Looking in New Mexico…

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    • I to believe the chest to be in New Mexico! I have found a location that’s fits all nine clues and will soon be checking it out!

    • @Danny-boy – I’m still working through much of this at the moment with Taos general area, but it seems to me like what he’s saying with “answer” is that we need to drive (buscar) toward Relica Peak area (“answer” is also “réplica” in Spanish), perhaps up near Wheeler (“tired”). Twining seems to fit his “rope” and “string” and “knots” subliminals. Still lots of work “todo”.

  1. Have any of you considered hints in SB107? It’s been driving me crazy for the past two years. Look at the name on the envelope U Puceet. Could Fenn be saying “up-you-see-it”. Like look up to see a nest? Like Eagle Nest? This was mentioned in the 300+ comments under the Scrapbook post but there are new searchers since then and they might have missed it.

    • Cynthia—-

      I’m not sure why but SB107 makes me think of “venting”. The five is folded at the “ve”–same with the letter. The corner of the five is bent. Things are set down in a “V” shape. The pen and cap are in a “V:”–pen and point. And Forrest “vents” by using words like “stupid” and “idiot”. I could be way off base with all of this though—it’s just what comes to mind.

      • I love scrapbook 107.
        That pen and letter will make u think.
        Look at the white tip of it
        And the dark background
        Look at the stamp.
        Look at the 5 dollar bill and that arch which looks like a rainbow. From the tip to the stamp
        North to the south 😉
        I’m so becoming a genius;) lol ha ha ha.

    • Puce et is French. The special corner on this version of the fin is purple, bigger, and has embedded USA FIVE in small letters. Florence means flower. In 1921, Los Cinco Pintores was formed in Santa Fe.

      All of those above are just facts. Form your own conclusions. But the theme of this thread is Looking in NM. Because I am now looking in NM, I now see NM in lots of things Fenn says.

      Another thought to help spot sprinkled hints might be to correlate concepts from My War For Me (starting at page 76) to concepts in other chapters, or in other content he has published such as on the blogs or in interviews. My War For Me appears to be his original TTOTC without overt mention of hiding the treasure. I speculate this was intended to be his roadmap legacy for his family and friends, for him to choose his own path to the afterlife just as his father chose his own. Such a hypothesis then concurs with others here suggesting NM seems to make the most sense, especially if his circle surrounds him in Santa Fe. Northern NM is close enough to get to on short notice, and it’s close enough for loved ones to be familiar with the surrounding areas. It is less probable for me to believe he did this for the masses. It is more probable to believe that the broader boundary restrictions just sort of evolved on their own in the aftermath, when the masses started to multiply with random d-bags like me.

      An example of a possible connection between My War For Me and other chapters might include the horse’s name in Looking For Lewis and Clark, compared to the mention of Operation Arc Light. Both of these may then allude to the NM state seal as a hint where to confine the search boundaries. There are many other commonalities, including gravestones, epitaphs, chicken references, fishing references, card game terms (like poker, meld, etc.), foundry terms, (like meld, medals, and horseshoes), a paperboy, the word “caper”, and perhaps other buried connections that were important enough to expand and repeat.

      Food for thought.

      • I’ve wondered if the name on the envelope wasn’t a play on the expression “une puce à l’oreille” (flea in your ear), which can be mean ‘a broad hint’.

      • And of course (as I’m sure others have pointed out) if you search 1921 Wilderness is brings you to Aldo Leopold and the Carson National Forest. I like up-u-see-it and think that is a brilliant observation. Previously, I was in the camp of Tee cup and sipping tea with Olga. After all, if you draw a direct line from the Santa Fe airport to Taos Mountain you are flying over the Carson (and a few other choice spots) P.S. I see the 5$ bill as a map tool – it fits right on the map just where you think it might. A U shape bend in the road, or canyon…use your imagination. And then the pen and cap line up. The bright pink color of the 5$ bill fits the right map. Forks, anyone? Or shall we just use our fingers.

    • Cynthia– I don’t know if this helps but I think that post was a tribute to Armistice Day. Walter “Looney” Crayton was believed to have fought in the 1921 Wilderness Battle. His poor wife had to fight for years to get his pension and eventually lived with a very interesting man. You can view the records on Ancestry.com (I have a few trees up for public view of the fenn history on different branches with links to the documents if youre interested) you can even read her letters to the government ‘offocials’. I think there was a parade in Santa Fe on the day that scrapbook was most likely written, as well as a police hunt for a bank robbery suspect, and another man arrested for going the wrong way on the fork of I-25 (at least from what I saw in the local papers)….im not sure that the BMV would be open on a holiday anyhow but this may help shed some light on a few of the “miscommunications” in the scrapbook…which, judging by its contents, and some articles from the Santa Fe New Mexican from that day, I am assuming that scrapbook was writted/or posted “a day late”.

      • Jonsey, That was very insightful. Never considered all that. I thought the 1921 Wildernes (s) referenced an article written by Aldo Leopold called 1921 Wilderness. He became the supervisor of The Carson National Forest a few years later.

        • It may well, I just assumed battle of the wilderness because it looked like a Vets day scrapbook and his relative being Walter and all seemed a fit. Back when it came out I’d checked the Santa Fe paper that day and saw the stories of the day before with the bank robber being persued tying up the roads everywhere and the other guy going the wrong way were the headlines. So when I saw “you’d think I’d robbed a bank” and ‘the importance of things going on the right direction’ it just seemed like maybe he wrote it the next morning (the 12th) while reading the paper. Maybe all just a total coincidence, who knows.

          • Very perceptive. The “you’d think I robbed a bank” makes a lot of sense when considering the events of that day.

          • Jonsey, I hate to admit it but what you say really makes sense. Why do you think he put the word “location” in quotation marks. After Jenny Kill posted his weekly words in Feb 2016 that said “Your destination is small, but it’s location is huge. ff”, I went back to this Scrapbook and tried to analyze it for “the big picture’. He has said many times, “Look at the big picture” and I was hoping SB107 was his riddle/map of the “big picture”. Now I think I was wrong and you are right. Thanks.

      • @DG – no, but I see a telephone cord “Twining” up… and hints of homonyms begin suggested with “write” instead of “right” and his choice of “Homo Sapien”. And possibilities for spoonerisms and wordplay. And he seems to be hinting or emphasizing the Spanish word “tonto”, which also means “moron”… so why not make the imaginative leap to a spoonerism for “moreno” and the valley found in northern NM?

    • “U Puceet” could have one other explanation.

      “There’ll be no paddle UP yoUr CrEEk, JusT…”

      Just throwing that out there. 🙂

  2. I think NM is way too close to home.
    It’s a good place to live.
    The treasure was obviously in this state at one time & knowing Forrest likes challenges, why would he keep it here?
    That’s not a challenge.

    • Jake, (You said why would he keep it here?) Because he hid the treasure at the same “special place” he had planned to commit suicide at beside the treasure chest. I’m not sure how much of a challenge he wanted if he’d have stayed sick and gone there to die. Would he have wanted to have to drive to Montana? Maybe, though, don’t know. Just my opinion.

      • cynthia,
        I can say for sure if I lived in or near any of the 4 states, I would search them first but this may be only because of proximity.

        Seeing I live in Florida for the time being, us out of stater’s are far away, I think we look at things differently.

        I see the hints in his books as being areas & Montana & Wyoming are mentioned more than NM.

        Why does he refer himself as 13 years old & what areas did he dwell in then? Texas, Wyoming & Montana.

        New Mexico came later in life & a nice place to live but I would think you would want to die where your fondest childhood memories lay.
        That’s how I feel anyway.

        • If forrest told someone to go back to the first two clues jake does that mean he got one and two right and work on there third clue ???? Whats your thought

          • I read your 1st comment a few mins ago & wondered what the 1st 2 clues are.
            You will have to sift through your emails to see what corresponds.

            I would have to say without a doubt that the 3rd clue is wrong if you gave him that info.

            What are or were you 1st 2 clues?

            Another thought is the 1st 2 clues are joined or the second clue is a no brainer after getting the 1st clue.

            Why have many gotten the first clue but not the 3rd…..

          • So i think its pretty point blank this person who got this email from forrest got one and two And not three a few years ago

          • I would say that is a likely scenario Diggin,
            I would also have to say that the 3rd clue is a trap.
            Get on past the 3rd clue & move on.

            Why does he say he’s not certain of people getting the 3rd clue?

          • He later says people may have gotten the first 4. And someone posted that onWikipedia and if that person got the first two in 2013 they were not in new mexico But could of been wyoming colo or montana

      • What if the chest is in NM, but the clues lead to say Wyoming? I posted a “what if” regarding this just now in the 9 clues section.

        Of course, it is only my opinion, but it seems very possible and also solves many questions searchers have had for years.

    • If Mr. Fenn was hinting that the searcher in question should return to the first two clues, maybe it’s because they were wrong and the third was correct? Or maybe Mr. Fenn was having a bit of fun? He’s told everyone he isn’t going to help searchers, and comments that suggest he’s doing so with a select few call into question his integrity.

      • I dont think u know the ole coot very well Integrity dont describe him i think alot of the ole codger but integrity is not in the thrill of the chase He is a unique individial who makes his own rules Kinda makes it fun picking out all the lies and throwing bannanas down left and right

  3. Jake,

    I’ve gone back and forth on NM for a while now. I’m not looking there, but there is one thing he did that makes me wonder if the treasure was originally meant just for those in the general vicinity. He put the book, in a very small, out-of-the-way bookstore in New Mexico; no where else.

    I kind of feel he might have left the chest, and the poem, for the locals to find. Sort of a “giving back” gesture. Sometimes I wonder if he could have possibly predicted the Chase would have grown as big as it has.

    Scott W.

    • Scott—-

      That’s a very interesting thought.

      But my Grandma said to me in a dream: “Listen Honey, it ‘s been moved twice already. It started out in New Mexico. But the darn thing’s in Wyoming right now. Go get it before he moves it to Montana”.

      I’ve been concentrating on Wyoming for the time being. I might center on Montana next year though. 🙂

      • I dont believe Forrest Fenn is moving the Treasure He said it was out of his hands when he smiled and said
        to him self Forrest did you really just do that.

    • Scott, I totally agree with you for that being a valid point to the treasure chest residing in NM. Didn’t he also say that he had only 1000 copies printed the first time and gave many of them away to all his friends because he was afraid no one would buy them? On top of that, he came to NM to heal both physically and mentally after retiring from the military. I think he was trying to “give back” to the people of Santa Fe. IMO.

      • I hope not. That would mean there is only an “answer” (one state) and not “answers” (two or more states)–and the poem needs to be changed back to the singular “answer” once again.

    • Scott–

      The more I think about what you said the more I am beginning to think you’re right. If the treasure really had been buried “in the Rockies” it would have been stated as such from the beginning.

      But it started out very small with “buried in the mountains north of Santa Fe” being the original instructions. I believe however a car was rented in Texas and driven to New Mexico (I have my reasons for believing this) and back.

      I often say “the darn thing’s in Wyoming”, but I have come to the realization it is not far from where Forrest lives, and he could easily drive there in an afternoon.

      • Perhaps he’d prefer to fly from Santa Fe to Taos instead of making the drive. Or Angel Fire. Or Raton. Asking the question does not exclude these.

  4. It’s not that I have a problem, with helping out, it’s that I don’t “really” know, how “it” all works, so, I can sort of figure out, some solves, that wouldn’t be correct, but, like, if I want to “work” on “something” related, to the book, is that permissible?

    • May I suggest that you go to the top of any thread, like this one, and read the “rules” and the “Cheat Sheet”, and the Fundamentals sections. This will help you navigate a little better. Read, and learn. On the right of each thread are LOTS of individual threads that you should spend some time with…especially the Searcher’s discussions. Here is a complete list of the threads – read as many as you can. This will give you insight into what other searchers think about various subjects. Hope that this helps. JDA

  5. A couple of posters here, including Cynthia, have inspired me to write-up my solution from this last summer when I did BOTG in northern New Mexico. I didn’t find the chest, but I never made it to my intended target location. So the specific spot remains unsearched, so far as I know.

    Ken (in Texas)

  6. IMO…if the treasure is in NM, with so many searching that state, and the length of time ..5 yrs. you guys could have turned over every rock in the state.So whats missing here?

  7. Quick question to the other NM’ers.

    When considering search boundaries in NM, do you believe it is appropriate to limit to just Rio Arriba and Taos counties? Or is there an argument to include Colfax and San Juan?

    • E.C. Waters … mostly it’s Taos and Rio Arriba. But one might also want to research northern Sandoval and northeastern San Juan Counties. I have never even bothered with Colfax County, though I suppose one could.

      Ken (in Texas)

    • I often search areas in Colfax County…Cimarron Canyon, east of Eagle Nest, eastern section of Valle Vidal, Vermejo Ranch, Elliott Barker Wildlife Management Area. Some of what I just mentioned is in the Carson National Forest.

        • Datil is way south of Santa Fe. I mean, it’s south of I-40 so south of Albuquerque too, which is neither here nor there, but it is a pretty area and not far from Pie Town.

          • Kind of interesting. I remember Sheldon Renan, author of “Treasure ( in search of my the golden horse)” saying that Dr. Crypton (Paul Hoffman), who created the puzzle years ago, originally had two places in mind at first to bury the horse: Riddle, Oregon, and Pietown, NM.

            They wound up burying it in Tennessee Pass, CO., but I find it very interesting that the clues would lead anyone to Pietown.

            I have noted many strange correlations between that hunt and this one. Many of the clues in that book (floating kites, gloves, the owl at the end, the warm wind,etc) are very close to hints given in this one. That truly intrigues me very much.

    • SL, Thanks for sharing this link. You just solved “And hint of riches new and old.” and maybe home of Brown. Maybe Eagle Nest was named for this small Mexican Brown eagle, which fits my aforementioned SB107 envelope name U Puceet (up-you-see-it.) Or not.

      • Another possibility for Eagle Nest is to explore its origination as a PO stop, and the name of Talmadge Neal’s daughter. He named his PO stop “Therma” after her, which as you, know the etymology implies this is where some warm waters will halt.

        • I think “crag” means eagles nest too. I was searching by Mt. Saints John and had a pretty cool, yet fruitless, solve/search a few years back. Out in the Tetons past Jenny Lake, Mystic, String Lakes etc. is a really neat “Lake in the Crags” I believe at one point I found it meant Eagles Nest but could be remembering wrong.

          • timw- id followed a ferry ride across jenny lake which passes a certain “Brown” home. Id seen the view depicted in a painting and decided to start there in real life. From there I just followed trails and clues in the book up through the string lakes etc just doing what the poem seemed to say. it lead to Mt Saints John (at least thats where I decided at the time it did) and nestled in there was an old glacial “Lake in the Crags” I googled Crag and saw about eagles nest. wasnt looking for a “crag”…the lake drew me due to an avialtion anomalie but id laughed at the “Eagle has Landed” pun, so I just happened to remember it when I saw the nest discussion.

  8. I strongly believe the road in the very NW upper corner has the clues nailed. Brown, canyon down waters hault a large water container with pipes and clearly an old old tub. An abandoned old car. just west of the overpass. You find a tall metal sign with the name Brown. Look down and you see an old house a dry canyon. I saw a snake and some bear leavings which caused me to leave way too early but there the treasure still lies.

  9. I am an armchair searcher so I will throw something out to all of you looking in New Mexico.
    Forrest said you can smell pinyon nuts and sagebrush from the spot of the treasure.
    Below is the pinion map of New Mexico
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Pinus_edulis_range_map_1.png
    Below is the sagebrush map in New Mexico
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_tridentata#/media/File:Artemisia_tridentata_range_map_1.png

    If you blow them up and match them up to a map of New Mexico, you will narrow your search area quite a bit.
    It looks to me that up by Taos is the most likely spot.
    JMHO.

    • As I research more areas… and other peoples solves I am finding out a lot of these areas and the searchers solves actually fit the poem… which leads me to believe that maybe Fenn wrote the poem to fit a lot of the areas in the rockies.. So people would visit all the states and enjoy what each has to offer its the area he don’t talk about is the one I think the chest would be …”a non-fiction writer has to be right only 85% of the time”

  10. 1idwillhe,

    I agree. It’s been an awesome ride through times and places of generations past. That Flyer sure is a great professor!

    SL

  11. I emailed F a yr or so ago…explained my theory of why he hid treasure in NM. I explained that with all the trespassing and trouble the thousands of searchers were causing in NM and the authorities were not to happy with his can of worms he opened, F added “Rocky” to his previous clue of, “hidden in the mountains N of Santa Fe…” to spread out the searchers and get them out to other beautiful places. The “off the couch” idea came later. So I was basically asking him if THAT’S why he added “Rocky”…
    He curtly replied, “They are synonymous, Donna.” (The same)
    I wanted to rebuttal…I know they are the same but WHY did you say “mountains” first, then a YEAR later, say “Rocky”?!
    I never got the courage to ask. I slunk away with my tail between my legs, dully chastised by the great F, himself.
    Later, I realised what he said and why. Now my target is NM.

    • SL, thank you for sharing that link! What an amazing woman. I found her fathers school very interesting. I actually went to a similar school for a couple of years ( I was allowed even though I’m a girl. Long story). Those were the best years of school for me!
      I gotta get that book!

  12. I’ve enjoyed reading: Enduring Acequias, a book by Juan Estevan Arellano. I have learned so much from this book about the land and the water in New Mexico. I’d recommend this book to any New Mexico searcher.

    • Has anyone read “remember our predecessors” by Juan Esteban Arellano. It explains the landscape and why it was named as it is. Its really worth reading. When I download the article there is a page missing. I read it a few years ago and it was all there, but when I went to download it a page is missing. If anyone has luck finding the full article could you please post it for every one to read. IMO this article will give everyone a lot of helpful information on their quest for the chest.

  13. Is there somewhere that FF said that the Tres Piedras area is not anyway connected to the poem? It seems that I read that on this website but after extensive searching, I have not found it again. I have read the Tewa Connection by Dal and find it very interesting. Good luck to everyone !

    • tk-
      After Nick and I searched in Tres Piedras we went to see Forrest in Santa Fe so Nick could film an interview with him. When we walked in, Forrest asked where we had been searching. We told him Tres Piedras and Forrest replied “That’s a dumb place to search.” or something similar. I no longer remember his exact words. He did not say that the treasure wasn’t there. He didn’t say that we shouldn’t look there. He just made a derogatory remark about how ill-suited Nick and I were to figure out where the chest was hidden. I felt at the time that he was just giving us a hard time…playing with us… as friends do. On the other hand, I haven’t searched again in that location.
      It does seem to me his exact quote was somewhere and that is probably what you read…but I can’t figure out where it was either…

  14. Thank you as well. I am beginning to rethink my solve as all the rivers, lakes and creeks I have been to or seen while driving in NM have fishing trails up and down them.
    Maybe the chest is in the woods off the trail?

    • Yea forrest didnt like being on the trails definitly off the beaten path And whats funny is he says obey the rules in yellowstone park and stay on the trails so that kinda rules out the park

  15. Depends upon what the meaning of the word is means. If is means is, and never has been, that’s one thing. If it means, there is none, that was a completely true statement. –Bill Clinton

    Seriously???

    • Fascinating Kenneth, Loved all the associations. Yes, too dangerous, but the reasoning was so intriguing. And a lot of work and research. Thanks for sharing your journey.

    • Good to hear from you. Very nice story sharing your solves with all the documents to back them up. I wish you would have included the formation you so aptly named “The hole in the pig’s ear”. I will always know the other formations you coined as the “elephant tusks and feet”. It was fun searching for you there at the Ghost Ranch multiple times. If it hadn’t have been for you, I probably would not have taken the awesome hikes I took there; the entire Ranch property is beyond beautiful, if you like desert-like environments with the red rocks, blue sky, and green vegetation. I LOVE your hot water spring. To me, it totally fits…an un-named warm water spring in the middle of no where, or so it seems. Good luck to you. Cynthia

      • Thank you Cynthia, I remember you telling me how beautiful it was there while you were searching for me. I had to see it for myself, I have no regrets. I learned one thing while you were searching for me, it’s never going to be anything like you see on google maps or earth. So I was prepared for that. I wish I lived near that area, I really enjoyed the hike up to Chimney Rock.

    • Kenneth S. – Great solve, very well thought out and presented. Thank you for sharing. Echo Amphitheater (hear me all and listen good) is very nearby as well, and also there is a little back country airstrip just across the road from Ghost Ranch. As of a few years ago it was still open to curious pilots lol. My theory is that FF was the anonymous individual who scattered GO’s ashes on Pedernal. You have likely come to the same conclusion, as I see you’ve done your GO homework. Thanks again.

  16. Absolutely fascinating Kenneth! Thanks so much for sharing your ideas and your solve.
    I have visited the Ghost Ranch several times and yes the entire area is beyond beautiful just as Cynthia stated.
    Your illustrations and photos are excellent! Your solve makes me want to go looking for the treasure right this very minute but unfortunately the treasure isn’t hidden in Pennsylvania! I will have to wait for a couple months!
    Thanks again,
    Tom

  17. Here is an update to the snowstorm that just passed through NM within the last 24 hours. The Sangre de Cristos got pounded…the town of Questa received 2 FEET of snow. Taos Ski Valley almost 2 feet. Santa Fe Ski Area 20 inches. Both Red River and Angel Fire also got a bunch but I didn’t hear the exact amounts. Sipapu also received a bunch. Both Taos and SF ski resorts extended their ski seasons by another week due to the recent storm. I was in Questa and Red River a week ago…around 60 degrees and Fenn treasure searchable at lower elevations. Not now! If anyone is planning on searching for Fenn’s chest in the next few days, you need to be aware of this recent snowfall. Bring boots and a shovel! 🙂 I think the other areas of NM are ok…in other words, all you searchers should go look in Chama, Abiquiu, etc. Ha ha! I’ll let you know when Red River, Taos, Angel Fire, and Eagle Nest are clear…I’ll show you a picture of the trove. Ha Ha! Just kidding…we all know Diggin is going to find it in Montana. cynthia

    • Thanks Cynthia…
      So it sounds like that chest is buried for certain…at least today…if it’s in the mountains north of Santa Fe…but still in NM…

    • Break out the Saint Bernard Cynthia and go get it u ain’t scared !!! Montana has sunny skies yipppppppeeeee I selling junk like crazy so I can high tail it west Before Dal I don’t wanna be trippin over him hehe

      • DG, You should plan on searching Montana before Fennboree on your way to Fennboree. Dal posted he’s going to his search place AFTER Fennboree (I’m going to follow him and stalk him but don’t tell him I said this.) Or he already knows I plan to follow him and he was trying to throw me off and he, too, is going before. Hmmm…what’s a girl to do? You’re right…I’m not scared…I’ll strap on my snowshoes and just go get it. I have to beat IronWill …he’s coming this way next month, I think.

          • I was just all over angel fire area last weekend. I’m just in Albuquerque so I’m lucky I get to be close to where we all know it is. Right Cynthia? lol. Darn snow. I was going to head there again this weekend but I guess I’ll hold off another week.

          • Yes, RB, What a bummer for us searchers but think how this latest moisture will help the forests from burning later on…I hope. I also had hoped to head north this weekend but will hold off for a couple weeks.

      • Diggin, didn’t you have a solve recently about “mother Mary” ? Perhaps Fenn is throwing you a bone with this latest snippet over on Mysterious Writings. BTW I think Wyoming and New Mexico are both plausible scenarios guys. Ladies and gents the winner is……:)
        https://youtu.be/qYhwhtak1S8

  18. I’ve heard and watched many talk about the New Mexico Game and Fish regulations definition of “warm waters”, and how it could apply to “The Chase”. After all, NM is the only state (of the 4) that actually has a definition of “warm waters”.

    However, if you carefully read the NM Register (19.31.4.8), there is a very specific metes and bounds description of the boundaries of “regular trout waters” which almost perfectly matches the search area in NM as shown on the map from the TFTW book.

    It goes on to define “warm waters” as:
    “Warm waters”, as used herein, shall include all streams, lakes, and ponds except those designated as trout waters above…

    I therefore conclude that there are no “warm waters” as defined by NM Game & Fish, within the northern NM search area that are relevant to the “The Chase”. (It could be argued that the small area east of Cimarron is in the search area, and would be considered as having “warm waters” but it’s not in the mountains).

    If you have any information (or opinions) to the contrary, I would like to hear it, and discuss.

    TTFN

  19. Focused, It was fun meeting you at Fennboree. If you ever want a partner to search NM on horseback – & your Dad just doesn’t feel like sitting in a saddle, contact me.

  20. Everyone’s comment are greatly appreciated. I’m a flatlander from Oshkosh, Wisconsin preparing for my first trek to Taos and the Enhanted Circle area. I have five to six ‘General Solve’s’ put together and am beginning to re-think them based on a new theory. As ff is an Archcheologist and is heavily involved (I think) in area excavations, it makes sense to me that there must be something about an area Pueblo integrated into the Poem. For example, it seems ff spends much time in Tesuque. The Tesuque Pueblo owns a tract of land called the Ramon Vigil Land Grant high up in the Santa Fe Forest. The boundaries of this parcel are described. Still, everything has to start with the WWWH. Could it be a general area (i.e. Where the Rio Grande comes into New Mexico and becomes a colder river – in general) or is it something specific like Taos Springs? Any thoughts to help a new searcher would be greatly appreciated.

      • Same problem Michael – ANY pueblo in NM is Native American land – whatever you call it. Be it a pueblo, an Indian Reservation or what-ever. JDA

    • Michael, Welcome to the Land of Enchantment where Forrest Fenn hid a treasure chest worth over a million dollars…don’t listen to Diggin Gypsy! Ha. Sorry, DG.

      I also believed an old archeological site was a viable “special place” for him to hide the loot. I wrote multiple stories that Dal posted about my searches around Santa Cruz Lake and La Caja Pueblo Ruins on the mesa top overlooking it. I think there were 4 parts which Dal posted here the end of 2015 beginning of 2016. I searched the canyon down from the bridge in Cundiyo where the warm waters halted, around the lake edge and on the mesa tops, making a dozen trips to this area. You could take another look if it fits your ideas. This is all BLM land, not pueblo/tribal land.

      I also have searched the side canyons along Taos Canyon (Hwy 64…the southern stretch of the Enchanted Circle) so am warning you to make sure you DO NOT TRESPASS on the Taos Pueblo / Tribal land which begins at the top of some of these side canyons. It was fenced and marked frequently with signage. There are many springs in these canyons…I used them as my wwwh.

      As others mentioned, it is risky to search on any tribal land, reservation, or pueblo. If the Indians own it, you will likely need a permit just to take pictures on their land.

      Good luck.

      cynthia

      Good luck.

      • lol Cynthia I knew you would chime in hahah Ok Michael here’s some helpful info obey the laws don’t dig or go where it’s breaking laws in New Mexico esp on Indian land

        • One eyed – yes, the guy died on the Rio Grande and Fenn came out and said something to that effect, but it might still leave the far northern/CO sections as viable, but many seemed to take it as not in the RG at all. But yes also, he came out and said the chest is not IN water…many have been arguing that might mean it is not completely under water, but could still be partially in (but not ALWAYS in water).

      • thanks Cynthia. I appreciate the feedback and will be careful. I have some other ideas but just recently started thinking ‘Pueblo’ and ‘Archeology’.

        Are you still out there searching?
        Michael

        • I search once or twice a week…within or near the Enchanted Circle. Sometimes my ventures are more of a hike in the woods or along the mountain streams more than a search. I love that entire area. And even though that massive amount of terrain seems daunting (the EC is 100 miles in diameter making it about 800 sq miles in size), if you eliminate a third of it for the Taos Pueblo land, and another third because it’s over 10200 feet, you only have a bit over 250 square miles of searchable terrain. Then you look at what is accessible by car since we know Fenn drove to a parking spot, and it seems doable. HaHa. Or not…I’m still looking at new spots all the time. Molly and I are going again tomorrow with a legitimate wwwh and will take it in the canyon down. AGAIN!

        • This is on Nambe reservation land but is open to the public. I have hiked to the falls and walked around the lake…it was nice but not a place to search for Fenn’s treasure, IMO. You would not be allowed to take or keep anything from THEIR land. When I drove through the entrance station and they saw my dog in the car, I had to show them the leash and promise to always have my dog on a leash and clean up after her. This was probably 20 years ago.

          • Thanks Cynthia. My initial ideas seem best to try out. I know most of my potential ‘solves’ have been searched countless times but you just never know. Only having 2.5 days, I have to be fairly efficient. After learning about this area, I sure wish I lived out there. Maybe in 10 years when my Son becomes and Adult and I can leave Wisconsin. 🙂

          • Thanks Cynthia. My initial ideas seem best to try out. I know most of my potential ‘solves’ have been searched countless times but you just never know. Only having 2.5 days, I have to be fairly efficient. After learning about this area, I sure wish I lived out there. Maybe in 10 years when my Son becomes an Adult and I can leave Wisconsin. 🙂

  21. Hello… All, … Long Time Listener First Time Caller.. LOL
    NO Seriously, Did I hear right Fenn admitting it is not in water and is not in the Rio Grande …Due to another recent death and others trying to get him to end this Treasure Hunt??? Any Feedback is appreciated !!!

    • Look across the top of the home page…the thread is named “Safety First”. Forrest posted this last month. I think he was pretty definitive when saying not the Rio Grande River and the treasure chest is not UNDER water. Read for yourself below or go to the top of HOD and read the entire post.

      SUBMITTED JUNE, 2017
      BY FORREST

      When I said the treasure was not hidden in Utah or Idaho it was my plan not to narrow the search area further. But in the light of a recent accident, and in the interest of safety, I feel it necessary to alter that plan.

      The treasure chest is not under water, nor is it near the Rio Grande River. It is not necessary to move large rocks or climb up or down a steep precipice, and it is not under a man-made object.

      Please remember that I was about 80 when I made two trips from my vehicle to where I hid the treasure.

      • HI Cynthia,
        How are you and Molly doing? I’m going to be coming out to Taos September 17th and was wondering how the weather is in the mountains. I had spoken to a couple Rangers and Staff at the Wild River Visitor Center that said the Aspen begin to change this time of year but that snow is not common.
        This time, I’ll have a Jeep Renegade so hope to make it down to the John Dunn Recreation Area a little more easily than before. It will be handy on some of the forest roads I hope to make it to.
        I was just curious if you could give me an idea of what the weather might be like this time of year.

        Thanks Much,
        Michael from Oshkosh, Wisconsin

        • Hello, Mike from OshKosh by gosh, Hope you’re headed to John Dunn area to soak in Black Rock Hot Springs and not search for Fenn’s treasure since he ruled out the Rio Grande. You did say mountains as well so I suspect that is where you will be searching for the loot… in the mountains. Yes aspens should be pretty then. Always prepare for rain and freak snow storm at higher elevations anytime of year. Definitely good to rent a jeep or something that has high clearance for the forest roads. I think Patrick Miley was freaking out when he followed me to my wwwh last week and he was driving a BIG SUV! But then he lives in flat old Florida so isn’t use to a hill or deep ruts in the dirt. Ha Ha Patrick if you read this! And thanks for asking about Molly and me… we are doing fine and still go out searching once a week. Stay safe and welcome to NM, the Land of Enchantment and a bronze box! (DG, what d’ya say?!)
          cynthia

          • HI Cynthia. I appreciate the response. Yes, the John Dunn Rec Area is just to gratify the photographer in me. There is great subject matter there. In your recollection, are there any other spots in the area that I really should photograph? Ideally, outdoor places where there are people of multiple generations visiting.

            As for my search, I’ve been advised to stay out of the mountain road ruts just in case. Which should be alright considering there isn’t far to walk from where I’ll park. I was thinking of bringing a couple bags of sand or gravel with me.

            Thanks again!
            Michael

          • Ohhhhhhhh myyyyyyyy I just love when you lead people away from Montana gives me more room to move my elbows as I carry the bronze chest over the hill and thru the woods on way there now. Yippppppeeeee ki yea

          • Good luck Diggin Gypsy ! Enjoy your trip! Just let me know if I need to stop looking..k. See ya my friend…

          • 4th trip and last trip of the year Thank u I will I do feel hot this time guess will see

          • Aaarrrggghhh.. Even tho I do want to see Montana for all of its beauty.. wink wink… I think you may be wasting your time … Wander South there be treasure down here !!!

          • Feeling hot, looking for love, nibbles in delicate places, two can keep a secret if…ah you get the gist of it, fishing in the Rockies.

          • Cynthia:The funny thing is about an account story and Ernest and his ranch.
            After a few years, Ernest died and Bill too. I never came back because the moment had passed and the atmosphere disappeared. And I did not want to know that my prehistoric friends no longer lived in the creek.
            It reminds you of a local (Bandelier) location of a ranch there,

          • Aspens dont grow where chamisa grows. Also its a fine line aspens rarely grow where pinon grows. IMO i have only seen aspen grow with pinon in a coulpe of places and i can almost garantee you an 80 year old man would not walk into areas like that. Especially twice in one afternoon

  22. Thanks to all NM searchers for their comments. I just got back from my NM search. I enjoyed going out to many of the general search areas mentioned above. The Northern New Mexico area holds amazingly beauty. I can see FF’s attachment to these lands. I am certain he hid the treasure in NM. Keep looking, happy trails to all!

    • Glad you had a good time in beautiful northern NM. Being from NM I can attest to its beauty. Sorry you didn’t find “her”. but maybe next time…if I do not beat you to it in Wyoming. JDA

      • What part of NM did you come from…? My wife grew up in Santa Fe and Albuquerque.

        Good luck on your WY search. Fenn is in even craftier than I thought if he was able to slip away to WY without his wife noticing…

        • Raised in ALbuquerque, went to High School and a year of college at N.M.M.I. in Roswell.

          YUP – YUP, Forrest is crafty. JDA

        • Mick, however crafty you think FF is, you
          should probably multiply it by a factor of at
          least 10. Then I think you’ll be (kinda) close
          with your estimation of his craftiness.

          Maybe he landed in Roswell about 1947.
          I have never heard of someone else on earth as crafty as FF.

          Just kidding with that last paragraph.

          The above is my opinion.

  23. i love NM The treasure is NM its a must see State the beauty is over welming have fun but be safe

  24. hi i have been very busy running my small businesses and getting reopened. we just had a small windfall come our way. i may get to go search this year after all. If you see a nuclear explosion in the N TX area it will be hubby when he finds out I want to go. lol
    PS light of the world events i hope i didn’t offend anyone this is any old joke in my family going back to when my son wrecked his first car and it was hubbys.

  25. OMG! There appears to be a duplicate of everything I saw in NM in CO! Wow, Glad I ventured out to see what appears to be a second of two omegas. Crazy times and beautiful colours – glad to visit and will return again and again. Moving from NM to CO. 🙂

  26. Even though I had a fairly small area to search, it was still too large to not have solved the clues enough to pinpoint a precise location. Beautiful, beautiful, and rugged. It was like a dream.

    I came away from my second trip to Northern NM still convinced of my general solve area but knowing that something definitive needs to be identified if I’m to be successful. Also, I learned it is very hard to figure things out from an armchair when the reality if so very different from the picture Google Earth presents. That said, the trip was important in the grand scheme of things.

    My next trip out is June 8-11th of next year. This gives me time.

  27. So i read that Forestt has said some people have been within 200 to 500 feet of the treasure. I was wondering if anyone has emails they have exchanged with him telling him the location that they have searched or are going to search. We know for a fact that multiple people have been close to the chest. If we knew where everyone has gone then by the process of elmination we can nafrrow down the seach for everyone. I have been working on the poem for a few months and believe it to be in NM. I will be heading out with my brother in a week or two. Thanks

  28. I’ve just made my 2nd trip to my solve. I didn’t find the TC but my solve fits all of the clues. I haven’t been wise enough to find the correct blaze. I won’t be returning for a while. Anyone want to check my solve? Maybe for a finder’s fee?

  29. I read a lot about geology, history and geography. Those things don’t always help me or maybe I won’t know until later. I think I will start sharing some in case others are researching this stuff.

    Too Far To Walk has always sound like Tuffa or plain old Tuff is being referenced. When I read about the geology I get lead to certain areas, sometimes repeatedly. Like south of Las Tablas NM.

    Here is an article or paper:
    https://nmgs.nmt.edu/publications/guidebooks/downloads/62/62_p0223_p0234.pdf

    Lugnutz

  30. I filmed this entire video in New Mexico, all from one camera, one special spot, I do not know if it is Fenn’s special place, but it is mine and it Borders on unbelievable. SO ENJOY, be patient it is slow to develop, but worth it. Remember that it has taken about 7 years to find this exact solve, I have combed it with a fine tooth metal detector, TC is not there, although it is majestic and beautifully awesome in size and simplicity it is worth seeing.

    If you type in Winter Thoughts or Tom Terrific into the search line on this blog, you can read about the background for this conclusion, I plan to ask Forrest at the Collected Works Book signing for Once Upon a While if I were standing where indulgence rests, would the BLAZE be above or below? Because when that short window of yellow golden foliage covers this area like golden fleece it is all below this location at 10,090′

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-GD4vhA3No&feature=em-share_video_user

    What do you think?
    TT

    • Nice Tom Terrific,
      That is a beautiful area and a place I plan on searching again. Those crazy ammo box geocaches on Windy pass sure sent my heart racing. If you ever find what was recently buried in the center of the old wagon road let me know. Thanks for sharing.

      • Straw, you always have a unique perspective and now what with Sandy and Golden R and Spallies etc, Mr Terrific is reaching a truly sui generis audience, thank you for those kind words and encouragement, If your team ever needs a stick figure who wears an upside down funnel for a hat, I am your little guy…

        T Terrific

      • Wow, awesome Tom! Did I see a firering aka Blaze… an old pinyon tree or sage brush and lichen on the rocks? What a super great hidey spot I can almost picture the cowboys hiding up there 🙂 What is that square black thing on the rock above the firepit??? Thanks for sharing…

        • Not sure when you say fire pit and square black thing, well that is just an old bronze chest kids drug up, and it makes a great seat, about 10″ X 10″ but kinda short 5″ or 6″ for grandpa Terrific but my grandkids seem ok with it, but claim its too heavy to take home so we left it for hext time we film….?

          TT

          • Starting at the 9:32 Mark theres a black spot with about 1/2 circle of rocks… just up to the right is a dark rectangle on the rock…Was just wondering what it was??? Maybe it was just a shadow?

      • My fav dog is a Retriever he’s a Choclate Lab named Manfred, loyal, brave but needs a waiver to have a normal Dog IQ, sorry but he is actually 19 years old now and does not like to go outside to do his business so we are afraid of his future, his real name is Sir Manfred Zane Grey. He’s a great western dog, but slow on finding his toys now.

        TT

    • TT, this video is magnificent! One of my favorite places on Planet New Mexico/Colorado. Lots of history there. Great area down on the Los Pinos for lunker browns and Bigfoot sightings too. The Utes and Navajo are big believers in the bigfooted one; it is advised to carry Sweetgrass when in that country…

      • Yeah Sandy, a Glock .40 is not a bad idea either, didnt you tell me about a large Grizz Brown Bear killed at the border in 1967? The old timers up there killed a lot of Lions and Brown Bears, they sometimes called em Cinnamon Bears, but if I see a Brown, I will head the other way squakin n makin noise and holding that pea shooter just in case. I have seen Moose near there but not since the 80’s.

        Wild that area is.

        TT

  31. Make sure to put this video on full screen and pleas share it on facebook, Thanks, it might be featured on NM True some time in the future, I am in touch with them now.

    TT

    • Tom –

      Are you standing near Osier Station?
      Or which vantage point is this?

      Di you make it out to either of the Water stops?

      Lugnutz

      • Thanks KidUtah this is the easiest walk in the Rockies if you know where to park your sedan, you could make it to within a mile and quarter driving, but if you decide to go up, you may need a guide cause wrong turn could turn out bad….just sayin.

        There are no human trails to this spot but a 6 and 8 year old have made in snow storm with Grand Pa.

        Tom Terrific, AKA Grandpa call me Mr Terrific like Grammie does, I think it is because she feels sorry for me, what I am after all is a stick cartoon figure with a funnel placed upside down on my head and a loyal Lab companion named Manfred. Hes brave that dog, but not so smart, last time he got after a badger and it was not pretty, those guys are kin to Wolverines…

  32. New Mexico has so much going for it. The mystique of New Mexico is unparalleled, in the search area. Mr. Fenn said in an interview that he hid the chest. as a way of giving something back to the (local) community. And his plan to suicide at the hiding place, if he became gravely ill again, would mean the hiding place would have to be accessible year round, and close enough and easy enough to get to, if he were so ill, that he felt, it was time to die.

  33. Nice video Tom. Was the train your “heavy loads”…?

    I have a NM solve. Let me know if you’re interested in checking it out…

  34. Did a solve search today for a fellow searcher who is currently incapacitated and can’t get out. Went up into the Los Alamos area. Was good to get back on the trails again. Sorry it wasn’t there J!

    • Sean,
      I’m sure your searching for this person was greatly appreciated by them. Good deeds like that don’t go unnoticed in my eyes…. I’m glad you had fun… have a great night/morning…. until next time…. see ya

  35. My solve in short
    “MY SECRET WHERE = THE SECRET CITY=LOS ALAMOS
    WHERE =WHERE DESCOVERIES ARE MADE”. Thats the place where the big mushroom was made, the ATOM bomb where VON BROWN WAS WORKING
    HOB= THE MUDY BROWN COLOR OF PAJARITOS WHERE HUGE FIRES OCCURS ( BLAZE) AND WHERE IS THE HOME OF “LITTLE BROWN MUSHROOM” that grows only at this area.
    The only 10200 summit is in Pajaritos.
    NOW GO WEST TO :
    WWWH=Mccaully 3rd pool. if you go down the canyon you will reach the Rio Grande, we dont want that, thats the place where warm waters halt. If you are with your family take a warm bath and enjoy.NO NEED TO GO DOWN ON THE TRAIL, YOU WILL REACH THE CREECK THAT GATHER WITH RIO GRANDE -NO PADLE,…….Its not the place…..
    At Mccauly find the place where you can LOOK quickly DOWN , it should be a place where people can see all views, search for the treasure in the area, it must be above the cliffs and above Monolite rock.. take a good down and search there. look and see the epic views of the CLIFFS TO LEFT and when you look down you see THE TOP OF THE MONOLITE ROCK.
    Go back to your car and drive down the canyon to the monolite rock, search for rocks that look like Mushrooms or arches The treasure is somewhere there..
    THATS THE “WHAT IF” ….WE MUST NOT FORGET WHAT CAN SUCH A BOMB DO FOR GENERATIONS
    Thank you
    Zvia ben ami

    • Interesting, I’m not too sure what order you’re putting the different clues in though. One point to mention is that Von Braun worked on missiles down in White Sands, not on the bombs in Los Alamos. I don’t think that particular detail affects your solve much.

  36. I know this is not the place for entire solutions, so i will only say why New Mexico is where I started.

    I has been said on this site many times, but my search began in the first stanza of the poem.

    “new and old”

    I know Its not in Old Mexico, so it must be “New Mexico”.

    That fits perfectly with the next clue “Warm Waters Halt.

  37. Key words:
    ” NO PLACE FOR THE MEEK ”
    Reffers to the place not to a person. the place is extraordinary, arogant, DOMINATES it area, the place looks upon all from above, like a pilot flying with an aircraft. A VIEW POINT that is at the end of the road and looks down as if it ruls the place, with it head up (not like the meek who’s eyes are looking down.
    When yo get there, than look quickly down

    “IF YOU ARE WISE….” A wise always see all sides and compromise,no black or whitr only, Gray is a color too. the wise walk the midle path, so if you are on your way to the viewpoint and you reach a fork or a place where 2 or more roads gather, TAKE THE MIDLE PATH. If its where 2 or more creecks or rivers gather , TAKE THE MIDLE AND WALK OR RIDE STRIGHT, DIRECT !

  38. In a forum on Facebook somebody whose name I can’t pronounce posted about Alamo Canyon in the Jemez mountains. It turns out that there are two of canyons by that name in the Jemez. One north of Sulfur Spring. The other one near Bandelier National Monument. Pages describing the one near Bandelier are written with certain details..
    https://newmexicomeanders.wordpress.com/tag/alamo-canyon/
    This page is more interesting..
    http://srleebackyard.blogspot.com/2008/04/shrine-of-stone-lions.html

    Personally, I would just go down to the place where I would just go as far as the place where he sat down and had something to eat. That is still in the woods, by a creek. And that spot is about half way. There is no way that an eighty year old way would walk the whole trail twice.
    As usual, do NOT go alone. DO bring plenty of water and a sandwich.

    • The background picture on my phone is of Alamo Canyon in Bandelier. It’s taken from the rim, just south of the upper reaches of Lummis. Spectacular area, but well south of the 8.25 mile limit. Even the headwaters of that canyon don’t quite reach to 8 miles north of Santa Fe. I’m not familiar with the other Alamo canyon you mention and I don’t see it on the maps that I have.

      • The Way I draw the 8.25 limit is to put a ruler just below the Big Tesuque picnic area on in Hyde memorial park. Then draw a line across the map. My line goes through the visitor center at Bandelier. I suppose that somebody could go up NM4 and park at the upper trail head of the canyons where there is a large parking area and hike down. Or drive a FWD down forest road 289 A little.

        • I measure the Big Tesuque picnic area as about 1 mile north of the northern limits of Santa Fe. What I do for my measurements is that I get GE to where I can see the city limits of Santa Fe and get the lat/long from a point along it. Then put that into a lat/long to distance calculator to figure out what the latitude of a point 8.25 miles north of there is. Then I just make sure that anywhere that interests me is north of that latitude. I would give you that latitude number, but I’m at work and my notes are at home.

          PS 289 isn’t that bad in the summer. Usually has some washboard, but can be driven in almost any car provided you don’t try to drive it like it’s paved.

  39. It may be time for me to go back up to the Tusas Mountains and see Vallecitos Creek
    https://www.newmexico.org/nmmagazine/articles/post/dropping-out-tuning-in-93790/

    “…We came to unplug from electronic devices and leave behind busy schedules so we could focus our awareness, sharpen our senses, and better take in the beauty, complexity, and richness of the natural world. Such directed, quiet attention seldom happens in the hectic urban world where most of us make our homes. In coming here, we were answering to a yearning that’s increasingly common in today’s society.”
    “It’s a perfect setting for the reflective experience of nature and self.”
    “A 2,000-year-old stone arrowhead found on the property reveals that people passed through at least two millennia ago. We can imagine their conception of the place by considering the views of Ute, Jicarilla Apache, Puebloans, and other Native people in more recent times. For them, the Tusas Mountains were a place for hunting game and gathering medicinal and food plants. But they also regarded the mountains, like all of nature, as animate, full of portents and populated not only by wildlife but by monster-like characters and deities. The mountains held sacred sites of pilgrimage and were important actors in cosmology and everyday life.”

    That description made me curious enough to have another look.
    And I posted a picture on my twitter of some salmon in Vallecito creek.

    • After our retreat, as we talked for the first time, we yogis agreed that our time at the retreat center gave us a more thorough immersion in “the woods” than we would have felt without the meditation, the silence, the focused awareness. It had cultivated in us a capacity for attention that made a simple reflection of water on rocks into a marvelous vision. We felt reenergized and ready to return to our workaday lives with a new perspective, with a greater ability to hold close to each moment, wherever we may be.

  40. This could seem like a bit of a stretch, but it does relate to New Mexico,
    and may support searching there for the TC (or at least for “clue locations”).

    FF has written quite a bit about his life, including finding his first arrowhead when he was 9 years old (a little boy).

    Now he is — by some definition — wealthy (or, slangily, “fat”).

    So the story of his life would include going from being a “little boy”
    to being a “fat” man. Does anyone see any connection here?

    FF said that when he was in the Air Force, the jet aircraft assigned to
    him had an atomic bomb under the wing. After being a warrior with
    the capability of killing perhaps many thousands of people by dropping just one bomb, FF would be acutely aware of the horrors of war
    involving atomic weapons.

    In Albuquerque there is a museum with replicas of the only two atomic
    bombs ever detonated in wartime. The names of those bombs were
    “little boy” and “fat man”. There may be a connection here to the
    story of the progression of FF’s life, and (at least symbolically) I was
    thinking that warm waters (people — their blood, sweat, and tears) halt
    when the people die . . . i.e., at a place of war, otherwise known as a
    place where atomic bombs are. Even though the original “fat man”
    and “little boy” bombs no longer exist, the replicas do. So perhaps
    that museum in Albuquerque may be on — or related to — the search path for the treasure. I haven’t (as of today) searched for the TC in
    Albuquerque, but am planning to start a search trip this summer.

    The above is part of my opinion. Yours may differ. Good luck to all
    searchers.

    • If you are going to start a search in Albuquerque then I recommend the library at Central and Edith. It has the collection of books about New Mexico. But just a Google search of Trout water in Northern New Mexico is a good start too.

    • Your search could begin in Albuquerque, but you will not find the treasure there, since Forrest said that it is 8.25 miles north of Santa Fe, and Albuquerque is about one hour south of Santa Fe. JMO – JDA

  41. New Mexico, New Mexico, New Mexico.
    A big clue, hint, whatever you want to call it in the TTOTC, way before the map in TFTW in 2013. Read the book multiple times, thumbed through the pages hundreds of times and found a big clue just Friday evening.
    FF put two of the same things in TTOTC and on this site. So my money is on New Mexico for the solution.

  42. I just returned from 5 days in NM. I believe I was in the right place and very satisfied with my trip.

    My solution is directly from the poem. I was SOUTH of Santa Fe. I pulled no information from TTOTC and did not follow any hearsay. I used no ciphers or codes, just solved the clues similar to a crossword. Aldo Leopoldo is linked to my solve.

    I got myself to a man made blue trail blaze and a geologic blaze in a rock face, but no treasure was found in the two areas after a thorough search.

    I believe the treasure may have been already found. I shared some photos of the blaze with FF, but don’t expect to hear back from him.

    If anyone is searching south of Santa Fe I think you are on the right track. Good Luck –

    • Hi T-Moe.
      Are you unaware that Fenn said it’s north of Santa Fe, or do you know he said it but are just refusing to believe him?

      • I know that statement is attributed to him, but I have never heard him say it.

        I do know he said all the information you need is found in the pome.

      • I have a question. Where does the 8.25 miles north of Sante Fe come from?

        8.25 = too far to walk?
        Sante Fe = mentioned in TTOTC as a place FF would hide a treasure.

        • T-Moe;

          Forrest once said that the treasure is i66,000 “links” north of Santa Fe.

          As you rode your horse into town you had to pass 80 telephone poles in order to reach a mile because they were 1 “chain” apart, or 66 feet. Each chain had 100 links. Using the above, 66,000 links = about 8.25 miles – So that is where the figure comes from.

          Why did Forrest come up with the figure of 66,000 links north of Santa Fe? I guess only Forrest knows. – JDA

          • Seeker;

            Yes,(kinda) the original post started by saying, “*Since Richard mentioned the olden days let’s harken to 1620 when universal land measures first became law in England and America. As you rode your horse into town you had to pass 80 telephone poles in order to reach a mile because they were 1 chain apart, or 66 feet. And each chain had 100 links, if you wanted to break it down further.”

            I did not include it as a quote, nor include all of the info because it can be confusing. As it reads, it implies that in 1620, as you rode into town, you had to pass 80 telephone poles – and yet, the telephone was not invented until 1876 – hummm?
            This can be a bit confusing. The important facts are that a chain had 100 links and was 66′ long.

            66′ (Length of chain) X 80 = 5280′ = one mile.
            5280 divided into 66,000 = 8.25 miles.

            Still wonder why Forrest used the 66,000 links. JDA

          • Now JDA……

            You don’t think he could use the real units of measure do you? Everyone would go “right straight to it”……

            “The end is EVER drawing nigh”…..

            1F Billy

  43. Just spent some wonderful time at Ojo Caliente…the resort….I seriously doubt that’s WWWH but it sure was a nice and refreshing soaking.

  44. Visited El Vado and Heron Lake State parks yesterday. Nice places. Not searching per se, just exploring. Of course, the puzzle is always front and center so you’re always thinking.

  45. Posting links to “I think it is here”, because I am not sure which of these discussion groups is best to post things. Check out my entry for May 11th, under “John”. I mention my complete idea about the treasures location. To start with, I do think the Ojo Caliente is the right spot to start, but not the springs, but the river. Where? Where warm waters halt… At the top of the river at the town of LaMadera (The Wood—same as the nearby mountains—sound familiar?) The Ojo Caliente “halts” at LaMadera because it is formed there by the confluence of two differently named rivers. Tricky, but Fenn has made it all like that. Not cheaty, but clever. Read my “solve” and see what you think. If you go there, it is a very unique spot for NM. I would like to see this solved, and I suspect Fenn would too… I am too old and live way too far away to keep checking things out, and the altitude plays hell with you when your are tromping around and not used to it. If my “solve” helps anyone find it, be gracious and cut me in for half—I think that would be fair if I lead you to within a stone’s throw of it. No need to be greedy. Good hunting.

  46. I just caught up on about a years worth of reading. Its like everone got stuck in wonder land. FF is laying out the cluse thick. Hes even giving corordinates as to where to start. In close proximity any ways. I havent been up north in over a year. Or plan to search for the chest any time soon. Curiosity got the best of me so here i am. Dont get me wrong the chase is always in the back of my head and i have learned more about my heratige and geography since this all began. I have learned to see things as they are out there and interpret whhat they used to be like and read the signs left for us to follow. In other words history is all around us its not all buried. As whe have been led to believe. Its right in front of us. Magesticall is what it is open your mind and close your eyes. Our eyes lie to us all the time do we really know what we are looking at or do we just see what we want to see. There are treasures al around us if you truly recognize them you will find them. Or should i say they will tell you where they are. Im not speaking metaphorically. Goelogically Northern New Mexico is full of riches beyound your wildest dreams. FF k ows this and is telling all of us where its at. Indulgence is just a motivator to get us to go out into the woods to learn whats is out there. Its there but its pocket change to what you can really find. Why look for only one needle in a haystack when we should be looking to take the hay out of the stack of needles. Get where im.going with this. His last few posts with any kind of number in them are simple math problems. So.do the math and put in the numbers.. if youve read my posts i was searching south of where we should be. But its still below the HOB. the wolf in the trap is your west coordinates and losing 6 pounds gives you your northern coordinates. Hope this helps. Also in the woods also means pot or bowl in spanish. Good luck

    • To all,
      Just going over TFTW again last night. On pages 38-39 FF talks about a “special spot” on the Pecos. So I Google Earthed the area. The Wilderness Gateway Bed and Breakfast icon came up on the map. I went to their website and on the Area Facts & Maps tab was a map. On the map was an OMEGA (middle of the map and along the river). Also there was a picture of the Mountain Man Tree Farm. FF made references in TFTW to Mountain Man get togethers and has him wearing waders in a field of chopped down trees (tree farm) in TTOTC (page 146).
      The Wilderness Gateway Bed and Breakfast (WGBB) is actually a home for the owners. It is BROWN as it is a very large log cabin. The owners rent out the downstairs portion. It is right above the Pecos river and about 46 miles from Sante Fe.
      Warm Waters halt 1/4 mile below the Cowles Bridge and this spot is almost directly below the WGBB. This where the Pecos becomes Special Trout Waters (SWT).

      I’m not associated with WGBB so I’m not drumming up business for them.
      Just thought it was odd that their map had an OMEGA on it, their home is BROWN, the Pecos is below WGBB, Warm Waters halt just below the Cowles Bridge and almost straight down the hill from WGBB, FF could be there from Sante Fe in about an hour and FF said in TFTW “this special spot”.
      Also, Google Earth the distance of 8.25 miles north of Sante Fe and then go directly east and it is almost right at Cowles and WGBB. So these lines cross in this immediate area and is a little over 8.25 miles north of Sante Fe.

      I wonder what company made the map for WGBB? Tried to find out on the web but came up empty. Thought about calling the owners.

      Also, David Old, FF’s son-in-law is on the Upper Pecos River Advisory Committee and has a ranch in the area. Found this on the WGBB links page.
      I’m sure FF has many memories from this area with his family.

      The Pecos was not on my radar until last night.
      I don’t believe these are coincidences.
      Just my two cents.

      • Hi, Tarheel, Good work on your solution… I, too, thought, ff’s story about fly-fishing at his special spot on the Pecos River with his grand daughter Lucca might have been the unintended clue in TFTW. I searched several spots in the area but went further north to Cave Creek which was fun and really neat (I wrote a story about it which I think Dal posted a long time ago, and took a film crew there a year later.) I also went to Hamilton Mesa (made a YouTube Video of it because it was magnificent) and back some of the side canyons and campgrounds from Cowles. But, after Randy Bilyeu’s death, Forrest came out and said the 8.25 miles distance is from the NORTHERN LIMIT of Santa Fe, so that makes the bridge at Cowles and anything south of it out of the search range. Also the “special spot” on the Pecos in the picture in TFTW is on a Fenn relative’s private land so we searchers would not have access to that particular spot.

        I’m not saying the treasure isn’t hidden somewhere in the Pecos Wilderness, though, or other spots along the Pecos and it’s tributaries farther north. This is definitely easily accessible to Forrest and was his playground for many decades after he moved to SF in 1971. And even if you search here and don’t find Fenn’s loot, it is a treasure in itself! So accessible but not many people and it’s like being in the middle of nowhere.

        Thanks for sharing your ideas. cynthia

        • Cynthia,
          Thank you for the information. You cleared up some things for me.
          When we get back out there we will try and drive that road through the canyon. The pictures are incredible so the real thing has to be more so.
          Thanks again.
          Good luck and stay safe.

          • Tar, Since you mentioned you will come out here, definitely by all means drive back the road from the village of Pecos to Cowles. Also, I just relooked at my map and I was thinking of the bridge at Terrero that was not 8.25 miles north of the SF northern limits, so the Cowles area might meet the criteria. I know that the trail/hike to Cave Creek was definitely legit. Make sure you pay the fee if you park in the special trout water areas even if you aren’t fishing. I think it is required by anyone who uses the area. Have fun and good luck. Let us know how you make out.

      • A venture into any designated Wilderness area is always pretty special IMO. No motorized ANYTHING allowed (nor mountain bikes); only hikers and horses. USFS clear paths with bow saws (though commercial outfitters use chain saws; as a backpaker, I’m just glad I don’t have to navigate some massive tree brought down by last winter’s snow and knowing that my dogs can stay nearby).

        I have property that abuts the Pecos Wilderness so do at least one BOTG there every year, sometimes without even searching (OK, never with the intent of searching tbh). If you hike to the caves along Cave Creek as Cynthia suggests, park at Panchuela campground, which does require a modest fee. Stop by Los Pinos guest ranch just as you head up toward Panchuela after crossing the bridge at Cowles and say ‘howdy’ to Alice, the gracious proprietress of this multi-generational family-held property.

        If your schedule allows, drive up beyond Cowles to Jacks Creek, park, then do a day-hike up to Pecos Baldy Lake. For a (long) day-trip, you won’t have time to summit East Pecos Baldy, but you will get the real Pecos experience. You won’t find FF’s treasure, but you’ll achieve his intended objective.

        Years ago, I wound up camping next to Tap Tapley at Pecos Baldy Lake. Now THAT guy had some real stories to tell. He has a genuine lasting legacy for which all Americans should be grateful, and yet he didn’t think he had to hide any material goods to justify it. Just a genuine, modest patriot.

      • also…WGBB won’t be brown (or anything but dust) 1,000 yrs from now, so doubtful that that is ‘HOB’.

        • cynthia and aardvarkbark,

          Wilco to both of you. Thank you both for the travel tips. Hope to be out there within a few months.

          Once again, many thanks.

    • Glad to see you back Sancho. You’ve had some hard hits. Every sunset, every sunrise is a gift to acknowledge by a nod to the east and to the west each day. Be well.

      • Im just thankful to be alive My son graduates next week and has decided he wants to be a Marine. So ive been spending as much time with the boy as possible. The past year has been a treasure in its self . All the bad luck we had the years prior have turned out to be our best years yet. Lessons learned on hardships are by far the the the most memorable. And comeing out on top is inexplicably humbling. With that said . Don’t ever give up stay positive and help others selflessly tothe point where it hurts. And the good lord will reward you many times over. This is why i decided to make s few comments. Time to start giving back again. OS2 your replies to my comments are insightful and are very much appreciated. If i ever come to be 100% in my solve allthe credit is going to you. And i will include you in retrieving it and returning it toits owner. More to come soon. Just a nod you say?

  47. In the News today:
    Santa Fe National Forest will be CLOSED
    as of Friday June 1 2018 at 8:00
    due to extreme dry conditions.

    I hope that they meant 8:00 at night.

    I was planning to go on another trip to Cowles at the east end of the Winsor trail head. Maybe there is a place for me to sit without exhausting my body. There is also a fishing area along the Pecos river there where people park their cars along the river.

    If it fit the Chase at all it is because of the natural beauty that makes it special. Way up at the top is Santa Fe Baldy. Below which is a few high lakes, like Lake Katherine and Spirit Lake. Then down the Winsor Trail you may pass La Vega meadow where there is a large white outcropping. And on down to Cowles where there is a pond and a few homes. That is where I will be sitting.

    • With the lack of snow I figured it would be a bad fire season down there. I hope they get through it without a Mesa or Las Conchas size fire.

      • The closure order prohibits all recreational activities on the SFNF. Campgrounds, trails and trailheads, and National Forest System roads will be closed to the general public.
        I can’t even sit there.. Pray for rain before the fennboree.

  48. New Mexico forests are FINALLY open for searching.
    I took my 83 year old mother up along the Pecos River on road 63. It was so beautiful that I could only wish that my dad had been there to enjoy it with us. We stopped at every picnic area and camp ground along the way to the end of the road. Every spot had families fishing, camping, children playing, and showing the fish that they caught. I thought that if FF didn’t hide the treasure up here, this is where it should be.

    Spots along the road included: Monastary Lake http://www.pecosnewmexico.com/photo-gallery/event/MonasteryLake .. the photos do not do it justice. It is one of the most beautiful places in New Mexico.
    From there we went up the road and pulled over at an unnamed parking area by the river. So, I will call it the ‘Pecos River Fishing Access’. Further up the road is Windy Bridge picnic area, Bert Clancy picnic and fishing area, Willow Creek picnic area with the Jamie Koch Pavilion (an excellent place for a Fennboree), Mora Campground at the confluence of the Mora and Pecos rivers, Cowles Ponds, the Winsor Trail head, and at the end of the road is Jacks Creek camping and equestrian area. I passed by Holy Ghost camp ground and Cave Creek.
    Whether or not you are searching, camping, or fishing do not pass this canyon by. I had only one issue. It was just a little physical problem.
    While crossing a tiny creek between the two ponds at Cowles I fell flat on my face. Then I could not stand back up because my prosthetic leg kept slipping out from under me on the grass. A couple of men came over to me and grabbed me by both arms and helped me back on my feet. Thank you.

    At that moment I thought that I may be out of the chase. I remembered all of the times I had fallen over. I had never had a difficult time standing back up.. So, I questioned what the real problem was. I decided that the foot on my leg is so flexible that I really can’t dig my heals into the ground. Maybe I will use an old prosthetic next time. Or I will just use a walker on trails so I can lift myself up. In any event, I am not giving up the chase.
    See you out there.

  49. Golden Retrievers are going treasure hunting in New Mexico in a few days! I’m going to treasure hunt, then visit Ghost Ranch, then treasure hunt. I probably won’t treasure hunt near Ghost Ranch; I believe that area might be too much like desert. I’ll probably hunt at, or near, Valle Vidal and then, near the NM/CO border. Tom Terrific, Here I come.

  50. I hope my story helps you and others.
    I think I know where the chest is,,,
    I have decided to help you, gold seekers, to where the treasure is/was before Mr. Fenn moves on. I know he would like to be here when someone finds it, if no one has already. And I hope he appreciates me spilling the beans because he can’t.
    I have been back there several times and I am either missing a clue or two or needed to look when it was daylight. But I am going to share my knowledge with you because it is the right thing to do and my wife will divorce me if I go again. If you find it because of me, I would not turn down a token of gratitude of some kind.
    And to the thousands that know the location, but have not found it or got off your butt to get it and will be upset with me sharing, you had plenty of years to go and get it. It is time for someone to claim it before more stupid yahoos drown in a river. But Darwinism does come to mind.
    Are you ready?
    Go Map Google Cimarron New Mexico. Find French Lake. This is where “warm waters halt”. That is the towns Waste Management Treatment area. Can you handle poop and a fowl smell? Find the Peace Sign dividing up some of or near the lake. “Just take the chest and go in peace”. That is your entrance/exit point. By the way, it is No Trespassing and will have to be done at night. “nigh”. One more safety tip. In between the Peace pathway is a lot of brush and one or two open holes with pump stations in them on the right side. Please be careful. Behind the lake is a path that leads up to Ponil Creek. At the fork in the road, head a little to the left. You will be about 20 feet above the creek. “And take it in the canyon down”. At this point if you looked NE, you will find a mountain range that caught fire in I believe 2001. “If you been wise and found the blaze”. “Look quickly down, your quest to cease” if you look on your map, you will see a backward “S” curve at that point in the creek, “2 C’s”. “But tarry scant with marvel gaze” About 30 yards back down near the creek is an old drum barrel. “tar can”. I moved it once to see if there was anything inside or underneath but is has been moved again towards the creek. I have traveled up the creek for quite a distance. It is anywhere from a foot to three feet deep. I did get stuck in the mud and eaten alive by mosquitos. I thought I would find it in the creek near a fallen log or tree. The creek has changed courses with mud. I am missing a clue or two. It might be on the other side of the creek in a fern field or near a tree.
    This would be my suggestions. You can only pass the lake between June and September or it is too high and I would imagine the creek is as well. Grab 4-5 friends with a tent and sleeping bags and food. Head out at night and make your way to the other side of the creek. Set up tent near the trees. Wait until daylight and fan out in that area. It has to be in a 100 yard box from these clues. Find it and wait until dark to make your way out in peace. I couldn’t find enough idiots to go with me. One more thing, you need a driver to drop you off at the gate. St. James Hotel is nice and the food is good. Bring your bug spray. Deet didn’t even affect them.
    There is a small airfield close by and I can imagine Mr. Fenn flew over this area hundreds of time. It is also right next to an animal reserve. At the north end is S&W Ranch. I actually knocked on their door one Sunday morning when I couldn’t find it and was going to ask permission to head back from their property. They were probably at church.
    I hope someone finds it. My wife will divorce me if I ask to head back one more time. I have a lot of respect for Mr. Fenn and would like to see his game end while he is alive. He wants us to put our phones down and go enjoy nature before it is gone. Good Hunting, Buster

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