The Case for Hyde Park…

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MAY 2016
by dal…

 

I call it Hyde Park for short but its proper name is Hyde Memorial State Park

Many searchers feel that Forrest must have hidden Indulgence in New Mexico. There are more than a few logical reasons why this could be true. The number one argument for New Mexico appears to be that it is the State where Forrest lives, and if he were to head out from home to hide his box of goodies,  not having to travel far would make it easier for him to escape and return unnoticed. He would probably not raise a single eyebrow among those in his immediate family if he were only gone for a few hours, many advocates of the New Mexico dogma point out.

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Although I was once a follower of the “New Mexico creed”, I have since moved on. But ever since Cynthia announced that Fennboree 2016 would be held in Hyde Memorial State Park, Just about 8.2 miles northeast of Santa Fe I started thinking how clever it would be for Forrest to hide his treasure in a place called Hyde Park. So, I spent a little time looking into this place.

First of all, Hyde Park is in the Sangre de Cristo range of the southeastern most extension of the Rocky Mountains. I am not the only person who believes this. The United States Geological Survey states this on their Rocky Mountain geographical description website. As does just about every other reliable organization that talks about the southern Rocky Mountains. In fact, Hyde Memorial State Park is just about 25 miles north of the absolute southern limit of the Rockies.

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The park is situated on 340 acres between 8,400ft and 9,440ft elevation.

I believe that calling Hyde State Park NORTH of Santa Fe is a stretch. It’s more East than anything…but none-the-less, when I draw an east/west line on a map through Santa Fe…Hyde Park falls well north of that line.

Okay…so we’ve got a place on public land, not far from Forrest’s home, in the Rocky Mountains, potentially north of Santa Fe and in the possible elevation range with an interesting name that could be associated with a clever hiding place…What else ya got?

I got B. T B. Hyde…

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The park is named after Benjamin Talbot Babbitt Hyde, known as “Uncle Bennie” or “B.T.” or B. T. Hyde”. It turns out that Bennie was passionate about making sure kids had an opportunity to learn about and explore the outdoors…sound familiar?

Bennie was an original thinker and amassed a fortune by taking an ordinary product and thinking differently about how to market it…sound familiar?

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Bennie’s product was soap…bar soap. He was the first to manufacture and market soap in individual bars. Babbitt’s Best Soap was a colossal hit. He was the first manufacturer to give public tours of his factories so families could appreciate the cleanliness of his plant and the pureness of his product. He was also one of the first to give away free samples. He was willing to take chances with marketing his products and it almost always paid off. His soap became such a household staple that Babbitt was touted as a marketing genius…sound familiar?

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Babbitt often told this story at speaking engagements:
“I met a young shoeshine boy with the name B. T. Babbitt. When I told the boy my name was also B. T. Babbitt, the surprised boy said, ‘Lawd mister, did your momma get your name off a soap box too?'”

Benjamin Talbot Babbitt Hyde and his brother Frederick E. Hyde, Jr. were amateur anthropologists…sound familiar?

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They financed an expedition in the winter of 1893-1894 to excavate the cliff dwelling civilization in Pueblo Bonito. In addition to the cliff dwellers, evidence of an earlier “Basketmaking” civilization was discovered beneath the canyon floor. The finds were substantial, including thousands of cylindrical pottery vases unique to this site, turquoise, flutes, baskets, and human remains…sound familiar?

There is also an intriguing connection between the Hyde brothers and Richard Weatherill’s work at Mesa Verde.

Uncle Bennie was always interested in educating children about the outdoors and when he retired in 1927 he moved to Santa Fe and started The Children’s Nature Foundation on a large ranch near Tesuque. He often lectured on snakes, poisonous and non-poisonous which he usually brought with him in a suitcase. He argued that, in fact, snakes were man’s best friend, not dogs.

Since then, the foundation has purchased and set aside hundreds of mountainside acres for public use. The 350 acre Hyde Park property was donated to the State in 1934 for the sole purpose of creating New Mexico’s first State Park. Which finally happened in 1938.

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Well…okay, but is there a blaze?

Depends… One possible blaze is a waterfall in the park on the Little Tesuque Creek that runs thru the park. But the creek is intermittent at that point and derives its flow from snowmelt. The waterfall is often missing any water to fall. But that would not be the only blaze possibility.

What about Brown and meek and etc. etc…

Well…actually, I have found some curious places in and around the park…that are very interesting…and, of course the park itself is not far, but too far to walk from an exciting location where warm waters halt.

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I am not saying that this is the place…I’m only thinking out loud that it’s a REMOTE possibility…but I’ll be snooping around and you might just want to do a little research before you show up for Fennboree 2016….

Just my opinion…of course…
No one else would have this opinion but me…

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Jeremy Does Forrest Three……

Please Note:
This is a parody solve, intended for entertainment purposes only. Any resemblance to an actual solve is purely coincidental. Forrest didn’t actually say these things. Merry Christmas everyone!
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About the Artist
Jeremy Parnell is a searcher from Lexington, Kentucky, who joined the chase in 2015. He works as a software developer for the national governing body of equestrian sports by day, and pursues an interest in art, philosophy, and puzzle solving in his free time. You can find him at http://jeremyparnell.com where he infrequently posts art, photos, and random thoughts.

New Homes for Lucca’s Dolls…

Did you get a Lucca Comfort Doll?

Here we will post pics of Lucca’s Dolls in their new home.
Pose him/her in a cool setting, send us a photo and tell us a little about your doll..

HERE'S NONI She smells like Pumpkin Spice....since getting her in the mail I've had to buy a pumpkin pie at Walmart! LOL I think she might be looking for the treasure!" IronWill

HERES NONI
She smells like Pumpkin Spice….since getting her in the mail I’ve had to buy a pumpkin pie at Walmart! LOL
I think she might be looking for the treasure!”
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My doll from Lucca... She is the sweetest thing ever her name is Holly: You can see from the card that came with her she really wanted a pair of ballet shoes... I could not bring myself to draw on her so I crocheted her a pair instead! I think she likes them what do you think? Spallies

HERE’S HOLLY
She is the sweetest thing ever. You can see from the card that came with her she really wanted a pair of ballet shoes… I could not bring myself to draw on her so I crocheted her a pair instead!
I think she likes them what do you think?
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This is Agatha. She moved in a couple days ago and immediately started reading all my reference material on the chest. We have plans to look together in the spring. dal-

This is Agatha. She moved in a couple days ago and immediately started reading all my reference material on the chest. We have plans to look together in the spring.
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The thing about Agatha is that she doesn't have to sleep ski she can search all night and all day. She is relentless. She says she has some good ideas where we should look. dal-

The thing about Agatha is that she doesn’t have to sleep. She can search all night and all day. She is relentless. She says she has some good ideas where we should look.
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The thing about Agatha is that she is very opinionated. She thinks Forrest looks silly in that hat and after she read on the blog all the places I've looked, she told me I am delusional. Agatha has an attitude. :-) dal-

Agatha is very opinionated. She thinks Forrest looks silly in that hat and after she read on the blog all the places I’ve looked, she told me I am delusional. Agatha has an attitude. 🙂
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My name is Fallan. I smell like lavender. I like to run barefoot through puddles after it rains. She wouldn't let me play in the puddle,so I played in her lavender instead. Onuat.

My name is Fallan.
I smell like lavender. I like to run barefoot through puddles after it rains.
She wouldn’t let me play in the puddle,so I played in her lavender instead.
Onuat.

Lucca's doll came yest. I made some moccasins for him and sewed on the silver Milagro Forrest gave my mom during her final days of battling cancer. Jesse said it's name is "Bam-Bam". Jesse fell right to sleep snuggling Bam-Bam. I think my flash disturbed him, by the sour look on his face! Will you please post this pic on Lucca's page? Thank you for all you do! Respectfully, Donna and Jesse/Bam-Bam

Lucca’s doll came yest. I made some moccasins for him and sewed on the silver Milagro Forrest gave my mom during her final days of battling cancer.
Jesse said it’s name is “Bam-Bam”.
Jesse fell right to sleep snuggling Bam-Bam. I think my flash disturbed him, by the sour look on his face!
Will you please post this pic on Lucca’s page?
Thank you for all you do!
Respectfully,
Donna and Jesse/Bam-Bam

Hi! Our names are Peach (left), and Daffodil (right). We are wearing Peggy and Lucca ' s recycled clothes. Look at Peaches pretty rainbow braids and Daffodils treasure pocket! We were supposed to move to new homes, but we'll be staying here. Happy Holidays! :-) jdiggins

Hi! Our names are Peach (left), and Daffodil (right). We are wearing Peggy and Lucca ‘ s recycled clothes. Look at Peaches pretty rainbow braids and Daffodils treasure pocket! We were supposed to move to new homes, but we’ll be staying here. Happy Holidays!
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I received two dolls from Lucca and i love both of them. One is named Rose and the other Riley. I'm giving one to my grandchild that is a scheduled to arrive in February 2016. The other doll, Riley, was taken to Five Acres in Altadena, California to comfort a child in need. I will miss Riley, but i know she will help calm a child in need. Rose on the left and Riley on the right. Rose-

I received two dolls from Lucca and I love both of them. One is named Rose and the other Riley. I’m giving one to my grandchild that is a scheduled to arrive in February 2016. The other doll, Riley, was taken to Five Acres in Altadena, California to comfort a child in need. I will miss Riley, but i know she will help calm a child in need.
Rose on the left and Riley on the right.
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If you’d like to get your own Lucca Comfort Doll check them out on Forrest’s website

http://www.oldsantafetradingco.com/store/comfort-dolls

 

Jeremy Does Forrest Two……

 

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About the Artist
Jeremy Parnell is a searcher from Lexington, Kentucky, who joined the chase in 2015. He works as a software developer for the national governing body of equestrian sports by day, and pursues an interest in art, philosophy, and puzzle solving in his free time. You can find him at http://jeremyparnell.com where he infrequently posts art, photos, and random thoughts.

Lucca’s Dolls…

 

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This just in. Forrest’s granddaughter Lucca is making dolls and selling them on Forrest’s web site. She wanted to make a special toy for her 2 year-old daughter, and everyone liked it so much Lucca decided to keep making them. She is a one person operation and Forrest has already purchased five. Check it out.

http://www.oldsantafetradingco.com/store/comfort-dolls

See the dolls in their new homes

http://dalneitzel.com/2015/12/03/more_luccas-dolls/

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A Subtle Hint?……

A Subtle Hint?

By Sacha J

As some of you know, Forrest held a book signing on Saturday, November 14th, at the site of his former residence, the Nedra Matteucci Galleries.  I am a New Mexico local, and have always wanted to see the galleries, so I took the excuse to go.  Something happened during my trip, which I have decided to share with all of you.

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The building is quite prominent, and takes up an entire corner in Santa Fe.  The sculpture gardens are absolutely breathtaking.  According to Forrest, it is 2.5 acres, and that is a lot of space in the busiest part of Santa Fe.  There was art on every wall, including in the restrooms.  One restroom had enough old tools and horse bridles hanging from the ceiling and walls to fill a blacksmith’s shop.  Forrest told us that he collected each and every one of those items on his own, with the help of a metal detector.  He seemed very proud of that.

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While I was taking in all the art, I ran into a few other searchers.  I ran into Cynthia, Barb, and Crowfeast,  and a few others whose names I can’t remember.  Some of us got there early enough, and we were lucky to get a personal tour of some of the property from Forrest.

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He showed us trees that he had planted, which started out as small around as a marker, which now had trunks so large that Forrest could have hidden behind one and not been seen.

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He showed us what vigas are, and a beam with 17th century Spanish carvings still on it.  He showed us his old foundry, where he used to pour his bronzes.  It has been converted to fireplace, but you can still see the vent that Forrest used.

Forrest continued the tour indoors, where he showed us where the original building ended.  It is now very much an indoor space, but the original wooden doors that led outside are still there.  Forrest wanted to show us all his work on the doors.  He led us into the building, and then slammed the large wooden doors closed, making people on the other side a bit nervous.  Then, he lifts a large piece of wood and slams it into the iron holders, almost knocking a painting off the wall in the process.  Everyone stood in awe at Forrest, as he told us how he added the little iron details so that no one could saw through the wooden beam.  He then lifted the beam away, and accidentally knocked a pad lock onto the floor.  “I am gonna bring the place down if I am not careful,” he says.  Forrest replaced the giant wooden slat where he found it, and opened the large doors.  The look of relief from the gallery employees and the people on the other side of the door was priceless.

It was quite an entertaining time, but I have saved the most important part for last.  It is what I think may be one of Forrest’s subtle hints.  While Forrest was showing us the old foundry, I noticed a John Moyers painting in the corner.

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However, it is different than the one in Forrest’s recent scrapbook post.  The one in the foundry is of a Native American standing, holding a blanket.  However, the person in this painting is facing a different direction and is wearing a different blanket than the one in the image Forrest used.  Cynthia, Barb, and I are standing there, when suddenly, Forrest points to that very Moyers painting and says “There it is.  That is the one from my scrapbook.”  Cynthia, Barb, and I immediately recognize that it is not the same painting, and have a brief discussion about it. I laugh and tell them that Forrest is pulling their legs, and he is enjoying seeing us all in a tissy over it.  But, as I came home and thought about it more, I think it was Forrest dropping a subtle hint.  And, in the spirit of the impending holidays, I decided to share it all with you.

You can see the Moyers painting for yourself in person, at the Nedra Mattucci Gallery in Santa Fe.  You can also visit the following website to see many of Moyers’ works: http://www.matteucci.com/contemporary-artists/john-moyers/

Someone suggested that Forrest may have forgotten which painting he used in the scrapbook, but I don’t believe that for a minute.  Forrest has not proven to be forgetful.  But, I can’t say I know what the subtle hint is, if one does indeed exist.  I suppose that is up to each of you to decide.

Sasha J

Invisible Ink Gremlins……

Pages submitted by Jamie from Eric Sloane’s book “Gremlins Americanus” published in the ’40s, during WWII,  which actually used invisible ink in the printing process…

So..it appears it is possible to mass produce a book with invisible ink..

Could Forrest have done the same in his books??? Maybe the keyword is invisible. Maybe the nine clues are invisible…Naah!!…

 

 

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Jeremy Does Forrest……

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About the Artist
Jeremy Parnell is a searcher from Lexington, Kentucky, who joined the chase in 2015. He works as a software developer for the national governing body of equestrian sports by day, and pursues an interest in art, philosophy, and puzzle solving in his free time. He’s a self-described “geek”, loves comics, and “knew all the Marvel characters even before the movies”. One day a friend challenged him to draw a story. A couple of glasses of bourbon later, and this was the result. You can find him at http://jeremyparnell.com where he infrequently posts art, photos, and random thoughts.

Searching with an i-phone…

Just checking in here as one of those thousands of people who have read this blog and Forrest’s essays but haven’t spoken about my own hunt.

… And to tell you a quick story that I hope will make you chuckle.

I live in the Yellowstone area, and while I haven’t chased the clues as much as I should living so close, I do enjoy thinking about the poem as I hike, drive and take photos in the area.

Which brings me to my story.

I was driving home after having hiked to Grizzly Lake one afternoon recently, and I found myself pondering the poem. I couldn’t remember the words, so I spoke a command to Siri on my iPhone and asked her to “recite the Forrest Fenn poem to me.”

Well, the first time I asked, Siri must have misinterpreted my words and just decided to “recite a poem,” so she made one up:

“Oh freddled gruntbuggly
Thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid…
Oh, even I can’t listen to this anymore.”

I laughed at having found a hilarious iPhone “Easter Egg” and tried one more time, changing the directions a little:

“Siri, recite Forest Fenn Treasure Hunt poem for me.”

She replied:

“Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Haven’t you got
Anything better to do?”

I never was able to get the phone to recite the real treasure hunt poem for me, but I got a long giggle out of my failed attempts and hope that you will, too.

As for the portion of Siri’s response about “Haven’t you anything better to do?” I can honestly answer, no, I’m afraid that hiking around mountains, lakes and forests (and maybe stumbling onto a literal treasure during my explorations some day) is something I consider one of my best uses for spare time.

For the record, when I have pored over maps to make the clues fit, the need to look at the maps differently has allowed me to rediscover some of the history, geology and geography that surround me. Most of my the X’s on my maps don’t necessarily fit the clues; they just look like great places to explore that will (gratefully) get me further off the beaten path.

For yet one more bonus in all of this: I went with my mother on a day trip through Yellowstone two days ago to wildlife watch, leaf peep and catch a geyser eruption or two. She drove, so I recited the poem and told her about the search. [Her first instincts put the Treasure somewhere around the Firehole Drive or Ojo Caliente, in case you are interested. Those were two of my first thoughts when I first read the poem last year.]

The next day, Mom said,”I’m not so sure this treasure hunt thing is a good idea — I was up past midnight thinking about it.” Today, she’s been learning to use the satellite views on Google maps so she can test her theories. Pretty awesome.

Thank you all for sharing information and stories. Thank you, Forrest for the spark.

Cindy

Eleven Clues…

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Last summer the Travel Channel shot an episode of Expedition Unknown with Josh Gates on our favorite treasure hunt. I’ve been waiting for them to announce its air time. This is what I found in their season rundown:

 

 

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FINDING FENN’S FORTUNE
Premieres Wednesday, November 18 at 9:00 p.m. ET/PT
An eccentric art dealer stashed a $3 million treasure somewhere in the Rocky Mountains and then released 11 clues to its location. The most amazing part? He’s still alive. Josh Gates is granted a rare interview with the puppet master behind this high-stakes game, and then joins America’s brightest treasure hunters who are racing to the riches.

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So I guess I’m going to have to tune-in just so I can find out a couple things:
1. What the other two clues are
2. Who America’s brightest treasure hunters are
3. Who the puppet master’s puppets are
4. Why it’s amazing he’s still alive
5. Why it’s a “high stakes game” if it doesn’t cost anything to play

I dunno…but it sounds like they got the guy who sold me that aluminum siding to write their promotional copy and didn’t bother giving him any facts to start with..

If you want to read it for yourself:
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