Scrapbook One Hundred Sixty One…





Here is a story from the 1941 Alaska Miner..
So what do you think?
Can a porcupine actually throw his quills or not??

A porky swats with his tail, and it stands to reason that if some quills find their mark other quills would fly, caused by the sudden stop of the said tail. The skin of a porcupine is not attached to the animal’s flesh in the same way that a banana is not attached to the peeling, which means the quills are loosely hanging in the skin. Now, that’s everything I know on that subject and it graphically explains why bananas can be so dangerous. f


199 thoughts on “Scrapbook One Hundred Sixty One…

  1. I have yet to see a porcupine on the Chase. I did see a Big Horn sheep though at Earthquake Lake licking the road last week.

  2. In regards to cactus and porcupines, I believe it best to let sleeping dogs lie. It’s a slippery slope if you intentionally provoke an encounter with either.

  3. I have never encountered one of those odd creatures. I have seen what looks like porcupine damage on pine trees around West Yellowstone. I hope I never have to eat one. Someone said they taste like kerosene.

  4. Ha ha! That reminds me! One time hiking in the mountains, I came across a porky. I thought it would be fun to have my hat full of porky quills, so I threw my hat at him. He filled it full of quills alright, but the hat stuck to his tail, and up a tree he went. So not only did I get no quills, but lost my hat as well!
    That little stinker showed me!

  5. Well I can see this is going to be a prickly post. He’s always trying to stir up trouble……It’s totally obvious now he wants the chest found soon by giving its’ location away. The chest is located in a porky pine tree in West Yellowstone.

    Fire up the truck I have to beat Iron Will to it.

    • This is also, possibly, yet another reference to his father’s advice “…grab every banana.”
      Apparently it is important to grab those bananas carefully, less you get stuck… ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Not to get serious or anything like that – but, look at the illustration on page 99 – Which is the banana tree? Is there a hint here? Just askin’ JDA

        • Hey JDA
          Of course there is!!! This page has been talked about over & over &over again…Actually there are a couple of hints there, just like on page 57 where it says a certain word (cave) that is written in a bush on the side of the road.
          Honestly though JD, there are hints (clues) in almost everyone of the artist renditions. Good luck and keep kicking it….
          Be safe my friend,
          PS. Look at the blades on the aerial bombs, you will see the cap letters of “F” by some of the blades…

      • I also learned today bananas can be hazardous, besides slipping on the peel. People with an allergy to latex have a high risk of being allergic to bananas. This means your Halloween costume is a no go Dal ……..Google: “bananas are dangerous”

        I’m glad I didn’t know how bad bananas are; I like banana sandwiches with fresh bread. It’s a wonder I’ve lived this long.

        • I am allergic to latex, you also should include avocados and kiwi in the warning. Doesn’t mean we will react, but we might.

          His scrapbooks always make me wonder and smile. Have a great weekend everyone. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • So if a Porcupine is your best friend is it your PFF instead of your BFF? This morning when I stumbled across this post I went out and invented a new form of exercise called “laugher jogging” this am because I couldn’t stop laughing at this one. Thank you Bff and friends.

        • Or maybe his quill is writing to warn us of the elusive manticore guarding the box? I bet goofy knows all about it…

          manticore (n.)
          fabulous monster with the body of a lion, head of a man, porcupine quills, and tail or sting of a scorpion, c. 1300, from Latin manticora, from Greek mantikhoras, corruption of martikhoras, perhaps from Iranian compound *mar-tiya-khvara “man-eater;” first element represented by Old Persian maritya- “man” (from PIE *mar-t-yo-, from *mer- “to die,” thus “mortal, human;” see mortal (adj.)); second element by Old Persian kvar- “to eat,” from PIE root *swel- (1) “to eat, drink” (see swallow (v.)).

          Wear gloves everyone!! WEAR GLOVES!!

          • Well Jonsey some say I am the Manticore.

            Did you know Castus is a Latin adjective meaning “morally pure, guiltless, pure, chaste, pious”?

      • I thought your comment was a playful jab at me, so I said mine back. My bad. I’m sorry. I apologize if I upset you. Id rather read your comments than mine. If that means anything.

        • ?? no jab intended…was just trying to be punny. Didn’t mean to distract from your post. Sry if you feel that’s what I did.

  6. Our Mayor, Jordan Foss absolutely loves bananas. He’s always eating one. He recently announced hid bid for re-election. He chose the slogan “Foss For Us”. I’m not sure why.

  7. From the same page 1941 Alaska Miner


    In a summer long since over
    There appeared in certain parts
    A geologizing rover
    With an aptitude for charts;
    His manners were patrician
    And his speech collegiate,
    And his rock-wise erudition
    Seemed both deep and up-to-date.

    He spoke of schists and sulphides
    And of sedimentary zones,
    Of sphalerite and sericite
    And correlated stones;
    He was eloquent on shearings,
    Displacements, dips and stresses,
    On major faults and minor faults,
    Intrusions and buttresses.

    He named the varying strata
    With familiar nonchalance
    And was liberal with data
    On their known significance.
    He scedulated ores micaceous
    And discoursed of diorite
    Of shales carbonaceous,
    Herablende and hematite.

    His work was scientific
    He excelled in taking pains
    And, while loth to be specific
    In assessing any veins.
    He in one place gave the ruling
    โ€œLittle hope of values here.โ€
    And some roughneck,
    short on schooling
    Mined a million there last year.

    Not mine to science underrate
    Wealth follows oft behind it;
    This tale is but to illustrate
    That โ€œGold is where you find it.โ€
    -Author unknown.

  8. Now I’m curious about porcupines. (making a mental note to do some research later today).

    On Sunday, our family was at a motel in Niagara Falls. Early in the morning, I went to the breakfast area for coffee and, coming around the corner into the room, was walking toward ne of the staff, who was carrying a banana. She pointed it at me and (jokingly, I hope) made a POW sound. That is the most dangerous banana I’ve been around lately. Next time I saw her, she was carrying an orange, and I told her I felt safer.

    (okay, decided to look up porcupine quills, and the first page I came to says “your shot” ,,, )

  9. I see what you’re saying, Forrest. But what if those porcupines are awake and swinging their tail with a vengeance and their barbs are hurting innocent people? Does one run away from the porkies, or maybe find a good defense? Or maybe sing them a lullaby to lure them back to sleep?

    Or does one quietly walk away with the barbs, pluck them out and burn them, remembering “Victory at the expense of the innocent is no victory at all?”

    I think I know the answer. Thanks, Forrest.

    • Oh yeah, and I forgot to add about the other part…After plucking out the quills and taking the higher road, one can sit at the top of a high hill and watch those porkies slip on all the banana peels they’ve grabbed.


    • Do what my wife and I do, Wear our Chaps. We have for riding my Ultra Classic Harley Davidson. They are great for Porcupines, snakes and stops all stickers from getting on our cloths and they keep us warm as they are all leather just like the old cowboy days…

  10. Oh I get it now. This Scrapbook has nothing to do with the fact that the banana and the porcupine are both, geographically, in close proximity to the hidey spot. But has everything to do with one particular Searcher who everything is always about. And seems to be the only one who “sees what you’re saying”. Who’d a thunk it! Again, and again, and again. Ridiculous!

      • Yes, this post isn’t about judging others, throwing barbs, or anything but where the TC is. Especially since the email to F is from “Castus.”
        Here, I’m handing out the stones. Anyone else want a free throw?

        John 8:7

        • Nope, this is about what I heard me and myself tell I this morning as me, myself, and I were conversing with Forrest in our little box of a brain. We “sees what you’re saying” I. Hence the again, and again, and again. One for each of me, myself, and I.

          I do see you used similar words though. But yeah it was all about me, myself, and I. Don’t get me started on the judging though. Me, myself, and I are constantly doing that to each other and that porky ain’t got nothing compared to their barbs.

          Think I’m going to send Castus a formal invitation to join me, myself, and I for a tea party. Like in the olden days. When letters, and tea parties were so formal and fun.

    • You’re right Ramona; this is obviously a coded message. I was wrong earlier, it’s not in a fat pine tree.

      Fenn really is a master of Photo Shop………he has made it look like an old newspaper article. The key words are:
      Novitiate: the period or state of being a novice, especially in a religious order. a place housing religious novices.
      Precipitately: to hasten the occurrence of; bring about prematurely, hastily, or suddenly.
      Blunderingly: To make a mistake. To move clumsily or haltingly.

      This is a warning, someone out there is messing with something they shouldn’t. Dark forces are afoot this Hallows’ Eve. Approaching the chest without proper reverence will bring about painful results.

      NO WAIT!; forget all that. In an instance of pure geniousocity I figured it out. Notice the column of characters to the left of the article. This is the enigma code to be used on the matrix . I can’t divulge the formulation of the matrix until I retrieve the chest…….I’m on my way.

  11. I have kicked a porcupine.
    Let’s just say it is not the smartest thing to do.
    I have got all the quills out, but the pain is still there.
    But I can not stop thinking about the horrible pain that I caused for the porcupine. I need to get back in the saddle, find that porcupine, and apologize for the pain I have caused to him.
    Maybe I should offer him a banana as an apology gift, I have plenty to share.

  12. To celebrate SB #161 I had a bowl of cornflakes with bananas, and used a porcupine quill as a toothpick after the meal.

  13. Here in Kentucky there’s a dish called “burgoo”. It’s sometimes called “road kill stew” and I think that’s how it originated here, with actual road kill. I only mention this because of how frequently porcupines are associated with food in Fenn Lore. It may taste like kerosene, but here it’s linked to bananas and pork (I’ve never personally heard them called “porkies” before). Maybe if I get a chance I’ll make some burgoo at a future Fennboree. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • You may be right Jeremy, porcupines are a delicacy in Vietnam. Find the headstone of a famous porcupine and there lies the chest.

      • Learned something new today. Apparently they like them so much they’re endangered.

        (For the record: Most just use beef in burgoo these days.)

    • Went to a burgoo festival years ago in GA, …. stew with mixed meats, rabbit, squirrel, chicken, duck, beef, and rodenty things. Called it ‘vittles’ but spelled it victuals..

      • Sounds like a real blast, OS2.

        Going to a festival…and leaving with a belly full of burgoo. :/

        I’m not totally sure if I should sign up…or not. ๐Ÿ™‚

  14. I believe f is saying that a searcher with good intentions has revealed too much of their correct solve. In other words, they may have ‘slipped on the banana’

      • I honestly have no idea. I don’t read the blogs often and I don’t know what solves have been put out there. Wish I had more time to contribute

    • Victory will always justify the effort. f
      I had the same thought about this week’s WW’s

      But this scrapbook has me kinda of thinking, to be careful of who’s advice you take it might not always be fruitful.

    • Rich—

      I really don’t think anyone has “slipped on a banana”–I don’t think that is the meaning of the scrapbook. Just my opinion of course.

    • Wow—how strange. I received a collect call (who gets those any more?) from Wyoming today. The character on the other end of the line had a high pitched voice, a lisp, and sounded like he was chewing on something. The call went something like this:

      Operator: “Collect call from Spike in Cheyenne.”
      Me: “I don’t know a “Spike” but I’ll accept the charges”

      Spike (in a high pitched, lispy voice, chewing on something):

      “Hey Thparrow, I hear ya been thlippin’ on banana peelth lately”.

      Me: “What? who is this?”

      Spike: “Ha, Ha (chomp), Ha!” -then he hung up the phone.

      It’s amazing how many different people read these blogs.

      • Whoa….I don’t mean to point any bananas….I mean fingers…..but anyone seen Ken’s chipmunk near a payphone lately? I hear they’re closely related to guinea pigs…who are related to groundhogs….could be a conspiracy? Maybe ask goofy-san. I hear hes an Oracle.

  15. I’ve only been here 3 months. I guess when I get to having a couple of years under my belt with no treasure in hand I’ll have enough wisdom and knowledge to make 15 paragraph posts that lead nowhere. I’m just not “there” yet. Give me some time.

  16. “if you sit in your own place of patience what you need flows to you”.

    I’m not so sure about that Master Goofy-Po. I failed to to walk two blocks to pay the water bill and believe me what I really need ain’t flowing any more—and what I really need is a shower.l

    • E.C. ,

      Perhaps if Ricardo Montalban or Erica Estrada Wrote Fenns poem ,you would have a much better chance at the solve .

      Considering that Mr fenn is American as Apple pie and is home smoking TATANKAS pipe…..why is it you have the fascination of converting everything into Espanol …???

      Focus your efforts on the first stanza…..You need to know where to start !!

      Hasta La Vista…..Baby !!

    • … and a connection to Scrapbook 123. But where are my manners? Jonsey1, help me out here! I’m drowning in ignorance and need your help.

  17. After thinking about this Scrapbook, perhaps I ought to take a banana with me for protection as I shoot photos in the mountains tomorrow, just in case.
    “Have flashlight, will travel”

  18. Oct 25, 2010 – by Forrest Fenn. Release date: October 25, 2010

    Happy Birthday, TTOTC!!

    Thank You Forrest.

    Good Luck to Everybody in the next chapter!!!! ……loco ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Hear, hear!

      Six years old…

      It only took one search party, maybe two parties, 1.5 years to figure out the first two clues and get within several hundred feet of the prize. And 4.5 years since then, maybe someone might have made progress on clues 3 and 4… maybe more since f mentioned it… or maybe we are still just at two clues figured out; only f really knows.

      Here’s to another year of what will probably be just like the last 4.5. ๐Ÿ™‚

  19. Holy cow,it does look like a porcupine. Let it lay ,let it lay. ๐Ÿ™‚
    Watch out for the banana peel.
    Forrest,it is so nice to see you are still out there,somewhere,watching.

  20. when I was a kid,my mom used kerosene in the lamps made of glass and a wick,after lighting,you put the globe on and it lights up the house,we had two,now I got one and my sister has the other.I can’t imagine eating something that taste like kerosene,that stuff stinks.I will cherish that treasure from my mom,that lamp is old.I had banana trees in san Antonio,they got small bananas on them,when we cut them back in the fall,they are so full of water,all trees have water in them.but I don’t get where mr. forrest is going with the porcupine thing, quill,pen? pig pen.charlie brown its time for the great guys have mad me laugh with this one.thanks I needed it.last 2 months they went up on my husbands cancer they want to go to the highest level,it grew more in 2 months.pray for us guys,i’m scared.i got to remember God knows what he is doing,and everything works out for those who love the lord,in his way ,not mine,for there is a purpose under heaven for everthing.he says don’t worry,but I’m quill is full,i think this is about forrest fenns forest of family,new and old,past and present,lots of memories in the mind and heart,theres a place in my heartand yours,thats where we put our loved ones,so many of his words,secret,blaze,treasure,wood,brown, gold,title,its all the same thingI have been studing and writing all the time,time for alice to go down the rabbit hole,mr. forrest you been dreamin,like alice in wonderland.we all have to shut up,love all you guys.

  21. There is no hints in this scrapbook to help u find the treasure For all the ones that think there is. The only hint in here is to stay away from where you might get poked over and over by quills or aka fingers and stay away from where u might slip on a bannana that has been thrown down Keep to ourselves and get out in the woods and search โ›

    • I think there are plenty of hints in here, Diggin. It is a very cleverly written Scrapbook from the Master. But I agree, none of them will help you find the treasure.

      • There isnt spoon this has nothing to do with the hideing of the treasure And it should have been explained better by the mastermind Has to do with people picking on one another on other chat sites throwing there quills And stabbing each other in the back . With banannas !!!!! Stay on dals site away from
        The pokey slippery bannana mess .

        • Dal’s blog is number one in all things Fenn related, for sure…very few cases of barb slinging here. Hints and clues are where we choose to find them…relevant to the Chase, or not. Thus far, the Bronze box has remained hidden, just waiting for the right person to come along and pick it just like a bunch of yummy bananas! Good luck to ALL.

          • I agree ken Thrill of the chase is number one for the real
            Treausure hunters The others just wannabees

          • Dals is a very good site, on a personal note he’s quite the character. A tease to say the least, the kind of guy that will sling you a kiss and never bat another eye.

          • U can have it for all winter dal just went on my last search for the year no snow shovel was needed the weather was great ๐Ÿ™‚ my brain needs a rest

        • I agree with your interpretation, Diggin. But I do think you are missing some of the clues in the story – they are pretty subtle and cryptic. But again, I agree it has nothing to do with the hiding of the treasure and will not help anyone find it.

          • I don’t get it. The scrapbook is about a man lying for attention. Porcupines don’t sleep in the road. The guy kicked a dead porcupine then ran to the press screaming like a moron that a dead porcupine shot him like a machine gun. Porcupines don’t even shoot quills….they smack their tail as a warning and then in fear, like goosebumps the quills search into whatever is kicking them and ignoring the warning. It’s like screaming to the press that a banana tripped someone….are you guys implying that F is secretly saying that someone is running around like a moron with stories of being attacked? Who would he even be talking about? The writer of the article clearly sees straight through the man’s story and is blatently laughing at him. I highly doubt F would be making fun of someone like that. Just doesn’t make sense to me.

          • I do see people wanting to draw parallels to themselves…and that logic can twist anything into anything….I just don’t see one single piece of anything anywhere in this post that suggests the porky should not have left quills in the man’s foot….therefore I can’t see any parallel to it being a lecture about not throwing quills. Just IMO, not making ANY judgements on throwing stones in general, only that this specific post is about a very very ignorant man whose pointing fingers to deflect from his own wrong doings.

          • Exactly.
            The porcupine is not to blame. IMO, only a fool would kick a porcupine, dead or alive. The porcupine, I mean.

            The theme, IMO, is not to go kicking those poor porcupines in the first place.

            Folks aught to leave each other alone.


          • I totally agree. I got confused by your first post saying porcupines were attacking innocent people, and was just hoping you noticed the article was about not running around kicking innocent dead porcupines and then claiming one was attacked when the proverbial quill was in the other foot. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t think this post was about “not throwing quills” and I don’t see that even implyed in any way shape or form in and way in the post. Is it a good idea not to throw quills? Certainly. However I personally believe drawing a parallel to it being a warning about quill throwing absolutely in left field. The only one ‘warning about machine gun shooting dead porky” is the ignorant mad causing drama then calling the press for attention. The press sure gave it to him. Right at the angle they should have.

    • I wouldn’t dismiss the whole thing. Sure, ff will not ever give a hint to places, much less coordinates, so we can easily find the treasure chest but he maybe hinting at how to read the poem. If anything, the takeaway I got from this scrapbook is the same from others.
      The analogies he uses to describe one thing with another. In this case, how the skin on the porky is loose from its flesh by using the banana/peeling example. That will not be my choice to explain the same but he did, and it worked for him to finish it with humor. Many believe that is the case and some of the terms on the poem are not to be taken at face value but it may be generic descriptions of something completely different.

      • See now everyone going porcupine crazy forrest told me in a email there is plenty of porcupines up Beaver creek that like to poke easterners if that helps anyone ๐Ÿ™‚ Just dont go in the winter

      • Thanks, Oz10 – Kinda figured that one out, yet still thought it to be beautiful country.

        Porcupine titled Creek(s), however prevalent, are indeed scattered throughout N. Rocky Mountain Ranges. (Wyoming, Montana and so forth ).

        I’ve truly enjoyed ‘visiting’ the places I’ve been to during TTOTC.

        Always something to appreciate!


  22. Maybe ff is making a humorous comment about a prickly grammar problem … LAY v. LIE … which all has to do with whatever is ‘it”. I’m too old to learn rules now.

    • Seen your post makes me laugh, because I always tell my dogs
      ” to go lie down” and my wife always corrects me and says it’s “lay down”.

  23. There is lots of “Brown” in Master Fenn’s Poem…

    Castus……. Hmmmmm….. sounds fishy…

    Cassius Clay, I float like a butterfly and sting like a Bee. Took a hard line against the Vietnam War.

    Have you read a My War For Me?

    I like my imagination today. Maybe Forrest will give me some credit?

    Stay Safe Treasure Hunters. ๐Ÿ™‚

  24. Castus,
    A couple of factors not mentioned are critical to knowing.
    The position of the porcupine in relation to where he was standing and the angle of the leg upon impact. He might be a fortunate soul having not been impaled elsewhere.
    Tim W.

  25. I saw over a dozen porcupines laying alone HYway # 15 & 20, when I
    was searching this summer, and fall. Oh! If you are interested in where
    to find the location of where the chest is. Look on Forrest’s scrap book
    162, on Nov.15, There is proof there, right out of the poem.

  26. Just a thought but is the hidden message here AK-47? Machine gun referenced then banana which is the clip. The story has Alaska and kick for repeated words (ak). Abriviation for Alaska is AK and the lines in question have 46 letters each which is close. If I’m right why is the question.

  27. IMO there are several indirect (tangent) hints in this SB and when interpreted correctly will be one of the many strings leading to the solve. F is not scolding, castigating, or accusing anybody of anything. He is making a concentrated effort to get folks back on track and pointed towards the right direction. Why else do you think he’s made at least 2 references to pigs, directly and indirectly in SB posts.

    Think of it as the corner or edge piece in a huge picture puzzle you look for to get started. Then build on the puzzle from there. One thing leads to the next and you begin to develop a working theory. Then suddenly it all starts to really make sense. You go back over prior SB posts and realize that Forrest’s posts actually begin making more sense than ever before, hopefully adding confirmation to the theory, further supporting your solve.

    Think big picture…….open your mind, like the cupboards and drawers in his bathroom. If you were a guest in his house, you would not know what’s inside until you open them up.

    I’d really like to offer more evidence to convince you, but doing so would only serve to undermine and compromise my theory and area of focus. Hope you folks understand.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY HOLIDAYS ALL, especially you Mr. Fenn

  28. When I was 12 in Tucson I was riding my bike in the nighborhodd and started racing against a car that was fast approaching from the rear. I could hear it grumble on the rough blacktop and I was determined, neck bent for leather, to beat it to the corner fire station two blocks away. As it passed, a good three seconds later, I must have subconsciously drifted my monkey ride sideways, cause the next thing I remember is waking up at the sight of a bright blue sky gently slumbering in a ginormous patch of prickly pear cactus. My right bicycle pedal had somehow caught the too tall curb separating urbanity from the desert surround and launched me, rear-end over teakettle, over my beautifully polished chrome handle bars and flipped me feet first into the green goblin. I was stapled to my fleshy bed of nails and couldn’t move. An ambulance casually showed up, the med evac guys eventually lifted me off the spire of needles and slowly hauled me off to TMC. Someone peeled me like a porcupune and I spent the next four hours on a Gurney in my underwear as 2 very cute nurses laughed and proceeded to pluck about 10,000 needles out of my red-pimpled hide. I remember I got very light headed and thought for sure I was going to throw up, though I never did. I soaked in a hot tub every night for the next week, and after every bath there were thousands of prickly little spurs bobbing in the water when I got out. I looked like I had London Bridge Is Falling Down Fever and German Measles all at the same time. That was the second time in three summers that a down-wounded power pedal and an overly zealous brick of concrete sidewalk dressing conspired to deliver me to the Moon and ruin my once promising Apollonion Mug – and only the second in four times that a self-propelled launch vehicle tried to end my degree in rocketry and astronautic reverse re- entry ..



  29. “Holy porcupines and bananas Batman! Where do you think that chest is hidden!!??

    “We may never know Robin, some mysteries were meant to remain unsolved”

  30. “Holy Porcupines and bananas Batman! Another year has gone by and no one has found it!! Where do you think that chest is hidden??” –Robin

    “We may never know Robin, some mysteries were meant to remain unsolved”. –Batman

    • Stop – stand still…do not bend over to pet a pork u pine…fatherly wisdom. I wonder if F hid the loot in a banana store – my job is to find it. I donโ€™t care if Batman thinks itโ€™s blustery outside…maybe only Anne Oakley knows. My bias still lays claim to Booth Creek Canyon – Madison MT.

  31. just a side note: When I read this SB once again I thought how “in the wood” can mean you’re crazy, and how “bananas” can also mean you’re crazy. lol

  32. I wish I could go to things like fennborree, but I don’t have those types of funds. I think it would be nice to meet you.

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