone.
            Chase well…Stay safe…

          • “Man Cave”

            …I call mine “The War Room” because I’m using the room for my own leisure, and it is my central HQ for buying and selling on eBay.

            The War Room has stuck and I now can’t see it as a “man cave” any more….LOL

            Would love to post a pic or two, but not intelligent enough to figure it out…*winks*…or if it even possible.

            Cheers!

          • Kid that is beautiful. I believe we are to listen. The loud. wind, rain and fire was not heard, only the quiet whisper.

          • :o)
            Thanks…believe it or not…my wife named it this for some odd reason…maybe the disarray that really doesn’t exist….because I know where everything is at.

            :o)

          • Tim (ZosoRocks) – Seeker
            Yes – a man-cave. It tain’t much but it’s MINE! I believe you Tim (ZosoRocks). My wife named mine, as well! If I recall correctly, it first began when we had a (er) slight misunderstanding about something and she suggested (banished?) me to “go downstairs to your man-cave”. Afterwards, it just became part of our everyday speak. Even my grandkids know and call it as “papa’s man-cave”! Thanks.
            Chase well…Stay safe…

          • Bowmarc
            Thank you. I’ll stick with man-cave. As IMO I think FF thinks, we’ve had far too many wars for not far enough lasting peace.
            Chase well…Stay safe…

          • LOL…maybe my wife didn’t think “Peace Room” suited the “supposed chaos”.

            :o)

            …as long as everyone….*singing*……”everyone needs a little time away, a hol-i-day, in their maaaan-cave.”

            :o)

            Cheers!!

          • @Tim – Yes, funny how they try to help us by rearranging something for us, then get mad when we ask them where something is because they moved it in the first place!

            @Kid – Yes, I agree—cave is more up FF’s alley, and too many wars (been 3 years since my nephew and his unit lost theirs to an IED).

  1. The key word must contain at minimum: one uppercase letter, one lowercase letter, one number, one punctuation symbol, and must be at least 17 characters long.

    It’s also required to be replaced with a new key word every month.

    • That gave me a chuckle this morning Blex. Good one.

      As Lugnutz pointed out on 10 November and is something I’ve been working on myself for a while now, there are many words within the poem, so the question is which key word is Forrest referring to? One hidden in plain sight, or an actual poem word?

      For example, “The answer I already KNOW”. Which “know” word might be key? Know, no, or now, or maybe even “won” if you subscribe to the mirror theory?

      Pinatubocharlie

  2. I have a word that is key in the poem that is very different then most would venture to guess. Rather it is the right key word only time will tell.

  3. I too believe that I have the key word.
    Although I don’t believe it leads directly to the chest but unlocks another level.
    I’m seriously looking for someone to partner up with. I have come to somewhat of a road block, I have a mountain of information but I’m unsure of what direction to take it.
    I’m well past the ff, twentyone to be exact and it’s mind boggling.
    If anyone wants to talk, leave your email and I’ll get back to you.

  4. The key word to me keeps bouncing around the “end”. We are told where to begin then bounced around halting, ceasing and taking. Omega rock formations are everywhere the imagination can shape a shadow at the right time of day. Every story, every clue, every life has a begin and an end. Just my opinion but this whole adventure is about enhancing that flutterby ride to the end.

    Smoky

  5. I like to think out of the box, and use my imagination in a practical way re: the actual meaning of words / synonyms, etc. I think it’s the only way this safe is going to be cracked.

    1 – Key word…”found”? i.e. as in ‘foundry’ = to make something. Does the poem tell us how to make something that when placed over “a good map,” we “look quickly down” (through the thing we’ve “found”) at a specific spot on the map?

    2 – WWWH… Warm water halts when it rises through the air in droplets, reaches cold air, and then forms clouds.

    3 – “But tarry scant …” “But” can easily mean ‘but for the.’ In other words, leave the tarry scant (i.e. Scant = a flat object used to cover a hole)…just take the chest.

    Have made 3 BOTG trips to WY so far. So much fun. On one trip, my sister and I located a (very clear) omega (looked like it was drawn with tar – I am not sh*tting you) on top of a rock scant right next to a dam. Sadly, nothing underneath. In hindsight, an 80 year old man would not have been able to get to it.

    So, I’m putting the above out there for what it’s worth. If it helps someone find the treasure, I’d like at least one gold coin. Good luck!

  6. Many searchers utilize the poem without ever reading the book (TTOTC). And that is fine as Forrest has said that is a possible way to find the chest. So, many are studying the words in the poem…
    Forrest tells us that there are hints in TTOTC book that will help someone understand the clues in the poem…
    With that said, if the book provides hints that will help to understand the clues in the poem, wouldn’t that make it a Key of sorts? An answer key if you will?
    If many are using just the poem…and fewer are utilizing the ‘book’ as well as the poem…then the ‘keyword’ very well could be the ‘BOOK’.

    • Jeremy ~ ‘An answer key if you will?’
      If true… wouldn’t the poem that has all the “information” to find the chest, tell us, without any ambiguous meaning or guessing?

      If you are brave [ Meaning; to take on a challenge ] and in the wood [ made of wood, paper ~ not plural ]… I give you “title” to the gold?? TTOTC

  7. Blex,

    Earlier you said “At any rate, you present some other possibilities regarding the double omega. I could easily see it as representing the 2 times his plane was shot down during the war, for example. Whatever personal secret is behind Forrest’s double omegas, I do not think it is necessary to know in order to find the Treasure.”

    IMO i have 3 very good and related double omegas. One answers the riddle of circles and beginning/end and is directly connected to one of the others in terms of proximity and how they can be used together. I’ve searched the area twice now and though I’ve kind of moved on to somewhere else for the time being, I honestly think there is something I’ve missed in the poem confirming that is the right area. I’m just too dense to figure it out though I continue to struggle to do so, assuming I’m right in the first place.

    We’ve had over 8″ of rain where in live in the Pacific NW (the Hoh Rain Forest is closeby) just this month (89″ for the year) and there is no sign of it letting up for at least a week, maybe longer, so being retired I’ll have a lot of time to read (study) – think (analyze) – read, etc. which reminds me, I need to order those books.

    Take care………pinatubocharlie

    • Welcome to TTOTC and hoD.

      As my names implies, I tend to favor Utah. When I wore a younger man’s clothes, I often traveled the beautiful Seattle and Pacific Northwest areas, but I never made it up your way. Then about 5 years ago, my wife and I went to cruise the Inside Passage sailing from Seattle, WA to Skagway, AK. Four days before, we traveled to Port Angeles and met some friends who ferried over from Victoria, BC. Together we traveled and stayed at a B&B in Forks, WA. It was May and we brought along unusually warm 70F weather and lots of sunshine. When we hiked the Hoh Rainforest there was light, refreshing rainfall although I swear not a cloud in the sky. I think it was the light wind blowing moisture held by the canopy of the trees. It was a wonderful experience.

      One morning we visited La Push beach and on our way out were invited by a member of the Quileute tribe to stay and join in a celebration / feast that honored their elders. As I stood in the tribal community center I spotted an old 1900s b&w photograph of many chiefs / leaders. The handwritten caption quoted one leader and if I recall correctly read “Learn all that you can from the white man then use it to defeat him”. The afternoon was filled with great fellowship, food and cultural events. One of the most memorable times I’ve ever had

      We also hiked the amazing Cape Flattery boardwalk / trail – WOW! – and visited the nearby Makah Museum and Cultural Center. Other places we visited included Lake Crescent / Marymere Falls, Hurricane Ridge, driving along Strait of Juan de Fuca and Port Townsend. All a thrill in my lifetime.

      ps. Yes – Twilight had a part to bring us there – my wife a HUGE fan and me admittedly a bit, as well. Alice my favorite and my wife even arranged a surprise meeting for me with Ashley Greene at a sequel’s premiere showing. We’d love to revisit your area for its own natural beauty, peoples and thrills.

      • Now I’m really jealous… first ya have your very own man cave… now you met Ashley ‘the neck nibbler’ Green also?
        All I have is a tool shed and a family of squirrels. I’m moving to Utah…

      • Thank you or the warm welcome KidUtah, but I’ve been hanging around here at the HoD for almost a year now.

        Sounds like your visit to Forks, La Push, and the Hoh Rain Forest was wonderful, and the weather even cooperated. I used to fish the rivers in that area for winter steelhead, Silver and King salmon with a lot and very found memories of the Sol Duc, Calawa, Bogachiel, and Hoh Rivers.

        Even though we do get a lot of rain around here on the west side of the Cascades, we also have some truly beautiful weather too. My advice to folks coming this way is to shoot for late July and August to greatly improve your odds of nice warm and sunny weather.

        You didn’t mention Rialto Beach which is in the Olympic National Park and not far from La Push. It’s a great beach to explore, especially at low tide if memory serves.

        And if you do come out again and enjoy hiking, Staircase Campground (Olympic National Park too) near Mt. Washington, has a beautiful trail for day hiking, and is just down the road from our home. Mt. St. Helens is a wonderful day trip as is Mt. Rainier.

        Take care……… pinatubocharlie

        • Pinatubocharlie
          Thank you for your kind words. As a young man, I traveled to Mt. Rainer and Mt. St. Helens, the former on a few ski trips with Seattle friends, the latter a couple years before her 1980 temper tantrum. I remember my Mt. Rainer skiing days being cold, windy, wet and icy. Fun mostly cause’ of my trip companions. I much preferred Utah’s world renowned white powder under warming sunshine. Although, I did enjoy racing moguls in close proximity to one another; we called it “speed bumping”, and now that I mention it, a few facial scrapes and burns come back in mind (ouch!).

          Heading to see Mt. St. Helens, I recall driving a blackened dark-brown road paved with (I thought) lava rock and pausing roadside at a small castle made of lava rock complete with towers. From atop, a panoramic view of the volcano complete with a snow-capped summit, and below its darkened slopes, a wide valley filled with tall-standing pines. Beautiful yet I still sense a foreboding feeling of doom & gloom at any moment.

          As a young man, I’d travel from Utah to Seattle and throughout Washington about 8-10 times a year. I quickly grew to love the Pacific Northwest, especially Emerald City. Before my very first trip, I envisioned vast, thick forests of giant pines and ferns, and everyone living in cedar log built homes! I was a bit concerned when I first drove across eastern Washington’s high sierra country – I thought I had been misled! On another cruise to Alaska, my wife and I spent a few fantastic days beforehand in the Emerald City, just a few blocks away from the Jimi Hendrix studio. Today, after 40+ years traveling across this country and some years living / traveling abroad, we both agree Seattle and its surrounding area is our second most favorite place. I’ll leave it for you to imagine our first favorite place.

          When in Forks, we wanted to visit Rialto Beach but lack of time did not allow. Should I ever roam your way, I’ll keep in mind Staircase Campground near Mt. Washington and you.

          Dal and you are kinda neighbors in close proximity. Maybe the two of you should meet once upon a while to chat over coffee..

          Thanks again.

  8. A Daring Doooo, an idea proffered.

    It seems to me that we have all been efforting a solve, however we all (self-included) continually retreat to methods that well……… just have not worked.

    As the dog returns to its vomit, we continually address the same issues, repeatedly, using methods that have been worn thread bare with no real fruition. This is because we “know” that some people have “come within 100s of yards”, yet we know not who, or how. We have hints of a map, so naturally there must be a key, not to be confused with a legend or a table (which should be somewhere if we are truly working with a map). The Key is simply “an explanatory list of symbols” the exact thing that has been driving us all batty.

    There are 166 words in the poem (including repeats) 159 if you eliminate the 7 possessive “I”s, ___106 words if you eliminate the repeats.

    Which is weird?

    If you eliminate all cancelable with each other most are opposites of each other.
    I / me / my (these could be eliminated in the possessive “I”s YOU
    HAVE GIVE
    GONE TARRY
    NEW OLD
    SECRETE ANSWERE
    DOWN UP
    WARM COLD
    HINT KNOW
    MEEK BRAVE / BOLD
    HALT GO
    BELOW HIGH
    FROM TOO
    END BEGIN
    EFFORT TIRED
    LOOK FOUND
    FAR NIGH / DRAWING
    QUEST DONE
    HEAVY WEAK
    ALONE WITH / ALL
    KEEP LEAVE
    BLAZE WATERS
    RICHES / TREASURE SCANT
    QUICKLY CEASE
    PEACE LISTEN
    HEAR GAZE
    SEEK MARVEL
    THERE WHERE
    CANYON CREEK
    AS IS
    BE WHY
    MUST WILL
    NO PLACE HOME
    BEEN ARE
    IF CAN
    EVER NOW
    TROVE CHEST
    ME YOUR
    WISE WORTH
    BROWN GOLD

    GET THE IDEA ??????

    PUT TAKE
    p.s I am putting out an old e.g. there are issues with this that I didn’t like some of the combinations, one makes paddle canceled and walk live meaning . I just wanted to see reception comments…. Befor also the numeric of the poem get interesting when you count the words, letters, and locations of the possessive Is and the “I”s as a whole. Also 24 lines in 6 paragraphs should be 4 lines each, I think this elimination of words has something to do with the unusual punctuation and capitalization.

    And you end up with the only words that don’t have cancelations,

    Walk /Paddle So (south) to good title. Note I don’t think this whole idea of “going up stream” is exactly right. (this also fits the whole poem, how do you go along a stream with no paddle? You drift with the current.)

    In map terms this could be a key/ legend we only need the inset map or the starting point?

    This method of what it CANT be may be useful in another feature.

    Forest Fenn, was almost destroyed by the federal government, 2 associates killed, he blames the FBI. Do you really think this man would place his riches on government land where the government with unlimited legal powers and finance could/would make a claim? Especially when the WORD TITLE is right in the poem? It has to be on private land. Especially considering the ranchers disputes over public lands. REMEMBER the BARB WIRE WARS!!!!!

    Here is another non-issue, Forrest Fenn is from Texas, there is only one area (relatively small comparatively) of the map that shares the area of New Mexico and the republic of Texas it is the areas generally to the n.e of Taos that overlaps onto ff map.

    Another non-issue, almost 81% of all areas above 10,000 feet in the us are located in the state of Colorado. I believe that the starting point we are looking for will be Just above the 10,000 foot mark and you will travel south/down to the elevation, after all the Treasure is not above that mark, but the starting point may be just above. I believe ff used this language to specifically exclude current Colorado; however a small part of co is found in the old republic of Texas areas.

    So that may narrow it down, an area to the n.e of Taos, with an elevation above the typical expected, with a water way traveling to the south. By the way a famous general FROM TEXAS was name Taos.

    Have fun…… ill go be crazy somewhere else for a while.

    • i would guess the answere is in the reaSON WHY i go to placese and askmyself why would he be here or what could bring him to this place thinking out loud again good night all.

    • RemeberTHEALAMO
      I believe You are on to something. To much for me to wrap my thinking around.
      The poem says “So why is it that I must go”.
      I hope You can tell us. Good Luck!

  9. Gooooooood Morning!!! Kids were late to school and I forgot to brush my teeth. Off with a bang as usual!

    Word that is key :
    Memoir
    Forrest’s story
    His story
    History!
    The word that is key is history.

    I hope you have a kick ass day!
    Copper

  10. What is the double OMEGA? Beginning and End.

    What does a puzzle have: Beginning and End.

    What doe logic tell us about our search? It has a beginning and an End.

    What else do we know the beginning of most puzzles is at on of it’s what ? Borders……What does the first clue signify as its Starting Point? A BORDER. Now lets get down and buy a book by his favorite artist/author, Hemingway….So we can learn all about WW1 who knows their could be a message https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2L_OyS21lM

    I was on a marker on the Border when I shot this video, the importance of the Border cannot be overstated, WWWH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-GD4vhA3No&feature=em-share_video_user
    TT

  11. “Put-In”: This is the term used to describe the starting point of any rafting trip. Look for the first one of these put-ins to the south (below) of the home of Brown. That is the location of the parking lot and starting point for the hike north (up) alongside a creek.

    • Bobby;
      Yes – No
      There is an old English definition of creek: “A narrow or winding passage, or a sheltered passage or place”

      “A sheltered passage or place” can be interpreted as “A tomb” Some would say this is a bit of a stretch, but possible. – Use your imagination –

      Other lines “hint” at tomb – to some.

      “I’ve done it…” = past tense of “I did it”. What did Forrest do? He hid it – he hid the treasure, or he BURIED it! Forrest BURIED or ENTOMBED, the treasure!

      Where did he bury or entomb the Treasure? “I buried or entombed it tired” ??? (Interp.)
      Tired = Feeling a need to rest or sleep – wanting to lie down. Therefore, the Treasure is buried or entombed lying down IN the ground, or in a tomb.

      These are just a couple of lines and words that COULD be interpreted as relating to a tomb. Hope this helps – JDA

  12. Greeting Fellow Fennatics,

    “Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

    IMO, Perhaps a word that is key (to unlock something) would be “context”…?

    Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

    ~Wisconsin Mike

    • Mike, you used a very applicable word ‘Fennatics’. Some days I know I should join a 12 step program. Past the age of children attached to the hip, I now carry TTOTC! :). Enjoy that turkey!

  13. @Pinatubocharlie….Thanks for correcting my paraphrased “pay attention to the commas”.

    *********
    “I am frequently criticized for where I put commas. My reply is that I don’t want to use anybody’s book-writing rules. It is my prerogative as the writer to decide when I want the reader to pause, not the reader’s, and certainly not the critic’s.” f – SB 179

    *********
    If I may say a thought…..

    Granted this quote does not say “pay attention to the comnas” directly, but one could extrapolate a vague sense in FF that he placed comnas where he thinks they should be…..well in context – if you carefully read the quote.

    This is why my angle of, that the comnas actually represent a “pause” (or deeper in my thinking – a “directional change” caused by a pause in making a directional change…. This is what I think the statement means in a reference to the poem/map.

    FF wants the seeker to use the poem, right? Why wouldn’t he include directions? In fact, the nouns have directions, and now, IMO….the comnas.

    They seem to fit pretty nicely….and a very possible way to locate the blaze easier.

    Cheers!

    • I agree on the commas having meaning. I have found myself agreeing with most everything you say. I don’t comment much, but we do seem to think very very much alike and use the same logic.

      Safety first

      Lyzeebella

      • Hi Lyzee.

        Thanks for the feedback, but “everything”?

        :o)

        I’m surprised – as many seem to think I’m a bit loco…..*smiles*….you know “bat shite crazy” level.

        LOL

        Could you debunk my thoughts? What did you find out?

        Have you found them useful in locating a starting point? Or useless.

        What information was most beneficial to you?

        Care to repeat what that was for others?

        Thanks again for the confidence! We all like to get more confidence!! :o)

        Good luck to you.

  14. Lets see…a deduction. ..paraphrasing.
    A) Many thinking ( contemplating ) on the clues.
    B) Few focused on the word that is key.
    C) What one word in the clues…is the key to the entire solve?
    D) It is a single word.
    E) BLAZE….Thats it….BLAZE
    F) Find the Blaze….look quickly down…quest to cease….game over…tresure found.

    This is an opinion. The BLAZE can not be identified without solving the other clues

    • Great,
      But what good is a word if it doesn’t help us solve anything prior?
      I mean, we could need 9 words prior to identify what the blaze is, right?

      If I was to really concentrate on a word that is key… I’m not sure its an ‘unlocker’ perse… but of importance for understanding. And it seems more important the we understand the first clue… long before identifying the blaze.
      I don’t see how the word “Blaze” helps with the other clues, especially the one we are told we need or stay home.

      “I think the problem that searchers make is that they don’t dwell long enough on the first clue.”
      “I mean, there’s people driving down the street looking for a blaze, because that’s one of the clues, but you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure, I don’t think, I mean, it would be a miracle if someone did.”

      • Hi Seeker….

        IMO – the key word does ulock the poem.

        Why or how? I’ll give you one instance….

        My key word is in the poem, but part of a riddle. If I have solved the riddle correctly, I will be able to understand that portion of the poem and possibly reverse engineer the poem from this point backwatds to a WWWH.

        Now with doing this, how do I know I have the correct or right WWWH, huh? Simple..,my WWWH is something related to FF’s hints. Well it clearly fitd, because it is a factual instance I uncovered.

        Now, do I keep or discard my General solve because of a what I have found? I don’t think so.

        Okay, that is a how. Here is a why?

        The key word unlocks the poem’riddle,in such a way, that IMO – provides a direct location/place that anyone can go directly to. It is named in such a way, there isn’t that many, if any others at all, of such a location in the RMs that would also fit the clues as they are written.

        I could be wrong, but I have yet been able to debunk this logic. Maybe you can.

        Good luck.

        • I agree with you and had a similar thought process on the poem/riddle solve and that other things in the poem needed to be done reverse to get to the starting point.

          • Hi Matt.
            Cool…and how are you progressing with double checking the possibilities and/or debunking what you have discovered?

            Good progress?

            Bad progress?

            No progress?

            Have you used any of my techniques?

            Did you try remote viewing yet?

            I’m in the process of trying to teach my dog in how to find bronze…..hehehe…..

            Cheers and good luck?

          • (making the assumption I have a legitimate solve on the poem)
            Hi Tim. I actually have a solve that I want to get BOTG to verify. Unfortunately I’m 1500+ miles away from the Rockies and it’s coming up to winter now so hopefully it sits in waiting for me.
            I started with a few WWWH locations – a key word in the poem clicked one day – and not even a word I suspected was key. Because of that I came up with logical solves for 9 clues fairly quick-at least I think that they are the clues HA! I back tracked successfully to only one of my WWWH. All through the solves I felt like one line in one stanza led to a solve for another line in another stanza(a couple of them seemed like a ‘proof’ for another solve), similar to the halt/cease example somewhere on the thread here. I felt like things came together inside out? for lack of better description. All this with TTOTC, the Poem and Google Maps and Earth only.
            I have been debunking and verifying my solve and I can’t find anything that would indicate it’s incorrect. When I go to BOTG I know where I am going but don’t know where to look until I see the environment, if that makes sense.
            I’m getting some bronze stuff at the local Home Depot so I can train my dog 🙂 great idea!
            Needless to say I’m obsessed now. Did I answer your questions? I drifted … LOL

          • Hehehe….we may be the only reo I’m the world teaching our dogs new tricks!!

            Yes to did answer..it sounds like you are in my temporary camp of fine tuning.

            Iwont wait for you to arrive if we are searching the same region.

            :o)

            Good luck.

      • Seeker,

        The key to unlocking to where the treasure is most certainly the “blaze.” As one follows the clues in succession, those clues prior as you had a question, “But what good is a word if it doesn’t help us solve anything prior?” That the question you asked leads me to think that you might be using clues to discover the one before.

        Each clue leads us to the next clue and it comes to the blaze. The blaze is the most important thing that unlocks where the treasure is at. Tight focus is most definitely needed to find the blaze. Yes, wwwh, and HoB are very important, they lead to searching for the blaze.

        The key word IMO is “blaze” it needs research and a lot of imagination more than any other clue, just by the fact there is no description of what it looks like.

        All IMO
        CharlieM

        • I think there is a description of what the blaze looks like in the poem. I believe a word that is key helps one figurie it out.

    • One word in the poem that definitely stands out and deserves tight focus is Brown. It is capitalized for a reason.

      Put in below the home of Brown. What does that mean? If we knew what that is we will walk straight to the chest he says. And from that thing/place (we could) but there is no need to reverse engineer back to clue one. He has said don’t look for the blaze first, but has he ever said ‘don’t look for home of Brown first’??? How close of a relationship does this Brown clue has to the wwh clue? We need the first to understand the others but if we have Brown no need to either walk or solve backwards. Okay I’m going in circles…

      • Oz10: I can not find the original source (perhaps Dal can dig it up?) but back on April 13th, 2014, Dal had a response to a searcher named Clayton that said: “Forrest said: ‘You need to start at the beginning. You need to figure out where warm waters halt.’ He said this because many searchers were skipping directly to home of Brown. That is the point at which many folks were starting. … because (I suppose) it is easier. He was trying to get them to think about the first clues rather than the middle… And then I believe he went on to say that the clues are consecutive and we need to figure them out in the order they are, in the poem…”

        So while this isn’t a Fenn quote, it is Dal’s reading of the tea leaves w.r.t. Fenn’s opinion of people trying to short-circuit the poem and start in the middle because they mistakenly think it will be easier.

        • Thanks Zap. There is no doubt that we need to solve and nail down the first clue before anything. I am not saying that Brown is the word/key either but it does call attention from the beginning since it is in the same stanza as the first clue and closely related to the chest as per ff. So, that is why I ask myself if one is related to the other, not if I can start at the home of Brown but as I solve from the first clue in order, by the time I get there will I understand the true meaning of it, can I use it as a qualifier of sorts?

        • Zap,
          While it would be foolhardy to dispute F’s words to “start at the beginning… figure out [wwwh]” and defy a common sense approach that each clue builds on the previous one(s), the following comment does seem to introduce a slight wrinkle in these basic tenets:

          Question posted 7/2/2014:
          Do you think that someone who is sure about the location of the home of Brown could reverse-engineer where warm waters halt? ~Ben Raylor
          “Thanks for the question Ben.
          If you are sure about the location of home of Brown why are you concerned about where warm waters halt? But to answer your question, sure you could and a few searchers might throw in some gas money for a percentage of the take. Good luck.f”
          ( http://mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase/ )

          Just scratching my head…
          Joe

          • Hi Joe…et al community bloggers….

            “Thanks for the question Ben.
            If you are sure about the location of home of Brown why are you concerned about where warm waters halt? But to answer your question, sure you could and a few searchers might throw in some gas money for a percentage of the take. Good luck.f”
            ( http://mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase/ )

            IMO – FF is stating that one can use the “reverse engineering technique” to double check your WWWH selection. Of it does…move another step forward in the board….but you may consider bringing someone along….safety first.

            Remember, hoB is “down” from WWWH and a canyon. Of yours is not…please go back to “Go”….*winks*…..

            Good luck to you….and have some fun with your imagination.

        • Hi Joe — yes, well familiar with the reverse-engineering remark by Forrest. But I’ve never found it contradictory. What it tells me is that there is a clue progression that must be followed, and therefore if you have reached the 3rd or 4th clue, the 1st clue may no longer be relevant — it has served its purpose.

          The key qualifier in Forrest’s answer is “If you are *sure* (my emphasis),” and the unstated additional information is that you cannot possibly be sure … unless you got there subsequent to solving preceding clues. (And even then, you won’t truly be sure, but at least the logical clue progression will give you some confidence.)

          I believe Forrest’s intent was to design the clues so that they would be one-way. Just as there are 10 billion blazes in the Rockies, there are probably millions of workable hoB’s, some of them not so obvious. How to choose among them? Better to solve WWWH, because in my opinion once you’ve got that figured out, you won’t question it. It’ll be “nailed down” and you’ll be able to proceed with confidence at least that far.

      • I agree Oz! Put in can mean 3 things to me. It’s a boating and aviation term. But it can be a place he “put in” the treasure too. So? I will now spend another winter contemplating all of this.

  15. Look at the Fenn comment in context. Look at when he said it and what was being discussed on this blog.

    I don’t think you need a key word to unlock anything I just think he was seeing that all the discussion was about Warm Waters, Home of Brown and the Blaze. Chasers were not focussed on any other words let alone a necessary one is how I read that.

    That line has been quoted thousands of times here, I don’t see the point of constantly constantly doing there but whatever.

    Why don’t we add the date of the quote to the top of this page? What do you think Dal? I’ll bet a large majority of all comments on this blog have come after that date.

    Thanks
    Lugnutz
    Typed while on a train and not making corrections

    • For me, I don’t think the truth and logic of his statement is any less true now than it was when he stated it, nor would it be any less true 10,000 years from now if I haven’t found the treasure by then.

    • Lugnutz;

      I mean no disrespect Lug, but the way I look at your statement is this – Since you have not been able to find a meaningful “Word that is key” – you say that it is not needed to unlock anything.

      Yes, I HAVE found a word that is key. When did I find this word? Has it helped me “Solve the poem”? Has it helped in any other way? – These are good questions.

      When did I find this word? More than one year into my search.

      Has it helped me “Solve the poem?” – Not in a direct way, as I had pretty much “Solved the poem” already. I was down to the “Fine Tuning” stage when I figured it out.

      Has it helped in any other way? YES!!! I think that it is important that the searcher discover why Forrest his the treasure WHERE he hid it. I admit it – I HAVE NOT yet found it, but I honestly feel I am close. One of the reasons I feel that I am close is because of what my understanding of “The word that is key.” My word “Puts the bow on the package.”

      I feel that I know why Forrest picked this particular place to hide Indulgence. Forrest could have picked thousands of other places, but he chose this one for several distinct and meaningful reasons – or so I believe.

      It is beautiful, but I have seen more beautiful places. Did Forrest spent part of his youth here? I think so. Does he have special memories here? I think so. Did he discover something special in this place or discover something special about or in himself in this place? I absolutely think so. Did it finding this place, or finding the things that I think he found actually change the course of Forrest’s life? In a word – YES!

      A lot of assumptions on my part. Assumptions confirmed by stories in all three books. Assumptions I hope Forrest will confirm IF I am lucky enough to find Indulgence.

      A lot of banter that some will say is based on hallucinations –
      So be it – I am happy in my cocoon – JDA

      • JD –

        What I am saying is that I do not believe Fenn was telling us there is a Key Word.

        Ok? Do you understand what I am saying?

        I think if he meant Key Word he would have said that.
        OR
        Repeated it since then.
        Are you following me?

        He was commenting, at the time, on the state of the chase as he saw it.

        So here is the thing, JD. IF there is no Key Word AND your solve depends on a Key word either to identify WWH or TC THEN you are not looking in the correct spot.

        No one here has ever said what their Key Word is and how that unlocks anything or references any location. I would love for someone to to do that so that we could ALL say what a great or not-so-great idea it is. I suspect as with HINTS there are a lot of not-so-great ideas out there.

        No need to tell anyone to Be Safe in the off season,
        Lugnutz

        Dal – I am not getting emails for this thread, not even the subscribe confirmation email.

        • Lugnutz. I see your point. I’m not convinced there is a single “key” work that will somehow unlock the puzzle. And even if there is, it may not be the word that Forrest is referring to in his statement. Only the one that ultimately solved the poem and finds the treasure can say what was the “key” word or words. I will say that in my solution, home of Brown has been the “linchpin”. But unless my solution ultimately leads to the treasure, it’s importance cannot be known.

        • LOL Lugs…
          Fenn has everyone looking for a magical word {probably not his intent, but if that’s what folks think, let them think it ]
          What might be meant by his comment is… there is an important meaning of a word [clue-ish] that a few have been attempting to figure out, while others are having fun looking for the blaze.

          I could say it might involve the first clue, but who knows, it might involve the third or fourth clue, cuz no one has given fenn the correct order of clues, other than the first two.

          Word that is key.. Unlocks the poem? I personally don’t think so. A word of importance to understand it correct meaning in plain English…?
          LOL many here don’t think plain English can be treaty enough, Cuz we all know we need a car to travel clues, right?

        • Lug, “a word that is key”, so many say they see the poem straight forward, but when it comes to this comment, throw straight forward out the door. Almost comical. If straight forward, you can only say ‘ a word (THAT) is key, or a word that is (KEY). Only two choices, THAT or KEY. Since he says in the book “a little of me is also in the box”, he’s talking about the key to the box. When you read line 9 from right to left, you get a hint to what the key is. The key is Forrest Fenn.
          His name, to me, offers up a date. Easy enough, 8/22. That goes with the time the last clue gives. IMO. But the key, it’s Forrest Fenn. Anything else, if a solve revolves around some magic word, then you are wrong. In my humble most correct opinion.

        • Tell ya whatLug.

          I’ll tell my key word to the world ONLY IF you can guarantee that I get full credit for the finding of the chest by anyone, which would entitle me to a portion of the find.

          IMO ‘ you can’t do that, I don’t trust anyone to be fair, and thus, I won’t release this information.

          Also, maybe you can challenge my logic of how I think the key word is a factual part of the poem….I can’t.

          Good luck to you.

          • BTW Lug….I’ll be liking at this spot again next year.

            I guess we both will know if I find it or not in 2018, huh?

            Be the chest.

      • Lug;

        I see what you are saying BUT;
        1) You use “Key word” when Forrest said “Word that is key” – There is a difference.
        2) You say, “No one here has ever said what their Key Word is and how that unlocks anything or references any location.”
        You are only half correct in your statement. Many, many people have said what they think the “Word that is key” is. Very few (if any) have said “how that unlocks anything or references any location.”

        I just explained how I think that the “Word that is key”
        has helped me figure out why Forrest chose this particular place, over thousands of others, to hide Indulgence. So, I think that that helps me “unlock anything”. I consider myself a “someone” – you may differ. Read my post again. – It was written with no animus to you – Just a differing opinion – JDA

        • JDA ~’Has it helped me “Solve the poem?” – Not in a direct way, as I had pretty much “Solved the poem” already.’

          Wasn’t that lugnutz point, in part? This magical word being needed as an unlocker line of thinking. IF you already had a solve prior to finding a word that is key… what good is that word for solving the clues???

          Does it matter that you thin it tells you why fenn wanted this place or special to him or he might had gone there as a kid etc.
          So you’ve had a word that is key that gives you all the above, from a year ago, right? you have a solve that basically the word wasn’t needed, right? But tells you other things…
          How’s that working out for ya?

          • Seeker;

            You say,”So you’ve had a word that is key that gives you all the above, from a year ago, right? you have a solve that basically the word wasn’t needed, right? But tells you other things…
            How’s that working out for ya?”

            In a word – GREAT! No I can not say I have held Indulgence, but were it not for circumstances out of my control, I honestly believe that I “KNOW” where it is – Just a matter of “One more trip”.

            I know – another “Know it all” with no chest. True, at the moment – Come on spring or early summer – JDA

  16. “Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

    Has anyone given consideration that the “key” opens the box. That key is determined by the code lettering CE5 reference at the box latch.

    What is important to Fenn?… the “middle”. Read page 35 in TTOTC.

    The MIDDLE of everything. “… I was in the middle and was significant…”
    There is a long list of “Middle” and part of that list is CE5. The middle letter’s meaning is the “key”.

    So is that meaning in the poem or in the book? Me to know you you to figure out. Things are implied by Mr Fenn…. but does that mean that’s the straight skinny of it all. Not if you speak the Fenn language of mystique.

    All of this is IMHO of course.

  17. IMHO, the key word is “scale”.

    People aren’t in tight focus with a word that is key. FF said the poem was crafted as if by an architect.

    Every blueprint I’ve seen has a legend, a key to explaining the symbols, and most importantly includes the scale of the drawing. Same with maps – the legend (sometimes called the key) lists important info like the map’s scale.

    So, for me, the magic word is Scale.

      • JDA,

        When you said above, “it doesn’t match my solve –”, Does this mean you won’t consider anything what others say and your not open to other ideas?

        • Absolutely not. If that were the case, I wouldn’t spend the time I do on the blog. There are lots of ideas presented that have affected my thought processes..

          In this instance, the word “Scale” does not work.
          Simple fact, simple statement. I looked at whether the word “Scale” COULD work with my solve, and came to the conclusion that it does not. I give ANY word offered as a possibility consideration. It will work or not. Just because I reject one word offered by one searcher certainly does not mean that I reject all word possibilities – certainly not – JDA

          • Oh Hi JD yes we all need a little encouragement sometimes. Right? We all wonder out load, here. Thank you for the reply. Lou Lee

        • I mentioned that I thought Forrest said no more clues. JD said that was flawed. I think many chasers have thoughts they express. Or are looking for feedback, ideas etc. I try to be open, about ideas because untill we have the treasure nothing is certain. I still wonder if there are any clues in the new book? Or even in TFTW? BECAUSE Forrest never said there was.
          I am still getting the book because I love reading Forrests stories.I am Open to everyone’s ideas!

          • LL…remember when your first solve turned to dust? Some folks are just not there yet…Fenn’s stories are great; good glimpse at one person’s experience.

        • Lou Lee;

          You say, “I mentioned that I thought Forrest said no more clues. JD said that was flawed.” I do not recall making such a statement – but I forget a lot.

          If I did say it, it was probably in the context of – There are nine “Clues” in the poem. I feel that Forrest has included “Hints” in the poem in addition to the clues. I also believe that Forrest has offered “hints” or “Nudges” in ALL of his three books – TTOTC, TFTW and OUAW. You notice that I did NOT say “clues” – I said “hints” or “Nudges”. For me, there are only 9 clues – period. Hope I cleared up any misunderstanding about what I said or believe.

          I too try to be open in what I express – My ideas MAY very well be flawed. I am open to criticism about what I express.

          I am also VERY open to suggestions that others make – JDA

          • critique, criticism, suggestion, suggest are all synonyms.
            Hint synonym is clue.
            Nudge synonym is poke.

            Poking hints to critique clues and suggest with criticism suggestions is what we all do…

            Wait! What?!

          • Hi JDA – I also am like you.

            I love the mind sets we see expressed.

            And yep…me too….the blog is a ponderous place of V aibstorming ideas that may jar something for my brain and techniques.

            I am just so surprised I haven’t seen a lot of debunking the confines of my thoughts.

            Maybe they aren’t…..may be they are and not just being expressed.

            BTW – did you make an attempt at remote viewing?

            :o)

            Good luck sir.

          • I am hoping for a drone for Christmas so I can do a bit of “Remote viewing.” I do not want to make the climb myself in the winter, and other’s have busy schedules and can’t see the advantage in “Finding” it, but probably not able to “retrieve” it in the frozen winter. Time will tell. Anyone have a direct line to Santa re my request for a drone? 🙂 JDA

          • Hey JDA,

            Sorry, but I can’t help you with Santa, but regarding a drone I can offer some advice. Not knowing what your pocketbook will allow, my son has a DJI Phantom 3 and loves it. He’s also an accomplished stunt RC helicopter pilot I might add, but no where near the pro level I’ve seen on YouTube.

            The link below is to one of the videos he shot with the Phantom 3 at our favorite campground in Eastern Washington called Steamboat Rock State Park. We go usually there twice a year for 10 days or so and he took this during one of those trips. Watch it all the way to the end and you see something really cool.

            https://youtu.be/rDBZ14BEFPc

            Take care.

            Pinatubocharlie

          • Great Video – Thanks. Can you have your son email me at SculptorJDA at aol doyt com, I have a technical question he may be able to answer – Thanks. JDA

          • Thought you’d like it JDA. I’ll be happy to ask him to contact you, though he can be a little slow at times. So I’ll have to give him a little fatherly boost.

            Pinatubocharlie

    • Naught Forya – Google the legend for the Treasure Island map. I like how the s’s looked like f’s in the scale of that legend.

      Scales of Justice and the Omega, symbols for Libra, also came to mind, ‘just’ because of the Poem lines:

      Just heavy loads and water high
      Just take the chest and go in peace

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libra_(astrology)

      Thinking of that Ibis-headed Thoth figure shown in one of Forrest’s scrapbooks, that I ‘just’ saw again in that February 28, 2013 NBC interview video done in Forrest’s home. He is holding it.

      • Hi Lisa.

        Thoth was supposedly the god of “wisdom” too.

        IMO – Forrest has just reinforced what already he has told us…..we need to be “wise”.

        The rabbit holes for this comparison are only as large as you make them to be.

        Don’t get lost….Okay?

        :o)

    • Naught Forya – From Forrest’s Gold is the Skin of the Gods scrapbook:

      “Thoth was one of the main deities in Egyptian mythology. He’s depicted here as a man with the head of an Ibis. Thoth maintained the universe, and moderated disputes between good and bad to make sure neither gained an advantage. He invented hieroglyph, the Egyptian system of writing.”

    • My thought has been “why is it whiskey”. …”Y” is “it” , “WH is KEY” , WWWH…a reference to distilling. Y distill? Wide is still.
      Rushin’ water is vodka. Or, if it be in the poem you seek, then B B Que is the word . (B)een, (B)laze, (Que)st. All in one sentence. Kinda like a YRossetta stone. “Wire rows set astone”
      But also consider So Y. ….EYE AM.

        • SeattleSullivan, it took me a while to see the obvious. But what I’m seeing now is that WH is the “lock” and another word is the key. Does that jibe with what you’re thinking?

      • Hi Seattle Sullivan…welcome to the fastest moving treasure hunt in history!!

        I hope you are in it for the long run….because many are….I know I will be.

        As for your general solving technique, are you sure you would classify this process isn’t a cipher of sorts? Does it work for all of the poem, or just a part that you think would hold the “key word”?

        Can you elaborate?

        I ask, because my key word is a word written into the poem, but is within a riddle you have to solve, in order to understand the phrase it sits within, which is actually a hidden clue. This should lead the seeker to find Indulgence.

        As you can see, it has multiple levels of details, if you can figure it out what it is.

        Does this mean the whole poem Is set up this way?…..and we seekers need to solve at least four levels of thinking, before each clue can be solved correctly? That is something I have not thought of until now, but for me, my current general solve does not use this thinking.

        What the key word sort of exposes, is that it actually seems to be word that is also a checks and balances type word structure, that seems to validate the confirmation of the clue’s meaning.

        Does yours do this?

        Cheers, welcome again to the chase, have a thrill or two or three or four…..stay EXTREMELY SAFE in your travels, and most of all…just have some fun living a dream.

        Good luck!

    • Scale is an interesting word. If you ask someone not to post so much you are asking them to scale back a bit when presenting ideas. One can scale a mountain–or weigh different things on a scale. Scales fell off of Paul’s eyes—and there are scales on fish. As mentioned things are drawn to scale–and on a scale of 1 to 10 I would give this post a 4 for originality.

  18. “Listen”
    As in listen to a song….
    Has anybody else sung Mr. Forrest’s Poem to a song?
    I can sing it to “O My Darling Clementine”.
    Please, don’t try this, unless you don’t mind that tune getting stuck in your head for a week or two or maybe a month….
    Anyway, music is not my forte.
    Maybe, I’m imaging things. It would not be the first time with this puzzle.
    Clearly Clueless

  19. Probably everyone has heard this before but I think the word is COLD. Few are in tight focus with a word that is key, Isn’t FF giving us the answer? “Hear me all and listen good, your effort is worth the COLD. We all have our own theories but he says right here that cold is somehow important. Some want to wade out into knee deep rushing water, yeah that’s cold but think about it, flowing water has pretty strong currents and Indulgence isn’t going to last in the same place very long. There are lots of other places that get cold too. Now, to figure out what FF means by cold!

    • Dayton
      VERY GOOD! We have first warm……Than Cold. I’m going to think about that. Also we are High! How High? We go down than up.

      • Cold doesn’t have to deal with temp either. Remember FF said he thought of warm as “comfortable “, well cold can mean uncomfortable or lack of passion or not friendly…etc. Most accept words for there common face value, I don’t think it’s wise to do that here.

  20. I keep confusing quotes from Forrest Fenn with all those quotes from Forrest Gump. I Keep losing my “Key” to my truck as well. You bloggers are making me Craaazzzyyy.

  21. YOU MAY BE RIGHT i hope so but how can there be A KEY WORD THAT DOESN’T MESS WITH THE POEM? a question we should be in tight focus with what do you think? Im looking for every thing that should be there probley wont find it but i think i know what should be there like high water heavy loads pine sage mountains animals a creek and its bank cold is in the equasion if there was one question i could ask as i have not to date it would be wil lthe person know it is from your work Mr Fenn will we know that is your mark the blaze maybe thats should not be asked i think who ever finds the tc will stumble upon his journey with his quest in mind SORRY JUSt me thinking out load again

    • things i think of i have a canoe but i would never put it in the water searching for the tc because i believe MR Fenn
      when he says there will be no paddle up your creek loud was the word i was looking for you walk through the layers of cake to get to the prize.we have to eliminate each possibility i have went through so many i wish i was brave enough to share all of them WITH YOUi wish i could remember them all but i do know its been a lifes journey worth taking

  22. Here is a question for anyone out there to answer. When Mr. Fenn said that the treasure is located at least 8.25 miles north of Santa Fe(I think he used links as his measurement but it turns out to be 8.25 miles) anyway, when he said that or any time after did he specifically say Santa Fe New Mexico? There are Santa Fe’s in Mexico, Texas, and others. If he was throwing this clue out there and he didn’t specify New Mexico, as everyone has assumed since he lives there, then that would open up a lot of new potential territory in New Mexico that no one is looking at. cheers.

    • Yes Tim: he (later) specified Santa Fe, New Mexico. He wasn’t trying to be tricky. I think he was just trying to keep crazy people out of his backyard and his neighbors’ backyards, unfortunately with only limited success.

      • Zap,
        But he did say… “….If you want to **apply those important figures into the thrill of the chase** I will give you an additional clue. The Treasure chest full of gold and precious jewels is more than 66,000 links north of Santa Fe.”

        While it might imply a distance from his home to keep the crazies away [ as said ]… is the idea ~ “those important figures” could be useful for the ‘clues’?
        We are looking for “precisely” on following the clues, right? No one will stumble upon the treasure…
        We do have what appears to be unknown distances… take it in ~ how far? NFBTFTW ~ again how far? From there – to no meek, A distance? How far is the end? how long is a creek? is there a measurement needed for ‘in’ the ‘wood’ reference? Do we need to figure out that HL and WH have a distance between them?

        LOL… there’s a lot of WhatIF’s that could be thought of with that comment.

        • Seeker,

          I just used TarryScant to word search;

          66,000
          Links
          Additional clue
          I will give you

          And none of those searches yielded your above quotes. I’m not challenging the accuracy of your post, but can you please provide a reference?

          Pinatubocharlie

          • Go to “Mountain Walk – Richard Sauners” at the bottom of this page for the full quote and conversation… By the way, Tarry Scant needs to get amovin there are a lot of quotes, interviews, comments, Q&A’s and general fenn statements I can’t find either.

            I’ll give a plug to JCM’s documents in the topic “searcher’s books” at the top right of this page… he worked hard to get a full scale of everything with links, dates, and updates when something new pops up etc.
            LOL about the only other person I know who might have one or two pieces of information would be Loco… But he ain’t sellin.
            I guess he might if the price was right. I hear he’s into collecting 1150 AD. bronze chest.

          • And Loco best not sit on them too much longer…they’re gonna hatch into somethin’ he can’t get rid of….

          • Ken,
            I didn’t know the Mountain Walk site was closed. I haven’t been there in years. But that is where the full conversation took place.
            ~Here’s what I have Pinatubocharlie.

            **Since Richard mentioned the olden days lets harken to 1620 when universal land measures first became law in England and America. As you rode your horse into town you had to pass 80 telephone poles in order to reach a mile because they were 1 chain apart, or 66 feet. And each chain had 100 links, if you wanted to break it down further. Road rights-of-way also were 1 chain wide. And 80 square chains made a square mile, or 640 acres, and that was 1 section of land.

            But if you’d rather count fence posts you had to pass 320 in order to reach a mile because they were a rod apart, or 16.5 feet. And since everyone knew that an acre was 10 square chains (43,560 square feet) it was easy to tell how many acres were in your neighbor’s farm.

            Some aspects of those measures are still in use today in the horse racing business because a furlong is 10 chains in length, or 660 feet. You should feel smarter now because that’s so easy.

            If you want to apply those important figures into the thrill of the chase I will give you an additional clue. The Treasure chest full of gold and precious jewels is more than 66,000 links north of Santa Fe.

            Goofy I believe did the math;
            100 links = 1 chain
            66,000 links = 660 chains (66,000 x 100)
            1 chain = 66 feet
            660 chains = 43560 feet (660 x 66) = 8.25 miles

            Disclaimer; not responsible for accuracy or inaccuracy … these are just note from long ago. But I’d bet they are spot on.

          • Seeker,

            I’ve seen that old discussion of surveying back in the day before but who knows where. Perhaps it was on Jenny’s site. Anyway, what drew my attention was his use of the term “clue”.

            Perhaps he simply misspoke by not using “hint” instead which has been his MO for some time, but I have a feeling there’s something more important and “hidden” within all that info for someone to uncover .

            Nevertheless, thank you for responding.

            Pinatubocharlie

          • Interesting find Seeker.

            Why?

            My first solve, which actually led me to where I am today, utilized thisv “non-chalantly spoken phrase” – when FF first spoke of it…..IMO – “as if important to note”….so I did.

            I applied it to a length of road I was following, and BAM….from one clue to the next one I was looking to match on a map,…and wha-la….I had a match.

            Soooo…IMO….and only such…it seems to apply in some manner.

            BTW – this length of road begins well and far away from SF…but still remains factual in its context….this place is at least 8.5 miles N of SF. Forrest didn’t fudge the truth…but expounded upon it in a most extreme measure…to keep us guessing.

            Cheers.

          • Pinatubocharlie,

            LOL fenn calls everything a clue except ‘hints’ in the book and hints of riches new and old. Not in an outhouse, not in Idaho, Utah, Canada, Nevada, graveyard all clues, right?

            My only point is… there might be some calculating involved. I mean, I hardly doubt fenn waited 3 years ATF to tell us what some hope is the meaning of NFBTFTW… That would be the biggest real clue in my mind if it was remotely true. But personally, I doubt that fenn would give that out 3 years later and not have thought about it over a 20 plus year period, from first thought of the challenge to finalizing the hiding of the chest.

            So, can there be some kinda calculation/calculating [ per the examples fenn gave ] needed to be done to solve the clues?

            Maybe fenn was giving us food for thought in that comment, and others, like: “… there are a few words that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them.”
            Or “… every word was deliberate..”

            Just rambling and rumbling….

          • Hi Seeker…et al…..

            Odd…..I was just thinking about that quote last night, again. I’ve always wondered how it truly applies to the poem…many times I’ve just sat and thought about why FF said this. What exactly is “deliberate” and what relationship to the poem did FF intend when he spoke it.

            “Every word is deliberate…”

            I finally have a reason I can use to totally agree that each word is. I think this statement is true.

            Why?

            A: because when someone writes anything….anything that they want to express….anything they want others to read, listen or see……are all done “deliberately”. This includes the “a’s, the’s, in’s…etc” that are also in the poem “deliberately” placed, because they are words that are needed in grammar and to form some sentences.

            EX. “And take it in the canyon down,”

            “And” = an instruction to the seeker to make an additional action in conjunction with the previous clue (BIWWWH)….meaning that this action should run in parallel with the previous step/action
            “take” = an action to make. In this case, the seeker is doing something physically – walking, driving, flying…some sort of action that moves the seeker
            “it” = a place, a thing? – could be a trail, road, causeway, waterway, river etc., but travelling of sorts seems to be the action
            “in” = a conjuction that leads the seeker into the next word. This is “deliberately” placed in the sentence, in order to make the sentence spoken or read correctly.
            “the” = same as the above, a singular reference to the next word, which usually will be a noun – another “deliberately” selected and needed word, but notice that it is not a noun like other deliberate words
            “canyon” = “deliberately” placed noun within the poem that describes a place similar to or is actually a canyon, something of the like….fiord, pass, ravine, hallow, dry riverbed, etc.
            “down” = specific direction and possible action to take
            “,” = specific direction (IMO – a specific movement by the seeker in a N, S, E, W direction)

            I believe we are seeing Fennology in action. I also believe, Forrest is a man of textual criticism, because it is a main technique that is utilized when writing.

            People want to be sure what they say or speak…and ensure it is to their liking and hopefully expresses what they, “but not.”

            – Could this be a “sorry, not sorry” moment? LOL

            Shoot…the POTUS does it all the time….it is his main way to cause a VAGUE perception to what is involved or what is current, by selecting CHOICE words. We see it all the time – the use of words to mean one thing vaguely, so the listener can extrapolate whatever their mind perceives the words they just heard or read…….hundreds of people thinking differently in what you just said….and form them into their own meaning.

            Sound familiar?

            Shoot….religion does it with gods all the time. People believe their “God” and have truly no idea what that god is, but will allow other people to dictate to them….a certain perception upon them, without researching the religion. They accept what has been said/read at face value and choose to NOT investigate the truth of those words they read and hear.

            Fennology in action IS exactly the same…..to change the perception of others with the words you say or right….”choose wisely”….and you may succeed…….People are deluded in a mindset and cannot awaken to the the truth, so they play right into the GameMaster’s hands, never realizing they are being played.

            Interpretation is perception.

            Perception is Self.

            Self is what one needs in order to understand others, how they write and what they say. This requires a change of thinking….to better understand the way words are written are not always what they mean. Texual criticism.

            LOL…as you Will soon see, if you follow up with what I have stated…..Trump and religion are both great examples of this…..and how people can manipulate others to do what they hear and see.

            Be cautious folks….there are many rabbit holes that you can fall into, if you choose to discard any word. I also believe, it will be a very large rabbit hole for the one who moves from the simplicity of its meaning, to something larger.

            :o)
            Cheers and good luck to all.

          • I think there’s definitely something significant in riding your horse into town past 80 telephone poles in 1620.

            How in the world did the pilgrims know that elevating the lines would yield a clearer signal?

            “As my hat’s blown away somewhere . . .”

          • Hi Lisa.

            That is actually a biography and not an auto-biography.

            It is hearsay, second hand news, and possibly, invalid in many ways.

            Articles written by others are just another perception given, although, maybe you can get FF to comment upon his life as stated by another.

            I would imagine you could come up with some examples, but if approached to FF with them….. he may very well refute and/or correct one or two of the words, in order to change the meaning completely, to make them factual.

            Can you verify everything in the article to be true? IMO – the writer is a seeker as well.

            You may believe what you choose, but I would suggest you believe selectively.

            Good luck and be safe out there!

          • Seeker…et al…..

            To validate my point about the article…..

            “I wrote this blog post to explain how people in the olden days used direction and distance to locate and mark off bits of land on a much larger landscape and not to suggest that we go looking for Forrest Fenn’s treasure with an early visit to the old homestead of Osbourne Russell and his neighbor to the south—Mr. Brown. But, then again, maybe we should. After all, the poem does say, “…take it in the canyon down … put in below the home of Brown.”
            Stay safe,
            r/ ”

            All the comments that follow are also opinions, using FF quotes. I don’t dispute the quotes, I dispute some of the theories that are derived from the quotes through perception.

            They can be entertaining, but also May contain a hidden nugget of truth or two or three. Who knows?

            Still…the end results are still second hand thoughts.

            Cheers and good luck.

          • Tim – I appreciate your insightful perspective. Thank you. But that is Richard Saunier’s Mountain Walk blog link. I thought you were all looking for that. I wanted to find it as well, because that’s where the awesome pictures of the bronze bells and jars are located.

          • Tim ~’That is actually a biography and not an auto-biography.’

            If you are talking about the post on Mountain Walk and the 60,000 links… that post was directly from fenn and not hearsay, second hand news by the owner of the site.

            The comment is as old has the RM’s and even though some may not know about, in full… folks should attempt to find it and decide for themselves if it’s factual or crap.

          • Hi Seeker.

            I was talking about the entire article, not just the quote. Yes there is a quote by FF.

            But the article is of the opinion of “r/”….whomever that signature belongs to.

            The article the link took me too was not by FF, but FF were included.

            Cheers….thanks for letting me explain my thought.

          • Tim and Seeker -So did either of you bother to scroll down to Forrest’s reply comment on Richard Saunier’s blog that I provided?

            Forrwst Fenn on April 17, 2012 at 5:37 am
            Since Richard mentioned the olden days lets harken to 1620 when universal land measures first became law in England and America. As you rode your horse into town you had to pass 80 telephone poles in order to reach a mile because they were 1 chain apart, or 66 feet. And each chain had 100 links, if
            you wanted to break it down further. Road rights-of-way also were 1 chain wide.
            And 80 square chains made a square mile, or 640 acres – and that was 1 section of land.

            But if you’d rather count fence posts you had to pass 320 in order to reach a mile because they were a rod apart, or 16.5 feet. And since everyone knew that an acre was 10 square chains (43,560 square feet) it was easy to tell how many acres were in your neighbor’s farm.

            Some aspects of those measures are still in use today in the horse racing business because a furlong is 10 chains in length, or 660 feet. You should feel smarter now because that’s so easy.

            If you want to apply those important figures into the thrill of the chase I will give you an additional clue. The Treasure chest full of gold and precious jewels is more than 66,000 links north of Santa Fe.

        • Hi Seeker,

          Do you know if it has been posted or if someone has figured it it how many miles is 66,000 links.

          I tried, but got lost in the calculations.

          Has anyone on the blog come up with an answer to this number? It would give us all a radius within the RM – from SF, NM – huh?

          I may have to take another shot at the answer, and we if my location is sitting on the border of this length.

          Hmmmmm…

    • Tim,

      You are right. There are many Santa Fe’s in the RMs and some don’t have anything to do with a city/town name. And in fact, most are more than 8.25 miles north of Santa Fe, NM. However, and even though it’s not in the RMs, I found one in NM very close to the 32nd parallel, aka 32°!

      Having said that, I don’t think Santa Fe is important to the correct solve though I was certainly on that band wagon for while myself but jumped off a long time ago.

      Please remember this important quote. “It’s not what they say on the blogs that may be significant, it’s what they whisper.” just substitute “Forrest” for “they”. IMO there’s a bull horn “whispering” to us in the quote/surveying info Seeker provided earlier.

      And while I am thinking about it and even though some here don’t believe in SB hints, IMO be very leary when Mr. F posts a verbose SB as I think a big hint lies within those words. Our job is to listen intently (much better than I did in school I might add) for that whisper and then apply it correctly.

      That’s my 2 cents.

      Ciao………..Pinatubocharlie

  23. One other thing I have wondered about but hard to clarify, when he has said many people have been within 200 or 500 feet of the treasure, did he specifically mean people who were searching for the treasure?

    • Tim, excellent question. I don’t think FF specifically meant
      that it was searchers who have been within 200 or 500 feet
      of the treasure (chest). I have been urging folks to not underestimate FF. And by the way, when he says “treasure”, he may not be referring only to the chest and/or its contents.

    • Not that hard to clarify – it’s easily found at tarryscant.com (if you want to verify and/or find other instances, and/or check out the ‘500 feet’ comments).

      “Some searchers have been within 200 feet.”

      “. . . people send me e-mails and they tell me exactly where they are. . . . They were searching but they didn’t know they were within 200 feet.”

      Jake

      • Hi, Jake,

        RE: “. . . people send me e-mails and they tell me exactly where they are. . . . They were searching but they didn’t know they were within 200 feet.”

        What about this…. If we look at the above quote closely, could it not describe the following scenario?

        A searcher spends the morning looking for the treasure at the south end of Colter Bay in WY. Lunchtime approaches. Searcher decides to drive 20 miles away from his/her search site to eat lunch, sits down and emails FF…”Hi, Forrest. Just want to let you know how much fun I’m having looking for the treasure. Decided to take a break and have a buffalo burger at the Mangy Moose Restaurant & Saloon in Jackson, WY. Thanks for the challenge!” Searcher finishes the burger and returns to their original site. See,…the searcher tells Forrest “exactly” where they are eating lunch, not knowing they’re sitting 200 – 500 feet from the treasure. If I were a searcher who did anything that resembles the above scenario, I’d get my butt back to the location from which I emailed Forrest and start a 200 – 500- foot radius search.Wouldn’t you?

        PS: I’ve never been to the Mangy Moose – so not an advertisement or endorsement. Lastly, if this helps anyone find the treasure, I’d like at least one gold coin as a reminder of the exciting / fun / enlightening 3 BOTG adventures I’ve had while experiencing TTOTC. Thanks!

        • How would this searcher even know that Fenn read their email…or was even referring to them when he made the ATF? Your point about their whereabouts is solid.thanks for putting that out there.

          • Hi, Jake,
            The searcher would not know if Forrest read the email unless FF acknowledged it, but …how many people have emailed their “exact” location while out on a search? I’m guessing not too many. But, some for sure. I’d definitely go back to the exact location I emailed my exact location to FF while out on a search, whether I knew he read it or not. They know who they are. I think the “location” may be some kind of hub i.e. an airport , car rental place, bookstore, restaurant, coffee shop, monument, etc…somewhere where a number of searchers have stopped during their search, or to / from their search. Just trying to think out of the box re: where FF may have slipped up by giving out TMI that has nothing to do with the clues. Thanks for listening 🙂

  24. Something that’s bothered me for quite awhile is this phrase: “are in tight focus with a word.” Why not, “only a few are tightly focused on a keyword.” Right? I mean, if you’re going to use “tight focus” at all… It just screams HINT at me, not for the content as much as for the phrasing.

    • Lady V,
      Yeah, this comment has been a thorn in my mind, as well. Nowadays, I tend to think Forrest’s “a few are in tight focus with a word that is key” comment is aimed more at a concept versus absolute definitions of words.

      Just another opinion.
      Joe.

      • If you consider “a word that is key” to mean
        “key word” or “keyword”:
        a keyword is a word or phrase associated with an internet document so that when somone uses a search engine to look for something, and enters that keyword, the search results include that document. I did a search for “key word” and found a scientific article which actually listed the associated keywords.
        (one of the keywords was “key word”)
        Some were single words, others were 2-word phrases. In other words, a keyword could consist of 1, 2, or 3 (or more) words from the poem typed into a search bar. The resulting search results could contain a hint concerning to the poem’s WWWH.

        • Bob, Have you brought us another water-water(s) type debate? I’m still cockeyed (see the eye & the key?) from that debate,
          I just cannot do a search of 1, 2, or 3 (or more) words to look for a hint to the poem’s WWWH. I’m tired and weak (no comma). Gimmy your hint. Thanks, OS2

          • Google “treasures secret riches”., This gives you Isaiah 45:3. The clue is not in the verse, it is in the whole book of Isaiah, which mentions “Mount Zion” many many times. Mount Zion is next to Lookout Mountain by Golden Colorado. On the mountain side is a 100-foot letter “M” which is lit up (blazes) with LED lights. The closest warm springs are at Idaho Falls. Going down the canyon from there puts you back below Mt. Zion. The “M” was laid out by Walt Brown, Class of 1910 at CSM. Weird enough ?

          • Thank you Bob. I’m back from the dog park now, will take a nap, start dinner, check the news, & start on Isaiah & Zion. Thats a whole foreign country to me. Well, maybe I’ll wait, Amazon just left a new package for me… Lewis & Clark I think. Thank you, and thanks to all the folk who have kicked cagey to the curb & are now naming names. OS2.

        • …nicely worded Bob.

          You have added one validation to my theory that the key word exists in the poem, but is within one of the riddles (“group of words/”phrase”).

          Thanks….I’ll consider this one CUP of confidence added to my volume.

          *smiles brightly*

          ;o)

  25. Using the imagination; perhaps the keyword has to do with the final area and the searchers in tight focus are under the lens?

    If so, I’m thinkin’ they are GLaD! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  26. “Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.” f

    All of this is IMO, there is an important word in the poem but it doesn’t unlock the poem to be solved. In fact, the poem is unsolvable because it’s not meant to be solved. The poem is only a box that holds the clues that are to be solved. The word that is key is a word in the poem that helps determine the geographical location of the first clue, BIWWWH…ATIITCD. All one clue.
    (Stay in the box)

    From there you follow the directions to the next clue, NFBTFTW. The only problem here is that this statement is so vague that no one could ever come up with the correct distant. That’s why I think Forrest answered it for us in the preface of TFTW book.

    The overall poem is not a riddle, but it may contain one or two in the stanzas. The answerers to them may help you to identify the geographical location of their relevant clue.

    How does one follow the clues precisely? Each clue must follow the last and make sense to the poem instructions. Step by step until the last geographical place. (Most of the places the clues refer to were there when he was a kid.) Most, means some of them were not there, some must have been built or created since he was a kid. What could it/they be in your quest? Think, but stay in the box. IMO. Good luck to all.

    • ManOwar ~’The word that is key is a word in the poem that helps determine the geographical location of the first clue, BIWWWH…ATIITCD. All one clue.’
      (Stay in the box)

      If that is all one clue, assuming the first clue… then the second clue would be NFBTFTW? And if so, that would have been solved, right? IF not.. and only a distances to clue two, then hoB being a clue would have to be clues two, right? A solved clue!
      So, if prior searcher solved hoB as a possible clue two, of the first two solved, deciphered, indicated, figured out clues… what would you call the next two clues of the first four that fenn indicated some may have solved?

      • Seeker,….Yes, they solved the first two clues but didn’t know it. They ended up at the HOB but didn’t know it or recognize it as such. You must first identify what and where the HOB is before you can put in below it. That’s the trick here. Even if you were to Identify WWWH and the HOB, where below the HOB do you put in? That’s where they go wrong, not able to identify FTINPFTM. But some may have solved it ATF of the TFTW book, then Fenn indicated they may have. I guess one could look at it this way:

        Clue 1: BIWWWH, (a place) ATIITCD
        Clue 2: NFBTFTW (the physical distant traveled, that stretch is a geographical place)
        Clue 3: is the HOB. (a place)
        Clue 4: is put in below the HOB. (a place)
        or,
        Clue 1: BIWWWH, ATIITCD, NFBTFTW (a place)
        Clue 2: HOB (a place)
        Clue 3. Put in below the HOB (a place)
        Clue 4: FTINPFTM (a place )

        In either case you first must discern HOB before putting in below it. I think you will agree with that statement. And as it goes, you cannot get there (HOB) w/o first getting the right WWWH.

        I hope this helps you or someone on there quest.

        • I’m following your thought process… but truly wondering IF hoB was deciphered [per fenn’s knowledge that searchers stated something he was confirmed with] Then the problem seems much harder than just deciphering a clue references. I mean, that is a lot of information all of stanza two and close to stanza three references…

          The first folks on location had to be there for a good reason, more than likely WWWH is their solve… then to have the second clue solved as hoB and still have all the [ for lack of a better term ] needed conditions [information] to ‘be at’ hoB..?
          Something is very puzzling to say the least.

          To be that far into the poem and not recognize those clues and the remaining clues…. LOL What do these clues references look like???
          I guess the most puzzling question for me would be; what could possibly get searchers to those two clues, with the correct references of any to clues, and not know, well anything… I have a hard time that the searchers didn’t have a good handle on the first clue to at least get them there.

          This is where I agree with Goofy and some others… you have to be on site to observe the clues. Because just deciphering a reference of what a clue is, doesn’t seem to be working as we all thought.

          Anyways, I do follow your thoughts [ both thoughts ] But apparently, we are definitely missing that “important possibly” for winning the solve.

    • Hi ManOWar….nah…IMO – I’ll stay on the outside of the box.

      BTW – without YOU moving out of the box….or within the box, how did you get into the box? How do you get out?

      How can you see the area you are standing in and behind you while in the box?

      With me being outside the box, I can see ALL of the box in one motion of the mind. It seems your view is obstructed, as you cannot see certain angles.

      Don’t you find that a bit odd?

      Good luck.

      • Hi Tim (ZR),…

        I think you are mistaking my outside of the box comment… It’s in reference to the poem as being the box and the clues are within it. So when I say stay in the box it means stick with the poem because the only real clues are within it (the box).

        Don’t go out looking for clues outside of it. Yes, you can look outside of it for hints that will help you with the clues. Also, ideas and thoughts that relate to the clues. Definations of words and their synonyms from the poem, and of course maps that are related to the search area are good research material. It doesn’t mean to restrict your thinking or imagination.

        • MoW…Phewwww!

          I thought I was going to have to go into the box to pull you out….*winks*….I was having a panic attack.

          :o)
          Breathe Tim….breathe…..

          Aaaawwwww….better….

          Don’t to that!!

          :-o)
          Just funning with ya….i didn’t include “the poem is the box”…in my thoughts….because in order to see the entire poem, one cannot reside only upon the poem….like you figured.

          Cheers mate….good luck and thanks for the response.

          No harm no foul.

          *hug*

          :o)

  27. When Forrest finished the “Thrill Book” it was certain that the poem was in its final form, those final “tweaks” were in and he certainly knew that the only Bookstore that would be allowed by him to offer his Memoirs would be “Collected Works”, he could have stated that on page 9, but he did not, he said Borders Books, why?

    So few people are in tight focus with that possible “Hint” it seems so obvious, it, in fact hides in plain sight.

    What is it about a General Solve that may have evolved but no one has been within a few steps? Could it be because the 200/500 feet could be an elevation in relation to the TC as one passes nearby traveling from one place to another but never realizing that they were so close.

    How would an Architect be describing and using the 3 dimensional description in poetic lines? Words? Borders? Perhaps we are over thinking it, or were terms ff used like Rods, Canasta, and emphasizing the true dimension and importance of understanding fully WWWH. Or is there a WW1 and on another dimension a WW 2? WWWH?

    TT

  28. Seeker & MOW… After thinking about it a bit, I can see the whole sentence as 1 clue.. Meandering waters warmed by the sun reach a cliff edge & drop down in a single tall waterfall or steep rapid multi-falls. The warmth halts because the drop is North facing or shaded. To get to the pool area, one must walk back from the edge of the cliff to the car & take the road until the elevation levels out and one can switch back and go to the pool at the lower level. From there go to Hob.
    Was that obvious to everybody & I’m just slow?

      • JDA aren’t you the original (or at least longest consistent) proponent of ‘9 sentences = 9 clues’? Are your sentences each a ‘whole’ clue, or are clues embedded in the sentence? Maybe a mixed bag? OS2

  29. JDA aren’t you the original (or at least longest consistent) proponent of ‘9 sentences = 9 clues’? Are your sentences each a ‘whole’ clue, or are clues embedded in the sentence? Maybe a mixed bag? OS2

  30. Maybe Marvel gaze is key. If at parking place. Its tarry scant- less than one hour to get up slight difficult walk not flat but up hill. then marvel gaze. – top peak area
    with nice views. besides nature even stars at night. wonderful sight.

    I wonder about a double meaning like 2 Blazes . Where the treasure
    is at the second one. If your wise That is. both look quickly down your quest to cease. park car and hidden treasure. I think it is covered with something that makes it hidden. probable the most difficult part is finding that. Still something that is done in one afternoon in 2 trips.
    5 Hours probably. knowing where he wanted to put it before he started.
    up to the peak area and then follow it to the spot.

  31. Seeker,…. Here is a possible reason the first searchers were in the right place (wwwh) and hoB ,but didn’t understand or know that they were there.

    They, like all searchers, think they have the correct place wwwh. So they go there looking for further clues. Well let me explain it this way:

    Just for the sake of understanding lets say that wwwh is a geyser named Halter and it’s a certain distant (10 miles) north of the hoB (a large area named ColorDen within the town of Cody). And, somewhere below that is where you put in, as the poem says.

    Okay, the first searcher(s) who discovered that Halter geyser is wwwh, at least they think it is, They see that it’s in a canyon so they follow it down, but they don’t know how far to go to the hoB (before TFTW). They even may have pass thru the HoB and not know it, but really they did pass up the hoB. So they walk (just a figure of speech) or pass/drive on pass theTC by not knowing that they were at the hoB at some point during their trip. Then they gave up even with the correct wwwh, they didn’t know they had the correct wwwh or that they passed by the hoB.
    So now, after gettting home they email Forrest and tell him where they’ve been :

    “Hi Forrest,
    We love your book and think your treasure story is wonderful. We just returned from our trip ect., ect…..We think we’ve solved wwwh at Halter Gesyer and we went down the canyon and drove for about 10 miles and stopped to eat in ColorDen, an area within the town of Cody, then continued on to look for the hoB with no luck. We had a great time looking for the TC. Thanks”

    So you see the searchers had the correct wwwh and were at the hoB at some point and didn’t understand where they were. Now, the idea that got them there was Halter Gesyer, but in the end didn’t really know that Halter Gesyer is the correct wwwh.

    You won’t know for sure if any of your solved clues are correct until you have found the treasure. But, if you have told Forrest your solves he could say with certainty if you have the correct solve or not, but he’s not going to tell you and so you won’t know it. Ofcourse no one will know if they are right. That’s why Forrest can say that they had the first 2, 3, or 4 or more clues solved but don’t know it or they don’t know where they are in relation to the real hidey spot.

    So forget what he says about searchers solving any clues. It means nothing to us only to him. We can only imagine that we are on the right track. That’s the thrill of the chase. The thrill is the possibility that we could solve the clues and find the TC. Once, if your lucky enough, you find the TC then the thrill of the chase is over. However, you’ll be much richer. lol

    • Your scenario is good… But I recall, Cynthia, I believe saying Fenn might have stated… Searcher’s didn’t give up, they left the poem…
      If she sees this I hope she can shed some light on when it / if was said.
      If that be the case… Maybe they simply went too far walking by everything… Even within 500′ of everything.

      I’ve looked for the comment myself, but this far came up empty.

      • When I said they gave up it was only a suggestion. Well then, maybe they went on and drove by the hidey area by chance and stopped to take a look at a beautiful view and took a walk and passed the TC by 200 ft. Still not knowing or following the clues. But they went on to tell Forrest where they stopped for that view and that’s how he would know that they were within 200 ft. Same thing with any of the searchers. He would know but not them. It’s no secret that no one knows until they find the TC.

        I don’t think his comment of “left the poem” or ” gave up” will change the outcome that they or some other searchers passed by the TC within 200Ft. It doesn’t matter, as I suggested that only Fenn benefits from the knowlege of where the searchers have been because he not telling them how close they were. Now lets take the next step and find a good possible wwwh. lol. Start at the beginning for the next umpteen time. Ha, ha.

        • I think, IF the question posed to fenn was; why he thought searchers quit and his response was, they didn’t, they the left the poem [ IF that comment can be verified ] would be significant as far as, a possible distance might be understood for the clues / size of the area.

          It might help with understanding how far two trips in one afternoon works for us as the same… if you can’t walk several hours [twice] to your solve then don’t go.
          It also might help with understanding we are to follow the clues and fenn did so as well [ no shortcuts, no alternate routes, etc.]

          It also might help with understanding why searcher all walked by the clues and the chest and never knew, or figured out later clues because of a distance between the clue might be much smaller than we realize, or a / the clue[s} are not as large as we might think they are…

          The point is… IF the statement was actual… it would help in “thoughts” of what a search area size might be. I don’t think searchers just happen by a location and told fenn where they were looking at a view, is a plausible scenario… Those folks [ or at least most of them ] told fenn their “process” and what they thought their solves were… in search mode.

          “It’s not a matter of trying. It’s a matter of thinking. I mean sure, people [ searchers ] figured the first couple of clues and unfortunately walked past the treasure chest”………SFpodcast.

          Did they just leave [quit]? or did they leave the parameter of the poem?

          The comment, if verifiable… might help with all the guess work of NFBTFTW, or Do ‘we’ go into a canyon? or How far if “from there” to the “end”? Is, or HL&WH even farther away or possibly closer?

          I say help and not so much a solution, because it appears that the searcher who deciphered the clues and other searchers in the same location didn’t recognized something… was that something, the actual size of the clue’s location is my point. And not 10 miles or more distance, or the need for a vehicle to travel clues etc………

          • Seeker
            In your last paragraph, are you saying deciphered the first 2 clues or all the clues. Did Forrest say the searchers solved only the first two clues and put them 200 or 500 feet away?
            Remember I am new to the chase and trying to find prior comments require lots of time. I’m going cross eyed.

          • seeker I remember at one time I gave you my opinion of what was wwwh and all I got back was talking about wwwh im not trying to tell you what to do but you quit you did not go any further – you didn’t go in the canyon to heavy loads hob you didn’t help your self that’s why you are still asking the same questions though its my opinion you should try it you might find something that will help you

          • I’m not saying anything… I thinking out loud.
            It would “seem to me” [ quotes for emphasis ] that if searchers who were at and deciphered the first two clues are likely yo be some of the folks who were close, and yes possibility within 500 or 200 feet.

            Because you’re new, as you say, I can only say.. don’t listen to me or anyone else as fact related commenting. You are going to need to read and figure for yourself. lol there are no shortcuts.
            Plus, do you really think anyone here knows a dang thing? We’re all in the same boat, just some think their in the captains chair, but in reality it’s only a fishing chair.

          • frank,
            I don’t recall the conversation…. I may have not seen your response.

            But it doesn’t matter to me what folks think wwh refers to as much is how they got to that conclusion.
            It really doesn’t matter where they think wwh is, and more to how they got that clue to that location.

            Blurting out, for example; I think wwwh is 32 degrees or two merging rivers or a glacier etc, is fun to chat about the possibilities… but how do you get there, other than guessing.

            That is what I would like to talk about… not what or where, but how do we find the correct reference. Everything else is coffee-shop chatter.

          • blazer – there have been 2 or so different comments from FF about ‘searchers’ being within some distance of the chest and ‘walked by’ or ‘did not know’. Regarding the clues he said something to the effect that some had figured out the first 2 clues, and later something about they ‘may’ have figured up to 4 clues. The point is that he ‘knows’ people have been close, as they told him something about where they had been, these comments were as far back as 2013 I believe (so no it wasn’t you). Try the tarryscant ‘quote’ site, go to the bottom of any of the blog pages on the left side, links to other sites, tarryscant you can type in key word searches and see what quotes pop up, not everything is there, but they have a lot of quotes/interviews/email responses, can speed the search process.

          • Seeker and Tbub
            I agree, I think I saw a couple interviews with FF and he gave info and what clues they had found and what they walked by and he said they needed to have looked more at clue number ? 1 ? i think? It seems like he gave some kind of detail?
            Does anyone know where or which interviews talk about this?

        • Above some of you said “searchers” have been within 200/500 ft of the treasure. I think F said some “people” [not searchers} have been within 200/500 ft of the treasures.

          It could very well be that people in general and searchers have been that close. Let’s say a road or trail might be as close as 200 ft to the treasure. F after all knows the area and knows how close the treasure is to a trail or road.

          I can cancel a trail as F said I believe not near a trail. That leaves a road that anyone could drive by. When I say road, it is a dirt road. The road could be used on occasion and not well traveled.

          Driving right by the treasure could cause people to leave the poem as in the poems general area of where the treasure is hidden.

          My fingers have a tendency to move while I’m thinking of my mental notes.

          I stand by the “blaze” as the key word.

          • CharlieM;

            You say, “I can cancel a trail as F said I believe not near a trail.” Here is the quote, you misquoted:

            “If you ain’t the lead dog, the scenery never changes. When I am in the mountains or in the desert, the last place I want to be is on a trail. Ain’t no adventure in that for me. There isn’t a human trail in very close proximaty (sic) to where I hid the treasure”.

            To me, “Very close Proximaty (sic)” is NOT “NEAR”. I would not be so quick to eliminate a trail if I were you. – Just my way of lookin’ at the poem – JDA

          • CharlieM – I agree. Trail 207 out Cabin Creek passes right next to my final Double Omega Island blaze, which is almost exactly 500 feet from my hidey spot. Lots of people, including Fall bow hunters, have been there. Only those who thought it was worth the cold to cross the creek there, and then head up the hill brave and in the wood style, would have been within 200 feet of where I think the treasure lies..Which could very well have been the location of Blackfeet Indian teepee also.

          • JDA,

            I was referring to “There isn’t a human trail in very close proximity (sic) to where I hid the treasure”. I remembered this and not quoting.

            To me, not in close proximity means there are no trails. It is all interpretation. Why does there have to be a trail? I most certainly can go into a lot of areas in the RMs and not have trails for several miles, and only a couple of roads in the area. This holds very true in my area.

            Just saying, 🙂

          • Charlie – After I said “misquoted” I realized that you had said “believe”, and NO quotation marks – sorry.

            As you say, we each interpret what Forrest says – seen from our own perspective. Who am I to say that my interpretation is any better (or worse) than yours?

            Good luck to Ya’ JDA

  32. I mentioned this a while ago on a different thread but never considered that it could be a word that is key…

    “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, look quickly down your quest to cease”

    I’m not 100% sure that if you find the blaze, the chest will be right there below it. Look quickly down may be directional… and I don’t mean down.

    To look quickly is a glance. What if you have to glance down from the blaze to the place to marvel gaze?

    This is sort of how it works in my general solve. Maybe I’m giving too much away but I figured I’d throw it out there that maybe “glance” is the word that is key.

    All this is speculation… IMO… etc….

    TimM

    • Hey there TimM,

      If my key word were glance, then I for sure would be looking in and around Leadville, CO.

      pinatubocharlie

      • Mr. Tim-

        IMO Glance is important not as the key word but as it relates to Galena. Galena is what they were hauling out of there. Galena is the “heavy loads” part of the riddle. Another factoid which I think is a coincidence, is the elevation of Leadville…..10,200′

        Best regards;

        • Galena = glance which is why I suggested Leadville in the first place.

          10,200’ elevation is interesting, but I’d be focusing my attention on another more important factoid.

          Pinatubocharlie

        • Bear lake at the base of galena mountain in Leadville has the most beautiful and colorful trout I’ve ever seen, with sharp clean edges on their patterns. Galena is one of my favorite minerals. With a nice sample in the right light you can see amazing blues and turquoise and hints of the rest of the spectrum. Colorful Colorado. g

    • “worth the cold” has reference to the “Cold Desert” (Dinosaur National Park) and also “Mitten Park”, which is inside Dinosaur Park just below Echo Campground…. IMO

        • I’d be happy to get in on that. I’m a raft guide and have been thru that whole area multiple times over the last 20 yrs. I know your HOB very well, but what is the WWWH?

          • Hi Mark,
            Sorry for the delay in responding, I’m an east coast searcher. I’d be happy to talk to you.
            You can ask Dal for my email too. Maybe we can get a team together and find this thing.

        • Eaglesabound, Leki
          Not sure of your timing, but I might be there next July or August. I’ll be wearing a green or tan shirt and a wide-rim brown hat. I chase alone so don’t need anyone’s email address.
          Chase well…Stay safe…

    • E.C. definitely had the most interesting ideas the blog has ever entertained. I was sad when he got nuked. Been kinda dull ever since.

      • I don’t know that he got nuked. I think I remember him saying he didn’t like all the arguing, IE from me with Faulker and Zap, so he was going to leave. Maybe I am not remembering that correctly.

        EC Waters is one of the guys whoe comes up with a great idea to get the car started but then floors it right past everything else.

        And, of course, we now have the phrase EC Watersing to refer to the process of applying clues to anything and everything.

        EC reminds me of the guy that taught me to handicap horses. Kurt knew what to do and how to teach it. I followed his teachings and made money at the OTB and track-side. Kurt ALWAYS lost money because he didn’t follow his own advice. It wasn’t enough to take the wins where you could predict them, the gambler needed to risk more and it ruined him. Kurt lost his uncle’s restaurant, an institution in Wicker Park for decades.

        • E.C. was (is) an interesting guy, but his Chase ideas were a bit cra-cra. The whole Colorado amusement park idea was perhaps his nadir.

          • Yes, I know, but great ideas in there still. All of the spice stuff, the poker reference, peel paddle bell, lots of great stuff. He just over investigated, well, everything.

          • Thanks for the link, Lug. EC was well read, apparently, thus he had great volumes of knowledge and saw clues in everything for that reason. As many of us on here know, you see enough words, you start to see patterns & themes & numbers, oh my! Patterns & themes & numbers, oh my! Patterns &…

        • Golden Retrievers and I coined “EC Watersing” with his permission when we posted our treadure hunting adventure on this blog. My understanding is he was nuked shortly thereafter. Haven’t seen comments from him for a long tine on MW…I don’t follow CC. He was hilarious.

          • @Sandy, EC wasn’t nuked that I know of, he just went crazy and had to check out but we all know you can never leave! I’ll email him see if he is lurking around still! IMO, when F said, ‘get back in the box’, he was talking to EC!

          • Tbh, I haven’t followed this blog for a while. Nice to see it’s pared a bit, including me since I’m batsh** cra.

            Hopefully in the coming months I’ll be able to finish a thought-inspiring website using some fun tech with the site concept based on SB62.

  33. I am thinking more and more that the whatchamacallit has not been buried, but is hidden. This thingamajig is fairly easy to hide. Searchers should not allow themselves to be discombobulated with all the rigamorole that seems to come with this adventure.

    The doohickey has been out there for 7 years now–a gizmo that is truly difficult to locate. Someone is going to find that whatsis, and I think it might be soon.

  34. Oh, one other thing when thinking of words. I was in New York for the Macy’s day parade. I was sitting on a 5th floor balcony eating a large plate of Fettucine Alfredo. I stood up and with one movement I changed the spelling of a word.

    As I cast the plate of pasta over the balcony, onto the crowd below, I realized that my dish had now become Confetticini Alfredo. I wanted to share that because it was a real eye-opener.

    • how come nobody is talking about the “tight focus” part of the comment? whats that all about? forget trying to figure out which word is the key one. who has a close-up photo of a any word in the poem? i do.

      • Dodo Bird. I haven’t spoken about it though I am one that has focused on the “tight focus”in that part of the statement. I tend to see all his words as an elucidate for other words. Easily dismisssive is this by being out of focus. IMO .

        • LOL, too funny.
          So what you’re saying is.. you’re still not talking about it…
          Ha! I guess will have to wait to hear it from your reincarnated self.
          My bad, I couldn’t resist…

          • Seeker. Sometimes you do hit a good funny cord lol. I don’t reincarnate ,I just incarnate haha.

            So, I will elucidate on what I mean then, as a question. What word in the poem would be a handshake essence with “tight focus”?

          • “Me” ? Really? That’s interesting. Not what I am in tight focus of for a relative essence. How about ” tight focus” as ” marvel gaze”? 2 for 2 of words? No?

  35. The quote is “… a word that is key”. The use of “a” instead of “the” implies that there two or more words that are key. Forrest seems to be telling us that we are overlooking the significance of, or are not considering a possible meaning of, a word that would open a path toward the solution.

    • If you are going by the thought of a word or words are “key”, defined as essential, then doesn’t it say the word is “that”?
      A word “that” is key. Since you are saying there is or are words which are “key”, doesn’t that line answer that? Then,, using “a” instead of “the” would still imply one word. “That”.
      I don’t see the word “that” opening up the path, poem, clues, hints, or much of anything.
      Just saying “a word that is key”, and referring to some key words or word, and not using the whole comment as stated, only leaves one answer that is answered in the line. You need to find if he is talking about searchers being in tight focus or if he’s stating “clues” are in tight focus. Then, you need to find out if that tight focus is with a “key” or some magical word. Then, you need to find out that if he is referring to a “key” which is in tight focus, what the key is. Then, you can state whether the “key” is one word or many words that are in tight focus with either searchers thoughts or clues.
      I still don’t understand how some cannot see that the key is Forrest Fenn, but I guess guessing is now the new norm…Some magical word that will help solve this whole thing, lol, amazing…

        • Yes he did, all you need to do is read it. What is not so understandable? It’s “key” or “that”, straight forward, exactly what the comment says. Any different is force fitting a solve. Any magical word is a guess. There is an ATF comment out there I don’t have right now that is also proof the key is Forrest Fenn. Along with his comment in the book. Between “that” or “key”, it is “key” he is referring to. What is so concise about the statement that makes you think there is another answer? Unless you are putting your own definition to words and guessing, which would make it not concise, and give the idea of a word that will solve all, there is only one way to read this statement. Exactly how it is written. The only word that is key is “key”. Replace that word with any other word in the statement, what then would you think the “word” is? A word that is lake, a word that is mountain, a word that is car. Why the difference then? Maybe because most are defining “key” with there own definition and not reading the statement correctly. If he said a word that is lake, would everyone still be guessing on what some magical word is, or would they think that the clues or searchers are in tight focus with a lake? If he said a word that is Tom, why would someone be guessing blaze, wood, water, shadow, creek, etc…etc…etc…
          I think I am reading it correctly, but who really listens when someone is right? So does it matter? Let the guessing continue…

    • In my solution there are multiple words in the poem that are important keywords, but three of them are keys. The first word that is a key takes you to clue 5.

  36. Little Indian Girl
    I see you made short comments a few times and have said you know all the 9 clues.
    Being you are new to the blog. How did you come about learning all the clues?
    You seem to know all the key words? Was your solve given to you from another person of trust and do you know Forrest Fenns line of thinking by learning who the man is?

    • 1trailblazer
      I don’t know all 9 clues. I know the first 5 clues and the framework for the next 3 clues. In my solution the next 3 clues have multiple solutions and I can’t see passing them without BOTG. The biggest struggle I have is with the last clue ‘brave and in the wood ‘. Would the last line of the poem contain clue information?

      • 1trailblazer, I think you should keep following all three possibilities. Then You’ll have more info when You do get BOTG. Who knows what You might find sooner than later, so don’t stop there. Good Luck

  37. Mark and Eaglesbound
    I would be very careful about trust and asking anyone to partner up with you. Remember that Forrest Fenn said, and I don’t know the exact quote but something like two people can trust each other only when one is dead. I trusted someone with our solve to join our search and have figured out that this person his wanting to be the lead dog after we told him our solve. He was supposed
    to join us and then couldn’t make our first BOTG search and now he will be searching or solve area with his crew. Just a friendly reminder, don’t team up and trust nobody. Greed is at it’s worst when it comes to treasures.

    • Thanks 1traiblazer.
      I believe Forrest said, “two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead”.
      That being said, you’re right about the greed part. Such a shame it is too. I like to think people can be trusted.

  38. A ‘few’ the rest are trying to hard! IMO! Keep it simple folks….the word is in the first few stanzas because no one at that point in time had figured out more than the first few clues….based on emails or communication with F….IMO….Search Season of 2013, any searcher/newbie after ’13 isn’t who he is speaking about….

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