The Blaze…Part Two

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This is the place to discuss the the blaze. What do you think it is? Is it temporary or permanent? Will it be around for a thousand years or doesn’t it matter? Is it easy to spot or difficult? Does the poem tell us what the blaze looks like or what it is?

Nick Lazaredes of SBS-TV’s Dateline in Australia interviewed Forrest in the spring of 2014. Here is Forrest explaining the BLAZE.
https://dalneitzel.com/video/audio/blaze.mp3

793 thoughts on “The Blaze…Part Two

  1. I think its something from Mother Earth and we hope it’s Permanent, and we hope it will be here forever if possible! And it definitely matter’s! It depends on where your at if it’s easy to spot! After you search for awhile and realize it, it makes sense!

  2. I can think of human-made objects that could be almost permanent. For that matter, are “natural” objects always … permanent? But yes, generally speaking, I would agree that the Blaze will more likely be something that is at least semi-permanent, and is likely to be around a good fifty to hundred years. The searcher would do well to keep an open mind when approaching their target area … and be observant.

  3. FF talks about Blaze but the key word in that sentence is wisdom..why simple u cannot find the blaze without using wisdom..

    • @woody, so… I have had a similar thought that has taken me into Mammoth Hot Springs.

      Someone here on the blog named Paul was interested in Minerva as a clue. Mammoth has a Minerva Terrace, but it also has a Hymen Terrace. Hymen’s symbol is a wedding torch. Perhaps the blaze is a torch near wise and weaving Minerva?

      As Paul also sort of pointed out, Mammoth has other features with familiar words, like Pinyon, Thumb, Sheepeater (meek), Soda, Cap, Cedar Tree (wood), Canyon, Clematis (purple/yellow flowers), Joker (in the preface poem), and my favorite, Dude. And the year-round Brown family has been living in Mammoth for some time, plus the bacteria there is multiple colors including brown, and beavers (Beaver Ponds) are also brown. And didn’t F give away mammoth fossil pieces at one point?

      The book has a poem which alludes to gray-gowned patience weaving some cloth (also Minerva?). Perhaps the word that is key is actually “wise”?

      I haven’t put it all together yet because I just hit this one yesterday and haven’t researched enough, but this area certainly does excite me.

      • Several more for TTOTC readers and deep thinkers…

        F speaks about Skippy’s washing machine fan blades, and the car engine fan after Cody ripped it apart… potentially alluding to Fan Spring.

        F suggests his church is in the mountains and along the river bottoms… potentially alluding to Cathedral Rock, or perhaps Pulpit Terrace.

        F suggests reading Catcher in the Rye… potentially alluding to nearby Rye Pond.

        F suggests overhearing two ladies talking… potentially alluding to nearby Ladies’ Lake.

        F suggests being the Grand Marble Champion of the seventh grade… potentially alluding to nearby Marble Terrace.

        F suggests delivering papers as a job… potentially alluding to nearby Paperpicker Spring.

        F suggest he always remembered the saying about stepping on a sidewalk crack… potentially alluding to nearby Sidewalk Spring.

        F names Orange Crush in his list of fizzy soda drinks… potentially alluding to Orange Spring Mound or Tangerine Spring.

        Not to mention the Painted Pool and Palette Terrace for the artwork in his book.

        • A few more…

          Totem Cafe may allude to The Hoodoos.

          A homely girl may allude to Minerva’s nine magpies (nine = kiss) and/or Rustic Falls, where rustic = homely.

          Golden Gate Canyon seems an easy one.

          Sepulcher Loop Trail… well… yeah.

          I’m digging (and old dude term for liking, not literally digging) Rustic Falls at the moment, for obvious TTOTC reasons.

        • In mysteriouswritings.com post Weekly Words from Forrest: Feb 19th, 2016, F suggests “Your destination is small, but its location is huge.” … potentially alluding to “Mammoth” Hot Springs.

          • his seems to be related to his statement about hiding a pop can and his calculation of how much public a person would own. I think it was something along the lines of two thousand some odd feet???

        • F suggests he traded for a painting of fairies dancing around a rock… potentially alluding to Rath Terrace/Spring.

          F suggests listening to “Your Hit Parade”… potentially alluding to the nearby Parade Ground.

          F suggests he could hear the steam engines in the chapter titled Gypsy Magic… potentially alluding to Narrow Gauge Terrace/Spring.

          In the same chapter, a photo of the Main Street Cowboys may potentially allude to Main Springs/Terrace.

          F shows a photo of a bell with a mermaid… potentially alluding to nearby Naid Spring.

          I feel F understated how many hints were available in his book, and after memorizing the poem, and re-reading the book again and again… these are the many potential allusions that have presented for me.

        • Similar to what happens to everyone, we settle on a location to research, and then everything starts connecting whether it should or not. I’m not sure if this is the actual search zone, but it does have a lot of curiosities.

          F describes sliding down a rusty fire escape… potentially alluding to the brown stair-stepping terraces in Mammoth.

          On the bell pic with the mermaid, he misspells the word knowledge, as knowlege. This potentially could allude to Naid Spring which is also outdated or misspelled now, for naiad, of which a mermaid is.

          In his mysterious floating hat Scrapbook post, he also shows a bear in the lake. The combination of these symbols may be alluding to Liberty Cap, Grizzly Lake Trail, and Floating Island Lake, feature names from around the area.

          F posts a blaze in a tree, the shape of a capital F. Zooming in it appears the F has an owl inside of it. Perhaps this owl may be alluding to Minerva and her symbol of wisdom.

          Lookout Point may be tarry scant (look out! Get out of the way!) with marvel gaze.

          Petrified trees may be brave (opposite of petrified) and in the wood.

    • woody, one doesn’t need wisdom to find the blaze.

      But a wise person is perhaps, statistically, more likely than an unwise person . . . to find the blaze.

      This is all quite important to a correct solve, but if I explain
      this in great detail, I’ll be giving away too much information.

      All my opinion. Yours may differ.

  4. One would think FF meant a trail, but he is like a fox. Also, back in the day they use to mark those big cactus and they called that a blaze.

    • hey Ron, hunch here.
      id like to add a footnote to your comment.

      * true a blaze is a trail marker.

      • So true Hunch, but that’s not Forrest blaze. He has repeated what it is over and over, but no one seems to get it. Guess their not reading the poem correctly IMO. Bur

          • hi Melanie, hunch.
            the blaze is your feet. they mark the trail. footprints. you are never more than two feet (your own) from the treasure chest, the mountains.. just have to take that first step.
            as for the poem chest, find the feet, heels high, and its right there.
            there, i done told ya.

          • Hi Hunch. So, all I have to do is wear high heels into the mountains and I’ll find it? Sounds like a good way to twist my ankles and reduce your competition by one. ‘-)

          • Melanie, hunch. no no no. not what i wrote. i said heels high. like when you on your knees working in the garden, toes in dirt heels up. or like in his book TFTW where he talks about diggin for old stuff in the dirt, my prehistoric friends.
            wear your high heels to the gala event with kings and queens an such.

          • Hunch – I was just kidding’ around witcha. When I find the chest maybe I’ll go buy a pair of fancy heels to celebrate, tho.

  5. I’ve said it before, but will repeat for the new searchers. IMO in the Moby Dickens video he says “look for every little abstract THING” in the book. The picture of “Skippy Holding a Rock” stands out as abstract thing, he is leaning on the rock not holding it. IMO the blaze is going to be a large stone or “rock”. It will stand up against the elements for a very long time but it “could be moved” with the right equipment. I don’t have to chest so it could be anything.

    • Amy,
      You might find this book interesting, 170 pages long, written by a woman but strong enough for a man.
      It’s title is “Wings For My Flight”, true story, about an incident in Colorado roughly 40 years ago. It’s one of the many free-reads available thru ‘openLibrary’ or ‘archive.org’

      You might have open an acct. w/ your email, small price to pay for free access to thousands of free books. Colorado is rich in history, not trying to dissuade you from digging holes everywhere. (Leadville)
      Wiki has a better, more concise description of the book than I can give.

      For some reason the free ‘online reader’ experience w/ this Book was clumsy and sort of annoying, but it’s too good a story/ a powerful story between competing interests, that grabs you & won’t let go. Be mindful if reading it in public though, it will bring out the tears.

  6. The sun. Forrest wants us to get outside and enjoy the sunshine. The sun will be here for a thousand years unless it explodes.

    • That would be a heap big problem, C.B. No doubt about that. I really hope that Somebody is in charge. I reckon there is. 🙂

  7. Blaze can’t be seasonal , limited in scope , or something fragile. I’m thinking structure .

    • Ya Sha Wa- come on now leave religion and politics out of this. no need to define a transvestite verb.

  8. I caution u about making a mockery out of Gods name, only fools despise wisdom!!!!

  9. http://mysteriouswritings.com/questions-with-forrest/questions-with-fenn-archive-1/

    “Is the Blaze one single object? ~ Scout Around
    In a word – Yes
    I have received a few hundred emails from searchers who are sure they know what the blaze is. Ideas range from a mark on a tree, a rock, a sign, a fire, the side of a bluff, a waterfall, a spot on the head of a horse, a rainbow, and even a live owl that flew away when it was approached.”
    —————
    I don’t think Forrest would exclude the correct answer or there would be no point to making a list. Besides, that list already stretches reason and I can’t think of anything to add to it. Certainly the dictionary doesn’t offer much else.

    For now I assume the list probably includes the correct blaze.

    I think we can remove those things from the list that don’t stay still, like the owl, the horse, and the rainbow.

    Forrest’s response included the qualifier “In a word –” I presume to avoid quibbling. If we think individually about the remaining possibilities in the list, how many need that qualifier? This is how I would answer each one:

    a mark on a tree: not exactly an object but, in a word, yes.
    a rock: yes
    a sign: yes
    a fire: not exactly an object but yes, if it is contained.
    the side of a bluff: not exactly easy to tell where it starts and stops, but in a word, yes.
    a waterfall: if you consider water a single object and ignore the geography; in a stretch, yes.

    The point I make is that if the blaze were a rock or a sign, his answer might have been a simple “yes”, rather than “In a word– yes.” OK, that was a bit subjective because it depends on my opinion; so now let’s go through the same list, but with respect to Forrest’s post of September 26, 2014

    https://dalneitzel.com/2014/09/22/the-nine-clues-8/

    “..They seemed like nice guys and avid treasure hunters. But there is confusion somewhere. While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there.”

    a mark on a tree: quite feasible to try
    a rock: quite feasible to try
    a sign: quite feasible to try
    a fire: it can be extinguished (not removed), but it can be re-lit as it always would be if that’s the correct blaze.
    the side of a bluff: not feasible
    a waterfall: not feasible

    So, the rock and the sign are now double knocked out. Also considering Scrapbook 148 “The Winds Of Change”, I think the mark on a tree is also double knocked out.

    There is no need for me to write my conclusion. And if you don’t agree, at least you can find all the resources you need in one post now.

    • Muset,
      You said:
      a waterfall: not feasible
      Not feasible to who? Maybe to you & others but it is not off the table.
      It’s not feasible to remove it, Forrest stated.
      Another fact.

      • A waterfall in not the only possibility for waters high.
        Try landlocked lakes on for size.. Look at the poem ” waters ” plural.

        • Chad, you stated:
          “A waterfall in not the only possibility for waters high.
          Try landlocked lakes on for size.. Look at the poem ” waters ” plural.”

          I am looking at the poem. Which poems are you looking at?

        • Chad, In Fenn’s poem, it says “Just heavy loads and water high”. Water is singular in this line. Maybe you are thinking “…where warm waters halt…” Waters is plural in that line. Fenn has mentioned many times that almost every word in the poem is important so it’s probably just as important to make sure you understand EXACTLY what each word is. IMO.

          • I stand corrected 🙂 I should know better than to try to comment when my disability is acting up. Thank you cynthia, glad to see you active.

      • Thanks Jake.

        When I wrote that a waterfall “is not feasible”, it was in the context of whether the blaze can be feasibly removed by a ne’erdowell; not whether a waterfall is feasible as the blaze. Sorry for not being more clear.

    • Muset

      One day my high school age nephew stopped by and I gave him a copy of the poem to read. We were watching the Inside Edition of ff searching for Randy.

      We talked about parts of the poem and he saw my notes on a large drywipe board. When he got to “blaze”, he paused and said, “could it be a ____?”

      I nearly fell on the floor. I never thought that and it made perfectly good sense. So started researching this site and wow, there it was in one of the scrapbook pages. Its in both books in a similar medium. Then I searched some government websites located around my search area and BAM! There it was on one of the websites.

      IMO ff gave a list of what searchers have e-mailed him over the years. I don’t believe he would have put the “blaze” on the list, it would have given away too much information. Besides it’s pretty specific.

      Now I’m working on a method to search for the “blaze” once I’m on the trail.

      PS

      WISE has a direct connection to “blaze” IMO.

      See you on Saturday Windycity.

      • Hi My2Sons.

        Now that you have probably had a chance to search your spot, are you willing to share your idea about what might be added to the list of possible blazes?

    • You could probably include “things that look like” in the list of things you ruled out. Many chase rocks that look like owl’s heads. There’s a number of areas I’ve seen in Google Earth that resemble a horse’s blaze. I’m around horses a lot and their blazes are rather like inkblots and can be applied to a lot of different things. I think they are invariably white, though, so anything that looks like an inkblot that is also white.

    • Muset, hunch.
      how about feet. feetable?
      feet mark or blaze the trail by making footprints.
      ol man Fenn left these off his list.
      i think he even said when he looks quicly down he sees his feet. but im not sure about that. am i going down a slippery slope on my way to self destruction?
      maybe
      certainly today ive got my mouth on a foot.

      • hunch, are u self destructing again?
        Now take your mouth off that foot! Your not a baby anymore.
        Suck on your thumb, it tastes better. Grow up & realize the blaze is something that will last for hundreds of years, nature & man willing IMO.

        • hey Jake! hunch ol buddy. i dont think neither god nor evolution will ever remove feet from the human body. so theres your thousand years.( Treasure chest)

          and the two feet from the chest are on a mannikin, so theres another thousand years. (poem chest)

          initiate self-destruct mode sequence D.A.L.
          (sirens, flashing red lights)

    • Yup — he may have said correct blaze… and you glossed right over it. The Blaze doesn’t have to be a physical object, it can be drawing ever nigh.
      -C

  10. Excellent comments today 🙂 It’s interesting how perceptions vary according to one’s mind’s eye interpretation of Forrest, his poem and “The Blaze.”
    I wonder if anyone is perceiving it accurately…

  11. Mountain shadows creep across the valley floor as the sunsets into the west.
    It’s midday rays once creased the blaze only to flee amongst the trees.
    This is a job for Indiana Jones, Ummm wait could there be a movie plot here;)

    • Chad,
      RE: “Mountain shadows creep across the valley floor as the sunsets into the west. It’s midday rays once creased the blaze only to flee amongst the trees.”

      Very nice! Did you author that, or could you provide the source of its original origin please?

      Thanks!! -SCharlie

      • That is my work. From time to time I find inspiration in the shadows
        of speculation. I aspire to become a writer, yet I realize at times I am just a hack with a keyboard.

        Thank you for encouraging me.

        • Chad,

          I liked what you have begun so much, as it’s very accurate in describing the place, that I took the liberty of adding a verse. I hope that’s ok. I’ve spent some time there recently to be blessed enough to witness the afternoon shadows creeping in as the “changing of the guard” takes place to begin the overnight shift.

          Cheers!
          Redneck Express

          Mountain shadows creep across the valley floor as the sun sets into the West.
          It’s midday rays once creased the blaze only to flee amongst the trees.

          Soon chills of night replace the last light with darkness overcoming this place.
          But all through the night the moon and stars softly illuminate the blaze with their distant gentle rays.

  12. imo – I don’t think that the blaze has anything to with a blaze – imo if you go to heavy loads and waters high – and if you’ve been wise and found the (place) look quickly down your quest to cease just take the chest and go in pease imo that’s how I understand it

    • Forrest experimented with tree carvings in his yard. In the end they did not last for very long due to a tree disease. Subsequently the trees were cut down and replaced with pines. This may not be entirely correct due to my faulty memory atm.

        • Thank you pdenver, seems such a long time ago that I had read that scrapbook.
          It was quite refreshing to parse it again. Forrest can really paint a picture with words. Looking at the photo on the right side proves my point. Given time a dead tree’s bark will fall to the ground and return to the soil, continuing the cycle of life.

          • Hello Chad. You’re welcome. The scrapbook should put to rest the idea that the blaze is not on a tree. Although, some may feel that there’s trees that are 100’s of years old and could test the time. I would believe the threat of a forest fire should answer that possibility.

          • Personally I think Forrest has a lot of respect for the land. With this in mind one can safely dwell on ” What could be used as a natural blaze? ” Something that would be in place 100 to 1000 years from now. A good example is how the spanish explorers of america ( circa 1500 to early 1800’s A.D. ) used natural mountain formations to denote trails to mines in places like Az etc.

            If a person is not open minded and creative they walk right by these formations without realizing what they signify. Some suggested reading for those that are of a mind to learn about this. Research Spanish treasure trails of the west. Lost spanish mines. And the like. A lot of interesting information there.

          • Hello Chad. I agree that it must be something that should be natural. For example, there’s a spot in Rocky Mountain National Park called “The Diamond.” There’s trails around there and people have climbed it. I’ve never been close to the area; only see it while I’m camping. It would definitely make a good blaze.

          • Sadly I have never been to 3 of the states mentioned as search areas. I was born in one of them but have never returned to it. Hopefully life will stop laughing when tossing me another joker and decide to smile on me. From photos I have seen posted here and elsewhere. I would like to visit YNP, The Grand Canyon etc. Although it is what it is, I still have my mission to move to SoCal and rehab a home I have there. The area offers me some relief from my disability and some prospects for adventure. Ca or bust lol.

          • Hello Chad. Life will smile upon you. You just wait and see. Never been to The Grand Canyon, but been to Yellowstone many times and will be there this summer. If you get the chance, I highly suggest Yellowstone. Once you experience it, you’ll want to go back. Just ask Mr. Fenn. 🙂

            By the way, there’s definitely plenty of natural blazes in Yellowstone, too. 🙂

  13. Ok. I was not going to.get involved in these blogs but after keeping an eye on Dals for the past several months and completing my first search yesterday I feel compelled. I am not going to say I had the correct solve in fact probably nowhere close. But, as thousands of other places in the rocky mountains and like all of us, it made sense at the time and couldnt sleep at night until you get some foot to ground action. I followed the poem and took a very nice 3 mile hike through the forest along a stream. I have 3 questions regarding where I went. 1. Who else has searched Bandelier National Park, NM? 2. Do you consider Jemez mountain to be part of the rockies and at least 8.25 miles north of santa fe? I feel this may have something to do with the declination lines on his map. But I do recall Fenn providing exact coordinates as to what he considered north of santa fe but have not been able to locate it again. 3. Do I need a tshirt or ticket to show up for fennborie? All the campgrounds in the area are full, can I just bring a huge platter of.food and show up like Saturday? Thanks for your input.

  14. I think it’s important that the blaze is mentioned in past tense – if you have been wise and found the blaze – as opposed to other lines which aren’t – “Begin it where…”, “Put in below…”, ” etc.

    Also, note that “There’ll be no paddle up your creek…” is in a future tense.

    Does anyone else see significance in this?

    • Naught very good thinking I think ever thing is visual I think the poem leads us to a spot and then the clues are blazes not just one specific blaze but that’s my thoughts

      • Hi Old choctaw,
        I have tinkered with that ideal and it does seem to fit in a odd sorts of way.
        Of note is the way the poem leads us from one point to another. Given in words is the path. Which is based on a person’s perception and understanding of the meaning of the words used. Some of the words may be taken literally, while others are based in an imaginative concept. Take for instance ” And take it in the canyon down. ” Imho this means several things. The literal part is obvious, it is the creative mind that comes into play to move beyond this and ferret out other meanings. One of my favorites is a road or trail that leads one to the Hob.

    • Yes, If it were not a contraction word, it would be “There will”. He is hiding the “will”. His father’s name was William, he also mention that he was “Brave”. It is not much use on the top surface, but when you start figuring things out, then “Will” makes sense
      I’ve used “Brave-Heart- William Wallace/Mel Gibson in most of my solve. ALot within the movie “Conspiracy Theory”. The entire movie is tagged with “The Catcher in the Rye”. Lots of little hints and clues in there IMO

    • The significance of the change in tense seems to be that FF is describing the situation for a searcher who has just exited his/her vehicle and is heading out on foot.

      In other words at that point, the searcher should have already identified the blase. And as the searcher plods forward on foot, the searcher should not expect any clues or hints upstream on some creek or canyon. Indeed, there may not even be a creek or canyon.

      • Hi Ken,
        Please see my reply to Old choctaw.
        Indeed this particular part of the poem. Is several fold in nature.
        It can be taken as a statement which reassures the searcher.
        ” “” ” “”””” “”” as an indicator that the path to take has already
        been stated in the preceding stanzas.

        • Chad the place I search has on the walls of the canyon the three boysand girl playing marbles and the lumber jack looking up to crescent moon with dove nesting and then the dancing gypsy s and the wagons above that skippys plane love to tell location and middle of may i will reveal but imo the chest is waiting for me

          • I know the area, best of luck to you. I will be looking forward to reading about your chase. Take a lot of notes and pictures as you go. They will aid you in recalling your adventure. 🙂

    • Naught – In MY solution (and I am not so foolish and stupid to claim that I am correct), both the past tense and future tense are critical factors in what I have found and am looking for.

      The past tense of the blaze line affects the words f used and the meanings that I am attempting to use to identify a “blaze”. The future tense of “There’ll be no paddle up your creek” when I go hiking has an alternate for my search area that there is a paddle up it at a time when I do not or should not go there; I have said that a bit cryptically, but in reality, it is nothing like the pictures that pop into peoples’ heads as they read it, and its meaning to me is something that I have never seen discussed as an idea on the blogs.

      f crafted this poem very carefully and changed the words over and over so as to get the intended meanings that can correctly identify the places of the clues while still making them appear to be general, vague, and very difficult (but not impossible) to determine. Every word of the poem has been carefully selected and it is not wise to discount any of them; though there are certainly a few words in the poem that will not help you get to the chest.

      Keep observing and thinking!

      • He has said, it’s fun to arrange words in such as way that you have to smile at the end of a sentance.

        So three sentences below, which two are similar?
        From there it’s no place for the meek.
        From here it’s no place for the meek.
        Next is no place for the meek.

        • Musstag,
          You are messing with his poem.
          I don’t think removing words & replacing them with different words is what Forrest meant.

          • The point was missed. The first line is from the poem , un changed, but In relation To the other 2, does it still mean the same thing to you, or to most. From there, In words only,without pointing to a direction, could mean away from there,
            there being hoB, or it may mean next to hoB.

          • No Musstag,
            The other 2 lines have different meanings to me.
            I musst be missing something.
            Maybe someday I will find what is missing.

          • that changes it musstag, in that case, your example, first two are similar to me. Depends I guess where you are standing.

          • Charlie,
            Throw your numbers game out the window if you have one.
            Get back to the basics.
            11=80
            Oh! 80 has something to do with this, doesn’t it?

          • Ok, last attempt at this… it’s out there on the edge….. and may not be right anyhow.
            …… aw it’s just to many key strokes to continue…….
            Quick version.
            Tc is at a special, peaceful place., right? And there is some evidence that hoB and the blaze are next to or together. So stanza 3 is about life “away” from this special place ( the chest) . So you may not ever see no place for the meek, no end, no up your creek, no loads or hi water in the geography of the area, these things are what we all experience away from here in ours lives.

          • OK Musstag,
            You typed: “Tc is at a special, peaceful place., right?”
            Yes it is.

            “And there is some evidence that hoB and the blaze are next to or together.”
            It all depends on your POV & what people think “next to” or “together” means in there mind.
            It could mean New Mexico is next to Utah. Is it not?
            Your losing me Musstag.
            “no loads or hi water in the geography of the area”
            Knowledge of geography would help, not hurt, water high is geo, what is geo?

            If this is your last attempt, which I doubt, I look forward to your refined next attempt.

          • @Jake, it sure does. Possible it is the “elevation” forward and reverse. (8008). 🙂

        • @Musstag, agree with Jake. Unless you are “instructed” to do something. Like, the word “no”, could be “no” P, or “no” place. So, “From there it’s lace for the meek”( “no” P). Something like that is possibly him having fun arranging words in a way to make you smile. Then I believe that’s within the rules. But to change and replace for no reason, nope.

          Instructed= yes.
          guessing= no.

          IMO

        • Great point, Musstag – I know you’re not “messing with the poem”, but just showing how crafty ol’ FF can be with words.

          I have a great example of that – he said that “the treasure is below 10,200 feet” – most everyone agrees he is stating an upper limit for the location; however, I believe he is telling us that the treasure is located below a specific peak whose elevation is around 10,200 feet.

          All my opinion, of course. 😉

          • Ooohhhh, that’s good Naught. IMO, you are sooo right. I get 10,211 ft. but it’s a give or take about 20′.

    • Naught, I certainly see significance in it . . .

      It was critical to my solve, and I plan to have BOTG in about
      2 weeks.

      I’m reluctant to say more about this right now.

      The above is just my opinion. Yours may differ.

      Good luck to all searchers. Please stay safe.

  15. have any of you counted the POSSIBLE clues in the poem? I count many more than 9. Do we disregard some?

    • greetings Whut.

      Forrest has stated there is 9 clues in the poem.
      I am of the opinion that the poem also holds hints hidden within
      what would seem to be bylines or casual comments.

  16. 1. Riches new and old
    2, Warm waters halt
    3. Take it….canyon down
    4. Not far…….walk
    5. Put…..HOB
    6. No place for meek
    7. End drawing nigh
    8. no paddle
    9. loads
    10. water high
    11. wise
    12. blaze
    13. look quickly down
    14. tarry scant
    15. marvel gaze
    16. hear me and listen good
    17. effort worth the cold
    18. brave
    19. in the wood

    am I missing some?

    • I only see nine, 九, nege, , дзевяць, naoi, εννέα, neuf, sembilan, תֵשַׁע, nio,
      Your missing some alright. Even Charlie knows the square route of 81, √9 = 3, because 32 = 3 × 3 = 9 Have a good night سعة

          • Maybe he could post just that as scrapbook 32. No need to get into it, just “I don’t like this number. Move on.” It would be less mysterious to newcomers that way. ?

        • Hello DP, hunch here. theres no scrapbook 32 to direct your attention to book #32 in the Hardy Boys mystery series. check it out. their father reminds them to take a sandwich and a flashlight.
          you can thank me later.
          over n out.

      • square route of 81, nope, never been on that hwy. I do know the square root of 81 though. Happy Days…

    • IMHO – Yes, you missed some. BUT you do have 9 clues (he never said it was ONLY 9 or EXACTLY 9 – which means to me and IME (In My Experience) it could be MORE than 9 : )

      • You make a good point TLA,
        I cannot recollect Forrest ever saying there are ONLY & or EXACTLY nine clues in the poem.
        But has someone asked him how many clues there are in the poem? I would think so. We will have to check. Because if he answered, the thought is for not.

        • Jake,

          I was headed to bed but this caught me,,,If you could ask FF, what do you think his answer would be?

          • Thank you Loco,
            I think you just put that thought to rest for the last time until the next time.
            This was as close as a hand grenade landing a few inches away without being able to pick it up & throw it back at the attacker.

      • I can’t believe I am going to answer this…

        From the book TTOTC – the sentence that introduces the poem…

        “So I wrote a poem containing nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure:”

        9 clues –> follow them precisely –> will lead you to the treasure.

        If you are finding more than nine clues and perusing that as a solution, then please, keep going in that direction.

        • OH! Watch out, another grenade.
          JCM, you are just making sure the thought was not moving anymore, right?
          I think it’s dead, for now.

          • Not if no one has asked Forrest if there’s any hints in the poem.

        • Will try this again.

          It does have 9 clues AND MORE IMHO – that, IF followed precisely –

          does not say follow 9 clues precisely or them precisely.

          Look at what it does say : )

  17. I’m thinking
    1. # 2
    2. 3
    3. 4
    4. 5
    5. 8
    6. 9 and 10 combined
    7. 11 and 12
    8. 13
    9. 19

  18. sorry to be so gabby, but…

    didn’t FF say the first 2 clues got you close, but people went right on by without knowing how close they were.

    but, too far to walk isn’t exactly close. Do people drive by on a hwy?

    • My personal view is they were in the parking area at sometime or another.
      Forrest has also indicated that searcher send him emails about their searches

    • Whut, it’s quite possible (IMHO) that if the first 2 clues took you to, say, a long trail in a canyon, you could walk down that trail and pass within 200′ of the treasure without knowing.

    • Whut? – You will probably want to rethink your list of clues as there is 9 of them in the poem that will get you to the chest according to f. If you think that the people who got 2 clues correct then went past the other 7 and you think they walked past them, then you need to get the last 7 clues past the line NF,BTFTW.

      Welcome to the great conundrum. Good Luck!!!

  19. is the hwy within the 1000 feet FF says “he knows people have been within”?

  20. I see a guy named “Whut?” asking a lot of “ifs” on this blaze thread. 😉

    • sorry. don’t know my way around yet. Re: the blaze–how about a sunset? If you are in a canyon could the sunset mark the “look quickly down”?

      • There’s been a few ideas floating around about the blaze being related to the Sun and/or sunsets. I like the idea of the sun showing through something and marking a spot, like the map room in Raiders of the Lost Ark. It was presented as a possibility in the recent Travel Channel show Expeditions Unknown with Josh Gates about the Forrest Fenn treasure. Do you think the poem hints at a sunset?

        • Hey Jeremy, I have not noticed that it had. But if ff has used the sun the poem would need to hint as to the season, or date. I guess if did and it was sunset, sunset would give the time of day. Have you seen a season reference?

          • @Yiga

            I haven’t put a lot of thought into season references (or other time based ones), but since you asked here’s me giving it a shot…

            ***

            There is a changing of past tense (first line) to present tense (other lines) in the first stanza.

            “Begin it where warm waters halt” could be instructions to begin it when temperatures change, which could be seasonal.

            “The end is ever drawing nigh” could be temporal, and could be end of day or sunset, or even the end of a season (such as Fall).

            In the fourth stanza, “quickly” and “scant” sound like they are time based and I think if we put seasonal ideas into the third stanza (as Fall), “found the blaze” in the fourth could be a reference to the next season (especially Spring or Summer), as in instructions to wait for Spring/Summer, which is a theme that has been reiterated lately.

            Another switch between past and present tense in the fifth stanza.

            Interestingly the sixth stanza seems like the first jump to future tense with “will be”. Also, of course, “worth the cold” could be Winter or nighttime, again reiterated lately in the Fundamental Guidelines which state “Never search alone or in the winter when nighttime temperatures are low.”

            ***

            How’d I do? 🙂

          • Hi ya JP,
            Hope you don’t mind me tossing this out there.
            Things to consider inho are Geography ( i.e. land features ) Altitude, Geology, History and possibly Paleontology. Also Ecology of a given area. ( How diversified is it? )

            Think about it for a moment.

  21. Thanks for the reply Jeremy,

    I will have to chew on it once or twice, so my brain will stop flipping. It’s complicated, but when was it easy?

    Thanks Jeremy

    Chad I just saw your thought, and I tend to agree. But then again none of us have the chest do we?

    Thanks guys. I’m till working on the poem. Old thoughts are coming back.

    Gotta go dinner time with my wife

      • No, he did not. But he did say that If we think we can find it. Thinking is not easy with today’s gaming texting machines. But that is part of his motive. I guess. IMO

    • So, if you’ve found the (correct) trail, look quickly down your
      quest to cease? Good luck with that. Please be safe.

  22. “The path isn’t a straight line; it’s a spiral. You continually come back to things you thought you understood and see deeper truths”

    – Barry Gillespie

  23. Any thoughts about the words tarry scant and marvel gaze having a connection to race horses? Let’s say, “what if” the blaze is related to the white stripe on a horses nose, but it relates to a horse racetrack. As a kid I used to watch the horse races on tv with my parents and the horses had some weird names. I can picture a couple of horses named tarry scant and marvel gaze. Probably not though. I’m just using my imagination.

    • This is a great question. So the reason that racing horses have such weird names is because there’s a naming rights authority that imposes restrictions against previous names being used and other content-related restrictions. That’s how it got started at least. I suspect now that it’s just because people enjoy the tradition. The naming authority is The Jockey Club, and you can search their database of names here:

      https://www.registry.jockeyclub.com/registry.cfm?page=namesrch

      I live in Kentucky, so I already think horses whenever something like “blaze” pops up, but there’s another good reason to think horses that I came across by accident. I don’t know much about fishing, so I went to the library to look at some books on fishing. When I was looking for the shelf on fishing books (799), I was surprised to see all these books on horses and horse racing right above them (798). They’re side by side. In other words, even if Forrest isn’t into horse racing directly, there’s reasons why he might have considered horses when thinking up clues.

      • I tried that link and found a “tarry not” and “marvellous gaze”. Both horses names were used in 2006. Are we sure Forrest doesn’t like gambling on horse races?

        • I haven’t personally seen anything where he said he doesn’t like horse racing.

          • Also, who wouldn’t like horse racing? 🙂

            It’s “the most exciting two minutes in sports”. American Pharaoh this past year won the first Triple Crown since 1978, then went on to win the first Grand Slam of horse racing, ever, with the Breeder’s Cup right here in Lexington. That’s history unfolding before our eyes!

      • That’s interesting. Did you notice the line of light going across the finish line? There’s so many ideas for a blaze.

        • I am sorry I am just not feeling this.
          Thinking back to Forrest’s comments, he has only referred to a horse only once
          as an example of what a blaze could be. Consider his examples and think
          ” What else could be a blaze “

      • Hey Jeremy P. – that’s an interesting track I’ve not seen chased down. But, I’m trying to determine how knowing names of race horses would apply. From your link I briefly looked at naming rules: “A reserved name must be used within one year from the day it was reserved. Reserved names cannot be used until notification requesting the assignment of the name to a specific horse is received by the Registry Office. If the reserved name is not used within one year from its reservation, it will become available for any horse. A fee is required to reserve a name.”

        So, if Forrest jointly owned a race horse or followed a specific stable of race horses, would you be trying to determine which training stable, or downs is in the Rockies? I will state that the definition of ‘down’ I use in solution(s) is down in elevation, south, and also across the down (open area). And I do believe he is more of a cowboy than we realize.

        • Anna, I don’t know what, or if any, way it would way it would be used. I was just providing some background info on horse racing if it helps, since it’s something I know about. Your guess is as good as mine.

      • This is over a year old now, but I just checked that site and neither of those horses’ names is there any more…

  24. I would suggest other forms of “Racing” that will have you on the edge of your seat!:

    http://www.ppihc.com/

    Other links from this site are also available and highly recommended.

    Let me know what you think!

    SL

  25. Given that Forrest flew the fastest jets in the world as his job & ‘test drove’ new airplanes for the AF, I can’t imagine he doesn’t love speed and racing in many forms.

  26. Anna,

    Yes; these traits would seem a natural…..IMHO. ( I wouldn’t doubt that the “Flyer” appreciates Tesla.)

    SL

      • Hi Dal any news on randy and hows Forrest and how are you are you gearing up for the spring hunt. I’m thinking of traveling back to look for randy maybe this week. Please give me any news you know. Thanks Dal JB RC and Titan

        • Does anyone know of the idea posted on Dals site about having Forrest.s nephew search the lake for Randy? It was statd that Forrest.s nephew was part of a group that helped familes for free if the familes could not afford such a search.

          • Arnold-
            Look at the link below for info about the body recovery team. They cannot do anything in that water til the ice is gone and with all the jurisdictions along the river and lake it might be impossible anyway.
            National Parks, National Forest, State Parks Pueblo, Los Alamos, County…

            http://www.innerspaceexploration.org

        • Here’s a big “what if”. What if Randys disappearance was no accident. I’ve been observing the comments and characters on the chase blog for a few months and some searchers seem pretty obsessed. That’s what prompted me to leave early to go on my hunt. The perils of winter seemed nothing in comparison to the shady competition.

          • Personally I highly doubt any skullduggery was afoot as far as Randy is concerned. Furthermore, I highly doubt that anyone posting on this blog would stoop so low. I hear the next flight to alpha centory will be leaving in an hour from Rowswell….

          • C.B., I think that your time would be better spent trying to solve the poem, instead of losing any sleep over Randy.

            On the other hand, if you think he was on a reasonably sensible route leading to the TC, I guess you could go where
            he went, but only after being TOTALLY
            CONVINCED that you have solved the
            ENTIRE poem, at least to the point of
            looking for the blaze. If you don’t have
            all the appropriate clues figured out
            before leaving home, you’re wasting
            your time, in my opinion. And EVERY
            clue has to be compatible with ALL
            the others.

            If you do follow the path that Randy
            took, I urge you to take some sensible adults with you, and please, PLEASE don’t take any physical risks that would put anybody in danger of injury. Please
            also remember that FF wants family
            groups (including children, for Pete’s
            sake!) to be searching. Therefore,
            the search should be pretty safe, and
            in safe locations, from start to finish.

            The above is just my opinion.

            Yours may differ.

            Good luck. Please STAY SAFE.

          • Andrew Jef, I wrote that “what if ” a few months ago after a hacking incident in my email. I felt violated and ticked off. Everything’s resolved now, and looking back, it probably had no connection to the chase.
            Best,
            -C.B.

          • I will add that I don’t believe anyone would be interested in my solve anyway. Forrest gets hundreds of email a day from searchers claiming to know where the chest is and the right solution to his poem. Everyone has their own ideas on what the blaze is. It could be many things.
            Good luck in your search….
            -C.B.

  27. IMO the Blaze may or may not be in the Rocky mountains. I cannot tell you more .

    • Where would the blaze be if it led you back to the Rocky Mountains? How is that possible???

      • JC, There are multiple pathways to the treasure. The blaze is used differently in each pathway. One path uses the Blaze as the torch held by Lady Liberty in NYC. The line in the poem.. if you’ve been wise and found the blaze, look quickly down, your quest to cease. bee[ NWISE…NYC} See it?
        Drop your gaze down below the torch, she holds a tablet upon which are roman numerals including 2 C’s. {to cease} The numerals are the date July 4, 1776. This references a landmark southeast of Red River, NM, 4th of July Canyon. It is simply a sign to the searcher that u are on the correct path..Not a “the treasure is here” hint. Much like Touch Me Not Mtn east of there, north of Eagles Nest. Remember….Do Not Touch!!….from the book? Again, just a hint to you that you are proceeding correctly. Don’t rush to Red River as it is simply along the way of one path and the path actually jumps out of NM to another state, IMHO. Perhaps this is what Mr Coffee is referencing. Go get a full size Rand McNally atlas. Turn to the page that has the blowup of Long Isalnd New York. Off the east tip is Gardners Island. Very slowly close the atlas and see where Gardner Island touches the opposite page. This is not a X marks the spot clue, just a hint at a general starting point for one pathway. Again, just my opinion and worth just what you paid for it.

  28. FF in his writings reveals what the blaze is…but he doesnt use the word Blaze he calls it something else..When those searchers figure out that FF was talking about them within 200 feet and figure out what the blaze is they will find the treasure…yea..oh right now its WET

    • Ummm Ahh. just call me stupid. What exactly would you be referring
      to as wet. I have not reviewed the video for the date of broadcast.
      If it was in late march or april, yeah it would be wet.

    • Woody, I think I know why FF estimated the distance as within
      200 feet. I can imagine searchers walking within 200 feet of
      the blaze without identifying — or even seeing — it. But I
      haven’t seen anything “in his writings” that reveals — or even hints at — what the blaze may be.

      Would you care to give us some kind of “hint” at your idea of what the blaze is? Here’s a hint of my idea of what it is:

      It’s a natural feature (not man-made), and is likely to last hundreds of years from now, without looking much different
      than it now looks. I agree that in early March this year, it
      may have been wet, but it may have been dry.

      I don’t believe it’s in a stream, creek, brook, river, lake,
      pond, puddle, bay, lagoon, sea, or ocean or other thing
      that would commonly be called a body of water. Fog,
      maybe . . . but I tend not to think of fog being in the
      Rocky Mountains, unless it’s near a fairly large body
      of water.

      I admit that as of March 8 at 1:03 pm, I don’t know what the weather was like at the blaze’s location . . . so I don’t know whether rain or snow played a role in determining how wet
      the blaze would have been at that time (based on common definitions of “wet”). Also, the blaze is more than a thousand feet from the nearest human trail.

      The above is just my opinion. Yours may differ.

      Good luck to all searchers. Please be safe.

  29. Jake, Your right about BOTG..I have been living outside the US and the first I heard about the treasure is when an individual went missing this year..I became very interested in FF treasure and started to review/research the nine clues and came up with a location..After reading other adventures I found that there were some who have already searched that area..I believe they did not know what the blaze was so they walked right by the treasure within 200 feet..FF says the first two clues have been identified..If I don’t go back to Philippines then I will do BOTG..The good news is my brother has been going there since 1990 so he knows the area and where I feel the treasure is..I came to my conclusion after talking to him about the area and the nine clues..

    • Woody,
      Welcome to the world of the Forrest, where there allot more positive stories than negative ones. It would be nice if you could get out there & explore yourself to witness the natural beauty & smell the mountains. Understanding you have prior engagements to the Philippines but your brother can put BOTG for you is a good thing, especially knowing the area better than you.
      Yes there have been may others searching the same area, but who knows if they searched well enough & didn’t recognize the blaze.

      I like to say the first clue is in Wyoming & the final is in Montana as well as you had stated. That doesn’t make us right & all else is wrong, just means we agree on something.

      I have only commented on Dal’s blog since late July, but there are many others that have been here since it’s inception & have made many BOTG trips, take a look at Dal’s Adventures. Just to know I was in Nevada a few years ago looking makes me feel embarrassed after further info was released. Speaking of which, you actually have an advantage as well as other new searchers cause, you can see most of our mistakes, if you have the time.

      Good luck Woody & think safe.

  30. Jake, thanks for your comments I appreciate your honesty and glad to hear you agree on the first and last clue..I cant waite to read about your next adventure..when do you think you will be heading back out?

  31. A suggestion for the blaze is a last name of “Albright”. For instance

    Ronald E. Albright
    Died in Albany County, Wyoming in plane crash of United Airlines flight 409.

    A name like this might assist in knowing you are on the right track. I know some of you are searching in the area of this Flights crash site.

  32. Jake, what are your toughts on this:

    HELP: I have a question that could be a game changer and prove my location is wrong..Mr. Forrest Fenn in an interview on 4 Feb 15, you can review the interview at Youtube, said “if I was standing where the treasure chest is I would see trees, mountains, animals, I would smell wonderful smells of pineneedles or pinyon nuts sage brush and I know the treasure chest is wet..well you’ve asked me alot of questions and most of them I have answered a few I havent I got to tell you there is one thing I have told u that I wish I had not.”

    The question is what did he say that he would take back the answer is a game changer why because it would eliminate two more states.

    Pinon nuts come mainly from the Pinon pine tree, a two-needled pine which grows wild in the states of Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, and

    If Mr. Forrest Finn truly meant pinon nuts then that means the treasure is only in Colorado and New Mexico?

    • Woody,

      IMO that is not the real hint in that statement. Occasionally it’s wise for the fox to dress like the hound. I believe ff may have slipped that pinon nut statement and recant in there purposely to hide the real hint.

    • Mr. Fenn said pine needles OR pinyon nuts. That leaves all 4 states open. I have never seen the entire interview, only the segment where he makes that statement that you quoted. I would like to see the entire interview. That might shed some light on what he may have said that he wished that he had not.

        • Thanks for posting that. I have seen that whole segment. However, At the start, there are several folks talking and making comments. Later when Mr. Fenn starts to speak, it seems to me that may have been more to the interview that was not included. It seems to be a very short comment be a complete interview. I can’t prove it, but I suspect the conversation was longer than what we hear from Mr. Fenn in that video. IMHO, of course.

          • Hello Windy City. The people you hear talking in the video before Mr. Fenn speaks are those who are with the radio industry; probably speaking to the listeners and speaking of Mr. Fenn’s chase. The Searchers-New Mexico segment is for tourist purposes for people to come to New Mexico. Many states do this. 🙂

          • yes, but I think that the interview session was most likely longer than the one short comment. Therefore, the statement that he regretted making may not be in the video.

          • Hi Windy,
            I have to agree with you. something just doesn’t feel right with that video.

            Of note is one does not hear the questions being ask. So I get this feeling
            that an important clue ended up on the editing block.

          • Hello Windy City. I agree the interview was longer than what’s shown. Those involved with the industry like to cut and splice and intrigue the listeners. It appears they may have cut the part where Mr. Fenn said something he wished he hadn’t. Darn. 🙂

          • “What if” we could get the uncut version? That would a big “what if.”

          • Hello Windy City. That’s a pretty interesting, “What if?”. It’s possible someone may have tried. Give them a call or drop an email to them and see what happens. It might give you a peace of mind.

      • Sherlock Holmes needed five orange pips to solve a mystery, we only have one to go on, in my humblest opinion. Maybe I should start over, again.

    • Woody, I’d like to point out a few things If I may… I’ve been doing this a long time… Five years now… And from what I’ve learned, you have to “listen good” to every little thing Forrest says and pay close attention to how he says it. In his video interviews, you have to watch his body language, eye movement, what he’s wearing, even what’s around him. If he has the opportunity to set up the scene and be creative, he will. When he speaks, what may come off as an innocent stutter or misspoken word, that very easily could be a hint. And even after the so-called slip-up has been made and he later recants it, he’s still put it out there whether you choose to use it or not. He’s as sharp and sly as they come, so pay very close attention.
      I also believe some of his hints may be directed toward specific individuals. IMO there ARE hints there if you’re perceptive enough to detect them. Only problem is, from there you have to interpret the hints correctly and feel confident that you understand what he’s conveying and how it could fit into the correct solve. Whatever that is… No easy task.
      All of this is just my opinion. So welcome Woody, and good luck in your search.

      • WiseOne, Woody, f may stage settings when possible but i don’t think he ever gives hints which are directed at individuals. He’s too smart to engage in that and has said publically he would not assist anyone.

        So if Forrest staged his setting for this interview what do you observe? Smiling and content; at home; outdoors with 3 dogs, cowboy hat, jeans. Indoors he is seated in his den; legs are crossed; fingers hidden; feet not visible, elbows showing out of short sleeve blue shirt. Sheepish boy-like charm as he talks about Peggy. Old books and arrangement of may be important. I believe there could be more hints if we listen for the whisper of his dolls. I did some digging. When compared with F’s photos in his book “Historic American Indian Dolls” only 9 dolls are shown. I could only identify a few including: Cheyenne doll from plate 42 1880; Northern Cheyenne; Sioux from plate 37, 1865; Crow; and Apache from plate 27, 1895.
        Apache were predominately in Arizona which ff eliminated from search area. my guess, he’s hinting at Wyoming, possibly Big Horn country straddling Mt/Wyoming.

        Would enjoy hearing your observations as well. I enjoy hearing and learning from others opinions.

        • Hi Anna, I think you’re right about the dolls being a hint… Especially the Cheyenne Doll. I noticed that a while back ago.
          After I reviewed the video again a couple times, I tried counting how many hints I felt were in there. I counted twenty two. I only see one “visual hint” while he’s sitting in the chair being interviewed, but heard several verbal hints. Most of the other visual hints were in the short, pieced-together clips that preceded.
          So four good hints and the rest possible confirmations to coincide with my theory/solution… Hope that makes sense.

    • Woody & others,
      This is one of the article where the statement was made about “I’d smell wonderful smells, of pine needles or piñon nuts or sagebrush.”
      And he said he erred in mentioning piñon nuts. He really meant pine needles. (writer)

      The writer was apparently paraphrasing or quoting Forrest???
      You will have to make up your own mind on this one after reading the whole article.

      http://www.santafenewmexican.com/life/features/state-tourism-ad-aims-to-draw-treasure-hunters-but-fenn/article_5abf4aa5-c34a-5ad3-9dfe-bbd4ac3bb524.html

  33. Windy City, pinyon nuts are not in Wyoming or Montana, only in Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, and Utah. doesn’t matter I believe Mr. Forrest Fenn was referring to pine needles

    • Correct. However his statement pine needles or pinyon nuts leaves all 4 states open. Ponderosa Pine in the North, and Pinyon nuts further South. IMHO, of course.

  34. like SL stated, you can find a small area in southwestern WY where the pinon tree habitat has been documented and mapped. It is a small area, but if you use pinon as a hint, then the only state that is out of the search area is MT.

  35. Jake,

    If that “tiny little dot” should just happen to bring a Searcher(s) chase closer to the Chest; let that wind prevail!

    Smell on!!

    SL

  36. At the end of the interview, the commentators said that said that no digging would be involved and you wouldn’t have to disturb anything.(paraphrased). I never heard anything of that sort in the interview.

      • Sorry meant to add, that yes it was the commentator that said that Fenn said that but we have no direct qoute from the man himself to collaborate this statement.

        • Actually I think we do if my memory isn’t failing me. Somewhere he said we wouldn’t need tools – I just don’t know where he said it but, if you do a search, you may be able to find the statement. It may have been in an email.

          • I think this is probably the one you are thinking of…

            Just so all you seekers know, me and the lads did not dig beneath that thar tree of ours. A mysterious fellow named “f” once sent us a curious poem, part of which said somethin’ like: “…while fools argue about the quest, he won’t even need a tool, as he carries out the chest.”
            https://dalneitzel.com/2012/04/05/stephan-returns-to-the-blaze/

  37. Fundamentally, with the large area involved in the search, I have to believe that Forrest is using macroscopic terms to identify the location. Furthermore, these macroscopic terms will lead you to target areas and your search will make sense in a microscopic sense (hence why he said people have been within 200′ of the treasure.

    “The blaze” is a grove/forest of deciduous trees that have turned color in the fall, or could be colorless in the spring (no leaves). My assumption is that the altitude requirements and general location of NM,CO,WY,MT is that most trees at that altitude will be conifers. Brave in the wood (implies a forest), effort is worth the cold, cold being fall – fall colors-> blaze.

    Being wise and found the blaze, means the blaze only really stands out in the fall, otherwise it hard to see.

    In some of my google earth armchair researches for potential locations, some of the photos were in the fall and patches of deciduous forest stood out like a blaze. Marking the landscape.

    I also guess based on Forrest’s comments of how long the landmarks will be around, in a 100 years, its possible for the treescape to change. Another Forrest hint from the question “Is the blaze a single item” he responded yes. A single grove of trees; albeit a misleading answer, but technically correct at the macroscopic level.

    • Searcher Steve,
      On your mention of a blaze possibly being deciduous trees, take a look at the location below. Google updated since then and it is no longer fall. Look at 2011 map on GE.
      39.773064° -106.284145°

  38. Remember Forrest said be wise about the blaze, the blaze is an object or objects it is white, umbralla like, and if you be wise is spirit like…hehehe..Thats what the dart said

    • Ha. I think it would be better to use more precise language, when you begin a post with “Remember Forrest said…”

      Your blaze sounds like an aerating fountain I had once in my fishpond. I no longer have a fishpond because blue heron kept eating my fish.

    • Originally from Virginia, I currently live in SE Michigan. I honestly have not eliminated any states yet. But Montana and Colorado seem to keep coming into my search criterion.

      • We have the Tamarack larch in Northern MN. They are a beautifultree in the fall after they turn golden but look like dead pine trees in winter after they lose their needles. The Western larch in MT probably looks pretty much the same – very unusual conifers.

        • @CJinCA good to know about Tamarack Trees in NM. Did you see today’s weekly from JK’s site? I’ll post under ‘Odds and Ends’….

          • Cholly, that’s MN not NM. 🙂 Although tamaracks may grow in NM, to my uncertain knowledge, they are not native to the state.

          • @CJnCA lol, thanks for the correction, was wondering why I hadn’t read about Tamarack Trees being in NM, teach me to log in before having any coffee!

          • You betcha. 🙂 Moved to CA many yeas ago but we go back to MN every year to visit relatives.

  39. BigSkip here:

    Need to express an opinion: Listened to ff in a video review last night repeat how he thought searchers might react 1000 years from now. Even if you consider 100 years from now, the concept of a forested “Blaze” probably would not stand the test of time. Too many forest fires, killer bugs and land changes to alter this physical landscape. In my opinion, the Blaze is probably something more permanent.

    • IMO, Geological… cliffs with a special marking, that you see from the other side. Look down your quest to cease.

    • Big Skip,

      In one respect a blaze is a marker… you can conclude what a Marker is on your own…
      Yet, a blaze… in terms if trail, is simply a pointer. How many ways/things can you come up with, that point?
      In fact, does point mean only direction?

      Simplicity is nice, but I don’t believe anything is simple about this poem.

      • old time miners would mark a claim with a blaze.
        Said blaze was a wooden post or rock pile with a
        jar, tobacco tin hidden at the foot of the marker
        Which stated the boundaries of the claim and who owned it.

        Today’s miners use steel posts with bright colored plastic ribbon.
        I.E. A surveyor’s marker.

  40. I usually think of the blaze as a thing. But now I wonder if is a verb.
    You blaze a trail, and forge on.
    Both of these words are connected to blacksmithing, as an act.
    Just a thought? FF ran his foundry before he moved to NM, and continues making bronze art….IMO

  41. Seeker:

    You are absolutely correct, nothing is simple about this poem. After listening to ff again about future searchers, I believe all of his landmarks referenced in the poem are very permanent. I do have a problem with HOB. Does he believe or has he planned that searchers will be able to identify an area or place as HOB?
    As for the Blaze, I hope it’s there in 100 years. Best of luck to all.

  42. Big Skip, HOB is a place and it is on the map..Blaze is an object or objects..that’s why this treasure chest will be hard to find remember FF said small area in large area..even small area is alot for a small chest

  43. Woody;

    I know that you are pretty new to the site, and may not be familiar with all of the rules, but it best if you state things as “IMO” – In My Opinion rather than stating opinions as unproven facts.

    At the top of every thread is a tab called RULES. It might do you well to read them before you tic someone off, or get kicked off of the site by unintentionally breaking one of the rules.

    Just some food for thought, and IMO – helpful food.

    JD

    Enjoy the chase, and Good luck to all – BE SAFE

    • Hey JD,
      So your heading back out this month with the tribe.
      Your a good man & with good spirits.
      I am sure each can carry their worth if you find it.
      So how long does it take to get to your spot?

  44. Just watched an interesting documentary on ‘What History Forgot’
    Looking for Fenn’s blaze in Utah may sound like a stretch, but in 1943 serious efforts went into testing the effectiveness of our newest weapon Napalm bombs.
    Six full sized, German style multistory brick homes were built at Dugway Proving Grounds.
    They were bombed & repaired over the course of 4 months. At least one complete structure is still standing.
    Outlier or not, there’s another pushpin on my GE

    • How would this tie in to when Forrest said it was hidden in a place that’s very dear to him?

      Is Utah even in the running? Is Dugway in the Rocky Mountains?

      There are some pretty basic qualifiers a potential location must have, including being a place an 80-year-old man could go, above 5000 below 10,000, etc. Save the pin, I don’t think your location at 4800′ would qualify

      • Hi Naught — total agreement. Wrong state, wrong altitude, and irrelevant in any case: no one on this list can get on Dugway (not that anyone in their right mind would want to risk it, given all the unexploded ordinance and any remnants of chemical weapon testing).

  45. Celebrating tonight because I have realized something about the poem! I have been convinced that these clues are not as disconnected as they seem. So I now see that if you really can figure out WWWH, then a study of the area will lead to an understanding of other phrases in the poem. It appears to me that a basic study of the area of WWWH can help to see how all the phrases fit together. I beieve it has led me to the exact details of how the chest is hidden. In other words, I am no longer asking if the chest is buried, not buried, covered, disguised, etc. I know how to recognize the spot when I find it. I think this same bit of info gleaned from a study (of the area that I am convinced is WWWH) also tells me what the blaze is. Its not warm enough yet for this hike, so I have some time to sort out a couple more details. But, I firmly believe that the “hints” in the poem, with a study of the place WWWH, give a clear picture of how the chest is hidden and what the blaze is.

    • Hey Puzzled, very interesting. Do you have the book, did you find it useful at all in understanding the poem? Thanks.

      • OS2- The thing I am finding about the book is that when I study the poem, looking up phrases, alternate spellings of words, and so on; I recognize things in the book that seem of more importance than they did when I first read it. But, as far as using the book to understand the poem, the answer is No.

    • Puzzled, I follow your posts, and congratulations on your AH HA moment. And good luck.
      Any insight on how to narrow the search for WWWH?
      I’ve been looking at Stanza One/First Sentence to help me narrow the place to look for where WWWH.
      Initially i thought the 1st stanza pointed me at the TOTC to help locate WWWH, but now my thinking is it is more direct.
      thanks for listening.

      • Arcade, stanza 1, yes. It’s a double dealie. But aside from that, the first line. Read it and or write it on paper over and over untill this becomes clear, two times .

        • Literate One- I agree that a rainbow is “the trail of clues leading us from WWWH to waters high and the end of Forrest’s rainbow”

          And yet, I am not yet discounting the possibility that rainbow is significant in another way. You mentioned that it is an arc of light.

          Was thumbing through TTOTC to look something up before replying to you. Didn’t find what I was looking for, but did find something that leaped off the page at me. We are all familiar with the chapter in TTOTC, where FF describes being shot down during the war. I had not noticed until just now, that there is something interesting on page 88. Of the rescue squad that came to his rescue, he said, “I had experienced the effects of OPERATION ARC LIGHT”. Am I the only one that thinks this is important? There are a number of good internet sites that will give you history of Operation Arc Light. “The Urban Dictionary” gives a very brief definition, “A term for the close air support operations provided by Strategic Air Command B-52s based in Guam during the Vietnam War. The name comes from the codename for the mission, Operation Arc Light. Arc Light, one minute out, sit tight.” Just something to think about

          I personally believe LIGHT is important in the solve.

          I’m sure we are all aware of the photo on the front cover of Too Far To Walk. It is a shadow. Somewhere I’ve seen another photo with a shadow in it. Trying to remember where. But, anyway; I was reading about shadows. A shadow cannot be produced without light. Merriam Webster dictionary gives this definition” a dark shape that appears on a surface when someone or something moves between the surface and a source of light or an area of darkness created when a source of light is blocked. So in other words, there can be no shadow if there is no light.

          And this leads me to the discussion researchers have had regarding the importance of mirrors which are mentioned in TTOTC. Mirrors create a reflection (hmm- rainbows are also a reflection) that can only be produced with light.

          I just think LIGHT is important in the solve. And don’t forget FF said to bring a flashlight.

          So yes, I agree that FF was referring to the clues that lead us from the beginning to the end of the rainbow. But, I think there is a deeper meaning. I think LIGHT is essential to the solve.

          • Literate One-
            Thank you for the link to the Moby Dickens video

            I did listen good, took notes and picked up a few very interesting things but hoping I didn’t miss something. I now have a few more things to look into.
            Thanks for sharing!

      • I have been studying the first, fifth and sixth stanzas in the poem. I think these stanzas help to narrow down, WWWH. I am currently looking at all definitions of each and every word in these stanzas. I think some of the specific phrases are also important in these stanzas..

    • Puzzled, I am blessed or maybe cursed with more than one partial solve. But I am comfortable with my wwwh. All of this could be an indicater that I’m wrong. But, about if it’s buried or not, I can not determine that from my solves. I must be missing something, is there any thing you can share that might guide me to make a decision about that? Anything….

        • Mustang- can you Email me and I will share a couple of ideas. There are a couple of people who have shared with me. I want them to know I will not share ideas that were not my own. I only share my own thoughts. lequia at sbcglobal.net

      • Mustang- if you have a couple of partial solves, then I suggest you do what I am doing. I also have a couple of partial solves and another solve that looks pretty solid. I am studying everything I can about the geography, geology, and history of the areas where my solves are located. I think this is helping. But, then I am not holding the treasure chest yet….

        • About it being buried or not….. I can’t get that from my locations…. but from.look quickly down. I can get that the use of a Metal Detector may be needed.

          • I really think the phrase “look quickly down” is not directing us to literally look quickly down. I think it is directing us to a word or words that mean “look quickly down” But the word/words we are being directed to will also have another meaning that applies here. I think I know what word/words apply here.

  46. Puzzled;

    Congrats on your insight. Hope it all works out for you.

    Good luck to all and STAY SAFE

    JD

  47. All,

    (I wrote this post and sat here looked at it and read over it for over for an hour debating whether or not to share it. I have choose to only because I have gained so much over the last 8-9 months from everyone else that it only seems fair that i contribute a bit back. if you gain something from it great if not then I apologize for wasting your 5 minutes.)

    “So i wrote poem containing nine clues that if followed precisely will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure.”

    Rainbow, hmm lets THINK about that:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow

    A rainbow is a meteorological phenomenon that is caused by reflection, refraction and dispersion of light in water droplets resulting in a spectrum of light appearing in the sky. It takes the form of a multicolored arc.

    Generally we believe or can sometimes physically see that a rainbow is an multicolored arc with two points that seem sprout from the earth itself. We may see these two points as a beginning and an end, start and a finish, an alpha and a omega, sound familiar?

    “Begin it where warm waters halt,”

    Blah, blah blah……

    “The end is ever drawing nigh;” the end of what, possibly the creek that we are following to “water high” maybe?

    Therefore, let us assume that these two lines are in fact a poetic beginning and end of Forrest’s rainbow and that “it” is the contiguous water trail or rainbow that we follow from warm waters halt to water high, is this plausible?

    So in conclusion, I am of the opinion that the blaze as I have stated previously is nothing more that the trail of clues leading us from WWWH to waters high and the end of Forrest’s rainbow.

    • Literateone, Forrest said, ” So I wrote a poem containing nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure.” Notice he said, my rainbow, which leads me to believe that it is not your typical rainbow. Maybe his rainbow is the shape of an omega sign. Just a thought.

      • FF may have been speaking as if he were like the
        leprechaun that hid a pot of gold at the end of
        a rainbow. From the leprechaun’s standpoint,
        he might think of that specific rainbow as “his own”.

        The above is just my opinion. Yours may differ.

        Good luck to all searchers. Please be safe.

  48. I just returned from my first search and am now confident i’ve found the blaze. I wasn’t sure what i had found until trying to determine what the 3 symbols meant. Although I cant post a picture, I do have the direction to travel from there. The author of said symbols marked them backwards and did not include a circle around the second symbol; which when searching the symbols it always had. The location of TC was unsafe to search because of the weather and i had run out of time. I’m working on booking trip #2 when weather improves. I thought it interesting also that when reading the 3 lines of the poem above the blaze line; it also was correct directions to the chest search area. Just heavy loads and water high, there’ll be no paddle up your creek, the end is drawing ever nigh.

    • IMO The Blaze has no symbols and is not in very close proximity
      to any trail.

      • jhon edo said “I just returned from my first search and am now confident i’ve found the blaze. I wasn’t sure what i had found until trying to determine what the 3 symbols meant”.

      • Sorry about being vague about symbols, i will post pic after my next search.

        • Ok the three symbols refer to the owl of minerva.”AOE” They are in a tree and have been there for a while.

          • How old do you think the tree is John?
            What kinda tree?
            Do the markings on the tree look old or somewhat fresh?
            Could be the blaze?

          • The tree is pine, and about 14″ in diameter. The marks have been there a while, as they have discolored, and are dripping pitch. There is also a secluded area of trees with, get this.. A waterfall!

          • John- did you get your return search done? Where is this tree? Are the symbols carved into into it?

          • Puz-return search in mid June. The symbols are carved in and healed over, and have turned an amber brown color. Will post pics after search.

    • How about the other clues before that? HOB, Warm water halt, etc?

      Good luck, John.

  49. Food for thought

    The tragic blaze started when rays of low winter sunlight shined through the window and were refracted by the glass jar, which was being used to collect rubber bands in a flat in Twickenham, south-west London, BBC News reports.
    The family’s Jack Russell, Chilli, was trapped inside the flat and died.
    The Nutella jar was left on the window sill of a girl’s bedroom and the sun rays were reportedly magnified by the glass and beamed onto blinds, causing them to catch fire and leaving the first floor bedroom destroyed and the roof damaged.

  50. So here is my coveted blaze fellow searchers. If this is a part of your solve, I apologize. I realize revealing this information could upset people who are already searching in the Firehole area, and I am genuinely sorry if that is the case. I’ve never posted on any of the sites before, but I do this now just for some closure, and because I know that I might never get back to Yellowstone.

    Clearly my solve had holes, but the blaze felt good enough to go for it. In my mind its existence is just so bizarre that it has a great chance to be chase-related, and if it is a coincidence then that is some seriously strange stuff. Who knows, maybe my blaze theory is a part of the correct solution, but I am just one or two steps off. Long story short, I stumbled upon my blaze idea in early February of this year (never bought the books) and I have made two trips to Yellowstone since, and as you can probably tell, I did not succeed. There were two areas to search and after completing both, I feel comfortable sharing my ideas. It is unfortunate but I think my searching days are over. I could not have asked for a better blaze theory and I am officially and unquestionably out of treasure-travel funds (sounds like something Will Ferrell would say in Step-Brothers) for a long long time. Even if it is just one step short, I honestly cannot imagine going back a third time. It is my hope that this information might help someone else succeed, and in the very unlikely event that happens, perhaps that kind-hearted someone will be filled with gratitude after talking with Forrest (he might remember a snowmobiling mattd).

    In late January I first heard about the Chase. Before I found my blaze, and thinking that maybe the Grizzly Lake area could be promising, I emailed Forrest asking if it was wise to go to Winter Creek in Yellowstone. His response- “No its too cold, stay by the fire. f”

    That led me to the Firehole (but obviously he could just be saying don’t go out in the winter). No need to go over the significance of that famous river, or even the potential clues that fit to get there, it’s just the finish that matters here.. his favorite swimming spot.

    On Google Earth, there is a geo-tagged Panoramio picture of Sapphire Pool tagged right beside the Ojo Caliente. That image (image-ination?) is my blaze.

    The person who posted the picture is named Steve Mason. It is the only image ever posted by this person and it was posted on September 24, 2009 (9-24-2009). 9 clues, 24 lines, potential time of hiding. The coordinates of the image are 45 deg N -111 deg W. 45 – 111 = -66. (166 words in the poem, 66,000 links north of Sante Fe, 42 pounds + 24 lines = 66). Obvious question here…why would a person post only one picture and in the wrong spot? And on that date and coordinate? And of something (sapphire) that is in the chest, and the word fire (blaze) is “in a word” sa-pphire? And in a mega-sacred spot to Forrest? Simply put, it all just doesn’t make sense to me. Unless, Steve is Forrest.

    Also, Sapphire is the stone of wisdom.. And the stone of the 9th month September is Sapphire.

    A man named Steve Mason was a famous Vietnam Veteran poet, and is called the Poet Laureate of the Vietnam Veterans of America. He read an amazing poem at the dedication of the Vietnam Memorial in Washington in 1984. He died in 2005 of cancer. He was a strong proponent for death with dignity (a topic very much connected to Forrest’s life), and a truly inspiring individual. There are more curious things connecting Steve and Forrest, if you are interested I am sure you’ll find them. Who better than this great vet poet to stand over a soldier’s memorial?

    I mean, is it just me, or is that a pretty dang good blaze?!

    The Sapphire Pool picture points to logs that I now know are naturally arranged. They were not moved by a person, like I had hoped. The image is tagged to a 4-looking log formation, and if you look quickly down, there is an F formation of logs not far. I checked the F (which I was the most excited about), I checked the 4, and kicked all of the surrounding logs and rocks in that whole area and did not find the chest. I also checked the real Sapphire Pool area south of there without any luck.

    Maybe I am just a step short, who knows. But I feel like I had a solid solve, gave it a go and had fun doing it. And now i’ve experienced Yellowstone with friends, which is success in itself. I also feel compelled to let people know that I thoroughly checked the logs, trees, and rocks in that Ojo Caliente field when there was no snow on the ground and did not find anything. I don’t want someone to make the expensive trip to Yellowstone for those logs alone. If anyone does pick up this trail, good luck, stay safe, and don’t trespass down Fountain Flats Drive when it’s closed. The rangers don’t mess around. They might spot you, detain you like a criminal, grill you with hard-to-answer questions like “you guys looking for the Forrest Fenn treasure?”, and give you a pricey ticket. Not that I would know..

    p.s. Sorry Forrest if this causes your inbox to explode from Steve Mason/Sapphire Pool questions.

    -mattd

      • puzzled – is it ok if I email you so I can give you my email just so we can chat with each other once in a while

    • Mattd, I wonder if somewhere near the Firehole swimming area if you could possibly swim under water into an opening that takes you to an area that is totally covered by rock into your own little swimming area.

      • Nah, everyone knows it’s fifty feet down in a sinkhole guarded by Nessie and 3 fire-breathing sharks.

        (Just messin’ with ya!) 😉

      • Louie – google “scuba diving Firehole River”. You will be surprised what adventures await in that river. 🙂

    • matts- you have posted some very interesting info. I’m curious what your WWWH is. Are you willing to share?

      • No… I made a mistake. I was guessing that the Wooden Maiden was housing the treasure chest in its base…
        https://dalneitzel.com/2014/07/12/wooden-maiden/
        … that he put it in the base with the matches displayed on it “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze look quickly down your quest to cease”. Also “if you are brave and in the wood” (brave as in the indian, wooden base ). He also mentioned she is good at keeping secrets (“I can keep my secret where”). And he says his dear friend Eric Sloane lives vicariously through her ( “Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead”).

        So much of it made perfect sense (of which I discovered last week), and the base looked big enough to be hollowed out to hold a 10 x 10 x 5 chest. However it seems I was wrong. Josh Gates did the show of Finding Forrest Fenn’s treasure, and when he went to visit Forrest at home… there was the Maiden standing behind Forrest in his den. It’s like Forrest wrote that article with all the placed “hints”, just to have fun fishing for some treasure hunter.

        You think he’d get tired of catching me 🙁

        • At least you can take comfort in the fact that he practices catch and release now I believe.

  51. jake – imo – stanza 1 is the same as stanza 5 – stanza 1 tells you what you are looking for – so when you find stanza 5 you also find stanza 1 and that is the place you are looking for – in my opinion – there is no blaze only a place – that is what I think you take it from here

        • imo- stanza 1 is what he went in there to do – and stanza 5 is when he was done

        • The same ‘place?’ What is the initials of who you think ‘I’ is? We may be on the same page.

          • Kevin- I can tell you who “I” is NOT (Imo). NOT Eric Sloane or any family member of FF. Not Donnie Joe, or Lightning, or Osborne Russell, or Lewis & Clark. Not Mrs Ford, or any of the poets or writers FF quotes. It isn’t Einstein. Does that help?

    • Yes, Frank, I think it could be a place as long as that place is going to still be there 10,000 years past.

      Why do you think 1 & 4 stanzas are the same?
      I see the first as him telling what he has done & contents of the chest.

      • jake – what he did on stanza 1 is what you are going to undo what he did on stanza 4 – he hid it – and you are going to find it – and you are going alone in there and take the chest and its contents – imo just in case im not here in 10,000 years id like to give my congratulations in advance to the one that finds it

      • Seeker on May 31, 2016 at 2:45 pm said:

        “Jake who claims the Blaze is a single clue?
        ‘Is the blaze a single object… in a word Yes.’
        Yet is a object is of many pieces it is still a single object.
        Is a vehicle a single object… ?”

        So now we know the blaze is an object & a clue to be figured.

        I would bet it is all natural & I’m not talking about the FDA approvals here.

        We are looking for a natural object made by nature that will stand the test of time but also may be sunlight shining on a specific spot at a certain date of the year IMO.

        • I don’t think the date of the year is much of an
          issue, except good luck seeing/finding the blaze if/when it’s covered with snow.

          I agree that sunlight probably plays a large role
          here.

          I think I have found/identified the blaze online before putting BOTG, even though FF was
          pretty reluctant to comment on whether this
          would be possible. And as he said, it wouldn’t be feasible to try to move or destroy it. It isn’t man-made, and should be visible by a searcher hiking along the proper pathway (not a human trail).

          The above is just my opinion. Yours may differ.

          Good luck to all searchers. Please be safe.

  52. Forrest: “I doubt that anyone will find the blaze before they have figured out the first clue.” f
    Put your head phones on & plug them into your digital machine Charlie.
    Forrest: “So hear me all and listen good”
    Not a clue.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_fPF8Gc1I8
    How To Find Fenn’s Million-Dollar Treasure. Sept 8 2015
    “I think the problem that searchers make is they don’t dwell long enough on the first clue. If you can’t find the first clue, you don’t have anything. I mean there’s people driving down the street looking for a blaze, because that’s one of the clues.
    To me this hints the “blaze” is the last clue considering he mentions the first.

    What did he say?
    “Looking for a blaze”
    NOT: looking for the blaze.
    “because that’s one of the clues.”

    Just watch & listen to the video & I think you will agree that he gave us one of the clues to be figured out.

    • You have some good ideas, Jake. I don’t believe, IMO, that the blaze is the last clue but simply the last thing that one must search for after deciphering all the clues. I would not discount Hear me all and listen good as a clue as it is very important, again IMO. I think you are on the right track but what do I know? I can answer that but I don’t think that I’ll like the answer 🙂

      • Thank you alopes,
        It seems like most of the tracks lead to ambiguity.
        There are some tracks that are right in front of us & most miss.
        If the clues are in order & contiguous, why would the blaze be placed before “So hear me all and listen good”?

        • jake that is why I say that if you’ve been wise is the last stanza – there is no more – the end imo

        • Speaking of ambiguity…

          Did anyone know that Broadway is known as the Canyon of Heroes and they have descriptive bronze plaques just littering these sidewalks from mid to down?

          Researching on full blast now. Rabbit hole for sure, but how cool…

          Oh, I’m here because of Fenn’s depiction of Catcher in the Rye in Important Literature.

          • E.C.
            Why did f bring up New York? Was it Eric Sloane & the setting for Catcher in The Rye? I can’t stop wondering if Fenn is telling us to look closer to his home- Los Alamos_ Manhattan Project/ Site Y

            From the NY Times actually January 3, 2003… “Director Quits Los Alamos Under Fire”
            “John C. Browne, director of Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico since November 1997, submitted his resignation on Dec. 23…”

        • Hi, Jake. IMO, you find something that represents the blaze. After you solve the last clue and are in the area then you look for what was represented. It is a single object but in two different places. This wasn’t too hard to find but if Dal decides to post my story then you can read about it. Again, IMO only.

    • Ok Jake, the blaze is the last clue…
      where is the last clue located?
      Near something cold? In the wood? Could tired and weak have something to do with the location of the blaze? heavy loads and water high?

      The problem here is, we are back to what a clue is, to what a hint is, and even what an answer to a clue refers to.

      If WWWH is a clue… we need to find the answer to that,Yes? a place or reference to it.
      If you’ve been wise and FOUND the blaze, then the blaze must be HLAWH.
      If nothing [ clue ] is present after the Blaze, then the only answer to what the blaze is has to be Heavy loads and water high, That is the last thing “found”, correct?

      In that scenario, only 8 lines of the poem is needed. Begin it where… to… water high. Stanza 4 is not even needed… all it seems to say is, good job ya found the blaze – HLAWH- go home…That leave two thirds of the poem renders unneeded and / or no clues.

      I’m not biting that lure.
      “I mean, there’s people driving down the street looking for a blaze, because that’s one of the clues, but you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure, I don’t think, I mean, it would be a miracle if someone did.”

      Can’t start in the “Middle of the poem”… Does that sound like the last clue to you now?

      • One thing that keeps striking out to me in stanza 1 is treasures new and old. If the chest is not found for thousands of years how could the chest or it’s contents be “new” treasures? It would all be old by then yet the poem would still need to hold It’s validity. It seems to me that the treasures new and old are the some of the clues in the poem. Can the blaze be one of them? And if it is ask yourself this question, would it be new or old? We know the place Fenn hid his treasure is special to him so for Fenn to look at these places as his treasure could be perfectly acceptable.

        • Count,
          Are we looking for treasure[s]? I ask because later in the poem it is mentioned ‘leave my trove’

          Is new and old about ‘the treasure’ or even ‘the trove’? Fenn calls that a hint of riches… depending on what one thinks riches are/is, the meaning I see is… knowledge, or knowlege that is missing.

          Treasures; are possessions that are important to the owner. They can be of value, but then again what is value to one, is not to another. {one mans junk is another mans gold}

          Trove; has no owner, but does have value or is valuable.

          I think… combining new and old to the treasures or even the trove is not what “And hint riches new and old” refer to. I think… it refers to “where” and maybe, where refers to time.

          Just a thought.

          • After I hit reply I realized most of the place I put treasures should of been riches, my bad. But treasures and riches are so similar. Not all riches are wealth, and like you said one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. I think the point I was trying to get across is, does Fenn treasure these places and feels richer from being there?

      • Yes Seeker,
        It still sounds like the last clue to me.
        Anyway, my argument which was what Forrest said in the video was that “blaze” is a clue.
        Whether it’s the first clue or the last clue, who knows.
        I just happen to think it’s the last clue.

        • Jake,
          It’s good to have an open mind when it comes to the clues and the poem. Remember what Forrest said about the only clue the needs to be solved, it’s the last one. If the blaze is not the last clue putting stake in it could be an expensive folly.

          • Thanks Count, that’s what I was going to say too. : ) Blaze is not the last clue.

          • Count,
            All we have is expensive folly & some nice trips.
            I’m betting a ton of beans that the blaze is the last clue & the treasure right below.

          • All we have is expensive folly? Speak for yourself Jake. Just about all of the searches I went on cost me nothing because I once lived in the search area. The real expensive folly is being in short distance of the chest and not finding it because the poem was not properly analyzed. It’s apparent a few have been there.

        • Jake, your argument was the blaze is that last clue. You put up part of what fenn stated in the video stopping at … “Because that is one of the clue.” to claim that was the last clue.

          What he said was;
          “I mean, there’s people driving down the street looking for a blaze, because that’s one of the clues, but you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure, I don’t think, I mean, it would be a miracle if someone did.”

          Hate to say it Bud, your hearing only what ya want to hear. If your going to dismiss the part… “But you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure…” Have a nice trip.

          But hey, maybe you’re right and I’m wrong… even though the word Blaze sits smack in the middle of the poem. Maybe it’s just fenntalk, he is a tricky one.

          • No Seeker,
            My argument was “blaze” being a clue & morphed to my opinion as the last clue.
            I think we can safely say the “blaze” is an object & a clue to be figured.

          • Seeker: “But you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure…” Have a nice trip.

            I am not starting in the middle of the poem. I am starting at begin.
            I am ending the clues that lead you to the chest in the middle.
            The rest is history.
            I will have a nice trip & enjoy the fall.

  53. this is only my opinion – what we are doing is just reading – and not paying attention to each stanza and what its saying – for a long time I have been saying that there is no blaze – and here is why I say this and its just my opinion – stanza -1- is the blaze if you will- what did he go alone in there to do but to hide the chest I would think that – that is the place – with the key word being bold – and its not the meaning of bold that you are looking for – its what it is – all this imo

  54. @Puzzled—-

    Not asking for help. : )
    I was asking the initials of who you believe ‘I’ is.
    Myself? I believe it’s D.G. or J.G.—-same person.

    • Sorry Kevin – I cannot give you initials. Although I can say I am certain I’ve got it right (Imo) and I do not believe it is D.G/ J.G. But good luck.

  55. A question for you guys. If you found the blaze, but not the treasure, would you destroy the blaze to keep other searchers from finding it?

    • @EddieV – no. In my case, the blaze is a grave marker that’s been there for more than a century.

    • No, I don’t think that’s a good idea. Your blaze is probably unique to you. If it isn’t something that will last for a long long time then eventually it will take itself down. If you can’t find the chest then consider that you are not in the right place and reevaluate the poem. No need to turn Hulk.

    • I can’t imagine anyone doing that!

      If the blaze is what I think it is, it would be near to impossible to destroy it without leaving such a disaster that anyone who crossed that way could find it.

      FF has made it clear that people should do a better job of taking care of our planet. I would hope nobody would destroy it.

      And then there is the element of the blaze that cannot be destroyed.

      If I found the chest, I would only remove the contents and leave the chest to “belong to the ages”. I would fill it with my own treasures for someone else to find. The chest should belong to the ages.

    • Eddie – I would take f’s comments on this into consideration if you are considering the thought of destroying the blaze…

      “I had an enjoyably visit with Tom and his brother at the Downtown Subscription Coffee Shop in Santa Fe. They seemed like nice guys and avid treasure hunters. But there is confusion somewhere. While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there.”
      https://dalneitzel.com/2014/09/22/the-nine-clues-8/#comment-53358

      I lean towards the possibility that one might get themselves in trouble should they attempt the removal/destruction of the blaze… whatever it may be.

    • Yes I’ve already done that. One eye gone, L trail gone, no Rosetta Stone.

    • No. I love history and have a real thing against destroying it.

      If I were to find the treasure, I would donate the chest and some of the goodies, along with my story of solving it all, and photos of the entire treasure, to a museum in the state I found it it.

      There’s also the question of Forrest’s biography. And publishing rights. I’m not sure what I’d do with that. I’ll worry about it if I get so lucky.

      But destroying things just to safeguard my own greed is not an option.

      • Mr Fenn, in relation to the final resting place of the chest, which of the 4 natural elements (Earth, Wind, Water, Fire) would mostly compromise it resting? ~ James

        I know what the question is. I don’t think earth can hurt it, under the right conditions wind might affect it, it’s probably already wet, and look at what fire did to the twin towers. Nature makes her own rules, James, so I try to not be absolute when talking about her.

        —————————————————————————-

        What kind if fire are you talking about… forest fire? lava spitting fire? camp fire?

        Bronze melts @ approx. 1600 plus degrees
        Gold @ approx 1900 plus degrees
        Wood generally burns @ 451 degrees.
        Lava is liquid between 1200 to 2100 degrees F.

        Some how a forest fire doesn’t seem all that dangerous to harming gold or bronze… not to say it would effect it, but hopefully not destroy it.

      • 505—–

        : ) IMO, that’s kinda laughable. Yes, I think it’s VERY fire proof. And I don’t think there is a blaze there that you can destroy. Not laughing at you. I just think your thought is rather ‘ironic.’
        Looks like things are heating up around here.

        Good luck all.

    • Would you? Dang, man, what are you thinking? Get a grip and have some common sense…just sayin’…

  56. In my humble opinion, the last 4 clues of the poem are the most difficult and, by far, the most poignant… to me, the blaze is merely clue 5 of 9.

    To understand the final 4 clues requires a certain mindset – the poem will never be solved by the guy who wants to destroy the blaze (not even knowing what it is) just to throw off other searchers. Nor will it be solved by the woman planning her Good Morning appearance to tell the world just how clever she is. This is why Mr. Fenn brushes off blog comments as mere entertainment, nothing more.

    The chase is less about a physical journey than it is about a mental and emotional one. Even if unsolved, Mr. Fenn’s poem [along with recommended reading material] should touch you deeply.

    The poem starts with innocence; a naïve boy splashing and taking in the world with youthful exuberance. It ends with stark realization of the inevitable… and a deep contemplation of one’s triviality in the universe.

    My thoughts come from someone who doesn’t fully comprehend the words written by the poem’s author. But that’s fine – like a great mentor, Mr. Fenn wants us to struggle for comprehension; otherwise, we won’t give the poem more than a passing thought.

    “So hear me all and listen good… “

    • @Pandora – I agree with much of what you are saying. I have struggled with the final step so much that it has caused me to question my entire solution. I can’t tell if Fenn is hinting with the Ace of Spades post on MW that I need to dig, or if I’m simply continuing to misinterpret.

      By the way, my blaze is also my clou #5.

  57. OK – I am going to add my two cents on what I believe the “Blaze” is……

    First – you must do your research and start a grid like type of paper work. Just when you think you are done – there will be more to add – so make it wide – so more can be added. Actually I ended up using long tabs of paper so I could move things around without having to start over or erase things.

    On this paper work – in the end you will find nine clues at the top and the coordinates on the side.

    It is my opinion that there is more than one blaze. The first is a giant slip in the mountain – which is white.

    The second is the shadow of two pine trees – and that is where you are going to park.

    The third is an actual “X”.

      • eaglesabound –

        The slip doesn’t have to be white – that’s just the color it turned out to be in actuality.

        The 2 pine tree shadows are exactly and precisely where you start the ground game. They are also exactly where the coordinates take you. I don’t know why he selected pine trees – he just did.

        HaHa probably it’s his sense of humor coming thru – like you can’t see the pines for the Forest – or something like that.

  58. Regarding a “blaze” can anyone tell me what a lone (black) dash, or short horizontal line would represent on a very small sign on a wood post? A symbol or message saying what??? (About a 4″x 8″ sign, with a 1″ x 4″horizontal line painted on it.)

    Also, I have heard of “blazing a trail.” Is the trail or path itself ever referred to as a “blaze?” ( I live east of the Mississippi, obviously)

    Thanks in advance.

    • LMN,
      I hope you don’t think Forrest has anything to do with the sign you found.
      As far as I think, he doesn’t like signs much.
      Besides, they wouldn’t last a thousand years.

      • No I am simply asking because I found it unusual and thought that it must be common, yet no one has been able to answer. I agree with your thousand year point and see no connection to the poem. Yet why did someone think that it was worth the effort…if it has no meaning. Thanks, Jake! Anyone else?

    • LMN –

      I really can’t answer many of your questions – I can only tell you what I have found.

      There are a few signs that very well may pertain to the chase in my solve. One sign has covered wagons on it – with a team of six horses pulling it. Yes, indeed this is called trail blazing – when you are breaking a new trail into uncharted territory. This happened many times in Colorado and the history of roads is very important to the chase.

      The other sign is to give info to the buried gas line – OH BOY –
      that is heavy loads. all is IMO

      • Hello inthechase to
        I will not say you are wrong but the gas line is in another state. I have been all over that entire area. From the creeks one on each side to the top of the ridge line. I also can tell you that Dal and I know of 3 others that has been there also. My last trip I was almost caught up on the ridge line but I am moving on now as I am 99.999% sure that the TC isn’t there. But keep going because you seem to have a lot of info that I have and I for sure wouldn’t put of Billy The Kid, Captain Kidd or the Wizard of Oz..
        Good Luck & be Safe

  59. It’s probably not the first time it’s been said, but isn’t there something about a Blazing Star? A lonely star? Horses have blazes and stars. A children’s book series about ‘Billy and the Blaze’.

    • 42,

      I’ve posted the following pic way.too many times to count ; however, to say that I continue to be drawn to it would be an understatement.

      Might you see some type of clue, hint or possibly a map on the animal hide in the background? What about the broken lines which are running in a straight line across it?

      Is that the “Sun” in the center? Might it be of significant importance?

      I respect your opinion.

      SL

      • SL,

        Serious questions…
        Lets say you’re correct that a picture from the book shows something. My dilemma here, and has been for a long time… what is needed, to what is helpful, when it pertains to the book. Fenn has repeated; all the information is in the poem, and to read the book as well. [ sure any information is better than no information BUT ]. Fenn has stated you don’t need to read the book, you need to decipher the poem. As well as, he keeps telling readers to go back to the poem.

        Should something in the book be “need” such as a picture, Doesn’t that say the poem can’t be solved with out it. And the book is more important because it holds a “clue”?
        When fenn as stated there are very subtle hints in the book. And the hints in the book were not deliberately placed to aid the seeker.

        You said; “Might you see some type of clue, hint or possibly a map on the animal hide in the background?”

        Wouldn’t a map within a drawing be a major clues, a needed piece of information to solve the poem? and would that not be deliberately placed?

        Trust me when I say fenn’s comments about the poem and the book are confusing for me. I understand what helpful is, I understand what needed is… what I don’t understand is how can something helpful, be a need part if it was “not deliberate”?
        —————————————————————————-

        “There are hints in my book that will help you with the clues, but a clue will point you toward the treasure chest and a hint will just help you with the clues, if you can understand that.”

        • “When fenn as stated there are very subtle hints in the book. And the hints in the book were not deliberately placed to aid the seeker.”

          Ask yourself how can you put hints in a book or story without deliberately “placing them in”??????

          • James that would be easy to do……..Actually it may be very difficult not to do. He hid the treasure then writes a book about his life. For example if he hid it in Wyoming then tells the story about Yellowstone it might be construed as a hint, but was not deliberately told to aid the searcher. The same could be said about any of the states in the chase.

            I don’t think the man could say anything that is not construed by some around here as a clue. I choose to believe him; any connection to any of the stories is inadvertent and will only be known after the chest is found. But hey, people seem to be having fun dreaming up rabbit holes to explore.

          • James,

            That’s the point… did he deliberately PUT IN hints or are the hints something that the writer sees [ because he knows the answers ] as possibly helpful. Yet not needed.

            Some searchers refer to Hint of riches new and old to the book and the authors life… If that were to be factual, then I can see that as instructions to use the book. The problem then becomes the other statements, such as, don’t need to read the book, all the information in the poem, etc. misleading?

            I have to use the word ‘misleading’, because if the book is a needed part to solve the poem…[ other than just the holder of the poem ] then the statement of not being deliberate of placing hints in the book becomes a false statement.

            Keep in mind as we talk here… we are separating the book and the poem to attempt to understand are hints deliberately placed. I guess the real question is can the book and the poem be separated?

            Fenn has never stated the book is “needed’ but has stated you need to decipher the poem [ no mention of the book with deciphering ] and all the information to find the treasure is in the poem [ again no mention of the book as needed… simple a good reference ]

            Now come the part were the book will help with the clues… does this make the book needed? because without the book you can not decipher a clue within the poem?

            Then again, if that is true… why don’t we need to read the book?

            And a round and around it goes… where it stops, nobody knows.

          • Goofy, you said, “I don’t think the man could say anything that is not construed by some around here as a clue.”

            Exactly my point of the book. Your WY and Yellowstone example is a good example of what the Author seeing as a very subtle hint, yet still not needed for the readers to know… because the book talk refers to many places and doesn’t deliberately nail down one.

            “Is it an advantage to buy The Thrill of the Chase and Too Far to Walk?
            There are hints in my TTOTC book that can help solve the clues in the poem.”

            Are we to take this literally that the book is what we ‘need’ to solve the clues? or simply fenn sees information in the book that can be ‘helpful’.

          • Seeker, Fenn is a master of making people think he said something when he didn’t. A good example of this is reading what all the so called professional journalist have said after interviewing him. Imagination is more important than knowledge when you are trying to market something. People will here what they want to hear, not what he said. It doesn’t matter what it is, it only matters what people think it is.

            He has actually told us very little about finding the chest. He seems to like telling us where it’s not vs. telling us where it is.

            To answer your question, I think any information in the books is inadvertent and will only be known after the chest is found. The books do help us understand the man, perhaps that is helpful in understanding the poem.

          • To me, This quote sums it up pretty well.

            “Here is what I would do. Read my book in a normal manner. Then read the poem over and over and over, slowly – thinking. Then read my book again, this time looking for subtle hints that will help solve the clues.” f

            Not sure it could be said any clearer.

            Just my opinion though.

            JD

        • I agree 100%. I believe there are red herrings that we can find all over in the book, but if you NEED the book…then you’ve just found a red herring…..maybe that’s why he likes to *Go Fish* so much.

          Look up Red Herring on Wikipedia…kinda interesting.

          • @Stephanie – I guess we each have our own toolkit, our own experiences to form perspectives, and our own way of solving the problem with the information available. After all, it’s a puzzle, not a promise. If it were easy, you would have found it years before the rest of us got here.

            @Seeker – I’m not really sure of the significance yet by segmenting or categorizing poem vs book vs external. I mean I guess I see your point of the approach that the poem is the firm source of directions. But unlike Goofy and Stephanie, I take the gestalt approach and see information from the book and external communications as possibilities to support or disprove my theories. And these theories are nothing more than motivation to invest. As everyone says, no one’s right until the chest is found, so why not? No one is smarter than the other until the day we learn it’s found. Everyone is just guessing for motivation, and in that way, no method is more useful than any other.

        • Seeker
          I completely agree with your comments, but if I remember right f said all you need is the poem, a good map and a little knowledge of geology to be able to find the TC. I do not understand why everyone is so into his 2 books. I have read them both a few times and yes there are hints in the books but I believe they are there to help confirm a clue from the poem. I have read on the blog that f said he could go and get it right now if he wanted to. At 85 years old, hmmmm. Walking canyons for long distances, climbing up canyon wall, climbing up very steep sides, trekking through river beds in water that can hyperventilate a person in minutes. I can now think of more things that I do not believe f can do now that he could do 6 years ago but all I’m doing is looking at all my info about the poem that would let f be able to make that trip again carrying 22lbs of stuff while on the move for about 3 miles. People have to get smarter that what I see going on here. The blogs seem to me to be a place to say I have this and that

          • Timothy- FF actually said “geography”, not geology. But since geology has created many of the geographical land forms we enjoy today in the RM, I believe geology is an essential part of the poem. I think that one place WWWH can be found with a “tight focus” on “a word that that is key” while looking at the geology of the RM and how the geology created is part of the geography.

          • @Puzzled – I’ve been exploring by stretching my mind into other geographical areas than RM to consider possibilities of hints leading to clue solutions eventually in RM, e.g. Madagascar and lately NYC. For example, Fenn discusses a disturbing dream about Captain Kidd and Gardiner Island right after describing the chest. Kidd spent time in both NYC and Madagascar.

            Nothing specifically says all the clues must be in the RM. Just the chest. Did you know Kidd spent documented time at Trinity Church, and Broadway is known as Canyon of Heroes? There’s 100+ markers on sidewalks of Broadway from ticker tape parades. There’s a Pine Street near Trinity Church. In other words, there’s a bunch of bias opps.

      • SL – What photo? I don’t see a link. Assuming you mean the photo of Forrest in front of his buffalo hide with the sunburst, I offer a few opinions.
        1. I believe it’s a Crow buffalo hide from JHSharps collection of antiquities he used as props to paint the Absarokee or Crow People on their Reservation; Big Horn country, Montana – One of the big 4 tribes who called Yellowstone their home. Near Battle of Little Big Horn/Custer.
        2.Sunburst has numerous applications/interpretations that couple nicely with the poem and Forrest’s passions. Ray, Re-music note, Plains Indian Sundance, Egyptian Sun god, Iris (center of eye) and mythology, New Mexico flag is a stylized sunburst, Forrest is part Irish (eye/iris/of H); Greek letter & Cyrillic ef appear as an eye; owl eyes are wise; center of rays is a marble shape circle, etc…

        hope that helps you SL.

        For what it’s worth, I look at everything in both TTOTC & TFTW as very helpful, supplemental information to solve the poem. I don’t plan to waste time convincing myself the books don’t help. They do. I also mess with the poem in unorthodox ways, without changing the order of clues. I won’t divulge methodology.

        • 42, ” I also mess with the poem in unorthodox ways, without changing the order of clues.”

          I’m not going to ask your unorthodox ways of viewing the poem… but I would like to ask, what you mean by “without changing the order”.

          Is the order the way you ‘see’ it written out, or the way you ‘read’ the poem?

          I’m curious if folks read the poem as if the clues must be read that each line or sentence is meant only to be read in its placement of the poem and that is the same placement, is of a clue?
          —————————————————————-

          Forrest, you have stated that several searchers correctly identified the first two clues in your poem. Could you tell us how many searchers to your knowledge have correctly identified the first clue correctly? Thanks. ~49 Dollars
          No 49, I cannot tell you how many searchers have identified the first clue correctly, but certainly more than several. I cannot imagine anyone finding the treasure without first identifying the starting point, although many seem to be preoccupied with later clues. To me that’s just expensive folly. f

          —————————————————————–

          In this Q&A the answer seems to imply that many identified the first clue correctly… then goes on to say… I cannot imagine anyone finding the treasure without first identifying the starting point.

          This seems odd to me in its wording as it could suggest that, the first clue is not the same as the starting point. If folks Identified the first clue… is that not supposed to be the “starting point’?

          Can the poem be read as what we may think is a clue, actually be the starting point to find the first clue? and if so, is that “changing the order” if the starting point [not the first clue] is near the middle of the poem.

          • Seeker, I may be wrong, but stick to a method. First paragraph IMO is loaded with location clues. After arriving at a place to start, which for me always involves 32; even If I mess with the poem, I still begin solving at “Begin it WWWH, canyon down, etc. in order, following circular logic to an end result.

    • SL, you have helped me in the past and I will help you here. This is a big hint for you.
      Wave, an undulating wave like a drop of water. Wave could be seen as water high. Undulation and undulating motion.
      Did you know the arm of a windmill is called a whip.

      • DPT and 42,

        I don’t recall the Flyers suggestion of a bring along “flashlight” as having any significant or unique features, however, I am reminded of one feature that could be of additional assistance to a BOTG Searcher.

        A flashlight using a UV, (ultraviolet) bulb can reveal florescent activity in minerals and gemstones.

        What harm could be done in utilizing one with the UV feature??

        I say go for it – Absolutely!

        SL

    • I love this picture… doesn’t matter who or how, it’s in Fenn’s house, so important to him. It probably doesn’t add credibility to a solve in any way… the poem and the books add confirmation to a correct solve. I would also include anything Fenn has said on video or on the blogs. I don’t think any of us are competent enough to decide for others what is important or not.

      As for red-herrings and subterfuge, I actually think this comes from your own personality. Some think everything in life is rosy and some think everything in life is suspect. IMO Fenn is ALL IN on this one, and there is no need to detract from his legacy, everything he says builds his legend. All you need is the poem and ttotc, with much needed help from tftw.

    • Thanks for clarifying which photo you referred to SL – it’s such a nice photo of Forrest in his home, and it is the same one used on the “home” page Dal’s blog.

      Honestly, I could get lost looking at f.s war bonnets, pottery, and surrounding collection.

      If the treasure wasn’t North of Santa Fe, My guess would be right behind that “Hyde” in f’s man-cave, and the chest left outside in the sun on the waterfall in his yard.

      • Forgot to say the sunburst pattern on the hide answers: “your quest to CCc’s”

  60. SL,

    I posted my comment above before seeing this post here. I don’t have the book to refer to, is this pic. in the book? or just a copy of a picture from the home page of this site?

  61. Shouldn’t we be concentrating on the fact that Mr Fenn said all you need is the poem and a good map as stated above and many times before. I.M.O. For what it’s worth this is probably the biggest clue/s. The book might be handy to assist and give some clues, but is not necessary. Also ALL the scrapbooks give away clues and some are huge clues, of course in the finest of “confirmation bias” traditions to tie in with my solve, likewise with the weekly words. Though I must say I scratch my head at some of the weekly words and get a big headache trying to decipher what it all means. Did anyone consider why mr Fenn set the altitude at 10,200feet? For me this is a big clue. 65,000 links north of Santa Fe? Probably the number of words in his book?? America, the country 99.999% of searchers live, another big clue. All in my honest opinion of course and I only have one solve. If Mindy reads this maybe she would consider writing a blog on the word Obtuse. It’s not always meant as annoying!! :):) and certainly not rude in anyway.
    Richard from Cairo

  62. Thoughts on these blazes as they relate to Forrest saying while it’s not impossible to remove a blaze, it’s not feasible to. What are your answers if his statement can relate to these?

    A) An American Flag?

    B) Red Rocks Amphitheater?

    C) A waterfall?

    My opinion: Yes, Yes, hmmm not sure.

    • Your comment says – “while it’s not impossible to remove a blaze, it’s not feasible to” A waterfall COULD be diverted…VERY difficult to do, but NOT IMPOSSIBLE,, and yes, “It is not feasible to do” so.

      Due to the granite mountain that my stream cascades down, I would have to say that it would be close to impossible, but still doable. The BIG question is WHY would one want to do such a thing?

      It is because of the beauty of this stream cascading down the mountain, that I feel that “This Place” is “THE PLACE” that Forrest chose as his last and final resting place…and IS the final re4sting place for Indulgence…Final, that is, until I retrieve it in July…I HOPE!

      STAY SAFE ALL, and GOOD LUCK!

      JD

        • @Jeremy – I agree with the historical marker bit. How do you derive your reasoning?

          • He said its in a thrilling location and hint of riches new and old is a solid fit. Plus he went alone in there with his treasures (plural) bold…so I think one is indulgence and its contents and the other is something of historical significance that is special and thrilling to him! And that’s about all I’m willing to divulge until I make one last trip across country asap!

    • How can C be yes? Do you mean divert it to another place? He said removed though. I think this statement might knockout waterfall as an option for the blaze. I’m not saying that one might not be right next to your blaze…but I feel it can’t be THE waterfall.

      • Stephanie;

        If you were to look at MY waterfall, it would become obvious to you in an instant why I believe that it in-fact is THE blaze. I will know for sure on July 23…

        and then we will all know if I am right or not.

        Good luck to all searchers and STAY SAFE

        JD

        • Ok maybe your waterfall isn’t like a real one, but man made…but doesn’t the water still fall somewhere so it’s not actually removed? I’ve not heard of a water up as of yet and I’d be surprised there’s a way to put a cork in one to hold it at bay.

          You sure have me curious now though JD….

  63. imo I don’t think that where the chest is – is one place- and the blaze is another- the blaze is the place where the chest is

  64. Hey Jake, do you know where that horse was roaming free? It looks familiar to me. Wasn’t sure if you filmed it.

    • Yes Anna,
      I filmed that amateur video.
      It’s the 9QCR.
      Me & my brother James were going to head back to let them know but better judgement prevailed & let him be & enjoy the freedom outside the barbed wire for a while seeing he earned it.

  65. IMO – The BLAZE is nowhere near the treasure chest, perhaps even several miles from it. “Look quickly down” is a direction, either south or down in altitude. It doesn’t mean the chest is at your feet, or even anywhere near where you are standing (if you are at the BLAZE location) Does anyone else agree with this theory? This is my first comment, after lurking on and off since last July. My wife and I are heading to the Rockies in a few weeks to pick up the chest. Ha ha. I know, just like everyone else!

    • Nice to see you come out of the dark & comment.
      When you get the chest, please return the bracelet.
      The blaze could be far away from the chest. I have thought about that in the beginning but changed my mind.
      Have fun in your quest.

    • Forrest answered this question on Mysterious Writings a couple months ago. Casey asked had far the chest was from the blaze. Forrest answered(paraphrased) Casey, if you don’t know where the blaze is then it doesn’t matter. But if you do find the blaze it will be obvious.

      On weekly words, hope this helps.

      To me after reading it over and over if you find the correct blaze the chest will be there as well.

  66. Thanks DPT. I hadn’t seen Forrest’s answer about how far the chest is from the BLAZE. Forrest said “If you can find the blaze though, the answer to your question will be obvious.” To me, that fits my theory. I believe I found the BLAZE, after I found (IMO) all the other clues first. My BLAZE is several miles from the chest, so the answer to me is obvious. The chest is nowhere near the BLAZE. Of course, I have proven nothing – I’m not going to search for the chest for a few more weeks.

    • Warlock, I get what you are saying and that may be a good possibility. I like what your saying and seeing.

  67. “..They seemed like nice guys and avid treasure hunters. But there is confusion somewhere. While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there.”

    If you have been wise and found the blaze LOOK QUICKLY down.

    It is pretty obvious to me he is talking about the sun. Clouds can remove the blaze from site, but a person couldn’t feasibly blot out the sun, and he is certain it is still there. He can look up at the sky and see it. The only way he can know for CERTAIN, is if he himself could confirm it. If you are staring at the sun, you should look quickly down. I think wise is a reference to the 3 wise men who also saw a star in the sky that led them somewhere.

    The question remains is he talking about the literal sun, which suggests working your way out of woods into an open area, or a symbolic sun, in which case he is playing word games related to the blaze. Instead of referencing the symbol, he is referencing the actual sun. Tricky.

    • Well, naynav;

      You are a-thinkin’ Keep readin’, thinkin’ and readin’ some more. My blaze is a little bit more down-to-earth – A waterfall to be exact.

      Good luck in your ponderings and TRY to STAY SAFE

      JD

    • “If you are wise and found the blaze”…In FF’s story about being lost in a canyon as a youth, they were wise to consider the position of the sun and thereby determine the compass points North South East and West before they determined which direction to proceed to civilization. How probable is it that FF is telling us to consider a compass direction (look quickly down)? In weekly words for April 29th, 2016 cited here: http://mysteriouswritings.com/featured-question-and-weekly-words-from-forrest-which-direction/ FF says that the Blaze points neither North South East of West. IMO the sun points down OR in all directions to the exclusion of none.

  68. My blaze solution is straight forward. In fact here is my complete poem solution. I am giving up the TOTC and want someone else to find it. Just be safe!
    Begin it where warm waters halt (Refers to the large hot springs that supply the public pools then flow into the river at Glenwood Springs Colorado)
    And take it in the canyon down, (Go East into a very scenic Canyon on the most expensive section of highway ever built, Interstate 70) Not far, but too far to walk (Go for a mile or two and take the first exit No Name. Turn right and take road down to the dead end).
    Put in (Clearly a boat in a river reference) below the home of Brown. (Grizzly Creek is the very next exit just up river, or east on I-70 and Grizzly bears are also known as brown bears)
    There’ll be no paddle up your creek, (River is very narrow and rapid upstream from this point but downstream is not as rapid and it widens out)
    Just heavy loads (Across the river is a railroad track and trains carry heavy loads)
    If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, (Downstream about ¼ mile and across the river there is a Railroad tunnel entrance and just up from there is a blaze like feature, a huge notch, in the canyon wall from a very old rock slide)
    Look quickly down, your quest to cease, (If you’re in a boat and you look down you are looking into the water!)
    But tarry scant (Train tunnel entrance is black and tarry looking from diesel smoke) with marvel gaze, (Metaphor for canyon wall. Tar is small in perspective too…)
    NOTE: This location is above were warm water flows into the river, below the home of Brown, in a canyon, and above 5000 feet elevation. The GPS position of the blaze is 39 deg. 33’ 24” N 107 deg. 18’ 30” W.
    So hear me all and listen good, (Hazard warning) your effort will be worth the cold. (The river water level is too high and murky in the summer. Only time to search is late fall winter and early spring. After the snow melts the river is low and clear)
    If you are brave and in the wood (Another reference to Glenwood Canyon)
    Every clue in the poem can be solved with this location however, the Colorado River has had many years to either conceal the treasure or wash it up onto shore. GOOD LUCK

    • Nice solve, Ken.
      I drove that section of I–70 and it’s beautiful. It feels like your squeezed between the canyons. I can see why you say it was the most expensive section of the highway.

  69. If all you need is the poem to “walk with confidence” to the chest, doesn’t it stand to reason that the blaze is mentioned by name in the poem?

    Couple that with the idea that the blaze is a permanent-ish natural feature and the list of options is significantly reduced.

    Whittle the list of options down even further by considering that FF says “your effort will be worth the cold”. Must be a water feature in the area in which you will be applying your “effort”.

    My blaze meets all of these criteria, so it will get a second visit this year.

    No new or original thoughts here, just hoping to spark further conversation and share my version of logic-based interpretation.

    • Tripp – I agree with what you are saying. You and I are thinking along the same lines. Also, one of Forrest’s quotes is “The clues did not exist when I was a kid but most of the places the clues refer to did.” I believe the Blaze that Forrest refers to in the poem did NOT exist when he was born or when he was very young, but HAS existed now for several decades. IMO the LOCATION of the Blaze has always been there and the Blaze itself has been there for decades and “might still exist in 100 years but the geography probably will change before we reach the next millennia.” I don’t think the Blaze is a permanent thing – very durable, yes and “MIGHT” still exist in 100 years, but not permanent in the sense that the Grand Canyon is permanent.

      • Warlock62 – Yes, it appears we are thinking along the same lines. IMO Forrest did not discover the blaze until he reached adulthood. Specifically, when he became a pilot. That covers the “wise” part for me also.

      • I have always had a question regarding the FF quote above. In reading it literally, does anyone else see the possibility that the clues did not exist when FF was a kid for the simple reason that the poem did not exist? To be clear, did FF create the clues when he created his poem and then kind of lead us astray with the above quote? Probably just splitting hairs but I have always been curious about this quote. I do like your idea of the blaze being named in the poem.

        • SandyB – Forrest answered a question on Jenny Kile’s site some time ago that said something to the effect that the clues did not exist when he was a kid but that most of the places the clues refer to did. That alone should be a huge clue to most searchers but it did not make waves. If one thinks logically about where Forrest spent his childhood, you can easily rule out 2 of the states. Some searchers want it to be in a specific state because that is where they live and others want it to be there because it makes for an easier solve. I would love it if the chest is found in NM or CO because I would not have to drive as far, but the poem has led me much further than those states. Logic can put you in the area. Imagination can bring you closer to the treasure chest. This is my opinion though.

  70. On another bog a contributor stated, “f has said the Blaze is WHITE in the past.”

    Can anyone confirm where/when/how Forrest said the Blaze was “white?” That clue has completely evaded my radar and would be important for many people, if true.

    I have never seen/heard anyone say that before…want to know if it is true, a misunderstanding or other…

    Thanks!

    • LMN – A post from another blog:

      Did you really say the blaze is a white streak, as has been rumored? Thank you. ~Deb

      Thanks Deb,
      No, I did not say that. There is a lot of bad information floating around the blogs and many posts that are not well thought out. One person said (I’m paraphrasing) “He said the treasure is hidden in the trees. Then he contradicted himself and said it was in the sun. How could it be both.” Makes me wonder if that person has ever been in the forest.f

    • LMN, on another thread (AOTP), I directed you to scrapbook #56 for a different question you had asked. In SB #56, I think the gentleman in the “white hat and tie” may be a “hint”. Another possible hint is on page #48 of TTOTC. Just a few places where I have picked up on “aberrations” in FF’s writing that seem to point to “white”…in addition to the oft discussed other ideas that may point to a white blaze.

  71. I don’t think that you need to have been “wise” to have found
    the blaze, although to find it, one would need a good
    interpretation of many — if not most — of the clues in the
    poem. And “being wise” certainly wouldn’t hurt. It did help
    provide to me some very important (perhaps crucial!)
    information that bolstered my solve.

    On page 58 of TTOTC, I believe that there is a hint. Perhaps
    it’s unintentional, but it also lends support to my solve.

    All the above is just my opinion. Yours may differ.

    I plan to (after I search) share info about the experience.

    Good luck to all searchers. Please stay safe.

    • Andrew,

      It seems logical that the one who has the interpretation of many – if not all- of the clues would have to be wise.

      LitterateOne

      • L1,
        I think the disposition of the poem is reliant on the character of a man that has been exposed to uncontrollable events in his life.
        This leads me to believe there is a possibility in belief that the poem is structured in such a way that it is created in a alternative way that is unique to those who understand terminology to understand.
        Now here’s the big clue. Pay attention L1.
        The structure & architecture of the poem relies heavily upon words that express a division of meanings & are encompassed in away to lead you to directly identify the reasoning of the clues.
        Here’s the real meat of the poem.
        When you read the poem from the first line, you will realize the structure is purely based upon your perspective to find the treasure.
        This is not the way to perceive the poem.
        The poem is based on a pathological conception to make you conceive thoughts of hypothetical scenarios based upon the illusion of your mind.

        Do you agree L1?

        • Jake,

          I believe we need to take each other up on that beer. I plan on being in your neck of the woods soon.

          LitterateOne

      • Did i miss something? Did Forrest say that someone had most or all of the clues figured out? Because I believe that I have recently figured out the blaze!

        • Bill;

          If you follow this thread above.Andrew posted the following:Andrew Jef on July 30, 2016 at 3:32 pm said:

          I don’t think that you need to have been “wise” to have found
          the blaze, although to find it, one would need a good
          interpretation of many — if not most — of the clues in the
          poem. And “being wise” certainly wouldn’t hurt. It did help
          provide to me some very important (perhaps crucial!)
          information that bolstered my solve.

          On page 58 of TTOTC, I believe that there is a hint. Perhaps
          it’s unintentional, but it also lends support to my solve”

          . I was telling him to also look on page 61, for a similar hint. – JDA

        • You are welcome, and welcome aboard. Good luck in getting your feet on the ground, and good luck in your search. I hope that you find all that you seek, and remember TRY to STAY SAFE JDA

  72. Hear me all – thank you for your insight. I appreciate your thoughts believe I understand your logic. When you say “it did not make waves” are you referring subtly to where “warm waters halt” as a place a clue refers to that did not exist when FF was a kid? It seems many think it is the blaze. I guess it could be almost any of the clues…?? but I think you have other ideas. Thanks for your response.

    • SandyB – I don’t remember making a statement about “it did not make waves”. Maybe you are thinking of another post and mine also mixed in. In my post from a few days ago, I was just implying that if one uses logic about most of the places the clues refer to were around when Forrest was a kid, it could at the very least lead searchers to two possible states. There are two states he never mentioned spending time in as a kid. I know there are die hard searchers in both of those states and some of them probably think he hid the chest in one of those two states because he never mentions them in stories about his youth. I’m not trying to start a war here, but if you use logic and think it can reduce the search area from 4 states to 2 pretty quickly.

  73. I believe that I have also figured out something about the blaze. In my opinion,
    it is a real, physical thing. And it would be quite a task to move or destroy it,
    although a team of two or three people could cover it up (say, with tarps the
    color of the nearby ground) in a day, if the tarps were pre-placed nearby.
    This is all just my opinion. Good luck to all searchers. Please stay safe.

      • I have found this blaze in 3 states north of sante fe and 1 fits best thus far with the clues in the poem but I don’t want to divulge anymore

  74. The following Q and A is from MW, Forrest’s Surprise Words : Find the Blaze
    Q : Mr. Forest,
    I was just wondering. If I can find the blase, why should I worry about where warm waters halt? All I need to do is look “quickly down” like the poem says, and there is the treasure, right? ~ Philadelphia Franklin
    A : That’s correct Philly, but that’s not a plausible scenario. If you can find a fish already on your hook you needn’t go fishing, right?
    Don’t force those kinds of aberrational thoughts on yourself or you’ll likely walk back to your car with a very light back pack. F

    Looking at the second half of the first sentence of FF’s reply, “…but that’s not a plausible scenario.” Not plausible sounds like a huge understatement to me. I think FF said at some point that the blaze could be seen from 12 feet away. This would mean the blaze could be seen from any point in along a 24 foot wide circle. How many circles of this size do you think could fit in the search area, probably millions. The last two sentences in FF’s answer reinforce the non-plausibility of this approach to finding the chest

    And then there is the second question asked by Philly, “All I have to do is look “quickly down”… and there is the treasure, right?” FF’s reply, “That’s Correct Philly…”

    To my pea brain FF is saying that if you find the blaze look quickly down because the treasure lies under the blaze, but it is impossible to find the blaze without solving all of the other clues first.

    Ideas, thoughts, or opinions on this anyone.

    • I agree Spinney, Fenn seems to be reinforcing his statements about the implausibility of finding the treasure/blaze without solving the clues.

      I also agree that Fenn is saying when one finds the blaze the chest is right there. But we must be wise to find the blaze.

      • @Goofy – what do you see in the many words which follows looking under the blaze and finding the chest? If there are nine clues which sequentially lead to the chest, and your solution stops in the middle of the poem, and one shouldn’t ignore any of the words used… I’m not following your logic.

        • E.C. I really wish I knew the answer to your question. I feel that is the answer to finding the location of the chest.

          Like you said the clues are consecutive and contiguous and end with finding the chest. That would basically make the nine previous lines the nine clues.

          1. WWWH
          2. canyon down
          3. not far
          4. home of Brown
          5. meek
          6. nigh
          7. no paddle
          8. heavy loads
          9. blaze

          What does the rest of the poem tell us?

          • Goofy,
            While I’m not going say I actually know what a clue refers to, or even know what a clue might be within the poem… I’m reminded of these comments;

            “The poem in my book is something that I changed over and over again. When you read the poem it looks like just, just simple words there. But I guarantee you that I worked on that. I felt like an architect drawing that poem.”

            “I mean, there’s people driving down the street looking for a blaze, because that’s one of the clues, but you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure, I don’t think, I mean, it would be a miracle if someone did.”

            As well as the there are many WWWH in in the Rockies… in which part of the answers was… [ not posting the full Q&A for space, but most know it well].
            “There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues.”

            The second comment seems important to what the blaze discussion might inter.
            Add the others and they seem to collaborate that the blaze in the middle of the poem ~ might ~ not be the end, of the clues or the challenge.

          • Well Seeker I suppose you could be correct. But he wrote in his book: So I wrote a poem containing nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure:

            So I read that as the treasure is the end. I know I’m way too logical and simple minded for you. But since neither of us has the chest after all these years that tells us what our opinions are worth. 🙂

          • I feel I’m a logical, easy of thought [ a realist if you will ], common sense guy like yourself Goofy… I think we need to add one more line of thinking when it comes to fenn and the poem… Cleverness.
            Many call fenn a wordsmith, I agree and I think you do as well. Fenn said he tends to use words that aren’t in the dictionary and others that are, bends them a little. Fenn also said when he wrote the poem, he looked up words… contradiction? or cleverness at work.

            Do we over simplify “the poem containing 9 clues” as a must be 9 lines, and possibly miss the clever way of saying… containing, as the poem ‘holds’ all the clues within 9 sentences.

            Yep, I think I’m a logical and simple minded guy like you Goofy… I’m Just not that clever.

          • Seeker: “I feel I’m a logical”
            You can’t feel logic.
            Logic is not a constant and not absolute with us humans all the time.
            We can say that is logical or was logical but we will never be able to think in a logical way all the time.
            If you think you can, that’s illogical.

          • @Seeker – here’s the phrase that removed me from the chase:

            “Helen, I get no satisfaction from writing as if my thoughts were formulated. If you don’t understand my meaning, I hope you would at lease understand my intent. Sometimes, in the still of myself, my nuances do not evoke the presence of an author, but of a scribbler. Sorry for the confusion. f”

            I now propose to remove “cleverness” completely and align more with Jake’s and Goofy’s thought models. Perhaps the only cleverness about any of this is what we have invested in believing any of it is clever. Perhaps Fenn suggests to ask a child because he can think at no level higher than one… if I’m correctly reading the unformulated intent of his “scribbler” meaning.

          • @pdenver – thank you, but is it best? It seems to me to be a repeating theme. We over-complicate with head pressures and Latin and what-not. We over-simplify by trying to start with the blaze. We infer too much meaning, we should get back in the box, and he “was hoping someone would say that about that.” It has been made clear to me that “straight forward” only means “straight forward”, like how a child would hear it… Or say it.

            As such, if it is so straight forward, I am not qualified to brute force my way through the US Rockies trying to unwind all possibilities. I know of much more profitable investments with my energy.

          • Jake, you quoted my opening to Goofy’s comment ~Seeker: “I feel I’m a logical”
            You said ~You can’t feel logic.

            LOL… if ya spend less time on my wordings and poor typing skills, and more time on the context of the poem and fenn’s wordings, you’d be farther ahead.

            ps. The full sentences was; “I feel I’m a logical, easy of thought [ a realist if you will ], common sense guy like yourself Goofy…”

            Maybe the problem here is, you don’t seem to like using ‘Full’ sentences.

          • I disagree about the clues being consecutive.
            I firmly believe WWWH, not far but too far to walk, no place for the meek, no paddle up your creek, heavy loads and water high all refer to the exact same thing/place. These words clarify WWWH. (imo) I think if you know WWWH, you know what the blaze is.

      • Spinney –

        “All I need to do is look “quickly down” like the poem says, and there is the treasure, right?”

        A : That’s correct Philly, but that’s not a plausible scenario. If you can find a fish already on your hook you needn’t go fishing, right?

        I think the final “blaze” is ff’s rainbow-shaped epitaph on a flat rock that he carried in on a previous trip to dig a cache to hide the bronze chest. To get there,…I believe there are several other treasure map-like blazes,…leading inward in concentric circles,…beginning with the ‘X’ that the confluence of the three rivers make at Three Forks, MT with the Missouri River (as shown in a faint map picture next to Peggy in her swimsuit in ff’s book). That one ff could see from the air….

        I think a searcher has to first go to my Wise Owl Blaze,…then take the directionally indicated trail “blaze”,…to reach my search area (where they will find even more indicating “blazes” to get closer and closer to my hidey spot).

        And I still think all of the blazes in my solve are like a trail ff blazed to go fly fishing,…which is why he made that “go fishing” reference above in his answer.

      • Goofy, here’s one reason I don’t believe that we must be
        wise to find the blaze:

        FF’s poem only IMPLIED it. Let me give you an example
        of how my thinking goes on this, okay?

        If I say “I went to a grocery store and bought a truck,”
        that’s a true statement. But it only IMPLIES that I bought
        the truck AT a grocery store. In real life, I actually DID
        go to a grocery store. And in real life, I actually DID
        buy a truck.

        The above may be a lame example. I hope that you do
        understand me, though.

        And although I think it would be HELPFUL to have “been
        wise”, I believe I have found the blaze, without doing
        what FF implied in connection with being “wise.” It’s a
        long story that I don’t wish to share right now. But here’s
        a tidbit of information that may help you understand all
        of the above . . . FF said “wise” instead of “smart”,
        “clever”, “determined”, “educated”, “learned”, “well-read”,
        “studious”, “dogged”, “persevering”, or the like. And he chose ALL his words VERY carefully, in my opinion.

        Please think about all this. I spent a very long time
        working on my solve (more than 3 months, from start to
        finish, although it was only about 2 or 3 hours per day
        during that time). It wasn’t easy. And I worked on only
        1 clue — or at least what I thought was a clue — at a
        time, testing it to see if it made sense compared to
        the previous/next clue. I made many, many changes to
        my (tentative) search path, and eventually realized that
        what I now have MUST be the correct one, or else it all
        (the whole treasure hunt, involving FF, the media, and
        thousands of searchers) makes no sense to me . . . and
        it is BRILLIANT, what FF has done (hee hee!). I think
        that when the location of the TC is announced, many
        many people will agree that this solve makes sense, and
        that an average person should have been able to figure
        it out.

        Yes, of course, I don’t have the TC in my possession.

        That may change soon (before the end of summer).

        The above is just my opinion. Yours may differ.

        Good luck to all searchers. Please be safe.

        • I meant to say that I had determined what the
          blaze is (not that I had found it). I haven’t been
          close enough with BOTG to actually, physically
          see the blaze.

          I also believe that for many searchers, BOTG searching will help determine what the blaze is.

          Being “wise” (instead of smart, clever, determined, etc. as I listed above) can be quite helpful. Please think about it.

          This is my opinion only, folks. Yours may differ.

        • Well Andrew, coming up with a good solution in three months is good. There are some here that have been working on a solution for years.

          I suppose you could be correct; we may not need to be wise to find the blaze, or not begin at WWWH, or endure the cold, or listen good, or be in the wood, or look quickly down, to find the treasure.

          Good hunting.

        • Andrew jef,

          Your; “I went to a grocery store and bought a truck,” Is a good… try this one… ‘ I went to the ocean, and caught a fish’
          It seems to imply you caught a fish in the ocean, but was that exactly what happened? The ocean and the act of catching the fish may not be at the same location. Most will see it that way IF they only have that line to work with ~ as well as ~ the coma.

          What we think we see is, not always, what we hope to see.

    • could be looking down you find a thing that helps in finding the chest? He asked about looking down and finding the “treasure”, not the “chest”. Would it be a “treasure” if you found something that helped in finding the “chest”?

      It’s a bummer Philly didn’t ask if he looked down you would find the “chest”. A “treasure” can be so many different things.Especially to f. A tree, fish in a river, rocks, anything in nature.

      This would allow the blaze being, say, clue 4 or something and looking down an object you need to take to use on a different clue. Then, the last line could be clue 9, and everything from line 16 on could be getting to the spot to use that “treasure” you have.

  75. Sure I’ll try to help out…and is just facts along with my opinion.

    “‘I think FF said at some point that the blaze could be seen from 12 feet away.””

    Actually Forrest was responding to allegations that someone had gotten within 12 feet of the treasure….

    https://dalneitzel.com/2014/06/25/scrapbook-seventy-eight/

    Second, I have not said that a searcher was closer than 12’ from the treasure. It is not likely that anyone would get that close and not find it.

    And about the “quickly down” he used Forrest’s quote from the poem, therefore it says no more or no less than it did in the poem with FF replying “That’s Correct Philly…”, for it there is no change in the way it’s said (being in quotes) and it’s something Forrest actually wrote, so of course he would agree. Hope that helps

    • From the last paragraph of your reply, would I be correct in thinking that, in your estimation, Forrest’s “That is correct Philly” part of his reply is saying that Philly has correctly quoted from the poem but Forrest is not addressing whether or not Philly’s interpretation of that quote is correct. I was finding it hard to believe that Forrest would acknowledge that someones interpretation of something in the poem was correct even if it was.

      Thanks for your help.

      • Yes spinney that’s what I believe he meant by that. Also understand that he did not ask Forrest about an interpretation… he merely stated Forrest’s own quote as a question. Allow me to give an example…

        (After first learning from the shaman about making primitive fire)….

        Caveman: Uggh! Me no can make fire! What not right!?
        Shaman: Agggh… to stand tall, one must first fall.
        Caveman: Uggh? So all me must do is “first fall”?
        Shaman: Agggh… that is correct.

        Its a metaphor for practicing and failing. Has nothing to do with falling down and standing up. But the caveman never asked what exactly it meant, he just asked him if that’s (basically) what he said.

        An interpretation would be, in Phily’s case….

        “All I need to do is look below the blaze, like I think the poem alludes to, and there is the treasure, right?”

        Here, he would be asking Forrest if HIS version of what the poem says, is correct.

        hope that helps

  76. Can anyone confirm that f said a blaze could be on a horse? There seem to be quite a bit of horses involved in his stories…

    • I’m pretty sure he did on an audio interview with radio station..might of been the one where Dal was also on it.

        • pieces, please remember that most horses (to my
          uncertain knowledge) don’t live for hundreds of
          years. However, a statue of a horse could last
          for that long. So could a painting, drawing,
          hieroglyph, or petroglyph . . . things like that.

          Good luck in your search. Please stay safe.

  77. I just started searching a week or so back and the first time I read the poem I thought of the white marking on a horse’s snout called a “blaze”. It was only later that I realized it could be a marking for a trail, etc. But I definitely think any definition of blaze can be explored.

  78. scribble (v.)
    mid-15c., from Medieval Latin scribillare, diminutive of Latin scribere “to write” (see script (n.)). Related: Scribbled; scribbling. The noun, “hurried or careless writing,” is 1570s, from the verb.
    scribbler (n.)

    Scribbler (also at Dictionary.com)
    “petty author,” 1550s, agent noun from scribble (v.).

    BLAZE:

    blaze (v.3)
    “to mark” (a tree, a trail), 1750, American English; see blaze (n.2).
    blaze (v.1)
    “to burn brightly or vigorously,” c. 1200, from blaze (n.1). Related: Blazed; blazing.
    blaze (n.2) Look up blaze at Dictionary.com
    “light-colored mark or spot,” 1630s, northern English dialect, probably from Old Norse blesi “white spot on a horse’s face” (from the same root as blaze (n.1)). A Low German cognate of the Norse word also has been suggested as the source. Applied 1660s in American English to marks cut on tree trunks to indicate a track; thus the verb meaning “to mark a trail;” first recorded 1750, American English. Related: Blazed; blazing.
    blaze (n.1) L
    “bright flame, fire,” Old English blæse “a torch, flame, firebrand, lamp,” from Proto-Germanic *blas- “shining, white” (source also of Old Saxon blas “white, whitish,” Middle High German blas “bald,” originally “white, shining,” Old High German blas-ros “horse with a white spot,” Middle Dutch and Dutch bles, German Blesse “white spot,” blass “pale, whitish”), from PIE root *bhel- (1) “to shine, flash, burn” (see bleach (v.)).
    blaze (v.2) L

    “make public” (often in a bad sense, boastfully), late 14c., perhaps from Middle Dutch blasen “to blow” (on a trumpet), from Proto-Germanic *blaes-an (source also of German blasen, Gothic -blesan), from PIE *bhle-, variant of root *bhel- (2) “to blow, inflate, swell” (see bole).

    All.courtesy of etymonline com

    So it’s ANY mark of a trail or ANY start of ANY kimd….also a mark on a horse….also a boastful public making scene….and a flashlight….and a mark on a tree… seems to.always involve something that proverbially “lights a path”or “starts a fire”

    Were getting closer now!!lol

    I do like the thought of it being a newspaper though..that’s make a great vimtage front page to mark a future treasure….and F woulda seen it as a paperboy…

    • Scotch mining term Blaes- Mudstone or shale not containing much bituminous or carbonaceous matter, but generally sufficient to give a dark blue (blae) color.

    • Jamie,
      You’re a smart fortune cookie… I have read your post and your word choices you personally use in them, which has at times been out of the norm… that is why I have enjoyed them so much… they make me think.
      The listings you have for Blaze are great. But are they limited?
      How about [ note; some you have already ] Glare, Gleam, Flash, Burst, streak, radiant, brilliance, beam, inferno and more…
      Or Blaze of glory, Blaze a trail, getting blazed, Blazing fast…
      Even be angry, stir up, inflamed, etc.
      or Idioms for blaze usages. And not to mention, adding other words such as ‘found the blaze’ and the usages of found.

      Sure, some will jump on this as, you’re over “complicating the solve” I would have to ask this, fenn gave examples of “over complicating” all of which were external to the poem, which imo, almost all searchers do in regards to most solves. Why using alternative usages of meanings the words, be messing with the only information fenn gave us? Especially when most consider fenn a wordsmith.

      It’s post like your Jamie that bring a new light [ pun intended ] to reading the poem. Although, at time they can be as confusing as mine are… maybe that’s a good thing.

      • Not over complicating at all seeker. I think all aspects need to be looked at. I like “blaze of glory”. Glory being a halo rainbow, the blaze being the shadow. So many ways to see what f means by just one word. People seem to use that “overcomplicating” term to much. “If it was easy,etc…etc…etc…”

        Why say “look up several”, and see the different meanings if he didn’t do it? Getting the meanings of the words is not overcomplicating, it’s a way to walk in his shoes, whether those shoes be slippers or socks with holes in them. There are hints in the confusion…

        • Charlie, melanie

          To be fair, I’ll give and example of a 9 line attempt to solve the poem and I’ll add the KiSS method. The thought begins stanza 1, but we’ll get back to that.
          Many wwwh [ waters as plural ] in the RM’s ~ as an overall usage of vertical waters that react the surface as ‘Halt’ stopping their upwards travel. But to locate the proper area we need to understand a few things that the book tells us. [subtle hints ] ~YNP~ meaning the first national park, not only in the USA, but the World. Fenn tales of the area, and an aberration of one chapter… ‘in love with YS’. A single page chapter with only a couple lines that talk about the park. [ I found this odd for a title chapter to talk more about the travel to it, than the place itself ]
          The Grand Canyon is next step, and the distance is of around the outer edge or rim… pibhoB, is a simple acknowledgement of the 1st national park. Npftm, again the wilds of the natural setting and for it to remain so [ the peoples land ]. Teiedn relates to the upper and lower falls…jhlawh… works in combination with the falls and the blaze. Monument boulder. A glacial remnant, and a climbable [ with instructions ] two story tall rock. [ kids may have an advantage? ] From the top look quickly down… Which brings us back to stanza one… hint of riches new and old… the park becoming a national treasure [new] what YS has to offer geologically [old ], and an area fenn is in love with, to secret himself.

          This uses the 9 most common lines, as well as not all clues refer to places needed to be traveled.
          One of the main problems I have with this is year round accessibility to the after the fact comment… If you know precisely where it is, you probably can retrieve it in any weather.

          However, i can do this with almost anywhere USA… charlie I agree that word choices and understanding them [as well as word placement] is more effective in the use of the poem as a whole.

      • HI Seeker. Your idea about “found the blaze” is intriguing.

        Take E*’s idea that an etched/chiseled inscription on a flat stone of some sort covers a pre-prepared cache hole (cleverly skirting the whole buried/not buried conundrum) and was left there on a previous visit by FF, perhaps even upside down and totally innocuous in the landscape until he could return to deposit his treasure.

        Add to that my weirdo idea that perhaps FF by himself (he knows how) cast a fake hollow but well weighted bronze “hidey rock” that would naturally patina to camo itself over the years and protect the chest over the long term.

        Heat both notions to a boil until they’re molten and blend together for the blaze being a cast bronze (founded) fake flat rock with a raised inscription or image. That could certainly remain unseen and last the ages. You would LITERALLY have to be right on top of it to see it. Just like how FF stumbled upon/over the French soldier’s marker. Flat on the ground. Only the flowers, the waving tall grasses and sound of the water are witness to it.

        This theory puts a lot more pressure on figuring out exactly what the “blaze” is. because without it, there’s no way you’ll see the flat “rock”.

        Just a thought. no facts here.

          • Hi Michael. No need to knock on boulders, and who said anything about man-sized?

            Here’s my conjecture: The “flat stone” would only need to be big enuf to cover a cache for a small 10x10x5 chest. I think that’s more in the jack rabbit sized range, not man sized range

            Additionally, my posit was about a flat “stone” with an inscription (almost like those stepping stones you see). And only large enuf to cover the chest’s cache spot. That makes said stone, oh…let’s say about 24″ in (irregular) diameter.

            Just a thought for your consideration. Probably not so “brilliant” after all. But, I do think it has possibilities to consider.

  79. I think (IMO) the blaze is a trail, not a human trail, which takes one up in elevation (as game trails often do) in a circuitous route which may intersect with other similar trails, so find the correct blaze and keep your eyes looking down or you might step on it. The area where it is left is a very special place. Use your flashlight coming back.

  80. I think it is something made of Bronze so that it will last a thousand years, just like the bells he buried. I think it’s either a horse shoe or possibly one of those frogs he likes to make.

    • My theory is that the “horseshoe” he had made in the book is actually an Omega. I think that may have been used as a mold to make a Bronze version. I think the Blaze is a Bronze Omega or possibly a double Omega like the one at the end of the book.

  81. I think the blaze is blue. I can hear Forrest almost saying “what in blue blazes is wrong with these people? They’ve all gotbtoo much time on their hands”.

    • “What in the blue blazes…” I’ve heard that expression all my life. Any idea idea where that comes from?

        • Thanks Pdenver…very interesting…so we might follow the blaze or trail to find the evidence of the old old intense blaze which FF might consider to be his favorite of all places for various reasons. In chem class we learned that adjusting the Bunsen burner to blue flame meant it was hottest and burning (oxidizing) most efficiently.

          • mensan_fennsan, I once considered that
            Bunsen Peak (in Yellowstone National Park) might be the blaze. I have since
            decided that it is not the “correct” one.

            By the way, I’d like to (offline) ask you something not related. Would you please
            e-mail me at tallandrew@sbcglobal.net ?

    • Brian, did ALL the earlier clues, in your interpretation, lead you
      to Blaze Mountain? I suggest you analyze your entire solve,
      “clue by clue”. If it has a flaw, then it’s not the correct/valid
      solve that will lead you to the treasure.

      Good luck with your search. Please be safe.

      • No. The post was half in jest. I just thought it was interesting that there is a mountain called the blaze for the obvious reason that it has a big white streak down it. I thought I’d share it.

        • Brian,
          I considered Blaze Mountain to be the blaze at one time last year & after a considerable amount of research I realized that it was not doable for an 80 yr old.
          Also the road & parking area there is a high traffic area with all sorts of vehicles parked there with a lot of horse trailers as well.
          There are some clearings where you can see the blaze after hiking quite a bit & which one would it have to be to correct?
          I am assuming you took Spanish Creek Rd to get there.

          • Same here Brian.
            I have been near there but never down that long winding road to the parking spot here. 45.447699 111.377214
            Zoom in & take a good look at all the vehicles parked there, 30 plus.
            I do not know of any other way to get there & see the blaze from the NW side.

    • John, while you’re concerning yourself with trees, I’ll concern
      myself with things that will last a thousand years, knowing that
      many (if not all) forests in the Rocky Mountains will see their
      share of forest fires during that time . . . without changing the
      location of the treasure.

      Good luck in your search. Please be safe.

      • Andrew- you didnt read any of my other posts to understand the above pictures. It’s not just any tree or any random initial carving. This faces an area that is huge, and one the the most beautiful places of the rocky mountains. The location fits being wise, moonbow on your back, and it’s been there earlier than 2012. Number of steps match number of combat missions forrest flew, and on google earth Tom’s trail shows up as a bike trail. Hence the hint ride my bike to water high. Heavy loads also visible in metal steps that have been dented from falling stones. There is also spot not far from here that looks like a bombed out bunker from one of the pictues from ttotc. I’m surprised that it’s been so overlooked and cast aside like it’s just a mark on a tree. IMO

        • John, thank you for the additional info. I didn’t
          mean to offend, insult, or seem too dismissive.
          I appreciate all your analysis.

          Good luck on your search.

  82. Just a few curious thoughts about the blaze: When I first started to develop my solve, at one location I had no blaze. I began to think about possible blazes, and one that stuck out in my mind was an arrowhead. Forrest talks about finding his first arrowhead when he was nine, and how important it was to him.

    Just the other day, I was thumbing through TFTW and noticed the picture of “an” arrowhead on page 211 of TFTW. The title of the chapter is “Heading North”. but on page 211, he titles a picture of an airplane “Heading South, and then an untitled picture of a moose, and this tiny arrowhead laying atop the two pictures. WHY???

    On page 248 there is a picture of the same arrowhead with a hand written note that reads,”I was nine when I found this little arrowpoint. It had been waiting 600 years for me to come along and pick it up, The stories it could tell…”

    The story above the picture and hand written note is called, “born too late.” It tells the more complete story of finding the arrowhead when he was nine. Note the change from “Arrowhead” tp “Arrowpoint”. I find it strange—Why “Arrowpoint”? There must be a significance, I just do not (as yet) know what that significance might be. Why TWO pictures of the same arrowhead or arrowpoint? Why is the chapter titled “Heading North, and the picture title “Heading south”? Questions, questions, questions. Does anyone have any thoughts?

    Can any of this have a relationship with the BLAZE? H E L P ! ! !

    Full of questions, with few answers – JDA

    • My solve runs north to south. I hadn’t thought about the direction making a difference till now.

    • JDA,
      Good thinking, IMO.
      F said that the blaze faced neither N, S, E, or W; you may be on a productive line of thought.
      Geoff
      “Have flashlight, will travel”

    • So… Because I still get email notifications for this thread until Dal closes it, here’s two fun facts:

      The NPS logo is an arrowhead.

      Fenn likes weather cocks (veletas). These have NSEW directional indications.

      • Sloane had a weather forecasting gig for awhile. There’s a neat story about one of his drawings for the paper was a weathervane from the angle where it said “NEWS” (note that news headlines are also early meaning of “Blaze” maybe that ole rooster s got a key somewhere in that cock-a-“doodle” do of Eric’s?

    • JDA…Clovis era arrowheads are called points by the intelligencia. IMO you may be right about the significance of FF changing tune in midstream (sorta speak.) Do you see any “points” on THE map?

      • As you may, or may not know, I have moved my search area 1/4 mile farther upstream from where I was searching. I am now at the TOP of my waterfall.

        At my new location, I felt the need to find a NEW blaze. At this “Point” I am not yet willing to say if the “Arrowpoint” has any significance, but stay tuned.

        Good luck to ALL searchers, may you find all that you seek, and TRY to STAY SAFE. JDA

  83. Concerning my solve…I have said that I think that “the blaze” may be a game trail (as in to blaze or mark a trail) or a white mark (shown on Google Earth) from “high water” but I also am entertaining the idea that the blaze may actually be on the map provided by FF in the book with the poem printed on it. An exaggerated feature on that map which looks like a commonly used symbol might actually mark the location of WWWH in my opinion. If you don’t KNOW the first clue you might as well stay home and play kanasta.

  84. I am new to the chase. But I love puzzles, and I love the part of the country where the Chase takes place. After finding the poem onlineand reading it and re-reading it and re-reading it again and browsing the different websites for hours on end I just had to order the book. When I received it I read it straight through cover to cover. Since then I have been analyzing the poem in reading it over and over again. I just can’t help but think that all of the places in the poem are very general and could be almost anywhere in the world. This leads me to believe that the poem is a puzzle that must be first figured out and then you will have the nine clues that lead to an exact spot.

    Sometimes when trying to solve a problem we will come to focus on what we’re looking at and it helps to have a fresh set of eyes look at things so let me offer my perspective. When I first started trying to think outside the box and I got to stanza #4 I thought there it is right in front of me I found the blaze… it is written right there at the end of the first line “the blaze”. LOL

    This got me to thinking maybe the blazes and a physical marking it out. Maybe instead the blaze is something listed in the poemand we have to find the blaze within the poem itself. And just something else to ponder, the way and where this line is in the poem makes me think that “the blaze” should have already been found somewhere within the first 3stanzas.

    I asked myeslf a question

    Q. Self would this blaze still be around in 100 or 1000 years or maybe even more?

    A. Yes it would be around as long as the chase continuesand as long as the poem exists because it is in the poem. And it maybe around long after that in people’s memories and the stories that they tell.

    These are just my thought and opinions and I’m looking forward to what you all have to say. Prove me right or prove me wrong, but I know whatever you all have to say it will be good.

    Thanks, and happy hunting.

    • wiggy,
      There are many questions that has been asked about the Blaze, and while I can see what your saying about part of the poem might be telling us what the blaze is, these two Q&A’s might help with thought.

      “Is the Blaze one single object? “In a word – Yes”

      “Can the blaze be pre-determined by the poem or can it only be determined at the search area?- becky
      Becky, you are a rascal to ask that question and I have been sitting here for about fifteen minutes trying to decide what to say. Well, it has been thirty minutes now and I think I’ll pass on the question. Sorry.f ”

      In one question he answers about the blaze as an object, but that is still needing a bit of interpretation on the part of the reader to understand “in a word”

      In the other question fenn didn’t give an answer, but took 30 mins. to think about it… so imo… we should think about the question ourselves… per-determined vs. only at the search area.

      If we add the comments that fenn stated ~’the poem will lead to the chest’ and another comment of ~ ‘path be certain beforehand’ The interpretation of what those comments [ when read in full ] actually say, floats in different directions from one searcher to another. Personally I would concentrate more on what the first clue might be and what it refers to… and hope the blaze in one form or another reveals itself.

      Fenn stated; “I mean, there’s people driving down the street looking for a blaze, because that’s one of the clues, but you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure, I don’t think, I mean, it would be a miracle if someone did.”

      And another in part; “…. I cannot imagine anyone finding the treasure without first identifying the starting point, although many seem to be preoccupied with later clues. To me that’s just expensive folly. f “

    • Wiggy –

      Welcome to the chase ! In the beginning the mistake many newcomers make, is looking for the blaze first…….

      Here is what FF had to say about it……….

      “Searchers have routinely revealed where they think the treasure was hidden and walked me through the process that took them on that course. That’s how I know a few have identified the first two clues. Although others were at the starting point I think their arrival was an aberration and they were oblivious to its connection with the poem. Playing a hunch is not worth much in the search and those who start out by looking for the blaze, are wasting their time.f”

      To look for a good starting point is the way to go……….

      Have fun and I look forward to your future posts.

  85. Sorry I was using my phone so there were a few errors. I was trying to say *maybe the blaze isn’t a physical marking at all…….
    Or maybe it is something physical but the poem tells us what it is e.g. “the home of Brown”

    One last thought… Correct me if I’m wrong but Wasn’t “F”‘s asked if is the blaze a single object. And he kind of gave a weird answer I believe he said, ( in a word yes.) this theory kind of makes sense with that answer doesn’t it? Or am I trying to fit a square peg into a round hole?

    • Wiggy, My thoughts as well… I suspect it’s physical but has a TIME element… is organic, circular (returns regularly) and will do so in one of natures banquet halls as long as the environment permits. Looking forward to more of your thoughts. OS2

    • You have an interesting take on it, Wiggy. Thanks for sharing and welcome to the Chase. I don’t think it’s right, but that’s what makes a horse race.

  86. Wiggy;

    Welcome to the chase. Hope you are having fun.

    Your idea of the blaze being in the poem is “Out of the box”, and who knows, it just might be the right answer.

    Forrest has warned against starting in the middle though. He has often said to start at the beginning. You have to decide whether that means, “Start at the first word of stanza #1, or whether that means start at the first word of stanza #2.” There seems to be a group of searchers in each camp. Take your pick.

    Again, welcome. If you have not found them yet, check out two of the tabs at the very top of each thread – “Rules” and “Cheat Sheet.” These are usually very helpful in helping new searchers (Nubies) get their feet on the ground.

    Good Luck, I hope that you find all that you seek, and TRY to STAY SAFE – JDA

  87. Hi Fenn Community, I AM FORMING A TEAM – PLEASE APPLY WITHIN

    Been on here a couple of months, went on an expedition or 2, and made a few comments, and saw a lot of smart individuals making sense of their own interpretation of their poem.

    Whether its the right location or not, of course we will never know who is right until someone actually solves the poem correctly and grabs the Roman Chest.

    or stumbles on it while hiking or camping and never knew nothing of ” The Thrill of the Chase” or Mr. Fenn

    This is why I want to act fast and start a team and go one last time to my locale in New Mexico before winter— Who is with me??

    I will hand pick a few people so go to my website/blog and put in your resume even if you cant look for it physically or think your too old, or handicap or too busy at this stage of your life… please apply I have other options

    http://www1idwillhe.wordpress.com

    Thank you for your time, and Happy Hunting !!!

      • 1idwillhe ,

        I admire your enthusiasm but, your “application” appears to ask for a lot of personal information that I don’t believe is necessary for you to have.

        Neither does your website indicate where, in NM, you will be searching. Or why.

        Good luck to ya , but it’s not for me.

        • I feel the questions I asked will give me a better sense of who the person is .. There was nothing personal … you want to make sure you can trust that person if you really find it that he or she will watch your back and not stab it… lol

          We are talking about $1-$4 million dollars I have seen people related to each other wish harm to the other for less

          And my location as we all know is at least 8.25 north of Santa fe …

          I know you are one of the major responders here but I hope this wasn’t the one mistake you chose wrong

          My poem is on the money along with new data … no one has ever said here
          Visually and Wisely… Good Luck to ya

        • Hey 1idwillhe,
          I concur with Roll Tide. After seeing what you asking it looks more like you’re not putting an expedition together but more like you need people with their ideas to parts of yours while in N.M., a 4×4 (possibly) and maybe some personal protection from a military person. I don’t know but I do know that you are asking for to much info just to go search.
          Goo luck and don’t go out in the winter, it can wait.
          Timothy…IMHO

          • Timothy you have it all wrong… the reason I ask if any military, is in some branches they teach repelling down, and hike all the time, probably a person in good shape, and has a license to carry a gun just in case, of bear or mountain lion etc..

            As for vehicle type some of the roads are bad especially due to rain and if they only have a car then they would come along with me or another driver

            And for getting other hints from others, I think when I choose the team and I tell them of my poem and how it correlates with the locale, they will be impressed and excited.

            When creating a team you want the right individuals and their ingenious way of thinking that you trust to find the blaze

  88. Thank you for all of the feedback. I agree 100% that the place to start is at the beginning. Although I am still trying to figure out if the beginning is “As I have gone” line 1 stanza 1, or where the poem tells me to “begin it” line one stanza 2, maybe line 2 stanza 2 which if you take my literal approach of doing what the poem says and just looking at the poem is WWWH (in the poem) WWWH At “take it in the canyon down”. Again not a physical place yet but a spot in the poem.
    I have read all of the rules and cheat sheets and read literally every post both new and archived on WWWH. It’s amazing how much time I have when I’m working a slow night shift. LOL.

    I think for now I like my approach of trying to figure out the poem as a puzzle first before trying to identify an exact location of WWWH (if that is where one is to even begin in the first place) I’m sure my approach may change over time. I try to look at each line and word individually and then step back and look at it as a whole.

    Another example of the way I am looking at the poem would be to follow what it is telling me. Begin WWWH. Line 2stanza 2 like I mentioned earlier. That puts you at “Take it in the canyon down.” If you literally do that (like move this line down in the poem) and “put in” where it tells you to “put in below the home of Brown” then you get something like the home of Brown in the canyon.
    IMO this is not really “messing with the poem” as we have been told we shouldn’t do but merely obeying what the poem told me to do.

    Just food for thought.
    Happy Hunting!!!

      • Thank you for referring me to that. I love your line of thinking. It falls more or less in line with the way I think about it, while trying to be open minded about all possible ways of looking at it. Basically trying to “obey” or follow the instructions in the poem to come to a more specific location. I have 1 question (well I have a ton about a lot of things but we will start with one for now)… seeing how you look at the poem similar to the way I do have you ever considered that maybe people just pass right by the TC for a reason they haven’t thought of like they keep trying to follow creeks that you don’t need a paddle and stuff when maybe it tells us the end is before that? Could it be possible that it is in an area before all that. Does the line “the end is drawing nigh” literally mean that is the end. I don’t know if I’m coming across clear in what I’m trying to say. But like “drawing nigh” is the end? And if that is the case then people would walk right past it. I find it surprising how some people seem to quickly dismiss this line of thinking and try to guess at WWWH when there could literally be thousands of places. I did see where some other people have looked at the poem similarly but they always lose me when they start rearranging words when not instructed to do so or start wanting to uses cyphers or decode something instead of just following instructions. It isn’t always clear exactly how to follow them though.

        P.S. And example. Do you know what this is as it relates to the poem? “Thealoneer”
        As I have gone (meaning it is gone) alone in there
        (The alone er)
        That’s what I mean by it isn’t clear how to follow the instructions. LOL

        • Good Morning Wiggy;

          My interpretation (which could be wrong) to the first line of the poem is this:

          As I (Forrest Fenn) went alone (I was alone, or at least I was not seen by anyone) in there…” I do not yet know where “in there” is, but as I decide where “in there” is, I must look IN that area, not just AT that area. Also, as I solve the puzzle (poem) it (in there) will become clearer. Now that I have solved the puzzle, “in there” to me (and again I could be wrong) means – IN a geographical area in Wyoming, IN a National Forest, IN a grove of pines, and IN a placid pool.

          That is how I interpret this line. I could be totally wrong, so take what I say with a grain of salt. It is just “an” idea – develop your own.

          Good luck in figuring out the pieces. JDA

      • I’m not gonna ask u to post ur email, but if I gave u one would u possibly email me. I’d like to bounce some thoughts off of you and show you what I have come up with thus far. I like the way u think and your approach seems very similar to mine. email seems like an easier way to have a convo without having to filter through all the comments especially since most of my post are done on my phone that would make it easier I think.

        • That post was for seeker. Thanks again.

          And to everyone else I enjoy all the different opinions and perspectives

          • No need to be sorry. I enjoy all of the different perspectives and approaches. I really liked seekers in A well solve even if I was kind of “iffy” in some of the exact conclusions it is basically the same approach I seem to have and the way I think about the poem. So I figured I’d see what he has to say on a couple things. Not that I have a problem putting them on here email is just easier

  89. Maybe the blaze, maybe not, but it sure is a butte…

    I was out scouting in my search area in Colorado recently and after hiking for a while, stumbled upon what I believe could be worthy of being the blaze. At first, it’s completely hidden from view, until you’ve found a way past the natural barrier, so even though I’ve been searching there all year, I haven’t seen this beauty until just recently.

    After hiking a little ways, all of the sudden you are looking at a pretty amazing butte sitting atop a hill about 300′ above the valley floor, perched precisely like a majestic castle would be portrayed in a fantasy movie or something.

    So, that’s my blaze and I’m going with it for now.

    Happy hunting everyone!
    SierraCharile

  90. For the first eight months that I have been searching, I have always interpreted the, “If you’ve been wise…” to mean “Wise like an owl, and have spotted particular hints in TTOTC and/or TFTW” This worked well for me.

    Lately, I have expanded this definition. I have added, “Wise like an owl that surveys its prey from a lofty perch, or from aloft.” I have done this because my new blaze can only be seen from a hilltop as I approach “My spot”….or from above using Google Earth. It can “kinda” be seen on a topo, but not very clearly.

    Don’t know if this will help anyone, but it sure is helping me in what I hope is my final quest.

    Good luck to all searchers. I hope that you find all that you seek, and TRY to STAY SAFE. JDA

      • Hopefully this coming Sunday. It will be a FAST trip – leave EARLY Sunday AM – drive 5 – 6 hrs, search – FIND IT – then drive back 5 – 6 hrs.

        My “team” has scheduling conflicts, so it will be a RUSH trip. – So, we are looking at a 15+ hour day of driving, hiking, and searching…and FINDING!!!

        Oh well, we hope that it will be worth it. JDA

  91. I placed this comment on the blaze topic page because it more or less relates to where the chest lays in wait, and many believe the blaze marks the location of the chest.
    This Q&A seems to have a double entendre, almost in the same reference to hidden and buried comments, yet the wording here seem, imo to imply, not in water. What do ya’ll think about ‘this’ comment?

    “You have mentioned sealing a bottle that is included in the chest with wax. What was your reason for doing this? Were you concerned merely for damp conditions or is the Chest hidden in water? ~ Izcajun”
    “Thanks for the questions Izcajun.
    When I was ready to put the olive jar that contained my autobiography and two of my hairs in the treasure chest I studied the lid. It was made of tin coated steel, which is not easily oxidized in air or water. Over time those characteristics can break down.
    Although I am not ready to say the treasure is not in water, I certainly didn’t want moisture to enter the jar. So I melted a chunk of microcrystalline wax to the point that it started smoking, which meant it was at its thinnest viscosity. Then I dipped the jar in the molten wax deep enough to cover the lid and part of the jar, and held it there for several seconds. I wanted the wax to seal the threads on both the lid and the jar, but I didn’t want the heat to break the glass. After it cooled for a minute or so and the wax hardened, I repeated the process two times, increasing the wax thickness on the lid. The wax was petroleum based and won’t evaporate or deteriorate. When cold, it becomes brittle. That’s why I wanted the threads on the lid and jar clogged.
    All I know are the facts, if you want the truth go next door to the psychology department.f ”

    “Although I am not ready to say the treasure is not in water,…”

    Play on words ~ “truth”, or revealing a “fact”?

      • PD,

        I have never been lead by the poem to be deliberately submerged as well… even thought fenn description of his process is very detailed on securing the jar for any moisture… I often wonder of items that wouldn’t handle long term wetness as well ( submerged). Rope neckless type item maybe, or was wetness / moisture the reason fenn removed the two time pieces?

    • Unless folks start having more water mishaps searching for the treasure, I doubt Forrest will ever clarify whether or not the treasure is hidden “in” water. Personally, I do not think he has to. Putting Indulgence under water in most circumstances within the search area is a sure recipe for disaster. There are those who would argue otherwise and I am fine with that.
      “Although I am not ready to say the treasure is not in water…” pretty much sums it up for me.
      Side note…this spring while on my yearly trek for the treasure I was taking in the wonderful scenery near a small waterfall and pool area and noticed some flippers hidden in the brush. I pulled them out and took a picture of them near the pooled water on a rock just for giggles. And yeah, I toted them out of there to keep this nice area free of trash….

      • LoL, maybe fenn left them there after the second trip in case he wanted to go back, or for the finder to use to fish the chest out… dang Ken, you might have ruined the whole chase for us all…

        At least I have someone to blame now, if I don’t find the chest…ha!

        • Yeah Seeker…fenn left them there to put on before he threw himself on the treasure so the finder would get a real good scare seeing his bones with some flippers on…not.
          These particular flippers were adjusted for some fairly small feet…could be another clue there.

      • Ken – I agree that the likelihood of the chest sitting in water is not very plausible there are quite a number of searchers that would beg to differ. To all the searchers that feel that the chest is in water, how do you justify the following statements by f? Remember that f has told us to use logic by thinking, imagination, and not to go to dangerous places where a 79 or 80 year old man could not hide the chest.

        In a reply to a question about the elements, f stated that the chest could be scorched in a forest fire. If anyone thinks it’s in water then how do you reason or use logic to justify that? He also said that it’s probably wet by now. If F tells the truth like we believe he does then he would have said it’s wet. If he did choose a water source to hide the chest he is risking that it will never be found. Water sources can dry up, change course, or silt in. I just don’t see any reasonable explanation as to why it would be sitting in water. Also keep in mind that if he said he wanted his fling himself upon the chest and let his bones rot in the sun how. How would he be able to do that in water. The current would carry him away. If anyone can enlighten me, I’m willing to listen.

        • Even tho I am not sure my tell is in water or not..
          Fire scorching the water hot…

          of coarse it is probably wet by now…. if he said it is in water or not he would narrow the search of the rockies and everyone would follow the river systems

          yes water sources could dry up thus a forest fire could happen to it.. and silt over up… but in the beginning he said, he don’t care if its found now or a 1000 years from now

          the chest is made of bronze and bronze don’t rust

          throwing himself on the chest in a beautiful place that is special to him … after he is deceased..God bless his soul… I don’t think he cares if his bones are gone.. His spirit is there…

          But that is my 2 cents…… Arrrgghhh Matey !!!

  92. No matter how hard I try, I just cannot bring myself to believe that f would have taken such a wonderous chest, filled it with such wonderful treasures, and then take it and submerge it underwater.

    To me, that would be the most atrocious thing anyone could do.

    Did I really just say that ?

      • And we three can agree to disagree.

        “As I went alone IN there…” “There’ll be no paddle up your creek, JUST heavy loads and water high.”

        To me these two lines point to IT being in the creek.

        We shall see Sunday.

        Good luck guys – and TRY to STAY SAFE. JDA

        • I think it’s wonderful to be able to discuss our thoughts with each other, whether they’re in agreement with our own or not. There was a time I felt it was in water and my son went in with waders so that I wouldn’t have to. I would have, but his were much too long for me. No chest, but wonderful memories and a photo to giggle over. 🙂

      • Hey pdenver, I also agree it is not hidden in water, I also know two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead. ; )

  93. Although I think that ‘something’ is submerged, i also can’t see it being the actual treasure.

    Not by a long shot!

    • SL;

      If you are implying that there is a “substitute TC in place of the REAL one, please read the following from the “Cheat Sheet” above.

      ♦ “I said on the Today show that the treasure is not associated with any structure. Some people say I have a desire to mislead. That is not true. There are no notes to be found or safety deposit boxes to be searched. The clues can lead you to the treasure, and it will be there waiting when you arrive.”

      I believe Forrest. JDA

    • SL –

      There is something submurged all along the way………sometimes it’s under water and sometimes it’s not. Just my very humble opinion…….

      • into,

        I agree with your opinion. I would add that a ‘total’ submergence for any length of time, especially if children are involved/present, would not be prudent. Forrest, IMHO, is far too wise to even entertain the thought.

        Additionally, should the use of a “flashlight” be an indication of a possible evening involvement to the Solve, environmental issues ‘could’ be of concern.

        Moving forward…..entertaining the thought of a Merry-Go-Round in fact/ theory; might really add further excitement!

        SL

        • SL –

          I was referring to something that runs along side the treasure. It’s heavy loads. I do believe that FF would never place Indulgence in harms way…. and water is indeed be unpredictable and certainly in harms way. From the spot – I think one can hear water…………..

          • SL
            I’m going to throw this out and see where it lands, JDA also for you. Why can’t the TC be in a location where (heavy loads) would be rock,stone or a large hill of sand or land fill. The TC was place and covered (not buried) with any of the above and it was dry when Forrest hid the TC. Then it rained (water high) and the TC did in fact take on some water but noway to be submerged just enough to get it wet. After that happened the TC would all most always have humidity inside the bronze box if for no reason other than temperature change or more rain.
            Just another way of looking at heavy loads and water high…
            Timothy…IMHO

            Be safe and good luck with your searches

          • into,

            I do conquer with your comment about “something that runs along side the treasure.” Yep!

            I’m still not sure about “heavy loads and water high.” (Could “heavy loads” indicate water being carried in…buckets/water pails, and “water high” meaning that the bucket/pail is full to the top?)

            SL

          • SL –

            No, it’s not water in a bucket lol —-I know your just trying to get me to say it. I’ll give a hint – it can be found on a map.

          • Timothy;

            Anything is possible, but where in the poem are there lines that lead to your way of thinking? I do not see them.

            Line one, stanza 1 says, “As I went alone IN there…” This leads me to believe that you have to go IN somewhere to find the treasure. “In there” could be IN a particular area, IN a National Forest, IN a grove of pines, or IN a stream or creek. IN, almost anywhere. Other clues in the poem need to be found. IMO

            “There’ll be no paddle up your creek, JUST heavy loads and water high.” To me JUST means ONLY.
            Therefore, there will be no paddle up your creek, the ONLY think that will be up your creek will be “Heavy loads and water high”.

            If you consider that a 42 Lb. chest would be “heavy Loads” to an 80 years old man….Forrest is saying that the ONLY thing up your creek will be the chest of gold AND waters high – YOUR CREEK!

            Therefore, to me, the ONLY thing that will be IN your creek, will be the TC and the waters of y our creek!

            This is why I personally think the chest is “IN” water. JDA

        • Maybe the use of a flashlight would be helpful because the blaze is shaded. Therefore, it would not be necessary, but maybe helpful.

          • JBL,

            Shade could be a part of it, but, I’m still in the “evening” a long with ‘reflection’ camp.

            SL

          • JDA ,

            I’m not going to tell you how to conduct your research or anything but, I have a question.

            If I am a kid from Slapout, Alabama, 500 years into the future, and I run across a copy of f’s poem in an old tobacco pouch out in the barn, along with a scribbled note from one of my gggrandpas , and all that note says is that this is a map to a treasure that’s hidden in the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe,NM, and that note says nothing about who penned the poem, and doesn’t mention TTOTC . . .

            How would I come to think that “heavy loads” would be describing a chest and treasure that weighs in excess of 40 pounds?

          • RT;

            Considering technology of today, I can not help but think that 500 or 1000 years from now holographic imaging, or something much more advanced will exist, that will include the poem, the books, and every possible interview and published work on the chase, along with analytical programs that will be at the disposal of grandpa.

            If I can say, Heavy loads = a 42 lb TC, so can grandpa…and so can you, if you open your mind to the idea. Just a thought. JDA

  94. I honestly am starting to really believe that there is coordinates encoded in the poem itself and I’ve also noticed some peculiarity and patterns in some of the things F says and in his poem but I think I’m gonna need help from a pro code breaker to decypher these findings.

    • Interesting approach Jeremy, I myself tried that route a couple years back. Some interesting trends in the data, when using cryptography to cypher the poem, but nothing concrete enough for me to continue on that path. Best of luck, I hope you fair better than me in your quest.

      TSHB

    • You’re correct, Jeremy. What I will say is that I’ve learned coordinates will get you to vital places, but they won’t get you the treasure per se. I’ve just got back from my final search (sans Indulgence), because I ran out of time. It’s too expensive and stressful for me to keep searching from an ocean away.

      What I learned on this trip, combined with previous expeditions would not be believed by most on here, and although I would like to share, there are probably too many undeserving lurkers. This Chase is much bigger than even I imagined (and I’m a big picture believer). I don’t think anyone can solve it without firmly nailing every single clue. But wait, there’s more! If you successfully applied imagination at the beginning, you’re going to have to do it all over again at the end. I firmly believe that I now know where it is – within a few hundred yards, (it finally dawned on me as I was sitting in the airport awaiting departure), but I would expect that you will need all the knowledge gained on the chase to know how to retrieve it. I doubt I’ll ever be back there, but if I did, I would allow a couple of weeks just for the final stage.

      This trip was a real eye opener. I went into it believing that all I had to do was follow the coordinates and all would be revealed. Not so. There was confirmation of sorts that I’d reached the correct spot. Without the coordinates I would have had no clue whatsoever. But where was the chest? Years of work and still nothing. It took a day of flailing around hopelessly before I took a step back and realised what had to be done. FFS alluded to this himself a few weeks ago. And all the mirror and twin aficionados should be listened to – they speak wisely.

      Forrest’s comment that this can’t be done on a Sunday afternoon school break (or something like that) is the understatement of the decade. I’ve spent a small fortune searching and driven my wife to tears with this, and I’ve learned just how colossal the task is. If you think that you can pick a WWH, drive a few miles and walk a couple more to get a million bucks, think again!

      I’ve kept FF informed of my progress over the last couple of years. He has never communicated back directly, but there have been some coincidental postings by him that indicated to me (possibly erroneously) that he understood the stumbling progress I was making. The latest surprise was Scrapbook 158 that came a day or two after I’d told him what I’d found at the second set of coordinates, and whether it meant the chest had been found and substituted with a marbled stone, carefully positioned on a semi-submerged log in a fen. That Scrapbook entry told me definitively that it was necessary to do yet more work, and was the spur to my next discovery. Most here will dismiss this as confirmation bias etc., but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the coordinates will get you 90% of the way there.

      Of course, this is just an opinion, yada yada, but there’s a goldmine that awaits those who start to rethink. If you don’t believe me, ask Forrest!

      Good luck to all.

      • Darn – I was in high hopes – you would find it – pops.

        The manner in which you state your solve – I agree with.
        The only difference would be – there is no marble stone in my solve – instead – something you would have to get aboard in your imagination.

        I’m sorry you are not going to publish your solve – I would be looking forward to that. The lurkers, do not deserve win. Ha Ha.

        I didn’t realize you were coming from afar – mind telling us where?

        • Thanks for the commiserations, into. Although not all will be revealed, I will attempt to write a report that will delve into some of my methodology. Watch this space, as they say…

          I’m living in beautiful but very soggy Wales. Funnily enough, the “wet” theme became a big part of my last search.

          • voxpops –

            Wales ! My gosh that is far — I’ve never been there……..the home of Richard Burton. You are brave indeed to come all that way – into the unknown wilds of this country. Can’t wait for your report. Thanks !

      • voxpops ,

        I have enjoyed reading all about your chase but, I too will have to realize that there comes a time when life must go on.

        I admire your perseverance throughout all of it.

        But, before you hang up your spurs for good, I have a question. Your answer may or may not help you in some way. I am in no way trying to work my way into your solution, as I will never search anywhere other than where I am currently invested.

        Keep in mind that your answer needs to be exact.

        When you look at, or now in hindsight, think about the stone you found, what color comes to mind? What color would best describe it?

        I will follow up, once you have answered, if you choose to do so.

        • RT,

          Slightly off topic…

          You said there’s come a time when life must go on. I don’t understand why folks feel this way. The concept of the thrill of the chase seems to be a life long experience, a love for exploring, to find those paths less traveled.

          Why are so many in such a hurry to spend thousands of hours in research, spend thousands of $ on guess work, become consumed and obsessed that the can’t function life and the chase both.

          There is always a balance needed in every part of life… fenn may have given everyone the same opportunity… but each must balance out our own.

          More here should take a lesson from Dal, and Jenny. They seem to have a good balance on their passion and life, and pay less attention to the type that ignores family, borrow search money, worry about the spouse may divorce them because of the lure of gold.

          Fenn dedicated many years developing the challenge… but seemingly did it balancing life with family, and friends.

          Imo. Folks seem to forget the reason fenn started this challenge.

          • Seeker ,

            I guess what I meant was, I don’t plan to spend the rest of my life searching for f’s treasure.

            It costs money and time to travel the distance I must travel to get to my search area. There are numerous places right here at home that I still plan to explore. My state is abundantly rich in treasures of it’s own, without me having to travel great distances and spend large sums of money doing so, to experience the thrill of seeing new landscapes.

            I am chasing f’s treasure for one reason. To find the chest. I am not chasing it just to experience nature. I can do that right here.

            1) I don’t ignore family. Family has gone with me on every search.
            2) I’ve never borrowed search money from anyone. The closest I have came to doing that is to borrow money from myself.
            3) I need not worry about divorce. I solved that puzzle years ago.

            Hopefully this answers your inquiry.

          • RT,

            My comment was generic.

            Many have said similar comments over the years… I just never understood why bother if one can’t balance life, family income, etc. Everything thing we do in life revolves around everything else.

      • Vox you should send your story to Dal along with some pictures, I’m sure it would make a great addition to the Other’s Adventures page.

        If someone else finds it using your solution maybe they would share with you, if not at least you will get the credit for solving the poem.

        • Seeker ,

          And just to clarify, I have traveled this great country of ours from east to west and north to south, many, many, many times.

          There is not one single place in this country that makes me want to say “Oh I wish I could go there before the sands run out”. I have been everywhere in the U.S. that I have ever wanted to go.

          The only place left that I truly wanted to visit would be Egypt. And I don’t see that ever happening, with the world being in the state it is currently in.

          And, above all else, the ultimate quest for me is to achieve the personal satisfaction of being that redneck from Bama who eventually solved one of the greatest mysteries of our time.

          I guess it comes down to being an ego thing.

          • Hi Into: to answer your question for RT, the name “ROLL TIDE” should tell you what ‘bama is short for — assuming you are familiar with college football.

        • Hi Goofy: one downside to that scenario is if a searcher (let’s call them Skippy) has an independent solve that happens to include 2 or 3 early elements of Voxpops’ solve, but also many more that Voxpops’ does not. Suppose Skippy finally figures the whole thing out and retrieves the chest. People might erroneously charge that Skippy used Voxpops’ solution to come up with his own, and that Skippy “owed” something to Vox. Sure, Skippy might be a nice guy and throw Vox a bone for being “close” (particularly if he was the only other searcher who was), but under the circumstances he shouldn’t really feel obligated to do so.

        • Seeker ,

          My life is totally balanced. I worked hard to get to where I’m at.

          Everything I have is paid off. Everything.

          I’m not the dummy next door who’s spent the groceries and half the rent and lacks fourteen dollars havin’ twenty-seven cents.

          I am retired. I don’t punch no clocks, I ain’t gotta tell the boss to take this job and shove it, and I don’t get outta bed until I feel good and ready to, which is precisely at five-thirty every morning.

          There’s no place I gotta be and no one I gotta see. I pretty much do just whatever it is I want to do. Most mornings, that means settin’ out in the back drinking my one cup of coffee, watching the squirrels court each other while storing pecans up for the winter, all the while keeping a wise eye out for the hawk that occasionally flies in hoping for an easy meal.

          In the evenings, I set and watch the momma dear and her baby who come through, feeding on the nuts and fruits that the squirrels have missed.

          I schedule all of my trips so as not to conflict with activities we are committed to. That includes attending every baseball game and every cheer-leading practice.

          My life is completely balanced and in harmony with those who matter the most to me.

          • P.S. I personally have had five “careers” – Ages 1 – 19 – Growing up and student Ages 20 – 40 USMC, Ages 41-56 IBM Ages 57 – 70 Stone Sculptor and 70 to present Retiree – YEA retirement!

          • Hey JDA… If you were to characterize each of your 5 “careers” with a famous novel (or maybe a piece of art) , what would you choose?
            OS2

          • OS2;

            Each has been so unique, I would hate to even try to think about it.

            Childhood was abusive and brutal.
            USMC – I survived – YEA
            IBM – very challenging
            Stone Sculptor – Very rewarding
            Retirement – THE CHASE – “Little Jerry gets to run and play.” JDA

          • Sorry JDA & Goofy, Neither meant to pry into painful things nor go off track. Simply imagining fun comparisons to Fenn’s challenges & responses in constructing IMPORTANT LITERATURE.

          • I’ll repeat again. My comment was generic. It was your comment to Vox, that simply brought it to thought.
            YOU, seem to have a good perspective on balancing life and emotions. So if you felt I was imply you personally… that was not my intent.

        • Goofy, I will definitely send Dal a report, but it will not reveal the solution. Some people may put this down to arrogance, and I understand and really don’t mind, but because my work over the past two years has been predicated on something unique that (surprisingly) has never been discussed here, to my knowledge, it would give every searcher and lurker who learns it such an enormous advantage that it could take away a lot of the thrill.

          Also, as I’ve said before, all my more recent work has been building on the same (rock solid, IMO) foundation. I have never needed to rethink WWWH or HOB. Once the blaze was firmly established, that too has remained the same. It has been a process of addition and refinement. Yes, I have sometimes had to backtrack if I’ve taken a wrong turn, but the fundamentals are constant. My final search has taken me 90% of the way there, in my estimation, and my extrapolations from that to around 99%. That may sound ludicrous and self-deluding, but I am able to measure the progress against something that now exists in my mind as an unerasable image.

          This last search left me cursing Forrest on occasion. It didn’t help that I was unexpectedly trawling through mud and slime (unnecessarily as I eventually discovered) while trying to nurse a vicious cold, but beyond that, there was the mental assault that comes when you learn that what you thought was the end was only the beginning of the end! How did I know that? I will allude to the answer in my report.

      • Voxpops,
        You have always been one of the top rated searchers to me. I am sure your story of your wife rings loud and clear in many searchers minds.

        Not only searchers but armchair searchers or blog enthusiasts must also take note. It is not only the time and money spent searching but the amount of time invested in blogging and chatting and providing opinions when they could be with family is also a warning sign.

        Your story may be similar to mine, I find it helpful to search and put it behind me and move on with life. Communications with Mr. Fenn can definitely lead to confirmation bias. Consider how many others have given communications within the last couple of days and I am sure they are going through the same thought process, only they don’t think it is Voxpox he is talking to.

        Sometimes we want to believe in our selves so much and the pain of admitting we are wrong is so great, that our subconscious mind desperately twists the facts to match “our truth.” Very dangerous and a sign to walk away.

        From one vet to another…

        • I appreciate your comments very much, Wolf. There is always a time to walk away, and I have reached that. Maybe in a couple of years, if no one else has claimed the prize, I might reconsider, but for now, once I’ve filed my report with Dal, I must get on with more mundane matters, and devote more time to the people I care about.

          Guarding against confirmation bias is important, and it’s easy to think you’re the only one out there when you’re engaged in a solo pursuit. I’m going to try to come up with a way of explaining some of my “confirmations,” without giving away the details, when I write to Dal.

          Good luck to you.

      • Hey Vox pops
        I’m sorry things finished out that way for you and your wife. I hope your not giving up but I am the first to say that my wife is my number 1 decision on if I will continue and she is still on my side but there was a time while she was in a hospital in one of the states when I kept telling myself that I can’t lose my most dearest treasure just for a box of history. She knows that I have been trained not to quite anything but to stride forward until the end. With her understanding, I’m still here. If this is taking toll on your wife then it is time to step back and look at who or what is the most important thing that you want to live out the rest of your life with. I wish only the best for your wife and you and that some day you two will look back at this as a chance to get closer not further together and laugh together at some of the things that you two done on the searches.
        Stay in touch, you are still a important person to the search community…
        Best of luck in your 2’s future and May God Bless your way from here to the end….
        Timothy…IMHO

        • Timothy, your words truly mean a lot to me, and I thank you for them.

          It was during this last week, as I was (literally) bogged down, that FF published his archived picture of the chest. When I was back in the motel and saw it, it just looked like a box of old metal odds and ends to me. I mean no disrespect to Forrest saying this, but when I thought of my amazing wife worrying and waiting for me from 5000 miles away, there was no contest in my mind, and it made me seriously question what I was doing.

          I would like to provide my wife with a more comfortable retirement, and put something back into the community, but that is where the allure of the gold ends. For me, as for many, the thrill of the chase is in the mental challenge. One of the reasons I have decided not to publish my solution is so that it won’t diminish that challenge for anyone else. That can be as addictive as the love of shiny things, but at least it’s a bulwark against dementia!

          The very best to you and your family.

        • Voxpops: you sound like a chap I would enjoy sharing a pint with (not least because I’m part Welsh) and I would not be surprised if you’ve got some of Fenn’s puzzle correctly solved based on your posts (minus the swampy bits!) Great confidence making that long trek across the Pond and most of the new world!

          • Hi Zaphod, I’ll certainly buy you a pint if you ever make it over here. My “local” is the Cann Office Hotel (AD1310).

            I’m not even part Welsh, to my knowledge, but I was in England until eleven years ago, when I moved with my wife to Oregon to be close to her family. I did most of my searching from there, but moved back to the UK right in the middle of the most critical part of my search.

            As for the swampy bits, don’t dismiss them too readily – the poem reveals more than one! But I don’t expect the chest to be under water – but very close to it…

          • Hear me all, I was NOT searching in New Mexico. That may sound like an evasive answer, but I am a “big picture” believer!

        • Vox — you bring up an interesting question. If/when someone finds Indulgence, would everyone really want to know the solution? I’m sure there are plenty who would, but perhaps equally many who have invested thousands of hours into the intellectual challenge and would be robbed of the pleasure of solving it for themselves. Perhaps a compromise would be for the eventual finder to leave a token portion of the treasure chest’s contents behind for a second person to find, while keeping his or her solution secret — at least for a while? That way the Thrill could live on a wee bit longer, albeit more for the intellectual challenge than a big payday.

          • @zaphod73491 – personally, I am in the camp hoping that when it is found that all is made public. I very much want to see this event end so that I can apply my creative energy elsewhere. Unfortunately for me, my focused brain won’t let go of the puzzle until either my brain stops, or the chest is found. Either is fine with me.

    • JDA ,

      Highly advanced civilizations have come to a screeching halt on more than one occasion in the past and we are still trying to understand them.

      • True. When I was a boy, the Rosetta stone had not been found, so the Egyptian hieroglyphs were not understood. The Rosetta stone was found, and today scholars can translate the hieroglyphs perfectly.

        No Rosetta stone, but Spanish Missionaries were able to decode much of the Incan and Myan languages.

        I am sure that whatever we leave behind, scholars in the future will be able to figure out. But what do I know? NADA JDA

  95. IF WWWH, Canyon Down, Home of Brown, Heavy Loads and Water High are in some way combined into a single location area, (As I do believe they are);

    The following image, IMHO, may well aid in the ‘un-locking’ of TTOTC poem and clues located; keeping…. Georgia O’Keefe in mind:

    http://studiozarch.com/portfolio/proj19/cistern3-lg.jpg

    CISTERN…. with waterproof lining. (What else?? !!)

    Why knot give it a chance? (I would if it were possible).

    SL

    • SL;

      I can not agree with your logic. “Begin it where warm waters halt And take it in the canyon down, Not far but too far to walk…” Here Forrest describes a place wwwh. He then says to take it in the canyon down. He then says how far to take it in the canyon down…Not far, but too far to walk.

      If the wwwh, canyon down, and hoB etc are in one place, how is the distance between wwwh and hoB “too far to walk”? Sorry, as Spock would say, “It is just not logical.”

      Just my opinion. Possibly you have a logical answer that I can not see.

      Good luck in your search and TRY to STAY SAFE JDA

      • JDA,
        I might be able to explain WWWH- hoB in proximity to each other. If you read stanza 2 it is saying begin where WWWH and take “it in” the canyon down nfbtftw, “put in” below hoB. To me all of stanza 2 is in the same general area, here’s why. My belief is there are three trails by WWWH and “it” & “put in” being one of them. You’ll need to “put in” the one below the home of Brown. Not far but to far to walk is just telling the distance down that canyon you have to go until you get to the next clue. Bur

        • Bur;

          You may be right about the three trails, but as you say, “Not far but to far to walk is just telling the distance down that canyon you have to go until you get to the next clue.”

          You are saying that you need to travel SOME distance. SL is implying that wwwh, canyon down and hoB are all in the same place.

          You say – “in proximity to each other” then you say, “Not far but to far to walk is just telling the distance down that canyon you have to go until you get to the next clue. ” – the next clue od hoB isn’t it? – are not these two statements contradictory?

          • JDA

            You seem to always have a negative comment about someones solution , or a quick response. Relax my friend everyone is entitled to own opinion.

            Have you located the blaze? I think not.

            Quit Trolling

            Thx

        • JDA,
          Ok I see what your saying. Maybe better said: the WWWH, hoB, and the three trail heads for the canyon(s) down are the clues in proximity in stanza 2. The “not far but to far to walk” is the distance that leads you to the next set of clues in stanza 3. Also the “put in” part is because there is a entrance to that trail below the home of Brown, and the word “below” is crucial in having the right “home of Brown”. The other trails you can just “take” because they are basically out in the open and I believe this is why maybe searchers got two clues and went by the others, because they took one of these trails that lead to yet another canyon down direction. If this helps to explain my first comment. Bur

          • It is clearer, but to me makes no sense. “Begin it where warm waters halt (no comma) and take it in the canyon down, not far but too far to walk.” All one sentence. All one continuing thought.

            Begin your (search, quest, journey) at a place where warm waters halt (no pause, no comma – a continued thought) and take this (search, quest, journey) down a canyon some distance, what is that distance, Not far, but too far to walk. Put in below (some place before you reach) hoB. So how can wwwh, hoB, and the three trail heads for the canyon(s) down are the clues in proximity in stanza 2.

            The three trail heads for the canyons are BETWEEN wwwh and some point before hoB – at least as I and (I think) most people would interpret these lines.

            You appear to be reversing the order of the lines of the poem. You appear to be reading it as, “Begin it where warm waters halt and put in below the home of brown. (Then) Take it in the canyon down, not far but too far to walk.” (sic)

            This is not how Forrest wrote the poem. There is nothing in the punctuation that would lead one to think that this was what he meant.

            Lines one and two are a continuing sentence or thought – NO comma, period or semi colon. Please reconsider how you are reading these lines. It MAY fit your area, but it certainly does not fit the poem – Just my opinion. JDA

          • JDA,
            On another note, after you go down the canyon (distance Forrest said he traveled to secret indulgence) then the clues no paddle up your creek, heavy loads, water high, and blaze are in proximity. So to me you go from one cluster of clues down a trail, nfbtftw, to a tangent trail on the left, then to another cluster of clues. Bur

          • JDA,
            Ok guess your not reading that stanza the way I have read it, but that’s ok. We can go back and forth but my answers will still be the same. So good luck on your trip and maybe after we will chat again after. Bur

          • JDA,
            I posted a reply back but it went to moderation, must hit a wrong key on email address or something. I read this stanza differently, but it’s ok to not see it in the same way. But to me you need to know which canyon down in that sentenance. “Take it” to me is a trail and there just happens to be three trails at my WWH, so that next line in that stanza tells me which trail I need to “put in”. All the poem clues I have found for my solve, just like you and others, I just have not had the chance to act on them (I’m over 1600 miles away as the crow flies and time and money is not on my side right now). I have been doing this chase for guite some time and have learn to be open minded on all I do, and I occasionally like to share some of my ideas whether or not other chasers agree or disagree. So to me it is all just food for thought to those who wish to consider it.
            Good luck on your search, and maybe we can chat more after. Bur

          • One of the wonders of this search is that we each can interpret any word, line or sentence as we choose.

            YEA for you for your willingness to look at it in a bit of a different light.

            Good luck. I hope that you find all that you seek. and TRY to STAY SAFE JDA

    • Thank you for sharing this very intriguing photograph and accompanying thought process SL. Perhaps this idea is more logical than it appears on the surface and indeed there is a key to the puzzle here.

      • JDA ,

        I read Marvin Candle’s proposed solution in it’s entirety. Fascinating, but left a few unanswered questions.

        Above, you state ” This is not how Forrest wrote the poem”.

        Personally, I don’t see how any one of us can make a statement like that. How do you, or even I, know with certainty, how f “wrote the poem” until the poem has been correctly solved and the chest retrieved ?

        As far as punctuation is considered, how do any of us know what he also had in mind there, either? Punctuation has been discussed here more than a few times already. And I for one, can imagine how it might factor in.

        There have been numerous things f has said that contains no punctuation at all, where there should have been, if we are thinking we should follow proper grammar and writing techniques.

        So, I’ve learned to not “assume” that I automatically know what f has in mind when he types anything.

        Since this all comes down to a matter of interpretation and perception on the parts of each of us, then all ideas might need to be considered. Unless they are so outrageous that they go directly against common logic as to what an eighty-year-old man was capable of doing.

        I’ve actually interpreted the poem from at least three different angles.

        One of those angles follows this line of thinking . . .

        “Begin it where warm waters halt
        And take it in the canyon down,
        Not far, but too far to walk.
        Put in below the home of Brown.”

        Now, I can read that as saying that I should take it in the canyon down, or, I can read that as saying that the “warm waters” take it in the canyon down.

        I can also read “Not far, but too far to walk” as the distance I must travel before I reach “where warm waters halt”. And if I read it that way, then I must “Put in below the home of Brown” at that point. To me, the period (.) after walk, would indicate that the walking has nothing to do with travelling further down into a canyon to reach the “home of Brown”.

        But, even if I read the first three lines of that stanza in the most commonly-accepted interpretation, I can still see how “Put in below the home of Brown” could be saying something like “Oh, and put in below the home of Brown while you are there.

        I’m not claiming that any of what I say is correct. I’m simply offering different ways to look at things.

        I cannot say with any certainty what-so-ever, that f wrote the poem “this way” or “that way”.

        • ROLLTIDE,

          The wisdom of your words…. IMHO, may well be acknowledged and appreciated by many who identify with a unique journey towards the beauty and depth that truly define…. individualistic “interpretation and perception.”

          Not known for my skills in the department of….. “punctuation”, and unlike so many here; of their proper placements, it’s the humility of people like yourself and Forrest Finn that help make TTOTC a treasure all by itself.

          Thank you,

          SL

          • SL ,

            That was very kind of you. Thank you so much.

            In the words of Mr. Fenn : “No time spent in thought is wasted and nothing is too small to know, so one should not let knowing a little bit be a substitute for learning more.”

            I get the impression that you understand and appreciate that.

            Have a wonderful day.

        • Forrest wrote the poem the way that it was published, and the way that he has read it on many occasions. How we interpret it is something else, and we are each entitled to our own interpretations…even me. JDA

        • Roll Tide…I think I see your permutation point(s)…I think I would be tired too after carrying my canoe and 20 pounds of contents down into a canyon to PUT IN…If the water flows a certain direction I may quickly float again past my starting point WWWH (see my recent post about Trout Unlimited definition of warm waters). The trout are big here because the water is warm downstream here but cold upstream. In fact this water may not have a cool zone at all but go straight from cold to warm. Since I just PUT IN, I had better not be meek about getting to that place where I can’t paddle up my creek. I am in the water to take an alternative shorter route because it is too far to walk otherwise (especially carrying these heavy loads).

    • SL..I don’t understand your statement “I would if it were possible”. Are you unable to physically search? Care to elaborate? Sorry and please ignore me if I’m being too nosy…

  96. Such a beautiful, magical and special place. “Not far, but too far to walk”……a given. Best understood when the * location is found. ( I might laugh a long with Forrest; as It is kinda funny!

    Why Knot give it a chance?

    SL

    SL

  97. JDA…another consideration. Do you remember the story in TFTW when FF and his buddy shot a mountain lion from the canyon rim? FF jumped from the canyon rim onto a tree (really?) and used the tree to quickly enter the bottom of the canyon. He fetched his “bounty” but could not return to the canyon rim the same way he entered. He gives some pretty specific distances in that story. Point being, there is more than one way down a canyon. The distance as the crow flies may be short, but the distance needed to be traveled may be much further due to terrain characteristics. Unless you are willing to jump.

    • Aren’t we all taking that “Leap of Faith?” Hoping that our interpretation of all of the clues is the right one.

      How far is “Not far, but too far to walk?” To my wife that just had a knee replaced, not far at all. To a marathon runner, a bit more than I could walk.

      Forrest gave a pretty good description in his preface to TFTW – about 10 miles. I will take him at his word.

      Good luck, and watch out for that first step – it could be a doozie. JDA

    • SandyB,

      Your explanation is great to see how Not far, can be far in perspective of, seeing a place or point, and getting to the same place or point. This is why I consider no real measurable distance is needed to be known. This part of stanza 1 might simply be line of sight.
      So, a hypothetical scenario comes to mind. Lets say clue 1 n 2 are wwwh and canyon down, and say liquid [ for warm ] waters halt [ for change in direction ] run over the canyon rim down… not far down, but a long way around to get to the bottom by trail.

      Do we need to go there? or is it simply where we start and what we see at the starting point?

      The poem then states “put in” somewhere. The question become where is that somewhere? and “from there” [ the starting point ] is not down for a searcher, but behind? Has anyone ever turned around? Is hoB the place we see from the vantage ] below starting point, and that is the indicator of the correct location and “from there’ at that vantage point we need to turn half circle [ ; ]
      Or can the vantage point have hoB behind us? and the poem is saying the starting point puts in below hoB.

      Maybe, Just maybe, this is why searchers “can not get closer” than the first two clues… they might be in the correct location of the chest.

      Just a banana for stomping on.

      • Seeker and Sandy B

        I believe what Seeker said “This is why I consider no real measurable distance is needed to be known. This part of stanza 1 might simply be line of sight.”

        I reminds me of the photo on the dust cover and page 58 of The Thrill of the Chase where he is gazing out across the Rockies.

        How far is it to the chest?

  98. All,

    I don’t believe this will be a revelation to many so I’ll share it.

    First look up the meaning of the word hint:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=hint+syn…kid=sp-006

    A couple of synonyms that stand out are; suggestion, indicator, sign, signal and pointer. Is it possible that hint is synonymous with what Forrest considers the blaze? Look at the line “And hint of riches new and old” it may be possible that the word hint is nothing more that a placeholder for what the blaze does, it indicates, points, signs or signals to the searcher the location of riches new and old (the treasure).

    So it may be possible that the first stanza merely tells the reader the following:

    Because (or as) I have gone alone in there I CAN keep my secret and signal where I left my trove.

    If this theory proves accurate, then there is no information in this stanza that gets a searcher “closer” to the treasure. I look forward to your “constructive criticism”.

    LitterateOne

  99. So I’m working the graveyard shift again… that means slow time at work to examine the poem. I would like to hear from those who, like me, believe that the poem is a puzzle. In taking this approach i believe that I have an exact canyon name. This is still a solve that is in it’s early stages, and I’m pretty new to the chase overall anyway. But here is the question, to those that believe that it is possible that “the blaze” may be in the poem itself:

    Have any of you ever considered that “the blaze” could be the 3rd line in stanza 6?
    “If you are brave and in the wood”

    Here is the thinking behind it… (I’ll try as best I can to explain) Stanza 4 line 1&2
    “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, Look quickly down, your quest to cease,”
    If you look quickly down in the poem from the line that I have questioned to possibly be the blaze then your quest would cease there because “I give you title to the gold” so the quest is done at that point.

    I don’t know how well I have explained that here but as usual I can’t wait for feedback.
    Happy Hunting!

  100. hi i am not posting much because hubby has had some health issue preventing us from searching this year and we have taken in a little 4 1/2 yr old girl who is effecting our finances lol

    i did take a trip to Palo Duro Canyon in Canyon TX near Amarillo TX. in late Sept. which reinforced part of our solve.

    i hope i can explain this where it makes sense. we think the blaze is a mountain peak that is not visible while walking in our canyon until you get to a certain spot and then BOOM you can see the peak PEEKING over the rim of canyon. now you look down. BOOM you have found TC. that is our hope and thoughts on the blaze.

    here is an example explaining why we think this.

    while we were in PDC you could not see much past the rim of canyon because the area is mountainless and FLAT so i had to find another source to do my testing.

    there are areas within the canyon that while walking or driving an inner rock formation or inner ridge would block your view of the outer rim or another formation in the distant until you turn a corner or just walked a few feet. i tested our theory in several places & found that an inner rim or peak could block peaks, rock formations, the outer rim, etc until you reached a certain point.

    if my description fails to get my idea across think of walking in a city with tall building as you walk down the sidewalk a shorter building can block or obstruct a taller structure or building until you get to a certain spot.

    we believe this might be the blaze which unlike a tree would last a 10,000 year & more.

    somewhere Mr Fenn said you could remove the blaze but wasn’t feasible and said he thought about rockslides, mudslides, and earthquakes.

    i don’t know if we are right but a mountain peak being the blaze but it fits our solve and wouldn’t disappear anytime soon

    it’s the only blaze we can find that makes sense to us. we have no idea if we are right until we search our area again.

    we have posted this idea before without being able to describe our theory very well we hope this is easier to understand and might help someone find the TC.

    we hope if we are wrong someone will find the TC before we spend anymore cash on searches that could prove to be failures lol

    good luck hunting, have fun, stay safe.

  101. Sounds pretty good Wildbird. Hope it works out, and hubby & you can get back to it soon. I admire your effort in spite of the obstacles you’ve had.

  102. we dont see them as obstacles or roadblocks just life happening lol hope you & all the bloggers are doing well. i dont try to post unless i really have something to add.

    so much has been hashed & rehashed. i find if i leave it alone for a while and come back i find things to reenforce our solve. this time around i found some thing that finally explain high water to us that fits our solve. we had ideas like the phrase tall drink of water Fenn is tall and so while hiking him drinking lots of water
    well night night

    • Searchers…note comments from trophychaser in reviews of the blaze orange product above concerning marking “special locations” and “down in canyons”.

  103. Need some feedback… Could the blaze be a budda or hindu statue??.. i found one.. i remember he talked about the india girl that wanted to find the treasure but couldn’t make it to the usa…What do you think?

    • 1idwillhe;

      The blase could be anything. Will it pass the 1,000 or 10,000 year test? What is it made of? How big is it?

      My personal guess would be that it would not pass the test unless it too is made of bronze, like the chest..

      Forrest has made no reference to any such thing – He seems more interested in Native American cultural items.

      Just my opinion – but what do I know? NADA JDA

  104. Anyone interested in my photos of the Blaze and the Tarry Scant, send me your email address and I will send you a pdf file. It also includes my solution to all the clues. In my solution the treasure is in a river and I do not have the resources to continue searching.
    Send that email to kdkkovach@gmail.com

  105. What do they do after they lose a football game.
    They pour over film.
    Play, pause, reverse, play, pause, reverse, over & over & over again.

    That’s what I’ve been doing for many months now.

    I noticed a rock face that must have been created naturally by shear.
    The face of the rock/ledge is in the silhouette of an owl with eyes & at least one pointed ear from the angle I shot the video.

    It’s exactly where I thought the treasure may be for months.
    How did I miss it when I was there?

    Maybe it’s just an allusion created by the angle & light of the video footage.
    There’s only one way to know for sure.

    Great Christmas gift whether it’s there or not.
    Back to Montana when the weather & conditions are nice.

        • Yes, I agree, but I do not think that that is the area Forrest had in mind. Just my opinion. JDA

      • One of the problems I have is that I thought there were no hints in the poem, just clues. But “wise” would have to be a hint pointing towards an owl (blaze) unless that whole line is a clue.

        F did say “blaze” is one of the clues, didn’t he?

    • My line of thinking was only 9 clues but it seems there are hints as well just like the books that will help you with the clues.

      I know this is all speculation but your effort will be worth the cold may be a hint if it’s not a clue.

      Yea, I see hints now.

  106. It is hard to tell what is a hint. But I do think you’re right Jake, “your effort will be worth the cold” is most likely a hint.

          • I do see hints there Oz10,
            Warm waters were too expensive there so he had to find another warm waters to bath.

            The Madison or Firehole were free to wash ones self.
            I don’t think the railcar holds any hint or clue.

            The major hint to me is Yellowstone but I don’t think the treasure is located in this area but may be north in the Madison’s.

            Leftover eggnog tastes funky.

        • Don’t drink it, rotten eggs will sicken you. I still have about a quarter bottle of ‘coquito’ for this weekend. Basically the same as eggnog with lots of Bacardi and cinnamon.

          The madison river around Ennis?

          • Good advice, Thanks,
            I was thinking the Madison just a little East of West Yellowstone.
            Only about a mile to hop in the Madison, unfortunately the water will be cold most of the year.

            I could never find anything in the poem to lead me to Ennis although I did do a ton of research along the whole river all the way up to 3 Forks.

          • There has been chatter about Ennis around some blogs.
            One mile east of west Yellowstone is where you think warm waters halt? I had wondered if I were to ask the locals what spots have the warmest waters along the firehole/madison rivers but away from the tourist areas (secluded), which will they recommend? There must be certain areas where all the conditions are just right but as you travel farther away maybe not so much cause water gets too cold again. I believe those factors were important to young forrest.

          • Actually, my WWWH is located in the Firehole River very close to Ojo Caliente. I can tell you from experience that the water in the Firehole next to Ojo is warm & actually hot right near the outlet & when you go down stream the water gets cold.

            That was in October anyway & I imagine the Firehole is warmer in the summer.

            I also read somewhere that the Firehole is about 10 deg warmer today than 50-60 years ago. I forget the exact years.

          • OZ10;

            Aren’t you looking for a place “Where warm waters HALT” – not a place where they are still warm – maybe it is best if they DO cool off. Just another way of looking at then same old picture. JDA

          • JDA, that will be another way of looking at it. Do you have the specific spot where warm HALTS one way or another? Does warm halts when it cools down or when it boils? It’s still warm water in each case but some may say that it actually halts when it freezes or evaporates. That is the whole question about that line, it is just not specific enough to find a location. 6 words where 4 could be used as verbs makes it even more suspicious to me that further deciphering is needed than to just take it at face value.

          • OZ10;

            No I do not have an exact spot. Since I am not familiar with the Firehole and the Madison, let me use a hypothetical. Let’s say that “Tepid Stream” meets “Big River”.

            “Tepid Stream” started at a geyser pool. as it flowed towards the “Big River” it begins to cool. “Big River” is fed by several streams that are glacier fed, and thus much cooler than “Tepid Stream”. At the place they converge, the cooler waters of “Big River” cool off the last remaining heat from “Tepid Stream” – At that conversion point, “Tepid Stream” halts in temperature, and in name. At least that is how I look at it. JDA

  107. Interviewer: “Mr Einstein, to what do you attribute your amazing grasp of mathematics and physics?”

    Einstein: “Leftover egg nog.”

    • Next year if I have leftover eggnog, I’m going to add a fresh egg or 2 & make an omelette.

  108. what does the blaze and crushed soda cans have in common? just a question! You have to figure out that in order to get to the right location. I found the answer in a scrapbook IMHO.

  109. I’m going to take a chance and post this before the thread gets closed out.

    As I’ve worked on the poem and followed a route that the poem has taken me on, I have come to an area where I need to find a blaze. I’m pretty certain that I have discovered the blaze, yet still working on proof. When I started the chase, like everyone else, I wondered what the blaze could possibly be. If I am correct about what the blaze actually is, I could not have picked a better blaze, or ever prepared myself for what it might be. It’s just like f to stretch our minds and cause us to THINK. I don’t ever recall any searcher on any blog ever mentioning what I’ve found for a blaze.

    • You right Hma,
      Getting ready for closure.

      Do you really wanna know what the blaze is?
      How come so many think they know what it is sitting at home?

      I will show you what the blaze is.
      Now that’s a hoot!

  110. Jake –

    “How come so many think they know what it is sitting at home?”

    I stated that I’m still working on proof that what I think is the blaze might actually be the blaze. I’m the type of person that needs to have a lot of evidence in order to feel confident so while I feel good, I don’t feel like it’s a solid 10. If I am correct though, it is something we can find at home or with BOTG provided we take F’s advice. What surprises me a little is that F has dished out a lot of good advice and IMO so few follow that advice.

    I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that I think that 98% of the poem can be done at home if chosen.

    • You know, only because I like you & respect you although I criticize everyone including you, I will pass judgment considering as well you are in the right area.

      I’m not sure of 98% and would think it should be lower considering we don’t have the booty.

      Just as you have said earlier “slight error” in any of the clues is not slight.
      If you make one tiny little error anywhere, your solve goes POOF!

      Have a happy 2017 & if you find the wise owl with a grin, you have come full circle.

      • Certainty. My solve “ends” several miles from a world renowned site and to say that a searcher probably couldn’t get within 12 feet without finding the TC does not mean that the TC is visible at 12 feet distance. It has to do with “certainty” acquired by reading about who FF is and what his interests are and a recurring theme throughout the poem. You don’t need to walk miles to get to it from your sedan but you may not be able to walk to it in an afternoon.

        • I’ll have to disagree with your interpretation of “certainty”. IMO, certainty doesn’t come from reading about who f is and what his interests are, that’s still ends up being your opinion.
          Didn’t f say, it’s not who you are it’s who they think you are?
          I suggest that to go with certainty, you must have proof.

  111. Anyone have any thoughts on the blaze being a rift in the ground. I would think it could strongly resemble the blaze on a horse, and quite possibly explain the following:
    Why you must look quickly down
    Why you may notice it if you were w/in 12 feet but not likely if farther away
    Why the treasure would be wet
    How the treasure would be exposed to the elements as well as a fire
    Yet not be likely to be stumbled upon
    And your need for a flashlight

    • HumblePi,

      IMO the whole stanza about the blaze is a huge clue to the name of a specific creek. The next stanza even confirms “… your creek”.

      A creek can’t be easily moved and that is why Forrest responded the way he did when asked about moving it..

      A creek can’t face a certain direction and that is why Forrest made the comment he did about the direction the Blaze faces.

      All in my opinion of course, but I will say I laughed out loud when I came to the realization on what the blaze really is. I was actually giddy.

      The blaze is what a joker might do as a prank. IMO.

      Scott W.

      • Hey Scott, how’s the new year treating you so far?
        I hate to say it.. I think this Q&A [ facing as direction ] is one of those that seemed to be simple question, but yet not well thought out.

        Look up the meaning / usages of face or facing, and compare it carefully. This might be one of those Q&A’s you need the center of the brain for thought.

        Mr. Fenn,
        Which direction does the Blaze face? North, South, East or West? Curious. Foxy

        I didn’t take a radial off of the blaze Foxy. I’m thinking it may not be any of those directions. f

  112. My first

    post went poof: The blaze is not an object it is IMHO a path to the treasure. Look Down and follow this path. Somewhere Forest says is it Not NSEW, and also says it’s not an object. With this being said, it can be a trail to the “look quickly down.”

    • Hi Cholly: the annual February Yosemite firefall is spectacular. Perhaps Yellowstone or other spots in the Rockies have an equivalent ephemeral spectacle. It’s not my blaze, but I can certainly see why someone would love such a thing for a blaze!

  113. My opinion is that the blaze is one of two ways that trails are typically marked in the Rockies: 1.) carving off a section of bark on a tree trunk, or 2.) a colorful geometric placard (diamond, triangle, etc.) nailed to a tree trunk. I’m leaning more towards the former since it is what I more commonly see on trails, and would blend in a bit more with the surrounding environment without causing suspicion in someone who was not specifically looking for the treasure. In my mind, this is the simplest solution, though I’ll admit not anywhere close to being the most imaginative solution posted here!

    The main argument that I have read against the blaze being carved in the bark of a tree is that it would not last for over 100 years. However, I have seen blazes carved into trees by Ute Indians well older than that. I also remember seeing quite a unique blaze in the shape of a woman carved into a tree by some lonely shepherd at the base of Mt. Dana long before Yosemite National Park was founded.

    If what my opinion about the blaze is true, it may also explain Forrest’s reluctance to say whether or not the chest is “buried”. If the blaze is on a tree, it is my guess that the chest is located within a hollow within the same tree’s root system. Such a hollow could potentially fill with residue over time as snow falls and thaws, essentially burying the chest. Forrest may have simply rested the chest in a hollow when he hid it, but he knows that in the passing years it may have become buried.

    This is of course, all guesswork on my part. I think that the nature of the blaze is the only element in the poem that cannot be verified from the comfort of one’s home computer, however I plan to be looking for a marking on a tree with a hollow at its base when I do check my solve once the snows melt… at least for starters!

  114. In my opinion the blaze is / was a plastic tennis ball container
    (3-ball plastic tube) 200 ft into the woods…er “wood” near the
    very weathered skeleton (minus the skull) of a very large animal
    with vertebrae as large as my fist, in a trackless area no more
    than 500 ft from a legal place to park (“put in”). There was NO
    other litter within 50 miles, not a butt or a gum wrapper or a beer
    can! NADA. Also, no tennis courts for ever and a mile.

    Just my opinion from BOTG.
    Did FF play tennis? Does he like rhubarb pie? How long
    does it take for 400″ of snow to melt?

    I can answer one age-old question, however. The wild bear
    does indeed s*** in the woods. Have fun.

  115. I read a comment suggesting that there may be TWO blazes.

    Although I’m skeptical about the actual existence of two blazes as far
    as FF is concerned (mentioned in the poem), I’d like to know about the
    two blazes that anyone believes relate to the poem.

    Please, do tell. Thanks in advance.

    • I think that there are two blazes. One armchair and one botg. Respectively: a red outline of a horses face on rock and a rock formation of a character face. Truth is stranger than fiction and somewhere in between lies imagination.

  116. Hello All
    I just got my kindle e-book published lately entitled “If you have been wise and found the blaze”.
    It is a short e-book published on kindle that offers a new idea on the concept of the “blaze” in Forrest Fenn’s poem. Based on some fascinating historical legends as well as formal trail blazing conventions, the book presents a strong argument on what Forrest Fenn might have had in mind on the word ‘blaze’ when he crafted his poem. Without stating “where” the blaze is , the book argues on “what” the blaze is and as a consequence of that definition in what manner the chest is hidden by Fenn and why. I do hope it could bring some interesting new idea in the search for Forest Fenn’s treasure and the thrill of the chase. For anyone interested it can be seen in the following link in amazon kindle .

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    thanks!
    Jeshurun Clouds

  117. Hi All
    My Kindle e-book on the chase “If you have been wise and found the blaze” which has been added in ‘books by searchers’ section is now also available on Kobo. Interested Kobo readers can check there by the title

    thanks!

    Jeshurun Clouds

  118. I finished reading the journals of Osborne Russell this past weekend. The system of leaving messages, such as at Howell’s Grave, seemed very straightforward to me. Hang in there, sir! Just waiting for these snows to melt. As Russell observed, the rains help to accelerate the thaw.

  119. I believe there are probably at least two blazes. Using general trail marking, one would mark where the path to the treasure is off the park trail. The other would be an end of trail blaze marking the location of the treasure. I have a feeling it is less than a 10th of a mile off the actual path.

  120. It appears that Fenn’s latest about finding the blaze…implies that if you have found it you will have found the treasure…but in order to find the blaze one must start at the first clue and follow the rest of the clues.
    He warns that there are billions of blazes out there.
    This is at the fourth stanza in the poem !? HMMMM…

    • I meant to ask…Does this mean that a searcher needs less than eight clues to get to this point? Or…does this suggest that one should read the poem in an unorthodox order? Does this exclude later stanzas as containing clues?

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