Scrapbook Twenty-three…


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Forrest sent these without explanation a few minutes ago. Where in the blazes are these? I know what some of you are thinking but I am not sure…

(Stephanie is busy digging out her old photos to compare…)

My favorite is the running guy with the bike helmet and what appears to be a spike on his back..perhaps he’s running from a bear in Yellowstone…

Different fonts for the “f”..

and they definitely look like they could have been around for  three/four years…


Okay…you guys have figured this out…congrats…

I’m going to repeat what your sleuthing has revealed…

Forrest sent those pics this morning. 

You got the date of the photos correct…he took them yesterday.

You probably got the time of day that he took the photos correct..even though the clock on his camera was inaccurate…

You saw the stucco wall in the back correctly.

You got the location correctly…Forrest’s backyard.

You matched that “F” to both the YouTube video and the earlier photo taken with my Canon 7D.

You saw that I resized them in Photoshop on my Mac.

You guys are good..

But what we don’t know is WHY he sent them…

He has always given me some sort of caption for the photos he has sent…until these…

But I don’t think we’ll know why he sent them until the treasure is found…the blaze is found…

Is this a hint..or just a test of everyone’s sleuthing ability..?

I do not know…


557 thoughts on “Scrapbook Twenty-three…

  1. Well the guy running looks like a figure I saw on a photo of a brass thing that was dug up…now wear in the blazes did I see that photot…when I find it I’ll let you know…

  2. Oh my gosh I love the running man so much!!! That’s so cool. Forrest could have easily made it as an artist too if that’s his handy work. Is it fair that he has so many talents and some of us have zippo? LOL….I have the gift of gab…that’s about it. I also had a thought…is Forrest watching us? I feel so exposed on these comments now all the sudden *teasing*

    • I feel like he’s throwing us a bone. This must mean something. I recall seeing a photo on a site with some brass items that had been dug up, with the image of the running man on them. I just can’t for the life of me remember where I saw them…
      Don’t worry Steph, were all exposed here…:)

      • LOL Jeremiah. I like that Forrest would be hanging around.
        So you think the running man might be a clue huh? So maybe your not taking a car at all…it’s too far to walk, but if you run it’s not? Maybe it’s Forrest’s artistic rendition of Dal running to get the chest.
        I don’t know what brass items your talking about *curious*

        • Steph, as sure as I love “The Walking Dead” I will find those photos I saw…This weekend I had like, 23 windows on my computer as I scurried through evidence in hopes of finding something..Those brass items that had been dug up were on a page I stupidly discarded…I will find it…

    • THe “running man” is being “chased”. Or is he involved in the “thrill of the chase”?

    • Glorieta is south of Santa Fe, I believe. I’m not sure if he would hide the treasure so close to Santa Fe, either. We also don’t know for sure if this is near the treasure because, unless he recently went back to look if the treasure was still there, he hasn’t seen the treasure since he hid it.

  3. I doubt Forrest would be so bold as to show a photo of the area the treasure is in, but I would like to think of it as a friendly reminder that were on to something…thanks Forest…
    Hey Steph, did you find any photos relating to the pics Forrest put up…???

  4. Is that not a poplar or Birch tree? Also those are two different F’s so there are many trees marked with this F out there. I remember last week seeing an interview with Forrest that showed another tree like this with FF on it….Do these trees live in Yellowstone?

  5. Hey guys, my hubby is an arborist and says these are aspens, which grow at 5,000-11,000 ft.

    • That makes sense given he said it is above 5,000 feet, if this is near where he hid it.

    • If I may add to that, those trees are not in a thick copse of aspen, and although it’s hard to tell from a 2-d image, the lands seems fairly level in the near background. Now assuming that the general consensus about a blaze is correct, this will be the primary blaze that I will be looking for – although I haven’t totally ruled out Adam’s secret theory, nor a few more of my own.

  6. Dal I’m not sure if he/she could run from a bear with a spike in his/her back LOL

  7. Sorry, looks like I spoke too soon! One of the pictures shows the bark peeling, which does not occur with aspens. I only showed my hubby one picture at first but when I showed him more he said it is a birch,most likely paper birch.

  8. Birches do well where there is moist soil and cooler summers. They are native to the Northeast/nw. I know they grow in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana,etc. There are huge poulations of them in Alaska. This might be a big clue. Think about what state we can rule out.

      • Hey dogfrog, the theory as I understand it is that blaze can mean a lot of different things. However, when one is on the trail it’s an indication that you made it to the next marker.

  9. @ john paul, yes they do look like the aspens in his backyard. Look at the youtube video part 1.

  10. They definitely look different than the Fs that Stephan found…see the post…”Stephan finds a Blaze…”

      • Limitations of this blog are that it only lists the last 50 posts on my blog. To see ALL the posts you have to go to the root…here:
        Wait for it to load up all 80 posts and then scroll down. There are two related to Stephan and his blaze..
        I need to figure out a way for it to list all the posts..
        I’ll work on that…

    • Question for you Dal and anybody else….Has anyone sugested that the 9 clues are directly related to the 9 sentences in the Poem? Just a thought. Each Sentence that makes up the 6 stanzas could be a clue to be deciphered…..”Put in below the home of Brown” in the poem is it’s own sentence. He also uses a ? and a ; for two other lines. Just a thought.

  11. quaking aspens are a type of poplar tree – and Glorieta canyon is right under Thompson peak – not south – east of Santa Fe – and the Ski Basin is North east – aspens are all over the area. including my front yard 🙂 that little running man – he’s running to the treasure!

    • Those trees are birch trees, not aspens because they are peeling like the “paper birch.” Are birches found in those places, I’m not very good with trees.

  12. I know that aspens can be found in Yellowstone, but I don’t know about birches. They look very similar- wish we could see leaves in the picture to be sure.

  13. I’m pretty sure they are aspens. The one peeling in the background may be ill at ease. The outer white layer of aspen trees is its living layer and is capable of photosynthesis. As a result, when scratched or carved, the wounds will turn black.

  14. In the youtube video they show a close up of the “F” at 2:23. Maybe just practicing for the BLAZE.

  15. The man could symbolize someone biking close to the treasure but then having to run/walk the rest of the way perhaps from something blocking him/her.

  16. Also it doesn’t look like that is near a path, unless the path is behind whoever took the picture and can’t be seen.

    • I like your line of reasoning, john paul! Verdict is still out on whether or not they are birch or aspen, but one thing is certain – they are not in a copse of aspen, they are thinned out. Am I using that word right, “copse”? Oh well, I know what meek is! LOL!

      • Birch trees have a whiter skin that the trees shown. Those are, what we call up noth, Polar trees…..or what people call in the west Quaking Aspen.

  17. Red herring….somebody must be getting close! : )

    Pretty interesting with no writing…just the pictures.

  18. I’m going to laugh if he’s just sending pictures that other people have sent him. Haha! He’s so sneaky! I bet there are a lot of F blazes out there left by so many random people throughout the past. Hmmmm……can’t wait to hear if he sends anything else! 🙂

  19. Thankfully (!), no gps coordinates are embedded in the picture.
    Although the trees were 26, 27 and 29 cm. away from the camera….
    A simple program, called an exif viewer, can shows all the embedded info in any jpg….
    Careful Forrest, don’t inadvertently spill the…. coins!!

    • I think Forrest knows what info is embedded in those photos and I think he sent them for a reason. But heck!..I don’t know the reason…maybe it will be revealed later…

        • Did I not read somewhere that Forrest is not big into technology so if this is true he will not be aware of all this stuff or he will not be editing anything

    • Three photos – Just a guess – Visual coordinates – NNW.
      Purely inspired by the light source of each photo.

  20. The pics hav also been edited in photoshop cs5 on a MAC today about 12:30 ish… I don’t buy these pics…

  21. First picture looks to be in his front yard as you can faintly make out the stuccoed wall (I’ve been there before). I’d guess they all were in his yard. One juniper/cedar tree appears to be trimmed at the bottom. Also, the area is fairly flat and mixed with juniper/cedars trees, not typical climate for them to mix. But why would he send them is the big question?

  22. or an amature kokopelli you could carve it in a peel off the bark around it..

    dal the reality is I will never get out there to look so is this the place to share my clues so you personally can use them to look?

  23. Looking at the man running photo, it depicts to me a person running over something. Note the line below the persons feet. The glyph can also depict a direction of travel.

      • I wouldn’t count anything as not being purposeful. Not saying that it was, but I would never rule that out just because it seems like it might be. So how about we discuss what that line might mean? Just incase? For some reason I thought I read on here that someone thought it could be a symbol for water, but I can’t find it now.

  24. Here is my theory: It was an exercise. Some of the searching areas are unreachable at the moment. We needed something to get that itch flared up so that when the season is ripe we can hit the ground running so to speak…. my .02

  25. Kelly-
    You are probably right…
    I recognized that the photos were from his yard when he sent them this morning. I am certain Stephanie did too. I studied them very carefully when I was at his house. I took the photo of that “F” with my old 7D the first time I visited him. I am sure others who have visited him have done the same. They are Aspen trees. He has many in his yard most do not have carvings. Some do. I talked about this on an earlier blog but once you see those carvings you cannot help but feel those must be what he means by “blaze”…yet there is the issue of permanency. That is to say, if he expects the poem to still be serviceable 100 years from now the blaze has got to be something more substantial than a bark carving…
    But the truth is…as someone smarter than me already pointed out this can work this stuff way to much…
    If you figure out the basic spot and you start hoofing around in it, sooner or later you will see the blaze…whatever it is..and look directly down…

    • I figured out there is a trail that runs along Nez Perce Creek, which feeds cold water into Firehole River. The trail is a bit long but has a burned down forest near it. It’s very unlikely this is the right place as it is missing the other clues but could the blaze be a burned area?

      • go for it dogfrog – what’s the worse that can happen. You get outside, get some exercise and see some awesome country side?

        • I would’s just I’m afraid if I go and it’s not there, my parents won’t be willing to invest even more money to try a different spot so I don’t want to ruin my chances with a far chance. You know what I mean?

    • I don’t Know about you Dal, Steph, Bob, Chad, Kelly, Dogfrog….but it seems that we’ve sort of formed a team, with almost superhero like perportions….Perhaps only together, can we do this, perhaps, like the avengers…we must join forces to concur….Except our symbol with be a F with a circle around it…
      or perhaps I am very tired and need to sleep.
      I still think that the real clues are the 9 sentences that make up the entire poem…each entence is a clue….my two cents….

      • I think you are correct about each sentence being a separate clue. Even though it appears that some sentences hold more than one clue. I think Forrest comes up with nine because of the sentence structure. I think you nailed that one.

      • Jeremiah it would be nice to be part of a team. As far as being super hero’s, Ahh I am not feeling very super right now. As for the other replies here I see something and it might be interesting to take a look at. I wonder if it is as simple as rearranging the sentences in the poem…. After all we have the clue to start in the middle of the poem.

        • Chad: It could be as simple as rearanging the sentences..I am convinced that the key is the 9 sentences that make up the poem. That corralates to the 9 clues and I do no think that that is a coicidence…(horrible spelling sorry)
          I think each sentence is a decodable clue. Even “Put in belown the home of Brown.” which forrest made sure was it’s own sentence in the poem.
          Forrest also said that nobody would happen upon the treasure and that the person who finds it will have studdied the poem over and over. He made it clear that all you need is the poem.
          This is an exerpt from Forrest as well as the link to it.

          Forrest–“The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with confidence. Nothing about it will be accidental. T. S. Eliot said:

          We shall not cease from our exploration
          And at the end of all our exploring
          Will be to arrive where we started
          And know the place for the first time”

          I think that he is saying that all you need is the poem and at the end of it all you will come full circle back to the poem…..
          The key is to decode each sentence….

          • Working on it now and I have made some progress. All one has to do is understand what some of the clues are pointing to. One in particular has a straight forward meaning. Once I have an analysis of the rest I will supply it in it’s entirety. Seeing that I can not afford to make a trip to the location.

          • Chad: Likewise I will do the same. I am going to sleep on it now…let my unconcious work what I have been thinking on. Talk to all of you soon….

      • Who else will drive the F-Mobiel. Well I’m a former Marine Infantry-man, two tours to Iraq to I guess that makes me the arrogant youth with the troubled past. I’ll say things like, “It’s sleuthing time,” and “you messed with the wrong sleuthers.” I’ll say this when we run into competitive pirates. I seriously think they could make a reality tv show with us hunting for this treasure…..Anybody know any tv producers….
        We can call it, “The Hunt for Forrest’s Treasure.” Prime time reports….

      • Oh, grasshopper. You are wise to follow the poem. All clues survive there. You need only make them send you to the perfect location.

    • I believe the treasure is marked by a blaze but it probably is not marked on a tree. I live in New Mexico and we have been uder a drought situation for several years. If he blazed a tree and with as many forest fires we have had in the past 3 or 4 years, one fire in the area where the tree is blazed and then it would be gone forever. So I think the blaze is marked on something more permanant than a tree. Also if you are walking along in the boonies and are watching where you walk or you are on the other side of a tree with a blaze,you would miss the blaze. When I was out searching I told Forrest that there were so many trees and downed trees in the canyon that I was in I would have missed a tree blaze unless it was like a small billboard size. Also one lightening strike on a blazed tree and it would be gone, if not during the stike but then after the tree dies. What I think he is telling us from the pictures is this is the blaze to look for where ever that may be.

      • I agree. I read somewhere that Forrest said the chest may have been effected by water and fire. With all of the fires in the last few years how could a mark be left on a tree confidently that it would not be burnt down. Did I see a picture of an animal in Forrest’s yard that had been taken with a motion sensor camera? Maybe Forrest is monitoring the spot and he knows it is still there.

        • The blaze itself is not indestructible. That can be said. However, I believe that a summation of what he said is that he believes the chest could be affected by fire or water or earthquake, etc. (but not really destroyed), although he has chosen his site carefully to try to avoid as much as possible.
          As far as the blaze itself goes, it could rejuvenate itself, and in a way, it probably already has.

  26. agreed dal.
    I have an hour ride to work everyday and so far ever since the fenn bug bit me. I’ve been wondering what a blaze would look like during that ride. IMHO – Either 1 or 2 things have to happen during the chase.

    1) you have to know prior to “putting in’ what the blaze would be
    2) the blaze has to be so unique that there would be no doubt when discovered.

    The thing that has been really bothering me is the thought of the timing of discovery. Meaning: Do we have to be on the hunt a certain time of the day or week or month or season (“worth the cold”) to actually see the blaze. If so how do we figure that piece out or am I just over thinking and its just simple follow the clues and go pick the darn thing up… What do ya think?

    • I have heard others talk at length about the “cold” issue. I have considered an ice cave or a cold stream and other possibilities. It’s like the blaze for me. I am certain I will recognize it when I find it…but I cannot predict what it will be until I am there and see that I have finally found the right spot. So I am little help…but really and truly, I do not believe you can figure this out completely using Google Earth. You have to get out there to see how everything looks. Gotta taste it and smell it before I can decide if I am in the right place. So far..28 places have failed that final test..only the very first spot I ever went to “felt” right..I keep looking tough…

        • deb-
          Are you saying I don’t have to get off my couch and go look for it? Do you think Forrest was saying you will find the chest without heading outside and looking around? I don’t understand your comment.

        • Hi Debbie

          You know what..? I do actually believe that you know more than some think they know you know ..if you know what I mean..

          (he soon realises, in trying to sound all cryptic, he only succeeds in sounding more like Inspector Clouseau – he wisely reminds himself to keep his day job)

          Any plans to search?

  27. So I’m driving home tonight and listening to NPR and as I drive off the ferry I hear Forrest’s voice on my radio. It’s an interview on the CBC radio show called “As It Happens”. It was pretty fun…
    That show is an international radio program produced by the CBC in Toronto and airing in the USA on some NPR stations..
    They tried to wiggle an extra clue out of him but couldn’t..

  28. dal,
    28 places woah… dedicated. I bet you found 28 great places to hide a treasure HA! google earth is a great tool, but I’ve been purposely avoiding its bias views until the appropriate moment. I plan on taking the family out to Yellowstone. that’s where my 4 kids (8,6,4,2) think its at. They have a treasure hunt to solve, but once that’s over I’m going to head out on my yet to be purchased motorcycle and find me some gold…. Where? I have NO idea yet. I’m going try the “my imagination over knowlege” approach for my 1st official hunt. I just hope no one finds the loot until I at least get my trip done.. that would be a bummer.

    By the way great blog – lots of great work done here. I’ve enjoyed your thrill of the hunt experiences. I was reading your Janice and Ray story and by the end I almost literally fell out of my chair laughing. My coworkers had to ask me what was going on and if I was ok… Great Great story… and I agree with you T-Bone & Lobster next time… 🙂

    thank you for making this available for everyone – truly a gem

  29. Can’t you tell that running man is Forrest, running from all the people asking him for clues?

    The only thing I would like to know is “Did you arrive at the spot the same way the clues lead us there?” Because I can’t see Forrest getting to the area I’m thinking of via the path the poem would lead me down. (and I certainly wouldn’t take my 5 year old on that one.) There is however a less treacherous trail. One that a “meek” person would be more willing to dare.

      • jwhal that is a great quote. I think I am going to have to steal that one for future use!

        • Anyone else read, no place for meek as being in water?. Meek inherit earth(land) + no place (land)= water.

          • I think it’s wonderful that people can see so many different things in Forrest’s poem. That’s perhaps the way good poetry should be. And it is a beautiful poem no matter how one reads it.
            Regardless of him perhaps thinking of himself as merely a “trader” of art, I think he is much more. (Perhaps we all are.)
            And with regards to the treasure, I believe his reference to “not” meek implies something other than you have suggested.

  30. I think it’s common knowledge that all places have more than one approach. My guess is that Forrest took his car to the place and parked within 500 feet of where he hid the treasure. But the poem’s directions take a different route to get there. A much more adventurous route. You’ll need to figure out where the place is so you can drive to it too…and then look for the final two clues when you arrive..

      • Patricia,

        I think that reference is where Forrest said someone (he never confirmed it was an active searcher or just some “one”, or some people) had been within 500′ of it. I think it could easily be 100’s or 1000’s of people have been near it.

        Happy Fennering!


    • The place I am going to check in a week or so is exactly that Dal. Within 500 yards from where you park your car. And yes…it’s not far, but too far to walk. Every single clue in the poem, and every clue outside of the poem has fit exactly with where I think it is. And as far as I can tell, many have thought about it at the beginning, and none have read the clues the same. Here is to hoping the place I’m headed to doesn’t miss the mark 😉
      I’m even more lucky because the location is a 5 hour drive from where I live! Not only will this be an easy trip to do time wise, but it will be a perfect outing for my husband and I. Super excited! So excited I almost left at 7pm tonight and just thought to take a flashlight and look in the dark as Forrest said ;). In fact, the location I’m going may warrant a night trip. And makes certain clues even more relevant than they already are. But that would defeat the purpose of doing the activities we plan on while in the area.
      I’ll let everyone know how it goes 🙂

  31. Hey DogFrog ..i would like to partner with you …got some info you might wanna hear ..ok with more than one partner as well …must live in MT, WY

  32. Dal, I think you are right on – the poem’s directions take a different route and Forrest may be letting us know that the trail is blazed and it may be why he sent the photos. You go to the first spot and you find some kind of blaze. You will know it when you see it as quickly as we knew the blazes in the pics. Take a look around because maybe there is something more to learn. Then you are off to the next spot, maybe putting in your canoe somewhere and enjoying the float to the next trail blaze. In the end it’s heavy loads and waters high and the final blaze – you look down and there it is. The google bird will only take us so far. We have to get out there, find the trail, learn what we can and move on to the next spot/blaze. That is why I think Forrest sent those pics, to let us know the trail is blazed.

    In the end it’s the journey that counts and the special moments spent being in those places. Each of us will find some gold that we have earned a title to keep. Spring is here, let the chase begin!

    • I agree John Paul – there is a walking trail until the put in, then its canoeing all the way – watching for the ‘blaze’. “heavy loads” are rocks to me – and “high waters” is a waterfall – the end of a canyon so you can’t paddle any longer 🙂

  33. Thought again here sorry…what if that spike is a shovel or pick axe that one needs to move rocks etc to find the treasure or to climb down when you find the blaze. Oh and do you mind Dal that I use this as a thinking place?

    Cheers all

  34. So I am new to the Hunt, but sometimes it’s good to get a fresh perspective.

    Buddyzee > I read in another blog while doing research, forest had provided a small clue to another group of hunters, (I will post the link as soon as I find it) it was in poem form and essentially said that however finds the treasure won’t need tools.

    • LOL, found it… here on Dal’s site. Check the link on the left “Stephan Returns to the Blaze”.

      The quote is “…while fools argue about the quest, he won’t even need a tool, as he carries out the chest.”

      • Maybe you wont need one to carry out the chest not to find it? Another thought. You are more then likely right though Fade32

      • That is exactly the quote I was looking for to prove one doesn’t need tools to find the treasure. STEPHI!!!!!! Did you catch that one?

    • I wouldn’t trust it 100%. First it’s not Forrest saying it…and he doesn’t say it’s Forrest…he just says f…which could be Forrest….but we don’t know. Also, Forrest talked to me about buying a left or right handled shovel at one time and also needing a flashlight…. Forrest talks in riddles with anyone who talks to him. Dal mentioned that in his very first blog. So I’m not saying don’t listen to it…but I’d be careful to always keep your mind open that he’s playing with you or others are. I mean what if Stephan is saying that to get us all to just look out in the open or in caves? So I wouldn’t close my mind to anything is possible. Just my opinion.

  35. Message for dt

    So I was thinking about what dt was saying about the cayon and words being reduced to numbers. dt when you say that are you saying that each sentence (I believe each one holds a clue) has a word that can be broken down numerically? Just so I’m clear on what your saying.

  36. The aging on the F’s looks about right. It’s possible in preparation for the “hide”, Forrest practiced making blazes on the trees in his backyard. These pictures are just another clue he shared with us Fenners to give us more direction on what the blaze might look like.

    I am also in the camp of 9 sentences, 9 clues. I think that makes good sense.

    BTW, “Fenners” is what I have taken to calling all the adventurous searchers of which I am quickly becoming one of. His poem leads you in more directions than the Madison River has bends, and is quite addictive.


  37. Looking at the “F” carved by Mr. Fenn and comparing it to the carvings from Stephan’s Blaze I see some serious differences. The above photos are only bark deep scratchings while the others seem to be cut into the tree.
    I also looked into another source for Brown. Henry Brown who has history with Billy the Kid during the Lincoln County Cattle Wars. Using the only sleuthing I have available I was able to follow a river to a canyon and ended up at Bridal Veil falls. This is south of Santa Fe. Any other ideas on home of Brown?

      • there are also an absolute ton of references to this same Brown in the same portion of Colorado – two Brown’s Passes, a Brown’s Cabin, a Brown’s Cabin Mine, a Brown’s Creek… the guy behind all the Browns isn’t too hard to Google.

        • I have found there are many different Browns referenced in this part of Colorado. The trick is in finding the right one.

  38. Each part of the riddle also has sub categories that must be solved to actually complete the clue given to us by the author. The first two clues are hard, now the rest of the clues are to get harder. Once you have the first clue solved you will have laid the ground work for completing the rest of the riddle. The first two are very confusing and will take much thought to complete.

    I am entertaining the idea of joining a group. I believe I have solved the first two clues, and think I have also found “home of Brown.”

    • Jim: I have some thoughts on locations etc. Feel free to chat with me and we will see if we are in the same zone or not

      • I am not sure how to contact anyone from here other then writing a post here. I will allow Dal to give you my email if that is how its done. I would guess he would have everyone’s email address.

    • Well Jim welcome aboard….to the F-Team.
      I myself believe that yes you do need to figure out the first clue in order to get to the second and third. I think Forrest desigened it that way…
      Now I personally believe that each sentence in the Poem (there are 9) is a clue. Each sentence to me sounds like its own riddle. Here is the first part, first sentence in the poem.

      As I have gone alone in there
      And with my treasures bold,
      I can keep my secret where,
      And hint of riches new and old.

      This to me is a riddle with an answer. Than answer is the first piece. I don’t believe that Forrest would write something in the poem that didn’t have a pourpose. 9 sentences=9 clues.
      My theory on this first sentence is that it could be some kind of bank lock box, or a Museum. Both fit the description in a way. Plus, I believe that the treasure is in fact in a building. Something he feels will be around a very long time. Perhaps an old bank in a ghost town?
      What do you think Dal? Chad? Stephanie? dogfrog? Kelly? dt?

      • Jeremiah, In the book Fenn says about the cemetery that it took a lot of guts to”go in there”. His usage of that phrase “in there” simply refers to a place location. It could be a building or it could be a cemetery or lots of other places in the open or enclosed.

        • Well John Paul I agree, its vauge enough to be any place such as you mentioned, but the begining of his poem (in my opinion) makes it clear that he is in an enclosed area, 500 feet from a road, and easy access that even a child could get it. He aslo states that he isn’t worried about someone stubling upon it which to me means its hidded in plain site. Now remember, on his wibsite it says before showing the poem it reads as follows:

          This poem written by Forrest Fenn
          contains nine clues that if followed
          precisely, will lead to the end of his
          rainbow and the treasure. Happy Hunting!

          To me it couldn’t be any more clear that the poem gives the exact location, and not a general area that you would have to search around. He also states in a question that the person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over.

          There are so many great ideas floating around here, I hope people can let go of the green eyed monster and work together to find this.

      • My first thought when reading the poem was that these lines were talking about a mine of some sort. Abandoned by now, but small enough that he went into the area/cave alone, “riches new and old”, the original gold/copper/coal, and now the new treasure. It would also be cold, and “in the wood” could mean the entrance which usually have wood around them. If he is expecting the treasure to be around for a long time, most of the abandoned mines or ghost towns have already met the test of time, especially a cave. Just my thoughts. Sometimes first instincts are the best.

      • F-Team is better than the F-Troop. As I recall, they were a bit of a motley crew that couldn’t find their collective butts if their hands were glued to their backsides.

      • It doesn’t seem to be one clue per sentence, Jeremiah (but that does not mean that it is some complex framework either.)

  39. “…house of Brown”
    National Park Service logo and color scheme

    oh, and

    Fred C. Dobbs
    just streamed by, grinnin’ ear-to-ear.


    • “…Put in below the house of Brown.”

      “…Put, in below the house of Brown.”

      How adding one simple comma changes the emphasis.

      Without the comma: “(you)Go in below…”

      With the comma: “(I) put (it)…”


      • Can not see him digging up someones basement etc to hide it. Someone would have noticed that I would think. Gets one thinking though!

      • Since the poem says “home” instead of “house” I was thinking that it is more of a place where someone (animal,fish, etc…) currently lives. And I don’t think below actually means under, it could mean south or a direction. I wonder if it’s more of a broad statement about Native Indian lands, Indians were The Brown People and those areas were originally their home. ??? I am new to the search, sorry if these ideas have already been dismissed!

      • @Buddyzee


        The first quote(though incorrectly quoted), infers – direction.

        The second example9with comma added), might imply – location.

        I was thinking more at some thing – above ground.


        Good catch, on the incorrect quote.

        You are correct, Forrest’s poem does say – [home] instead of [house].


      • “…home of Brown”


  40. Don’t forget me
    I am 3 hours from Taos and have a car that can get there and back on 1 tank of gas like 45 bucks!!! plus have 2 sons which equals 3 set of eyes to spot a blaze!! We have already searched 2 sites so have proper boots on the ground and bear spray.

  41. Aleta,

    I spent some time on the CO angle. Even found a ghost town named Forest & my son and I were getting more excited by the second. Found Brown, Canyon, loads of heavy….. I’m not on that track now, but I think it bears more scrutiny.


  42. just take the chest and go in peace sounds like a cemetary or an old indian grave site…..Just got on Stepanie’s blog Very cool

    • Thank you for the link to the interview. One thing I noticed, is when the interviewer read the 4 lines that start out “Begin it where warm waters halt…” she commented that that sounded like a couple clues there. Forrest’s response was “It sounded like 3 or 4 to me”. Since there are only 2 sentences involved, that seems to conflict with the opinion that there is 1 clue in each of the 9 sentences. I have to agree with Forrest on that one. I think there are several sentences that have no significant clues at all.

      • yea ..nothing simple about this poem.. i think you can make the case, there are 5 clues in the first two stanzas… i dont know if anyone has figured out the 9 exact clues yet.. oakleygirl has pointed out something i think as well.. “hint of riches new and old” . might be clue 1… could very well be on the site of an old mine.. without physically being there its difficult to know or tell though.. looking forward to fiinding out

      • I find it interesting that he said 3 or 4, particularly using the word “or.” Although he has said 9 clues, I guess it depends on what you count as a clue. For instance, if there are 2 hints that sum to give a name of a place, do you count that as 1 clue or 2?

    • Another thing that Forrest said is that the chest is 10″ x 10″ square. That is much smaller than the box displayed by a reporter on one of the videos.

  43. Hey, dogfrog, where in California? I’m in a similar situation as you (travel/expense wise) and I live in the Central Valley, near Modesto, CA. I’m more inclined toward New Mexico rather than Yellowstone area though.

  44. Probably shooting myself in the foot *ouch*. Doesn’t anyone else see signs like this in national and state park campgrounds etc.? They are metal and would be around for a long time marking a trail and like someone else said…they could seem like a symbol of the “thrill of the chase”. He talks about signs….remember?

  45. Hey I want to join the team, like I said I have a fresh perspective 🙂

    I agree that without solving the first clue you can figure out the rest. Of course you can find references that might fit “House of Brown”, as we can see just in this thread there are many ideas of what that could be, but you need the first clue to give the second clue context.

    The focus should be on “Begin it where warm waters halt And take it in the canyon down”. From what I can see is that most thoughts point to Hot/Warm springs, but what if it refers to something else, I have an idea…..

      • Hey Fade32, I think, (just my opinion) that the begining is actualy in the very first sentence. the begining of the poem. I think that this is the first clue. I don’t think Forrest would write something that had no relivance. If you study the way he structured each stanza, you’ll notice special markers. Each one has something different and there are 9 sentences total.
        If you send me your email i’ll sent you what I have, we can share ideas…
        This goes for anyone else as well. I have the Poem broken down into what I think is the 9 clues.

  46. Anyone who is looking for a couple Wyoming boys (mid to late 20’s) with an old Wyoming historian (who actually led a historical trek through Yellowstone few years back) feel free to get in contact.

    We’d be looking for a few partners/friends to collaborate with going forward. I’ll check back here every so often.

    • I am interested in searching in the Yellowstone area as well, in the spring/summer. I live in Canada, but could meet in the area. I am a mid twentys girls and wouldn’t feel safe going in the area alone. Please keep me posted on your plans, I would love to join a team. Maybe we have the same ideas.

    • I am looking for a group to join just not sure if I want to do it before I search one of the spots I have in mind. Clearly I’m not confident that is the one or I wouldn’t care. I have a few idea for some of the clues but this is the only one near enough to somewhere I was going anyway. (New Mexico) It would be years before I could search anywhere else so if I could find a group and share my thoughts while they hopefully go out and do the actual search that would be awesome. The question is how would you decide what percentage of the treasure each person gets? How could someone who isn’t actually there the day it’s found be sure they wouldn’t get shut out? I do have some ideas but I’m not ready to share most of them because I don’t want to point someone to “my spot” before I get there.

  47. Someone needs to start a “not here blog”, I have quite a few not here sites I could contribute…

    • Kevin…
      I’m not sure that would be very useful. Just because I already searched at Elizabethtown in NM or at Quake Lake in MT does not mean it isn’t there. It might only mean that I am not smart enough to look in exactly the right place when I was there. People should always follow their gut instincts and best ideas. If you feel it’s at Cimarron, then go look. You might look in a place there that no one else thought of. Your unique way of thinking might match up with Forrest’s precisely and even though a hundred others have looked in that same place…you might have a better idea about the exact spot in Cimarron than the rest of us…

      • It might not be helpful so much to the person who searched there, but I’d look at something like for clues as to where to start. After looking around at some posts on the net I see that others have searched the area I am thinking of. However even thought they started at or near the same place I did, I can’t find anyone who went seems to have inturpeted the rest of the clues the way I am. So I would not use an “It’s not here” map for ruling out anywhere, just for trying to figure out how other people think which might give me a clue there or even somewhere down the line.

        • It’s also good to remember that Forrest said that many searchers were within 500 feet. I personally feel that the place is a place that’s probably been heavily searched, but the end location is where the mystery lies.

  48. I think these are examples of trail blazes, in a general sense. As opposed to fire blazes. I was looking for a tie to the 88 fires, until this.

    • Lane: Don’t change thoughts because of some pictures…Forrest may just find the F’s nice and the running man weird. Your thoughts may still be right and he has thrown this in to make you lose direction. All good treasure stories have something in them to throw you off the track

      • Thanks for the advice. What I should have said was: Before this I was only looking for ties to the 88′ Fire. Now i will keep both in mind.

    • I am stuck on the 88 as well Lane. Seems to fit the Blaze thing!! We know what we mean right

    • I think Forrest is having fun being clever. I suspect that in everything that he actually presents for this blog there is a connection. It is amazing how many coincidences can occur in life, how many connections can be made. Of course, in all cases, it is just a reiteration of something related to the poem.
      If I am right, he must busting a gut trying to hold it all in.

    • The ‘Put in’ is also a term hikers use where they begin a trail.
      Hard to know if Forrest meant start segment(s) of the search on water, land, or if the end game involves the tc actually being placed below (downstream, south, down in elev., under) the hoB. Right?

      With poetic license, he may have chosen not to use a comma after put in, to allow for more mass confusion among the masses. Hordes of us left wondering and wandering in search of his golden hord.

  49. Maybe Dal should ask Forrest if he forgot to include the caption with the aspen photos?

  50. If you feel that clue two leads through the grand canyon of yellowstone. And wish to discuss the home of Brown. Email me at remarklane@gmail. My thoughts are specific and I do not want to mislead the masses. But I would like to bounce my ideas around with others .

  51. Hey Cowboy Joe.
    I’m your huckleberry..
    Go Pokes!
    I live in the Fort

  52. Every time I feel like I am narrowing something down, I read something new and throws me off and I have to rethink it. I am glad there are these blogs like Dal has to use as a reference tho. Thank you.

  53. Restating the Obvious

    As in life or
    in any good story
    (or Chess game),
    the structure is usually:


    Applying the above
    to Forrest’s 24-line poem,
    I see the first 4 lines
    as – Start

    The next 12 lines
    would be – Middle

    The last 8 lines
    of course, would
    be – End.


  54. I’m in Utah, but can travel to CO, NM, MT, etc. within reason. Waiting to receive my Thrill of the Chase book that I ordered last week.

  55. Cibola

    “It is situated on a
    level stretch on the brow
    of a roundish hill…”
    — Friar de Niza


    Streaming(out loud)

    Forrest – the messenger

    We(all that witness, hear, Blog)



    • Excuse me? Certainly are…depending on where you are at. Headwaters of the White River….native browns for fly fishing. Northern Wisconsin is merely one location and that is certainly in the northern hemisphere.

      • Bonnie, are you from WI? I’m just asking because I have fond memories of WI from my childhood. And it’s funny but you rarely meet folks from the dairy state.

        • Moooooo….definitely a cheesehead *S* Northern Wisconsin by Lake Superior is my old home base. I’ve spent many years canoeing the Boundary Waters of Minnesota into the Quetico of Canada searching out Indian Petroglyphs and hiking the Adirondacks in upstate NY. Fishing is an old past time and I often took in the Brule River and the shed waters of the White River tossing lures and flies at fish. Often, they just threw them back. Then there was that monster lake trout that took my brand spankin’ new deep diving shad. I was not happy and often went back to that spot looking to make an argument with that same fish. Northern Wisconsin is a beautiful place for people who love the outdoors. Fishin’ huntin’ hiking….we’ve got it all….’cept for big mountains.

          • Glan….what part of Wisconsin were you from? I’m on the Illinois/Wisconsin line, but our family had a resort in Eagle River/St. German area.

      • Stephanie, I apologize for the lateness of my reply for you. I’m originally from Michigan (suburbs of Detroit), but my Grandfather lived in a small town named Exeland, not too far from Ladysmith and Rhinlander (beware the Hodag!). he owned quite a bit of property with trout ponds and a cabin way back in the woods. Sadly though it was a 12-14 hour drive for us, and since my Father only took two weeks vacation, we did not go there every year. When I was very young it was such a long but grand journey to get there. We usually went up and over by way of the Bridge and the Upper Peninsula. It may be a bit longer than going down and around, but I would not want to go any other way than through the north. Always funny to me how many Michiganders had never been to the U.P.
        Anyway, I apologize again for not replying sooner, I had forgotten to mark the post for any replys.

  56. I’ve been thinking all this over for a few weeks now. From what I can recall Forrest saying, a child can walk up and grab the chest. Is there a chance that we are over complicating the meaning and direction of the poem? More importantly, why do we automatically assume and associate the clues to nature? Could it be that he is not referring to a place of nature at all? food for thought 🙂

      • Okay…but non organic clues could still get you out into the countryside. For instance what if the first clue..Begin it where warm waters halt…is actually a reference to a series of Sharp or Remington paintings titled “Warm Water” that is hung at the Cody Museum? Wouldn’t that be the place where warm waters halt?
        I don’t know of such a series of paintings..I am just trying to make a point…
        I agree with Carlos that it’s possible… and it might be wise, given Forrest’s interest in Western Art and the Taos painters, to not ignore those kinds of ideas..

      • Okay…I can see that…
        What if the Blackfeet Indians had a creation legend about warm waters halting at Going to the Sun Mountain? This kind of link would be valid a hundred years from now or at least as long as there are Blackfeet Indians…

        • I’m supposed to be a Blackfoot Indian…so just follow me….I’ll take you there…after I’ve already found it. Do you ever sleep Dal? Just curious since we chat so much in the middle of the night.

          • How can I sleep when over 200,000 people re out looking in my spots for the chest..ha!
            At least I know where you are when you are writing me…

          • You think you know…..Forrest doesn’t always tell you when I’m out and about. Well, at least I don’t think he does lol.

          • I just woke up at 4am. Had a dream about the treasure. I also had a good idea on finding it. But I will need Dal’s help. I’m going back to sleep but I’ll contact you dal later about my idea.

    • Forrest hid the chest in the bubble room at Micky D’s. All you have to do is jump in there with about fifty kids and find the chest under all those balls. *S*

  57. Wouldn’t this be the biggest joke, if Dal is twisting this info to keep us all off the real path! After all, wouldn’t you be tempted to? Dal did say he does do this and often tells others not to say or shhh… Maybe Dal doesn’t change info but releasing only some of course mostly things he no longer considers useful, but if I told my woman similar bs…ITS STILL BEING DECEITFUL. lol like sheep to the slaughter…baaaa

    I see this blog as 2 leasons. 1-provides a basis of decoding relating forrest. 2-Its 2 million, dont listen to the most informed person looking for it!!! lmao Dal, even if you are being helpful, still have to question your motives. Im sure this brilliant blog is helpful for your hunt. CUDOs! Of to create mine now…

      • Greetings Dal! Things shor is heetin up! Best get me an’ the lads back in the frosty hills soon after that thar chest, but for now we’re still recoverin’ from a spirited jaunt over the puddle to that thar Paris, France place…They eat lots o’ duck livers over thar, all mashed up, and me and the lads is still a bit sluggish with our big bellies and all. But we’ll be wanderin’ out again soon seeking to confound that crafty rascal Forrest Fenn, shor enuff!

      • PS We saw lots o’ gold and treasure too, especially in that big ol barn they got thar called the Louver…and them French folks don’t even bother to hide it, it’s all out in the open in big glass cases. You can bet we got real excited and started a-lookin’ low and high for some French-like treasure poems but thar warn’t none…so we had to leave all that treasure right where it was.

    • fatal last words… right, right. I never said he is not a straight shooter. he IS a sniper. be sure to state where youve already searched and what where/why you plan to too. You are way too naive. Just like the LA “story”. No1 in their right mind would meet up with verified crazy people (after simple assessment) then walk all the way over to a cemetery with them before questioning the action BEFORE going there. Dal, your a great writer, im sure that you have a few books out too… but their are wholes in your stories. I do believe that you have basic good intentions and are reasonably honest, but withholding information does make you not completely honest. This is why when you are sworn in under constitutional law, and are sworn to tell the whole truth. Not trickle incidental factoids. I get it, and completely understand why. Stephan, you are a credit to my whole reason I decided to re-disclaim this. Therefor you are a great credit to this blog and Dal.

      Goodluck Dal, CUDOs again, great blog, and loyal com padres. Brilliant! Dal, you should sell hats and shirts so I know who helped you… and who to extort when im out hunting and run into them! 😛

      • Ahhh, but J, the thrill is in deciphering your clues your way. What fun is there in taking someone else’s and making them one’s own? No challenge there. Take the blogs for what they are, then pull the poem apart in your own way. Ideas abound everywhere to get you on your track, but they don’t have to be the exact ideas others have. I maybe searching in treasure clean areas only because my clues may take me further than the last guys who have already been there. There in lies the rub;-)

  58. “…I sure had some cockeyed ideas about prospectin’ for gold.
    It was all in the finding I thought.
    I thought all you had to do was find it, pick it up, put it in sacks,
    and carry ’em off to the nearest bank.”
    — Fred C. Dobbs

  59. Firehole river was my first thought too. It flows into Firehole canyon (canyon down). If you read under yellowstone-firehole river there is a really good description of the river. At one point it has big boulders in deep pools (heavy load waters high). And brown trout! I was super excited and ready to head out on April 20 when the road opens for the spring until I googled people’s vacation pictures of firehole canyon. Much bigger than I thought and it seems pretty populated. Not very likely it would still be hidden if there. Has anybody searched there yet?

    • Yes…it’s one of the “hot spots” around Yellowstone. Many, many people have looked there…but you know my mantra..Just because no one else has stumbled upon it does not mean you will not…

    • A very hot spot, and I agree with Dal in that one searcher could easily pass right by the blaze. In fact, I think it’s probable that you will miss it the first time you search an area. If you have a good area, it bears good scrutiny. Remember, Forrest said it will be difficult. Not impossible, but difficult. He wouldn’t emblazon a 2′ tall FF on the boulders near the Firehole swimming hole for the first searcher to spot.

      Happy Fennering.


  60. Stephan –

    I know you will think I’m crazy but email me! I think I know where your spot is and why the treasure is not just below! I won’t pump you for information – promise!


    A novice but intelligent & diligent treasure hunter!

    • Hi Sherri, I don’t think you are crazy. At least not yet. But the more you look for the chest, the more crazy you are likely to become. It’s called “gold fever” and it has afflicted mankind for millenia. I see many of the folks posting here in the first throes of the malady, so be careful! I myself had a dreadful case, but I’m better now. At least I think so. I don’t have your email address, so….Best of luck, Stephan

    • I have an idea Dal. I see people here bringing lots to the table, but whats the use if its all going to be spewed out on a blog unorganizingly. I joked about it eirlier but I think the only way to find this is to team up. Investigators have different departments searching different clues and collectivly they solve the crime…nobody here is sherlock and nobody here (especially after three years) is going to just stumble on the treause looking for it. Forrest himslef said nobody would stumble across it. Why not start a registration, a team of people truly didicated to finding this (people who have something to offer, we don’t need people who will just tag along hoping to get rich off other peoples work) and get this puzzle solved. The poem is however a puzzle. Now I know a english professor who is a master at word play and other forms of writing, and so in line with my theory being that the poem will letteraly tell us the exact location of the treasure and not some vauge area for us to search in, I say its a start. Plus I have been tearing the poem apart. I have other resources and other ideas, but I can’t tackle everyting by myself. None of us here can. Nobody here by themselves is going to find this treasure by taking walks in the woods.
      We form a team, exchage numbers, emails, we do conference calls, and each member will get a concept to study. For example one person get to go through every canyon in NM, every water way, where it goes, every water fall…ect….Someone researches every name Brown in NM….the list goes on.
      Now I know people have already done this to a point, but if we collectivly as a team brought our resources together, how could we not figure this out?
      Just an idea guys, nobody panic.

      • Jeremiah,

        Respectfully, I think that idea while having merit to actually find the treasure, has some perils of it’s own…at least on a large organized grand scale like that. Just look at all the groups of lottery winners that end up in court when they actually do win.

        If your group never finds the gold, then it’s a great idea. Part of the excitement of the chase is sharing with others who are also excited. If however, you do find it, then there are all sorts of questions about how to spit it, & who did what, “that was my idea you @3$%!”, “you were saying Idaho dum@$$”, “I’m the one who figured out Brown mean an old shutdown Mr. Potato Head Factory, I get Half!” . ect. ect.

        I also believe that someONE or at least a very small collective group/pair will eventually figure it out and find the gold. I’ve been at it for a week now & like many others, think I have a firm grasp of the clues & a very localized search area that is almost a certainty. I could easily be correct.

        Now, to just find the highest shower head in this defunct factory. I hoping there is a box of black plastic mustaches nearby to look under. 🙂

        Happy Fennering!


      • I agree that their would have to be an agreement ahead of time about how the treasure is split. How many people there can be in the group. It would be super hard to do with a group of strangers much as I’d love to find one to join because I believe I have a lot of good thoughts and maybe some insite since I am a poet and under how many poets think. However I don’t have the money to go searching in all the possible places because no matter how much the treasure is only in one place, we know that no matter how perfectly that one fits the clues we also know that there are likely dozens of others that fit them just as well. After I search my spot at the begining of next month I’d be willing to share what I’ve been thinking. But I don’t want to have to give away a huge chunk of the treasure when I figured out where it was all by myself. 🙂 I will admit though that my spot is not one others would search and I really don’t expect to find it there since I have never been the lucky type. I’ve made a few leaps of faith based upon my poetic senses. I am also going based upon some names of places that I read that seem to not be well known or used, but that seem to fit the clues. That is if you look for another meaning to things that seem straightforward at first. When hunting a treasure like this my feeling is that nothing should be treated like it only has one meaning. And nothing should be treated like it’s meaningless.

  61. Great blog Dal! I’m having a blast reading and thinking about where the treasure may be. I’m a fairly new father so I don’t have time to go treasure hunting, but, I do have the greatest treasure here at home. Your recap of clues really bummed me out Dal…lol I totally thought it might be in the Grand Canyon area, but, I don’t think the specific area I was looking at is above 5k feet. Not to mention the whole 300 miles west of Toledo tip was irrelevant.

  62. Just a thought.. is the carving of the boy/man running in the direction of the treasure? How fun is this! Altho I cannot get to …..where I feel it might be lol it is making me antsy to get back to hiking in New England 🙂 … thanks for the adventure and thanks for this blog dal 🙂

  63. I am wondering if anyone is starting south of Santa Fe in the search? Since Forrest said it is north of Santa Fe, I have also been using that as places to start. How literal do you think he was just saying it’s north? Not NW or NE? I keep seeing that he chooses words carefully, so maybe the end result is true N of Santa Fe? Anyone think/consider the Rainbow Bridge National Monument as significant? It would be a natural place to find a treasure, or start/end the hunt.

    • I’ve thought that the poem he has in the beginning of his memoir about gambling might lead someone to Las Vegas, NM and to get there you have to go south of Santa Fe. I’m not saying it’s IN Las Vegas, NM….but maybe that’s the direction you need to go.

      • I’ve had it 100% located (in my mind) with almost perfectly matching landmarks to the clues for spots in NM, CO, WY, MT ….the list goes on. One thing I have found is that my mind is more creative than I give it credit for. I make up connections that don’t exist, so I have taken to looking at basics again. Forrest said it was North. Maybe not 0 deg straight as an arrow North, but North nonetheless.

  64. re-adding my interpretation on a line…Begin it where the warm waters halt and take the canyon down, not far but too far to walk. I would iterpret as saying It begins above the treeline and flows down the canyon, it goes on a little ways by stream standards but further than you would walk until it intersects the next stream.

    Just for the heck of it, has anyone searched Cave CreekNE of SF?

  65. I also came across a Henry Newton Brown [oldtime cowboy], from MO, who eventually made his way over to Texas. He was raised in a town called “Cold Springs” Just south of Rolla …. hmmmm… warm waters halt???? Maybe our journey starts there.

    • That’s a good idea to look at history people with the name of Brown, because he talks about the trappers and their homes wouldn’t change and would start with a capital B.

  66. I mean, who is to say that the starting point doesn’t begin in some other state??? We just assume it begins in the mountains north of santa fe…. I would be curious to see just where this Henry newton brown went… maybe he is somehow connected or a distant relative of Forrest. What fun is a chase if it doesn’t take you across different states and locations?

    • I agree. Maybe he thinks people will tend to think small. I’ve thought of that with him saying it’s North of Santa Fe which makes people assume it’s in NM. He talks about his big adventure into the Red Canyon to follow Lewis and Clark. So maybe it is some guy named Brown in the history books who was an explorer.

      • Brown ranch hwy 456 NM along dry portions of Dry Cimmaron River also part of Sante Fe Trail…just to add more confusion

        • What is the Dry Cimarron…is that different than the Cimarron River? I’ve seen that mentioned before and I’m just curious if they are different.

  67. Time to read the life story of Henry Newton Brown… I am betting there is an intersection there that relates to his [forrest] own life. Could be something… could be nothing. Leave no stone unturned.

    • Didnt mean it derogatory, just sharing info as well…Says Dry Cimarron the river runs underground or disappears or where the warm waters halt if you like

      • The Dry Cimarron is considered warm? Learn something new every day. Where does it go under ground? Understand if you don’t want to say.

    • That’s a good idea though that it would halt when it went under ground and I could see how you couldn’t paddle it if isn’t there. Then maybe there’s a fishing spot when it reappears above ground at some point.

  68. More fun with the poem…line 1: alone in there- interpret Hermit Peak, line 6:in the canyon down-interpret Cascade Canyon, line 12: just heavy loads and water high-interpret Gallinas Creek (Gallina is a lead ore) thrown out there for discussion

  69. I have a story about Cave Creek. I was there last spring with my Father. The location does not seem to fit the poem, but to me it was an interesting destination. You have to hike up the “creek” and the “blaze” is how you wisely find it by listening for the sound of the creek grow quiet as it runs into to cave. It sounded like a great place to hide a treasure. The creek was running high due to the spring run off. Some of the creek water runs into two main openings in the side of the mountain. I entered with the usual excitement of the possibility of finding the chest. It was very noisy as the incoming water went down over a short water fall and into some pools about 5 foot wide and 10 foot long. There are three fingers that fork out inside one to the left and two straight in with another small cave inside to the right. The fingers end at about 20 feet in where the water disappears into the underground. The water was very deep at the time. I know this because The fire department pager I was carrying on my belt had the desire to jump into the running water. Since it cost around 500 dollars and with not wanting to explain its loss, I decided to create a dam of sorts on the outside of the cave with rocks and branches. A few hours later the water slowed enough to where the cave drained down about 6 feet. I was able to find the pager. Not as exciting as finding the chest though. I did look as far as one could in there. My Father had a great time watching my dam building and napping under some trees…..I think they were aspens.

    • What town is Cave Creek in? I’ve never heard of it…but sounds like an ideal place to hide a treasure. Can you imagine people walking right past it while in the dark???? Maybe there’s a running man(thrill of the chase guy) on the wall and it’s in the cave sitting behind something so you can’t see it. If it’s in a situation like this…I just lost, because I’m afraid of the dark lol…well not always..just dark scary caves where bears might hang out. Glad you got your pager. We’ve redirected some water too….I wonder if the Chase will change the natural topography of the land due to all of us.

    • Nice, Cave creek does start high on mountain and runs a little ways before it ends in Panchuela creek, seems just as reasonable a place as anywhere

  70. That is an old horse saying, nigh on the left of the horse… The cave is on the left as you go up.

  71. I don’t want to clutter up this post with any more comments (and I’m afraid this one might be ignored) but what information has Forrest given that has made Firehole River the certified location-to-be for the chest? He’s given numerous red-herring clues on this blog before, including with the “Toledo” thing <– he's even confessed that it's a "worthless" clue. The picture that he sent of him near one of the pools might be equivalent. Don't forget Geyser creek's "halt" against the Gibbon river.

    I am inclined to think that Yellowstone is altogether too simple of a place for him to have hid the treasure. After all, there are other locations where "warm water halts". There are numerous locations where trout rivers are dammed, or with the name "flame" or "blaze" at a confluence, or where hot springs exist. The vast majority of these rivers are in canyons or are near other canyons. Arguably one of the first places anyone would look for the treasure would be Yellowstone, and yet the poem is supposed to be difficult.

    Just some thoughts.

    • I have not read the book, But from what I have gathered he used to spend his childhood summers in West Yellowstone, MT. He would bike to Firehole river near Ojo Caliente and bathe for hours naked. He mentioned it is one of his favorite spots. But I agree with you-there are so many hot springs and geysers in Yellowstone-if he feels a person can find the spot just using the poem then Yellowstone would not be very likely to narrow down “where warm waters halt.”

  72. Hi everyone! As mentioned in my earlier post I’m a new Dad so I won’t be getting out to treasure hunt anytime soon, but, I do enjoy reading your ideas and adventures so keep them coming. Just to add to the confusion, but, not really because I think my first idea is far off from where the treasure really is. Mainly, the idea I had is far off because it is probably not above 5k and I did not start with the first part of the poem for some reason I was fixed on figuring out who/what brown was. Not to mention I took the 300 miles west of Toledo clue hook line and sinker. That was where my idea started I found the Valle of Toledo and looked 300 miles west which is near the Grand Canyon Park. From there I found a cool little story about a man name Frank Brown who went on an expedition trying to find a route for a railroad pathway. He drowned in some rapids not to far along and someone carved a little memorial in the rocks near this spot. I thought that the carving could possible be the blaze and the rapids being the final resting place for Mr. Brown might be considered his home. Later on I found Dal’s blog and found that most of the ideas I had from clues were moot, but, I did enjoy reading the history of that expedition. Anyway, thought I would just share my first idea on the subject.

    Happy Hunting!

    • I just researched the carvings of Frank Brown. That would have been perfect if it were in the woods, but it looks like a very dry area. Thanks for sharing

    • heck ya since I m from the northwest I say its in your neck of the woods so to speak.My granddaughter thinks so to ( I must admit i bribed her) which is easy for a 7 year old hehehe

  73. Before Unfurling the Scroll

    figures of speech – the usage of a word [or words]
    in ways that move away from its usual meaning.

    simile – is like, as (author/reader share the feelings)
    The risk: Differences in – Culture, Sentiment

    metaphor – is (author/reader share the understanding)
    The risk: Differences in – Perspective, Perception

    Both rely on one’s individual experiences.


    *Where to start is not always – at the beginning.



  74. For those of you who know Forrest well does he tend to think small-once you find the first clue the chest will be within a close area-Or large scale-look at a map and the clues continually guide you into a more specific area.

    I sent my husband to NM. He found a perfect place to hid a treasure with no treasure found. I kept thinking “why didn’t he hide it here. All of the clues matched so perfectly.” But it was south of Santa Fe. Forrest did email someone that it is truly north of Santa Fe, NM and not say Santa Fe, TX. I like you map of the Denver Zoo STEPHANIE! I think it is true you can match the poem to a million places.

    About the metal trail signs you mentioned-the forest service tends to move and change those frequently and I don’t think Forrest would leave it to such uncertain circumstances. Probably not a tree either with so many fires/tree diseases. He would have to check it to make sure it is still there.

  75. Paraphrasing Bill(of the receding hairline club)
    from – The Rape of Lucrece

    I found it !!!

    What did you gain, tell me?
    A dream, realized?
    A next breath?
    The foam mustache
    off the tall top – a cold, Shiner Bock?

    Who trades a minute’s joy
    to gain a cruel week of misery?
    Or attempts to barter – Eternity
    for the moment’s thrill of a spinning yo-yo?
    Or trade one’s sweet grape, for the
    pleasure of chopping down the vine

    Yes, the beggar’s wish to know
    All those riches that – in the end
    Will surely mean the end
    of him.

    I found it !!!
    *Sorry ’bout that, Bill(no-I’m-not)



  76. Is anyone reading/interpreting second stanza like the “it” is one thing? Begin it (trail,river,rd) where warm waters halt. And take it(trail,river,rd) in the canyon down. If it is a trail,river or road, then you would park, to “put in” by starting at the home of Brown on foot. I’m sure you all know there is a Forest Rd in NM, which would be too obvious, but the lines would make sense if you were talking about one thing in those few lines. Not sure if I am explaining this right… just another way of thinking I guess.

    • Yes, that is a good question. Begin it – the journey or quest, the trail. And take it (the trail, path, journey, river) in the canyon down. Then put in – a new type of instruction. There are more clues so put in does not mean where the treasure has been put because that comes later at water high.

      It is a wonder metaphor – what do we begin, life is like a river, an adventure, the journey. Lovely metaphor with such a simple word “it”.

      • I agree there is more after being “put in under home of Brown” I think the other clues pertain that. The other clues begin after you are where you need to be from the second stanza. “no paddle up your creek”, “heavy loads”, “in the wood” etc… but those seem more like descriptive phrases to help you when you are in the right area. I picture someone following the poem to start out at a location in a car and the rest on foot after “put in” , wherever that may be! I also think that there are some things you will discover while on the trail that we will never find online. Maybe a hidden cave with a waterfall inside, or the “blaze” is something formed from nature that you will know when you see it. I am having so much fun analyzing the poem, I can’t stick with one train of thought.

  77. “Soitenly!”

    One proper noun
    in 24 lines
    how to get
    to where we’re

    Who’s drivin’?



    See what the author
    does to your:

    Pause of voice

    Pause – A Poem
    L. Carter
    (off the parallelogram)

    Darkness didn’t fall it dropped
    in a bunched curtain

    like her conversation, polarized.
    so i donated old clothes,

    said something about heavy
    doors or percentages

    and who needs words
    like diaphanous.

    turned to return space
    and found the sky in pink-purple

    waves like summer heat but
    that’s not the point.

    i might rewrite the night
    with her voice, that strange interim

    between endings, half awake as day
    fades to some dim night shade.

    Extreme, I know.——-


    • If I remember correctly, Forrest said he wouldn’t mind if the treasure wasn’t found for thousands of years. If that’s the case, then every clue must be something in nature that would stand the test of time. So a blaze on a tree or Browns house would not work. I think we can all speculate until the cows come home what the clues could mean but until someone breaks the first clue of where warm waters halt, we will all go in circles. As Forrest said, once you begin at the right starting place the rest of the poem will take you to the treasure. But what do I know, I hate puzzles and am hopelessly addicted to seeing this solved.

      • I agree with you. Although I just wanted to say that if you found a historical Brown’s house…like maybe someone who was an explorer for example and he was from a certain town…then you’d know that in 1000 years…or like Dal has shown a cemetery marker for a lady named Brown…that will be there in 1000 years.

  78. These are aspens..not birch. The higher the altitude the denser the aspens get. I’ve carved my initials in several aspens…the carvings turn black after a year or two. Am I the only one that see’s an “E” on the second aspen from the left in the background?

    • I think they are Aspens that make noise too…is that Quaker Aspens? They have yellow leaves on them. It’s soooo flipping pretty in the fall when you see them among the Ponderosa Pines. I remember finding a map online once of where all the Aspens grow out West. He also mentions Pines in his song on Youtube…so I would think it needs to be in a place where both of those grow…but that probably isn’t helpful. Forrest was on WGN in Chicago today…I recorded it and am uploading it soon…Dal will put it on his blog.

    • Hi, this is my first time speaking up on this blog but i wanted to mention something real quick which i think might be of interest. Listen to the first video again Stephanie at 0:42… what do you hear?
      Instantly caught my attention. Hmmmm.

      • Yeah everyone’s talking about that exact thing. He says secreted, but that’s not to say it’s not buried….so do we all assume since he says buried this time that he doesn’t still feel it’s not to say it isn’t secreted?

      • Gotta wonder if he just misspoke repeating what the DJ said or if he actually slipped up in the moment and spilled a clue. I would think that if he hadn’t buried it like he’s alluded to that he wouldn’t have made that slip. It seems to me that the memory of the moment when he stashed it would flash through his head anytime he talks about that moment. Therefore, seems he would have corrected the guy, but he said “buried”.
        I know he said you wouldn’t need a tool “to walk out with the chest” but that still was worded tricky.
        I’m wondering now if maybe it isn’t buried very shallow and only requires brushing a layer of dirt (or whatever) off to expose it.

        • I’ve heard that a couple times where people say you don’t need a tool. Where is it that Forrest has said that, because I can’t recall it.

    • Hey Stephanie, thanks. Cool post. Chicago was my hometown too. I live in New Mexico now. I hope to head out this weekend on the quest! Cheers, JP

      • Hope your a north sider 😉 I want to move to New Mexico. Seems like so many from New Mexico came from the midwest…and I “get it”. Hey do me a favor…don’t find the chest when you go looking *smile* That goes for anyone reading this 😉

    • Yep, north side and then west and northwest I went from 1400 LSD to The Ukrainian Village to Arlington Heights and then out to Woodstock. Like everyone, I’m certain I know where it is but I am prepared fo disappointment. :). I’ve been coming out here forever and finally made the move. I miss Chicago and the green but FF’s book is reconnecting me with so many wonderful places, many I have not seen. The thrill is back and it alone is worth a lot of gold.

      • LOL I’m from Arlington Heights, and now I’m near Woodstock. Small world….take that back…if it were small I’d be out West way more than I am 😉 *Go Cubs*

  79. I have a few things that seem to line up with portions of his poem… at least in my mind.
    Are we sure it is north of Santa Fe, NM? Actually, it is rather uncanny what I came up with.
    Can I private message someone details?

    • Carlos..we probably ran into the same thing and if we did you’re close…but it is north. Originally, based on some research I didn’t believe it to be in NM. After more research, I uncovered more information. I am pretty sure I’m on to something…I just haven’t figured out the last part of the puzzle.

    • What are you thinking… did you catch where he said, ” never a doubt where I was going to hide it…” I am trying to get ready to go to NM, but still will, but I best plan on also going to yellowstone.

    • I see no problem with it…mostly because I don’t think it can be south…Forrest has said it’s in the Rocky Mountains…so if I’m not mistaken….they aren’t south of Santa Fe….are they?

  80. Rocky could just be an adjective versus a noun… all mountains are Rocky when you think about it. Plus Forrest did say that he likes to play around with the English language, etc.

    • No he’s made it clear that it was Santa Fe, NM it’s north of. I’m not sure where he said that…but I’m sure he did because others had questioned it.

  81. Did you know that Santa Fe translated means Holy Faith… who knew?! Crazy right? 🙂

    One question though… it seems as though Forrest has always been very dodgy in his clues… who is to say that he is not being 100% forthright? I go back to the toledo comment… it was just nonsense to throw people off.

    If I wanted my treasure to be around for another thousand years I would not be completely forthcoming either.

    Food for thought.

      • crossed this old guy on the road

        mumbled something about – “…of the first sally”
        then this:

        …But scarce had he sallied to the fields, when he was suddenly assaulted by a terrible thought, and such a one as did well-nigh overthrow his former good purposes; which was, he remembered he was not yet dubbed knight, and therefore, by the laws of knighthood, neither could nor ought to combat with any knight: and though he were one, yet ought he to wear white armour like a new knight, without any device in his shield until he did win it by force of arms…

        I kindly stopped him to inquire, “Is there a range, about known as, Rocky within or outside of Toledo?

        With a certain look right through me, he yells, “On, Rozinante !!!”
        and left me there.

    • He totally doesn’t give clues…but he’s going to on the Today Show once a month…but don’t expect them to be overly helpful. If he wanted to give it away…he would have just written a check to his favorite charity.

    • Carlos, The “clue” was not “300 miles west of”. The “clue” was “more than 300 miles west of”. It was a tongue in cheek and rather kindly response to yet another person asking for yet another exclusive clue. It was never meant to be taken seriously. The context of the statement is everything as is accurate quoting. The original is somewhere in one of Dal’s earlier blogs and has been misquoted numerous times in replies on various blogs. Forrest has stated that he has not knowingly mislead the hunters as regards the hints in the book when asked that question. I have to believe that statement extends to all of his communication. Hope this is helpful to you Carlos.

  82. Carlos,
    I join you in dubious thought regarding “north”. Non-fiction writers only have to be right 85% of the time…right? North could be a complete circumnavigation. You will be going “north of Santa Fe” eventually…just sayin.

    • Hank-
      Where does that “non-fiction writers only have to be right 85% of the time” come from..Forrest says that and I believe he attributes it to Max that where you got it…just wondering…

      • Dal,

        Yeah I got that from the interview “on writing” referring to Max Evans. Forrest seemed to like the idea of using words for “affect” – as I see it one of those words could be “north” – only my $.02 of overthinking.

    • I really don’t think that idea works. Since once you reach the north pole, it seems to me the only direction you can go is south. And once you reach the south pole headed back around then you are S. of Santa Fe. But yes where I am looking at takes few of the clues at face value. The problem I’ve discovered is that once I knew where I wanted to look and thought I had the puzzle solved except for finding the trail, I can’t seem to find the trail. 🙂 Well at least not the one I could take my child on. From my reseach I am sure that it exhists, though.

  83. Its birch trees aspen trees don’t peel, and aspens arent drought tolerant birch peels they are the same fam oriental trees the kids snd studied trees for over 8yrs now they know every edible weed and tree by its trunk for survival skills

  84. I have been thinking about the people having been within 500′ comment. And the idea that it might have been hundreds or thousands of people. What if that is true and yet not true? Say there is a busy road at the top of a very deep canyon and the treasure is at the bottom, less than 500′ as the crow flies but much further if you measure the distance down and over? I know there are many roads that travel thru wilderness areas that are near places like that. You might have to travel many miles out of your way to get to the treasure, but it would still be so very close. Seems like something a trickster would do. Like wise it could be that far off any trail that is regularly traveled but that people don’t (or rarely) step off of. That could be how he is sure someone has been near without ever checking. Of course I like the idea of him having a remote camera on the spot to check too.

    • I think that’s interesting that you say it could have been hikers who were near it instead of searchers. I wonder if he’s actually said searchers were.

      • Frankly, that was my first thought. “Searchers” could be describing anyone who treks into the woods on a trail looking for peace and quiet in the woods. It could be near a place where people frequently walk by.

    • Someone suggested he could be tuning into a trail camera that’s already in place which I thought was an interesting idea. He does own a laptop and I think he’s way more techy than even he’ll admit to.

        • No I mean a web cam that the parks have out on the trails to see conditions or what ever. Not one that he put up. Someone suggested it as an idea and I thought it was interesting.

  85. I don’t think Forrest would put the treasure where rangers would see him hiding it, or view others picking it up (via view cams). Especially given the fact that no one is supposed to remove anything from private, state held or federally protected lands.

    • Alot of the webcams in parks are black at night . But personally I feel it is within 500′ of a trail, road or monument. The poem just takes you ‘over the river and through the dale’ to get there. Without re visiting the site I am not sure of any other way Forrest could be certain of visitors.

      • That makes sense. So you think that the treasure lies somewhere close to a popular area where many people would be treading? Interesting.

        • I think it’s not too far off on a trail. Maybe 500 feet down the trail and everyone wants to go down the whole trail and that’s why they pass it by?

          • Yeah, but it seems to me when he says people have gone right passed it after figuring out the second clue…that they have to go a little ways to where they think it is. Wow Bonnie…Cinnamon showers are the bomb. I feel healthier already.

          • Maybe, Stephi…..just a little farther than they thought they should go. Which is why I always say that people may be underestimating Forrest’s physical ability to get that chest out there to a very good location. One person said 50 feet from the road. Forrest wouldn’t make it that easy. Then again, sometimes our brains like to complicate matters over all.

    • Bonnie –

      As far as removing items from private, state held or federally protected lands, that mostly applies to private property, artifacts, etc. The laws pertaining to treasure troves are different. From my research, if treasure were to be found on any such property, there are things that are taken into consideration. One, is can the rightful owner be determined? Two, is was the treasure lost, abandoned or hidden? In the case we have here, all of those things are explained within the treasue itself. If it is found on any of the properties that you mentioned, the “I give you title to the gold” and other such info within the chest makes it yours.

      • Terry, I’d like to think you are correct on all points, but I’ve already read most of the laws in the areas we intend to search. Ain’t as cut and dry as that. At any rate, I’m still curbing my enthusiasm if I get to gaze on that chest 😉 And I’m still going run realfast and yell BEAR! BEAR! if I see a ranger 😉

        • NAGPRA is the federal law governing artifacts. It covers all lands including private property regarding the discovery of artifacts, relics, bones and other ancient items. The BLM and other gov entities have further restrictions. The u of NM/archeology has an article on their website that even governs meteorites stating that found meteorites automatically become the property of the Smithsonian. Go figure

          • I don’t know what the law states…but if it says you can’t take his treasure off federal or state land….everyone can leave the chest there that feels that applies to them. Then I’ll come by and scoop it up, because it won’t matter to me. The morals behind this is that Forrest hid it…wants others to be able to find it and anyone in government that wants to stake a claim over the finder is the morally wrong person here in my mind. I did read one of those links you guys posted and they were interesting…but one mentioned Idaho which I found ironic. I didn’t read what it said about that…but it was one of my favorite spots I could make it work. I know Forrest spent childhood time in Idaho too.

          • Stephi, I posted it for people to do their own research. I think Forrest has lived his life with his toes on the line if you know what I mean. Finding the treasure isn’t just about figuring out the clues, but also, having the willingness to take a risk, stick your neck out there and be brave and go for it. Understanding the law is an understanding of what to look out for and be wary of. I keep saying “be stealthy” for a reason. One does NOT want to attract attention to their efforts. Like a poker player, keep a straight face, have your bluff ready to go and keep your cards close to your vest. And remember: Run real fast and hollar BEAR! BEAR!

          • Stephi, I didn’t take any offense, girl 😉 See what I mean about you being nice? LOL Maybe I should use more emoticons? i tend to just tell it like I see it.

      • Bonnie – i don’t like this excert: The effect of ARPA as currently defined by federal regulations outlaws virtually all treasure hunting of items more than 100 years old, even treasure troves of gold and silver coin or scrip, under penalty of total forfeiture. Furthermore, the Federal policy against spoliation and removal of “archaeological resources” of any type from federal or Indian lands, even coins and scrip less than 100 years old, means it is unlikely that a finder of gold or silver coinage on Federal lands will prevail with an argument that the find constitutes a treasure trove of coinage, but rather “embedded property” that belongs to the property owner, i.e. the government.

      • Glad you figured that out, Terry. I don’t mean to discourage anyone, just be wary of the laws and how it can effect someone if they are in a certain situation. I don’t always agree with the laws myself because I know what happens to many artifacts confiscated by the government. It goes to a warehouse where it is lost or never seen again. So, even though the feds think they’re the best keepers of history, their track record says otherwise. I would certainly appreciate what I find in the woods. In spite of such laws in every country I’ve traveled, I’ve always come home with some little found trinket of history. No one has confiscated anything thus far, but something like this is not only big, but also well known by now. Rangers, gov agents….who knows who’s watching out now. The up side is sequestration may put a stranglehold on the feds ability to have rangers and agents in the field. *S*

  86. There are motion detecting cameras that are frequently used and disguised to view feeding areas of animals by hunters.

    • Might be implying anything is possible. He thinks it could possibly set there for 10,000 years. A lot can happen in that time.

    • Kevin….to throw you off. Reminds me of my philosophy professor who once said in class “the negation of negation is negation”. Everyone in class was scratching their heads over that comment throughout the entire hour. Finally, I asked him after class “just what is that supposed to mean?”. He gave me a sly smile and said “think”. Well, I thought about it and the only thing I could come up with is that the comment was merely an effort to get one to think about it and everything else. It didn’t mean anything specific. He was just telling us to use our brains to figure things out. I really like Dr. Kasulis. He was crazy in a good way. Mr. Zen.

  87. Forrest fenn emailed me back I asked him if the location I was thinking of was correct, his answer was if I told you then the thrill would be over and people would be disapointed

  88. Hard to always tell what Fenn means when says things, are we going to run out to our spot, i dont know about run it isnt far but to far to walk,
    when the weather is better, afterall, Its the Thrill of The Chase

  89. Just a foot note here: with sequestration taking effect Federal and State Park hours (and Rangers perhaps) may be greatly reduced. Keep it in mind and call ahead if you plan on traveling to a park for the chase.

  90. I’m just another goofy old guy that thinks he solved the poem…..But hey; the worst day of searching for treasure is better than a great day at work.

    Awhile back my wife sent me a link about Forrest’s treasure. She said, “You’re pretty good at figuring things out and you and this guy have some things in common; see if you can figure out what this goofy old Texan is talking about”…..I’m not sure how much Forrest and I have in common, but I will admit to being a goofy old Texan that is stuck in California right now.

    I’ve wandered all over the western United States and love being out in the wild photographing the wilderness, but I have a little different view on looking for the treasure than most. I’m looking for the treasure not sightseeing, I’m not saying I don’t love the job, but it is a job…..I don’t want to be like the 1st grade center fielder gazing around totally oblivious to the ball rolling by.

    After much research, gnashing of teeth, and many wild ideas deciphering the poem, I think I finally figured it out. Forest is a sly old dog and people will kick themselves when they find out where he hid the treasure. Forrest said, “The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with confidence. Nothing about it will be accidental.”

    What a hoot Forest is……..he is telling the absolute truth. Once I figured out where to start there was no philosophical leaps of faith or guessing; every line in the poem makes perfect since and tells you exactly where to go. Even these pictures make perfect sense, especially the human figure. I’m putting the money together now for a trip out there. I should have enough in a few weeks.

    While I’m getting the money I keep trying to pick my solution apart. More importantly my wife can’t find anything wrong with it……yet. Believe me, that is saying something. When I showed her my first solution (seems like eons ago) to the poem she just laughed and said I was looking for an excuse to go take pictures…….She’s done a lot of laughing and eye rolling listening to my wild ideas; but she’s not laughing now. She said there is no way I solved that goofy poem and even if I did there’s no way there is really a treasure there.

    So I made her a deal (while I’m getting the money together). I told her to read about Forrest and listen to his interviews and read what has been written about him, then go over my solution with her extremely skeptical eye; if she finds a problem with my solution or thinks Forrest is a fraud I won’t go. If Forrest and I can pass “the wife” test (she makes a scientific review board look lackadaisical); I’ll be on my way.

    I do love being out in the wilderness, I don’t know how many times I’ve driven over to Yosemite trying to get the perfect picture of the yearly firefall……….But due to distance and funds I’m only going to get one shot at this quest. I hope Forest isn’t too disappointed that I solved his poem (if I did) using just the web. If I’m correct, I even found a picture of the blaze on the web.

    • I think Forrest Has said it is in the Rocky mountain range. Yosemite is Sierra Range.

    • Hey Goofy,

      Do you really think you can figure this out on the web, really… I hope you don’t think its in Yosemite.

      • No, I don’t think it’s in Yosemite…….or any national park for that matter. Sorry for the confusion. I was just using that as an example of how I love being out in the wilderness. I’ve wondered through all of the western state’s back country and national parks for the past 40 years.

        I hope folks listen to the warnings that are being given; Mother Nature is very beautiful but she is also unforgiving and brutal if you aren’t prepared and don’t know what you are doing. Don’t get gold fever and be stupid…….Please be careful.

        As far as figuring it out on the web, that’s what I did. I know how ridiculous that sounds. When I come back empty handed I’ll post my solution to the poem line by line. If nothing else it will be a truly amazing coincidence and everyone can have a good laugh. Forrest should have a contest for the best wrong answer every year……..If the treasure is not where I think it is I would win that contests hands down.

      • Forrest has said and clarified, to my knowledge, that the chest lies NORTH of Sante Fe, and further states that he means The Rocky Mountains. I’m not sure why everyone seems to think it’s in Sante Fe. It’s not.The only thing you’ll find in Sante Fe is Forrest and the bookstore (and many interesting points of discovery). The Rocky mountains run from New Mexico all the way through Canada. That is a vast area to cover. Thus, one needs to be careful interpreting the clues. I tend to believe that the chest is in the USA, somewhere in the Rockies which still leaves several states to cover. Find where “warm waters halt” first. The rest should fall into place with all the clues listed (depending on one’s own interpretation of those clues). Several places come to mind, but in my search, only one place makes perfect sense to me. It doesn’t span several states. It does not cross over into other states (my interpretation) and all the clues fit nice and snug into my area.

    • I for one can’t wait to see your solution. Right or wrong. Just not sure how every clue fits without making any “leaps” since a few are so ambiguous and open to interpretation. In my mind mine fits perfectly and I would guess that if I explained to someone how I got that idea they would agree that yes it makes perfect sense. Or at the very least it’s a good spot to search. But being a poet and knowing that Forrest had a lot of time for tweaking this I am also assuming that he choose most of his words with purpose. I was just playing around having fun and I found 3 starting places that sounded really good scattered across the Rockies. I’ll admit that I did not rule out either of the ones furthest away from me because I knew there was no way I was going to get to go to either anytime soon. Instead I focused on the only one that was near enough to where I was going to be for me to make a day trip. I actually had a 2nd starting place that was nearby too but it seems many people had that same idea so I haven’t really researched it more. I think I will give it a little thought before I go just to see I find something I think they missed. I really wish there was a way to bounce my ideas off someone without having to worry that they would go out without me and grab the treasure if I was right. I will say that in my spot I have not found anything online that could be the blaze. Not even close. In the future I will focus on the ones further away from me and see where they lead me.

      • I agree Patricia; it would be great fun to bounce ideas off other people. I have come up with dozens of solutions that almost fit all across the west (like I said, I’ve wandered the back country for 40 years so I had all kinds of places in mind) but I couldn’t make all the clues fit……Close counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and slow dancing but not treasure hunting.

        Forrest said, “The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with confidence. Nothing about it will be accidental.”

        His statement was always in my head……..I didn’t know how “close” I could get on the web before I would have to go look in person. I would write down all my maybes and keep looking, always coming to a dead end. At each spot I would think, OK what would I do once I got there; and the answer was always……wander around like an idiot. I thought I should at least be able to find a place using the web where I could “move with confidence” to the next location, albeit in person.

        Once I found the correct starting place there was no ambiguity at all. Every clue fits like a glove and is exact. I find the trees and running man especially humorous. I honestly think I could get you to within a couple feet of the treasure, and like I said before, I actually found a picture of the blaze on the web.

        When I come back empty handed and broke I’ll post my solution and everyone can have a good laugh at this goofy old Texan. But I’ll bet you a thousand bucks I would win the best wrong answer of the year award.

        And even if my super skeptical wife gives me a thumbs down after reviewing everything, I’ll post my solution anyway. I’m going to find out if I’m correct one way or the other.

  91. BLAZE used as a noun can be ….: a trail marker; especially : a mark made on a tree by chipping off a piece of the bark.
    If someone found that, they are right there.

    • Jason-
      Does that mean you think the thousands of blazes carved in trees and rocks that are out in the mountains are all pointing to Forrest’s treasure?

  92. The original surveyor of the Santa Fe Trail in the 1800’s was a guy named Joseph Brown. I’ve spent days researching this guy and can’t come up with anything leading me to “house of Brown” but find it to much of a coincidence to let go.

  93. Browns house was near govenors oalace by santa fe trail…….rio chama is warm water halts at el vado dam

  94. I think the Brilliant aspect of the poem is how general and non specific it is. It could literally seem applicable to probably hundreds of locations. My guess is that some clues are literal, some are more figurative, and some will only make sense to Forrest himself.

    If I were him, I would do the same thing. His purpose was to get people out and about… once the treasure is found, all that will cease.

    My guess is that it will not be found for a long time, people will come and go, claiming to have the answer because it all makes perfect sense… but, unless you can get in his mind and know exactly what he was thinking, you are out of luck.

    I always chuckle a little bit when I hear those who claim to know its hiding place.

  95. Maybe the comment about taking a flashlight is because its a place you can only go at night. Where it is protected during the day because its off limits to the public. 🙂 just thoughts.

  96. Kinda love the idea that the word blaze could be a play on words or could have literal meaning. I’m inclined to believe the latter. I think Forest made this poem simple and straightforward. So blatantly straightforward that when the treasure finally is found, all of us will slap our heads and go, DUH!

    Back to the “blaze” – I think Forest might be providing a pictographic clue of what trail blaze to look out for when you finally (hopefully) reach the area where the treasure is located.

    Moreover, isn’t it interesting to note that the blaze looks like a crow-indian pictograph? Makes me want to go to the Pictograph caves near Billings, MT to do a little more “digging”. Literally.

  97. I got an email from a woman the other day telling me to go to Sante Fe, then go to some park and down the road is a cemetery and I should dig under a headstone with the name of Brown. Says she can’t look for it, but decided to give me her idea and I should give her ten percent. What cha all think, guys n gals? Should I commit a felonious act and go grave digging in a cemetery? LOL

  98. I am curious as to whether Mr. Fenn has made any biblical or religious references in any of his writings.

    • He’s said that some people need religion more than others. He has mentioned god in the book. So believe he believes…I have a feeling he’s just saying that maybe he doesn’t need organized religion…and he feels close to god when he’s out fishing in his secret spot. That’s just my guess though…I don’t know for fact his religious beliefs.

  99. Stephanie, i thank you for your response. I know you’ve been at it for a while now and your opinions hold great value.

  100. “Put in below the home of Brown”
    Now from my reading Fenn knew his geology. There is a couple different minerals that are mined in and out of Santa FE. One being Lignite and the other being humate both which are brown in color. I think this is a cavern within a vertical wall that the treasure is placed in. “Home” is not always a house but home is for anyone or anything to stay in. Home to the brown Lignite or Humate which the treasure was put in below it.

    • I thought it was obvious that it was in a cavern or cave somewhere but where in the heck is Where warm waters halt??? I’d bet my ridiculous paycheck that it has nothing to do with hot springs or a warm river. That’s way to easy.

      Dear Forrest, I’m the farthest thing from a couch potato, I spend just about every weekend in the outdoors. Most of my friends are couch potatoes and I feel sorry for them not getting out and enjoying nature. I have now reached a point of committing myself to therapy because I can’t stop my obsessive compulsive desire to figure out this poem. Anyone else feeling the same affect??????

      Dal, I tink you should start a group therapy sessions. LOL

      • I’ve been in therapy for two years…it doesn’t cure you(I don’t want to be cured)…but does help deal with the highs and lows(way more highs). How do you think Forrest got his honorary psychology degree? Dealing with all of us 😉

        • I almost don’t even care about the treasure so much, I just want to figure out the where to begin. The only pleasure I get, is laughing at people stating, either they know where the treasure is, or they know what the other clues mean.

          Here’s some free advice for everyone! None of your explanations for the rest of the 8 clues mean diddly if you can’t figure out the where it begins. But please keep the comments coming about the clues, my laughter is the only thing keeping me from going insane.

          • The treasure means a lot to me…If I’m the one fortunate enough to figure it out…but I know what you mean about the figuring out the poem…that is the part that intrigues my mind the most. I don’t mind the people who say they know where it is out of excitement..I’ve felt that way so many times and I’m excited for them to have that belief. I don’t like the ones who say they got it when they didn’t….because those people I feel turn people away from even trying.

          • Stop the insanity…. I finally have a starting point that’s not from the obvious, praise baby Jesus. But does one starting point justify driving across the country???

          • Slope66, if you do plan on searching for the treasure, seriously, I would take the time to figure out the remaining clues that gets you into a specific area….and one you feel fairly confident about. Otherwise, you may find yourself twirling and whirling around getting lost and confused and, ultimately, wasting a whole lot of time unless you were planning on going to someplace in particular for other purposes anyway. Just my pitiful 2 cents.

          • Hey Bonnie,

            yes, some of the next clues are within the area, but you can’t verify them completely until you’re actually there. Forrest is to smart and has planned this out for years. He’s not going to let us figure this out on the internet, that would defeat the whole purpose. He is one crafty individual….

  101. Sloppe66, hey I’m from massachusetts and advent hunter/outdoorsman and explorer. I’d love to pair up with you and go for this. I have some really good ideas to where this is. I also have friends that live close by to these spots. Email me if your interested

  102. Slope66, hey I also do a lot with geocaching. I’m very good at finding little treasures.

  103. Here’s a thought. North of Santa Fe may not be Santa Fe NM. It may be another town or street. There is a Santa Fe in Sonora Mexico. North of that is AZ. He also said it was about 300 miles west of Toledo. 300 miles west of Toledo street in Texas is AZ and intersects with North of Santa Fe Sonora Mexico. The Grand Canyon. He also mentioned something about parking his truck at the Az State University so it wouldn’t be there when they found his gold and his bones. What do you think? He wants us to think its north of Santa Fe NM but its not. Maybe? what do you think?

    • You need to read the TIP sheet on this blog. Forrest did say Santa Fe, New Mexico and there are no Rocky Mountains in Arizona.

      • Ahh ok. So then Im going with my original thought…lol. You start thinking and Sometimes I think you get too far out of the box…lol

  104. So I am only going to try this one more time to post to this blog cause I am not getting any responses to the last few that I posted so here it goes, otherwise good luck hunting!!

    Do you all thing that Forrest put a blaze at each way point along the route to the treasure or is there just one blaze located directly where the treasure is?
    So if I start at where the warm waters halt will there be a blaze there if it is the correct location?
    To correctly know that you found the exact starting place in the poem would there be something he put there that would confirm it, if so if you found a blaze in the middle way point you would not have to start at the beginning?
    He did state in the poem If u’ve been wise and found the blaze does the mean only one then
    instead of him saying blazes?
    I am thinking there almost certainly has to be more than one cause how would you ever know where he meant by begin it was?
    This also means you could stumble upon the chest and then never know where it begin it is?
    Interesting thought I hope?

    • Hey Tim,

      I think many have moved on to other blog entries and not everyone who post here has requested to be updated when a new entry occurs. However, here are my thoughts.

      The assumption being made is that the blaze is a trail marker. That may be true and it may not be true. It is logical to think that there would be multiple blazes if the blaze is a trail mark.

      I posed a similar statement to Forrest by e-mail the day before he sent those pictures to Dal. Was it just coincidence – probably.

      I am of the mind these days that the blaze is the treasure itself. “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, look quickly down your quest to cease”.

      Nothing says that finding the blaze is the final clue. Forrest doesn’t say specifically what the clues are except the one’s he gives on the Today show.

      One way to read this is that it is simply and instruction to look at the blaze itself. Its at ground level and you found it so look down at it or something to that effect but tarry scant. Just pick it up and go in peace.

      I guess the short answer is that it is hard to say. One thing is for certain, when a person find’s the treasure there will be no mistaking it because you have found the golden blaze.

      The clues lead one sequentially to the treasure. If the blaze it right where the treasure is, then in that sense you should now look down? . . . well i think you must be standing on or over it then and therefore trail mark or no trail mark – you have found the blaze!

      Forrest has said that a child could find it if they were to stumble upon it . . . so i wouldn’t worry so much about a trail blaze but look for the sequential steps that lead to it’s resting place.

      Also, i think that one has a better chance of understanding the poem if they read Forrest’s book “The Thrill of the Chase” for additional insights. There are other subtle hints that have been dropped and are contained within the blog pages here and elsewhere in interviews and maybe even some of Forrest other books but i have never heard him say as such except for the clues like:

      . how far can an 80 year old man carry it?
      . more than a few have been within 500 feet of it
      . A child could find it
      . Its north of Santa Fe and
      . Its above 5,000 feet.

      I hope that helps,

      • Thanks John Paul
        So let me pose this then!
        If the treasure location is not marked or blazed then you literally would have to stumble upon it
        I have searched in the wild and I have read the book but the wild areas I searched are so vast that even if you found the location and it is not blazed you probably would walk right past it
        Do not all pirates or people hiding treasure mark it somehow, at least on a map!
        I told Forrest even if he told me the canyon it was in I still would not have found it unless it was marked by something like a small billbaord.
        Sort of reminds me of the movie Vegas Vacation where Chevy Chase is digging up Randy Quids kidney money in his yard and he did not mark where it was buried.

        By the way I like your artwork are you in New Mexico like say Santa Fe, I live in Albuquerque

      • Hello Tim,

        Well yes, I suppose in a canyon or on a mountain it could be anywhere. A cave might be a little different and I would think that it depends on the location.

        I went to one place and when I got to my destination right there was a ring of stones that had been used at sometime perhaps for a fire. That is a blaze. A few feet back was a bronze forestry survey marker (a blaze of sorts) and in between the two was three inch wide steel hollow tube buried into the ground. It had been filled with rocks – probably by kids trying to see how far a rock would go perhaps, I don’t know. I didn’t have a shovel to dig there.

        Thanks for your comments, I’m glad you like my work on – I am trying to get them into a gallery in Santa Fe but, though many like the work, their roster are full. They are but I say hey, take one on commission – if it sells I’ll send more. :). Any ideas who I should contact Mr. Fenn? 😉

        Anyway, thanks Tim for your comments. If you know of galleries please let me know. I live in Placitas. Cheers!

    • I’m guessing you’ve gotten a lot of responses, but I’m just catching up on my email. I think that’s an interesting idea that there would be more than one blaze. None of us know, but Forrest though what’s what. Hope you stick around.

  105. Hi Dal,

    I was just curious why Forrest sends everything to you directly. Or does he post these photos and requests somewhere and you post them. Thanks 🙂

    • Forrest does not “send everything” to me. We communicate back and forth via email every day. I visit him a few times a year. He asks me to post things on this blog that he wants to share with searchers because I can generally get things up quickly and because this blog has about 12 thousand hits per day which means many searchers check here once a day or more.

      • So I assume you don’t get any special treatment…hints? 😛 Thanks for all you are doing!

      • If I do they haven’t done me much good…I certainly have not found it and seem to be way behind others here who keep posting that they know where it is (I don’t believe them)…

        • Hmm do you think if Forrest invited me for another visit and I used a little Old Spice that I might get my emails from him ramped up a bit? Just trying to figure out your methods.

      • I think if you wore that pink silky thing you mentioned earlier it could …
        I know that’s what I wear…

  106. Man is Running Left – so Left of “FE” or Left of “Santa Fe” – my only contribution so far, I’m guessing Aspen Colorado – I cannot make the trip – cannot afford it, but helping others or am I just throwing more useless information out there – no clue! *just learned about Forrest and his treasure a few days ago…. Interesting and fun, I wish there was a treasure to find in every state! Maybe Forrest will give others some nice ideas!

    • Know your Fennerisms! That mans not running left. He’s running “nigh”. 🙂


      • I love my hubbies old spice deoderant. It drives me wild! You might just have a good idea there!

      • That posted in the wrong spot. I gotta stop using my phone for blogging purposes. Ugh!

    • I found it interesting that he is stating it hasn’t been found according to questions he asked about where they found it. What he’s not clarifying is if he knows definitively that it’s still there. There is a good possibility that someone will not say a thing to remain anonymous for either tax purposes or worried about the land they found it on. It would sure be nice to know one way or the other.

  107. People say that so others stop looking. You can’t blame them for trying 🙂

    • So he has said this before and I believe him, so how does he it has not been found, that is what I would like to know?
      If it is in boonies he would have to go there would he not to know for sure?
      So this seems to me that its not in the wild!!!
      So Forrest you must still have it and will you give it me (please) (pretty pleae) (pretty please with sugar on top) or do I need to say like open sesame or something
      Hey it does’nt hurt to ask maybe nobody has and maybe you just needs to ask and himn for it and maybe nobodyy has!!
      Thinking out of the box here

      • Or maybe he has someone go check on it. I don’t think he ever said he never told anyone. His answer is just simply that two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead. That’s not answering the question he’s been asked.

        • So can I be the checker when the current one is on vacation Forrest
          I will do it for free but first tell me where it is to check on it
          Then I and the current checker can retire cause then I will tell you that it has been found or maybe I will tell you it is still there but in reality in my garage.
          So Steph why would’nt the current checker just say that as well?
          or maybe they have taken it and said it is still there? How would he ever know that if he never checks it. Don’t think there ia a checker
          I thought that was pretty funny
          Or when is found someone would say I thought that there were alot more gold in there from the picture, oh it must have been that cherry picking checker had sticky fingers.

  108. I keep coming back to these blazes and wondering if there will be something like those markings to point us to the spot where the treasure is. I feel as though I have found a very good candidate to get close but don’t see how I could possibly find it without seeing one or more blazes. I guess I’ll just have to go there and look. 😀

    • I think it is interesting how the entire poem is in present tense. Begin it, take it, put in, etc. until the blaze part then it is past tense, “If you’ve BEEN wise and FOUND the blaze…” Is that his way of telling us we need to know what the blaze is or where it is, before we begin the quest? Remember he also said if we know ITS coordinates we would be able to find the treasure. Not, if we knew the treasures coordinates we could find it. ITS = blaze? Just some observations! Thanks all!

        • I have said the same. It sounds as though he’s telling himself what he’s doing as he does it. Kind of looking through his eyes. Then in the next stanza its about you.

      • Molly just where did Mr forest make this statement about coordinates? Would like to review that, can you post a link?

      • Would like informative posts to have links to *He said* @ link. it would help all of us to sort out the good from the bad.

      • Chad, et al: I read the coordinates thing on the Saunier blog, dated June 19th, 2012. I have never seen it anywhere else, it has not been repeated anywhere else that I know of. Dal do you have any feedback for when or where he might have said that, and/or to whom it was said? — “5. “If you had its coordinates, you would be able to find the treasure.” This ‘extra’ clue could be a game changer except . . . well, you know . . . it’s probably not. Still, like all of you who already knew of this clue, I immediately set off on a search of Forrest’s entire Memoir for numbers (as well as to REI in search of a new GPS…)”–

      • If he did say it, it is an obvious non-clue. Duh, if you knew the treasures coordinates you could find it. Except as I mentioned he doesn’t say that. He says if you knew ITS coordinates you could find the treasure. Read that way it could be an actual hint at a clue. Oh well. I still can’t figure it out. 🙁

        • After some thought I have come to believe Forest was referring to the blaze If he did say ” It’s coordinates” Which would fit the sprite of the chase.

      • Molly-
        I have no additional information about that remark. I do not know anything about it…Now having said that, someone will next point out that I wrote about it somewhere on this blog….lol…
        It will be a surprise to me…

  109. The “running man” effigy on the tree…..kokopelli trickster luring you into the woods. It’s just Forrest dancing with glee like the piper of Hamlin.

  110. Upon further review of these photo’s it appears they have more going on than just the main subject of each. Has anyone else noticed the finer details in what everyone is calling the rubbing man ? I would love to hear everyone’s thoughts on the matter.

  111. You guys are crazy…lol. you are all looking way to far into things. In the meantime your confusing yourselves even more…lol. its kind of fun to watch.

    • What’s funnier is that you talk like you know where it is in order to try to make us all feel bad about the way we’re searching. How about you go find it…then make fun of us all that we missed it over your solution conclusion. K?

      • Stephanie, I’m not being arrogant at all. I’m not saying I know where it is but what I am saying is that forrest himself said the poem is the only thing you need. I think you do not need to look so far into things and when you do you only complicate what is not complicated. Sorry if I offended you. Wasnt meant that way.

        • Pete, I think what people are trying to say is that everyone who has gone after the treasure thus far has been positive that they knew where the treasure was. Once they actually got to the spots they thought the treasure was at, they fell short. No one, and I do mean “NO ONE” really knows anything at all until they’ve been in the field and tested their theories. Therefore, to state that one knows where the treasure is before even getting their boots wet, does sound arrogant, especially to those who have been diligently searching numerous times since Forrest hid the treasure. When we all hear those words from those who have not been out in the woods, we all tend to scoff a bit and mumble, “yeah, right, prove it by retrieving the treasure.” The only person who gets bragging rights is the person (or people) who actually put their hands on it. I do hope that whomever finds the treasure has the decency to at least let Forrest know so we can either celebrate or cry like babies.

          • Several years ago an author and philanthropist, Michael Stadther, published ATreasure Trove with cryptic instructions to locate tokens to 12 precious gems hidden across the US. I was in on the hunt from early on and had the location for the initial find but spent a solid week searching and hiking a PA State Park just 30 miles from my house, Because I did not know a tree was selected I spent time under rocks, under bridges etc Needless to say I missed that 25K jewel (But I did grab the next one a 50K jewel in NY state park Point bring, unless you have all clues deciphered, you may be in the right ballpark but the wrong row of seats packimocity

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          • Yes, exactly. We could all read things into the clues to get us in the same general areas, but the crux of the biscuit is geting a bullseye on the target. Do you really think Forrest would give us the exact blaze he refers to in the poem? i don’t think so.

        • I wasn’t offended…and I agree with your statement…just felt it was said in a way that was laughing at searchers and I feel we should be supportive of each other. Thanks for explaining that.

    • I think what Pete is trying to convey is these little tidbits that Forrest is leaving us, throws everyone into a tizzy about what they may or may not mean. I’ve seen more ideas thrown around about these pictures instead of everyone trying to focus in on where to begin or trying to unlock what the poem is really telling us. Like Forrest has said, those who have studied it and analyzed it over and over will eventually unlock the secret. It’s going to take a lot of heads together to figure this out. No matter how many pictures he sends out to everyone, if we can’t figure out the poem I don’t how they will help, especially when he states that the poem is all that you need.

      • Slope66, I kind of agree with you about the attention payed to the pics that Forrest sends. People get in a tizzy immediately thinking that “this is the blaze” that we should be thinking of and looking for. But I think Forrest loves to tease us just because of the penchant we have to over think something. The “running man” icon carved into the tree is a kokopelli. Kokopelli is the trickster, dancing wildly about, joking and gesturing for us to follow him into the woods of fairies and fantasies. Kokopelli plays his flute and spreads the seeds of curiosity amongst the followers.

        • LOL Bonnie…such a fantastical idea behind your idea and I just think it’s a pedestrian sign…..I better go back to creative mind school, because I like your idea better….although logically I think I’m right.

          • Actually, Stephi, it’s not so much a fantastical idea at all. Kokopelli is a common icon of the Hopi and is used excessively throughout the region. It is the god of tricksters (probably taken from the Anasazi iconography). It is a joyful prankster that sows seeds of curiosity (the backpack) and plays the flute (the stick) to lure those hearing it’s sounds (gurgling flowing waters, birds’ songs, winds through the trees) deep into the woods. Forrest knows these things. He’s studied them, He’s collected them. He’s followed them. He invites us to do the same. You know Forrest loves to tease. Kokopelli is his little demi-god. His spirit. Forrest shares his curiosity with us. Thus, he lures us into the search by using Kokopelli to temp and cajole and even trick us into thinking something we might not imagine.

          • Stephi…..and that’s how I think in the wee hours 😉 Wait until I’ve had some sleep and awaken to some high octane joe. *L*

          • Vanilla? LOL…..I’m more of the cinnamon girl variety. A little spice is nice *S*

  112. I agree, I think he is having some fun with all of this, I would do the same thing. This has to be enjoyable for Forrest on the level that he knows a lot of people are getting out, and he certainly knows a lot of people are thinking, using their brains, educating themselves on geography and history with ease, maybe more so than they ever did in school! I know I enjoy that part of this for sure, always kinda been a history geek though. Without over thinking things too much – as I usually do – when all is said and done, there will be a subtle clue or two in the collection of photos (all, not just the aspens). I find it hard to believe this guy who knows more about collecting artifacts than anyone needs the collective masses’ opinion about a spanish painting on a piece of terracotta. He did say opinion, not “does anyone know what this thing is?” Hmm well so much for overthinking, heck I’m still having trouble with the word “north”. Enjoy

    • Kokopelli is the perfect spirit for Forrest. Story teller, trickster, imp of fertile thoughts tempting us, luring us, teasing us into flights of fancy and the Thrill of the Chase! I imagine Forrest getting great belly laughs from some of our comments and ideas about the treasure. That is his joy, his heartbeat…and we follow in the dance. We are forever changed as we follow the Pied Piper deep into the woods and canyons, over the streams.

  113. Bonnie i love and respect your theory on the matter. I know you’ve been at this for awhile. It took me a day or so to come to an opinion of the photo’s and it ended up in the same direction as yours. Nobody answered my question though (frown). Doesn’t anyone else see the head within a head on the so called running man ?

    • Dazed, thanks, I guess, but you don’t have to love or respect anything I say. I’ve been researching this for over a year reading, re-reading, under-lining, highlighting, regurgitating, taking notes, making diagrams, pouring over numerous maps old and new. We’ve followed Forrest and Osborne and Donny and pulling apart every word in that poem and book. We’ve been doing this every day until we can get there and prove our theories. I lay no claim on being 95%, 98% or 100% sure of anything until we see it for ourselves. We also have enjoyed every single moment trying to figure out Forrest even more than the poem itself sometimes. Forrest is smart. He’s a prankster, a story teller, a poker player. I’ll bet he can bluff with a straight face, no doubt. But even the best poker player has a tell. When Forrest tosses out a morsel of a “clue”, it may well be useless, but just a tidbit to see who bites down hard. I think he gets his jollies by watching what we think, say and do. As to the kokopelli’s head….look it up. He wears a head dress. Consider the scar and how it heals. have fun *S*

      The beauty of Forrest’s poem is that it can mean many different things to many different people. It is in how each one interprets the clues. That makes each one’s search for the treasure unique in itself.

  114. Some sort of message that he’s trying to get into our heads maybe, not that that isn’t already the case lol.

  115. Hey Dal- any chance Forrest knows Photoshop? There is no doubt there have been some serious, and intentional, alterations made to those photos… by a relative amateur I might add. Looks like the combination of historian, artifact collector, photographer and graphic designer (amongst countless other random interests) has finally found harmonic use!

    • I don’t believe Forrest uses Photoshop. But I do. I cropped & resized the photos before posting them. What do you see?

      • Smooth answer Dal, i was splitting a gut when i read Wayfarer’s comment.

        BTW, i see the first F as a river named Forrest and another F as Cave named Fenn running like hell from all the madness for a pot of gold Way far over the rainbow!

      • There have been entire sections of 1, and most likely 2, of the photos replaced/added. And this isn’t gold fever” talkin… well, not JUST gold fever anyway! I do a ton of photo work and have developed an eye for alterations. I will email you the photos with the most obvious sections circled this afternoon.

      • Just having fun with all the above 400+ references (including mine) to what we are making out of these photos. It’s an old thread. . .

  116. Hey Dal- I just emailed over the photos highlighting the most obvious areas of manipulation on two of those photos. And John Paul, I agree it’s an old and played-out thread, but discovering (not just wildly speculating), that photos from Forrest have been manipulated I think is pretty significant. Whether or not it helps is another question!

    • Hey Wayfarer,

      Please contact me via my website I think the link in my name will take you there. I am a photographer too and would like to look at the photos you are sending Dal. I’ll respond to your contact so that you will have my e-mail for sending the pics.


    • Paul-
      You are absolutely correct about one photo but not the other. On the running man photo there was a string of small lights wrapped around the tree at the bottom when Forrest sent it. Since the object of that post was to see if folks could figure out where those trees were at, I removed the light string and was not careful about it. The light string would have been a dead giveaway to the location of those trees, which was Forrest’s back yard. There are both photos and video footage of those trees in Forrest’s yard with the Fs on them floating around the internet.

      Within a day folks had figured out those photos were from the trees in Forrest’s backyard anyway, even without the light string. There are some sharp folks out there. After everyone was finished guessing I added the text in red to that post that admitted where the trees were located and the other things they had determined.

      I think everyone had fun figuring it out…

      As far as I know you were the first to spot the actual photoshopping. However only the running man image was photoshopped. The others were only cropped and reduced in size.

      Nice detecting!!


      • Hi Dal,

        I think Kelly and Ron started looking at the metadata in the images. I first suggested that they were from his backyard based on earlier pictures of an animal in his backyard and as snow picture of his lake. Gaylene pointed out the YouTube video. However, it is Wayfarer who deserves credit for detecting the photoshop work. Good show! This has been a fun and very informative thread.


      • Right Indy, the box is probably in the pond in his back yard, right behind his house where those aspens and the blazes are located. 🙂

  117. The Running Man on that TREE is quite signiificant indeed! Brown man! Which state has the most Brown men? Montana, Idaho, Wyoming , Utah, Colorado, or New Mexico?

  118. Well as I set out to NM I drove 1800 miles only to lose my transmission 2/3 of the way through Kansas. Cost me 1800.00. My treasure hunt ended without even searching 🙁

      • This whole thing could become Faustian. It could, but I believe that one of you fine folk while being most deliberate of each planned step will trip over the prize.

      • I finally just made it home with no treasure or search and about 2800.00 more in the hole between a new transmission, gas and tolls. 🙁

      • My chase has turned into finding a affordable class C RV it has always been a dream to explore the rest of our country that way later in life.
        I always wanted to see what I saw in my view finder as a child in person some day.
        So maybe Forrest has inspired me to start a little sooner.

  119. My Hint= it’s a “Birch” tree and maybe it’s a man jumping over a LOG, or something, if your in the mountains lift up a log…..??

  120. This is my Best and last clue: #1. it’s Not a (bike helmet). #2 . Paul likes Brown pants.

  121. I am a female fly fisher”woman” and have some info for you treasure hunters:
    “Just heavy loads and water high,” means:
    In fly fishing terms, which Mr. Fenn is an avid one…
    Heavy–weight of line
    Load–flex of rod while casting
    Water high–up stream
    You ALWAYS cast up stream so the fly floats naturally down stream.
    “There’ll be no paddle up your creek,”
    Means you are in waders walking IN the creek.
    “Drawing nigh”–casting and retrieving on the left side
    Hope this helps with your hunt. Looks as though these lines are indicating a favorite fishing spot he’s used that he would go alone to that has rich memories from his childhood and are old ones now. They are treasures he keeps in his head. The descriptive in the poem gives a river location to his secret fishing hidey-hole. Since the treasure is covered with snow, it won’t be in water. And since at one time he was thinking of curling up and dying beside it, being the Indian expert he is, it suggests a over hang, small nook or cave for the treasure spot, off the river he loved to fish for trout. Possibly on the nigh side (left) up from a blaze on the water-loving aspen tree. This is my two cents worth, as I said, being a fisherwoman and have the same love for it as Mr. Fenn. It’s pretty cut and dry clues, using fly fishing terminology! Good Hunting!

      • I was trying to figure out if you know Photoshop and found this comment from way back where you said in red text above “You saw that I resized them in Photoshop on my Mac.”

    • If you’re talking about the photos on this blog [ here ] and the three mentioned on MWs Are they not 3 of the same? as far as I recall there are only three known photos in the public view. At least to the best of my knowledge.

      So the answer should be… the same person. But I’m so confused lately I don’t even know my own name.

      JayA …. chased by alien dragons eggs in peanut butter park.

        • Just havin a little fun… killing a little time this morning or is time killing me… Anyways, glad you have a sense of humor.

          How about … lou lee chased by Winne the pooh, chased by honey bees in the hundred acre wood.

  122. I agree with some here that the color brown is significant because it has been associated with “F” so @ home of Brown is F blaze.

      • Yes indeed,
        Happy Birthday Mrs. Fenn, and wishing you continued health and good fortune. You have done an amazing job with Mr. Fenn!

        • I think it’s wonderful that people can see so many different things in Forrest’s poem. That’s perhaps the way good poetry should be. And it is a beautiful poem no matter how one reads it.
          Regardless of him perhaps thinking of himself as merely a “trader” of art, I think he is much more. (Perhaps we all are.)
          And with regards to the treasure, I believe his reference to “not” meek implies something other than you have suggested.

  123. Blazes on aspens can last a very long time. Last year I photographed one with the clear date of 1925. It was one of many blazed aspens in a small mountain meadow in NM north of Santa Fe. Another was clearly dated in 1946 and said “Ride em cowboy”. I’ll send them to Dal in case he would like to post them.

  124. Did anyone determine why f sent these photos? March 4 2013, the day of this post, is actually the day Fran Warren (Sunday Kind Of Love from TFTW) died. Interestingly enough, Fenn took these photos the day before, which was a Sunday. Not saying this means anything, just a connection to the photos sent to Dal. Possibly f’s tribute to the loss of a great singer.

    • PL289: based on the 540+ comments above, I would say no — no one has solved the mystery of why Forrest sent those pictures uncaptioned for Dal to post. IMO, the answer would only be meaningful to someone who had solved what and where the blaze is.

    • The running-man blaze with the odd helmet bears a strong resemblance to Forrest’s stick-figure football illustration in SB #100, including the arm extending through the body to poke out the back.

  125. I’ve been silent for a long time and now I’m acting like a braggart and I gotta stop. However, IMO this is the most important piece of information other than the poem. If your solve does not include these, again IMO, you will not find the final two cards in your poker hand. The ” running man” is the joker. Or is it me? Only time will tell. No more talk from now on, I’ll only listen. Thanks for letting me indulge in some endorphin release, my nerves are all on end as I type this. Good Luck All!

  126. Scrapbook Twenty-three…
    title has 20 letters+”twenty three”=43 + the letters in sb = 52

    carve03 carve02 carve01
    66 letters in last sentence, 66 and 43=109
    Forrest sent these without explanation a few minutes ago. Where in the blazes are these? I know what some of you are thinking but I am not sure…
    22 letters to digging.
    (Stephanie is busy digging out her old photos to compare…)
    10 words to and, 33 letters to break in sentence=43
    My favorite is the running guy with the bike helmet and what appears to be a spike on his back..perhaps he’s running from a bear in Yellowstone…

    Different fonts for the “f”..
    remove the numbers three/four and you are left with 17 words
    and they definitely look like they could have been around for three/four years…

    35 words.
    Okay…you guys have figured this out…congrats…

    I’m going to repeat what your sleuthing has revealed…

    Forrest sent those pics this morning.

    You got the date of the photos correct…he took them yesterday.

    You probably got the time of day that he took the photos correct..even though the clock on his camera was inaccurate…
    22 words in sentence……….35 words below.
    You saw the stucco wall in the back correctly.

    You got the location correctly…Forrest’s backyard.

    You matched that “F” to both the YouTube video and the earlier photo taken with my Canon 7D.
    why is the 22nd word and it’s capitalized.
    You saw that I resized them in Photoshop on my Mac.

    You guys are good..

    But what we don’t know is WHY he sent them…

    He has always given me some sort of caption for the photos he has sent…until these…
    17 words in the sentence.
    But I don’t think we’ll know why he sent them until the treasure is found…the blaze is found…
    blaze is the 17th word in sentence. 17words remaining. 17×3=52
    Is this a hint..or just a test of everyone’s sleuthing ability..?

    I do not know…


  127. Scrapbook Twenty-three…
    title has 20 letters+”twenty three”=43

    carve03 carve02 carve01
    66 letters in last sentence, 66 and 43=109
    Forrest sent these without explanation a few minutes ago. Where in the blazes are these? I know what some of you are thinking but I am not sure…
    22 letters to digging.
    (Stephanie is busy digging out her old photos to compare…)

    My favorite is the running guy with the bike helmet and what appears to be a spike on his back..perhaps he’s running from a bear in Yellowstone…

    Different fonts for the “f”..
    remove the numbers three/four and you are left with 17 words
    and they definitely look like they could have been around for three/four years…

    35 words.
    Okay…you guys have figured this out…congrats…

    I’m going to repeat what your sleuthing has revealed…

    Forrest sent those pics this morning.

    You got the date of the photos correct…he took them yesterday.

    You probably got the time of day that he took the photos correct..even though the clock on his camera was inaccurate…
    22 words in sentence……….35 words below.
    You saw the stucco wall in the back correctly.

    You got the location correctly…Forrest’s backyard.

    You matched that “F” to both the YouTube video and the earlier photo taken with my Canon 7D.
    why is the 22nd word and it’s capitalized.
    You saw that I resized them in Photoshop on my Mac.

    You guys are good..

    But what we don’t know is WHY he sent them…

    He has always given me some sort of caption for the photos he has sent…until these…
    17 words in the sentence.
    But I don’t think we’ll know why he sent them until the treasure is found…the blaze is found…
    blaze is the 17th word in sentence. 17words remaining. 17×3=52
    Is this a hint..or just a test of everyone’s sleuthing ability..?

    I do not know…


  128. The running man in the carving on one of the trees, clearly has left a FOOTPRINT. I don’t know who carved these onto the trees. Could have been anyone. But, I wonder if FF found them and the footprint caught his eye. We are looking for a footprint stamped in “time”.

    I also notice that the ‘F’ was more than likely carved into the two different trees at different times. Several people have noted that the “font” is different. I’m not sure it is. What is different is that the tree has grown over time and the ‘F’ carved into the tree earlier has been altered over time so that it is not as clear as the more recent carving of ‘F’.

    There are the clues IMO

  129. I think I know why he sent the pictures of the two F’s… my suspicion is that Dal knows as well. How the Running Man fits into it I’m not sure yet.

  130. Recently when I went to visit Chief Joseph’s grave I noticed the shape of the original territory and reduced Nez Perce reservation. Pretty country and it was really nice to stop in and say hello to one of my dad’s Army buddies who is part of the Colville tribe. Full circle moments are rare but important. We should have more of those. Learning is a spiral not a linear dead end road.

  131. Does anyone know or can anyone say what year scrapbook 23 was posted?

    Thank you in advance

    Travis Brown

    • Dal has the date in the URL so the answer to your question is 2013.

      I also sometimes just look at the first comment’s date on the page as those typically match the release date.

  132. the man is running from the woodsman.he’s thinking best to leave that tree in a hurry before it’s to late; hope he makes it. He will probably be looking for a fruit bearing where he can rest and get a bite to eat; a pear tree maybe. The one F looks as though it’s upgrading at a slower rate. They may have been both E’s sometime in the past. imo

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