Synonyms and Antonyms…

Synonyms and Antonyms

Why so many? For the last month or so, I have been giving serious consideration to the synonyms and antonyms within the poem. There are many for such a short peom. Don’t believe me? Here’s a sample:

Synonyms:
• I/Me
• Bold/Brave
• Treasures/riches/Trove
• Meek/Weak
• Hear/Listen
• Look/Gaze
• Halt/Cease
• Go/Leave

Antonyms:
• I/You,Your
• Alone/With
• Secret/Hint
• New/Old
• Warm/Cold
• Bold/Weak
• Brave/Meek
• Down/Up
• Below/High
• Quickly/Tarry
• Begin/End
• Just(meaning “right”)/Nigh(meaning “left”)
• Take/Leave,Give
• Put(as in “push”)/Drawing(as in “pull”)
• Far/Nigh(meaning “near”)

That list, while not exhaustive, leaves few significant words in the poem that don’t have either a similar or opposite word match. Is this coincidence? I don’t think so, it seems more like a theme to me. I’m not entirely sure what to do with this theme, but I have an idea.

Before I get to that idea, I’d like to mention something else. Many have noticed and there are some comments that have been discussed but I’ll bring it up again. Mr. Fenn has a penchant for mirrors and/or reflections. There have been numerous pictures provided by Mr. Fenn that show either his reflection in a mirror, or they are mentioned in a scrapbook and there is even the story Mirror on My Wall in Too Far To Walk . While I can’t say for certain, I am inclined to think that Mirrors/Reflections and Synonyms/Antonyms are related. How so you ask? I’ll explain.

You see, a mirror does something unique when it shows your reflection. The reflection it shows, while looking identical, actually reverses the object. If you are right-handed, your reflection is left-handed. Is your hair parted on the left? Theirs is parted on the right. So in other words a mirror is capable of showing both your identical “Synonym” and your opposite “Antonym” at the same time! It’s you, but it’s “opposite” you. I find that fascinating. If we are all “good” then we all have an “evil” twin in the mirror!

Given the above, lets get back to that idea I mentioned earlier.  What to do with our theme and how does it apply to the poem? Perhaps, not at all, but maybe, like this. In the 6th stanza there is the line “If you are brave and in the wood”.   I’m going to focus on “…in the wood”.  That phrase is akin to the common idiom “We’re not out of the woods yet!” which implies the speaker is still in danger or jeopardy. Logically then it follows that if you are “out of the woods” then you are no longer in danger. If I were to apply my theme at this point the opposite to “out of the woods” is “in the wood.” Logically then “in the wood” implies danger or jeopardy and maybe this is why we need to be brave. Perhaps the chest and treasure lie in a location that many would consider risky at first glance.

But “No, no!” you say.  Mr. Fenn has stated the chest is not in a dangerous place (MW:6Q w/FF:Over 5Y of TTOTC;Question #6).  He also goes on to state that anyplace can become dangerous. And I submit that his idea of “dangerous” is far different than what someone who is not familiar with mountains and the rivers has for “dangerous.”

I am not the person that asked the most recent Featured Question on the Mysterious Writings website where Mr. Fenn was asked about safe places, but his response and implication that no place is truly safe and his previous admonishments that excursions into the mountains requires prudence lends credence to my understanding of “…brave and in the wood”.

I have tried to not alter the poem, and only use what I found in the poem to try and understand a line.  I feel there are other interesting connections to discover using this theme of Mirrors/Reflections and Synonyms/Antonyms and will keep looking and thinking.

Ever Chasing,

Jason

93 thoughts on “Synonyms and Antonyms…

  1. Jason … interesting analysis, one that I too have noticed. But you need to carry your logic a bit further. Where does your analysis lead? What location conclusions can you draw from said analysis.

    I used the exact same logic as you to pinpoint a location in Colorado. But I had to drop the place because of something FF said.

    Extend your synonym/antonym logic to location.

    Ken 🙂

  2. Enter your comment here.
    Ok.
    Thanks,
    now let’s go to bed.
    (Sorry, I was conversing with my twin in the mirror.)

      • BEGIN it where warm waters HALT
        Alpha and Omega
        more likely
        Omega to Omega = HALT to CEASE
        Ω(door) the Journey or stage Ω(door)
        Ω(door) birth to death Ω(door)
        Ω(door) first line last line Ω(door)
        Ω(door) it’s a tunnel Ω(door)

        quest
        kwest
        noun
        noun: quest; plural noun: quests
        1.
        a long or arduous search for something.
        “the quest for a reliable vaccine has intensified”
        synonyms: search, hunt
        “their quest for her killer”
        (in medieval romance) an expedition made by a knight to accomplish a prescribed task.
        synonyms: expedition, journey, voyage, trek, travels, odyssey, adventure, exploration, search; crusade, mission, pilgrimage

        • decall – Thank you sooooo much for sharing your Alpha and Omega insights with us! Excellent! I would post that Monty Python and the Holy Grail scene at the bridge now,…but I don’t want to get booted off the blog for posting TOO MANY LINKS in one post.

          FYI to all: Three links or more causes work for Dal and Goofy,…because that post will go into moderation via a WordPress file until they review it. More than that,…and you may just lose the great post you created,…when it goes into oblivion. I had that experience yesterday. And some posts just don’t go through at all,…because sometimes text or a link just doesn’t fly in the system (for no apparent reason!)

          My apologies to Dal and Goofy for ALL those attempts that disappeared on my end yesterday. And thank you BOTH for ALL you do!

          Love, E*

        • Decall, I actually do have the omega symbols as a door. Well, entry way. To WWWH. lol, I might just stop in Vegas before I go up. Another month or so…

  3. I don’t want to look in the mirror to figure this poem out… it’s hard enough dealing with just one of me. 😯

  4. I find this very interesting. Trust me I synonym almost every word because it explains so much about what that word means. Forrest always uses words that I have never heard of. 🙂

  5. I have a totally different meaning for “in the wood” and I don’t believe is has anything to do with danger or a dangerous place. The reverse image, as in the mirror, is key to the location.
    Just my opinion of course.
    I hope this makes Slurbs happy that I didn’t just type sub. JK= just kidding

    • A mirror reflects back exactly what is in front of it. It does NOT reverse right for left, and left for right, we just perceive that it has done so because of the way that our brains have “learned” to perceive the world around us.

      But then again, what do I know? NADA

      JD

      • JD – I am really enjoying your insights and the way you communicate them! I was thinking this morning about that video Forrest suggested we watch,…the one with the bicycle in it (are we getting back in the box or thinking out side of it on this thread?)::

        http://mysteriouswritings.com/featured-question-and-weekly-words-from-forrest-fenn-get-back-in-the-box/

        What if:

        Forrest left his tepid bathtub (WWWH) at his summer home in West Yellowstone,…got on his bike and took it in the “canyon down” (Madison Canyon),…rode 20 miles (TFTW) to Ojo Caliente,…then “put in” there “below the home of Brown” (Nez Perce Creek, where they first introduced Brown Trout in the late 1800s)?

        That video and Jason’s post both inspired me to do a reverse or mirror on my thinking…

        • E* the bike and box videos were interesting. IMO he wants us to keep our minds open to adjust solutions ‘within’ his poem’s box.

        • @E ff didn’t suggest the bike video specifically, he only suggested the youtube link ‘smarter everyday’ IMO…..lots of other videos that make us think on that site….IMO it was a few bloggers that suggested the bicycle video.

          • Cholly – Yes,…you are correct,…but I was thinking about a comment I had just read that day that Dal posted,…about how Forrest said something to him about how Dal couldn’t ride his new bike! So that’s the one I went to. 🙂

          • When I first went to the site, the first video to come up was the bicycle video. This happened with Firefox and Internet Explorer. To me this validated the fact that Forrest intended us to watch THAT video.

            Right = left; Left = right. Be willing to take a second look, consider the opposite was what I took from the video.

            We are conditioned to look at the world in a particular manner. We CAN be taught to look at it from a different perspective. If we are looking at solving a particular line in the poem one way, and it JUST isn’t working, mentally, take a side step to the right or left, and look at the line with a slightly different perspective…. or even turn around at view it from a completely different angle.

            Forrest recently posted the “What IF” post. Asking us to ask ourselves “What IF” something were different?.

            Right = left; Left = right is asking us to do more than just change perspective, but look at the problem from the exact opposite position.

            Don’t get stuck in the mud – from the week before, find another route.

            These are just my impressions and thoughts.

            Take care and TRY to STAY SAFE.

            JD

    • By the way Pip, the answer to your question is it hasn’t. Here is the answer ” The mirror doesn’t “know” anything about your position; it simply reflects the light that hits it, doing so as objectively as any inanimate object knows how. Why, then, when that reflected light reaches the photoreceptors in your eyes, has your mirror image been reversed from left-to-right?

      The short answer is that it hasn’t. In fact, the question of what makes the horizontal axis so special in the context of mirrors is itself flawed. That’s because a mirror does not reverse images left-to-right or top-to-bottom, but from front-to-back. In other words, your mirror image hasn’t been swapped, but inverted along a third dimension, like a glove being turned inside out.”

  6. I have NO opposite Evil twin in the mirror looking back at me… just some weird Enigma figure!

  7. Wow…really good, thought provoking post. Today is my 3rd day as “guide” and driver for a new searcher from North Carolina. He’s a math teacher so is using total logic and a straight forward linear approach to solving the poem and finding the treasure. Haven’t found it yet, though, so maybe I should suggest he read this, and we will “mirror” his location. Lots of beautiful scenery and cooler weather at 9000 feet the past 2 days. We are meeting Desertphile for breakfast at Abiquiu Inn. No doubt he will provide this morning’s entertainment. I will “listen good.”

    • If they are, what purpose would that style of writing serve? How does that help get us to the treasure?

      • Well what’s the purpose of any conclusion paragraph
        1)Conclude by linking the last paragraph to the first, perhaps by reiterating a word or phrase you used at the beginning.
        2)Restate the main idea of your essay, or your thesis statement.
        3)Summarize the three subpoints of your essay.
        4)Leave the reader with an interesting final impression

        So with that being said, I believe Stanza 6 describes what “in there” is. IMO, of course

    • Hi JoeKing

      Alone in there…

      That line is stanza 1, and could mean anywhere obviously we have to solve the clues to find out but here is the point, ff could be applying that phrase over and over. There doesn’t have to be a definitive “in there”

      I agree that “alone in there” is also “brave and in the wood” but it isn’t where the treasure is. “Title to the gold” and “secret” are the same thing.

      “Treasures” refers to two separate treasures…the chest and a jar. Forrest has never been forthright about anything in this chase. When asked if he hid anything else beyond the treasure (of monetary value) he refused to answer that question. Someone should ask him where he thinks his 100,000 IOU is right now!

      So back to my earlier point!
      Alone in there is a mirror that repeats over and over. Eventually the “trove” will be “in the wood” 🙂 but which wood is that? Anyone?

  8. Several things this brings to mind.
    1) Is that my evil twin in the mirror, or my good twin?
    2) This reminds me of the backwards bike.
    3) Would “Evil Spock” find the treasure before “Good Spock”?

    • What if instead of polar mirror opposites (good or bad, etc.), we are to look in the middle (the grey). After all, life is a balance that regularly kicks my a$$ when I go to extremes. Thoughts?

  9. Interesting…it doesn’t surprise me, I’ve had this worked out last yr. But, to my uncertain knowledge, it has not been mentioned here before, as a possible angle to solving the puzzle. I will start listening to the whispers more often, and this helps confirm my location.
    The 2nd and 3rd stanzas also mirror each other. I’ll let y’all chew on that one awhile! 《*_*》
    Be safe
    ¥Peace ¥

  10. Silly book I’m reading says “It is not the Master that the ‘secret ‘ depends but on the hearer on pg. 3.

    Another silly thing on pg 15: Doubt is an incitement to research, and research is the Way which leads to Knowledge.

    Silly book.

  11. Jason I think you have a very clever interpretation. And this is how I think it implies. Forrest says a lot of peculiar things but the one that has stuck out to me is “don’t go where an eighty year old man wouldn’t go”. So I think your analogy is when you come to that fork in the road and it appears you should go right, then you should think of going left. Also, my interpretation of “brave and in the wood” is where ever the chest is, that it is camouflauged in a brown background. Wood in this sense is a color.

  12. “..I have tried to not alter the poem, and only use what I found in the poem to try and understand a line…

    Why would you not try altering the poem? Because of peer pressure?

    I don’t think it is wise to let other people limit your game.

  13. Jason – Thank you for that excellent topic and analysis for us to discuss here!

    You wrote:

    “I am not the person that asked the most recent Featured Question on the Mysterious Writings website where Mr. Fenn was asked about safe places, but his response and implication that no place is truly safe and his previous admonishments that excursions into the mountains requires prudence lends credence to my understanding of ‘…brave and in the wood’.”

    For new searchers especially,…and those like me without Forrest’s books,…I thought I’d call up Forrest’s blog site:

    http://www.oldsantafetradingco.com/blog/mirror-on-my-bathroom-wall

    “I categorically deny some of the things I’ve done, and my greatest regrets are the chances I didn’t take.”

  14. E*

    You said, “and those like me without Forrest’s books,…” Why, oh why, would you chose to not have his books? If it is money, I do not have much, but I would gladly buy them for you.

    Although Forrest has said that you only need the poem, he has also said, ““Here is what I would do. Read my book in a normal manner. Then read the poem over and over and over, slowly – thinking. Then read my book again, this time looking for subtle hints that will help solve the clues.”

    To me, and this is just my opinion, trying to solve the riddles in the poem, without the aid of the books is like going to a cooking contest without any knives. It just doesn’t cut it.

    Please let us know why you choose, like Seeker, to not have the books.

    As I said, I will buy them for you.

    Good luck in your search – especially without books – and TRY to STAY SAFE

    JD

    • JD – I found the details of my main solve in April 2013,…and didn’t read the books until Oct/Nov 2013. I did read his blog, though,…where many of the stories from TTOTC were posted. I am here to prove the point that you don’t HAVE to buy the books. Many kind searchers have offered to do so also. My goal is to locate and retrieve the bronze chest,…call Forrest,…arrive at his house with BOTH new books,…and have him inscribe them in person. 😉

      • GLAD that you do have the books. GLAD that you have read them at least once. The hints that I found were not only in words, but in pictures and illustrations as well. NOT MANY, but a few, or a scant number, am I talking in circles?

        I applaud your effort to solve the riddles with only the poem and your TOPO’s and GE, but it would be a shame if you missed the TC because you failed to look at a PIC or two, or look closely at an illustration or two.

        Just sayin’

        I do wish you luck and TRY to STAY SAFE

        JD P.S. thanks for your response.

      • I feel like the ultimate point to prove, is to find the chest. What if you never find it, simply because you refused to use the book, trying to prove a point? So you trying to prove a point, could damage your overall chances of finding the chest.. You have two separate challenges.. If you end up finding the chest without the book, the point you are trying to make, by not using the books, becomes no point at all to make, since you found the chest… So maybe your ego is getting a bit in the way, since there is no possible way to make a point, without first finding the chest.

        Things like this, is what I do not understand.. Why not just give it 100%, one hundred percent of the time, so you dont have to worry about failing? You do know that you have a chance at failing more, if you leave stuff on the table right? Not using the book, as prescribed by Fenn, would definitely be leaving stuff on the table..

        Im just blabbering though.. Good luck in all your searches..

        • Hammertime – Thanks for your post. Here’s the quote from Dal’s Cheat Sheet:

          “All of the information you need to find the treasure is in the poem. The chapters in my book have very subtle hints but are not deliberately placed to aid the seeker. Good luck in the search.”

          And I don’t worry much about failing. I am in this for the great learning experience and to share that with others. Some are just hunting down the gold. 🙂

  15. Since the thought of the people is leaning my way of thinking for 2 years now and finding myself right back where I didn’t want to be.Running in circles over and over.Let me start by asking who else has watched expedition unknown with Josh gates on forrest fenn???If you answer yes?have you watched it 500 times like I have?if answer is yes?have you focused??if answer is yes?then tell me what you’ve seen and I will show you what you have missed.

  16. Good thinking Jason. I like the simplicity to it as well.

    Just to add, could we actually mirrorize the whole poem and read it in the opposite/reverse?

    I guess the first stanza wouldn’t quite fit, but then again, I believe the second stanza starts the quest and clues.

    Good luck.

  17. All,

    Antonyms:
    Warm/Cold or is it Warm/Hot? or maybe Warm/freezing, Warm/Scalding Hot, or wait is it Warm/Lukewarm, Warm/Sorta Cold…

    Hmm no real antonym for that warm, but i digress.

    Have a nice vacation.

    Seannm

  18. Waters- Watters, Wood- Would, Blaze- Blah ze’ …..and of coarse Cold- Coaled

  19. Hey Jason,

    It’s gonna be hard press to push synonyms or antonyms with the straightforward crowd. I myself don’t understand how so many can call fenn a wordsmith and so easily dismiss alternative word usages, when fenn hmself has shown/told of example in Q&As and in the book doing just { use words that aren’t in the dictionary… bend words that are… twist word definition to make it work etc. } I would also consider Idioms as a possibility Jason, when thinking along these lines of thought. I see your small list above ~ I’m sure you have noticed many more and kept the list short for space and typing ~ yet I would be interested if you have ever considered the possibility of “the word that is key” to actually be its synonyms usage itself?

    I don’t see the words that is key to be anything that ‘unlocks’ the poem like a coded message, but more to help understand how we should read the poem as and the word choices fenn used. An example would be today’s WW; “Be mindful of nature and your health, but not in that order. f ”

    I see the ” but not in that order ” interesting. If he didn’t want it his words to be in that order, why place them as such in the first place? For my line of thinking Parts of the poem may do the same. Such as “In there” or “keep my secret where” as word choices and usages to relate to Time more than the Physical. Or warm and cold not so much as temperature but the usage of their synonyms meanings… such as close and far. And maybe “put in” to explain where this needs to be placed within the poem itself. Which inadvertently may make “from there” to have a new start or location.
    But to be honest… using these alternative word usage needs to carefully considered in the relationship to the poem as a whole. If we attempt to see the poem as written by a ‘wordsmith’ … straightforward because a different usage itself, other than simple, easy, not complicated etc.

    We have been warned the poem will not be direct for those who had no certainty beforehand… Told “over complicating” by knowing unknowns will not assist us in solving the poem. As well as, try not to “over simplify” words in the poem… such as WWH. Its “difficult but not impossible” ~ If it was easy anyone one could do it. For myself… “Over complicated” doesn’t mean we should dismiss what a “wordsmith” does best. I for one don’t believe we need to “find Forest Fenn” but more to the fact, we need to find ff intention of word choices and usages. Or as I like to call is Multiple Meanings.

    Good thought provoking post Jason, to what A poem is designed for. But then again… a hard press to sell to the straightforward hopefuls.

    • JimB;

      Seeker said it all far better than I can. Synonyms and antonyms might not be as important as the varied definitions of words, and how these definitions are used.

      Seeker mentioned: ““In there” or “keep my secret where”” – How about “My secret where” and “Begin it where”? Are these two “where’s” referring to the same thing – or different things, but using the same word?

      Tarry Scant – can mean a stone that is flat on two sides, like a grave marker.

      Quickly – can mean a strong odor or smell – Like pinyon or pine trees.

      “Not FAR but too FAR to walk” – can mean, “Not deadly, but too dangerous to walk”

      And I could go on and on. One must consider ALL of the meanings to every word, and then decide on the meaning that you think Forrest meant, and use that meaning. It will give you a completely different “Big Picture” than what one normally sees at first glance – JMO – JDA

    • JimB,

      Besides the different definitions, meanings and usages of words and wording in the poem… synonyms might play a roll as well.
      Example; Place; normally applies to a location, idea. It also holds a definition and synonym for a ‘situation’ such as being placed into that situation for a reason.
      But, When reading the poem’s line “from there it’s not place for the meek” many, if not all, will automatically refer *place” as *a location* vs. being put into *a situation* that is no place for the meek.
      In either scenario some think it should be frightening or even dangerous. I think being meek in this line and challenge simply means; one who is timid of being in the wiles of nature in a certain place. The question falls to; why a certain situation would make some *feel* meek?
      You also have to keep in mind that place [like many words in the poem] can relate to time as well. [ you might want to look up time as well.]
      The point to the above is to explained, by understanding the meanings and ‘synonym’ a line, words or wording can be completely different to the norm of thinking, yet still straight forward in all ‘honesty’ to the words used.
      It all comes down to perspective and interpretation and how the reader can adjust their precondition notions when reading the poem.
      LOL Like I said before [in July]… it will be hard press to get many into the conversation. But I’m open to a good chatter if you’re up to it.

      • As usual, Seeker, you bring up some good points for discussion. “Time” may very well play an important role in the final solve. Only “Time” will tell I guess 🙂 JDA

        “LOL Like I said before [in July]” … July of 1916 – my, my, how time flies when you are having fun 🙂 JDA

        • Time; Verb; plan, schedule, or arrange when (something) should happen or be done.
          Time doesn’t always mean; events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole.

          But I believe in this case, both work well… plan and observer.

  20. This is a topic that I am very interested in and I believe that the poem revolves around synonyms, antonyms and as well as the multitude of definitions that every single word has by nature. The words brave and bold are direct synonyms and the use of each is how he opens and closes the poem. The word meek is a direct antonym of both words but the method in which he uses the word, is in a way that eliminates those that are meek from the solution. In this interpretation Forrest could very easily be saying the same thing 3 different ways in a 6 stanza poem. My opinion is that this is much more likely to be by design than by coincidence.

    I’m going to set up a hypothetical way to go at a solve keeping these ideas in mind, while using the relationship of the words bold, brave and meek with the corresponding crossover that they have with themes in the poem. Beyond the fact that they are synonyms of one another in one sense, the words bold and brave also have remarkably different meanings that one word does not share with the other. I’ve begun to think about words being used interchangeably, as in maybe Forrest has locked up some of the solve in a deep and cryptic way but also one that has a method that can be realized as well as followed.

    We all know that bold is another word for brave but at the same time, brave in another way could easily be a reference to his love and passion of Native American history and past culture. So lets imagine that this hypothetical solve revolves around an eventual end result that has some form of extreme importance to Native culture. Its easy to see this connection in the last stanza but what if Forrest gives us our first fragments of data in stanza 1 and the biggest of all is him telling us that we are looking for a place that has to do with his treasures bold or treasures brave, implying his reverence for Native American Braves. It would make complete sense to me that from the very beginning, he is alluding to the end.

    Stanza 2 gives us our first directions to finding the end and as well very quickly introduces us to a doable task but one that seems not to be obtainable by conventional means. An indication that things are not going to be easy and another implication that bravery is needed..

    Stanza 3 brings us to the confirmation that the setback is only going to be overcome by those with courage, bravery and determination to do what most won’t. In this stanza he not only states the need of strength and fortitude but he seems to define this issue as one that revolves around geographic features that can in one way or another satisfy the terms water high and heavy loads. Ideas in themselves that would seem to deter the weak of mind and feint of heart.

    Stanza 4 suggests that if we can satisfy the past criteria, a solution should begin to present itself. The term blaze does not only mean marker, bright source of light, or to make ones own trail but to blaze is to achieve something in an impressive manner, perhaps something that took considerable fortitude and bravery. The end of this stanza, to me anyways, seems to imply a conundrum, perhaps another shoe to drop on the way to conquering the riddle.

    In five, right when in this hypothetical scenario, the searcher might be saying “what next, what did I miss?” We have Forrest answer his own question for the seeker, that seems to suggest if they can apply the conversation to their own specific solve and environment, they would then obtain the information that sends them to the final stanza. To tie back into our reoccurring bravery theme, the line I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak, suggests that the answer sought in our solve is found through an action that involves a spirit, desire or bravery to accomplish that has since passed Forrest by.

    I view the last stanza here as the final confirmation of stanza 1 that puts it all together. If stanza 1did really give us the end answer in a way that we were not ready to receive, this theory would provide a very satisfying rationale for his use of the T.S. Elliot quote. I tend to believe these connections are obvious because the end result is one that requires the need for bravery and as well ties into Native American culture. Now if I could only find that specific plot of wood, lol. No such luck but on that note, I can tie in one more word play involving the notion of being brave and willing to persevere. Don’t get me wrong I do believe that there is a specific section of wood but “would” is the past tense of willing. Do I direct another double meaning from Forrest hinting again to one needing to be brave and in the would/willing.

    These humble musing are highly speculative and merely a reflection of my own rationale and opinions.

  21. Being concerned with synonyms or antonyms won’t help solve the poem, but may help provide
    some entertainment for someone reading the blog(s). As always, this message is part of my
    opinion.

    • TA;

      Are you saying that you believe in the simplest meaning of every word in the poem? That one need not look up the meanings of words in the poem? IF this is what you are saying, good luck my friend – Have a nice vacation when the snow melts – JMO – JDA

      • FF openly admits that he enjoys playing with words and using them in ways we might not expect (I’m paraphrasing very loosely here). So I think it is very important to look up every word to see if there is a meaning that I was not aware of. For example:

        bold (bəʊld)
        adj
        1. courageous, confident, and fearless; ready to take risks
        2. showing or requiring courage: a bold plan.
        3. immodest or impudent: she gave him a bold look.
        4. standing out distinctly; conspicuous: a figure carved in bold relief.
        5. very steep: the bold face of the cliff.
        6. imaginative in thought or expression: the novel’s bold plot.
        7. (Printing, Lithography & Bookbinding) printing set in bold face

        I never thought of “bold” as meaning “very steep”.

        I think another example from the poem is:

        “As I have gone alone in there…
        I can keep my secret where…” where being a noun meaning a place or location.

        So FF is saying…

        Since I went in there alone, I am able to keep my place secret.
        (The only way two people can keep a secret is if one of them is dead.)

  22. Seeker, JDA, I’ve been thinking about a particular word that is key
    II think it’s the only “key” word in the book … “Indecision is the key to flexibility”.

    The word ‘decision’ derives from strike or cut, …. to divide, scissors, precision, sever, several, etc. The “in” in front of it means: not, without, or, opposite of.
    Now consider these phrases:
    Alone IN there.
    Take it IN the canyon down
    Put IN below
    Could those IN’s have that “opposite of” meaning?
    (I won’t bring up mirrors or backwards bicycles)

    I would ordinarily think this reasoning is far fetched, except for the inclusion of the phrase on page 131 just before the poem. And FF’s own comments that his spelling doesn’t really matter if the reader knows what he means.

    Decision = cut. Flexibility = bend or twist.
    So “cut & bend” what? Words maybe?
    But dont mess with his poem.

    • OS2
      Did you happen to see the Playboy interview… I believe the word’s controversy is over on where it is.

      • No Seeker, I dont think Ive seen that interview, Ill look for it on Youtube. Nor do I understand the rest of your sentence…. what does “the word’s controversy is over on where it is.” What controversy on what word is over?

    • Finally but maybe a bit to late. IN imo is the key word. No mirrors though. In there, take it in, put in, in the canyon down, go in peace brave and in the wood. What does it all mean? Merry Christmas every one… lol if your in the wood your boxed in. Cornered . Dead end. Riches new and old. (Land marks) known and unknown. Dont need to find the blaze to find the box. It helpfull but not needed. Just need to use your imagination in a more literal sense when your bog. Dont worry box and the bracelet are still there . It will be impossible to find with snow on the ground and dangerous as well. It’s not worth it. While mr. Fenn is still alive you only have title to the gold. Not the box or the bracelet. Cause he stated he wanted it back. Lol

      • Sancho: “Dont need to find the blaze to find the box.”
        That statement seems really dumb to me, but then again, I don’t have the box.

      • Sancho, IMO, you may be new to the chase? IMO once again, If you don’t know what the Blaze is, you are at a loss. IMO, the blaze is almost as important as WWWH.

  23. Let me put it this way. Where warm waters halt is your canyon and your creek. You have your put in your draw no paddle your chest to far to walk your meek. Your tired and weak and finally your brave and in the wood. He blaze is just a confidence booster. Go in peace. Without a doubt. Your final destination is all that matters. If you cypher the poem you will walk straight to the treasure with confidense. We did it twice from two totally different beginnings. This was before we cypher the poem. There is actually 4 ways to get there. But a few are two difficult for an eighty year old man to make two trips in one afternoon. So you see you dont need the blaze to find it. All you need is to unlock the poem and walk straight to it.. the blaze is very helpful but not necessary. I’m sure ff would agree with me on that. Wouldnt you my feathered fellow? (FF)? Cleaver.. lol

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