Forrest Gets Mail – 14

I love emails like this one from Diane. Makes me wish I could go back to the starting place and experience all of the things I might have done, but didn’t.


I have a technicolor picture of me running through the brambles with Diane.

It is comforting that the treasures chest thread has brought so many of us together in a kindred way. I feel like I know that girl who played with hobos. f

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Forrest-
My grandfather was a train engineer.  He used to do a big train whistle out of town so my grandmother could hear to let him know he was on the way, and she’d tell me to take off running. I would run like the dickens through the bramble, and meet his train on the edge of Lewistown, Mt., and he would stop it to a complete halt, then let me on, and I got to drive the train all the way through Lewistown, Mt., then I would hop off, with the train building steam and run back to grandma’s house.  Never fell once.  I remember the train would slow down slow, then come to a complete halt like how I think warm waters halt.

One of my favorite things to do is go in to town and have lunch with the “young hobos” who hop the trains out of Colorado Springs.  My Sunday hobo church.  They grab food from people coming out of the cafes and eat it up like morsels form heaven.  Took me only a day to adjust to their routine.  They are brilliant poets, just like Forrest.  A few are banjo players, and they are peaceful, but not for the meek.  They are totally free to ride the rails to the next adventure, and I live vicariously through them, as I also love the rails.
I’m new to the chase, and am having fun studying my stacks of maps, and the poem, and I giggle a lot when I wonder- “What would Bubba do?”
Diane

 

 

Forrest Gets Mail From a Middle School Class

 

Thank you Karen,

I will try to answer the questions for your students. I received about 30 emails and was a little overwhelmed. That’s why I didn’t respond to more than I did. My answers follow the student’s questions and are in bold type.

I can see by the first question that your students probably are not asking what they want answered. I will answer the questions as presented and not judge them. I will also leave your students with a poem. It is not a reflection on anyone, or the questions, but something for them to think about.

Today as I went up the stair, I met a man who wasn’t there. He wasn’t there again today, oh how I wish he’d go away.

 

Can you describe the first and last time you visited your secret fishing spot?
Yes, I went in my car both times and the sun was shining.

Also you said gold. In the canyon we are guessing the sunset make the rock look like gold is this significant to the place where you hid the treasure.
I am sure the rock would think so.

Does the 4 line in each stanza have a significance to when you hid the treasure.
No

Would you please give us a list of all your friends/superiors in the Vietnam war?
There are several hundred. Would you like the names alphabetical?

Could you also tell was time of year you hid the treasure?
Yes, it was summer.

We have a guess about where the treasure is hidden, and we were wondering if you could give us some feedback on it.
Yes, I think I could.

We believe that the treasure is hidden near agua fria peak, New Mexico.
I think that is very interesting.

Our group also thinks if it is not hidden there, then it might be hidden some where near Cimarron canyon.
The canyon is very long so if you go searching there please be prepared.

Our final guess is that the treasure may be along road 156 in Wyoming. Thank you for taking time out of your day to help us in our class!
You cannot solve the problem by starting in the middle of the poem. You should start with the first clue and then solve the other eight in order.

What is your favorite thing about the place where you hid the treasure?
It is in a place that is dear to me.

When was the first time you went to the place where you hid the treasure?
I don’t want to answer that question. It is more of a clue than I want to give.

What is your favorite outside activity?
Fishing

When was the last time you went to the place with the treasure was hidden?
A few years ago.

Did you name the poem The Thrill of the Chase?
No. I forgot to name it.

Were you close to your father?
I think I was closer in my memory of him than in practice.

Does Bighorn Canyon,WY ring any bells in your past?
Or does Black Canyon,CO ring any bells?
What do you mean by “ringing bells”

What is the emphasis of “where warm waters halt”?
I don’t understand the question.

What does “warm” mean to you?
It means being comfortable.

Where did you mostly go during your lifetime?
Europe, Asia, South America, and the United States.

When did you find this spot to bury the treasure like year?
I have not said that I buried it, and I don’t want to reveal when I discovered the spot. It is too much of a clue.

Does a blaze mean the treasure?
Not in my dictionary.

Why did you hide the treasure where you hid it?
I love the way you worded that question. I think you are going to be a science fiction writer. The answer is in my book, TTOTC.

What inspired your passion for art?
I have no passion for art. It was only a business to me.

Who was your biggest influence growing up?
My father and my football coach.

Why did you choose the specific riches in the treasure?
Because I needed them to put in the treasure chest.

Have you ever revisited the place you hid it?
No

How did the Vietnam War affect you?
It made me more forgiving, more considerate, and more aware that we need to leave other people alone.

What time of year did you hid the treasure?
Summer

Is there is specific reason that halt and walk are the only words that do not follow the  rhyme scheme?
Yes, I was limited by my ability.

What is your favorite place to be? or river?
In my home in Santa Fe.

Where was your favorite place? Why?
Why don’t you ask me how deep is a hole? I cannot single out one to be my favorite.

Why did you marry?
Because I was able to find a woman who was much better than me, and then spent 63 years hoping she wouldn’t find out.

What is “too far to walk” to you?
It is the name of a book I wrote.

Who were your partners in the Air Force?
I had no partners sir.

When you wrote the poem, were you thinking about fishing
No, I was thinking about the poem.

What was your favorite Hike/Trail Yellowstone.?
Trails are not favorites of mine. I always hiked off trails. Why go where everyone else had gone. The rangers didn’t like that, but I did and I was the one doing it. Do you see my logic?

Did it lead to the top of a waterfall?
Some did but most didn’t.

Where did you catch the Fish that you still have a memory.
In Alaska.

If so, why do you remember that memory?
Because a 900 pound bear also wanted it. Guess who won?

What type of fish did you like fishing for?
Trout, bass, perch and catfish.

What Is Blaze?
Anything that stands out.

How hard was it to write the poem and not give the location away?
It was not hard at all. I just had to stay focused.

In the poem, Thrill of The Chase when you talk about “Not far, but too far to walk” and “Take it in the canyon down,” is it referring to a waterfall.
You guys seem to be hung up on waterfalls. Don’t try to change my poem to fit your ideas.

We were also wondering if you could tell us anything about “The home of the Brown.
No

“Do you “check” on the treasure every once in awhile to see if it is still in tact.
Do you mean as opposed to being torn apart? I feel sure it is still intact.

And does anyone know for sure where it is, for example, your wife, or closest friend?
No one knows where it is but me.

We are looking into places in New Mexico and we are curious if we are in the right direction.
Go back to the poem and start with the first clue.

When was the last time you have been to where the treasure is hidden?
A few years ago.

Forrest Gets Mail – 12

Hello Mr. Fenn!

My name’s Kenda.  Had a strange thing happen the other day –involves you oddly enough

I watched Destination Unknown “Finding Fenn’s Treasure” on 1/13, Friday evening

I’m a paranormal researcher, I record ghost voices…  been doing it on a regular basis for 10 years now.

Saturday morning -5 am EST, (3 am your time)  I did a recording session.   A voice that sounds an awful lot like you is speaking on it.   It’s not unusual for sleeping people to show up on recording, happens pretty regularly…no rhyme or reason to it actually.

Here’s what “sleeping you” said, “IT’S A GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT TO ME THAT MY OWN FAMILY HAVEN’T FOUND IT.”

“TAOS…  IT WOULD BE BALD WITHOUT THIS”    “DON’T YOU KIDS READ?”

Now, I don’t speak at all during the “answer” parts of the recording, only when asking questions.

Vocally, I’m 99.999% sure it’s you; got the accent, cadence, everything!

Just thought you might find it interesting  –I definitely do

I did a video of it if you’d like to hear it —  (incidentally, I was asking about the existence of Bigfoot at the time –“You” suggested I STOP asking about it considering  “THEY COULD BE FROM THE PRIMATE FAMILY” )

Sincerely,
Kendra

Here’s the link to the video…
FORREST FENN (Pure EVP) Sleeping Forrest Messages

Forrest Gets Mail – 11

 

Mr. Fenn,
I am a professional poker player living in Las Vegas… im 44 years old and I came to Vegas when I was 19 to pursue a career  in playing Blackjack… (not such a good idea btw) and have been here ever since. I received your book for Christmas (never heard about your story) and I will be trading in gambling on cards for gambling in the wilderness. Should be fun.

I recently purchased 10 books and have decided I need 10 partners and figured the best way to find 10 people I can trust* was to send it off to 10 inmates serving life sentences… figured they have the time and won’t be looking themselves😀😀.

I chose 9 men and 1 woman. I’m thinking my best shot is the Unibomer Ted Kaczynski.. as he is a pretty brilliant guy and also lived in Montana for a number of years… I have 1 question, Has anyone ever told you they were doing this also?

Hope this finds you well,

Brett

My Best Solve So Far…

by TimM

Hi everyone.  I have been sitting on this solve for over a year and a half.  So far, I think it’s the best one I’ve come up with.  I have had a few other ones in the past two years but I always seemed to try my hardest to get the solve to fit the poem instead of the other way around.  This one, however, it appeared that everything just fell into place.  I had planned to go to Colorado last spring to get boots on the ground but for one reason or another that never happened.  I was in a rush to beat Amy Sweitzer to Colorado because this solve was so good that I thought she figured it out too…  lol.   Amy, and whoever else, can check it out if you want to….  But, if you find the chest, don’t forget to throw this old dog a bone.

I was trying to figure out the best way to tell my solve without boring all of you.  I figured the best way to do it is to tell a few stories from the research I’ve done and then use a lot of pictures.  I apologize in advance if this gets too wordy.  I will also try to give you the websites that I got my ideas from.  You’ll have to forgive me if I can’t remember some of the info… it’s been well over a year.  I have always thought that the whole poem held clues.  I didn’t want to skip the first stanza and start WWWH.   So, with that said… lets get started.

Story 1.   In January 1859 a fellow by the name of George Jackson was hunting with his buddy.  They camped in an area now known as Clear Creek.  Jackson wanted to explore the area around there more but his hunting buddy decided it wasn’t for him and returned to Golden, Colorado.  The next day Jackson explored westward and saw a bluish mist or cloud rising from the nearby canyon.  He thought it was an indian encampment so he crept through deep snow to look over the ridge.  What he saw was a herd of mountain sheep grazing on green grass and the mist was steam from a hot spring.  After camping there over night he headed west the next day.  He set up camp on a sand bar next to Clear Creek and built a bonfire.  The fire thawed the ground around him and he was able to use a drinking cup to pan for gold.  He ended up finding $9.00 worth of gold.  Jackson marked the spot and returned to Golden, Colorado planning to return next spring.

Story 2.   Silver Plume is a silver mining town in the Front Range of the Rocky Mountains west of Denver, Colorado.  The name of the town came from a poem that the owner of a hotel made when prospectors brought some silver in to him.  His poem is:

Knights today are miners bold,
Who delve in deep mines’ gloom,
To honor men who dig for gold,
For ladies whom their arms enfold,
We’ll name the town Silver Plume!

Another resident of Silver Plume was a gentleman named Clifford Griffin.  Mr Griffin was from New York.  He was set to be married but the night before the wedding his soon-to-be wife became gravely ill and died.  To escape the memories of his beloved he and his brother moved to Colorado and they came to own the 7:30 mine.  It was named the 7:30 mine because the owners would allow their miners to start work at 7:30 intstead of 6 a.m. like all the other mines in the region.  Every evening Mr Griffin would go up to a nearby cliff and play the violin.  The sounds of his music could be heard everywhere in town because of the acoustics of the valley.  One night after playing his melodies the townspeople heard a shot ring out.  Most of the town ran up to the cliff to find Mr Griffin had shot himself in the heart and was lying in a grave that he had already dug.  He left a note for the people asking to be left where he was because that’s the only place he found happiness after his wife passed away.  The town errected a granite monument in his honor directly over the gravesite.

Now… down to the solve.

Lets look at the first stanza…

As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.

I figured that this was a clue to get you to the right general area.  Hinting of riches new and old meant that the chest are the new riches and the old ones are precious metals or artifacts.  I don’t remember exactly how I got to the search area that I’m about to tell you about but it seems everything fits…  “As I have gone alone in there”  much like Clifford Griffin going alone and accepting his fate on the cliff.  He was ready to pass on.  “And with my treasures bold”  kind of ties in with the poem that named the town of Silver Plume.  I know it’s a stretch but bear with me…. These hints are mostly fluff or coincidence.

The next stanza reads…

Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown

Now this is where the meat and potatoes are!  The first story regarding George Jackson is key here.  The hot springs that he found are in Idaho Springs, Colorado.  Early records show that a hot spring geyser erupted in 1859 but had stopped flowing by 1860 and it was attributed to the mining activity in the area.  This is where warm waters halt.    Let’s take a look at a map…   pic1I have circled the town of Idaho Springs.  That’s Interstate 70 running East to West.  If you “Begin it where warm waters halt”….

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“And take it in the canyon down” ….

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You end up in the area of Georgetown and Silver Plume.   At the height of production from the mines in this area, a group of investors got together and decided that a railroad would be better to transport the ore down to the Denver area.  The grade was steep and tough so they designed the rail line to loop around a few times to give the steam engines a chance to build up speed.  After the mining in the area died down portions of the railroad was torn out… but not the section between Georgetown and Silver Plume.  This is known as the Georetown Loop.  It is a sightseeing railroad that is still in use today…  Here is a map of the looped tracks…

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See how the tracks loop over themselves?   The distance between the two towns is only 2 miles… but the length of the railroad tracks is 4 miles. There is also a bike/ walking path next to Interstate 70 between the two towns.  Does that mean its “Not far, but too far to walk”?  Why walk when you can take the train, right?

The next line in the poem is “Put in below the home of Brown”   Take a look at this map below.  This map is of the town of Silver Plume and just west of it.  If you look close you will see a notation that says “Brown Gulch”.  The gulch was named after one of the earler miners in the area.  There was a town of Brownsville just below the gulch that actually preceded Silver Plume.  After Silver Plume came into existance, the town of Brownsville became sort of a slum area that was mostly inhabited by immigrants.  Both towns had their own schools because no one wanted to intergrate them.  An avalanche occurred and wiped most of Brownsville off the map and killed a bunch of miners and their families.  After that, the two towns merged into what exists today.  So, when you “Put in below the home of Brown” you are in the town of Silver Plume.

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Lets look at the next stanza….

From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.

This stanza gets you moving…  Do you see the zig-zag line on the map North of the Town of Silver Plume?  That’s not a road… that is a hiking trail.  Remember the story about Clifford Griffin?  That trail leads you to the monument on top of the cliff where he died.  It’s called the 7:30 mine trail.  The trail zig-zags because the grade is steep.  That means “From (Silver Plume) it’s no place for the meek,”  And of course “the end is ever drawing nigh” because the trail stops at the monument… where Mr Griffin’s end occurred.   The next line is “There’ll be no paddle up your creek” but it’s not talking about Clear Creek…  There used to be another small creek that dumped into Clear Creek.  It was called Cherokee Creek.  It’s not flowing any more or it has been diverted.   You’ll see why it doesn’t flow any more in a picture later.  As for “Just heavy loads and water high”.   I attribute that to the heavy loads of a backpack and water high, as in tipping your drinking water up to get a few gulps.

On to the next stanza…

If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.

I think there is only one or maybe 2 clues in this stanza…  Obviously “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze” is one of them.   Let me show you some pictures of the 7:30 mine trail.  These photographs were posted by Nathan Abels at http://nathanabels.blogspot.com/2010/03/silver-plume-griffin-memorial-hike-mega.html

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The trail doesn’t look too rough… do you think its easy enough for an 80 year old man??

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Now this is an important photograph.  See the pile of stones there?  Is that a blaze?  Well, not exactly….  Its called a cairn.  If you needed to mark a trail in unfamiliar surroundings and there were no trees to put a “blaze” what would you do?  Exactly… a cairn serves the same purpose since they both mark the path.  There are a series of these cairns along the 7:30 mine trail.  “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze…”

We are getting close, ladies and gentlemen!!!

The next line is “Look quickly down, your quest to cease,”   The next map shows a little different view of the 7:30 mine trail… you can see the topography.  Unfortunately, when you zoom this close on Google Maps the lines that mark the elevation disapear.  I know from my research that where I think the chest might be is within the 5000 to 10200 feet in elevation.  I want you to pay particular attention where the mine trail makes almost a 90 degree turn straight up.  Do you see it in the center of the map?  It goes up for a reason there…

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This next picture is right after you turn due north on the trail.  You can see that it is a steep drop off on the left side and that’s why the trail turns north.  Nathan posted on his blog that there was also a cairn in this photograph but I don’t see it.  I’ll take him at his word.   This is where you “Look quickly down, your quest to cease”   The rest of the stanza just means get it and get out… lol.

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Let’s go to the next stanza…. Hang in there, we almost have it  !!!

So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.

I think this stanza goes back to the reason Forrest hid the chest in the first place.  He wanted to leave a lagacy….   Be remembered.   “So why is it that I must go”

That kind of sounds like what Clifford Griffin might say.   He also might say “The answers I already know, I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak.”  This pretty much sums up this stanza.

The Final Stanza…..   (drum roll…….)

So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.

“so hear me all and listen good, your effort will be worth the cold.”  Well, due to the geography of the region Silver Plume seldom gets into the 70 degree range.  Most of the time it’s lower than that….   But let me show you something amazing….    “”If you are brave and in the wood, I give you title to the gold.”

When you “Look quickly down” this is what you’ll see…..

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Do you see where the trail turns North?  What would you see if you looked over the edge??  Can you tell what it is in the gulch?   How about if I show you the photo….

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Do you see the wood??   If you are in the wood, you get the gold…    (by the way, this is why Cherokee Creek was diverted or doesn’t flow any more.)

TA DAH !!!!!!!   (he he he he he)

Before you go off looking this stuff up on the interwebs, let me give you a few more tidbits….

If you look on Dal’s blog under the “cheat sheet”  you can quantify everything on that list with this solve.  It all works in order…  and as for this place being special to Forrest?  Well, the Silver Plume School House that sits at the base of the mountain in back of town has been converted to a historical museum.  Remember how Forrest’s dad took him to the school house because of the saying over the door?   Maybe this place is special because he brought family here to ride the Georgetown Loop Railroad?  Maybe it’s the fishing in Clear Creek?  I’m not sure… but all of fits.

If you go check it out, remember this old dog that led the way…  Happy hunting and BE SAFE!!!

Take care,

TimM

The Key Word…Part Two

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This page is now closed to additional comments. To continue the discussion please go to the current Key Word page.

“Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

The above is a quote from Forrest. This page is where we can discuss what that key word might be.