A New Mexico Solution…

by Morrison James Tayn-

As I have gone alone in there
 And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where, 
And hint of riches new and old.

(1.) “Begin it where warm waters halt”
Solve: Warm waters halt disease.
Location: “10,000 Waves” Spa Resort – Hot water Spa at 3451 Hyde Park Road, Santa Fe.
Note: This spa has been there for 30 years using the traditional Japanese Hot water therapy.

(2.) “And take it in the canyon down,”
Location: Follow Hyde Park Road (Ski Basin Road #475) in a canyon, towards the mountains
Note: You enter the canyon “down” before Hyde Park road ascends.

“Not far, but too far to walk.”
Instruction: 8 miles up to Ski Sante Fe Mountain
Note: 8 miles walking up 3600 feet, takes over 6 hours

(3.) “Put in below the home of Brown.”
Solve: In spanish “Home” is “Casa” and “Brown” is “Cafe”.
Location: Take the Winsor trailhead (#254) below the “Casa Café” at Ski Santa Fe Mountain, off of the parking lot.
Head towards the Borrego (#150) / Bear Wallows (#182) trail loop via Winsor Trail (#254).
Note: The trailhead is 10200 feet. Fenn, as per Dal, has said the treasure is specifically below 10,200 feet.

(4.) “From there it’s no place for the meek,”
Solve: “Borrego” is Portuguese for a gentle or meek person.
Location: At the trail fork of Borrego Trail (#150) & Winsor Trail (#254) continue on Winsor Trail (#254)

(5.) “The end is ever drawing nigh;”
Location: Consider a left off of Winsor Trail (#254), Bear Wallows Trail (#182)
Note: “Nigh horse” is on the left. The “Nighest route” is the most direct route. Creeks are “ever drawing” water

(6.) “There’ll be no paddle up your creek,”
Location: Investigate the shallow creeks along and off Bear Wallows and possibly Winsor trail. Head “up” creek.

(7.) “Just heavy loads and water high.”
Solve: You “bear” heavy loads and a ship “wallows” or rolls from side to side in water high as per Oxford Dictionary.
Location: Search Bear Wallows Trail (#182) for the blaze, most likely located up a side creek.

(8.) “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,”
Instruction: Look for a possibly “white” marked boulder 200+ feet up a side creek.
Note: Fenn says seekers have been within 200 feet of the treasure and describes, in triplicate, blazes as being “white”.

(.9) “Look quickly down, your quest to cease,”
Note: The chest is not buried but most likely covered or hidden in a hollow tree, root hollow, or rock crevice and it is “wet” as per Fenn, signifying it may be placed right in a shallow creek.

But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.
So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.
So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.

Map (Road in Black, Trails in Red)

(10.) Shortcut:
Bear Wallows Trail (#182) and Borrego (#150) are accessible from a small parking area, half way up Ski Basin Road #475.

-Morrison James Tayn

 

68 thoughts on “A New Mexico Solution…

    • Haha! I’ve never been able to do that on a website before. The little joys in life! 🙂

      Anyways, now that I actually read the post, I find it interesting. Thanks for sharing, Morrison! I like the large quantity of language translation used in this solve and how so many specific geographic names in close proximity fit together with respect to the poem. I’m not convinced enough to run out the door and search this area, but I could be wrong.

      Your description of the hidey space for the chest under part 9 is very much in my line of thinking too. I don’t think there are any hints that specifically indicate the nature of the hidey spot (other than Forrest’s reluctance to say whether or not the chest is buried), so maybe it’s just a wild jump to a seemingly logical conclusion on my part.

      One specific question: Regarding item #8: Can you remember where Forrest mentions blazes being white? I can’t recall reading that anywhere.

      Again, thanks for sharing!

      • Blex-
        I may be able to shed light on the “white” blaze mystery…
        This all lays at my feet…
        A couple years ago when Nick Lazaradus (sp) from Dateline was doing his interview with Forrest I happened to be in the room with them. Nick asked the question, something to the effect, “What is a blaze?”. Forrest responded by giving examples of what a blaze might be. He mentioned a white mark on a horses head and a few other examples. It seemed to me that he mentioned “white” several times. This stuck with me and I was rolling it around in my brain.

        When Nick and I left Forrest’s we headed over to the first Fennboree which was being held over on Desertphile’s Ranch way in the middle of bejezzez nowhere. So I had some slow dusty driving to think about what Forrest had said about blazes…

        When we finally settled in at Fennboree I was talking with Desertphile, but I suppose other’s heard us. I was still processing the “blaze” examples Forrest had mentioned through my head and it occurred to me that one of the consistencies in the examples that he mentioned was that they were all white. I wondered aloud with Desertphile if that was a clue…not purposely given…just by accident. I wondered if by his examples he was telling us that the blaze was white. It was a question…not a statement…

        When I get home it’s all over Chasechat that Dal said that Forrest said the blaze is white…YIKES!!!
        I never said that…Forrest never said that…
        I was merely wondering if that was a possibility…

        So…folks took off with that and even though it’s been over two years ago and even though I’ve tried to set the record straight a number of times the rumor persists that Forrest said the Blaze is white…he did not…

        To add to the confusion Nick didn’t use that question or answer in the edited story…

        • Thanks for the clarification, dal. I’m trying to keep an open mind about the nature of the blaze in general, since I think there are too many possibilities about what form it can take, and too many possible hints from Forrest as to what it could be. I’m just hoping to follow the directions and look for something that stands out.

          My working theory is that it would look something like this, which is what I think of as a traditional Rocky Mountain trail marker blaze:
          https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/trail-blaze-6263816.jpg

          Of course, there are also white blazes like this one:
          https://www.backpacker.com/.image/t_share/MTQ0OTE0MjA3NDE4NzU0Nzg5/at-white-blaze.jpg

          But, like I said, I’m trying to keep an open mind and will just be looking for something that stands out.

          • Not many trees of today are likely to be
            very intact a thousand — or ten
            thousand — years from now. I suggest
            you don’t look for anything tree-related
            when searching for the blaze.

  1. Thanks, Morrison, for sharing your ideas. It’s a beautiful area especially in the fall. Is the spot where you think Fenn hid the treasure chest 8.25 miles north of the NORTHERN LIMITS of Santa Fe? I think I stopped researching and hiking this area after ff came out with his Fundamental Guidelines last year when Randy went missing. I could be wrong about the distance. I like your interpretation of ff’s poem and your solves, though.

  2. I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak. Really weak. So I tried to walk along the Big Tesuque creek from the access near Tesuque. I made it to the trail head and sat down on the little bridge. I could hear somebody else coming up the creek with their dog. I decided that if it was there then they should find it. I gathered my strength and headed back down the trail.
    Going down the Borrego trail I had the same issues. But it was a pleasant walk. It’s a good place to search during the Fennboree.

    • I went looking for gold in Little Tesuque Creek. Really! I gold panned about 4 spots in Hyde Park during Fennboree. Alas, no gold or chest 🙁

      • Will, I thought of you a couple weeks ago. Molly and I were hiking, checking the snow depth along a smaller creek that empties into the Red River. There was still so much snow (and this was prior to the latest dump) that I was shocked to come upon two guys from Raton who were panning for gold in this little creek. I asked if I was allowed to take their pictures and they proudly said yes, and let me take one of the TINY speck of gold in the bottom of the one guy’s pan. I almost asked them if they’d heard of Fenn and his hidden treasure. But they were along MY creek. I suggested they go pan for gold and whatever other treasures over in Placer Creek around Hopewell Lake. I think they might run into Desertphile over there, and he can explain to them who Forrest Fenn is. 🙂

          • Hi Iron, if you really like to pan you need to drive out to Calif. central Sierra’s. My brother found 5 nuggets, each approx 1/2 ” long, 1/8th ” thick out of one rock. Lots of gold if you don’t mind working for it. Happy hunting.

    • I agree about there being a waterfall…there’s Tesuque Falls and Little Chasm Falls in this area. The parking in the tiny community of Rio de Media to reach Little Chasm Falls is horrible, though. Spots for 2 or 3 vehicles and everything else says Private property and they will tow your car. Let’s hope ff hid the chest somewhere more accessible friendly.

      • Cynthia, I would like to pass some info your way if you will email me at mcmulgl at yahoo dot com if you are interested.

    • Jake, you got that right,man!
      I just want to know when the Major is going to lift the banned! Oh course Mr.fenn has no control over Father’s nature.
      Best regards, Jake

      • But he did lift the banned Martha.
        No one has control over this ball floating in space.
        Maybe Mother Nature & Father Wise are just that.

          • Well, Thor’s part of the equation, in the book anyway. Not the one in Oregon although beautiful but dangerous.

            I will not need a hammer but a hammer may have been used at some time.

  3. I really enjoyed this solve. It’s one of the few that I actually understood. Perhaps it was the way it was laid out.

  4. Would it take an afternoons off find your spot twice. If FF hid the tc in this location does it fit with it not being a designated trail? And from the parking lot how long to walk to your spot. It’s a very creative solve and thanks for sharing.

  5. Hello Morrison,
    I really enjoyed your interpretation of the poem! Interesting indeed!
    That is some of the most beautiful country in New Mexico!
    Thanks for sharing.
    Tom

  6. Hyde Park was the lastFenneboree Meet N Greet to me it made the most sense . The first long 8 mile hike seems too far to walk. But everything else matches

    Great solve. Be safe Good Luck and enjoy the journey.

      • there are two f’s one clear and one slightly above and to the right
        also mid point on the left side of the picture is a rectangular flat shape that is probably the exact size of the box.

        Great work, did you lift the lid and check? and is this site walking distance from the parking lot? that was a clue in an interview

        Karen from Detroit

  7. According to my calculations, Cuyamungue is 8.25 miles north of the northern city limits of Santa Fe. Tesuque, Windsor Trail, Santa Fe Ski area, Hyde Park etc are all south of Cuyamungue, therefor not within the search area. This is based on the map that Desertphile so kindly provided awhile back. I’m open to revisions in my thinking!

  8. Morrison,I enjoyed your solve thanks for sharing. You put alot of thought and research into it. Great translations..
    Good luck in your search and stay safe.

  9. Morrison James Tayn-

    That’s a great graphic on the Google map. Can you tell me how to draw the lines and maybe add pointers and text? Plus, how do you get the darn thing copied onto your post?

    Speak slowly–we’re talking tech for dummies.

    • If you’re a crow, NO, but if you have to walk or drive, YES.

      FF has never been specific about the distance, how it’s measured, etc…

      It’s certainly “on the edge”! 🙂

    • If you go by latitude, the latitude of Little Chasm Falls is not 8.25 miles north of the latitude of the northern limit of Santa Fe. The reason I use latitude is due to Fenn’s answer to the Australian guy who Dal posted a link to his video several years ago. This link has been alluded to recently but I don’t know on what thread. The gist of FF’s answer what does he consider “north” of SF referred to latitude. If you have a solve there and the twisty road makes you drive 8.25 miles north of the northern limit of SF, I say go for it. good luck.

      • Union County in New Mexico. Cross L Ranch was Currumpaw, NM at one time. (Moses, NM comes close, but from what I’ve read, doesn’t quite cut elevation requirements.)

        Clayton and Capulin, a long with a few other unique places in the County likely on the list.

        Time will tell…. It always does.

        SL

        • Unfortunately, Union County, New Mexico is “out of bounds”, according to the map from TFTW.

          I was researching that area for WWWH according to the NM Game and Fish definition of “warm waters”, but soon realized it was outside of the highlighted area of the map.

  10. Morrison, FF has told us that the TC is not “in close proximaty” to a human
    trail. This is one reason that I don’t believe that your solve is correct.
    But thanks for sharing it.

    Here’s another reason: All clues have to withstand changes happening
    over a thousand years or more. Do you think that even in as few as 999
    years that the Casa Cafe will still be there, with the same name?

    Good luck in re-thinking the poem for a better solve.

    Please emphasize safety in the Rockies.

    • He actually said “…in very close proximity to any human trail” whatever that means. What is “very close proximity” and what exactly is a “human trail”? Does it include old logging roads made by trucks, bulldozers, etc… or only those hiking trails made by humans walking? This is just another statement by FF that provides no useful information.

  11. I just watched an episode of Expedition Unknown regarding the Fenn treasure and caught the bug. The host of the show is Josh Gates who has a degree in archaeology and an impressive guy who appears to have good instincts. During this episode, Gates mentions that “Fenn told me that his wife hadn’t realized when exactly he had hidden the treasure, that tells me the hiding place has to be close enough to his home that he could travel there and return without suspicion”. Those are Gates words verbatim, I recorded this episode. This episode featured three possible location, Yellowstone, Red River NM, and the Taos area which made the most sense to me. I have been reading all types of opinions online regarding the Taos area and scouring google earth. Based on a myriad of information coupled with my interpretation of the poem, I am considering a solo trip. I have an area that I feel is worth searching, I just need to retrieve my metal detectors from Southern California as I know live in Houston. I’d rather search a condensed area “lawnmower” style than a large area. Any thoughts on the Gates comment?

    • Welcome MJ-
      Long before the Expedition Unknown piece Forrest told us that his wife, Peggy had no idea when the treasure chest disappeared from Forrest’s vault. In fact Forrest has described in detail the ritual he used to mask the removal of the chest from its place in his home to its present location. There is no question that the Expedition Unknown remark you quote is accurate. However, your interpretation shows a level of naivety about Forrest, his lifestyle, his history, his associations and his free ranging habits that would be wise for you to investigate.

      You are not the first to indulge in the “close proximity” solution for all the reasons you stated. Spending time reading about, listening to and figuring out Forrest, will aid in your search. The materials on this blog are certainly a satisfactory place to begin your pursuit of knowledge. In particular, watch the videos of Forrest, read his TTOTC book and then read his other writings including his email responses and scrapbooks. Take a look at his Fundamental Guidelines and Goofy’s Cheat Sheet. Additionally you might avoid a pitfall or two by reading the stories of other searchers on this blog who have told of their searches. And don’t forget to read what Forrest has written on other blogs…in particular on Jenny Kile’s Mysterious Writings.

      • I have yet to see anybody come up with the BIG IDEA that I have about the solve ….so close but so far I feel…..begin it all with a reel…….thanks again Dal would love to exchange emails….maybe meet up …..if I ever find Indulgence I am going to give you a couple articles from the chest you have earned it with your information you have shared….

  12. Dal, my interpretation of Gates comment was simply a possible Freudian slip from Forrest, the best of us have made them and can’t be ruled out. Of course I am naive about Forrest, I have never met the man or read his books. Thanks for your feedback, I am just getting started as I mentioned in my original post.

  13. Just started reading some of Jenny Kiles site and a comment from FF stood out to me. He said, “I would advise new searchers to look for the clues in my poem and try to marry them to a place on a map”. I am a new searcher and that screams “river” to me, not a creek. Just my quick opinion.

  14. Thanks JDA, my biggest concern our rattlesnakes, I haven’t had a chance to look into whether or not they exist between 5-7K elevation, I am guessing they do.

      • Strawshadow is correct. Just saw my first Rattler of the year in New Mexico last week. None too happy at being disturbed. I have seen rattlesnakes at elevations as high as 8200′ in the Rockies. I think that with climate change you need to drop preconceived notions of flora and fauna habitat, weather patterns, etc. Expect tbe unexpected. My friends nicknamed me snakejumper for good reason, lol. But I like snakecharmer better. Bring a hiking pole…and a healthy dose of respect for the natural world.

  15. New poster MJ writes above that Josh Gates’ “episode featured three possible locations, Yellowstone, Red River NM, and the Taos area which made the most sense to me.” MJ then asked if we had “any thoughts…”
    ————————————————————————————————
    Yes, here’s my thoughts. Gates’ episode included the three most conventional locations that have been explored via media videos. These locations are so conventional they seem stale and trite to me. You said you liked the Taos area (of those three) and planned to do some searching.

    But FF also said that searchers need to use their imagination. None of these three areas require any great imagination for a search. It’s been some 6 years and the chest has not been found. All three of those general areas have been so scoured, so talked about, so scrutinized, one would think people would get the message. But apparently not. Videos, and the national media, are powerful tools that easily manipulate peoples’ thinking, I guess.

    Still, it’s possible, though not likely in my opinion, that searchers could have overlooked some tiny spot in one of those three areas, including the Taos area. So best of luck in your search.

    Ken (in Texas)

  16. Reklim, It’s my opinion that sometimes things are as obvious as they appear and we as human beings have a tendency to overthink, including myself. The comment by FF regarding new searchers and marrying the poem to the map was possibly one of FF easiest clues. We are talking about a search grid of four states, it’s not like FF said X marks the spot. In my novice early opinion, this mystery revolves around the “home of Brown”. I believe if you nail that, then you follow the rest of the clues. A river full of brown trout is way to vague, I believe the home of Brown has a longitude, latitude and altitude. Once again, just my opinion.

    • MJ,
      Thanks for the reply, your answer sounds very logical to me. I have thought for quite a while that solving home of Brown is the best way to figuring out this poem. So I agree with your approach, and yes vague is the poem theme, I’m still trying to nail home of Brown myself. Good luck to you.

  17. Thanks Ken, I am guessing that the majority of searchers are searching just off the beaten path & FF has mentioned that there isn’t a human trail in very close proximity to the prize. My strategy would be to take FF’s advise and move with confidence and do a “lawnmower” grid search in a concentrated area. I grew up fishing the San Gabriel Mountains in Southern California and if I was going to bury a treasure, I would certainly pick out one of my favorite holes, just saying.

    • Afterthought. Ken, you mentioned that the Taos area seems scoured, stale and trite to you and new imagination is required in order to locate the treasure. FF has mentioned that searchers have been within 200 feet of the treasure. It’s pretty clear that those stale locations haven’t fully been explored. Happy hunting.

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