In the Wood…Part Two


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This is the place to discuss the phrase in Forrest’s poem that reads: “in the wood”. Is it a cryptic clue or simply referring to the outdoors or the woods? What are your thoughts?


649 thoughts on “In the Wood…Part Two

    • Hello Joey Davis. With one of my solves, I agree that it would be an unmarked trail through the woods. Another solve, I’m in a meadow, surrounded by trees. Lastly, there’s shrubs around me and trees were there. For me, to pinpoint which, has been a bit difficult.

      • I know how you feel, I’m surrounded by a treasure chest. The darn thing is always in the way….lol imho

          • I’m sure this has been mentioned but the brave part is the question the wood part is the box that the treasure lies in that’s my two cents the cold water blankets the Rockies so the safe place is home good day to all be safe.

  1. “In the wood” can also mean in the Wood River. I’m sure I’m not the first to be aware of this.

    • Hey Zap
      With 100,000 people out there and snooping in the blogs I’m sure non of us are the 1st to think of “that”…imho

    • “In the wood” is an old English term meaning your crazy. So if your brave and a little nuts… can have it.

  2. Good page for discussing the wood, because I’m just not real sure what the wood is.

    • Amy,
      I’m going to help you. It’s not: Stone, Rock, Concrete, Granite, Marble, Metals, Liquid or Gas. Kinda leaves “TREES” and “Bushes”
      Now the question is, “Where” imho

    • If you are brave and in the wood. Brave: ready to face or endure without fear. There are lots of critters out there we all have to be careful of. : )

  3. “If you are brave and in the wood I give you title to the gold.” Is the full quote.
    I think that it is vital that it be read in its entirety, and not just as “In the wood”

    IMO The first part – “If you are brave…” gives you the name of something. Followed by “and In the wood…”.

    “…In the wood…” has four separate meanings in my solve. One meaning is a translation from a language other than English. The second interpretation refers to a big expanse of timber. The third interpretation relates to a smaller stand of timber and the last interpretation relates to the “wood lined” Treasure Chest.

    Why four definitions? The progression of definitions takes me from a global view of where the TC is located, down to the chest itself’.. all important steps that must be taken in order to actually look IN the TC…after which, Forrest will give me title to the gold.

    I have discussed my opinions regarding the “Circular Architecture” of the poem on another strand on this blog. “…in the wood… circles back to “…in there…” in the first stanza. This circling back to the four definitions of “…in the wood…” takes me from the global view, to an exact location of where the TC is hidden…. or at least I hope that it does. I hope to know for sure this week-end.

    All of the above is just my opinion. Please accept it is that…AN opinion.

    Good luck “…in the wood…” to all searchers and STAY SAFE “…in the wood…”


    • JD- remember “brave and in” gives you nirvana! Find your spot of enlightenment!

    • JD,

      I’d take it a step further and read stanza 6 back to stanza 5.
      “Hear me all and listen good.” “the answers I already know,”
      If you are brave and in the wood… may be describing the location of the treasure, as emmett state, in the wood or saddle to a mountain pass [ passage or in this case lines up wit creek as a narrow passage ]. and In this case brave simply means to ‘take on a challenge’ Is this challenge only of deciphering the poem or is there another challenge one must face? In the wood, is also a saying for ‘a coffin’. The word wood, is by definition, the center of a horses hoof or coffin bone.
      At one point the words ‘ take the chest and leave my bones’ were in the poem… subtle hint? to bone. Wood is as well, an area between a treeline and an open area… I’m not into this one too much unless that tree line is meant for another reason, such as no trees above this line. The we have petrified wood, should brave be a hint to petrified?
      Could your effort be worth the cold…refer to elevation of that treeline? or the effort of all those failed attempts, you suddenly realize, you didn’t know all the answers at first? is cold meaning the touch of bronze/metal. Could “hear me all and listen good” not have anything to do with hear or listening, but reading…

      Could In the wood refer to all the above? and if so what is the connection… Wood or petrified [ dead ] Cold [dead] no place for the meek [ death ] the end is ever [ as in always – death ] No paddle up your creek, between a rock and hard place [ dead ]
      Heavy loads and water high, in a hole tears of sorrow [ death ]
      Blaze, a marker [ dead ]. As I gone alone in there… Was this poem not meant for fenn to take his last journey? to take it with him? to die.

      Treasures are possessions important to one, valued by one… I asked another searcher what the summery of TTOTC could be. Are Memories not a possession important to one?
      A trove has no ownership and of value… are treasures and trove one in the same in the poem?

      Names of places change overtime, and many times. descriptions, terms [ word choice ] etc, can last a long time. especially when used in a poem… which can use words and phrases completely different to common usage. I agree you need to read the full sentence [ Quote as you put it ]… I like to take it a step further is all.

      Although, I like the thought of your “Global view” I’m not sure where you’re going with that… could you explain more?

      • Seeker;

        You bring up a lot of interesting points…many relating to death. You may be right, but I do not take that view.

        Maybe “Global View” can be translated to looking at “The Big Picture” or “Bigger View”.

        On MW Forest stated, “Your destination is small, but its location is huge (Posted Feb. 19th, 2016)

        My search area starts out in a huge area, but progressively diminishes in size until I am actually looking IN the chest

        Does this help?


        • Yep, I thought that was where you were going with that… but when you used Global, I had to ask.. I have tried to vision a Global solve, but never could wrap y head around anything.

          Even the Big Picture can related to death as well… at least if one reads the poem in this manor. I’m a Multiple Meanings guy, for me to attempt to understand the tone [ for lack of a better word ] of the poem… it needs to be read more than one way.

          I also am starting to think the poem present two clues that leads to the other clues… not so much clues within the poem, but clues at the location of the first two clues “answer”. And why stanza 1 5 6 seem to most as throw away stanzas or intro and summations. They will not be understood till you understand what the poem relates to, and are in the correct spot that ‘tells’ [ hear and listen; yet see and read ] where the chest is.

          If this doesn’t work out … I can always go back to throwing darts.

        • I do not understand your statement? I guess finding the chest is your huge spot, but if that’s not what f meant the the Rockies are huge and compared to that of our starting point which would be small. IMHO

    • “If you are brave…” gives you the name of something.
      Ah Ha, I got it.
      Home of the brave = Home + Home of Brown!
      Brave = beavr = beaver dam.
      Alright, I aint got nothin here.

  4. Sorry – I noticed two typo’s….accept it AS that, not IS that….and I left out one quote mark – sorry

  5. I believe the chest is hidden in a dip in a small ridge. like a saddle(in the wood). This is why the treasure may be wet. This dip would be a good place to rest, marvel gaze, and be scented in and pillowed down. IMO of course

    • That’s all well, but I think f is saying “TARRY SCANT WITH MARVEL GAZE” . Don’t stand around and get caught at awe . Get “MOVING” imho

      • That’s exactly what the phrase means, no more – no less. Many are making more out of this than what’s there. It’s simply FF’s good advice NOT to tarry with your mouth hanging open after finding the TC. GET AWAY before being discovered and shot.

          • Seeker–
            I would actually feel safer at Fort Knox, than in the wilderness, where other searchers far less morally centered than ourselves would shoot you for a single piece of gold, let alone a chest full of it. Maybe I’m just not as trusting in human nature as others….

        • LabRat – but what do you do if there is more to it? You are being taken to a precise spot by the poem; what if “but tarry scant with marvel gaze” is an alignment process of objects or something else? Wouldn’t that be disappointing if you found the blaze, hadn’t thought about any other possibilities, and there you are staring at your feet, and nothing? Dang, that was a nice vacation.

          • JCM–
            “If you’ve been WISE and found the blaze…” [IMO] the only ‘alignment process’ then to be performed is to “look quickly down…” Yes?

        • Actually I think he is saying the opposite. I do not see a “NOT” or a negative to “tarry”. He is saying to wait around for a little bit. Maybe a geyser? But how would that tell you where the chest is?

          • I’m in the opinion of, that you have to look around awhile maybe it’s not easy to spot.

  6. I’m not reading anything devious from this line.
    I think there are many trees surrounding the area where the chest is.
    As far as brave goes, Grizzlies may out number people there, depending on how many people go there at any given time.
    Good luck racking your brains on this one.

  7. I think, IMO, it’s a treed area where you can smell the trees that Forest mentioned.

    In Oz, our forests don’t have bears, (only Koala Bears) and I think you are all brave for venturing out among them. It sure would put the wind up me, not having a clear view of whats around.

    Y’all stay safe and best wishes.

  8. To me, “in the wood” is an “if” condition that must be met. Wood cells conduct water and minerals. I’m looking for a place that transfers water, at least seasonally. IMO.

      • All these minerals and elements must have the potential to discolor water to any colour you like.

  9. I find it interesting that Mr. Fenn refers to “in” more than once in the poem.

      • The thing that stands out to me about this line, is the singular use of the word wood. I would expect it to be plural if describing the woods as being a forested area in general. This indicates to me, it is describing a specific area. Although you would expect the W to be capitalised if it was the name of the river.

        • Wood vs woods is also a regional preference. Where I grew up folks often said they were out in the “wood” all day. I don’t know all the parts of North America that use wood vs woods but I do know that the preference seems regional.

  10. As someone who is motivated by fear, stupidity and imagination, I have no idea what it means to be brave. Maybe I will have to get across a stream by walking on a log or rocks. Maybe in the wood is related to a beaver dam or piles of logs at the stream.

    • I am starting to think that brave has to do with going over or around a posted area…”this area closed” to hikers?
      Just a thought?
      So, you’ve got to be brave and go in there, this is why the treasure is still out there.
      99.9% of people will obey the sign, Forrest is the type of adventurer/explorer who will just ignore the sign to see if there are artifacts lying around.

      • Hi Gerry.

        You bring up a very good thought. Because, my genral solve actually involves something like this…..because there were signes posted as “No Trespassing”, but looks like hte land hadn’t been frequented in quite a while. My team and I went in anyhow…because it was BLM land. We looked around the area, but since it was heavily overgrown, we probably didn’t do as thorough of a search.

        This could also be a reference to FF saying, “it will be interesting to the one who finds it”…..which now could mean exactly what you stated.

        Hmmm…I’ll have to go back to the spot and revisit my thinking while I’m there.

        Good luck to you.

      • You had to be brave to lasso a buffalo and get towed across a field. It was worth the cold getting wet and walking home! Turned out it was fun too and worth it.

  11. Perhaps ” in the wood” is figurative, a frame of mind. wood is alive, changing, growing, responding to light, dark and temperature. Like an active Imagination that you have to be brave enough to follow….

      • Hello anniebeardo. Your thoughts are interesting. Do you feel Mr. Fenn would want people to cross over a raging cold river in fear the possibility people might lose their balance and fall into the raging waters? Gosh, I’m really not sure he would do this. This is an opinion, offered as a thought.

        • Hey pdenver
          Annie he is right, f has said it is not in a dangerous spot as dangerous in in a dictionary. That’s close to what he said but it sure wouldn’t be in a dangerous spot like that… IMHO

        • Hello pdenver! Not at all. But perhaps it’s in the base of the tree (not over the water) and one might be too scared to get too close. In my experience, it’s cooler near a cold river at a higher altitude. Might be worth the cold to check. =)

          • Hello anniebeardo. Good point. I’ll have to check some maps to look for high altitude rivers. I thought they were in lower elevations. 😉

    • I believe that Mr. Fenn stated at one time that the TC was not in a tree, but it is surrounded by trees.

      • Hey Windy City
        I’, south of you. But want I want to say is you need backup if your going to say anything about what f has ever said. It’s to help everyone know that f did say that so that nobody is getting the wrong information. Also, put in ( to protect you from Dal or Goofy) IMO. that’s: In My Opinion.
        keep talking, you’ve had some good stuff.

        • Thanks Timothy. I guess I thought that “I believe” was synonymous with “in my opinion.” Do you live in Missouri?


          Windy City

      • “Surrounded by trees” is too vague to help. Think about
        it. The middle of Antarctica is surrounded by trees.

        All my opinion.

  12. One interpretation of “in the wood” is to be informed or ‘in the know.’

    BE INFORMED regarding laws and DANGERS in Yellowstone Park. Walking off boardwalks will get you arrested, for good reasons!!!

    The ground surrounding geothermals is dangerously thin. This camera crew made a foolish decision which could have cost 3rd degree burns or their lives. As a kid I witnessed a dog off leash boiled to his death near morning glory pool.

    • Thanks Lia,
      And another interpretation would be the opposite. Go figure!
      That must have been a horrible sight to see as a child. Thanks for sharing,

    • JohnR, I agree that at times, it could be cold there. I also think
      that a successful solver of the poem will understand that timing can be important in finding the treasure. And I’m not talking
      simply about going when there is no snow on the ground in
      the search area. I am willing to explain why I said all this . . . but not before early September, 2016.

      The above is just my opinion. Yours may differ.

      Good luck to all searchers. Please be safe.

  13. This last stanza is my blaze.

    IMO It is a specific place. I leave to go out west this summer. Florida to New York State then to Ontario, back to the states visiting National Parks all the way as I continue on through Nebraska, So Dakota, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah,back to Wyoming and then to Montana then back to New York State.
    And, when it cools off a bit … Home to Florida. My search area is in Wyoming.
    I can’t make it to Fennboree but I wish I could, I have a prior invitation to a one year olds birthday party. Smiles..

    I haven’t searched with boots on the ground since 2014. In July I went by myself and in the fall of that year I went to Wyoming twice with a partner, however that partnership was disolved very soon afterwards. I have continued working on the poem and am now ready to head out again. So my summer: check out my solve and travel around.

    • Hi Zelda,
      🙂 Great to hear from you again. Have a great trip and all the best.

      • Hi LD… It’s been awhile. Yes, I am looking forward to my trip and my search.

        • Hey Zelda, looks like your headed on a “fantastic” adventure. Good to see some of the 4 still following “indulgence’s” trail. I wish you luck in all your travels especially in finding the chest. Stay safe C, Bur

    • Sounds like a fascinating summer. Good luck to you in your travels, and good luck in your search.



  14. Stepping into the wood is like entering another world – one that may reveal secrets to the perceptive traveler… or, hold unfamiliar dangers for the unprepared. Woods can be isolating, even confining.

    More than a simple gathering of trees, dense woods can cut you off from the world, offering sanctuary for thoughts that badly need organizing. Woods can instill doubt and mystery – once you’ve entered their doorway, you are shrouded in obscurity… always on the edge of being lost.

    Some Native Americans used wood to build dwellings – allowing them to survive in even the harshest environment. Likewise, wood concealed their location and valuable possessions like food and tools.

    Dappled sunlight echoes the movement of the sky when you’re in the wood; reminding you that nature is in control… reminding you that anything could be out there.

    • Geezzz Wizzard, you forgot flying monkeys and a nasty old witch… And don’t ever anger an apple tree.

      Oh right.. be safe and bring ‘extra’ water, just in case.

    • “reminding you that anything could be out there”. There is all kinds of crazy eyes in the woods, I wouldn’t have it any other way.

  15. I like this thread, it offers a unique perspective, by seeing this final stanza of the poem and this line in particular (If you are brave and in the wood) you think about this as a final hint that you are at the end of the maze (the X on the Map)(all clues in order have been dispensed) hints also confirming, so imagine this as “if” viewing the correct solve at or from it’s conclusion.

    YES it is often easier to solve a maze by beginning at the end and working backward, reversing the process sometimes eliminates taking wrong turns. Think of it as going home the same way you came.

    Sounds a little bizarre at first, sorta like this:

    We shall not cease from exploration
    And the end of all our exploring
    Will be to arrive where we started
    And know the place for the first time.

    When the last of earth left to discover
    Is that which was the beginning;
    At the source of the longest river
    The voice of the hidden waterfall
    And the children in the apple-tree
    T. S. Eliot- 1955 “Through the unknown, unremembered gate”

    Or strange like this:

    “If you should ever think of me when I have passed this vale,”

    What if I said to you “He was brave and is now in the wood” what would you think? Naturally, is he dead? Lost in the wilderness or the Rio G Gorge? Now what “if” it was you; you are brave and in the wood, obviously you are alive not in the wood, so wood could, and should and probably does have a river running through it. So who believes wood could be a, the river, IMO ff means just that and often says it is wet, his poem speaks “your effort will be worth the cold, so take a wade in the wood and be brave you just might find the gold”.

    Tom (enthusiastic) T

    • I think in the wood could be in reference to a river, as long as it’s not too deep. I think marvel gaze could fit in too as a reflection off the water.

      • MikeyJ,

        Rocky Mountain streams, rivers, creeks etc are all low at a certain time of year, late summer is best for wading, if you know the runoff time and ice out time, then understand that there is a very narrow time frame when you effort is worth the cold that you will feel without waders, especially when fishing for trout or gold.

        Right now (May, spring) even the smallest creek is a torrent, so understand the window of opportunity given to us from ff is short, but it is the only time when the danger of being swept away in a thawing rage or summer monsoons is minimal.

        Choose wisely, my friend and blaze on!

        Tom T

        and now it’s time for a commercial;

        • I’ve been following the water levels out of the usgs in Taos they’ve been going up pretty good the last two weeks. I’ve still got a few spots along the banks to check, that are probably a little under water now actually. Other than that, I’ll be waiting until the end of August to ford the river

  16. There is more to this line than meets the eye.
    I was in the mood to drop in to the hood,to give my opinion of being in the wood. 🙂
    So it continues;

  17. Something in the recesses of my memories tells me that “in the wood” means that someone is exploring and blazing trails, or in general “out there doing things”. That it’s related to Daniel Boone.

    I did some searches on the net but haven’t found anything on this. And it’s a shaky memory. But Boone was my childhood hero, and this memory is specific enough that it includes a teacher telling me/my class about this phrase. I’m just not 100% sure though.

    • Buckey Bob,

      “Daniel Boone, when asked if he ever got lost out in the wilderness, replied, “I can’t say I was ever lost, but I was once bewildered for about 3 days.”
      ― Daniel Boone

      No doubt, Boone was brave and in the wood.

      So why is your name BOB? Because in my generation, all the kid’s real name even on birth certificates was Johnny, Bobby, Tommy, and of course another couple were Danny as in Boone, and Davey as in Crockett, and we all wanted a coonskin cap to wear as we read “Battle of the Alamo” or “Call of the Wild”

      Tom T my real name is Tommy Enthusiastic, well Tommy anyway on my birth certificate, I just added the enthusiasm for moderation.

  18. If you are brave and in the wood
    I give you title to the gold

    Knock on wood that I’ve been in the wood($) (plural locations) that are needed to obtain the key…. 🙂

    I wonder if anyone else is on the same track as me… Give me a shout out if you are.

      • Hey Tom T
        You have brought something that has been bothering me since my wife got hurt out there. TV! Everyone see’s the TV programs but they have no clue of the real “danger” that is out there. I just want to mention, mainly to people from central USA to the east coast of the USA. Before any of you decide to head out west you need to know that there is a “silent killer” out in the high Rockies. It’s called AMS, Altitude Sickness, also known as Acute Mountain Sickness. It picks on any body any age any gender. Look it up, as somebody gets AMS going up tails it very very important to stop, that person needs to descend immediately. Going up further can very very detrimental to the person. If it gets bad enough it can lead to death, just like the bends for a diver… Don’t want to be a bummer just know “all” the dangers at different elevations.
        Be Safe and Good Luck on all up and coming searches..

        • Timothy, that’s good advice, my home is at 8,000 feet just south of Santa Fe, NM and I like to play 18 (walking) holes of golf 3-4 times a week.

          Altitude is like diving in depth only the opposite, acclimate slowly and be in good physical condition, that will avoid problems.

          Tom T

  19. In my opinion – “in the wood” tells you exactly where you should be looking.

    It’s not on most maps – but right on – and very masculine and relates to initials – and that’s all I’m going to say about that.

    Happy Hunting !

  20. There’s been a lot of hot and dry discussion about: a.) whether the poem’s clues identify a search area, b.) whether WWWH is the first clue or not, and c.) whether the poem is all you need. I think Stanza One answers all three. You’re probably not going to like it.

    Here’s my take on Stanza One — it’s a WINDOW!

    Agreed, the Rockies are too large for a BOG search. A serious searcher must find a more manageable search area.

    Stanza One is a window like the skylight over Fenn’s shower. You don’t have to look, but it frames some pretty impressive territory.

    “The poem is all you need” has been severed from “ the book is necessary because it contains the poem” … I think that is not ‘all the truth’… Because Stanza One tells you in one word that you really need the book. How else could you know where the “I” has gone alone, what his treasure bold is, his secret where, or hear his hints of riches? The searcher must be intimately familiar with the book to know those things. This is not an accidental chase, we are not sifting thru a trash heap at an archeology site. Every thing is deliberately placed.

    IMO, here’s HOW Stanza One tells you to search:

    “AS” is a simile word, a comparative. It means there is at least one precursor describing Fenn’s having “gone alone in there.” That precursor must be in the poem or the book. I’m guessing the book. And there is more than one example.

    “I have gone alone” identifies the “secret where”. It is a temporal dimension, not a tactile place. Our temporal self is our dreams, fantasies, imagination, memories. We can each go there only alone. Writing a memoir gives others a kind of WINDOW into our memories, but others cannot go there. It is our solitary personal dimension. The trick will be turning mental dimensions into a tactile place to search for Indulgence. This is really abstract-thinking territory.

    “In there” assumes an “out there”… In & out requires a threshold, a boundary or edge, a line-in-the-sand like that marble ring. A good motif for isolating a particular view is a window, it’s like the frame on the artist’s paintings in the gallery. They both have shape, borders, transparency, penetrability, and even chases. And some big windows are right there at the starting place, FIRST GRADE, with all those in and out kids. Work with the motif, symbols are language. Also, look up fenestration in the dictionary. For fun, alter the spelling a bit, and voila! This chase is a Fennestration!

    At first I thought Stanza One might identify the search area by window characteristics… defined borders, a rectangular shape like a map or some states, though that’s way too big. Maybe an airport, a military base or fort, a campus or park. It could be circular or arched, but a place with defined borders. I doubted that Indulgence would be ‘IN’ some unlimited free-flowing expanse. But artists can fit a whole lot of acreage into a 20×30” canvas. That dimension thing is so … abstract.

    Now I think Stanza One frames the search area by the window references in the book. I’ve already mentioned some, here’s how I read the others:
    It’s next to a reservation because grandma had her nose pressed against the window to watch Comanches chase chickens. A cemetery or memorial is at the bottom because Forrest slipped out and sat on a gravestone to think under the stars a block north of his bed. Perhaps a post office, or pony express station is in view because mom was looking thru the window for the post man. Some white is on the ground where Olga’s bones floated down. Sound tracks of Gypsy music are on the East, or are they RR tracks? And just outside the window, look for some kind of a big old fire slide.

    Thats my guess. What do you think? OS2. 5/20/16

    • I agree with most everything you said and have been working off a similar idea for a while now. We’ll see. I start my 2000 mile trek to the west in 4 days.
      If the window theory is correct, I’ll know soon enough.

      • Good luck eagles, please let me how your theory worked out. I’d love to compare notes. I am an armchair searcher, no boots on the ground.

        • Thank you os2, I appreciate the well wishes. I would love to compare notes after I make this final trip. Unfortunately the distance prohibits me from making multiple trips.
          Would you agree that you determined that there was a window by what f said in jump starting the learning curve?
          Imo, that chapter and the imp lit chapter plus the war for me, holds most the clues/hints you need to solve the poem.

          • Eagle, I dont quite understand your question… In the book, Fenn said there was a window right next to his desk. He jumped thru it into the fire slide tube (I’m an old timer, I actually remember those things). If a window is the motif for the search area, some kind of a fire slide might be just outside the border of the search area. Hebgen had an earthquake slide, I don’t know if there was a fire too.

          • I was specifically referring to. .”about that time my father gave me a look and I mean REALLY a look. I was sure a window pane somewhere in Mississippi was about to break”. At the of the page his father says, ” okay son, what have we learned from all of this? Check out pg 25.

          • eaglesabound, I used to believe that the TTOTC chapter “My War For Me” contained some important info related to this search for the trove. In the last few months, this belief has diminished quite a bit, possibly even to the point of being effectively gone.

            I studied “The Catcher In The Rye” in
            high school, and am a big fan of J.D.
            Salinger. But I don’t see anything
            very significant in the “Important
            Literature” chapter of TTOTC that
            would help solve the poem.

            The chapter “Jump-Starting The
            Learning Curve”, however, contains
            something that I believe is a very
            important hint.

            The above is my opinion.

          • eaglesabound,

            You said: I was specifically referring to. .”about that time my father gave me a look and I mean REALLY a look. I was sure a window pane somewhere in Mississippi was about to break”

            Just annotating for fun now. This window pane bit is a very specific metaphor / allusion to ß, an Eszett, or sharp s. The phrase “window pane” in context here and in German is called a “minced oath” in linguistics, in this case for the word “scheiße”, similar to how we say “shoot”, or “what the f” when we mean something a bit more. And as always in f’s realm, it can also allude to “bullet” and “parachute” which have further suggestions.

            Thank you for being the only opportunity on this blog to comment on it.

          • The Wikipedia page gives the earliest example of a “minced oath” related to birds and a goose. The poem uses words like “anser” that could be related.

    • Sorry, This was supposed to go on The Nines… got a new computer and new email address…must have screwed up.

      • That’s ok OS2 everything you stated sounded real viable . If at all possible is there anyway that it could be broken out even further. I really like the window frame idea, a lot. What I have now is based on a similar theory. I won’t be sure until I can get BOTG and even then it won’t be easy. The only thing that bothers me is “in the wood”!
        Wood being, trees, bushes or wooden cabins that are located in the wood. F has has made a specific item part of this search. Heck, if you park on any road in or by the Rockies your in the wood and because of the sun light being blocked out by the trees the temperatures are cool “in the wood”, sometimes they are down right COLD.

        • Hi Tim… I was only working on Stanza One… stanzas 2-3-& 4 seem to describe the journey, but you need a manageable starting area first. I think Stanza One doesn’t tell you where it is, but how to look for it.

          There there’s lots of other meanings for wood besides trees. My original thought was Brave & in the wood was a wooden Indian. About a hundred years ago I visited Buffalo Bill museum in Cody when it was very new and small, I think there were wooden Indian pillars or something outside, so I thought it meant in the museum.

          What my post showed was a style of clue interpretation that I don’t think has been posted here… there are probably similar ones you could assemble, should assemble, before you make an expensive trip. But have fun and make it memorable.

        • Timothy, good point. Maybe I am over-thinking
          the phrase “in the wood”, trying to force-fit a
          solution that has the TC located literally in
          a small grove of trees. Good luck in your
          solving and searching.

          The above is my opinion.

    • OS2,

      This is an older post of mine called Out the Window;
      your WINDOW brings it again to mind, FWIW:

      Out the Window:

      There are many themes and threads that Forrest Fenn paints in TTOTC, with many side paths, segues and twists. But what is the primary theme in TTOTC and Forrest’s life, at least as he is communicating to us?

      He sneaked out the window to the cemetery and to a camp of dancing gypsies, he sneaked out the classroom window and down a rusty slide that marked his escape to freedom, he shot songbirds and stole pies, he drove (and ran) 1,600 miles with his brother with no licenses, he roped a car to a bison, bathed naked in the Firehole, he stranded VIP’s in the woods, clung to a milk truck and delivered milk to undressed housewives, he impersonated a college student to be with friends, peed in a gas tank, compelled a helicopter and pilot to risky territory to his “secret alone”, touched rare paintings with children, enjoyed parental letters calling him a fraud, started an art gallery without a clue, sold forgeries and was resented by dealers, hobnobbed with the rich and famous, confronted Bella Abzug and the NY Times, spread ashes on sacred Taos mountain from his plane window, took off on flights of discovery without destinations, wrote and published his own books with made-up words and mistakes, took the fork in the road “together” with Peggy, designed and cast bronze bells to bury for future explorers to find, filled an ancient treasure chest with riches and hid it, spent 15 years writing a poem like an architect for the chase, and still wants to throw himself on top of the treasure chest to die in the sun and dare you to find him!

      All the while he was responsible for his own education, contrasted with his father’s formal education, but with his father’s philosophical support as told in stories and quotes, and was free in part because Peggy “allowed me the luxury of doing the things I thought were important.” He was a fake cadet, but a real husband, pilot, and art dealer.

      Forrest’s profound statement in “My War for Me”, the one chapter in TTOTC that Forrest told us not to miss, is that we are all there for others, everyone. It took him years to connect his experiences in Indochina and above Philadelphia to understand this. You matter if you matter to yourself (“all I have is my name”), and you matter to yourself if you are good to others, so as not to waste your turn.

      You don’t need 15 minutes of fame or to kill a president to be remembered. You matter if you made life better for others. “So, to be important I only need to impress myself only to me. And I can do that if others are positively affected by what they see in me or see me do.”

      And yet, he puts forth extensive and detailed efforts (“I thought of everything”) to apply his wealth and skills to be known and remembered, to create a lasting legacy. Despite all his experiences and accomplishments, he still feels inadequate in comparison to his father’s deeds (Father on the Banco). His father worked to improve the lives of children, and Forrest was good at taking care of himself and his family. Despite his worthy accomplishments, his insecurity lingers, and he remains humble and true to his origins. He said he lead a charmed life, so he must feel very blessed.

      So if he is at “peace with all of it”, why does he need to go through such great lengths in the public arena to be remembered? His family and dear friends are there for him, and he has his pueblo to explore endlessly. “So why is it that I must go and leave my trove for all to seek?” That was his question he put in the poem, but did he give the complete answer?

      Forrest faced death when he was 58, yet with the love and help of his family he was given a new lease on life. Did this death sentence instill in him a need to ensure his immortality, or to at least approximate it with the significant resources he had at hand?

      So he is at peace with all of it, or perhaps not. After he got cancer the idea for hiding a treasure chest hit him: “…after the probability of my fate had finally hit bottom, I got an idea.” And later, “I’ve never been willing to stand idly by and be part of a forgotten history when I may be able to impact future events”, so he designed, cast and buried bells and jars filled with his autobiography to impart a future, unknown legacy.

      So part of being at peace with all of it also involves going out the window to the future in multiple creative ways.

      But he is apparently not bitter or hurtful to people, and shares greatly with others in his reach for remembrance, and has given to us our own quest if we want it. He is with us, not against us. He reaches out for us, and doesn’t recede.

      Forrest does not wish to go gently into that good night, but rather to rage against it with his own creations of mind and hands with everything he’s got left, all the while watching that energy fade from the man in his mirror, and with the embrace of family, friends and strangers by the thousands willing to join him by his side.

      I believe it is this:
      Forrest always chose the alternate path, chose freedom, the road less taken, rules and protocol be damned. He escaped from the clutches of the ordinary. But he was still there for others, as they were for him.

      He is still 13 and doing it the different way:
      He is sneaking out the Window once again.

      This is what the Chase is all about.

      And to get that treasure chest, you will need to sneak out the right window.

      “Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night”

      Do not go gentle into that good night,
      Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

      Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
      Because their words had forked no lightning they
      Do not go gentle into that good night.

      Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
      Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

      Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
      And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
      Do not go gentle into that good night.

      Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
      Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

      And you, my father, there on that sad height,
      Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
      Do not go gentle into that good night.
      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
      -Dylan Thomas


      • “So why is it I must go and leave my trove for all to seek?”
        “My part will be very small in the big picture but huge to me.”

      • A very nice compilation Halo. I think we’re all charmed by ff’s stunning life & philosophy – but how does all that fit into this treasure hunt? I don’t dismiss all the art and beauty, its dimension is as genetic as truth, justice, and empathy, but I think he hid the TC by using the other side of his cranium.

        Also, I can’t speak for FF, but I assume that he felt he had given all the necessary data to map the chase in TTOTC.
        The blogs, scrapbooks, interviews, and TFTW were unexpected add-ons.

        I think that during his cancer years, an autobiography may have been brewing. When the treasure hunt idea emerged, he combined the two. A good hidey place was already on a low shelf in his mental pantry, and the face of death often makes one generous. But creating actual clues had to be drawn around the hidey location, not from self-analysis of personal and emotional growth for the autobio. It’s difficult to separate the two purposes because neither can present “all the truth”, & it’s very difficult to squeeze the vast into thin books, much less short posts. Its what poetry does so well.

        Thanks, OS2, PS, love Dylan too.

        • PPS Halo. I guess my point was, think less about extracting info from the stories and more about creating the stories & clues. Start at the far end and work forward.

          • I like this idea of end to the beginning or thinking backwards at least in regard to the creating of the chase. I would like to just throw in my 2 cents on something else however.

            You said: “but I think he hid the TC by using the other side of his cranium.” A bit of a personal pet peeve of mine. I feel it is a false dichotomy. There are perfect balances of passion and logic. Math can be elegant, beautiful and even elicit emotion in ways art could never hope to. Art can be perfectly engineered and the product of mechanical Ideals.

            Chess is definitely a game of logic but pure logic cannot solve it. You are not playing against math, you are playing against a person, you need a bit of both. I feel the thrill of the chase is the same way. When logic works we use logic, when it fails and makes little/no sense we have to attempt to understand the thoughts and emotions of our opponent (In this case Fenn).

            On the same topic, in another post you mention both computers and the operation of anothers mind. There are entire fields of study into just that. As much as we don’t like the idea we are not terribly different from computers. When attempting reverse engineering the first step should be to understand the intentions of the engineer.

            Again, just how I feel. I wouldn’t want to see someone like you who is forging through less trod but reasonable ground limit their options because they don’t think they can do something or assumed it was not done.

      • Halo – nice to see you back. Thanks for your insightful post about FF.

        Viewing the man through your lense helps to keep solution related craziness in perspective.

      • Halo getter,
        That was an excellent write up, my only disagreement would be Mr. Fenns insecurities, I don’t see them. Everything else however was well thought out, this post I will read again. Thank you for your insight.

      • Now that’s a guy I would love to tag along with!

        Nicely said Halo, sounds like you are friends with Forrest.

      • Halogetter, I agree with what you said (and it was very
        well-written, in my opinion).

        But how does any of it relate to “in the wood”?

    • OS2, some of what you said makes a lot of sense . . .
      especially since my last search trip (which ended on 8/24/17).
      Good luck to you in your continued solving and searching.

      The above is my opinion.

  21. OS2, something tells me that your new computer system is fine, it is that archaic os2 operating system you need to fix, but obviously, you have got IMO the gist of the first stanza.

    I have always felt that the use of “As” I have gone alone in there, insinuated that he had been “in there” with someone who is guaranteed to keep his secret “where” (place) (blaze) because that person is dead, so call it a hunch or just a gut feeling but usually a special place in your memory has another important element, LOVE, no matter how you may perceive reality, or how you use logic, WE as human beings are feeling creatures who feel first and the we “think” this first stanza is setting the tone for feelings and IMO it is a hint (s), not a clue.

    All of these WINDOWS, of which you speak, are the words which have a multitude of meanings, ff likes us to choose the meaning of such things from our own point of reference, the confusion of ff’s definition is created by us, not him, so just like the word “Blaze”, to him it means one thing, to us a multitude of “places” are possible “in there”, that is our IMAGINATION at work. We all seem to have an opinion on these words and ff likes to fuel that, it gives him a kick, (STELLAR NAVIGATION? seriously? ff is still laughing he even comments on it!) the only way to narrow the meaning of clues and hints is to use ff’s frame of reference, otherwise we need to stay at home and play Canasta.

    “And with my treasures BOLD” to a man like ff who has experienced a lot of heart pounding experiences and survived, bold is a BOLD statement, so something an 80 year old like him might consider risky, but “doable” might be something like a hot air balloon ride, parachute from a plane, like Bush 41 did:

    It might not be super hard “physically” but ff had to be bold in some way to accomplish stashing the TC at it’s location.

    That is not to say I am any closer than you or anyone else to the solve, but this last line in stanza one suggest using ff feelings and logic, that HINT is just as important as a CLUE, the only difference is Clues move you geographically closer to the TC, and hints confirm that you have the correct solve using ff road map to the “special place”.

    Now that’s all I have to say about that:

    “Sometimes when people go to Vietnam, they go home to their mommas without legs. Sometimes they don’t go home at all. That’s a bad thing. That’s about all I have to say about that.”

    FF GUMP, unfortunately his microphone was not on in front of all those people? Feelings anyone? Well do not watch this from ff’s perspective, unless you have lots of tissue…

    Tom T

  22. Tom, My name was originally Old Shadows. I lean toward brutal brevity and began using OS, but the search function brought up every word with an OS in it, so I evolved to OS2. I am totally pre-tech. I replaced my old PC with a huge apple thing and my tech-savvy kids had a nightmare exporting my old Vista/Word files over. I may shorten my windows theory & re-post it on The Nines…when I figure out how.


    I’ll have to ponder your thoughts a while, emotions are not part of the dimensions I was speaking of (reread Teachers With Ropes). Also. I have resistance to absorbing what someone says when they start expanding on what a 3rd party thinks or feels, etc. I learned from Judge Judy that we “can’t know the operation of another’s mind”. Tell me what you think, feel, intend, want. Thanks for your input.

    • Brevity is a virtue OS2, and the economy of words is a gift, few have it and some like you and I try to find it, but people like ff are geniuses at the obscure, even to the point that we may spend much of our time analysing his (their) thoughts, but the truth will come to us all when the TC is found, and it could well be simply understanding the difference between a clue and a hint, both of which were in ff’s poem, not just hints in the book which are sprinkled and difficult to recognize…

      In June I will attempt my 30th BOG hunt, and the evolution of my search area has been formed by a simple principle; what would Forrest Fenn use to describe “my” no “his” favorite place in the WOOD, since, and if we can start there in the wood and work back it is like reverse engineering the correct solve, to me that makes this work a lot easier, but I have been wrong 29 times before so like Thomas Edison, I have not failed, I now know 29 ways not to create a light bulb..

      Tom T

  23. Good luck Tom, 30th time is the lucky one. Can you reveal what influenced you to choose your general location? Did you keep any particular elements of the book in mind when searched on GE? I try to keep geography in mind, but history and descriptive place names keep sticking their nose into the tent.

    • I assure you Colorado, is in the middle, and you know it is 90 miles to the border from Santa FE, NM

      There are places where I feel ff must have flown over in traveling to Yellowstone, and he is very, very keen on target acquisition, what did he do in Nam?

      I must go above the 37th latitude to see my target. I think my entire distance is less than 150 miles from Santa Fe, and one significant marker of note is the Great Sand Dunes Natl Monument and they never blow away. but that is near the canyon down IMO.

      Tom T

      • PS Google Earth maps not good for this area, try just Google maps as in road maps.

        Tom T

      • Aways back I tried to measure the 90 miles that was mentioned in the Olga story. Posts implied that Wheeler Mt was the mythical Taos Mt.,where here bones were dropped, but my untrustworthy GE ruler tool,indicated it was Costilla mt. That mt. has some unique attributes.

  24. Hey Eagle, Theres no REPLY at your last post, so I’m restarting here.
    I’ve no solid association between that Mississippi window & the search-area window… got several wobbly ones. I console myself with the thought a good puzzle maker would throw in the word a couple extra times just to dilute the soup. For the moment I must accept it’s preponderance and dismiss All and Absolute as mental comforts for the weak and tired.

    • I didn’t think Mississippi had anything to do with it either, just the window part.
      IMO of course

      • I didn’t think Mississippi had anything to do with it either… just a creative expression that our inner kid would laugh at and understand as a distant place. Maybe it was word play about pane and pain. Or something else.. I liked the expression.

  25. I recently got into trouble with my wife, but I apologized and tried to make things right, but I’m not OUT OF THE WOODS yet. So I guess I’m in the wood(s)? Maybe I need to be BRAVE?

    • “So hear me all and listen good,”
      Your effort will be worth the cold.”
      “If you are brave & (opposite of out of the woods)” paraphrasing
      “I give you title to the gold.”

      If you are not “out of the woods” you need to be brave for in some sense you may still be in some type of potential peril…

      FF’s stick figure drawings at TC site showed people with guns and jumping mad etc. IMO FF is simply trying to tell us again not to stay long at the site.

      Bear spray is $50 and has only a few sprays per can and is made of hot pepper capsacin. Not trying to scare anyone…like it says on the can…it’s better to be prepared. Don’t rub your eyes after spraying and use olive oil etc to relieve sting if you do get in eyes.

  26. Brave & in the wood possibility:

    T.S. Eliot & Sir Thomas Brown refer to “Yew wood” in their writings.
    Yew trees are toxic, but used to treat cancer, symbolic of death, found in cemeteries, were used by Northwestern Native Americans & Ancient cultures of Europe to form the best hunting/military Bows. While it’s only indigenous to far NW Montana (not Wy, Co, Nm) it may still be a valid interpretation for consideration in the words/letters of the poem. If Yew are brave and in the wood…

    • Forgot to post the Thomas Brown info:
      Browne, in his Hydriotaphia Urne-buriall, tell us, that among the ancients, “the funerall pyre consisted of sweet fuell, cypresse, firre, larix, YEWE, and trees perpetually verdant.” And he asks, or rather observes, “Whether the planting of yewe in churchyards holds its original from ancient funerall rites, or as an embleme of resurrection from its perpetual verdure, may also admit conjecture.”

      Yes, it admits of conjecture, and in all likelihood man’s choice of the yew for funeral associations was determined by its appearance, its longevity, its utility in supplying material for weapons, and its need of segregation on account of its poisonous qualities; in fact, nearly all the suggested facts seem to have played some part in establishing the yew tree where we mostly find it.

      T.S. Eliot refers to Yew wood in his Four Quart/Little Gidding

    • Dang….
      “So hear me all and listen good,”
      Your effort will be worth the cold.”
      “If you are brave and in the wood”
      “I give you title to the gold.”

      Yew trees are toxic and symbolize death”
      “In the wood?”
      “Worth the cold?”


      It’s a trap!
      Evil Forrest is evil.

  27. It’s interesting the use of “in the wood” as that is more of a British saying. Not that really means anything since ‘wood’ rhymes with ‘Good’ more than woods or forest or trees.

    “In the wood” is also a pub saying, “Put one in the wood for him” meaning, “reserve a pint of beer to give him when he arrives.”

    Maybe there is pint of beer waiting with the chest. 🙂

    Or it could also mean that it is buried.
    If you read the ballad “children in the wood”, it talks about a mean uncle that is supposed to take care of his niece and nephew after his brother and sis-in-law dies. Instead, he has a guy take them out and leave them in the wood. Where they end up starving to death. There the birds cover the bodies with leaves.
    God’s wrath takes care of the uncle.

    So, did he cover the chest with leaves, branches….?

    just something to throw out there in this huge mix of things.

    One other off topic thing.

    His comment, “I made to trips in one afternoon…”
    Everyone always looks at the “two trips” part of that to think how far from a parking area.
    But the “Afternoon” has me thinking.
    Why wasn’t it “two trips in the morning”?
    I figure FF to be a morning kind of guy. And if he was going to hide a treasure this day, it seems to me that it would of been all ready to go the night before. And the anticipation of hiding it would keep sleep away and you would leave early in the morning. Plus, why risk afternoon storms.
    It took a few hours getting to the spot.
    Remember, this is total speculation. An opinion.

    It just makes me wonder if it was about 3 to 4 hours away from Santa Fe.
    He gets up early, 6 or 7ish. Makes breakfast. packs everything.
    Leaves around 8. Drives for 3 or 4 hours. Maybe stops and eats lunch.
    Then around 1ish, he leaves the car for his first trek into the wood!

    just a thought.

    • Mark,
      “Why wasn’t it “two trips in the morning”?”

      I’d bet he was fishing near the hidey spot in the morning, scoping the place out to make sure no one was around.

    • I believe Forrest is a night owl…he makes frequent remarks about sitting by his fire late into the evening…even after midnight. Perhaps Peggy goes shopping or has social engagements in the afternoon that allow him to leave the house undetected for a few hours.Which isn’t to say I don’t follow where you are going with this. I do. But I think it’s a lot closer than 3 or 4 hours from Santa Fe. IMO

      • Maybe The ladies Gin club or losers bracket Canasta Club meets at Forrest’s house in the morning.

        • Seattle, I don’t know what Tanqueray is. Give me a moment to figure that one out and I’ll be back to render an opinion.

        • Ok Seattle – I’m back. I was thinking Fen Gin, but Tanquerey has a nice tie in:

          The only distilling facility to survive the “Axis” bombing, now known as Old Tom has since been moved to “Cameron” Bridge, Scotland.

          And it’s #10

          Tan-que-Ray is a decriptor of the sun blaze on NM’s flag.

          Is it served on triple crown day? I hold nosebleed tickets to The Belmont Stakes. In fact I can’t use my tickets if you want them Seattle.

          The Belmont has interesting ties to Fenn’s namesake – winning horse of the 3rd running is “Fenian” mounted atop the original Tiffany holy grail Trophy.

          Preakness trophy is the Woodlawn”

          Derby trophy is the “golden Cupola” cup with a lucky horse shoe.

          I have a solution built around horse racing, NA horse culture and the oldest known horse fossil discovered in Idaho.

          Fun solve to be sure, but alas not a winner…YET!

          I’m a philly worth betting on.

  28. I’d like a shot at this… my opinion, some one awhile back used “in the wood” as a reference to a wooden witness stand. In my solve, it relates but here is how it fits. First, I believe the final clue is not WRITTEN in the poem , but is in the poem. Let me explain. The poem revolves around wit. Cleaver wit, that’s why my book is titled ” Well Knit Wit” . I believe the final clue relates to food, especially over a grill. If you are in the ‘Wit-ness” stand, you are likely getting “grilled”. You see, when Forrest said “don’t mess with my poem”, i.m.o. it means “don’t eat with my poem”…i.e. “mess hall”. Does anyone REALLY think he would go lay next to the treasure and die? Think about it , “Die and leave his bones”. Forrest does cast bronze. He is a BRAZIER. (BRAVE / BLAZE). It is “DYE” cast, like the pre Colombian jaguar and frog. Forrest would not say “bye Peggy, I’m off to die” and leave a rotting corps for some 10 year old to find and be traumatized for life. No. But he would cook a chicken or trout over a camp fire and leave the bones , likely while molding a jar or a bell.
    Food? See if you can find ” Salt Fats”. Hint: “So….And Leave my Trove For All To Seek.

    • Hi Bill,
      I like some of your out of the box thinking.
      “I believe the final clue relates to food, especially over a grill.”
      Are you sure you don’t have the munchies instead?
      Although, I think the final clue is “blaze” & when your in the wood, what better fuel for the grill.
      Or maybe the clue “blaze” is “blaze up” instead of “look quickly down?”

    • Seattlesullivan, you stated;
      “Does anyone REALLY think he would go lay next to the treasure and die? Think about it , “Die and leave his bones”. . . “Forrest would not say “bye Peggy, I’m off to die” and leave a rotting corps for some 10 year old to find and be traumatized for life.”

      OPINION or not… fenn tells of his plan to do exactly what you say he would not. How can you be so sure of your contradiction to what fenn has stated?

      It’s the PREMISE of the whole Kittinkaboodle…
      The whole reason to hide the chest, write a poem, a book and offer the readers this challenge… But he ruined the story by recovering. Remember the part; “take it with him”…?

      Do you REALLY know what your talking about?
      Do you Know Forrest Fenn personally, to make this statement his story BS?

  29. Allow me to make a realation to wood and time. What is in wood, well the rings of the tree of course, but what does that have to do with time. For one you can tell how old a tree is due to the rings but does it go even further. I’ve been a man of science and I’m always intrigued with anything science. Well how can time know how old a piece of wood is if the tree is not alive? Or even where it came from? The answer tree ring dating or dendrochronology .
    Well you might think, are all of the rings in a tree the same? No, depending on how much precipitation happened in the area where a tree is growing it will grow bigger during that year and the ring will be bigger. This is like a finger print to the tree from where it came from. How does this have to do with time and wood? Trees fall in the woods all the time even if your not there to listen to them leaving there finger print of time on the forest floor. With research scientists can determine where and when a piece of wood came from. Can wood equal time in the poem? Sometimes being brave means, being brave over time and death.

  30. This “wooden” flow of a conversation seems to run cold into the territory of Too Far to Walk, guess that is when there is “no paddle up your creek”, so how do you get there? Drive maybe? No, I think you just let the engineer do the driving, or is it a pilot? Maybe ff? Surely he has flown over it on his way to Jelly-stone?

    Now what is the name of that river? I hope by now you are on the right track,,,seems like it would be a great target.

    Tom T

    PS I guess ff will have to use a ladder to get to “Waters High” to put his bike in?

  31. Once wood is burned, it will survive in the ground for thousands of years and becomes charred organic material.

    Charcoal related?


  32. How do we get paper? First it’s wood then it’s pulp to make paper.

    This machine in the video is cutting trees so fast. Reminds me of the man with his foot on the stump in the field of cut trees looking at the dove in the crescent moon.

    • Recycle. Recycle. I try, but fail when it comes to my favorite modern convenience… Toilet paper. Also, retraining my family is an ongoing effort.

      23kachinas – is that machine called a grapple skidder?

    • ..a swollen tributary feeding the Gallatin? It looks like a Spanish Peak in the background.. so I’ll guess Spanish Creek.

      It looks great, but I’m waiting for better weather. Have fun, and be very careful crossing the creek if you must.

  33. Can’t see “the wood” for the trees.

    “Don’t underestimate the value of Doing Nothing, of just going along, listening to all the things you can’t hear, and not bothering.“

    A.A. Milne

  34. There seems to be infinite theories floating around about what f meant when he wrote..

    “If you are brave and in the wood I give you title to the gold”

    Here is one idea I’ve been toying with.

    Forrest made the statement “I know the treasure chest is wet” in a New Mexico tourism video. Could this be a hint? And maybe this also refers to wood? The poem does say (title to the gold if in the wood)

    The word is weht from Proto Indo European

    Germanic: *wōdaz ‎(“mad, furious, possessed”) from which we get wood.

    So is it safe to assume that wherever the wood is, is where indulgence lies? Might “in the wood” also be the blaze?

    Recently Forrest mentioned his buried jars and also noted that they are protected from moisture “wet” might this be a hint that the chest is buried after all?

    Just some things to think over 🙂

    Good day

    • Janet – Awesome post! Thank you!


      If you are brave and ‘in the wood’

      Can mean:

      If you are brave and (mad, furious, possessed),
      I give you title to the gold.

      Hmmmmm. 😉

  35. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
    And sorry I could not travel both
    And be one traveler, long I stood
    And looked down one as far as I could
    To where it bent in the undergrowth.

    Then took the other, as just as fair,
    And having perhaps the better claim,
    Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
    Though as for that the passing there
    Had worn them really about the same.

    And both that morning equally lay
    In leaves no step had trodden black.
    Oh, I kept the first for another day!
    Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
    I doubted if I should ever come back.

    I shall be telling this with a sigh
    Somewhere ages and ages hence:
    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I–
    I took the one less traveled by,
    And that has made all the difference.
    -Robert Frost

    There are no shortcuts.
    – Forrest Fenn

    • Thanks for the famous Frost poem, DW. More homework for you if you don’t want to leave any stone in the poem unturned.

      There’s a short story titled In The Wood by Guy de Maupassant written in the 1800’s. Google it – I’ll spare you and everyone else my interpretation.

  36. Very new here. But I think “in the wood” could refer to a “knot” in wood or “grain”. Might mean that u are so involved that you have become part of the poem in a sense. You know it so well that you are a knot in the wood itself. Sounds strange but kind of means that to me.

  37. I have a question for Forrest. This may sound like a strange one, but is ANYONE entitled to the gold? I pose this question because of a sentence in the poem. This sentence is “If you are brave and in the wood”. Now, the word “brave” is often used for Indians (Atlanta Braves for example).

    If the treasure were to be hidden on an Indian Reservation is “anyone” entitled to the gold—or do the words “If you are brave” (if you are an American Indian living on that reservation) you will be given the title.

    I know it’s a strange question, but wanted to ask. I believe that anyone is entitled to search for the treasure—-but are all entitled to claim it?

  38. If you are brave and in the wood…makes me think of “the indian in the cupboard”….title to the gold?

  39. IMO…It seems it could be a likeness to the family leaving their possessions by driving two miles into Yellowstone and driving off the road into the trees and unload the trailer, and cover it with a tarp for the winter. (hopefully there are no porcupines messing with the chest) It’s in a place no one has gone to except Mr. Fenn, obviously. He has said if he were able to relive his life, he would do it different. I believe since moving to New Mexico, he has created his own legacy by hiding his chest in correlation to his surroundings. The Yellowstone experience is in the past. He has lived in New Mexico for 45 years, why wouldn’t he have new adventures and new discoveries be his inspiration to write the poem and keep his secret where? In the wood, in New Mexico.

  40. Many folks have mentioned the idea of death, cycle of life, etc., and other
    related things — that some may call “spiritual”. Although FF has stressed
    that the TC is not hidden in a cemetery, I have recently had a thought
    about the phrase “brave and in the wood”.

    FF has said that the TC is not in a dangerous place. I take this to mean
    that it’s not PARTICULARLY dangerous, compared, to, say, strolling
    through a “statistically-average” county park. In other words, one would
    not have to rappel down a cliff to get to the hidey place. He was quick
    to point out that any place can be dangerous under some circumstances.
    In other words, don’t trip, fall, and break your hip . . . or the like.

    So why would one need to be BRAVE? Aside from the reference to
    Native Americans, I’m thinking in terms of courage. But if physical
    danger is not excessive there, then perhaps he is thinking of some
    place that is “spooky” or “scary” for other reasons. Hold that thought
    for a few seconds, okay? . . .

    . . . Now, I remember in TTOTC, FF talked about sneaking out of his
    bedroom at night, and going alone into the local cemetery. He said
    that “It took guts to go in there . . .”

    Even though this was specifically at night that he went in there alone,
    he brought up the fact that (for many people), a graveyard is — or can
    be — a scary place. It does put many people ill at ease, even during
    the day.

    I think there may be a mental connection between a graveyard and
    the place where the TC is hidden. Perhaps something that reminds
    him of a graveyard. Just a thought. If this “holds water”, then that
    part of TTOTC may be considered a small hint that bolsters my solve.

    My last BOTG search indicated to me that this thought has some
    validity, based on what I observed there. It’s way different than what
    is shown by a map, and this is one reason that a BOTG search can
    be so valuable, after an at-home-on-the-computer search, at least
    regarding the last clue(s). The visual experience for me was quite
    striking, during the middle of a cloudless day. Not scary to me, but
    at the time, I wasn’t carrying the memory of having been in a war in
    which many thousands of people were killed. I think the fact that FF
    has said that “My War For Me” is the most important chapter in the
    book TTOTC supports these ideas of mine.

    Although I’m not “anti-adventure”, “anti-travel”, “anti-vacation”, or
    anything like that (in fact, I think hiking is a great thing to do), I am
    painfully aware that it’s typically expensive to take a long trip. So
    I suggest that a searcher do the analysis of the poem — in
    excruciating detail, like I did — before hitting the road. Even with
    all my analysis, in which I have a high degree of confidence, I have
    so far made two search trips, both toward the final “search zone”,
    and still haven’t seen the TC. I think I’m on the right path, though,
    and hope that my next search trip (probably in the spring or summer
    of 2017) will be the lucky one. In any case, the first two trips were
    quite enjoyable, informative, and very scenic. And, unfortunately,
    also expensive.

    The above is just my opinion. Yours may differ.

    Good luck to all searchers. Please be safe.

  41. There are dense or sparse trees almost everywhere in the Rockies. The TC may be in a small grove of perhaps 15 trees, in an otherwise sparsely-treed area. Although this would tend to conceal the TC, the location is so out-of-the-way (remember that FF has said that there is not a human trail “in
    close proximaty” to the TC) that people won’t be going there “randomly” —
    that is, not as searchers on the Fenn hunt — , for hundreds of years. But
    the fact that there is a grove of trees of a good size suggests to me that the ground is stable and not shifting very rapidly. So maybe the TC won’t move around much very soon. A good place for it to be, if FF wants it to still be
    there a thousand years from now. Since it’s not on a mountaintop, it’s not
    likely to be hit by lightning. In fact, there are no highly-dense forests near
    here, that are dense enough, in my opinion, to spread a fire to the location
    where the TC is. I think FF did a great job in finding a secure, “safe”, and
    stable out-of-the-way location for the TC.

    The above is all just my opinion. Yours may differ. Please stay safe.

  42. I finally found some wood you have to be brave in. My solve led me right to this spot and the hair stood up on the back of my neck when I came around the corner of the creek. Unexpectedly my headlamp exposed a bright shiny blaze submerged in the middle of one of the tunnels. (Referring to my pic). Although my heart was pounding out of my chest, of course I did not find a chest. Maybe that blaze needs better inspection. It’s amazing what we find in all our searches. You can make the poem fit in whatever your mind can dream up. This is roughly my 20th BOTG trip searching MT, WY, and NM. Like many searchers, I am still confident in my latest solve and plan on more investigation of the area. Everything just fits, just like everyone else’s does. Have had such a great time getting out there and turning over a few logs. I love reading the blogs. Some wild rides going on out there. I have been somewhat of a scavenger on Dal’s blog over the last 3 years and hope to join in the fun more often and maybe even contribute something. You know how think you have a tasty tid bit of info, that you feel so strongly about, and want to share, but after all the time, research and BOTG you just can’t part with? I’m working on it. I guess like most folks I was hoping to share those things when the time was right. When I have found the TC. Maybe solo isn’t the way to go after all. Just needed to vent a little. That’s 2 minutes of your life you will never get back, and for that I apologize. Best of luck everyone!

    • Would you mind sharing what general area your solve is in? I’m in the camp that thinks there is a good chance it is buried.

      • In the vicinity of YNP. I somewhat agree with buried. I have spent a lot of time in remote places and every time I have had that feeling that I may be the first person ever to stand in this spot, I am disappointed to find the contrary. That being said, I think it would be almost impossible for something like a TC to be just sitting in the open, anywhere an 80 year old would go, without someone eventually stumbling on to it. My guess is the chest is covered by rocks or in a small hole of sorts and then covered. I’m pretty sure Fenn said that no tools are need to recover the chest.
        Best of luck in your search.

  43. Brave and in the wood has a “special place” in New Mexico, that to my knowledge hasn’t been touched yet. Part of my “wood” incorporates an original 2500 acres. Just my opinion about wood. This is my first post after several boots on the ground searches. I’ve read both of f’s books over and over along with some other search tools and books. Checking to see if my post here will work.

  44. JC Cheyenne is on the map, check the lower right hand corner off the chase map for Wyoming. Plain as day says Cheyenne on my map!

    • If you are interested in searching other parts of Wyoming, I have a very specific solve that I would love for you to check out for me. If you could be interested, please email me at jlayten at bellsouth dot net. Thanks!!

  45. I have always thought that the statement on the map that says that the treasure will be found somewhere in the highlighted areas of the map to mean that it would be found on BLM land. BLM land is highlighter yellow. That’s why I stopped looking around Cimarron Canyon in NM and found my alternative solve in WY. Thoughts?

  46. JBL it does say highlighted but then……..f has been known to s..t..r..e..c..h…just a bit. Cheyenne is not far from the highlighted area. I suppose it would depend on the way you walk in….or around.

  47. The “Wood” can only be seen from an airplane, or Google Earth but cannot be searched. The Wood is belly high grass meadows inscribing the word “Wood” through the forest. You’ll find natures symbol of a ZPU in the W but Skippy’s Model-A has been removed from the d. But these are simply waypoints on the way to the treasure. The map on page 99 shows where the ZPU is and the treasure in the distance further down the canyon.

    • William;

      Being an “Old Geezer” of 74, I can not make heads nor tails of your post.

      If “wood” is belly high grass, why can’t it be searched. If it is inscribed with the word “Wood”, how would that last even 6 years, much less hundreds or thousands?

      What the heck is “Natures symbol of a ZPU in the “W” but Skippy’s Model-A has been removed from “d”. I can not decipher what ZPU – W or d mean. Please explain it so that an Old Geezer like me can understand what you are saying. You could very well be correct in what you say, but if only the youngest searchers can understand what you mean, you are missing a BIG audience.

      If I google ZPU I see a Russian anti-aircraft gun. I see two “cannons” of some kind from the Viet Nam era – are these your ZPU’s? HELP! Thanks JDA

      • I just happened to have watched a YouTube video by William and the ZPU is exactly as you described, but is a rock formation.

      • ZPU is the .50 cal anti aircraft gun that shot him down. Wood is only a word, it starts with a w and ends with a d. The grass is the ink that writes the word wood. If there were lots of trees in the wood you could not go far in that model A. Look up driving Skippy on youtube.

  48. And in the hew wood dig ivey out it let to the gold. I thought poem said, “and in the wood i give you title to the gold”. Any one else find this in poem? There’s also B-U tees of art on walk in the not far line. Interesting indeed!

  49. For my solve I just deciphered an “X” marks the spot recently – not a general area but exact lat./long. coordinates, the first time I have had one since joining the chase in 2015. I have made 2 BOTG searches to my general area. IMO the only thing left for me is what “in the wood” means exactly. My opinion is that when you solve the clues and go to your “X”, brave and in the wood THEN comes into play, like a hollow tree stump, etc. “Worth the cold” is something I identified on a Topo map, and is a confirmation to me that I am in the right place – a hint as opposed to a clue, and I also believe that’s what “in the wood” is. Since we have already taken the chest in the 4th stanza, I believe the 6th stanza contains hints but not actual clues. Forrest has given several hints over the years and it’s my belief that some hints are in the poem itself, in addition to the nine clues.

  50. brave and in the wood: very likely is referring to being in a canoe or a small row boat. Doesn’t have to be wooden of coarse but being in alluminium or in the fiberglass is sort of a dead giveaway. Canoe would be my choice of paddle craft and as for someone with little to no experience in a canoe it could be a scary experience where one would need to be brave. Being in the woods or just in a thicket doesn’t seem to require bravery to me. good luck

  51. Barry, I don’t think it is that simple, or that Fenn expected seekers to have a canoe with them. IMO it means, that if you are at a match-point of the poem-&-place, and you find a title or name of something there, it directs you to the ‘there’ place in stanza one. (Doesn’t matter if the match-point “wood” is a canoe, a cabin, a copse of trees.)

    Ex: Lets say you figure out tired & weak & listen good & the worth of cold … and that knowledge brings you to an old 1 room wooden school house. Inside you notice an old picture of Kit Carson over the door …. maybe you find other evidence that Carson was the name of the school … that name or ‘title’ …. could direct your next step, to the “there” in stanza one. IMO.

    • OS2…..Fenn didn’t walk back to his “canoe”, but his vehicle.

      This alone shows that one does not need a river ride to get to the final destination.

      I’ll stay on a trail.

      • Tim, did you even read the preceding paragraphs? Do you have some ungovernable response imperative that overrides comprehension? I don’t get your logic. I don’t think Fenn used a canoe, or even a light inflatable. I do think those people who do, might find suggestible that photo of him by a lake, standing by a car with a boat on top. Would scrutiny of his actual words leave an option that the two trips from the car were: one with a ‘canoe’ and one with indulgence? Many places you can drive a car quite close to a river. Personally, I think thats a long shot.

        • I did read the post. I just don’t agree with it.

          FF said he laughed on the way back to his car after placing the chest in its location.

          That alone states that the final search does not require a boat, a canoe, a kayak, etc….”there will be no paddle up your creek” is another indicator that you will be walking to somewhere.

          But again, I can only speculate because I don’t have the chest. This is literally a “To each their own” type of search. If you think you need to be on top of the water to get to where-ever Indulgence rests…..then so be it….please be safe and take two things with you…..someone else and a life preserver, okay?

          IMO – I don’t see a fly fisherman using a boat or canoe to get to a river that they love to fish in. Granted, that may not be true in your solve….but statistically, most fly fisherman will drive to a region, and then walk to their honey hole.

          Did FF use statistics? Probably not, but statistics usually pan out to be fairly helpful in moving in a certain direction.

          Now that being said, I highly doubt FF took one trip with a canoe and then went back to get the chest and rafted his way “up a creek”.

          It does not have the logic to fit. IMO – clues overlap in some ways. This one seems to not fall into that structure.

          “From there it’s no place for the meek,
          The end is ever drawing nigh;
          There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
          Just heavy loads and water high.

          If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
          Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
          But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
          Just take the chest and go in peace.”

          Nope….I just don’t see it, sorry.

          • I’m not sure either way Tim…Be thought like you at times, but also at times I think about my trip to Pike’s Peak last summer. We parked across the street from the Cog Railroad and took the train up…We had called in advance to be dropped off at the stop halfway up and picked which train (based on time) we wanted to scoop us up on the way back down. Technically we took two short (train) trips from our car (automobile) from start to finish.

            When we headed back to our car we laughed and talked about all the fun we had on our hike to Minnehaha Falls while riding the train back to our car.

            On from Ohio and we have a little Island out here called Put-In Bay. I has the Peace Memorial and fishing and other stuff to do out there. You take a ferry over. When it’s time to “head back to the car” that usually means the last ferry is about to leave. On that trip back we can laugh, eat, and kick back.

            There’s plenty of stuff like this in the search area like the ferry over Jenny Lake in the Tetons, or Browns Ferry the old steamboat, or whatever.

            I dunno. Not saying these are what he meant, just that his word choice and especially for me the use of “trip” and “car” can lend themselves to many interpretations without even really needing to bend the definitions so I try and keep an open mind. Even Car could be a rail car itself you rent your seat on.

          • You’ve delved deeper into that phrase than I have, and have brought in some good points.

            I think I will have to discount the “ferry” thoughts, because, I really can’t see FF lugging around the chest when other people “may” be present.

            He did this in secret and would have required him to ensure the secrecy is followed to the letter.

            Good thoughts though…..I’ve noted them, but I think they are not the actual happenings that occurred.

            Best wishes!

  52. I’ll add another comment… I don’t think ‘wood’ actually refers to the organic substance of cut wood… that substance (boat, cabin, bridge, etc., is not likely to last 1000 years.) I’m one of the few who lean toward either living wood or petrified wood… there are trees in the Rockies that do live for thousands of years. And also, ‘wood’ can mean something totally not wood.

    • Hey OS! What do you think about this?

      So hear me all and listen good, (Because it is important)
      Your effort will be worth the cold. (Your effort – will get- the gold)
      If you are brave (You must go beyond your comfort zone/yet completely safe)
      and in the wood (To this place associated with “wood”)
      I give you title (legal permission to retain)
      the gold.

      Does that work for you?

      • That can’t be it…come on man…that is just so impossibly…I like it. Didn’t someone say that things get easier further along ? You better copyright that one LMN…the cat blogglers are coming.

        • Ken, I got pretty confused between your comments, “That can’s be it…&%@$…I like it.” Even more confused about what is copyright worthy and totally dumbfounded at what “cat blogglers” might be. Perhaps, you are politely calling me an idiot…maybe?

      • I think most searchers think that. I think that it is true… but it will be true only on your last trip around those paddle-wheel stanzas. The first or second time around, the meaning is different. You have to get the whole “flow” of the poem and its messages…. IMO.

      • If you are brave and in the wood (you hit the wooden bullseye) with your arrow or dart.

    • OZ2;

      I use five different definitions of “The wood” in my solve, and ALL of them relate in one way or another to trees or groups of trees. But that is just me. JDA

    • OS2,
      I always appreciate your comments and thoughts and also your research. There’s no doubt that you are a very serious searcher and thinker.
      The only reason I’m posting is to ask a question that your comment brought to mind. I myself considered the petrified tree idea an still will not rule it out. At one point didn’t FF say that the TC is not in a petrified tree?
      I’m only asking because you seem to have a much better handle on this “chase” than I do.


      • Hi Kanafire. I wish I could live up to your kind remarks, I’m a dabbler more than a serious searcher. I’ll never get out to search, but I enjoy trying to figure out the poem, — As for petrified wood, I don’t recall anything Fenn actually said about it. I may have missed it. I don’t keep records of his words & I don’t follow any other chase blogs. But I think that if you’re brave, you’re not petrified.
        Good luck in your quest. OS2

  53. According to Google, one of the meanings of “wood”=
    “an area of land, smaller than a forest, that is covered with growing trees.
    “a thick hedge divided the wood from the field”.

  54. I feel FF was just being hip using wood because it rhymes with ‘hood’ like my hood is the wood(s)…..IMO

  55. “I’ve done it tired”
    Could it mean, “I’ve done it with tires on?” In other words, “I’ve done it in a car?”

  56. Interestingly one synonym of “wood” is “chase” which is like a wild game area. Interestingly f said you would see animals in the chest area, I’d imagine you will see animals most everywhere in the wild, but perhaps a chase is an avenue worth pursuing.

  57. interestingly, wud is also a word meaning insane, or mad… which is where i’ve been heading with my years of pages of drawings and notes on this chase.

    in regards to “in there” also relating to “in the wood,” :

    it makes more sense to me, for several reasons, to start…
    as i have gone alone in peace…

    however, they all could work.

    as i have gone alone in there
    as i have gone alone in the canyon
    as i have gone alone in below
    as i have gone alone in peace
    as i have gone alone in the wood

    but don’t mess with the poem.

      • so many things to be sure of…

        no, i don’t have “in the wood,” like you.

        do you have the hourglass, kite, fish and/or bow?

      • “The wood” is not a requirement to find the chest . As it is past the 9 clue mark . So it may be some of those not helpful words forrest had mentioned .

        • but what about the hourglass, kite, fish, and/or bow? i have all 4. or the specific small lake i will not mention in yellowstone, or the el camino real map “of the interior” = in there, or in there = 89 wyoming or a million other things… i don’t always say much, but i’m always here to say to everyone: please stop wording things like you know… cause you may not. and if you really do know, just don’t post… to patronize.

          • I am glad you have a million things in mind . You only need to solve 9 clues though . Ignore my confidence if it makes you feel better .

          • actually, Ya-Sha-Wa,
            there have been things you’ve said in the past couple years… you one of the few searchers i’ll click to read comments…
            and you’re not everyday, but like me… you post a lot in a short period of time, then nothing. i actually do believe you may know… something… what, i’m not sure. but don’t discount me.

          • I do not discount you at all. Actually I have an understanding with the having a million things in mind as my mind works that way also. I wish you the best and truly I do !

      • dear JDA and Ya-Sha-Wa,

        you are both so sure of what “in the wood” is… i am not doubting either of you, especially because i’m not sure of anything. and i do not wish to know what either of you think it means, as i have my own ideas.

        JDA has been very open with the fact he is searching WY, but not in YNP. Ya-Sha-Wa, forgive me, i have forgotten which state you are searching…

        is it possible you both have the same “in the wood?”
        is it possible you both have a different “in the wood?”
        have the 2 of you ever clarified?
        just wondering.

        • I have no idea where Ya-Sha-Wa is searching and we have not communicated by email, I doubt that we are searching in the same area, but one never knows. JDA

    • Hey Leigh,
      You seem to always come up with some interesting ideas and for some reason I can’t ignore them. Here’s something that I put in my head 2 years ago and it is finally paying off.
      Forrest said: ” don’t mess with my poem”. OK. What if he means when you think you have the answers and your solve is complete then and only then he means don’t mess with my poem. In reality to get a solve we have to mess with the poem, and when we get a answer that sounds good to our solve it goes into the order of the poem..After all f has 24 lines and 6 stanzas but only 9 clues. That’s why some of the stanzas have 1 sentence and others have 2 sentences. If the poem has a period then what ever it says before that whether it is 1 sentence or 2 is what you use to get the clue. Then if you think you get the right clue check it to TTTOT and see if there is a hint in there to confirm it…
      Be safe

        • Might I add that forrest said there may be punctuation errors in it . I am not going to look back for reference so take it as you will whether or not to be fact .

          • Yashua…
            Maybe you should go back and look for that reference you claim!… I never heard fenn say anything in or about the poem has/may have/ ‘maybe punctuation error in it’.
            Yep, go back and find it…

          • while i do not remember a specific reference to the poem having errors , he did say in one of those book store interviews that he often misspells words intentionally, but that was a general statement about his writing as a whole.

          • Ya sha wa, You stated ~ “Might I add that forrest said there may be punctuation errors in it .”

            This would be important information if it was remotely true.
            So the direct question is ~ Your statement says, “fenn said”, and if so, where is the quote you are referencing from?

            Part of posting requires backup on comments when admittedly stating “fenn said”

            Rule #2. “Support your quotes. When quoting individuals, including Forrest…make certain your quote is accurate and try to cite the place where the quote came from…provide a findable reference for the quote so others can evaluate for themselves what may have been intended by the speaker.”

            Sorry bud, you have not “qualified” the necessary condition to your statement at all.

        • LOL!! Well, Ya-Sha-Wa (does that translate to something meaningful, or just gibberish?), it really doesn’t bother me how you interpret non-existent statements by Fenn.

          But someone who is new to the chase might take your comments as factual, when Fenn never said what you have stated. So, I guess I’ll have to take your statement as non-factual…..kinda like a 9 word solve, maybe??

          As Seeker recommended, perhaps you should look back for the reference to see if you can find and reread it??

          Good Luck to Ya, Ya!! 🙂

          • In my world you are entitled to your opinion . But let’s get this straight ! If the rule is nobody can claim they have solved the poem then punctuation is not known to be exact to what the actual solve is and therefor those using the theory of what is a sentence and what is not based on punctuation is misleading . Fair is fair for everyone or no one at all . Just saying I qualified my statement and JDA did not .

      • hello timothy. thank you! i appreciate that, as i come in and out of writing here… that is an interesting thought- in fact, in the past couple of weeks i am on that very thought- so far i can only find it specifically working in stanza 2- and i’m not sure about anything… but i do find it odd that some of the patterns repeat themselves, like the one from stanza 2.

        Now i’m actually drawing on the poem itself- this is where i personally believe, and completely my opinion only, f means don’t mess with the poem- if you write the poem on a sheet of paper, all of the alignment is off… so i print the poem from the book, and try all possible directions. i’ve found many things in 4 years, as i wrote… one, all or none may be right- or i’m not supposed to draw lines on it at all- but now i found 2 mountain like looking lines that are exact matches- mountains or fishing poles, not sure. still trial and error…

      • Timothy! I’ve tried posting my response 4 times… if this one works, i’ll try to post original one again! but thank you so much, and yes i do have a better response than this one… will try again. best. leigh.

        • i don’t get it… i’ve tried like 10 times. i’m going to rewrite it, or rearrange or change some words to see if that makes a difference- cause if this one goes through, I’m at a loss

          • I was having trouble yesterday too leigh… Dal said its a rouge spam filter… Seems its still running amuck… 🙂

          • urg, thanks spallies- i just rewrote the whole thing, forgot to copy it, tried to post aaaad didn’t go thru again… i don’t know 13 times maybe… variations.

            Timothy hope you’re reading this- i really am trying to respond to you!

  58. I believe that brave and in the wood has 3 meanings. The first and obvious one is that you will be in the forest where the chest is hidden. Another word for brave is steel. In the wood refers to the rings in a tree, so you have steel rings, which Mr Fenn mentions. There is also a useful anagram if you use all the letters in that line of the poem. I will let you ponder on that anagram.
    All the best .

    • John, can you cite the sources… where another word for brave is steel, and where Mr. Fenn mentions steel rings.
      (in some lit & poetry, brave means tall or enduring…. the brave waves (tall), flag bravely waves ( tall & endures) etc. Thanks.

      • I’m thinking brave and steel may, indeed, be worth a look. In my years I have heard comments like, “steel yourself….”
        McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
        . Steel and rings…could it mean an old barrel?

      • OS2 –

        I think Brave can be Steel as in resolute. Steel yourself against the gale.

        Really Brave can be rather expansive.


        • Brave is such an interesting word… courageous, or red poppy bravura?
          Is the “screaming voice” in SB164 the “Hear me all” of stanza 6?

  59. So…last night I asked my wife if she would like to share her ideas about tarry scant with marvel gaze…I quickly informed her I had done the dishes and even put them away this time. Without looking at me…she quietly told me that the line meant exactly what it says….? huh? Before I could even say a word…she added…you know that next part about listening good ? You’d be smart to pay attention to that…or I’m gonna show you a whole new meaning to cold. So…here I am…scheming up how I’m gonna ask her about all that brave stuff and in the wood….I’m a little bit nervous you know.

    • I like the way she thinks…..keeping it simple…..very simple.

      Forrest said too. Why bother with long drawn out explanations of something you aren’t sure of.

      One thing that comes to mind when you keep it simple… is straight forward thinking.

      FF seems to be this kind of guy as well.

      Oh….one could come up with archaic meanings of the words, and even apply them. Remember – in antiquity, some words were used very commonly and thus, also a simple way to say things.

      Keeping it simple will give you many more options.

      Keeping it simple is also “from the mind of a child”.

      Keeping it simple is how the chest will be found.

      This quote by FF also seems to fit the scenario as well….”don’t mess with my poem”. I think Forrest wants us to read the poem to find the simplicity embedded in it.

        • six years is nothing when we consider how long it took for Fenn to do this…let alone the fact that he expects this to last way longer than we all expect…1000 years maybe.

          • LOl….good questions.

            Money and time are key factors. Distance to my search area is only about 1100 miles away, but that too costs.

            So I sit and just dream.

            Am I ready to end this?…..darn tootin’. :o)

            Will I be the one?…..I can only hope, just like the others.

            IMO – I do believe I have information that no other seeker has, that has helped me on my search.

            I hope it pans out when I finally am able to have my boots on the ground.

            But I think I have to change all of my dreams now – I just got word today that the company I work at will be closing down in June 2017.

            So my searching skills have been changed to look for a new job!


            Good luck to you!

          • Same to you Tim…good luck! Hope you find a new job before June…job hunting stinks. Fortunate for me…I fired myself a month or so ago and have been goofing around the house. I hold no animosity towards myself…but realize that I need to get cracking pretty soon before my wife notices that not much is getting done around here.

          • LOL

            It truly sucks. I think I have to start selling off my personal Pop Culture collection, just to fund my loss, and/or if I plan to do any future trips to MT.

            Be safe out there, and always know you should NEVER travel alone.


  60. That’s why I keep bugging her. She feigns disinterest…but I think she knows more than she is letting on. In her mind I am just a little boy playing make believe in the woods…and she’s kinda right. That’s why…right after I do the dishes …again…I’m gonna ask her about that brave and in the wood stuff. It may earn me a trip to the couch…but I am persistent.

  61. Last night(almost factual)…I got up the nerve to ask my wife about “…brave and in the wood…”. At first…she did not even look over…and I thought…uh oh, big mistake. After what seemed like an eternity…she sat up straight and looked over with a smile and said…
    Honey…you have been working on this poem stuff for years now and I know you think you have some things figured out….but…if you don’t have the last line of this guys poem figured out I suggest you start right at the beginning and figure things out a little better. Huh…didn’t Fenn just say that? I think she must be talking to this guy or something….back to the drawing board. I think she’s noticing that stuff isn’t getting done around the house…I’m gonna fire up old Hoover and get busy…after I read all of the new posts.

  62. Hello everyone, its been 4 months since my reply. I’m sure 1 or 2 of you have missed me. Ah yes….in the wood. 1) I am sure many of you are following the Trump thing and how the people he chose for cabinet positions are being ” grilled” under oath. They are likely in a “wit-ness” box….of course made out of wood. They are brave and in the wood. 2) Another clue is one that points you to my search area. I’m a fraid knot on telling you this as you would be walking long distances to find THE hidy spot. Forrest once had it out with a guy from a East Coast news paper on the waste of paper in unnecessary columns. It seems by that statement and the last drawing in the book, we live in the MAD ERA. This should be an easy one for all you amigos. I hope that’s politically correct.

        • Thank you Spallies and Dal. After the Fennboree I returned to my spot in July. Thats 6000 miles in 2 months, “I hear ya’ Cynthia from Pennsylvania…thanks again and look forward to Junes Fennboree”……Anyway, your gonna love this one. I came across a little hidden area that contained 2 CHASE lounge chairs, an OLD firepit, two posts for tanning hides, “think Forrests spankings and the fire escape” , and best of all, a dartboard. What does a dart board have to do with anything? The Spanish word for “dartboard” is “diana”…”Indiana Jones club”. The spot is so hidden, I walked past it numerous times.
          Heres one for Michael from Colorado, who pointed out the jar in the chest is likely the big ear bully green olive jar. To me, this is by far the most over looked and valuable item in the chest. IMO, I don’t think Forrest thought he would be around when the treasure is found. As having been in Special Forces, just maybe there are a few things that shouldn’t be revealed quite yet. But Forrest does give us a hint. As some of you know from the Fennboree, my solve involves putting Y in front of a word. Y Taos…White house. The local tourist magazine in Taos is “DISCOVER TAOS”. Disc Over Y Taos. It was I believe, July 29, 1952 that the Washington Post showed a UFO over the White House. Now, I have to wonder, could the spot Forrest hid the treasure be where he encountered a UFO?

  63. Perhaps not so coincidentally, upon waking this morning, I realized that in the wood was the least permanent component of the clue set.

  64. Forrest really got ya’ll on wood, trying to figure out what wood is or what is made of wood. Wood is only a word in this case. The final sketch in the book the bird had to build a nest on the moon because there were no trees in the woods. The bird also represents a bird’s eye view of the wood lacking any wood. If you are brave and in the wood, you were brave to ride in Skippy’s car while it was tied to a buffalo. It was worth the cold because you got wet and had to walk home cold. You didn’t realize until much later how much fun it was so it was worth it. You would not get far being pulled through the forest with trees, so this was done in a meadow where all the trees are gone. There is no wood in the wood, wood is spelled w-o-o-d not desk, not aspen, not trees, not a witness box, think like a bird and look quickly down for this word is you want to find Fenn’s gold.

        • But you do mean on the map/google right?
          I mean you cannot be suggesting that we need to fly over the site.


        • William Gorman,
          I thought, and still, do think the same… birds-eye view. Two things come to mind; an elevated perch. Or viewing a map.
          Although, a while back someone mentioned quick as quick time, or military stepping.
          All marching movements are executed in the cadence of quick time (120 steps per minute), except the 30-inch step, which may be executed in the cadence of 180 steps per minute on the command Double time, MARCH.

          Then we also have halt, a military term / usage as well, involving marching. We also have March as a cold month… seems a lot of word usages can relate throughout the poem… Multiple Meanings and usages… but I digress, maybe what is needed to be done at this point in the poem is, pace out steps, in the month of march, from the marker / blaze / light direction 120 paces. Oh, Nigh to be used as left or west in this matter.

          LOL just thoughts… I have many. Just wish I knew where to start.

        • I am of the impression that look quickly down is a reference to descent. Descent is usually pretty quick versus the climb up. Maybe you can’t go up the creek so you have to get up there a different way and when you do get “up the creek” and find the blaze you need to decend back down to get where you couldn’t from below.

          • Bill-
            I thought you said no one could figure out that we were in on “it”.
            This person must be prevented from telling more truths…
            Also, this person must be prevented from ever holding a video camera again.
            I am feeling massively seasick after watching that video.
            Excuse me..I have to run now…

    • May be… William Gorman. Are you the same Gorman on the Facebook with the short clip of the gulch with fallen trees etc….with the commentary? Just curious…

      • Thank you Jda,
        If you are brave (as an indian). Let’s try & figure out which tribe.
        Plenty to choose from considering the areas.

        “In the wood” could mean the actual tribe.

        Luck is good for staying safe & not finding the treasure.

        • You are correct Jake. I knew the tribe months ago, and yes, there were several possibilities, but only one in my area. “In the wood” COULD mean the actual tribe, but it doesn’t, at least not in my solve. Happy hunting – “In the wood” – JDA

  65. “quote” wikapedia

    The page “In the Wood” does not exist.

    ” in the woods” is the correct term
    why does fenn say in the wood ?

    • Perhaps an archaic form of the phrase, or possibly a Spanish translation, such as “La Madera” [ the wood] or La Madera Canyon” [ in the wood Canyon ].

      Just my thoughts…

      • Thanks William Gorman,

        Great observation…. but what does it mean… to The Flyer?

        What does it mean to you?

        Just asking?

        • IMO (from researching) some clovis groups typically migrated to areas where they could find certain types of trees suitable for building their canoes out of lapped strips of the pliable wood and bark. I believe the spot is one of those areas. The men were woodland braves.

      • Maybe it was just part of his dream? I’m not sure if there is a connection. but something to note.

      • From one Bill to another Bill, …Bill, I.M .O., look at the sketch like this. The dove is a woudl’dov. The wood is Madera , Spanish for wood,”Mad Era”, refering to how we live in a mad world. Forrest once commented on the waste of paper a major newspaper company used in meaningless columns . And “brave”….easy, Not Ckcken. . mmm “Beef, it’s whats for dinner!” Now whats worth the coaled?

    • RWM,

      “Wood” is a copse is a grove is a stand of trees,
      finite in number (as opposed to endless “woods”).
      To search in endless woods might be unproductive,
      but to enter a stand-alone grove of trees (a wood)
      that can be seen on GE before you leave your house
      might be productive. Perhaps a grove of trees bordered
      on one side by the road, on the opposite side by the
      creek, and on either end by a clearing would fit the
      bill. FF has said “in the wood” because that’s where
      the treasure was hidden, It’s a very useful clue, imo.
      It also signifies quite clearly to me that the treasure
      is not in the water. It’s in the wood. It’s surrounded
      by trees so he said.

      See the story about the Brownies and their wood if you
      The South Atlantic Media Services Sentinel Vol 5
      Issue 13

      I hope this is helpful.

      • So many ways to cee this one. As La Madera means wood. But, “If you are brave and in the wood” …..Robert Williams Wood, “or William Roberts Wood” invented the U.V. “BLACK LIGHT” ,so in effect, you can be in a beam of Wood.

  66. What if it is not referring to “The hard fibrous material from a tree or shrub” or “An area of land, smaller than a forest, that is covered with growing trees.”? (or “to cover with a growth of trees or plant with trees”). Other meanings of ‘wood’:

    *Wooden barrels used for storing alcoholic drinks.
    *A golf club with a wooden or other head that is relatively broad from face. *A shot made with a wood.
    *Another term for bowl.
    *Have the wood on. (Have an advantage over.)
    *’Knock on wood’ or touch wood. (for luck.)
    *Out of the wood (or woods). (Out of danger or difficulty.)
    *Grant Wood. (Painter).
    *Violently mad (archaic)

    Or maybe it means something else entirely.
    Sometimes you just can’t see the wood (or ‘Forrest’) for the trees!

  67. Agree with you randawg…there is a good possibility more obscure meanings of wood may apply. They do in my solutions.

      • I’ll disagree.

        “if you are brave and in the wood”

        This line of the poem references a location that requires the seeker to be “brave” or have courage to enter the location. One could also think that the previous line (“Your effort will be worth the cold”) is a reference to the location as well, but also a possible hint to the avg temperature of the location.

        IMO – “in the wood” is a direct reference to the wilderness or forest.

        But being that this line is in the last stanza, I only find it to be a reference to the quest and an “after the fact” comment….thus a hint and not a clue.

  68. There are 4 open ended poem lines. He didnt use a period or comma because open ended questions or poem line are those that require more thought. They ask the respondent to think and reflect. They hand control of the conversation to the respondant. An open ended poem is simply a poem that has an ending that is open for interpretation. For example: “if your brave and in the wood” ask yourself how do you get in the wood? Well to get inside there would have to be a fissure or crack to get inside the wood. You see it’s open for interpretation and requires more thought. That is just an example. I know what he is discribing and im not ready to tell.

    1. As i have gone alone in there
    2. Begin it where warm waters halt
    3. So why is it that I must go
    4. If you are brave and in the wood

    Fishing to tell.

    • Why? the word in the poem is wood… the topic of the thread is about the line/part of the poem that contains “…in the wood”

      You used the “woods” which I’ll add, as many different meanings and usages to the word “wood” and visa versa… so why do you think the treasure is in the woods?
      Where’s the thinking process, the analyzing, the imagination we are supposed to use as tools… can you expand your thought to your comment?

      • The word is there for your interpretation. Fenn used this word and it has a double meaning. When applied to the specific geological site.

        • DRock – I agree that the word is there for your interpretation. In my solve, I have more meanings than just two. One meaning relates to a very large group of trees. A second meaning relates to a smaller group of trees. Since “wood” is singular, it also relates to a single tree, of a specific species. Wood can also relate to sawn boards or timbers, which are usually dried, so that relates to the condition of a particular tree. The TC is also wood-lined, so we now have at least five interpretations of “The wood”. “The wood” also has a very unique definition that is not known by many people that relates to a specific geological area in Wyoming. LOTS
          of interpretations to chose from one, or all…it is up to you. JDA

          • JD..the waypoints he discribes in the poem are specific locations, locations that are going to stand the test of time. GPS waypoints give you a specific place your standing. Fenn does this throughout the poem. He paints a picture verbally and when its applied to the right geological area it desribes a place that is going to be there 100 to 1000 years. When seachers for instant say the HOB is where trout swimm and live is just simply to vague and asinine. WWWH is a place that was built and its going to be there for a long time.

            *Not ready to tell

          • I thought we were discussing “In the wood” – where did this GPS stuff and waypoints enter the picture? Oh well, I guess we all look at the poem differently. NO GPS waypoints for me. I will stick to meanings of words. JDA

          • I think we are looking at it the same way JD. I am just saying the words to the poem are like waypoints to specific areas. Thats it… no hidden numbers or waypoint numbers in the poem. Fenn used words and sentences that paint a picture of specific places its that simple. I agree with you. If you can look at the what ifs and look at the poem with simplicity. You only need the words thats it word apllied to the right area


            The search results list above may give local GPS coordinates, some of which may have been valid for more than 5000 years when lap wood canoes were first made by the first peoples. Before that they may have been valid for 10 to 13 thousand years (b.p.) in North America when the same group sought places where game and fish lived year round near geothermal sites which penetrated the ice cover. To, too, two, tutu.

  69. In the wood means bullseye. So does the word gold. Perhaps a spiral petroglyph is the blaze.

    • Amanda, thank you for the reminder of “In the wood” meaning bullseye. I think I remember that about 1962, I
      a round dartboard. It was made of a large-diameter roll of tightly wound paper, I think. With a core of wood about a half-inch diameter. The core was the bullseye, and was painted red.

      Regarding a spiral petroglyph, I don’t know where that idea
      came from. I suspect that it’s too specific to be highly
      likely. But good luck with it. Also, good luck in your
      solving and searching,

      The above is my opinion.

  70. “In the wood” may well mean the bullseye. The densest part of the target for several shooting sports over the ages has traditionally been heartwood or center wood. Even when dartboards began to be made of other materials such as horse hair, the center was still heartwood because it required a significant amount of throwing force to make the dart stick in the center. Heartwood also could take multiple hits without degrading significantly like the less dense outer layers of a crosscut section of a tree.

  71. I think you all are over thinking! Follow the previous clues, and if you end up in or near a group of trees, the treasure will be there!

  72. I believe is a simple reference to a known location below the tree line of the Rocky peaks. The forest simply lets you know the altitude of the treasure, and I am of the opinion that the blaze is marked on a particular forest trail I would love to hike it should I ever get out West again.

  73. Off Topic : R.I.P. Chris Cornell . Seattle mourns your lose. You were the Godfather of the Seattle music scene. I will miss you.
    On topic : Here is a couple thoughts that might make you think “in the wood”
    1st start with “if you’ve been wise” . Only “you’ve” is UV , “ULTRA VIOLET”. It was invented by Robert Woods . You can be in a “beam” of light. Hence ,”in the Wood beam”.

  74. Considering the overwhelming response to my last post , here is another.
    1st start with ” your effort will be worth the cold” , only cold is coaled…as in char-coaled , and since I believe the final clue to the poem is food /fun and games related , brave means “not chicken”. With a shot of Beefeaters Gin, and a round of darts, or in Spanish , diana . My my, we are certainly living in a mad era ! Just don’t pay attention to the garb age.

    • Seattle, everyone knows that the “Garb Age” came right after the “Renaissance Age”, it was the Baroque Era: Typified by Gawdy Architecture.

      You now know why ff felt like and Architect!

      Furthermore Forrest said to his wife one year when they were invited to a Halloween party: “Dear I will he wear my best clothes and go as a Clown!”

      This guy thinks of everything!


  75. Martha,
    This is our church in the mountains & woods & I expect everyone attending to dress appropriately. No sunglasses & anything modern in our church. Please wear attire that was worn in the early 1900”s or earlier.

    I will have my coon skin hat & musket by my side.
    I hope CH & F arrive soon.

    In the wood.

  76. In the wood, (singular) specific government forest were you brave getting caught- Santa Fe National Forest? Or place named with a specific wood species-Pinyon Mesa.

  77. In the wood = In the forest. Also, the chest is in the trash which is contained by a 1 x 2 wooden frame structure.

  78. Here is a spot that is “in the wood” and one must be, mmm somewhat brave. Just an example of how many possibilities there are to the meaning of “brave and in the wood” . Referring to my Gravatar. It is a series of three identical timbered tunnels that are about 100 yards long and somewhat creepy until you get inside and start walking. A creek spills down all three so there is cold water about ankle deep running across the timbered floor. It is black until you enter then the penetrating light from the other end kind of gives you visibility. Still need a flashlight to see where you are walking. I found a bright shiny benchmark about half way down one of the tunnels. A pretty awesome blaze indeed if you were in my shoes at the time. Still bothers me that I didn’t try to read that benchmark. Look quickly down? With 3″ of water running over I wasn’t able to. I am going back to put it to rest or maybe something will come of it. Funny that one of my solves put me there.
    My point is that you can argue all you want about what “in the wood” means. Could mean anything. My spot is definitely in the wood. I’m sure that there are many places just like this one.
    It is wood,
    You can go into the wood,
    you must be brave ( which is different for everyone),
    there is a blaze,
    the water was cold.

    Try to keep an open mind

  79. This is to redirect a post in the “WWWH” blog….so it is more approriate…

    David – MG wrote:
    “David MG commented on Where Warm Waters Halt….
    Hey, if anyone would buy me a two way ticket to Montana off nearby, all included, I would nicely put a gun against my boss’is head to convince him in peace to let me go find two million bucks. Hahaha I’m not afraid of bears, a true survivor (here i watched all episodes of Bear Grill LOL) and dare devil.

    No, I have no intentions or ambition or possibilities at this particular moment to go and find the chest.

    O, I just came up with an interpretation for “brave and in the wood”.
    FF writes wood not woods. It’s would like for example a pile of wood, trees that fell or have been cut. Woods is like a forest. Wood is another thing. So maybe the blaze is a pile of wood or wood scattered around, and somewhere below the wood, under tarry and gravel or coal, the chest can be found?
    Just an idea.

    Again, good luck and I will be following all I can. Only to hope to read I was on the right end! LOL”


    Hi David….here are some other possibilities for the cryptic “in the wood”

    – like you stated – fallen trees
    ….but also could be….

    – inside a tree log or stump
    – a sawed board or man-made “cut plank”
    – a reference to the book “In the Wood” by Herbert Edwin Clarke
    – old English saying: “draw a pint, and stick the glass behind the [wooden] bar for when Bob shows up later”
    – “an area of land covered with many trees”
    – a log cabin?
    – a small forest?

    …too give you a few more possibilities.

    Good luck.

    There are a couple more “definitions”, but these seem to be more logical than others.

    • The best way to describe the Wood is it is like Nazca cut into the Forest, something only pilots see while looking quickly down. The word wood is cut out of the forest, the final sketch is the lumberjack named Brown who created the art in the woods. His home is his art in the forest.

  80. JDA – are you peeking over my shoulder again?


    I guess….”great minds think alike, huh.”


  81. Wood can mean truth if we take a little poetic license as FF has said he does at times.

    The phrase “can’t see the wood for the trees” you don’t see the truth because you are focusing on small unimportant details.

    The phrase “in the know” you understand, you see the truth.

    If you are not “in the know” you are not “in the wood”, if you are”in the know” you are “in the wood”

    Adding confident (a synonym for brave) gives us a line that says; If you are confident and understand.

    FF has said The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with confidence. This line may just be a poetic way of saying that “additional information” he has given us.

    Is this line just minutia we shouldn’t try and analyze for the actual finding?

    • Chris;

      You asked for comments:
      1) You say, ““can’t see the wood for the trees” you don’t see the truth because you are focusing on small unimportant details. – In the first place, the quote is: “You can’t see the forest for the trees” – It says NOTHING about wood! If you are going to quote something, please quote it correctly, not as you wish it to be to match your point of view. – Just sayin’
      2) so if I read you – If you are not “in the know” you are not “in the wood”, if you are”in the know” you are “in the wood” to you means – If you understand (the poem) you are “in the wood” – or you see the truth because you are not focusing on small unimportant details. (Paraphrasing what you said.)
      What unimportant details should one NOT focus on?
      3) ” Adding confident (a synonym for brave) gives us a line that says; If you are confident and understand. How did we get from “In the wood” = truth; to “in the know” – Understand;
      to confident=brave – to ” If you are confident and understand”
      “If you are brave (confident) and and “in the know (understand)… Understand what??? THAT is the question.

      Does what you say make sense – probably, but without “Knowing” what it is that we must “Understand” – where are we.

      You asked that I respond – I did – Have a great holiday – JDA

      • Thanks for the input JDA

        I can only assume that when I see HOB or anything else that may be a clue I will be confident because i know and understand how the poem relates to that exact step in the solve.

        Can’t see the wood for the trees is accurate, just not used nearly and known as much as can’t see the forest for the trees.

        P.S. looked at your sculpture, very nice work!

        • Didn’t address 2 for you oops.
          If this line only tells us we will know what we are doing while looking it will not really help us solve any clues. It is only telling us we will be sure when we see the answer of the clues. Does not help me solve clues is minutia I would not want to focus on. Same with the last line of the poem which straight forward is a written transfer of ownership (if that is what it means)

          • Regarding the line, “If you are brave and in the wood I give you title to the gold.”

            You say, “If this line only tells us we will know what we are doing while looking it will not really help us solve any clues.”

            WOW do I disagree!! There are several different definitions to “Brave”,
            a state of mind, unfearful, confident (as you said), a Native American etc. MANY options to choose from. Why did Forrest use this term? What definition (among many) does Forrest want us to use? – And in the WOOD.

            Why wood, and not woods, which is a more common usage? What are the definitions of wood (singular) or woods (plural)? Let’s look at a few possible choices:
            “…and in the wood…” = forest… Therefore: It could mean: If I am in a Forest and have found the TC… And, it could mean: If I go in the Grove of Pines (possibly), and find the Treasure Chest…
            Since wood is singular and since
            Wood can reference dried timbers or boards – Could this indicate a lone dried out, dead or fire damaged tree?
            And, could it mean: If I open and look in the wood lined Treasure Chest… Then Forrest will give me title to the gold. – So again – “Will not really help us solve any clues.” Really??? Not in my book. I see this line as a VITAL clue – not to be overlooked!

            There is also one super important definition (very obscure) of “the wood” that tells you that wwwh is a specific geographical area in Wyoming. This IS THE key that gets you started on a correct solve (at least in my opinion). So, to me, this line is THE most important clue in the whole poem!

            “Will not really help us solve any clues.” Really??? JDA

          • Seeker: I believe you know I have no problem being called out for stating something that is wrong. You did it to me a week ago and all I could do is say thanks because I do not want to mislead people.

            When someone wants to say an opinion or supposition is wrong I can ignore it or I can be myself and leave a smart ass response. Sadly I am often to petty to ignore because it is fun for me to be a smart ass.

        • Thanks for the compliment on my sculpture.

          Googled your quote – it came up with your definition, so I guess all is good. I hope that when you do see the elements in the poem, that you recognize them as “clues” that Forrest meant for you to see. JDA

          • I like how you read my comment that starts with the word if, then you type in that comment using the word if, and then tell me how wrong it is by completely ignoring the word if!

          • Chris;

            I see what you typed: ““If this line only tells us we will know what we are doing while looking it will not really help us solve any clues.” Not being an English teacher – I guess that I missed your exact meaning. – It might have been clearer had your line read –
            “If this line only tells us (that) we will know what we are doing while looking (comma) it will not really help us solve any clues.” “THAT” probably is a true statement. – Thanks for pointing out my oversight. JDA

          • Don’t mind JDA any, Chris. He gets into teaching mode after every failed search… IF only…

  82. Hey Eagle, I finally figured out why you asked about broken window ……. you were on a whole different plane than me, big area but good hunting.

      • Hi Eagle, I’ve sent away for some starting literature on the specific topic, will get it in a couple weeks, it’s a new area of study for me & I don’t know if I can handle more. As I age, the holes in my head keep get bigger & bigger and the sand keeps leaking out. I’ll let you know after I tackle a bit of it. Thanks for your reply.

        • No problem OS2. My age is catching up with me too. Just looking for some like minded people to collaborate with. Good luck in your research.

          • Don’t count me out yet Eagle, I would like to discuss further.

            But for now I have a physics Q, from stanza 6, maybe you can answer … its about warm & cold, and wood & stone. Suppose a block of granite is under a tree, just inches from the trunk. If given enough time at a constant cold temperature, sans sunlight and wind, would the heart of a living tree be as cold as the heart of the granite? It sounds like a “special knowledge’ question, but good observers in mountain climes might know the answer too.

          • I do not “Know” the answer to your question. All I can “Assume” is that any living organism – including a tree – has fluids flowing up and down, where-as a stone does not. A block of marble or granite always seems colder to the touch than the feel of wood. Stone tends to retain cold for some reason. The outer surface of a stone will warm in the sun, but the “core” of the stone is VERY slow to absorb the hear from the outer edges – as a stone sculptor, I can attest to that. JMO JDA

          • A tree with no leaves, sunny day in March.

            Wrap your hand around the trunk. If it feels warm, it’s dead. If it’s alive, it will be cool to the touch.


          • So… living wood is always warm?

            I lived in cold urban winters as a child, and seem to recall seeing first snows blanket the ground, but for a brief while, at the earth base of dormant trees it melted … a subtle heat difference. I notice so much less now than I did as a child.

  83. “IN THE WOOD” …Now hear me all and listen good. In FORREST SPEAKS…THE FISHING INTERVIEWS…on this blog (hats off to Dal) under the button POTTERY SHARDS Forrest speaks about how a historical document may hVe been hidden “IN THE WOOD”.Chech it out…might be a “Hint”. Pezce to everyone. -guy-

    • Guy, I could not find or follow :under the button POTTERY SHARDS Forrest speaks about how a historical document may hVe been hidden “IN THE WOOD”.Chech it out…might be a “Hint”.

      Is there something you forgot to tell us in relating this pretty straight forward, even educational, archaeological overview of one of Forrest’s many pottery shard piles, most of ff’s comments there were things I know from years of collecting and finding pottery, new and old in the SW, I know when he said AZ potter was somehow better than NM pottery I would have to say I disagree somewhat, Az is quite a different especially in color and texture but not necessarily BETTER..

      Did you interpret something I missed in that video?


    • that was in “San Lazaro 2″…where he talks about “Pedro” hiding his wooden chest before fleeing from the “Revolt”.
      Fenn found five keys, but no chests…and suggests the historical value if one were located.

  84. To catch a thief you must think like a thief.

    To find a treasure you must think like the one who hid the treasure.

    Get in the mind of Forrest=in the wood! NAILED IT!

  85. The official poem reads-
    If you are brave and in the wood
    Why does Fenn read it as –
    If you’ve been brave and in the wood

    The was a video here that he read it like this, but phone can’t access it now… but there’s a recent video past the 27min mark that has him saying the same thing.
    He also stumbles again on the line before it as well.

    The are vs been can have two big differences. One is you’re in the wood with the chest. Two is you were in the woods in prior clues but now left the woods to be with the chest.

    • Hello W.R.. I believe it may have been a slip of the tongue. If I spoke on camera, I believe I would do the same.

    • (Second try.) W.R., I believe it may have been a slip of the tongue. If I spoke on camera, I believe I would do the same.

      • Pdenver
        The reason I dont believe that applies here is because Fenn recounts all his standard stories the same.
        He stays to script and doesn’t veer.

        On a side note, have you tried clearing your browser history, cleaned, etc so your posts don’t need two?

        • Hello W.R.. Thank you for your thoughts and suggestions. I just cleared them and we’ll see what happens. Some of my posts end up in the trash, so I try to repost them, hence the (Second try.). Dal has been kind to find them and bring them up.

        • (Second try.) I cleared the history before responding, and my original post did not show. 🙁

          • Very odd,
            That’s the extend of my vast expertise.
            My only other suggestion would be to just hurry up and find the TC and get a new device.
            Good luck

    • Maybe “brave and in the wood” means that you are like an Indian scout, or brave, who has followed the signs wisely, and located the new desired campground, water source or whatever. Native scouts followed many signs when leading their people to new places. In the wood just means in the mountains generally, whether in a wooded area or not.

    • I believe that there is a strong relationship between “in the wood” and “marvel gaze”. For me, it evokes the notion of traveling through a forest and arriving at a secluded clearing, where suddenly a spectacular vista opens up before you.

  86. Most forested areas would be called “woods” however there is one specific time when you hear a forested area in particular called “wood” singularly, and that is in reference to the amazing “star tree”, ablaze right now covering the Rockies like chains of goldenergy fleece, that is the Aspen Wood, because all of the aspens in a grove have a common root system, they are all one living organism, spread only by tillers, not seeds.

    In my solve an Aspen Wood grove is quickly down the canyon from the marvel gaze, tarry scant is way easier to understand from there. An 80 year old is not going down into that cayon twice in one day, that is what ff meant by tarry scant IMO.


    • In “important literature” from the Victorian era, a forest (specific) or forested area (in general) was referred to as “the wood”.
      Tom T…will you be firing up the drone soon?

      • Sandy, Monday fur sure, my wife and grandson who is 8 and son who is a pilot will try again to video that Marvel Gaze, wind is our most unpredictable element, but rain on a GO PRO and then it will be a no go. NO SHOW.

        Amazing Place shown in technicolor it’s Star…the awesome Aspen Groves of a billion trees welcoming The Winter of an AMAZING GRACE from my secret place, it has no human trail and no one would believe the view, compare it to the Grand Canyon only with trees like an eternal blazing forest fire.


        • The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long – and you have burned so very, very brightly, Roy.

          Blade Runner 2049


        • I hope it’ll go up, Tom Terrific. There’s a place in New Mexico I wish I could be to see an amazing blaze. My guess is that it should be pretty close to peak by now. I wish to see if for myself rather than online photos.

          • Pdenver
            what is the geography of a map that you predict, as well as many scientist and archeologists, and even the florence scientist who searches for a missing human body.
            would be a map of tree types such as:
            fir pine, douglas fir, needle pine.
            your quest may relate to the altitude of these trees or others by your ff quoted in your book.
            some trees grow at a certain altitude or location below.
            But I’ve been thinking, do not go where someone from the age of 79 or 80 can not go.
            a person depending on their health and age at certain altitudes may have breathing problem and low body immunity, eg:
            if you are 79 and this is below a mountain near a river and a temperature of 32 degrees, then you at 79 years of age decide to climb a mountain on foot or a tram up to 10,500 feet, it is logical that the higher the less air you you have to breathe and the weather can be a cold wind to give shivers.
            so do not go where someone 79 or 80 can not go

          • Hello rhonny. I would agree not to go where a 79-80 year old person could not go. Altitude is important to consider for anyone, especially those who are not use to it. The area I spoke of is approximately 10,000 feet where I wish to see the blaze. It’s seasonal.

          • (Second try.) I agree with what you posted. The blaze I wish to see is seasonal and it’s located approximately at 10,000′ elevation.

    • Good thinking Tom…..

      Here is a wiki quote….

      One such colony in Utah, given the nickname of “Pando”, is estimated to be 80,000 years old,[2] making it possibly the oldest living colony of aspens. Some aspen colonies become very large with time, spreading about 1 m (3.3 ft) per year, eventually covering many hectares. They are able to survive forest fires, because the roots are below the heat of the fire, and new sprouts appear after the fire burns out.


    • This is cute, SL. Just imagine being able to look up and see a star during the daylight. I think it would put a smile on my face each time I saw this.

      • pdenver,

        It’s been reported that stars are visible during the day from the bottoms of mine shafts, tall chimneys, coal pits or……. cisterns.


        • Gosh SL, I hadn’t thought of that. There’s a star where I’ve searched. Forgot all about it.

          • That was last missing piece to the puzzle and one of the first things I wrote in my notes. How could I forget about that?! Thanks!

          • I am working on the middle part of the puzzle and when you said ‘forgot all about it’ that inspired me to go back to my notes and discovered something I had forgotten. Just got excited for second but I don’t think it fits now. Sorry, I’ll try to contain myself better from now on!

          • No apologies needed, KLT. I enjoy seeing people get excited about their thoughts. Just as you, I’ve read things searchers have posted which would trigger a previous thought. Have fun with the Chase.

          • Yes, but dreaming about it helps get me through the not so pretty parts in life – cleaning house, maintaining our land, raising a normal child in today’s world, watching the man I loved for 17 years work 12 hour days and wear his body out in order to provide for his family, and all while trying to keep a smile on my face. A girl needs to dream sometimes. 🙂

  87. Chasers –

    I will be in the recording studio next weekend. A song I’m recording will include this phrase from Fenn’s poem. The song imagines that I met my wife in the 1930s and I use the phrase as it would have been used back then. The phrase can have two meanings and is meant as a double entendre. Here is the stanza:

    Punch my golden ticket
    Drag me further down the line
    Deliver me from evil, and
    I’m in the wood by five


    • I really like the ambiguity & references. Hope the melody is as good, ‘punch’ is a hard word to sing. Will we get a video & sound taste on the blog?

      • Yep, Punch My Golden is going to be really difficult to sing.

        I honestly can’t find a word to replace punch. Punch My Ticket (or your ticket) being a phrase.

        • Stamp my ticket,
          Check my,
          Cash my,
          Depending on the context perhaps void my.
          Theres lots to choose from… or inquire with Fenn, he is the word master.

    • Hey Lugnutz…

      Turn up the amp, click on the fuzzbox, and let’s ROCK!

      Oh wait….that isn’t a country song, is it?


        • I think anyone playing guitar in the mid to late 70s had one, just for that crazy sound. I know my brother had two…..LOL

      • Tim –

        I use a Big Muff pedal on the song. It’s real fuzzy. Helps hide all my imperfections. Sounds cool too.


        • Exactly the one I was thinking of….I love that sound….


          So it isn’t a country tune…..good! Extra FUZZ please!!


          • I recorded the song, Racine Street Blues. I have heard a rough mix but I am waiting on the final mix before we send it to mastering.

            I will make it available on my Soundcloud and link it here if anyone wants to hear it.

            I sang trough a megaphone and I did not mot the brand. It was heavy


  88. Father on the Banco – Bench

    A Geological feature – Bench (I like it)

    Benchland, Montana

    Bench mark – Some pews have the benchmark of a cross

    Bench anchor

    • There is an area NE of Sate Fe east of Taos even that is referred to as the bancos. I don’t think it comes up on the map, you just have to know it.

      From there you just dive down the rabbit hole because you are surrounded by names from the book etc. Moreno creek Hematite creek Red river Fourth of July canyon Tall Pines Bobcat Pass. You have a large double omega.

      Drive yourself nuts out there…

    • SL, IMO, IF there is a hint in that banco story it is dad’s “religious experience” comment … not in the commercial sense of religion but in our biological sense… a debt paid, a job done, satisfaction, personal honor, self-esteem, anxiety relief, peace. ff uses the term “another dimension” but it’s the same philosophers Truth/Beauty/Justice thing (some call it being Spiritual). ff’s connection with nature is very apparent in the Chase, but to me, there is also a strong sense of debt repayment. Or maybe it is just me.

  89. “I was recalling this to my friend Hugh Weidinger one day as we were flying over the New England countryside, some day soon, I said, I must do the book about trees and wood.”
    Eric Sloane
    A Reverence for Wood

  90. In the wood is archery for target. I don’t think it has anything to do with woods. If you are in the wood you are close to the bullseye. Just one of many references to eye

  91. I think brave is just a reference to the area concerning native Americans. Most all of the search areas have ties to American Indians.

    • Amanda;

      I think that you are on the right trail, you just have not thought it through to the END of the trail. You say, ” just a reference to the area concerning native Americans. Most all of the search areas have ties to American Indians.” I think that is more than “Just” a reference. True there are Native Americans (Braves) in each of the four states. Couple the “Brave and In the wood” and it might lead you to a National Forrest that has something to do with Native Americans (Braves). I come up with at least 2 in CO, 2 in WY and 4 in Mt. This ought to get you started. Just babble from an OLD coot – JDA

    • Some don’t consider the pre-ice age North American peoples to be related to the more recent “Native American” Nations. Clovis people have been genetically traced to France. The pre-ice-age tombs I found are at least 13,000 years old, those people were very friendly people waited a very long time for me to find them and wave back at them..

  92. Also I give you title to the gold. Gold is the referring to the bullseye of an archery target

    • Ok so then where might that indicate the TC is? Or another clue? How does the Gold of the bullseye help us locate the treasure?


      • Would you by chance be referring to turning “on” “location”?

        Too many people show up when I have location turned “on”.

    • Amanda and Lugnutz – The Circle.Dot or Circumpunct is the alchemical symbol for GOLD and the symbol of the Egyptian Sun God, Ra. If you’ve been wise and found the blaze?

      My Double Omega Island blaze looks just like this from Google Earth;

      See also: the Eye of Horus Someone previously mentioned Hawkeye, but Horus is a Falcon.

      As I or Eye have gone alone in there…

      • Looks like the guysers. I thought a lot about the spiral hieroglyphs for awhile. I guess that’s why people were so interested in oyo calinte.

      • Falcon’s have a tight focus, but don’t have a key or an eye like hawkeye. l was playing scrabble, you were playing Go Fish. Just a couple of crazy kids.

    • I favor the Native American angle too, Amanda. It just doesn’t seem to narrow down the search areas that much.

      • TomB;

        Somewhere I posted a comment that said to marry
        Brave – and in the wood. This leads to finding National Forests with Native American names, or National Forests with names that could be associated with Native American life. I can easily find 8 in the 4 states related to the search – You might find more, or less. This MAY help narrow the search area. Just a thought Tom – JDA

        • Hi JDA – I think it’s possible that “brave” has nothing to do with Native Americans. My solution has an entirely different reason that one must be brave.

          • And that is why the chase is so much fun. We all see it differently. So, if you will, what do you see as “Brave” being? – Just for conversation’s sake – JDA

          • Hi JDA – I wish I could say but it would reveal too much. It’s hard to keep quiet about it because it fits so well. At some point in the future it will be revealed and I think most of not all searchers will be surprised and amused.

          • Hear me all.- Does your brave have anything to do with Forrest’s Purple Heart and Vietnamese medal of Gallantry, by.any chance? And his Silver Star? They figure into my blaze’s, including the Red Black.Violet trail #207 that is the most straight forward blaze to my hidey spot:

            Here is a complete list of Forrest’s medals he received:


            “My personal contribution to the Vietnam War was of dubious distinction. I had been shot down once in the south of that country and once again in Laos . My reward for all of that was about a thousand dollars a month in pay, a Silver Star, three Distinguished Flying Crosses, a Bronze Star, sixteen Air Medals and a Purple Heart. And then, as I was boarding the plane that brought me home, two South Vietnamese pilots came running up and handed me a small box, saying “We want you to have this.” It was the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry, their country’s highest medal. Although it was not officially presented, I still value it and the appreciation that came with it. Never mind how important those things were to me at the time, they later added up to a big empty. Was there nothing better to show for that year away from my family and risking my life every day? Maybe so!”

        • JDA – Hmmmm. National Forrests. My hidey spot is in the Gallatin National Forest. Albert Gallatin was the Secretary of the Treasury. And it’s near the border of a Montana State Park zone. Montana is the Treasure State. And Osborne Russell’s encountered Blackfeet Indian s three miles into the Cabin Creek rock blazed entrance. What could be nicer?

  93. I took, “brave and in the wood” , brave as a verb, meaning to endure or face (unpleasant conditions) without showing fear: To support this,earlier in the poem is says, “it’s no place for the meek,” as in timid or afraid.

    I believe you have to be somewhat brave to go where most people would be somewhat afraid to go. In my solve it’s not dangerous at all and will be unpleasant because of the terrain. An 80 year old man or a child can go in this terrain and be unpleasant for them to do so.

    Just saying 🙂

  94. I don’t necessarily think the treasure is in the forest maybe close. I do think you will change from one terrain to another during the walk. I think the clues are what you do on the ground and the hints are there to get you in the general vicinity.. Agree or no?

    • Amanda;

      I think that the lines –
      “So hear me all and listen good,
      Your efforts will be worth the cold.”

      – give us our first “hint” as to where to look.

      I think that these two lines point you in the direction of mountains. The question is – Which mountains?

      Followed by:
      “If you are brave and in the wood,
      I give you title to the gold.”

      I think that these lines point to a National Forest that has a name associated with a Native American tribe or Native American lifestyle.

      From here, we have to find out where “In there” is from stanza #1, and then on to Clue #1 – wwwh. JMO – JDA

  95. I don’t agree, smelling pines and seeing animals in my opinion is mountains. As well as his church being the mountains and river bottoms.

  96. I am not saying your not in the boundary of the national forest I just think it might not be deep in the trees. It may just be that the Canyon refers to a valley.

  97. In the wood I take to mean a small clump of trees as in very few trees. A forest has many trees. I don’t believe the treasure is in a stump or log, F I believe said the treasure is not in a tree. Stumps and logs is or was a tree.
    Although the treasure could be hidden amoung fallen trees as in the wood.

    Just in my mind. 🙂

  98. Even without the poem, just from reading The Thrill of the Chase and watching some of his interviews, I see Forrest’s special place as being in the trees along a stream. That just seems to fit perfectly with what I know of him.

  99. Oh K people, corral this one. As I believe in my pinion, my belief is that “in the wood is “Madera”, as in La Madera. Or…..the inventor of the UV light (black light) was Robert Williams Wood. So you could actually be in a Wood beam.
    Hence , “Brave and in the wood” and “If UV been wise and found the blaze”.

    • Hi Forrest, I would like to know if the blaze can be found during the day without a flashlight. Thanks, Ron

      Perhaps your question is wrought with trickiness Ron. Are you really asking if the blaze could be in a cave where it is dark during the day, thus the need of a flashlight? If there is no subterfuge intended in your question then I would say yes.f

      • Seeker @ Tom B
        Check out “A different way of looking at the clues”. I believe the “enclosure” with the chaise lounge chairs, dart board, Fire Pits, Posts Marked and B B Que “greats”, “2 B or not BB, THAT IS THE qUE”. In my opinion, the whole area is the “Blaze”…or B Laz y. Think Deep Purples Lazy. And the FLASH LIGHT and a SANDWICH. Again, my solve involves the Y. ysandwich = Whys and Which. In Spanish “Which” is “Que”, ok?.

  100. There are (4) open ended poem lines in forrest Fenn’s poem. An open ended poem line has no punctuation and it is purposely done by Fenn. He has handed these lines over to the reader to interpret the line. Open ended poem line hands the line over to the reader for them to interpret. for example #3 He doesn’t know why he has to die (GO) so He has handed it over for you to decide where you (GO) when you die whether that is heaven or whatever you believe it is. another example is #4 Brave and in the wood ask yourself how you get in the wood. Fenn left these 4 line open ended on purpose. In order to get in the wood there has to be a (crack) or (fissure) to get inside. after crossing the creek to get to the blaze there was a fissure.

    1. As I have gone alone in there
    2. Begin it where warm waters halt
    3. So why is it that I must go
    4. If your brave and in the wood

    DRock the Solver.

    • Oh no! I never imagined that another would share a similar name on this blog! We now have the problem of the Kens. I guess I’ll have to come up with a unique avatar.

      • It’s down low below the blaze. when your standing and looking at the blaze on the other side of the creek. you have to cross the creek and travel to the bottom of the blaze. which is the (WOOD)

    • He didn’t use a period or comma because open ended questions are those which require more thought. Open ended questions:
      They ask the respondent to think and reflect.
      They will give you opinions and feelings.
      They hand control of the conversation to the respondent.

      An open ended poem is simply a poem that has an ending that is open to interpretation.

      in the wood has required a lot of thought.

  101. Someone told me I was “in the wood” in an off hand manner this morning. I was out with a bad cold for a couple of days. Someone said to me this morning “it’s good to see you lumbering about today”.

    • Sparrow,
      It also represents being in danger, usually associated with an illness and recover.
      she isn’t out of the woods yet.

  102. Robert William Wood was a plein air painter of western landscapes including the Rockies, Tetons, and other scenery outside the search area. At one point, I thought how cool would it be to discover that the 9 clues are hidden in Wood paintings, with the TC “within” a painting of the final clue. Go to the spot where Woods stood as the painter, and by standing in that location, you can find the TC. I could never get much in the way of traction on this train of thought, but I thought it was kind of fun.

    • Cris – it has been mentioned before here (just a commenter), but I agree it has an interesting ‘imagination’ aspect. In a similar thought I pictured one of those 3D diorama/models, e.g. in YNP at the tourist shop at old faithful (not recalling if there is actually one there, just an example)…where you apply the clues and then can go to the box…never ran it to ground tho. Good luck, keep thinkin

  103. My favorite interpretation for in the Wood remains to be Dinwoody.
    It comes from piecing together “anD IN the WOOD I ”
    I am also guessing that the Fenns may ave came and went from Yellowstone through Dubois, WY. This was may have taken them near Dinwoody Park, and more interesting near Legends Rock Petroglyphs. Looking at ancient etchings is one of my favorite hobbies when I get out in the chase. It is my “the end is ever DRAWING nigh”.
    I hope that those who are going to Yellowstone this summer will take the same route that the Fenns went. And, stop by Legends Rock. There are lots of hidey places there.

  104. Oops— looks like the photo changes so the kissing Indians are in only one of the photos. Sorry for the bad information.

  105. In the wood means this to me.

    Nigh – unlocked
    Drawing – actual drawings in Ouaw

    Wwwh – 212….Cooke city…lakes and MTS north of here are all in the book.. Spider lake…star lake etc…etc….Jordan mt…sisters…cathedral…so these pin point my canyon

    Canyon down – start at mt abundance follow stillwater river canyon down

    Hob – nigh mine area big brown smudge…aka football..imagination….follow river and roads as they are drawings….washing dishes….singing

    Lots of possibilities for blaze from here

    Bridge into woodbine


    From coords measure 200 and 500

    All IMO. I have botg here…was alone…had to walk in across bridge because park is closed for RVs till may…Bear traffic high.

    Think lots are close

    • I am having trouble deciding on what to use as canyon down..north south or altitude…hmmm.

  106. Using cover drawing on ouaw points me north south. Anybody have a take on this? Star lake???

    • Hello Sisson09. Ms. Susan Caldwell created the cover for the “Once Upon A While” book.

  107. Wondered how much input Forrest had on all the drawings? A lot of the drawings in the three books portray rivers and roads with use of imagination.

  108. I highly doubt that “in the wood” means your hands are in the wood lined treasure chest. maybe if you could fit your whole body in the chest, I may consider that but that is impossible from where I’m standing.

    I agree with Will Gorman. Plain and simple if you can think that way.
    You’re in the woods and not in a desert which Forrest ruled out.

    Big hint but not a clue cause it doesn’t refer to any small point in the Rockies.

  109. I think it would be a mistake to ignore the word “and”.
    Like “been wise and found the blaze”, can you find the blaze without being wise?
    “Are brave and in the wood” requires two things, I don’t think they should be separated.

    Sort of like bait your hook and put it in the water, you won’t catch a fish unless you do both.

    • The blaze can be found without being particularly wise. But
      it’s not wise to ignore the word “wise” in the poem. All IMO.

  110. I’ve always been of the opinion that the last three lines of the poem…lines 22, 23, 24…should be read in a different manner than what is normally thought if one wishes to properly interpret their meaning and purpose in Forrest’s poem.

    I do not consider these lines to contain clues or hints as such. I know many searchers don’t agree with this and that’s fine with me. We each have our own ways of seeking conclusions about what Forrest may have been trying to convey with his wording in the poem.

    Notwithstanding his unusual punctuation and sentence structure, which I believe had purpose in ensuring his poem contained precisely 9(nine) sentences(which I do believe is an important hint), I think the last three lines should be read and understood in the following manner.

    “Your effort will be worth the cold if you are brave”………….and…………..”In the wood I give you title to the gold”.

    Since we are delving into the phrase “in the wood” in this discussion, my thinking is that Forrest is telling the finder(and all of us really) that the hiding spot is ‘within a national forest’ which is public land and the finder’s claim to the chest is indisputable. “If you can find it, you can keep it.”

    It is simple, it is straight forward, and it is final. But maybe that’s just me………

    • I totally agree sam. I see them as confirmation statements and my solve uses lines 21, 22 and 23 as confirming points of the main the solve

  111. Deep In The Quiet Wood

    Are you bowed down in heart?
    Do you but hear the clashing discords and the din of life?
    Then come away, come to the peaceful wood,
    Here bathe your soul in silence. Listen! Now,
    From out the palpitating solitude
    Do you not catch, yet faint, elusive strains?
    They are above, around, within you, everywhere.
    Silently listen! Clear, and still more clear, they come.
    They bubble up in rippling notes, and swell in singing tones.
    Not let your soul run the whole gamut of the wondrous scale
    Until, responsive to the tonic chord,
    It touches the diapason of God’s grand cathedral organ,
    Filling earth for you with heavenly peace
    And holy harmonies.

    James Weldon Johnson

  112. IMO brave and in the wood . means
    the chest is in a hollow,in a petrified tree.
    brave not petrified (frightend). not a wooden tree a stone one.(that will last along time)
    also it would be wet in the hollow.from water collected in the bottom.
    and you would need to look down into the hollow to see it.
    eden in wyoming. has such a petrified forest.also green river.

  113. I suspect that the TC may actually be concealed in/by a small group of trees (“wood”), which
    is, by common definition, smaller than a forest. Bringing a flashlight could be helpful for searching in/among the trees. .

    • Yes. You are on the right track. Cold, brave, in the wood……think about the connections.

    • And, being in a dark place would also help ensure that the treasure is not found accidentally by one who has not solved the clues.

  114. I have given my complete idea of where I think the treasure may be in the link to “I think the chest is here.” Dated May 11th, and posted by John. Check it out. As for “In the wood”, I think everyone is making all of this far to difficult. Perhaps it has been said before, but in NM, there is a small town named, “La Madera”. The mountains nearby share that name. In Spanish that means “The Wood”. I think La Madera is where the quest starts—check out my solve and if I lead you to the right area, please remember me for half. I DO think I can lead someone to within a stones throw of it, but I am too old and far away to zoom out there all the time, and the altitude is hard on to get used to when you are not used to it. Anyway, good luck, and keep me in mind if I helped…

    • John, it is true that that town of La Madera is a word in Spanish that actually means “Timber” not the word “Wood” however, timber is Wood standing in the forest, so in New Mexico, almost all the furniture, and almost all the frame homes are made of “White Pine or Ponderosa”, now translate that and you get “Los Pinos”, which is a creek that meanders along the border of Colorado and New Mexico, and if you follow it by auto, rather than taking the train, or SUV you must ford it, as in : and at about 10,200 ft elevation it is, like all objects at altitude, very cold. One of the towns along its banks is Osier, Co, right at the border, look up Canasta, and see if Osier fits that definition, better still look up Hwy 285, of 8.25 mnoSF, NM in Fenn Speak.

      Forrest likes to tease us, I think and I can site so many of his quips that just leave you scratching your head and looking for a hint, a clue, well he drops many in my opinion, try looking for “water high” now how can one hide a bicycle in water high? You may have to climb a water tower in a small, abandoned town, like Osier… just heavy loads to ponder…


  115. After much research, I finally have what I believe to be a very solid solve. Everything just falls into place with no need for ‘forcing’ anything to fit. All of my clue solves are places which will doubtfully change very much over the next few hundred years and all are what I would class as simple with no real research needed. I’m amazed that I can find no other reference to the place on any blogs. My thought on the line ‘If you are brave and in the wood’ is that F is referring to a canoe. When asked if any other mode of transport was used, F refrained from answering the question…
    March 2nd, 2015
    Forrest, You said you made two trips from your car to hide the treasure. Besides walking, did you use any other methods of transportation to get back and forth between the car and the hide? Thanks, Edgar
    Edgar, your wording of the question prompts me to pause and wonder if I can answer it candidly, yet correctly. Were all the evidence truly known, and I answered in the positive, you might say I was prevaricating, by some definitions of the word. And if I answered in the negative, you may claim that I was quibbling. So I will stay quiet on that subject. Thanks for the question anyway. f
    Does anyone else feel this is a possibility?
    Living in England means it’s going to be a little while before I can look for myself

    • I think It’s definitely possible mate.
      I also a solve that is super simple and have seen only one vague reference to a similar location.
      What threw me was when I heard about Fenn saying someone had been within 200 ft of the chest, but if they were in a canoe they could easily be within 200ft of my possible location and maybe just chose the wrong riffle.
      None of this should be considered financial advice.

      p.s Rex, heading over to the States in September from Oz.

      • Hey Chris, sounding very similar to my logic there… Had exactly the same thought regarding the 200ft issue.
        All the best for your trip in September.

      • Rexnest, what you stated is a pretty insightful way to propound a workable theory and it is a good as any the Mr Terrific has heard lately, so until you jump the pond and paddle in a Rocky Mountain Stream it give us all food for thought.

        Forrest is a Wordsmith of extraordinary skill and he quips answers with flawless perfection, but ff, given the chance to answer in writing is more than gifted, hes crafty like a fox and clever as a murder of Crows.

        I have a solution for you to read and laugh about so type in Tom Terrific or Winter Thoughts on this web site search line, also see this

        or type in youtube northern new mexico treasure …. click on the train.


        • Hi Tom, thanks for the feedback. Impressed with the level of investigation you have done for your possible solve and couldn’t agree more that FF is an accomplished wordsmith but for some reason, I keep coming back to his ‘keep it simple’ comments.
          I think that the final stanza has hints rather than clues and these all seemed to fit very nicely with my solve, without any ‘forcing to fit’ being applied.
          I too started my search in the NM area but after countless hours (days) of scouring maps of the whole RM area, a solution for a couple of clues was very apparent and a little more detailed viewing came up with very plausible locations for all of what I believe are the clues. What I believe to be the hints, all just seemed to fall into place with the final solve. The only thing that doesn’t ring true is that the distance between the first couple of clues and the final resting place of indulgence. I have seen numerous quotes that clues 3 through 9 must be very close together but these all seem to come from searchers interpretations of the poem and comments rather than statements FF has made. My solve is exactly 10 miles as the crow flies from clue 1 to indulgence.
          I have even located a couple of possible blazes using google maps street view but no answer from FF yet if this indeed possible as I believe when he made the comment about needing to be at the location to see said blaze, Google street view of the spot was not available.

          • Rexnest, in 2010 when Forrest wrote the book and finalized the poem Google Earth had street views that were in transition, not as quality as today’s street views, but ff stated this at 38:01 at Moby Dickens Book Store:

            Questioner to ff: “Is it possible to locate the treasure chest without ever leaving your computer and Google Earth?” ff’s Answer: “No, it isn’t. Did I really say that? There is not a picture of treasure chest on google earth, was that your question?” Questioner; Yeah. I think that will suffice. ff states: Because Google Earth doesn’t go down far enough.

            However he does not say that the BLAZE cannot be seen on GE, just the chest, but he states, Mr. Fenn: How far is the chest located from the blaze? ~ casey

            Casey, I did not take the measurement, but logic tells me that if you don’t know where the blaze is it really doesn’t matter. If you can find the blaze though, the answer to your question will be obvious. Does that help?f


  116. The “In the Wood” problem? This might help people about the final part of poem, the blaze, the idea of the woodcutter, stump, and dove at end of Thrill of Chase, Fenn in scrapbook 98, mentions the song “My Blue Heaven”. Here are the lyrics:

    “My Blue Heaven”

    Whippoorwills call, evenin’ is nigh
    Hurry to my blue heaven
    Turn to the right, there’s a little white light
    Will lead you to my blue heaven

    You’ll see a smilin’ face, a fireplace, a cozy room
    Little nest that nestles where the roses bloom

    Molly and me, and the baby makes three
    We’re happy in my, in my blue heaven


    You’re gonna see a smilin’ face, fireplace, cozy room
    And a little nest nestled where the roses bloom

    Just molly and me, and the baby is three
    We’re so happy in my blue heaven
    We’re happy in my blue heaven
    We’re happy in my blue heaven!

    • Daniel, Ever hear of “Molly Brown” the unsinkable socialite from Colorado?

      When she was crossing the Atlantic on a ship called “Titanic”, where warm waters halted the Titanic with a very large chunck of ICE, she pitched a fit with Captain and Crew about the loss of people in Steerage (economy class) that did not have life boats.

      She was married to a Colorado Mine owner/engineer for which a famous canyon was named. That River in Browns Canyon claimed a searcher for this TC….…………..Eric Ashby


      • I don’t know about that story. It seemed funny to me that the other parties in the raft, one being his girl friend, just went home and acted like nothing happened. You would think she might be concerned about him after the raft flipped and everybody but Eric made it to shore. Nope they all just went home like nothing happened. There was some talk about drugs at the time but who knows. It’s sad that he lost his life but I honestly don’t believe it had anything to do with The Chase. My opinion.

      • Hey-O, TT

        I’m pretty sure Browns Canyon was named after Rollin Brown, an early local rancher, not J. J. Brown (Molly’s husband).


        • Oops, I take it back (a little) –

          Checked my files, and you can scratch Rollin Brown (he’s associated with a whole different canyon altogether).

          On the other hand, I do find “Brown’s” appearing as a place name in that part of the Arkansas River on maps before J. J. Brown ever got to Colorado. But I don’t have any notes on just who the real Brown’s Canyon’s Brown might have been.


          • Jake, there was a gold mine in central Colorado near the headwaters of the Arkansas River it was owned by the Browns, and if we look up famous people named “Brown”, the name “Molly Brown” is very famous, she survived the Titanic and was a human-rights activist, philanthropist and actress who survived the sinking of the RMS Titanic. Brown and her husband moved to Denver, Colorado, after achieving great prosperity through the discovery of gold at one of his mines in 1893. While traveling in Europe, Brown got word that her grandson was ill, and subsequently booked a trip back to the United States on the RMS Titanic, famously surviving the ship’s sinking. She later took up a number of activist causes, including women’s suffrage and workers’ rights, and also worked as an actress. She died on October 26, 1932 in New York City.


            Perhaps the Canyon of the Arkansas was named for an earlier Brown, but the most famous Browns in Colorado was Molly and Husband. To me the put in for perhaps the most famous ship wreck in history included her and the home in Central Colorado, so if we put in below the home of Brown could be Molly Brown. Now which River is in the canyon down?


  117. Hey Tom, thanks again for your input and the ff quotes. While I know Street View was available when the ff made the comment, I don’t believe that you could take a trip down rivers like it is now possible to do. This is how I’ve found what I believe to be the blaze. I’m sure that if the TC was visible from GE than it would already have been located.
    Do you mind if I ask what state your solve is in Tom? Are you still looking at NM?

  118. I’m new to this but here are my thoughts on in the wood. I think I read somewhere that FF worked for the forest service clearing trails in his youth. I’ve also seen people talking about a drawing in TTOTC with chopped down trees and a guy with an axe. This is most likely a reference to his time working for the forest service IMO. This also means he is already most like apt at creating trail blazes or at least is familiar with the way the forest service used them to create tree blaze lines, etc. It seems highly likely therefore IMO that in the wood means within a National Forest.(even though my search area I checked yesterday isn’t I’m one, LOL!) Also is related to the blaze. I think there may be two meaning to both the wood and the blaze. Look in the woods (national Forest), but perhaps also the chest is in a hollowed out old log, or a hole in a tree. I think ultimately there will be a blaze on a tree very near where the chest is, but also the blaze may have a larger meaning to get you to the geographic area first such as a notable historic fire.

  119. We have a page for “In the Wood”, but I am surprised there is not a separate page for “Worth the cold”, especially since that line comes directly after “Hear me all and listen good”. Seems more important than in the wood to me.

    • Why do you think that “Worth the cold” is more important than “In the wood”? Just ankin’ – JDA

      • Hi, Just sipping coffee & chasing words again… ‘Worth’ after a name… Fennworth, Coldworth, Goldworth, etc. …. indicates a homestead. Its a kind of a Title for a homestead.

      • Hard to tell if it’s MORE important I suppose, but it is clearly important. Forrest is telling you, you will get cold.

    • Agreed core, “in the wood” seems to state the obvious. Worth the cold seems to direct the searcher to a place that will be cold. Even in the Summer. To me, that means elevation. Once at this point of your path, in the wood will probably be obvious.

      • Charlie;

        Have you ever given consideration that cold could be a direction – North? Just a thought – JDA

        • I have not considered that, but I’m a meteorologist and I know that sometimes you can go north and be warmer.

  120. As I pointed out in my comment under “the nine clues” discussion, this line, “Your effort will be worth the cold,” should be the last line of three steps after the nine clues to find the chest. In that line of thinking “cold” can mean several different things in my opinion.

    First, the “cold” means that your physical outdoor activity required to find the chest (i.e., BOTG) can be considered “cold” compared to the warm and comfortable armchair hunting. So if you can come out in the field (possibly with your family) and succeed in finding the chest, that effort of yours will certainly be worth it.”

    Second, the general search area, where the chest is supposedly hiding, can be at a higher altitude (closer to 10,200 feet rather than to 5,000 feet of elevation) where the higher altitude is at a colder temperature, relatively speaking.

    Third, the actual hiding space can be at a lower elevation from the human trails which can be warm by the sunlight and the human traffic itself, somewhat contradictory to the previous point though.

    Last, in order to finally get the chest in the end you have to get out “in the wood” which may block the sunlight and make the space cooler. And if the hidey space happen to be below a rock overhang or something the space could be even colder, and you have to experience that cold before you actually get your hands on the chest.

    — MajinKing

    • Or Coaled. And don’t forget “Woods” invented the U.V. (ultra violet) light. So….if UV been wise , you could actually be in a ‘Wood beam”…..of light.
      This works in my solve as my new thought is the blaze is a phosphorescent boulder that I found in August near Ojo Caliente. Or was it Denver?

  121. I don’t believe “wood” is literal. You might have to be slightly ” brave” to get the TC from where it is hidden; nothing mission impossible style heroics.

  122. Here’s some possibly out-of-the-box thinking . . . but then again, it may be “in the box”,
    depending on definition and imagination.

    If, in the word “wood”, you replace the second and third letters with the symbol for infinity
    (which looks like an 8 rotated 90 degrees), then if you are “in the wood”, one might think in
    terms of being inside the symbol for infinity. If you think about this for a while, you might be
    able to see it as a possible hint, albeit small. I think FF is kinda fond of using the number 8
    in his writings, as a small hint. Good luck to all searchers. All in my opinion.

    • Definitely interesting and you posted it on the 8th. I am not sure what the hint would be but that symbol runs behind my eyes every day.

  123. What if Brave and in the wood is just that, wood and woods are actually a little different from one another, for example, if you described an Aspen Grove it would also be called Aspen Wood, not woods, same if referring to pine wood, it would normally, when cut and stacked or as lumber called a pile of wood. But if you are in the Wood s with an s it all seems to refer to lost in or bewildered as Daniel Boone one said: “I was never lost in the woods in my whole life, though once I was confused (bewildered) for 3 days.”

    Brave and in the wood, without an s seems to refer to a particular kind of wood, like Aspen wood (grove) or perhaps pine wood forest.

    A wood is an area covered in trees, larger than a grove or a copse. A forest is also an area covered in trees, but it is larger than a wood. The trees in woods and forests grow thickly, and the space between them is overgrown with grasses, shrubs and underbrush. The U.S. National Vegetation Classification system differentiates them according to their densities: 25 to 60 percent of a a wood is covered by tree canopies, while 60 to 100 percent of a forest is canopied.

    Now why did ff use wood, and not woods?


    • TT,

      I guess it all depends if you take word definitions at their core, or use the line in connection with another line in the poem.
      Wood by definition means petrified wood, So I guess “brave” could indicate the idea of “petrified” wood or forest in a clever way. It also could connect in thought to NPFTM. So, from there [ hob ] it’s a petrified wood area, line of thinking. Even the idea of bold kinda works as well. Bold meaning; courageous, daring … a clever play on meanings for Petrified Wood and brave, bold, meek…

      We also have a story of fenn going into a graveyard, alone, at night… a daring feat for some, but the idea might be; dead wood or stone trees or petrified wood… Like sitting on a grave stone.

    • I think, wood = woods – no difference.
      He may have used “wood” because it rhymes with “good”.
      He couldn’t use “goods” although it would rhyme with “woods”.
      So hear me all and listen goods – doesn’t work.

      Simplify if you can and get out of the hood.

      • I think, wood = woods – no difference.

        Think again… unless your desire is to ‘be’ simple.
        Car and vehicle are not the same either.
        LOL I don’t think fenn was too worried about perfect rhymes either… halt and walk???

        • It’s not my desire, it’s Fenn’s.
          Simplify if you can.
          Seems like you’re forcing “wood” to mean “petrified” using an obscure definition that I never heard of.

          Sometimes you can’t make every rhyme because of your abilities.

          Here’s your petrified forest in the Gallatin and it looks just a tad bit iffy for a 80 year old dude unless you just want stare at it from WWWH.

          • A definition is a definition.. you can call it what you will, it doesn’t change the definition.

            And you’re correct about fenn saying “try” to simplifying. By trying to simplify anything implies its not easy to start with.
            Simplistic is not the same as simplify.

          • I’d think try to simplify is meant for us to not over complicate the words in the poem. Or not to go over board or over complicate the poem.

            Simplistic is not the same as simplify, if it were simplistic the poem would have been solved a long time ago.

            Seeker, the point of using a map is to view it to find the solution, provided one has the correct starting place. Is your view this way or your BOTG?

            Seems to me that using a map to view the poem is simplified and not over thought.

  124. I make that point because I never felt an 80 year old man would bushwhack for more than a mile in forested terrain, but walking in an aspen grove is easy compared to regular forest navigating, especially carrying heavy gold and bronze chest.

    For many years I searched for the largest most brilliant Aspen stands thinking to myself; could Forrest Fenn have bushwhacked through there?

    Always a nagging thought was what if wood meant a river called wood? It could be just that….


    • I have always interpreted this line as inferring that the place looks rather intimidating. Not dangerous, but intimidating.

    • TT IMO–
      To find “brave and in the wood”…1st take the advice of the little people. (aka “the boys” or leprechauns) Next…
      Find a place within a geological box. Next find a place within that box that when translated means “men of the woods” That’s a rather large area ….like the size of a mountain. Next..Be Brave. Don’t tell anyone…it’s a secret..

      Of course all IMO;
      1f Billy

  125. Howdy everybody. I would like to convey my thoughts on IF YOU ARE BRAVE AND IN THE WOOD I GIVE YOU TITLE TO THE GOLD.

    My thinking is the result of watching an interview with Forrest. I have been beating myself up to try and revisit that interview and am still trying to find it. Maybe some or one of you can assist. Hopefully I can jog someones memory. It has been some time ago…early on I watched the interview on Dal’s blog. It was under the heading of Forrest Speaks or Santa Fe Interviews but I can not remember clearly. I may need to invest in some of that jellyfish medicine for memory.

    In the interview Forrest was talking about the indian revolt where the Spanish were quickly retreating and the possibility of important documents being hidden. He described the manner in which the cache could have been hidden. He went on to say that it could have been hidden in a brush pile….not buried….but concealed by brush.

    Therefore I think the treasure chest may be concealed in a brush pile (IN THE WOOD). It wojld be a brave act to remove the brush due to creatures like snakes, scorpions, rodents.

    If anyone remembers that interview please post where I can revisit that interview. Traveling….peace to the planet.

    • LOL short of the scorpions, you are describing my shed. Spiders [ black widows and some 3″ yellow and black one that I swear can hit mach I on a full run ], snakes [ copperhead and rattlers and one time an 8′ black chicken snake – I got my friends Smith and Wesson to help me gut rid of it… I still need to fix the hole in the floor ] field mice, the all voracious fuzzy-tail-rat, and the occasional sparrow who think he’s an F16 fighter pilot on a bombing raid.

      Sorry I don’t recall the interview you’re asking about, but now i’m worried about getting to my lawn tractor, because the shed is surrounded by bushes.

      • Interesting. Thanks for posting. I would love for Forrest to document that Santa Fe, NM was incorporated as a city before and therefore is older than St. Augustine, FL..

  126. In the wood is in the forest, wood is also art.
    A fen is a muddy bog in the forest, aka a forest fen.
    Two Omegas, two “n” in Fenn, and two “r” in Forrest.
    Reduce them to single n and r and you have forest fen.

  127. Briz….shazaam….you nailed it for me! That was my missing link. There shall a star in your crown. Thank You ever-so-much. It is of interest to me that ff used stick figures in his newer book ONCE UPON A WHILE. It is quite easy to read things into other things, but hey, let the imagination run wild. Early archeologists often found artifacts in stick nests created by rodents. Packrats and Woodrats are famous for their wood nests. Watching that youtube again just reinforced my theory of a manner in which the chest could be concealed. Forrest has repeatedly corrected those who used the term “buried” saying he did not say that he buried the chest.

    I believe that once the blaze is nailed down there will be a “rats nest” that will conceal the treasure and could also
    have concealed human remains. O.K. Indy….grab your hat and whip and lets go find that treasure (ndxt spring).

    • No problem, Guy! Your theory certainly seems plausible and would provide a straightforward explanation for what it means to be, “brave and in the wood.” I currently prescribe to “wood” simply meaning “out in the wild,” but I can appreciate how you arrived at this particular interpretation.

      You know, it would explain why Forrest would sometimes slip and say “buried” before correcting himself to say “hidden.”
      For instance, if you lost your keys in a pile of papers and someone asked where you found them, would it make any difference if you said they were “buried” in a pile of papers versus saying they were “hidden” in a pile of papers? I wouldn’t think so; the meaning would remain unchanged in my mind. Obviously, it’s too much of a clue for Forrest to identify what conceals the chest (if anything), so to use “buried” as a form of word bending would be risky in my opinion, especially if the chest is not in a hole in the ground and covered with dirt. Add the fact that digging is illegal or not allowed in various parts of the search states, it would makes sense why he won’t use the words interchangeably, even if he technically could.

      I suppose the only thing I struggle with is, if the chest isn’t found for 500 years, is it possible for the wood or sticks to survive if they are exposed to the elements the entire time? It’s possible another form of concealment would take it’s place, but “in the wood” might lose it’s significance. If you’ve got a way for the wood to stand the test of time, I’d be completely on board with your theory.

      Either way, I like the idea and it’s an imaginative way to interpret “in the wood.” Best of luck and happy to help with the video link!


  128. One last thought on If you are brave and in the wood” it could be a picture frame and the 4 sides are lines describing the frame, now what is the title of the painting, you ask?


    • I think “in the wood” can be used in several different ways that complement each other. One meaning could be “in the wilderness”
      and another meaning could be “in a small group of trees”. A third
      (pretty specific, relatively) meaning could also work in a complementary way . . . but I’m not mentioning it at this time, because this meaning would be too expository.

      These meanings perhaps could be thought of like layers of an
      onion. And if I parse “onion”, I might get on ion. Onions make
      me cry, and my tears contain ions. Some sailors (“old salts”)
      would know this. If I’m teething too much, don’t be thor and
      lash out at me.

      All part of my opinion, don’tcha know.

      • Hi tighterfocus,
        I think that “in the woods” mean a lots of trees, like a big forest, but “in the wood” may mean a small group of trees, like you said, maybe a couple dozen of them scattered around IMO.
        — MK

  129. A live tree is standing timber, many trees a forest. A tree becomes wood when it has been cut, like firewood, or is dead, like deadwood, drift wood. A forest of dead trees would be in the woods

  130. Just idly thinking. A wood is smaller than a forest particularly if it was planted to hide an ugly scar say between a bluff and the creek. And then erected a blaze marker to tell everyone about it. no more than a couple miles deep and oh look there is sage and pine trees. You just walk up that creek. no-one lives on it in the northern reaches now.

  131. sixth stanza explanation, in my wrong opinion. lol (no really folks this is good)

    hear me all, listen good. – yes, pay attention to the precision of his words.
    your effort will be worth the cold- the Draper is climate controlled to preserve artifacts. low humidity. even at the height of summer, the Draper will be cool inside.
    if you are brave and in the wood- the chest at the Draper has the letters IN stenciled on the wooden lid. confirmation you have photographed the correct chest.
    i give you title to the gold- the poem is title, which should lead you to the Buffalo Bill Center of the West that houses millions of dollars of artifacts worth their weight in gold.

    Dodo bird’s fun, safe, side trip has all the photos.

    i think.

    • Your solve sounds like a heist..

      How do you proceed to the prize from that point without any poem left?

      • Muset- the thrill of the chase IS the prize.

        i have heard Forrest good.

        I followed the poem precisely to the treasure. (the great outdoors)
        i followed the poem precisely to the chest. (the wooden chest at the Draper)
        the only thing left is following the poem precisely to the end of Forrest’s rainbow, and it is there that he will take the bronze romanesque box with him, when he dies. its all pre arranged.

        i think.

  132. I’ve read & searched everywhere I can think of, and I haven’t seen this yet:

    brave and in the wood = beravened in the wood
    (ravenous or beset by ravens, take your pick or both. This is in relation to TTOTC story Looking for Lewis & Clark )

  133. “Cacher In the Rye” might suggest that something is hidden “in the grain”, perhaps like “in the wood”. Coins for example have a relationship to “grain”.

    • Lisa Cesari,

      I would like to ask you if you are on caffeine all day long?

      Believe me when I say this, I’m not complaining at all and enjoy some of your posts. Where do you find all that energy? I thought I was go, go all of the time, you beat me squarely.

          • Thanks for the nod. I highly doubt I can compete physically but I give most a run for their money mentally in my mind.
            I think “in the wood” is a hint and not a clue.
            Better to be in the wood than in the hood.

          • You are brave EC. The meek say nothing.
            Some folks say “in the wood” means the wood lining in the chest.
            I remember a vague statement by Fenn about being in the woods and if you zoom out far enough you would be in the wood. Don’t quote me or him on that. I will try to find the exact quote and I’m sure it’s different from my aging brain.

          • If that’s correct Afana, I would think that it would be specific thing(s) maybe trees at a specific special place or spot that is not a region and only known to Fenn now.

            The only problem I have is the blaze seems to target the treasure and is very close by.

          • Jake, Imo it is specific, and the TC is very close by. “Maybe tree’s at a specific special place.” IMO Yes

          • Another problem I have with the treasure being in a thick group of trees is the 200′ comment by Fenn (Ya I know, here we go again).

            If this group/spot of special trees or place is a large patch and the treasure is hidden in there more than 200′ from any edge where you could get a nice pic to send Fenn that he recognize the place because I highly doubt he would recognize a pic within the thick.

            It’s definitely possible for the treasure to be hidden within the wood, 200′ from the edge of it where it can be identified by the lead dog F.

          • *** *** *** ***
            Jake Faulker recalled – “I remember a vague statement by Fenn about being in the woods and if you zoom out far enough you would be in the wood. Don’t quote me or him on that. I will try to find the exact quote . . . .”
            *** *** *** ***

            This one maybe?

            “It’s not in a tree but it’s surrounded by trees. Of course everything is surrounded by trees if you go out far enough.”


          • Thanks JAK3,
            I butchered that one, but you got the right one and makes me wonder why he would word it that way although he was a pilot for many years.

          • Afana, I respect your opinions. I just disagree and have a different solution.

            To me, in the wood describes grain, like the grain of wood. To me, this is important because of the switch to coin themes instead of driving around and finding locations. Maybe in the first pass title to the gold, to me, means Moneta, of which you (maybe) serendipitously suggested in a prior post. To me, Juno Moneta is the answer to the 9th sentence, but the last line. To me, coins and their inscriptions then help me to understand in the first stanza why “alone” means “Rijn” (rain, reign, monarch) and “there” means “dear” but also “dalr”.

            All of this makes sense to me when information from the blaze (Elmo, WY) and the history and people of Hanna are learned. Hence, why I believe.

            For more on Hanna, see SB188. It’s not what he says, it’s what he doesn’t say and implies that is most important. Dizzy Dean’s middle name was “Hanna”.

        • Lisa Cesari,

          Well Happy Easter to you, I see the head of a bunny with ears on your topo map, you think the golden egg is there in the bronze basket?

          My go-go is natural and I have to partake the green grass in the basket to slow me down so I can relax in the evening.


          • Eaglesbound – The pic is a copied link. But I did receive a Forrest’s-like Commemorative Coin with Bart the Bear and Doug Seus on it, when the Vital Ground Foundation was here in town last Fall. Two of the wildlife biologists who worked with Bart the Bears I & Ii were both there.

            All kidding aside, I do everything I can to help them and the Brown bears.

            Bart the Bear and Doug Seus founded the Vital Ground Foundation.

          • This is directed to afana’s comment but I see a lot of commentary on this site that says afana is far from alone in this matrix of thought. In no way do I mean any disrespect by the following so I hope that people view this idea with an open mind and avoid the clever modes of backhanded insults that so many times an opposing view responds with on this site. This is merely an idea and one that in my view is important . With the disclaimers out of the way, I honestly feel that debating the difference between a clue and a hint is simply put a distraction from more important issues . I believe that one who does so, is nothing short of falling into a trap or Forrest-ism if you will. There is no doubt in my mind that this exercise is a hint or a clue in its own right. if you can back away from it and see the big picture. and those who get sucked right smack into the literal sense of the comments about clues or hints and them being different is falling for a game employed by Forrest, that he thoroughly enjoys and at the same time uses to teach us about the chase. I believe this solve is so hard, not only because of the fact that you have to solve your way to the starting point but also because his first layers of security are his peculiar uses of synonyms, antonyms and as Dal has dedicated a searchers topic to, homophones. Look up the meaning of clue and hint. Each respective definition uses the other word multiple times throughout In its respective meanings. These two words are about as close as two words can be by definition, as any other pair of words imaginable. They are synonymous. It’s pretty much dedicating precious solve energy into trying to find the differences between 6 and a half dozen. It’s not that important. Forrest has as much stated that practically every word is needed to solve this poem, the clues in the poem are contiguous and their forms in the book are not. My money thinks the more important definitions needed would be the answers to the questions that Forrest states he knows well. I think that those are the things your solve should account for and the more of the poem is accounted for in your area and as well as leads to those answers the better. IMHO opinion of course.

          • Follow the triple a rabbit trail Afana.
            There is no treasure on this trail just speculation.

          • Double a – I read and appreciated your thoughts and observations. Very insightful and astute. Thank you!

            And did you say, “homophones” somewhere In THERE?:

            nud·nik > bore > boar

            I think Everard would have giggled at that one…Wood he knot? He had that “Reverence for Wood”. And so many other beautiful and interesting books.

            Note: I used the appropriate former Circumpunct-like dividing punctuation, that preceded the comma, for that “Nude Nick” equivalent. That was pasted straight out of the Webster’s Dictionary. Why Dash when you can find the Gold and Dot, instead?

            And did anyone else “listen good” to look up the letter F in Morse Code?

        • Jake Faulker, You kinda answered your own questionable scenarios. So I agree for the most part, but if you have a pic within Fenn’s 200′, then you already KNOW you’re in the right spot. All imo

          • E.C. Waters, I can respect your opinions as well, but I try not to get in to far over my head. I stick to the basics.

          • I understand your perspective, but logically and personally I can’t reason through how a basic solution could not be solved in 10 years. I mean no disrespect.

          • Yeah, I’m not so sure. If I look at all of my poem-driven locations, Independence Rock is relatively close to the middle of all of it, while Moneta is the absolute middle of WY. Both of these have “chase” references. If the 200′ is somehow close to “me in the middle”, I’m gambling that just like everything else he says, about 200/500 feet is not what we perceive it to be on the surface, but instead yet another allusion. For example, 199 is a prime. 499 is a prime. These are about 200 feet and 500 feet if “prime” is an apostrophe. “Prime” is also a symbol for arc-minutes. I suspect he’s trying to teach us to think in his terms and coordinates. But if in the same words he is hinting the coordinates, and prime can be shown to be arc-minutes, I would guess these are coordinates related the topic he is describing. He seems to have done this in other areas, like SB124, and the most recent SB199. But also likely in many others.

  134. Maybe in the wood as opposed to the water. I think it is in area that has changed
    from long ago as FF remembers but still basically same. only certain years is access
    available. The wood has been there many years. He used what was there for the poem
    and changed to different things till he got it how he wanted. the coincidence is WWWH
    It is imperative no one else knows. No anything in books or anywhere else. you need the book and stories. things like his daughters found out several weeks after he hid the
    chest. I think he was gone for a week as home for supper or 2 trips. I think no one can
    know so no real information. EXCEPT. start at WWWH. then the getting mad and slipping
    up. Look at the Big picture and walking it back as fast as he could. with the rest many
    places.. TTOTC what is the theme. leaving your child hood behind. What is the big
    Picture. Why are you here, why was the book written. what is this about. Not dying in
    a hospital but his own rules at his special spot. Not in A Cemetery. A coincidence in
    the poem. WWWH. not planned just what was there. A perfect starting point for the
    poem. needed to be written in to the start. All IMO completely mind boggling.
    Well what is the big picture and forget any thing else he said after that.
    Something to think about. I still can not locate a spot I can walk directly to.
    Lets see burden brooks burns woods take a radial. no that don’t work. Asking
    Forrest will not work. I think I know the area but 2 trips in a day. must have needed
    a flashlight to see where he was walking on final trip to car. And it just could be anywhere.
    I learn after a while how my ideas are wrong. But hey nobody has the chest yet.
    Or was it sold in Canada. Just kidding… Good luck this summer.

  135. So are y’all going hiking this weekend or just hanging out in the local parks for the annual Easter egg hunts? I haven’t decided yet. Either way it should be a glorious time.

  136. Yellowstone is opening and I am planning on going. Not that I believe the treasure is inside the boundries. But I do believe it will lead you to the location.
    So excited. Have a great Easter and lovely weekend.

  137. Thank you Lou Lee – it’s nice to hear from somebody. I hope we will be blessed with a gorgeous weekend so that all of us can get outside – no matter where it is we go.

    May the Easter Bunny bring you lots of goodies in your basket.

  138. No reply button jake. But if it’s any makes any difference I’m no double agent. I’m an avid searcher who like most has put a lot of thought into this journey.

  139. A wise man once said, “try to simplify if you can”…
    This wise man also said, “stop arm chairing that thing to death
    and get out in the trees where the ‘box’ is …”

    I wonder, therefore, if “wood” is simply a grove of trees and
    nothing more obscure or complicated than that? If so, a blaze
    could be something that stands (the test of time) and “stands
    out” such as a rock or rock formation in a clearing in the wood/s.

    • D. Crockett – Yup!

      Looking for Ground Zero. From Airforce bombadier pilot, Forrest Fenn’s, perspective. Is that a heart-shaped clearimg in the trees or what looks like a pyramid, as he flies low over my hidey spot at about 200′???

      Bombadiers were experts at finding anomalies in the landscape, to identify potential targets.

      Some of the most recognizable shapes to the human eye and psyche are:


      What was that movie about staring at goats and using remote viewing to see what the enemy was doing, again? The one with George Clooney?

    • D.Croc.-
      I agree with your “simple interpretation” theory. The trick, in my opinion, to figuring out the clues in the poem is not trying to unpuzzle what Forrest means by “blaze” and “wood” but rather to simply figure out where these clearly named places are located. And this can only be done once you start at the correct beginning. Finding every clue in the poem depends on starting from the correct “where warm waters halt”. If you have not figured out the first clue…you cannot possibly be in the right place to figure out the remaining clues. The key is not in twisting words and phrases into some abstract idea. Instead, in my opinion, the solution is to start at the right place and look for the obvious meaning to simple words and common phrases. We know that some folks have started in the correct beginning location but gotten misaligned along the path, possibly because they were making Forrest’s directions much harder than necessary.
      I think it helps to have an open mind when out on the trail. Be negotiable about what a “wood” could be. Use your imagination but don’t go off the tracks. It is a trail of discovery in my opinion…not a word game..

  140. Alfana:
    the way I read is the ninth clue is both “brave and in the wood”
    Yours truly

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    • Dal – I chose the ‘In the Wood’ page from the list. This is the page that came up. It allowed my post, before I saw it was a closed page. Is a new page needed?

      • Lisa-
        Thanks for pointing that out…
        Sorry. Sometimes I forget to do all the things I’m supposed to do when I start a new page.
        The most recent In The Wood page is here:

        I closed comments on the previous In The Wood page and moved it to the archive.
        I corrected the link on the “Topics for Discussion” menu…

  142. Dal – Watching the 2009 PBS series by Ken Burns, “The National Parks: America’s Best Idea”. Wondering if anyone has explored a petrified forest for the ‘in the wood’ part of the Poem? I think I saw some interesting formations out Specimen Creek in the images I searched.

    John Muir used the word, ‘carboniferous’ and amethyst formations inside the trees were mentioned. Thinking about Forrest finding agate for his marbles. Here is a link I found, where you can read about what Muir saw:

    Lots of beautiful images and scenery and great historic info. in that series. I wonder if it inspired Forrest, back in 2009, to make any final tweaks of the Poem?

    • Hi, Lisa – I’ve seen several other searcher mention petrified forests as a possible solution for “in the wood” over the years. The Florissant Fossil Beds National Park is often overlooked, but is just west into the mountains from Colorado Springs and worth a trip. After visiting the Sequoias and Redwoods on the West Coast, it’s wild to see giant stone stumps of the same types of trees thousands of miles to the east in the Rocky Mountains where they’re now long gone.

      I’ve looked at the area to try and work out a solve a while ago, but couldn’t come up with anything I liked.

      • I tried a solve near there at eleven mile canyon. Not t.c. but awesome place in general. Colorado springs west is like going from mountains back to prarie and there is a place northwest if fossil beds called the dream stream, for trout.

    • Lisa-
      From early on searchers in the park were looking at Specimen Creek and the Petrified Forest. Although I hear less about that area now then 6-7 years ago…

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