Unlock …

DECEMBER 2017

by JAMES

 

“Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.” ff

“… a word that is (KEY)” That’s the quote! …

… Not the phrase, “A key word”, “The key word” or “That key word”.

If you don’t understand the logical thinking process of something so simple, then IMHO, you will never understand Mr. Fenn or find the TC called Indulgence.

I’m a part of this blog and I know that Dal has that page called “The Key Word” and that it’s a very popular and a controversial topic… But maybe Dal should re-name those pages (simply because it’s wrong) or possibly start another correct one. I truly understand that some will blast me for this story. I’m not worried about that.

Disclaimer or Claimer

( I’m just having a little fun with Dal here so y’all ease up… he knows it’s his blog and he can do what he wants. I’m also aware of that. )

This is written for discussion purposes… maybe a little enlightenment, maybe not that I’m RIGHT. I have an opinion and a guess just like everyone else. But who knows if this is right or wrong except Mr. Fenn. Maybe just maybe he will have a comment back or make another Scrapbook post with a subliminal message (again).

Let’s get to “IT”. (No!… this it is NOT the “it” in the poem just to clarify)

What’s one of the first Intriguing words you ever read when you get started on TTOTC?

UNLOCK

Yep,  he tells us what we should be looking for (right off the get go). I personally have missed this simple fact until now, yesterday… November 27, 2017…  and I’ve been a part of this blog and chase from 2013 doing constant research and analyzing of TTOTC.

So what are we suppose to unlock? Mr. Fenn uses a definition of a word to describe the action of another definition of the same word.  He tells us to “unlock the clues in the book”… but it’s deeper than that. To “Un”-lock the lock on something that has a lock but is not locked? And what do we have in this chase that has a lock? The TC Indulgence. This seems backwards at the least. To unlock a lock that is already unlocked. That’s why he says to unlock “the clues”.  And the reason the box isn’t locked? Maybe you can guess but IMHO he’s solved that issue when he concealed Indulgence in her location.

Now let’s look at the lock mechanism. There’s a latch that you have to lift to get to the key hole to insert the key to unlock the box (if it was locked).  However we see the box, with the lid down or with the lid up, we know that “it’s unlocked and that the key is inside the box”. Mr. Fenn has told us so. Here’s another question to think about. Why would he tell us that?

But he instructs us to somehow unlock the clues. With a key, right? Keys maybe? Have we heard this before? In my piece called [Camouflage] I wrote, “Some of us understand that Forrest is very subtle and can sneak a clue right in front of your face by having a very generic conversation with you, as he did with Dal in one of his San Lazaro interviews. (If you can figure that one out… Then you’ll be a step ahead of the game and other _______ hints may come into focus for you. One has to remember that Forrest makes you believe one thing while he tells you another.” Let me explain these comments a little more.

During the San Lazaro – 02 video in the “Gone Fishing Interviews” page on the blog, Dal is interviewing Mr. Fenn at his home in a room with a gazillion items on the walls, shelves, counters and in the neatly lined drawers. He has all these things he could talk about but at one point he (Mr. Fenn) pulls a drawer out and starts talking about the old keys that are there in the drawer. There are 5 keys. FIVE “keys”. Hmmm 🤔 He talks so nonchalantly about it that the words seem to just flow by and the interview continues. Hey says, “But the interesting thing are theses 5 Keys… If I can find 5 Keys our there why can’t I find a wooden chest?”

Pay very close attention to what he says Pedro does with the chest.

The blank by the way in my statement previously is for the word “Key”, just to clarify.

Let’s move back to the lock on the TC. In the photos that are provided in TTOTC, the TC lid is up and we see CE5 written under the latch portion on the lid. Let’s remember now that there is at least one other  picture of the TC open that does NOT have this script (CE5) in that location. So when did this CE5 get written or applied to the chest? And what is the true reason why it was done? Some (maybe Mr. Fenn) say it’s a “Code for accounting purposes”. Well that could be true with the right interpretation policy in place. But I will state here as fact that he hasn’t shown us anything else that has such a code written on it. Not Minerva, not the Reliquary, not the Falcon, not any other artifact Mr. Fenn has put forward. Plus, there are numerous versions of reasonings out there as to this question also. I’m not saying it’s not a true fact… what I’m saying is there’s another reason. Something can have more than one purpose.  I want to say that Mr. Fenn is suggesting we look for 5 keys as described by CE.

If I told you now what I believe CE5 stands for 100 %, then I would be surely giving away the largest hint I have as to the true location of the TC (again IMHO). Interesting and Challenging enough is the fact that there are over 25,000 + words in the standard dictionaries that start with the letter “C” alone. I have my guess on what the 5 key unlocking clues are. They are spread individually throughout TTOTC book. Can you find them like I have?

Have fun on yall’s winter study and in the CHASE.

James (TZP) –

 

 

131 thoughts on “Unlock …

    • Dal;

      “Key words” that Forrest looks for in emails, to determine if they might have some content he is interested in, to me, is a lot different than the quote that I think most of us are focusing on, “”It is interesting to know that a great number of people are out there searching. Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key. The treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated.” f Who knows – JDA

    • Thanks Dal. I was aware of that.

      The reason for smokes for keywords is the scan quickly and see if anybody is coming close to solving his thrill. The reason we should search for keywords is to solve the Chase faster.

    • the missing pieces where do we go from here we must start at the beginning but we cant mess with the poem its a cake eat each layer what can you see or hear that no one else does not sure what i just said maybe you do i know i dont

  1. Interesting scenario James…
    I remember watching that interview and my spine tingled a bit when I listened about “Pedro”. I commented(vaguely) not too long ago to something…with that concept mixed in. Definitely something to chew on over the winter.

  2. Intresting, I thought ff discounted the ce5, but maybe that’s what he would just do. Maybe, but yes, thanks, something to chew on until the cold abates:)

  3. **** James suggests – “He [ff] tells us to “unlock the clues in the book”” ****

    He does? I put in some time looking, but just can’t find it. Since it’s in quotes, can you help me out and point me to the source?

    thanks!
    Jake

    • Inside cover of “The Thrill of the Chase,” in part, ‘ “Unlock the clues that are scattered among these pages and you can go home with a bronze chest that is so full of gold and precious jewelry that it’s almost too heavy for one person to carry,” Forrest said that if he were younger he’d go back and get it himself.’

      • Thanks for the assist, pdenver – I appreciate it!

        (Wish I’d known 4 years ago that clues were scattered among those pages, though . . . back to square 1) 😉

    • Interesting that you mention that as I just watched a video where on of the searches noticed that only one of the drawings in TTOTC had a signature. Within that drawing turned upside down it looks to say Taos and Forrest looked a little disappointed that it was found.

  4. James, I feel like a jerk debunking part of your thrill in the Chase, but maybe it’ll help you out a bit. When looking through archived versions of the Old Santa Fe Trading Co web site awhile back, I came across a “YE5” code in reference to another item he had for sale. Since it follows the same pattern, it does seem likely that the “CE5” on the chest is part of an accounting system. This page was cached in 2007, the YE5 is next to the sale price:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20070328225843/http://www.oldsantafetradingco.com:80/store/store.htm

    • Do not feel like a jerk Jeremy P. Thanks for the input I was unaware of that. However, my CE5 scenario fits my concept of my Chase and therefore I’m sticking with it. There’s nothing in the YE5 story or situation that debunks anything I have considered. Like I said in my story there’s always two reasons or more for everything

      I have mine… everybody else has their’s.

    • I seem to recall 23kachinas mentioning Forrest’s codes for pricing and how it might work. I think something she bought or saw for sale had the same type of code on it, and that Forrest hinted that he did have a secret code for pricing items in his gallery. Maybe she can expound on that— unless my memory is just severely failing me.

  5. If you really listen, he’s only stating a fact. He’s not saying that the few who are in tight focus of a word…that is key…are any closer than those who aren’t.

    However, if you’re really using logic here you probably want to be careful not to overlook the part about being in “tight focus with a word”. A single word.

    • Ryan, Is Dr a word? Sure its a very common word. But at no point have I said CE5 was a word did I ?

      Finish reading what I wrote and which word has over 25,000 +

  6. Hi James- thanks for sharing

    Is what you’re saying,summarized, that you believe CE describes 5 clues in the book that collectively solved then unlock all nine clues in the poem? Or CE describes 5 clues in the book that individually/independently unlock 5 clues in the poem and there’s 4 left? Or that CE describes five clues in the book outside of the 9 in the poem that independently lead to the treasure?

    I’m not knocking the idea at all, just trying to understand what youre getting at here and my brain is so tired tonight it may as well be in the car with a bag of fritos, so I could use a little help.

  7. Jonesy. What I’m saying is CE describes 5 clues in the book that collectively when solved then unlock the secret to where the TC is. Straight up. Take it as you take it but that’s all I can revel.

    Ok I will say that the rest of the clues in the poem and in the book CONFIRM the location.

  8. I said… “If I told you now what I believe CE5 stands for 100 %, then I would be surely giving away the largest hint I have as to the true location of the TC (again IMHO)”

  9. In the art business, knowing how much is paid for a piece and when it was purchased wholesale is important to the seller. If it sits for 5 years, the seller is more willing to reduce the price. So the letters and numbers that make up the “CE5” (and/or YE5 found elsewhere) represent both a wholesale cost and year purchased.

    There were a number of common systems that were used to represent the 10 numeric digits with easy to remember alphabetic (word / words) codes. Small businesses and galleries would use these codes.

    Both CE5 and YE5 are codes that reflect the price and year of purchase.

    IMO

  10. I just don’t see the ” tight focus with a word that is key ” as meaning a unlocking nor locking technique. Water is key for hydration, as an example. I just see his use of the word ‘key’ as meaning ‘important’. IMO .

    • The word UNLOCK in his sentence… (why use that word?)

      Mr. Fenn could have used a dozen or more words there in the sentence “_________ the clues that are scattered… “ to get the same point across.

      IMHO… if he didn’t use that particular word then we wouldn’t know what to look for. This is all of you understand it the way I do. If not then you don’t and that’s fine.

      I’m still living in my direction. Thanks for your input.

      • Well , for sure we will connect what he says to different ideas and relate them as pointing to different things he says over the years. For me, in this instance, the quote above that PDenver supplied , he says about clues in the book. Another time he said hints are sprinkled in the book, if I remember correctly.

        I am talkIng about the poem with the 9 cues that lead to the chest. I don’t believe there is a word ,in the metaphoric sense , that is a key that unlocks a locked poem cypher type of thing. I perceive the word that is key , is more of the representation of the word more so than the word of itself. Everything is a word- which means all words mean something , is something and becometh a word.

        I think FF pointed at such a word as being “imagination” with its meaning as an act, action and process .

        So, then I apply this manner of thought ,to the poem. I then can see him being imaginative , practical and tangible. Imagination is priceless when applied to practical and tangible.

        It’s all about the poem for me and not the books.

        Just my opinion.

        Cheers!

  11. James,
    You said: “One has to remember that Forrest makes you believe one thing while he tells you another”

    That sounds like subterfuge to me James. Hasn’t Fenn said there is none?

    You said: “What I’m saying is CE describes 5 clues in the book that collectively when solved then unlock the secret to where the TC is. ”
    So are this 5 clues outside of the poem (but in the book)? Because we all know that “all you need is the poem” and the book only contains hints that help with the clues and only the poem clues will lead you to the chest. Right? Did you hear all this differently?

    What am I missing?

    • I might as well place gasoline on the fire…
      Fenn did make a comment about the CE5 as use for inventory.
      There is also second hand information [ in this case, I believe the poster to be honest from her e-mail… ya’ll can judge for yourselves ]. It goes as followed;

      From: ffenn@earthlink.net
      To: azuredeb@hotmail.com
      Subject: RE: ce5
      Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 11:39:03 -0600
      Deb,
      The CE5 cannot help you in any way. It is only my cost code to tell me what I gave for the chest. That information is on the blogs somewhere. You have an inquiring mind. f

      Do what ya will with it….

      • Seeker. I understand where you’re coming from. Let me ask you and demonstrate this and you answer ok?

        I will draw a line “A” and call it a trail and then put an X on it. Calling the X the TC. Now if I said, “ the treasure chest isn’t in close proximity to line A. What am I saying?

          • If you said “the treasure chest isn’t in close proximity to line A.” in your scenario above, you are stating that the treasure chest is in fact on line “A”.

            One would then have to counter-argue that it is in fact at the closest proximity to Line A because it is on Line A, so the logic seems illogical.

            “Why do I sound like I’m talking in circles?”f

    • Colokid. Yes all you need is in the poem. The poem will get you to the TC spot. IMHO I have figured that out too… but it was with the help of the CE5 unlock that got me to that point.

      He’s using both. Does that make sense ?

      • James,
        Sorry….Not to me. Seems like you’re so far outside of all F’s rules, suggestions, ATF’s, and boundary conditions that the ‘box’ isn’t even in sight.

        • By the way Colokid… what exactly are Mr. Fenn’s Rules, Suggestions, ATFs, etc etc. list it out big boy.

          There are none. I certainly don’t believe he made such a list.

          • James,
            You’ve been around long enough to know how this works. You come on here with a sketchy hypothesis then the ball is in your court to convince us you’ve got something. You don’t come on here not expecting a dissection.

            Any student of the Chase could trot out a laundry list a mile long of Fenn quotes that punch holes in your theory. I’m not going to bore everyone with that list when Seeker did it with just one quote.

            To recap: “The CE5 cannot help you in any way. It is only my cost code to tell me what I gave for the chest….f”

            You tried to dodge Seeker with a non-answer. If you can’t straight up square this statement with your theory, you’ve got nothing…IMO.

            You said: “The poem will get you to the TC spot. IMHO I have figured that out too…”
            If you have poem figured out, as you claim, go get the chest….don’t get all butt hurt.

          • Colokid… nice… “get all butt hurt”… what a guy you must be. Dissection yes. Plain ol rudeness NO.

            You need to learn to comprehend The English language a bit maybe you missed what I said… “I’m not saying it’s not a true fact… (what f said about the CE5 being an accounting code)… what I’m saying is there’s another reason” but now we know you don’t understand the concept of words having multiple meaning. Got a dictionary? There’s a LOT.

            Let’s start with an easy one for you. The word “As” … and Go…

            Or maybe ASS would fit better.

            Anyway… have a good night and laugh along with all of us.

          • James,
            Sorry you are taking this so personally. You’ve made some claims and I am only pointing out a few things that I think are discrepancies. I’m allowed to state my opinion right?

            Likewise, you are certainly welcome to believe whatever you want but don’t expect everybody to agree with you.

            Just remember it’s Forrest saying, “The CE5 cannot help you in any way. ” Not me.

          • So Colokid… you believe under NO circumstance that Mr. Fenn uses opposite?

            Just asking.

          • James,
            “No circumstances” is a bit broad. In general, I do not subscribe to most of the talk about ‘mirror’ and ‘opposite’ meanings based on a lack of evidence. To me, (meaning this is my opinion), this device is often employed when people are grasping at some method to justify and rationalize their guesses (although there are notable exceptions). If a searcher wants to take one statement as straightforward and the next as meaning the opposite, that’s arbitrary in my book.

            So in the context of what you presented, I respectfully suggest that viewing the phrase:”The CE5 cannot help you in any way.” as meaning exactly the opposite, would be silly…IMO. Where’s the justification for choosing this statement to be backward?

            For the record, Fenn also said:
            “The CE5 phrase on the treasure chest is of no value to searchers”
            http://dalneitzel.com/2014/09/22/the-nine-clues-8/#comment-53358

            I can’t stop you from believing that’s an ‘opposite’ too, however, it would make your case immensely stronger if you could give us a well reasoned/ logical justification.

          • So Colokid… “(Although there are notable exceptions)” means what such as? Who defined that?

            If you mean there are exceptions to mirrors and opposites then who set that criteria??? If so then you believe there is a “gray area” and a possibility of such.

            It isn’t fair, to any, to say “you’re wrong about your thinking opposite but it’s excepted elsewhere”. Is that what you’re saying?

            With your statement “No exceptions is a bit broad.. There’s either no exception or there are exceptions.Period. You can’t have both can you? and you statement (In general)…” Actually infers that you do believe in that some gray areas can be applied.

            Am I understanding that correctly? Just trying to clarify what exactly you mean.

          • James,
            OK let me explain (my feelings) on opposites again.

            I don’t discount the ‘possibility’ of just about anything. If someone can present a clear and logical case that something Fenn said could be presented as a ‘mirror’ or ‘opposite meaning, I will consider it. It’s case by case for ME.

            But, and this is just my opinion, you have failed to present a convincing case. For example, you choose to accept the “Unlock the clues…” statement at face value (when this has only been said 1 time in the book jacket) over the dozens of times he has stated there are only hints in the book and the clues are in the poem. Why value something said once over things said dozens of times? That’s arbitrary, to me.

            Next you loosely associate the term ‘unlock’ with the chest (has a lock but is unlocked) to come up with a need to think opposite? Did I get that right? Hard to say from your presentation. Again, very arbitrary in my book.

            If you want to sell me on something I need real logic and reason….not 2+2=15. Just how I see it…you are free to believe whatever.

            Think i’ve answered all your questions as best I can.

          • James,
            I’m flattered that you value my opinion so much that you keep asking questions. OK let me explain (my feelings) on opposites again.

            I don’t discount the ‘possibility’ of just about anything. If someone can present a clear and logical case that something could be presented as a ‘mirror’ or ‘opposite meaning, I will consider it. It’s case by case for ME. Others have succeeded in this.

            But, and this is just my opinion, you have failed to present a convincing case. For example, you choose to accept the “Unlock the clues…” statement at face value (when this has only been said 1 time in the book jacket) over the dozens of times he has stated there are only hints in the book and the clues we need are in the poem. Why value something said once over things said dozens of times? That’s foolish and arbitrary, to me.

            Next, you loosely associate the term ‘unlock’ with the chest (has a lock but is unlocked) to come up with a need to think opposite? Did I get that right? Hard to say from your presentation. Again, very arbitrary in my book.

            If you want to sell me on something I need real logic and reason….not 2+2=15. Just how I see it…you are free to believe whatever.

            But let’s cut right to the chase.
            Here: http://dalneitzel.com/2015/11/12/the-nine-clues-34/#comment-111401

            You said:”Back to the Tom and his brother comment from Forrest… Goofy provided the link above. In reading the whole thing again this popped in my head. “The CE5 phrase on the treasure chest is of no value to searchers. ff ” I take this another way. “… Is of NO value…” Actually means “… Is of ALL value…”

            Say what? This is a total disconnect. And then you went on to try and convince Dal, Goofy, and others that this was a valid point. No one was buying it then and I seriously doubt anyone is really buying it now. You’ve been obsessed with this idea for years and there is no credible basis. You haven’t provided a link, a quote or any statement other than ‘IMHO’ that would give us a reason to consider it.

            I’ll repeat: Fenn has provided two clear, unambiguous comments stating that CE5 is of no value to searches. You’ve got no way to refute that. You can think opposites, CE5= clues, all you want…it’s not convincing anyone else.

            You whined to someone else on this thread that we are being too hard on you cause this is all just your opinion. If that’s the case, just say you don’t really believe it either and let’s move on. Call it a whimsical editorial and be done. Problem is, you keep trying to get me to buy in and that’s not happening buddy.

            Think i’ve answered all your questions as best I can. Good luck.

          • Colokid.. why make your comments and then make them again with a bunch of “slams” in there like “you’re whining…”

            You just let everyone know what you’re all about. You could have left well enough alone but you chose different. Not I.

            Quit nitpicking and move on… I accept your critique. It’s your opinion vs mine. I’m ok with that.

            One day maybe I will buy you a beer. It’s ok buddy… we know you now.

            Bold of you to go digging back. You must be bored out of your mind.

            Like I said before… some give good critiques and some give negative critiques…

            If you or anyone else ask a question I try to answer the way I feel I can explain it the best in my opinion … that’s what this is all about right?

            Maybe you should come up with your own recent ideas and post it/them.

            Give everyone a better understanding of what your mind comes up with.

      • Okay James, good thinking, but have to go with the kid. Let’s take the poem out of the equation then. With the book, can we possibly solve, no poem? It sounds like you are saying yes. An easy way to answer this would be to ask f. Can we find the chest with just the book, without the poem?
        That leads to the ATF comment of hints in the text of the book. Shouldn’t he have said “clues” in the text? He even says to follow the poem precisely, how do we do that without the poem?
        If you have found something you believe viable, then run with it, the critiques are just to help you figure that out. If it changes your mind, you’ll be better for it. If not, then research the hell out of your idea, because none of us truly know. I think your energy should be more towards the solving of the poem, it’s the tell all. If this unlock key thing is solid, we won’t know until you are rubbing our faces in it. I wish you the best, but take into account some of the challenges you face with this solve. Good luck.

        • first off Charlie… you can’t take the poem out of the equation… it’s in the book… and I never said Discard or don’t ever use the poem, did I? My focus is equal in all aspects of the book and the poem. in this story I’m really just talking about the word UNLOCK and what I think I found. everyone wants to start other discussions but not many have focused on the word “UNLOCK”.. which I knew most would because most people read into what they interpret instead of what is written.

          btw… Critics are critics because they want to be… either you can critique good or bad.
          thanks for your opinion.

  12. So the difference between a key and clue is a key unlocks a clue? Like in…. what did I eat if I ate at Zaxby’s…clue eat….key Zaxby’s answer chicken that’s all they sell. Not going to crack it open unless you find the special word

    • Pieces you’re making me hungry.

      Did I say a key unlocks a clue? Fenn used the words “Unlock the clues”… not me. I’m just stating what I believe how he wants us to do it IIMHO.

  13. Hey, James, Thanks for sharing your ideas. While I doubt the significance of the CE5 helping ME, so what if you use it to help YOU solve the poem. I dislike the solves by people who see images on GE, too… but when it comes down to it, what difference does it make what method we use if it ultimately takes a searcher to Fenn’s treasure chest? I truly believe that one of these days one of us is going to find it! And along the same line about “a word that is key”, on ChaseChat a couple years ago, a fellow commented that when he emailed ff and said he knew the combination to unlock the clues in the poem, Fenn replied to him in an email, “You don’t need a combination. You need a key.” Go for it!

  14. remember, a key is something that turns. that is not an opinion.

    if that is what f meant by a word that is key- i do not know. and i do not pretend to.

  15. I don’t want to tell what I think the whole meaning of CE5 means but I will say that I believe the 5 stand for the 5th stage. IMO
    -B

  16. James, it took guts to post what you hypothesized as a possible key to unlock or enlighten a search for out Holy Grail, and I applaud you for doing so. If it is any consequence, when I wrote Winter Thoughts I kinda feel your pain…I too had to let critics rain on my parade, but much like water off a ducks back I am resilient, and plan to open myself up to a second barrage of fodder.

    I think it may be that when hints are considered in their reference to find them in the Thrill Book or a word that is key to focus on, it could be much more important to understand SPRINKLED in the stories, especially on page 9, Important Literature.

    Why is it IMPORTANT to remember that it was raining when he went to the Borders?

    According to most I haven’t a clue, not even looking in the right state.

    So I will just start at the border and head North, I know it is there..somewhere.

    TT

    • The problem TT is; There’s a difference between a critic [criticizing] and critiquing [evaluate] information posted by a searcher . Some don’t like either, or know the difference… so ya have to ask… why bother posting if all anyone wants is a pat on the back? I would think by discussing the ATF that everyone waits for, almost on a daily basis, those ATF comments would be utilized in any discussion as helpful.

      No one is ‘raining on anyone’s parade’ But, if you choose to dismiss those after the fact comments, or change them and twist them into a pretzel, or as some enjoy using the excuse fenn only tells 85% of the truth [which fenn also made a comment on]… the parade is certainly going to be rained out.
      Personally, I want those “critic” as you call them to dissect my comments, idea, thoughts and theories… or other wise it a complete waste of my time if I don’t get food for thought from others involved… It keeps me on my toes. Especially when they can make a good argument using fenn’s ATF comments.

        • James,
          Maybe a better word for fenn’s ‘rules’ idea would be, to meet/satisfy fenn’s criterion; a standard by which something might be judge or decided.

          Colokid stated; ‘Sorry….Not to me. Seems like you’re so far outside of all F’s rules, suggestions, ATF’s, and boundary conditions that the ‘box’ isn’t even in sight.’
          After you asked him; ‘He’s using both. Does that make sense ?’

          You seem to deem this as rude with your response; ‘Wow. Nice.
          Race is still on and I’m guessing you in last place like me and 30,000 others huh.
          Or are you better ?

          Are you going to be hypocritical to say “Or are you better” wasn’t a dig in the ribs because someone disagreed with your theory… even if they’re firmly disagreeing? Then use the excuse … when “they make rude comments.”

          As Colokid stated prior; ‘You’ve been around long enough to know how this works… ‘
          Isn’t the whole point of posting, is for feed back -?- whether you like what you hear or not?
          And as Colokid pointed out… I posted a comment, and you did an end run on that comment. You may not like the term “end run” but that is simply my vernacular. I post to you and others the same way I’d be chatting with you at any coffee shop.

          Ain’t ya bein a bit smuggin callin the kettle black here?

          OK, with that off my chest… I’ll chat with you about any concept you like… I’m not going to change my vocal or articulate differently at this stage just to appease other’s who are overly sensitive.
          But seriously, if all your looking for is others who only agree with you and not the “critics” The world wide web… even on a personal blog opened to the public… might not be the right venue of pursuit. But that is just my way of thinking, I’m sure you and others have your own ways as well….. Bucking heads is part of the discussion at times, and that is all it is…

          So, I am curious of what you think about fenn’s e-mail to Deb [ I’ll add, that ‘I think’ Deb actually shown a picture of her phone for verification of the e-mail at the time, almost 4 years ago ].
          But seeing it involves your thread/post/theory… does it not give you pause, or at the very least, make a rebuttal to it?

          • Sorry for the multiple post on this comment but it keeps jumping to other thread.

            So Colokid… you believe under NO circumstance that Mr. Fenn uses opposite?

            Just asking.

          • seeker, I didn’t mean it as a end run… I wanted you to possibly think of it a different way. I can’t post a pic on here so I was trying to verbalize the line scenario… what that means is not a play game situation as yall want to say… ff said paraphrasing,”what is a close proximity…” the X isn’t in “close proximity” to a (human) trail [as ff quote goes]…. if the X is [on] the line then the TC is “AT” or “ON” the trail. That’s all.

            as far as fen’s email. I believe he talks in opposites sometimes. He also says he reserves the right to be wrong…
            and
            has said that he believe he owes you an answer simple because you have asked a question and that doesn’t necessarily mean he will give you what you want (or something like that) its out there I just don’t know where that statement is.

            so NO it does not give me pause..

            but that doesn’t mean something else might not

          • James,
            “as far as fen’s email. I believe he talks in opposites sometimes.”

            Very curious what your criteria is for deciding what’s ‘opposite’ and what you accept face value?

            My full answer to your opposite question is up thread if you haven’t found it yet.

            Respectfully, Colokid

    • Tom Terrific

      Did you watch the video of the Q and A after the new book signing. Fenn personally slammed the folks that think there is any meaning in the fact that he said it was raining when he was sat borders. He said he didn’t know if it was raining. In it be words it’s just a story he want to tell, but not for the reason you think.

      Did you watch the video?
      Do yiubthink he’s lying?
      Why would he do that?
      Why would he give a hint and then rescind it?

      lugnutz

  17. James wrote: “If I told you now what I believe CE5 stands for 100 %, then I would be surely giving away the largest hint I have as to the true location of the TC (again IMHO). … I have my guess on what the 5 key unlocking clues are. They are spread individually throughout TTOTC book. Can you find them like I have?”
    —————————————————————————————————-
    Hi James … Your approach is interesting, but I personally am not convinced. Your paragraph above comes across to me as confirmation bias.

    Sounds like you have given up on Forrest’s stated 9 clues in the poem, and instead are grasping at straws to come up with some word or phrase that will help you out. The “CE5” is your magic bullet.

    On the other hand, I can appreciate searcher frustration between “clue”, “hint”, and now “key”. You seem to use those terms interchangeably. But there are no “unlocking clues” in TTOTC (You said there are 5; why 5?; why not 8 or 2?). There are a few “hints” in TTOTC and that’s all. All of the “clues” are in the poem. And searchers don’t even need the “hints” to “unlock” the poem’s 9 “clues”. That this confusing verbiage has caused a lot of confusion, I’m not surprised. So I empathize with your frustration.

    If you wish to pursue the “CE5” angle, that’s your business. But I personally will try to interpret the 9 “clues”, and not even bother with the “hints” in TTOTC. I have my own idea about “key word” or whatever the current phrase is. But I’m not going to obsess over it.

    Ken (in Texas) 🙂

    • Ken, I’m not the one who is interchanging clues for hints. Forrest writes “unlock the clues that are scattered throughout the pages…” not me. He has said both. He writes clues and says hints. I’m just going along as both are the same (because I choose to) and I haven’t given up on the 9 clues in the poem either. IMHO I have 6 of them firm and they put me the same location as the CE5 does so I’m not ready to let that go either. I don’t want others “who might” want to chance my chase there.

      Thanks for your honesty and good luck.

      • James – Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It is always good to get information and perspective, and, as others have written, run with YOUR idea. I have run with some ideas that are out there and it has led to enlightenment in other areas.

        How you get to the TC is not as important as getting to the TC. 🙂

        As to your comment above regarding “Forrest writes ‘unlock the…’ ” I will have to respectfully disagree. The writing on the inside cover of TTOTC book is by an unknown (to me, anyway, as he/she is not referenced as far as I can tell) third party and this person is quoting someone as saying “Unlock the clues that are…”, which you are assuming is a quote from Forrest himself. It could just as likely be from someone who read the book.

        I will concede that maybe FF is referring to himself in the 3rd person and wrote passages on the inside covers, but such would mean he would not have had to place the unlock statement in quotes if in fact it was something he said.

        IMO, and again, thanks for sharing.

        • thanks Bowmarc. I did email Dal and he said he was NOT sure… however one could speculate that he wrote or he might have edited what was written or gave direction to the writing on the inside book flap cover.

          Thanks for realizing this is all an opinion as others have COMPLETELY missed that fact

          be to you in your CHASE

  18. James:

    I’ll play along. Am I even in the ballpark of your thinking?

    Cancer – page 141 – the C stands “alone”.

    Can and ; canned – ie pages 4 and 47, know, understand ; be fired; ann for Candy Ann , alone between c & e.

    Central Junior High – page 22, and the letters “Cent” stand alone inside the circle; CE in central.

    clue – page 48 ; c and e are alone separated by lu.

    Or shall I go back to the drawing board?

    • Rob Johnson.. It’s you board to draw on.

      If I told you to go back then “Some” people on here will blast me for thinking I know it all. I don’t. I’m guessing just like others have. “Some” people on here either choose to or just plain ignore that I put several time “IMHO” on my statements. That’s simply what they are.

      But let’s get back to your question. I will say you moving around the “board” in the right way.

      Thanks again. Q: Longhorn or Aggie?… TCU doesn’t count. Haha

      • I suppose College Station, but I’ll have to think about that oll or olleg. And Forrest felt left “out” so he just ‘checked’ “in”, page 69. In? Out? Left? Nigh?

        Maybe I have to build my own board game.

        Anyways, some is better than none.

  19. James…though I do not believe the CE5 relates to the solving of Fenn’s poem, I do( as I mentioned above) believe ALL info about the man can be helpful in some way. Dal’s early interviews posted here are a great way to “feel” Fenn as he talks about various things. It gives insight to how his mind talks.
    I’ll chime in and say that even though searchers may feel/think/interpret what Fenn says, as sometimes “opposite”….I clearly have to state, that IS entirely the searchers choice. What he says/means in regards to the poem will not be known definitively until the correct solve is presented.
    To argue one way or the other is merely a tool to possibly dissecting the right decision. Nothing more. Good luck to you…

    • Ken, I agree all searchers have a choice to believe or pursue this chase as they choose. and I agree that thinking like Mr. Fenn is important as well. he makes me think on different levels and I’m grateful to him for that.

      Again, I was going with the word UNLOCK… you know the story (TITLE) why use it (that particular word)??? then I just ran with a scenario and came to a conclusion.

      If everyone reads what I wrote… “Maybe not that I’m right.” and I have used IMHO several times too.

      People drag out what they want I guess. (Some) started analyzing every nit picking thing except the UNLOCK scenario…

      I have NEVER said “This is all fact and I’m definitely right!”

      just want to clarify this all here and now… Its a scenario, that’s it. people have challenged me to think a different way and I’m challenging then and others.

      GEEZ to the people who refuse to understand that.

      • Hey James…I get it. Your scenario has merit in general terms. IE: Thinking about “unlock”.
        I have spent some time, in fact many hours trying to fit that word into a scenario that fits the vague guidelines Fenn has proposed. My “theory” on that word(unlock) is still in limbo, but not too far back in the ooze.
        Keep thinking is my motto….

  20. All,

    Looking for some various feedback on “the blaze”. I “know” this (based on scouring the interviews/forums, etc.:
    °The blaze is a single object – “In a word, yes” (FF. Might be phrased a little different)

    Now “blaze” can refer to several things… Knowing a bit about cryptography, etc. I feel confident that Fenn is in fact referring to a marker of some sort. I have researched countless other treasures (none too famous and mostly pirates and confederates) with cryptic symbols being a common denominator in marking/guiding to the location.
    Why? – Blaze is typically a trail marker of some sort, carved/painted/etched. In using this definition, blazes are typically associated with trees and when used in a cryptographic way will be a marking or symbol that only those who know it is a blaze will see it as one and only those who know the meaning will interpret it correctly – this last part I find less important in our case as Fenn has already indicated that it is directly below the “blaze” (the way I interpret)…

    So my question is this – Does anyone else out there believe that Fenn has told us what the “blaze” is within the poem? He has said multiple times that “everything you need is in the poem” (Paraphrased), so wouldn’t that mean that he’s indicated what the “blaze” is prior to mentioning that there is one?!

    This is really the only part I feel completely stumped on – not to say I don’t have some suspicions, but I haven’t had that “this is it” feeling in regard to the “blaze” specifically.

    – Dude From IN

      • James,

        F tells us there is a blaze, but he doesn’t say what the blaze. “If you are wise….” to me one has to be smart to find the blaze. Yes, he does tell us that it is below the HoB. The blaze strongly represents something in his life that is of great importance to him. IMO. What is the one thing that had the most affect on him in his life?

        • Charlie—

          I don’t mean to be nit-picky, but the actual quote is “If you’ve BEEN wise and found the blaze”, not “If you ARE wise…”. Later in the poem it says “If you ARE brave and in the wood”.

          This could actually be very important, so it’s good to make sure we are quoting the poem correctly.

          • This goes to show my mind is moving faster than the fingers. I didn’t intent to miss quote.

  21. Great thoughts in this thread:

    I believe the word UNLOCK is is totally relevant, but it is not the word all by itself. There is another word which is key that unlocks the mystery of how to solve the poem and find the treasure. The concept is excellent. The word UNLOCK describes what happens when you use the “word that is key”.

    One single word does all this, and only a period of time will prove me wrong or right. Let’s unlock this whole riddle, shall we?

    Franklin

  22. Don said this above:

    °The blaze is a single object – “In a word, yes” (FF. Might be phrased a little different)

    Now “blaze” can refer to several things… Knowing a bit about cryptography, etc. I feel confident that Fenn is in fact referring to a marker of some sort. I have researched countless other treasures (none too famous and mostly pirates and confederates) with cryptic symbols being a common denominator in marking/guiding to the location.
    Why? – Blaze is typically a trail marker of some sort, carved/painted/etched. In using this definition, blazes are typically associated with trees and when used in a cryptographic way will be a marking or symbol that only those who know it is a blaze will see it as one and only those who know the meaning will interpret it correctly – this last part I find less important in our case as Fenn has already indicated that it is directly below the “blaze” (the way I interpret)…

    On the evening of the Release of “Once Upon a While” at the CW Books store I was the first one to ask a question from the floor, so I asked this question directed at Forrest: Forrest, a lot has been said about the “Blaze” in your poem, and how we must be wise to find it, so my question is, is the Blaze a living thing”? ff was not allowed to answer my question, and Shilo and Preston put the full court press on and stole the microphone.

    The reason I asked the question is similar to Don’s analogy, if in fact the Blaze is Tree or millions of trees then I could be onto a very wise determination in my solve, because there is truly a billion golden leaves covering the Rockies like fleece, only blazing for a short time in a spectacular display in late September. Aspen Groves are perhaps the oldest living organism on the planet, so many places at 10,000′ where most people would not even believe the show unless they see with their own eyes, it is absolutely blazing and on fire.

    If the place I am searching is correct, all of them are below my spot, another words you look quickly down and see the blaze, and it is my special place even if it is not ff’s.

    TT

    • Tom—-
      I just wanted to say that I watched the video filled at the bookstore and truly don’t think your question was shut down or avoided. I think what happened is that this was a book release and they wanted questions about the book itself rather than the treasure hunt.

      In fact, Shiloh asks Forrest later “do you want to take treasure hunt questions now or stick to questions about the book release (paraphrasing– not an exact quote)?” So your question about the blaze wasn’t “hushed”, but avoided, to keep the question/answer session from becoming solely about the search.

      I could be wrong, but that’s how I interpreted it. All the best to you.

      • Thanks Sparrow, I feel if the question were asked on Mysterious Writing, Jennys site by someone else he might answer it, because Mr Terrific could be correct and a non answer or avoid leaves a very large void in my humble Opinion.

        The collections of books and thoughts are a peek into the mind of a very savvy person, but his best defense to keep his Indiana Jones persona is to answer me.

        Why don’t you ask if the blaze is a living thing, or is it a display or mark on a living think…..trees maybe?

        TT

        • Tom—

          That might be an excellent question to ask Forrest over at Mysterious Writings as you said. I think he would most likely address it–in a way that really wouldn’t answer your question though. lol.

  23. PS an Aspen Grove is actually one organism, a single tree, all of the stalks/rhizomes are the on the same root system, a single plant with many shoots/stalks. They may be up to 10000 years old and survive forest fires without suffering loss. Now who’s name is forrest fire?

    TT

    • No need to… just need to pay attention to myself.

      “If you don’t believe in yourself… what good are you to yourself?” If I paid attention to everyone else I would have a thousand different ways of looking at this CHASE… Then I would be wasting my time IMHO. I’ve been on the same location from the get go and haven’t changed yet. Nothing has led me to another location and everything takes me to the same area of a mountain range… “That’s my story, so I’m sticking to it!” as the song goes.

    • Not sure to whom you are addressing your comment Kira.

      So I will answer in general terms. For me, “The word that is key” brings together a number of critical elements. Bringing together these critical elements provides continuity to several of the puzzle pieces. I can now see how all of the puzzle pieces can and will all come together to create a beautiful picture, but no, the last piece of the puzzle is still on the table. It will take a couple of more moves before the final piece is put in place – JDA

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