As I Have Gone Alone in There…Hermit Peak…



Another search season is rapidly coming to an end. I’ve been so busy searching for others at their locations that I feel like I’ve neglected myself. This would be extremely bothersome to me, but no. Here it is the second day of November and our temperatures remain unseasonably warm. I knew today would be a good opportunity for Molly and me to take a road trip…a reconnaisance of sort to a new place for me, a new road, a new trail, a new mountain peak. The biggest problem…finding a destination that is new to me but still north of Santa Fe. With each previous search trip and special place scratched off the map of potential search areas, it’s getting harder and harder for me to find that new road.

As I pondered my dilemma, I thought of Chris the math teacher and his logic that the poem starts at Forrest’s house. (Chris is the guy who creates detailed, difficult scavenger hunts.) Maybe he’s right, but the poem needs to lead us from there… I remembered the comment by a guy on one of the blogs. He said “ the word halve sounds like have, so the first line could read ‘As I halve gone” which translates to halve the word ‘gone’ which means go…ne. Go northeast. This works…from Fenn’s old wagon I would take the Santa Fe Trail northeast. But now where?

image1As I perused my maps of the Santa Fe National Forest, I remembered seeing a road plaque for Hermit Peak on my way up Rt518 to Walker Flats. Hmmm, “Hermit” Peak…As I have gone (go northeast) alone (Hermit) in there.


It works…Hermit Peak sits 20 miles NW of Las Vegas, New Mexico in the Sangre de Cristo Mountains.

Molly and I made our way up I-25 to Las Vegas where we took the exit for Montezuma…an equally interesting settlement, with a HOT SPRINGS, a potential place where warm water halts (where the multiple hot springs empty into the cold water of Gallinas Creek.) The only problem…this area is extremely popular, and all private property. We stopped, regardless.


After taking a few photos of the “baths” and creek, back in the truck we went and on up the canyon we traveled, winding our way along Rt65 into the unknown…new territory to me.
It was beautiful!

image4As we approached the tiny community of Gallinas, I enjoyed the various styles of architecture along the river…


… as well as the well-fed horses in the pastures.


And like many small communities in New Mexico, there are the tidy places…


…as well as the not-so-tidy places.

Gallinas was no different.

But the scenery soon turned stunning as Hermit Peak came into view… a glorious monolith off in the distance.

image9image10We soon came to an intersection where Rt65 split from the soon-to-be dirt roads which headed into Gallinas Canyon or Johnson Mesa. I had choices and had no idea which one would lead me to the treasure. We proceeded straight ahead.


Molly and I first stopped at Oak Flats, a small day-use area along the Gallinas Creek. We discovered a deep fishing pool along a rock wall, which would have been “special” if it hadn’t have been so close to the picnic table and pile of litter beneath. What the hell is wrong with so many outdoor recreationists that they have to litter EVERYWHERE? The only extremely clean, litter-free public land I ever see is in our National Parks. I’m always amazed!

After stretching our legs a bit, we turned around and headed back the way we came. But instead of going to El Porvenir, I decided to take a right on FR156 towards Johnson Mesa, just to see what was beyond the curve. Almost immediately was EV Long Campground, where we once again walked down to the creek and splashed in the water, and took even more photos.

Then finally, I turned back onto Rt65 and headed northwest towards El Porvenir, not knowing what was coming. Some of the camps and homes were quite nice for being out in the boonies, and some were not. One had a “bridge” in drastic need of repair. I thought of the line in the poem “From there it’s no place for the meek”… and then I saw Hermit Peak…so majestic, and now closer than I’d ever been.
image12It wasn’t long until we arrived at the turnout/parking area for the Hermit Peak Trailhead. We exited the truck and walked to the bridge crossing Beaver Creek, only to see a sign that said DO NOT use…it had been damaged by a flood or debris. I stopped but Molly waded across the creek. When I called for her to come back to the truck, she came trotting across the bridge…no worries, she had not read the warning so she didn’t know.

image13We drove to the actual El Porvenir Campground where once again we got out and stretched our legs. We found the same trail to Hermit Peak but did not have time to hike it. Maybe next year…


On the way back to Montezuma, we stopped at a dam/reservoir place and took a few more pictures before heading home.

Upon returning home, I checked the latitude of the northern limit of Santa Fe versus the area where we spent the day. Unfortunately, Las Vegas, Montezuma, the hot springs, El Porvenir, even Hermit peak, none of these places are 8.25 miles north of the northern limit of Santa Fe so none of them meet the necessary criteria to make it a viable search spot. Even so, after 7 hours and 300 miles, it was still another great day. It was not a day spent in pursuit of Fenn’s treasure …it was a day spent in pursuit of mine.

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99 thoughts on “As I Have Gone Alone in There…Hermit Peak…

    • I just love that Jake! Going alone any where for me is such a battle. If only my leg was a inch to the left .
      If only I had my old body back, I have missed it for coming up. 14 years now.
      I know I am blessed,, theirs always a serious price to pay for Love..
      If I only hang.on, I know victory justifies the effort. What spiritual truth. Mj

      • I apologize Jake, I mistakenly forgot I was thinking about something else and completely forgot about what I was writing about. I need sleep, again Jake forgive me. Best regards,martha

        • No apologies needed MJ,
          Thanks for sharing Cynthia.
          Searching for the treasure for others is great & hope you have helped them & you put some spots to rest.
          Seems like you & a lot of others have covered just about all the areas that fit with the poem in NM Rockies.

          Maybe it’s time for a change of scenery?
          Trade Montezuma for Montana.

    • Food for thought….
      “As I have gone alone in there”…..(cave?)
      Also, one would definitely need a flashlight….
      Are there “canyons down” underground?
      Warm waters travel and some surface waters would halt after reaching an underground water source.
      Still working on some other ideas….but invite your thoughts

  1. Great adventure and beautiful photos. Thank you for sharing. Do you know the story about the white church behind the fence/gate on page 3 of your photos?

  2. I must admit that I am surprised you did not check FIRST to see if Hermit Peak met the necessary criteria, so the last paragraph was kind of a let down, but humorous at the same time. Those are some very nice photos of areas that don’tbmeet the criteria though. Some very very nice landscapes.

  3. Cynthia:
    One of my “what if”s is that the distance of 8.25 miles should start at the southern-most limit of the city limits, not the northern-most point of the limits. Fenn never said that the distance should start at the most northern point of the city limits.
    This has the effect of adding about eleven miles of available range of the Rockies: this brings Hermit Peak into the allowed territory for your search.
    However, the description of the trail to the peak is beyond Forrest’s ability. Read that description of the trail.

    • Beyond Forrest’s ability? That’s another smokescreen. I’ll bet he does 250 push-ups every morning, and walks 50 miles on a Nordic track before he goes to sleep. He may be 86, but him huffing and puffing up a trail is hogwash.

      He could probably win a triathlon.

    • Jim, Look under Fundamental Guidelines at the top of Dal’s blog. FF said “The treasure is hidden more than 8.25 miles north of the northern limits of Santa Fe, New Mexico.”. I believe he came out with this list after Randy Bilyeu went missing. The hike to Hermit Peak is for me…not to look for Fenn’s treasure but to look for mine, which means finding a new road, trail, mountain peak while chasing Fenn’s treasure. Sounds like the trail might be more difficult than what I’d like to try, too. Thanks for the heads up.

        • Thanks for including this link, I’ve viewed this video many times which is from 2014. If you consider the center of Santa Fe as the latitude he is speaking of, then yes, Hermit Peak is north of it. He said “…north or northerly direction to him means anything north of 270º and 090º. Half the universe is in a northerly direction. …and 271º can be considered a northerly direction.” The stickler is earlier this year when he used the northern limit of Santa Fe as being the “line” where you have to be 8.25 miles north of. I took that to mean that latitude and anything 271º to 91º from that “line” counted. There again, I think it’s all a moot point since the chest is probably well beyond 8.25 miles north of SF County.

          • Cynthia
            good point ( above the line 8.25 )
            I was thinking of the (what if’s)
            hope you find it,
            you deserve it.
            great photos also.


  4. Cynthia I always enjoy reading about the adventures you and Molly share together and looking at your wonderful photos. Thanks for posting.

  5. Love your treasure hunting philosophy, Cynthia. The chase is about the journey, in so many ways. Thank you for sharing your journey and beautiful pictures. The Land of Enchantment, indeed.

  6. Cynthia,
    It looks like you had a great day trip. I was near there on my last visit, and also believe many of the clues are around Forrest’s home.

    I like the idea of the Hermit. It fits with my solve and the King Midas theme.

    Anyway, I always enjoy your adventures! Thank you for sharing!

    • Oh yeah, I love the pic of the Molly/Llama staredown!

      And the one of Molly waiting for you to catch up on the trail. That dog has a great life! 🙂

      Did you happen to drive by Starvation Peak? That mountain is beautifully striking, too.

      • Thanks, Mindy. Yes, Starvation Peak near Bernal is a dramatic landmark on the Santa Fe Trail but really south of SF so I never used it in any of my solves. It is very prominent, though. As you drive through that area you can’t help but notice it. What a legend associated with it as well! Makes me want to eat that sandwich.

      • There’s a Starvation Peak in Wyoming. If you go to the one in New Mexico be sure to wear your snake gaiters.

        • Snake “gaiters” huh. Hadn’t really heard of those before. I’ll have to google them and check out the pricing. So I take it they are used to gait the snakes–as in protect yourself from them? I really need some of those when I go hiking.

  7. I liked that sign that says ‘America’s Enduring Resource’ just another term for riches new and old. Maybe…

  8. Cynthia,

    As always you and Molly represent our state well. Love reading your stories, my hat is off to you.


  9. Cindy, I love to read about your adventures almost as much as experiencing them with you.
    Excellent as always and your photos are awesome!
    Thanks for sharing.

  10. Put it simply tp blaze a new path, I think something caught Mr Forrest’s eye, and he went scouting toward it and found his own place of contentment.

    • David, Thanks for reminding me about this book. I have a couple of McGarrity’s novels but not this one. I will add it to my library shelf…it probably has the missing clue we need to find Fenn’s special place. There’s another Hermit’s Peak that is SW of Raton near GARDNER. This places it within Fenn’s treasure trove search area. Jeeze Louise, Molly and I went to the wrong one! Now I have a new destination. “Your destination is small but its location is huge. ff.”

  11. Great story as usual Cynthia. I hope you continue to find new roads and the thrill remains a constant….You are definitely one of the people I admire in this journey.

  12. Cindy,
    Enjoyed the journey you’ve shared – I think Molly already feels as if she has found a life full of treasures.


  13. Hi Cynthia,

    I love your stories and photos. I’ve been very near to the place you talk about. A friend of mine has a cabin out there north of Gallinas. We can see Hermit Peak from it. It’s a beautiful place to find treasures of all kinds.

    I hope you can get in a few more adventures before winter really comes. I also hope we can meet for lunch some time soon!


    • Good to hear from you, That’s really cool that you have a friend with a cabin within viewing distance of Hermit Peak. I’m sorry I was too late for most of the autumn leaves. Next year maybe. Yes, we need to have lunch together soon.

  14. I have been to the top about 3 years ago and it looks like you can see forever, beautiful place .I love this location I will always go back. the primate camps are great camping spots in fact I tickled a trout no hook needed and had it for supper

    • tonto, Thanks for your info…it sounds like I need to make a trek to the top. I love the high peaks where one can see forever…Sitting on top Wheeler Peak a couple times has been a highlight of my life. Sitting on top Wheeler Peak wearing Fenn’s silver and turquoise bracelet would be the epitome! The chase continues…

      • advertise on my website, about my book, that will be coming out? I’m not sure yet, how to “price” it.

  15. If I remember correctly, it seems like, or seemed like, there was a way to add your website, down at the bottom of the screen, like the other ones, but I don’t remember where I read that, now.

  16. Cynthia, Thanks for sharing, Loved the pictures . Molly is checking out those holes in the flat concrete thing with caution. She looks like a fun partner to have on your adventure.
    Does she sleep on the way home or does she watch everything that is going on untill you get home ?
    Good luck to you and Molly, where ever you go next.

    • Sally, thanks. When I tell Molly “let’s go home”, she understands we are going HOME, curls up in the back seat on her dog bed and pillow and sleeps with eyes pinched tight the entire way. She is my BFF and my searching partner. I hope Forrest didn’t mean I should make her wait in the car, although he might have been inferring that due to the time I found a German Shepard with its foot caught in an animal trap. The cement holes were some of the “baths” at the Montezuma Hot Springs, and are probably 3-ft deep. I was happy she stayed away from them.

      • Cynthia, she is definety smart because you have spent so much time with her teaching. It is amazing how some want to learn. My 2 beagles,Sally and Lucy wound not come to me if she were loose in the woods.Sally is ready to run smelling for deer and she complete ignors me. If they get out of the fenced in back yard they will be gone for hours. come home hours latter, panting and ready to rest.
        I dont think F meant Molly, when he made that statement, after all he took with him when he went to San Laz pueblo.

        At the hot baths she has that stance of maybe danger or eut -o what is this, or this is a little scary, i mite not like this. the concrete baths are kind of gross looking. We have a town called Hot Springs near by. In the olden day the native americans would gather there for ceremony. The indians called it, The Land of the vapors,It was a sacred place and all tribes were at peace during this gathering.For the life of me, I cant think of F’s d o geez name. Forest and Peggy took Bip on the floating trip.
        Sorry this post is so long, heres to all the 4 leged
        bff ‘ good luck on your quest. wish i lived closer.
        I believe you are on the right track, i believe Hermits peak fits the alone in there.also there is the chance the clues start outside the box. The final resting spot for indulgence is 8.25 miles from santa fe, I believe you are on the right tract so happy trails to you and molly,
        The dog you found with its foot in the trap was lucky, that was a dramatic experience .I hope to meet You and Forest this coming year. Good luck and safety to all searchers

  17. “I checked the latitude of the northern limit of Santa Fe … even Hermit peak, none of these places are 8.25 miles north of the northern limit of Santa Fe”
    Thank you for clarifying that. My impression is that some searchers in the past thought that 8.25 miles north referred to a … radius … out from Santa Fe, i.e. 8.25 miles east northeast of Santa Fe which would put the chest further south. I appreciate you specifying the … latitude (the horizontal (east/west) line that comes closest to Santa Fe due north of the northern boundary of the city. Thus, Hermit Peak would indeed be too far south according to the latitudinal requirement.

    Ken (in Texas)

    • Ken…you spark a question I toy with myself…on top of it I wonder if I travel north over a mountain that’s one mile high but only a half mile wide- once I am on the other side have I only gone a half mile? Or have I travelled the distance of the road on the mountain itself, which, especially in the case of the W shaped roads, greatly multiplies the distance factor. Personally I think both are correct so I don’t use that with too much weight.

      • You both raise a good question regarding the 8.25 miles north of the northern limit from SF, is it radius or the latitude or driving miles? After Fenn’s Fundamental Guidelines post (during the Randy Bilyeu went missing time-frame), and his previous comment from a couple years ago about north being anything above the latitude of SF, I think he inferred we have to use the latitude of the northern limit. So I drew a heavy black line on my giant wall maps marking the latitude of the northern limit and then another heavy black line 8.25 miles north of it. If this is correct, it doesn’t matter how many miles you actually drive. Plus, my guess is that the treasure chest location is farther than 8.25 miles north of which ever we choose, so it is a moot point!

      • Gosh. When Forrest said “at least 8.25 miles north,” he was just telling people to not dig up his back yard. The city limits for The City Different has a section that juts out northward from the main city from the northern edge. The city limit to the north follows Opera Drive and then heads westward at the point where Opera Drive diverges from South Bound 84-285

        If anyone wants an image of a map showing 8.25 miles from the northern edge of Santa Fe, I will post it / send it to Dal.

        • Yes, David, could you please send your map with limit to Dal to post. Maybe it could go to ff first for his stamp of approval. Maybe he could highlight the road we need to drive on to the correct location. Choices are: I-25/Santa Fe Trail, Hwy502 west towards Los Alamos/Jemez Mts, or Rt285/84 towards Espanola, and on to Abiquiu/Chama or Tres Piedras or Taos (the correct one, IMO.) Thanks.

          • @cynthia: “Yes, David, could you please send your map with limit to Dal to post. Maybe it could go to ff first for his stamp of approval. Maybe he could highlight the road we need to drive on to the correct location. ”

            LOL! Why not just ask Forrest where the treasure is? Hee: I tried that but it did not work. 🙂

            This map shows a circle 8.25 miles (13,277 meters) around the northern most edge of Santa Fe’s city limit. This is utterly useless information however.


          • Cynthia,
            Great search story:) so glad you didn’t mention anything about the fishing.
            And Desertphile, shame on you sharing your map secrets. I noticed 66,000 links plainly.

          • @Strawshadow: “And Desertphile, shame on you sharing your map secrets. I noticed 66,000 links plainly.”

            All my good maps are still secret. 🙂 I have a map showing every warm water in the Rocky Mountains, with every possible “home of Brown” I can think of, and the distances involved. This month I will search location #3…..

          • “The treasure is hidden more than 8.25 miles north of the northern limits of Santa Fe, New Mexico.”

            Limits to mean, SF the city or the county?
            Either way [ county or city ] there is at least two point to work off of [ east and west side ]… or do we simply center point the boundary line?

            The generic comment was made during the time of Randy’s disappearance. What it seemingly does is, state the area he was searching is below the search area [to be the location of the chest area].
            My point is… prior to kicking Canada out of the picture… North still include it. Other than the poem, is there truly anyway to know how far away a 10″ sq spot is. Like deserphile said; “LOL! Why not just ask Forrest where the treasure is?”

            I’m more interested in why Canada was important enough to tell us it was mistakenly left-out ?

          • @pdenver: “It’s nice to know what 8.25 miles looks like, Desertphile. Thank you for posting the map.”

            Everyone is welcome. 🙂 But I have an astonishing number of secret maps showing where the treasure is….

  18. Cynthia,
    I am new to Thrill of the chase but I do love your pictures and esp of Molly, as I’m a dog person as well! I think it was just Molly’s intuition to cross the bridge the easiest way possible. And I agree why do most people have to be slobs, we see it all the time at the Cape Cod Canal, trash everywhere and also from the fishermen/women . Gobs of trash here and there. But c’est la vie and hope tyo be chasing the thrill in two years,

  19. I love reading about your searches Cynthia – great narrative and wonderful pictures! Looking forward to more of your adventures. 🙂

  20. You would have to ascribe some bit of new age mysticism to Mr. Fenn, but it’s no stretch at all to associate The Hermit card in tarot to the Chase.

    Obviously, it’s number 9 in the major arcana.

    The artwork varies between decks, but typically The Hermit is depicted as an elderly man who has eschewed societal norms and adopted a life of asceticism, wandering deserted wastelands with mountains in the distance. He carries a walking staff and a lantern to guide his way (don’t forget the flashlight!). He is often called The Sage. The card represents solitude, introspection, and seeking inner guidance. These are all overt themes in the Chase.

    [Source: I’ve dated a few new age chicks.]

    • A wikipedia entry about crystals gives the source as “new age chick” also, so that is considered a valid source. 🙂

  21. Seeker, JeremyP, and Desert, Thanks for the map, David. Lets combine the other thoughts regarding the Hermit tarot card and the fact that Canada was the mistake left off Fenn’s map. If you look in the book of “The Place Names of New Mexico”, there is half a page on the CANADIAN River, which “heads in the Sangre de Cristo Mountains and is among the major drainages of the American Southwest. Name could have an Indian origin meaning “Red River”. Hmmm…combine this with Hermit’s Peak near Gardner and we might have a winner!

    • I’ll let you work out the details, but if you look at the poem as written in the style of the Musgrave Ritual from Sherlock Holmes, and consider “warm waters” using the definition from the New Mexico Fishing Guidelines (specific fishing waters), there’s actually a place along the Red River heading down towards Questa that matches the poem (more or less). It’s probably been searched, but it matches pretty well. I started by looking at all the warm waters from the guidelines that are north of Santa Fe, and also match a canyon, and also match this and that, and so on. Disclaimer: I don’t really think it’s there. I just looked at the poem at one point like the Musgrave Ritual, as in what if it is completely straightforward, with no hidden meanings, and that’s the place I came up with.

      • Thanks, Jeremy for your information. It could possibly be the place but I tend to believe “warm waters” is not the trout specific NM definition. I’m a hard core believer that warm water means warm-to-the-touch water,( like Fenn’s favorite bathing spot when he was a kid.) Until I’m not…and no one will know until he/she is holding that elusive trove. I like your other ideas, though.

        • I was thinking that myself this morning, after reading that chapter twice, like I do all the chapters or does it mean when you start the chase is it the last house that has warm water? I am not a clear thinker at most times but I hope the treasure is not found for another 2+ years, just my 2 cents

  22. Generally speaking,
    “The treasure chest certainly is in the mountains somewhere north of Santa Fe, and that is a clue. That is not to say it is exactly 360 degrees from Santa Fe, but generally.”

  23. Great story cynthia Enjoyed the pictures hopefully next year i can make next years fenn borri and meet all yall Who search as hard in new mexico as i do in montana

    • Glad to hear that, DG, that you may attend Fennboree 2017. I will host it again unless someone else wants to. It’s almost time to reserve the pavilion at Hyde Park for next year. Hopefully, it will work out to have it the first weekend after Memorial Day again which makes it Friday, June 2nd thru Sunday, June 4th. My goodness, it’ll soon be 6 months since this year’s event, and no one has still found Fenn’s treasure chest. What are we missing?!

  24. Seeker quoted FF: “The treasure is hidden more than 8.25 miles north of the northern limits of Santa Fe, New Mexico.”

    Something that has not been discussed in this thread relative to the 8.25 miles comment is >>> the current northern limits of Santa Fe may be different 20 years or 200 years from now. Suppose the city, or even the county, expanded north to the Colorado border. In that case we could rule out all of northern N.M. (heehee)

    That’s silly of course, but here’s my point … His 8.25 mile comment, though not a clue, per se, suggests that clues themselves may not necessarily have to hold true for a thousand years, or even two hundred years. Ergo, a valid clue may be somewhat transient, as in, for example, the “current” name of a mesa, or the “current” boundary of some state or national park.

    Ken (in Texas)

    • In my opinion, everything is transitory. Nothing lasts forever, except the stars, the Sphinx, and Forrest Fenn.

      • Yes, but my impression has been that some searchers restrict their interpretation of clues to mean those things which do not change except over eons of time, like mountains and rivers. I seem to recall comments by seeker that since humans apply names to geographic entities, those names can change. Thus, a name (or label) cannot be a clue, a theory that I do not agree with.

        • Ken,
          Like you said, it is a theory about my thoughts on names of places. Here’s why… was this poem only intended for this generation?
          When you consider fenn was thinking 100, 1000, even 10,000 years down the road. That he wanted to influence future generations. Even…[ depending how you read into ]… he could have wrote the poem before he hid the chest, comment. How it would be more difficult to find the chest in 3009 because the RM’s are still moving.

          If the thought and the intent was “Future” “Down the road” ~Thinking of how the Rockies may affect the results in a “thousand years” ~ And what I consider by the comment, could of wrote the poem before he hid the chest… might mean… he could have wrote the poem anytime during his life. Gives pause to “Names” of places/roadways/locations etc. as to a clue answer/refers to.
          I’ll add other comments such as fenn considers himself to be an environmentalist more than most. And tells us Geography might help [ which in part is the study of the planet’s surface [ and that is mostly done over long periods of time/ study/ affects]… a pattern of time seems to become a factor.
          And when reading the poem… it seems to presents past, present and future itself.

          So again, was this poem only intended to be for this generation, with only this timeline involved with the clues?
          Example; We know the chest is in the RM’s area. Do we need to ‘know the name’ of the mountain range to understand what we see on a land / geographical map?
          But allow me to correct myself if I claimed, “none” of the clues refer to any names. There is a good possibility, at least one might.

          Heck, if we’re being truthful to ourselves, we don’t even know for sure if ‘all’ the clues refer to places. Many consider NFBTFTW a distance. The question is, is it a distance traveled botg, or a distance in time? or even a distance reference at all.

          You say searchers restrict clues because of time. You could be correct. I tend to think many force fit conclusions because they hope the answers are printings of labels on a map.
          You said: ” Suppose the city, or even the county, expanded north to the Colorado border. In that case we could rule out all of northern N.M. (heehee)
          That’s silly of course,….”
          Why is that silly? In TN, 2010, a city, Murfreesboro, extended it’s borders. To assume that the thought of city, county, or even states won’t change it boundary lines is a silly notion to me. It happens more than most know.

          • seeker…this from the other “ken”…
            SB 152 has stuck with me for obvious reasons with this quote…
            “Life should be an ILLUSTRATED search for hidden treasures, and not just a guided tour. f ”
            This SB could be indicating that the poem directs searchers to see pictures as directions…just throwing that into the mix.

          • The Other Ken,
            I wish I recalled that SB earlier. It would have saved me a lot of typing. Thanks for the reminder.

          • Seeker…how ’bout this?…
            What is a tangent? SB 155 was a good reminder for me…If you shouldn’t stretch a tangent…where does that leave you? Somewhere in the middle of the rainbow perhaps….

          • To me the ILLUSTRATED = Illustration – specifically the Illustration on page 99 – “And not just a guided tour” = the Guided Missiles – and where they are aimed at. JDA

          • JDA…could be…I have not looked too closely at the TTOTC pictures because of the whole clue/hint hint/clue issue. The poem directs a searcher to the treasure and the book is helpful concept…I am keeping in mind that the poem should be enough.

          • If you look closely at the big school picture, the lady standing next to Marvin has had her arms manipulated to emulate the “V” of the lady standing next to her. The lady’s left arm doesn’t connect at the shoulder, which extends just past Marvin’s.

            Would that make V V, VV, or 55?

            Then look at the dust jacket (if you didn’t throw it away lol). The pic of F standing in front of the plane in his flight suit. There is an IV or VI on each pant leg.

            So, two 4’s or two 6’s?

            Is this the way F is “showing his hand?” Or are there pics with two 3’s, two 8’s, two 7’s, and so on?

            And speaking of that dust jacket picture…look at the crack that begins at the bottom of the pic, and follow it up. It appears that the crack CONTINUES through F’s boot and continues on the other side!

            I’m not sure what any of it means, but it’ll be fun to find out. 🙂

          • The arms have not been manipulated to emulate the shape of the other woman’s arms. If one looks closely the lady next to Marvin has slender arms in a pose like the other folks. Her jacket is just folded over her arm on that side which at first glance makes it look odd…look closer. Forrest’s flight suit is normal for that time period…nothing added there either.
            I believe Forrest when he says the hints were not “deliberately” added….
            but hey.

          • I’m preparing a blog post with some zoomed in photos that clearly show the pixelated parts around the woman’s arm.

            The dust cover pic I acknowledge the flight uniform hasn’t been manipulated, but the hand in the pocket clearly has–on zoom, the whole hand shows the square pixelated outline. It’s one of many, many photoshops in the book…

            Also, in the online version of the book, certain parts of certain photos are blurred out there but not on the physical dust cover that comes with the book. Why?

  25. Wow…Mindy, I just looked at what you described. I concur that the photos have been manipulated. I wondered if you’d seen ff’s little left hand with his thumb hooked in the pocket. (It reminds me of Kristen Wiig’s little hands in past years SNL.) Very interesting about the blurs in online book version versus dust jacket. Hmmm….something to ponder. And btw, even though I don’t agree with all your rabbit hole theories, I do love the detail and intensity you spend on your research, and then you share much of it with the world. Very cool, indeed!

    • Thanks, Cynthia.
      That’s hilarious about the he SNL’s little hands skits. Yes, I’ve noticed them, and can’t help but think there’s a meaning there.
      I have the same respect for you. You’ve put in a ton of research and share it, also, and I admire that.

      I have to admit I’m jealous that you live in NM. If I lived there, I’m sure we’d cross paths on a he trails…


    • Cynthia,
      Just wondering, how much longer can you grin and bear it before you decide, “that’s it…. I am going up to Yellowstone”

      I am not sure whether you’ve been (YNP) or not. Jealous here too, I I would love to stumble all over NM, my 2 visits were way too brief.
      Reading back thru most of Fenn’s remarks- has this one [forrest gets mail 2] caused you to cross out any sections directly north of SF?

      “Forrest responds-

      The treasure chest certainly is in the mountains somewhere north of Santa Fe, and that is a clue. That is not to say it is exactly 360 degrees from Santa Fe, but generally.”

  26. Ok, Hermit’s Peak is north of the line and it’s farther then 8.25 miles from Santa Fe, Forrest said ” There is a line’ that circle the earth and anything above that line I consider north. ” I will say Las Vagas is below the line and so is Montazuma , but as you go farther into the canyon towards Hermit’s Peak you will cross that line.

    • Lost said: “Ok, Hermit’s Peak is north of the line and it’s farther than 8.25 miles from Santa Fe”.

      Lost … I believe the line you are referring to is latitude. At a point 8.25 miles north of the northern limits of city of Santa Fe, draw an east-west line, which is approx 35.86 degrees N. latitude. Everything north of that line is in the search area. That 35.86 degrees N. line passes very near Nambe Falls Rec. Area.

      Hermit Peak (El. 10,212) near El Porvenir Campground is way south of that line and therefore is not in the search area.

  27. I thought Montezuma was the location, as it relates to the Aztec necklace. Thus Montezuma’s Revenge. Treasures can mean knowledge and wisdom. Hence the chapel associated with the school. Tarry can mean triangle. The hot springs being one point, the heavy loads and waters high, a small dam about a 1/16 mile down the road, second, and if you go into the woods you will find a stone fire pit for the third, whose perimeter is the same as an archaeologists dig. And given Hoodoo Brown (meanest outlaw of all), it makes me wonder if he didn’t live at the jail adjacent to the hot springs. Sadly its not 8.25 North of Santa Fe, which means holy faith. Pretty sure Hoodoo Brown is the right Brown though. Not Joe.

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