Scrapbook Forty Nine…





It’s blustery outside and my wife has gone grocery shopping so I decided to revisit a fun time I had when I was a kid. My mom let me smell the different spices and herbs as she stirred them into recipes she was making. I enjoyed the interaction with my mom, and the wrinkles in my nose indicated to her how much I liked or disliked each aroma.

Just so you’ll know the difference, spices are dried seed, root, fruit, bark or vegetable substances. Herbs are seeds, roots, leaves, flowers, resin, and berries. OK?

So I removed my wife’s metal spice drawer from the cabinet. It was heavy so I rested it on our kitchen table. When I sat and pulled the drawer toward me something sharp on the bottom scraped a gash on the wooden tabletop. I’ll try to fix it with wax before my wife gets home. I hate those things when they happen and I can’t blame them on my dog.


There were 72 bottles in the drawer, each about 4” long and generally round. I read the labels and sniffed the contents of each jar. Then I stuck my finger in each spice to taste the flavor. It’s funny how some smells are so different from the way they taste. If you don’t believe me, just go in the pantry and smell your vanilla. You’ll love it enough to take another whiff, but don’t take a taste, and that’s fair warning.

I quickly learned that some spices smell like others so I don’t know why a cook needs so many different kinds. Most didn’t make much of an impression but here are some notes and observations about those that did.

Turkish Ground Cumin
“Use on Middle Eastern & Mexican dishes.”  They say it’s a must but it doesn’t do much for me. If I ever try any Middle Eastern dishes I probably won’t like them. I love Mexican food but I’m not going to put this stuff on my enchiladas.

ClovesIMG_0584 Smells bizarre and strong. The taste has a bite that comes with a lasting sting. It took three seconds to feel the full impact of the flavor on my tongue. It was terrible. I felt jaundiced and had to suck on an ice cube. Stay away from cloves – that’s my advice. Are you sure it’s something to eat and not some kind of disinfectant?

The label is supposed to say what it is but it doesn’t so I don’t trust it completely. I think you put it on spaghetti, but maybe not. Some herb makes spaghetti sauce good though. Oregano has a bitter taste and it numbed my tongue a little. I know it’s used on pizza. I like pizza if it has pepperoni, cheese, bell peppers, onions, anchovies and oregano on it.

Poppy Seeds
“Ancient civilizations used them to add color and texture to food.” Yeah, I know what’s made out of  poppy seeds and it doesn’t need color or texture. It might be embarrassing to have this little jar in my house if the drug enforcement guys come nosing around. I’ll speak with my wife about it.

It’s smell is stronger than it’s taste. Makes me suspicious. “Use on puddings and spinach,” it says. I think the person who wrote that may have been sniffing poppy seeds. It says mace grows on the same tree with nutmeg and it tastes warm. OK, I like things that taste warm.

Garlic Powder
When I unscrewed the lid, fine white powder spilled all over my lap. It smelled like something that might rust the lid. I don’t like garlic unless it’s on toasted bread and I’m eating spaghetti. It’s fun to grow garlic in my garden because it’s educational to watch.

Another jar. Why would anyone want two full jars of cloves?


Anise Seeds
These are cute little gray seeds but hard to bite. They taste like liquorice. The label says something about pastries but is faded and I couldn’t read more. It’s probably okay. When I was a kid people tried to give me soft sticks of liquorice. They came in black and an ugly red/maroon color. Maybe that’s why I didn’t like liquorice then. I probably still don’t.

I can’t tell if I like it or not. It’s the “Ground dried pod of the sweet chili pepper.” That’s what the label says and I really don’t care one way or the other. “Mix lemon juice, celery, crab and mayonnaise together and spoon into hollowed tomatoes, or use as a sandwich spread.” Sounds like something they serve in expensive restaurants. Not for me, but thanks anyway.

“A dash awakens dips, soups, salads, sauces and entrees.” Awakens? (maybe that’s a typo) I used to like a little cayenne pepper on Texas chili but haven’t tried it in a while. Maybe I should stop reading the labels.

Lemon Pepper
It’s made of ground lemon peel and “hardy coarse-ground pepper.” I absolutely love it on grilled steaks and hamburgers. They say it has Riboflavin in it for color. I can’t imagine why anyone would want to add color to a hamburger. Sometimes I sprinkle a little Lemon Pepper on my arm and lick it. All of my grandkids think I’m weird, except maybe little Piper.

It’s made from the berry of an evergreen tree but it smells a little like cloves. I don’t dare taste it. When the label suggested that I put it on squash that was enough for me. I screwed the green lid back on that jar and hid it on the bottom of the pile. I wonder if my neighbor would like to have it.

Ground Turmeric
“Belongs to the ginger family.” I don’t want to talk about it. The label doesn’t say what it is but something in there is dead. Google says it’s active ingredient is curcumin and it’s used to treat cancer. You probably need a prescription to buy it. I’m throwing this stuff out fast. I think I need to speak with my wife again.

Pickling Spice
“Use with boiling beets, sour beef, pickling and cabbage.” I just don’t know what to say. I’ll bet someone’s making a fortune with these things.

Ground Cardamom
This one is pungent. “You can add it to hamburgers and espresso.” I would never use it on both. I use onions when I want pungent and I don’t drink espresso. It’s a drink for girls.

You should sprinkle it on the charcoal just before you start grilling the chicken. That’s an herb? I don’t like it because it reminds me of a girl I once knew. She threw rocks at me one day when I was walking home from school and I never forgot it. Heck with her.

This one has a funny name and a routine aroma. “It is the essence of French cooking and is used as a background flavor.” Background flavor? What does that mean? “It’s good with creamed onions” I don’t like creamed onions. In fact, I don’t like French cooking and I feel better having said that. I think the French believe they invented food. “Thyme was the symbol of courage in ancient Greece.” Now I remember why I’m not a chef.

Celery Salt
Very salty and tastes like celery. I like both so I guess it’s OK. The Indians may have used it to help tan skins.

Whole Nutmegs
They look like small pecans before you take the hulls off. Not much smell. You’re supposed to grate them on top of hot chocolate and things like that. I may try it later tonight. It will impress my wife if she doesn’t look closely at her kitchen table top.

Bay Leaves
These smell good. They look like plain old leaves to me, are about 3” long and crisp to the bite. They are hand gathered from bay laurel trees and “carefully dried to insure superior quality.” I wonder why they have to be careful, they’re just leaves. You’re supposed to cook them in soups and other things but remove them before you serve the dish. I would sure hope so. They must grow near water.

Why does my wife have three bottles of cloves?

IMG_0581Arrowroot Powder
“Easily digested – may be substituted for cornstarch.” If that’s true then why would anyone buy cornstarch, which is more expensive? I think this spice company should be investigated.

My favorites are Lemon Pepper and Ground Saigon Cinnamon. I don’t remember any of these spices from when I was a kid. Maybe I’ll just stick with sea salt, black pepper and Tabasco.

I hear my wife pulling into the garage so I need to hurry and get the wax. I wonder if she bought another jar of cloves. ff





205 thoughts on “Scrapbook Forty Nine…

    • It must be in the cloves. I think they grow cloves in New Mexico. So the chest must be hidden in New Mexico…probably Clovis…

        • Stephanie-
          Clovis is the clove capital of the world. Last year over 267 trillion tons of clovis cloves were shipped out to 415 countries and the international space station. In spite of the fact that there is no practical use for cloves and in spite of the fact that cloves have a negative nutritional value they remain the largest trade item on the Chicago Commodities Exchange generating some 13 trillion dollars in annual taxes for Clovis. Few people realize that Clovis is the second wealthiest city in the world just behind Dubai. Three years ago the entire city was encapsulated in a large polyhedron dome that keeps the town completely free from outside weather influences. There is no snow in Clovis.

          • Does anyone else find it strikingly interesting that Dal knows so much about Cloves and Clovis NM and the Chicago Exchange(I think he’s been following me)? Things that make you go hmmmm.

          • Thanks for all that information on Clovis NM Dal. I bet they could pay off the national debt all by themselves with the profits from their clove exports! I wonder if I could get one of those polyhedron domes just big enough for my yard – that shouldn’t be too expensive should it? 🙂

          • CJ-
            I understand the company that builds the domes sells them in petite, small, medium, large and extra grande sizes. I believe the Clovis dome was medium or large…so maybe the petite would be right for you.

          • I heard that Stephen King’s novel – “Under the Dome” – was based on Clovis and its population. King changed the setting to a fictitious small town in Maine in order to avoid law suits from the many billionaires in Clovis.

          • Rofl, I am so glad to hear so much goes on in Clovis.
            Who knew? They may have to elect Dal mayor for all he is doing for their reputation.

      • Or is this a clue that the blaze is something scratched/carved into a flat wooden surface – scant? 😉 Just love the way Forrest describes his thoughts, ideas and experiences as he writes. Something must have sparked memories of his mothers cooking and the experiences he had with her to make him pull out that drawer and relive a little of that. Thank you Forrest for sharing this fun with us!

    • I think the bronze chest might fit nicely in that drawer, based on my estimated dimensions from the numbers Forrest gives. Or is it a formula for the Golden Ratio?

  1. I have most all of these too, I use my Lemon Pepper and Chili Powder the most. I think I know why Peggy has so much cloves, ME TOO….because You don’t use them very much and they stick around. along time. I have a secret use for cloves. They are strong and can be used in Potpouri and spice things…..I am always running out of lemon pepper, but not cloves.

    • Maybe she makes oh heck how do you spell it…potpourri? Would be a scent found in it.

      I add whole cloves and cinnamon stick to boiling water that I will make tea out of for sore throats. Cloves numb, and cinnamon is an antiseptic. Just add some tea bags and some orange juice for a throat soothing drink.There you go another use for cloves.

  2. I have a suggestion for all the cloves! There is a game they used to play in the medieval re-enactors groups. You take an orange and stud it all over with the whole cloves by pushing them into the rind. In a gathering of lovely ladies and gentlemen, the fruit gets passed around. If a gentleman offers the fruit to a lady and she removes a clove from the fruit with her hand, he kisses her on the hand. If she chooses to nibble a clove free with her mouth, the gentleman gets a kiss on the mouth. See? They have a purpose after all!

  3. My mom had a spice cabinet that would blow your socks off! As kids we pretended we were mad scientists and these were our special potions and chemicals. I think we actually may have harmed ourselves with some of it.The dog always hid somewhere.The Christmas ham always had cloves stuck all over.They are even worse after incineration!

  4. My mom would use stick cloves in her hams too. I believe that she also glazed them. She probably got the recipe from her German mother. Her hams were delicious, you just had to remove the cloves before eating. I haven’t had as tasty a ham since. The hams are probably different now days than they were then. Different feed and all.

  5. Hidden in the back columns of spices is the spice that is a true clue to ff’s treasure location, and its not ground Rocky Mountain oysters.

  6. “It’s fun to grow garlic in my garden because it’s educational to watch.”
    Garlic grows underground. Is that the clue?
    The cloves are a clue that do fit into my solve, but I can’t elaborate on that yet.
    Good luck to all.

    • Garlic comes in “cloves”.

      Looking up cloves….
      the dried flower bud of a tropical tree, used as a pungent aromatic spice.

      I think the Rocky Mountains wasn’t useful and it’s really in Hawaii!!!! I figured it out, I figured it out….

  7. So, Forrest tasted spices. When he went shopping at Kaune’s, he bought horseradish, Tabasco and pepperoni (to name a few) – spicy things. Is spicy/spices the hint or am I just trying to dig too deep?

    • Hi Misty, from his comments, ff doesn’t seem to care for most spices. If you are looking for a hint, you might want to stick with his favorites, Lemon Pepper and Ground Saigon Cinnamon. As for spicy, ff seems to prefer sandwiches, which usually aren’t very spicy. Digging too deep has been the way of the Chase. I personally feel that the Chase should be kept simple, but most others don’t agree.

      • Oh Ya, keeping it simple is paramount to solving this thing. Cyphers, spices, postmarks and such will get you nowhere. As f points out repeatedly, everything you need to walk right up to the chest without any guess work is spelled out in the poem in plain and simple language that says what it means. PERIOD!
        The hardest mental thing to avoid with all this is the over thinking problem.

  8. Did anyone else notice that his two favorites are heavy-hitting aphrodesiacs? Cinnamon oil and black pepper – ancient Egypt, I think.
    Most men like things that taste warm. 😀

  9. I’m not very smart…and I’m prob The last to get It…if its even close but here It goes…I typed in….Now if I get even close here…I’ll need a hug…okay….I typed in 72 deg and 4′ and The Garium 4 inch hand held Gps gizmo appeared for 72 bucks.
    I guess The only way nine clues on a map could be Or can be precise is by using GPS.
    If this is then true and I’m not saying it is…
    Then Maybe The nine clues aren’t a map but a diagram.
    Maybe we Have been given clues to locations..landmarks…using These locations precise GPS we could triangulate thru GPS an exact location of a treasure.
    Similar to a wheel and its spokes…Or a star….Or a cross
    Yes I like The cross….
    Now saying this might be correct in theory…where Would we start…Santa Fe…Or using GPS 300 miles west of Toledo and 8.25 n of Santa Fe…Or angel fire?
    Yes we could start perhaps at The veterans monument.
    Idk…Farmington to folsom….not piles peak but somwhere to santafe….but The cross has 8 points and a center starting point…
    Also I’m thinking A. To be is equal to 110 miles…could be eleven.
    I’ll try It and come right back!

    • i think you are on the right track here Mark

      the key is to find the right area where the landmarks are. maybe having the right WWH will help with that

  10. Okay The rantings of a mad man!
    Using GPS to precisely find nine clues…
    as a map..from one spot to The next The distances could be anything…random.
    but to draw a star Or cross Or any diagram on a map will require an exact distance.
    If we chose a cross…and I Have no clue!!! The cross Would Have 8 points and a center point to start from. to stay in New Mexico and and north of Santa Fe… The cross’s estimated distance to each points might be michelles to far to walk Or 24 not nauticle miles…which might put one of The points in Taos which is appro 96 miles from his desert.
    True too..the cross (Just an idea) could be bigger Or smaller.
    Again All talk.
    Why 72 jars 4 inches?

    I forgot chilli spice is warm…for Christmas???
    No Monkey n atound!

    • Hey Mark, that reminds me of an earlier idea I had. was thinking that “it” would require 8 dots to connect the lines…if there are 9 clues, would leave one left over which could be the sweet spot!

      • I’m working on something new now…did you get the whole imagination is more important than knowledge…in his book? You know, it’s better to think than to allege…So, I’m applying that to his poem.

        • Something like…
          As I have gone alone in there and with my treasure bold,…
          I have gone lone n the sea air, AND
          My wit sure and heart bold…

          • All that speculation about clues is cool, but all you need to walk right up to the treasure with no guess work about it is the poem. Forrest has said this over and over again. Concentrate on the poem.

  11. I think Many of The players Have suggested spots such as The ghost ranch red river post off etc.
    Once we get a few coordinates on The map to start forming a picture The rest should fall in place…I think….who’s in aviation…I’m so dumb I should take this over to The aviation school at SIU.
    Anyhow this is as good as anything else I’ve come up with…smiles
    Mark H.

  12. Maybe Mark should of said draw a kitty cat instead of a cross…to quote Ross Perot….”can anybody hear me?”

  13. dal -ff never stops to amaze me the way he is taunting us he did it with the bowl of pimiento and the sandwich and now this he is giving us a clue or clues and he is having fun with us for not grasping what he is telling us all this clues are rolled in to one thing and believe me or not this clue or clues are also in the poem

    • Frank-
      I think Forrest is just sharing fun…
      I don’t think there are any clues in any of this stuff in his scrapbook…
      And I don’t think he is sitting around at his home laughing at us either…
      He enjoys the search and he enjoys the camaraderie of the searchers..
      Every once in a while he likes to share his humor with us…
      and have a presence…
      I really think that’s all there is to it..

      • You are absolutely right. This thing where people look for a clue in everything f says is just plain silly. He has been more than generous with real additional clues
        and I am sure he does not have a taunting bone in his body. He has been extremely clear about what it takes to solve the search and folks who want to jump at all these weird threads may be enjoying a nice mental exercise but they will get nowhere with the real deal.

  14. I think there are clues in his blogs. I hope I can prove it some day! To say what the clues are, would make my solve obvious. 🙂
    Best of luck to all.

    • Perhaps I should have called them “hints” instead of clues. I found my spot with just the poem. I actually wish I had the book before I made my last search trip. There are hints all through TTOTC and his blogs that give “hints” to the spot. Just my opinion. 🙂

      • Luckydog – I read something about a dream another searcher had on Forrest’s blog about a black, hairy dog. It reminded me of a scene in the series “Da Vinci’s Demons”, where Da Vinci is discussing potential symbols with his subject, Lucretia Donati. He mentions that a black dog symbolizes loyalty. Canis Major is a dog reference too, and looking for the treasure during the dog days of summer might be best. Forrest’s birthday falls during this would be nice to bring him a present 🙂

    • Good luck Dog. I agree with you about the hints. Some are subtle. Some are outright and straightforward. That is what I believe to be the truth. So far its working for me. Always having fun *smile*

  15. Again we are tethered…we are All working hard…all ideas are worth looking at. Plz dont be telling me this is simple again unless You Have The box.
    If It Was simple my ex wife Would of already found It.

    Hi Michelle…I look forward to hearing your next solve.

    One more time…F said 72 jars 4 inches…I typed in 72 deg and 4min…..a Garium (sp) handheld 4 inch GPS gizmo pops up.
    Based on this…The schools teaching GPS…The BSA meirt badge…and f being a pilot…using GPS makes sense…

    Now I’m thinking…If its one spot to The next…how do we know The distance…(ask Toby). It could be random.
    However…If we are drawing a diagram…ie a star, an ant, a wheel on The map then The distance…Just saying is specific…precise!

    If its a picture on a map…Or a trail…then plotting The GPS COORDINATES will be key.

    And of course I could be way off…but I’m trying!

  16. I didn’t mean to get anyone upset with my comment taunting was meant in a nice way I also didn’t know that trying to help each other talking about the poem was silly but ill just take it as that and move on best of luck

  17. I can complicate It I guess…which map…how to measure a distance…an antique map is not far fetched…
    Also converting measurements is interesting…When I draw a blueprint for houses….a quarter inch equals a foot…we do this to keep The drwing on paper…an inch representing a foot Would make my blueprint huge…thus.
    A maps measurement must be reduced…an inch to milimeters Or smaller…

    I know this is confusing…
    But pilots Have to fill out flight plans…I imagine f had fun with this.

  18. Ya sha wa….ya ta hey.
    I listened to All You Have said…I’m not so smart though…I’d like to watch that show You spoke of…Maybe bring a sandwich and a flash…well You get It….smiles…..
    Could You help me out ? where Would I watch from…
    Mark H.

  19. I see several obvious clues in this story, and I haven’t seen any mention of them yet. Perhaps people are keeping to themselves on this – probably wise.

    Now that I see such important clues in this story, I need to re-read all these scrapbook entries – Fenn is definitely speaking to us with these stories IMHO.

  20. So, if Ground Saigon Cinnamon is his favorite, why didn’t he describe that one to us too? In my opinion, it confirms what I have thought all along….the treasure is not in NM or Montana. I think he may have thrown the 72 bottles/each 4″ tall in there to throw off the people that are playing the numbers game. I think the message here is that he hasn’t told us all of his favorite spots. Just my theory.

      • Cinnamon and pepper both happen to be words with double letters, just like his name.
        And his dad’s.
        And mom’s.
        And skippy.

        And his wife.

        And no less than 13 of the words in his poem …,

        Cypher enthusiasts & Code theorists: go!

        • The One that has been missing is fenn-el = get it, Fenn? Fennel is everything; herb qualities include fronds and root. Spice aspects include dried fennel seeds. It tastes like anise and is used by Italians in cooking. Stalks look like celery. Made me think of Cow Parsnip vs. Hemlock and how important it is to know the difference if you are eating them while trying to survive “alone in there” if you don’t have a compass or lost your lamp. Dollar- bill was probably thinking of using Hemlock to poison ff’s trout at his fishing hole. Didn’t the Indians use Cattails for something too? They grow at the edge of the water, don’t they? Also, evergreens seem to be an important ingredient for herb and spice production. Another reason to stop cutting down trees. I think Sea Salt is a pretty Team Pink color..especially Himalayan Sea Salt. White Bark Pine trees have good pine nuts (seeds from the cone) that are important for Grizzes and many other creatures. Are pine needles leaves? Spruce tea would then be herb tea..also good for survival. Is pine tar resin an herb? Don’t get me started..”ya know”?

          • Fennel = marathon = 42 km = 42 lbs.

            Fennel is one of the 9 herbs held sacred by Anglo-Saxons, which includes stinging nettle. That nasty stuff is abundant on Dot Island in Yellowstone Lake and will definitely raise bumps on one’s skin.

  21. Hello smitty.
    My head hurts…your taunting me is fun….
    The other day I think You said You were involved in a hunt That Was a close finish?…Was time of The essence in That hunt…a race….Or Was It slow and steady?

    • Mark, you have almost convinced me into “putting the pedal to the medal”. If you could direct me to some free downloadable historic Yellowstone maps (that would have been around during the Fenn’s summer trips to Yellowstone) it would go a long way towards my complete conversion to the “wham, bam, thank you ma’am” philosophy. Looking forward to becoming a full fledged “fast & furious” team member. My handle could be “Speedy Gonzales” if you haven’t already claimed it for yourself.

      lol, just a little “quick” humor at the end of the day, oops, beginning of a new day here. Although, I am serious about wanting links to any free historic Yellowstone maps from the 40’s and 50’s.

      • Oops again. Was too early in the morning. I am glad that I beat you to medal = metal. You snooze, you lose.

  22. Oh ya…I forgot to ask how You are…rude…Srry.
    The lady of The house has said I needed to practice better manners.
    I’m wondering What kind of hunt That Was map? Was It with GPS?
    Just wonder n?
    Mark H.

    • Psh: its the internet; manners don’t exist here. 😉
      I’ve been involved in a number of other treasure hunts, (though i’m much too scattered to ever claim the title ‘professional treasure hunter’ ) I prefer book-based and poem based, but I also had a team working on a contest where we were trying to find items across a city (scavenger hunt style), and picture based are dang fun too. You should look up these key words in a search engine if you want more details about real life treasure hunts (a couple of these I’ve been a hunter on, and i’ve done the last several years of the ECS). 1. Golden Eagle, 2. Scroll Quest 3. A Treasure’s Trove 4. Emerald City Search 5. Treasure : in search of the golden horse. 6. Masquerade (or the modern game based on it: Menagerie.) 7. The Clock Without A Face book. 8. CPRnation AED search
      ! 9. Then there’s Zoe & Kelly’s dad and his crazy hunt 😉

      10. while not reward based, I’ve loved the national bohemian bottlecap puzzles for 3 or 4 decades now. 🙂

      These are just a few!!

      One of my heroes is Heinrich Schliemann – the guy who took a “fictional” poem story and used it to find an entire city of rich artifacts: proving a myth was actually real history!

  23. Yes Troy is cool…The masquerade ended bad with his girlfriend Or something I thought.

    I do enjoy The stories more than The hunt.
    Sir my questions are a pain but I don’t mean to be one!

    Do You think I should be diligent in this….Or are slow and steady?

    Have You played Or hunted using GPS…could this be plausible in this case?

    Lastly (Srry), I Have looked at your FF …LL…PP…and I am reminded of how books are cataloged in lib…we no longer use The Dewey Decimal System. Is this What your suuggesting ?

    Again Srry map…redneck w/a truck…smiles.
    Mark H.

    • Tried geocaching. Several times, with enthusiastic friends a few times too. Isn’t my thing. I don’t care for GPS based hunts – they take the challenge out of it, in my opinion.

      And I think there’s a less than zero chance that FF would utilize any clue/hint/poem that would need GPS or GPS coordinates , considering he’s said in a handful of interviews that his motivation behind the hunt is to get people away from their screens/games/iPhones, unplug, and go get themselves in nature. GPS or even including long/lat lines would be counterproductive to that approach.
      Compass points / degrees, on the other hand, would be right up the correct alley, so I think they’re ‘on the table’ as far as number-based possibilities.
      Dewey is possible, but I wasn’t thinking of that. Just was noting there’s a pattern of repetition, which is itself a repetition. In one lifetime, I’d suppose a man thinks about no other word more/longer than his own name.

  24. Dollarbill…Washington….libraries Have old maps…especially larger libraries on universities…

    • Thanks but no thanks. My armchair and I have grown into a cohesive unit. Back to being a snail dodging the salt.

    • This man almost never thinks of his own name. It’s boring. I don’t
      believe that GPS or using math numbers will help solve the poem. As always, IMO.

    • If a paper map is old enough, it might take on a yellow tone.


  25. I hear You $bill…not many folks go to The library anymore with everthing digitized…
    Thank You map.
    Hi Stephanie …The weather scares The cra§¢§₩§ out me…
    Mark H.

    • I’m not crazy enough to go into the mountains during the snow. I’ve heard three stories that could have gone real wrong during winter searching….I need to look where there’s no snow….even if I can only get 75% of the poem to work in some way…it might be worth a look if it’s sunny and warm.

  26. Hey Forrest–what’s up with the hair? I thought your cowlick was on top?……by the way, your next books just kinda righten itself, huh?…..LOL….*this is when Forrest chokes Maverick*

    • I have the theme song to “Top Gun” running through my head because of your screen name, Maverick! Was his wingman’s name Goofy? Oh no, it was Goose, right? I think of this movie when I picture Forrest’s F-100 flying in for the final approach.

  27. Forrest, that is a whole lot of seasonings. Does your wife have to have that many bottles? I like your expression holding the cloves.

    • Always fascinates me when returning to the Flyers “Sweet Fragrances” Scrapbook! (Always something new to learn).

      Interesting to note his comment about the Allspice: “Screwed the green lid back on the jar and hid it on the bottom of the pile.”

      Saigon Cinnamon, (The trees of this species are a closer relative of “Cassia.” ( Isn’t Cassiopeia his favorite constellation?)

      THREE jars of cloves? I conquer with 42 on this one, and also with several of the Searchers interpretations.

      A note about “Turmeric”……
      Cur cumin is an extracted component of Turmeric which I have some personal knowledge about.

      BTW… anyone figure out what the Flyer meant when he made the comment about “Pickling Spice?”

      In a pickle trying to figure that one out.

      I know, I know. lol


      • Pickling spixe is just what it says,used to make pickles and pickled beets,some is used in corned brisket.

  28. Maybe we searchers are missing the obvious. What if ff wants us to look at the photo and simply make observations. 1. Two bottles stand out of his composition: bottom row, lemon pepper has the only yellow/gold lid. So perhaps the gold is somewhere related to the words lemon pepper. 2. Third row “mace” is highlighted by a reflective white blaze in the shape of the cross. Perhaps the blaze is light, white, or a cross. The word ace coupled with m is important. 3. Multiple cloves (3) may indicated 3 separated solutions melded. Just some thoughts on an early scrapbook after letting my elk stew simmer for 3 years.

  29. I like my Pimento sandwitches sun warmed to add a little sweetness and covered in Cheeze-Its and lyhs when the Autumn leaves foliage isn’t quite doing the trick.

    Here’s two interesting whiffs of this piece….(I can’t put ALL the recipe cards on the table)

    spice (n.)
    c. 1200, “something added to food or drink to enhance the flavor, vegetable substance aromatic or pungent to the taste,” also “a spice used as a medication or an alchemical ingredient,” from Old French espice (Modern French épice), from Late Latin species (plural) “spices, goods, wares,” in classical Latin “kind, sort” (see species). From c. 1300 as “an aromatic spice,” also “spices as commodities;” from early 14c. as “a spice-bearing plant.” Figurative sense of “attractive or enjoyable variation” is from 13c.; that of “slight touch or trace of something” is recorded from 1530s. Meaning “specimen, sample” is from 1790. Early druggists recognized four “types” of spices: saffron, clove, cinnamon, nutmeg.

    allspice (n.)
    spice made from the berry of the Jamaican pimento, 1620s, from all + spice (n.), “so called because supposed to combine the flavour of cinnamon, nutmeg, and cloves” [Weekley].

    Good thing he forgot berry. He coulda mixed it up with a CAPER.

    I’d love ask what happened to the Saffron but he probably couldn’t find it since those purple and yellow flowers flourish where nobody can see them. Probably of some sterile unknown origin somewhere at least. Good thing nobody’s around…. “so they can flourish”

    It’s okay forrest…I don’t think anyone included them in their recipes anyhow. Cheeze-Its are great for that spicy golden color just as good. Those cloves just put a nail in the bad recipe couging. Unless we’re talking Cider otherwise DO NOT TOUCH

  30. Somehow I think Marvin may have known this. I was pleased to see it as well Similar to the Pimento Berry (Pimento cheese Sandwich) which is actually Allspice…..I present you another herb…the largest one in the world….which doesn’t grow on trees. (courtesy or the Chiquita Company) sure seems There’s Something About Berry…

    A common misconception is that bananas come from banana trees, when in fact the banana is closely related to ginger and ornamental plants such as birds of paradise ;), amaranths and canna lilies. The banana plant is not a tree, but the world’s largest perennial herb and grows up to 25 feet, developing massive banana leaves that may extend 9 feet in the air. Edible bananas are technically berries and do not produce mature seeds [1]. Their rhizomes, or roots, can be hundreds of years old.

    Little berries back 🙂
    (With a cheez-it sandwich to boot)

  31. …then again a kid might be confusing his Honey Locust with a banana tree, given the correct ‘season’ of course. They sure do look like banana seeds. Those and Helicopter trees were my favorite when I was a kid at least.

  32. New theory:

    – “a gash on the wooden tabletop” = Rio Grande Gorge. “gash” = “hendadura” (in Spanish) = “rift” or “cleft”. “Tabletop” = “mesa”, the area next to the gorge (named Cebolla).
    – “cumin” = “comino”, and “camino”, like the Royal Road through New Mexico. I also love Mexican food.
    – “oregano” is also known as “marjoram”, or in Spanish, “mejorana”. “Mejorana” is also a guitar, or another phrase “el instrumento gitano”, which is the instrument of the gypsy. “Mejo rana” in Spanish means “best frog”. Form your own opinions. There is also a place in NM formerly named “Ceusta del Oregano”, with a similarly named arroyo.
    – “paprika” and “cayenne” = “Chili Line” narrow gauge at the bottom of the gorge.
    – “onion” = Cebolla (thanks Oz10 on Odds n Ends)
    – “cloves” = in Spanish (“clavos”) = “nails” (clous in French).
    – “thyme” (a funny name) indeed… Here he suggests some research has been done. Let’s do more. Thyme in Spanish, “timo”, can also mean “a lasting sting”, a phrase he uses in this post and on page 145 of TTOTC. It can also mean “swindle”, like “my father thinks you’re a fraud” on page 112. It can also be used as “gyp”, like a form of the word used on page 42… where Gypsies played Cajun accordions, also known as a squeeze box. In the Royal Gorge up the Arkansas, there is a whitewater rapid known as the Squeeze Box. Approaching our friendly Rio Grande Gorge, there are also rafting places known as Box.
    – It’s a great idea to have a look at some of the words on this webpage, maybe even translate them to English or to Spanish, and see if anything inspires you from Fennonyms, particularly near the end of the page:

    If I laughed big at this, like Fenn says the finder will do, in Spanish I’d “se rió grande”.

    • E.C. Waters – Did I miss something? When did f say that the use of Spanish would be useful? At different times I remember f saying poem, TTOTC book, GE and/or a good map, and comprehensive knowledge of geography are needed and/or helpful. He also answered a question with a lot things that won’t help in solving the poem. IMO Spanish is not needed to understand any part of the solution. I do reserve the right to be wrong, however at this time it, Spanish, has not helped one bit. What if f really did provide those that own his book and take his advice about the things that are useful with more than enough to solve the poem? IMO f has been very generous with more than enough information to at least put you in the general area where the chest is sitting now. The chest used to be in NM but took a trip and found another place to slumber in the wilderness that is very dear to f.

      • @Hear me all – it’s thrilling in the chase to be able to have a different point of view. Don’t you think? Certainly someone with a different point of view than everyone at least up until this moment will be the person to find it.

        • E. C. Waters – I’m totally in agreement that it takes a different point of to see things for what they are not what we want them to be. I also remember f saying that more than several have figured out the first 2 clues and someone might have possibly solved 3 or 4. That statement was made some time ago. IMO I will say that while the poem is tough, it’s not near as tough as most are making it out to be. Most searchers are still playing Canasta.

          • @Hear me all – so Canasta is Spanish. Right? One of its translations is to “drawer” … what Fenn has described in this Scrapbook. We barely know what our words mean.

          • Hear me all;

            You say, ” IMO I will say that while the poem is tough, it’s not near as tough as most are making it out to be. Most searchers are still playing Canasta.”

            What game are you playing? If it is easier than most are making it out to be, kindly put us Canasta players out of our misery, and show us the treasure,or enlighten us as to how we are over complicating a “Simple” puzzle that has confounded over 65,000 people for over six years. We would love to be enlightened.

            Just a thought. JDA

      • @Hear me all – here’s something he has said…

        “I never said I buried it,” Fenn says, “but that doesn’t mean it isn’t buried. I want a mystery about it. It’s not easy to find, but it isn’t impossible.”

        He never said Spanish would be useful, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t useful. He did call out Latin as not being useful, but Latin is not Spanish.

        The word “Spanish” appears nine times in TTOTC. He put a Spanish ring in the box and named it specifically. Having Spanish knowledge seems to be pretty significant in the Rockies for place names, a part of geography, including in the first hint “north of Santa Fe”.

        The Spanish word “disparate” translates in English to “applesauce”.

  33. E.C. Waters – You make some valid points. IMO the poem does not have anything to do with Spanish though. The only language that I see is English and it’s refreshing because that is the language that f uses and butchers. 🙂 A study of f’s mistakes will reap rewards if you know what I mean. WINK, WINK!

    I know you are having fun as well as most of the rest of us. I truly believe that when the correct solution is revealed it will make others kick themselves or at the very least slap themselves for not seeing what f tried to show everyone.

    We are nearing Thanksgiving and I’m thankful that you and a host of others are studying and searching NM. That means less searchers in the area where I think the treasure chest is sitting (in the fresh air). If it was buried the chest would miss out on the wonderful views that f talks about in his New Mexico True Stories video.

    Best wishes in our journey.

  34. JDA – I didn’t say it was easier. I said it was less tough than most are making it out to be. It’s definitely not a cake walk or a walk in the park. It is however not overly complicated. You are likely to say I’m talking in circles but I’m not.

    I really wish I could give you the 1st clue that is in the poem but I can’t. If I did so, it would spoil your fun in figuring it out. If I told you, it would be similar to me telling you all about the movie you wanted to see before you had a chance to see it. Forrest isn’t playing games. I will say that the first clue is in the poem and also hinted at more than twice in TTOTC. If you can find it, you will be elated. You might even want to jump up and down for joy or even have a parade in your town. It’s that big. That’s as much as I can say without just handing it to you on a silver platter.

    In no way am I trying to make others feel like they are less than if they haven’t figured out. It’s the opposite. I want to spur others to “think” like f told us to.

    • You said,” JDA – I didn’t say it was easier. I said it was less tough than most are making it out to be.” Semantics!
      What is the difference between “easier” and “Less tough?”
      They are the same – You sound like the politicians we all heard for the past year. YES, you are talking in circles! If you know that I will say you are talking in circles, why not lay it out straight?

      The first clue to the poem is in the first line of stanza #1.
      “As I have gone alone in there.” There “I” said it, what was so hard about that? It’s NO BIG SECRET!

      You, like so many others that have gone before you are so enchanted with your own “brilliance” that you huff and puff so loudly, you hope to blow us over with your hot air.

      I have solved the puzzle, or so I think. Hopefully one last trip will prove me right. You don’t hear me huffing and puffing about how great I am do you? Huffing and puffing accomplishes nothing other than making you look like a fool – In MY opinion.

      You then go on to say, “In no way am I trying to make others feel like they are less than if they haven’t figured out. It’s the opposite. I want to spur others to “think” like f told us to.” Do you have a private “hotline” to Forrest, and he has told you how he wants us to think? My, My, how blessed you are.

      Bottom line – put up, or shut up. If you have all of the answers, you have the chest. If you do not have the chest, you DO NOT have all of the answers, so quit trying to convince us poor canasta players that you do.

      Sorry if I come across strong, but read your own words.
      Forrest has NOT appointed you judge and jury of how we are to think, so kindly get off of your soap box, and I will get off of mine. JDA

      • P.S. – Your screen name says it all “Hear Me All”
        How much more egotistical can one be than to want to shout out to the world “Hear Me All” – I am SOOOOO great!!! Just my opinion. JDA

        • I think you are way off base here JDA – I have no idea how you and Jake get so worked up by Zap or HMA other than pure frustration that they wont tell you the answers to how they do things. They are confident in their method and so are you, so whats the issue? Do you agree or disagree that the poem and the hints from the book tell the solver that they are on the right track? Because I am in the camp that once you get to a certain clue, there is no doubt you have found the right “direction” in terms of solving the poem. I dont see them being cocky – I see them being confident.

          PS – Hear me all is a line from the poem, wheres the ego?

      • @JDA – Fenn uses “blessed” twice in TTOTC and in contexts which would seem out of place for present day English. I can’t yet speculate why unless he is pointing to some “San” or “Santa”, or some old NM alabido, assuming NM is the target.

        Curious choice of wording, though.

      • JDA- Please accept my apologies. Apparently, I am not the kind of person that is good at helping others with treasure hunts via e-mail. My replies to you were only meant to help you. I would like to think that if we were breaking bread together and visiting about the treasure hunt it would be much different.

        Best wishes.

        • Apology accepted. How do you perceive that you are helping someone if you provide no information other than to say that we are over complicating the search? Help me to understand how this is a help. You are not telling us (me) how to simplify our (my) thought processes. All you are saying is that we (I) are (am) doing it wrong. Wrong in your opinion, not wrong in fact, because neither you nor those that you are speaking to have the treasure.

          Breaking bread together? Maybe sharing a beer, but unlikely that we would break bread together.

          If you came across in person as you do on-line, It would take several beers before I could HEAR the help that you say you were offering…doubt that two or three loaves of bread would do the trick.

          I try to help by offering suggestions how one could look at a sentence or word in a different way…I don’t just tell them that they are looking at it wrong…wrong according to who? Under what or whose authority?

          So, we view the world differently. Again, apology accepted. I accept the fact that you felt that you were “helping”. Thanks.

          Show ME how MY thought process is making the solve more difficult than it needs to be. Give me examples. I have posted a whole lot, surly you can come up with at least one example. I would love to learn something that might get me closer to the prize. Be my teacher – I am open. If you don’t want to do it on-line then email me at SculptorJDA at aol dot com.

          Have a good night. JDA

    • Hear Me All, it is interesting if the first clue is hinted at by at least two things in TTOTC. Why? Because maybe both of the hints point to the same starting area where clue 1 then takes over…a confirmation. That could be why F’s best advice is to read the poem and then the book and looking for aberrations that stick out. It’s easier to get the correct starting point that way then just from solving the poem.

      • Fundamental – If you figure out the 1st clue in the poem, the hints in the book will be evident. One is so evident that you will slap yourself when you make the connection. I say this IMO because I don’t want others to jump down my throat. If you read the TTOTC slowly looking for “mistakes” it helps!

      • JDA and fundamentaldesign, HearMeAll is suffering from the same affliction that I am: being 99.999% sure they’ve solved the first clue, but being utterly hand-tied as far as revealing why. The only proof that most of you will accept is a picture of the chest, which is frankly absurd. You can’t possibly proceed to the second clue and beyond without a strawman solution to the first clue, so how do you justify in your own minds the “truthiness” of your first clue when YOU don’t have the chest? What HearMeAll is perhaps trying to say is that his first clue solution is SO compelling that anyone who had it would recognize the undeniability of it. So if your first clue solution isn’t palm-to-the-head, gaping jaw, Homer Simpson “Doh!”, to say nothing of the multiple confirmation hints in TTOTC, then I should think you would be at least a little curious why your own solution isn’t measuring up to one that IS generating this reaction in others.

        • I agree. It would be interesting to see if the ones that are on this track of a most compelling first clue solution have the same answer.

          • The proof is in the pudding…until Indulgence is proven to be found by the one searcher that solves the poem and retrieves her, everything is just unproven banter.
            There have been many to have claimed eureka solves that went nowhere. I am certain there will many more to come and go. It is very interesting to see the wide variety of posted ideas and solves. That is a good measuring stick to just how challenging this Chase is.
            Good luck to all and stay warm out there.

        • Nah. I call bs.

          The box is worth $1M to $3M USD plus 15 mins of fame. If you were as confident as you are leading everyone to believe, you wouldn’t be sitting on your thumbs or jibber jabbering with the lessers and challenging us with questions about when did Fenn mention Spanish. An 80 yr old man can get to it no matter the weather, so your reasoning is without foundation.

        • Zap and Hear Me All;

          I too had that slap your head, why doesn’t everyone see it – TA DAH moment, but that has not stopped me from telling the world how I got there. I have not revealed the EXACT answer to the first clue, but I have done everything I can to lead others in the same direction.

          If you missed it, here it is again.

          In Stanza #6 – “…and in the wood…” .
          There is a very obscure definition to the words “The wood”. This definition tells the searcher to look in a very specific geographical area of Wyoming. Take this definition and substitute “IN the wood”
          for “In There” in Stanza #1. “As I have gone alone In There…” – “As I have gone alone into this specific geographical area in Wyoming…” (sic) Now look on a map and find this specific geographical area. ” and look for something that will match wwwh. TA DAH – you are on your way.

          How much more head slapping of a clue are you looking for? Forrest has TOLD the searcher exactly where to begin his quest.

          I have NOT said exactly where in Wyoming this specific geographical area is – If I had – everyone would be able to walk (almost) directly to the treasure.

          If I can disclose this much about clue #1, I have difficulty in seeing where YOUR head slapping solutions are SOOOO profound that all you can do is say that we should give up and play canasta…paraphrasing. Just my opinion. JDA

          • JDA, you said “How much more of a head slapping clue are you looking for?”

            I like your findings and how you went about using it. What works for me is that I have a similar outcome as you have but I just used the first stanza to get to the specific starting area that I’ve been curious about. That and a couple of hints in the book that seem to point to the same area. Not sure if you found anything in TTOTC that you think are hints and point to your starting area.

          • Fundamental-
            No hints from TTOTC. I found hints relating to the blaze, and My War For Me was helpful in other ways, but no hints in TTOTC or TFTW led me to Clue #1. Thanks for asking. JDA

        • Just my two cents…………You know what is palm to the head, gaping jaw, heart pounding in your chest? It’s when you find the blaze and look quickly down. Feb. 13, 2016 @ 1:03 pm. It wasn’t when I found wwwh. That’s just what happened for me, could be wrong, could be right, happy hunting.

          • KM

            The only true head slapping, jaw dropping moment will be when I pick the chest up, open the lid and look into the chest for the first time. Now THAT will be a special moment.

            Well, I can dream anyway – Isn’t that what the chase is all about – Dreaming and hoping. JDA

        • ZAP and Hear me all
          Do you guys believe you have all the answers to the poem now?

          Zap ask you because a few weeks ago you mentioned you know what the blaze is and that wasn’t even enough yet, that you still need to figure out more of the poem.

          Zap, I have one more questions for you. I’m just curious to how long you have been looking for the chest and how long have you been working on the poem since your first head slap of the first clue?

          • Jw – As for myself, I don’t have all the answers. My solution is still a work in progress. I can say I moved from infancy to crawling and am working on the “walking” part now. I must say that IMO I have a solid foundation from which I can continue to build upon. I can see why Forrest felt like an architect with the poem.

          • Hi Jw: “Do you guys believe you have all the answers to the poem now? Zap ask you because a few weeks ago you mentioned you know what the blaze is and that wasn’t even enough yet, that you still need to figure out more of the poem.”

            I’m satisfied with my solution, and I don’t expect to find anything more in the poem or TTOTC that will move me more than a hundred feet from the location. Could Forrest have an ace up his sleeve that I’ve missed? Sure. That’s why I keep digging in TTOTC for the type of irregularities that have turned out to be confirming hints for the “word that is key”, WWWH, the blaze, and other clues.

            “Zap, I have one more questions for you. I’m just curious to how long you have been looking for the chest and how long have you been working on the poem since your first head slap of the first clue?”

            I figured out my “word that is key” in June of this year. Prior to that I had spent perhaps 1000 hours over the prior year scouring the thousands of topo maps of Montana, Wyoming and Colorado that are in the shaded area of the map. In doing so I built a huge color-coded Excel spreadsheet with every possible geographic feature that I could construe as being an answer to one of the clues. I started at the Canadian border and systematically raster-scanned my way south. I had reached about the middle of Colorado when the epiphany hit, quite out of left field. I stopped cold in my tracks because I discovered I had been going about the poem all wrong. I wouldn’t say those 1000+ hours were completely wasted, but they were utterly useless for finding the solution. The one thing that that comprehensive exposure to the area’s geography gave me was an appreciation for just how many warm springs and Browns there are in the Rockies.

            Anyway, once I had the keyword, clues starting falling into place. In my opinion the third clue was the linchpin: the point at which I no longer had any doubts I was barking up the wrong tree. But to answer your question, it took from June to the end of September (many hundreds of hours) to lock down all the clues sufficiently to justify a trip (which was taken). In hindsight, that trip was premature and rushed out of fear that the search season was ending. I should have spent more time dotting i’s and crossing t’s before going, but I let excitement get the better of me, as well as worry that someone would get there before me. The next trip there will be wiser, less hurried, and better-equipped.

          • Thanks Zap, I give you a lot of credit for the amount of work you have done.
            I have been in this search off and on for about 3 years and have never made a trip to go look for it. Not because I don’t like the outdoors or that dont appreciate that FF wants to get people out of there house and in to nature. Because I already do that stuff anyway, fishing, hiking, camping. It’s because I was like you I study all kinds of maps of the rocky mountains and learned about Native American people, artists, and so on.
            I know way more than I could have imagined about the Rocky Mountains and the people that traveled them. But none of that stuff ever helped me
            to nail done anything, because just like you said there are way to many possibilities. I always felt that there had to be a way to know for certain you had the right answer to the clues. So I appreciate the advice you have given me on how to go about doing so, although I’m still looking for the first clue haha.
            I know it will slap me in the face soon. Just need to clear my mind of all the research I have done and learn to see the poem and not just read it.
            I wish you luck on your next trip!

          • Jw: many thanks for your reply! I think one of the main assets that any searcher can bring to bear on Forrest’s puzzle is persistence. His poem is a marathon, not a sprint. I don’t know if it will help you, but the first clue actually came to me in my sleep, as did some of the others that followed, so you might give that a whirl. Sometimes your subconscious is better at solving some types of problems because the thoughts flow more freely when unencumbered by a rigid framework. By now you’ve certainly memorized the poem, so your brain has all the raw material it needs to find connections.

        • Zap!

          Am I wrong OR at the time that you wrote this didn’t you and HMA believe the First Clue resided in Stanza 1? AND today don’t you still believe that and just simply refer to your Former First Clue as a Hint??

          “99.999%” certainty. That’s a reference to a “clue” in Stanza 1, yes?

          Don’t we now know (New Zealand) that you were in fact 100% uncertain?

          I do genuinely want to know some day what the heck you two were referring to that would make me go “Doh”


        • Thanks for your feedback on this scrapbook Zaphod and Hear Me All.

          I have made a couple more observations as I read this scrapbook again. Obvisouly there is a reason that FF mentions cloves 4 different times in this scrapbook. But, I wonder if it isn’t about the cloves themselves. As we have already established, the word cloves comes from clou which means “nail of clove”.

          Could it be that each time he is talking about the cloves that he is using the cloves to point out that something else he just said is the actual clue?

          Just before talking about cloves for the first time, FF mentioned Turkish Ground Cumin. I haven’t decided what might be significant about the Cumin, unless it is that it is “ground” (think earth)

          The second time FF mentions cloves, it is after his comments about garlic. “It smelled like something that might rust the lid.”
          It smelled like something that might rust the lid? How can something smell like it would rust the lid? Perhaps rust is the hint here?

          I notice that the third time FF talks about cloves, he has just discussed Bay Leaves. I found it interesting that he said that Bay Leaves must grow near water. I assume he said this because of the name. But, when I google Bay Leaves, I find that there is no mention of growing near water. In fact, they can grow as an indoor plant.

          I find it interesting that this scrapbook article begins with FF saying that he removed the spice drawer and set it on the kitchen table because it was so heavy. He said, “When I sat and pulled the drawer toward me something sharp on the bottom scraped a gash on the wooden tabletop.”

          I think FF is describing a geologic event that created the area WWWH. That is just my opinion of course.

          I also find it interesting that the last mention of cloves follows the comment about Arrowroot Powder. FF says he thinks this company needs to be investigated.

          I definately see some hints here!

          • Hi Flutterby: there was another thing in this SB that I don’t think I’ve mentioned before that is another example of Forrest having fun with words. It’s his comment about ground turmeric:

            “I don’t want to talk about it. The label doesn’t say what it is but something in there is dead.”

            Why yes, something is: Forrest’s friend Eric Sloane: turmERIC.

          • Interesting Zap as Forrest has said, “I don’t want to talk about it.” So perhaps there is something of Eric’s in the chest and this bridges that connection.

  35. JDA—
    I always appreciate your humble attitude about the search. Though you are pretty certain about where Indulgence is, you always allow for the fact that you could be wrong.

    I happen to agree with you that it is in Wyoming. 4 months ago when I first heard of the best search I was led to Wyoming and have never left that state. I’ve gotten forlorn and wanted to “throw in the towel” and said “it’s probably in New Mexico”— but if I read the poem again I come back to Wyoming. 🙂

    But again, I appreciate your attitude. Some are TOO sure and always have excuses for why they don’t go and retrieve the treasure. They seem to have “THE” answer no one knows. You’d think they had invented a language single-handed while the rest of us just limp along.

    I think you just might find it JDA—.all the best in your continued search!

    • Thanks Sparrow;

      I appreciate your kind words. Only time will tell if I am right or not. Like so many searchers now, and many before me, I honestly feel that I have “Cracked the puzzle.”…but I am a realist and know that hundreds, and even thousands of people much more intelligent than am I have come up with the perfect solve, only to be disappointed. My initial solve led me to one particular area. I have modified my solve a total of five times, but have always remained in the same general area. Hopefully I have learned from my mistakes, and hopefully one last trip will be the one that will be the most rewarding.

      Thanks again for your kind words. JDA

  36. “When I unscrewed the lid, fine white powder spilled all over my lap. It smelled like something that might rust the lid”.
    That white stuff ain’t mud.

    • Oh, no. Here’s the ‘That white stuff ain’t mud’ again, Sandy. Now I can’t remember if it was truly just you that said this or Mr. Fenn. Not what I needed on a Sunday morning. 🙂

  37. I still get a chuckle out of this SB. Fenn tasting all of his wife’s spices and writing a story about them to post on a blog about his treasure. With his penchant for sipping Worchester sauce and dabbling in spice tasting, I’m not surprised he has gut feelings! I’m gonna go outside and take a walk…and laugh my butt off….again. jeebzum!

    • Hello ken. I like your comment. It is a good scrapbook, and it is one of the stories in his new book.

      • Whew! That was a belly buster for sure. You know pdenver, you are a pretty smart cookie…and always straight to the point too. I like that.
        This is always a good read for me…and brings back great memories of times gone by…silly as it seems.

        • Thank you for your kind words, ken. I greatly appreciate it. This particular scrapbook was posted before I began the Chase, but I agree that it is a good one to go back to. There have been several that have been posted since I began which made me laugh, and I enjoyed those very much. Two that come to mind is the one with the shower tile and what he saw in them, and the other is Mildew.

  38. Fenn is a fascinating intellect. He doesn’t like to take things in his own life for granted and explores the details and investigates life. From words to wadis, from the skies to the river bottoms – Forrest checks things out.

    I’ve heard people describe him as egotist and smart-alec but I’d describe him as a self made captain of his own ship; sailing where ever the winds of his imagination blow…


    • GCG –

      He spent an hour rummaging through his wife’s drawers and then wrote a blog posts about it.

      He should cook every meal for a family for 50 years and then make a comment. He might understand better what the various spices are used for if he put the work in.

      Presumably Peggy doesn’t ask him why he has written more memoirs than Gandhi and Kennedy combined.


      • Lug;

        You should really be more careful with your sentence construct: “He spent an hour rummaging through his wife’s drawers…” I thought that this was a “G” rated enterprise – Just kidding you Lug – 🙂 JDA

  39. I took the emphasis on cloves here in relationship to knots. Clove hitch. Look at the part knots, ropes play in Thrill of the Chase.

  40. I was at the dentist the other day having a temporary filling put in following a root canal, and commented to the dentist that the temporary filling had an odd taste that I felt was familiar but that I couldn’t place. She smiled and said “cloves”! Bingo! She explained that it inhibits bacterial infections.

    “Are you sure it’s something to eat and not some kind of disinfectant?”

    Forrest you old dog, you’re right: it actually IS a disinfectant! I found this online: “Clove essential oil, used as an antiseptic in oral infections, inhibits Gram-negative and Gram-positive bacteria as well as yeast.”

    • Did you tell her all about the stamps and the stumps and 23 and the backwards handlebars and too far to walk and Olga’s ashes and the colors of tea and the birds on the wire and the bitter biddies and the Apache chickens and Dr pepper and the abc ducks and the lollypop buttercup and lightning?

      What did she think?

      Lugnutz Dodge did it in the study with the Jacqueline Kennedy brandy bottle.

      • Thanks, TimW. I suspect Forrest knew all about cloves being a disinfectant/antibacterial. It reminds me of his comment in the first memoir about *if* Robert Redford had ever written a book. Forrest absolutely knew Redford had.

  41. The contents of this drawer looks like a map of an area of interest for me. It makes me wonder if the third bottle of cloves, that appears to be hidden under and to the left of one the bottles has some meaning.

  42. Hi Flutterby: I think the bottles of cloves are the most relevant area of focus in SB49, and there is much discussion about this above covering many of the points in your Odds -N- Ends post, plus others you might have overlooked (e.g. that cloves IS used as a disinfectant and antibacterial.)

    But a few notes on your specific post:

    “When he took the drawer out to set it on the kitchen table, something sharp on the bottom scratched the table and he figured he would have to fix it.”

    This lead-off in the story reminds me of a Hitchcock film signature: the MacGuffin. Something very particular … that has nothing at all to do with the story, but is just a tool to put everything in motion. Hitchcock explained it like this:

    “The main thing I’ve learned over the years is that the MacGuffin is nothing. I’m convinced of this, but I find it very difficult to prove it to others. My best MacGuffin, and by that I mean the emptiest, the most nonexistent, and the most absurd, is the one we used in North by Northwest. The picture is about espionage, and the only question that’s raised in the story is to find out what the spies are after. Well, during the scene at the Chicago airport, the Central Intelligence man explains the whole situation to Cary Grant, and Grant, referring to the James Mason character, asks, “What does he do?” The counterintelligence man replies, “Let’s just say that he’s an importer and exporter.” “But what does he sell?” “Oh, just government secrets!” is the answer. Here, you see, the MacGuffin has been boiled down to its purest expression: nothing at all!”

    Probably just an interesting coincidence that Forrest has brought up Cary Grant before. Now, there might be more to Forrest’s kitchen drawer scratching the table with “something sharp.” Nails are sharp, and perhaps he’s suggesting that one is poking through the bottom of the drawer, which would be another tie-in to the cloves.

    “He went on to say, ‘Cloves Smells bizarre and strong’ Clearly this is a typo. Is it on purpose? Because the correct way to say this is that Cloves smell. . . and this should be a small ‘s’ and the word smell should be singular/not plural. Don’t know if this was FF’s error or someone else’s when it was put on this site. I’m only curious to know if it was done by accident or on purpose.”

    The only accident is that there is a missing carriage return after “Cloves.” Compare to all the other spices. Add in that CR/LF and the capitalization and verb tense issues disappear. (This was corrected in OUAW, btw.)

    “The rest of his description of cloves says, ‘with a lasting sting. It took three seconds to feel the full impact of the flavor on my tongue. It was terrible. I felt jaundiced and had to suck on an ice cube. Stay away from cloves – that’s my advice. Are you sure it’s something to eat and not some kind of disinfectant?'”

    Threes come up a lot in Forrest’s stories, which is another discussion in itself. Jaundiced = Yellow — possible nod to Yellowstone. (Side thought: cloves + three … 3-leaf clover?) And I already mentioned the disinfectant connection.

    “Why does my wife have three bottles of cloves?”

    Three again. I think the Brown connection you came up with is probably just coincidence, but no harm in keeping in your back pocket.

    “Their name comes from the Latin word “clavus,” which means “NAIL” – a nod to their appearance, as dried cloves feature a head with tapered stem, resembling a nail.”

    Yes, the clove shape and Forrest’s emphasis of nailing down the first clue/clou seem to be purposeful.

    • Maybe Fenn was hinting at “the past tense of cleave” ?

      1. to split or cause to split, esp along a natural weakness
      2. (tr) to make by or as if by cutting to cleave a path
      3. (when intr, foll by through ) to penetrate or traverse

      • I like your thought on the past tense of clove. I think The part of F’s story about gouging the kitchen table might be a reference to cleave. JMO.

    • Clove current bushes have yellow flowers, and they grow in a couple of the search states, if not all four. Just a thought – JDA

      • meant currAnt – sorry – A quick check says that they grow anywhere in the US – so all for search states are OK – JDA

    • Good research Zap, IMO, it’s the Evergreen, and nailing down the first clue. It all comes to prove wwwh. You and Flutter have basically spelled out the research part of it, in case anyone was curious, we just probably see different hints within. Like I said, for me, it’s Evergreen. For me, at the end of Evergreen st. is a church where I park my car and head into the canyon down. A little beyond coincidence. Not to mention all the other hints.

  43. I like lemon pepper, too. It’s one if the few seasonings in my cabinet that I seem to go through on a regular basis. Most of the rest of them can sit there for practically forever.

    Maybe the first three clues are like the three bottles of cloves — different but the same.

  44. Cloves…Clovis has been discussed as in Clovis points or Clovis, NM.

    I ran across “Clovis convert” in Freemasonry

    That the newly “converted Clovis” would use a bee as his symbol is not surprising. It aligned him with the Christian Roman Empire without alienating those of his subjects who still maintained non-trinitarian or pagan sympathies.

    The word Bee, number 13/Terces show up in TTOTC poem and are Freemason symbols

  45. I do believe this is one of the most instructional scrapbooks of all.
    Alot to be learned in F’s description of the spices.
    Read and think..

  46. Only being in the chase a couple of years or so. So this is late, but I decided to take the taste test inspired by this story and went thru my wife’s spice rack. To my amazement I found most of the spices, including the ones that were suppose to be sweet additives, to be strangely bitter. I wonder if others have tried this. Thanks Forrest

  47. Rosemary
    You should sprinkle it on the charcoal just before you start grilling the chicken. That’s an herb? I don’t like it because it reminds me of a girl I once knew. She threw rocks at me one day when I was walking home from school and I never forgot it. Heck with her.

    That’s Funny Stuff Forrest… I once had my finger stepped on by a girl named Renae in 1st grade out on the pavement during gym. She whore those black and white hard shoes… I never liked the name Renae after that…
    Siagon Cinnamon is not good for your kidneys and liver, it’s not actually from the same cinnamon tree as regular cinnamon. Be careful, probably has agent orange in it…. It can be toxic in large doses

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