The Nine Clues…….Part Fortynine


This is the place to discuss the nine clues…For instance:
What are the nine clues…
Is the first clue “Begin it where warm waters halt” ?

457 thoughts on “The Nine Clues…….Part Fortynine

      • UV should seek guidance from West before making crazy assumptions. A poem may have many solves but only one points the way.

        • I’ve seen this pic as someone’s gravatar before and I don’t believe it was you, straw shadow…
          Comments were even made on it, i recall because I couldn’t tell then what it is just as I cannot now…

    Many of you will think this is silly but I found it helpful. Countless times ff has expressed a lack of confidence in writing. So I thought if I didn’t believe in my writing ability then I’d look up how to write what I’m writing. Oddly enough it looks as if he may have also because his clues follow this pattern. Its a very basic logical thought. Nothing crazy. But what this does is narrow down the space for the search. I know one place that fits this diagram perfectly and would provide between a mile or two maybe less of search area which is still large but helpful. It may fit your guesses as well. If he did in fact follow a pattern of direction then I can give u a good example. If waters high heavy loads no paddle up your creek would represent a warning saying if you get to the waterfall u went too far. That alone is very helpful. Anyhow just thought I’d share

      • Nataiie West –

        I think you are very smart – straight forward is what he said – difficult but not impossible. I’m going to let my husband read that direction web site – he needs it. 🙂

        Good luck to you.

    • Natalie: thanks for sharing that. I like the quote at the end of the article:

      “Read the directions and directly you will be directed in the right direction.”
      (Alice in Wonderland)

  2. I’ll throw in a clue from my solve. I think “too far” translates to either “a foot” or “raft.”

  3. Amy, Michael D says he is leaving on the 30th to search for five days. He doesn’t sound very confident. I made up my mind while on my way back home from our meet up when I shall make an attempt to get to where I believe the NINETH CLUE is (staying on topic). I expect to leave home on the 19th of June, arrive at my spot the afternoon of the 20th, search for 5 minutes (not days), Spot my GPS coordinates and enjoy the view for half an hour then, head back home (hopefully, I’ll get back safely on the 21st). That will make for a nice Father’s Day! How’s that for confidence? I may not even use the whole five minutes to search once I’m there 🙂
    And the count down begins… 6 days until search day!

    • What state are you searching in Slurbs? You sound very confident so I’ll be waiting for your return and I hope you share your search story with us. 🙂

        • Good luck Slurbs.

          Maybe they will redraw the boundaries of Colorado before you go so the state is a little larger. At least that way you will be looking in the correct state.


          Just kidding – Good Luck!

          Scott W

          • i get everyone confused and that is my natural state or at least hubby things so. where and when are you searching

  4. Amy, I hope you made it hom safe with your Family. I’m glad you enjoyed the route 🙂

  5. Here is my clue list…
    1. I’ve gone IN there alone
    2. Begin where warm waters halt
    3. Take canyon down not by foot
    4. Put in below the home of Brown
    5. If u go down from waterfall u went too far
    6. Look for a blaze
    7. Look down
    8. Take and go in peace
    9. U r in the woods

  6. Wondering if anyone has answered the great philosophical question: Why do birds fly south in the winter?

  7. My most recent line of thinking is as follows – which by the way has changed several times over the course of the last few years…. I think WWWH is a specific spot and that if you solve this and then follow the general clues thereafter i.e. take it in the canyon down, find blaze, look below – it will lead you to the treasure… further, while I believe that folks have solved the first two clues, those clues are not enough to get you to Forrest’s WWWH – So – I think a solve of more than 2 clues is required to get you to WWWH and then you generally need to just follow the canyon down until you find the blaze. In my latest solve (of about 2 billion, HA!), I have four clues that lead me to my WWWH – I likely don’t have the right one – but just wanted to share a different approach to the poem.

    Second, I was wondering if anyone knows whether Forrest knows where the Fenn Cache was supposedly found? – I tried to do some research on this issue and found that there is no consensus of where it was found other than somewhere near the border of Wyoming and Utah and/or Wyoming and Idaho or was it found near the border of all three?


    • I don’t think Forrest has said exactly where the Fenn Cache was found. The finder of it died before explaining where he found it.

      Here is a web site (Nova) that has some of the finest photos of the cache along with explanations of some of them.

      • Inthechase2 – I would really enjoy seeing the Fenn cache photos and reading the explanations. Will you kindly post the Nova web link? Muchos gracias blog-amigo!

          • Thanks inthechaseto!

            I’ve been reading about the Fenn Cache. My hunch is the red ochre from iron-rich soil ties reddily to
            ti-red in the poem, and with the can/canned pictoral & word references in ttotc.
            Next time out, I’ll be looking for old iron things and traces of human inhabitants.

          • I did find another website that is more inclusive about the Fenn Cache :


            It’s funny that on our last search we found a snuff bottle. It’s brown in color and has four distinctive dots on the bottom. I was so excited. When we got home – off to ebay I went to find out how much it was worth. I’m now rich – as it is worth about 7 dollars. It was made about 1902 around the same time as the Fenn Cache was found.

          • Q1 –

            Just goes to show what a little reading and research will do ———-

            Crook County
            The Crook County cache (Figure 14) was discovered in 1963 when Harold Erickson was performing a petroleum survey in northeastern Wyoming (Byrd 1997; Tankersley 1998, 2002). While looking for artifacts on his lunch break, Erickson dug into a band of red ochre exposed on a road cut and uncovered two large bifaces. He returned later with a shovel and tire iron and uncovered six more artifacts. One additional large biface and a heavily reworked Clovis point were found in the backdirt from the road grading.
            The collection remained in private hands, mostly unknown to academia until the late 1990’s, when Ken Tankersley became interested in tracing the source of the red ochre on the artifacts (Tankersley 2002:109). At this time, the collection was in the
            possession of Forrest Fenn.

            Tankersley, Fenn, C. Vance Haynes, and Jack Holland were able to relocate the spot where Erickson had found the cache, based upon geographic and geologic information. The cache appears to have been placed in a naturally occurring band of red ochre on a grassy knoll overlooking a broad coulee to the south. The location provides a broad southeastern view that includes Devil’s Tower, the Missouri Buttes, and several mountain ranges.


            I don’t know if FF owned more than one cache – but I think this is the Fenn Cache and where it was found.

  8. Thanks inthechaseto for the info & the website! I just read on mysterious writings that Forrest purchased it from a local trader… maybe after the original owner had died – so me thinks Forrest may not know for certain where the cache was found & that is why the location has never been clarified.

    • Your welcome Sherri –

      I did find it interesting that on the website I posted above, it mentions Colorado too.

      It’s considered the finest cache of it’s type ever found and really should never be parted out as some of the others have been. I really think that is why FF purchased it – to keep it together. He has generously loaned it to various universities to study.

      Prehistoric artifacts may play a big part in the final solve.

      • Forrest has written about how he purchased the Fenn Cache and you are certainly correct in your point that he is credited with keeping the cache intact. For research reasons, keeping the cache intact is imperative. Typically, private collectors have needed to split the collections up in order to sell them. Forrest did not “need” to sell the cache. He did not need the money that selling it would bring as is often the case with other “finders”. When he did find a new owner for the cache it was with the understanding that it would remain intact and available for researchers to study.
        Ken Tankersley wrote in his excellent book “In Search of Ice Age Americans” precisely how important Forrest’s contribution to anthropology was by doing this.

        Texas A&M (where Forrest attended college for a very, very short time) has a very informative interactive site about the study of early Americans.

  9. I’d like to throw out a few comments here if you don’t mind. I read the poem by Forrest and have tried to analyze this in some context from a man who obviously is interested in history and knows the southwest.

    1. “No place for the meek”
    -from a biblical sense, the meek shall inherit the earth…so maybe the chest is not hidden in, or below, the ground
    -there are the ancient four elements of air, water, fire, and earth…so what is logically left could be the other three

    2. “Hint of riches..”
    -hint implies the tiniest of clues; a secret

    3. “Treasure bold”
    -who were bold? Conquistadors….adventures for God, king, and gold
    -did the Spanish know of this place?

    4. “…where warm waters halt.”
    -warm waters occur in slow-moving broad streams

    5. “Put in below the home of Brown”
    -home, not house
    -Brown were friars, maybe again suggests Spanish heritage; a mission? where an abandoned mission used to be?
    -brown in Spanish is “marron”

    6. “Just heavy loads and water high.”
    -Why would one need heavy loads if you are not going “too far?”
    -water high = waterfall? dam? you know there is water above where you are? a watertower? water reservoir?
    -there is nothing in the poem that says YOU are carrying the heavy loads…train tracks nearby?

    7. “…found the blaze.”
    -towards the sun? facing east or west? I suggest the east because the ancient four elements also had their cardinal directions: Fire = East; Water = South; Earth = West; Air = North
    -blaze in this context = the sun
    -there are associated vegetations that were also suggested as having fiery substance and in keeping with the four ancient elements, fire is associated with the colors of yellow and green

    8. “Listen good”?
    -doesn’t one listen “well”, not “good”
    -there is a story called the “Well at World’s End”, and he uses the word “end” elsewhere: “The end is ever drawing nigh?”

    I will continue to post if I have time….blessings to the searchers…lived in New Mexico, Nevada, and Utah some time in the past for a little whiles

    • 6. Waterfall possible. dam or water tower not likely. Forrest said something along the lines that it ( the chest ) was not associated with a structure. i.e. man made object. Think about 100 + years. Will the object referred to still be there after 100 years. My thoughts are the objects in question will be natural objects and will be there unless acted on by a force of nature.

      Heavy loads: Could this be a reference to and an old Spanish trail once used by the Spanish friar’s to transport their gold and silver?


      • Interesting solve though I concur with Chad about the clues not being associated with a any man-made structure. I’ve also had thoughts the poem could relate to the early Spanish explorers and the Old Spanish Trail section from Sante Fe to Mesa Verde. Just haven’t solved where to begin with any confidence. Thanks for posting.

      • Heavy loads water high no paddle up your creek. Its all in one sentence. Its referring to a singular place or area. Not saying a trail is a bad idea, but a trail often wrecked by falling boulders or rocks with waters streaming down the sides well that would be a better fit BC the descriptors would all be describing the singular trail. Does this hit home with anyone? Its one sentence.

  10. True fenn said if you were 12 feet from it you’d find? Read people saying but can’t find his quote. Not on cheat sheet.

    • Six Questions More with Forrest Fenn he says, “Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few on in tight focus with a word that is key.”

      Tunnel vision!!!!!! Gilman tunnel and Jemez soda dame those are the two points

      • We searched those areas back before we heard about the “at least 8.25 miles north of Santa Fe” part; they’re not. Still, it was a nice area to visit, what with the geology around the Soda Dam, Jemez Falls and such. The campground along the river is nice, too; pick a spot that backs to the stream.

    • According to Stephanie, Forrest once told her that the chest is not in a tree but it is surrounded by trees. He then went on to say, of course everything is surrounded by trees if you go out far enough.
      I can’t point to where this was passed on to me and I cannot speak for its accuracy. This is how I remember it.
      I will say that I have used it cautiously in my own pursuit of the chest.

      • Dal
        What i remember was, Stephanie had said Forrest told her to look in the trees,, It has been a while but I think that was her statement .

        Do you think he could have meant , look in the family tree.? as his children and grandchildren.

        They could be his treasures, New and Old.
        Any ideas along this line.

        • sally2

          This is what is written about trees in the Rumors Abound section of this website.

          Surrounded by trees – Forrest once wrote to a searcher that the chest was not hidden in a tree but that it was surrounded by trees. I suppose it is useful to know that the chest is not in a tree but the notion that it is surrounded by trees is definitely not a clue. Everything is surrounded by trees if you go far enough out. This is exactly the kind on non-clue a trickster would deliver.

          When ever someone says what he wrote – with out proving it – I take it with a grain of salt.

          I think with all the double letter T’s in the poem – it could be in a tree. Or it could be buried.

          • Inthechase

            Thanks for the info, and yes i take it with a grain of salt as you said

            Yes Forrest uses alot of double letters in peoples names in both books.

            I really dont think it is up in a tree but who knows,, i think more a hollowed out stump or covered with a rock. If it were buried then you would have to dig it out and i thought Forrest said no tools were necessary.

          • Inthechase

            I believe a shovel is a tool,, and if we would need one , then i would imagine that Forrest would have needed one also.

            I dont think Forrest intended us searchers to be walking around with shovels.

          • sally2 i agree with you its not buried. i dont know how to put it in words but i just dont think its in the ground to hard to find, damages plants etc. and just too darn hard it hard enough as it is lol

          • Wildbirder, inthechase2

            Forrest could have curved it with rocks the way they did in the old west days,made a teepe of rocks over it possibly??
            That could be the blaze.

            you wouldnt need a shovel.

  11. Dal

    I’m back home. Had a safe trip back and a great adventure while I was in Colorado:)

    I will hope to post my solve to u tomorrow and then if u can transfer it here that would be awesome thank you. 🙂

    • Amy, we had a great time with you and your family. Everyone else reading, know that Amy is one of the most pleasant people you’d ever meet. Amy’s searching effort is tenacious. When she gets going, you better get out of the way. Her search party are in full support of her. At least, that’s what I witnessed. It was an honor to search with her and her team. I’d like to have Amy with me on my search. I will take her tenacity with me and use it if I need it. Thanks for the motivation to put forth 110 percent effort. That is one more tool I can add to the tool box I’ll be using to tackle the 9 clues and recover the chest. Amy, you are welcome into our home anytime.

      • Slurbs

        See how awesome u are. 🙂 Slurbs and his family made time to come and meet me. ” Who does that” ? I can say Slurbs does. We had a nice visit and he even tried to help. Although he looked at my spot in the wood and stood there. Lol 🙂 Slurbs im not crazy I promise. Thank u and I appreciate your time and the visit. You have a beautiful heart.
        Good Fortunes to you. 🙂

  12. hello folks, hunch here. new to this thing. i read at the top of this section Dal asks is where warm water halts the first clue? yeah, I think so. since in the chapter entitled first grade mr. fenn talks about a giant ball of string that disappears. ive lived in Cody, Wyoming my whole life and know of another giant ball that disappears. its at the Buffalo Bill reservoir. and the word halt is on it too, seen it with my own eyes. first grade = first clue. the ball at the reservoir was used to halt the flow of water at the dam. warmed water is snow melt from the mountains. meet me there i’ll show you. even if you aint from missouri. i was up there the other day snoopin around but wife called me to home cause the dog got out. im just down the canyon a piece from the lake but was too dark to go back.took me awhile to get the dog. and i got a headlight out on the truck.

  13. New opportunities for learning something from Forrest are coming up.
    Barry Petersen and CBS Sunday Morning should have a nine minute piece end of this month.
    Josh Gates and Expedition Unknown for The Travel Channel filmed their interview with Forrest recently.
    California Sunday will have about 5,000 words coming out soon.
    Outside Magazine will have their piece on the search coming out in the September issue.

    By the way, Dokoupil asked Forrest to appear on his MSNBC show GreenHouse. Forrest declined..Dokoupil, attempting to ride the crest of the Forrest Fenn wave did the show anyway. Of course he painted it dark and took the most negative position he could..Dig and you go to jail..
    What a guy that Dokoupil character is…

    • Thanks for the heads-up on the new articles etc coming out about Forrest. I’m especially looking forward to seeing the Expedition Unknown piece. I doubt I’ll hear anything totally new but I can always hope! 🙂

  14. Some of use have known about the ball of string for a long time. Its kinda like the Frosty name he uses in the book, which could relate to Ned Frost. He found the cave into Sprit Mountain. Basically right next to the ball of string. And like the name John Charles Whatever he uses. its really John Charles Freemont a famous military explorer. FF mixes the past history into his own words through out the whole book and if you follow that line of thinking, you will be way off course. Im one of the old timers in this search, started in 2010 but don’t say much anymore. Been there Done that.

    • desperado, hunch here. thanks for that information. i got extra short handled shovel if you need one.

  15. Good read on The Mother of Indiana Jones by Forrest Fenn( a collector strikes back) I love the advise he gives in the end. You tell em,Forrest. 🙂

  16. Richard Saunier just published a new story over on his Mountain Walk blog entitled:
    The Tumacácori National Historical Park vs Forrest Fenn

    Now I doubt that you will find there any clues to where the chest sits but I do believe Richard has the right idea about searching for the chest…and anything else out in the big splendid world of wildness that still exists for us to enjoy but not devour.
    What a splendid storyteller and appreciator of wild places Richard is….

  17. I saw this on another blog.if you use the word treasures and start at the t in halt and slide lines back and forth to spell the word treasure there is supposed to be a secret message show up somewhere that says try the wheel wy. I can’t replicate these directions to see it. Has anyone else. They are saying it relates to a native American feature called a medicine wheel.

      • Good information. I still can’t slide the lines to see the message. I looked up the big medicine wheel near Dayton,wy. A president for it was named Francis Brown. Looks like the solution is out of the bag now. Like your colors. Would fenn have been around these parts?

        • I read that Forrest Fenn made an annual pilgrimage to Sheridan Wyoming and the Big Horn mountains. art galleries in the area he would’ve visited, in addition to mountain man rendezvous’s and the native American battlefields of Montana.

          You’ll need to watch your elevation and specifically reservation land designation in that area. Although fan won’t say if it’s on reservation land or not, I believe he has too much respect for their culture to have placed a chest on their land. In addition TC would absolutely belong to the tribe if on their land. In that case he would’ve simply given it to them as a gift.

  18. It’s not Indian property. It’s national forest. Sheridan isn’t far from there. Would be in the middle of Sheridan and Cody. I know he visits there.

    • hi danny bow i agree that is not on indian land because of his respect for the Indians he has studied. good luck with your searching be safe

      • I couldn’t disagree more YOU DON’T KNOW FORREST. A maverick does it his way! To heck with everyone else’s opinions.

        • This is what a maverick MIGHT do while he was recovering from cancer…

          All in my well researched OPINION.

          Although research is apparently not necessary and scorned by some.

          Forrest knew of a sacred NA medicine & burial site which should be preserved for “the people” that it was meaningful to. But the land was owned by others. In the 80’s logging mining development companies fought hard to plunder the land while a few fought to preserve sites.

          Forrest purchased the land outright rather than fight bureaucracy red tape. He worked through ‘other named’ trustees and gifted it to a NA family because of their involvement in preserving other sacred lands for future generations.

          You will find no record of the name Brown or Fenn connected to this property because others accomplished the task. It’s his private deeded gift to a family and a people.

          It’s my hope to walk this remote but accessible site and discover what Forrest discovered/preserved there.

          I would be heartbroken to find a group of gold hungry treasure hunters had disturbed the area – as I assume Forrest would be too. When f said a “place of high regard” he meant respect. My guess is there is debris on site to camouflage and detour – as well as private property.

          • As in disturbed what are we talking. Walking into an area isn’t necessarily disturbing. You need to understand Forrest ethos. Respect others don’t leave trash (essentially leave it as you found it) Go in peace! What better place for the treasure then on Indian land. Why would Forrest care what others think .. He is the one who loves Indian artifacts. This is about his life childhood, father etc…

          • O u O fenn would care i think about what the Indians would think and we dont believe he wouldnt add to their troubles by sending nut cases we read about in news stories that are going to yellow stone.

        • Good find. He talks about both types of land in the same sentence. I still can’t pull that message out like others have. Going to work it today. I don’t think you use the first letter that jumps out at you.

  19. I’d like to just mention an interpretation that is almost sickening its so simple just for fun…
    1. As I have gone IN there alone

    He is telling us he is entering a park, reserve, or other form of designated area that would make note of who enters the premises. He went in alone.

    2. Begin it where warm waters halt

    Not too far in you will come to a place where notable warm waters become cool all year round because searchers would need to identify this attribute during a multitude of visits on any given month. So perhaps warmer rivers or river known for warmth has reached a place of cooling. Your next clue tells you that you will be headed down so the warmer water is most likely ending in the north. So northward flow. Mind you prior to this there is no direction so your wwh will be along the main entry road.

    3. And 4. Take it in the canyon down not too far but too far to walk.

    You may assume here that where warm waters halt is now north of a canyon or possibly in a canyon. The author tells you travel down into the canyon. Travel south. Waterfalls or cascades are likely in this area as waters are merging.
    Walking at this point is not required. So if you remain in your vehicle as he did that means a road will take you in the canyon right off the main entry. The road will be not too long but too long of a walk. It was put there for a purpose.

    5. PUT IN below the home of Brown

    Interesting point in this one. In this interpretation the treasure is put in below a blaze. The road is put in below the home of Brown. Kinda like hey they put in a stop sign over there or they put in a detour. We are still following a theme. Now this road is below the home of Brown. Perhaps Brown trout, a man or woman named Brown, or a bear. Previously down means south. We will guess below suggests the home of Brown is upstream at higher elevation or just at higher elevation.

    6. The end is ever drawing nigh

    This one could mean the end of the road is drawing close very soon after getting on the road or that the road ends to the left. But I like to think it means…take a drive down a road that ends shortly to the left lol.

    7. There’ll be no paddle up your creek only heavy loads and waters high

    In the vicinity of the end of the road there will be a waterfall. Pretty basic. The terrain will be rough. Now in the story concy and me we are told a doable trip with no weight to carry on foot is three miles to ff. I believe it is in this span that you will travel by vehicle. So look for this road to be around three miles. Before the end of this road you will need to get out of your vehicle and start your search on foot. The treasure will be within reasonable but perhaps arduous walking distance if you are in this location.

    8. If you’ve been wise and found the blaze look quickly down your quest to cease…take it and go in peace

    Look for a trail blaze. Now trail blazes can be that of a hiking or biking trail blaze but gypsies also have their own form of blazes and even the native Americans shaped the growth of trees to mark a direction or give warning. The trail blaze will likely take a trained or knowledgeable eye. You could be right next to it and not even know. It will not be by accident that you will identify this place. The area itself will not be too dangerous as ff felt secure enough to travel from his vehicle with quite a load twice without fear of falling or coming by injury. Furthermore, the area will be far enough from the possible eyes of passerby’s as people have only been within 500 maybe 250 ft of it without discovery. And no one saw Mr. FF place it. Maybe a dirt road intersects our road that would take FF away from the beaten path and allow him to park his vehicle unseen. Oh and go in peace try to avoid any legal matters from removing native american items from possible government land.

    9. If you are brave and in the wood

    The treasure will be amongst trees so if one side of the road is bare and open know your search will be on the wooded side.

    Stupidly simple but lovely interpretation. Remember your whole search is within the canyon. You never leave. So your canyon is above 5k ft over sea level, in the rockies, north almost 9 miles of Santa few, 300 miles west of Toledo, prone to cold maybe road closure, and likely near sage and plenty of pines. When you think you have searched a fair distance go 500 ft further. He would have felt this place was special to the heart and secluded enough to be a secret.

    I know of one place that fits this simple scenario precisely there may be many more.

    • NW,

      I would like to dissect your simple scenario, but i don’t want to upset you.

      I will ask one simple question, if you don’t mind. You said,

      “The author tells you travel down into the canyon. Travel south.”

      Is “south” the “only” direction to travel down into the canyon?
      Many canyon Travel in a Northern direction, some east and west as well. “Take it in the canyon down can also mean descending with no direction of N. S. E. or W. needed to be know.

      Is this Simple Scenario, too simple?

      • Seeker,

        I agree with you, down can mean south, down river or to an elevation lower than the starting position. Again we must start with WWWH.


        • I’ll give you guys my very simple solution that I feel is so simple I cannot believe it. My hope is that there are some other logical places that fit this basic directional theme. …enter in at west Yellowstone gates travel to Madison junction where the noteable warm waters of the firehole halt, take a right going south on firehole canyon drive a 2.6 mile narrow curvy drive overlooking the river to your right and going into the canyon. This drive is put in right below the nez Perce ,upper fireholes home of Brown trout. Up the the left side are high rocks and trees. You will have to likely pull off on dirt road 75 intersecting or another area to get out of your car. Set to the seclusion of the woods up high to search for a trail blaze. At the end of the road you hit the main road and the cascades heavy loads water high. Turn around you went too far.

          There very simple.

          • Natalie –

            Could you tell me how he went alone in there? ALONE means to me – not one other person around.

      • No you can travel down from any direction. I think it means go into whatever canyon south. nevertheless if the canyon were north it is still a simple but viable option. In my interpretation I just suggest down may imply a southern route into the canyon :). What I like about this interp is that I rarely see very simple solves. This one is so basic its a nice contrast. Chances are we need a happy medium. But I like to start simple and add detail not the other way around.

        • To me the only problem one would have with which direction to take it in the canyon down would be if at that point in the solve you are actually in the middle of a canyon. at madison junction you are at the start of a few canyons so for me i pick the one that geographically contains the following clues and go that direction. I like simple solves as well.

          • I think anyone would know which way to go – as you are heading to go below the home of Brown. Clues should be followed in precise order.

            elementary and simple

          • I like that about Madison junction as well. You have options and the clues fit pretty neatly in sequence

          • They do if you think Brown is a trout.

            I think Brown is magical and big and you will know immediately that it is correct when you find it. You will know how FF knew ——-

            I believe the poem itself is simple and direct too – but the grande finale solve is not.

            If it where that simple – it would have been found by now.

            I do not think he placed the TC in a well traveled spot.

            To precisely locate the “spot” one must do some things on paper. Then after locating the “spot” on the ground – it is not over – then the ground game (which was discovered at home) begins.

            It’s an amazing journey – with clues all along the way. I am not done – or I would say more.

          • No Brown could be a number of things not just Brown trout. In the case of Firehole Brown Trout. I’m not dead set on anyone place but I believe this is a very straightforward interpretation. It just so happens firehole fits

          • As I have gone alone with no one else into the park, facility, or anywhere else where a head count would likely be taken.

            I like that so many think that the solve will be grandiose I just don’t. I’ve had an exciting life and I love plants. When I die I just want to be under the big open sky on a hill back home in north Texas. So I’d like to think to FF simplicity is complex and grandiose. No harm

          • Let me be a little more clear by what I think “alone” means ——–

            I think there was a gate – that was locked and he had a key to it.

            I do not think he would place it in a place that millions of people visit each year.

            I also don’t think he would write about or even mention at any point – the actual place that the treasure is placed in.

            I do think that he placed many hints to the area itself in the poem and the map.

          • OK well I agree with your last half but I think the first part is a possibility but not suggested in the clues. most state parks are vast there are a number of places someone could go without being seen. it is definitely a possibility that he didn’t pick a place where millions of people go but it is a possibility that he did. any area walked up would fit as well as it is restricted or regulated

          • but I have to ask you I didn’t seem to get that he was the type of person that would encourage a family and their children to break into a location and go on an adventure that could have them arrested or injured is this something that you thought was possible I don’t mean that negatively I really do mean do you think that he gave any form of clues in blogs or interviews that suggested that

          • into there are no structures remember try keeping it very simple. he went into the plan or the canyon alone. i had some really crazy solves but with very little back up proof from the interviews or the book until we dumbed it down to the simplest solve and WHAM it came together.

          • Natalie –

            I am now beginning to realize that a lot of people are not familiar with the US Forestry.

            The Forest Service is in charge of the gate. It is only closed in the winter – and open and fully accessible to the public when the road is not full of snow. The dates of the opening and closing are published but not often followed. They simply open and close the gates according to the wetness of the ground – so people do not tear up the road. They are not closed during the summer months.

            Now, there are private inholdings (by that I mean – private lands) within the area and those people have keys. Many people have keys.

            No one is being asked to break the law – by going in there when the gate is open and I fully agree that Forrest would not ask anyone to do that.

          • I just misunderstood. I thought you were saying that the area it was in would require one to get a key or break in. But yes that would make it much easier to not be seen. Please don’t feel the need to be condescending. 🙂

          • Sorry – I didn’t mean at all to be condescending.

            I really enjoy what you write and am just trying to be helpful 🙂

          • 🙂 I’d like to find another area that fits my interp maybe in Montana or Colorado. I remind myself constantly I’m not solving where treasure is I’m solving for a mans grave.

          • yes someone else got it!!!! very few think about it as in what his original plan was and how ill he might have been.

          • Unfortunately birder I think the most difficult solves for people to accept are simple solves. Blows my mind

          • I see many people arguing about the take it go in peace and title to my gold. This is so simple. Taking anything from federal land requires declaration which means due to native American artifacts in the box u r going to likely lose a ton in declaration. Most importantly if this man puts body to die there taking the treasure is grave robbing. By law that treasure belongs to the property owner or at best his family. Removal of antiquities is something he is all to familiar with. He gave title to the hunter BC otherwise the title goes elsewhere.

          • we have been laughed at for our views on this but we have spoken to a couple of lawyers, and more forest park people etc than we care to mention. they all say that if we find it turn it over and file a claim and wait. most of them has said we will more then likely walk away with it in our hands and not have to wait. we ar kind of strange we dont care if we get to keep it or not. we just want to find it. and finding it is up to God.

          • Yeah I just like the hunt. I couldn’t ever sell the treasure so it would probably be better with someone else

          • dont miss understand me or us. we would sell it in a heart. we are sure we will get to.

          • Yes, a grave that’s true – but I don’t think that will help you find the spot. First you must think – fun and colors – not the end but the beginning. First things first.

            If I have indeed saved one person from the wrong solve 🙂 then my time here will not be wasted – and there’s a reason for that and it is – that it is so much more fun to be in the right place.

            I have said over and over on here – start by reading the poem on his web site – then read it in the book – over and over until you see the difference.

          • Huh I just posted my beginning to end. And the fact that is a grave tells one a lot. It emphasizes the emotion and sacredness of the location. One would not burry themselves under an outhouse. There must be thought to what it is we search for

          • It is a very special spot to him for many reasons. #1 is a dear friend of his. #2 It feels like home to him because of the deal he made with the waterfall in Vietnam. It also is something he saw from the air. On the ground – it is secluded, with a faint sound of water and I feel like whispering when I am there.

          • Strange, is it not? That of the myriads who
            Before us pass’d the Door of Darkness through.
            Not one returns to tell us of the Road,
            Which to discover we must travel too.

            In my explanation I describe what to you?
            A man telling of a road. The road that represents his life.

            This is significant

            Over many years he finally made peace with that waterfall. He had already went back. No need to go again. He needed understanding of what it meant. In that very story he explains that all important understanding. These lines were taken from the poem he used to summarize what he had taken from his experience that day Dec 22. They solidify my interpretation. Even if I am wrong. I appreciate you leading me back to that story. Wow.

        • into –

          you have found all this information from the poem and the book?

          your comments made me think a little harder.

          • Ua I have found all my information from the poem and the book and it is very much spelled out.

          • And into please do tell me where you can see that my interpretation does not fit BC as of right now it fits. I think someone needs to apply this interpretation and see where it takes them cz it makes very logical sense and fits the deepness of many of his stories. It doesn’t have to be firehole but I feel certain he is talking about a literal road to discovery in a metaphorical poetic manner

          • Natalie –

            I think you have the theme exactly right as does Seeker.

            His Alpha and Omega.

            I have not found all info from just the poem and the book – but I could have never found the info I needed with out the poem.

            I also used the scrapbooks for hints, art, music, other books, maps, other blogs and of course the internet – you know the WWW.

            As for the waterfall – if you get there – you have gone too far. This is not new.

            I think he used the waterfall metaphorically – and in it’s place is something else – that is sacred but not known to the average person even though it is right in their face. Once you see the area on the ground – it is unforgettable. It is something meaningful to me – and I never thought anyone else would pickup on it or even care.

          • Natalie my above statement should have read dont miss understand us. we would sell the tc in a heart beat. we just ARE NOT sure we will get a chance too. do i smell crow bbqing

    • Natilie I assume this is the comment you wanted me to reply to…….if not tell me which one.

      I think it’s a good in general solution. The trick is applying this to an actual place; which you said you have done precisely. Time to load the truck and head out.

    • Starting with number one: “He is telling us he is entering a park, reserve, or other form of designated area that would make note of who enters the premises.” Where has he told us this information? I missed where he said this. I see alot of your interpretations and not much of “solving the poem.”
      Not trying to be mean or anything, just think there is more to solving the poem rather than taking the poem for face value. IMO.

      • Charlie the point of my interpretation was to take it at face value where as it has been common place for others to do the opposite of what he tells us and twist it up making it very complex in a way no child would interpret. How I interpret this poem is based on language commonly used in giving direction or referring to plots on a trip. For instance going in there alone. One could guess a cave or a tunnel. But at this point in a poem the author informs us is in sequence we are not on foot, we are driving as he did. My interpretation only suggests the broad idea that at this point he has entered an area regulated and sectioned off. I use the park example because it was a simple fit for a regulated area that would contain waterfalls, large waters, the home of any types of Browns, roads, trail blazes, and though it isn’t mentioned Native American Heritage. I’m glad you noticed that my interpretation is taken at face value. I think it’s important for everyone to be aware that stupid simple solves that fit his language life and interests do exist. These types of interpretations need to be considered when one goes on a tangent that a child wouldn’t notice, does not follow a simple man of nature and heritage m.o., when someone picks a place no one in their right mind would put their bones, when someone searches a volcano when he said in the woods and not dangerous. People are getting stupid with this. Tell me people if his purpose was to encourage children who never seek adventure and sit on their butts all day to get out and explore with their families what good would it do if a child died, if the solve made no sense to a kid, if someone was arrested…no good. BC these people would have learned to stay home where it is safe on their couches with their iPads. I’m not saying if one isn’t careful they wouldn’t face possible injury. I think that is possible in your own kitchen. However I am saying it is in a fairly safe area where an eighty year old man carrying heavy weight would feel secure he could make two back and forth trips from his vehicle safely without serious fear of accidental death that would leave his last testament…Forrest fenn found dead with backpack with bronze chest on a rocky crag pecked by vultures…his truck filled with artifacts and gold. that would not say much of his legacy. He knew that. He knew two trips was doable. If he needed to dive under some axes run from a boulder and cave dive with bigfoot he probably wouldn’t take two trips. Lol. Think simple

      • BTW charlie you can see my interpretation you can see my one example that fits my interpretation perfectly you can see my supporting quotes and my application of other clues but you can’t see my solve. Hmmm. I don’t know how else to put it dear. I have one solid solve I have mentioned. I will not search until I have one in Montana and Colorado.

        • I guess I should post my solve. So long with line by line. Oh well, Dal, do I email you or what?

  20. Hi all , I just got back from a 4 day recon of Yellow Stone in Wyoming and Montana as well as Bozeman Montana. Me and My son Zack tracked from ,
    Ojo Calianti , to the Fire hole , to Fire Hole Canyon , to Bakers Hole , from there to Hebgen Lake , you name it where F was we went. I have got a real good feel for the park as well as West Yellow Stone. I barely made some of the hikes , due to some physical conditions I have , but for the most part I managed. Thanks Dal for pointing me in a great direction , thats for sure. I will be heading back there after NM.
    I will have to admit , the park is very magnetic as far as the Poem is concerned. I like the strings there for sure. I also will have to admit , Bozeman has my full attention , as well as Taos Nm. Taos , for some amazing reasons that I just cannot say . You see , my method to finding the chest is elimination. Not just by going there , but by matching the area to the rules of the Chase.I saw some convincing stuff in Wyoming . But some of the areas can be lost to floods , mud slides, and Earth Quakes.
    Forrest lost a lot of memories in Yellow Stone , simply because he can visit a place in Hebgen where his family made a lot memories. That area has been lost to a Earth quake in the past years. That would be a possible WWH … Heading towards where he and Donny were lost in the woods. If I was right I believe I found that area he emerged from the forrest. Quite a place to be lost… I would not want to get lost in there… Any way , I’m sorry I don’t post my solves any more. I would love to share and after as is said and done on my part and I don’t find it in the ares that Im going back to , then I will put all my data out here for every one.
    But for know all my data connects together and to give one Idea out would give away all I have learned to this point. All I feel is left for me to do , is connect the circumstances together . I think this is a mirrored poem , in other words there was 2 ways I feel F was going to hide the chest. One pertains to a secret he is keeping and the other is what he used to secret the chest. I found that he likes common word locks . Using terms like ” in it” and it in , twisting the concept to the thinking of most of us in a way to keep us from seeing whats is most likely right in front of us the whole time…. Well all of course OIMO as always , good luck

    • Mr.D,

      I had thought of Fenn and Donny’s trip as well… kinda falls in line with R. Osborne and J. Meek type of Mountain Men Blazing the wiles of Nature idea.

      I would be very interested in your story and hope you do post it.

      • amy none of the searchers have lost anything and have gained all kinds of things. we have all benefited from our searches and acquired new skills, friends, knowledge, new ideas, better map reading, spelling, reading new book we never would have, research, learning to turning our ideas into readable statement(well some of us more than others) there have been so much more than i can think of. i hope i never regret our searching and i know i have made friends that i hope that time and space will not stop. tc or no tc our lives have been enriched.

  21. Forrest, I had a lady English teacher from a college here on my table today. She asked why I was in Colorado, I told her for an adventure and I explained it to her. She said I think I will do a speech on that subject. I asked what for her class, she said no we take the the speeches to the Nationals. I hope her Speech wins 🙂 🙂

  22. I got to share this: Today while driving to San Fran, southbound Hwy 101 around Santa Rosa, I see a truck with custom ‘vanity’ plates that read: get this “FLYWATR” I took it as a sign to have my local library order the original edition and not the new one.

  23. Wouldn’t a furnace be a nice blaze – what if the blaze at one point was a furnace ? lol FF I am going to get that chest 🙂

  24. Clue #3 No place for the meek = Devil’s Causeway in the Flattops of Colorado. Amy is that where you were searching? Stillwater Lake where waters Halt. Have to figure out if those waters are warm.! Solve in the works!

  25. In addressing the question of what “Where warm water halts” means, I asked myself a question. What defines ‘warm waters’. Is it created as the result of its’ location? Or is it the result of it’s physical makeup. Everyone has voiced an opinion of possible locations, but not of physical makeups.

    Before I delved into the second option, I asked myself, what in Fenn’s personal history would possibly make him knowledgeable in the area of water. Then it dawn on me. Fenn’s military background as a pilot would provide the answer for me. Afterall, I always looked at the poem as an embodiment of Fenn’s past history and experiences. Being a former Marine, I remembered the training program I went through for ‘drown proofing’. I was certain that at least the Navy and the Air Force had similar programs. It would be important to any pilots flying over the open seas, when they found themselves without a raft and would have to stay afloat until they were rescued (yes, I’ve considered their vests, but knowledge of their surroundings is important as well).

    This brings me to the second option, physical makeup of the water.

    Most everyone knows that by adding salt to water, it will reach the boiling point sooner. If you look at the heat capacity of salt water, you will find that it is less than pure water. In other words, it takes less energy to raise the temperature of the salt water 1°C than pure water. This means that the salt water heats up faster and eventually gets to its boiling point first.

    Why does salt water have a lower heat capacity? If you look at 100 grams of pure water, it contains 100 grams of water, but 100 grams of 20 percent salt water only contains 80 grams of water. The other 20 grams is the dissolved salt. The heat capacity of dissolved salt is almost zero when compared to the high heat capacity of water. This means that the heat capacity of a 20-percent salt solution is 80 percent that of pure water. Twenty percent salt water will heat up almost 25 percent faster than pure water and will win the speed race to the boiling point. Not to digress, but this adds a new dimension to WWWH, that being physical makeup of the water.

    • I was reading an article on hot water freezing faster than cold. Pretty neat stuff in the right conditions.

      • Natalie,

        My point was that Colorado has a lot of “Warm water” plants called desalination plants. They take the salt out of the water and then release it back into the rivers. Thus, we have Warm water halting (salt being removed) and then the water continues on its’ course.

        • Wow, no kidding? Desal plants in Colorado? Cool! Can you provide a link, I’d like to read about it.



          • germanguy,

            Thanks for the search text, but the Paradox Valley facility is not actually a desalination plant. You know that desalination is the removal of minerals (usually salt) from water (usually sea water), to make the water suitable for human consumption or agricultural purposes. The purpose is usually to get clean drinking water.

            The Paradox Valley facility basically intercepts salt water before it reaches the Colorado River, then pipes it to another facility 20 miles away, where the salt is removed through evaporation.

            If you’re aware of any actual desalination plants in Colorado I’d be interested in reading about them.

            I’ve read that Colorado is considering building desalination plants in Calif. and trading that water for some of Calif’s share of the Colorado River water, but no agreements have been made yet.


          • There is a one in Golden Colorado. I believe the name of the company is Coors. A town named Golden hints of riches don’t you think.

          • JDH,

            There are 9 wells along the Paradox Valley (going east to west. The brine is pumped out, lowering both the salt field and the fresh surface water as well. The brine is then pumped into deep old oil wells, as well as evaporation ponds (as you have noted), but the ponds are an alternative, as the wells are only expected to have a life-time of 3-5 years, which I believe they have reached by now. The surface water from the Delores is further filtered and then returned to the rivers normal flow. Check out this link, as it will provide you with additional info as well as graphics:

  26. OuO, you said, ‘what a better place than Indian land’ to look for treasure.

    If planning to do so, consider that Native American Reservation lands are their own country or nation with a complex set of tribal laws mixed with U.S. Federal Government laws. Permits are required and strict laws regulate what you can remove from THEIR lands.

    It’s only my opinion, but if Forrest hid gold on tribal lands, he meant for that tribe to keep it and benefit from it. Searchers who are not citizens of the tribe would be prohibited from recovering (and possibly searching) for treasure trove on na soil.

    This article from Tulsa Law Journal discusses basic treasure trove law, although each state differs. It also addresses 1979 ARPA law (protection of antiquities, including Indian artifacts on federal land and reservation land)

      • Intetesting OuO, are you searching on the Cherokee reservation in North Carolina? Or is there another in the search area states?

    • Sissel please do not take children with you to take from the reservations. I don’t support this theory it is in very poor taste. Best of luck please respect your fellow brother.

      • Hey Natalie, you might want to actually read my post before stating my theory is in bad taste or involves children. I can only guess that you quickly responded without reading it or giving thought to it. Did you read it at all?

        My statement says that Native American lands are THEIR LANDS AND RESPECT THEIR LAWS. Furthermore I have stated I would never look on their land and IMO if Forrest hid it on an Indian reservation he left his treasure for their benefit out of respect for their culture.

        • Sissel my apologies I guess knowing that he didn’t leave it for only the native Americans I jumped to a conclusion. On the other hand I have family in lame deer mt and I’m pretty sure they would not take kindly to any treasure hunting on their land and it would be wrong to take anything at all from their land without them giving it. Anyhow I’m sorry

          • No worries Natalie. No searcher should be looking for treasure on native lands unless they are part of those people’s nation. That is precisely what I was stating.

  27. For anyone who cares to visit, I have posted my Straightforward Solution to Forrest Fenn’s Poem here. It is time for me to say goodbye. I feel I have solved the poem and my work here is done. I am unable to search myself but I wish you all good luck. =)

    • Ramona I like your solution…..I can see you put a lot of work into it. You did a great job of writing and your illustrations are wonderful. I wish you would send it in to Dal along with your pictures so we could post it with the other searchers solutions. It would be a great addition to our collection. If you don’t want to allow comments on your solution we can turn those off.

      I hate to see you leave, please do stop by and say hey once in awhile. And who knows you may have a revelation and come up with a whole new solution to discuss with us.

    • Ramona, very interesting and we’ll thought out… you have a lot of good points… Very sad about Robert Skully though… thought he was still riding bikes and swimming?

      • Spallies, Thank you. I am not sure of what you are referring to as far as Robert Skully. I only mentioned Robert Sully and Robert Sallee pronounced as Sully.

    • That did not seem straight forward at all. It seemed very random. But I can see where one could get some of those interpretations with a lot of hard work. Good luck Ramona. Did u by chance solve the poem before picking a location you thought was fitting? Or see if different places fit?

      • I found this location after one failed boots on the ground attempt. Reread all the information available and thought about it. Everything seemed to point to this area. Thank you and good luck to you.

        • Ramona –

          Excellent solve ! Thank you for posting it.

          On your BOG search – did you dig under the “X”?

          • Thanks into, no, my BOG search was in a completely different area. There was no X there. And I don’t condone digging, just searching in the wood. You may have to lift or move a log or two, But considering the remoteness of the hidey spot, I don’t think it will be that hard to find. Take the flashlight and shine into the nooks and cranny’s of the rubble and you can probably see the treasure chest.

    • Very thorough and interesting solve Ramona. You have made some perceptive connections to the books that clearly took a lot of thought and effort. I hope someone takes you up on your invitation to do the search so you can get the ultimate feedback about your solve and perhaps see photos from the spot to compare them to what you envision. You must have been jazzed when you saw that Fern Mt. turned into Fenn Mt. when you zoomed in on GE. Thanks for sharing it.

      • Thanks Raven, The funny thing is the Fern/Fenn Mtn in Montana and the Fern/Fenn Mtn is Colorado both do the same thing. I just don’t understand why. It is a mystery to me. Maybe I should ask the Google people. Good luck Raven.

    • Hi Romona,
      Thank you for sharing. I really like the Fenn Mountain and tower/fire references. Good luck with seeing this through to the end.

    • Ramona, great solve! A lot of good historical information and you tie a lot of the stories and characters, sketches in nicely. Could you answer a couple of questions please? 1). Are you one of the folks who had emailed FF in the past with your solve ideas who may have been ‘close’ and didn’t know it? 2). Did you apply the same reasoning to the other Fenn Mt in CO? IMO the one thing he regrets saying isn’t that he worked on FS trails, it’s something else, but I can’t find it now. I only find a quote and it may be a misquote. Looking at the archived blogs here from 2 – 3 years ago, the earlier searchers were privy to personal email replies from FF, something that most of us can’t get now. Once again, I’m learning and can see how the successful searcher will use the poem/clues and stories to combine into a new story of riches new and old. One other question please, you mentioned with some confidence that a person will be able to keep the TC and to not have to worry about reporting the find, could you share your legal understanding on finding/reporting and keeping a treasure trove in the state of MT on Fed. Land? What percent would the estimated taxes be to the IRS?

      • Hi Cholly,

        Thank you. In answer to your questions,

        1. I did email Forrest my solve. But not until after he made that comment. So no, I do not believe I was “close” and didn’t know it.

        2. Yes, I did also apply the same reasoning to Fenn Mtn in Co. But it is Spread Mtn that identifies Fenn Mtn in Montana as the correct one.

        As far as the legal issues of the treasure chest being found in a National Forest, I searched the information on the Forest Service website. I found where it said you have to do paperwork, try to notify the owner, etc. I did not bookmark the exact page. In my surgical technology training we had a saying “you don’t have to remember everything, you just have to remember where to find it”. So I know I found it on the Forest Service website but I’m lousy at keeping an exact record of where i find things.

        I don’t know what percent of estimated taxes one would have to pay. I have always been one for doing things on the up and up. But at the same time there are smart ways of doing things and less smart ways of doing things. I usually learn by taking the less smart route. 🙁 Since I’m not getting my hands on that treasure chest, I’ll let whoever does decide how they’re going to handle it.

        • @Ramona, Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. I’m one who feels there is more than one way to skin a cat, I’m into parapsychology and dead reckoning because I can’t solve the poem! lol! The TC is there, just waiting to be found, the odds have to be better than trying to win a state lottery. I’ll cross the reporting issue if and when, a lot depends on what all is really in there and value, etc.

  28. Thank you Ramona, Such an interesting read, so many nails in that coffin!
    I too am an armchair searcher, and so happy to have this hunt to focus on, but yours really knocked the wind out of me. I wish you well, and do hope you pop in from time to time. Your contributions, observations and analysis were always interesting and sound. And welcome. Thanks.

    • Thank you OS. Being an armchair searcher is full of frustration. But it can sure keep your mind busy. Good luck to you OS.

    • Kelly –

      You might want to look up the range of pinion pines. I don’t think they grow that far north.

        • He said pine needles and pinion nuts. I’m not going to argue that issue, it’s been discussed enough on the blogs.

        • Cholly, It depends on whether one wants to take FF at his word that he misspoke when he referred to the smell of pinion pine nuts at the location of the chest or whether you think he accidentally gave an important clue. As FF noted, pinion nuts do not smell–the fragrance comes from the pitch and needles. The folks who look in Colo and NM predictably believe that this statement excludes most of Wy and Mt and the folks who search Wy and Mt think his retraction keep those states in play. I see the whole issue to be a distraction more than a “clue” to anything other than to reaffirm that FF is indeed human. As with many other words that crop up in this search did he mean Pinyon, pinion, or pine, etc. Folks clearly hear what they want or expect to hear.

          • @Raven oops, sorry should have read down! okay then enough on smell of pinion pine nuts and where the heck they don’t grow! Still a good solve, reminded me of an abandoned Fire Tower in MS I knew about and would climb the hundreds of steps to the locked trap door to look around. I think I remember hearing about the tower burning and the irony of it. I guess Dale wouldn’t be searching in MT if smell of pinion mattered! Thanks!

  29. Sorry that was a typo… I was thinking you were saying that Robert Sully had passed away…

    That made me think of the speed bump Bob Sully and Kate
    in it Kate Sully makes this comment:

    kate sutherland sully
    on December 25, 2014 at 3:41 pm said:
    Bob is doing very well swimming and cycling most days to stay fit and healthy. And yes he is much taller than I am.

    Sorry for the confusion…

    • No worries spallies. I just thought you were hitting the wine without me. LOL just kidding. I’m not going to start drinking until I’m 60.

      • Generally, missing from most peoples solves is a definitive list of the “9 clues”. I think this is kind of an acid test as to whether a solution fulfills Fenns promise that only the poem is needed. It would appear you used nearly every line in the poem and a lot of other material besides.

        Can you succinctly list the 9 clues from the poem that lead a person to this spot?

        • 1 Begin it where warm waters halt
          2 And take it in the canyon down,
          3 Not far, but too far to walk.
          4 Put in below the home of Brown.

          5 From there it’s no place for the meek,
          6 The end is ever drawing nigh;
          7 There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
          8 Just heavy loads and water high.

          9 If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,

          straight out of the poem
          basically 9 places

          • I agree with your list of the nine clues. What other hints do you see in the poem?

            I think these are the additional hints:
            Gone alone
            Hint of riches new and old
            Worth the cold
            Brave and in the wood

            Do you see any other potential hints?

          • Decall/Ramona,

            Sure Decall, that’s a common list. The question was whether Ramona can provide a list and show how those lines alone fit together to get her to her Center Ridge Fire lookout.

            I’m betting she can’t do it.

          • Well I thought I did but for those who need to see it numbered out, it goes like this.

            1. Begin it where warm waters halt – Begin at the City of Ovando, MT

            2. And take it in the canyon down – Take Monture Creek Rd, Forest Service Rd toward the canyon.

            3. Not far, but too far to walk – Approx 8.25 miles

            4. Put in below the home of Brown – Turnoff onto Woodworth Seeley Lake Rd

            5. The end is ever drawing nigh – Look for the road that draws nigh – turnoff onto Center Ridge Rd

            6. If you’ve been wise and found the blaze – Look for Center Ridge Trail #246

            7. Look quickly down your quest to cease – Go up to the place you can look down from the burned down lookout tower.

            8. But tarry scant with marvel gaze – Search the rubble

            9. Just take the chest and go in peace. You’ve found the treasure chest leave in peace. Don’t destroy Forrest’s special hiding place.

          • YSREBOB
            People rarely agree with me, which seems odd to me because my solve is so simple. For example, I believe wwwh is on the cover of tftw. FF has said where that is. He has said where tftw is (see the preface). The rest of my solve is quite spectacular and better than anything I’ve read on the blogs. The only thing I can give now is that I agree with others who see the beginning and end like a mirror… like the shadow man is standing at the beginning AND the end. The other idea people mess up is thinking the omegas are close together or not of value… they are the doors at each end. (deep thinkers understand this)
            I like to look at other searchers thinking… I like Ramona’s style, still Fenn Mtn. is not good enough for his legacy nor is Forest Creek… FF is more brilliant.

        • Ramona,
          Well if I read your opening remarks correctly, you used the last line in the poem, and then all of the first stanza to identify a “starting point (alpha)” did confirmations with Amelia Earhart, and a reference to the city motto.

          “So in the first stanza we have the starting point, a nearby reference to verify that we have the CORRECT Fenn Mtn…… ”

          It sounds to me like you had 5-6 clues in the first stanza, the last line in the last stanza, and a couple huge leaps of faith before you get to WWWH. This would seem to be information that is “moving you closer to the gold”.

          So can you please explain how WWWH gets me to the city of Ovando all by itself (since you say this is really your first clue).

          • Since there are 24 lines in the peom and only 9 clues we know not every line is a clue. I think all the lines are important but I guess I’m leaning toward the lines that require BOG as actual clues.

            So no if you pick out one phrase of the poem and try to explain how you got there without the use of all the other info in the poem it’s not going to make sense. But I see what your saying so an alternate to satisfy what you want would be.

            1. I give you title to the gold – Fenn Mtn

            2. I can keep my secret where – Spread Mtn

            3. Begin it where warm waters halt – Ovando, MT

            4. Take it in the canyon down – Monture Creek Rd

            5 Put in below the home of Brown – Turn onto Woodworth Seeley Lake Rd/Dunham Creek Rd

            6. The end is ever drawing nigh – Turnoff onto Center Ridge Rd

            7. If you’ve been wise and found the blaze – Look for Center Ridge Trail #246

            8. Look quickly down your quest to cease – Go up to the lookout tower

            9. If you are brave in and the wood – Search in the wood

            You said “I’m betting she can’t do it.” well I did it twice now. I didn’t say it was right or wrong or the only way. Who cares if you have the 9 clues exactly right as long as you’re following the poem and have done your research.

    • Lucky those searchers got the help they needed after such a turn of events. Be safe out there folks!

      • that why we have been hiking in our area and getting grandson to hike. but in their defense hubby walked into a building during heavy rain and fell hurting his shoulder and me i tripped over a garden hose a few years ago in my own yard causing me to have to have surgery. there is no excuse for wearing wrong kind of shoes and socks tho. we carry mole skin for blisters and other items just in case. grand son is going to be breaking a new pair of boot starting this weekend.

    • Well, if you’re gonna be stupid, you gotta be tough.

      Apparently they have some sort of learning disability. This is the second time around for them.

      Rose and Taylor put themselves in a similar predicament back in June 2013. In that instance, they reportedly set out on a day hike from the Jim Mountain Trailhead but became lost and reportedly spent four days wandering the backcountry. The couple ultimately made their way to the bank of Big Creek near the Star Hill Ranch (just north of the Grizzly Ranch at the end of Road 6BU) and summoned help. Rose and Taylor were uninjured in that instance, but because of their exhaustion, they had to be helped across the creek’s swift waters by Search and Rescue personnel.

  30. imo – the only place you will need bog – is in the wood and to where the chest is – cause forrest drove there – missing wwwh – hob – hlwh the blaze like him we just need to know is – what they are and where they are – and drive there

  31. University of MD Dept of Geology posted a comical look at ancient man which fits the Fenn Tribe.

    “Homo poeticus”: The Poets. All human cultures include poets: people who tell stories in verse Fenn, MichaelD, Focussed, CindyM, Spallies, and gang
    “Homo opifex”: The Artisans. All human cultures decorate their tools to some degree, and have objects whose function is decoration itself. And many decorate their bodies, DG, Sweet Tea, Amy, JC1117’s wife, 23Kachinas
    “Homo maritimus”: The Sailors. Navyigator, PirateofGold
    “Homo cicuritor”: The Tamers. taming wild animals (us) Goofy & Dal
    “Homo venator”: The Hunters. The Wolf; Locolobo
    “Homo piscator”: The Fishers/The Fly Fishers: Forrest, Slurbs, Germanguy, MichaelD, Dal, the rest of us claim to be anyway.
    “Homo vagus”: The Wanderers. The Fenn tribe

    • LOL!!

      Homo venator:

      Homo venator means “Hunter man,” and indeed it was. Homo venator was not the most intelligent of early humans, but it was a survivor.

      Lia, are you casting aspersions upon the Wolf?? 🙂 🙂 I knoooow I’m the smart one!!

      oh yeah, this is nine clues!! Stay on topic, stay on topic, loco! 🙂

      “the answer(s) I already know” -> “has connected all the dots” …….any “dots” where you guys are searching??? 🙂

      • Locolobo, today I connected dots in the poem, tonight I enjoyed reading about the Anzik site and Ice Free Corridor all evening. I love history and once visited a museum in Helena, MT that houses Anzik Clovis points. Since my solution incorporates glacial valleys I’m trying to link ‘the place’ dear to ff to archaelogy and a person. I like the numbers at this point in my solve, but never feel finished or confident. Can I have a box of DOTS candy please?

        Back to Nine Clues:

        I’m trying to get’er done in 6 moves…
        Begin WWWH
        Canyon Down NFBTFTW
        Find Blaze 1
        Put In Below HOB
        Stand on X
        Find Blaze 2
        Sieze that chest!

        Please don’t howl loudly tonight, I need a good night’s rest.

        • I’m trying to link ‘the place’ dear to ff ……


          1. ≡beloved,,, close,,, valued, favourite, respected, prized, dearest, sweet, treasured, precious, darling, intimate, esteemed, cherished, revered

          Good Luck to Ya, lia!! 🙂

          • locolobo i have posted this before as a wild bird watcher i have a bunch of places i love to bird watch. about a month ago i asked hubby where my favorite birding place was and he couldn’t name it. oh he name several but not THE ONE and we have been married 18 yrs. we think fenns place is like that. there are hints in the book but it is not in Yellowstone we think its in NM because of an interview where he said Santa Fe has been good to me and he said it with such emotion. BOG in aug 53 then the crow bbq. lol

          • Loco, thank for the definition reminder. When I re-think what ff said in that interview, I believe the words he chose were “a place very, very special to him..or he couldn’t have done it” >Paraphrased.
            (but I don’t think he said dear). Iater, I’ll work on connecting dots.

          • Loco, I forgot to ask you what the 3 stacked parallel lines indicate? I’ve never seen that used with definitions.

          • LOL!! Lia, I had to go look at the post to see what the heck you were talking about!! 🙂

            I have no idea what the lines indicate. Apparently the dictionary that I “borrowed” from had them on it….and I don’t remember which dictionary it was!!! 🙂

          • Lia,
            In mathematics the triple bar is used for an equivalence relation.
            In the context that loco quoted, it probably means “definition”.

          • Hi Decall,
            Who knows if anything in my solve is correct. But, I think there could be one blaze (ie: X or U or OO) which occurs more than once along the trail to the treasure. In my solution I solve the poem 3 times to achieve 3 map overlays. Regional location, local location, specific location. Or nail the exact coordinates and find one blaze. I’m a poem/map purist until the end. My spot could have been found with poem and 2 maps, but g.e. confirms it.

          • Hey Decall, I guess it’s possible. If you take the word blaze as “b” laze,maybe a marking of a lazy “b” or lazy “2”.
            If you take w=efo, then you get something that looks like what Lia pointed out, “oo” but with a line thru the middle. Like the Greek letter “Theta” twice. Could be a marking on a tree, and a boulder next to tree, either one, still have to look down. I guess.
            As soon as I can get this solve out to Dal, I’ll show you what I think.

      • Locolobo, I checked out the image I keep of my spot and I see one distinct dot. Thinking about it, a period is a dot of sorts. What if it also signifies THE END? That is really interesting. There are a few other interesting things within my spot. If I remember to do so, I will share what the other things are come Sunday. Meanwhile, my search day is tomorrow! I will leave home today. So that I don’t leave a trail, my last post to the blog will be from my home today. What time? We’ll see.

        • Ha!!! (borrowed that from Jason! 🙂 )

          Alright Slurbs!!! And where else would you “tired and weak”, than at THE END??

          Good Luck to Ya (hope you find the dang thing!!) 🙂 ………..loco

          • Locolobo, in my solve you are only tired at the beginning and end. Not in the middle though, that’s where I will be weak. Think of it like an in and out loop. The start is also the end. You can go out to get the chest, but you are not done until you get back to your starting point.
            Lia020, I have not been out on a solve hunt of my own since about 10 months ago! I wish it were not the case. It’s ok though, the search drought for me gave a lot of time for me to put on my thinking cap. Today, other plans took precedence over chasing. I have yet to head toward where I believe the nine clues come together. Hunt day, BOG, is still tomorrow.

    • That is truly deep thinking lia. I love the parallels you drew and love being part of the Fenn tribe. Thank you for that! 🙂

    • Lia – You think like a collector who labels everything meticulously. You could go into game programming with that sophisticated level of logic.

      • 23kachinas – thanks for the compliment, but that’s the laugh of the week! I enjoy logic but can’t program my way out of my closet. When the computer screen goes to just two colors showing, I get out of the room fast. Give me fun, and color my world with flowers not…ioioioioooii

        Probably why I enjoy your colorful avatars so much:-)

        • Lia, a little Blue bird medicine meaning for you…

          Blue bird people are learning to embrace the beauty, love and happiness that lives within themselves. Bluebirds are considered a sign of spring and a symbol of happiness and love.

          The Indians considered them sacred because their blue color was like the sky. The Cherokee and the Pima Indians believed that at one time bluebirds were white or grey, then one day Bluebird found a lake up in the mountains. When Bluebird bathed in it, her feathers turned as blue as the sky.

          Bird people should remember that all birds are messengers from Great Spirit.

        • 23Kachinas,
          TYVM from my blue bird’s heart to yours! .:*:. I hummed IZ’s happy melody and let my heart soar today…when I wasn’t working on my solve, of course 🙂

          • Lia – Happy your bluebird heart can soar today, it’s meant to fly to music as beautiful as IZ and Nina Simone.

        • Lia, I couldn’t even program my way IN to the closet, let alone out! Lol! Birds of a feather, my friend! 🙂

    • Dal you know what bothers me about Yellowstone NP saying treasure hunters destroy the park natural landscape, we’ll have they looked at that big complex at Old Faithful? I know Lewis and Clark didn’t stay in there when they passed by.

    • Listening to the park officials reminds me if the first and last “Neighborhood Watch” meeting I went to in my old neighborhood. The first half of the meeting was a long diatribe by some folks who were complaining about and trying to figure out how to keep kids from using the neighborhood park. You know, those kids who play and MAKE noise for goodness sake and some of them didn’t even live in the neighborhood! What?? How dare Fenn trovers visit Yellowstone park!! Surely they are the ONLY ones who visit who do anything annoying or against the rules. They should be branded with an FF! Holy cow, they have had a handful of problems out of probably thousands of visits from searchers. The rangers should think more clearly and realize that without visitors for whatever reason, they would not have a job. Geez…..

      • digging up the ground and chopping down a tree is inexcusable. leaving trash and not caring about the land is not what the chase is about. paying more respect to the people we pay to take care of these lands and protect and defend them

        • Look, where in my comment do you see where I excuse bad behavior? My criticism is directed at park officials who disparage all searchers because of the bad conduct of a few. Do they have a lot of stupid people coming to the park doing stupid things? Of course,The incident reports each year are many, people diving into scalding water, rock climbing in flip flops, peaking over the edge of waterfalls and falling to their death, taking selfies with moose, buffaloes and bears, going into the wilderness without knowing what their doing, starting fires, etc. Yes, some are searchers, some are bird watchers, some are men, some are women, some are families with kids, etc. and to try and lay blames on one “group” is wrong. Most importantly, their repeated attempts to suggest that searchers are not welcome is NOT part of their job.

          • Ramona –

            I so agree with you.

            Also I did not like that one Ranger said – he better not have buried his treasure here. ( I don’t have the exact quote.) Sounded like a threat to me …….. and not very nice.

            Perhaps those Rangers need some training on how to deal with a new happening in the woods – such as a treasure hunt.

            This is our land, not only their land and we should be able to use it, with some common sense.

    • Are there really people cutting down trees, in a National Park? How long of a hike did Forrest make to hide the treasure? None of our “walks” have been over an hour each way.

    • Maybe the Yellowstone officials are being a little hard on searchers, BUT we don’t really know the extent of damage being done. Most of the people on this blog respect the land and would never do those kind of things. But there aren’t 30,000 individual posters on this blog. We don’t know about the things the other 95% might do.

      Yes, the park rangers need visitors to have a job, but there are more than enough tourists outside of searchers that provided them a job before the search and there will be more than enough tourists after the search.

      No one wants idiots making their job harder and ruining the stuff they are required to protect. Think about it, if you were a garbage collector, and there was one knucklehead that refused to use a bin, and bears came along every time and ripped apart the bags, which not only ruined the garbage man’s day, but yours too, because of all the stuff you had to pick up when you got home from your own job. And it affects the whole neighborhood, because it makes the whole neighborhood smell like your kids poopy diapers.

      Maybe that’s how the park rangers feel when they see searchers ripping apart the park they love and are sworn to protect.

      The point is, maybe we shouldn’t judge something or someone before we know the WHOLE story.

      • You’re right, Mindy!
        “We shouldn’t judge something or someone before we know the WHOLE story.”
        This should also apply to the news reporters, who wish to sensationalize everything. They think their job is to stir up dissension.

      • mindy i couldnt agree more with you. we went camping in cimmaron canyon at gravel pits. a guy came in late a lady gave him the info on how to store his ice chest. he blow her off telling her he would leave strapped to the bumper. he endanger each and everyone of us when a bear came in to the camp to tear his stuff up. i love to see people tear a wrapper off and throw it out a window of their car or drop it on the ground.

    • I just don’t get why people can’t be safe. She broke her ankle thank god it wasn’t her back. People need to think about Forrest and what he has said. Don’t go where a 79 or 80 year old man could not take it. This was their second incident with search and rescue. Are they famous enough yet? I do understand things happen, I hope she heals fast to get back on the hunt. I just hope she does it safer next time. This kind of thing tarnishes the Thrill of the chase. I hope people will listen to Forrest and be safe out there. Happy hunting all J B

    • If the treasure is even in Jellystone Park? Right! I would suggest going there, if you think its there, go in the early spring or late fall. Even than many people, but less. Its a Awesome Place! I like to pretend I think its there, just so I can go hunt all around again.
      But Please be safe! IMO, think forrest secreted it away in a sweet little place, way far from the Tourists. But than again, who knows? All I know is that he is laughing……most of the time.

      Lou Lee, is my name, treasure hunting is my game.

  32. Game Warden in New Mexico dreamed up a couple new laws for my visit. If you have a fishing pole in New Mexico, you must have a license. Also, BLM doesn’t want you taking any pictures of nature. Yep, no lie. Got to love those in uniform who have insecurities.

  33. So have I become obsessed if I got back Tuesday from searching and am already planning the next adventure? One of our hunches took us to an area where there was a school with water towers. Possibly “Heavy loads and water high”?

    • I think EXCITED is when you are making plans for your next trip soon after you return.
      I think OBSESSED is when your take out a mortgage on your house to pay for your next trip.

      • Dal, Did Amy send you here solve. If so did you post it? I was so interested in her search. As a owl hoots out side my window I wonder how that hunt turned out. Thanks Dal

      • No mortgage…..yet. First trip helped me rule out 6 of 8 areas. Also allowed me to confirm 2 areas need more physical research. Only one more trip planned. This time I can hopefully catch more Tiger Muskie on the way home, not using 4 pd line and trout lures. lol

    • Hammer 13x – I’ve actually flown back to a spot a week later… and by Dal’s definition – I’m still not obsessed 🙂 Ha!

          • Top O’ the mornin’ to ye’ lia! Me travels cross though five states! 🙂

          • Ach Jdiggins, thats a wee bit far and away for a bonnie lass to travel. Did ye make it a family affair?

            Here’s my “staying on topic” info “so I don’t get the boot”…

            There are 9 clues. If 9 comes before 10 (10 being completion or TC; then cluealogically speaking we should see a blaze resembling 9 before the tc shines. Ancient circles are a universal statement about the continuation of life and life beyond the grave. Eyes,OO, 99, 66, @@, ee>concentrics, Omegas, Thetas, Sixes (indicate FF and are the mirror image of 99). etc. Since a complete rainbow is a circle, I believe the final blaze is a form of circle.

  34. I just posted a long reply to Lia on the post about Dal being almost live. It should probably have been posted here. So…sorry bout that.

    I’m not keeping any more of MY secrets. If anyone says something or wonders about something, and I have an idea, I’m going to reply, no matter how close I might think it is to the chest. I’ll try to help anyone I can.

    I would personally like to see the chest found in my lifetime. It probably won’t be by me, so why shouldn’t I try to help the one who is meant to find it? 🙂

    • And to tag on to my Mount Moran theory, Thor Peak, Triple Glaciers, Skillet Glacier, String Lake, and more are all in the vicinity. 🙂

    • Maybe it’s meant for YOU Mindy? 🙂 You certainly have a lot of great ideas!

        • Thanks, Spallies and J…but it probably won’t be me.

          It’d be great, but I think the person who finds it will have a lot easier access to those states than I do. 🙂

    • Mindy,

      I’m not sure sure about the 4/5 theory, but I am (and have been) on board with the “every sentence is a clue” theory. I especially like the clue pairs and the example you gave with Dry Boulder Creek/Upper Boulder Lake clue.

      I’m interested to see what your WWWH solve will be since I have always thought of this as being a clue pair myself. I posted this idea over on the WWWH thread a while back, but never got a response. I’ll post it here and maybe you will tell me what you think.

      My interpretation – since Fenn is already known to use water/waters interchangeably in reference to a singular object, I view “waters” as a singular “water”. (See page 102 in TToTC – …rushing waters of THE spring creek…)

      With that in mind we get – Begin it where warm water halts it AND takes it in the canyon down. As you see, I have added an “s” to halt and take to show what the sentence structure of a SINGULAR “water” would look like. It works even if you don’t alter it; I did so for illustration.

      So, my WWWH does two things. It halts it and then it takes it.

      Also, the fact that you got “Ennis Draw” from your red letter theory is spectacular. Three rocks got this back in June with Ennis Lake, and I think we all had Ennis Draw for a while simply by sounding out the clue with a lazy “D”.

      Speaking of sounding out clues – “go in piece” sounds a lot like go Wimpys. Wimpys Knob is just south of the Thor Peak you mentioned in your search area.

      BTW – I am referring to Mindy’s post over on

      Scott W.

      • Hey q1werty2,
        I personally like to define the words in the poem. For me it helps with interpreting it. By definition the word “waters” can only refer to a singular water source, it never refers to multiple rivers, creeks, etc. I’m not disagreeing with anything you are saying, just pointing out that waters always refers to a singular object, and while they do have similar meanings, I think he specifically used the phrase “warm waters halt” rather than “warm water halts” for a reason.

        • Seabeote88,

          Thanks for the reply. I know it can seem to be a stretch, but I was trying to give an example of a “clue pair”. An example solve for the above clue pair I mentioned might be Glacier Lake. The warm water of the lake halts (melts) the glacier, then takes it in the canyon below.

          From an old solve – Another pair that I derived for the canyon is:
          1. Not far.
          2. Too far to walk.

          The town of Ten Sleep could possibly fit this since it got it’s name for being 10 sleeps away from Buffalo. In today’s view of distance, it’s not far, but too far to walk.

          On a separate note from that same solve, I ws thinking that perhaps Fenn was giving us direction of travel in the fact that he did it tired. Ten Sleep seemed to fit being tired.

          I figure since we are laying it out there, I would at least throw out some of my reasoning.

          I also believe the blaze is a clue pair, but I’m holding on to that one for now. 🙂

          For Goofy – Above is opinion and discussion, and is not by any means conveyed as fact.

          Scott W.

      • Thanks Scott,

        I actually got ENNIS DRAINING NIGH, not drawing.

        Your WWWH is interesting. I guess it could be. But you would.need to find where in the poem it tells yspecifically tells you to do that.

        To get the Ennis thing, I followed a certain direction, and I admit that I haven’t come close to figuring it out yet.

        By the way, other words I got included WHET and ACID. It definitely could all be an uncanny coincidence. Lol. 🙂

      • You all arrive at great solves for the clues.

        Another way I look at wwwsh is to ask myself where the word waters halt. Start with the word halt and go forward or is it the ‘space’ related, Or is it the ‘s’=shalt or go backwards and anagram ‘waster’, ‘rawest’ etc.

    • Mindy I agree the poem is ambiguous. Fenn has told us over and over the poem is simple, straight forward; don’t over think it, etc. etc. I’m trying very hard to believe him.

      Fenn knows when faced with simplicity or unknowns (ambiguity) the human mind tries to find a deeper meaning or cause. This is why conspiracy theories flourish.

      This creates a quandary for me. I find the different philosophies of solving the poem very interesting and I can make a good circumstantial case to support most of them. In its simplest form the poem is nine sentences that are the nine clues and those clues lead to locations that end up someplace in the Rockies.

      Kind of like a cylinder lock on a bike or briefcase only it has nine numbers. The solution is simple; select the correct numbers in the correct order and the lock opens. While the permutations aren’t the same you get the idea.

      In its simplest form the poem is daunting. How many places match WWWH, hoB, etc. because of their ambiguity; hundreds, thousands? When the correct WWWH, and correct hoB, etc. are matched together we find the chest. There is one place where all the clues come together perfectly; all we have to do is find it.

      My argument against the “simple theory” is this. Fenn knows there are guys like me that have traveled and lived most of their lives in the Rockies. There are fishing and hunting guides, park rangers, surveyors, and many others that have spent their whole lives in one area and know the landscape intimately. Many of the folks that live in the Rockies climb mountains, ford rivers, traverse nearly impassible terrain, enduring all of the punishment that mother nature can dish out; and they do all of that just for fun. These are the people Fenn hid the chest from. So how can it be simple and still thwart these folks.

      My argument against the deep thinkers is the more you expand out from the poem adding color codes, anagrams, scrapbooks, some sort of mystical deep meaning, where every word the man utters, every picture, every stroke in an illustration, is the key to unlocking the poem leads to endless rabbit holes and infinite possibilities. It makes the task of looking under every bush in the Rockies seem doable.

      I’m a red neck from Texas and I have my bedroll in the back of the truck, I sill have a job, and all my kids are grown so that will have to suffice. Fenn has told me over and over, all I need is the poem, to keep it simple and not over think it. That is what I’m trying very hard to do.

      Perhaps the future archeologist that actually finds the chest will research our era and have a grand laugh at all of us.

      • I agree, Goofy. I think there’s got to be a balance to be found between over simple and overly complex.

        Maybe we are putting “deep” in the wrong context. Maybe surface thinkers are thinking behind a tree in a rock and deep thinkers are thinking in a well. 🙂

        I would love to see the face of the archeologist when he reads the autobiography.

        Which leads to another question. If the chest is found 1000 years from now, will it be found because he or she stumbled upon it, solved the poem, or dug it up during an archeological dig?

        • Mindy,

          love your thoughts, hoo rah for posting your thoughts.
          tho I don’t see the chest being found for 1000 years if no one finds wwwh. and by my best solve no one has it, publicly, imo. but i believe only with a good map is finding wwwh ever possiblaes.

          there is a place tho www halt, and it is very well kept mo..


    • That’s awesome Mindy 🙂 I personally believe that it will take a team to find it and not just one person. There’s no. “I” in team, but, there is an M- E. Lol or is that M. E. Lol as in leave his bones omg! Did I actually just say that and actually hit send!

  35. The Nine Clues await. From here on out, my communication to you all will come by way of Amy if she will post whatever it is I may wish to relay to you. I will not be posting for myself until I get back home. I will still monitor the blog while I am out. Thank you all who wish me luck and/or good fortune (I don’t believe luck plays a part in this, but I will accept all well wishes). I will be leaving here just as soon as I have my bed set. C ya! 🙂

    • slurbs we hope you get this. be safe have fun and find the TC as long as you dont find it in our spot LOL

    • Slurbs

      Yes anything u would like to say I will post it for you. I can’t believe your Search Day has Fimally come. I Pray that you will have a very very safe adventure. It’s a beautiful weekend, and may Good Fortune come your way. 🙂 🙂

    • Break a leg Slurbs… Lol… jk.. Be Safe please… Best of Luck to Ya… Look forward to hearing about your adventure…

  36. Seems there are four plural words: treasures, riches, waters, loads

    I’m interested in the vertical D ending words in the last stanza been thinking they mean alongside of. Might possibly have to do with “block 4” where his dad is buried.


    Because this is the end of the poem probably where the gold is. Maybe Forrest will give us a graphical layout of this at some point, hidden in another context, maybe he already has, never know.

    • This touches on another of my solves. If the poem was written by an architect, and the letters are the building blocks, maybe there are hints in the letters themselves. Like the three dots that form a triangle we seem to see everywhere. In the capital A there is a triangle. In a v there are also three “points.” In a w, there are five points. In a t, there is one “dash” and there is one dash in the capital A as well.

      I was thinking of the morse code theory, and it imagine that’s how it might apply. Yet another theory I have yet to follow through.

      I guess I need to provide full disclosure of my Catcher I the Rye theory as well. Which will have to go in another post.

      But the morse code theory I got from studying the big picture on the Santa Fe Trading website. The picture of Forrest in his room full of artifacts. Next to the Romanesque statute of mom and baby peace, near the bottom of the picture, is what looks like morse code. I think there are a couple of X’s, but I might be wrong…

      • I think so….the way letters look, sound. Even counting letters, as well as matching with alphabet equivalency. The dictionary definitions and even sometimes the meaning within a word. If you can get that stuff right and the starting point. Throw in a great big imagination and you might have a chance.

        • Mosey, Three dots in pyramid format are what philosophers use in proofs as “THEREFORE” in concluding an argument. It’s also the symbol for trinity and uranium’s three isotopes.

          Universal Philosopher’s symbols which I’ve considered that Forrest may have used:

          ∴ therefore Used to signify the conclusion of an argument. Usually taken to mean implication, but often used to present arguments in which the premises do not deductively imply the conclusion.

          ⊤ tautology May be used to replace any tautologous (always true) formula.

          ∀ universal quantifier Means “for all”, so ∀xPx means that Px is true for every x.

          ∪ union Used to join sets. If S and T are sets of formula, S ∪ T is a set containing all members of both.
          ∩ intersection

          Γ, Δ, Ω possible worlds In modal logic, uppercase greek letters are also used to represent possible worlds. Alternatively, an uppercase W with a subscript numeral is sometimes used, representing worlds as W0, W1, and so on.

          IMO, when Forrest said what’s needed to solve the poem is “thinking” I believe that indicates traditional logic combined with reasoning through the paths of logic. For instance he may have placed capital letter T’s to indicate those sentences are always true if you are solving the poem in 3 seperate layers.

          • Cool stuff, 42 et al. Therefore…dot dot dot…Happy Fathers Day to ALL the great Fathers out there…especially the founder of The Chase, Founding Father Forrest Fenn. 🙂

            That “bell” has a nice ring to it, dontcha think? 🙂

  37. You guys want to know where the “exact spot” is in TTOTC? Page 10, between “For Whom the Bell Tolls” and “The Great Gatsby.”

    I’ve always wondered if that is a subtle hint…

    • I don’t know what you mean. The sentence is:
      “For Whom the Bell Tolls and The Great Gatsby.”
      There is olnly the word ‘and’ between them.
      As for Ernest Hemingway and F. Scott Fitzgerald, they were friends, veterans of the great war, heavy drinkers, and writers in the jazz age.
      FF stood in the middle of the store with their books.
      If there is a subtle location hint it may be in the ‘middle’

      • Yes, Mike. The exact spot in Borders where the girl pulled down both of those books. If the books were on the shelf in alphabetical order, what classic literature would be between them?

  38. Here are a couple more things to ponder…

    Maybe the blaze isn’t something carved on a tree or painted or pecked on a rock. What was perhaps the most important blaze in the Corps of Discovery? It was Beaverhead Rock, which was spotted and recognized by Sacajawea. Seeing it, she knew she was close to home.

    Maybe during Forrest and Donnie’s search for Lewis and Clark, after they got hopelessly lost, Forrest realized what an asset Sacajawea was to the Corps.

    Or maybe you have to start a blaze. If you’ve been wise and found the blaze (use the Boy Scout trick with the flashlight to start a fire), look quickly down (cool quickly down), your quest to cease. But tarry scant with marvel gaze, just take the chest and go in peace (like the phoenix that rises from the ashes, the chest will be revealed).

    I’m not advocating starting any fires, so don’t jump on the NO train. I’m just putting some alternative theories out there to maybe help us start thinking differently.

      • Thanks, Diggin. I’m trying to refrain from talking about perhaps the best theory of all, but I think it’s your theory, too, and I don’t want to give away any of your secrets…

          • Marie,
            The locations I’m thinking of are found in all four states.

            I’ll give one hint until Diggin gives me permission to say more…

            Think about treasure in general. Now think about the story about important literature in TTOTC. What went into the trash? What didn’t go into the trash. Now think about the story about Mrs. Rockefeller. What went into the trash and came out of the trash as soon as she left?

            Now think of a saying that goes along with those two examples, then find the LOTS of other places in SB’s, TFTW, and TTOTC that hint at that saying…

  39. I was wondering if anyone here has ever heard of a fence dividing a property line called a blaze?

  40. Just wanted to say Happy Fathers day to all the awesome and amazing Fathers . 🙂

  41. Ok, Happy Father’s Day to all fathers out there. Officially, I am eating the most famoys blog meal… crow. I cannot believe how popular it has become. I kind of don’t think it is deserved this time though. My end was the blaze and to look quickly down. I thought I’d see the chest. Alas, it is my quest to cease. I walked right past where the chest awaits. I had not come to understand it until I was too many miles away to want to go back right away. I went prepared to retrieve the chest and believe I would have had it not been for an added layer I had not anticipated. So, with that, I say next time. I, so far, I plan on the weekend of July 4th. Next time I will not blaze it up there like I did this time… and blaze the trail I did! No, I don’t partake in Mary Jane. It doesn’t bother me if anyone else does either. That is not the blazing I speak of. Do I deserve to eat crow if I reached clue 8 and went past 9? Next time (spit feathers), next time. Thanks for the crow recipe, Amy. I think it’s missing something. I think I’ll try some salt and does anyone have any Tylenol? I have sore muscles.

    • 🙂 Slurbs

      That’s right never give up. 🙂 I’m trying one more time July 4th. 🙂 see we will be searching at the same time
      I can’t I believe I’m doing this again 🙂

      Forrest, we need counseling 🙂

      • Amy, please join us at next weeks meeting for “SA” aka Solvaholics Anonymous.

        After introductions – first names only – we will be BBQing roasted crow satay over a Texas A&M size bonfire of reams of wrong solutions. BYO Dr Pepper.

        Did Mona Lisa get her smile back? First time I have heard that song was tonight at a BBQ restaurant! Laughed out loud and thought of you;)

        • Anna, Where’s the meeting? I’ve got some well seasoned mesquite wood, it gives a really good flavor when you’re BBQing and it will keep the old solves burning better. I also have a cooler full of DP’s and Diet Cokes left from my last trip. Looking forward to moving on. LOL

    • hey slurbs glad you made it home safe. as try out crow recipes please let us know the best one for three. we were thinking of an old fashion BBQ LOL

  42. I’m heading up to Wyoming the week of July 5th. I’m convinced the 9 clues are the 9 sentences. Will keep you posted on my journey. Really excited about my interpretations.

  43. Hello fellow searchers 🙂

    Is there anyone in Santa Fe, NM that would like to partner up and go get this chest already ? If so please e-mail me at I am unable to go alone because NO TRANSPORTATION and it is much too far to hike 🙁 I plan to stay in Santa Fe until the 6th of next month and after that it’s back to Boston for me. THE CHEST IS HERE IN NEW MEXICO – surely the treasure is worth a shot – let me know please

    • Hey EB! Glad to know you are alive. I was getting worried about you. Was thinking you either found the chest and went dark, or you got eaten by something.

      So let me get this straight.

      Airplane ticket – Check
      Suitcase – Check
      Camping/hiking gear – Check
      Food – Check
      Lodging – Check
      TToTC Book – Check
      Map – Check
      Solve – Check
      Bag to haul loot – Check
      Ground Trans – DOOH!

      Just kidding, Beav. Looks like your stay just extended a little. Have you been out yet at all? From our past conversations you should have gotten there a while back.

      Scott W

      • Too many Checks. Guess Bill was hungry. Gotta start walking but it’s just too far to walk. I know the feeling,EB. 🙁

      • Hey Scott how you doing buddy ? 🙂

        Bahahahaha Ground Trans – DOOH!! bahahahaha

        I found a partner I am very happy with 🙂 Great guy ! we plan to go up in the morning so things are looking promising now – If we don’t get this within a few days please have my CROW waiting for me bahahahaha

        YES still confident of course and ty OS for the tips 🙂

        Well. time to see if it’s photos with the chest or Crow !

        Talk soon 😉

    • Hi EB, ———- So, still confident? That’s a good sign. Maybe you & partner can find something useful from my 9 Clues.
      * Paddle
      * Blaze
      * Chest
      * Peace
      * Answers

      PADDLE / oar / row / R.O.W. / Right of Way — a marked pathway for power lines, pipes, fence, etc.

      BLAZE… an intersection between the ROW and CHEST
      (chest = trunk, a main line)

      Take the CHEST toward PEACE.
      Many interpretations of PEACE, but the next line asks WHY, so I’m inclined toward a Y feature (like the Y in the Peace symbol), possibly a fork or switch point.

      At the Y, look for something that gives ANSWERS (school, library, Church) and DON’T go that way, or, pass it by, because Fenn already knows the answer.

      It’s probably been a long hike and you’re weak and tired, and you want to stop, but you still have to be an adverb, not an adjective. Still must go brave and cold and in the wood for the TITLE.

      I had to leave out some give-away words, sorry.

      I think Fenn had hiked the long route long ago, but with the TC, he took a short-cut, went by car and walked only the last leg. The chasers are going to have to begin at WWWH and follow the long route. The finder won’t be laughing if he has to carry 42 lbs out the long way, unless he finds the short cut.

      Off you go booted perambulators, send post cards, or, in 21st century style, keep post-marking to us gray gowned sit-at-homes. I look forward to replies… concrete, not abstract ones. OS.

    • Eager B—–
      Glad to finally hear back from you. A continued good luck on your search. The only thing I discovered on the 18th was that hitting a deer doing 70mph will do quite a bit of damage to your vehicle. : ) But, I’m all good. I’ll search again soon.

      • Hello Kevin

        Sorry to hear about the damage to the vehicle 🙁

        The one thing I am worried about is SNAKES – I really hate snakes lol

        Talk with you more when I get back from the hunt – today is the big day !

        • Don’t worry about the snakes. They don’t even have arms or legs. 🙂

          They’re really not very fast. Just stay away from the mouth end. 🙂

          Scott W.

          • q1werty2 who cares if they don’t have arm or leggies THEY TEETH OR FANGS. might i add LONG fangs that are like needles and can injection venom. i plan to stay as far away for them as i can.

  44. Dal, I love the video,s on San Lazaro Pueblo artifacts that you made of Forrest. I only just discovered them and found it very interesting. Wouldn’t it be something if someone found the Spanish Journals.
    Don’t know why it took me so long but that’s what happens when you are searching for something. 🙂

    • onuat-
      Thanks..and I’m glad you found them interesting. I think the videos are useful as well as interesting. Forrest is a fascinating character…multidimensional..just like his poem..peel back the layers to find the heart of the man and of the opinion..

      • Yep, Bubba looked good in them video.s. Still peeling the layers. I think I got the poem down. Just got to confirm the heart of the man. If I find it I’ll give him back his bracelet and some bubblegum. 🙂

    • Forrest & Dal, my thanks as well for the “gone fishing” videos accessible here and at OSFTC. They were so interesting! Love hearing forrest show and tell.

  45. Reading the poem in different ways can seem rewarding, but is it really? It’s hard to tell.

    For example, the letter “C” can be pronounced like an “S” and other letters can be read in an alternate manner. The word “canyon” can read as “San Juan”, so take it in the San Juan down. Good luck with that one. Even the semicolon used in the poem if spelled out would be:


    see my soul on

    Are these methods intended? Who knows… well Forrest does.

    • Peter,
      Rewarding? In what way? No one has found the TC yet. I agree though, who knows if this is what f is intending us searchers to do. I’ve tried using this strategy as well. And here I sit with a sprained foot playing Canasta…
      I’m curious. Have you had any success reading the poem in this manner? Has it ever placed you confidently in any specific geographic location 8.25 miles North of Santa Fe in any of the four Rocky Mountain states we’re searching? And if so, does it seem to be THE special place f would want to secret his treasure? Is there actually such a place?

      • wiseone and peter dont mess with poem. by the way if anyone cares we have 48 days till we can go. YIPPEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

        • Might as well cancel your trip… I will be finding the treasure when I hit my spot Saturday July 18th after my 20+ hour drive from Ohio 🙂

          I havent been out west since I was in Cimarron as a kid in 1999 backpacking… so I will have fun touring the west after I retrieve it.

          On that note, I think I have found a place that fits every clue to the ‘T’. The incredible thing is, as Forrest hinted, very simple- easily overlooked by overthinking. My spot is in a location where possibly millions of people have passed within 500 feet in the 5+ years since it was hidden…

          • JB i have no plans to cancel our plans to search for TC. if you were to be blessed to find it i plan to still take our grand son to show him the beauty of the wildness and maybe southern Co. our trip is not about the the TC though it would be nice but its about the joy of the hunt. also if God doesnt want us to find it we could trip over it and still not get it. have a very safe trip, be careful, lots of sun screen, water. oh and a good recipe for crow just and case. oh and a flashlight.

          • Tounge and Cheek wildbirder… I think everyone should keep looking even once it is found. When I was a kid, I had a few of these favorite places, and one was Shenandoah National Park in Va. I got the opportunity to work in DC for a little over a year recently, and I would drive to the park weekly (sometimes twice a week) just to drive down Skyline Drive. Something about being in a place that inspries you that is just incredible.

            I don’t really guarantee I will find anything- other than awe for a park I have never had a chance to visit until now. Good luck!!

        • Wildbirder – Although I am prepared for crow, I just cannot find a good recipe on…

  46. JB you forgot to say “IMO” … but i’m guessing you are so so so wrong in your conclusion of where it is…IMO

    • Maybe, maybe not… To quote Benjamin Gates “Could it really be that simple?” There’s no trickery in my solution… no coordinates… no knowledge of ancient glaciers necessary… no need to read the poem in pig latin… simple solution. Could it be wrong? Absolutely! Is it wrong? Maybe. In all of my review of the story, watching every interview Forrest has given, in the stories in his book, it all fits. How did I find my place? by reading the peom over and over, reading the book 3-4 times, and the help of a good map. I then watched the interviews all over again, and when he read the preface to his second book… It sunk home that my spot is a special place. And no, my spot isnt in or along the banks of the Madison river between Firehole & Bakers Hole.

      Part of my reply was a tounge and cheek response to a fellow searcher because I would be there before them… but I do believe I found a good spot to look that I have yet to see mentioned anywhere… If its not it? I get to see an area of the country I havent seen in 16 years… If it is, I promise not to rub it in 🙂


        • JB, I’m in Elyria… not far from you. I have a good solve too but I haven’t been able to get boots on the ground yet. If you don’t mind me asking, what state are you searching?


          • Actually, funny you say Elyria, while I work in Cleveland, I have a meeting Thursday afternoon at Bendix in Elyria, and will be leaving from there heading west.

            My clues lead me to Mt/Wy and nowhere else. When Forrest mentions there are a couple of good hints and some outliers, to me he is again being vague and having people look for small details as the “hints” and even smaller details as the outliers. IMO (apparently all my posts must have those 3 letters), the good hints are the trip he took looking for Lewis and Clark and his time in and around West Yellowstone and YNP.

            After I looked at the poem and book this way, the smaller outlier comments I thought were real hints fit much better as metaphors describing the path to go.

          • Well, I started by looking at New Mexico and worked my way up. I read the Journal of a Trapper (very interesting) and thought about Lewis and Clark. My latest idea is in Colorado. The clues seem to line up with the poem and it’s not complicated. I was just hoping that Amy wasn’t searching my spot before I had a chance to get out there. Lol

          • Well I guess we are all searching somewhere else and perhaps will meet in the middle!

  47. Hi Everybody,
    Here’s my take on the nine clues as used in one of my solves!

    Because many of you folks have been sharing some pretty good information, sharing your research that takes mass amounts of time, and sharing your solves in which many of you have spent tons of money putting boots on the ground. Which is Awesomeness! I want to contribute!

    Too, I’ve come to the conclusion that I won’t be able to make it back to the Land of Enchantment anytime soon. Sometimes dreams are just that… dreams!

    So, I have decided in the next few weeks to post all of my working solves and their locations. It’s not that they are correct or even close. Who knows? I only hope that they might have some small hint or clue to help someone else!

    Now maybe before I lay out my nine clues and my take on the this solve, I should address a few thoughts regarding the Poem.

    First the mirror thing… I think it is very confusing, for so long I felt like I had to read all of Hemingway’s works and somewhere in all that, I’d figure it out… Well that never happened and Hemingway is kind a boring! Perhaps it was in regards to how he wrote in the mirror, maybe it has to do with that 85% rule.

    I found the Poem could work like this: …too Far to walk… don’t walk. Or …take it in the canyon down… not sure if I move or look? Or another …no paddle up your creek… don’t paddle… and maybe not up??
    I don’t think everything in the Poem is in reverse or backwards like J Brown’s map of the SF Trail, but anything as we know is possible! Just say n’!

    Next: Is there a theme?
    I believe Seeker and others are correct… I would like to think there is a story here regarding man. For me however, it is more the failures of men as compared to their evolving and migration. Perhaps this is why f made those jars and bells. He was concerned about our/the future.

    Lastly, I am a fan of the KISS mentality… Keep it simple sexy!

    I’m not going to include all the hints over the past few years, there are too many.

    This solve took me to the Bull of the Woods in the Taos Ski Area.
    Note: IMO Verbs seem to be instructions?

    The first stanza:
    Leads me to believe he went into the mnts. He went alone with his treasures bold and stashed them where other older treasures might be?
    In the second stanza:
    Are instruction or directions
    1.) Begin wwwh: as I said before is vague, E Pluribus Unum. For this solve however, I use SNOW… Of course it could also be the Rio Grande which is above the road that leads down into the Taos Ski Valley. In the second case, warm waters halt, could be where cold water begins… it’s possible! I like snow!
    2.) Take the canyon down: I had to drive down into the ski valley. It wasn’t too far, but way too far to walk.
    3.) Put in below the home of the Brown. I like Taos, everything is Brown! Some may believe the Taos pueblo is or could be the hoB, but the Barvarian, Brown Chalet, bats, and a host of other Browns work as well. (I’ll save my Brown for the story of our search)
    In the third stanza:
    4.) No place for the meek: IMO If a searcher leaves the comfort of their car they are not meek! In fact, if you are in the Taos Ski Valley, in the wood to hike, you might be considered a bull/brave! This might be the right place?
    5.) No paddle: At the base of the ski valley is the trail head for the Bull of the Woods. Along the trail is a creek.. I believe the creek is the Arroyo Hondo? And while the creek is fast moving, it is shallow and rocky… you can’t paddle up!
    I also think this is a three part clue… as the end is ever drawing nigh: The trail is to the left of the parking lot and also may lead to the Poem’s end!
    Too, and maybe a hint to confirm going up the trail is heavy loads and water high: meaning possibly a heavy pack, climbing in altitude, an alpine lake, a waterfall or power lines.

    (To help with your imagination… the mountain has a waterfall, and a heli pad??? Or another thought, this is TWINING Rd. If I take it down instead of up… I think it leads to to a beaver pond and/or Arroyo Seco… ???).

    The fourth stanza:
    6.) Now we have to have been wise to have Found the blaze: At the top of the trail is a pasture, there are horses and cows etc… I guess one of these animals might have a blaze on its forehead but they’re moving… so good luck with that? There is also the waterfall, alpine lakes and tons of peaks that have names that may be connected to the Chase, and of course there is also a host of other ideas over the years that could be considered blazes. I can’t share mine, but I am fond of the idea of a marking on the trail as a blaze and there are tons of aspens, cottonwoods and Ponderosa pines on the trail for that.
    Oh I’ll just throw it out there… one of my blazes was an aspen, it had what looked like the kokapelli guy carved on it… it pointed us towards another tree, a cottonwood that had a bosque cave drawing.
    7.) Look quickly down your quest to cease… I’m looking down. (Actually I had no clue as to what I was doing, what I was looking for or the significance of where I was). But, the story of what happened next has had me fascinated since!
    8.) Tarry scant with marvel gaze: IMO tarry means to take our time… commit! (I did not) Scant might mean stint… Commit some time. This could take awhile! You might need a sandwich and a flashlight?
    Off topic, someone recently used spread… I haven’t incorporated this yet but I like it. (This is why these are all working solves).
    Marvel, (I like Thor) but I believe puts emphasis more on using tunnel vision as was discussed lately, and Gaze as in slowly look… maybe listen?
    9.) Just take the chest and go in peace: I am not sure if our quest is over yet… I might have to take the chest in pieces. Maybe I should be very quiet and go silently. I’ll need the title!

    The fifth stanza uses the personal pronoun I, as in he and then why. I find this part of the Poem to be a contract or deal if you will… kind of like a last will and testament… Being of sound mind and body.

    But the last stanza seems to be instruction again… or confirmation of past or prior instructions.
    Listen good… I looked up the word “good,” I found that “his word was as good as gold,” this fit well. Ha!
    Below the word “good” in the dictionary was “goofy,” and below that was “google”…
    Anyhow, …your effort will be worth the cold, might confirm a ski area that might be considered cold, or being in high altitude.
    And brave and in the wood might confirm “The Bull of the woods,” after all Sitting Bull was a brave and lived for some time on wood mountain.

    Well this is it, simple and complete minus the chest. I hope Seeker and others take time to read and critique my solves, as you are all winners to me! Maybe just maybe, where warm waters halt, is different for all of us and that’s the way it’s supposed to be? After all, it’s the Thrill of the Chase.
    Mark H. When you mess with the Bull you get the horns!

      • Hey Wolf, I remember you going with your wife and son. I think we were looking in two different areas though… smiles.

        Clinger was headed towards the Molly I was headed towards E-town and you… well I don’t really know how you arrived there or actually where you were going? I remember you at Red River, the Gorge, and the Bull, but for the life of me I guess don’t know what you were looking for??? Perhaps you”ll share the how’s and why’s???

        Also Wolf… while you’re on the phone… you said by June you would slim down the search area? Right? Did I miss this? As I look up to you and your research skills I am most curious???
        Mark H. Miss n’ the Chase!

        • Mark you have a very good memory. My book is in the final editing stages and soon the whole world will know my secret and the Goofys of the world will have their day to laugh.

          I am still running some tweaks past my secret search consultant, you know the one everyone looks up to. He has been a great help …

          My apologies for taking so long. But don’t you love Forrest’s new Q&A at Jenny’s? There has been a lot of BULL lately. BTW you remember Fenn’s Occidental Petroleum story? Stock ticker OXY… I bet you if Miss Ford was alive today she would be driving a Ford Taurus while listening to 99.5 “The Bull” FM radio on her way to the rodeo to do some BULL riding. 😉

          • Wolf, laughter is good for the soul…….You guys that take yourselves so seriously probably don’t understand that. I’ve cracked myself up looking through some of my old solutions that put the chest absolutely, without a doubt, in Utah or Idaho.

            Can’t wait to read your book and learn your secret of how not to find the chest. 🙂 Unless you charge for it. Then again knowing how not to find it might be very valuable.

          • I agree laughter is good for the soul and I have have plenty of soul refreshing moments laughing at myself. 🙂

            Now for folks like you who admit getting kicks out of laughing at other people’s ideas and stories I will happily supply you your elixir. However that kind of entertainment comes at a price, but I promise you, all the revenue goes to a worthy cause (cancer research).

          • Just chiming in. I haven’t posted much lately, nor actively searched, but still research weekly…or is it weakly? 🙂

            Mark, Yes. I’m still on the opposite side of the Mt as Wolf, my partial solution unwavering.

            I haven’t scheduled a trip out this year yet, as I haven’t enough new leads to warrant a field expedition. Maybe by the end of the summer I’ll get fidgety & take a weekender.

            Looking forward to your book, Wolf.

            – Also, I’m sure you saw the news where the hiker was found dead just below Lobo peak last week. That’s right between us. I have not heard details on what happened.


          • Hi Clinger I miss your posts and I thank you for your support. That is really sad to hear about the ex-White House chef. A reminder to all to search safe.

    • Mark,

      Fenn had commented that the first clue is a must. Fine by me. And snow makes sense as well. I’m ok with that as well. And you explain some of your thoughts. My only question is… If the poem will lead you to the chest, as we have been told. What is it in the poem that puts you at your WWWH?

      Assuming it is the first clues, that is.

      Serious question… not downing your thought or anything.
      I have seen many solves over the few years I have been reading the blogs and not much in the answer of “how the poem” put anyone at there spot to start / first clue. For me that is a big question, and would think it’s a must for anyone.

    • Mark,
      In addition to Seekers question on clue 1 (snow is everywhere and not a specific place), I would wonder about your choice of blaze. Aspens are a fast growing short lived tree and very prone to disease, pests, and blow-down. How could this be imagined as a blaze/clue that persists the 100-1000 years that F envisioned his chase lasting?

      If this is a crucial clue that potentially marks “the spot” then a missing blaze is a broken trail that quickly halts the search.

  48. I believe it is going to be right there in full view and we are going to be kicking our selves when it is finally figured out. It may be hidden figuratively!! Does anyone agree with that statement with all of the 9 clues? We all need to focus on what is right there in front of us? The Santa Fe Trail and Mr. Fenn’s property do we have to ask permission to look on his property and look down our quest to cease? To me Tarry scant with a Marvel gaze means to walk softly and look at the grand view. Also to go in peace is an Indian reservation!! I have given some of my thoughts and interpretations and hope they are useful or just crazy ramblings of a searcher who needs a break. Do any of you have these as your interpretations? Let me know at this 9 clues site. Thanks, Ms. Girl Still in the Chase!!

    • Hi ms.girl

      I think tarry scant with marvel gaze infers don’t sit around staring at the chest, just pick it up and go in peace- without an end zone dance screaming with joy. jmo…

      • I do agree with your thought that many clues are obvious, or right in front of us. They’re just disguised by metaphors and alternative definitions, like hoB and in the wood. What fun though eh?

        I can’t wait to get back out there when I can spend more time just enjoying the scenery. That is, after my last ditch effort to find the treasures bold 🙂

  49. I use to think that after “begin it where warm waters halt” were found the nine clues. I also use to think of each stanza as a clue – now i am not so sure. For example, “Begin it where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down, not far but too far to walk, put in below the home of Brown” could be all one clue or place.

    It could also be the second or third clue. “As i have gone in there” could be the beginning of the first clue. Anyway – Mr Fenn is very crafty fellow.

  50. Just searched at Moran Point and Red Rock Point today. I’m frustrated. I was certain I’d had it. So, I’ll spill it out here for the crowd to play with it.

    – more than 300 miles west of Toledo is p384 of “Thomas Moran: Artist of the Mountains”
    – Rockefeller refers to the Thomas Moran Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone they gifted to the Fine Arts Museum of SF. They own, a cool art search engine. A deep thinking searcher should THINK to use it.
    – Moran’s diary, p4, says this: “July 27 Left Tower Falls. Halted at noon on Mt. Washburne. Arrived at Yellowstone falls in the evening.”
    – Moran’s GCotY painting (the one in the Smithsonian, previously in the Capitol) can follow the poem, eg deer is meek, brown horse, blaze on horse, Moran drawing nigh.
    – Thrill of the Chase coincidentally equals Abigail Chase, the female lead from National Treasure movies. This book is f’s book of secrets.

    Good luck. Maybe you can take this and run with it. #WillItBeYouOrMe

    • Probably need to sequence this a bit better.

      – wwwh is Moran’s famous GCotY painting. Warm waters are halted, frozen in time on the canvas. See Moran diary for suspicious use of word “halted”.
      – canyon down is to walk down into the painting’s canyon
      – too far is they rode horses in
      – hob is tawny horse, scene is their home frozen in time
      – meek is the dead deer
      – drawing nigh is Moran sketching
      – creek, can’t paddle up a painting
      – heavy loads, the treasure
      – water high, the lower falls
      – blaze on horse, fits nice with below brown horse
      – brave and wood are also in the painting, could be bear, could be Native Americans
      – tired and weak is what I felt today after climbing down and up Red Rock Point twice. The locations seems similar to the painting.

      • EC,
        Sounds like you are using clues from Moran, Rockefeller, and Abigail Chase instead of Fenn. Could that be a problem? Just sayin.

        • I challenge everyone to reread The Thrill of the Chase and F’s afterhints and not correlate the clues to Thomas Moranand his National Treasure. Dal says (paraphrased) everyone sees their solution in their own personal way. It’s my view that Moran’s Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone painting is the puzzle key, and the subtle clues sprinkled throughout are pointing to Thomas Moran.

          • EC,
            OK….let’s try another. F said there are 9 clues, all we need is the poem (not a painting), and the clues refer to places.

            From your bullet points, it appears you are using well over 9 clues, and most of them refer to things or animals in a painting…not points on the ground.

            Also I hope you realize that the “300 west of Toledo” statement was a joke?

            Seems like your not following the basic guidelines we’ve been given. Could this be the source of your frustration?

          • EC,

            Allow me to give you a challenge as well. If I may.

            What in the poem indicates Thomas Moran? Is it not the poem that tells us what the clues are. IF the only way to understand the clues in the poem must be found in the book… then the book must be a clue it’s self… right?

            This never made sense to me as fenn repeatedly stated the poem is all you need, the poem will lead you to the chest. etc. and the book is good reference. Even though reference means alluding to something, to use it to find a clue means it’s no longer a references, but a must.

            This has been a problem for me from the start. If i take fenns statements about the poem, then the poem should indicate the clues… outside reference should be just confirmation. and not needed.

            Then again, I could have my blinders on.

          • So I don’t want to give the impression that I’m smart or my solution is perfect. My frustration comes from my own lack of metered confidence. I felt I was ready to walk right to it. Dal has also said (paraphrased) that we searchers start connecting everything whether it should be or not.

            With that said, challenge accepted. With everything that follows, please preface with “in my view” or “coincidentally”.

            The book itself is a clue. The book and title may cleverly point to the National Treasure movies, of which were available prior to f’s book of secrets being published. Abigail Chase is a main character. Abigail roughly means “my father is joy” in Hebrew. That sounds Fennian, no? Joy is a also a synonym for thrill. That’s a pretty strong coincidence. Yellowstone is a national treasure, the Senate vote of which was influenced in large part by Moran’s paintings. Fenn is an art dealer with a love of provenance, archaeology, teaching, and a master at clever.

            To me, the 9 clues are the nine sentences of the poem, which is really all you need if you know for what you’re looking. The poem, to me, cleverly follows a person into the painting like Alice in Wonderland, if they were at the same scene, in there, in the painting. The scene, from my research, seems to be a few places pulled together with some specific and related real perspectives Moran sketched. Moran was asked to mark from where he sketched because of the confusion of Artist Point and the importance of his work. He placed an X on a sketch to indicate the true Moran Point from the perspective of the brink of the lower falls. Does X cleverly mark the spot of Fenn’s trove?

            In the poem, f says begin it wwwh. Warm waters of the Yellowstone have halted in Moran’s painting, frozen in time. Moran’s diary uses the word halted in the same log entry as going to the falls. That’s a pretty strong coincidence.

            Plenty more coincidences where this came from, which was simultaneously the source of my motivation to go to Moran Point yesterday, and the source of my frustration in not finding it when I walked right to it. If there’s interest in a seekers blog entry, let me know and I’ll write up a trip report about the logic and the locations we checked and submit it to Dal.

          • @EC Waters, I like your ‘art’ angle, mixing warm water with a load of paint, etc. kids like to finger paint, maybe cave art comes into play with the ‘blaze’ Can you go and stand at the place where Moran would have set up his easel for creating the canyon paining? Thanks for sharing…..

          • @Cholly, I’m not implying Moran used Yellowstone’s water for his painting. I’m implying the location scene of well known warm waters is halted in time.

          • Jdiggins,

            The challenge is to provoke thought.

            Example: I can see Yellowstone as an area without the book and just common knowledge of geography. Using the poem WWWH maybe waters halting a the freezing point… common knowledge. And Canyon may refer to one of two well know canyons in the USA, Grand canyon with the Colorado river, or the Grand canyon of YNP. Both well known. So hear me all… may refer to the loudness of the park itself or the upper and lower falls them self or both. a Logical assumption.

            There is more… but to save time. Yellowstone lake is fed by Snow cap run off down the grand canyon below the mud flats. The area maybe consider no place for the faint of heart. a super massive volcano wiles of nature, bears, wolfs…. NO paddles indicate the Falls etc. etc. All with simple steps to be followed and common knowledge. and all from the poem.

            And could be confirmed by the many stories from the book but not needed.

            So I asked EC what in the poem led him to Moran?

          • Indeed, seeker, a challenge, I agree! I was just messin with ya. It is incredibly challanging to not try to pound that darn square peg into the round hole…and then you have to ask..
            How deep is a hole!?!

          • EC,
            just read your response to my post and as much as i can see your thoughts logically. My example below puts me at the same small area with just the poem, and interpretation of the poem.

            I’m not saying wrong or right here. That doesn’t really matter as it’s just the way we see the poem as individuals.

            I just don’t see the poem leading to Moran… even with your well thought approach. And that IMO is a should be… the poem should lead to Moran, or anything else.

            IMO if the book is a must use and not a reference.
            The poem is not solvable, and contradicts those other statements.

            Like I said earlier…. That has bugged me from the get go.

            Thanks for the reply.

          • It seems that you are relying heavily on “coincidence” to discover clues.

            Coincidence: a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection.
            “it’s no coincidence that this new burst of innovation has occurred in the free nations”
            synonyms: accident, chance, serendipity, fortuity, providence, happenstance, fate; a fluke
            “too close to be mere coincidence”

            Fenn said he thought of everything and this might be the one thing in life that he did that was planned and well thought out. In other words, strong causal connections.

            I wouldn’t expect connections to clues to come down to an accident, chance, or happenstance.

          • @Colokid, I don’t disagree with you. What I mean by coincidental is that I have no ability to say factually what f intended in his clues. All I can rely upon is my ability to explore scenarios, the majority of which I will have arrived with a level of serendipity. I maintain that this approach in creativity is an effect of f’s cause for an ambiguous map, and the idea it hasn’t been found in 5 years using geo feature names as correlations.

          • E.C.

            Not that I know anything because I don’t have the chest. I’ve never read anything that Fenn has written other than the poem, and I believe I have a very credible solve. It’s the same solve I had the first time but I scanned right by a critical point on my map without realizing it. I ended up too far downstream when Fenn told me “not too far.” It was too easy. I felt stupid once I realized it. The only hard clue that changed from my original thinking is “in the wood.” IMHO anything other than the poem just muddies up the water.

            I’m only going to take one more chance at solving this riddle so now I plan to buy The Thrill of the Chase.

            Best of luck

    • EC,
      Interesting take on the solution. To help you out, did you follow the clues and find the National Treasure or did you start with a preconceived idea of Abagail and then looked for clues to match?

      If the ladder, then even if you have the correct concept there are many permuations that can lead you astray. There are also many National Treasures and you may have assumed the wrong one. The chase is like that, it sucks one in and doesn’t allow one to challenge their bias – the result is stretching the clues to make them fit, ie. triangulating dog measurements to justify a location.

      This is only a suggestion: Find WWWH and begin it there and if you find a National Treasure by following the clues, the necessary confidence will be confirmed.

      • @Wolf, yes, I admittedly may be guilty of over-connecting. The Abigail Chase coincidence popped up last week when the words “national treasure” kept coming up in research.

        • One of the most interesting solutions yet, ECW. A truly original concept. It sounds like all your solutions are in one spot though (the painting), so I don’t see how people could have solved the first two clues and gone right by it not knowing how close they were. To me that makes the idea of a single object as the entire solution impossible. But thanks for sharing – good stuff.

          • Well, the location in the painting is the spot, under the brown horse with the blaze. I had initially thought this was Moran Point until I read the sign at Lookout Point on rhyolite rust, and took the canyon down path to Red Rock Point 500 ft away according to the sign, and saw how much this spot looked like the painting where the horses are. I went off trail at the end and got up next to the brownish or red rock feature. It’s dangerous. I don’t advise it. Nevertheless, I walked back up the path. Later in the day I went back down and looked around some more. There is a tree below the point with what looks like it could be a sap-stained F (I have a photo) but no treasure that I could see.

    • Dal to Me It’s a space in time to share our thoughts. No comments are a part of learning the technique of sharing ones mind from the inner soul, to the world as one. When one sees that, they may respond. I must be a start at best. The only comment’s I get are from lots of advertisers. Oh well, I have fun with it, Writing that is. Not a big point to be mentioned but I did because that’s the way I feel about Comments. I for one will travel over and leave a comment I’m sure if you liked it its a good story. Thanks Dal for the Link. How is the hunt for you, coming along? Where are you traveling to next? I always love to hear your adventure’s. Did you post Amy’s story or has she sent it to you yet? You guys have a great day always thinking J B

    • Into-
      Forrest mentioned his conference once or twice on the blog..don’t ask me where..probably a scrapbook..
      It was a huge success..
      and he was quite proud of the event and the powerhouse of archaeology and anthropology types who showed up.

      When you consider the possibility of a Clovis connection don’t neglect the possibility of an ochre mining site connection..

      Ochre is red…and sometimes brown..

      • If someone wishes to explain how ‘red’ becomes part of a solve, please do. I find it in my solves from 2013 or maybe 2012 but can’t recall why?

        • Uken2it –

          Red is in the book – DO NOT TOUCH

          The color red is also in his excerpt page on his web site.

          It seems to me that when a clue is really valid – you can find it in more than one place – but I know you knew that.

          • Inthechaseto,
            Thank you kindly for directing me to the mentions of “red”. I’ve been reviewing the book as well as the excerpt but not actually sitting down and ‘reading’ them. I guess it’s time for another front to back read.

          • Regarding the website I posted above about Clovis –

            I thought that the plaque made for George Frison was so beautiful. It’s photo is located towards the bottom of the article.

            Now, I find this most interesting about George –

            ” George Frison was an accomplished hunter and learned about hunting and animal behavior from his grandfather. Through experience and family ethics, Frison as a hunter was able to adopt a philosophy of conservation that worked for both the hunter and the hunted, and the common environment that both had to live in. Frison later believed that his philosophy must also have been the philosophy of early hunters.

            When he was 11 years old he had his first, and most unforgettable, incident with a bison bull in a state park near Thermopolis, about 50 miles (80 km) from his home ranch, when ten loose bison wandered from the park, and Frison was able to secure permission to assist local cowhands to escort the bison back to the park. A young bison bull that created too much confusion among the other bison was left behind. Frison found the bison bull grazing a few days later and decided to outrun the bull on horseback. After both Frison and the bison cleared two fences, the bull stopped at the third fence, turned 180 degrees and decided to charge. Frison soon learned how an awkward and docile bison could soon be a danger, as both Frison and his horse toppled to the ground when the bull passed between the horse’s legs. However, all three managed to sustain no injury (Frison 2004).

          • Thank you all for your input. Always learning something new on Dals site. I enjoy reading about history.

          • You are most welcome –

            That is just what the chase is about – learning in a fun environment and then getting out in the woods – for more learning. 🙂

    • ” Cache of Clovis artifacts”. I agree, I too believe it is connected to the chase. Forrest,to my uncertain knowledge has really never said how it was discovered and in what kind of environment and surroundings the Clovis came from. I think the chest is hidden away in the exact same way the Clovis cache was when it was found.
      I don’t share much on here only because if I do I will only be giving away too much of my solve…but here goes ..something to consider when searching for IN THE WOOD. 🙂
      A cache is made by digging up turf in the shape of the item to be cached and putting it aside. Dig a hole the size of the box and line it with leaves and wood. Next you put in the box and cover it with more wood and soil. Lastly you top it off with the turf that you put aside and remove all evidence of the cache ie; extra soil etc.Eventually the turf grows and conceals everything. 🙂
      I know,I know it is not buried. Or is it? Just be careful where you tread..Happy hunting!!!

    • Looking forward to reading the Clovis Confetence notes tomorrow.

      I won’t sell my books because they have my important notes written on every page. I’d never forgive myself if someone else found forrests treasure using my notes!

  51. We are all in the wrong business. We should be selling used TTOTC books. On Amazon today I saw seven of those used books listed for over $300 and one seller was asking over $8,000…that’s right, more than $8,000 for a single used book…plus shipping!!!!. Later this evening the $8,000 book and several books selling for more than $400 were gone. Do you think someone bought them???
    Geesencrackers…I think we should ask Forrest to hold off on the new TTOTH print run till we can all make a tidy profit on our old books.. 🙂

    • Neat-o! That might put the actual treasure up to 3 or 4 millions.

      Personally, I think it’s worth no less than 10 with the solution attached.

      • I think the treasure is worth about $50 and the solution $9,999,950…. that way I only owe taxes on the $50 this year if I find it :-)….

    • Dal,
      I thought about this the other day when I saw someone selling it for $65 a pop on ebay… I bought mine from CWBS in April for the retail price. I mean, it is every person’s right to sell something for a price they think is fair, but I also hate to see people being taken advantage of.

  52. While doing some research today on the register of historic places i came across this and it brought up a change in how things are defined for me. I like the thought of the national register because it protects and maintains buildings, structures, sites, districts, and object. And then, perhaps, these may be around for a longer time. 100 years? 1000 years?

    So…Perhaps A new meaning to the clue of “not associated with a structure”.

    From Dals Cheat sheet Forrest has said: ♦ “I said on the Today show that the treasure is not associated with any structure. Some people say I have a desire to mislead. That is not true.


    Perhaps A new meaning to the clue of not associated with a structure.

    “The five general categories for National Register properties are: building, structure, site, district, and object. In addition, historic districts consist of contributing and non-contributing properties.
    Buildings, as defined by the National Register, are distinguished in the traditional sense. Examples include a house, barn, hotel, church, or similar construction. They are created primarily to shelter human activity. The term building, as in outbuilding, can be used to refer to historically and functionally related units, such as a courthouse and a jail or a barn and a house.
    Structures differ from buildings in that they are functional constructions meant to be used for purposes other than sheltering human activity. Examples include an aircraft, a grain elevator, a gazebo, and a bridge.”

    According to this, not all buildings are considered structures. Could this mean that the chest could be associated be with a house, barn, hotel, or church, but not an aircraft, grain elevator, or bridge?

    • Fishing with Fenn is like catching eels by hand. Probably would have made a fearsome contract attorney as well.

    • That’s very interesting. It really is.

      Let me ask you this. If you wanted to tell someone that the treasure was not associated with any terrestrial, man-made thing, what term/word would you use? I would have used the word he did. Its meaning is all inclusive for the average person.

      I like the research though. I just don’t want to split hairs on this one.

      Scott W.

  53. I realize that many people here interpret stucture to mean buildings and all things made by man. But, What makes you so sure that he was trying to say
    “that the treasure was not associated with any terrestrial, man-made thing”? His use of the word structure, IMO, might not mean that. And my post states my reason why it might not. “Structures differ from buildings in that they are functional constructions meant to be used for purposes other than sheltering human activity. Examples include an aircraft, a grain elevator, a gazebo, and a bridge”.

  54. I realize that many people here interpret stucture to mean buildings and all things made by man. But, What makes you so sure that he was trying to say
    “that the treasure was not associated with any terrestrial, man-made thing”? His use of the word structure, IMO, might not mean that. And my post states my reason why it might not.

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