109 thoughts on “The Key Word…

  1. ps. I’m not near as savy as most of you are, at solving verbages that are not crystal clear,
    so i will leave this to more expertise.

  2. I see. Just play along. At least everyone here has a highly developed moral compass. I knew these people had kind hearts. Thank God for such trustworthy friends and family.

  3. I think the key word is related to this other quote from Forrest Fenn: “What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.” And this: “It seems logical to me that a deep thinking treasure searcher could use logic to determine an important clue to the location of the treasure.” He also said somewhere that you can’t ignore any of the nouns (I can’t find the quote right now though).

    • Best I can determine the that ff comment (so often quoted) “What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve” is almost 3-years old.” IMO he would no longer make that claim.

      The older the quotes get, the less value they (may) have and the odds increase that the bracelet it going home.

    • OnTheChase,

      The first quote you mentioned has me pondering many thoughts. But I have always found it interesting that there is very little talk about the prior question in Jenny’s six questions with Forrest Fenn. Jenny’s question # 3 involved question # 2.

      I don’t think there are “new clues” or “hints” in fenn’s other writings… but a connection still the same. The TOTC is nothing more than a SB itself… a dairy… a log book… events book [ of the past ]. A correlation between them [all of fenn’s writings about the chase ] that could be pickup by a attentive reader [ but, they confuse me more with information overload ].
      I do think that there is information in fenn’s other writings that actually help eliminate areas or wild notions… the obvious is Canada is no longer in the running for the ‘location’ of the chest. I would like to chat more about these two comments and those questions 2 & 3 if anyone is willing…
      I agree those two comments seem to relate to the word that is key. For me, the word fenn might relate to isn’t a magical key to unlock the universe of the poem. But a word that explains something of importance and is needed to understand… like the last jigsaw piece to make the full picture completely… even though we might have most of the piece already, this piece shows what is not shown.

      However that piece might fall in the beginning, middle, or end of the puzzle…

      • Seeker;
        I have a long post over at “Odds and Ends” that I think is a direct response to your two posts over here – Take a look. I would be interested in your comments – JDA

      • Seeker – “I would like to chat more about these two comments and those questions 2 & 3…”

        If you get the ball rolling by specifying what the comments and questions are, I’ll chat with you.

  4. I was just over in the first “Architecture of the Poem” thread reminiscing about Goofy’s assessment. It’s a good “read” on the man. It is interesting to see how the times have changed…and most of early premises have been obliterated beyond recognition.

    • I kinda agree with Pluto, Umm er Goofy. [ I could never tell them apart ] That we need to be on site once the first two clues are recognized. Not because we need to stomp out the other clues… but more to… we need to recognize all the clues.
      That may sound a bit off… what I mean is… we can decipher what a clue refers to prior, but we don’t know what it is in the field until we can line them up with the others. This might be the observation part fenn tells us we need to do.
      However, I’m going to go out on a limb here, I think the clues connect in such a way that they actually might show the ‘Big Picture’ which might actually show us what the blaze really is. I know… the blaze is a single object in a word… but so is a car with wheel and windows and doors etc.

      Is the blaze in the poem or only in the field? Maybe the poem creates the blaze… the architect built the blaze if we can adjust what we see, line of thinking. So, why couldn’t fenn say both the poem and in the field… one problem was the question using “only” in the field. This might sound like dribble, but I think fenn could answer because we need to create the blaze by imagination of the information in the poem and that can only be done in the field.

      It’s the only real, logical assumption in my mind as to why searcher can decipher clue[s] reference and be on sight and walk by everything… without make all those searcher doing wrong turn, all missing the same clue, or drove down the wrong canyon…

      The word that is key might be something that helps explain what they did wrong or not understand or not see… a word that will help as far as… not stumbling upon the chest.

    • Thanks Ken, glad you enjoyed it. My opinion on how to solve the poem has changed many times over the years but my opinions about Fenn have pretty much stayed the same.

      One of my favorite sayings is “The greatest obstacle to discovering the truth is being convinced you already know it”. So I decided to start from scratch with a clean slate; which is difficult to do after all the years of trying to solve the poem.

      A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away I came up with a solution after a few weeks of being in the chase. This was way back in the day before any of Fenn’s statements and when some/many of us thought the chest was in Santa Fe. I showed it to my wife and she said “OMG!!!! YOU DID IT”. I told her maybe, but probably not. She wanted me to get in the truck and go get it “RIGHT NOW!!!”. I told her I would check it out the next time I go through there.

      She was beside herself, wanting to know how I could be so calm about it. I said, “Well dear, what is it about “north of Santa Fe” that you find difficult to understand?” She, like tens of thousands have done since then, came up with all the excuses and trickery of Fenn’s words to make my solution viable. She was so excited and certain I was correct she made me start to believe I had solved it. Apparently being delusional is contagious. It’s called a buffalo jump. A buffalo jump is a cliff formation which Native Americans historically used to hunt and kill plains bison in mass quantities. Drive the first one over the cliff and the whole herd will follow.

      Anyway, I decided to start over. Like Fenn and Indiana Jones told us, “Archeology is the search for facts, not truth. If it’s truth you’re looking for, Dr. Tyree’s philosophy class is right down the hall.” So what are the “facts” about the chase? Fenn is a real person and resides in Santa Fe, NM. That’s about as far as I could get with absolute facts. I quickly found myself being philosophical about establishing facts. That’s a runaway train going down a dead end road, so forget facts; what do I “believe” is true, therefore factual, about the chase.

      1. The chest and its contents are real and hidden within the boundaries on the map Fenn gave us.
      2. Fenn is telling us the truth when talking about the chase.

      In my opinion if these two things aren’t true it’s a waste of time looking for the chest.

      Fenn has told us a lot since the good ol days. So I took what he has said in context and in chronological order. He started out by mostly telling us where it’s not. Not in Utah or Idaho, not in a graveyard, not under an outhouse, ect, ect. Then he started telling us how to solve the poem. It was interesting studying the chronology of the chase and what was going on at the time.

      Not necessarily how I want it to be, but considering everything Fenn has said, the first two clues can be found on a map, the remainder have to be solved on location.

      So I sit on canyon rims looking at the big picture trying my best to use an imagination I don’t have.

      Just my opinion and yet another buffalo jump on the chase.

      To stay on topic I believe the key word is “imagination”. It fits with what was going on in the chase at the time he said it.

      • Ha !
        Another good eval. Goofy! Time does fly! I come back to THE beginning by reading the Early premises. Searchers now think all of their ideas are novel…but don’t realize how thoroughly and quickly the main topics surrounding the Chase were gobbled up and spewed forth….logically.
        Heck… my first few months on this blog….I believed Fenn lived in a “nutshell”…in SF ! Dal wrote it. You’re accurate in saying that being delusional is contagious…another reason I come back to the Clinic days for adjustment.
        All of the ATF are useful if used wisely…but freakin’ dangerous in the wrong hands! And by the way…thanks for all you do…and yup…”imagination”…

      • Ha ! At the time of Fenn’s comment, things were just about the same as they are now. It seems the Buffalo Jumps still work ! Personally I kind of rely on them….thins out the competition. Oh my…
        I agree …”imagination” fits the bill…and echoes everything Fenn has put out there.
        I come back to the early threads to stay connected to the quick clinic study on the Chase. Searchers today believe their ideas are novel and unique. On the whole…most have been presented and picked to pieces in some fashion or another…maybe not entirely…but bits and pieces. TRUTH…!! heck…most can’t handle it.
        Apparently being delusional is contagious !!! Jeebzum crow ! Talk about a firestorm…the insecure are gonna burst out crying when they read this !
        Thanks again Goofy…for the reality check/laughs.

  5. Re-opening a point I suggested in November:

    What if the key word is “part of the poem” but “not in the poem”?

    Said differently, the key word is in the poem but it’s not in the poem. IMO

    • Maybe some of these FF quotes are helpful:

      “I wrote this someplace a few years ago and maybe you’ll think it’s worth remembering, Imagination isn’t a technique, it’s a key. f”

      ….”but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

      …”He taught me that imagination could nearly always be used to narrow the gap.”

      “Complacency is the misuse of imagination”

      Many more quotes with “imagination”.

      IMO .

  6. There is certainly enough evidence to conclude “the word that is key” is indeed “imagination”. Back in October 2015 Forrest stated that a person with a lot of resolve and imagination could solve his poem and find the treasure (paraphrased),

    I believe his statement is in this interview (I hope this is the correct one)

    His comment about imagination and resolve is towards the latter part of the interview. In my current solve area, imagination is very important, but to prove my solve I need yet another trip there. My next one will involve investigating things I have discovered since trip #3 September, 2017.

    I like the word “imagination” for the “word that is key” but it is not the word I favor. Either way, it all ends when the TC is found and the solution is laid out for all to ponder.


    • Franklin, what if the word that is key is “KEY? I just watched an interesting documentary last night that spoke of a KEY that the Anatasi Indians used to track the Summer Solstice for both planting purposes and ceremonial. It a sliver of sunlight that marks a point on a rock. Wouldn’t that just be in genius as the Blaze? It would remain hidden unless you knew just where to be when the sun rose. It’s so Indianna Jones. Lol

      • Now that’s an interesting idea Carol.

        There is much talk about “time” but what if the time reference meant you had to be (a.) at a specific place and (b.) at a specific time in order to unlock or identify further information or a path forward? That would amplify the complexity many times over. Is this also the reason nobody has the TC yet?

        Ponder that – if the poem has both location and time embedded and one had to be at that location and at a specific time to uncover a “key” (word or other) that allows them to move forward with the remainder of the correct solve.

  7. I think if you take into consideration FF deep love for archaeology and one just has to look at his office alone cram packed with Indian artifacts. It’s really not difficult to use your Imagination within the poem or the stories within TTOTC. I Think ☺️

    • Not mine Lisa…but thanks for all the sharing.

      IMO – “Rainbow” isn’t even in the poem.

      I’m a poem purist, so I think there is a key word, but within the poem.

      The poem is the playing field.

      If you move off the field, you could be out of bounds.

      I’m not one of those who give up, just because questionable info is put forth.

      IMO – I only LISTEN to one person…FF.

      But do listen to the thoughts of others, because I believe in a Global Consciousness, and people say many things that come to them.

      Little do they understand how important what they may say, will/may help another. It happens to me all the time.

      I can count on one hand at least five comments made by posters, that actually describes my area to a tee…..and they don’t even realize that they fit perfectly to my solve, even the way they described what they think.

      Is that just coincidence? Maybe….but…like JDA….I will file it away as “interesting”….and keep moving forward.

      It’s like the recent “island” comments being made.

      I have a solve that puts me in an island….and the weird thing is I also found an “x” on the same island.

      Another coincidence? Maybe.

      So my point being….I never discount anything others say, just research what they say to see if it helps you.

      If not discard it….like I have discarded that the hoB is a structure. IMO – it is not….it is a place.

      Context is very important in the words we choose to use.

      Good luck.

      • Mr. Tim-

        IMO- Rainbow is in the poem.

        “I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak”…

        IMO that is a rainbow! specifically the END of the rainbow. You see.. done means “end”
        –tired comes from the word “Tiered or rank”
        –weak means “to bend”

        Therefore you have the end of something with ranking which is bent. I wonder what that is…….

        And that is in the poem…..


        • Ah the rainbow, is it not the nine clues that will lead us to its end and the treasure. So then where does this said rainbow begin?

          I guess the question we ought to be asking is: how can one be led to either end of it?

          • Mr. Oz-..

            IMO…The poem has a poem within the poem!…What?…..

            This was a hard concept for Billy to comprehend. There at least two levels (and maybe three) to the poem. IMO

            In other words.. there is one level, where you put words of a sentence together just like the rainbow example above.

            The second level is discovering the origin, or meaning of each and every word individually. IMO

            So even though you can now see where the rainbow is in the poem, one still needs to dissect each of the words in that sentence and the rest of the poem.

            So even though you used them once to discover the rainbow, you can’t dismiss them. The same words may have alternative meanings which Fenn is trying to communicate to you on another level directing your path.

            Of course this is all my opinion.

            I’m still wrestling with if there is a third level. If you hear a ..Pop…that was Billy’s head exploding…

            Best regards

          • SB,

            Now that you mention it, I do think there is more than 2 layers. At first, I thought, well if ff wants this thing found at some point he must’ve known that the level of difficulty raises exponentially as you add layers to something.

            But then again, it is his poem and his thoughts, he could have gone as deep as he wanted. And he did, otherwise why would take him 15 years to complete? He did say something like ‘I don’t know if my poem will take anyone to the treasure’ and very possibly why he is looking to 100s or 1000s of years from now.

          • SB,
            I hear a lot of snapping and cracking going on in my head… but unfortunately… no pop as of yet.

            I get what you’re saying about; “levels” and some like to use “layers” [self included]. But when those words of descriptions are used, I think many don’t understand what others mean by it.
            You’re example of rainbow in the poem is a good example for showing how to analyze the poem.
            For me… this is what fenn meant by “difficult, but not impossible” It’s like playing with your alphabet soup… finding just the right combination of words, lines, sentences, stanzas, phrases, and yes, synonyms, idioms etc. in the right order ‘of understanding’ and still be “Plain English” and straight forward in honestly of the design.

            That would be nearly impossible for many to attempt in writing a poem in such a manner. I dare say it would take me a few decades to get it just right… or in my case… I’d probably wouldn’t have the dedication to even attempt something so “complex” to write it out straightforward enough to make it all true and honest.

            “Some searchers overrate **the complexity of the search**. By knowing…” …going out of the box because they think the answers lie elsewhere”

            IMO, the research is in the poem.
            The only need to leave the box is because we need to refresh / reboot on what we should know…

            “I looked up words and definitions of words and changed them, went back and rebooted… it [ the poem ] turned out exactly like I wanted..”

            If that isn’t a tug on the leash, I don’t know what is.

            End of commentary.

          • I believe that we are definitely looking at multiple layers. The solving is in the words, the definitions, double meanings, the instructions. Also the nouns and pronouns, is he personifying a thing or objectifying a human action? Otherwise, why will it take him 15 years to write 166 words? Over-complicating it with those other things like Latin, bible verses, etc.. is not the way it seems.

            At the end it will be something like:

            Me and my partner will make you very rich. I can only tell you what you will find but I don’t know where it is. My partner will take you there not knowing what you will find. Without me there is no incentive to follow him, but without him you won’t even think of me. What’s our names? My name is Treasure and his name is Map.

          • Oz10,
            Are you implying that the map or GE is “I” in stanza one and the treasures bold are on the map? And, me in the middle, is fenn…

            If so, that would be a different concept of the poem [metaphorically]… But lets take it a step further, is stanza five to be fenn in the middle?

            If I’m reading into this correctly..IDK… I would really like to see the map your looking at. Not where, but what kind/type of map or GE details.

          • Seeker, I wish I knew. The literal or first layer is that (I-my) is ff. The second layer will be to insert something as a river or a mountain range or something else. That easily makes sense in the first stanza for example.

            The third and possibly extra layers needs some creativity. The words in the poem or their multiple definitions may be the (I), the (my) or the (it) at different times. They could confirm some of the literal lines and I think this is how we will find what we need to find on a map, by naming a place or describing a feature.

          • OZ10…You are saying( not exactly…but close) what I am inferring in my post response to GCG over @ odds+ ends.
            The clues are in the poem as a map to be followed progressively(in order, closely knit) to advance (get closer) to the end of the “rainbow” and the treasure. The wording is such…that it misleads(by wrong interp) from one point to the next.
            Your synopsis is much clearer than mine in terms of relating it to a useable map…never the less…I see it !
            I can’t reconcile the term, “layers”, meaning running through the layers one @ a time individually. I do see it as a “job” to tie them(the layers) in total…before moving forward from one step to the next.
            I noticed you were trying to make that point recently…but it was futile in that example. The individual definitions of words may well be all…or partially used…earlier and later in progression. Hence the layers….
            Excellent post!

          • Lisa, I like the Exeter book. I found some more info on rainbows:

            The idea that a pot of gold can be found at the rainbow’s end originated somewhere in old Europe. In Silesia, an obscure area of eastern Europe, it was said that the angels put the gold there and that only a nude man could obtain the prize. Hmm…..

            Can you go under a rainbow’s arch and come out the other side? Not according to the laws of physics. A rainbow is all light and water. It is always in front of you while your back is to the sun. However, there is an old European belief that anyone passing beneath the rainbow would be transformed, man into woman, woman into man! Hmm….

        • Hey SB.

          That seems to be a stretch….messing with the poem…..and manipulating the words FF wrote.

          He wrote them one way….and to disagree with your methodology….IMO – the way he intended it t be read is straightfoward, as it matches a place in the RMs.

          This method seems to be forcing meaning into the poem.

          I’ll disagree.

          Thanks for sharing.

          “IDITANIW” – IMO – is him creating the trail markers and the effort it took to hide the TC.


          • Tim this is a little late as your comment about RAINBOWS was earlier, but look at the word BROWN and a rainbow, then consider this: 7 colors IN the rainbow, but 9 total……In additive color mixing, like light, all the colors combined create white. Consider a prism and imagine the process in reverse, spin a rainbow and you get WHITE but in subtractive color mixing, like paint, all the colors combined create black. This is because you’ve effectively blocked all other colors.

            What was a favorite color of Eric Sloane ? Brown?


          • Hi TT…thanks for the responses.

            As for the phrase….

            “Bad Boys Rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly” . What was it about Radar School in Biloxi Forrest said?

            Red, Brown, Bkack, orange, yelliw, green, blue, violet gold white…..I think….it’s been about 40 yrs since my electronic days.

            This is an easy way of remembering the color bands on electronic resistors. It easily helps in deciphering the value of the resistor.

            Nothing more in that rabbit hole.

            Now if you can use that…then you are a much better man than I.

            Good luck.

          • IMO, if you can’t cross reference it with something from TTOTC then it’s not going to help you find the chest.

          • Jeebsum Tim!
            Years ago I went through Millington and remember that well! I always thought it rather …um …well…blunt and odd at the same time. Of other interest concerning the characteristics of a “rainbow” is how they are formed and the specifics involved. Angles…distance…etc.

          • OZ10, Tom Terrific, Tim and the two kens:

            Angles and Angels, and I think the excited naked man finding the pot of gold in the Silesia legend makes sense. With the sun behind him, he could be the Golden Gnomon of a Sundial to cast a shadow to indicate the end of the rainbow and the pot of gold, couldn’t he?

            And Newton correlated that color mixing chart with the musical scale. Is that?:

            “So hear me all and listen good”


            Note the X on the far left and the Y on the far right in that scale drawing. is that?:

            “The end is ever drawing nigh”

            Nigh means on the left. From GE or a good map or a Piper Malibu plane view, the Y of Madison Junction is my BIWWWH on the right, and my X is my hidey spot on the left, and that X is within my home of Brown. And I still think that “ever” in the Poem is a nod to Everard = Eric Sloane, and Forrest reuniting with him after his death. See also: TT’s mention of Brown as Eric’s favorite color, and color mixing, and the correct order of the colors , right to left, in Newton’s music scale chart. Newton was the King of Rainbows and prisms.

          • *And Purple or Violet corresponds to Newton’s Key of E. My hidey spot is almost exactly 500 feet off of the Red-Black-Violet trail #207. And you have to cross a proverbial “worth the cold” 360° Rainbow or Circumpunct = Gold symbol to get there.

          • History lessons are plentiful here at the hiS.

            What I’m not seeing is how you can marry this information to a place in the RMs, and retrieve the chest.

            Lisa, I appreciate your sharing and all, but to me, unless you can validate what you are “guessing” at, it probably is not a correct solve.

            I have a solve and cannot debunk the info it contains. Your info plays no bearing in mine at all.

            Thanks again for shaing and good luck.

      • Carol, since the Hopi nation is in Northeastern AZ it may be a little out of the pocket for the Rockies, but my favorite pottery and perhaps ff too could be Hopi created, ff once said it was pretty fine stuff.

        Ancient Hopi clowns (Kokopelli) are so rare and beautiful, they are made as a crossover from the Kachina/effigy and pottery, often have twin cone hats that look like a 19th century prisoner black and white uniforms, stiped. Called Koshari https://kachina.us/clown.htm

        Forrest likes to play this “mythical character” when he intentionally says comments like WW1 and means Spanish Cival War.. or 4 cards and a Joker…just sayin. That is something that people of Pueblo decent know, understand and respect for their cleverness and creativity.

        Its reminds me of the “Indian Jones” who immerses himself into a culture to gain knowlege …and un-der-standing so he can find the hidden treasure.

        ff has certainly known that technique.


  8. Hi GCG: in Key Word 6 you had a long reply to which I didn’t get around to answering before #6 was retired. You started:

    “I promised to get back with you on a further review of the poem to look for a pattern regarding a repetitive word which is key in the poem.”

    I’m afraid with your first sentence, you’re already off-track if you’re trying to figure out my key that appears more than once in the poem. It is not one of the 166 words in poem; and it isn’t a synonym or homonym of one of those words. Nor is my key something generic that you can’t do anything with, like “Imagination” or “Confidence” or “Memories.” It is very specific.

    • Zap,

      OK thanks for following up – I understand what your saying

      I will review the poem for a reveal of a specific location either through acrostics, anagrams or idioms etc…


  9. LOL…I work with babies and toddlers daily. Today one of them grabbed at my key and started repeating “key” over and over and over….
    Which automatically starts my brain to silently repeating the poem.
    I can’t get away from the poem. 😉

    By the way, I asked him what the key is used for?
    He replied, “Unlock, Unlock.”
    I am thinking about recruiting him on my search team.

  10. Here’s a funny thing I saw. Hope your key word isn’t “up”. lol

    There is a two-letter word that perhaps has more meanings than any other two-letter word, and that is ‘UP.’
    It’s easy to understand UP, meaning toward the sky or at the top of the list, but when we awaken in the morning, why do we wake UP ?
    At a meeting, why does a topic come UP ?
    Why do we speak UP and why are the officers UP for election and why is it UP to the secretary to write UP a report ?
    We call UP our friends.
    And we use it to brighten UP a room, polish UP the silver; we warm UP the leftovers and clean UP the kitchen.

    We lock UP the house and some guys fix UP the old car.
    At other times the little word has real special meaning.
    People stir UP trouble, line UP for tickets, work UP an appetite, and think UP excuses.
    To be dressed is one thing, but to be dressed UP is special.
    A drain must be opened UP because it is stopped UP…
    We open UP a store in the morning but we close it UP at night.

    We seem to be pretty mixed UP about UP !
    To be knowledgeable about the proper uses of UP, look the word UP in the dictionary.
    In a desk-sized dictionary, it takes UP almost 1/4th of the page and can add UP to about thirty definitions.

    If you are UP to it, you might try building UP a list of the many ways UP is used.
    It will take UP a lot of your time, but if you don’t give UP, you may wind UP with a hundred or more.
    When it threatens to rain, we say it is clouding UP .

    When the sun comes out we say it is clearing UP…
    When it rains, it wets the earth and often messes things UP.
    When it doesn’t rain for awhile, things dry UP.

    One could go on and on, but I’ll wrap it UP, for now my time is UP, so……….it is time to shut UP!

    Now it’s UP to you what you do with this.

  11. That would take “up” too much of my time. lol. No— I really haven’t done a word study on words in the poem. I probably should. I once did for the word “halt” and was really surprised at the definitions. Just recently, after a year at this I did realize that gold and brown are the only two “colors” mentioned in the poem though. 🙂

  12. Alsetenash – Key Word: Alice

    In tight focus with ‘A’ word that is key.

    I believe Lewis Carroll was inspired by the Wonder and Imagination of his niece, Alice, while rowing down the Thames River with her. YNP was aka New Wonderland in Union Pacific’s historic ad campaign:


    My BIWWWH is at Madison Junction in YNP. We know that Forrest floated down the Madison River, and fished using his dinghy there, by the preface in TFTW. And that Union Pacific ad was during the time that Steam Trains were bringing visitors to West Yellowstone. When steam evaporates also could be WWWH. And Forrest went to the Union Pacific Station in West Yellowstone to take a shower sometimes, because of the WWWH in the bathtub at his cabin there, didn’t he?

        • Lisa, I like your posts. A lot of research goes behind most everything you post. Very informative and compelling to say the least. “A” word that is key, who knows, maybe, I can’t say yes or no to it. It’s the part “I think” that you used that gives me pause. That would be a guess. I know you know, just throwing a possible out there, I get it, but all the speculation and research in the world can’t get by the fact that it’s proving a guess. Again, if the poem doesn’t solve for it, it’s probably a rabbit hole. Maybe all rabbit holes aren’t so bad, Alice came out okay, but in the chase, unless Alice knows Chinese, that hole is not going to take her to Wonderland.
          (Yes, I’m half kidding and playing around), just want to make sure we are all on the same page of “guessing”.
          With that said, a key from the poem could be, like we said before, ‘that’. There is a lot of support info for it, and I won’t say how this came to be, it’s something if someone wants to look into they can find, if not, it’s dust in the wind, but the word ‘that” is the longitude degrees. How is it the longitude is up to the person looking to find, like I said, lots of support info. I sure wouldn’t take my word for it, nobody should, but it is there. A word “that” is key. And yes, the poem also has a “key”. It makes his ATF comment true in both ways.

          • Reminds me of a riddle I heard when I was six – Railroad crossing, look out for the cars, Can you spell that without any “R”‘s? Of course, the answer was THAT – 🙂 JDA

          • charles – Everytime I use, “I think” in a post, remember that is my equivalent of writing, IMO. I am using my Imagination to always stay open to explore new thoughts and connections. And until the bronze chest is found, we are all guessing. I think.

            Here is another good rabbit hole I went down, regarding the, “Not far, but too far too walk” line in the Poem:

            Lisa Cesari
            on December 14, 2017 at 2:04 pm said:
            bob – Here’s a Scrapbook with lots of pictures of Forrest’s tired shoes:


            “This life, which had been the tomb of his virtue and of his honour, is but a walking shadow; a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more …”

            Thank you Mister Shakespeare, but we didn’t ask for your opinion, and we’re not ready yet to retire. We’ll let you know when. Hope you’re taking notes.

            Yeah, and everyone over at Dal’s keeps ignoring my references to Shakespeare’s Epitaph and Forrest maybe using that to write his original Poem…

            Too Far to Walk…the shadow on the cover.

          • charles – Like when you wrote:

            “There is a lot of support info for it, and I won’t say how this came to be, it’s something if someone wants to look into they can find, if not, it’s dust in the wind, ”

            You know not when you give an unintended CLEW. The song, Dust in the Wind, was based on the legend of Daedalus creating the maze for King Minos, and Icarus got too close to the blaze of the Sun, and he fell into the sea.

            See also: Ariadne and Forrest’s missing Big Ball of String.


          • Yes Lisa, you are right. I don’t think I was writing in as so much to noobs instead of you. Really, don’t know what I was thinking, was still at work.
            Anyway,” You know not when you give an unintended CLEW. The song, Dust in the Wind, was based on the legend of Daedalus creating the maze for King Minos, and Icarus got too close to the blaze of the Sun, and he fell into the sea.”
            I know, I was trying to show how the poem could be used but couldn’t explain, like I said, was at work. Lol, lousy excuse. I actually hate when posters do that. So, now at home and forgot what I was going to say. Wow, brain is in the abyss of the chase. I’m not even going to tell JDA there were no cars when he was six. I’m slipping. You guys have a good weekend, think I’ll reset until Monday…

  13. could the key word be CANCER? in the ode to peggy he starts by saying “Cancer is a terrible word” and it is written in red…also in the chapter Gold and More on pg 128 again in red letter he starts a paragraph saying “And then I got cancer.”…..I dont know how I could use the word cancer to solve anything but it stood out to me so maybe one of you will find it useful.

  14. i think the key word is meek and refers to land ownership. no place for the meek could be about georgia o’keeffe. following landownership in this area may induce madness and or conspiracy theories”not joking at all”.

  15. no mite be the word forrest regrets putting in the pome. cancer,religion and art just north of santa fe and book releases following google’s new sat photo updates for the area….ill be back there in january”looking for the gold cross buried by the salt lake”

  16. Personally the word YOUR seems to be the most important. If you translate this word in a creative way. like YOUR CREEK is really like MINE CREEK. The hidden meaning of the word YOUR is describing something the hidden name of the creek your going up.

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