Tarry Scant…Part One


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March on. Do not tarry. To go forward is to move toward perfection. March on, and fear not the thorns, or the sharp stones on life’s path. 

Khalil Gibran


So I thought I’d try and look at one of the phrases Forrest wrote in his poem which seems to be a source of confusion for some searchers…”tarry scant”.
This is found in the fourth stanza of the six stanza poem.
If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.

The entire stanza appears to be a set of directions based upon the searcher having found the blaze…

“Tarry” could be either a noun, adjective or verb, depending on it’s use in the sentence.
As an adjective, tarry is spelled the same but pronounced differently and has a completely different meaning. We’ll explore that meaning a little further on. I believe Forrest is using the word as either a noun or a verb and it wouldn’t matter much which it is because the meaning of the line would not change.

To me, in non-poetic English, the stanza reads one of two ways:

Once you’ve found the blaze,
Look directly down and you’ll see what you’ve been searching for,
Don’t be tempted to linger there and stare at the marvelous chest,
Just take it and go with my blessings.


Once you’ve found the blaze,
Look directly down and you’ll see what you’ve been searching for,
Don’t be tempted to linger there and stare at the marvelous view,
Just take it and go with my blessings.

In either case the basic message is the same:
Don’t be mesmerized by what you see. Just grab the chest and go.

So for me, “tarry scant” simply means to “move on quickly”.

But to others it has meant different things. This is particularly true when Tarry is used as an adjective. In this case it is pronounced differently and comes from the root, “tar”…that thick, black sticky stuff. If you google “tarry” you will find a number of interesting and occasionally disgusting uses for the word. “Tarry”, is a physicians term for blood in your stool. As in. “You have a tarry stool.” In this case “tarry” comes from the root “tar” and means “black colored”, as a stool might be if it had dark blood in it. Which, of course brings to mind “tarry scat”…looking a great deal like “tarry scant”…But enough of the word’s use as an adjective.

For me, the words “tarry scant” were not unusual principally because of my parent’s influence…or more precisely, my mother’s. I was born of parents only a very few years younger than Forrest’s. My mother, being my main influence through childhood, was a native midwesterner and had a vocabulary of words that included “tarry” and “scant”. She would often tell me things like “don’t tarry after school today”, or “you can stay there til four o’clock but don’t tarry on your way home. I never had to look that word up. I knew what it meant and I knew I better go home directly after school or I’d be punished. My mother was not a great collaborator. Her parents were German and Pennsylvania Dutch and mediation was a word probably not in her vocabulary.

Scant was also a word she used often enough and that I felt immediately comfortable with when I read it in Forrest’s poem. My mother would say things to me like, “There will be scant dessert for you  young man until you eat all those beets.” There was little room for negotiation in a warning like that. Scant meant small…as in “next to none”. With dessert it meant exactly “none”.

A few years later I would learn about “scanties”. They being the scandalous, brief underwear a brave catholic schoolgirl would occasionally “show off” to a small admiring society of altar boys after Sister Mary Linus’s 7th grade class.

But I tarry…

“Move on quickly”, it’s just my interpretation..or taking after my mother I might say..”the only correct interpretation” 🙂

Would anyone care to comment with a counter-argument?


588 thoughts on “Tarry Scant…Part One

  1. As a Midwestern-bred gal myself, I do believe you covered all the possible definitions and innuendos of “tarry scant” quite admirably and in good taste. Well done, pard.

    • The Definitions are totally clear, and yet somehow “Tarry Scant” makes my brain itch and bugs me more than any other part of the poem. I must say that I really think that it might mean something more than the obvious “Don’t hang out and be shocked and hang out but just grab the TC and Bail out !” That is just MHO.

      Habakkuk 2:3 (KJV)

      For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.

      This Bible quote is out of context but I thought it was interesting.

        • Since we are supposed to say IMHO, or risk being banned of censored, there you go.

          The poem is filled with double, triple and possibly quadruple entendre. Only ff knows for sure what he was actually saying. I can’t wait to find out.

          “Tarry scant” serves as words of advice and a physical object (if you use some imagination) that marked the vicinity of the trove. A double entendre for sure and not words to quickly dismiss.

          • Pinyon nut trees have tar n its best to wear gloves when picking the nuts as one will get the googy stuff all over then, this i read somewhere.

    • Tarry as in tar road, scant as in small in comparison and marvel gaze is a great view. Look at Harpers Corner Rd. in Dinosaur National Monument.

  2. My tarry is still a far cry hurry….I believe it is a sailor’s tarry and that the treasure will be in water.

    • Shauna-
      In this case “tarry” also comes from the root “tar” and is pronounced differently. It’s an archaic term not used since the late 1800’s when sailors were known as tars. Mostly because the lowest grade sailors were given the dirtiest tasks on board a ship (and probably still are). In those days one of those nasty tasks involved caulking the loose places in a ship’s hull with tar coated hemp or cotton rope. This procedure could not be accomplished without the sailor himself and his uniform becoming spotted, splashed and sometimes drenched in tar. Since this was a condition only “sailors” found themselves in, they were quickly dubbed “tars” by other less blackened military personnel. Their clothing was dubbed “tarry” and soon a sailor’s cap became known as a tarry.
      But Shauna, what would this “tar” have to do with Forrest’s treasure? Why would he go out of his way to use such an anachronism as the adjective “Tarry”?

      • I remember hearing that sailors tarred their braids to protect their necks in a sword fight. Aarrrh!

      • Fyi, if we’re go all Cliff Claven on this, 😉 Tarring the hemp was the only way -known then- to keep the hemp from disintegrating in the salty ocean seawater. Maybe there’s hemp nearby sans tar, (like a patch of Marijuana** ), and that’s why you need to hightail it out so quick/go in peace.
        **Would also do nicely in the legal claim dept: if it’s private property but an illegal grow, the property owner’s hardly going to go to the law to claim the treasure you find there… 🙂

      • Dal, your mom said “don’t tarry around” ; which means don’t wait around. Forrest says “but tarry scant” which to me says “but wait around for a little bit.” Just wondering why you interpret the poem to mean the opposite. Is it the “but” or the “scant” or something else I’m missing

        • tomdif,

          I realize your post is a couple months old but, if you are still reading, maybe this might help.
          I think the “something else” you could be missing, might be the word “just” that follows.

          “but wait around for a little bit, just take the chest and go in peace.” , or . . .

          “but don’t wait around, just take the chest and go in peace”

          Which one works best for you ?

          I think f is just saying don’t stand there ogling.

          Get the lead out, get a move on, hustle . . .

      • Dal… You are misleading folks.

        f didn’t say Tarry scant….he said “but tarry scant”. There is a very big difference. IMO

  3. I’ve always thought along the same lines as your interpretation of “Tarry Scant” Dal, probably my Midwest upbringing too. 🙂 I don’t recall my mother using the word tarry but I think my understanding of the definition came from literature or poems. The word scant I have read frequently in old recipes as in “add a scant teaspoon of vanilla”.

    I’ve vacillated between thinking “marvel gaze” referred to the contents of the chest or a beautiful view where the chest is found. It does make a difference where to look as my favorite spot is not in a particularly beautiful spot. 🙂

    • CJ-
      That’s a good point. I wonder if my mother became familiar with the word “scant” through printed recipes as well. I have seen that word often in recipes.

      • Scant in a recipe means “almost but not quite”
        Gaze at the marvel just a little bit?

        • IMO, the interpretation of gazing “just a little bit” makes much sense given the context of what’s occurred… You’ve looked quickly down, found the chest, and now your quest is over. But do take a little time (tarry scant) to gaze at the majestic view from the hiding spot. Just don’t forget to take the chest with you when you go (in peace).

    • I believe “marvel gaze” is a reference to historical events that were happenied in the location of the chest years before it was hidden. I can tie that entire line of the poem to a local history of the location where my WWH. I’m sure there is a double meaning to the phrase because so far, I have found double or even triple meanings to almost every line of the poem. But, I can positively tie “marvel gaze” to the location of my search. It is directly tied to the historical events that took place there. This is getting quite fascinating!

  4. Dear Doctor dal, thank you for that wonderful anatomy lesson. I will never forget 7th grade, I liked it so much I repeated it. Sister Ruth didn’t want me to turn out stoopid so she advanced me to the 8th grade with my original class. I’m with you on “run fast” but I hope it’s downhill.

  5. All forrest is just saying ounce you have found the chest don’t stay long looking with surprise and awed by the beautiful trove just take it and go quick without anyone seeing

    • JR-
      And I wonder …why would Forrest tell a searcher not to linger…
      What’s wrong with sitting there and looking at the view or staring at the goodies in the chest…
      I mean it seems to me this chest is hidden in a good spot or Stephanie would have found it by now… 🙂
      So if it’s well hidden…why can’t she stand there and absorb the view…

      • Because it’s hidden between the wooden slats of train tracks and if you don’t move quickly, you’re going to get run over by the train. I seriously thought this once as you know…..I thought the different train stops were different parts of the poem of the chama train. That was our first search. Indiana Jones was filmed on that train which was my biggest ah ha…and the kitchen in the middle of the route when he says his room was by the kitchen and he liked being in the middle and it was a marvel gaze type place….and they sold lots of pies at this place.

        • Steph-
          There’s no snow on the ground yet and the bears are all busy looking for good winter rates at the hotels so how come you’re not out searching?…or maybe you are…

          • Doesn’t Forrest tell you whenever I’m out anymore? Snow is starting to come to the Rockies. It’s sort of a relief once that happens and we can’t search. We’ll all have to hibernate and play Parcheesi or something.

          • Steph-
            So you tell Forrest when you’re headed out but not your good blogging friends..??
            You are persnickety..!! 🙂

      • I think it’s because there’s a lot of crazy people out there that ounce someone finds it there’s gonna be people around trying to take it from you forrest knows bout those folks he had to call the cops a few times another reason he says to keep quite bout it is because the government is also after it like crazed folks. It also might be in private land or reservation

        • Perhaps the chest is located, as Stephanie notes, near train tracks and at a stop midway of a trip. Think tour train. You find the chest at the stop and for some reason you must take the chest out in two or more parts. (hmmmm, did ff need to take more than one trip for other reasons than the weight of the treasure?)

          • Forgot to mention: ‘tarry scant’ or you will miss your train and it may be getting late. (Hope you brought a flashlight, peanut butter sandwich and a bedroll.)

  6. Dal,
    Tell Forrest that his admiring fans, would like to hear him recite the entire poem. Then tell him you know a guy that could video tape it and put it on a blog! Maybe he will give us that tidbit since the Today Show is a no show so far.

    • Maggie-
      Really? I thought we had a recording of Forrest reciting the whole poem…although I don’t know where..
      I remember that in Gadi’s two piece story for TV he used Forrest reading the poem…but then he edited it up..But maybe that stanza is in there somewhere…

      and what about the Lorene Mills interviews..didn’t he read the poem in the first interview she did? Go here and type in Forrest Fenn in the episode search..The first interview was in 2010…

      • Dal,

        I read the first three lines of this quatrain as:
        If you have been wise and found the location I am describing then look attentively down, but scan the area in a timely manner rather than gaze at the marvelous views and your quest for the chest will cease.
        I’m still trying to understand why do I think one would have to look in a timely manner (tarry scant)? Too many reasons for me to list at this time but maybe because what is below me will be moving or…
        I have no idea if my thoughts of this poem are ridiculous or not but I do know I have received an education in attempting to decipher its clues.
        I do believe there are two meanings to every quatrain. Every great poet leaves a blaze.

        SafetyJoeSays…Travel Safe!

      • Thanks Dal,
        I’ll have to check again. I thought I had read and listened to everything I could (several times), but I only remember hearing a partial version. This whole thing has me seeing things that are not there and hearing things that are not said. Does your therapist have any openings?

  7. The following are two definitions I’ve found and I’ve thought it could be under a rock stairway. I’ve seen many of them out on the trails and thought that would be an interesting place for it to be. Your coming and going and it would be under one of the slabs of stone. Also, he has that pic of him in front of the stone wall that reminds me of these definitions for tarry scant. You’d use those stair paths to come and go. When you recorded him in the Suzanne Somers video, he talks about the smooth edge on one of the rocks. He talked about it being a threshold if I remember right. Interesting I thought that he picked a rock that was used as a place you would come and go.

    Tarry To delay or be late in going, coming, or doing.

    Scant when used as a Masonry term: A block of stone sawn on two sides down to the bed level. A sheet of stone. After selection, the block is ‘primary sawn’. This transforms an uncut block into slices and is done either with large circular saws that have diamond-tipped blades – cutting one slice at a time – or with ‘frame saws’ which have a series of blades that cut each block into slices in a single operation. The stone slices or ‘scants’ are then sawn-to-size – for splitting and pitching in the case of walling stone – or cut-to-size and profile for finished masonry. For some projects, hand masonry is required and this is done to specification.

    • Steph-
      So how does that work?
      You see a word that can have more than one meaning and do you try to make a complete thought out of it or just use the word by itself…unrelated to the words around it to form a clue?

      I mean …
      So if scant means a slab of stone what does:
      “But tarry scant with marvel gaze”, mean?

      • It’s in the middle of finding it. He says BUT tarry scant…as if that’s part of the taking it from it’s secreted location. So I do think it’s relevant, but that’s just my opinion.

        • I really wasn’t saying the rock was more likely than the obvious interpretation, but seeing that Skippy is with a rock and his dad is also, I believe his choice of using those words could have a double meaning and could be the way to be wise if your taking the poem literal. You know from talking to Forrest….every sentence he speaks seems to have double meanings.

        • A blackened stone (caused by fire…the “blaze”?) with a marvel gaze. As in a marvel comic book character type gaze. As in a Thor type gaze. According to legend Thor made thunderstones (aka arrowheads). Some folklore suggests thunderstones lead you to treasure. So look for flat, blackened stone that has an arrowhead with it or the image of an arrowhead etched into the blackened part of the stone.

    • Stephanie,
      Your definition of scant has been on my mind for months. I was looking up an alternate definition for BUT (tarry scant).
      BUT also has an alternate meaning other than a conjunction. I believe it could be used as an architectural term meaning outer room or outside the house.
      In this case I can make sense of tarry scant being a tar colored scant outside a house.
      “…Not associated with any structure”… takes me away from this thought.

      It is something I will keep close in mind though.

  8. I will need some time to read it again. After you mentioned Kahil Gibran I went to look for my copy of The Prophet. Couldn’t find it and regret cleaning out my book close shelves. To top it all off I can no longer follow your thought process. I guess I am going to eat some worms 😉

      • You have not caused my confusion, I had too much fun with my twin grandkids this weekend but I have only half a mind left. So I thought I would reread it when I see the other side come back.
        Now that you ask again….. I have understood tarry scant to be just that. “Ok, enjoy and be amazed but only briefly, then quietly get a move on”. Probably with chest in hand, but have had thoughts looking down might show you the treasure below, thus the get a moving.

  9. I just can’t seem to think that part of the poem is relevent. Why would the tarry scant part mean anything? By that time you would already have the chest. Unless it is used in terms as the incredible view hinting to the location. Idk. I’m still lost with it all. When I feel like I’m close I only then realize how far off I am.

    • Hi Free..
      I just posted a similar thought. I did not see yours..
      I think the line is relevant…just not a clue to help you find it, but rather a clue to help you remove it..

      • Dal, I haven’t thought of it that way yet. Could it be in a place that you’d stare too long to figure out how to get it or a place where you would freeze up of fear to go grab it. Maybe refering to height….hmmm.

    • I think “tarry scant with marvel gaze” is not there to guide a person to the treasure or even to instruct them to hurry and remove it. i think it is there mainly to confirm to the searcher that they have indeed located the correct location. There are a number of levels to this poem. I notice that some give directions and others seem more vague or like lessons to be learned. So far I have tied most of the phrases of this poem to the local history/story of the are of my WWWH. There are also a number of metaphors. Several people have noticed that it seems odd that the poem begins with the word, ‘as”. I home school my kids and recently did a lesson on metaphors. A metaphor is a comparison of two things using the word like or as. It is odd to put the metaphor at the beginning of the poem, but I think it is important that we understand that FF is talking not only about hiding/finding the treasure, but also about historical events that took place in the area or the surrounding area. There are a number of these metaphors in the poem that all point to the same historically significant events tied to my WWWH place. If you have read any of my other posts, you might realize that when I started, I believed there was a connection to Chief Joseph and his people. I no longer believe that because I have found a better fit for all of the clues and the metaphors, and subtle hints to the historical events. Think metaphors! Remember that FF said that when you have solved it, you will be able to move with confidence. How can you move with confidence if you are guessing at clues? There have to be parts of the poem that are there to confirm to you that you are on the right track. “tarry scant with marvel gaze” is one of them. I know what it means.

  10. Another thought-
    If you are following the poem in a linear fashion..You have already found the chest by the time you get to tarry scant and marvel gaze…That happened in the stanza before this one.
    So why would there be a clue after you’ve found it..?
    Why would the poem tell you to look under a slab of stone after you have already followed the clues to the hiding spot of the chest and are looking at it..?

    I assume that there are other interpretations of how the poem should be followed..

    • Dal, tired, weak, cold and in the wood, come after finding it.
      Aren’t some of them clues?

      I agree with your interpretation. I think when I (you) find it, get the heck out of there and keep mum.

      Thanks and keep up the good work!

      • SpecialK-
        I don’t think so..
        I used too..but since Forrest came out with his definition of “useless clue” I think these are not clues because they will not lead us to the treasure…
        Since Forrest has confessed about what a clue is ..
        I think I may have a new idea about what the actual nine clues might be and I don’t think those are clues…

        But it’s only an opinion…
        Like everyone else I keep banging my head against the poem trying to crack it open..
        That’s my latest bang…

    • dal, I am following a linear interpretation and it seems to me the nine clues are all above the line about “tarry scant.” My interpretation of “tarry scant” is that you never count your money while you’re sitting at the table.

    • Dal wrote:
      “If you are following the poem in a linear fashion..You have already found the chest by the time you get to tarry scant and marvel gaze…”
      I disagree. At this point, you’ve only found the blaze. Within a one hundred foot radius of the blaze, there’s a near infinite number of places to look. So “tarry scant’ would then pinpoint, more or less, where the chest is at relative to the blaze.

      I like the “black slab of stone” interpretation for “tarry scant”, as described by Steph, above.

      Ken (in Texas)

  11. I think the most important word in this poem is “Brown”. What is Brown? Most people automatically think color or a name. But I think it has nothing to do with that. Not quite sure what yet but I’m leaning toward an emotion. I’ve read that Brown discribed as an emotion means comfort. I also read in Forrests book about his wife being his comfort. Could that be it? And what does it mean for a location?What are your thoughts about it?

    • Brown i think is Brown trout it’s gonna be an area where 2 rivers meet but it can mean lots of things fenns new book I think should have lots of hints since it might be his last book

  12. I’m with you Dal. I have researched these words over and over again and I think Forrest is simply saying “don’t linger. Just take it and get the heck out of there before the government sees you and tries to claim it.”
    Happy Hunting Everyone!

  13. Based on” Tarry Scant.”.where ever this place is there will be lots of people
    around. So take what you need and get of there. Where would you hid something in the middle of a place that you normally would not go due to the surroundings!!
    A sporting event!!

  14. Tarry Scant can also mean a thin coating of tar or bare;ly covered I’ve often wondered if it may be part of a camouflage of some sort If you took a thin cover of tar and put rockdust or dirt on the outside it woulld look just like a rock creating a hard covering like a shell If you thumped on it here me all and listen good You would know there was something inside and not a rock

  15. In a linear search I guess I am still stuck at trying to precisely locate WWWH. Do we need to reach a conclusion about clue #1 before we will be able to locate #2 and so on? I wander through the poem and potential clues and search for possibilities but always return to WWWH?

  16. Dal you hit the nail on the head. Being somewhat familiar with words that were used some years ago by a variety of people from different classes of people. I recall the usage in some book. At this time which book escapes me. Perhaps it was something written by Samuel Clemens, AKA Mark twain. Ahhh if my memory would not fail me so.

  17. If I give all of you all of my clues and you add them to your clues and find the treasure, are you willing to share some of the treasure with me? Happy Jim

  18. My first clue – the first line of the poem contains the name of a trail near the fish hatchery not far from the Rio Grande River. Anyone know the name of the trail that I’m referring to?
    Happy Jim

  19. Home of Brown – Did anyone know the last name of the Mr. Brown who was involved with the water level/flow gages in the rivers??
    Happy Jim

  20. Does anyone know about the petroglyph “blazes” located on the trail whose trail name is identified in the first line of the poem?
    Happy Jim

  21. Does anyone know where the old miner’s trail is near the Rio Grande and the Red River intersection? Hints of riches new and old…
    Happy Jim

  22. Did you know that the river level/flow gages are often located near the river and are often little brown buildings?
    Happy Jim

  23. 1. Occam’s Razor.
    2. FF’s advice not to overthink it.
    3. Brother Benjamin, my English teacher in 11th Grade. A poetry fanatic.
    4. Tarry Scant = Don’t hang around. Get your ass out of there.

  24. Did you know that the trail that is referred to in the first sentence of the poem is not for the faint hearted?
    Happy Jim

  25. Dal,
    I’ll just say this — while I agree 100% with your assessment on both ‘tarry’ and ‘scant’, I’d posit you and I both had never seen them used together like that before TTOTC.
    I think tarry is adjective, and I have reasons to think so. But I’m not thinking of sticky/oily.
    Scant = minimal/hard to spot/about to run out.
    Marvel = wonder, as in wonderland, a name I’m sure you know isn’t just a place with a rabbit hole…
    Of course, I love good wordcraft and so I think nearly every line has value: 24 lines that add up to gift the seeker 9 clues. And if that’s true, some lines are bound to be re-iterations — to help the seeker confirm they are on the right track.

    That’s my take.

  26. Dal said

    “If you are following the poem in a linear fashion..You have already found the chest by the time you get to tarry scant and marvel gaze…That happened in the stanza before this one.”

    I disagree, it says look quickly down your quest to cease, so the place you are looking quickly down to is where the quest will be ceasing, it is letting you know that in advance , following the poem in a linear fashion, it has not arrived at the chest yet.

    when it says, just take the chest and go in peace, that is when you have actually arrived at the chest

    Dal, i get the feeling you see the possibility of significant clues in the tarry scant with marvel gaze line, and the reason imo is because there is

    as you look quickly down, your quest is going to be ceasing … BUT (however!), tarry scant with marvel gaze, there is something you need to keep in mind here, if you actually want to put your hands on the chest, and it is in the meaning of this line

    someone mentioned occams razor and this line is simply just dont wait around, take it and go. but i dont think occams razor is something to be applied to this poem.

    if we said the simplest or most likely explanation applied to the whole poem then we could never discern any location specific or direction specific clues hidden underneath the surface of the poem. and there is no reason for us to think that we should arbitrarily apply occams razor to only this one line but the rest are excluded.

    i believe the line ‘but tarry scant with marvel gaze’ is double and maybe triple layered with clues

    one of the things it is referring to can also be found in the 2 lines which are future declarations concerning the ending area

    The end is ever drawing nigh

    Your effort will be worth the cold

    • Chris – good points, & great logic. Occams simply (harhar) can’t apply.
      I daresay the double and triple meanings will wow everyone when this is all over.
      One quibble: the end is drawing nigh is -literally/grammatically- a present tense sentence.

      I hypothesize that under the initial ‘armor’ layer of the code, TEIEDN has got nothing to do with death, omegas, nor horseshoes. Nor is it a useless ‘mileage marker’I/aka ‘you’ll be finding the gold soon’ line (though that could be a second layer). I think it’s a third layer meaning: a description of that part of the trail.
      Anyway, thanks Chris!!!

  27. As mentioned, there are many levels to this poem, including this line. For me, Tarry Scant has a connection to a few other individual words in the Poem and they all are part of Forrest Fenn’s “punchline”.
    In addition, “marvel”, when thought of as a reference to comic books also fits into the same

  28. Is it possible that the treasure is near a church. I look and marvel, quickly and gaze. At this point, do I feel guilty because there is a treasure before me? A church…. Or, do I “not” feel guilty and look quickly at the church and take the treasure and leave?

  29. Went of my first treasure hunt this last week, Yellowstone Park, Wyoming..1,340 mile trip one way….had all my spots planned out, visited all of them….all I can tell you is where the treasure is not……back to the drawing board…..lol

  30. To me this line seems to have the most “contrived” wording. Going a very different route, I wondered about hidden meanings when the poem is read out loud because of ff’s affinity for words. The best I got for this line was “But Aries can’t with marvel gaze” to indicate some sort of site associated with “peace”.

  31. Ok, someone please explain the love for ‘marvel’ meaning comic books? I guess don’t see it. Please, I’m open minded. Educate me?
    My inner cynic made this list:
    1. 83 yr old veteran/archeologist/gallery owner/treasure riddler seems unlikely to write Stan Lees comics into what essentially will be his epitaph in years to come.
    2. Lots of mentions of Thor? Why? You say “comics!! marvel gaze!!” and my 4 decades old brain says: Scott / Cyclops! Is just fan-dom for Chris Hemsworths movies?? Or this another NM thing? ( I’m not on Team NM: no offense, but no openmindedness about that).
    3. Besides, Thor as a marvel hero didn’t even premiere until Forrest was well into his 30’s….
    4. How pray tell can marvel comics be a directional clue for a bronze lockbox , especially if we rule out structures (like comic shops)
    5. …especially for a treasure Forrest thinks could take centuries to find?
    6. It’s not capitalized. So it’s unlikely to be the proper name of the publishing/media company, right?
    Enlighten me.
    7. Perhaps it’s a funny flaming pun, and we’re supposed to look for the NORTHSTAR. 😉
    (Marvel Comic geeks get it, I swear)

    • If I see any comic book reference here, it is Batman, or Batman related

      But he is DC, not Marvel, hmmmm

      But tarry scant .. wait a sec .. ‘but tarry’ sounds very close to .. Battery … aren’t batteries DC current?

      Maybe it should have said but tarry scant with DC gaze … but gaze could be another word that sounds phonetically the same
      …. Weren’t people wondering in the 50s and 60s why Batman and Robin were waking up in the same bed? …. Not that there’s anything wrong with that!

      While we’re talking about batteries, doesn’t F talk about polarity in the book, but he is referring to something else? Something to do with Frosty?

      The book also mentions Robins, ok maybe its talking about birds but in the buffalo story it says ‘like some circus acrobat’ and wasn’t Batman’s sidekick, Robin, a circus acrobat?

      Richard Grayson was Robin, but he also eventually became the new Batman… hint of Riches new and old?

      Before you laugh that off, consider this, in the poem (hint of riches new) “and old” are the 24th and 25th words of the poem. If you turn to pages 24 and 25 of the book you find the only mentions of “Old Bat”, on each of these pages.

      Doesn’t the book mention the Joker, one of Batman’s arch nemesis?

      Page 60 mentions Magpie, another Batman nemesis!

      And page 33, “I’d slip out there some Dark (K)night…” … ok , ok, I added a letter there

      But it’s like Forrest is begging us to put a K there. Why would he say your Quest to Cease, because ….. the Knight’s Quest … the Dark Knight baby!

      And look at line10 of the poem, the end is ever drawing nigh, it is begging us to take the 2 K’s from the last letters of the line above and the line below (creeK and meeK)

      So just a tad rearranging of the letters gives us … the end is ever Dark Knight Wing ….

      The treasure is in the wing of Batman … I am telling you !

  32. Ok, I’m putting this chest, hunt and Fenn to rest. I cannot let this thing keep consuming me. Ill burn the book and everythibg I have that has to do with sny of it. Take care all. Signing off for the final time.

    • Freedomutter-
      We’ve all felt like that. Thank god I didn’t burn my book though…
      You can always sell it for at least what you paid for it…
      It’s frustrating…but know that someone will find this chest and it might be you…
      I think the best advice Forrest ever handed out to those of us who had become completely lost was to say…
      “Keep it simple”…”Don’t over think the poem”…

  33. I’m sticking with terry-fied. If I found money in my mail box I’d dance in the middle of the street. The same is not true if I found f’s treasure. I’d be terrified. Instead of standing there gawking, I would be figuring out how to get 42 pounds back to my truck. I would have to make two trips. I’d be beat. Mapsmith you seem to be well informed….why not NM? Happy Jim seems to be on point. ???

    • Just gotta have faith, otherwise the wish fulfillment magic doesnt work!! Seem to be well informed indeed: My life story. Always a bronze medal, for me –Going for gold this time. Why not NM? Statistical improbability: 1. Out of all the Rockies states in play, they’ve got the tiniest share. Check the map in the new TFTW book. 2. Thousands of searchers have followed thousands of combos of the poem they made fit there, and still not so much as a bronze bell let alone a bronze box. 3. If you really want to hide your wealth you disassociate yourself as much as possible. Your own backyard would be a first guess. IMO Great Treasures aren’t hidden under the first easy to see X, there’s always a catch. Recent film Examples: goonies, National Treasure, Indiana Jones, and even many geocaches all feature false first solutions. See also; Tom & Huck (stumbled on gold in a haunted house, but then it moved. Then they thought it was at the inn room… But it was instead in the cave, deeper yet than regular folk were bold enough to go– dark & cold there too…)
      Know what else likes to make a home in caves? Small flyers by the name of Brown 😀

      • Hi… I was exhausted last night. However, rereading your post I thought #1 is both true and false. How much space would f need to hide the box. The tiniest share of a mountain would do! Also I’m curious about that map in TFTW but I was under the impression the book was at the printer until this week. How can I look at the map?
        #2. So far this is true for everyone everywhere. unless a bells been found? #3. Same as #1. It could be anywhere.
        I would agree my first guesses are just guesses…whosearen’t. As Dal has recently said the map is ambiguous.
        I recently saw a cartoon of a guy sitting at his computer insisting the treasure was in NM . Many years later the cartoon shows him still sitting there but decade. Just bones still claiming it to be in NM. That’s me. Faithful until f finally gives it to Stephanie. smiles.

        • The map is blurry but visible in Dal’s book review / posts elsewhere on this giant webpage – try the NewBook or TooFarToWalk link to take a peek.
          (Until i get treasure in my own hands), I have to admit there’s No doubt it *could* be in NM, but I think NM has had a higher concentration of seekers for a longer time. I like long odds with big playoffs 😉 so I’ll be happy to stick to MT and WY and may the best treasure fenn-atic win

    • Please elaborate. If you dare. I followed step by step of Happy’s queries, as have others, but what do you think and why? I have mostly thought that it is {probably} in New Mexico.
      As far as the line in the poem that Dal began this scrapbook, I have often thought that once you look quickly down (from an overlook?) you will see the chest’s place (but don’t just stand there admiring the view) you must still – actually fetch it up before you can “go in…

  34. Srry…I ans. but it was lost….Mapsmith an authors pen is his fingerprint…you are indeed informed. Too, I’m afraid of grizzlies. I’ll stick to tics trout lizards and bats.
    Babylon…NM is as good as any place. I went with f driving…how far did he go? Cody is a long way.

  35. Good point mark Cody is far and so is every other state for an 80 year old to drive alone remember no one had any idea forrest hid his treasure not even his wife. That tells me he went on a little adventure by himself in his jeep for couple hours just to stash his trove and return home without anyone knowing where he was so my guess its within 40 miles of SANTA FE

  36. I agree….only one flaw. Dbl your thoughts on distance…..f knew where he was going, and he’s no slouch! He had to hike twice…he was moving quickly!

  37. I was at the collective bookstore here in Santa Fe on sat and the folks that were inside including the cashier all believe treasure is in NM but who knows.

      • Dal, most, not all, lines in this poem can be broken down. A flow chart manner is how I attack them. I will not break this entire line down but battery fire (see the word battery?, SC ant , south Carolina ant, see it. Multiple layers are involved and this line is one of the simplest to solve. If you tackle this line I will give you a couple of clues. Ghost town in Florida and jc is juice. The money clue at the end of this lines breakdown is a 3 number road. If you are in the correct neck of the woods you will recognize this road number. If not in the correct region then the number will be meaningless. This thing Mr. Fenn has created is complicated beyond any of your readers belief. It took me 1/2 a day to solve the tarry scant line. The line I am currently struggling with, I have been working on for almost 3 months. FWIW, I believe it is the final line but its depth and complexity is mind boggling. Many will not accept this, the words in the poem are generally useless, only a start to a much deeper and involved clue solves. A few lines are simply…look at the line and think outside the box. For example, Begin … where…halt. Look at the line. Think outside the box. Do it NOW BEFORE READ MY RESPONSE FURTHER. dO YOU SEE THE following….In here war matters? Again, if you are in the correct neck of the woods then this statement will have meaning. If not, you will be scratching your head. Correct neck of the woods? Simple, the Capn Kidd/Gardner Island clue is where it is to help you start in the correct general area. All you need is a knowledge of Gardner Islands location and a Rand Mcnalley road atlas. Also, in spite of his statements, the clues as delivered at the end of each lines solve are not in order. I know the final solve for the first line and the last line and neither are at beginning or end. I don’t know how he rationalizes his statements, just the way it is. He has also said you don’t need the book, just the poem. That is a joke. In the last 2 days I used the caliph from the book. Replaced calliph with dirt and the solve continues. That is one example of perhaps 200 or more. The names of all the men in the 2 page photo of his rescue are used. How is one to know such w/o the book? Best of luck I must tell you that if I knew how difficult this was, I would not have started. I have used the better part of spring summer and now fall. Winter will likely be consumed as well. And I do not know that I quite frankly have the brain power to finish. But I’m in too deep now to walk away. I do not keep up much with your website so if I do not respond it’s because I don’t know you are attempting to contact me. I’m not ignoring you. Someday, I’ll fill you in on The Blaze. If you don’t get it 1st. It’s not what you think.. We hunters have made it a bigger deal than Mr. Fenn intended. To know the blaze requires another look at the line/s and think outside that box.

        • wd-
          I have an entirely different way of looking at the poem. Mine is a much more direct approach because I am a much simpler person. I believe the poem is a set of directions and that if I can figure out where warm waters halt, much of the rest will fall into place. I know there are folks out there who believe that the poem can be solved by mathematical equations and others believe the answer can be found in the mysteries of numerology. Some believe the poem is a an anagram and each word and each letter are counted and rearranged to form new words and therefore new meanings. Some use the postmarks in the book or cite abstract elements of Forrest’s history or undocumented quotes as legitimate pieces of the puzzle. Rarely do these folks recite these ideas as their “beliefs”. rather, they are strutted out as “truth”…”proof” and “facts”…
          I don’t believe any of it. Further, I know there are some out there who purposely try to confuse, bedazzle and discombobulate with analytical concepts straight out of the last sci-fi movie they’ve watched. I am not sure of their intentions but I suspect they are to try and lead searchers astray and to thin-out their competition.
          Reading through the various “formulas” for solutions proposed on this blog can confuse the best of us. But I am not swayed by awkward and impossible to convey solutions.
          I am not saying the poem is easy. I know it is difficult. But I also believe the solution is a great deal more straight forward than some would have us believe. Straight forward is not the same as unchallenging…not the same as easy, but certainly more direct.

          • “Where warm waters halt” is merely alluding to the fact that the treasure is above 5000 feet altitude. That’s where warm waters freeze into ice and therefore “halt”. It’s not a place; it’s rather a starting altitude. That’s my take on it.

          • I think F has talked liking words that end with ones face smiling when pronounced- WWWH is like that too…maybe a smile? 🙂

          • It actually does narrow it down. It eliminates EVERYWHERE under 5000 feet, which is 1000’s of square miles. If you think about it, he released the poem first, and only afterward in an interview did he mention that it was placed over 5000 feet. Since you’re supposed to be able to figure it all out from ONLY the poem, it makes total sense that he gives this clue “where warm waters halt” to narrow it down to this altitude. So many people were thinking it was a location or place that he decided to say it plainly in the interview that it is over 5000 feet. Anyhow, that’s my take on it. Doesn’t mean I’m right… 🙂

          • Atomic, my house in Southern California is barely above 3000 feet and because it’s so cold right now every morning the bucket out back that holds the dogs water is frozen.

            Just my opinion and food for thought, I don’t believe WWWH has to do with elevation,

      • Phonetics. Not what words are but how they sound. Ber is bear. You can through a baseball. You can sew a hem or threw a baseball. Dal, I hope to change my id to wd instead of my name. Didnt realize my name would appear and would prefer it not. Thnks

        • wd

          i think i know the florida ghost town of which you speak

          the end of the tarry scant line, marvel gaze, if you switch the “rv” from marvel and the “z” from gaze you get a phrase that is synonymous with the cemetery there, and referring to a book/play that f mentions.

          the 3 numbers of the road leading there is the key clue, i agree, and also the direction you head to get there. also note that when f hid the chest he said it was TIME to ACT and the so called book he mentions is actually a play, that one would ACT in.

          you mention Kidd and Gardiner’s island. the clue there i think is where is GI located. what end of where. the other is that he was dreaming.

          on page 4 f lays down the equation of the former and the latter, mountains = dreams … river bottoms = fantasies

          in the line ‘ive done it tired and now im weak”, ‘tired’ is the 133rd word of the poem, so if you look at page 133, it is referring to being tired, going to sleep, and dreaming

          he did it dreaming, and dreaming= mountains, so he hid it in a mountain, not in water, and not in a river bottom

          and now im weak, what does weak mean. it is the 137th word, so look on page 137.

          “Bronze is a non-ferrous metal, meaning it won’t rust or deteriorate in any way. all of my bells were cast in that material so i could bury them”

          he planned on burying the chest, that is why he got one that is bronze, and he is weak from digging the hole. so ive done it weak is the clue that tells us it was buried. Ive done it tired is that its buried in a mountain and not in water.

          to the caliph i am dirt. caliph is dirt and dirt is the ground. caliph means ruler. Frosty was The Ruler, so he was Frosty ground.

          f said they made the best team on Frosty’s day off, the implication being it is best to go get the chest when there is no frosty ground. why, because it is buried.

          ” He has also said you don’t need the book, just the poem. That is a joke”

          you are now the second person just on this thread alone to claim that f said you don’t need the book.

          No, he hasn’t said that.

          in fact he has made numerous statements that say the opposite.

          but you are right, it is a joke to believe that.

          and if someone does believe that, and they want to take themselves out of the game by holding up one statement as the god of all, while ignoring the other 99 percent of things that FF has said, that is fine by me.

          here is what FF says in his new book, which i think states things very well, and notice there is no mention of the poem

          ““A dare went out to everyone who possessed a sense of wanderlust; study the clues in the book and thread a tract through the wiles of nature and circumstance to the treasure. If you can find it, you can have it. I warned that the path would not be direct for those who had no certainty of the location beforehand, but sure for the one who did.”

  38. one of the difficult things for me to understand in this has been, why does f say there are 9 clues in the poem

    it has always seemed there are more, and f said in a radio interview, after the host had just read the 2nd stanza “that sounds like 3 or 4 clues right there”

    i think f understands there are a lot of hints in the poem, a lot more than 9, but they are not all what he means as the 9 clues, however they are all related to the 9 clues

    it hit me when he said in the lorene mills interview that TTOTC was his 8th book. it says that on the jacket cover also, but he clearly says its his 9th on page 4 of TTOTC, and i think the error was intentional.

    Im sure f is familiar with the tale of lost french gold on treasure mountain, the french then known as frogs buried gold and made a map, and the story is there are 8 landmarks on the map that lead to the buried gold. if you search the story they often estimate the value at 33 million.

    so it kinda sticks out that on page 133 of the book you have frogs, a map, and gold, and page 33 of the book the first line talks about how f was learning the value or worth of things.

    so im thinking the 9 clues are 9 landmarks. these are what f would consider clues because the landmarks if followed in order are what lead you precisely to the treasure. i think there are a lot more than 9 hints in poem, but they are going to tell you what the 9 landmarks are if you understand them, so really there are 9 clues/landmarks that lead you there.

    in the lorene mills interview after f said TTOTC was his 8th book, he said his 9th would have been his autobio (at the time) but he decided not to publish it. what he did instead was write it and and put it in the chest.

    the 9th landmark is located right next to what would have been his 9th book. (imo). page 15 talks about the juniper fire and an asterisk in the book that was never written, perhaps a subtle reference to the blaze and the unpublished auto bio nearby. there may also be a subtle reference when he says “seventy-ninth year” on this page, that landmarks 7, 8 and 9 are all in this area.

    just for the purpose of pure speculation, this is what i think the 9 landmarks are

    (1) WWH

    (2) Home of Brown

    (3) Canyon down

    (4) no place for the meek

    (5) Heavy Loads

    (6) Water High

    (7) Blaze

    (8) The thing that is wise from which you look quickly down

    (9) Stonemarker emblazoned with ??? (“Scant” .. also see page 94)

    • Agreed – it’s hard to settle on what the nine are. Landmarks isn’t a bad way to go. I myself , through the ‘don’t over think it” filter perhaps , believe its the nine sentences in the poem … i.e. every line of the poem is part of the clue / there are no red herrings. (At least I think we all hope so!).
      Also, if ‘x marks the spot’ as we all know is true in unbelievable treasure hunts, then you can’t have more than nine, since ten (X to the Romans ) would be next !

      • “every line of the poem is part of the clue / there are no red herrings”

        yes, totally agree with that

        and the 9 clues meaning there are 9 sentences, that is a definite possibility.

        whatever the analysis i have always felt that approaching the whole poem understanding that every line could be, and probably is, a hint or a clue, is the best approach

    • Slim-
      I looked at the Brown’s place on Henry’s Fork and then Forrest pulled the plug on Idaho…what’s a guy to do?

      • I went this past weekend on the hunt . It helps me to walk the poem even though I know Im not in the right location.
        What I’m saying is even though he pulled the plug in Idaho, you can still use the basic understanding you had before as a learning curve… May be you were on to something in Idaho … I was looking at the boarder of Idaho and Montana myself as a possible area to start the Chase.

        Coming To Terms

        So , by doing what I have suggested , I have noticed some cool stuff about the poem . I would like to share just the understanding with you . Maybe the Begging point is not physical. You would have to follow all 9 clues to the end of F’s rainbow right? Well , maybe not all of the Quest is physical locations , but understanding and physical markers are what we are looking for . This would make it a more direct path I think… Only a opinion … But, I can say this …. I have a new blaze , a new path , and enough curiosity to strike any trail that’s for sure… LOL
        And F saying start at begin makes more sense in this direction also , the reason I feel this is , IMO the ” Secret”
        is defined in the first stanza. And “it” is where you begin..

        Just my opinion is all . Today because of weather , Im a arm chair Cowboy! good luck

        • Thanks for sharing your thoughts again Mike. I always enjoy reading your posts. And I believe you are right about some of the 9 clues not being physical. I’ve thought that for a long time. “Start at the Beginning”… Yes, “IT” is where to Begin… IMO. 🙂

          • There is one in Idaho, Utah, and Wyoming. The one in Wyoming is still on the map for the Thrill of the Chase. Here is a map:
            zoom in to see it is about 100 yards north of the Utah border.
            There is some dispute on the websites about times and place of rendezvous’, but the 1825 site at Henrys Fork was attended by Gen. Ashley the area on this map.
            Meek was not attending this site. He was probably at the Henrys Fork in Idaho later.
            So, if a place called Henrys Fork is still on your check list…Wyoming has one.

        • 🙂 Thanks MH for the Henry’s Fork link. It appears to have some interesting words that could connect it as I see it. Good work!

    • Babylon Slim said …”ff said that one didn’t need the book”

      someone tell me if i’m wrong but I don’t believe Forrest has ever said that.

      • He said you need the book because that’s where the poem is. He’s never said ‘there’s crucial info that can only be found in the book’. And he’s also said there are hints (not clues) in the book if you know how to find them, otherwise the poem is all you need to find the gold.

        • my post was concerned with the accuracy of attributing words to Forrest Fenn, as per the following

          ”ff said that one didn’t need the book”

          to my knowledge ff didn’t say this

          • I didn’t use “quotations” and am deficient at mincing words. Folks have been quoting ff ab initio which has brought no one truer to the trove. I assume most here have been at it a while and read, re-read x 10 to the 10th power, hunted and travailed – so I paraphrase but would never blight another’s trough with warm waters. A tank maybe.
            Put out fire with gasoline? Yes.

  39. I do believe the book has some value.
    Try this out. Maybe the last quatrain is meant to be read and understood in linear fashion then deciphered via anagram upside down. Decipher each quatrain separately. Think of: at each end there is a new beginning. For example decipher the last quatrain as:

    I give you The Thrill of the Chase, written by Forrest Fenn. It will guide you to the gold..

    Do you think this was done by f on purpose? Its a good blaze anyways.

    I really needed to get this heavy load off my chest. Knowledge with Imagination will be the key.

    Travel Safe!

  40. Well, first of all English is not my native language, so feel free to laugh at me.
    My interpretation of “tarry scant” is somewhere on the line of “burned remains” indicating something left from a forest fire , or a meteorite crater or so. That would fit with “blaze” two lines before. So it would read like this:
    If you have found the blaze, look down and admire with awe the burnt remains, then take the chest etc.
    So, tarry would be adjective to scant, a noun which is the object of the action of gazing with marvel.
    Pretty farfetched, huh?

    • Not so farfetched at all Gio. Keep your ideas coming! I think if english were not so much in MY way that my ideas wouldn’t be nigh carried away.

  41. Wow! Gio. that’s good! Profound. I’m not sure if admire is the right word but wow. Excellant. ok which fire. where…when….how does it link w/f? Also, dal are you going to be one of the hunters w/the Cali people? This appeals to me only cuz I think I’m prettier than you…grins.

  42. Mark-
    You haven’t seen me since I got the face-lift, hair transplant, tummy tuck and pedicure. I don’t look any better but I look funnier…

  43. Truth is Dal….I believe you’re the well greased cog that keeps TTOTC going. You are tenacious, brilliant and most of all…kind.
    I’ve enjoyed your stories with you and Esmeralda–I wish I could write aswell. Too, my 36 year old wife said you weren’t bad looking? smiles

  44. All this talk about “Tarry Scant”, what about “Take the chest and go in peace”? If you follow the poem precisely the way Forrest tells us to do, how do we know someone hasn’t already found it? Forrest makes it clear to take it and go!

  45. With tarry scant being mentioned after the fact of finding the treasure it to me can only be a bit of wise information givin out from f to the finder.
    I believe it gives a searcher an average time it will take once you park and hit the trail. Once you’ve found the proper hiding spot you’ll be into it 3-4 hrs maybe. Grab the chest and hit the trail. It will take a bit longer to get back to your vehicle carrying your new found wealth.
    F’s mention of a flashlight & sandwich may come into play here if your a little out of shape (lol).
    Good luck to all you Diehards!

  46. Hello Dal,
    Think flutterby…butterfly
    tarry scant …..starry cant …cant is a slope .
    take the chest and go in peace ….sounds like a priest to me…go in peace and sin no more .
    a priest makes the sign of the cross on his chest .
    star….cross….peace symbol
    Google Boulder Star and read about .
    The Rebel from Georgia

    • I too believe that the blaze could be related to a star. And I’ve always felt that tarry scant = starry cant. But not in CO. Rebel if you are around I’d like to throw out some ideas.

      • There is a star on thE f100 jet…F talks about a blinking light left front panel. I too think stars factor in…maybe something to do with th constellations butt maybe not exactly a star, more something with starlight properTs. My phone caps lock is dodgy at best sorry for any typos. Good luck finding the chest guys and gals. He certainly created a dussie and can be proud of his fame and legacy. So long searchers maybe we’ll cross paths in life.

  47. The comments I make are my honest opinions , and I believe I have solved all nine clues , but I still don’t have the TC .The # 3 figures in the poem frequently , and the poem is difficult , but not THAT difficult .

    If you’ve been wise and found the blaze…..Think of the 3 wise men in the Bible and what they followed ….a STAR .

    I don’t have the TC , but that is a long story that I don’t want to go into in detail .


    • I believe the blaze does have to do with the sunrise or moonset, or, after your comment, maybe a star. Early to bed and early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise and cold if you’re on a mountain or in a canyon in the Rockies. I’ve felt that chill many times.

  48. Good luck to all the searchers out there . To have any chance you must persevere , and also have large portion of good luck with you .

    Dal , you have shown over the past three years what that’s like and should be admired for never giving up . I believe the right word for you would be TENACITY !!!!!


    • OOH– OOOOH! Dal, another CLUE! There are NINE clues and you make ten because you have TEN-A-CITY! Ten means ‘X’ so if you live in a city then the treasure is on you, or a LAD or page 3 of the book shows the treasure CHEST so it is on your chest….

      OK, I jest. But I made it all up on the spot, and that is my point for all that see something that is not there but created by coincidental fabrication.
      Thanks. Next time I’ll really contribute.

        • I live 100 mi from Quake Lake. Yellowstone north, Wyoming east and Colo and NM within reach. If only I knew which way to go!
          Thanks Dal for all you do!

  49. Wow! Just got back to civilization and read this whole” Tarry Scant” thread. Now my brain is definitely fried.There are some really imaginative folks out there!

  50. I’ll pull a few of my tho’ts together here, and it’s kind of like herding rattlesnakes. If you want to keep something secret, put it in writing. The best place to hide something is in plain sight. You never count your money while you’re sitting at the table, with very good reason. I don’t get the “look quickly down.” Makes me wonder if it’s at the end of a runway (blazing lights and looking quickly down). It kind of goes along with Stephanies railroad track theories, now abandoned. As to “marvel gaze,” I think we’re all going to be surprised at how simple this is in hindsight. Forrest has got to be getting a chuckle every single day if he’s tracking all this palaver. Dal, do you know where the original reference is where Forrest reported that a couple of people/groups got the first two clues then went the wrong way? Thanks, Wes

  51. FF said it was in a place very dear to him, private…if you’ve read both his books, there is hardly anything about NM in them. All this analyzing lines with page numbers and turning words around is all wrong. He said let a child read the poem. That means it is to be read as it is written. No secret meanings or weird codes, just a simple puzzle clue. He said “if you give me a test, give me the answers first, then let me take the test so I can get all the answers right!”. And the book contains subtle clues…pictures, comments, feelings. Know the man, and you know the area he hid it in. Think like he does. To do that, read and re-read his books, listen to his interviews and read his blogs. Get into his head, not YOUR head, for the answers. He wants it to be found, but is ok with it if it isn’t found for several centuries, so it is in a stable place, safe. Just don’ t over think it.

      • Thank you, Dal. I plan on joining the “chase” this summer. I have a few ideas where it may be. These blogs and info pages have helped. Of course, I’ve weeded out the “silly” ideas. I feel there is something everyone is overlooking in the poem. What he says is what he means. If you are in the right place to start, the lines will fall into place with a little thinking. Good Hunting! Maybe we will bump into each other!

    • Donna,

      I appreciate hearing your approach, as do I other’s approaches. Soooo many ways to view this poem. I usually return to, as you mention, as “a child read the poem”. I encourage all to at least have this approach in your quiver.

      I have approached the poem from several different angles. For the most my approaches to the poem or scouring internet discussions have not led me to anything substantial with even a hint to where I need to go or start or stop. The discussions online have their place in my search,; comrades, encouragement, discouragement, laughter, anger and excitement. I may find real hints online but I will always wonder whether or not they are ff hints that are intended to be transparent.

      I do know ff wrote a poem that would be all that is needed to find the treasure.

      I approach the poem from several angles but there are “soooo? many angles that I usually come back to the poem and the poem on its own yet to stray again onto other bunny trails. I would put my money on the approach “That means it is to be read as it is written. No secret meanings or weird codes, just a simple puzzle clue.”

  52. Virginia are you saying to dance a jig and check out the box. Tarry/dance…scant/a bit….marvel/enjoy…gaze/check out…dance a bit and enjoy my the hard work, determination and persistance.

  53. I think “look quickly down” is far more interesting/relevant to interpret, vs. “tarry scant.” You’ve (aribitrarily?) translated it as “directly” in both of your interpretations, but I think when you finally find the blaze, you’ll have to ask yourself “OK, now what?” and I believe there is a good chance that it may not be so direct.

  54. Ok. Begin IT where warm waters halt. What’s IT I don’t think he’s talking about the adventure if you can find out what IT is it should lead you Could it be a river maybe Madison river and take IT in the canyon down I don’t think he means chest as IT in that line either. What about Put In as in canoe maybe whatever IT is gets put in the Home of Brown. Maybe IT is a railroad. Just shows every line can be anything mr Fenn is Wise and doesn’t try to mislead folks but our minds can throw us off at times.

    • J.R.-
      I think the conventions of language apply in that IT refers to something mentioned earlier and is a shortcut for referring to the same thing again.
      That long car ride was hard on us.
      It made me sick.
      It made me tired.

      In the above case IT simply is a shorter and therefore more convenient way to let the reader know I am still talking about the long car ride.

      So I believe that in the poem IT refers us back to what he was talking about earlier…that is what the entire poem is about…
      The Thrill of the Chase .

      The title of the poem is “The Thrill of the Chase”…and IT refers to this very thing…


      As I have gone alone in there
      And with my treasures bold,
      I can keep my secret where,
      And hint of riches new and old.

      Begin it where warm waters halt
      And take it in the canyon down,
      Not far, but too far to walk.
      Put in below the home of Brown.

      From there it’s no place for the meek,
      The end is ever drawing nigh;
      There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
      Just heavy loads and water high.

      If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
      Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
      But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
      Just take the chest and go in peace.

      So why is it that I must go
      And leave my trove for all to seek?
      The answers I already know,
      I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak.

      So hear me all and listen good,
      Your effort will be worth the cold.
      If you are brave and in the wood
      I give you title to the gold.

      • Dal,
        Are you absolutely certain the title of the poem is ” The Thrill Of The Chase”? In my book TTOTC it simply states “so I wrote a poem” and there is no title attached to the poem, on The Thrill resource page it simply states “THE POEM” and in TFTW It has ” The Thrill of the Chase” on the upper right of the map page and the poem is in the lower left of the map page again with no title. When that page is folded back into the book it sits to the right of “colophon” and that page says ” Several years ago I wrote a book titled The Thrill of the Chase”.

        In my mind the book is titled TTOTC and not the poem, maybe i’m just missing something here that is obvious to everyone else?

        • JL-
          I am not absolutely certain about anything. I think I know who my parents were…but maybe they lied to me and I was really adopted. I think I know Forrest’s middle name is Burke but maybe the research I did was faulted and his real middle name is Abigail.
          If you are expecting absolute certainties in this chase than I think you are in for a big disappointment…

          1. I was in the room when Forrest told a reporter that the title of the poem is The Thrill of the Chase.
          2. Several months later I was in the same room when Forrest said that the poem has no title.

          So take your pick..

          In my opinion, my name is dal…

          • I don’t expect much so I’m never disappointed, but the truth can set you free. Most of the time I don’t even know that i don’t even know.imo

        • I have a pretty good idea as to the location of the treasure is, but Im not able to actually go there just yet due to lack of founds, but I will say that nobody on this site is even close from what Ive been reading as of yet.
          Also I haven’t even heard the state that Its located in mentioned,
          One night after studying and contemplating and heavy mediation it came to me at about 3:30am,
          Good Luck yall… hahaha!

          • Haven’t even heard mentioned the state it located in? What treasure hunt are you on?
            It’s Kansas son, it’s Kansas… where’s Desertphile when ya need him.

  55. Ok dal I understand what you are saying what does Put in the Home of brown what u think he is saying there,it can’t be the treasure that gets put in below that’s still at the beginning of the poem he dont mention the trove till look quickly down in my thoughts

    • J.R.-
      I think when he says “Put in…” he is telling us to get out of our car or plane or train or whatever we used to follow our route that was “too far to walk” and now start walking…

      Another idea might be that if we were following a creek or river a long way..say driving along next to it…this is the place we get out of the car and start walking next to it…or some think “put in our boat or raft or canoe and paddle it…

      But I believe he means to simply get out of our vehicle and start following this creek or canyon or trail on foot…

      I believe it’s that simple..

        • Wait! tarry scant isn’t the end of the rainbow, you must be in error somehow. I most certainly believe it is for two reasons important. Every word was placed for a reason Fenn said it was architected that way AND why define something as tarry scant only to mislead. NO red herrings!….remember.

          • I didn’t say it was there to mislead. I just don’t see it as a clue. The point of being a clue is to aid you in getting to the box or at least tell you that you are on the correct path. This does neither. Not every word in the poem is a clue, as there are nine clues. How does it get you close to the box?

        • Any description or marker would be getting us closer to the box else why would he use them.

  56. I know this might sound a little weird but my area the poem took me to a huge house along side a river and the house roofs color was ya Blaze Red is it possible the Blaze could be a huge house or you think I’m way off on that one. What you think dal

    • J.R.-
      I think initially the blaze could be anything..a red roof would work…EXCEPT…

      We have to keep certain precepts that he has given us in mind at all times…
      These things help us consider better exactly what “his” blaze might be..

      So..one of the “precepts” or “perimeters” that he has given us is that perhaps the chest will not be found for a long time..

      a hundred years…
      a thousand years…
      I think he has said both…

      So..if someone one thousand years from now was trying to follow the poem to the treasure would the house with the red roof still be there?
      Probably not…
      So could that house be the blaze Forrest had in mind..?
      My guess is probably not…
      He wants someone to be able to follow the clues in the poem a long time from now…

      Of course a thousand years is a long time and highways, railroads, even creeks and streams could change course or be completely gone in a thousand years…so how do you select not only what the blaze is or the home of Brown is but even the place where warm water halts is at…?

      I think you use common sense again..
      Forrest wants the chest to be found but he’s okay if it isn’t found for a long time…Lets use “a long time” rather than get hung up on a thousand years…

      So for me, your house with the red roof is an unlikely blaze..
      So would a carving in tree bark also be unlikely..
      So would a street lamp be unlikely..
      So would a new trail marker be unlikely..
      These things will not be around “for a long time”.

      A geological formation might be a better bet..
      Like a big white streak of quartz on the face of a black cliff…
      Something that could be around for a long time..

      Maybe a carving in a rock made by pueblo indians 400 years ago..
      That would likely be around for another 400 years…”a long time…”
      Maybe something that has already been around for a long time…

      I by no means intend to suggest that these are the only things a blaze could be… But I think it will jump out…be readily identifiable on the landscape..and be “permanent” or at least “protected”…
      Maybe a historical or cultural or geologic icon…something important to us and therefore not likely to be destroyed or left to ruin or crumble away over the next hundred years…

      This is only my opinion…others have different opinions and maybe they will share them here…

      • The chest may still buried or hidden (which ever it is) 1000 years from today, but I seriously doubt the poem will continue to be known and relevant beyond the next 2-300 hundred years max. IMO If not found within 300 yrs, folks will either believe its been found or simply a legend and quit searching. I hope for f’s sake it is found so that people know he is/was legit.

        So, when ff states it may not be found for 1000 years it sounds IMO like its buried as his bells are.

        • Dust and dirt build up over time if its not buired now in 1000 years from now it will be buired at lest by an inch or 2 of dust and dirt(maybe a lot more depending where TC is)

      • Dal, I believe Mr. Fenn speaks of two different methods in finding the chest. Using the poem as a guide for the present day treasure hunt and when he speaks of 1000 years from now, his meaning is the same as when he discovered his arrowhead at nine years old……accidentally. Just my thought on the subject.

        • Imagine finding this partially covered up just sitting there waiting to be picked up….heck imagine a whole box of these beauties!

          • The only thing preventing the poem from having a shelf-life (IMO) is if it is immortalized and the only event that would accomplish immortalization is the finding the treasure.

  57. Dal, it’s just a thought, but couldn’t Mr. Fenn’s reference to a thousand years be no different than his thinking with the bells he has buried? As I recall he has buried the bells so deep that metal detectors would be able to detect them.

    Forrest is an accomplished archaeologist. There was no “Blaze” or even clues in a poem that lead him to the artifacts he has discovered. It would seem he is thinking his bells could be dug up by an archaeologist a thousand years from now.

    My guess is that he feels if no one discovers his hidden treasure using the clues then it is possible an archaeologist could come upon it in a thousand years or so.

    • SpecialK-
      I see what you mean…but I think the evidence suggests that the bells/jars and the chest are two entirely different concepts…

      That being said I agree that a thousand years from now it is unlikely anyone will still have the poem or if they do have it they are unlikely to know that it is a map to a treasure.

      From what I know of where the bells and jars are buried it is likely that an archeologist will look in these places some day. But we have no evidence that an archeologist will have any reason to examine the place where the chest is hidden.

      Archeologists are drawn to a place because of the known or suspected use by man. We have no evidence that the chest is in such a site. There are billions of acres of land where archeologists will never look because there is no evidence that humans or our fore-bearers would have attended that place long enough to leave anything behind.

      He has never alluded to the location of the bells/jars. He has no intention of letting anyone find them in his lifetime. They are buried so that they will not be found for thousands of years and are crafted in such a way that they will survive for a thousand years. When found, people will puzzle over who put them there and why. This is his intent and the thought amuses him. He has said that he doubts he could even go back and figure out exactly where he buried them himself.

      The concept behind the chest is that it will be found. Finding it is a game. When it’s found people will know who hid it and why.

      I don’t think I can assume one concept shares any elements with the other.

    • That great interview with Forrest by Dorothy at Collected Works Bookstore is also posted on our Media Page along with lots of other interviews and stories with Forrest. If you are looking for something said by or written about Forrest..it’s probably linked on the Media Page.

  58. to me terry scant means go a little farther on – marvel gaze means and look for so the hole thing means go a little farther and look for that’s what I think

  59. I also have a really good idea of where Fenn hid his treasure box…
    i know of the places he speaks of in his clues, and can see where the last location is at in my mind.
    im just waiting for a little capital so i can travel and plus buy the tools in order to collect.
    good luck out there friends and stay safe… ill keep everybody posted 😉

    Thank you for your considerations and efforts on a great website.

  60. How can anyone be sure no one has found the treasure yet? Has Fenn made any comments, or given clues indicating that if someone did find the treasure, he would know; and further more announce this to all who is seeking?

  61. FF said people have been within 500 feet. So, possibly being in a place that may have tourists, don’t sit there gawking at the treasure with your mouth open, pick it up and walk peacable-calmly back to your car. The way people are now adays, they could hear you whooping and hollering and see you doing the Dal dance and come bonk you over the head and steal it. I think that is what he means. Get the #ell out of Dodge safely!

  62. I also remember forrest said something like this ” Your not just gona go out with your family on a sunday picnic and find it” Seems like if it is 500 feet from someone who he knows, who told him of their location, it must really be in a hard to find place. Not easy, plus 500 feet in the Woods, is farther than it seems. Could be 500 feet more up the end of the trail they were hunting on.

  63. So I ran the poem through my little calculator of a brain. First of all, Forrest is not going to make it too easy for anyone. He wants people to enjoy the outdoors. He wants people to be able to access the treasure during most, if not all, of the year. I have a site that is within 500 feet of a major road, that has all of the right clues, but I will not tell you too much. Tarry scant is potentially a reference to a wooden bridge that is old and the tar is no longer present, with a view from the top side of a waterfall. I looked and cannot access the most probable location by car or foot, but need a raft to get to the point under the bridge where the treasure would be able to be seen through cracks in the wooden planks. If I can get there and pick it up, I will not let anyone know as I want others to continue experiencing nature.

  64. tarry scant could also refer to railroad cross members. Blaze could not be permanent, as trees recover from a fire in a few years. I am looking for a canyon or hill with red sandstone. In addition, I think it references a location that does not make sense if you are thinking outdoors; except if you consider 42 pounds of treasure. I have the blaze as a BBQ cafe. The “don’t look at the view” might reference that the treasure is buried on or under a train railway. I am looking at a location that has high traffic within 500 yards, but the putting in below the house of Brown does not make sense. The rest fits pretty well.

    • NeedThe$; sounds like a sound plan to me. 😉 I may do the same ( also love the outdoors) – so what state is your Chase taking you?

  65. UP-
    Figured I would come here so as not to take away from Joseph’s story any more than I already have.

    I’m thinking:
    tarry-dark colored-as in tar
    scant-piece/slab/cut of stone

    I really do not know what I think anymore. I’m sure I’m just trying to force a solve to match my thoughts. It has been 4 years since the chest was hidden. Why would I have to “move on quickly”? Has the area changed? What if the chase goes on for 20-30 years would you still have to “move on quickly” or “not linger”? Is it in such a high visibility area that you are being watched? Or is there some sort of natural characteristic that will ensure that I do not linger.

    I guess it could mean “take your time” and look around but I’ve already done that researching the poem.
    None of those choices make sense to me. “Look quickly down your quest to cease”…Why will it cease? What am I going to see that ends the chase? The chest? Again if I see the chest… why would I have to “not linger”? Its been in the spot for so long. IMO at this point in the poem I am still searching.
    “But tarry scant”…IMO maybe I’ll be gazing with amazement at a darken stone. Still haven’t decided if its the darkened side of a mountain or a small dark stone. Will it suggest I’m in the right area and I will need to look around/behind/underneath for other identifying features suggested in the poem?
    Maybe once I am at the blaze… all these different ideas will come to me and I will have to choose one. Hopefully not to quickly.
    I am going to keep all options open but this is where I am stuck once again. I’ve crossed many locations of a list but I am back to my very first area when I read the poem a year ago before I purchased TTOTC.

    This blog helps me clear my mind. Many times I realize how crazy my thoughts are after I post. See what happens this time.
    Thanks for reading. I do not need Advil PM. I do prioritize my time and projects. This is the fun/educational- well spent time I give to myself.

      • every time i read any of these new comments it just reafirms my original location, but it will have to stay there until i come up with the founds to go and check it out, i actual saw pictures of this place that im thinking of, it right in plain sight, almost, and you will be arrested if caught 😉

  66. Just had a different approach to tarry scant pop into my head today.

    “…Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze,…”f

    Why write to “look quickly down” and then write “but tarry scant”? It isn’t written …don’t tarry scant.

    So I just decided he doesn’t want me to hurriedly search the area. Here is my attempt of an explanation at what these words might mean.

    “Look quickly down” means focus your eyes towards the end of this particular path and go there.
    “But tarry scant with marvel gaze…” means take your time to search this small area thoroughly and wonder at all possibilities in which the chest could be hidden.

    I’m just not thinking in this case that “but tarry scant” means hurry up. I’m thinking it might mean slow down and search.

    Are there any thoughts on this approach?

    I’m still keeping my black stone theory as a back-up.

    • It took me a little less than a year to tarry scant with marvel gaze, but I finally was able to.

      Fred Y.

    • Well, after reading the Asphalt Art story…I’m crushed.

      I do think there is a carrot dangling right in front of our noses.

      He “quickly looked…” ? Probably another coincidence.

      Sally m.-I also like the cliff edge idea. I keep it in mind as I’m tarrying and gazing (against all advice).

      Need to take a break and dream up some other crazy ideas.

      • good ideas. time to re-read, and get run over/crushed again. Good news is, if ff is in the area he’ll pick us up and call us artwork.

  67. Joe-

    How very interesting. I never saw it that way. So your saying look down the path in front of you. I was thinking cliff edge, look quickly down ‘vertical’ but now that you mention this I’m not sure anymore.

    • But wouldn’t it make more sense for him to have said look quickly up the path…if it is a path??

    • Sally m.-
      Like… to look down Main Street. You would be looking towards the end of the street. You would need to decide which end you stand at (preposition on purpose).

      • QUICKLY

        Learning, thinking, or understanding with speed and dexterity; bright: a quick mind.

        a. Perceiving or responding with speed and sensitivity; keen.

        Quick also means “the living “

        • 42-

          Was just thinking of you and math. Decided to read TTOTC one more time.
          Just noticed another coincidence. See page 48 TTOTC. 5th sentence. 4:45 + 5:00 + 16 + 8 = 4+4+5+5+16+8=42.

          Something about that chapter – Frosty isn’t the only one “trying to figure out the secret of thought”.

  68. Ok, here it is… an outta the box reading …. suppose the poem’s instruction is:
    YOU look quickly down, your quest to cease,
    But … (what you are looking at has the) …tarry scant and marvel gaze .

    Maybe YOU are looking at something that gazes… like a black telescope thing, a planitarium dome ( in Imp. Lit- that skylight over FF’s shower + balding head always hinted ‘dome’ to me), or maybe you are caught in the gaze of stone eyes, or a trains light coming at you in a tunnel.

    • Old Shadows-
      A type of reflection? I like the examples. I remember cognito wrote something about a mirror reflecting a while ago. So many different ideas.
      I keep thinking the poem is telling me to gaze though. Hard for me to explain. I keep thinking each clue (my nine) contains two parts…one part tells me to do something and one part tells me to look for something…together they form a complete clue.

      I noticed you used the double tombstone icons instead of the double omegas yesterday. End proof?

      Thanks to the other searches for answering.

      Lou Lee–I did like the “back before dark” comment.

      • Safety, not a reflection so much as that the poem in this line is identifying what you are looking at, not telling you what to do. You are looking at something associated with gazing / seeing / illuminating the way. I think scant is more like scan. Of course it could be tarry scat just as well and you could be looking at owl droppings.

        There was no secret meaning in my use of omegas or blocks. I’m just as lost as ever, but now I’m toting lots of baggage as I wander.

  69. Old Shadows –

    I think your type of thinking will win this chase. What I have found is right in front of you.

    • Thanks inthechaseto, My armchair is like a Venus Flytrap… I am slowly becoming one with it. I enjoy unhurried thinking challenges, but the frustration of not being able to test my ideas is galling. You may be in the same situation, because you’ve made that “its right there in front of you” comment before. May I ask what state you are in (not searching in).

      • Old- I’m pretty sure I’ve looked at the same thing(s) many a night into morning, visions of gold and big bills run through my mind. Put in below just gets lower…and then another hole ?!????!!!! It’s truly mind numbing. If you ever want to chat let me know we may have halves of the others whole. Dead serious.

  70. My thoughts on this part of the poem is this…
    You should be looking at the TC and therefore…look quickly at it…pack it in your backpack and go “quietly”…do not attract attention to yourself.

  71. It means…..Dont stick around Long, Go get the treasure and get out. Safely, You will have two trips to make, by dark, if you are alone in there…..LOL

    • Jamie-
      He has told the story of making two trips several times. In some he has used more adjectives than in others. I can’t point you to all the occurrences. But I’ll point you to one:
      On this blog, go to the index which is near the top of this page on the right. Scroll down to the category labeled “Most Important Info” and click on it. From there scroll down the list of “Most Important Info” topics until you get to “Media Coverage”. Click on it.

      That page takes you to a list of interviews and stories conducted by various media outlets since the beginning of the chase. Scroll down the list til you get to “Toby’s Excellent Interview” from Moby Dickens Bookstore in Taos. Click on it. If you have not heard that interview you should listen to all of it…but the story about hiding the chest starts at 5:00 minutes into the video.

      There are probably other instances where he tells that story on the Media Coverage page but that is the one I have kept track of. Others on this blog may be able to help you locate other instances.

      • Thanks dal…I guess what I’m getting at is trying to figure out is if was phrased such that both trips combined were half hour or two seperate trips were each that long. (One with shovel and one with chest haha?) Media seems to use different words and I prefer to trust Forrest’s mouth only. What’s your interpretation?

        • Jamie-
          I guess I’ve never tried to consider that issue in precise detail. I have no opinion. I think arguments could be made for all sorts of ideas about how Forrest moved the chest and goodies to his hidey place. How far the hidey place is from where he parked and whether he used a shovel.

          FYI-The above interview is Forrest speaking and answering questions from the audience. It is not the media’s interpretation of what he said…but you are correct that this is not the interview in which he goes into detail about how the chest was hidden.

          My personal opinion about the distance between the hidey place and where Forrest could have parked his car is that they are very close…a hundred yards perhaps…less than 500 feet.

          My personal opinion is that he did not carry a shovel because none was required.

          My personal opinion is that it is hidden, not buried, although it is most likely inside something that I will have to crawl or squeeze into or past to get to the chest and that the blaze leads me to the entrance of this hidey place.

          I take a very pragmatic view of the clues in the poem and I believe there are three undermentioned but important precepts I must keep in mind:
          1. Location, location, location
          2. Keep it simple
          3. Start at the beginning

    • @Jamie: Dal is correct; you should watch that video. Actually, you should watch all the videos. If you had done any research at all I don’t see how you could miss that one. He has said it so many times……..Lecture over.

      Two more places of many:

      I’ve said before the treasure chest is heavy. And it…I made two trips to hide it where I wanted it to be. But I’ve told people: don’t look for the treasure chest in a place where a 79 or 80 year old guy can’t take it.

      Joe, you make this thing so complicated. Reminds me of the reason I don’t like meetings. I hope you don’t belong to a PTA someplace. I made two trips from my car to the hiding place and it was done in one afternoon.f


      • Thank you both for your input. I didn’t mean a shovel specifically I just assumed maybe one trip was for hiding apparatus etc.
        old guy…I guess I’m lagging behind in the forrest research department. I didn’t read the book or wasn’t on blogs until lately as I was worried that would lead me astray, I hope you may consider me an ally and know I have earned my keep as I have spent countless hours with my “nose in the books” just haven’t been on the web until now. Thank you both for responding- I really appreciate it and stuff was hard to find through thousand of references. I really appreciate it. Cheers!

        • Jamie, glad you joined us and to be of service……I push folks to do their own research because people look at the exact same piece of information and have a completely different opinion about what it says. You may be correct about a hunch that would lead you to the chest, but discard it because you took someone’s word for it and didn’t do the research. An accurate quote taken out of context could have a completely different meaning. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for sharing information, just don’t write it in the Bible until you take a look at it for yourself.

          For example: If you asked me when Fenn stumbled across the French soldier’s grave. I would tell you it was during one of the times he was shot down. I would site the Loren Mills interview. At 15:50 she says the story about the waterfall and stumbling over the French soldier’s grave in Vietnam happened during one of the times he was shot down; he was sitting right there looking her in the eye and didn’t correct her. So I’m correct, right?


          No, that is incorrect. Anyone that has done research on the topic would know she is wrong…….Why didn’t he correct her? I don’t know, maybe he’s just being polite, maybe he didn’t hear all of what she said.

          Just one example of how things could get distorted….Welcome to the asylum.

          • Welcome Jamie –

            I agree with Dal – in that I don’t think it is very far from where he parked his car. At the most 500 feet.

            But, as he went in there alone – he had the option of parking his car anywhere.

            Have fun on your hunt.

          • Goof-
            Boy…that’s great advice and a terrific example..
            I can think of another along those lines. Forrest has always said, “I’ve never said it was buried. I said it was hidden. It might be buried but I have not said that.”…
            He has said this and statements like this since the beginning.

            Yet in a radio interview on a Chicago Radio station when the DJ said it was “buried” Forrest never corrected him…Not only that but he actually says “I buried it…” as he answers the DJ’s question. Later in the show Forrest gets into an argument with the DJ when Forrest catches the DJ saying “buried” and tells him the usual “I’ve never said it was buried.” The DJ tells Forrest that he did say “buried”…but of course Forrest didn’t know he said “buried” so he denies it…

            In my opinion Forrest got caught up in the DJ’s rant and probably never heard exactly what was said and didn’t know he used the word “buried”. Forrest does have trouble hearing things over the phone. But in spite of this one misstep by Forrest, for who knows what reason, his message is clear, he does not want to say it is buried. He prefers to say, it is hidden.

            You can listen to that interview here:
            Forrest says that he “buried” it 42 seconds in.

          • That’s very interesting, Dal. Thanks for posting that mp3 radio interview with Forrest and the DJ. Forrest did clearly say that he “buried” the chest, didn’t he? I’ve never heard him state that so clearly. I don’t believe all is as it seems, though. I happen to believe that the treasure was hidden…not buried.

            I also find it a strange coincidence that at exactly 11:17 Forrest says, “Well…I guarantee it’s no hoax. It’s for real and out there waiting for whoever can find it.”

            I’d just like to say, “Thank you, Forrest, for your integrity and your heart of gold. I’ve been having a lot of fun somewheres around half of the time!”

            And, “Thank you, also, Dal…for all your hard work and providing this venue for the benefit of all those searching for answers…myself included. Thanks!”

          • Dal,
            At the Moby Dickens book signing he says he buried it as well, then corrects himself immediately with “hid”.
            The Wolf

          • FF cannot hear very well, which is understandable given his years of service. I am the same way and often cannot understand female voices, or kids. So he may have simply misunderstood her question.

      • Goofy Old Guy-
        I know I make it complicated and I do apologize.
        Funny—- the PTA told me about this blog.
        Remember , I only heard about the chase last April so I cannot imagine all the simple solutions I must have missed (that’s meant to be a joke). Just trying to feel out other ideas that could be plausible.


        Just returned from the Sloane-Stanley museum in CT. He was an intelligent artist who truly new what it meant to keep things simple. He was intelligent enough to learn from the common man and the past. In a video he explained his speed in painting and why a mistake he might make would be a reason for a man in New York to buy the painting. I was baffled by his life experiences and stories. Did you know he sold his first Clouds painting to Amelia Earhart?
        On the large wood mantle above his hearth he carved “The Providence in God is my Inheritance” and
        his epitaph on a stone right outside the Main Window is “God Knows I Tried.”
        I did buy a book but not Seventeen Dollars a Square Inch…I was able to read that one in the gift shop.
        Here are a couple more coincidences for some of you. As you turn on the museum property you cross train tracks with a large steam engine display. Also the last painting he was working on at the time of his death is displayed… It is a painting of a red, hand water pump.

        Disclaimer: None of the above will help find the treasure.
        just figured I would share.

        • Safety Joe, thank you for taking us on a Sunday tour through the Sloane-Stanley Museum. Conveying your story recounted fond childhood memories of priming a red water pump for drinking water at my family’s primitive log cabin. And… Darn! I’m kicking myself all the way to Santa Fe for not digging around that red water pump at my rainbow place!!! JUST IN: WWH at a hand pump. I thought long about that possibility but didn’t want to disturb the pristine beauty. Visions of the FS Ranger paddling my butt into the creek with his shovel blazed thru my mind too.

        • Where in Connecticut did you see his stuff was it a Muesum I’m
          Here in Connecticut now interested in swing what u saw

          • Diggin gypsy-
            Eric Sloane Museum, Kent, CT. Great drive. Museum not large but watching the videos and reading the info is what I’m into. Also learned about Pig Iron, Salamanders, “Dead as a door nail” and well hooks.
            The center of town seemed to have a nice spots to sit down at an outdoor patio and enjoy a meal (and beverage) but I couldn’t stay.

          • Diggin gypsy-
            If you go to Kent early I would recommend taking a right turn (north- -Kent is on the border) and going 1hr. to Stockbridge, MA.. Norman Rockwell Museum. Nothing to do with the chase but a nice time. Don’t forget the Big E.

          • Eastern States Exposition-Largest fair in New England. Fair season…best time of year.
            Sausage with peppers. Not to mention Deep Fried Oreos or Whoopee pies.
            Horse, oxen and tractor pulls. Always have to watch the women’s cast iron frying pan contest at the Fryeburg Fair in Maine.

        • Joe, thanks for the interesting information. There’s no need to apologize, you could be correct. Just because someone doesn’t agree or can’t understand doesn’t mean you’re wrong.

          It’s all conjecture until the chest is found. Just my opinion. 🙂

      • Thanks so much forrest for not making the treasure a two day hike in to bear country…..Your my kind of treasure maker. Love you muchy…
        Lou Lee, chased by bears in jellystone park.

  72. Reading this tread and working the “Underwood” typewriter at the same time – has me now thinking each word should be taken separately.

    So it would be – tarry – meaning stay

    and scant would be — a little

  73. Let’s open a whole new can of worms:

    “Look quickly down, your quest to cease”…

    When someone has given up, he/she might look down, an expression of sadness, gloom or defeat.

    It seems to me that the stanza is telling you that once you get to the blaze, don’t stop there. If you do, you will lose. Don’t give up. You have to go a little further (“tarry scant”) to find the treasure.

    • Ok Alexander, open the worms. I’ll go bait fishing as long as the lake has Lilli pads to hide under.

      By the way, this verse imo is a metaphor for how quickly life passes; the quest you chase ceases and you’re facing death; looking down at earth being the home of your bones. But back to the physical solve…

      Your thoughts?

  74. Adjective

    Resembling tar.
    Covered with tar.



    (masonry) A block of stone sawn on two sides down to the bed level.
    (masonry) A sheet of stone.
    (wood) A slightly thinner measurement of a standard wood size.


    Tarry Scant = Sheet of stone resembling tar.

  75. I think we need to know what kind of vehicle FF drove to the location. Was it a Prius,4×4, sedan? We know he was able to make the trips to bury both items from his car in an afternoon, but how about from his location? Assuming he began in Santa Fe, its a 13-14 hr drive to YNP one way. More than half the day and he still has to lug 40lbs. Once done, taking no more than a couple hrs or so to hide and WALK back to his car. Another half day drive. Back the following morning in Santa Fe.

    I would put YNP as the tip of the search area based on Fenn’s proximity from his home, where I would only think of having the chest and paraphernalia to go with it. But I would rather forget it all together as it is to simple. I mean where else would you store $2million gold and coins. I only wish we had a deeper understanding of his entire trip and how long it took, did he drive straight from his home, make two treks to hide chest, and return that same day(maybe stop off at a motel, weak man needs rest). Going the speed limit just don’t see him making it to MT

    • Yes DB, if we knew how long it took to get where he went, the mileage from his house, the route that he took, and the location of the hidey spot, our work would be soooo much easier. Just kidding you a little. Figuring out wwwh and the rest of the poem is probably a lot easier than accurately zeroing in on the details of the exact day he actually planted it, imho.

  76. Like to think it is behind a waterfall, sitting neatly in a narrow crevice with small puddles of water on it’s etchings. Warm waters halted long ago and now the water is cold. Perhaps a rope swing into the cave hidden behind would be acceptable.

    • IMO and I think others figure yes if exposed to the elements and ff says its wet or something to that effect….

  77. My uncle is currently out looking for this treasure right now. It’s very interesting to listen to him talk about this stuff

  78. Great discussion here about this phrase. Let me offer this hint. What if it read:
    “But for tarry scant and marvel gaze,” ???

    This is my interpretation.

  79. I believed these three lines are the key.
    I believe the cover of his book confirms the location.

    And take it in the canyon down,
    From there it’s no place for the meek,
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze,

    you can email at

  80. I believe we all agree that Fenn is telling us the truth that there are 9 clues in the poem. And that the 9 clues are used in sequential order to find the treasure. But I also believe that there has to be a starting point to where to start using the 9 clues in the poem. I don’t believe Fenn wouldn’t give us clues to the starting point. It took him 15 years to write the poem. I believe there are the 9 clues in the poem and other clues to find the starting point. I believe Tarry scant is one of the clues to find the starting point.


    • Ernest, I agree with the theory that FF left a clue that points to the starting point, but in my solve the extra clue was found in TTOTC and it lead me directly to WWWH. I guess I’ll find out at the end of April 2016 if I am right or if it’s back to armchair searching while at work. All IMO and good luck to you.

    • Mark, I believe it is describing something. Remember Forrest has a double meaning for just about every word in the poem. Think of it like this. Tarry Scant=black and dry. Also Tarry Scant=run fast, little time to waste. I don’t want to give away too much but this should help get you on the right track.

    • I think Fenn said follow the clues in consecutive order, but didn’t say the poem’s clues were given in top-down order. Reading the stanzas bottom-up makes a lot of sense to me… & tarry scant could mean that you are on a place of fast traffic with a stunning view… a highway, RR track, airport runway etc. ‘take the chest’ would make sense if chest = trunk or trunkline, or spur road named Chestnut, or refer to the torso of a leggy location. Peace might be the heart of that location.
      Then to … no place for the meek, etc.

      I sort of imagine starting on a busy high road, looking down into a river valley, Maybe at an observation point and see a blaze across the narrow valley. I have to find (found) my way into the valley, perhaps to a town church or park in the heart of the town, and follow a leg to where where warm waters halt. At the home of Brown, you might have to go in alone.

      Just a thought….among many.

  81. I’m not convinced Forrest has a double meaning for everything/anything. If we choose to apply double meanings, that is our prerogative, however.

    • I understand what you are saying Mark. We are all speculating until we have the chest in our hands. In my solve I have found he likes to say a word as a hint or clue that means something. Like Home of Brown is a place and a thing from one word. I believe he likes to use totem words. Two words that are linked together. One example would be , and this means nothing, just an example is touchdown.

    • Mark,
      Fenn stated very word was deliberate about the poem. Halt; is a word that with just two meanings give two totally different perspectives and moves the poem completely opposite in interpretation. Even take the word Begin; as to start, ..or maybe.. create, establish, open, introduce, launch, enter to, etc…
      How many meanings of warm or cold can you define or have usage of?
      Does ‘ hear me all and listen good ‘ indicate that the word ‘but’ could actually be ‘Butt’ and changes the meaning completely? [as well as other words]
      A poem is all about the writer’s freedom to choose words he wishes and may not be common in practice. Fenn did state that he chose ‘a poem’ as the avenue to present the clues… there were many ways he could have shown us clue, yet wanted a poem to do so. imo meanings of all the words usage, may just be the most important part of this challenge.

      So is Begin it where warm waters halt a place to start? or could it be a place created? Can it be a place we need to enter to? Is warm just a temperature? If so how do we defined a temperature? by degrees, by feels like…
      Does End just mean the finish or could it be another definition as boundary or border? is drawing an act of pulling? art? a drainage? Does Nigh simple mean near or could it mean left, and should it mean left in the poem is that a turn or direction? I recall Dal telling an example of something fenn said about, walking through a door [ recalling from memory] Does one actually walk through a door or do we misuse words to there actual meanings. another example was the word Admire… which fenn “twist” it’s meaning to make it work…Fenn has also said in the book TTOTC that he bends words in the dictionary and even uses words that aren’t.

      I look at, the poem, the reason he chose to present the clues in this manor, and the challenge of discovering the nine clues to be all about every word / and placement in the poem. How difficult would that be in a straightforward poem?

      • He’s also said not to read too much into the clues and to just follow them, in order. No codes, no ciphers. None of that. “Don’t overthink the poem”.

        • There’s a big difference between over thinking and understanding which meaning[s] to use I’ll add is the poem only about finding the correct single meaning or using most of those different meanings. He also stated “know where to start” is that in the poem ~ which stanza? in the field? in the understanding of the poem meanings of words? He stated look at the “big picture” is this a large area, a stated, a country or the poem itself. If we are to understand what the clues refer to, doesn’t it make sense to understand what they mean?

          Like I said before, Halt can mean stop, as well as change in direction. That word alone has us looking at the poem completely different from one searcher to another… and that is just one word with two dictionary meanings of it. Which is it? straightforwards does not mean simple ~ in understanding or by definitions ~, for if it was, someone would have found the chest by now.

          • Yeah, he’s certainly cagey, and sneaky, whether intentionally or not. My current “attempt” is tossing out most “thinking” and just following clues. He’s said knowing where to start, obviously, is key. I’m going on the hunch that he has literally told us where to start, then working from there. I’m literally at a crossroads at the “creek”. 🙁

          • LoL, Mark…

            Maybe you can help me out. What are the clues?

            I mean we have been told that some have indicated to fenn [ because he knows what the clues are ] one way or another they found the first two clues, Yet they [the searchers or anyone] didn’t know it. Now there may be as many as four clues and still the possibility that searcher[s] don’t know they have them.

            How in the world are we supposed to follow anything if we don’t know? This has to raise questions on, are we reading the poem as intended by the Author.

            You said you’re at a crossroads at the “creek” Out of curiosity, what is your impression of creek? Sure it can mean a small water way, a stream of sorts. Creek also means; a narrow passage. Does that change your idea on how to see the poem? If it does, does that narrow passage even contain water?

            You may say this is complicating the poem… where I say, I’m looking at why it took so long to write a poem containing nine clues if the KiSS method of each definition is just simply what the eye seas, I mean sees.

          • II’m using just a creek (small stream of water). But, does he mean we wont need a paddle to go upstream, or we aren’t going Upstream, therefore no paddle needed? Hell if I know. I’m waiting for inspiration. :)

        • FF is not going to make it easy for anybody, he over simplifies his poem sometimes in my opinion. From the inside looking out maybe it does seem simple to him but we don’t have that luxury.
          I think there are parts that are fairly straight forward and then parts that are complicated and it is trial and error on all of it, but if a piece doesn’t fit right don’t force it instead look for an alternative. Understanding the clues is one thing, applying them to a location is another. Then taking all that to the bank is another, look at it like you dropped an object when you were out in the country and it was valuable to you, you know where you have been and what you are looking for but you may never find it.IMO

      • Thank you Seeker, I have been stagnant in my thinking . Your view has given me a much needed kick in the rear. Back to the beginning!

        Merry Christmas !

          • Seeker, I could not of said it better myself. Thanks, much appreciated. And Mark an example of my Home of Brown being a place and a thing is Grizzly Lake. Now this is purely an example and not my Home of Brown. But Grizzly lake could be a lake or body of water high in the mountains of Yellowstone and could also be the home of the brown bear. A place and an animal. I think bear is not Brown with a capital B. I believe Forrest used the home of Brown which is a name of a body of water that you put a boat in , but is also the familial name of Brown which is capitalized.

  82. Joe- I agree that most lines have a double meaning. For me; “But tarry scant with marvel gaze” is not only a directive, but also a direction. The direction one needs to be looking quickly down from the blaze.

  83. While going up to the search for Randy on Friday with Roger Craddock I discussed this find with him. I thought that since some people had said that tarry scant was a reference to a black rock it would be worth another look. The white rock on top of it could be marble, or marvel gaze. I thought it odd that somebody would leave it there in the middle of a field of sage. Perhaps to give direction to a specific area. The boulder behind it has interesting cracks, but they are natural, not markings. Let’s see if the link works:


    (yes, I took the white rock.)

  84. Let me propose a unique situation, where-in one would want to Tarry Scant after finding the treasure.

    Suppose you were at a location that had a boundary that divided private and National Forest Service land. In front of you was a BLAZE on a mountain (Not Blaze Mtn.) As you look at the Blaze, you begin walking down this boundary line. You walk into a thicket, and can no longer see your BLAZE mountain. At some point, the blaze comes back into view. “Look quickly down”…and find the treasure. Are you on private or public land. You are not sure. “But Tarry scant…& go in peace.” You pick up the treasure, put it in you backpack, do not even take time to examine the treasure chest, and get the heck out of there. In this situation, one would not want to Tarry and Marvel.

    Hopefully in the spring I will find out if this scenario is correct.

    • I once thought this way but in my first view of the blaze it and down were further away and that’s way I believed there was more to the poem. Just because you could see the blaze and down the rest of the poem lead you down to the blaze, if that makes sense. My most current way of looking at this part of the poem is much more creative and straightforward.

  85. But tarry scant with marvel gaze,

    Duh! (face palm)

    I can see clearly now the rain is gone, just waiting on a bright, bright sun shinning day!


    • Seannm, I like the face palm, that’s a good one. I had the exact same reaction a few days ago but have not been able to share it with anyone. I was going to yesterday but the country is have presidential elections here and the Gov. cut the internet. Polling should not go beyond today. But if the people start to behave badly it will get cut. So maybe today if I can. Hate to be late, but it is still there, to my knowledge.

  86. After reading the poem slowly aloud (many times) and because I enjoy word play I started searching all the bakeries in New Mexico. I am not suggesting this is correct or even sane but merely that it helps to think about and hear all the words. also this is a fun one.

    Buttery scones with maple Glaze

  87. I think “Tarry scant with Marvel gaze” means the hiding place is small and dark, and has a magnificent view from it’s location.

    FF said keep it simple. People like to over analyze.

    Just my opinion of course.

    • Just wanted to add the following:

      Merriam-Webster.com says:
      Definition of tarry
      : to be slow in going : to stay somewhere
      : of, resembling, or covered with tar

      Definition of scant
      : very small in size or amount

      Why do so many interpret these words to mean ‘don’t linger, grab it and leave quickly’ ??

      Just a thought.

      • because they are taking the poem for face value. If you think about it, tar could = heroin. Something covered with heroin? I don’t think so. But, that’s what happens when you read for face value to begin.

        • Hello Charlie. You make a very good point. Now let’s take what you posted one step further.

          ‘tar could = heroin’

          “Heroin” sounds like “heroine.”

          • Three heroines that come to mind in which were mentioned in Mr. Fenn’s memoir might be Mrs. Fenn, Amelia Earhart and Sacagawea. Perhaps he may feel his mother may be one, too. This is an opinion, offered as a thought.

          • pdenver,

            Other than Peggy; I truly feel that Forrest’s Mother remains the purest love of his life. ( He also has more of her physical features, than either Skippy or June who share their Father’s.


          • Hey P, pretty good thought. But, I don’t think f would even consider the use of that word, sounds like or otherwise. I do believe there are words that are meant to be used as the way they sound. So, good thought, who knows, right…

          • Hi pdenver and Hi charlie .Heroin could be hero in. Like Fenn was a hero in the war.

  88. Yeah I specifically think that line references a location, where something [possibly a view] can be seen. Scant seems to imply that it is _not at that location_ and therefore is somewhere else other than the place that has the _marvel gaze_ but is in fact another place with another _marvel gaze_ or view. It could also mean deeper in the woods.

    • I have been considering the possibility that “tarry scant” = a word that means tarry scant, and then it should be combined with another word which means “marvel gaze”. I have a few ideas about what words are needed here.

  89. Several people have noted that “Tarry” can mean black in color like tar.

    No one has mentioned that “Scant” can mean a stone slab that is usually flat on two sides. … much like a grave marker. This is an old archaic definition.- a definition used by stone masons.

    So, “But tarry scant with marvel gaze,”… Could be interpreted as:

    “Nevertheless, look astonishingly in the area of the tarry scant
    (the flattened or smooth stone – like a grave marker)

    This interpretation could put a whole new perspective on this line.

    It tells the searcher EXACTLY WHERE TO LOOK, and what their reaction might be if they do look there!

    Just my opinion.

    Good luck to all searchers and STAY SAFE.


    • I think it has been discussed before JD. Actually, a stone slab like the Rosetta Stone, meaning maybe the blaze is some sort of Rosetta Stone. Food for thought.

      • Scant has been mentioned a number of time, going back to at least early 2013. And for those who like to change it up a bit, hoB or pronounced hub is a stone shelve of a fire pit used to keep food warm.

        • seeker go to scrapbook17 where ff is drinking water and notice where he is resting his right arm and you will see what you are talking about the hub stone and what looks like a pit

    • Yes, it’s been mentioned as a masonry term early on in the chase that it would also have cut sides. I used that definition that it could be under stairs. Stairs being a place you wouldn’t stay too long. I recently was looking at Red Rocks Amphitheater. I had a whole solve that include Forrest schmoozing with John Denver and of course the Kingston Trio he would have known from there. Many scants there….don’t bother looking at row 4 block 23, because there’s at least one biddie that keeps that sectioned roped off. I heard a lot there and listened good…..but alias…didn’t find. Forrest talked bout not having to lose weight and if you get the chance…go there in the morning and watch them work out. It’s almost better entertainment then in the evening.


      By the way if you go there….coming out of Red Rocks into the town of Morrison there’s a speed trap. You need to ride the brakes so you don’t speed. Ticket will add $135 to your search cost.


  90. I totally agree with JD on the tarry scant. I seems logical that when you find the blaze you should look down and find the flat black stone under which the chest is hidden. I would make sense to the whole controversy of the chest being “hidden” as opposed to “burried”.

    Also, if the chest is in a river, this coverstone would ensure, that the stream wouldn’t carry it away.

    IMO the marvel gaze is pointing to the fact that this coverstone is out of place – it catches the attention of the eye. Or maybe the coverstone has some distinct markings on it – making it out of place.

    • Tony Doukopil says, “He told me the chest is ‘exposed’ to rain and snow, and could be scorched in a forest fire.

      We also know Forrest said wind could bother it while earth would not…so I wonder if a rock could actually be on top of it. Maybe it’s more likely on a rock rather then under one.

      • Hmm, Maybe so Stephanie. I still think that the chest would be exposed under a stone and if the chest is on top of a rock it seems too exposed (too the environment and the eye) unless it is in a cave – and then we are back at being “under” a rock in my opinion…

  91. Well on page 101 of the book TTOTC it says:
    The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
    Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
    Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
    Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.
    A Muezzin from the Tower of Darkness cries,
    “Fools!” Your reward is neither here not there.

  92. Many have given some different thought to But Tarry scan with marvel gaze… Something to do with Tar, Time as don’t linger… One guy suggested grab the chest and run because you may get shot. Even some say it may be on private property and you need to be stealth and quick so as not to get caught. Other like it for a time line of a type of alignment… I have even thought at one time that, Tarry scant could be Tarry [ name] point [ scant for small or pinpoint] to be Tarry point math equation which also involves 9 point circle… seemed brilliant at the time, and no one was shooting at me either.

    The thing is, are any of those suggestions in the correct order of understanding what they may mean?
    First we are seemingly told to look down… in this case the coma is not a break in the line for air or pause but might be more for a second thought ” , your quest to cease, ” and then followed by “But tarry scant…” Are we to think but tarry scant is only one of the options in the above? Maybe, the thing we need to look down at with marvel gaze is what tarry scant represents… a physical site [ not so much a sight ] so in another reading; Look quickly down with marvel gaze at ~ but tarry scant? and nothing to do with the chest at this point, because we still have to understand what it is we need to do or see in order for our quest to cease, and then ~ take the chest and go in peace?

    This thought also can pertain to hoB as the three line [ separate sentence ] above hoB might all be “Put In below” or already below hoB [ as instructions/orders to place those below].
    I can also see how no place for the meek refers to the CD and the line brave and in the wood could refer to the same as opposite of meek and in the wood as a mountain passage. yet if correct that these line are one in the same they are not close to each other in the poem.

    There is a lot going on after one had “found the blaze” imo…
    “…there’s people driving down the street looking for a blaze, because that’s one of the clues, but you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure, I don’t think, I mean, it would be a miracle if someone did.”
    Is fenn actually telling us that the blaze [ a clue ] is in the middle of the poem and not the ending point?
    and if so, what could tarry scant refer to as a physical place [and possible next clue] to marvel at and understand it… before… so we can continue our quest to cease?

    I know… C’mon Seeker fenn said the poem is straightforwards. OK, tell me where I took the poem out of order? The clues are consecutive [depending on what you think a clue is ], contiguous, and in my opinion still following the instructions in the poem… I’m just not reading the poem as printed, but understanding it as ” it might be” intended. After all it is a poem ~ that need it’s own interpretation, and not just the clues.

    • I’ve got a couple of ideas about “tarry scant”.

      “Terry” can mean a loop drawn out”. The online etymology dictionary says it may come from the French word tire’, meaning “drawn” or the past participle tirer which means “draw out”.

      I kinda like this definition because it seems to connect to “done it tired”.

      As far as “terry”, with the definition of a “loop drawn out”, there are so many possibilities. I picture terry cloth with its loops drawn out, and I can visualize a rock formation that has the look of terry cloth. Like pointy rocks sticking up the way the loops stick up on terry cloth.

      Another possibility is that a word which means “tarry scant” might need to be put with another word meaning “marvel gaze” in order to understand what to do next.

      My favorite choice for “tarry scant” is protruding rocks with the look of terry cloth.

    • That’s starting to sound like like subterfuge to me Seeker……..

      Other than the poem describing how to locate the Trove and one of its purposes to encourage people to get out of the house and away from electronics, is the poem designed to convey a deeper significance? Is there a subtle message you are sharing with the reader and hope they realize? ~ Seeker

      No Seeker,
      The poem is straight forward with no subterfuge in sight. Someone in an email asked me if I didn’t know where the treasure was, and could have the answer to any clue in the poem, which would I choose. I think that question is so funny and it makes me wonder how Jenny’s readers might answer it.f


      • LOL. What I meant by “After all it is a poem ~ that need it’s own interpretation, and not just the clues.”

        Most poems were meant to have different interpretation from one reader to another. Not unlike the clues themselves can mean different things or places from one reader to another. So while there is no “message” being sent, there still has to be a “correct way” of interpreting what the poem is saying and “how it is said”… for us to follow it precisely as intended.

        The line “look quickly down coma.” breaks the flow of this line and seems to be adding a second thought.
        It seems to imply an action [coma] the purpose of why and the overall out come [coma] then continues with what might be task… to gaze upon tarry scant for some needed reason…

        Why would finding the chest, the end game, be in the middle of the poem?
        Just like this question I asked, there is a second thought added. The question could have read as; Why would finding the chest be in the middle of the poem… Placing “the end game” is a second thought or even a simple reminder, Yet not needed.

        Is the line in the poem telling us to; look quickly down “at” tarry scant [ possibly a place or referencing something other than the chest ] “with” marvel gaze [ Gaze with intent for a reason ~ and I’ll add~ the reason for BOTG needed ].
        Subterfuge is a direct attempt to mislead with malice intent… I don’t see the use of coma’s as misleading but to add a thought or reminder of what it is we’re after. If I’m read correctly this is straightforwards~ as in honestly, to tell us we need to see the next step. NO hidden message, just reading the poem.

        That Seeker guy does ask some good questions though…dontcha think? lol.

        • Seeker,

          May I add my $.02 worth?

          It seems every day that passes, (and I’m not BOTG anymore this year), drives my impatience for Indulgence. My hope is that if someone finds my clue solutions useful and locates Indulgence, they would be willing to share just a small portion (to pay for my kids college)

          “But tarry scant with marvel gaze…”

          could indicate a type of plant life commonly found in the area of the chest which may obscure it. Granted, plants usually don’t last 10,000 years (unless they are Huon pine trees in Tasmania!), but a type of plant can.

          tarry scant = creosote bush
          marvel gaze = spectacle pod (Dimorphocarpa wislizenii)

          The spectacle pod is named for Friedrich Wislizenus (1810-1889) who immigrated to St. Louis from Germany and traveled and collected plants in the West. In 1837, he embarked on a journey to the west accompanying one of the expeditions of Rocky Mountain Fur Company. He traveled far into the North-West, towards the source of Green River in the Wind River Mountains. When the trappers turned back home Wislizenus joined a band of Flathead and Nez Perce Indians with whom he crossed the Rocky Mountains. He ventured back along the banks of Arkansas River to the border of Missouri. Upon returning to St. Louis in 1840 he resumed his practice, but in 1846 his longing for exploration took hold and he joined a merchant expedition to Santa Fe.

          So, hardy adventurers, plus this into your calculations and perhaps you can narrow your search!

          ~ Wisconsin Mike

          • On the discussion of plant life related to “marvel gaze”, how about ‘Marvel-of-Peru’. Common name for this red or purple flower common in North America is ‘Four-O’Clocks’. It seems possible that a person should gaze in the direction of four o’clock before proceeding.

          • First thing first Mike, I’m not saying anything I say involves a particulate one solve… this is why most will not understand what suggest. My thought are of all possible ideas all at once… call it a back up plan is you will. IF I was searching at this moment and came to what I believe to be an answer to a clue, yet that one answer didn’t pan out… I want a pocketful of other possibilities available to me right then and there, and not get home, jump in the blog and say I had a great time, but on the way home from searching for a million in treasures “I know what the answer is”. I mean seriously, can’t anyone turn around??

            My suggestions may seem all over the place and they are… and fenn seemed to imply this, as we won’t know if we have the first clue correct till we find the chest. Yet folks have told him where they were and they didn’t understand where they were… My first conclusion is they only were working with one thought of an answer in mind / one reading / one interpretation in mind / one theory. They didn’t observe there surrounding with other possibilities to what a clue may refer to. Not because they don’t see it, because they didn’t understand it… imo.

            Imo when fenn stated: straightforwards, it was meant in honesty to how he intended the poem, not what we think of the poem. We wouldn’t know we have the first clue until we located the chest also suggest to me that at any point in the poem it is easy to incorrectly interpret the answer… so for me I want back up ideas / readings / method etc. even the most abstract ones.

            But what about the know beforehand? I have suggested that this is involving reading the poem in a poetic manner, understanding what the poem is relaying… stomping, directional only, train stations, waterfalls, Death, birth, sunlight, darkness, alignment, shadows, The list goes on and on… How does fenn want us to read the poem? and not just what we think / hope it may imply.

            That is how I see straightforwards… his honest intention of how he wrote the poem to be read as. I had a solve that was posted here… I thought is was rather good, but other information came out, and after serious thought, that solve was wrong with that new information. Not saying it was totally wrong, parts of it could be correct… But I need to start over again because it didn’t pass my dissecting. I didn’t post it to brag or tell everyone it was “the” solve, and I’m not going to write a book about it… It simply is there for other to see something they may not have thought of. Trust me when I say… IF I was ever to put together a complete solution with all the stones stack neatly in their places no matter what method is used… I’M not gonna tell ya… lol.
            But I’m here for thought provoking idea that may help me… I’m only doing the same in return. If I want to BS about my life… I’ll right a book.

          • Seeker,


            I agree that looking at several potential solves can be useful, but it may also be dilutive in one’s efforts. I didn’t mean to say my interpretation is the only possibly one, just one I haven’t seen on the blogs and I tossed it out there to see what would bite.

            Further, I completely agree with RC, any effort to solve clues beyond the first, without having a solid solve for the first clue might be a bit presumptive and wasteful of one’s cognitive energy. However, being human and mortal, we dare to dream, eh?

            So, as we blog and gets scraps and pieces from others who believe they have a solid solve, but not a complete one, it intrigues me when a new clue solution floats to the surface. I ask, “Is this person clever as Forrest and has something here?”, “Can I incorporate this into what I have?”, or, “What are they smokin’?”

            Que sera’ sera’..

            ~ Wisconsin Mike

          • I agree that it is essential to figure out the first clue. But, unfortunately there is no way to be 100% certain that you are right until you work through all the clues and find the TC. I have 4 possible solves that I’m working on consecutively. I also have a digital notebook with every possible definition, synonym, holographic, etc for every word in the poem. I agree with Seeker that having this information on hand when it comes time to put boots on the ground, will be useful.

  93. I think It has two meanings, one being a short distance and the other a small black stone shaped like an animal skin

  94. Everything I write is IMO.

    I believe “tarry scant with marvel” is a physical item and that “with marvel” is even further describing the scant. While purists would question my use of a thesaurus, I think there is a very interesting synonym for the word marvel that could explain why those further along in the solve have yet to bring home Indulgence.

  95. @Seeker. The following is my opinion.
    I have no idea as to what tarry scant means or may mean. What I do know is that whatever it means is not as important as the first clue. To me nothing matters except the first clue. The first clue,to me, is the first stanza. No information is more valuable than what the first stanza,I think, is telling us. Many of us dismiss this piece of information and may think they are just simple written words. I think all searchers should pay more attention to the first stanza keeping in mind that there is a deeper meaning than what it says without changing the words.RC.

    • RC, Sure the first clue is important… we have been told over and over again that it is… And while my main effort is to concentrate on knowing it and why… we still need to understand if the other parts of the poem may be telling us something… the “certain beforehand”.
      IF tarry scant mean get the heck out of there… fine no problem, I know what to do at that point. IF it means looking at some kind of alignment, I know what to do… I just may not know how until I’m on location. IF it means that there is another location being another clue, I know, and again I may not know what that location is unless I understand what “but tarry scant” might refer to.

      • What I am saying is that the 1st clue Is the most important information, and then the second clue is the second most important. It is my opinion that one cannot find clue number 2 without finding out what the firs clue is, or means. If i am right one cannot find clue number 3 without clue 1 and 2 first.My opinion.RC

        • AH! RC, But that is exactly what happened. Folks have been at the first clue and the second… Let me rephrase that… fenn knows folks have been at the first two clues because the told him where they been.
          I’m not going to guess how many, but fenn started out with “a few”, then “several” then “Many” In different comments [ just trying to be accurate~without typing out 10 quotes] But they all seemed not to know they had the first two clues. We [ bloggers] have talked about this from every angle. The one thing, that keeps popping in my head is how we read the poem.

          IF wwwh is the first clue and IF canyon down is the second clue… how can all those searchers not know they had the first clues? That is mind boggling to me, especially when they were at those locations. My thought is; they didn’t know what the first and second clue were, because they may have been working on the wrong clues. Fenn used consecutive [ order ] and contiguous [ touching, neighboring ] about the clues.

          IF the clue touch or neighbor each other… it seems that water and canyon would be relatively easy to understand ~ straightforwards. I, mean that is all we talk about, to begin where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down, right?

          Or if we are to be completely honest with ourselves… those may not the first clue or clues, or we read the poem too literal in our minds. Example; that we need to go down the canyon… or the possibility fenn maybe be saying that wwwh, canyon, etc is what is “put in” below the hoB. My point is, right from the start, it seems every searcher has done the same wrong… imo… and that is reading the poem too straightforwards and without enough poetic reading. simple little mistakes.

          This is my suggestion for tarry scant with marvel gaze… Have we actually found the chest at this point in the poem, or could there be more to do than just stare at the chest and haul it away?

          So yes, each clue is just as important as the prior clue… and it also seems that is you don’t ‘know’ the prior clue, being at the next clue doesn’t help you either… so I have to ask, why is that ? what is missing from not knowing the prior clue? [if that is a logical and correct assumption].

          And before someone puts up the “reverse engineering” quote for a debate issue… read that quote slowly.

          • @Seeker The following must be my opinion since I do not have the chest. I have not seen any other blogger state this. There are two sets of clues. Boots on the ground clues: 90% of the solve is the first clue. Yes, 90%. The second clue is 9%, the third is .9% the 4th is .09%, and so on.
            Now, clues on the poem that is something different. Does that get your thinking fluids going? And I know I may be saying too much, but I do not care at this point. The most important clue in the poem is the first stanza. Yes,the first stanza, and not WWWH.If one cannot decipher this clue all others are futile. That’s why I think this is so important. Mr. Fenn is a very crafty person. As far as the poem goes I think he’s always saying the truth, but not the entire truth.

            Most searchers have failed because when they get “there”, they do not go back to the first clue. It is my opinion, and opinion only.RC.

          • I agree with much of what you say especially when you say, “Most searchers have failed because when they get “there”, they do not go back to the first clue.”

            I have mentioned my theory that the poem has a circular architecture. The last clue, “…in the wood…” circles back up to “…in there…” of clue (Stanza) #1 before.

            This circular architecture takes the searcher from a global view, to a very exact view of where the TC lies…all IMO of course.

            Good luck searchers, and STAY SAFE


          • RC, You said;

            ” Boots on the ground clues: 90% of the solve is the first clue. Yes, 90%. The second clue is 9%, the third is .9% the 4th is .09%, and so on.
            Now, clues on the poem that is something different. Does that get your thinking fluids going?”

            I’m not sure about getting my thinking fluids going, But are you saying you think i Someone was to discover the last two clues ~ on sight and/or poem ~ there is no way they can still locate the chest?

            While I look at the reverse engineering Q&A slightly different then most… IF you’re using hoB as a later clue [ lets say 3 or 4 but not the first clue ] and fenn stated if you know what hoB is why be concerned about wwwh… Does that not imply that IF you know a later clue, knowing the prior clue is not really necessary?

            Note; that assumption only works if wwwh is a clue prior to hoB as a later clue.

            Now, while I agree to a point that the first clue is repeated to be the one we all need to know… don’t dwell enough on, ignore etc. we have been told that a number of times.
            How can we dismiss wwwh a prior clue to hoB [ assuming knowing what hoB is] and still continue on and actually find the chest… Does this comment not make the first clue also not necessary, at this point, either in the poem or botg?

      • Been toying around with other ways to say get the heck out of there. Scat man, like Crothers. Wasn’t he in that scary Stephen King movie? IT? No, maybe it was the shining. Estes Park, Co.

          • Yes, pdenver. Have you ever been near the Stanley Hotel in Co? Wasn’t it called the overlook?

          • Hello MJ. I travel to Estes Park many times during the year(s) and one can see it once you enter the town. I have been inside the hotel and it’s absolutely beautiful and full of history. I hear it has resident ghosts, too. The Overlook Hotel is the hotel named in Stephen King’s book, “The Shining,” which was inspired by The Stanley Hotel.


          • Thanks for that information pdenver. Do you think there is any possibility that the treasure could be near the hotel? I’ve never been and was considering a trip there. Just Googled estes park and it looks like a cool place as well. IT was a stephen King movie as well. Maybe there’s a King connection to the poem. Begin IT.

          • Hello MJ. You’re welcome. As far as the treasure being near the hotel, I personally feel that it is not. Once again, this is my thought and would not want to hinder yours. There are many people who stay at this hotel and go on the grounds. There’s staff members who care for the property, inside and out. Occasionally, there are outdoor activities and I would believe it would have been found if it was there. Whether you feel the treasure is there or not, Estes Park is definitely worth a place to visit. It has gotten busy with tourists over the years, but still worth a visit. Small shops of all sorts along both sides of the road. Smells of caramel popcorn, candy apples and homemade taffy always fills the air. To top if off, Rocky Mountain National Park is about five miles away. A true treasure in itself. Many trails to hike. I walked one a couple weeks ago and the view was breathtaking. Also, came across elk and a snowshoe rabbit along the way. Most times, you can find herds of elk in town and grazing on the golf course beside Lake Estes. It’s worth a trip either way. 🙂

  96. Just a thought….”but terrace can’t with marvel gaze….”. Maybe one needs to be at a vantage point above the chest to see it clearly….like standing above it on a rock terrace of sorts in order to see it?

    • Hi Twingem, interesting that you are using the word Terrace. Terrace is possibly the blaze. Did you know Terrace root meaning is Earth or pile of Earth. Did you also know in the picture of Forrest back yard his chair sits next to his pond and a pile of rocks arranged neatly in rows. A rock Terrace.
      There are Many more references that lead to Terrace that I have.
      How did you get or see Terrace as important?

      • Hi DPT, saying tarry scant outlout fast sounds to me like terrace cant…. Maybe why we are listening good?

  97. This sure an interesting place in New Mexico!:


    On the Southeast of Hidden Mountain, a weed called “Devils Claw/Cat’s Claw” (Una de Gato) can be found. I recall reading something about this in a book by Suzannne Sommers. (Bark from a specific tree.)

    I think it is also found near Pagosa Springs, Folsom and Raton etc.

    • Devil’s claw can be found in many places in New Mexico. My kids love looking for them when visiting their Grannies Annie near Santa Teresa/El Paso

  98. Puzzled,
    You said in a different post that one of my comments was brilliant. Well I’ll return the compliment and tell you that your ” four o’clock” comment is far more brilliant than what I had said about guickly down. I think they can fit together in my solution. Thank you!


  99. I find this stanza the most challenging of the entire poem. This blog has helped though.

  100. I have a kind of unorthodox view of what “but tarry scant with marvel gaze” means. I read that Forrest’s original plan was to end his life near where the treasure was hidden. This was back when he had been diagnosed with cancer.

    I think the phrase has partly to do with his Original intentions when he first wrote the poem. When one finds the treasure they will also find him. Am I making any sense?

  101. I think that “marvel gaze” refers to what one might observe while
    being in the location of the blaze, and looking “quickly down”.

    FF is urging the lucky searcher not to stay too long in this
    location, even though it is quite beautiful (this is why FF chose
    it). A good reason to be brief in one’s marvel gazing, in my
    opinion, is that the return hike while carrying the treasure will be
    pretty time-consuming. It may take longer than the hike to the
    treasure. The searcher is advised to be back to the vehicle
    while there’s enough sunlight for a safe return hike, with the
    treasure, all the way to the vehicle.

    In the case of too much time elapsing on the hike, it would be
    good to have food with you. FF suggested a sandwich . . . and
    he was being clever when he said it, rather than “food” or “a
    snack”. A flashlight would also be quite useful/important if the
    daylight was almost gone. One would not want to be far from
    one’s vehicle at night in this location.

    The above is all my opinion. Yours may differ.

    Good luck to all searchers. Please stay safe.

  102. Shamag,

    Pinyon is most rare in the State of Wyoming as opposed to New Mexico, Colorado and Montana. It makes sense that “tarry coating” would most apply in this case?

    Tarry (is) scant for those Pinyons that call Wyoming. their home.


  103. Just my thoughts… Tarry is defined as: linger, be slow, waste time, or take one’s time. Scant is defined as: insufficient, little, minimal. I think this line refers to what do once you have found the ‘blaze’. One definition for cease is ‘suspend’. So, to put this all together, I believe Mr. Fenn may be telling us to cease (suspend) our quest and look quickly down at the poem again. But, this time take your time on each clue because the first time through only gave you a scant (minimal) amount of information about the chest’s location. So, reread the poem, but this time, think carefully and slowly on each line with the intent to find a deeper meaning (with marvel gaze). Of course, just my opinion here, but fits very well with where I am at in my search; my destination is small, but my location is huge. Although my solve has brought me to a very specific location with confidence, the search area still seems overwhelmingly large, I am hoping to narrow this down by finding some deeper meaning in the clues…

    • Yeti,

      It does seem to imply take a little time to do something.. whether that is to use the rest of the poem because you’ re at at this location… the blaze… you don’t know exactly what you need to do or see. Until you are there.

      Some like to think the opposite… use it as a warning…by saying leave in a hurry. Why they think this is beyond me, I can’t find a word here that means ” don’t linger or don’t gaze.

      I think it may mean… stanza 5 &6 are now usable and how this is to ” retrieve” the chest… not just locate it. Fen said he hid the chest so it would be difficult to find… he…imo.. use the word retrieve for this reason.

      • Seeker, interesting point about retrieving the chest. Above, I should have stated I hope the poem will narrow down the search area, but I believe ‘tarry scant with marvel gaze’ may just be Mr. Fenn’s way of saying we should look under every rock and turn over every log…

      • Seeker, you said, “I can’t find a word here that means ” don’t linger or don’t gaze” I think the word people see as meaning don’t linger is the word “scant” which means brief or short. I think some people think you should “tarry” or linger “scant” or briefly. I think this is why some folks think they should leave quickly or stay only a short time. I don’t believe that is the meaning of this phrase but I do understand why others think it is.

  104. It may all depend on how one pronounces the word “tarry”. There is a word “tarry” pronounced like “tar” which infers something is covered in tar.

    • Or Tarry can mean blackish in color – like tar. Scant can mean a flat stone like a grave marker so Tarry Scant can mean a blackish colored flat stone that resembles a grave marker – like the one on page 95 of TTOTC

      Just a thought. – JDA

      • JDA— that’s a very good point. It really is important to look up all the definitions of words. Thanks.

    • Not that your idea of “tarry” being connected to tar is not correct, but if you listen to Fenn read the poem himself he pronounces it like tarry, ter-ē, ˈta-rē\, (as in linger).

      Still, I don’t think it means linger. But here is the definition of “tarry”
      from early 14c., “to delay, retard” (transitive), of uncertain origin. Some suggest a connection to Latin tardare “to delay,” or Old English tergan, tirgan “to vex, irritate, exasperate, provoke,” which yielded a Middle English verb identical in form to this one. Intransitive meaning “to linger” is attested from late 14c. Related: Tarried; tarrying; tarrysome. (http://etymonline.com/)

      I think “tarry” means “terry”. Definition: “loop raised in pile-weaving, left uncut,” 1784, of uncertain origin, possibly an alteration of French tiré “drawn,” from past participle of tirer “draw out” (compare German gezogener Sammet “drawn velvet”). (http://etymonline.com/)

      Of course we aren’t talking about “terry cloth” or the loop cut in carpet. We are talking about something else that is “drawn out”.

      I think I have figured out the blaze. I think WWWH gives us the blaze. But, I have not figured out the poem beyond that point so I haven’t figured out how “tarry scant” fits in. Working on that now.

      • IF Forrest had pronounced it as TAR-ry, it would have been a super hint that TAR-ry was the way that he wants it read. Reading it as TER-ry, it leads most to believe in the “Don’t linger” camp, but leaves enough room for us TAR-ry Scant folks to think we are correct. Only time will tell I guess

        Good luck to all searchers, don’t TER-ry too long looking at the TAR-ry Scant. JDA

  105. Puzzled– good point. Forrest did pronounce tarry a certain way when he read the poem aloud.

  106. Tarry Scant…….Pine Tar…….Small Pine trees. Couple that identification with the previous lines of the poem. Having correctly interpreted the clues puts you in the position of being able to spot the blaze. When standing at the Blaze what does the poem tell you to do. Look down(stream). But what are you looking for? Yes. Small pine trees. When you spot those small pines if you look in between the two clumps of them you will find an area slightly more than a foot around covered with a layer of river stones. Underneath those stones find an 11″x11″x5′ vault made with small boards on all 4 sides and the bottom.

    • Brady,

      From what we understand, the chest was hidden more than 6 years ago. Fenn also has stated, he was looking “down the road” a 100, 1000 years when he wrote the poem… how long do those… ” those small pines if you look in between the two clumps of them you will find an area slightly more than a foot around…” stay small enough to see through a foot size opening?

      • The two groups of little pines are separated by about 20 yrds. The spot is in the middle of that area.

        • Ok… you had a foot and now you added 19 yards and 2 feet.

          Just out of curiosity, have you considered…growth rate per season, storm damage, fire destruction etc.?

          You said this position show the spot of the blaze… what happens when the trees grow from small to large or taken down… is that clue, tarry scant, now useless?

          • Wow! You just need to head out there and follow the directions in my posts. Its crystal clear when you see it in person. No ambiguity whatsoever.

  107. I don’t want to be short with anyone and my last post might read that way..Sorry if it came across like that. Maybe I haven’t been as clear as I thought so hopefully this post can provide some clarity about my solve.
    Warm Water Halt is where the Firehole River empties in the Madison
    Take the canyon down is Madison Canyon
    Not far but too far to walk is a bike ride from canyon to Hebgen Lake.
    The home of Brown is Hebgen Lake. Put in below is getting in the river below the spillway.
    No place for the meek means the solve is in the river
    End is nigh means I’m very close so each clue from here is very specific.
    No paddle up my creek means go downstream not up
    Heavy Load is the OLD USGeological Survey cable chair stretched across the river. The cable being under a heavy load. Also Forest has mention that knowing about geology will help with the solve
    High Water being the gaging station just down river from the cable chair(again geology knowledge helps this solve.
    Now the Blaze should be visible. Yes its the island that comes into view at this point and its shaped exactly like a blaze on a horse face.
    Look quickly down. When standing on the blaze island look downstream.
    your quest to cease just tarry scant. Looking straight downstream you will see two separate groups of very small pines on another island.. These two groups are about 20 yrds apart. Directly in the center of that 20yrds is a 12″ round cluster of rocks that cover a 11″x11″x5″ vault made of small boards.

    This is a good solve. In fact, its the most specific solve I have read anywhere. Its a solve leads to a very exact location. It also fulfills every additional hint or clue that Mr Fenn has given us. Its at a elevation of roughly 6400′ so its between the numbers we were told. Its 500′ from the blaze island and 200′ from the road. Both of those distances are numbers we have been given. The island is protected from flooding because of its nearness to Hebgen dam. Its protected from fire because its in the river and logging would not be permitted in the Madison.

    • Well thought out. Hope you can put boots on the ground and prove it correst. Good Luck, and TRY to STAY SAFE


      • One thing to note is that the 2 prominent pines on the island that you can see on google maps are not the tarry scant. The two clusters of tarry scant on the treasure island are not readily noticeable until you are there in person.

    • @Brady Hey I hate to bust your bubble, but I searched that EXACT SPOT you are talking about a little over a month ago, for multiple days, and sorry to say there is nothing there. If you haven’t read it already, my journey was posted here by Dal not long ago, the blog post is called “The Majesty.” I spent many days scouring from Hebgen Dam down to Quake Lake, but mostly up near Hebgen Dam down to Cabin Creek. I’m a stubborn guy and it’s still my main solve (though not my first), but I can tell you the spot you’re referring to I have seen with my own eyes. Nothing there.

    • I’m also incredibly curious how you figure a 12 INCH round cluster of rocks, and a 11x11x5 inch vault made of boards… Especially if you’re guessing off of Google Maps lol. My friend, let me be the first to say, unless you have stood in that spot as I have, please do not try to guess dimensions. It’s folly. You must stand there for yourself and know.

  108. How many people saw this and are out searching this spot at this very moment? Sounds believeable but can an 80 year old man carry the chest to the island. “There’ll be no paddle up your creek”. Is the river wadeable?

    • It’s very tough. I’m 6’5″, 270 pounds and a former college football player. Even I had a tough time attempting to cross parts of the Madison from below Hebgen Damn to the bend by Cabin Creek. But even that being said, there were days I saw men on the opposite side of the river by the cliffs, and I wondered how in the heck they made it there. So, I would say that if you knew the right spots, it may be doable.

  109. The more I search (on my last trip, I think I got within 200 feet of the TC),
    the more I see of the real terrain in the area of the TC. It’s quite different
    that what I saw on mapquest — which did help me solve the poem — and
    on google earth — which also helped, but like FF said, doesn’t allow one
    to “zoom in” enough to see the TC.

    It has been brought up that a “tarry scant” could be a slab of rock that
    is dark in color (“tarry” means blackened, as with tar) and sawed on
    two adjacent faces.

    While I’m guessing that FF may have covered the TC with a rock slab,
    or perhaps even placed the TC ON a rock slab, unless he brought the
    slab with him (i.e., as a pre-engraved symbolic “headstone” or something
    similar), he used a nearby rock that he found on the trip he made, while
    carrying the TC or the contents.

    My search area has a lot of darkish rocks that are very “blocky” in shape.
    Many are the size of a chair or larger, and there are way too many to
    count. I was unable to learn any of this by looking at a computer screen.
    I only learned this by a BOTG search.

    I think that a slab of rock could help stabilize the position of the TC, as
    well as possibly helping to hide it from obvious view. But I also believe
    that the poem gives directions that are precise enough for a searcher
    to get within about 50 feet of the TC, give or take perhaps about 20
    feet. This suggests that a circle of maybe 70 feet radius — or, more
    technically defined, a rectangle of approximately the same width of,
    say, seventy feet, and a length of not much more than 70 feet — is the
    logical search area. That is kinda big, considering the terrain, but if FF
    had given any more precise info, it probably would lose a lot of validity
    in a thousand years or so. Please remember that his clues can hardly
    be specific about a tree, for example, and still be valid after a bunch of
    forest fires, logging, etc. This is why I believe that he used only
    relatively durable things as objects to look for when searching. A
    creek, for example, is likely to last for a thousand years, if not diverted
    or destroyed by construction projects . . . for this reason, a location far
    from the center of a rapidly-expanding city is implied. I think he did a
    good job with the poem. If my solve is correct, a successful searcher
    will need to hike about 2 miles, on pretty rugged terrain, mostly uphill,
    in thin air, to get to the TC. There is a bit of water to cross, but it’s not
    very deep. It probably is cold.

    And then the searcher will want to return, carrying the treasure. I
    believe that it’s about a 2-3 hour hike to get to the specific search
    area, and that it may well take a couple hours of looking, once there,
    to find the TC. Then 3-4 hours should be allowed in carrying the
    goodies back to the place one parked a vehicle (car or truck). About
    9 hours or more of decent daylight should be arranged for. Please
    consult weather reports, and be prepared for sudden changes in the
    weather. Like sudden snow, as I encountered in May 2016. I aborted
    my hike as a result of that.

    Please remember that FF suggested, I think, that bringing gloves would
    be a good idea. My opinion on this is that lifting a good-sized rock may
    be appropriate . . . and it may not be very “rounded” or “smoothed” on its
    edges or corners. I suggest leather gloves.

    The above is just my opinion. Yours may differ.

    • hey ! someone’s here.
      Last night I asked my wife about her thoughts on tarry scant…she looked over at me and rolled her eyes…(uh oh)
      then said…you’d be wise to get out in the kitchen and do the dishes. Geez…and I thought she was finally coming around to tell me what she really thought. So…I did the dishes in a hurry and ran back in to see if maybe there was more to it…but nope…she had the head set on and was watching some dumb reality show.

      • Tarry Scant are the least common used words amongst people today that were used in poem . I would like to think I know why ,But I too have to go to the kitchen .

      • You have to be careful when a woman rolls her eyes at you. You might get into a lot of trouble. 🙂

      • I found a person that there is a good chance knows Forrest . And that person has been known to use that word “tarry”. Now how many people today use that word ?

          • Jake, I’m not convinced of that. My solve
            indicates that there is something else in
            the vicinity of the TC that could, under
            the right conditions, present a marvelous
            viewing experience. The right conditions
            can be defined by a good solve of the
            poem, unless you “happen upon” the
            info like I did, which I believe was a lucky

            Good luck in your solving and searching.

  110. Tarry scant = don’t stick around too long.
    Because you’re cold & wet & hypothermia may set in.

    Your effort will be worth the cold if you can stand it.

      • Well pd,
        I consider 2 things in the poem to be cold & wet.
        My next adventure will take me to Tepee Creek just above West Yellowstone where I have been doing a lot of research that seems to go with the poem.

        Not sure if I can go this year but crossing my fingers.
        I may try to move to Bozeman & see if I can make things work out.

        Sage Creek is another focal point & may have to discard Taylor Creek seeing it is too treacherous to heavy loads.

        Maybe in 2018…

        • I hope your move to Bozeman turns out in a positive note for you. I recall what you said last year and how you felt about Montana. Just the few miles driven in West Yellowstone last year, I was in awe.

    • Hypothermia is dangerous.
      Bad direction to lead anyone into.
      Forrest wouldn’t do that !
      And neither should you !

  111. Although FF has mentioned, I think, that when one opens the treasure chest and sees what’s inside, it will look MARVELOUS (thereby “marvel gaze”), I suspect that there is, in fact, a “tarry scant” (slab of dark rock) that may surprise/impress the finder — right where the treasure chest is. For example, a dark(ish) “headstone” with FF’s name carved into it may stand right next to the treasure chest. This could certainly induce a (surprised, fer shur) “marvel gaze”, especially if one is searching only for the chest, and not for anything even remotely resembling FF’s headstone.

  112. Here’s a quote that appears at the top of this thread:

    March on. Do not tarry. To go forward is to move toward perfection. March on, and fear not the thorns, or the sharp stones on life’s path.
    Khalil Gibran

    I encountered both thorns and sharp stones — literally — on my last
    search trip, as I was moving directly toward my final search location. I don’t know whether this was just some sort of coincidence.

    Regarding “tarry scant”, it has already been mentioned that this may be
    a (transpositional) reference to “starry cant” which could refer to a slope
    of some kind, that sparkles visually.

    Also, there may be another small implication using the phrase “starry cant” as it could relate to the location of the treasure chest. This may be a bit of a stretch, related to geographical coordinates. I don’t want to say too much about it now. Maybe I’m using TOO MUCH imagination. Anyway,
    it does further support my solve, although my confidence in it is already
    quite high. I’m planning my third search trip to the same location.

  113. Didn’t the original draft include the line “Just take the chest and leave my bones”. “But tarry scant with marvel gaze” makes perfect sense in this context does it not?

    • J Smith. Forrest has not come forth with the original poem, but some time ago, this was posted, based on what are believed to be the original lines of the poem: “Look quickly down beyond the stones, Take the chest but leave my bones.” Take it with a grain of salt. It MAY or MAY NOT be the original lines – only Forrest knows. JDA

    • Ok, but why or how does this help by knowing what the words might be used as?… See my response of your multiple comment{s} today, on the in the wood thread.

  114. Had a revelation about this line just now (in conjunction with my GE site)… Feeling pretty pumped as it was a gray area in my otherwise complete solve. Sorry to be cryptic, you’ll have to wait and read about it in either my “TC found” post or my “Here’s my failed solve” post, whichever the eventual case may be.

  115. IMHO – Hints are open game for discussion, but true CLUES are difficult to share on a blog with others active in the Chase. Unless, the Clue can be deemed solved. It is with that condition that this revelation is shared with the forum:

    Tarry Scant (Double Entendre #1) = wait around very little
    Tarry Scant (Double Entendre #2) with Imagination = little tire
    In the South each day people put “tars” on their cars. A tire salesman
    who is out of that tire size might say he has, “scant” inventory right
    now. A Southern child in a peddle car is rolling around on 4 “tarry
    scants” (with a little imagination) and if you offer them ice cream will
    “tarry scant” before jumping off the peddle car to take you up on the offer.

    Rumor has it that this Clue has been removed and is now cherished as a Chase cult collectors item.

    • Didn’t mom ever tell you not to repeat rumors? lol.

      Do you believe annunciation or pronunciation or lack of correct of either, helps with understanding clues? Such a Tars for tires. I mean, we could *water shalt* take it in,… and change the whole perspective of what could have been the intent. It sound to slang for me personally.

      I’m also not getting the reason for tarry scant imagination to mean tired? For the poem to say this seems that anyone looking for the chest at this point would be physically tired { if I’m reading this correctly }… would that be the same for a healthy, strong 20yr old vs. an out of shape 50yr old packing 75lbs plus extra body weight? I don’t see why this would help and for it to be in the poem…

      You said ~”… Unless, the Clue can be deemed solved. It is with that condition that this revelation is shared with the forum:” If you have this up to this part solved… how far are you, in your belief, along in your solution?

      • Seeker,

        NOT physically tired. Thus the (other) line you refer to is saying IMHO, “I’ve done it tired (marked it with a tire) and now I’m weak (anagram for -wake- meaning: I’m alive and well).

        As all the clues line up, in order. Then, with boots on the ground you look quickly down and notice a little tire (totally out of place for a trash free area), one tends to think…a little tire? Or is it a scant tire? A Texan might say a “little tar.” A Texan with a rich vocabulary might say a “scant tar.” Or is it double entendre for a “tarry scant”? That is the rumor anyway. You can decide for yourself.

        • OK, how do you know what words to anagram or not?
          Seems using this system of picking a word and change it or sounds like another word, can be more confusing than difficult.
          But I need to ask about the little tire in a trash free environment… What’s to say a canine or raccoon or hiker or strong winds would take it away?

          Kinda kills the solve wouldn’t it? And if anchored down, would that draw attention, make passerby’s to look around wondering why, and possibly stumble across the chest?
          The problem I see with the word “tired” is you need to remove the past tense of the word to make it work… and actually spell it different. I’m not sure if I go along with your analogy on this. Too many variables need changing and/or not reliable as a somewhat permanent marker of clue.

          Just my thoughts.

    • LMN…I went down that road when my perfect solve did not work out for me 3 years ago. That road was very short, no scenery…and bumpy as a crocodile’s back. Short lived as it were. NO tars in the wood! Fun stuff though…

  116. Seeker,

    To conclude our conversation, although I was talking about the 4th stanza, you brought up the 5th to dispute my findings. I then, I tied the 4th stanza with the 5th in the fore mentioned post. Just look at these stanza again,

    But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
    Just take the chest and go in peace.

    So why is it that I must go
    And leave my trove for all to seek?
    The answers I already know,
    I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.

    Forrest plants the question of WHY? and then answers it. He answers it with a frank explanation of what he did – marked it with a “little tire “- walked away and now feels “weak” (anagram for WAKE) or more alive than ever, healed, and satisfied that his self-imposed goal to pay his “indulgence” is complete.

    I could care less if you ever totally accept this explanation, I just want you and everyone else to be able to appreciate the craftsmanship, the finesses and the mastery of veiled communication that this poem and Chase represents.

    Finally, “marvel gaze” was also a physical object requiring some imagination to understand (as well as a Double entendre for the obvious definition) that allowed for further confirmation/triangulation and is no longer at the location.

    • LMN,
      I got what ya was saying. Clever in a way, but do you actually mean a tire? as rubber vehicle tire?
      This is where I have to ask, why?… why leave a piece of trash as a marker? I mean, If I was going to my final resting place where I could see/want to be with animals, trees, mountains, and the smells all around…The last thing I would want to do is treat it like a trash dump. Fenn’s leaving Gold, precious gems, artifact collection, etc. I just don’t see him leaving a tire. And if being honest… interpreting weak to mean wake is a stretch.

      Now if the marker, blaze, indicator ~ call it what you will, was a representation / interpretation of a tire, such as a wheel… not unlike stones, designed as Medicine wheel, or something similar… I can get the connection with out trash. I like the thought process… the item is too much to chew on.

      But you totally lost me on: ““marvel gaze” was also a physical object requiring some imagination to understand… that allowed for further confirmation/triangulation and is no longer at the location.”

      How do you know what is or “was” there?
      IF it allows for “confirmation/triangulation” isn’t it needed to be there?

      I don’t care what it is or was, I’m trying to figure out how it was supposed to confirm anything if it’s no longer there.

      • Seeker,

        A large (too wide for a dog toy), light weight, black, plastic (peddle car) “tarry scant.” Not ready to comment further on the “marvel gaze” object that was within 12-feet (mol) of the “tar” and all “in the wood” vicinity, which was “quickly down” from the blaze (and it is not going anywhere.)

        Like any fun game, I believe f knew that the Chase should/would continue (for 1000 years), entertaining, causing interaction with friends and family, creating adventure and excitement.

  117. I’ve never been able to shake the feeling that this line is just a playful little homage to Lewis Carroll:

    ‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
    Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
    All mimsy were the borogoves . . .

    . . . but tarry scant with marvel gaze.


    • good eye…Lewis Carroll had me going for some time. My conclusion was that it became too complex and required more specific knowledge than necessary. Fun stuff…

    • Could be that what i took for double entendre was actcually triple entendre. Just learning about all this.

  118. anyone tink tarry scant is cihpered?.

    i think it tarry scant = fuzzy focus. the characters are jumbled in 3 groups of 3

    cipher text TARr plain text ysc cipher text ant


    thank You for Your time

    • I’ll state the following as a fact, not an opinion:

      If the poem is ciphered, I’ll never solve it.


  119. For me, I would have to go back to one Dal’s statements in 2013 on this blog where he mentions that he feels that “tarry scant” is direct and simply means that, “don’t linger to long, take the chest and go in peace”.
    I agree with this thought process and personally believe that the
    “tarry scant” usage ties into
    “….and with my treasures bold”. I’ve stated a few times on this blog that I’ve always found the use of the word “bold” interesting. Now, I understand that the use of “bold” could just be to state that he went with bravado to the hiding place with his chest, but I never found the word to fit or sit well with me. Its bold to do something daring, it doesn’t seem bold to me to go to a place you already know, with or without a treasure.
    The use of “bold” and “tarry scant” seem to me to tie together. As Dal stated in an earlier post (paraphrasing) “…why would you not be able to linger long once you found the chest?”. I believe that the use of bold is because there was a risk of getting caught where he went and that is why you have to tarry scant yourself outta there.
    Anyway….just my thoughts and ramblings…..opinions?

    • I agree that “tarry scant” indicates to not linger long at the treasure site. There are two main reasons I can think of for not lingering. One, it’s in a dangerous spot. Two, it’s a place where you might not be welcome. Forrest has told us it’s not dangerous, so I conclude that the treasure is in a place where you might not be welcome.

      • Tom, you could be 100% correct on the “…in a place where you might not be welcome”, I am only speculating.
        I’ve just always found the use of these words somehow interconnected. Bold, for me doesn’t fit. It’s bold to hike in the mountains alone in Grizzly country (and stupid lol), its bold for a young man to walk up to the most popular girl in school and ask her out on a date, it doesn’t seem very bold to me to go to a place that you know, is special to you and isn’t too hard to get to or dangerous. It would be BOLD however, if others frequent there and someone could catch you in the act of hiding something. You would likely have to “tarry scant” and get your keester outta there with the treasure so that no one sees you. This also would play into your a place where you might not be welcome. (National Park, Private Land, etc.)
        Just my thoughts…….

      • Anything of value found on government (Forest Service) land CAN be claimed by the government. The finder is SUPPOSED to turn it in to the nearest agent, who will impound it, and “place it in escrow” – publish the fact that the “Valuable Item” has been found, and await the rightful owner (Forrest) to claim it and prove that it is in-fact the “owner’s property”. OF COURSE if I find it, I will abide by these mandates. OF COURSE I will!! JDA

  120. I find the use of the word “bold” strange as it is placed in the poem. It is as though he is ascribing boldness to the treasures. I might have said, “I go in alone and boldly” but then it wouldn’t rhyme correctly.

    Next he refers to “riches new and old” which seems to be the rich experiences he has had and those we have looking for the TC. It really doesn’t seem to be about the treasures inside the chest.

    “Tarry scant” is kind of hard to figure out, since if you do find the TC, you will at least have to open it, verify it’s the real deal, and deal with the key, etc. So is he saying, “hurry and leave ASAP?” Then we ask; Why?

    Or is there another meaning to those statements? Tarry means to linger or do things to slowly, or it can mean black like pitch tar.

    The meaning of “tarry” and “scant” together seems to be saying, “Don’t hang around for long, just get the treasure chest secured and leave.”

    It still confuses me as the word “bold” after the word “treasures”. Maybe it is a hint that the “blaze” is BOLD somehow.

    • I agree with your thought process Franklin. I’m of the theory he means, if you solved it all correctly and you’ve found the chest, don’t linger, just take it and go in peace. For me this would mean that wherever that is, there is some risk of being caught, otherwise you could take your time.

      • “Look QUICKLY down, your quest to cease” + “BUT tarry scant…” I think this is advising us to either look down a creek with a name like quickly, to look down at something that moves and reveals the TC, to look down at something that looks like quicksilver and then not to leave quickly, but to wait a little to gaze and marvel at the view, including at what’s in the TC.

        I also think there are multiple meanings to each of these two lines.

      • Forrest indicated that he spent a lot of money on lawyers concerning where the chest was hidden. I believe he has included some helpful advice in the chest to aid the finder.

        • The more I think about it, the more convinced, that Forrest placed a document in the chest to legally transfer ownership of the treasure to the finder. I have read that the inclusion of “trove” in the poem has legal implications also. Forrest spent so much time planning this chase that I feel sure he has anticipated, and took steps necessary, to allow the finder to retain ownership regardless of the location he chose.

      • It takes energy to make something ‘move.’ ( The Sun produces energy/ force ).

        Might the positioning of the Sun, as an example; have something to do with a more favorable window to ‘cease’ it?


    • Bold and Bald share some etymological roots… bald being a smooth rounded area at the top or head. Sometimes white is mentioned. sounds like geography to me.

  121. about it, the more convinced I am, that Forrest placed a document in the chest to legally transfer ownership of the treasure to the finder. I have read that the inclusion of “trove” in the poem has legal implications also. Forrest spent so much time planning this chase that I feel sure he has anticipated, and took steps necessary, to allow the finder to retain ownership regardless of the location he chose.

  122. It is quite interesting to see all of the obscure definitions and changing of words and pronunciations going on. Forrest said multiple times to “keep it simple” folks.

    • Tom B;

      Forrest also said, ““The poem in my book is something that I changed over and over again. When you read the poem, it looks like just simple words there, but I guarantee you, I worked on that thing … I felt like an architect drawing that poem.” f

      They may appear to be simple words, but one must learn the EXACT meaning that Forrest meant for each word if you are to unravel the riddles of the poem – IMHO – JDA

      • JDA. Yes, clues are difficult to interpret, not because words are difficult to interpret, but because the context is missing. This is why Forrest says you have to start with the first clue. Once the general location (I.e. Context) of the first clue is correctly determined, the remaining clues will fall into place. No obscure word meanings needed. All of this is my opinion, of course.

        • Not that I have the treasure, but out of the 166 words in the poem, I can count 43 words with special meaning from within the poem, and another 5 from outside of the poem. Words whose correct definition leads directly to Indulgence. I would not be so quick to discount them. JDA

          • I like to keep it simple, as well. But I still look up various definitions of even the mundane words, like “but”. The “but” in “but tarry scant” at first whiff sounds like “except” or “nevertheless”, but it also can mean “from there”. So, I read that line and think “from there…tarry scant”. Same with “your quest to cease”. Cease could mean “stop”, but the line says “to cease”, so is he hinting we should continue to the end or complete the rest of the blaze?

            Who knows, but considering how much effort he put into creating the poem, I’m betting the first interpretation that pops into our heads isn’t the correct one. He wants us to dig deeper.

          • JDA. It still comes down to finding where warm waters halt. If that location can be determined with certainty, then there are relatively few options to explore for each subsequent clue.

  123. @JDA
    Change letters and then look up the two words carefully. Might help in someone’s search just a little if you have already had Boots on the Ground…

  124. JDA and nmc:

    I believe in the Ockham’s Razor principle in solving the poem clues. Basically, it says that the simplest answer is often correct. The more assumptions you make, the more unlikely your solution is to be correct.

  125. Now tarry scant means wait a little which seems to be the opposite of tarryall but in my opinion there is a reason to get interested in this town. The original name was Tarry Graball and was shortened to tarry all and the original miners grabbed so much there were scant pickings for new comers. Also In 1930, the Colorado Springs Gazette published a different story about the origin of Tarryall. In this story, Tarryall creek was named by a group of prospectors who paused to ‘tarry’ on their journey west to California.

    It is also worth mentioning that he mentioned the smell of pine as being near where the chest is. There is a breed of Pine Tree called Pinus Tarryall

    Don’t go screaming off to the current town of Tarryall though, it is the second town to bear the name. The first town was 29 miles to the northwest and all that is left now is a blaze marker on the side of highway 285 a little to the right of Tarryall Creek

  126. The most important word in that line isn’t tarry, scant, marvel or gaze, but the first word; “but” and “with” The correct interpretation of how those word are being used within the sentence, is the key.

    • Ok, Paul. I will “bite” on that assertion. Are you going to share what you mean? At this point, you would be standing within 12′ of the trove. Please prove your point since 99.999999959% of all bloggers are no where near…Thanks! (Please prove that you are “wise” and serious.)

      • Nothing earth shattering per se, but I believe the choice of of tarry, scant, marvel, and gaze,; all words with very few alternative interpretations, is itself a clue. There are only so many way to read those words- regardless of the mental or linguistic gymnastics one puts these words through (although I know of additional meanings of marvel and gaze which I’ve not seen expressed by anyone).
        What greatly expands these words with limited interpretations are but” and “with”, because they both add nuance to the line depending upon definition used.
        “But” can mean, as examples: “nevertheless”, “and yet”, “still”, “notwithstanding”, “excluding”, “excepting”, “rather”. When these are inserts in place of “but”, each definition adds a slightly different flavor to the line. “But” actually frees up “tarry scant” to the point where you may be physically nowhere near the treasure by that clue.
        FF didn’t take 15 years to write 24 lines (roughly 7 months a line), without wordsmithing it substantially.

        • A man has been within STRIKING distance BUTT so have some women.

          Zero foot club
          Fait Acompli

        • One interesting use of the word “gaze” I ran across was it being used as a synonym for a “pledge” or a “wager”…a “bet”.

          Had to do with a certain man mervylling at a huge daemon exiting a lytle hole in a scant bord and then tricking him back inside to plug the hole to re-imprison him. Got that excerpt stored away on Google Drive somewhere.

          • ’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
            Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
            All mimsy were the borogoves,
            But tarry scant with marvel gaze.

          • I predict that we eventually learn that at this point in the Chase/poem, ff simply wanted to use the line, “but tarry scant with marvel gaze,” and that he creatively made plans to make it applicable and even essential.

          • Why I think “but” and “with” are ultimately more important than the nouns and verbs, is that “but”, can be a negative or a positive- and determining which it is has the potential to modify the interpretation of “with”. Combined with tarry scant/marvel gaze, this can quadruple the amount of interpretations of the line.

          • This is where the “one ” is either going to get the treasure…or walk back where they came from. I believe this could be the defining moment.

    • Hi Paul

      Butt – to strike or shove with the head or horns.

      Scant width meaning small opening.

      A child/tot
      I give you title (to t)he gold

      Fait Acompli

    • Here’s a guy who looked up words… and rebooted, I’ma guessin.

      Sean, try these on for size…. Blazoning… Armorial Bearings.

      • Heraldry quite often uses animals. How those animals are posed must be described on armorial lists. An animal “at gaze” is one of those poses. Yes- marvel is a type of synthetic fabric.

  127. I am new to the chase so maybe some new thoughts would help.
    I asked Dal today if he could meet up with us and retrieve the chest this weekend. Unfortunately he searches alone. My honest opinion and hope it helps change some direction of the conversation is that Forrest is describing the blaze.

    • How is it being described ?
      The path itself.
      An object placed by man or natural.
      A natural feature.
      Something in motion.
      Smaller than a bread box. Larger than a bear
      Does it have a color, red, gold, rust
      Many object creating a scene or depiction
      The poem collective work is a single location, the blaze.

      Need a bit more help to be helpful.

      • We have in my opinion solved the first 8 clues and we are in search of the blaze within a 1 mile area because I don’t think that forest walked more than a mile after parking his car. After watching his many interviews And seeing how he’s a tricky man the tarry scant is either meaning he’s knee deep in scat because he purposely misspells words. Or describing the blaze as a minimal amount of volcanic rock. If you research history then the small amount volcanic rock makes sense and that’s all I say without giving away my location. In our solve clues 5 through 8 can be viewed from one location. That location being the exact spot he parked his sedan. That being said he could also have walked directly to HOB. I am disclosing this information because we are going in to hopefully retrieve the treasure this weekend. If we do not find the treasure we have decided to make two more trips next summer to the location but we will have at least 6 people to spread out and see more area. If we do not find it we will post our solve and let the world know its location and it will be found. We are new to the search with three months under our belt (buckle). We have had boots on the ground to different times but missed the one most important clue and went the wrong direction from HOB. But with further review from my research librarian (I’m uneducated like F so I learned from his stories and got help with research) actually my girlfriend. We found the meaning of “there’ll be no paddle up your creek”
        Now we’re there and will hopefully find the blaze and the treasure. If some already hasn’t…..

        • Trailblazer,
          If the poem tells all, line of thinking… what is the problem with finding the blaze when you have 8 of 9 clues? I would think that the ‘wise’ part eliminates a searching for ‘the blaze’ using six people [ like a grid search method. more eye the better ] and the poem to more precise.

          Just out of curiosity, what size an area is your intended blaze located? and/or How far from the 8th clue is the blaze in your theory?

          • Seeker, I was going to remain silent after my comment but I have seen your name and comments and thought I would reply. The clues seem very to the point and still could be vague but we have definitely found all clues and HOB isn’t a Brown trout, brown goat or Brown dirt. And there is a definite reason why The B is Capitalized. Yesterday through an e mail I told Forrest what house of Brown is and described all the clues to him at the point he stood before leaving his car. We told him we are going in this weekend. It’s not the money for me even though I have none. It’s more that the clues are so easy I’m thinking it’s been found. If I told you anymore, well you walk right up to it. If I don’t find it on the next three trips. You will be informed of its location. Alls I can say is Forrest sent us in the wrong direction early on. I haven’t got a reply from F so maybe no news is good news. Good luck

          • Also seeker if you want to be one of the persons to search next year. We will all have an agreement because really what do you do with a treasure found on US government property especially when the person that hid it is has an FBI investigation ongoing. Do the math…. I think it’s been found….

          • 1trailblazer

            How is it that you have definitely solved all of the clues if you do not know what the blaze is? Do you not consider the blaze to be a clue?

            How could Seeker walk right to the treasure if you cannot do so?

          • Because I will be there this weekend and have an idea of what the blaze is based on (US history). And it will be there in a thousand years. If N Korea or God doesn’t destroy it.

          • I was going to remain silent too…but I think that, “definitely found all of the clues” is outrageously not possible. If it were remotely true…the treasure would be in your hands.
            Good luck on your “next three trips”.

          • Geezzus Tom,
            That’s the closest I have been to the chest! Ya couldn’t let me enjoy that for one lousy day???

  128. Ƨ (minuscule: ƨ) is a letter of the Latin alphabet; depending on the context the letter is used, it is based on the numeral 2 or the Latin letter S.

    S is the last letter of “The Rocky Mountains” on the TFTW map and it happens to fall over the border of New Mexico. If you look. there’s also an S under the nose of the “face” between the borders of Montana and Idaho.

    minuscule Synonyms
    atomic, bitsy, bitty, infinitesimal, itty-bitty (or itsy-bitsy), little bitty, microminiature, microscopic (also microscopical), miniature, tiny, minute, teensy, teensy-weensy, teeny, teeny-weeny, wee, weeny


    Now how does that work with “tarry”? I’m working on it.

    • Hey-O Becky –

      Can I ask what the relationship is between the letter ‘s’ and the word ‘minuscule’?

      How does the letter lead to the word, or the word to the letter?


      • Hiya Jake! Well I can tell you how I came to this point and perhaps that’ll answer your question.
        To begin with I had been seeing things on the GE/GM, in my searching and poem affixing, that looked like letters. So for the heck of it I started researching those specific letters and found that letters are attached to symbols. Symbolism has been what I’ve been running with from the early stages of my involvement.
        That being said, I’m not linear at all…nothing I do is linear or orderly >.< I'm a mess…but I digress.
        There's a specific location I had found that had T and a backwards S together. That reminded me of Forrest's TS Elliot quote. Then I found another location not far from there that had a backwards S. I had never heard of the "minuscule" symbol before until I looked up "backwards S".
        Instantly I thought "Well miniscule is tiny, right? Scant is small or tiny…scant starts with S. Well shoot, there's a maybe right there."
        There's more to be said but I'd like to ask a question. If superman is DC comics does that concept still count as a possible marvel gaze? Just one of many rambling thoughts.

        • Also, adversely, I have a Wonder Woman theory.
          At Mysterious Writings there’s a Q&A called “Walk Away” where Forrest uses the words “atomic” and “injustice”…does that mean walk away from these hints or walk away with the chest or neither?

  129. Some have suggested that tarry scant could refer to a darkened something (stone). But it could be also that tarry scant suggests the something is lighter in color than its local environment. If the words refer to the blaze, I believe Fenn may have supported the idea that it (the blaze) may be white. IMO, if you have been wise and found the blaze, it will be a ‘Eureka!’ moment in terms of understanding the line BTSWMG, even though you still may not have the treasure chest in your sights. In other words, go where the blaze tells you to go, and you will look quickly everywhere because you’ll think you’ve figured it all out. You won’t want to tarry for one scant because you can’t wait to get your BOTG.

  130. Dear Mr. Trail blazer……………..I’ll take the bait.

    Please explain either-…….
    1. ever drawing nigh or
    2. look quickly down….or
    3. but tarry scant

    Explain the meaning to just one of these… Don’t worry, it is very difficult to find without figuring out all three. So throw us a bone…explain even one of them. I disagree, things get more difficult and complex as you work through the poem. IMO

    • These are the 3 phrases that are the hardest to me. The meaning of the word ‘but’ before tarry scant can be tricky.

      • but
        used to introduce something contrasting with what has already been mentioned.
        used to indicate the impossibility of anything other than what is being stated.
        used to introduce a response expressing a feeling such as surprise or anger.
        used after an expression of apology for what one is about to say.
        without its being the case that.
        except; apart from; other than.
        no more than; only.
        an argument against something; an objection.

        BUT tarry scant with marvel gaze.
        Maybe that’s part of the cold? Hmm.

        • Thanks Becky. Cold is an interesting twist. That line and the next always seemed a little somber for someone that has just found the treasure. If he hadn’t used ‘tarry scant’ I wouldn’t think much of it, it’s such an odd phrase. Wonder if he is he drawing attention to that line?

  131. Much like everyone else, the deputy and I have tried to keep mr.f in the loop. Below is the email I sent him yesterday. Can anyone make out what the boys wrote to f? It would be good to know.
    Luck of the Irish to all…

    To: forrestfenn
    Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 11:11 am

    Dear Sir:

    I was getting bored with Dal’s blog. There doesn’t much good info there and so I threw out some tidbits. Wow! Some of those people are ruthless. (No good deed goes unpunished) Never the less, the “boys” at home have asked me to forward you a letter. I don’t know how you are going to read it, since I can’t make heads or tails of it. They promised me it doesn’t contain any secret info.

    Best regards to you and your family;

    Sherif Billy and Deputy Katie

    Fàilte Sir:

    Tha sinn airson innse dhut gu bheil Sherif Uilleam agus Deps Ceitidh gu math faisg air a bhith a ‘lorg a’ phoit òir aig deireadh an “bow-froise”. Fhuair iad an cnoc agus an t-allt far an do dh’fholaich thu anns a ‘choille. Tha iad gu math sgileil. Tha na leprechauns eile, gnomes agus chan eil mi a ‘smaoineachadh gu bheil sinn comasach air mòran eile foill. Bidh iad a ‘cunntadh nuair a lorgas iad na rudan luachmhor agad. Tha iad den bheachd gu bheil iad airidh air an òr a lorg oir tha an sloinneadh aca Schaetzel a ‘ciallachadh “gràdh beag”, “leannan”, no “cruinneachadh de rudan luachmhor”. Tha iad faisg air an sin, gluais an òr agad agus cha bhith thu ga chall!

    Do sheirbhisich;

    Domhnall, Liam agus Maeliosa

    • I had to ask the ghost of Billy Barty. He said this is what it means:

      Welcome Sir:

      We want to tell you that Sherif William and Katie Deps are pretty close to finding the gold pot at the end of the “bow-froise”. They found the hill and the stream where you hid in the woods. They are very skilled. The other leprechauns, gnomes and I do not think we are capable of a lot more fraud. They count when they find your valuable things. They think they are worthy to find the gold because their surname Schaetzel means “little love”, “sweetheart”, or “a collection of valuable things”. They’re close there, move your gold and you will not miss it!

      Your servants;

      Domhnall, Liam and Maeliosa

      • Please thank the ghost of Billy Barty for me. That helps me a lot and I will not trust the suggestions the “boys make anymore”. It was silly of me to trust them in the first place ,…but it seemed we were getting along so well.

        Well then….Could you ask Mr. Barty what nigh means? If we figure that out, the place will be crawlin…….like they say where I am from…..”like flies on a turd”

        Best regards to all

      • Sheriff Billy,

        Are you a logical thinker and an abstract thinker?

        Just curious 🙂 retired investigator here


        • Mr. Charlie—
          I have dyslexia which makes me think much differently than all but a very few. I guess that makes me abstract.

          Best regards

          • Sheriff Billy,

            It wouldn’t be fair if I didn’t tell you the way I think, logical and abstract, sometimes imaginary to get perception


  132. Good evening seeker and S billy. I know you think that I am crazy which more then likely I am because I’m in full stride with this FF poem. I know it sounds impossible that we could have in our opinion all the clues solved. Took 3 months of pain staking review of everything said that we feel is true. I wish my self that I didn’t have all those clues in front of me in one spot. Because it makes me feel that the treasure had to be found. We can visualize what clues 4 through 8 are from our spot below HOB and HOB is not brown trout Grizzlies brown goats brown trees brown dirt or the brown hair on a squirrel. I would love to disclose the rest of our solve but you would be there tomorrow or tonight with a flashlight. If we don’t find the treasure in this trip, then next summer we will make two trips into the area, with reinforcement. I will spend 6 days between the two trips and search every spot within the 1/2 mile area we think it’s in and if we don’t find it we will disclose our solve and at that point you will believe the clues are correct and you and every other searcher will be at that spot. I don’t think there can be another place in existence with all the same resolve. But…….

    • The Deputy and I have made about 30 odd trips to the locale where we captured the “boys” all within the last 8 months. 20 of those times we were sure we were going to find it.

      Now we are absolutely sure we know were it is. We are not worried anyone soon will find it. Please prove me wrong….

      Just curious do you think it is by the chair on the map the “boys” drew?

      Good luck it will be worth the cold!

  133. Also we did our research mostly with BOTG. Went in two times this summer but found other solid clues after the fact, telling us we went in the wrong direction.

  134. Did you go West instead of North? I’m down to a quarter mile square North but it was what I found West that revealed the location to the North. Just curious if you encountered similar scenerio…

    • If you are at HOB the next clues would give you direction. I can’t give you which direction that we went wrong because if you have HOB I would be giving you your location.

  135. Deputy I sure hope you got it, one of us maybe does. The only thing is you said 8 months. The location we are in, you cannot access at that time of year. Was your search in March or April?

  136. Going to wait to search, could be bad weather this weekend where we are going…Safety first (taking FF’s advice on safety) but its waiting for us.

    • TrailBLAZER! Man-up. Can’t you see that we are all counting on you to put an end to this search madness? I know that it is “cold” and one could say “windy” (if you took your hat off). Just leave your mittens on and blaze, Blaze, BLAZE!

      This crazy search has gone so long that you are not likely to run into -anybody- who is looking in the same area as you. Yet if you do…and they go by the name Deputy…be sure to tell him that, “Aunt Bea wants her bullet back!”

      Now GO. And be SAFE! But if it is dangerous, then DON’T (because f wants you to be safe – above all).

      (HINT: The “chair” is under the Deputy’s behind. That may be contusing but it IS, TRUE).

      • Inm
        Thanks for the push. We’re in the rookies now. Going to search tomorrow morning. Can someone tell me if FF said something about 20 miles. I’m going to throw out a bone as someone has asked for one. Only because finding the stack was easy in our opinion. But we’re having a heck of time finding that needle. Canyon down is up

  137. Just noticed Tarryall, reservior and creek, in Colorado. I wonder if there’s connection to hear me all?

  138. I have decided unless I see otherwise that tarry scant is greasewood or whatever else that nasty plant is called. The native Americans used it to make arrows too. Of course it grows everywhere….

    • Amanda

      This is one of the best ideas I have ever read here.

      So much of the poem can be related to the playas. Where Warm Water Halts but then at times is Water High. Etc.

      Really great thinking.


  139. Thanks It has taken awhile for me to get the hang of it. I have a crazy solve. Hope I can go this summer. Might take the grandson to help me up the mountain. Not too far to drive from okla
    . The most difficult part of this is to determine the difference between solving the puzzle and not forcing the clues to fit just because you want them to.

  140. This is how I put it together:

    I go along with tarry being tar-like and
    scant being a quarried slab of stone.
    “But” could mean “except for.”
    Marvel gaze – every time I read that poem out loud,
    I end up saying marble glaze (like butterflies and flutterbys).
    Marble glaze made me think of the end product of quarried slabs.

    I also liked the mention of such a slab as a grave marker. “My” area used to have a quarry (tho it’s not the quarry that I seek) that supplied many of the grave markers for the cemetery in a nearby town. FF mentioned in a scrapbook his bathroom tiles and imagined things in the marbled patterns. He also talked a lot about marbles, hint, hint?

    If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
    look quickly down, your quest to cease,
    except for the slab of stone with dark marbled glaze
    that initially obstructs your view.
    But either doesn’t have to be moved to get to the TC or is not so heavy that it can’t be lifted (per safety first advice).

    Respectfully submitted…

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