Thank you for posting the videos. There’s a lot of land to cover and these videos show us the terrain and what Randy might have been up against. Thanks again!
many thanks to Katyal, Tizz and the members of Aerocus who made these videos possible. Great job, good resolution videos.
They really put the hunt for Randy into perspective. I could tell from google maps that the terrain was difficult to travel, but after seeing these videos I am just sitting here trying to wrap my mind around what I seen. Truly no place for the meek. A place where a 79 or 80 year old man would hide a 5″ x 10″ x 10″ chest? Not likely imho.
In review of the video’s I could not see anything that would led me to think that Randy had been in that area. The canyon views told me that Randy may have chosen a route that he could stay in the sunshine???
I did not see any sign of a man made shelter or fire. Noted some round pits that could have been old mining test pits or small meteor strikes.
One thing is certain. These videos give us a view of the magnitude of the search for the chest, four states with similar terrain. Considering the amount of time that has passed I am not optimistic concerning the outcome of current searches.
I am not going to give up though, I will review any photos or videos.
Not sure, but I think those may be cairns or just rock piles. The shadows seem to be created by something going higher than ground vs. lower, consistent with the shadows being cast by nearby scrub. Sun being in the southern sky. IMO, of course.
I need help with one of them, please. Not sure what I’m seeing.
Video #153125477 2:34 mark
Once at minute mark, please pause and zoom in. I used 200% on my computer.
It’s a dark shadow, just to the left of the first sign of snow (about 1/3 of video scene/middle), near shrubs and rocks. I don’t wish to say what it looks like to me, because I do not wish to influence others thoughts. I would like to know your opinion, please.
Pdenver, at the top of screeb, looks like legs but rewinding a bit, there’s no torso. In about middle right, between two shrubs looks like a dark log of wood, I thought it was someone laying there, no color to it. Looks like a log.
Yes, like it’s laying facing up hill, as drone moved on, it looks like a rock ledge.
Snow in arroyos really make it hard to Destinguish things, also shadowed.
I’ve watched videos 5 times each, nothing.
But will watch again with fresh eyes in morning.
Wow, looking at this footage by the done-this is the way to search. You can cover so much more ground that is not so easy on foot. It would be great if there could be about five or six drones stage at different locations all along the river. If they could get the camera high enough to video a wide path sweeping back and forth so you can see both directions, like coming and going, however far their range is. They would also need ATV’s to get these drone experts to those spots. I know it’s a lot to ask but if that could happen I believe it would increase the chances of locating Randy. Also map the areas covered. Maybe there’s a group of you guys out there reading this and want to help, this would be great if this could happen. Thanks to all again and to all who continue to make things happen. Bur
I am assuming that the person in the lower right of video vimeo.com/153124182
at 1;29-1:33 is part of the search crew. The person looks like they are bent over, then they stand up.
Well… there’s certainly no clean exit point. That’s for sure. One thing I have noticed so far (taking my time with these) is lack of footprints in the snow areas. Do we know when the last substantial snowfall was? I was expecting to see SAR footprints in the snow.
I can’t imagine that Randy’s exit plan involved scaling these cliffs, but maybe he had to try due to raft damage.
Am I seeing things? Is that another blue something just left and below of center, under the juniper bush, right at the VERY beginning of the vid? https://vimeo.com/153124165
It looks a little blue until I zoomed in and realized it’s really black.
Wow, what a vast area to search coupled with snow and shadows. I applaud all the effort of the search for his young man. While I was viewing the footage, the reality of the situation set it. This make me sad. I am still hoping for a miracle…
can someone try to look at this more closely, I spotted it on https://vimeo.com/153128514 right about 06:29 – 06:43 I had to change the angle but if you zoom in below shadow or cave looking area on cliff it looks like someone either standing or laying on the snow… middle right side of video on patch of snow the first thing I spotted looks like legs ( black pants) and then once zoomed the rest of what may be someone? Please zoom and look carefully.
Also has anyone determined if the two people who appear on the screen on https://vimeo.com/153124182 at 01:05 are part of the search team or?? One of them appears to run behind a shrub or bush at first and the other is a little below and to the left of him standing and watching.
Hello CursingMouse. The second video shows searchers, one being Katya on the right, further back from the other searcher. The other video is interesting. I, too, thought I saw something on video #153125477 at 2:34 mark. I believe it was Melanie who corrected me.
Hi pdenver – I think you’re referring to my response 1/27 regarding the “sinkholes” which I thought were actually landscape projections. (https://vimeo.com/153130129/by GoPro568).
I did pose a question about the “blue thing” in https://vimeo.com/153124165/by GoPro565, but I don’t think that’s what you’re talking about.
Hello Melanie. I just found your response and I apologize for not answering sooner. I returned to where I brought up the question in regards to what I thought I saw as a “human body” in the video on the 26th, and you are absolutely correct. It was Donna M. who responded to me. You and I did speak about the “blue thing” on the 28th and I responded that it was a black rock, possibly basalt. My sincerest apologies to you.
Just didn’t want to assume credit where it’s not due.
Mr. Mouse,
Concerning you find at about 6:30 on GoPro Vimeo # 567…
Twisted Ankle posted about the same figure. It does indeed appear to be human.
Many folks including Forrest, SAR and the drone operators have been notified.
The same figure appears after 9:00 in the same video.
I loaded it into Final Cut, After Effects, and Photoshop. I believe it to be a human body.
Let us all hope that it is Randy and that his loved ones get some blessed relief from this horror very soon.
Never be shy about posting what one thinks one sees in photos or videos – the worse that can happen is that one might be wrong. The other possibility is too profound to glance past.
Anxiously awaiting to hear more about this. I think it may turn out to be a trick of scale/light/snow, and not a human body…..but maybe not. It is compelling.
Cursing, Twisted Mouse Ankles – good eyes. ‘-) snerk
It sure looks like the right size and would account for Leo being back at the raft. Beleive there was a picture of him wearing a gray sweatshirt. Also would make sense if he was wearing dark brown neoprene waders.
If he fell or was injured there, he may have crawled out into the open hoping to be spotted.
Would have expected this canyon to have been searched on the first day since it was so close to the raft. Hoping they are able to confirm one way or the other today.
Yes, I’m glad Twistedankle saw my post and decided to take a look, I posted that a couple times in different areas on the site before anyone decided to give it a look then Twistedankle I believe was the first to verify that she/he viewed it the same way. I thought was just my eyes playing tricks on me. Hopefully that is all that it is, maybe just a rock with an odd shape. (FYI, it’s not Mr. Mouse, it’s CursingMouse and not a Mr. lol)
So my son and I hiked from the rim to the raft and then downstream to the southern canyon and up into the southern canyon. It was very rugged and very dangerous terrain. Drone operators found the human looking object and confirmed that it was not a human. The drone operators said unambiguously that he did not go in that canyon. I sent some stuff to SAR for their opinion.
This is as far as I went: Lat: 35.740703 Lon: -106.257641. My boy went in further. This is about as bad a misrepresentation of the terrain I’ve ever seen on google earth. The place I stopped was incredibly rugged. Not bushes on dirt. We were boulder hopping pretty much the whole time. Very dangerous. My boy found some dog prints we sent to SAR for their opinion but they are most likely nothing, fox, coyote, who knows.
I told SAR I thought it was too dangerous to send people in there. That terrain is brutal. Forget google earth. GE makes it look like bushes on dirt. It is boulder hopping at it’s finest. I stopped and let Sam I Am/Uncle Sam/Samuel Clements go in.
—-so, apparently they sent drones back in again to verify that the object was not human. —-
Thank you so much for this confirmation. I am so glad it was not
Randy! Hopefully he will be found soon… till then it’s back to the
video footage I go,
Cursing Mouse, Regarding video 8514, I also magnified it several hundred times and think I can see an oval shape (head), possibly grey sweatshirt, and black torso and legs. I’ve been studying all these videos since they were posted and this is definitely the best image yet. You have a good eye. Babylon Sim must also see it when magnified.
The first morning those videos came available, I scoured through them and caught a glance at that shape immediately. But I passed by on it because it just looked like shadows playing tricks and too small to scale. But you had the courage to beg everyone in each post to please look at it, so I went back and took another look. Twisted Ankle then blew up stills of the video and it started to become clear to me that it might be a human body. Just this morning someone pointed out a tree down in the draw, and I realized my initial error in the size scaling. From looking at the tree size, that shape is most definitely human-size.
If this turns out to be Randy’s body(which I’m pretty sure it might be), I think you and twisted ankle deserve a huge amount of thanks from everyone for the lengths you two were willing to go to, in order to help us see what you did.
I, for one, am so glad there are people like you guys… out there in this great big world.
Hmmm….did you get any response? I tend to think these are searchers, but not sure. Would be nice to know the lat/long coords of those 2 unidentified campers, could these be them? Probably not, but…?
May I make a suggestion? To avoid confusion, when referencing the GoPro videos, please also include the vimeo number. 2 of the GoPros have 2 vimeo vids each:
GoPro564 = vimeo vids ending in 4182 & 0176
GoPro567 = vimeo vids ending in 0197 & 8514
Martin, it doesn’t require a vivid imagination to see the legs and feet draped over the Ponderosa. I see what certainly looks like a body. You have great eyes. I ran it through a program called Neat Video and it was still there.
This is why I have been going on about resolution. If the drone cameras had shot and posted their footage at 2.7K or 4K, it would help. If photographers shooting wide landscape expanses would shoot at 8 or 16 MP it would make all the difference.
I have nothing but respect and admiration for these folks that hike out into that terrain and look for Randy – do not misunderstand me. My point is if something is worth doing, well… just like your father used to tell you.
Thanks to Katya and all the dedicated searchers.
Truly amazing footage. Thank you for sharing this footage and I hope it yields good news.
snow is north face!
Much thanks to all involved.
Thank you Tizz! Thank you Katya!
we’re here and keeping tuned…
Thank you for posting the videos. There’s a lot of land to cover and these videos show us the terrain and what Randy might have been up against. Thanks again!
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many thanks to Katyal, Tizz and the members of Aerocus who made these videos possible. Great job, good resolution videos.
They really put the hunt for Randy into perspective. I could tell from google maps that the terrain was difficult to travel, but after seeing these videos I am just sitting here trying to wrap my mind around what I seen. Truly no place for the meek. A place where a 79 or 80 year old man would hide a 5″ x 10″ x 10″ chest? Not likely imho.
In review of the video’s I could not see anything that would led me to think that Randy had been in that area. The canyon views told me that Randy may have chosen a route that he could stay in the sunshine???
I did not see any sign of a man made shelter or fire. Noted some round pits that could have been old mining test pits or small meteor strikes.
One thing is certain. These videos give us a view of the magnitude of the search for the chest, four states with similar terrain. Considering the amount of time that has passed I am not optimistic concerning the outcome of current searches.
I am not going to give up though, I will review any photos or videos.
https://vimeo.com/153130129
At 4:28 are those holes in the ground?
I saw those and wondered the same as you.
I saw the same thing on GOPRO568.
I saw that too..looks like a couple of sinkholes…GOPRO0568.
Not sure, but I think those may be cairns or just rock piles. The shadows seem to be created by something going higher than ground vs. lower, consistent with the shadows being cast by nearby scrub. Sun being in the southern sky. IMO, of course.
Is it possible to get Lat longs of each launch and landing points?
Wonderful video footage.
I need help with one of them, please. Not sure what I’m seeing.
Video #153125477 2:34 mark
Once at minute mark, please pause and zoom in. I used 200% on my computer.
It’s a dark shadow, just to the left of the first sign of snow (about 1/3 of video scene/middle), near shrubs and rocks. I don’t wish to say what it looks like to me, because I do not wish to influence others thoughts. I would like to know your opinion, please.
Pdenver, at the top of screeb, looks like legs but rewinding a bit, there’s no torso. In about middle right, between two shrubs looks like a dark log of wood, I thought it was someone laying there, no color to it. Looks like a log.
Almost fetal position?
Yes, like it’s laying facing up hill, as drone moved on, it looks like a rock ledge.
Snow in arroyos really make it hard to Destinguish things, also shadowed.
I’ve watched videos 5 times each, nothing.
But will watch again with fresh eyes in morning.
You can tell it’s a rock lip better at around 1:29.
What an excellent effort by the Drone team and all those involved. Thanks.
This shows me the practicality of the drones.
Great footage.
have to watch this a little later
Thank you so much for posting these!
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Thanx Katya – can’t look at them now because I am at work, but will look later on.
Are my eyes playing tricks?
Yellow circle.
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There are so many crevices.
Wonderful footage…Thankyou,Kayt …you Taos guys rock. Makes me want to go out and get me a drone like I wanted to and pay that FAA registration fee.
Wow, looking at this footage by the done-this is the way to search. You can cover so much more ground that is not so easy on foot. It would be great if there could be about five or six drones stage at different locations all along the river. If they could get the camera high enough to video a wide path sweeping back and forth so you can see both directions, like coming and going, however far their range is. They would also need ATV’s to get these drone experts to those spots. I know it’s a lot to ask but if that could happen I believe it would increase the chances of locating Randy. Also map the areas covered. Maybe there’s a group of you guys out there reading this and want to help, this would be great if this could happen. Thanks to all again and to all who continue to make things happen. Bur
I am assuming that the person in the lower right of video vimeo.com/153124182
at 1;29-1:33 is part of the search crew. The person looks like they are bent over, then they stand up.
1:27 – 1:33
I saw that too I would assume its part of the search crew…
Well… there’s certainly no clean exit point. That’s for sure. One thing I have noticed so far (taking my time with these) is lack of footprints in the snow areas. Do we know when the last substantial snowfall was? I was expecting to see SAR footprints in the snow.
I can’t imagine that Randy’s exit plan involved scaling these cliffs, but maybe he had to try due to raft damage.
Am I seeing things? Is that another blue something just left and below of center, under the juniper bush, right at the VERY beginning of the vid?
https://vimeo.com/153124165
Hello Melania. I viewed the video and it’s a small black rock under the bush. Looks like basalt.
Correction:
‘Hello Melanie.’ My apologies. Forgot to proofread.
No worries. Makes me sound foreign and exotic.
Oui! 🙂
But it still looks blue on my monitor. Looks black on yours?
It looks a little blue until I zoomed in and realized it’s really black.
Wow, what a vast area to search coupled with snow and shadows. I applaud all the effort of the search for his young man. While I was viewing the footage, the reality of the situation set it. This make me sad. I am still hoping for a miracle…
Got through the first five – will finish tomorrow night.
can someone try to look at this more closely, I spotted it on https://vimeo.com/153128514 right about 06:29 – 06:43 I had to change the angle but if you zoom in below shadow or cave looking area on cliff it looks like someone either standing or laying on the snow… middle right side of video on patch of snow the first thing I spotted looks like legs ( black pants) and then once zoomed the rest of what may be someone? Please zoom and look carefully.
Also has anyone determined if the two people who appear on the screen on
https://vimeo.com/153124182 at 01:05 are part of the search team or?? One of them appears to run behind a shrub or bush at first and the other is a little below and to the left of him standing and watching.
Hello CursingMouse. The second video shows searchers, one being Katya on the right, further back from the other searcher. The other video is interesting. I, too, thought I saw something on video #153125477 at 2:34 mark. I believe it was Melanie who corrected me.
Hi pdenver – I think you’re referring to my response 1/27 regarding the “sinkholes” which I thought were actually landscape projections. (https://vimeo.com/153130129/by GoPro568).
I did pose a question about the “blue thing” in https://vimeo.com/153124165/by GoPro565, but I don’t think that’s what you’re talking about.
I’ve not commented on either of the 2 vids Cursing Mouse refs (https://vimeo.com/153128514/by GoPro567 & https://vimeo.com/153124182/by GoPro564).
Nor do I recall having any comment regarding https://vimeo.com/153125477/by GoPro 566.
But, it sure is easy to lose track. Hope this clarifies.
Hello Melanie. I just found your response and I apologize for not answering sooner. I returned to where I brought up the question in regards to what I thought I saw as a “human body” in the video on the 26th, and you are absolutely correct. It was Donna M. who responded to me. You and I did speak about the “blue thing” on the 28th and I responded that it was a black rock, possibly basalt. My sincerest apologies to you.
Just didn’t want to assume credit where it’s not due.
Mr. Mouse,
Concerning you find at about 6:30 on GoPro Vimeo # 567…
Twisted Ankle posted about the same figure. It does indeed appear to be human.
Many folks including Forrest, SAR and the drone operators have been notified.
The same figure appears after 9:00 in the same video.
I loaded it into Final Cut, After Effects, and Photoshop. I believe it to be a human body.
Let us all hope that it is Randy and that his loved ones get some blessed relief from this horror very soon.
Never be shy about posting what one thinks one sees in photos or videos – the worse that can happen is that one might be wrong. The other possibility is too profound to glance past.
Anxiously awaiting to hear more about this. I think it may turn out to be a trick of scale/light/snow, and not a human body…..but maybe not. It is compelling.
Cursing, Twisted Mouse Ankles – good eyes. ‘-) snerk
It sure looks like the right size and would account for Leo being back at the raft. Beleive there was a picture of him wearing a gray sweatshirt. Also would make sense if he was wearing dark brown neoprene waders.
If he fell or was injured there, he may have crawled out into the open hoping to be spotted.
Would have expected this canyon to have been searched on the first day since it was so close to the raft. Hoping they are able to confirm one way or the other today.
Yes, I’m glad Twistedankle saw my post and decided to take a look, I posted that a couple times in different areas on the site before anyone decided to give it a look then Twistedankle I believe was the first to verify that she/he viewed it the same way. I thought was just my eyes playing tricks on me. Hopefully that is all that it is, maybe just a rock with an odd shape. (FYI, it’s not Mr. Mouse, it’s CursingMouse and not a Mr. lol)
@miz mouse 🙂
posted by John Brown this evening
http://www.chasechat.com/showthread.php?tid=3561&page=121
So my son and I hiked from the rim to the raft and then downstream to the southern canyon and up into the southern canyon. It was very rugged and very dangerous terrain. Drone operators found the human looking object and confirmed that it was not a human. The drone operators said unambiguously that he did not go in that canyon. I sent some stuff to SAR for their opinion.
and
http://www.chasechat.com/showthread.php?tid=3561&page=122
This is as far as I went: Lat: 35.740703 Lon: -106.257641. My boy went in further. This is about as bad a misrepresentation of the terrain I’ve ever seen on google earth. The place I stopped was incredibly rugged. Not bushes on dirt. We were boulder hopping pretty much the whole time. Very dangerous. My boy found some dog prints we sent to SAR for their opinion but they are most likely nothing, fox, coyote, who knows.
I told SAR I thought it was too dangerous to send people in there. That terrain is brutal. Forget google earth. GE makes it look like bushes on dirt. It is boulder hopping at it’s finest. I stopped and let Sam I Am/Uncle Sam/Samuel Clements go in.
—-so, apparently they sent drones back in again to verify that the object was not human. —-
Thank you so much for this confirmation. I am so glad it was not
Randy! Hopefully he will be found soon… till then it’s back to the
video footage I go,
Cursing Mouse, Regarding video 8514, I also magnified it several hundred times and think I can see an oval shape (head), possibly grey sweatshirt, and black torso and legs. I’ve been studying all these videos since they were posted and this is definitely the best image yet. You have a good eye. Babylon Sim must also see it when magnified.
Hey Mouse…
The first morning those videos came available, I scoured through them and caught a glance at that shape immediately. But I passed by on it because it just looked like shadows playing tricks and too small to scale. But you had the courage to beg everyone in each post to please look at it, so I went back and took another look. Twisted Ankle then blew up stills of the video and it started to become clear to me that it might be a human body. Just this morning someone pointed out a tree down in the draw, and I realized my initial error in the size scaling. From looking at the tree size, that shape is most definitely human-size.
If this turns out to be Randy’s body(which I’m pretty sure it might be), I think you and twisted ankle deserve a huge amount of thanks from everyone for the lengths you two were willing to go to, in order to help us see what you did.
I, for one, am so glad there are people like you guys… out there in this great big world.
Will
Hmmm….did you get any response? I tend to think these are searchers, but not sure. Would be nice to know the lat/long coords of those 2 unidentified campers, could these be them? Probably not, but…?
May I make a suggestion? To avoid confusion, when referencing the GoPro videos, please also include the vimeo number. 2 of the GoPros have 2 vimeo vids each:
GoPro564 = vimeo vids ending in 4182 & 0176
GoPro567 = vimeo vids ending in 0197 & 8514
Oh yeah, and all the vids are linked by vimeo ref’s, not GoPro #’s. Just easier to follow with vimeo ref’s….IMO.
FYI: GoPro566 = vimeo vid ending in 5477
https://vimeo.com/153125477
GOPR0566
At about 1:09
Probably just snow and stuff, but it caught my eye:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D2AMcQ9N4Hk/Vq022ey94oI/AAAAAAAAARE/bQznlOTmjbY/s1600/searchforrandyGOPR0566.0109.jpg
You mean the 2 white dots? That’s all I could see.
Martin, it doesn’t require a vivid imagination to see the legs and feet draped over the Ponderosa. I see what certainly looks like a body. You have great eyes. I ran it through a program called Neat Video and it was still there.
This is why I have been going on about resolution. If the drone cameras had shot and posted their footage at 2.7K or 4K, it would help. If photographers shooting wide landscape expanses would shoot at 8 or 16 MP it would make all the difference.
I have nothing but respect and admiration for these folks that hike out into that terrain and look for Randy – do not misunderstand me. My point is if something is worth doing, well… just like your father used to tell you.
Via Con Dios Amigos