Scrapbook One Hundred Eighty One…


APRIL 2017


Doug Hyde in Full Flourish

Doug and I happened upon the art scene at about the same time, my gallery in Santa Fe was a little behind him maybe. That was 1972, and his sculptures had a small, but budding following in Scottsdale.

Doug Hyde

Over the next few years Scottsdale was where most of the money for contemporary western art was coming from. About 20 collectors held up that market, and if there had been an art marquee in town someplace, a few names would have been at the top: Eddie Basha, Henry Topf, the wonderful widow Kieckhefer, Kay Miller (Miller Brewing Co), and more, but mostly Eddie Basha, who owned a large chain of grocery stores.

Doug and I were a good combination, and we serviced those Arizona clients with an adroitness and polish the likeness of which I never witnessed again. Doug made hundreds of stone sculptures, Scottsdale wanted them, and I did the accommodating.

My wife and I liked Doug’s work so much we kept two pieces for ourselves.

Lady Pretty Blanket

This alabaster lady is not tall, just 2’, but she’s really heavy. That’s why she has been sitting on our living room fireplace without moving for almost 30 years. I couldn’t lift even half of her. She was isolated and lonesome. But then our great-granddaughter Arden came along, and at age two, fell in love with Lady Pretty Blanket. That’s what I named the stone pueblo woman holding a pot. When the house was too quiet, we’d look over there and see Arden and “Lady” sitting side by side talking to each other, and sometimes hugging. So of course we gave the sculpture to Arden, but she can’t take possession until my wife and I are gone. Ha!

Doug Hyde

Doug Hyde is mostly Nez Perce, and he possesses bold native features and a strong code of ethics. During the many years we worked together, mostly without contracts, there were nothing but handshakes and pleasantness.

My other Doug Hyde sculpture is 27” tall. It epitomizes a dignified Nez Perce chief whose name has long been forgotten. His feather fan and drop-alongside ear rings testify as to his stature in the tribe.

He stands facing the wall in my kitchen now because the sight reminds me of the great Henry Farny painting, The Song of the Singing Wire. 

The Song of the Singing Wire by Henry Farny

To me, both figures personify the west at a threshold moment when the first faint sound of change was beginning to resonate across the soundless mountains. The western atmosphere was moving fast to make room for the “giant horse that gallops on iron rails.” There’s the same sadness in the painted Indian’s face that I notice in Doug’s sculpture.

Can you see tears of sorrow building in the eyes of those two Plains warriors? I can, and I wish my inadequate words about that sentiment were more eloquent.

Senator Al Simpson, Joe Medicine Crow and me.

Joe died at age 102 and was the last War Chief of the Crow Tribe. His great uncle, White Man Runs Him, was a scout for General Custer at the Battle of the Little Bighorn. Many years ago, Joe said to me in a wistful moment, “When I was just a little Indian kid running around, my elders told me about our history. I asked them if the government would ever give our future back to us.” f


252 thoughts on “Scrapbook One Hundred Eighty One…

    • Mr. Fenn, that picture of Cheif Joe Medicine Crow is interesting he looks like he’s in great health! 102 years, the stories you must have of him and his life, I can only imagine!

      • Dal, just curious why you are posting SB 181 again?
        Will Mr. Fenn allow you to film Fanboree for his events like a movie star?
        Also, with the deepest sympathy, I can possibly speak, ” Happy Memorial Day,” for the men and women who paid the utimite sacrifices​, for America!
        Including Mr. Fenn!

        • Dal,
          I think it is so odd that Mr. Fenn has become a film star in later life!
          What a refreshing site, and also, the way he thinks and acts is not like an elderly person! Geez, I
          Love that!

          • Does anyone know when was SB 181 originally posted? Did not catch this question by Martha on my first read.
            I believe there is a clue in the story.

          • Tarheel;

            The date at the top of the post says : April 2017. The first comment is April 17, 2017 – so, I would guess that that is the first date it was poste3d – JDA

  1. Joe said to me in a wistful moment, “When I was just a little Indian kid running around, my elders told me about our history. I asked them if the government would ever give our future back to us.” f


  2. Golly, I just said I’m sorry for screwing up my last post to HumblePi and f, and then I hit this new SB post from f.

    But I learned my lesson and will just say I look forward to reading/thinking/analyze it as soon as I can. Family in town this weekend and my 19 month old granddaughter will be getting all the attention. Sorry Forrest, but I promise next week I’ll be giving you and the Chase my undidved attention.


    • At pow wows Joe would put on his eagle feather bonnet and chant songs in his native Crow language. Otherwise he was mostly quiet and reserved. Few men have garnered the respect that he enjoyed. f

      • Yes sir. I understand and hope others also learn by my recent posting mistakes. Don’t say a thing unless you have something meaningful to contribute to the discussion. Very regrettable.

        Respectfully……… Pinatubocharlie

      • “Few men have garnered the respect that he enjoyed”.
        That sentence says a lot. I hope you live to be 102 Forrest. 🙂

  3. I don’t know if this is significant, but the title of the painting is “The song of the talking wire” (not “singing”). You can apparently purchase it in shower curtain or throw pillow format here:

    Does that make things better or sadder? I can’t tell. You’re either making fine art more available and enjoyable for appreciation by the masses, or cheapening it by not keeping it exclusively mounted in one location. Personally, I think that this particular painting is ugly. The Sioux hunter’s facial expression looks more like a Dick Tracy comic caricature than emotional, and that cow skull randomly lying in the background off to the left looks just off & weird. I don’t know if this piece is a fitting tribute to an entire race trampled by encroaching industry.

    Anyways, I got fixated on the Farny painting. To get more positive, the Hyde sculptures are both very beautiful. You can tell that the composition of the figures originated in the shape of the rough stone that Hyde started off with and he worked out from there. Also, the facial expressions have a more natural human quality to them even though they are stylized into a simple form. You can clearly see snapshots of human expression captured in the stone. I like these sculptures very much.

    • I like the picture, but you are right. That cow skull does not look right. It looks fake. If it there was really a cow skull there it would be under the snow, or at least partially covered in snow, not laying right there on top of it by itself.

        • Actually Forrest it’s probably a Bison skull, we in the West call the Bison a Buffalo but technically Buffalo are native to Africa and Asia and what we call Buffalo are really Bison…

          • There are all kinds of bisons Mark. If you want to get technical it’s a bison bison skull.

          • If you want to get really technical, judging by comparative horse size and perspective…one might suggest it must be a. Bison Latifrons skull. Though I have no idea how it would have gotten there.
            Just sayin’….

          • To get really, really, really, really technical, it’s just photons from a screen entering your eyeballs, representing a digital image of a painting, representing an imagined Bison.

            Ceci n’est pas une pipe.

            Technically 🙂

          • “I quickly discovered that if I said something to them that I knew was wrong, they would correct me, on and on, and tell me things I wanted to know.”

            LOL!! Forrest, doncha just love giant-minded searchers???? 🙂

            hope your havin’ a good one today….loco

          • locolobo, that’s funny! He did get searchers coming out of the woodworks to correct him! 🙂

          • @pdenver….i, too, was astonished and amazed at the phenomenon that it could be there! Alas though its horn to horn dimensions are clearly wider than possible with the bison bison…and most of the steppe bison as well. Lmao. Maybe the ice in the picture had just melted and was secretly a hint to your effort being worth the cold!! Lmao.

          • mamakat, each time my family would go to Yellowstone, my youngest daughter would say she wanted to see the Tatankas. She’s 18 now and still says it.

          • Well, that’s definitely a doe laid over a painted pony on the Bonneville Salt Flats, and I know that because there are 10 poles marking a furlong section of the raceway…

          • @pdenver…judging by the width of a normal telephone pole if you look at the same level in the horizon 6 or so would fit horn to horn. Im obviously kidding about it…just going on “technicalities” the width of the horns would eliminate the bison bison and cause one to believe this must be the latifrons recently resurfaces from the ice age.

          • …obviously the telephone poles being a hint to Ski Taos. Don’t tell F I told you though….

          • Seeker, I don’t think the horse is an Appaloosa. I zoomed in on the painting and I couldn’t see any spots on it. If you look at the Native American, you can see his footprints, which makes me believe it’s snow.

          • PD,
            I was just having some fun… The animal on the horse is either a whitetail spike horn or more likely a Pronghorn antelope. Those are telegraph poles and not found on the Bonneville speedway, and the horse is a horse of course.

          • I think that this link gives us a definitive answer as to whether it is a cow skull or a bison skull:

            As you can see, it’s simply a matter of determining if the nasal and premaxilla bones are joined together (or only separated by a very slim gap) or well-separated.

            After careful scrutiny of the image of Farny’s painting, achieved primarily by pressing my eyeballs directly against the surface of my computer screen, I have determined that the nasal and premaxilla bones are in fact joined together, therefore firmly establishing the skull in this painting as in fact being that of a moo-cow.

            HOWEVER, deeper research reveals that there was an infamous forger of Farny’s works in the 1920’s who went by the notorious pseudonym of “Farby”. Farby enjoyed a successful career of selling Farny forgeries on the black market during the time of prohibition. Farby would occasionally encounter genuine Farny paintings in his day-to-day business, and realized that his forgeries were such precise reproductions of the originals, that even he could not tell the difference between his own work and that of Farny. To remedy this, he adopted a unique flourish that only Farby could recognize at a glance: Whenever Farny painted a bison skull (As all art historians know, every Farny painting contained at least one bison skull somewhere in the composition; even still life paintings of bowls of fruit), Farby would add a single extra brushstroke, joining the nasal and premaxilla bones together. No one had noticed this slight difference between originals and forgeries, and truth be told, no one WOULD have noticed this subtle difference, had not Farby confessed his artistic secret on his deathbed after having been bit by a poisonous and angry weevil.

            In conclusion, although the image of Farny’s painting included in the scrapbook entry above clearly shows the skull of a moo-cow, it is actually in fact not the original Farny painting, but an image of a clever Farby forgery. Although a Farby forgery image was posted mistakenly for this scrapbook, Forrest is entirely correct that the skull in the original Farny painting does NOT have a connected nasal and premaxilla bone, and that the skull is that of a bison, and NOT a moo-cow.

            *Blex dramatically blows bubbles out of his plastic bubble-pipe for effect*

          • Well, I DID kind of make up that whole story about the forger named Farby, but the rest of the content is true more or less… I think….

          • Yep Mark no dought about it! It’s a Buffalo, Buffalo, Buffalo skull, skull,

        • That makes it even more meaningful considering the buffalo were a huge part of their way of life and they were being killed off just like they were and leaving them with hardly any food or skins to use for other things. Sad.

        • Actually to get real technical I think it’s a Bison bison skull, these days I pay more attention to those upper case B’s than I used to lol…

          • If it’s a Plains Bison skull the scientific name is: Bison bison bison.
            Have we beat this dead Bison enough yet?

          • Lol randawg “Oh give me a home where the Bison bison roam.”, it does seem to take away from the poetic magic of that song. And I will confess whenever I order the Bison bison wings or the Bison bison burger and explain to the waitress that “technically” this is what they should be called it never ends well…

        • What’s really magical about this painting is the dead kangaroo strapped on the horse’s back.

          Where is this place, that Native Americans hunt kangaroos?

          • Mindy, are you sure it’s a kangaroo and not a doe? I do see the shorter legs that might make one think it’s a kangaroo.

          • Oh wait…it’s a deer. I see it now.

            But really, why is this Indian wearing girl’s clothes?

            Seriously, he’s wearing a woman’s buffalo robe.

          • I don’t know much about the robes of tribes. Could it represent the markings of one or a story, rather than being a gender clothing? If there are such, perhaps it carried the robe of his wife to have her be with him during the hunt for how long it would take to find food. I really don’t know. I’m just using a little imagination with the thought you’ve presented.

          • You have all ruined this song!

            ‘Oh give me a home where the Bison bison roam.
            where the and deer and the kangaroos play,
            Where Indian Chief’s there wear squaw’s outerwear,
            and the skies are a bit cloudy today.’

        • I love that picture of ” The Song of The Singing Wire”, Mr.Fenn, and I really appreciate the Buffalo skull!
          I would hang that picture anytime, anywhere I possibly could, what beautiful art work nothing comical about that painting of ” The Song Of The Singing Wire”
          Thank you Mr. Fenn, I enjoyed every word! Dal, thank you also!
          With singing sincerity, Martha

        • Forrest, maybe it makes more sense for that animal to remain unnamed ?

          However forgotten in name, your ancestors are your body and mind. Every thought and every tear is the foundation of your home. To remember them is to look in the mirror. As no man is an island, they live on through us marching into the future.


    • Maybe the “aberration” was a result of a simple confusion that resulted when writing about sound. 🙂

      The widow Kieckhefer (Thelma) owned a lot of paintings by Maxfield Parrish. One was called “Parizade Bringing Home the Singing Tree.”

      And when Dough Hyde chose the stone he would later lovingly carve into something they were born to be, he would tap a hammer against the stone, listening for a “high-pitched, metallic, bell-like sound.” That particular sound told him the stone was pure and free of flaws.

      What a great melding of sounds in this SB. And after all, a telegraph pole is a “singing tree.” 🙂

    • upon detailed observation of said painting for at least five seconds, and being highly professional in professionalism, i can confidently conclude that the skull in question is actually a horses skull

      ..oh wait?! ..are those ..horns??

      (well, ok then.. but i’m pretty sure those telegraph poles are made of wood though!!)

  4. Forest, you have spent many years surrounded with beauty.
    That has to have given you much pleasure! 🙂

  5. In this country you have to demand your rights. Women, blacks, Indians and anyone of difference. While quietness gains respect, noise drives change. We won’t see the shift you desire Forrest until someone jumps up on the desk and shouts “listen.” Passivity limits progression

    Beautiful post. Thank you.

  6. mr. forrest ,what happened to dougs vest,it didn’t get finished,the trim and cross stitch are missing on one side. the sculptures are beautiful.the pretty lady reminds me of a child,and the chief has such a longing look to his face,he has had much to think about,sorrow,tears.the life they knew ,was taken away,and never gave back .joe medicine crow was a brave veteran. the alabaster chief, you should name him Tom,he’s like doug.we all need to play like a child,the world would be a better place.

  7. To answer Joe’s question; No, the government will never give you back your future. The Indian was listening to the telegraph wires, today we are listening to our cell phones. The sound of our destruction.

    The seeds of Native American destruction was the wars amongst themselves. The fierceness and savagery of Indian warriors is second to none. No wonder the Army has attack helicopters named Comanche, Kiowa, Black Hawk, Cheyenne, and Apache Long Bow. They are fast, stealthy, mobile, and very deadly.

    Joe’s elders were pushed to the west by the Cheyenne. Both the Crow and the Cheyenne were pushed farther west by the Lakota (Sioux), who took over the territory west of the Missouri River, reaching past the Black Hills of South Dakota to the Big Horn Mountains of Wyoming and Montana. The Cheyenne eventually became allies of the Lakota, as they sought to expel European Americans from the area. The Crow remained bitter enemies of both the Sioux and Cheyenne. The Crow were generally friendly with the Europeans and managed to retain a large reservation despite territorial losses.

    The only difference between now and then is now there is no place left for freedom to escape to. Big government owns the world.

    • good post Goofy, i agree with a lot of that

      seems we humans haven’t changed much (fundamentally) from our history of violence, no matter how far back we delve,
      and the iron hoof of modern govt’s don’t seem overly keen to lead us all to Shambhala either, apparently (& unfortunately)

      but you’re wrong about ‘no place left’ mate

      (Bernard Moitessier is #2 on my ‘top five heroes’ list)

  8. That’s funny f , isn’t that Joe a Navajo code talker , from WWII , and the last one when that picture was taken ? He won a Medal of honor did he not , from Barrack Obama? Please correct me if I am wrong f , nothing is worse then facts not said straight, So what do you mean Crow??

    Well thanks of rate learn f – but Im still looking at yesterdays stuff =)

    And that painted Rooster …. All in a word,,=)

  9. I prefer quiet and reserved it’s is easier on the ears and the eyes. Proverbs 18:2 sums it up.

  10. Several hints … one in particular I believe is unique to the site … in my opinion of course. Thanks ff for interesting and educational stories.


  11. The four men shown here are, in my mind, all excellent representatives of the BEST of human character. True heroes. Integrity, creative expression and critical examination, humility…..Some quotes from Senator Simpson:

    “If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don’t have integrity, nothing else matters.”

    “An educated man is thoroughly inoculated against humbug, thinks for himself and tries to give his thoughts, in speech or on paper, some style.”

    “He’s a million rubber bands in his resilience.”

    As we loose our real-life heroes who do we have left? Zuckerburg? Trum’*&$$$??? We must become heroes in our OWN lives and remember and then NEVER FORGET AGAIN.

    Ahhh..the magpies are back 🙂

    • Being respectful is taught.
      Respect is an honor and regard.
      Given respect is earned.
      Heroes earn respect by persistence and resolute.

  12. I wonder if we will live to see the answer to Joe Medicine Crow’s childhood question? If we do get our future back, it probably won’t make the nightly news but that’s alright with me.

  13. Thanks for this scrapbook Forrest. It speaks to me.

    For a historical look at what occurred during the settling of “The West” watch the excellent Ken Burns series by that name available on both Netflix and Amazon Prime.

    “This series chronicles the saga of the American West, tracing the lives of a diverse cast of characters, from explorers, soldiers and Indian warriors to settlers, railroad builders and gaudy showmen, who share their stories in their own words, through diaries, letters and autobiographical accounts.”

  14. Beautiful story Forrest, and very meaningful. I grew up in New Orleans in the 60s with prejudice all around. Even as a kid growing up I have always believed how wrong prejudice is, and I have always felt how wrong it is what was done to the Native Americans. Native being the key word here. They were here first and the white man just came and took over and expected them to be ok with it and when they were not ok with it and they tried to defend their home, the white man acted like they were doing something wrong and just did it more. So sad and wrong. This is one thing that makes me embarrassed to be a white person. 🙁 We all are one family. Human.

    • Humans were fighting over habitats and resources a long time (thousands of years) before the first Europeans arrived on this continent. We just had more advanced weapons and brought diseases native peoples had never been exposed to. Primates have been fighting and killing each other for millions of years it is by no means a recent development.

  15. The western atmosphere was moving fast to make room for the “giant horse that gallops on iron rails.” There’s the same sadness in the painted Indian’s face that I notice in Doug’s sculpture. f

    They are not dead who live in the hearts they leave behind. – Tuscarora

    Lagrima de oro, or is it WWWH. When a man moves away from nature his heart becomes hard. – Lakota

    Forrest it is truly amazing how the sacrifice of your treasure has warmed so many hearts and opened so many minds.


    • “Forrest it is truly amazing how the sacrifice of your treasure has warmed so many hearts and opened so many minds.”

      I totally agree Tommy! Well said.

        • 🙂 My name is Kathy and I am a mom. Although my two sons are young men now, I have used mamakat for a long time since they were little. Usually with a dd on the end., as in mamakatdd – dd for the first letter of their names. Since they are grown now, maybe it is time to think up something new. Hmmm……

          • mamakat, a sincere reply, thank you and an education of insight, there are many of us who use a different name than the one s we started with, so who do we blame?

            ff is to witen, his wisdom sometimes seem Shakespearean but alas his writings and poem (s) conjure images and metaphors from the past and show how they relate to the present/future and eternity.

            ttttttttttt is still on track and I am still Terrific, as in Enthusiastic to learn about the treasure, of Forrest Fenn, knowing all along he is the real treasure.

            Now what is that new name and AVATAR?

          • Thanks Copper and still thinking on the new name Tommy! May take a while so still using this for for now.

  16. Does this make anyone worry a little bit about finding the treasure? Maybe this story is making us reflect on the impact finding such riches would have on our present path in life…. just a thought. There is so much effort on finding it, maybe the thought should be on what to do with it. Perhaps it is meant to stay in the ownership of the natives that occupy that land where indulgence lies? If you take it and try not to tell anyone, maybe the government will come looking for ya… and you’ll be left wondering if you’ll ever get your freedom/future back… Made me pause anyways.

      • It depends on what you Want to do with the find. The American Indian didn’t ignore Nature, they lived with Nature and they USED what they found – to clothe or feed the members of the tribe, to create art, to commune with the Great Spirit or the Kachinas, to teach the little children .. finding Bronze Beauty is not inherently evil — but what damage you do in the process – how people die from the coal or uranium dust you stir up or the water you poison – what you do with it after and what you do to restore the land for the plants and animals is the true question .. How can the wealth and beauty of your treasure be used to make life better? What can be done with it besides hiding it in a safe and locking it away ? ..


    • The only way I’d say anything about finding the treasure would be at Forrest’s direct request. Otherwise, mums the word.

    • Mr. Fenn, that picture of Cheif Joe Medicine Crow is interesting he looks like he’s in great health! 102 years, the stories you must have of him and his life, I can only imagine!

    • Amy, you are such a scream! I just had a great laugh at your comment, you are so adorable!
      When Indians would go to war they simply went nude too show there fearless nature, and of course war paint..
      I am also glad she is most modesty covered, depending on the Indian tribe, some were very virtious.
      Different from the young ladies today that leave nothing too the imagination if you know what I mean!!! Amy, have a wonderful day, your friend, Martha

  17. When I look at Doug Hyde’s sculptures, I want to touch the hands that created such beauty and think about the gift he was given.

    Sounds creepy I know….not meant to be….just my thoughts as I wondered how one man could create such beauty. I asked myself what he felt when he touched the stone and I thought about his hands.

  18. Another beautiful SB Forrest. Being a stone sculptor myself, I appreciate the amount of work that went into these two lovely pieces. I can feature them placed near each other – The Alabaster Lady on the left, and the “Warrior” on the right, each, in their own way, guarding that which is behind them—their shared history and memories. These histories and memories, stacked one upon the other, almost creating a “wall” of memories, that would not be easy to tear down. To others, these memories probably would go unnoticed, but they ring out a story of days gone by – and hopefully, not forgotten. JDA

    • Interesting! There’s another work involving a bronze hen and rooster on the link you posted, Jeremy! Could it be another hint? Maybe! But probably not. Or is it? It is! Or not! But then again….

  19. An interesting sidenote as a collector/trader of Fenn ephemera: of all of F’s gallery exhibition catalogs…from the USSR show to the huge names of Gaspard, Sloan, Fechin, Bierstadt, Blakelock, Reiss, Koerner, etc…the rarest one of all? the 78 Doug Hyde: Nez Perce Sculptor.

  20. I agree with Jake, it does change the nature of this treasure after learning so much about our history. In Alaska, we have many many native Americans stuck in between their rich culture and the “new world.” We had a linguist come to class last semester, his whole life’s purpose is to save native languages. My brother in law is an Athabaskan, he doesn’t know any Athabaskan words. His Grandma was fluent and it didn’t carry through. These cultures are becoming extinct. Perhaps we can’t give back the same future, bound in traditional culture, but there is plenty we can do to regain some of it. If I find this treasure, I’m going to change my entire life’s path.

    Great SB, you’re a good man Dal for giving me something good to read first thing Saturday morning.

  21. Thank you for the story Forrest and Dal. The Indian culture has always fascinated me. I can only imagine the feelings having one’s way of life taken away.

  22. And best of luck to you Iceman… it sounds like you’re quit confident so not sure you need the luck. When are you going to search and recover? If you don’t mind my asking… Also, how have others done that have searched so far? I never hear the results from anyone, just the pre-victory dance. 🙁

    • Hi Jake,

      I can’t speak for iceman but I have searched 8 times sometimes solo and sometimes with my whole family. This year will I will go on my 9th trip. I don’t believe anyone in my family believes I know what I’m doing anymore after the prior 8 trips where I was absolutely sure I could find it. At the moment my next trip is planned for late June but you never know I may find a way to pull it off earlier. Blessings to all in the chase! Stay safe!

  23. A little bit o’history:
    The Crow used a matriarchal system of kinship. White Man Runs Him was Joe’s maternal step great- grandfather, not uncle.
    But that’s neither here nor there. Or is it?

    • Mindy, you’re not skewing enough. You should probably put an “IMO” somewhere in your comment. That’s super-misleading. IMO.
      Wikipedia is just that.
      I’m sorry, I’m not trying to come across being rude:)
      There’s just a crazy-system of kinship involved in some cultures.

      • Tammy,
        Before I posted that information, I checked two different sources for information, and one was a Cree website. So that doesn’t count as an opinion, I don’t think?

      • Actually, I might have to correct my info…a third source, True West Magazine, says:

        “One of those men was his grandmother’s stepbrother (stay with us here), who by Crow tradition is also considered his grandfather.”

        So, maybe both uncle and grandfather are correct. I would think “grandfather” to be more correct, in respect to their culture. IMO

          • William. Yes, I did also. When things are hidden in plain sight; hidden is the illusion. IMHO. A word no longer used is still a usable word.

          • Dragonflies, yes.
            The name of this scrapbook after all ?
            ‘Doug Hyde in Full Flourish’

            Hide in full sight

          • Quakrspecl. Nice! Yes! Native American Shamans understood the 3rd eye as is common from the India indigenous .Some Native Americans called it The 3rd Language or portal to the unseen. In the brain the 3rd eye portal is the Pineal Gland-shaped like a pine cone-top view looks like a flower,the Flower Of Life. With an active Pineal gland or 3rd Eye/language, one can see through the illusion. IMHO. I knew some traditional Native Shamans and I remember some things they said to me. IMO

          • Alsetenash — it’s called Dimethyltryptamine and along with a few other substances, are known as an entheogens. The pineal gland releases this chemical upon death and it may be responsible for the visions that recall the life, the truth and guide toward the final peace.

            The Mesoamericans have known about it for thousands of years. They found the key, a rare plant that acts as an MOI-inhibitor and allows n,n-DMT to be ingested.

          • Passenger. Thanks for the info and response. Yes on all accounts you said. The pineal gland is a powerful gland to access wisdom that is not commonly known nor understood. IMO it is the physical key to access higher wisdom and consciousness . In the main, it is deactivated due to it being calcified-fluoride is one of many that calcifies this gland to my understanding. No external drugs are needed for said experiences if it is clear of such toxins and functioning . This is off topic here but much of this was understood by Native Americans . IMO

        • Great Uncle. Not Uncle. There’s a hierarchy in that culture that WE might not possibly understand. Ever.
          Of course, you’re right.

  24. Thank you, Forrest and Dal.
    I appreciate all the SB stories plus the beautiful art posted today.

    “Earth Day Today.”

    We are all stewards in taking care of Mother Earth.

    “The earth is the mother of all people, and all people should have equal rights upon it.”
    -Chief Joseph 1879
    (Wallowa) band of Nez Perce.

    • “The earth is the mother of all people, and all people should have equal rights upon it.”
      -Chief Joseph 1879
      (Wallowa) band of Nez Perce

      Love this! It’s beautiful, and so true. Just think how it would be if the word should is removed.

    • Cheif Joseph was my Gt Gt Gt grandfather. He never knew his unborn son, nor his grand daughter that was loved by Buffalo Bill Cody, who was my Gt grandmother. I do know that while those who humblly seek peace and equality in this world will be rewarded someday! Until then I remain an eagle bound to earth and can not fly. Someday I will soar with my ancestors!

      • For real he was your grandfather way back that is so awesome nice to meet u and why don’t u have a Indian name I was thinking u were from the south Sheryl lynn

  25. A couple of references from Wikipedia about the Crow and Nez Perce in the Yellowstone valley:

    The Crow, called the Apsáalooke in their own Siouan language, or variants including Absaroka, are Native Americans, who in historical times lived in the Yellowstone River valley, which extends from present-day Wyoming, through Montana.

    The Nez Perce in Yellowstone Park was the flight of the Nez Perce Indians through Yellowstone National Park between August 20 and Sept 7, during the Nez Perce War in 1877. As the U.S. army pursued the Nez Perce through the park, a number of hostile and sometimes deadly encounters between park visitors and the Indians occurred. Eventually, the army’s pursuit forced the Nez Perce off the Yellowstone plateau and into forces arrayed to capture or destroy them when they emerged from the mountains of Yellowstone onto the valley of the Yellowstone River.

    Today there is the Nez Perce creek to the northeast of the Firehole River in Yellowstone National Park.

  26. Whenever I’m on Indian land that was claimed by progress I can hear the mountains, trees, and animals cry out for their native people and sadly there is no answer. The sound is deafening.

  27. I rarely have posted anything here on Dal’s blog but I feel the need to express something that bubbles up inside me now and again. In my many search trips throughout Wyoming, Montana, Colorado and New Mexico I experienced a very unusual reaction when I went to the Buffalo Bill Center of the West with my wife last year.
    During all of my past searches while visiting some very remote areas I have begun to develop a very intense appreciation and personal connection to the ancient peoples that lived and thrived in these remote areas that are still seldom visited by modern men. To walk where these people walked and discover the signs they left behind such as medicine wheels and Tee Pee rings and stone cairns etc. and standing where they stood and reflecting inside in the wonder of what their lives were like and the realization that they too had families, lives and dreams has totally changed me.
    While visiting the Buffalo Bill Center I had a very intense experience of deep sadness. In looking at the exhibits of the many artifacts of these ancient people I was so struck at how sad it was that these living and breathing cultures were now gone and here I was looking at the remnants of their lives in a museum. All of these things represented a once living and breathing culture with people much like ourselves that are now just artifacts for people to look at. My wife began to look at me and she asked me what was wrong and I simply could not talk as I was so choked up with emotion that I could hardly speak. I never expected to have such an experience. It was almost like hearing these peoples voices from the grave and my acknowledgment that I would never forget them. I can’t think of any better way to describe it.

    If you have never been to this museum please make the time to go there. It is so very worth seeing and experiencing these things.


    • Dan,
      I’m with ya! Chief Joseph’s speech should be read by all. As I drove through S.D. and Montana I kept looking up at the mountains and thinking to myself…wow, so much history here! I would wonder if there were Indian scouts on any of those ledges, peaks, and bluffs! Chief Joseph talked kindly of Lewis & Clark and spoke truth and wisdom! Great story Mr. Fenn!

  28. I do like the beautiful artwork, and enjoyed the story you told about your Great-granddaughter. It’s a bit sad to hear the words of Joe Medicine Crow. I believe his words echoes from others who continue to ask the same.

    • Gosh, after looking at the painting a little closer, I realize it actually makes me feel a bit sad. The poles representing the encroachment of the white man on their land.

        • From the Auction /Exhibition Catalog:

          ” Farny’s most well known painting “The Song of the Talking Wire”. The painting done in 1904, was conceived when Farny visited Fort Yates in the Dakota Territory. He is said to have observed an Indian named “Long Day” listen to the telegraph pole so he could hear the spirits talking. Farny foresaw the end of Indian culture as seen in the cold fading light, the bison skull and the horse looking off to the distance.”

          • Thank you for your help, Jonsey1. I greatly appreciate it. I thought perhaps Lakota, but I honestly didn’t know.

          • The ironic thing is places like Wikipedia will tell you farney made mistakes in the painting that weren’t authentic. Like the womans robe and position of the elk and the demise of the Indian culture…but many might argue that the viewer that sees this is entirely incorrect sitting that “Long Day” was actually listening to the spirits in the wood to prove his ability as a medicine man.


  29. Lately Forrest has been re naming paintings, like “Graciella” which was Florencia when named by Henri? Why?

    Now here a different Henry and he changes from ” The Song of the TALKING Wire” to this; “The Song of the SINGING Wire” by Henry Farny? The poem below uses singing in a most unusual (profound) way? This reminds me of chapter 45 of “Too Far” where ff mis-stated that Hamilton was on the $100 bill, not Old Ben? Something about Ben and Henry is starting to ring a bell, light a bulb so just how plain does he have to get? Or did he do this to see if we are paying attention? check out:–by-Euan-Malone

    Tom Terrific, AKA Mr Enthusiastic..Could it be the key?

    • Tommy—
      Interesting. Note that in the last question on Jenny’s Site FF says he reread his memoir and felt as though he were TALKING the last part to his parents.It is strange wording. So this painting and that statement could be linked somehow.

      • Sparrow,
        Why is it strange wording?

        I mean, fenn wrote the epilogue. Wouldn’t that “reading” of it be just like “talking” to his parents…

        ~If you were still here, after all this time has past, this is what I would tell you.

        • “Talking the last part”=”saying goodbye” to his parents?
          In reverse thesaurus edited fennspeak possibly.

        • Seeker—-

          Strange wording in that he says “I felt like I was talking it to my parents”. “Talking it” is a strange way to word something IMO.

          The fact that the painting has the word “talking” in place of the word “singing” brought this to mind.

          • Talking there are usually pauses. singing is usually continual…I bet those wires were continually humming!

    • When I Google ‘The Song Of The Singing Wire’, it returns “Way Down in the Hole”

      Does Google have an opinion on this SB?

      • “Way Down in the Hole” was the theme song on HBO’s The Wire, so… singing… wire… Google isn’t as smart as it lets on to be.

        Good song, and good show.

  30. The carriages find speed from her drive,
    And colossal cries of anger ring,
    The Iron Horse has come alive,
    And the mighty train begins to sing.

    excerpt credit; Euan Malone


  31. I would gladly trade any treasure for a magical power to be re-born 10,000 years ago. Imagine the wonder of life on an Earth with only mysteries on the horizon. What would you make of it all with only word of mouth and personal experience to explain it?
    A life lived then would truly be adventure.
    Just to see miles of untouched forest…

    Sort of odd what we choose to call progress.

    This culture we known will be replaced as well, that’s what happens. In fact it is already happening.

  32. Interesting the coinciding with Easter / Solstice:

    1. The robe is a girls puberty robe. A cover symbolizing rebirth.
    2. The recycled ammo cover into a vase symbolizing rebirth.
    3. The butterfly maiden a kachina covered in dress to symbolize rebirth.
    4. The apricot tree upon his friends death symbolizing rebirth (isn’t that him in this scrapbook?)

    Maybe Fs been binge listening on some last album TuPac!

  33. Oh, small world! I just realized The Song of the Talking Wire is owned by the Taft Museum in Cincinnati. That’s sorta my neighborhood, so I can go see it in person. For those who don’t frequent art museums, it’s not not as boring as movies make it out to be. Being inches away from paint that was put on canvas over a century ago can be rewarding.

  34. Blex—
    Really enjoyed your hilarious post far above. Can I borrow your plastic bubble pipe? 🙂

          • I guess so Mark.
            Just seems a bit out of place for me.
            Never was any good at gramma or english.

          • I always write Plains. Plains. Great Plains. It means the same thing. If I’m talking about the Staked Plains I say Llano Estacado or the Pan Handle. Just like I always write Nature, the Desert, the Mountains .. If I want to write about a specific Desert I’ll say Sonoran or Chihuahuan Desert, but I still capitalize when writing a general reference. I don’t follow proper English. I capitalize a lot of things that a lot of Editors would reject ..


    • Emphasize?

      Instead of
      * ‘Doug Hyde in Full Flourish’:
      – (something?) Hide in Full Flourish
      – (something?) Hide in Plain (?)
      – (something?) Hide in Plain Sight

      • seems to stand out…the art/history is significant, but…this is a search for the whereabouts of a bronze box.

    • You too now Jake?
      If you think it’s a reference to Plains MT just say so. Plains and Browns meadow are to low as is the entirety of the Clark Fork.

      Wingnutz has been up there this weekend and suffice to say we didn’t find the treasure. He said no one is ever going to find it.


      • That’s not the best attitude for your partner to have; especially right before you both start your epic search trip this weekend!

        • Blex –

          He ran the solve yesterday. That’s what I am saying.

          His search in Montana reinforced my belief that the treasure is in New Mexico. Basically there is nowhere to search at altitude in Montana because of the weather.

          My main solve in Montana didn’t work because the target area is too low. I will do a write up on the Browns Meadow search and my main search altitiude mistake


          • I understand, and will look forward to read your Browns Meadow solve when it’s written up. But didn’t you also say that you and Wingnutz had several different solve areas in each of the 4 states? Are you done in MT altogether now, or have more places to search up there once the weather calms down? Did the results of Wingnutz’s BOTG search this past weekend cause you to zero in on New Mexico now? (Just being genuinely curious, so no need to respond if I’m prying in your solves too much.)

  35. This is my faverite scrapbook What a honer to meet joe Medicean crow better than any movie star

  36. Forrest speaks with eloquence, because he feels the wordless emotions.

      • That’s a Q I can’t answer pdenver.
        I see a great injustice done with the natives.
        What can I say? I am here where they were in control.
        I am not happy with what has happened but that’s life.

        I’m not to thrilled where this is all going & where it came from, but I won’t be around to see the fall of our forked tong governments.

        • Paraphrasing, “People should just leave each other alone.” If we each said this, would we live by it? It’s too bad we don’t.

          • After rereading, I should have included, this is an opinion, offered as a thought.

          • That’s a big can of worms there pdenver.
            I won’t get into it too much here seeing it’s not the right platform.

            I will say this though.

            Wherever your born into it’s culture, you should be respectful of others.

          • pdenver,
            “People should just leave each other alone.” If we each said this, would we live by it? It’s too bad we don’t.

            I agree…however…
            can you imagine what this site would be like without Goofy in charge with that nuke button he has… :mrgreen:

          • Gosh, Jake, I hope it wasn’t considered a can of worms. I guess what I’m trying to say is that it would be nice if everyone had done so. A world of peace is a nice thought to me.

          • pdenver

            If I listen to this foolish style of logic I wont know all my friends. I wouldn’t know who Fenn was. I would not have met all I have in the Chase.

            Leave other people alone like the kid he didn’t like that called him old as dirt. Or the cash girl who rudely picked up her cup. Listen to what the words say .
            “So I only need to please my sellf , and its not who you are only who they think you are. Really!!!!!! That my friend if I Imagined my self as that would make me a very selfish person in my opinion . Disrespecting others comes in many forms. I saw the disrespect that Fenn has spoke of for my self . If it would not bother you that some one in a store was rude to your gramps , tell me here that you would not say anything to them .

            Just my opinion and you know how that goes , Opinions are like…… and everyone has one.


            But hey who am I to say

        • Jake ~”…seeing it’s not the right platform.”

          Maybe this is the “right platform.” Unless of course the only reason for SB’s are not about the subject matter and only about handing out yet, more and more clues…

          SB { in part } ~Joe said to me in a wistful moment, “When I was just a little Indian kid running around, my elders told me about our history. I asked them if the government would ever give our future back to us.” f

          And as Pd quoted from fenn in yet another SB: “People should just leave each other alone.” { you can go look it up to see the subject matter for that SB.}

          Maybe there are subtle suggestions to this and other comments fenn has made over the years…

          One about his share of the land and secreting a Dr. pepper on it.
          Another, Folks shouldn’t take anything of Indian lands…

          If we’re truly opened minded about suggestions, hints, clues, or anything else in these SB’s collections { and all other of fenn’s comments } I think this is just the platform for discussion, that maybe will help with solving the poem.

          I find it interesting that there are topics that discuss legality of ownership, and many argue that the chest couldn’t be in YSP { or any other public lands, Guardians by our government } because of the legal aspects involved… then again… it is “the peoples land”

          But, then again, maybe the only reason for this SB is to know if it’s a dang cow skull { by the way folks, a “cow” is the female of the species} or a bison or buffalo.

          • OK Seeker, maybe you’re right about this platform.

            Most of us here are from descendants from other countries & continents.

            The natives that were here 1st should own & control the land as their own.
            But, they were here 1st by being born here & that’s something we cannot control.

            Nevertheless this was the land we took control of, & killed just about anything that walked, ran, crawled or was not with the establishment.

            I do agree with pdenver & F, we should leave them alone, but if they call for help, maybe we should intervene in a way that would be more diplomatic & not so violent.

            The can of worms was opened when the apple was bit.
            No turning back now.

          • Jake ~”The natives that were here 1st…”
            “But, they were here 1st by being born here…”

            1st before the Europeans movement into the new world, Yes.

            Yet, seeing you want to go back to the beginning… you might want to check the DNA results from discovered ancient remains… that have no conclusive evidence, connection of / to Native American People… But yet, by old passed law and agreement, those ancient remains must be handed over to tribal areas for their own cultural ceremonies.

            This doesn’t allow any or very little study of the remains… if we truly want to know the when where why and how’s… that process of study is being removed by nothing more than cultural and religious beliefs… with no real evidence to support it.

            What would happen if the remains of an ancient was to be found that dates back to 20,000 plus years and proven descended from Asia or Africa???

            If you want to argue about longevity of habitation, that is another horse of a different color.
            But 1st hasn’t been proven yet.

          • National Geographic for the past several years has been conducting a human genome study (Genopraphic Project) to establish where human life began and establish migration patterns around the globe.

            Then last October PBS aired a NOVA episode titled the Great Human Odyssey. Please refer to the link below if you’d like to watch this very interesting and enlightening 2 hour show.

            So it would appear evidence is growing that the roots for human life on earth originate in Africa.



          • pinatubocharlie- read “Slave Species of God” by Michael Tellinger
            the human race was devloped to mine gold in south africa

  37. A stripped skull, bare to the elements, a curios mind, trying to grasp a meaning that will later annihilate him, a horse longing for home and waiting to shed possibly his last burden in exchange for weevil flour. It will take the future to tell us that we have no future, it died when we killed the past. Only special souls look for the answers in the bones that remain, but the answer won’t save us. We are already dead.

      • Maybe that didn’t come out right… what I mean to say is that a lot of people are pretty gloomy about the future. Call me optimistic, but we are not “already dead”, and if there’s one takeaway we should receive from The Thrill of the Chase, it’s that people can do some extraordinary things. IMHO, if you don’t like the way things are going, enjoy your life (everyone staring at this screen has one) and be the change you desire.

        In the least, cheer up folks, there’s gold in them there hills 🙂

        • Jeremy,
          I was channeling the thoughts that were so often spoken by the spiritual leaders of our Native American tribes. Many speak of the future, the life after death weld where everything is as it was, before their downward spiral caused by greed.
          I have a future, and believe it will be what I make it to be. Nothing sad there.
          But, if we can’t empathize with a destroyed people…we will never learn to live with happiness.
          We can’t ignore the atrocities of the past…learn…change.

          • I’ll be smilng more, once I’m back out chasing that rainbow this June!
            Thanks for caring, Jeremy P! 🙂

        • J.P. I recommend the book “Fourth Turning”. It too, has high hopes for this generation.

      • Ya, pattern looks like maybe a musician or music band story next SB lol…just IMO- a pattern guess.

    • Hello Donna M. Your comment confuses me. How can one know a future is dead? The comment I made to Jake about doing our best to change what is, wouldn’t that make a difference? Look at the world. If everyone laid their arms down, wouldn’t that make a difference? A step in the positive?

      • Pdenver, read my following post to Jeremy. It was an empathetical statement concerning the past plight of the American Indians. The past, as in, it never will return to those “Lord of the Plains” days. It’s gone and over for them. The only way to return to those glorious days before white men took over, is to re-live them in their heaven. I meant no reference to this world’s future, which is undecided by the Gods. Yes, as a people, we need to just leave each other alone! Then, and only then, will we live in peace. I don’t see it happening in my lifetime, sadly.
        Thank you for your comment.

  38. JDA, you are or were a stone sculpture. Do you know what kind was used for the Nez Perce chief that is shown above? I’m not sure if it’s Alabaster or something different.

    • It looks like alabaster to me. He worked almost exclusively in alabaster, as far as I know. JDA

      • Thank you, JDA. I greatly appreciate it. I didn’t realize Alabaster had different shades to it.

    • I do have to point out that JDA was a sculptor not a sculpture, although I have never met him.

  39. Is a female bison called a cow? Is it possible to tell if it’s a “cow” skull vs. a “bull” skull by looking at it?

  40. … Van Winkle here.
    Just woke up from a nap too…a real long one.
    Amazing, when I went to get up, I straight fell out of bed and hit my forehead on the nightstand. Better than coffee…

  41. Forrest, the plight of the native people has always been a tear in my heart. I can’t explain it, it just has. I love the knowledge you freely give us. Such education(s) simply come at too high a cost.

  42. “Go as far as you can see; when you get there, you’ll be able to see further.”

    That works well to a point. The natives made their own mistakes, but the games continue long after assumed conclusions. Ambiguous to those not on the inside. Toyed with, alone, tired. Easy to mistake intention and easier to do wrong by f and a name “long since forgotten” all too easily.

  43. It snows in the Rockies all the way into June!!! No wonder this thing hasn’t been found. There are roughly 60 days of clear ground at higher elevations. Lovely….

  44. Maybe a “singing wire” is a crystal radio set. (As opposed to a “talking wire”.) And the song is “A Sunday Kind of Love. If you tweak the little copper wire to the exact frequency, who knows what you might pick up.

  45. Nice idea for the great-grand daughter – she really has Lady now at every visit and forever when inherited. Good idea. I thought native americans/indians always referred to themselves by their tribe – surprised to read ‘indian kid’ rather than ‘crow kid’. I like Lady best of all because she has a home now and later. 🙂 K C . . . crow 🙂

  46. I hope it’s many years until Arden takes possession of her alabaster friend. Forrest, your words are more than eloquent. Thanks for using them to paint a picture of a time and place we wouldn’t have seen otherwise. And for introducing us to great people like Joe Medicine Crow as well as so many special artists.

  47. Well .. That was fun. Amen to gold in the hills. Appy’s don’t all have spots, but they do have striped hooves, mottled skin , and white sclera in their eyes. Most on average are roan, blue or red.

    Garden of Eden is in North Africa or at least where it should have been by the location of the rivers. All DNA goes back to there.Including mine.

    I haven’t had a chance to watch the video on migration, but its likely across the Straight, Siberian Huskies got here on the ice.

    If our last president had his way to ‘fundamentally change America” you Will live long enough to see the next genocide here on this continent. History does repeat itself.

    There will never be peace on this earth.
    So lets spend our time searching for gold and enjoying every minute we do have here.

    I met a chief once. At a pow wow .My daughter at the time was about 3 years old and she wanted to dance with the Indians. So she did, she had a deer skin for a cape and she took to the dance like a duck to water. ( a blue eyed blond …she got seriously strange looks from the “Indians” . After the dance we had the opportunity to meet the chief. Using a combination of sign and English… he told my daughter ‘its not whats here (indicating skin color), its whats here( indicating whats in your heart)

    PS Crazy Horse was a blue eyed blond.

  48. I don’t know why, but these look more like Allan Houser’s style to me than Doug Hyde’s.

    I was in the library the other day and stumbled across a Santa Fe book and opened by happen stance right to a photo of “Here They Come” by Houser. Also, had a picture of some bronzes by Glenna Goodacre, and a particularly interesting story about a bronze buffalo sculpture placed in the road median by “someone at Nedra Matteuci’s Fenn Galleries.” A mysterious benefactor bought it and removed it after a lengthy debate about it being a safety hazard.

    Anyways, I was a bit side tracked…. maybe the sculptures above just look a lot like Houser’s work because Hyde was a student of his. It just stood out to me especially given the seemingly intentional mix-ups f tends to make in these SBs.

  49. JDA,

    Thanks for the info. I thought it was posted maybe in an earlier year (2016,2015, etc.) and there was a reason for a second posting. Martha made the comment that I thought indicated that it was posted a second time.

    Once again, many thanks.

  50. Funny that SB181 is alive again, Tarheel, this may interest you .

    The photo of Joe caught my eye because I recently read a biography about Edward Curtis, the Indian photographer and ethnographer. His life’s work was a monumental 20 volume set of books named THE NORTH AMERICAN INDIAN. It is used today by some tribes to revive their culture, language and customs.

    In 1907, Mr. Curtis’ interviewed Joe’s great uncle, White Man Runs Him, and two other Cree scouts. He challenged the white man’s accounts of the battle and the General, and the Indian version prevails today.

    Curtis was a self-educated poor boy, always struggling against the prejudice of the academics. His decades long project was funded by J.P. Morgan, but he worked without pay. He dined with Teddy Roosevelt and earned a little income doing society portraits and weddings. Curtis later worked for Cecil B DeMille on the Plainsman with Gary Cooper & Jean Arthur. He died in obscurity 1952 at the age of 85…. with less than $50 in his pocket

    In 1972, when Fenn was starting his gallery, a group of art & photography collectors and investors retrieved 2000 of Curtis’ photogravures and copper plates from the basement of a Boston rare book dealer and moved them to Santa Fe for a showing. Only 222 of the promised 500 twenty volume sets were printed because the Great Depression had begun. I think an Indian connection is very likely to the solve.

    – – – – –

    I am already a winner in this a treasure hunt. I have no idea where the chest is, but I am rich in the wood (books) that the Chase has led me to. The biography I read is SHORT NIGHTS OF THE SHADOW CATCHER by Tim Egan. See Chapter 9 for Joe’s uncle and the Epiloguehe Santa Fe data. OS2

    • OS2
      Here is a link to Timothy Eagan speaking about”Short Nights….” and his Curtis connection a couple years ago in Bellingham, WA
      He is an interesting speaker and the photos he chose for the presentation are glorious…
      Unfortunately Roxanne was nervous during the introduction but Tim is Point-On.

    • OZ2…SHADOW CATCHER reminds me a bit a of “Shadow Casting” for that big beautiful rainbow in A River Runs Thru It. Brad Pitt was luminous in that beautiful film directed by Robert Redford. Gotta be a hint in there somewhere.

      • Sandy, I read that book early on in the hunt, (again, something I wouldn’t have read if it weren’t for the hunt). I recall that I though there was a good bit of connective tissue was between the Maclean and the Fenn semi-autobiographies. Thanks for reminding me.

      • Lisa, I doubt I will read a fly-fishing instruction book with out some convincing. I guess the title has to do with not scaring the fish away with a shadow cast by the fisherman or his rod. I had only understood the term as a weather effect in the mountains… something about rain & wind & altitude & dry and wet sides. If you want to convince me, I am listening.

      • SB 115…dental hygiene featuring Brad Pitt sporting a Cheshire cat style grin and a ridiculous nunber of toothbrushes. When I think of “pitt” I think of a cavity. Could the treasure be hidden in full flourish in a brushy cavity?? A cavity in a rock wall obscured by brush? Gotta be a hint in there somewhere. Shadowcasting as I understand the technique is intended to mimic the hatch.

        • I think you finally put your thumb on it Sandy. While coaxial illumination may inhance the magnification it is most important not forget about temperature. In this case to low and you end up with a gold cast, to high and you end up blue. Brushing that aside, Brad seems to have struck the perfect balance. Still not to sure how his shadowcasting style benefits his Zug Bug presentation though, unless he’s floating with a dropper.

          • Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it….
            I am haunted by waters.
            Norman Mclean

    • OS2,
      Thanks for the info as it is very interesting. I have been interested in Native American artifacts since my first find in 1973 but, within the last decade, have been reading more on the history of the Plains Indians and people of the West.
      I have concentrated less on artifacts. The characters and stories of the West fascinates me. I’ll have to check out Tim Egan’s book.
      Thank you for the tip on the book.

      • Tim, …. I only buy used books these days, this one was $2 from, and it was an easy read … it flowed, was not technical.

        Mr. Curtis gave his life to documenting 80 Indian tribes before they entirely disappeared. Heroic work.

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