Forrest Gets Mail – 12

Hello Mr. Fenn!

My name’s Kenda.  Had a strange thing happen the other day –involves you oddly enough

I watched Destination Unknown “Finding Fenn’s Treasure” on 1/13, Friday evening

I’m a paranormal researcher, I record ghost voices…  been doing it on a regular basis for 10 years now.

Saturday morning -5 am EST, (3 am your time)  I did a recording session.   A voice that sounds an awful lot like you is speaking on it.   It’s not unusual for sleeping people to show up on recording, happens pretty regularly…no rhyme or reason to it actually.

Here’s what “sleeping you” said, “IT’S A GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT TO ME THAT MY OWN FAMILY HAVEN’T FOUND IT.”

“TAOS…  IT WOULD BE BALD WITHOUT THIS”    “DON’T YOU KIDS READ?”

Now, I don’t speak at all during the “answer” parts of the recording, only when asking questions.

Vocally, I’m 99.999% sure it’s you; got the accent, cadence, everything!

Just thought you might find it interesting  –I definitely do

I did a video of it if you’d like to hear it —  (incidentally, I was asking about the existence of Bigfoot at the time –“You” suggested I STOP asking about it considering  “THEY COULD BE FROM THE PRIMATE FAMILY” )

Sincerely,
Kendra

Here’s the link to the video…
FORREST FENN (Pure EVP) Sleeping Forrest Messages

Forrest Gets Mail – 11

 

Mr. Fenn,
I am a professional poker player living in Las Vegas… im 44 years old and I came to Vegas when I was 19 to pursue a career  in playing Blackjack… (not such a good idea btw) and have been here ever since. I received your book for Christmas (never heard about your story) and I will be trading in gambling on cards for gambling in the wilderness. Should be fun.

I recently purchased 10 books and have decided I need 10 partners and figured the best way to find 10 people I can trust* was to send it off to 10 inmates serving life sentences… figured they have the time and won’t be looking themselves😀😀.

I chose 9 men and 1 woman. I’m thinking my best shot is the Unibomer Ted Kaczynski.. as he is a pretty brilliant guy and also lived in Montana for a number of years… I have 1 question, Has anyone ever told you they were doing this also?

Hope this finds you well,

Brett

My Best Solve So Far…

by TimM

Hi everyone.  I have been sitting on this solve for over a year and a half.  So far, I think it’s the best one I’ve come up with.  I have had a few other ones in the past two years but I always seemed to try my hardest to get the solve to fit the poem instead of the other way around.  This one, however, it appeared that everything just fell into place.  I had planned to go to Colorado last spring to get boots on the ground but for one reason or another that never happened.  I was in a rush to beat Amy Sweitzer to Colorado because this solve was so good that I thought she figured it out too…  lol.   Amy, and whoever else, can check it out if you want to….  But, if you find the chest, don’t forget to throw this old dog a bone.

I was trying to figure out the best way to tell my solve without boring all of you.  I figured the best way to do it is to tell a few stories from the research I’ve done and then use a lot of pictures.  I apologize in advance if this gets too wordy.  I will also try to give you the websites that I got my ideas from.  You’ll have to forgive me if I can’t remember some of the info… it’s been well over a year.  I have always thought that the whole poem held clues.  I didn’t want to skip the first stanza and start WWWH.   So, with that said… lets get started.

Story 1.   In January 1859 a fellow by the name of George Jackson was hunting with his buddy.  They camped in an area now known as Clear Creek.  Jackson wanted to explore the area around there more but his hunting buddy decided it wasn’t for him and returned to Golden, Colorado.  The next day Jackson explored westward and saw a bluish mist or cloud rising from the nearby canyon.  He thought it was an indian encampment so he crept through deep snow to look over the ridge.  What he saw was a herd of mountain sheep grazing on green grass and the mist was steam from a hot spring.  After camping there over night he headed west the next day.  He set up camp on a sand bar next to Clear Creek and built a bonfire.  The fire thawed the ground around him and he was able to use a drinking cup to pan for gold.  He ended up finding $9.00 worth of gold.  Jackson marked the spot and returned to Golden, Colorado planning to return next spring.

Story 2.   Silver Plume is a silver mining town in the Front Range of the Rocky Mountains west of Denver, Colorado.  The name of the town came from a poem that the owner of a hotel made when prospectors brought some silver in to him.  His poem is:

Knights today are miners bold,
Who delve in deep mines’ gloom,
To honor men who dig for gold,
For ladies whom their arms enfold,
We’ll name the town Silver Plume!

Another resident of Silver Plume was a gentleman named Clifford Griffin.  Mr Griffin was from New York.  He was set to be married but the night before the wedding his soon-to-be wife became gravely ill and died.  To escape the memories of his beloved he and his brother moved to Colorado and they came to own the 7:30 mine.  It was named the 7:30 mine because the owners would allow their miners to start work at 7:30 intstead of 6 a.m. like all the other mines in the region.  Every evening Mr Griffin would go up to a nearby cliff and play the violin.  The sounds of his music could be heard everywhere in town because of the acoustics of the valley.  One night after playing his melodies the townspeople heard a shot ring out.  Most of the town ran up to the cliff to find Mr Griffin had shot himself in the heart and was lying in a grave that he had already dug.  He left a note for the people asking to be left where he was because that’s the only place he found happiness after his wife passed away.  The town errected a granite monument in his honor directly over the gravesite.

Now… down to the solve.

Lets look at the first stanza…

As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.

I figured that this was a clue to get you to the right general area.  Hinting of riches new and old meant that the chest are the new riches and the old ones are precious metals or artifacts.  I don’t remember exactly how I got to the search area that I’m about to tell you about but it seems everything fits…  “As I have gone alone in there”  much like Clifford Griffin going alone and accepting his fate on the cliff.  He was ready to pass on.  “And with my treasures bold”  kind of ties in with the poem that named the town of Silver Plume.  I know it’s a stretch but bear with me…. These hints are mostly fluff or coincidence.

The next stanza reads…

Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown

Now this is where the meat and potatoes are!  The first story regarding George Jackson is key here.  The hot springs that he found are in Idaho Springs, Colorado.  Early records show that a hot spring geyser erupted in 1859 but had stopped flowing by 1860 and it was attributed to the mining activity in the area.  This is where warm waters halt.    Let’s take a look at a map…   pic1I have circled the town of Idaho Springs.  That’s Interstate 70 running East to West.  If you “Begin it where warm waters halt”….

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“And take it in the canyon down” ….

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You end up in the area of Georgetown and Silver Plume.   At the height of production from the mines in this area, a group of investors got together and decided that a railroad would be better to transport the ore down to the Denver area.  The grade was steep and tough so they designed the rail line to loop around a few times to give the steam engines a chance to build up speed.  After the mining in the area died down portions of the railroad was torn out… but not the section between Georgetown and Silver Plume.  This is known as the Georetown Loop.  It is a sightseeing railroad that is still in use today…  Here is a map of the looped tracks…

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See how the tracks loop over themselves?   The distance between the two towns is only 2 miles… but the length of the railroad tracks is 4 miles. There is also a bike/ walking path next to Interstate 70 between the two towns.  Does that mean its “Not far, but too far to walk”?  Why walk when you can take the train, right?

The next line in the poem is “Put in below the home of Brown”   Take a look at this map below.  This map is of the town of Silver Plume and just west of it.  If you look close you will see a notation that says “Brown Gulch”.  The gulch was named after one of the earler miners in the area.  There was a town of Brownsville just below the gulch that actually preceded Silver Plume.  After Silver Plume came into existance, the town of Brownsville became sort of a slum area that was mostly inhabited by immigrants.  Both towns had their own schools because no one wanted to intergrate them.  An avalanche occurred and wiped most of Brownsville off the map and killed a bunch of miners and their families.  After that, the two towns merged into what exists today.  So, when you “Put in below the home of Brown” you are in the town of Silver Plume.

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Lets look at the next stanza….

From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.

This stanza gets you moving…  Do you see the zig-zag line on the map North of the Town of Silver Plume?  That’s not a road… that is a hiking trail.  Remember the story about Clifford Griffin?  That trail leads you to the monument on top of the cliff where he died.  It’s called the 7:30 mine trail.  The trail zig-zags because the grade is steep.  That means “From (Silver Plume) it’s no place for the meek,”  And of course “the end is ever drawing nigh” because the trail stops at the monument… where Mr Griffin’s end occurred.   The next line is “There’ll be no paddle up your creek” but it’s not talking about Clear Creek…  There used to be another small creek that dumped into Clear Creek.  It was called Cherokee Creek.  It’s not flowing any more or it has been diverted.   You’ll see why it doesn’t flow any more in a picture later.  As for “Just heavy loads and water high”.   I attribute that to the heavy loads of a backpack and water high, as in tipping your drinking water up to get a few gulps.

On to the next stanza…

If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.

I think there is only one or maybe 2 clues in this stanza…  Obviously “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze” is one of them.   Let me show you some pictures of the 7:30 mine trail.  These photographs were posted by Nathan Abels at http://nathanabels.blogspot.com/2010/03/silver-plume-griffin-memorial-hike-mega.html

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The trail doesn’t look too rough… do you think its easy enough for an 80 year old man??

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Now this is an important photograph.  See the pile of stones there?  Is that a blaze?  Well, not exactly….  Its called a cairn.  If you needed to mark a trail in unfamiliar surroundings and there were no trees to put a “blaze” what would you do?  Exactly… a cairn serves the same purpose since they both mark the path.  There are a series of these cairns along the 7:30 mine trail.  “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze…”

We are getting close, ladies and gentlemen!!!

The next line is “Look quickly down, your quest to cease,”   The next map shows a little different view of the 7:30 mine trail… you can see the topography.  Unfortunately, when you zoom this close on Google Maps the lines that mark the elevation disapear.  I know from my research that where I think the chest might be is within the 5000 to 10200 feet in elevation.  I want you to pay particular attention where the mine trail makes almost a 90 degree turn straight up.  Do you see it in the center of the map?  It goes up for a reason there…

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This next picture is right after you turn due north on the trail.  You can see that it is a steep drop off on the left side and that’s why the trail turns north.  Nathan posted on his blog that there was also a cairn in this photograph but I don’t see it.  I’ll take him at his word.   This is where you “Look quickly down, your quest to cease”   The rest of the stanza just means get it and get out… lol.

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Let’s go to the next stanza…. Hang in there, we almost have it  !!!

So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.

I think this stanza goes back to the reason Forrest hid the chest in the first place.  He wanted to leave a lagacy….   Be remembered.   “So why is it that I must go”

That kind of sounds like what Clifford Griffin might say.   He also might say “The answers I already know, I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak.”  This pretty much sums up this stanza.

The Final Stanza…..   (drum roll…….)

So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.

“so hear me all and listen good, your effort will be worth the cold.”  Well, due to the geography of the region Silver Plume seldom gets into the 70 degree range.  Most of the time it’s lower than that….   But let me show you something amazing….    “”If you are brave and in the wood, I give you title to the gold.”

When you “Look quickly down” this is what you’ll see…..

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Do you see where the trail turns North?  What would you see if you looked over the edge??  Can you tell what it is in the gulch?   How about if I show you the photo….

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Do you see the wood??   If you are in the wood, you get the gold…    (by the way, this is why Cherokee Creek was diverted or doesn’t flow any more.)

TA DAH !!!!!!!   (he he he he he)

Before you go off looking this stuff up on the interwebs, let me give you a few more tidbits….

If you look on Dal’s blog under the “cheat sheet”  you can quantify everything on that list with this solve.  It all works in order…  and as for this place being special to Forrest?  Well, the Silver Plume School House that sits at the base of the mountain in back of town has been converted to a historical museum.  Remember how Forrest’s dad took him to the school house because of the saying over the door?   Maybe this place is special because he brought family here to ride the Georgetown Loop Railroad?  Maybe it’s the fishing in Clear Creek?  I’m not sure… but all of fits.

If you go check it out, remember this old dog that led the way…  Happy hunting and BE SAFE!!!

Take care,

TimM

The Key Word…Part Two

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This page is now closed to additional comments. To continue the discussion please go to the current Key Word page.

“Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

The above is a quote from Forrest. This page is where we can discuss what that key word might be.

 

 

 

Synonyms and Antonyms…

Synonyms and Antonyms

Why so many? For the last month or so, I have been giving serious consideration to the synonyms and antonyms within the poem. There are many for such a short peom. Don’t believe me? Here’s a sample:

Synonyms:
• I/Me
• Bold/Brave
• Treasures/riches/Trove
• Meek/Weak
• Hear/Listen
• Look/Gaze
• Halt/Cease
• Go/Leave

Antonyms:
• I/You,Your
• Alone/With
• Secret/Hint
• New/Old
• Warm/Cold
• Bold/Weak
• Brave/Meek
• Down/Up
• Below/High
• Quickly/Tarry
• Begin/End
• Just(meaning “right”)/Nigh(meaning “left”)
• Take/Leave,Give
• Put(as in “push”)/Drawing(as in “pull”)
• Far/Nigh(meaning “near”)

That list, while not exhaustive, leaves few significant words in the poem that don’t have either a similar or opposite word match. Is this coincidence? I don’t think so, it seems more like a theme to me. I’m not entirely sure what to do with this theme, but I have an idea.

Before I get to that idea, I’d like to mention something else. Many have noticed and there are some comments that have been discussed but I’ll bring it up again. Mr. Fenn has a penchant for mirrors and/or reflections. There have been numerous pictures provided by Mr. Fenn that show either his reflection in a mirror, or they are mentioned in a scrapbook and there is even the story Mirror on My Wall in Too Far To Walk . While I can’t say for certain, I am inclined to think that Mirrors/Reflections and Synonyms/Antonyms are related. How so you ask? I’ll explain.

You see, a mirror does something unique when it shows your reflection. The reflection it shows, while looking identical, actually reverses the object. If you are right-handed, your reflection is left-handed. Is your hair parted on the left? Theirs is parted on the right. So in other words a mirror is capable of showing both your identical “Synonym” and your opposite “Antonym” at the same time! It’s you, but it’s “opposite” you. I find that fascinating. If we are all “good” then we all have an “evil” twin in the mirror!

Given the above, lets get back to that idea I mentioned earlier.  What to do with our theme and how does it apply to the poem? Perhaps, not at all, but maybe, like this. In the 6th stanza there is the line “If you are brave and in the wood”.   I’m going to focus on “…in the wood”.  That phrase is akin to the common idiom “We’re not out of the woods yet!” which implies the speaker is still in danger or jeopardy. Logically then it follows that if you are “out of the woods” then you are no longer in danger. If I were to apply my theme at this point the opposite to “out of the woods” is “in the wood.” Logically then “in the wood” implies danger or jeopardy and maybe this is why we need to be brave. Perhaps the chest and treasure lie in a location that many would consider risky at first glance.

But “No, no!” you say.  Mr. Fenn has stated the chest is not in a dangerous place (MW:6Q w/FF:Over 5Y of TTOTC;Question #6).  He also goes on to state that anyplace can become dangerous. And I submit that his idea of “dangerous” is far different than what someone who is not familiar with mountains and the rivers has for “dangerous.”

I am not the person that asked the most recent Featured Question on the Mysterious Writings website where Mr. Fenn was asked about safe places, but his response and implication that no place is truly safe and his previous admonishments that excursions into the mountains requires prudence lends credence to my understanding of “…brave and in the wood”.

I have tried to not alter the poem, and only use what I found in the poem to try and understand a line.  I feel there are other interesting connections to discover using this theme of Mirrors/Reflections and Synonyms/Antonyms and will keep looking and thinking.

Ever Chasing,

Jason

Richard’s View of the Poem…

My view of the poem:

First four lines:  No clues just Forrest asking himself where he should hide his treasure

Begin it where warm waters halt: As discussed by everyone this is the hardest clue to decipher because it ultimately is your starting point. My view is that he is referencing warm water rivers and streams in New Mexico.  So you would want to look for the highest elevation where you find a warm water river.  This location would need to be at the entrance to a high elevation mountain canyon.

And take it in the canyon down: You wold follow the road into the canyon, and this road follow the floor of the canyon, and not be at the top or lip.  Again, this canyon would be above the elevation of the warm water river or stream you started at.

Not far, but too far too walk:  This is letting the reader know you should be in a car and expect a drive of a little distance.  My guess is something over 10 miles, not more than 30-50 miles.

Put in below the home of Brown: I feel this is a reference to a location where you could fish for Brown Trout.  I believe this because of the phrase “put in” a boating reference, and the word below, which you use when discussing locations along rivers and streams.  I think you would be parking your vehicle downstream from the fishing location for the trout.

From there it’s no place for the meek: I think this is a reference to let you know the hike will be a little tiring for some.  My idea is that you will be walking uphill and from my experience hiking at elevation is always a little taxing on me and my kids.

The end is ever drawing nigh: Fairly straightforward, you are close so don’t expect to be walking too terribly long.

There’ll be no paddle up your creek: This one references the fact that there will be a creek close by.  The first bit of information lets you know you will be walking against the stream and it means you will not be following the creek because of the next line

Just heavy loads and water high: Here in Oregon we have large number of logging roads in our federal and state forests.  So if you take the two sentences together it is saying there will be a creek close by, but follow the logging road instead.  Also, these logging roads here in Oregon all have gates to keep private vehicles off of them, I am not sure if they do that out there in New Mexico, but they do it a lot here.  So the road represents the heavy loads(logging truck cargos) and the fact it is close to the creek represents high water.  Logging roads here follow creeks as they wind through the mountains, but during high rains or spring melt off, the creeks crest their banks and the roads become impassable because of high water.  So maybe Forrest is saying that the road could take heavy loads (log trucks) or be covered in high water under the right conditions.

If you’ve been wise and found the blaze- Straight forward hiking reference to marking your trail.  From white marks on trees to barking them.  Could be a mark on rocks also but it is a hiking reference.

Look quickly down, your quest to cease:  My feeling is that because of the elevation you will be close to slope and he is saying look down over.

But tarry scant with marvel gaze- Don’t just wait and marvel at the beautiful view you see but get moving down the slope.  Again, I believe the blaze will be at a point where you would want to just take in the incredible view if you were on a normal hike.  Again, I believe the best vistas I have ever seen have been at elevation.

Just take the chest and go in peace- The chest should be visible from this location.  Personally, I think he left in the open on the slope, but not too far down because of his age and agility when he took it there..

The next four lines I don’t feel are clues, but more a statement to the reader.  Basically saying he knows why he has done it, and that it has tired him out.  Also could be a reference to his age.

The last stanza has two more clues which I think are very important to identifying if you are looking in the right area

So hear me all and listen good- No clue
Your effort will be worth the cold-  I believe this is a reference to the cold at elevation.  I have hiked a lot of the Cascades and I can say that at elevation it is always cool, and as early as fall can be downright cold.  I do not believe it is a reference to being in a cold water stream, rather that you are high up and it is cold up there.

If you are brave and in the wood- I believe this is Forrest telling the reader you must be in a forest to find this treasure.  So you that is why I think you must be at elevation and in a forest.

I give you title to the gold: If you are cold and in the forest you get the gold.

 Conclusion
I know that the starting point is the key, but Forrest has also said to move with confidence.  So I think it is reasonable to use what I have said to look at map and cross reference to see if there are locations to fit what I have said.  You know New Mexico much better than I do, and you would know if any of what I have said makes sense or is plausible.  I will  never be able to be there around Santa Fe to look for myself, but you have put in a lot of effort and if any of this helps, more power to you.  Also, a lot of the logging roads may not appear on maps so you have to have knowledge of the area and which areas had been logged in the past.

I am not very creative and just thought I would take this poem as a straight forward, although vague, attempt at a treasure map.  My Dad was a fighter pilot like Forrest and he was always fairly direct.  So  I think a straight forward simple approach would probably be best, and Forrest’s actual intent.  Just my humble opinion.

Good luck and stay safe on your travels.
Richard

Forrest Gets Mail – 10

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Forrest answering questions in email from a journalist in Arizona. You may have heard some or all of these Q/A before…but worth repeating.

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Why did you hide a treasure? You need to read my Thrill of the Chase book wherein that question is answered in some detail

What’s in this treasure box? That question is also answered in my book, but the quick answer is: 265 gold coins, mostly American double eagles and eagles. Hundreds of gold nuggets, two the size of hen eggs, hundreds of rubies, 8 emeralds, 2 Ceylon sapphires, many diamonds, 2 ancient Chinese jade carvings, a 2,000 year old Sinu and Tairona necklace, Pre-Columbian gold bracelets and fetishes, and more.

Do you believe the treasure it still buried or have any of the people who claim to have found it actually found it? I have never said it was buried. I said it was hidden. Many have claimed to have found it, but none could provide evidence. It is still hidden.

Of course, he (my editor) has no idea that no one — besides you, I guess — knows where the treasure is. It is not that easy. It is not easy, but it is not impossible.

Having said that, if you were me — an enterprising reporter interested in following a trail to your treasure — where would you suggest I go? I suggest you go to my poem in the book and read it a few times. All of the necessary clues are there.

Is this hidden spot near your home? I don’t know how close near is. To an ant a mud puddle can be an ocean.

Is it in New Mexico, even? Not talking about that.

Is it dangerous for a hiker to set out looking for the treasure alone? A hiker should never go into the mountains or the wilderness alone. It is not in a treacherous place.