The Blaze…Part Three


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This is the place to discuss the the blaze. What do you think it is? Is it temporary or permanent? Will it be around for a thousand years or doesn’t it matter? Is it easy to spot or difficult? Does the poem tell us what the blaze looks like or what it is?

Nick Lazaredes of SBS-TV’s Dateline in Australia interviewed Forrest in the spring of 2014. Here is Forrest explaining the BLAZE.

812 thoughts on “The Blaze…Part Three

  1. Ken, from the previous page, you’ve asked a couple good questions. In regards to “unorthodox,” I’m not sure. From what I read from Cynthia about “The Lure” interview, and the paraphrased response from Mr. Fenn, it makes me wonder if the clues are in order. I’ve been a little confused about this.

    • It does seem from the same interview, that once the blaze is found, the treasure would be understandably found, too. This is an opinion, offered as a thought.

      • IMO, when one finds the Blaze, said Searcher is not too far from figuring out the rest of the clues. IMO, At least he/she will soon be on the correct route. IMO, someone shall soon be going in peace and gaining title to the gold! No bluffing.

      • I gathered the same from watching/listening to the latest Q & A . . . once you find the Blaze, the Chest will be there.
        Just my opinion formed from what was spoken in the latest Q & A.

        • if your a hiker a blaze is a trail marker you find it and follow the blaze; for example like an x on a tree.

      • Morn pdenver
        What you say is sum what true, but the solves that I have seen and mine personally show that once you have found the blaze you have 95% completed. But as F is and F does it doesn’t hand over the treasure chest, once you’re at the blaze you now have to find the TC. Even if you look quickly down or directly down, it still doesn’t mean that you are holding the TC. This is something that all of us bloggers are guilt of. Reading the poem and making the clues from the poem validate the hints in the books instead of the other way around.
        Best of Luck and Be Safe out there,

        • Pdenver. I am in agreement to what you say here. Tim, with that what you say looking quickly down still doesn’t mean one finds the chest ect. In my thinking, I think this has to do with the proximity of the person to the Blaze. If it is seen and looked down from at distance or directly at and below at the blaze location- meaning at arms length sight of blaze . I think one has to be at the exact Blaze location; close enough to be able to touch it. That is how I read into it. I don’t think it is a seen from afar blaze and look down but be at the blaze and look down. Hope I am right in a couple months. imo.

          • Cheers Quakrspecle! Transitioning from guess working the poem to confidence is most daunting with this poem.

          • Alset, you are probably right but I just don’t see the poem giving us enough information to know how close the blaze is. It says if you’ve found the blaze. Finding it could mean seeing it from a distance or close enough to touch it. In any case as long as we find it we should find the chest.

          • Aaron. I agree with what you say. The poem does not say how close it is or the distance of seeing it. I can only go by my thesis of what I think is my solution of the poem. I have an area decided, starting point and finish of the poem, blaze ect. I went from armchair to botg over a week ago but snow prevented me from getting to my search area, oh so close to my spot. From armchair thesis to being there my view/opinion remains the same. My Blaze allocation is still the same. I can reach it easily enough without the snow of course. The options there with it are either right at it, close to it or some distance from it. All those options are available to exorcise in the search area. I will try right at it then close to it ect. For me, all distances at it or from it are applicable. Ether way, I am just not limited to either. Which ,for me, is in good standing to all potential possibilities. My first deduction is right at it. IMO.

          • I see, this must mean your blaze is visible from GE. I know you can’t wait to get back out there and check it. Good luck!

          • Yes , I really want to get back there. Been troubled ever since being blocked by snow lol. It is hard to tell from Canada here if there is snow at certain elevations no matter the tech resources. People here on the blogs are a good snow cover resource info .

          • Aaron, Forgot to mention, no I can’t see the blaze from GE. At least not that I could find. With all other things to the poem I had the area I think, so the blaze would have to have been there somewhere. Being there close to the location I did see what I think is the blaze.

            This below link would be a good Blaze to use if it was hidden in Canada. I wonder who made this blaze.


        • I agree Timothy.
          Once you’ve found the blaze, the second part of the search will start.

          • The treasure has to be very close to the blaze or the statement “look quickly down, your quest to cease” does not make since. There should be a very small area to search for the chest when you are at the blaze.

          • I can see many people refering to the “blaze” as a single object.

            I don’t niece it is, because when any trail is marked, there are ALWAYS multiples of the mark that will exist,

            If you decide to go into the forest and not mark a trail for your return trip, you don’t deserve to be on this chase.

            Sorry, but that is a rule of safety those individuals are leaning on.

            The blaze is not a single point of reference, but a trailvto lead you to the trove.

            IMO of course…*smiles*….
            One could also surmise that FF, an avid outdoorsman, realizes the safety feature of a marked trail…..for all ages.

            Discard safety…., you might as well stay home.

            Good luck.

          • Tom B;

            Just for argument sake let’s say that you are high up on a mountain knoll. In the distance you see a marking on a cliff that you think is the blaze. You “Look quickly down” at a beautiful valley that stretches a mile or two in each direction below the blaze, and that the valley is a mile or two across.

            “Look quickly down” at what? How has looking quickly down at this big expanse of land brought you much closer to Indulgence? I would give it a bit more thought were I you. Play the “WhatIF” game that Seeker likes us to play. You might learn something, and get a wee bit closer to finding Indulgence, instead of just taking the most obvious answer. Just my opinion, and I could well be wrong. JDA

          • JDA. That scenario doesn’t work either, in my opinion. If you have to go down into a valley after seeing the blaze, then by definition your quest hasn’t ceased. Remember, Forrest said to keep it simple.

          • The only way it makes sense that your quest ceases when you look down at the blaze is if the chest is close to the blaze. Unless you are suggesting that the chest is not the quest.

    • I think the blaze can only really be seen on a map. It could be a border line.

    • Hey Dal, Why did you add caves to the list of places the chest is not found in?

  2. Dal,

    Just have to say that I am absolutely enthralled by everything on your site. I hope to one day be able to get out there and experience the wild of nature for the adventure and thrill of it all. Thanks for everything. If I never get out there, I have sincerely enjoyed the thoughts and imaginations that have preoccupied my mind while reading on your site. Thank you.

    As for the blaze, I’m wondering based on Fenn’s remarks you posted…it seems as though it could be more natural, and thus something that a regular passerby would not think of as a marking for treasure. That would hold true to his remarks about the need to follow all the previous clues in order to recognize the blaze for what it is. No sense in getting ahead of the other clues. A regular hiker would just go past it.

    It’s fascinating to the point I’m losing sleep!

    • Mikey, “regular” hikers don’t go there. It’s too far off the
      beaten path. There are no “established” human trails near
      where the TC is. FF doesn’t like to stay on “established”
      human trails.

      All my opinion. Yours may differ.

  3. I believe that “the blaze” is something physical. Not a wild fire, but , maybe, an historical marker on the side of a road. Would it be there 1,000 years from now? Maybe. Most things in our modern world is destroyed but what isn’t any ideas?

    • Karen, the blaze is not in a city. Things in cities are too temporary. Think about how things will be a thousand
      years from now.

      FF has said that the TC is not “in close proximaty” to
      a human trail. I believe that a road is a human trail.

      So the blaze isn’t a historical marker on the side of a road.

      All in my opinion. Yours may differ.

      • Imo the blaze could be a burned forest, like the Hayman fire….Not many trails and not many visitors…
        Any thoughts…?

        • Did the fire happen before the poems creation? Would remnants of the fire ,as a visual clue, stand the test of time of a hundred or more years from now? Forests are renewed after a fire and forest burn at some point in its history .So for this to be a specific clue as a probability would diminish quickly over time. Just my two bits .

          • Those stand the test of time, Pdenver, and would qualify as a blaze not because of a blaze being a fire in my opinion .

            If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
            Look quickly down, your quest to cease,

            The remnants of a forest is fire, is that, a post event of a fire. To be a blaze it would have to be ablaze in the moment of the ever now not ever ending.

            Time is very much an element written within the poem in my opinion. I test a clue idea with its relationship with time- the test of time. To me , a forest fire fails this test . For the blaze ( I take it as being what it is (as one would see it in the now forevermore) to be a fire, it would would have to be burning in the now.

          • If you’ve been wise and found the blaze. You’ve = you have= past tense. Been= no longer. Wise=with age comes wisdom. I see no mention of the now in this line. Found=discovered. The blaze=singular.

          • There is very much so a’ now’ time in this sentance. The poem is a map. So, if you have solved all the contiguous clues and have arrived at this correct point and location ,If you’ve been (up until now) wise and (now you have)found the blaze, look quickly down your quest to cease.

            And the word ‘been’ in the sentance structure, means ‘ up until now’ (time)
            Quickly is a word of time meaning also. The whole sentence is themed of time- been( past up until now) found the blaze( past wisdom brought you here and this now) look quickly down( now) your quest to cease ( you are now finished)

          • Hi Als… is a thought for you to ponder…..

            You wrote:

            “So for this to be a specific clue as a probability would diminish quickly over time. ”

            I think you are missing an important aspect of any forest fire, and that would be….although the fire is no longer there, and if the scorched land is revitalized and regrown to look like a regular forest, well, the aspect you may not have considered is that the “blaze” would still be listed in the USFS annuls and thus would be something that could be “found”.

            One can find a region where a fire occurred and still be able to utilize it, if it is applicable.

            So in a nutshell, just because the land no longer has the markings that a fire once was there, the fire would have been annotated as occurring and thus, would survive many, many years.

            One would just have to be “wise” to find it.


            Good luck to you!

          • Tim. Pondering your presented thesis ,I have done. Thank you for the response.

            To test a theoretical approach , I measure them against the core guidelines ; those being the poem, stories and FF quotes.


            Being as the poem has been written and completed;

            1- Could the blaze be a permanent form or object where time and exposure would have a nonimal effect of its form,longevity and be identified easily by reading the poem 100 years from now without special knowledge and research ?

            2- Could the blaze be a one time forest conflagration that happened before or during the time the pòem was written. Therefore ,it was written into the poem as a clue and could also be able to easily be identified as a clue 100 years from now without special knowledge and research?

            Words have ‘time’ stamped within their meaning.

            A fire burning in the now is something a blaze . A fire is not a blaze when it is no longer burning for in this now it becomes ‘ was a blaze’- an area scorched from when it was a blaze.

            So, in the poem, we are to be wise and look quickly down when we find the blaze. The word blaze in the poem means to me ,’as what it( the blaze) looks now is the same as when he wrote the poem and will 100 years from now.’.A blaze meaning , refering to meaning a fire ,is a now time; a current event time descriptive word of a now event. Looking at an area after a blazing fire happened , we would not say ‘ look at that blaze!

            I think as simply as possible first, secondary. is the complex analysis of the simplicity of it.

            This is my opinion.


          • Thanks for taking the time to respond.

            “Over that hill was where the fire was. All you can see now is what is left of the blaze.”

            Therefore, the remnants of the fire can still be considered a “blaze”.

            a spot or mark made on a tree, as by painting or notching or by chipping away a piece of the bark, to indicate a trail or boundary.
            a white area down the center of the face of a horse, cow, etc.
            verb (used with object), blazed, blazing.
            to mark with blazes:
            to blaze a trail.
            to lead in forming or finding (a new method, course, etc.):
            His research in rocketry blazed the way for space travel.


            verb (used with object), blazed, blazing.
            to make known; proclaim; publish:
            Headlines blazed the shocking news.


            “I watched them blaze and blaze and remember thinking how warm it was, how light, on the freezing Saturnian January night.”

            verb (transitive)
            to indicate or mark (a tree, path, etc) with a blaze

            – “with a blaze”


          • Tim,
            Quote from your response:

            “Over that hill was where the fire was. All you can see now is what is left of the blaze.”
            Therefore, the remnants of the fire can still be considered a “blaze”. End quote.

            I have already spoke to this quote in my earlier writ, so just reread my prior response to that again.

            In short, your quote is referring to a past reference of a blaze that was a fire. In the poem he writes The Blaze not Was a Blaze nor a reference to a past presents of such. If it was a flare stack at gas plant seen from a distance when in the area I could relate it being a Blaze as a fire in the poem. Maybe there is a gas plant visible from the hide site. The clues in the poem are were chosen for their longevity constance. I don’t think it is something that would be a point to cause one to research a history of the spot in order to establish a clue. Not for the blaze anyway. How can you just walk with the poem as a map to the spot. What, you have to stop when you see a burnt reminant . Log into google about the spot for historical fires there. Then cross reference timelines to see if FF might be referring to these burnt remnants at this spot for a blaze that is no longer The Blaze of fire?

            So, let’s imagine that you have solved all clues correctly up to the now and you reach your Blaze of a former 100 or 1000 or more hectare fire that happened over 15 years ago. Now look quickly down.

            Good luck to you. LOL.

            Good opinion challenge, thanks.


          • Hey Als….just an FYI…

            I don’t prescribe to the fire blaze scenario.

            I personally think the f scribes a mark on a tree. There is another way that he could have done it, based upon the geology of the landscape, but I am not willing to reveal that method yet.

            ” now I’m weak.” makes me feel like he created the blaze.


          • Ya, the fire scenario as being the blaze would never get me past a guessing of any of what the clues are on site or even if I thought I had the right site.The blaze really solidifies your all other clues imo. There are many types of things that can be blazes and many of each type possible to recognize as such in any area. FF kind of said this in a sort of way imo, when he said ( paraphrasing) there are 10 billion blazes out there. In my area I could see there are 2 exactly of the same in my concept.But only one is the one.They are located in the same area but quite a distance away from my spot on site. There can be multiple ones to notice but only one is the one. Having the rest of the clues that brought me to the blaze, made it so I could be more certain which one is more likely. In my opinion in light of this, the blaze is very important for bringing all the clues together from guessing to confidence for my solve. Kind of liken the blaze as being ‘checkmate’ for the solve.

          • I’m with Alset on the blaze not being a location of a fire. The blaze is something that will be around for a long time not something that you have to research and find out that it was once there, IMO. Even carving on a tree or making a pile of rocks doesn’t seem very likely to stand quite enough of a test of time IMO. To me it sounds like something that is natural, not easily destroyed, and clearly visible when approached.

          • In BC Canada so far this fire season has burned a record 900,000 hectares of forest and is not even close to ending yet. Forest’s burn , promotes new growth ,is cyclical and changes topography . I think his Blaze would withstand wind, water and fire events iin longevity susceptibility. IMO . Every forest will have burned at some point in the past/future. I find it hard to rational the Blaze as a fire as a clue or hint. IMO .Look quickly down?

            FF – “While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there.”

          • thanks for responding Aaron.

            “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze”….

            …is in past tense, thus making “the blaze” an ALREADY existing feature that has been included within the poem.

            Since it already exists within the searching portion of the hunt, one can now presume that the “blaze” must be something associated to FF, the poem, AND some sort of meaning to the seeker.

            Once again, we see FF utilizing a multi-level representation of HOW something stated within the poem (the blaze) that is a ditect interaction of the seeker with the hunt.

          • Alsetenash;

            I think that your interpretation of these words is far too simplistic. I think that you need to look at deeper meanings of words like quickly.

            I do agree that one of the interpretations is time related, but is just one interpretation enough? I think maybe not. Just misin’ JDA

          • JDA . Too simplistic? Simplistic , yes, but too simplistic? Interesting point of view . Quickly is a reference to speed and speed is measured by time- go figured.

            I am of the opinion that there are 3 perspective levels of difficulty present in the poem. Each level is solvable from in each perspective. The child, the redneck and the architect . Just to give labels to the levels. I have my solve checked and balanced in all 3 levels. I only have one blaze, though only having one, isn’t being overly simplistic imo.

          • Al;

            You may very well be right. I am just offering us things to think about. You just may have the right analysis, I I may be full of it – Time shall tell I guess. JDA

          • It’s all good JDA, it is the point of posting here. I scrutinize my own ideas rather stringently. I must eliminate all things to chance in my solution. I welcome any challenge to my thoughts and ideas.

          • @ charlie – from a previouos blog post in a different forum….you wrote:

            “charlie commented on Odds n Ends About Fenn’s Treasure Hunt….
            in response to AkB Treasure Hunter:

            There is only one blaze, if you were to bet that “THE” blaze was made up of multiple things, then I would say “Jake, don’t take that be.” But, you are saying there are multiple blazes, so I say, “Jake, clean them out.” “Take the bet”
            If you are taking the road of, a blaze points the way, then, with “YOUR” definition of a blaze there may be multiple blazes. We are not looking for your definition of the blaze, we are looking for Fenn’s. He has said too many times ,”THE” blaze, “a” blaze, meaning one. Jake has tried to tell you this, with no prevail. It seems you need “ALL” the quotes from f to finally convince you, do your own research. How really important is the blaze anyway when f has been asked and said,” Forrest, what is the minimum number of clues that we need to solve to find the treasure, assuming that we follow the clues in order?
            Just one, the last one. Unless the blaze is the last clue, which it isn’t from another of his quotes, Can’t start in the middle, etc…Your multiple blazes theory falls apart.
            How many clues take up this multiple blaze theory?
            It’s either one, the last one which it cannot be, or it’s some of the earlier clues, which means really nothing.
            ONE blaze!!!!!!!!’


            If one were to utilize the poem…..”if you’ve been wise and found the blaze”

            It appears that the poem is only referencing one blaze also.


          • Yep, imo there is only one blaze and it is FF’s chosen one. There can be many blazes seen for as many as there are definitions for blazes. There is but one specific one for FF on the map in his poem. How can a person be confident they have a match prior to not having found the chest?

          • Edit correction:

            I meant ‘ How can a person be confident of a match without yet having found the chest’.

          • I think you mean to say, How can person be certain they have found the correct one without first finding the tc? I don’t think that’s plausible imo due to ff’s comments over the years but that may prove otherwise.
            I’ve been fully confident and sure in every attempt I’ve made to find the tc as it is expensive for me to go and even look I wouldn’t of even bothered if I wasn’t fully confident in that location.
            It’s easy for me to see why ff can say the finder would arrive at the tc by no mistake and fully confident he/she had done so correctly because it won’t be stumbled upon accidentally and the finder will have moved in complete confidence verifying each $tep in the manner ff describes.

          • Quoting you aMp- “I think you mean to say, How can person be certain they have found the correct one without first finding the tc?”

            Yes, that is what I meant as correct one referring to the blaze.
            Yes, the many of confidence has heard the howls of wolves to the never ending of the days .

            I guess ones confidence can be measured by their past history of success in confidence ;proving thereof having good reason to be confident of their confidence. I have a picture that gives me confidence, not of the chest but of the camouflage.

          • Hi JDA – Had to scroll up a bit to find a place to comment.

            “I think that your interpretation of these words is far too simplistic. I think that you need to look at deeper meanings of words like quickly.”

            IMO, the meanings, definitions, and interpretations of words do not matter. That is unless you aren’t familiar with English. If I’m wrong about this, Jake will eat his hat.

            On a side note, if you are searching for the treasure chest in a place that is still covered in snow, you may want to try another approach. IMO, Indulgence hasn’t been covered by snow for several months.

            Please don’t send your family into places where it could be dangerous. You always preach safety so please think about this.

      • Yes, I know this is a latent response but, for the sake of new searchers, feel compelled to provide the full sentence as I believe it makes a difference:

        “When I am in the mountains or in the desert, the last place I want to be is on a trail. Ain’t no adventure in that for me. There isn’t a human trail in very close proximaty to where I hid the treasure.f”

        The link provides full context. Note the word “very” and the misspelling.

        • Thanks for providing the quote, and its context. I too think that the “very” is quite important. The mis-spelling, not sure it has a meaning other than to draw attention to itself. JDA

          • I believe the use of the term “human trail” is more important. There may be wildlife trails in that area.

          • Franklin – I know someone else asked, and I failed to see an answer. If you do not mind saying, what state are you searching in? Good luck to Ya’ JDA

          • JDA,
            Yes, I agree. I believe Forrest uses misspelled words to draw attention. Attention to what, though, is the question. The word itself, a phrase, the sentence, or something else about the overall context in which it is placed…?? It’s always fun to TRY to think like Forrest, but success has proven rare indeed, it seems.

          • JDA

            Same great State as you sir. Not on tribal land, not on private property and not in a National Park. This riddle will be solved soon I believe.


          • Joe;

            I agree – Thinking like Forrest has proven difficult.


            I agree, I believe that it will be solved soon. Wyoming is such a GREAT state. The Wonderful Wilds of Wyoming!!!

            I agree, not on Indian lands, not in a National Park. Not on private lands. That leaves BLM and/or Forest Service (National Forest) lands. JDA

          • I do as well. Very seems like you may hike down a trail then leave the trail for a bit upon finding a clue that directs you off of it.

    • JDA

      AMEN to everything you said. No matter how all this turns out, I look forward to meeting you and other searchers in person one fine day. Good luck sir. I believe the end is drawing nigh 🙂

  4. I think the blaze is permanent for all intents and purposes, was not placed by Forrest but rather chosen by him, cannot be moved, and can be found on a map. But I don’t think the treasure is where the blaze is, which I know goes against what most people get from the poem.

      • I agree fully with Zap. I don’t think the blaze is where the treasure rests. I almost wonder if WWWH is also a blaze, and the start is easily confused by the end.

      • Dal,
        I agree with you, once you establish where the blaze is and I think it’s beautiful and nature at its best!
        That’s my opinion, thanks Dal your great!
        Dal, will you look again for the chest?
        Best regards, Martha

    • After blaze it is ‘ look quickly down your quest to cease’. I tend to think it is pretty much at the blaze in my interpretation imo . If I am wrong I best bring a parashute lol. IMO.

      • I think you will see marvell gaze first. The blaze is deceptive but natural. Landscape. I also think it has something to do with Eric Sloane. See ff, and you may see marvell gaze, Figure out Eric Sloane, and you’ll know where.
        Dal, remember that pic I sent you? That was marvell gaze. Fold that pic onto itself at 50% opacity, that is the blaze. Deceptive…

    • zaphod, no paper map (including topo maps) shows the blaze.
      But google earth does, if you zoom far enough. The TC
      is about 200 feet from the blaze, substantially “below” it.

      All my opinion. Yours may differ.

      • Yes, my opinion most decidedly does. 😉 It’s on the map and named.

        • Hope it’s not a cliff Lazar.
          How can you look quickly down to where the chest exactly located from 200′ above?

    • If the chest can potentially be buried/concealed over time, could the blaze eventually be as well?

      And I thought somebody mentioned that during the Q&A after the premiere of “The Lure” that Forrest insinuated in one of his responses that the chest and the blaze were in very close proximity to one another and that it would be difficult to find the blaze and not the chest. Am I remembering this correctly?

      • Hi Blex,

        “If the chest can potentially be buried/concealed over time, could the blaze eventually be as well?”

        Well, I think most searchers believe the chest is ~already~ concealed in some fashion if not buried. And if you are a searcher that favors any location within 500 miles of Yellowstone, then EVERY clue’s physical location could become buried in ash when the Yellowstone super-volcano next erupts (quite unlikely in the next century). But, barring such a catastrophic event, I do not believe the blaze is in any danger of becoming buried.

        “And I thought somebody mentioned that during the Q&A after the premiere of “The Lure” that Forrest insinuated in one of his responses that the chest and the blaze were in very close proximity to one another and that it would be difficult to find the blaze and not the chest. Am I remembering this correctly?”

        I haven’t seen a confirmed transcript, but I don’t think Forrest “insinuated” anything about the proximity/proximaty of the chest to the blaze. People may have ~inferred~ it based on an erroneous conclusion. Just as an example, suppose the blaze was a lighthouse (obviously not in our case since all of our four states are land-locked). It may not be the location of the lighthouse that is relevant so much as the places it illuminates. Wouldn’t you agree in this case that the blaze and the chest could be quite distant from one another?

        • Zap, in your lighthouse example I agree that yes the blaze could be quite distant from the chest. However, using just the text of the poem, all we have to go on is “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, look quickly down your quest to cease”. The only manner in which I could envision the blaze and chest being of some distance apart is if the blaze were high above at the brink of a precipice, which does not sound like an area where I would be comfortable to have children playing.

          I can’t remember who posted the insinuation that Forrest was saying after the Lure interview. It might have been Cynthia on the most recently archived Odds n’ Ends page? I want to say it was something along the lines of Forrest stating that he could not imagine someone finding the blaze and not finding the chest. Anyone know? Did I dream this?

          • Blex…yes you dreamed that…
            What Forrest actually said was:
            “I have not said that a searcher was closer than 12’ from the treasure. It is not likely that anyone would get that close and not find it.”

            This is from Scrapbook Seventy-eight.

            Cynthia quoted this statement by Forrest and than expressed her opinion about the relationship between the blaze and the chest…
            Look down a bit to the comment from Cynthia I think you are remembering…

          • Ah, my mistake. Chalk that one up to hearing what I thought was a new Forrest quote being shared secondhand.

          • Hi Blex, I’d just stick to what you know FF actually said.

            With as many searchers out here, words will get skewed. I’ve done it myself….inadvertently, but tried to keep my meaning intact.

          • LOL, thanks for the redundant finger-wagging, Tim. It inspired me to go back through the posts and discover that I wasn’t dreaming about this after all.

            The initial post I was remembering was Cynthia’s statement here in the Odds n’ Ends Archive #26 (May 19th, 2017; 2:42 PM):

            There is another post from Cynthia a bit further down on this page (May 22, 2017; 4:03 PM) in which she references SB78 (per Dal’s comment above) and goes on to say that Forrest said something about the blaze and treasure being in the same close proximity TWICE during the Q&A. She said the she searched through her recorded bits, but did not have it on record in any of her excerpts.

            This post-screening interview with Forrest after “The Lure” is a gray area at this point in “The Gospel book of Forrest Fenn Quotes” because Toby took down the full version of the interview at Forrest’s request and we only have a few snippets that Cynthia posted. But we also have Cynthia’s personal account from her memory after attending the event, which is secondhand, but I’m willing to consider as trustworthy unless it’s proven wrong, as it’s currently the best information to go off of. IMO, Cynthia seems convincingly emphatic about what she remembers hearing Forrest say during the interview.

            Forrest seems to be very good at self-policing himself when he makes statements to individuals or small groups about the treasure location, in that he is quick to follow up and share those statements to the general public. Like when he made a point to announce WWWH is not at a dam after letting that clue slip in a conversation with a searcher.

            We can debate about how reliable Cynthia’s memory is, but that won’t get us anywhere. Why doesn’t someone simply ask Forrest via email or on the MW site if this is indeed something he said at the Lure interview, and he can confirm or deny it right away to put this issue to bed? Or maybe Toby can give us some confirmation since he still presumably has the full version of the video?

            At the moment, I’m sticking to my guns on this one and siding with Cynthia’s secondhand account. It doesn’t really make a difference to my solve; I’ve always thought that the blaze and the chest were in very close proximity and this doesn’t change anything except give me a little extra confirmation. Definitively finding out if this is an actual Forrest quote will only bring more searchers closer towards my line of thinking, which could give me an added amount of competition, so why should I care? I guess I just don’t like getting unjustifiably called out for spreading misinformation.

            One could just as easily make the decision to consider Cynthia’s memory to be unreliable and pay no heed to what she says she remembers hearing from Forrest, and one would be no better or worse off in their quest for the Treasure.

            Dash off into the weeds in whatever direction tickles your fancy, and I’ll do likewise.

          • Hi Blex…no “finger wagging”, it just isn’t my cup of tea to rely on someone else to give me information that cannot be completely confirmed.

            I’ll utilize FF and what he says and thinks to make all my decisions.

            He is the one who created the puzzle, not Cynthia.

            FYI – I too have a solve with “A BLAZE that is in close proximity” to what I think is the final location of the TC. Does that make yours more accurate? We won’t know until we have the chest in our possession, huh?

            IMO – Cynthia has great and good intention of her postings….but clearly, it was not a complete interview – you even said so yourself.

            How can you come to a complete picture, if you don’t have complete information.

            Yeah…like “zap” thinks….I’m insane. Maybe we need to be insane to complete the task set in front of us? :o)

            IMO…I thought the interview with the director was more enlightening… the least…he gave a personal observation of what the searchers feel and think. They are legion and he sees it.

            IMO – FF will only repeat things he has already said in the past, and even in the small snippets of the interview that is available to those of us who were not there…..they are just rehashed words from a previous time.

            I do admit though…..FF did say a couple of things that had caught my eye, and it seemed to be so direct in the action we are to take, I’ve noted it.

            Good luck to you.

    • zap – im with you – I think the blaze is permanent and I also don’t think the treasure is where the blaze is

      • To me it sounds like that if you are following the clues and walking from the correct direction that as soon as the blaze becomes visible to you then you just look down and there it is.

    • From SB78 June 25, 2014: He lists 9 statements.
      “Second, I have not said that a searcher was closer than 12’ from the treasure. It is not likely that anyone would get that close and not find it.” This statement by Fenn almost 3 years ago supports his recent statements at The Lure Q&A where he said TWICE, “If you find the blaze (the correct one from following the correct first clue), you will find the treasure.” “The treasure is at the blaze.” I can’t wait to receive the transcription of his words so we ALL know exactly what he said. From his 12 foot statement 3 years ago, it seems the treasure chest is at a maximum distance of 12 feet from the blaze. I suspect it is even closer, albeit “hidden”. If you know to look for something “hidden” at the blaze, you will find it! I’ll let you know at Fennboree…Ha Ha…18 more days…the pressure is huge. Would someone please find it and bring it with you?!

      • Oh, and remember:
        From Forrest Gets Mail -13 from the middle school class posted hod 2/8/2017
        What is Blaze? “Anything that stands out.”

        Questions with Fenn: Archive 1

        Is the Blaze one single object? ~ Scout Around
        In a word – Yes….

        The Nine Clues…….Part Thirtyone
        September 26, 2014

        forrestfenn on September 26, 2014 at 4:06 pm said:
        I had an enjoyably visit with Tom and his brother at the Downtown Subscription Coffee Shop in Santa Fe. They seemed like nice guys and avid treasure hunters. But there is confusion somewhere. While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there.

        Featured Question and Weekly Words from Forrest: Which Direction?
        April 29, 2016…direction/
        Mr. Fenn,
        Which direction does the Blaze face? North, South, East or West? Curious. Foxy
        I didn’t take a radial off of the blaze Foxy. I’m thinking it may not be any of those directions. F.

        IMO, the blaze is a “mark” on something that stands the test of time so not on the side of a tree. Maybe a mark or a rough “running man” figure he chiseled on top a boulder (so it’s not directional) when he visited this special place the first time which was before 1988. It has to be at the same place where he wanted to die, assuming the treasure chest is at the blaze as stated at the Q&A and various other places like in SB78.

        • “In a word – Yes”

          Yes, a word in the poem & I don’t think its the “blaze”
          I think it’s “wise”.

          Those chips I loved.

          • Jake, I think your absolutely
            I took off
            May 7th, because I like the number 7, I however was not wise,
            The park I went to
            Was.closed! I was
            Seasonal close. It
            Opens May 15!
            I rushed
            In like Thor!
            I should have hammer
            Though the gates, I didn’t, I knew where that would have landed me!!
            I didn’t do enough
            Second try, maybe the 3 attempt
            Will be the 7!
            I can’t stand driving across
            Now I know why
            Left Kansas!
            I wish I wasn’t
            So hyper,
            Just do it
            Has been my motto,
            It makes
            Life more

          • Martha,
            It’s still too early for most of the Rocky’s now.
            Be patient & wait till the snow melts.

            Where was your destination after going through Kansas?

          • Jake the destination was Wyoming
            The cowboy
            Has been
            a cowboy,
            Want to
            Hear my
            If so let’s
            Set up a
            Singing seriously,

          • I agree Jake, I believe you must solve that line before you can search. Very important to locating the correct blaze . IMO

        • Cynthia, your posting has some important
          info. I suggest you study it over and over
          a bunch of times. Good luck to you.

    • I agree with the “chosen by him” comment. I think the the blaze is one of the things in this location that made it a special place for him as opposed to something placed by him.

      • Aaron;

        I have a “Long” solve, and a “Simple” solve. With the “Long” solve, I agree, one of the blazes reminds Forrest of the waterfall in NAM – or visa-versa – anyway – the short or “Simple” solve – the blaze was put there by Forrest. JMHO JDA

  5. I often look at the blaze like a maze holding the last few clues. If you don’t go through the maze correctly by following the last few clues then you will not find how it is hidden at the blaze. Only one path will lead you there, all IMO of course.

  6. The Poem says “found the blaze” so what if you have to discover it rather than just see it?
    Having to find a hidden blaze would add a proper amount of difficulty, and then you look quickly down for the hiding place of the chest.
    I worked with this idea on my search last year, obviously to no avail, but haven’t given up on the idea.

    Here is a great actor playing a great role, searching for gold. And I feel just like that, I keep finding Arch Stanton, but I am so so close.

    • Meadowlark, how do you figure you are “so so close”?

      The blaze isn’t “hidden”, in the ordinary sense of that word.

      The blaze can be seen, even from miles away.

      The searcher(s) that were within about 500 feet of it didn’t
      follow the poem’s clue(s) correctly. This is also true for
      the searcher(s) that were within about 200 feet. These folks, in their solves, did well enough to favorably impress me — and I’m not easily favorably impressed (I admit).
      But the solvers apparently missed an important part of the poem, and were unable to identify/find the blaze.

      FF has told us that it’s risky to discount any word. I don’t
      think counting clues specifically helps much, as long as
      EVERY WORD of the poem is carefully considered, and
      analyzed to the nth degree, in EXCRUCIATING detail! No
      wonder it took FF 15 years to bring such a BRILLIANT
      poem to this degree of polish!

      I have been preaching for a long time that searchers
      should use a dictionary to look up common words that
      we think we already well know. I have also been preaching
      that searchers should also show the poem to a child (or preferably several children, separately). So I’m not specifically picking on you. You should do these things.

      Good luck in your solving and searching.

      The above is all my opinion. Yours may differ.

      • I’ve got JCM’s comment files and I don’t think there is any difference between the folks who have been 500 ft from the treasure and those who have been 200 ft. He just honed in over time on a more accurate reporting of the distance from TC to nearest common trail. I don’t know how he could identify that a singular male (possibly female with him) was closest? This is a hang up for me: I’m counting on the 200ft folks having been no closer than the 500 ft folks.

        • DWRock: for what it’s worth, I think hundreds of thousands of people if not millions have been within 500′ of the treasure and had no clue (though most of these were not searchers).

      • [quote]
        “The blaze can be seen, even from miles away.
        . . . The above is all my opinion. Yours may differ.”

        I’m gnawing on this . . . thanks, tighterfocus! 😉

    • Meadowlark: one of my favorite scenes from one of my favorite movies! Ennio Morricone’s score is perfecty matched and unforgettable. But which great actor (singular) were you referring to? All 3 — the good, the bad, and the ugly — are splendid actors, though I assume you meant Clint. 😉 It would not surprise me if Forrest has met Mr. Eastwood — seems like he’s met everyone else!

  7. And that is Forrest, Clint, firing the canon, dropping hints.

    I go back in a couple of months, and hopefully I understand the blaze this time.

    • I suggest that you finish solving the poem — including learning
      what and where the blaze is — before heading out on your
      next BOTG search hike. This can be done from home, if
      you think logically and carefully. But my solve took about
      300 hours, so don’t think it’s easy, okay? Things like the
      movie to which you refer (which is one of my all-time
      favorites, by the way) are just distractions. Just like most of
      the postings on these forums about the hunt. Too many
      of the folks are just looking for people to talk to, instead of focusing on solving the poem and finding the TC.

      All IMO.

      • I like talking with other people tighter…..but I also want to contribute tot he blog.

        Do you think I have achieved these to points?

    • Tighterfocus: in my opinion if you only spent 300 hours on your solution, it’s almost certainly wrong, or at best incomplete. Again in my opinion, that is not enough time to figure out the blaze.

  8. Found the blaze….past tense.
    I think it may take several trips to find a way to get from the blaze to the chest.
    Just my opinion.

    • That doesn’t sound precise to me… I mean what’s the point of following anything if we still need to figure out, on our own, how to get from blaze to the chest by making many trips to do so?

      • Then why use the past tense?
        Why not just say, “if you are wise and find the blaze. ….

        • Well, for one thing, I think the whole poem is past tense. The start of stanza two uses where instead of at… Which might imply where in a time period or even over time, other than the present time period.

          The other factor I consider is the comment… Could have written the poem before hiding the chest… Which also might refer to time in the past for the clues or how we might need to look at the clues referring to the past as well as the present and even into the future.

          • Interesting..
            I agree Seeker, but what happens if you arrive at the blaze and look quickly down, you’re actually looking down the edge of the canyon.
            Do we tarry scant down the edge or find another way around?

          • Eaglesabound,

            I think tarry scant and gaze are instructions, just like, look quickly down. Many searchers think fenn is telling them to hurry up and get out of there with the chest, but I don’t adhere to this thought. Why tells us to plan two trips [ retrieving the chest ] and able to walk several miles, if there’s a big hurry or worry?

            I think we need to see something unfold..linger.. a short time.. and at a specific place, and this would reveal the location of the chest.

            Look quickly down, seems to be an action specifically for tarry scant with marvel gaze… This imo, is the only present tense in the poem, because we have “found” the blaze [marker or pointer] to be use. But that doesn’t mean we can utilize it right then and there. [and might involve the planning aspect of the solve]

            This line of thinking falls to the comment that; in the year 3009 it will be harder to find the chest… the RM’s are still moving.
            So what would movement of the land cause something to knock out of wack at the location of the chest?

            In theory, some kinda alignment… shadow, beam of light, triangulation, line of sights or two objects to line up [ like a rifle barrel front and rear sights -which could be a single object with two points]

            Where we go from there is another thing… we could actually go up to the chest, but we need to look down at something first.

            I also think stanza 6 might tell us time of day to be at the blaze and where the blaze point’s to [ in general ] and we wait for the correct moment.
            I just don’t know if this occurs all the time or only certain times throughout the year. { but I do have a guess on that ].

            lol… now all I need to figure out is, that dang place to start.

          • Thanks Seeker, but that sure sounds like a billion to one that you would be in the right place at the right time of day, year, etc…
            It also seems contrary to Fenn’s most recent comment about the blaze.
            It sounds good though!! Lol
            IMO of course…

          • Eagleabound,
            Just thoughts…
            but is it not the same chance we all have in solving the poem?
            With some logic… I can come up with a month, time of day, and even an area of possibility to look for, and all in the general sense… No 2:42 type time.
            There needs to be an effort on the searchers part, that involves the planning part of the solve. That’s about as close as I can say without yelling the [possible] answer to the theory.

            It’s all about the certainty beforehand approach to analyzing a complete solution.

          • Factor in even a 2:1 ratio of the unknown into each possibility of your solutions and you wind up standing still looking puzzled. Move towards the Unknown, with BOTG and tread lightly, I think the treasures will be right there.

          • Oyyy, Seeker. I agree with everything you said. And yes, for me, the 6th stanza gives you a time. The last line.
            For me, it’s not from the blaze, but close by you need to have a 7′ “Y” shaped stick, standing upright, at that time and date. Sun’s elevation, shadow, thing.
            I’ll email you soon, have to share something found about that wheel idea.

        • eaglesabound, you are doing some good
          thinking. FF was EXTREMELY careful when
          perfecting his poem over 15 years. .

          You’re getting (kinda) warm, thinking about tense. It is very important. I don’t want to say too much here, but “wise” is a very important word. It’s on my list of candidate words, any of which may be the “word that
          is key”.

          My list contains about 5 words, all of which are very important to a correct solve.

          All IMO.

        • It’s important that FF has put it EXACTLY like
          he did. Please trust me on this. I know whereof
          I speak. But if I explain it in more detail at this
          time, it might put “competition” closer to a good
          solve, and I want to be the searcher who finds
          the TC before “the competition”. Good luck
          in your solving and searching. Please
          emphasize safety in the Rockies.

    • The blaze is pretty close to the chest (say, about 200 ft). One (longish) day of hiking, searching, and returning to one’s vehicle should be sufficient with a correct solve of
      the poem. It’s not a real short hike, and it’s kinda
      strenuous (thin air), on rocky (but not generally steep) ground. Expecting to take several BOTG search hikes is probably realistic. Better do it kinda soon, though,
      because I think the TC will be found in the summer of
      2017. Stay tuned for news of this, including a slow
      release of info about the solve, and the location of the

      All IMO.

        • That’s a good question. How bout we just focus on having fun at the Fennboree first 😛

        • I don’t know . . . but will post a report after
          returning from the search trip (which will be
          about 2 weeks long). It will include several
          activities — not solely the treasure hunt.

  9. I’m of the opinion that people put too much stock into finding ‘the blaze’. Seems like the purpose of the blaze is a little bit of subterfuge to distract from other more important things. So I believe that it’s simply the trail, or the combination of all the aforementioned clues.

    In other words, ‘If you’ve been wise and found the trail’.

  10. Peloquin, that was my question to all on here. Do most people believe that the blaze is an object and not a trail or something that marks a trail?

    • Carolyn, I find it hard to believe that the blaze would be a trail if there are no human trails within close proximity. An animal trail perhaps? What other type of trail could there be?

      I believe the trail is an object and it doesn’t necessarily have to be close to the TC but you must be able to see it from the TC.

      • I’m of the opinion human traits to be considered a trail of sorts, they are left behind and meant to be followed. How that helps my or anyone else’s solve is beyond me. Cheers

        • For me I think this way: If all human activity at the area halted today.In 100 years from now what would stand the test of time to identify that there had been a civilization there? I think by example of the Maya civilization- what remains intact to this day-many forms of blaze ideas? Just my method of thinking.

          • aMp,
            If this were the blaze, how do we locate the chest?
            One thought would be at the base, top of the object [cross] which I doubt many could make it to those points.
            at a specific point of view. But now the question is, where would that be? I have seen pics of this cross taken from many angles and locations… how do we figure that out? To have found the blaze and look quickly down, you quest to cease in a 10″sq plot of land.

            Just curious.

          • Personally, I’d start at an airport and go shopping for art or local attractions and see if that led to anything interesting. Then I’d grab a bite at the soup line and wait in line for a bunk because I’d of spent my last dime getting there and for me now it’s just to far too walk.

          • A correct solve of the poem hardly
            relies on civilization, except by virtue
            of the poem and a “good map”.


          • So tighter…..I take it you are not in my camp with “the edge of civilization” as a starting point, huh?


  11. For me there are a few variables of the blaze that drastically changes how the rest of the poem plays out.
    1.the size of the blaze(example: if the blaze is very small such as the size of a door or smaller than odds are your clues end there but if your blaze is the size of a mountain then there would be more clues after. far the blaze is once it is found.(example: if you come around a corner and the blaze is immediately in front of you or if the blaze can be seen from afar)

    • Hey Count, those same points on the variables have baffled me as well…the only thing I keep wondering is that whoever finds the chest may somehow decipher the hints and clues well enough to know what they are looking for before they get there. Perhaps the other clues hint as to what the blaze is as well?

      My kids and I often play the game “I’m thinking of an animal” in the car. The one guessing always starts broad and tends to narrow. Often a first guess is something like is it a mammal? Or is it as big as a regular house cat? Does it have fur? Does it live in the forest? I just wish someone could have asked Forrest a size question on the blaze….

      • There was a question about, could the blaze be moved… Don’t have the time to look it up… but you shouldn’t have too much trouble locating the Q&A.

      • Here is the comment Seeker is referencing…

        I had an enjoyably visit with Tom and his brother at the Downtown Subscription Coffee Shop in Santa Fe. They seemed like nice guys and avid treasure hunters. But there is confusion somewhere. While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there.

        I currently have 19 different comments from f taking about or referencing the blaze in my collection, so he has said a few things about it over the years.

      • I’ve been thinking for awhile now that the blaze is something old and all of the clues are either new or old, any comments about this?

  12. I think you will know the blaze when you get to it. Something distinguishable that you can’t miss and the word “weak” also meaning barely visible i think means the treasure is barely visible.

    • Mosby123. I agree, ” barely visible’, but somewhat visible . I think tired and weak is elevation symptoms lol. For me at least lol. IMO. I agree you will know the blaze when you see it, the poem walks to it like a map. IMO

    • You can’t “get to” the blaze, unless you are quite a
      mountaineer. The TC is below the blaze. All IMO.

    • Good possibility mosby. While the blaze is conspicuous the hiding place is probably not. To me “tarry scant” means that it could be in a small and dark place.

  13. I think that look quickly down means its not far from there but continue looking till you get to the end – terry scant with marvel gaze –

  14. Remember, Forrest said: “While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there.”

    • What isn’t even feasible to try to remove? Almost anything on Earth is at least feasible to remove. Perhaps the blaze is the sun. Forrest could confidently say it’s still there.

    • Hi Michael – I agree and believe this quote is factually stated.

    • A very heavenly gift for Mr. Fenn too witness!
      This will be a very Spiritual Birthday!

    • Charlie,

      The August 21, total solar eclipse of the Sun should be of certain interest to you as well. I’ve no doubt that The Flyer is already aware of the specifics and is……….intrigued… as we are. I concur with all that Martha has “shared about this significant event!

      Wyoming could well be significant. ( Several reasons ) I’m fairly certain that you will be in agreement)

      BTW…Were you able to link to the Eric Sloane reference I gave to his book about, and obvious interest of Camouflage? No doubt in my mind it will prove a major role.

      I hope you’ll be able to glean other valuable insights from the following architectural/landscape link as well. (The Flyer has ‘much’ in common with Capability Brown, IMO)

      Mr. Brown also created a unique place in the UK, (Adventure Animal Safari), geared towards his love of children.

      Additionally, I’m in appreciation for the keen knowledge you’ve provided regarding the importance of numbers!

      SL – A lifepath # 9

      • It would be a mistake to not associate Native Americans with their belief in ‘numbers.’ The number ‘4’ is sacred to them

        It’s more than a coincidence that Nature and the experience can be divided into ‘four’ parts.

        The following link should be able it explain better than I:

        • Hi SL — as far as I can tell, Native Americans don’t practice numerology in the way that I’ve been poo-pooing (the reduction of two-digit or greater integers into a single integer through repeated addition, which is mathematical silliness). It would not surprise me at all if they had favored integers, just as Christians have a fondness for 3’s and 7’s. (A bit amusing if Native Americans favor 4, given that the Chinese abhor that number because it is a homonym for the word “death”. Many neighborhoods in China are probably as devoid of addresses with 4’s in them as U.S. elevators are without 13’s.)

          But to get back to the subject of the blaze, we were pondering methods of extracting numbers from the poem and potentially converting those into either distances (e.g. paces) or perhaps coordinates. This is the whole reason that numerology even came up, and here’s why it’s a horrible system upon which to pass unambiguous information: it is not 1-to-1. Z ends up being the same as Q or H: they all reduce to 8. And zero cannot be encoded, which is perhaps the greatest flaw.

          The question searchers should be asking themselves is how can Forrest use the poem to navigate us to a very specific, but nondescript spot (let’s say within 15 feet) that random people would be extremely unlikely to go? Remember, Forrest thought of everything, so he’s not going to depend on non-permanent objects like trees.

          • Zap,

            I brought the number ‘4’ into the discussion due to the fact that from number 4… was derived the symbolic value of the number ’40.’

            In any event, I think it’s what The Flyer considers relevant.

            Your thoughts are appreciated.

  15. How about this? You’re hiking along a cliff edge/canyon edge/slope, see the blaze (quest to cease may be a hint about where you are; maybe at a cuesta). You look down immediately to see a lower observation point or area. You then tarry scant by walking down a short trail to this lower observation (marvel gaze) point. MG may be a description of the name of the point, or short trail. Just an idea. (I envision a Yellowstone Falls kind of thing, although of course the TC is not there.) Go in peace could be a hint about where, off that lower observation point, the TC actually is.

    I’m heading out for 3 weeks of BOTG on Weds. (spots in YNP, So MT, WY, and CO)–love the Rockies. If anyone needs me to check anything out for them, please let me know! We’re (my husband and I) making a bunch of stops, and if we’re going anywhere near where you want us to check, we’d be happy to.

    Although I don’t feel the chest is actually inside YNP (I just can’t wrap my head around him sending families, and people with no wilderness experience, to a place with so many grizzlies–I’ve “met” them before!!), it is a land of blazes.

    • Interesting sequence of events/thought, Lady V.
      Are you going to be looking near Gardiner, Mt?

    • Hi, Lady V!
      Please be especially careful on your search in the Rockies right now. With the recent heavy snowfall followed immediately by warmer temperatures, there’s currently a high risk of avalanche danger in a lot of places. Stay away from 30-45 degree slopes bare of trees. Good luck on your search trip!

      • Thank you! That is good to know, and hard to imagine where I am now! Hm. Will likely avoid intrepid extreme hunting locales…

    • I’ve seen one or two or several hundred-thousand of those before.

      The search for the blaze is not like finding a needle in a haystack; it’s like finding a needle in a needlestack. That’s why the poem needs to be followed in order, IMO.

      • Blex,
        I truly believe the blaze is in the poem in the same line.

        “I mean there’s people driving down the street looking for a blaze, because that’s one of the clues”

        I believe there are a couple of Q’s about the blaze being a word in the poem that he didn’t want to answer but did on MW’s.

        I will have to research & hop you will to.

        • Yeah, share the link if you can find it. That doesn’t sound familiar to me, but I’m catching up and learning new things about the Chase all the time. Will see what I can dig up too.

          • Has anyone seen or mentioned the blaze to you? ~Stephanie

            Thanks Stephanie for the questions. I have read them several times very carefully. They appear subtle on the surface but they aren’t. A yes or no to either question would give too much away, so I’ll pass. Sorry, and I’m aware that some searchers will pick me apart for this answer.f

            I’m sure Dal will kick my but for this but I think we should all know where when & who.
            We already know why.

          • When I was at Pikes Peak, Imogene, (and other places as well) they had those installed binocular things that kind of look like giant parking meters where you pay a quarter or whatever to look through…

            I could see them being somehow involved. Aka if you point it towards the sun look quickly down your quest will ceaas, but tarry scant with marvel gaze until its below the horizon and won’t burn your retinas out across and you could see the chest (?)

            Would be a weird mix of being able to predetermine as well as not. Certainly one could be aware of the binocular machine from home but would need to be BOTG to actually see through them. Not saying its the exact case just an example of how certain versions of a blaze may be difficult to explain and, like binoculars and the sun, could be relative.

    • Wow, Jake that’s exactly what I know….in my mind of course!
      What better place for a blaze, Mr. Fenn said Mrs. Fenn was his Rock and motar!
      Also, remember what he said about Millay’s, she was something else! Incredibly intelligent, talented, and she had to be responsible at the age of 4, her mother was something else also, but one thing is for sure you’ll never find an illerate Jew!
      Talk about DNA!

        • I concur. In “Too Far To Walk,” beginning on page 167, “lessons from bella abzug,” I sure would have loved to have seen that conversation in person.

          • Yeah that sounded like a funny conversation. I just read that chapter last night coincidentally.

          • Maybe the drinking of the wine and that particular conversation is what stopped him from partaking in “adult beverage” now? 🙂

    • Forrest has mentioned lightning several times as well as sliding down the fire escape to play hooky in grade school. I have kept in the back of my mind the image of a white streak of quartz or a rusty brown streak natural in some boulders.
      Along with a bunch of other possibles that I try to look for as well. But I still have to wonder if the blaze isn’t that easy to just walk up and see. Something adds another level of difficulty for the wise person.

      • It was like a mini lightning bolt that made a loud PSSSSTT sound.
        Most of the time he missed the fly and had to move the lightning over a little. There were so many flies it didn’t matter.

        His travels through the Madison’s with the horse lightning.

        He said he was going to give his secret lightning gun invention to the Army to use against enemy soldiers.

        I’m just waiting for the thunder.

  16. The blaze is a physical thing, it’s not theoretical.
    Blaze is something you can look at.

  17. Yes, the blaze is a physical thing and not likely to go away any time soon in my opinion.

  18. I think that wwwh is the key to the poem – from wwwh it tells you how to find hob – and that the end is ever drawing nigh – no paddle up your creek – it all so tells you about heavy loads and waters high it also tells you where the blaze is from there – but I think that we have to first – find wwwh I think that from there (wwwh) is the place that sends us where we have to go – its like the main train station that’s where you start your quest – this is just my opinion

    • its also my opinion that starting to read from no place for the meek and end at waters high tells you what is wwwh

      • I strongly disagree with this, frank. But I agree with
        your earlier posting.


  19. Good afternoon, at least it is here,

    I have a question I want to put to the community here at HOD about the blaze.
    Would you consider a black burnt area all the way around and up about five foot on about a 50 foot plus Ponderosa Pine (guessing) a ” blaze” according to the poem. Now before you answer and say a tree won’t last 1000 years down the road there are some that do last quite a long time and besides I personally think Forrest has wanted the chest found in his life time if not a least in his children’s or granchilden’s life time, so we know trees can last a least that much time.

    Now food for thought about the tree and the area:
    The tree is is big enough around the base that I can not put my arms around it and there’s still about 18″ between my finger tips. As I said the burnt part is only up around 5 foot all the way around on a 50′ plus tree.
    This is the only tree in the area that is burnt, other trees in the area that are the same size and smaller and bigger have no indication of a fire damage.
    In very close proximity there is a large boulder cluster that matches the gold nuggets with the frog in the TTOTC book.
    Now put “tarry scant” in the equation with the meanings like tarry – of or like tar (black), scant – means lacking a small part of whole, this would definitely discribe the burnt area on the tree.
    Now also think about when Forrest was asked what direction the “blaze” faced N, S, E or W and he said something the effect “it may not be any of those directions”, so now that burnt mark is all the way around the tree so of course it is not any of those directions but all if not more of them.n
    Also the Poem clues I found to match all the way to this point lead me to this particular area of search. So this was not just a random area of searching.

    Now back to my original question: Whould you consider this burnt mark around this tree a ” blaze”.

    The reason I ask is that my focus was on the “boulder cluster” (cluster can be seen in a close satellite view of the area) as the blaze, but came up empty for the chest. I did find in it’s niche ( big enough for a man to fit) and old rusted out cast iron frying pan, and part of a old style surveying rod along with bones of a wild animal in it. I took pictures of the area of search and of that tree but did not search around it. It has been a few years now since I have been there and I still wonder about this tree.
    So this is why I ask the question to all of you. Should I ever consider it could have been the “blaze”? Thanks in advance for your replies. Again I believe I found all the clue solves up to this point. Not sure if I’ll make it back out there, but this has definitely weighed heavy on my mind. Bur

    • Hello Bur. I’m not sure if trees would make a good blaze. Scrapbooks #148 and #182 might be good examples. I’d like to include, although Ponderosa pines may live a long time, there have been a lot of beetle kill over the years, which have affected many. The past couple weeks or so while visiting Rocky Mountain National Park, I’ve seen healthy pines uprooted by winds. I hope this will help you decide. This is an opinion, offered as a thought.

      • pdenver,
        Thanks for your opinion. I had originally thought that too. There is so much in this area that I might have missed something else. I feel confident in my poem solves. I have a conformation on something that helped me understand that this could be the right area but also doesn’t mean it’s this exact spot. I know after all the years since Forrest has hidden the chest the area can change with new growth, fallen trees, even dirt and debri being moved around by winds, rain and snow so it might make hard for any searcher to identify that” hidey spot”. Again thanks for your reply. Good luck. Bur

        • Hello Bur. If I may use SL’s great comment from yesterday, in part, ‘What’s more important is what “you” think.’ If you believe it to be true, who are we to say it is not.

        • (Second try.) I’d like to use SL’s great comment from yesterday, in part, ‘What’s more important is what “you” think.’ If you believe in it, who are we to say it is not. How would you feel if you didn’t go back and check?

    • Bur;

      I read a story not too long ago, that described a “Lone Fire Damaged Cedar” Your tree is a Pine, but , very similar. You gave us readers a much better description than was given in the story I read – Thanks for the details.

      It sure sounds like an interesting tree, to me. As you say, you seem to have supporting data to bring you to this area, so it surly COULD be a blaze, to my way of thinking anyway.

      I am intrigued by this line: ” I did find in it’s niche ( big enough for a man to fit) and old rusted out cast iron frying pan, and part of a old style surveying rod along with bones of a wild animal in it. I took pictures of the area of search and of that tree but did not search around it. It has been a few years now since I have been there and I still wonder about this tree.”

      I love finding these old things in my searches too, and am always on the lookout for them.

      I would have thought that your “boulder cluster” might have been your “Tarry Scant” instead of your blaze. Would it work if the tree is your blaze, for you to “look quickly down” at the “boulder cluster” and Tarry scant? You just might have something then. Who knows. I would give it another try Bur.

      But don’t listen to me, I only have two brain cells that work, and one of them mis-fires quite often. Thanks for the post Bur – hope this helps. JDA

    • Bur,
      If you want honesty, I’d say Nope.

      While you used some of fenn’s comment to help think about this particular “blaze” you then dismissed his thoughts of “down the road,” and other comments.
      The assumption that you ‘think’ he ‘wants’ it to be found in his life time doesn’t really stand up to the other many comments he has made over the years. { too many to list }

      The major problem with your burnt tree blaze is… a plant, tree etc. can’t be expected to last any real length of time, no matter how long the species has been known to last… tomorrow, Lightening could take the tree, a fire, insects, disease, even drought or high winds.. and depending on the terrain, mudslide etc. The variables are many against a tree being a blaze that could be gone in a blink of an eye. Look at what happen in fenn’s own backyard…

    • SL, JDA, Seeker

      Thanks for your replies. I will try and comment on some that you said. SL yes I have gone back and forth on this tree blaze with out a answer.
      JDA thanks for your opinion. I have been on this journey for some time. I do believe there is a word that is key and it is not in the poem. This word is one Forrest has stated in the TTOTC book and have seen it has influenced parts of his life. I have consider this word in all search solves I have had. The poem has been tricky to understand but in my last solve it all came together, but the the true understanding of the blaze. I am convinced now that the blaze cannot be found until you are in the correct search area and really have time to spend there searching all avenues there. Beside that boulder cluster was a tree that had 3 blaze marks cut into it. They were not new ones and could tell they have been there for some time. The burnt tree was between two big boulders, in fact I believe that the one on the upper side was actually stopped by the tree when it broke loose from a much higher formation nearing the top of the mountain. There are many pieces of broken rock and boulders scattered in this area. But the base of this burnt tree is now protected from any new debris by that boulder that is maybe 10 foot in height. There is that disappearing creek right there too.
      Seeker your thoughts were my thoughts when I first seen it this is why I did not search around it not to mention my time was short so I concentrate on the boulder cluster. Now as I try and rehash everything this burnt tree comes into play. What really stand the sands of time especially since the earths crust is constantly moving. This is why I want opinions on my second thoughts, and again thanks for yours.

      • Bur,
        I’m only trying to think logical for something fenn would ‘use’.. as a blaze.
        *I could have written the poem before I hid the treasure chest….

        Imo, this comment might be saying he could have written the poem at almost any time period in his life. Even though the tree might have been there that long… the question is… If he could have written the clues out years in the past was that tree burnt at that time? {just analyzing possibilities logically}
        Not knowing when this occurred leave a big opening for speculation, and speculation with out fact backing, is a rabbit hole.

        But out of curiously, how did you get from stanza 3 to this tree?
        I mean, the last thing mention in stanza 3 is heavy loads and water high, right? What caught your attention to the tree from that point in the poem…

        contiguous; sharing a common border; touching.
        “the 48 contiguous states”
        synonyms: adjacent, neighboring, adjoining, bordering, next-door; More
        abutting, connecting, touching, in contact, proximate sequence.

        The blaze should be within a proximity of the last, or all clues… in my mind. { distance is not in question } as long as things “fit” together by the meaning of the contiguous

        I also wonder, do you consider the blaze a clue, and if so, would that clue not be in the poem for interpretation? If Tarry is meant as tar… is soot, burnt wood, tar?

        Tar; a dark, thick, flammable liquid distilled from wood or coal, consisting of a mixture of hydrocarbons, resins, alcohols, and other compounds.

        I’m not seeing soot or burnt wood or remnant of ~ as tar, matching the description of Tar…

        If any of my thoughts help… great. If not? Well, I tried.

        • Seeker,

          My heavy loads and water high are about the 200 ft range to where the boulder cluster and burnt tree is located. My no paddle up your creek “creek” runs right in the middle of heavy loads and water high but it disappears just past them and a animal trail goes along where the creek was at some point. The creek goes under ground, must have washed out the sand around the rocks, stones way back and pops up higher in elavation and at lower elevation then where that burnt tree is. Bur

        • I seriously doubt that it is anything as temporary as a tree. Based on comments it sounds like it has been there for a long time and will be there for a very long time from now barring structural changes to the earth over time.

          • Arron,
            This has been my way of thinking too. That burnt solo tree bottom just stuck out in this area and my afterthought of searching it kind of fell in the category of the blaze as “anything that stands out”. Thanks for the reply. Good luck in your search. Bur

      • Thanks Bur for your response. Sure sounds like an interesting place to search. Good luck to you if you ever return to this spot. Please remember – TRY to STAY SAFE!!! JDA

      • Bur,…. I would say no to the burnt tree as being the blaze and for two main reasons:
        1. Anything burnt or burnt out cannot be a blaze, it is the aftermath of a blaze. Therefore, cannot be a blaze itself.
        2. It’s a tree and trees can be removed easily. Forrest has said, (paraphrasing here) The blaze could be removed but it wasn’t feasible to do so. Now is it feasible to remove a tree? Of course it is. It can be feasible for many reasons which I won’t mention here. Oh, and as many have commented here it doesn’t stand the test of time.

        If I remember right didn’t Forrest say that each clue was a geographical location? So look at your solution and see if that’s the case. If not then you are on the wrong track. But, I do think you are right about the hidey spot being covered by rocks or something to that nature and not buried.
        Good luck to you.

        • Bur,….Oh, I forgot to say that if you find anything at a possible treasure site such as what you found then you are at the wrong spot. I don’t think that Forrest would leave anything like that there. Remember it’s special to him and would not litter it up.IMO.

          • ManOwar,
            Thanks for your reply. I don’t think the items I found in the boulder niche was from Forrest. I believe that it might have been from someone surveying that area back in the early 1900’s. There’s some thing close by that was put in that area back then. Good luck in your search.

    • Bur. You have interesting ideas. I have entertained the idea of carbon remnants for a blaze in my list of ideas . Though I no longer entertain the idea, it is still possible of course . My suggestion is to just not limit one idea for a blaze in and around your search area. Perhaps just keep an eye out for other potential blazes of other kinds there. Bio carbon is tricky in a time line scenario for me. Such as,do I know exactly when that tree was exposed to a fire. I don’t know how to carbon date something before or after chest placement or of the poem . Just my way of thinking about fire as a blaze. It is possible but just least likely in my mind . I would never scratch off any idea; I just scale it as least likely. IMO.

      • Alsetenash,
        The burnt part of the tree seemed to be thick charcoal and also the size of the base makes me think it will be there awhile. It did not appear to be a fresh burn and had hardly any smell to it. As I said there seem to be three possibilities for the blaze just in a 50 foot area. There is a juniper tree within ten foot of it and plenty of sagebrush around the tree line. Big horn sheep past through this wet and dry creek bed there, and if you listen you can hear the train whistle as it passes along side the river down the canyon. There are other factors that help confirm my solve in this area but they would be much to helpful of hints to keep it untraveled by others. And I solve the poem clues before finding all the confirmation hints in case your wondering. Good luck and thanks for your reply. Bur

        • My concern is also that maybe there is a pile of rocks like the girl left at San Larenzo when she buried the ugly pot of her boyfriend. Which this statement of Forrest came out after my search. Bur

          • Bur. I lean towards hidden by or under rocks also. Covered, not buried. Time would allow for vegetation growth within and around the rocks also IMO.

        • Thanks Bur. I see you postulate many ideas and meanings wich is best practice in my opinion-less rigidity the better!

          Yes, one can only say so much on here to not give directions to ones spot lol. For me , I agree that, in ones mind, we would have to have had the other clues bring us to our location of our blaze before finding it . I had an image in my mind of what it might look like. When I arrived close to my spot; I actually saw almost the same image. Darn snow is all I can say!

    • “black burnt area all the way around and up about five foot on about a 50 foot plus Ponderosa Pine”

      Doesn’t seem like an area to die for.
      Sorry, don’t see it happening.

    • Bur, many folks are mentioning 1000 years as the time span
      that the poem’s clues should endure. But I remember also
      seeing a mention, by FF, of 10,000 years. Does this, to you, make any difference, when you consider the tree’s durability? All IMO.

  20. here is something to think about – to me put in below hob – means north of hob- so look quickly down to me means – keep looking north but not far- look quickly means not far – down would be north – cause the blaze is still below hob which is north – so keep going north but not far from the plaze where the treasure is imo

  21. Bur,

    What’s more important is what ‘you’ think. The way you describe it and after all the time that has passed?

  22. I believe that the Blaze is in the shape of an arrow pointing towards the location of the chest. Perhaps a valley in the side of a mountain. That would stand the test of time. I have found such a Blaze in Montana, working on it now.

    • Mr. Fenn,
      Which direction does the Blaze face? North, South, East or West? Curious. Foxy
      I didn’t take a radial off of the blaze Foxy. I’m thinking it may not be any of those directions. f

      John R,
      Even if we bend the directions a bit, and say the blaze points NE or SW does this make the answer true?.. Radial means basically lines from a center point out. Would that not cover NE, or SW and all other points as well?
      Serious question… Because I have tried every angle of thought on this Q&A. But if the radial or radii can cover all directions.. is fenn saying “not any of those directions” in the question? or in a radial ~ or simply saying… no directional pointer needed from the blaze?

      Just curious how you take that Q&A, because you have your theory the blaze point in a direction to travel.

      • Thanks Seeker for the Q&A. I never had seen that one. My first thought of FF’s answer could mean a Globe form? Facing all directions all the same? Interesting answer by him.

        • The man does make you think…
          Example; If you don’t know where your going all trails will lead you there [ or something like that ]

          Is this sarcasm or truth?
          Lets say the Chest is located somewhere on the CD… can a trail be a waterway or drainage from the CD? and all ‘waters’ trail’s lead you there?

          Fenn’s straightforwards is very tricky to interpret… Imo ‘simple’ [KiSS] won’t understand the poem. I’m leaning toward clever in truth. Not unlike; a map is a map, the more detailed a map the better… what are those details???
          Or GE “and/or” a good map. GE is nothing more than a satellite image or overhead picture, right?
          what details are on a picture “and/or” satellite image?
          Oh, sorry. I’m rambling and rumbling in thoughts again… Yep! I agree. An interesting answer.

          • Ya, endless ideas never drawing nigh lol. I thought also after, it could mean either a globe or pyramid shape as to not be facing true any specific direction. If not this scenario; perhaps it was evasive in answer in order to not give a direction. If he did say a directional facing, it would be too much of a hint from where to approach the poem from ? There is NSWE and as a pilot add up and down. His answer could have given an 84.3% certainty. IMO. Smart to evade specifics on the question. IMO.

          • I believe that the blaze isn’t actually facing in any direction. If it was he would know it and would not have sidestepped the question. Sometimes his lack of an answer is better than an actual answer IMO.

        • Another interesting take on it may be that…when you follow the clues to the blaze… you walk right onto it, and it is facing up to the sky, flat on the ground…
          Then there are multiple scenarios from there that may work.

          • Ken, you’d have to be something like an
            experienced rock climber to walk onto
            the blaze. I don’t think FF wants anybody
            to try this. IMO.

      • I think f enjoys these types of questions. The blaze must be facing someway. Whether it’s pointing, or just sitting there, it faces up,down,left,right, etc…etc…Like Seeker says, a radial. So, his answer makes someone think, since not N,S,E,W, must be up,down, etc… In Forrest fashion, take it for what’s in the question. Must be either nw, sw, ne, se, any way you could think, just not N,S,E,W.
        The part I would be more centered around is the “deceptive” part. How is the blaze deceptive? SL said yesterday something about camouflage. That’s a possible idea. Maybe marvell gaze is one thing and the blaze another. Whatever it is, it’s obvious you see a “marvell gaze”. Maybe you can’t see a blaze by just looking in this area. An arrow pointing somewhere isn’t very deceptive, unless it’s (for lack of a better word) camouflaged.
        All we know is that the blaze is deceptive and doesn’t point N, S, E, or W. If you asked me, it’s something in the landscape. Radiism, radiation, symmetry, take your pick.

      • Seeker. I think you will find that the Blaze is an arrow that points down from the mountain showing the location of the chest. So no direction, just down. You wont miss the Blaze, it is about 500 feet tall!

        • John,
          Is that a typo..500 feet tall? That’s 1/2 the length of the Empire State building.

          Grant you I’m not familiar with many features in the RMs… But an arrow that large I would like to see.

          • Hi Seeker. It is formed by the valley of a mountain. It is a natural formation that happens to look like an arrowhead, similar to the one Mr Fenn owns. Depending on what time of day you look at it, and the angle of light, it is quite spectacular.
            It will generally stand the test of time, but may disappear in the event of an earthquake.

        • John, I don’t think your Blaze is the same one
          that FF wrote about in his poem. But don’t
          believe me just because I have an opinion.

          By the way, how many hours did you spend
          on your solve? Was it hundreds?
          Did you show the poem to any children?

          Did you look up at least ten words that are
          in the poem?

          Please don’t underestimate Forrest and the 15 years he spent polishing the poem. Most people have no idea who they’re dealing with
          (in Fenn).

          But at the same time, Fenn has no idea who HE’S dealing with (in at least one searcher).

          All IMO. Good luck to you.

          • tighterfocus: “Fenn has no idea who HE’S dealing with (in at least one searcher).”

            I think that searcher is you.
            I have been following you for a while & you are right on.

          • Hi TF.
            I have spent hundreds of hours on my solve, but have not shown the poem to any children.
            Funny that you mention the 15 years that Mr Fenn spent on the poem. The Roman equivalent is XV. X marks the spot, V is the arrow or Blaze pointing to the spot.
            Kind of like Mr Fenn talking about his brother Skippy turning Alpha in the book. Turn the letter A upside down and see what you get.
            All in MHO. Good luck to you too.

      • What if the blaze is overhead – broadly spoken? By that, I mean, could the blaze be a star in the evening sky? Would he make us searchers be out in the woods at night (in the cold) to get a reference direction to go pick up Indulgence in the morning? Maybe the flashlight and sandwich comment was not so far out of line.

        • Not unless it’s Polaris. The other stars are all in motion all night, every night. And the ones that are up while it’s dark out change from season to season.


        • swwot: “could the blaze be a star in the evening sky?”

          If the blaze is a star in the evening sky, I will eat my hat & anyone’s for that matter.

          Your rocket seems to be going in the wrong direction.

          • If I remember correctly, there was a scrapbook or a comment made about the blaze winking at Diggin gypsy. What it the sun, or was it the tree(s)? This is an opinion, offered as a thought.

          • pdenver,
            I don’t recall the winking blaze @ Diggin.
            Please refresh my memory.

            Never mind thanks to Blex.
            “When the Gypsy finally reached her isolated search spot near the north side of Hebgen Lake, she said, “Nothing was watching but me and the wind. I sensed the treasure was right there – and all of the clues fit perfectly. The blaze was winking at me and grinning, and I was grinning back.”

          • Good point Alsetenash.
            Clouds can ruin any solve on any day or night for that matter.
            I’m gonna grab a cold one right now & will be worth it.

          • Well, true in some cases I suppose,but a cloudy day doesn’t effect my solve in any way-only snow.

          • Jake – more brainstorming or talking out load what I’m thinking outside the box. Actually, the rocket as my “handle” went to the moon and back – definitely aimed in the right direction. 🙂

            But I still wonder about the blaze and what it really could be. I wonder if I’ll know it when I see it, but not know of it or be able to guess it before hand?

          • My opinion on that probably doesn’t mean much swwot.

            I will say your dads remembrance is more important & you wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for him & should be respected as much.

            I think the blaze is in the poem.
            A old wise man told me so.

            Why didn’t F answer those Q’s about the blaze being predetermined for lack of better wording.

            I think it’s in the poem as a word & it’s not “the blaze”.

          • Hmm, that’s an interesting thought Jake. I was definitely thinking along the lines that the blaze was a physical occurrence existing “out there” in the woods – not a word or words in the poem itself. I’ll have to consider that some more. Great, now I’m even more lost. 🙂

            And yes, I appreciate your thoughts concerning my dad and his service for our country.

  23. The word “wise” has been bugging me for a while and I would like input from others if you all don’t mind.
    I have been thinking about the poem using alternative meanings of words – especially if they are geographic or directional in nature. For example – nigh meaning left and draw meaning a pass (mountain pass). I also believe that homophones are used as well. So, I am trying to identify various geographic meanings for the word wise.
    In addition to meaning smart, I’m thinking that wise could be Ys. This could mean more than 1 fork in the creek. Once you get to the second one, or go a little past the second Y, turn around so that you have been there (been wise) and now facing the correct direction in order to see the blaze.
    Does anyone have any other ideas about alternative meanings to the word wise?
    I’m trying to read this part of the poem as very specific directions so that a person can walk confidently to the right spot to see the blaze. Thanks in advance for any input.

    • JBL,
      I think your thinking is heading in a good direction… Wise; Become alert to or aware of something… and not so much, how intelligent someone is. At this junction, wise might be more about surroundings {tight focus come to mind}.
      But you used the word “Draw” as pass [mountain pass]. Was this a typo for “drawing”? Which in geographical terms can mean drainage.
      Or draw as in geographical terms which kinda matches a passage… a lower level area in the terrain with parallel sides… which some call a hollow and others call a ravine, and could be a drainage area for seasonal run off.

      I do like your Turn Around… to see where you’ve been.
      I don’t know if that helped, but I like your thoughts.

    • JBL;

      I like your thinking. Not in geographical terms, but to me “Wise” has always meant “Wise like an owl.” But how is an owl wise, as relates to the poem? To me, an owl always seeks the highest perch possible from which to survey its potential prey. Could Forrest be telling us to seek a high perch, from which we can look DOWN on the blaze? Works for me. JDA

      • JDA,

        I will agree about being high to look down. If you sit on top of my boulder cluster you can see all around you. The water high is viewable, the valley area down, the slopes on both sides of the creek, also where the heavy loads comes from, and even to where the river is located down about a half mile away. Yes I even heard the train whistle as it passed by early morning on top of these boulders. I could image Forrest sitting here for hours looking at the beauty and wild animal that inhabit this area. The quietness in this area was fantastic you could hear small birds and rodents rustling in the sagebrush around you. If Forrest picked this spot I could understand why. Bur

        • What an idyllic spot Bur. I hope to view such a spot in my lifetime. I have seen many panoramic vista’s in my life-time, but what you describe seems to be “Very Special”. If it is Forrest’s “Special Spot”, I am glad that you were able to view it. Again, good luck in your search. Forrest has given us the “map” All we have to do is follow the “markers” that he has pointed out to us. JDA

      • Thanks all,
        Seeker, yes, I’m thinking draw as a lower level area in the terrain with parallel sides which would also be for drainage as in a creek.

        JDA, I like that idea of a high perch. I think Forrest would like that as a view as well. I’ll add that to my list of wise meanings. Thanks!

      • JDA,
        It’s getting close to another bet you have & I’m not talking about ours.
        I still see lots of snow in your area.
        When are you heading out again?

        • Well Jake, Wyoming is a big state with lots of climatic conditions. I knowof several places around 5,000′ – still lots of snow. I also know of a place or two where if on the south facing sides of slopes, there is little to no snow at 10,,000′ Where is “MY” spot – somewhere between the two. When will I go? When Mother Nature tells me I can – how about you? JDA

          • I’m glad your letting Mother Nature guide you.
            Most of us know just because there is no snow around are areas the runoff is enough to be a turnoff.

            Hiking in slippery mud & crossing streams & creeks can be tricky.

            I’ve got a trip planned for the 15th of July.

          • Best of luck to Ya’

            As far as I know, I only have one bet out there, and there is no time limit on it. What do you know that I do not? JDA

          • I know JDA,
            I have the same one & only bet.
            Our 2K bet is nullified & I wouldn’t hold you to it anyway.
            Good luck in your quest.

      • JDA, the use of the word “wise” in the poem does not
        relate to any owls, IMO. You are probably old enough
        to be a little flexible regarding this, but I don’t want to
        give you too much info right now, because the hunt
        for the TC involves too much financial value.

        Good luck. All my opinion. Please don’t be angry
        with me.

    • JBL, I’ve had a lot of similar thoughts to yours about the word “wise”, trying to see if there is some sort of double entendre there that I am missing. I thought about Y’s as in a creek or trail junction, and I’ve also wondered if it was some sort of subtle reference to Wyoming’s state abbeviation (“WY’s”). Owls are wise and so are sages (sagebrush?). The 3 wise men in the Nativity. Wiseguys. Wisenhiemers. Wise brand potato chips (do they still make those?). The knight who makes the quote “You have chosen wisely” when Indiana Jones drinks from the true Grail. Etc., etc.

      Ultimately though for me, I simply settled on taking this word at its face value in the poem. It makes sense to me that a decent amount of wisdom would be required to find the blaze.

      I like to avoid rabbit holes if I can; they make me claustrophobic! 😉

      • Thx Blex,
        I have always thought that the line “So why is it that I must go…” refers to WY. I am thinking that it may also refer to Y as well. Whatever Y means. (Hint in the book – yoyo). The one time I went on a search, I veered off from the creek and went to the blaze. I’m thinking I shouldn’t have left the creek and should have looked for the blaze from afar. (The scrapbook with the binoculars, and the comment to the effect of “save your best smile” – when you smile, you squint.). If I happen to be right with other clues, but miss the meaning of the word wise, that would be very frustrating. That would mean that “I chose poorly.”

        • Food for thought….

          My grandfather, was approximately the same age as Forrest’s father, Marvin Fenn. He liked puzzles and riddles. Here was one of his favorites:


          Too wise you are.
          Too wise you be.
          I see you are,
          too wise for me.

          • I like it. “Hear me all” to me says to listen to the sounds of the words and think differently about them. Is that the riddle to which F refers?

      • Blex, wisdom isn’t required in order to correctly solve the poem. But ability to think and use some imagination
        is. FF’s use of the word “wise” in the poem is very
        important, however. All IMO.

    • What if the Y is 200 feet from the blaze and people went to the blaze but skipped the wise or Ys. They walked past the chest perhaps. I think wise must be critical to understand and it is overlooked by most. Is that the important “what if”? Sorry, I’m just rambling now. I’ll stop.

      • JBL, think Indiana Jones. The staff of Ra in the map room. Then, think of Skippy. If you “skip” p, that leaves you with “Y”.
        Knowlege= know “lege”, which is short for legend. (which f thought of skippy).
        Split “legend” to get leg end, which is “foot”.
        “Y” = 7. So, “Y” is 7′ tall. Like Skippy standing up, you put this “Y” which is 7′ tall somewhere. The sun hits that “Y” staff and produces a shadow. All you need now is the sun’s elevation and you could figure the shadow length.
        If you do figure out where to put this “Y” staff, DIG, 3′ would probably be deep enough. 🙂 Not the chest but possibly one of his beautiful works of art he is so skilled at. (that’s a joke..)

        • I’m glad that’s a joke, because I’m not digging anywhere. Why did you say Y=7? Was that part of the joke as well? I hope there’s no snakes there, because I hate snakes.

          • The chest is between 5000 and 10200 feet as was said. Not much snakes at 5000 feet and only a couple of species rarely even at 7000 feet. Apparently non at 9000 feet and higher. Just from what I researched because I am not much wanting to run into any snakes either.

          • Thanks, Alsetenash! I just researched my area and I should be good. I do hate snakes – just like Indiana Jones.

          • Alsetenash
            I saw two snakes in my search area which is at about 7800 feet.

          • Randawg. There are a couple or a few kinds of snakes at that elevation depending on which state in the USA. NM has a few and even the odd rattler at that elevation but very rare from what I could research. Even in some states above 9000 elevation there is some rare sightings. Lots of different info out there so I am not surprised you saw some. There are habitat statistics and also different eyewitness sightings. I just don’t like snakes.

          • Well, Charlie, if you feel it’s working for you, who am I to dissuade you? I would just say that a common mistake that people make is in over-estimating the odds against some “feature” appearing randomly in the poem.

            There are an almost incalculable number of ways to parse the letters of a 166-word poem. The more degrees of freedom you allow yourself, the greater the variety of solutions you can create, many of which will almost unavoidably match interesting places. How well you can get clues to line up with a favored spot is really only limited by how imaginative you are with constructing techniques for “reading” the poem. Very similar to the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.

          • I agree Zap, I never said I liked the solution, just the results. In evaluating, I’m hardest on myself, no delusions of grandeur. But you gotta admit, it would just be like f to give us a poem with 9 clues that you cannot solve all the clues from. His reason for saying it is the backbone of the whole chase. He knew what would happen if he said there are 9 clues. I guess I would be laughing too. Does anybody actually know what the blaze looks like? Marvel gaze yes, but to know the blaze is tricky. Need boots on the ground and a decent camara, IMO. Just like BOTG for the 3rd clue. Poor little Indi.
            I will say this though, the poem will give you confidence that you know what lines the clues are in. And if they are correct, and, you can still solve some of the clues, that’s obvious. I think everyone should just stop trying to solve for clues and just solve the poem. If you don’t think there are numbers then one thing. Why does he give us the amount of coins in the chest? Why count them? Gold nuggets, hundreds, jewels many, but how many turquoise beads on his bracelet? How many coins? Saying hundreds would get his point across. Think about it…..

          • Hi Charlie — just to be clear, I’ve never said there aren’t numbers to be found in the poem or that numbers aren’t involved in the solution. TTOTC is chock full of numbers, a few in particular that I believe are extremely helpful. It’s just that I think your method for extracting numbers from the poem is overly complex, that’s all.

          • Got it Zap, lol, I think I’m incapable of complex thought. I can’t believe for the past 2 days I’ve agreed with most of what Zap is saying. Hopefully I’m playing up to the competition and he’s not playing down to it…
            Actually, I have such a good blaze. A little too good. Always that chance someone is joking around, but man…sooo good

        • Hi JBL: I suspect Charlie’s Y=7 is numerology-based: Y is the 25th letter of the alphabet, and so silly numerologists will reduce this to 2+5 = 7. I don’t get the feeling Charlie was being serious with his post. In any case, numerology like astrology is a bunch of hooey, and I can’t see Forrest giving it any credence.

          • Then zap….IMO – you don’t know FF very well.

            First off….his affinity with the Native Americans is way beyond that of “hooey”. He has a spiritual connection to them, whether you think so or not.

            Shoot…he bought a pueblo. How close do you want to be to them, if you didn’t do something like that?

            Do you know anything about the SW Native American cultures? The Anasazi? The Hopi? The Navajo? Any others? Their history, culture, textules, art, mythology, spiritual life, or communities?

            You underestimate the difficulty and layers within the poem.

            Good luck to you.

          • Thanks, Zap. I thought Charlie was joking about the number 7, but wanted to make sure. To me, this is a word puzzle/riddle, not a numbers puzzle.

          • Tim: what in the world are you talking about?? I said numerology is basically crap. Are you trying to say the Hopi, Navajo and other Native Americans are numerologists? If so, you’re insane and U will never address you again.

          • Hi zap….you had wrote….

            ” In any case, numerology like astrology is a bunch of hooey”
            – I was furthering your point to say it was not, because IMO – FF uses spirituality as a level of thinking within his poem.

            You seem to think any esoteric or “paranormal” search tool is “hooey”.

            I disagree. That was all.

            You have every right to think it is….I’m just saying that it isn’t…..and one should not underestimate FF with his use within the poem.

            He even stated that one should be thinking like an “omniscient sage”.

            How metaphysical or spiritual is this? Very.

            Numerology, although I don’t subscribe to this method, it is still a category within the esoteric and metaphysical levels of thought.

            Goo luck to you.

          • Zap….

            “If so, you’re insane and U will never address you again.”

            Don’t respond to me ever again… would be best, especially if this is how you think I am.

            While you are at it….skip over my posts too…..the information doesn’t seem to be of help to you.

            Besides that, I didn’t come to this blog to see the drama you seem to be leaning towards.

            Thanks and good luck to you.

          • there has to be a number system somewhere in the poem. Either counting paces, signs, trees, whatever, if you think there are no numbers, you need to re-evaluate your solve. If people tell him where they have been, and he says people have been within a certain distance, why would he give us that distance? Why would he know? Commenting on coordinates, saying people have been within certain distances, the fact that there are 9 clues, lol, no numbers huh? How many coins in the chest? Why not just say hundreds, like the gold nuggets? He says a number for a reason.
            If you don’t have some sort of number system, you’re wasting your time.

          • Hi Charlie,

            “There has to be a number system somewhere in the poem. Either counting paces, signs, trees, whatever, if you think there are no numbers, you need to re-evaluate your solve.”

            It is possible for Forrest to navigate us to a very specific location without the use of numbers, paces or coordinates, but it is much harder to do so for an *arbitrary* location without the use of numbers or counting in some fashion. That said, if Forrest used numerology in any way, shape or form, I’ll eat Jake’s nasty hat.

          • Tim — I consider it my sacred duty to counter ignorance and superstition whenever it rears its ugly head — especially if taints mathematics or astronomy as numerology and astrology do, respectively.

            “I was furthering your point to say it was not, because IMO – FF uses spirituality as a level of thinking within his poem.”

            Numerology has to do with mysticism, not spirituality.

            “You seem to think any esoteric or “paranormal” search tool is “hooey”.”

            Yes, I absolutely do.

            “I disagree. That was all.
            You have every right to think it is….I’m just saying that it isn’t…”

            If you want to believe in the occult, or numerology, or divining rods, or Big Foot, or telekinesis, or even angels, that is your right. But don’t try to conflate what *you* believe with what Forrest believes. If you truly believe Forrest encorporated numerology or metaphysics into his poem, you’re going to be searching for that bronze chest for a very long time.

          • Actually……I won’t be.

            …and IMO – it will be this line of thinking that will allow me to pick up the TC.

            Good luck to you.

          • Charlie,
            Personally I find it hilarious that some who use codes type methods {and some of those method count on letters of words}, or star tracking systems, or religion aspects and beliefs or rely one a fishing manual or any other method in the attempt to solve the poem, turn around a criticize another for use a number system, or counting system or mathematics or any other kind of method that doesn’t match their brilliant BS…

            So, just for the fun of it… Lets play with the poem itself, if you don’t mind.

            4 line in each stanza… not abnormal for a poem. 6 stanzas… again, not unusual. 9 sentences… nothing weird yet.
            25 lines… ok still seem reasonable.

            Then we’re told the poem contains 9 clues.

            Readers now see 9 sentences, then as we read, we see 9 lines that seem like clues, and the debate of what clues might be where begins…

            So it very funny to me that those who are so dead against to the possibility that numbers couldn’t be in the poem, adhere to either 9 lines or 9 sentences just because we are told of 9 clues. I find that a bit hypocritical.

            Fenn used the word; “architect” to describe how the poem was thought out. So imo, structure / design of the poem.. word count.. line count.. stanza count etc. etc. has a very good possibility for “all the information” to be in the poem.

            Is what I say true? Who knows… but if we take fenn’s comments as helpful… the possibility is very likely. You and I have chatted about numbers in the past… we may disagree on some aspect of how to go about it… But like you, there seems to be something in the design of the poem that might help.

            Otherwise, the idea of stanza 1 5 6 could be nothing more than filler stanzas… almost 1/2 the poem… to have little or no use would be a waste of time. That thought is a hard sell in my book.

            {in part}
            “…There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues….”

            While this Q&A doesn’t mention numbers or counting… it does say imo, the entire poem is a must.

            I personally would like to chat about the possibilities of how math or counts or design of the poem could help, if others want to as well.

          • Seeker , will add into this some thoughts. Numbers are inherent with words and language. Numbers are the common root base of all things matter and form. Numbers , therefore, can be synthesized from in every word or letter- every letter has a numeric value and so forth in a word. I think (IMO) that this is in relation to what FF said when he ” I felt like an architect, drawing that poem”. The poem is very symmetrical and numbers have a play in it. There are 24 lines in the poem; 24 is a symmetrical number.
            It don’t really think that working numbers in the poem would aid me in any way to understanding the poem though. Numbers are the same number for the word not adding any other insight to the meanings of words, working the numbers. There always will be a pattern of numbers seen because everything has a pattern-words, numbers and any forms.

            From ‘ Begin it’ to ending at ‘ Blaze’ is 9 lines. Does that mean something outside this simple fact? It means something for sure, but what? I can work with words in the poem or I can work with numbers or both. I just think that FF wrote the poem with words of visual description creating a map without the use of numbers to create words. I think he crated it to be symmetrical (architect) with/in numbers as a guide to symmetry but not by using numbers to create words in his map. IMO.

          • Let’s take the thought of geography and see what could be a possibility…

            Each line in a stanza has a word count, Example;
            stanza 5 has;
            first line 8
            second line 8
            third line 5
            fourth line 8.
            8858. right?

            Many believe the solve is around the Gallitan and Madison counties.
            This part of the poem stated “leave my trove for all to seek”
            There’s lines in the poem that state HLAWH, and no place for the meek and others.
            So many might think water is near the location of the chest, and meek can mean sheepish. So just to explain how the poem could be understood with geographical places, words multiple meanings and usages, and numbers within the poem as locations…
            Sheep lake that Splits the boundary ~{ “end” is ever drawing nigh} Madison and Gallitan counties is at 8858 in elevation.

            The area has Sheep Mountain, and coffin mountain ~ { in the wood} with the passage between the two. Sheep creek is a drain off of the lake {Drawing means pulling, drainage}

            This might be how the poem works with geography in mind.

            I could go on with number relationship to words in the poem and words interpretations… but I think you might get my thought process.

            What I see with most solves,.. involving counts or numbers… it seems to be the primary or only way of seeing clues.

            I think the poem’s entirety needs to flow with each part from, words, to lines, to stanzas, and numbers.

            There are some anomalies that are interesting as well… The word count, including spaces, from the letter A in AS to the letter T in TREASURE is 42. Does that mean anything? Who knows { pacing?}, but it is interesting when we consider fenn change this poem over and over again for some 15 years.

          • In my opinion, there will always be an ability to relate one thing to another in this poem by deduction . One can purpose relationships to numbers , words and lines all the day long day. There is some merit to this line of thought , but only to a point because this thinking is in support of the poems larger picture frame. What I mean is; I don’t think numbers were used to create the words, sentences or lines. The numbers are a result of words not the other way around IMO.

            What is HLAWH? I have seen this acronym before but I don’t know it.

            I have a poem solution or a solve as it is called. I never applied number sequences or their familiarity patterns to mine. , of course my thinking and process is no better than anyone else currently. My career has been heavy in the use of mathematics, patterns, science, investigations ect. I work with numbers endlessly. I just don’t see it as a mastery of the poem. I could be wrong and be missing an important key. But as you have said before something like this; people see to fit what they think is correct and see it repeatedly in support of their thinking. There is numbers involved of course but it is really only subsidiary to the poem in my opinion.

            Of numbers 1 through 9, there is an 11.1% chance of any number being present. On a scrolling combination dial of 4 slots say, you have a high chance of any number sequence. Applying that to letters forming words of a description of something ; your odds are even greater for sequence. Because the words have already been determined and limited by being chosen. It was not a numbers sequence that chose the words-the numbers are subsidiary. The poem is a word map!

            I can see how people can see this in contrary to what I think. We all have a different lens of method. It makes this chase very interesting! All just my opinion.

          • Using the word I believe is key makes the poem a word map and it is just a matter of fitting the features to it. It would not surprise me if the correct solve or something to do with the blaze has some type of mathematical pattern. Math is everywhere and in everything somehow. You can come up with a set of numbers in some form or fashion that can lead you through a solve in the Rocky Mountains. Like most solves it probably will not be right though. A word map is the way to the blaze and the TC IMO.

          • Aaron, Yes, this in alignment with my thinking. Math, numbers, letters and words are all in play. The poem is a word map, numbers are subsidiary in relationship to this. IMO. The poem is a word map that numbers can be seen and deduced . The words are derived from the ‘word that is key’ that within the poem identifies and relates to. Not derived from numbers. IMO. There is numbers involved that can be synthesized after the words created, thus numbers don’t unlock anything of the map. Numbers and math are just a pattern that can be seen but do not much to aid to solve. .Just my opinion.

          • Seeker, your analysis regarding geography seem to rely on the names of places. My thought is that the WWH must be a place that really has warm water, not just named “Warm River”. I think your example of Sheep Creek should be more thought of as a bighorn sheep preserve. That’s how I think geography comes into play. The names may fit as well (as a second layer to the poem) but they will change over time, which will make solving the poem harder in the future. Just my opinion.

          • JBL,
            Just examples…
            I don’t care for names of places either, but I can never rule them out if I keep an open mind.
            Who knows, maybe the good map/right map refer to constellations and land features… that was the navigation system for thousands of years { lands and oceans }

            I may not like or conclude what others suggest… but unless we can eliminate methods by fenn’s comments { the reason I use fenn’s quotes to make a point when posting } and common sense, most ideas / thoughts are still on the table.

          • Thanks Blex! The lack of a J in (J)HLAWH made me miss it and so easily I missed it too! Duh!

          • Maybe I should clarify. I’m with Zap on this one Tim. Numerology does not seem “Fenn”. Same with spirits and etc… If it does have something to do with it, I’ll eat Jake’s “tree” he will plant.
            The numbers argument is a tough one. There is no “X”, how can you get all the letter values when there is no “X”? So I get it, but, f has put those values in the poem, IMO. Of course, it has to do with how I see the poem. Break down each line by following instructions. Instruction words, within words, letters, etc…In doing this, letter values presented themselves. Not the normal A=1,B=2,C=3,D=4, ETC…it seems f gave his own values.
            The thing is, the poem only gives 9 letters values, it’s how you solve for all that is interesting, also, the value they all add up to. Why is a butterfly a flutterby? Because B=F+L. There’s hints all over the place that support this. Why would f say if you had the coordinates you could go right to the chest. How would I get coordinates? Is math involved? 20% chance to live three years. When my fate hit rock bottom, it was time to act. So, basically Dec 1988 + 3 years, 9 months = August 1992 was time to act. He says 80 enough times, 57 from cancer, just so happens these letter values add up to 80, secondary 57. There’s numbers if that is the way your solve heads. Since coordinates seem the best thing to me to stand the test of time, building and places changing names, and just everything having the possibility of changing over time, the coordinates will not. Maybe the reason we have not found the chest is because we are all trying to solve for the clues. What if you could not solve all the clues from the poem? How do you leave your house totally confident if you can’t solve for all the clues?
            Could someone honestly, know what the blaze looks like from their couch at home? Why can’t little Indy only get the first two clues? What is up with the third? We will only know a clue when we have the chest, so how do you leave your house with confidence? You should go right to the spot, how many people need to search around a little bit? Why give the amount of coins in the chest? Why did he count them? Just say hundreds is good enough, right? Unless……….there is a reason. Look, here’s the values, save them if you like, flip me off behind the screen and call me an idiot, I don’t care, but there just may be something in it, it’s worth making note. A=7,B=2,C=3,D=1,E=3,F=1,G=3,
            H=2,I=3, J=1,K=3,L=1, M=3, N=2, O=3,P=1,Q=3,R=1,S=3,T=2,U=7,
            V=1,W=7,X=9,Y=7,Z=1. Values add up to 80. Now check out what their values produce. If A=7, why? If you move 7 spaces forward you get H, 7 back you get T. These secondary values equal each other. That’s how you solve for all the values when you only get 9 from the poem. B=2 so Z=D. Etc…Hey, I just followed the instructions in the poem and this popped up, I really didn’t want to spend 6 months trying to figure it out. If I’m wrong, huh, okay, If right, then it’s worth the time. No ghosts or spirits helped.

          • charlie,
            After reading your paint by numbers blob.

            Please stay away from the trees I have planted.
            I would not like to see you lose your teeth if you have any.

            What an ugly picture you paint but I’m sure someone likes it.

          • Hi Charlie….sounds like a cipher to me.

            FF said a cipher is not needed.

            I’ll pass.

            I’ll stick with the simplicity and continuous nature the poem presents.

            Good luck to you and whom else is with you and your logic.

          • And Seeker, I agree with what you are pitching. What if we actually could not solve all 9 clues from the poem? The hints help decipher the clues, what if that’s what we get, and the deciphering is boots on the ground? The hints lead us to a spot, again, and again, until hey, I got the chest. If f didn’t say there were 9 clues, would we be trying to solve for clues? Adding in trying to figure what f considers a clue, and then trying to figure what a clue is, lol, maybe that is why it is taking so long to find. We are all trying to solve for 9 clues that the poem does not give us.
            (yeah I said it). lol, now that would be just like f. Hell, I’ll even tell everyone there are 9 clues, lol, this is going to be fun. That I could see Forrest doing.
            I believe you have a coordinates solve, (best to look at all possibilities, right). It may be the only way to leave your house totally confident. It just seems that “clues” could not stand the test of time. 100,1000 years, places and things will change, how could I then solve for clues from the poem. I can’t. Home of Brown is now a shack of Rust. I’m drawing nigh but there are now skyscrapers in the way. Not feasible to destroy the blaze, but that’s what happened, North Koreans blew it apart, so how do I solve this poem, leave my penthouse on the 265th floor with confidence, and find the chest without the clues. Coordinates…

          • Well Charlie,
            when it come to numbers that might be involved with the poem, I try to keep it grade level.
            So A would equal 1.
            But as far as coordinates? not sure if there is or is not a set in the poem. Although I did find a set, it involved the capital letter on each line, and what might be another clues combined ~ hoB, or below it I mean.

            Just like counting words in each line for each stanza to come up with what might be elevations… in the area that the theory / solve was in, it worked well.

            With that said.. and other comments that have come out since that theory… I had to adjust some thoughts. One being, Many warm waters halt…

            Who knows? the theory does lead me to a very small spot, But involves names { not my favorite thing to think about.
            Maybe some day I’ll take a trip.
            Or maybe I can bribe Goofy or Dal to have a peek if there in that area. At least I’ll end up with some nice pictures, If one of those guys could go.

          • Jake, I always thought the Mona Lisa was ugly, but man it’s worth a lot of money.
            Pretty soon, the palm trees out here will start sprouting “Kush”, so I guess I’ll have to sneak into Florida in hurricane season. Tape the windows, I’ll bring the cards and the beer.

          • Charlie: This is getting a bazillion levels deep and very awkward to reply underneath, but you posted that you agreed with me that numerology played no part in solving Fenn’s poem, and yet you then proceeded to describe a numerology solution! Are you sure you know what numerology is? The instant you start arbitrarily adding digits together and reducing to values less than 10 you are engaging in numerology. If you go down this path you might as well count the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin. It is a horrible encoding system, and Forrest is surely smart enough to know this.

          • Zap, I hear you. I know, I’m really not to thrilled about it. It’s just what the poem gave me. It’s just it doesn’t follow basic numerology like what we all think. It’s just, what looks like to me, is f giving letters values. Example:
            If you see this statement:
            Some(sum) ALL and L is ten go od, would you not think A+L+L+L=10?
            There are three answers, A=1,L=3 (basic numerology), A=7,L=1, and A=4,L=2. It’s the word “good”, that defines that statement. “go odd”.
            This is a way to break down the line to find what he is saying. It happens to give letters values. Might not like it, might think it even wrong, but we can’t say that this is the wrong approach. You just followed the instructions and it produced this.
            My thing is to find 4 lines, with the ability to be broken down in such a way like this, that makes sense, in normal speech, you would be hard pressed to find it. Look on comments, blogs, whatever. To find 8 lines with that ability to be broken down like this, well, almost impossible. To find 24 lines, lol, it must be by design.
            My thing is this, break down the lines by following the instructions given. Either in words, within words, or even letters(so hear me all= listen to my words), and listen good(take it to a deeper level, the letters in those words). Break down the lines as many times as they can be, (some lines have 10 possible ways, some just 1). It’s why you can’t mess with the poem. In looking for the answers, I noticed letter values that don’t follow the norm. In the end, they fit every situation I’ve found and they actually add up to some familiar numbers. This is the architecture of the poem. Break down the lines by following the instructions. In the end, I get coordinates. Good ones. I realize that you cannot solve the 9 clues with just this poem. Since all we need is the poem, you then realize how we all have read the poem wrong. You cannot solve the 9 clues sitting at home with the poem. Again, if f never said there were 9 clues, would we be trying to solve 9 clues? No way. The fact he said it, outside the poem, gives him the result he may have been looking for. Everyone trying to solve the 9 clues, instead of everyone trying to solve the poem.
            In my solve I’ve been out there. I could then fit these 9 clues. Some clues the poem does solve, but others, nope. Like the 3rd clue. For me, the poem gives you coordinates, date, time, direction and distance, all things that stand the test of time. The path to the chest reveals his clues. that’s it, simple. Just time consuming.
            You want to know “his rainbow”, it’s 22 degrees, rainbow halo, and it fits somewhere, butterfly=flutterby simple, forrest name 14 and 8, pages in the book, also 22 (rainbow), want his book of days, the clue lines plus the key line. area codes, place that’s dear, medicine wheels, deceptive blazes, nailed down, 2442, 80, 57, to X, Eric Sloane, Andrew Marvell, apples, etc….etc…etc…just to much to overlook, but then again, hey, it may all be wrong…:)

      • Interesting JBL.
        In my solve, there’s a ‘Y’ 30 feet from my blaze(!)


        • Nice! If I were you, I would look quickly down at both the blaze AND at the spot where you would have been Ys. What is your Y, if you don’t mind giving that info?

        • Charlie,


          In other words, and IMO….you’ve really hit the nail on the head about numbers in connection to TTOTC.


          • Charlie,


            Thought you were pro numbers. My mistake.

            Might ‘X’ not even have to be a Roman numeral after all?

            I believe it’s actually a reference to *something (one)…..priceless.

            Could actually indicate a reference to

          • Yea SL, I am pro numbers. Just like the blaze being camouflaged. (I’m liking that word more and more).
            My solve has coordinates. The only way to stand the test of time, IMO.In fact, here’s a thought. You cannot be at home with the poem and solve all nine clues. The poem does not solve for all the, now watch, here they come…
            If there are no numbers, then the clues have to be either direction, distance, or time. Since places, things, objects, etc… could all change in time( change names, moved, destroyed) then how could the poem solve for places? 1000 years from now, clue 5 was frog lake, but now, the lake dried up, skyscrapers are now there, and you have this poem trying to solve for the clues. You could never solve for clue 5, thus, cannot leave your house in confidence. A direction will always be a direction, a distance the same, time, always time. That is what could stand the test of time. So, if someone believes that all 9 clues can be solved with the poem, then they have to believe in the numbers. If the poem cannot solve all 9 clues, then the only way to leave your house, confident, is with coordinates, numbers.
            If f never said there are 9 clues in the poem, would you be trying to solve for 9 clues? Of course not. 1000 years from now, not aware of the 9 clues, will those people be trying to solve for 9 clues? It’s why this has taken so long, we all read the poem wrong. You cannot, from your couch, with the poem, solve all 9 clues. The poem solves for coordinates. We can’t possibly know what f considers a clue. The only way to know you have a clue right is by having the chest, so, if you don’t know what the clues are, how can you leave your house with confidence? There will always be that .000001% chance you have a clue wrong, and that’s enough to not leave with confidence.
            The right person will leave their house, walk the path, go to the coordinates, get the chest, and then understand what he was thinking about when he said there are 9 clues. Then you could get the poem and say, “ohhhh yea, that’s a clue.
            Words demand places, words can change, words have a difficult time being the same 10000 years from now, but not numbers.:)

          • SL, the “X”, maybe it’s a reference for the Summer Solstice. On a medicine wheel the Summer Solstice forms an “X”. Dr. Eddy, follow the arrow, draw a tangent, 24th spoke. Of course, all the word people will not be able to figure out how far, since that is a number.:)

  24. Is anybody else curious why ff posted everyday for a week and then stopped? Is he nervous someone is close? Is he sick of all of our theories? Is he busy Creating something new?

    Where did you go pie thief?

    Come on back-we’re all friends here.

    • Hi Copper,

      Dal explained in an earlier post on one of the more recent scrapbooks. He had backlog of entries written by Forrest that he posted in quick succession, but now Dal is caught up on posting everything that Forrest has sent him so far and we are back to seeing new posts at a more leisurely pace. I think we all got a little spoiled over that last round of scrapbook entries in quick succession!

      • Bummer! That was fun. I felt like something was great was about to happen for a lucky searcher.

        Thanks Blex.

    • Hi, Copper. I’m mostly just a ‘lurker’ here, enjoy reading everyone’s theories and comments but don’t really have anything much to contribute to the discussions. But, I had to grin at your comment.

      Pie thief ? Now, that there’s just funny. Reminds me I got raspberries in the freezer, though, and ought to make a pie or two with ’em… so thanks. 🙂

  25. If… “There are a few words that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them….” is to be taken seriously, then it would seem likely that any kind of counting of words would be inaccurate…being that we do not know which ones are “useless”.
    One could also argue that this statement is contradictory in that there is risk involved discounting ANY of the words. The useless words appear to be necessary for something.

    • Personally, I have not spent a lot of time looking into numbers in regards to solving the Poem. I have found a couple of anomalies in regards to this method….but Fenn has told us to read the Poem, read TTOTC, and do so over and over. Good research materials are …you know the rest. This does not seem to indicate needing numbers.

      • ken,
        Fenn has told us to think, analyze, plan and observe, as well as, just read the poem, the book and maps. How do we “plan” and “observe” just by reading? and exactly what is it we are to think and analyze about?

        My only point to the discussion of the possibility of counts or numbers or math, falls in line with the amount of time fenn stated he took to finalize the poem the way he wanted it.

        Looking up words and definition of words [ as he stated ] might also help with the thought that “every word was deliberate…” such as There’ll to There will. This doesn’t change the meaning or what a sentence or line might be relaying in the word meaning part of the poem… but it could keep the word count { IF that was intended } to be exact to what fenn wanted it to be.

        My only interest in talking about this is not to debate one way or another { I can argue both side } It’s only to bring others who have the same interest of number, counts, math into the discussion of the WhatIFs…

        Maybe this is why fenn has given us elevations levels to live by… 10,200′ to 5000′ ~ A hint ? to the possibility of elevations within the poem?
        But keep in mind that my example of how I used the word count isn’t something I believe is written in stone… it just another idea for “all the information to find the chest is in the poem”

        LOL, Now I’m wondering how long it will take for someone to yell ~ Poem Purist. Clock is started…

        • lol, Tick Tock, come on JDA, I know you want to be wrong, errr, I mean say something. Grape soda sounds so good right now…LMAO…

          • Hi Charlie;

            How you doing guy? I am as anxious as the next guy to get out there. As soon as Mother Nature tells me it is OK – I will lace up my boots. Until then, I will keep listenin’, ponderin’, and hopin’ JDA

        • The poem is all you need. There are a limited number of places in the Rockies that cater to this simplicity. Read the book, pick the best starting point, and head out. I wish I would have felt free to do this instead of all that armchair research.

          • I’ve tried to search with just the poem. I believe that is a lost cause. I think you need to solve the poem before you can follow it’s steps precisely. And to do that in by humble opinion you need TTOTC. I’d recommend the other book too TFTW. With those as your tools and some BOTG you may be able to find your way. Of course you can’t get there if you don’t follow the poem exactly since that is the map. And there you will find the challenge. How do you know if you’ve really solved it? You gotta get out in the woods. And I can guarantee nobody is doing it on their first trip.

          • Damp, it obviously hasn’t been done on the a persons first trip but that does not mean it won’t be. I believe it takes the right thought process and an understanding of the poem more than several trips with BOTG. The person that solves and finds it won’t be someone that goes out over and over again chasing every WWWH in the Rockies but someone that correctly interprets the poem.

        • Seeker,
          If I knew how to, I would set a up a Go Fund Me page to get you out to Fennbore on a Lear jet.
          Something tells me these searchers need a lot of psychoanalysis & you’re as good as they come.
          Seems odd to me, [unless Gold is your Kyptonite] how clinical, how un-impassioned you remain. Tell me you don’t own ‘Psychic Hotline’

      • Ken, I agree with you. Using ANY numbers to solve
        the poem just amounts to another rabbit hole. My
        solve doesn’t even rely on counting clues in the poem.
        All IMO.

    • LOL…
      My Internet connection when down half way through The Who… That’s just criminal. But I went back and finish the song… and a few others. Thanks for the chuckle.
      But now I have an ear worm hearing that song over and over in my head. Not a bad thing really… love The Who… So I guess, I have heart worm.

    • IW: negative. If you don’t have to qualify your opinion then neither do I.

        • I do like that there is actually an X in the word fox unlike the poem. Are there foxes in the Rockies?

      • IW: sure. The blaze is not a fox or any animal. IMO it is a named feature on any decent map close to the right geographic area. The treasure is not there, or even that close. That is not how Forrest is using his blaze in my opinion. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. I’m not a mind-reader. But I’m 100% sure I’ve identified WWWH and the correct canyon, so the possibilities are quite constrained at this point. And no, the treasure is not somewhere south of Santa Fe in New Mexico if you’re still entertaining that crazy theory — assuming that was you espousing to that theory.

        • I didn’t know what the blaze was. I had a wild ass theory that I followed and then it stopped. I was at the end. Then I zoomed around on GE and found a big blaze, with a very funny suggestion as to what “wise” was referring to. And I went to the spot and struck out. But I was missing something? Now I think I know what it was, but I can’t spend the money to go back. What I’m conflicted about is the blaze has nothing to do with my solve, it was just there. I can’t calculate his conclusion. It’s bugging me. I’m the ant circling the tree.

          • Copper,… I also have a big blaze in my solve. Which state is yours in? Mine’s in Wyoming.

        • I don’t think that the blaze is an animal. Most animals don’t live a thousand years, in my
          opinion. But what do I know? I’m not a
          numerologist, so take my opinion with a
          grain of salt.

          I also don’t think that the blaze is named on any map. But I do think the blaze is durable, and will look pretty much the same as it does now — for a few hundred years or longer.

          All IMO.

      • LMAO, I’m at a loss for words. lol, ring-ding-ding. Elephant, is that the ‘Heisenberg’ blue shade he’s sporting?

        • Hah, the train of thought is running at high speed. Recognized the name Heisenberg, mind connected it to the uncertainty principle so I looked that up on Wiki. A few paragraphs down there was mention that the uncertainty principle has been confused with a similar principle in physics called the “observer effect.” So I clicked on that link and read about different types of Observer Effect.

          There was a sub-page on Observer-expectancy effect, that says (among other stuff), “In research, experimenter bias occurs when experimenter expectancies regarding study results bias the research outcome. Examples of experimenter bias include conscious or unconscious influences on subject behavior including creation of demand characteristics that influence subjects, and altered or selective recording of experimental results themselves.

          Okay, I like weird stuff and my mind makes odd connections but this might actually have some reference to what we each are thinking about The Blaze, which is what this page is about, right? If any interest, the last link in this lil’ rabbit hole is the part I kind of got focused on:

          Don’t know if it helps anybody, but hey, couldn’t hurt. Might spark a thought or two? Or not. IMO, lol.

      • I posted the link for a laugh, but did you notice an example of ‘blaze’ as mentioned by FF does appear in the video?

  26. The hardest part of being a member of Dal’s community has been reading the accounts of searchers who have made over 50 or even 100+ trips to the same state, sometimes sacrificing marriages and financial security in their obsessions, while I had very good reason to believe they were searching the wrong state.

    • That’s terrible. This is meant to be an adventure, not a marriage ender. Maybe if people worked together this chest could be found. Maybe that’s the “key.” Help a person, make a friend, negotiate and serve others; not ourselves. Life is too short. I hope the successful searcher is a good person. I really do.

    • Zap – I agree – one should only search within their means and not sacrifice financial security to do it. I can’t image going on 50 to 100 trips (while doing that in may different directions), but some have. Some also wear that like a badge of honor – I can understand that too. For me, I fundamentally believe as FF has said – the one who figures this out will go right to it. I believe most of the work has do be completed before traveling anywhere.

      IMO – my solve puts me part of the 17 foot club (that’s right I said it) but again, that’s only my opinion. Who knows I might as well be 17 miles away!

      • Hi Covert One: at least the number of unfortunate outcomes is vastly outnumbered by the good experiences: families growing closer together by sharing an adventure or two in the Rockies, thousands of people getting exercise and breathing some fresh air, and I believe even a few searchers who met new partners as a result of the Chase.

        It would be interesting to know what fraction of people are in each of the two main philosophical search camps: one where only a couple clues can be solved at home, but the rest must be solved on site, and the other where all or nearly all of the clues can be solved at home, after which you can go straight to the chest. Logical arguments can be made for each case. The solve-most-clues-on-site group can argue that Forrest’s intention was to get people off their couches enjoying nature, and thus being able to solve all the clues from home on your computer would run exactly counter to that design. On the other hand, Forrest did say, “The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with confidence. Nothing about it will be accidental.” And from Scrapbook 73: “My guess is that the person who is successful will very quietly solve the clues and walk to the treasure with a smile on their face.” Seems hard to head out with confidence when you’ve solved only a couple clues (though clearly a lot of searchers do exactly that).

        • Zap,

          I think a searchers philosophy is shaped by the search experience – in other words, many start out by saying they will solve it by interpreting the poem. Because that is so difficult, they form potential or partial solutions (in some cases, many of them) and take them to the field. This is where nature does it thing – as you say, it can be a remarkable experience with family or friends or even alone for that matter. It’s wonderful out there!

          Then, reality sets in – it’s extremely difficult to solve the poem at home and even more difficult in the field. I remember when Mother Nature casually and kindly rejected my solution. That’s correct Mother Nature rejected my solution and I was left to travel back home – defeated….just like many others.

          It’s through the defeat that one’s philosophy changes – whether defeat in the field or defeat while sitting at home spending many hours trying to interpret a solve. That is when (after defeat) I believe many say you have to have BOTG to solve it.

          I believe it can be solved without BOTG; however, retrieving it is a different matter!

          But – what do I know? I don’t have the chest.

      • Geeze, how do you find that many potential solutions??? I’ve been pressed to find 2 in two years!

        • Hi TSAL – I’ve also found two….but it took me four years.

          The first one took me two years…..two years later….I’ll be heading out to test my newest one.

          • Tim, does your newest one give you
            enough confidence that you believe
            with 100% logic and reason, and
            also having used imagination (per
            FF’s advice), that your “specific”
            search area satisfies ALL of the poem’s clues, with nothing questionable?

            Good luck. I hope you enjoy the scenery on your trip and search hike.

            All IMO.

          • I do.

            In honesty…too good.

            But I’ll know soon enough, won’t I?

            My wife is concerned about being wrong, as she should be, because I’ve done this from over 1100 miles away…..BUT….my first trek out revealed a lot more to us than we had expected, so we are taking another stab at it.


            After two years….due diligence is more like it.

            And I am still well within my allotted budget of $3500.00. This trip would put me at about…Uhm….less than $2500 total for two attempts. Just think what 30+ would cost me… would be a financial burden on more ways than one….so I won’t expend travel expense of I don’t have to.

            I can live with spending a little on a bucket list adventure. And my wife agrees.


      • Covert,
        Is it possible for you to say which clue you have solved that would lead you to believe you are within 17 miles (or feet)? (without giving away too much).

        Note: Official ‘foot club’ badges will not be issued until the chest is retrieved.


        • Randawg,

          It’s too much to give away.

          I actually agree that no ‘foot club’ badges should be issued – it’s only my opinion. I could zero in on my exact location and my location could be wrong like so many others. So while I believe it’s within 17 feet – it could be equally as many miles away…..or more!

          • I think the finder should have a contest where all of the searchers can submit their solves and then when he (or she) reveals the actual hiding place everyone will get their ‘foot’ ranking.
            Maybe even have medals made for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place!

  27. Did I miss something? I am (of course) aware of the 500 foot club, and the 200 foot club (and even the 12 foot club that we all want to join), but haven’t heard of any mythical 17 foot club. Can anyone clue me in?
    (I may have to check the distance of my flashlight beam.)
    Thanks! And safe searching, everyone!
    “Have flashlight, will travel”

    • Don’t forget the “Mile High” (5,280 foot) club. I hear membership is pretty exclusive.

    • Apparently it is a fictional club born out of desperation and an over worked imagination. The new Tactical Flashlights are kicka$$ Geoff…just don’t be curious and look into it when in the on position…WOW!

    • LOL Geoff,
      First I heard of this knew club. I think some searchers just dream up measurements. I mean, Iceman claims to have been 3′ from the chest… So we have another club.
      It’s a lonely club, thus far only one member. But, I’m sure someone will soon join it… then two can be the loneliest number, together.

  28. Awwwww the blaze Something that will last a thousand years. Something that in a word is one single object Something that is neither north south east or west I need a v8

      • DG ready? Jake: I heard our Georgia Gypsy has already been to Montana and back in the last month. Look forward to reading any report she wants to share…

        • Much too early to search in the mountains of Montana.
          I would wait at least another month, otherwise your wasting your time & money & putting in harms way.

          • Hi Jake – I know of at least 4 serious searchers that have been on a search since mid April and many places were snow free at that time. Yes snow is still an issue at certain elevations and I assume the spot you want to check might still have snow. If that is the case, how do you reconcile the statement from f where he said “probably retrieve it in any weather?” If you are searching in places that are closed off during the winter or from snow it might not be feasible to expect that Forrest hid the treasure in places that are remote.

          • 1st off Hma,
            If you know exactly where it is, you would obviously weigh out the $$$ verses the effort to get it.

            BIG “IF”.


            How do you reconcile “probably”?

            My spots are clear of deep snow.
            I am more concerned about getting stuck in mud & high water.

            Heck, If I knew exactly where it was, this would have been over in the winter.

          • “…how do you reconcile the statement from f where he said “probably retrieve it in any weather?”

            For one fact… The comment stated;
            “… know precisely where it is you can probably retrieve it in any weather”

            There’s a big difference in searching high and low for something is weather conditions, to knowing exact where it is you want to go in any weather conditions.
            While “probably” leave room for common sense to kick in… But that conditions is going by the way of the dinosaurs, and “probably” much more than 7% of the populace.

          • Bottom line.
            If I knew exactly where 2 – 3 Million $$$ worth was hidden.
            Anyone could have it extracted at any time in just about any conditions.

            But we don’t know exactly where it is unless your mind leaves your body & travels to the place. There’s only one person that can do that.


          • Absolutely correct, Jake!

            “But we don’t know exactly where it is unless your mind leaves your body & travels to the place. There’s only one person that can do that.”

            But, it appears that the one person who knows exactly where it is at said, paraphrasing: If you knew what I know, you would know you can probably retrieve it in any weather….

            Probably: in all likelihood or probability

            I’ll take those odds any day!!! 🙂

          • Hi Jake –

            “Anyone could have it extracted at any time in just about any conditions.”

            Hold your horses Jake. Seeker to the rescue with f’s statement.

            “… know precisely where it is you can probably retrieve it in any weather”

            Mother nature makes her own rules. I try not to tempt her. As I recall this was somewhat close to what Forrest has also stated. There are a multitude of reasons why conditions are not ideal to retrieve something in the Rockies.

            To stay relevant with the thread, I will say that IMO, one way or more you have to find the blaze in order to find the chest. Just because you find a blaze does not guarantee that you will find the chest. Sometimes you have to work twice as hard as you ever thought possible in order to succeed.

          • Jake,
            If the chest is probably retrievable in any weather, and while fools argue about tool, he will walk away with the chest… and other statements… Kinda makes one think about needing an icebreaker, pick-axe, snow shovel…to get at the water filled chest.

          • You could do it primitive style if you know exactly where it is & I’ll add what it’s worth.

            Sticks & stones have been the tools before I was here.

        • Depends on where in Montana. Most places below 7,000′ are currently snow-free, with occasional exceptions for north-facing slopes that receive little direct sun.

        • Yep been there and back and gonna go again What a grand story I have to tell but gotta wait till my next search is over

          • I was hoping for a mill $tory.
            Grand is what it costs to get there.
            I can wait for the winding ball of yarn.

            Hope F drops from a plane & lands on a pussy willow @ Fenn Boary.

  29. Diggin’ has prolly been out and is gettin’ ready to head out again. Maybe all this late snow and late spring conditions are an omen. Maybe the ole Mother is telling searchers to not waste their time in those locations. Never know…but I would listen to her.

    • Yep snow was bad when I was there i gonna wait till I know it’s all gone next time ,,,,we were out searching and dang blizzard would blow up on ya then the sun would come out then the dang bugs never know what your gonna get in Montana

  30. Im guessing the blaze is protected by the national historical preservation act. And that’s why fenn is sure it will be around for a long time.

  31. Hey there Steve Klein,
    I agree that some level of preservation would or should be considered based on the thought that a person like Fenn would ensure some higher level of protection from the effects of time and environmental impacts to indulgence’s hidey spot.

    I found what I thought and still think is the “blaze” type feature in stone on a past search or at least real good based on how I was led to it by the poem and the potential underlying interpretation of the feature. This natural scarring would continue to last and appears to have lasted a very long period of time. It is located where it is extremely unlikely that any type of future development would ever impact it for thousands of years even in consideration of the exponential population growths seen as a whole worldwide and lesser in the US currently. Likewise, based on location, impacts from environmental devastation are unlikely. In my opinion, even a super volcano would not impact it nor an extreme thousands year flood event due to the natural topography, but it is in the “near vicinity” of water and in an area with pinyon, sage, wildlife, mountainous features, etc.

    My blaze, and hopefully Fenn’s as well, are one in the same. I searched nearby and of course found some decent hidey spot locations to no avail. It was exciting though but left me scratching my head and out of breath.

    I have not returned in some time, but since then I had come to the interpretation that if one has been wise and found the blaze then there is still further movement and a distance to travel; my meaning, similar to what others have mentioned to have “found” not “find” in the poem’s words, to me indicating further travel close by is necessary and not absolutely in the spot you are standing with the blaze.

    What do others think about, “look quickly down your quest to cease”? I believe this gives a direction and distance. The distance is in the “to cease” = two C’s = 2 times Roman numeral C which is two hundred (hmm, two hundred feet?). Kind of a listen good moment to what is being said if reading the poem aloud. Why not?

    Anyway, thanks. Oh, if someone is there at Fennboree and reads before losing signal at the campground, run it by Forrest, lol, thanks. I’m sure he would have something witty to say or maybe even a “no, I don’t think I’ll comment” answer.


      • To Steve Klein, It was not, does that mean I lost? Lol.
        However, my very first interpretations pushed me to NM in a different working solution that just didn’t pan out in strength of confidence. To understand the beginning will hopefully help solidify the ending area with the blaze, IMO, based on Fenn’s comments. The underlying important thought that you must understand the significance of how you got there or where you are at, for example, to the blaze or thru the solving of other clues and ultimately boots on the ground.
        No one should sell themselves short of interpretations that have led them to where they have determined to hunt, at least that is what I tell myself when attempting to not force my solve to work. Are coincidences just coincidences? Am I stretching an interpretation too much or maybe not enough? Are we not supposed to bend a little as well?

        So you are thinking NM I gather?

    • Thanks Michael,

      Very interesting story. When I first saw the picture of the marker, I thought “Knights Templar”… hhhmmm!

      Perhaps I should tune into KRQE more often. I hope there’s more info coming soon!

    • Did he say it was on the Philmont Scout Ranch? I remember reading about how dangerous it might be trespassing there…

    • That is certainly a “blaze” if I were to ever come up on. Very strong imagery, and makes me think of a stele or stelae. As mentioned in video, it does not seem like a headstone but more of a marker, possibly boundary marker.


    • He interpreted the letter M on the stone as a Roman numeral for a thousand and the backwards D as minus 500, so as I mentioned above in similar fashion, could the two C’s be 200? All very interesting. Thanks Michael for vid story link.


  32. Whats up..Woody in the house..I’m surprised nobody has found the TC..I thought by now it would have been found..I still feel it is in Montana (treasure state), but I have not searched my area yet..just giving others more time…enjoy your adventures and be safe..

          • Yea, that’s probably what it will be when you think about how small the TC is you have to know and follow the nine clues…honestly I have an area but I need to put BOTG

          • Here is my approximate tally of exploring:

            Mr. Fenn: 2 trips to hide treasure chest

            pdenver: 7 or 8 great vacations 🙂

  33. When Forrest was a young boy a man named C.W.Anderson wrote a series of children’s books about Billy and Blaze. They taught kids about horse sense mainly and he would throw in adventures to keep them reading.

    Billy and Blaze (1936)
    Blaze and the Gypsies (1937)
    Blaze and the Forest Fire (1938)
    Blaze Finds the Trail (1950)
    Blaze and Thunderbolt (1955)
    Blaze and the Mountain Lion (1959)
    Blaze and the Indian Cave (1964)
    Blaze and the Lost Quarry (1966)
    Blaze and the Gray Spotted Pony (1968)
    Blaze Shows the Way (1969)
    Blaze Finds Forgotten Roads (1970)

    • Darn….Looks like “Billy” was replaced by “Blaze” after the first book.

      Sounds a lot like how “Lassie” overcame “Timmie” as the star.

      Shoot – if it weren’t for Timmie falling into the well so often, Lassie wouldn’t have a job!


  34. i think i found the blaze you can all go see it on google maps not hard top miss open google maps has to be 2d have it on plain map then turn on terrain then turn on sattelite. go to crow heart wyoming follow crow creek up past monment peak it hooks left at 10200is elevation in crow creek you will see fog follow that east a little then theres a gap and if you eye elevation in the bottom right corner says 500feet you will see an image of the chest that dissappears if you zoom in or out i believe that is the Blaze. thank You for Your time

    • I’m having trouble replicating this. Any chance you can just post the coordinates for us?

      • joe is a troll that goes by the name “lostowl” on other blogs. he brags about his trolling on Harry’s forum.

  35. So how far from the blaze is the chest?
    Everyone knows Fenn said “It is not likely that anyone would get that close (12′) and not find it.”
    Edited MW question:
    “If I can find the blase, All I need to do is look “quickly down” like the poem says, and there is the treasure, right? ~ Philadelphia Franklin

    “That’s correct Philly…”f
    I believe it’s between 40′ and 100′. So how far do you think it is?


  36. Another MW question:
    Mr. Fenn: How far is the chest located from the blaze? ~ casey

    Casey, I did not take the measurement, but logic tells me that if you don’t know where the blaze is it really doesn’t matter. If you can find the blaze though, the answer to your question will be obvious. Does that help? f

    I don’t think anything associated with the Chase is obvious.

  37. If Forrest followed through on his original plan to die in the location of the treasure, then the blaze may have been the closest thing he would have had to a tombstone.

    It could be argued that perhaps the treasure chest itself would serve as a tombstone, but Forrest’s original version of the poem directed to “Take the treasure chest, but leave my bones and go in peace”. Forrest intended the treasure chest to eventually be taken away, but wanted his bones left right where they were, along with the blaze.

    Is a tombstone important to Forrest? I don’t know. Olga didn’t need one, but she was cremated into scattered ashes and Forrest would not have been.

    • Curious Blex – What is your source for the words you have in quotes? ” “Take the treasure chest, but leave my bones and go in peace”. I have never seen this quote. JDA

      • JDA – It’s from the transcript of Forrest’s presentation at the Moby Dicken’s Book Signing. Just plug it into the search window at and it will come right up.

        I’m really digging that website, by the way. It’s a very handy resource and my hat’s off to the people who put that together.

  38. He’s said that a number of times in different interviews. Search for “bones”. One interesting note about that. In the “On the Road With Charlie” interview he said “leave my bones alone” – which is pretty critical to my solve involving the repeat of the word alone:

    COLE: Yeah, yeah, I know. Too many mysteries. How long did it take you to write the poem? You’ve probably covered this before but

    FENN: Well I worked on the poem on and off for a few years. Because I had to change it. I thought I was gonna die. And so, the initial part of my poem said something like, “Leave my bones alone. Take the chest and go in peace.” But then when I got well, I ruined the story. So I had to change that and I’ve said before that that poem was really written by an architect. Every word is placed in there strategically, and you can’t ignore any of the nouns in that poem.

    • And Forrest said something about time spent fishing being deducted from ones allotted time on earth. I feel that the blaze has something to do with water.

  39. Hi Blex….this is a response from your post in WWWH…..and thought it was more appropriate to respond here…

    “I am wondering much right now if the blaze was something placed by Forrest while hiding the treasure, or if it was a feature already there when he showed up.”

    I’ve discussed this in the past and seemed to have been by-passed without any discussion.

    I also attributed “I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak”, as just what you suggested…..FF made the blaze…..

    In other words, and to go along with what FF has said about finding the blaze, he would think the seeker would find the chest.

    So you are actually rehashing things I’ve stated, yet were dismissed.

    Good luck to you.

    • Hi, Tim. I’ve had a lot of doubts as to whether or not the blaze may still be intact even now (e.g.: maybe it was a blaze on a tree that has since fallen over, been devoured by bark beetles, etc.); especially after reading Forrest’s scrapbook numbers 23 & 148 which document how blazes left on his backyard aspen trees have decayed away.

      However, this quote from refreshed my optimism: “While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there.”

      So the blaze has some reliable permanence in Forrest’s mind. More than a mark on a tree? Maybe, considering the quote above. But when did Forrest make this quote? Was it before scrapbook #148 when he had more confidence in the permanence of a mark on a tree? I’m not sure.

      Another item of conern: if the blaze is something more permanent than a tree and was placed by Forrest, would it be a stone object? metal? If so: in ADDITION to the weight of the treasure chest and its contents? That’s getting to be heavy loads indeed.

      • Hi Blex.

        I have narrowed the blaze down to be a few things, so I really am not one to give definition to it as being one specific item. I do believe FF created it that way. We know a blaze has many meanings – a horse marking, a burned area of land, a “firery looking” item, a landmark, and others……but we are in the Rocies, not on a farm….so we also know a blaze – when associated to the wilderness of the Rockies – is a trail, a trail marker, and not much more than that. Can you name more?

        I have wrote a little about what I found in the search area I have been looking in, but still realize that I am not looking more specifically. I was eager – and “jumbled”……this of course, is not being focussed. Does that mean I have the wrong area?….no it doesn’t, because of the area is so large.

        But I think the poem tells us that he created the “trail” (“blaze”), and it was done specifically for this hunt. Forrest knew what he was doing.

        Some helpful areas to investigate are out there… just needs to find them, and then put them in play and into the adventure.

        Be the chest.

        • A trail marker has always been my knee-jerk reaction to what the blaze is too, but I’ve been trying to keep an open mind as to what other forms it may take.

          I believe that the blaze cannot be seen in Google Earth and requires BOTG to see and find.

          • MADhatter. I agree. No BOTG needed except when you are go to the treasure site with confidence. Forrest has indicated this. The blaze, and other clues, should be determined from the poem, and then, as Forrest has said, married to a map.

          • Since it is not near a human trail are you thinking that FF placed his on trail marker at the site?

          • Hi Aaron.

            You wrote:
            “Since it is not near a human trail are you thinking that FF placed his one trail marker at the site?”

            I think you are missing all those things a “trail marker” could be.

            We know FF said that the blaze is a physical thing… it is either a constructed marking system or sorts – like writing a symbol on a tree, or placing something along the path that directs the searcher in a specific direction, or something that is “natural” in the environment it surrounds.

            I think you also underestimate the words “not a human trail”.
            – a road is technically not a human trail…..although humans will use it. It was technically created by a machine….operated by a human.
            – a game trail is also not a human trail, but many humans utilize them.
            – “not near a human trail” – can also be explained as outside a certain parameter….let’s say 50 ft. If I were 50 ft. away from a human trail, I definitely am not near it……per se.

            “How far is near” is like asking “how far is TFTW”?…..both are very subjective to the user.

            Welcome to Difficulty-land… isn’t as straightforward if you really critique the words for what they are, stand for, or mean.


          • Hello Tim, Hard to believe that the blaze would give directions since it seems you should be at the TC or above it when you see the blaze, but who knows for sure.

            He does leave distance open for interpretation. I have found myself steering away from areas that have trails but you could be right in that it might be 50 ft from a trail. It is up to us to determine what close proximity means to him in this regard. It would seem misleading to me though if it was close to a road. A road can be construed as a human trail or not a human trail depending on the perspective of the individual. Knowing this it is hard to believe that FF would make a statement like that if a road was nearby. Now if you believe that not in close proximity means 50 feet then maybe you could use the road if your spot is at least 50 feet from it IMO.

            I don’t like to think of it as difficulty-land or it will put me in a mindset that this thing is harder than it really is. Discovery-land maybe 🙂

          • Hi Aaron…”Discovery-land”…I like your enthusiasm!! Darn…wish I thoguht of that….*smiles*…..

            Perception. What a wonderful tool to use against us, huh?

            Interpretation is perception.

            Perception is of the mind.

            The mind is consciousness, imagination, and even can be spiritual.

            We see what we want to see, in order for us to “imagine we are correct”, when in truth we may not be.

            “Near” or “Close proximity” – here are my takes….
            – a road could be near and/or in close proximity of the trove.
            – a 50 ft radius can be construed as “near”, relative to it being a minor distance if compared to the whole of the Rockies. As you can see, vagueness has been applied – in order to make it difficult. At least 10 years of constructing it can infer it is extremely difficult to solve.
            – Merriam Webster Dictionary defines it with four definitions.
            1 – at, within, or to a short distance or time *sunset was drawing near*
            2 – almost, nearly *was near dead*
            3 – in a close or intimate manner
            4 – closely – *near* related

            – here is what states:

            What stands out for me is that the word is not a “noun”, so it really is a lesser word within the poem, thus having a subordinate reference to the poem…..meaning it especially required to know how far it represents, but useful in knowing that the searcher is “close” to the end.

            Synonyms seem to play a more pertinent role:
            definition #11 – close in time – “the near future”
            Synonym…..imminent, impending, approaching.

            What made me pause is definition #18:
            “18. (of two draft animals hitched together) being on the driver’s left (as opposed to off): ”
            – Did FF use a vague definition and decided to go along with “not understanding” the usage correctly, but actually is using the definition to tell us something… “on the driver’s left – as opposed to off”….meaning we should be looking on our left?
            – “nigh” is also archaic for left, so it does seem to fit nicely….

            What do you think?

            in a frugal manner

          • Mr Fenn said, (paraphrasing) ” the Blaze could be removed but it wasn’t feasible to try” ….. therefore IMHO it not a “mark” on a tree or rock!

            do the full research… it so much fun

          • Blex, you’d be (and WILL BE) surprised
            at what can be seen using Google
            Earth . . . but of course, you have to
            be looking in the right place. BOTG
            is also helpful, though, and absolutely
            necessary for finding the EXACT
            location of the TC, as Google Earth
            doesn’t zoom in quite far enough for
            this. Good luck to you.

  40. What in blue blazes is this whole Chase about doggone it? Where’s that confounded bridge?

  41. While hiking in the Tetons a couple of months ago, along the trail to Taggart Lake, I came across a large, granite boulder, on the edge of the trail, with a natural, white quartz “X” across the entire top of it. It took no imagination to see. I wasn’t treasure hunting that day (the Taggart Lake trail is extremely crowded), but it sure gave me pause.

    Perhaps the blaze is something like that.

  42. I think I read somewhere that Forrest said he could have written the poem before he hid the treasure. To me, that indicates that the blaze is something that was already at the site where he ended up hiding the treasure. I favor a natural rock formation as the blaze.

    • The blaze and home of Brown are not meant to be easy. Especially the blaze – it’s not something that you can see until you get right there at the location. That’s part of the reason people have not found the chest.

      IMO – one will interpret the exact location before they understand the interpretation of the blaze.

      • Covert One. I disagree. This quote from Forrest indicates that the Blaze should be known before you get to the site: “I warned that the path would not be direct for those who had no certainty of the location beforehand, but sure for the one who did”. You can’t have certainty of the location unless you know what the blaze is and where it’s at.

        • Tom B. disagree. you don’t need to know the blaze. The only important clue is the last one (paraphrasing). The poem gets you to an exact spot, not the blaze.

          • You can’t be serious. The blaze is marking the location of the treasure. “Look quickly down, your quest to cease”. Please explain how you would find the exact location of the treasure without finding the blaze.

          • F’s own words Tom B. If the blaze marks the treasure, then why is it suppose to throw the searcher off? Maybe you look down your quest to cease because something there will help you in finding the chest. He never said look quickly down the chest is right there. In fact, if the chest is at the blaze, why would he need to tell us to look down?

            How would I find the treasure? By the coordinates that I have. Even if the blaze isn’t feasible to be destroyed, it still could be. Where then would that leave you?

            It looks like the blaze has thrown the searcher off track, did it’s job. I don’t need the blaze, I could walk right to it…:)

          • Charlie. Actually, Fenn IS saying look down, the chest is there, unless you are making an argument that the quest is not for the chest. “look down your quest to cease” could not be more clear. If you are looking down only to find more directions to follow, then your quest has not ceased.

          • Charlie, Tom B,
            Slight correction;
            “While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try,…”

            Has far as the chest being at the blaze… here’s a thought;
            “I mean, there’s people driving down the street looking for a blaze, because that’s one of the clues, but you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure, I don’t think, I mean, it would be a miracle if someone did.”

            Whether or not ya want to think the blaze is the end of the challenge and location of the chest… there’s still 2 1/2 stanzas left in the poem. Does the blaze [ clue ] end the information to find the chest , or is there more to be know with those other stanzas?

            Tom B. This has been stated before by others… WhatIF water high is the blaze… look quickly down could refer to more travel for your quest to cease.
            and / or
            locate the blaze and linger a short time for your quest to cease to present itself. Which in both cases the blaze is a pointer and not so much a marker.

            There is another comment {Q&A} about the movement of the land will certainly have an impact of the location of the chest in the year 3009 ~ the RM’s are still moving ~
            If the blaze was the location of the chest itself, why would that location be hard to find when we should know the blaze prior to a search.

            However, if there is movement of the blaze that point to the resting place of the chest and that alignment is knock out of wak, it might be more difficult to find the chest as the years progress, to a precise 10” sq piece of real-estate.

            Just thoughts…

          • Seeker. I have to go with the the most direct reading of the words in the poem. “Your quest to cease” can only mean the treasure is very near the blaze. The clues in the poem after “cease” apply to the blaze/treasure site, in my opinion.

          • If you don’t find and recognize the blaze,
            you’ll never find the hidey spot. IMO.

        • Tom, I agree. (And I’m not telling all that I know
          about this.) No wonder that FF expects the TC to remain hidden for a thousand years! All IMO.

  43. Has it ever been discussed/explained why the verse about the blaze is in past tense while all the other verses in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th stanzas are present tense? Why not if you ARE wise and FIND the blaze? Should you already know where the blaze is prior to BOTG and not FIND it at the location the other clues lead you to?

    New to the chase as I just found out about it a couple months ago while making plans to see the Rocky Mountains. Hate to admit I’m hooked. Went on my first search, and it was amazing. Came up blank but only got to two of the potential four blaze locations due to an abandoned car blocking a narrow canyon pass.

    One thing of note, the place I was at was isolated but not entirely untraveled. It always boggles my mind the amount of empty bottles, cans and Styrofoam containers I find strewn down the canyon walls, along the roads and along the river beds in these beautiful lands. If you take it in with you, be sure to take it out with you.

    • Lost in the wood;

      Regarding why the verse about the blaze is in the past tense – please consider the following:
      “If you’ve been wise” = past tense, so if you had been wise and had found the blaze yesterday, or some day before… Where could you have been when you first discovered or saw the blaze? How about when reading The Thrill of The Chase? (TTOTC) What if there was a picture or an illustration in the book that you had previously seen, and that was now embedded in your subconscious; and then when you saw the “real” blaze – You immediately KNEW that it was the blaze that you were seeking? Make sense? It does to me. Although Forrest has said that there are hints in the “Text” of TTOTC, I do not think that you can exclude the possibility of pictures or illustrations in TTOTC can contain hints. Just MHO – JDA

      • I have an opinion on what the blaze is. All of the quotes I have seen and the past tense line in the poem line make sense if it is in fact true. I believe one can know what the blaze is ahead of time, based on the poem, TTOTC, and FF’s quotes about it but you will not see it and cannot see it on GE until you are on location. All IMO

        • Aaron, I saw it on GE. When it is explained in
          more detail, many folks will be very, very
          impressed with how clever FF was in creating
          the poem. I already am. All my opinion, don’cha know.

          • tighterfocus, I’m intrigued and hope to hear your solution whether you find it there or not. Good luck!

    • It has been discussed. And the tense is very, very important.
      Trust me on this. It’s so important, it relates to the failure of
      the folks — that have been within a few hundred feet of the
      TC — to find it. This will all be explained in detail shortly
      after the TC is found.

      The above is my opinion. Yours may differ.

  44. Hi, Lost in the Wood.

    I don’t recall anyone specifically mentioning the change in verb tense at the line about the blaze, but it is interesting to focus on. To me, it gives a sense of some amount of time elapsing after “heavy loads and waters high” and arriving at the blaze. Perhaps as if to subtly indicate that this is the area of the poem where one will actually be doing the majority of their hiking?

    And I agree on hating to see litter in the great outdoors. I always try to get back to the trailhead with at least a pocketful of other people’s litter so that I left the area at least a little bit better than when I found it.

    Happy Chasing!

    • Blex, thank you for mentioning this. That’s a good thing — picking up litter. On my last search trip, I saw several old rusty cans and some small pieces of broken glass, in an area that was otherwise “picture-perfect” in looking like humans had never ever been anywhere nearby (this is
      truly a huge understatement about the beauty of the
      place). It brought tears to my eyes.

      On my next search trip, I will make it a point to pick up
      litter. Thank you for mentioning it.

  45. Good research Tim, its hard to know for sure if the left definition fits and if FF went that deep into his research of definitions and decided to use it. It is worth keeping in the back of your mind in case it fits with a general solve.

  46. Here is an interesting geography/geologic spot that is on FFs map: I don’t have any other clues matching up with this area, but when I saw it on satellite it just struck me as odd/interesting/unique. This area could have been visited on the many trips to yellowstone, not a well known destination and not all that pretty. I’ve never seen 4 separate canyons meet in such a unique way (I guess you could say it is really 3 and coincidence the water decided to flow in perpendicular ways), nonetheless, feast your eyes: topo is not as obvious as on satellite: 42.40, 105.62. Not my blaze, but a blaze…all imo.

  47. Is it possible for a person of average intelligence to discover the actual true blaze but still not find the chest?

    • Anyone capable of finding the true blaze, once they are on-site at the blaze, should have no difficulty in finding the treasure in my opinion.

      • Hi Tom.

        “Anyone capable of finding the true blaze, once they are on-site at the blaze, should have no difficulty in finding the treasure in my opinion.”

        I completely agree with this line of thinking, Tom….but….I am also one to think that the blaze is a combination of markings over a stretch of land……like 2-3 miles long….amybe even more.
        – which leads me to think about “two trips done in an afternoon”.

        Any more miles than three….now you are challenging the time it would take an 80 yr old man to travel “back and forth”. It just doesn’t seem logical, unless he drove the entire distance….”back and forth”.

        It seems logical when you put it into a perspective that this is a treasure map that the distance travelled was by walking or hiking.

        And if so….it is also feasible he constructed the blaze as he moved along the path.

        Treasure maps usually do not have all the clues in only one location, thus, multiple locations are lined up to lead the searcher to the end.

        I think FF also used this type of application as well.

        Good luck to you.

        • Tim. Very interesting. I have to admit that I have not considered the possibility that the blaze could be something spread out over a distance. But, I seem to recall reading that Forrest said the blaze was a single object.

          • Hi Tom.

            You wrote – “the blaza is a single object”

            A marked trail could be a single object….just a long one.

            A trail is a single object technically…..although a trail could be miles long.

            WHat I think some folks are thinking that the blaze is just one item. I’m not going to go in that direction, because we are supposed to have found the blaze before we haved reached the end…therefore, IMO , the blaze had already been established, and with multiple markings along a trail, suggests that the seeker would have found these markings, to lead them to the trove.

            Simple enough, huh?


    • Yeah, it’s possible. I’ve known about the blaze for a year, but
      have taken 4 search hikes so far into the area and haven’t
      yet found the chest. But I expect to on my next try. All IMO.

    • Short answer – yes, in my opinion. Especially if the person finds the blaze and is not looking for Indulgence. Without a lot of thought, I can easily see a random hiker or hunter coming across the blaze and enjoy it, maybe even take a picture of it because it is so striking, and leave the chest behind because they are unaware of the chest’s existence.

      The main reason I think this way is because of the numerous times that it has been said that no one would stumble across the chest. Getting to the blaze is important, but you have to keep your wits about you to locate Indulgence – again IMO.

      Good luck to all!

  48. I believe there’s a bit more to solve once the blaze is found. The poem is a treasure map right?
    Then why is there a third of it left over after “Just take the chest and go in peace”?
    Mr Fenn carefully selected each word in the poem and I don’t think the last two stanza’s are just fluff.

    • Randawg, yes, there are some clues after the blaze that help define the exact spot, but I believe the blaze and treasure are within 20 feet of each other. The clues in the poem after the blaze, in my opinion, apply to the combined blaze/treasure site.

    • Hi randawg…..good post.

      I also believe that the last two stanzas only refer to the final trove spot.

      If you analyze the poem….you do have some sort of hints embedded….

      “I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.”
      “If you are brave and in the wood”

      …..are the final hints IMO….

      • Tim. I agree. I think cold, brave, and in the wood refer to the blaze/treasure site.. By the way, every time I try to type the word “brave”, the spell checker changes it to “brace” and I have to correct it. Maybe it’s trying to tell me that “brace” is a clue?? 🙂

    • Randawg,

      I agree with you… and I hope you’re right. The solution that I’m working on depends on it. If my solve is right, the blaze is more than 8 miles long. I’m still researching everything to narrow it down.


  49. I assumed when I went out in early August, that the blaze would be something I would have to discern as I went along the creek, in the canyon. Forrest said that if we knew the location of home of Brown, that we would find the TC in due course. Somewhere he advised us not to seek the blaze first, as it would be less productive (para). Can’t recall where I read that, but he did say something like that.

    When we were out in my solve area, we found a strange old rusted tin badge thing (unreadable) hanging from a sage bush. Even though we knew it was probably not the blaze, we still looked there anyway. I really believe the blaze is just as permanent as the home of Brown, the creek and the canyon. It will be a very obvious thing when we are standing in the right spot.

    Forrest has mentioned in several places that geography is more important than history in the solve. Why would the blaze be some marking on a tree, when over a hundred years it would likely disappear? I just do not believe we can see it until we are in the canyon, along or near the creek, below the home of Brown.

    A big natural X or a V in a large rock, in my solve area, might be the blaze. Something of that nature is more likely the blaze. Time won’t destroy it without a major upheaval like an earthquake.

    Crazy Thoughts – What if the canyon down is a small canyon created by the small creek down inside it? Like the Grand Canyon, but very small in scale, with walls of 25 to 45 feet on each side?

    • Hi Franklin… al…..

      Time for another hint from Tim…..*smiles*… some…..they will just pass this by…..*shrugs*……

      This is my “blaze”…….It is what I have seen in my area….
      – It could have been made along the path… there were plenty of stones to create it…..throughout the trail I am taking.

      Some reasons to go along with this concept….
      – “I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak” is a great example of putting these “cairns” into place along the trail. It shows FF physically was thinking of the path to take…..and if he had made multiples of this marker, it would cause tiredness – due to bending over and building them repeatedly. But more importantly….a cairn was/is……
      – Used by wilderness frontiersmen
      – Used today by hikers and outdoorsman
      – easily created for others to recognize
      – keeps one on a singular path
      – could lead one to the trail’s end – or more realistically – the trove.

      Unfortunately…..the one I initially saw and took pictures of back in 2013….was no longer where I saw it was……so it could have been feasibly removed…..without effort…..just by knocking it down, in which would have destroyed that particular one.
      – But that would be troublesome for others to then locate a trail head.

      Sooo…..IMO – this trail marker….probably is located at about every 500-1000 ft…..OR…..every half mile……or even every mile……

      OR….you make up the distance that seems to fit logically.

      Hope this helps…..Good luck to all.

      Be the chest.

      • Hmmmm.
        Tim that looks very similar to what I found for use as a blaze in a possible area.
        If I knew how to I’d show it, but that escapes me for now.
        Only thing I don’t like about it is it’s possible for it to be easily removed either intentially or accident… otherwise everything is a nice fit.

  50. If I do a search for “blaze” on, the following Forrest quote comes up:

    “While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there.”

    This quote cites the “Illinois Ghost” website as the source, in which it is one of a list of many Forrest quotes without specific dates tied to them.

    In scrapbook 23 (March 2013), Forrest shares some pictures of markings carved into the aspen trees in his backyard without any accompanying text.

    In scrapbook 148 (November 2015), Forrest laments the same aspen trees dying and includes photos of the bark carvings removed off of the trees.

    In walking through forests on my searches, I see a lot of dead, dying, and fallen trees, which makes me seriously question if the blaze was on a tree and has now vanished. I think I big step towards answering this question is finding out what the exact date was when Forrest said, regarding the blaze, “I am certain it is still there.” If Forrest said this before November 2015 (when Forrest witnessed the deterioration of his own backyard blazes), I will continue to wonder if the blaze may be gone. If Forrest said this after November 2015, then I would feel much better that Forrest is not worried about the blaze being gone, in spite of the number of trees dying due to the bark beetle epidemic.

    So can anyone provide a date for when this quote was made? I have not been successful.

    • I can not give you a date for that quote by I can tell you I have seen dozens of Aspens with dates carved on them. One was carved with the year 1987 and clearly it was old but still readable. I believe Aspens carved in colder climates hold their markings longer. I search near West Yellowstone. My blaze is very large and not feasible to remove and why would I or anyone else take the time to remove it if you have Indulgence? I think it is possible his resting place is near Aspen trees. Scrapbook 23 is one of the oddest posts from Mr. Fenn. Stay safe and carry Bear Spray!

    • Hi Blex — I wouldn’t worry about the blaze being eradicated after only 7 short years. Forrest said he thought of everything, and surely permanence would have been foremost in his mind when designing his clues if he wanted his puzzle to be solvable decades or even centuries in the future. Marks on trees are not permanent (as Forrest’s own backyard attests). It doesn’t take a genius to realize that depending on a tree blaze would be a very bad idea if clue longevity was important to you.

      • Agreed, the chance of the blaze having anything to do with a living non-petrified tree is slim to none IMO

    • Blex, if you think in terms of anything tree-related lasting for
      a thousand years, then you are . . .

      scroll down . . .

      wait for it . . .

      “bark” ing up the wrong tree !! All my opinion.

  51. I have developed a solve which I believe in, but my area of choice seems to have more than one blaze. The interesting aspect is that one blaze seems to point to a second blaze.

    So my question to anyone who will respond is: Is it possible that there are 2 blazes to follow? Has anyone ever heard Forrest talk about this general idea?

    I wonder if “look quickly down” might mean, look in the direction indicated by the blaze?

    • Franklin;

      I am in the minority, but yes, I think that there CAN be more than one blaze, and that a couple of them point down…. but I am weird – JDA

      • JDA – thank you. At least I am not alone. I’m probably a little weird as well. Step by step, there is a path to the TC.

        • Franklin, for a while I was arguing with myself
          about this exact same thing. Only recently did I decide that there’s only one valid blaze per FF’s poem. Your question about this suggests that you may have done at least part of a correct solve. Good luck.

          The above is my opinion. Yours may differ.

    • I have one very long solve that has a waterfall as my Blaze – and of course, the waterfall points down. A shorter, simpler solve skips this blaze and is a more direct route to the same final location. This simpler solve also includes a blaze that points down to where Indulgence is secreted. I will know if I am correct in less than two weeks – I hope. JDA

    • Franklin. Here is a question to, and response from, Forrest on

      “Is the Blaze one single object?…..In a word – Yes…”

      Seems pretty clear. If there is more than one blaze, then he is not answering truthfully.

      • I do not agree. Each of my several blazes IS a single object, there just happens to be more than one. Forrest was telling the truth, bust not ALL of the truth – IMHO
        Forrest just failed to disclose certain facts – like, there is more than one blaze…but what he did say was truthful.

        Forrest was not required to take an oath to tell the truth, THE WHOLE TRUTH – and nothing but the truth… He just forgot to tell THE WHOLE TRUTH – IMHO JDA

        • I agree. It’s the way he answered the question. First he repeated the question, then he answered with “…in a word – yes.” He thought it over a moment or two.

          • There’s a hint in FF’s answer. He likes
            to tease. (He could simply have
            answered “Yes.”) All my opinion.

      • While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there.
        Hi Forrest, I would like to know if the blaze can be found during the day without a flashlight. Thanks, Ron
        Perhaps your question is wrought with trickiness Ron. Are you really asking if the blaze could be in a cave where it is dark during the day, thus the need of a flashlight? If there is no subterfuge intended in your question then I would say yes.f


        While I can’t argue a “blaze” can’t be more than one thing that creates a single blaze…. fenn hasn’t stated in any comment that I could find as the blaze being of two object or two different places / spaces.

        • Opps I forgot this one;
          Which direction does the Blaze face? North, South, East or West? Curious. Foxy
          I didn’t take a radial off of the blaze Foxy. I’m thinking it may not be any of those directions. f

          Which raises the question is the blaze a pointer or a marker?

          • Seeker. Yes. There are two more examples of Forrest using the singular form in reference to the blaze. JDA says that perhaps Forrest was not being untruthful, just not telling the whole truth, if he answers this way when in fact there are multiple blazes. I maintain that, at the very least, this would be misleading, and I don’t believe Forrest would resort to such tactics. Especially when he has demonstrated that he will say that he does not want to answer a question.

          • Tom;

            Let’s say that you are at an Art Gallery opening. You and another person are looking at a very garish painting – one that you do not like at all. The person next to you says, “Isn’t this painting the most beautiful thing you have ever seen?

            How do you answer? I would say something like, “Yes, I love his use of reds and oranges together.” I have not lied, because I did like the use of the reds and oranges.(It was the garish use of the purples and greens that I did not like) Was I misleading? I think not. The listener goes away feeling that at least one person shares her evaluation of the painting. What harm was done? I think none.

            “Is the blaze one single object?” In a word “Yes” Same as above: From my point of view. JDA

          • Hi sparrow…

            If you analyze what was said…a “cairns” fits it very well.

            Good luck.

          • JDA. Your art gallery example is not the same at all. In your example, you did not answer the original question. You AVOIDED answering by commenting on something else. Forrest was asked a direct question and he answered the question. No uncertainty at all! If there is more than one blaze, then he was deceitful. And, I don’t believe he would do that. Dal, perhaps you can comment on this.

          • Tom-
            It shouldn’t matter to anyone what I think. This blog is a place for light…not heat.
            You made a good point and now you could move on to the next thing you can add an interesting comment about…rather than stay in one place and argue with JDA…

            In this way folks can read JDA’s point and your counterpoint and decide for themselves whether to take one side or the other OR do some research of their own OR just chuckle and go on to the next conversation.

          • seeker:If you read the book will find the indicator, read 2 or 3 times on the page of ff (Lessons of Bella Abzug) there you will understand what I say.

  52. Good luck on your solve. A waterfall could be part of the solve. If they find it for you, then I hope they save a video of it for you !!

    • Thanks for the well-wishes. YES, they plan to video tape and take PIC’s of it all – JDA

  53. Has anyone realized that the blaze, though clue 7, 8, or 9 depending on your 9 clue order, is around the clue 3 location?

  54. For me the blaze is at clue 8. In the order of events within the poem, finding the blaze is just before finding the chest.

    However I am first to admit that “in the wood” and “worth the cold” have me a bit baffled. Both could have literal meanings, or figurative.

    • Franklin,
      Are you sure?… “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze” seems past tense to me. I mean, wouldn’t it read as; If you are wise and find the blaze, for the blaze to be ‘just before the chest’?
      Unless I’m reading you’re comment wrong, it sound like your 9th clue might be the chest, if the blaze is just before it… I’m sure there is a English teacher out there that might give an explanation of how that line might be considered present tense… but it sure seems to me that fenn wanted it read as written “been wise” “found” the blaze.
      I would think found would be better used as discovered if it was in order/sequence between water high and quest to cease… because been wise to me means, knowing and not just found.

      Then of course, we have the next line that states “Look quickly down, …, But tarry scant with marvel gaze” Which implies an action in present tense, right? So, Is “…your quest to cease…” to be a future thought for us to look quickly down and gaze for our quest to cease [find the chest]?

      Consecutive order has a description/usage/meanings of; follow closely, or advance in the right order. Synonyms for consecutive is succession, sequence … are we reading the poem in the right sequence, order? or even in the correct tense?

      Don’t might me… I’m just rambling and rumbling and analyzing the crap out of the poem.

      • No worries my friend. I didn’t sit down and chart the clues in order. I was just responding to a post where someone said the blaze was clue 3. I also read it as something you have to identify before you are in the area. Now I finally think I have found my big blaze. The 2nd one I mentioned earlier seems to point to it, but when I get there my small blaze may not be important. I have found a wonderful blaze. I have all things covered to that point, but I’m still confused about “brave in the wood” and “worth the cold”. Where do you live Seeker?

        • Franklin;

          We each have our own way of solving the riddles in the poem, but were I you, I think I would take a hint from the man that created the [poem and the riddles. Here is his advice:

          “There are nine clues in the poem, and the clues are in consecutive order. If you want to find the treasure chest – you have my book there – I’ll tell you how to do it. Read the book just normally … the poem and the rest of the book, and then go back and read the poem 6, 8, 10 times – study every line, every word. Then after you do that, read the book again, slowly, with the idea of looking for clues or hints, that are in the book that will help you follow the clues. You can find the chest with just the clues, but there are hints in the book that will help you with the clues.” f

          I think that “consecutive order” is a B I G hint.

          Looking for poem elements in a hodge-podge manner, I think will lead you nowhere… but that is just my point-of-view. JDA

          • JDA: you wrote “I think that ‘consecutive order’ is a B I G hint.”, and yet my recollection is that you somewhat ignore your own advice by changing the order that you read the stanzas — at least as far as the order that you extract the clues. 5-6-1-2-3-4 was it not? I know you believe the poem is circular in nature, but that is a condition that you (not Forrest) have placed on the poem in order to justify the non-consecutive clue-pulling order. 5-6-1-2-3-4 is not consecutive — that is, unless you consider Q-K-A-2-3 to be a straight in poker. 😉

          • JDA
            Emmit is quiting Franklin who you attributed to emmit. The lacknof quotes is why.

            Fyi, You can go in consecutive order 1-9 with clue 8 being at clue 3.

          • Yes you are right, because I found many words and excerpts from the book that if mounted would have helped, more what I called the attention, in a passage of the book when he enters the next forest forest word and with about 20 million, poriço ff does not know The value of today

      • seeker; you, and many others are thinking about it wrong. There are no clues in stanza four, only hints.
        I agree that the blaze is a clue, but in stanza four, past tense, he is only drawing attention to the fact there is a blaze that you must find.
        If the blaze is a clue, it must be a point on a map. If it is a point on a map, f must give you a direction and a reason to stop at that point, and recognize it as a blaze. None of that occurs in stanza four, but elsewhere in the poem.
        I do enjoy your comments, and I thank you for your many insightful posts.

        • emmett;

          You say, “seeker; you, and many others are thinking about it wrong. There are no clues in stanza four, only hints.” Where did you learn this “FACT”? You are expressing your “OPINION” – These are NOT facts – Please read the “RULES” posted at the top of every thread – Thanks.
          You then say, “I agree that the blaze is a clue, but in stanza four, past tense, he is only drawing attention to the fact there is a blaze that you must find.” – again Opinion NOT FACT!!

          Followed by: “If the blaze is a clue, it must be a point on a map. If it is a point on a map, f must give you a direction and a reason to stop at that point, and recognize it as a blaze. None of that occurs in stanza four, but elsewhere in the poem.” More OPINION – NOT FACTS!

          I know you are new, and I do not want to sound like the “Cop”, but the rules are there so that other new people are not confused into believing that someones opinion is a stated fact.

          Have fun, welcome, and “Play by the rules” – JDA

        • Emment,

          Don’t think I’m ignoring or skipping your comment… I’m still pondering the thought that it could be possible part of the poem tells something / holds information for a clue or clues that is mention later… Not unlike one thought / WhatIf, wwwh puts in below the hoB.
          Or like baking a cake… preheating the oven before mixing the ingredients, line of thinking. However, My thoughts on your comment went right to “your effort will be worth the COLD, if you are BRAVE and IN THE WOOD as a possible description of what the blaze we seek might be.

          Feel free to add more to your comment… my head is spinning with my thoughts and yours right now, and all i’m getting is a ugly, lumpy batter mix-up.

      • Seeker, To me, the use of the past tense indicates that you need to know what the blaze is before you get to where it’s at; that if you don’t know what to look for ahead of time, you will not find it when you are there. Logically, then, this would mean that the blaze is not something that would ordinarily stand out on it’s own. This explains how searchers that have solved several clues walked by the treasure. They did not recognize the blaze.

        • I agree with JDA. We need to keep facts separate from opinions. I try to do that, perhaps not always successfuly.

        • Tom B,
          When I read your post, the first thing that popped in my head was this Q&A;
          Forrest, What’s the minimum number of clues that we need to solve to find the treasure, assuming that we follow the clues in order? `Serge Teteblanche
          “Just one Serge, the last one.f”
          { my thoughts on this Q&A varies… the question has the clues followed in order… so the last clue is the ticket } But it does raise the thought that if we knew what hoB was, we need not be concern about wwwh [reverse engineering question]

          Which in turned lead me to this;
          “I mean, there’s people driving down the street looking for a blaze, because that’s one of the clues, but you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure, I don’t think, I mean, it would be a miracle if someone did.”

          So is the blaze where the chest lays in wait or just a clue in the middle of the poem, and that “last clue” is past / beyond the blaze in the poem and/or on site?

          Becky must be laughing so hard tears are falling.

          • Seeker. The way I see it, each clue is dependent on the previous one. You can’t find the correct homevof Brown unless you have already found where warm waters halt. And, you can’t find the blaze unless you have already found the home of Brown and the creek. And, I do not think that the blaze is the last clue, but the treasure is in close proximity to the blaze, in my opinion.

          • I think the blaze is a natural object that has been at the treasure site long before Forrest hid the treasure. It could, in fact, be a primary factor in making the location so special to Forrest.

          • We, or rather I, have no definite sense of the size of the blaze. It could be a rock… could be a mountain.

          • It’s been noted in the past…Serge TeteBlanche…white head. Serge is a twill pattern. IMO, he has told us what to look for repeatedly. “When my hair started going grey…ok white”…”when I started to go bald” (paraphrased sorry its 4am before work).

      • Perhaps the past tense means that if you have followed the clues correctly and have found the blaze.

        • Aron:It is not to tinker with the poem, it is to rewrite the poem, but he says do not mess with my poem, just observe some words in your book and you will understand, what I say.

        • Logically, Aaron, that sounds reasonable… except… shouldn’t we know what the blaze actually is prior, and not just find / found it.
          I guess if the clue are very close that bring a searcher right to the blaze, I could see that happening. Sort of like following street signs and coming to a dead end road…

          Where’s Becky when you need her?

      • Seeker, I suggest you show the poem to somebody
        about Forrest’s age. They would have a definite
        advantage, compared to someone born after, say,
        1970. All IMO.

  55. JDA- Just because I post infrequently does not mean that i am new to this blog.
    In case you haven’t noticed every comment on this blog are opinions of the poster unless you are quoting Fenn. If you are quoting anyone you should use quotation marks, and if you are paraphrasing you should state it as such.
    I stand by my opinions and if you would open your mind a little instead of trying to be “the TOTC cop” you might realize that I might be correct, in my assertions.
    Dal recently posted that the purpose of this blog is to bring light to the chase, and it seems that you would rather darken others opinions.

    • emmett;

      I was just trying to be helpful, and keep you out of moderation. The choice is yours. Dal and/or Goofy may not be as gentle – JDA

      • so up and down (lol) cross poem.
        Tip:lessons from bella abug page forrest fenn.
        This is what your fenn says to do in the poem, so it’s not okay.

  56. JDA-Thank you for trying to be helpful, and I do appreciate your more pleasant tone.
    I think the ideas that I presented are new to the blog. I think they solve the dilemma of why “the blaze” is presented in the middle of the poem, and yet many people think it is clue 8. I believe that it is clue number 8, and directions to its location are found much later in the poem.
    I too have struggled with the fact that f has stated “the clues are consecutive”, and later that they are “contiguous”, and yet they seem to be out of order.
    I tried to place points on a map for each clue, as f suggested (paraphrased), and the results were very revealing. I came up with 9 points, and when I reexamined the poem I could see how he could have directed one to each point, and how they were consecutive.

    It seemed to work for me, and you might consider trying the ‘point method’. IMO

  57. Now that I am back home, I wanted to look again at my personal solve area. Again I have discovered 2 potential blazes within the landscape. One blaze points to the 2nd blaze, and the 2nd blaze seems to fit the blaze in the poem, in that you can find it, easily scale it, and look quickly down.

    So even though most believe there is only one blaze, maybe one of my 2 blaze locations is THE blaze. I am so confident of my home of Brown, that I cannot abandon this area, and I still think more than one blaze is possible in the solve.

    Now I am certain to return ASAP, and my “put in” will be different due to having studied my area more intently. I missed this area the last time, and I feel like a fool for not seeing these things before.

    My solution to the controversy of having 2 blazes instead of one, is to check each one very carefully. One of them may be the right one!

    • Franklin, when you say “easily scale it”, do you mean
      physically climb the blaze? If so, it’s not the correct blaze,
      in my opinion. Please remember that FF would not want
      any searchers to get hurt while trying to find the treasure.

      All my opinion. Yours may differ.

  58. I believe there may be other objects or landmarks in the area that draw one’s attention and help to confirm the search area but only one blaze.


  59. Dal thinks I should post this here So I will in case it helps anyone Although I think that it should be put in a museum if found too, like Mr Fenn does. Like the Smithsonian

    SO many people believe they have been close Not that i am coming from Australia to search it is 23,200 kilometres form me to the blaze. Give or take a Kilometre or two.

    I shared my finding in a searcher’s group with some 250 members and asked them to spread it wide. Hopefully someone will do what Mr Fenn wants and put it in the Smithsonian (that is where it belongs.

    I will share the same information with you that way everyone has an equal chance. Share it on with as many searchers as you please if you believe it to be sound.

    this is what the poem says and where everyone (except bill) seems to get stuck If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
    look quickly down your quest to cease,
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
    Just take the chest and go in peace.

    and so you have to think about itt Now tarry scant means wait a little and so it does so now we will have a little history lesson . I am referring here to the Town of Tarryall. In 1930, the Colorado Springs Gazette published a different story about the origin of Tarryall. In this story, Tarryall creek was named by a group of prospectors who paused to ‘tarry’ on their journey west to California. Now you might be thinking that which seems to be the opposite of tarryall but there is a reason to get interested in this town. the original name was Tarry Graball and was shortened to Tarryall and the original miners grabbed so much there were scant pickings for new comers. As a side the town of Fairplay was set up as a dig to Tarryall because everyone got a fair go at finding some gold

    Now don’t go packing your bags for the current town of Tarryall as that is not the Tarryall referred to, the original town of Tarryall is 29 miles to the northwest and is only identified by a marker on the side of the road The sign appears to be on the other side of a fence On google maps so it only appears as a white blob so I think it could be on private property Ask permission if you want to go in and have a look)

    I cannot put a picture of the blaze on here I tried and it wont let me do that. But there is a blaze marker showing where the town was if you hunt for it on the net there aren’t many photos of it though two is all.

    as to marvel gaze and I can hear you asking where is marvel gaze it is right there on the plaque at the top in a very small space there are some symbols which are a bit hard to see,.There are mountains and hammers which are symbols for Colorado and there is an eye sitting atop an image a pyramid which is known as the eye of Providence You might be wondering what has any of this to do with marvel gaze, well the eye is the gaze. The marvel another word is wonder and of all the ancient wonders of the world, the only one left is The Pyramid of Giza which was the oldest of them.

    It could be as a simple as it is part of the marker but I don’t think so as if it especially if it is on private property. So I would start at the bridge and work my way up the creek. It is going to need sharp eyes though. I would say the west side of the creek as that is what the marker stone says. So it narrows it down to about a half square mile though if it is close to the creek as i suspect under a rock or in a tree stump then the area narrows considerably. One other thing he once said someone was within two hundred feet of it. that would be because they searched on foot a half mile on foot might not be the same as the crow flies.

    I could be wrong of course, all solves are either right or wrong. Oh and be safe out there when searching.

    Remember the Smithsonian though as Mr Fenn has given a verbal implied instruction for it to be donated there. So from a legal standpoint he has told you what to do with it.



    • Heck I ain’t putting it in no smithsonian it’s going under my barn I’m
      Gonna sit on it like that movie second hand lions And I been to that area in Colorado many many times My parents had a home in FairPlay many moons ago I couldn’t see putting a treasure in that area But one never knows aye mate hehe

    • Use to be great back in the day before everyone has bought up the land and put fences everywhere love that area my parents use to live in a stage coach house off Kenosha pass up near Gibson lake in the 60s the good old days

    • Colin,

      There is also a Tarryall Creek and a range of mountains called the Tarryalls close by. A couple more threads you may wish to follow.


      • There is indeed by looking at google maps or bing maps I would say tarryall creek is about 50 feet from the blaze marker as most. The blaze marker also mentions west twice So I think it is plainly telling you to search on the west side of a the creek in that square half mile up the creek between it and the bluff. Wont be easythough 7 years of falling leaves. I still think it is closer to the creek though.

        • The “blaze marker”? The blaze is meant to throw the searcher off. I don’t see a marker doing that. Unless he ‘marked” it the wrong way, but that would be deceptive, don’t think that fits either.

        • Mr. Fenn,
          Which direction does the Blaze face? North, South, East or West? Curious. Foxy
          I didn’t take a radial off of the blaze Foxy. I’m thinking it may not be any of those directions. f
          Colin~ ‘The blaze marker also mentions west twice So I think it is plainly telling you to search on the west side of a the creek..’

          You’ve done research on the oceans, Tarryall town and it’s history… have you research fenn statements and comments, Q&A’s Interviews…?

    • Colin,
      Your thoughts would be interesting if we knew more about how you came up with them from the poem and/or the book as reference. Where is your wwwh? or any other possible clue references… I mean, without more information of the path that took you to Tarryall and the blaze, would seem, this theory is nothing more than a hunch…

      Although I did check out the area’s information… seems like a nice place to get away to.

      • Oh! I’m with DG…
        That little chest is for keeps if I find it.
        Even fenn once told a searcher who was worried about crossing the Canadian border with it… [paraphrasing], they’ll let you take money across…

        • I crossed into Canada twice and went through in 3 minutes. It’s only a concern if your searched but being a Canadian , unless there is suspicion ,would they search your vehicle. Canada has different laws for precious metals also.. It’s rather beneficial to be a Canadian finder and bring it to Canada . I hope one day to be in that situation lol.

      • I should point out that I am not a boots on the ground searcher and never will be, it is in America and I am in Australia, It is only a million dollars and I don’t need it. It belongs in a museum.

        As to where warm waters halt, there is a dictionary definition of warm waters that Mr Fenn I am sure knows. and I quote an ocean or sea not in the arctic or antarctic regions. Therefore warm waters halt at the oceans or seas either side of that. The southern ocean is a bit far away. The Atlantic ocean is another matter. And to answer your next question about take it in the canyon down not to far but too far to walk. It is only about 3 miles down the canyon but none the less you cannot walk to it as it ison the sea floor Think about Margaret Brown.

        • Colin,
          Just to be clear, WWWH and Canyon down are in the ocean? and hoB is telling us to trun into the Rockies.. meaning that clue is out of the region?
          This solve revolves around Molly Brown in some way?
          Have I got that correct…….

          • yes that is it and after she moved to Leadville and Denver where she lived, now I don’t know about her home in Leadville whether it still exists but the one in Denver certainly does. He never said the first clue was in the region. As he was a millionaire he was simply referring to another millionaire.

            Yes you turn into the rockies below the home of Brown If you are looking for the number one ranked hard trail that goes into the rockies. it starts in the place of heavy water also known as Waterton Canyon. All 432 miles of it.

          • You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f 
            Searchers have routinely revealed where they think the treasure was hidden and walked me through the process that took them on that course. That’s how I know a few have identified the first two clues. Although others were at the starting point I think their arrival was an aberration and they were oblivious to its connection with the poem. Playing a hunch is not worth much in the search and those who start out by looking for the blaze, are wasting their time.f
            *~ “Several months ago some folks correctly mentioned the first two clues to me in an email and then they went right past the other seven, not knowing that they had been so close.
            I mean people have figured the first couple of clues and unfortunately walked pass the treasure chest…

            Colon, How do you get around the above comments that searcher were at the first clues and walked , went right by, the other seven clues if the first two clues are in the ocean?

      • Yep and as a blaze it is telling you where to go. Look quickly down as in understand not quickly as in speed. up this creek between the bluff and the creek so you have about a half square mile I guess to search. It even tells you twice it is on the west side.

        The marvel gaze is sitting right there up the top.

        No further posts will be forthcoming.from em

  60. i checked out the tarryall area this spring, specifically x rock campground and twin eagles trail. no luck for me.

  61. I only shared all this because dal asked me too.I don’t follow this group so I cannot see things asked. Even if I am right it wont be easy. the terrain isn’t too hard but seeing things hidden for seven years might be. Put in below the home of Brown is telling you to turn into the Rocky mountains below there. It is no place for the meek is saying find the hardest way possible. I have given you enough there to go on. just be safe out there. For a million dollars some people could do quite a lot to get it. There are more important things. it is only a little bit of potential money after all.

    • It may be “only a little bit of potential money” to you, but to most of us, it is a GREAT BIG potential bunch of money. When I think about all of the lives that will be impacted in a positive way, by this “little bit of money” it almost takes my breath away..10 to 15,000 given to each of 35 members of my family plus paying off a mortgage or two, plus Uncle Sam – POOF – it is gone in a heartbeat. But I am planning on it happening. JDA

      • Hi JDA – Am I in the family circle of trust? Just kidding with you but I’m in agreement with you that’s fun to think about how to use or manage the treasure.

  62. Those of us who have not been BOTG can at least take comfort knowing that we are not among the select few that have walked past the treasure Lol.

  63. To whoever said this Several months ago some folks correctly mentioned the first two clues to me in an email and then they went right past the other seven, not knowing that they had been so close.
    I mean people have figured the first couple of clues and unfortunately walked pass the treasure chest…

    you are quite right that is exactly what he said. He never said they walked past the first two clues. he said they walked past the other seven.

    I only posted this as a favour to Dal and will not be posting any more on this site. And no I am not coming over to look myself, I do not bother with small change. Why he wanted me to post it I have no idea you would have to ask him.

    • So how do you get from Leadville (yes MBs house is still there…tourist trap)…or downtown Denver to Continental Divide Trail (CTD) at Waterton Canyon? That is the biggest leap ever, IMO, why not any other canyons, there are just as many difficult trails that eminate from Denver, but that one is well known sure. Seeker asked you to lay out the rest…you didn’t, so thanks for nuthin. Waterton over to Kenosha is far…but there are probably 270 creeks between them…why tarryall? just the name? come on man, people have been doing this for 7 years, you just jumped in and solved it huh? uggg. Off to look at maps again, nothing to see here.

    • Colin, thank you for your messages. They suggest to me
      that the search area is rather large. I don’t believe that FF
      intended it to be.

      I am very happy for you, knowing that the value of the
      Fenn trove, if liquidated, is “small change” to you. I expect
      it will fetch about $3 million or more. And I am also skeptical about you not posting any more on this site. It’s too habit-forming, in my opinion.

      In fact, all of the above is my opinion. Yours may differ.

  64. I may be one (among others) who walked past the treasure. I have one more trip planned into my solve area, and it is to explore the only part of my creek and canyon down, (below the home of Brown) which I missed previously.

    There is a blaze there which is amazing, and I never saw it when I was on the ground. It haunts me every day. It calls to me to return, and I know if I walked by it, I must go back to discover that I am one (among others) who walked by it, or not.

    Everything in my solve area matches everything Forrest has stated since he first hid the TC. I feel so stupid, and know now that I missed it (if I did miss it) because I got ahead of the poem. I went too soon and too fast.

    I will wait until after the 3 day weekend and check to see if Dal or JDA have solved it, or not. If they do not then I will return to my area shortly after I see the results. If they have solved it, and I am wrong, then it is well.

    God Speed and good fortune to everyone!


    • Franklin: without giving too much of your solution away, I am curious how you did not see the blaze from the ground on an earlier trip?

      • Stated simply, I was past the area where I should have been. I was too far below the home of Brown, and I did not see the blaze at all. Time and ignorance got in my way. Like I said, I was in a hurry to solve the blaze later, which proved to be a big mistake. Had I gone another 500 feet or so, I would have seen it. Even then, if I had seen it, I might not have recognized it. I am a perfect example of one who jumped too soon. It was an adventure anyway, but I have to go back if it is not solved this weekend.

        • Question Franklin. If you went too far past the Home of Brown, how is going anther 500 feet going to accomplish anything. ? Just curious. Reading your writings it sounds like you and I are heading for the same place. I’ve already been there, saw the “blaze” I believe to be the correct one. Unfortunately I was with a very impatient individual and couldn’t get to it. I too will reveal my resolve after next weekend. If Dal doesn’t find it first. Scotty

    • Thanks – I hope I can save you a trip – We shall see. Good luck to you if my team does not find it. JDA

      • And good luck to you and your team too. Your confidence gives me pause. There is always that little bit of “maybe I am wrong” in every solve, but for some reason this won’t leave my thoughts.

        • Again, good luck to you IF we do not find it. YES, I have confidence, born of 20 months of hard work, and 14 previous searches in my general area. Hopefully I have learned something. JDA

    • Franklin, I apologize for appearing so skeptical . . . but
      have you considered that if you walk completely around
      the building in which you live, that you have walked past
      the treasure?

      People tend to under-estimate Forrest Fenn. Please think in excruciating detail while working on your solve of the poem. Now, think in even MORE detail than that. It will
      take more analysis and logical thought than you might
      expect or believe . . . to achieve a correct solve. I spent
      more than 300 hours on solving the poem, then took 4
      hikes looking for the TC, and still haven’t found it. And
      EVERY solve for EVERY clue seemed totally bulletproof
      to me. Fortunately, I (after a year of trying to find any
      weakness in my solve) recently got it right, I believe.

      It was for good reason that the poem took so long to perfect.

      This will be explained in more detail shortly after the TC is
      found. I think it’ll happen next summer.

      The above is my opinion. Yours may differ.

      • Geez, TighterFocus, take a breather. Your keyboard is going to explode!

        And *only* 300 hours? Really? You’re just getting started. Talk to us when you pass 1000 hours. I doubt anyone has ever solved WWWH in less than that.

    • Hi Franklin.

      May I ask you which word you think is “key”?
      FF did say that one word “unlocks” (gives better focus) the poem. Did this occur for you, as FF stated?

      Cheers and good luck.

  65. Tommy

    I would rather wait until the next week goes forward. Then as I begin my final attempt I will reveal where I am going. If it is solved over the next few days, I will show everyone what I have been talking about. No matter how confident we are, there is always the possibility of being wrong,

    • Franklin: you have nothing to worry about. No one is going to find the chest this year. Search whenever you like.

      • Randawg: figured I was safe omitting that. Predictions about the future are clearly opinions, Zoso’s skills and Goofy’s Ouija board notwithstanding. 😉

        • Wait a minute zap….why throw me into the loop?

          I think I read somewhere…that we “are all gods”.


          Shhhhh….keep my powers out of this!!

          I don’t go around revealing your super powers, now do I?


  66. Ok so if you are speaking to me, then – IMHO

    Randawg and zaphod73491

    I am interested in your opinions on one thing: In your interpretation of the poem, do you believe that one must be “in the canyon down” BEFORE heading over to the location of “put in below the home of Brown,” or AFTER?

    I would seriously like to know your ideas on this..Many thanks!


    • Franklin,
      In my solve, the “canyon down” is below the “hoB”,
      so I would say After.


      • Thank you for responding. I appreciate it. In my solve I also “put in” after. That doesn’t mean I am correct, but it is my position. I have seen a lot of solve ideas that “take it in the canyon down” before they get “below the hoB”. There are so many possibilities where the clues seem to exist, but only one place is the correct place.

    • Hi Franklin: if I’m at my WWWH, I travel (in my car) in the “canyon down” all the way to where I “put in below the home of Brown.” After all, it’s too far to walk, right?

      • Zap, question, how do you interpret f’s after comment of: ” A polite-like email from Kristie, who admits to being a desk person, prompts me to say that if you are walking long distances in search of the treasure, you’re walking too far. f” ?
        Is it just a comment, or do you put “weight” into it?
        Just wondering really.

        For me, I believe f is basically reinforcing his NFBTFTW line in the poem. In a “double talk” way of saying it. Not a clue or anything, but when he’s in the canyon, hinting the fact that the searcher has a long walk ahead.

        I only ask because I see you have the hoB as your 3rd clue. That you drive to the 3rd clue. After the canton down, you put in below some hoB. This thought would not take into account of f’s after comment of walking a long distance after the canyon.

        Also, why can’t lil Indi do this same thing? Why can’t she put in? Do you “put in at a place that doesn’t allow children? I’m sure she can’t drive, but a taxi maybe? If it’s because she can’t drive, then she wouldn’t get to the canyon, which would mean she can’t get passed the second clue.

        Again, not nit picking, am just curious. Trying to understand another view that I can’t see. Not trying to understand your solve, just interpretation of certain things.

        • Remember Charlie: The term “put in” could be a waterway as in putting in a boat. Or it could also mean putting in your car, like a parking lot.This is a 78 year old man were talking about. He made several trips to the spot. So he was probably carrying abt 20lbs on his back. And he walked from his car. The only reason I can think as to why “lil indy” couldn’t put in was probably like the other idiots trying to get into the Rio Grande or some other raging river. I’m more than happy to discus the canyon thing after next week.
          I agree with Zaphod73941 about the 1000 hours. I inherited 700 of mine then added 300+ and 8 explorations. The last one hit the clues perfectly and match what Franklin is saying. The race is on 🙂

        • Hey Charlie,
          With all this talk about which comes first, the chicken or the egg, or the canyon or hoB… very little is talked about [ in combination ] to the perspective of clue references.
          Lets say, NFBTFTW is simply saying ‘not far’ no need to travel a long distance [ per the Q&A you posted If walking long distance, you’re walking “too far.” ].
          Could it be that too far to walk just finished the rhyming in the poem? Yet a subtle piece of information that says; don’t walk too far, you’re not far away?

          Could the ‘not far’ line also be looked at as, the waters travel farther, but you don’t? It seems to me that the ‘and’ is explaining… and the waters take in the canyon down… which could have a double meaning for perspective as “take in” [physically] meaning the waters, and, “take in” [viewing] as a viewing point from the location the searcher is at.

          Then we have a stand alone sentence. I think it might be important that fenn didn’t combine the prior lines with just adding a comma… which might indicate that the waters put in below a place [hoB] and the searcher’s “not far” from wwwh is hoB… another words… instead of being lead like a dog on a leash one step at a time… think about how that stanza could indicate that “Not Far” is saying the “put in” is where the waters put in at. Logically, in this perspective of observation… hoB would be up or slightly higher in elevation [ because gravity dictates the flow of water ].

          Now look at the ATF comments; If you knew what hoB is why be concern about wwwh~ and ~ if you knew what hoB is you’d go right to the chest…
          In this reading of the poem, hoB could be where the source of warm waters halt “and”
          “take it in the canyon down”… no circling effect, no traveling far, no car required, and yes, the clues are in order as presented in the poem and followed properly { IF hoB could be read as the place where the waters “put in below”

          The question now is; why “warm waters halt”? One consideration is warm waters are not liquid waters but frozen [ glacier, snow cap? ] “and” the frozen waters actually Take it in the canyon down… another words… help create the canyon. This idea changes the thought that “too far to walk” mean though time or the inching of the glacial ‘river’s’ movement over-time.

          IDK, maybe it’s just me… but I just can’t see any imagination or use of geography helping, by just locating the first clues and jump right back in a vehicle because too far to walk can only mean… we must drive.

          Side-note; lol, I would really like to see what a vehicle would look like in a 500 -1000 years. Maybe fenn should have said… too far to hover-board, just use the teleportation machine.
          Footnote; the automobile as only been around since 1880ish. Didn’t fenn say, he was born a hundred years to late? I wonder if too far to walk then, would mean horse and carriage?

          • What if…A searcher is at WWWH “and” said searcher needs to head on down the canyon a short distance…but there is a reason they cannot. So…there is a detour of sorts that requires them to travel around it and come from the other direction to “put in” below the home of Brown.
            This is a recurring scenario in my half baked theory….and also supports using one’s imagination to recognize that.
            Although I am not a staunch advocate of the vehicle necessity while travelling the clues…I can see both sides of the possibility.

          • Seeker. There is no need to physically go from clue to clue in order to retrieve the chest, in my opinion. The clues can be solved ahead of time per Fenn’s “proceed with confidence” statement. Once the location of the blaze is determined, the searcher can proceed directly to it’s location, without going to home of Brown or warm waters halt. The only way this would not be true is if there is only one way in and out to/from the treasure site that is through these two locations.

          • Ken,
            There are quite a few WhatIF scenarios. Like, What IF wwh is the location of hoB ~ being the blaze [need to nail down the first clue or stay home]..[ what is it about wwwh that stump the searchers on location? I think canyon down has fooled us to believe we need to travel a canyon.
            *~ Who else knows where the treasure is buried?
            I never said it was buried. I’ve avoided that word. I hid it. I don’t mean to imply that it isn’t buried. I just didn’t want to give that as a clue. It took me two trips in my car to hide the treasure. And I can tell you an 80-year-old man is not going to make a trip into a canyon, then come up and go down again. As for who else knows, I’m the only one. My wife doesn’t know. [… people celebrities]*

            Stanza 3 now takes you “From there” [hoB] to where the chest is.
            A place, a short distance away… maybe near an [dead] end or boundary area where you needed to travel a narrow passage, and all of stanza 2 and 3 refer to “Just’ heavy loads and water high.”

            Then stanza 4 would be describing stanza 3… If you’ve been wise and found the blaze… hoB in this case… Look quickly down ..or .. the three lines in stanza 3… to be the “in there’ fenn went to hide the chest.

            So what a searcher might be observing is… wwh comes from hoB and the waters travel down, but we travel up from hoB [ the blaze] where the searcher looks down and gaze at the short path to follow to the chest.
            [distance here may be unknown, but with in view from hoB]

            And if any of the above could work out… might stanza 6 be saying “in the wood” [ whatever this might refer to ] be the spot the chest lays in wait.
            There is a difference between follow as stomping point to point, which seems to force fit a must for 9 individual points, or to follow by understanding what is being said… which in the scenario above has 3 – 4 basic places… WWWH, HOB source? and the blaze, A short path that will lead to the chest… and all relates to heavy loads and water high.

            Relatively a small area [ but may need to hike a bit to get there ] 3 or 4 contiguous places [ connected and touching ] clues read in order presented in the poem, and 9 ‘clues’ interpreted or deciphered, with out force each clue to be a place.

            Does the scenario conflict in anyways to… if you know what hoB is you’d go right to the chest? Why little Indy “can not get closer” that the “first two clues”? If you know what hoB is, why be concern about wwwh? And why, If you’ve “been” wise and “found” the blaze…do this next step of instructions…Observe from the correct spot [ blaze, hoB ] to gaze at “you quest to cease.

            All I’m attempting to do here is understand what took fenn so long to tell us and get it right… and not so much wandering around nature twiddling my thumbs hoping a clue jumps out in front of me…
            But if you think about it, that is exactly what the poem has done. As fenn said; the poem has done its job.

            Ken, out of curiosity… what kind of “detour” are we talking? I mean, the detour needs to be a clue as well, imo, and be around for a long time to come, right?
            The first thing that pops into my head as a detour would be a elevation factor… s straight drop down, idea. But of so… why do we need to be up top at all ?… just go from our homes to hoB and skip wwwh altogether.

          • Tom,
            In theory… and I agree with one way in and out [ which seems to match “in there” imo ]. Yet, are we only to “observe” a map or do we need to observe something in the field that a map doesn’t do.

            All the Information to “find” the chest is in the poem… does that mean there is nothing at all in the field need to be seen/viewed/gaze at, aligned or found?
            And, what do we need to “plan” for?
            I mean, if we have “found” the blaze at hoB… sure we can go to that. but the poem has us looking and gazing for our quest to cease… is this where the planning stage of the challenge kicks in?

            LOL the only planning I hear about is packing a snack and flashlight…

          • Seeker. If you have figured out what the blaze is and approximately where it is located on a map, then you could drive and walk to the site. All that would be required at that point is to visually locate the blaze and search the immediate area for the treasure.

          • Tom B;

            You make it sound so simple. Were it as simple as you lay it out to be, it would have been found years ago. I think that you need to think a little deeper my friend – JDA

          • Tom,

            I have to agree with JDA, you make it sound so simple…
            In just the last couple days I can count almost dozen searcher who know what or where or have found the blaze. You’d a thunk that some would have found the chest if it’s right there [or within 12′ and know it].

            Maybe you can explain to me [ cuz i’m lost ] after all the “thinking” and “analyzing” and the certainty beforehand present itself… what, why, when and how do we “Plan” and “observe”… why are we told to be able to walk several hours to our solve – twice [ make to trips ]… I mean, how lazy are the Texan’s kids that they can’t help carry some of the loot back to the Pickup?

            Seriously… how many in the military personnel [ retired or active ] have carried 80lb backpack, walk or jogged 10- 20 miles… How many recreational hikers carry 40 plus lbs backpacks and hike for days… How many construction guys carry bundles of roofing shingles up and down ladders all day long…?

            Why the repeating/need of two trips-?- especially if we leave our search partner is the car?
            There’s notta simple or easy about this challenge.

          • very nice, Seeker. I will comment on this but am heading to a casino. I like your thoughts, I can actually see it fitting with what I got. So many possible ways to approach this puzzle. The NFBTFTW line seems to me as him telling us what we need to walk. The ATF comment seems to reassure, but I see what you’re saying. We all know f loves his “double-talk”, and, to keep with this post title, I think the blaze is the same way. Lol, didn’t want to get too far off topic. Will post tomorrow.

        • Hi Charlie:

          “How do you interpret f’s after comment of: ‘A polite-like email from Kristie, who admits to being a desk person, prompts me to say that if you are walking long distances in search of the treasure, you’re walking too far. f” ?
          Is it just a comment, or do you put “weight” into it? Just wondering really.”

          I take it 100% at face value. That if your solution involves walking long distances, it’s wrong.

          “For me, I believe f is basically reinforcing his NFBTFTW line in the poem. In a “double talk” way of saying it. Not a clue or anything, but when he’s in the canyon, hinting the fact that the searcher has a long walk ahead.”

          I don’t see how to interpret it that way. It seems so straightforward to me: when the poem says “… take it in the canyon down,
          not far, but too far to walk” it just says to me that you head down the canyon a particular distance, and while it is not especially far, the distance is far enough that you wouldn’t want to walk it. Why walk when you can drive?

          “I only ask because I see you have the hoB as your 3rd clue.”

          It would only be my 3rd clue if “take it in the canyon down” is not a clue. But I treat that as a clue because heading down the canyon I believe is taking me closer to the treasure chest. If I’m standing at WWWH, that is not the only option. There are plenty of other directions I could head from there. But canyon down is unambiguous, and therefore I think by Forrest’s own definitions I have to count that as a clue. And if that’s the case, then HoB would be my clue #4, because “not far, but too far to walk” is definitely a critical clue in my solution.

          “Also, why can’t lil Indi do this same thing? Why can’t she put in?”

          She doesn’t know where to put in because she does not have the proper resource to decode NF, BTFTW. Her map of the entire U.S. Rockies doesn’t have the necessary detail. Or at least that’s how I interpret Forrest’s answer to Jenny’s question.

          • Thanks Zap, will get back to you…But one thing, why is f not sure if 4 clues have been solved? He knows the clues, if someone told him where they were, wouldn’t he know? It’s either correct or not. No question on f’s side.But, he’s not sure, why?

            My 4th clue is the blaze, I can totally see why he would be not sure. Hate to leave you hanging, will post about is tomorrow, or if luck is on the girlfriends side, will post Tuesday. Thanks again…

          • Hi Charlie,

            “why is f not sure if 4 clues have been solved? He knows the clues, if someone told him where they were, wouldn’t he know? It’s either correct or not.”

            Just a theory, but perhaps someone in an email to Forrest rattled off a bunch of place names without providing all their reasoning behind choosing them. Maybe they got four of them right, but without the underlying logic Forrest couldn’t be sure if they were truly solved or just lucky guesses.

        • charlie, please, Please, PLEASE don’t give
          another thought to “lile Indi”. Any discussion
          of this hypothetical person is just a rabbit hole.

          Forrest must be laughing quite a bit to himself, knowing how distracting this has become for so many people.

          All my opinion. Any questions? PM me on
          the other popular blog.

  67. Glaciers. Ice and snow.

    Mix with some celestial ‘ingredients’, and think of all of the stories that could be told! Timeless.

    I like it.

  68. nfbtftw imo starts at wwwh and it ends at the end- for me -it- is a map – if you start at the bottom of the -i- going up is the creek -wwwh and the period is hob- the -t- is the canyon and the road and that takes you to the x on the map- so start at wwwh-it- take it in the canyon to the x take a left to hob from hob make a -u- back to the x and continue to put in below (north) to the chest from beginning to the end is not far but to far to walk – hope you can under stand what im saying this is all an opinion
    Ken – i agree with you on your comment above if i can drive why walk

  69. this how I under stand it – the way of travel to the chest
    1- wwwh
    2- hob
    3- hlwh
    4- blaze
    5- in the wood
    – tc jmo

      • hey pdenver glad to hear from you- these are only places – but what I think you are asking is this once you found the blaze – look quickly down to me means that its a little farther away – and that would be to terry scant with marvel gaze – and your efforts would be worth to go north (cold) of in the wood and that’s where he left his trove for all to seek jmo again good to hear from you

        • Hello frank. Thank you for explaining your thoughts. It’s nice to correspond with you, and to listen to your views.

        • (Second try.) Thank you for explaining your thoughts, frank. It’s nice to discuss your views with you.

          • youre welcome pdenver – I have always said that what you will be looking for at the end of the wood is the omega – that would be a round pit with in there (hole in the wall )and to me stanza one says that but that’s my opinion- frank

  70. JDA. You said: “You make it sound so simple. Were it as simple as you lay it out to be, it would have been found years ago. I think that you need to think a little deeper my friend – JDA”

    It is simple, IF you know what the blaze is and where it is. I am not stating, or implying, that it is simple to determine what the blaze is and where it is located. The fact that the treasure has not been found is proof enough that it is not easy to find the blaze.

    • I do believe, however, that many of us, if we were given the physical location of the starting point (warm waters halt), could solve the remaining clues and find the treasure. The primary difficulty, as I see it, is determining the starting point with confidence.

      • Tom – Tom – how naive!

        Twenty months ago I decided on my wwwh – and I have NOT changed it during those 20 months. I have made 14 searches to the same general area – NO INDULGENCE!! I MAY, at last, be getting close – we will soon see… none of these 20 months and 14 trips have been wasted. I have learned something each and every month, and each and every trip.

        Forrest has talked about who might find the treasure. He says: “”A family that is joined together and gone out lookin’ for the treasure four or five or ten or 50 times,” he replied. “Take a tent and sleeping bags and your fishing pole and go out looking. That was my primary motive.” He says it will not be found on a Sunday drive, or a summer break (It will take time)

        What do I know – I still consider myself a Nubie – JDA

        • My thinking is that if warm waters halt is correctly located, the other clues will not be that difficult. Thus, my opinion is that you must not have the correct starting point. I’m certainly not wishing you bad luck, just my opinion.

          • No offense taken – I hope that the “Correct Solve” is as easy for you as you hope it to be – Good luck – JDA

          • There are thousands of possible blazes, or maybe a million in the 4 States. I believe one must have other clues to combine first, then look at blazes. Did you locate a home of Brown? A canyon down? Will you start from the bottom up, or from the top down?

    • TomB: I’ve known WWWH for over a year (at least I “know” it to my satisfaction and will never consider another spot), but you’ll notice I’m not uploading pictures of myself rummaging through the chest’s contents. 😉 Plenty of people have figured out WWWH (some of them a LONG time ago) and yet they are all equally Indulgence-less. Yes, solving the starting point is not easy, but it is hardly a cakewalk after that, as evidenced by the continued failures.

      • I will respond the same as I did to JDA. My thinking is that if warm waters halt is correctly located, the other clues will not be that difficult. Thus, my opinion is that you must not have the correct starting point. I’m certainly not wishing you bad luck, just my opinion.

      • Tom B — you are mistaken, and did not address the fact that at least several people had correctly solved WWWH many years ago. If you think the clues are easy after WWWH, explain how those others have all failed?

        • zaphod. First of all, you need to watch your language. You do NOT know that I am mistaken.!!

          Second, It’s easy to explain how searchers walked past the treasure. Obviously, they did not KNOW they had the correct warm waters halt!!!

          There is a Fenn quote that I can dig up if I need to, that says something about needing to move with confidence to within several steps of the treasure to have a specific solve. These searchers certainly did not know where the blaze is (or would not have walked past it).

        • Tom B.: let’s be clear — you offered this opinion: “My thinking is that if warm waters halt is correctly located, the other clues will not be that difficult.”

          7 years of failure by over 100,000 people amply demonstrates that you are mistaken about the difficulty of clues 2-9. Your defense is that none of the many people who have solved WWWH knew it. Then why were so many of them there?? Why does Forrest say some may have solved 4 clues but he’s not certain? I say that at least some of them *did* know it — enough so that they flew or drove hundreds or thousands of miles specifically to be there. But even if they didn’t know it, they were still THERE! So why does it matter? According to your view, shouldn’t being there be enough to figure out the rest of the clues, even if you aren’t certain it’s the right WWWH?

          No, the reason most of them failed is that they didn’t solve “Not far, but too far to walk.” IMO, they all thought it was a vague distance, and possibly not even a clue at all. I claim they are wrong. It could be the hardest clue in the poem, and again in my opinion if you can’t solve that clue from home, you’re not going to solve it standing at WWWH. I certainly would not have spent thousands of dollars to travel there if I didn’t know exactly what
          WWWH was, what the canyon was, and what NF,BTFTW was.

          • Zaphod. I will let Forrest respond to your posting with a quote:

            “There are several people that have deciphered the first two clues. I don’t think they knew it because they walked right on past the treasure chest.”

            Forrest is saying that it DOES matter that you have solved the clue, not just that you happened to be at the correct starting point.

          • Also, please give us your reference for stating that many people have solved where warm waters halt.

          • Tom B
            Here is one of a couple of quotes that Forrest has posted:

            Mr. Fenn:  In the past when you have said that several people had figured out the first two clues and then went right past the other clues, would you say that they got lucky and just happened to go to the correct starting area, not fully understanding the poem, or would you say that they did indeed solve the first two clues by understanding the poem and clues? C
            Searchers have routinely revealed where they think the treasure was hidden and walked me through the process that took them on that course. That’s how I know a few have identified the first two clues. Although others were at the starting point I think their arrival was an aberration and they were oblivious to its connection with the poem. Playing a hunch is not worth much in the search and those who start out by looking for the blaze, are wasting their time.f – JDA

          • Here is another:


            Forrest, you have stated that several searchers correctly identified the first two clues in your poem. Could you tell us how many searchers to your knowledge have correctly identified the first clue correctly? Thanks. ~49 Dollars
            No 49, I cannot tell you how many searchers have identified the first clue correctly, but certainly more than several. I cannot imagine anyone finding the treasure without first identifying the starting point, although many seem to be preoccupied with later clues. To me that’s just expensive folly. f – JDA

          • Tom B

            Your question (and my answers) would better be placed under WWWH thread, and not here under The Blaze – JDA

          • Tom B: Ah, but Forrest also said “Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.” And yet he also said that the person who finds the treasure will move with confidence; that nothing about it will be accidental. I would say those two comments illustrate Forrest’s definition of certainty. Certainty is possession of Indulgence; you cannot know that any part of your solution is absolutely correct without the confirmation of that bronze box. But I think you’ll agree that that kind of certainty is unachievable.

            Instead, you have to settle for some high level of confidence in WWWH at the very least to even leave the canasta game. Obviously there are a lot of deluded people out there that set their confidence bar too low, because most of them are searching in the wrong states. Nevertheless, I think you underestimate the confidence of the searchers that Forrest has said “deciphered the first two clues” or “may have solved the first four clues.” Do you think the possible 4-clue folks just got lucky? I don’t. Remember: Forrest said nothing about it will be accidental.

        • Yes, Aaron — enough so that having figured it out 15 months ago, I would never consider changing it. Forrest has said if you don’t have that first clue nailed down, there’s no point leaving home to search for the treasure. That I don’t have Indulgence is not because I haven’t solved WWWH. I think people may underestimate the difficulty of the later clues.

  71. Seeker. See my reply above to JDA as it applies to your comments as well. Some searchers THINK they have found the actual blaze. But, until they have searched their site and returned with the treasure, no-one knows for sure. I will say again, it should be simple to find the treasure IF you know where the blaze is. There is a quote from Fenn that says something to the effect that he cannot imagine someone finding the blaze and not finding the treasure. So, it’s SIMPLE once you find the blaze.

    • Tom,
      I could be wrong, but, what you said; ‘…cannot imagine someone finding the blaze and not finding the treasure.’
      Might be about the 12′ comment that was running a muck around the blogs… which was close to what you said but was about being 12′ from the chest and so much the blaze.

      Do you have the comment you’re talking about and can you post it? Like I said I could be wrong… but it’s Sunday and I just don’t want to think that hard. Maybe I’ll go on a picnic!

      • PS… Sure, if we knew for a fact any of the clues we probably have a winner by now.

        … if you knew what hoB is you’d go right to the chest
        … you can’t drive down the road and look for the blaze.
        … can’t start in the middle of the poem and look for the blaze. That would be a miracle.
        … if you don’t have the first clue nailed down, stay home.
        … What… clue? Just one Serge, the last one. f

        • Mr. Forest,
          I was just wondering. If I can find the blase, why should I worry about where warm waters halt? All I need to do is look “quickly down” like the poem says, and there is the treasure, right? ~ Philadelphia Franklin

          That’s correct Philly, but that’s not a plausible scenario. If you can find a fish already on your hook you needn’t go fishing, right?

          What’s not a plausible scenario? Finding the blaze before WWWH, or finding the treasure by simply “looking down” from the blaze?

          • Both in my mind.
            We can’t find the correct blaze out of all the billions [ even in a relatively small area ] with out clues to lead us there, to the one and only.
            As philly said; ‘Looking down from the blaze’ doesn’t give any further details other than we need to gaze… how far? Gaze at what? how long? [ think scant answers that, but that’s just me]

            If you “find” a fish on your line… find the blaze?… You needn’t go fishing, right? Could it be we need to cast that line out and catch a bigger fish, cuz all we really have is a ‘blaze’, right?

            We still don’t know ~ ‘and there is the chest, right?’ ~ distance from when the poem tells us to look quickly down and gaze.
            Is this where we need to observe or even plan for?

            Quickly, may not be a movement as much as another usage of “thinking” where as gaze means study, stare, steady or [steadily], to watch.
            Look down -think -watch

          • Isn’t logical, that to understand the blaze, we first must identify wwwh and the other clues?

            I’ve tried to shoot that theory down, but haven’t been able to succeed.

  72. Seeker. You said: “why are we told to be able to walk several hours to our solve – twice”

    I would like to know your source for that information. I recall a quote from Forrest that essentially says your solution is wrong if you can’t walk make two round trips within reasonable time (paraphrasing). But that would represent a maximum, not a minimum for the distance to walk. My personal belief is that you can drive to within a half mile of the treasure.

    • Really? Tom.
      Maybe it would serve you better to read the “Fundamental Guidelines” at the top of the page.

      • Seeker. If this is the quote you are referencing from Fundamental Guidelines: “If you can’t make two trips from your car to your solve in several hours, then don’t go.”, then you need to reconsider your comments. This statement in NO WAY indicates that walking a considerable distance is required. Again, Fenn is giving a MAXIMUM, not a minimum!!

      • We all have out opinions, and that is great. Sorry, my solve can not support driving that close. Time will tell for someone – JDA

  73. Seeker:

    Here is a quote from
    This is not the exact quote I was looking for, but I believe it indicates that the treasure should be easily found (obvious) if the blaze is located.

    “Mr. Fenn: How far is the chest located from the blaze? ~ casey

    Casey, I did not take the measurement, but logic tells me that if you don’t know where the blaze is it really doesn’t matter. If you can find the blaze though, the answer to your question will be obvious. Does that help?f”

    • Tom that Q&A doesn’t really say the same as ‘he cannot imagine someone finding the blaze and not finding the treasure. So, it’s SIMPLE once you find the blaze.’

      I put up other comments [ paraphrasing ] and one of them states if you knew what hoB is you go right to the chest. An another was a Q&A from serge about which clue fenn would want… the last one.

      So I’ll as you… how can hoB takes us right to the chest, if the blaze is umm, suspected [ lack of a better word ] takes us right to the chest. I mean, if the blaze is the “last clue” why is it in the middle of a 24 lines poem and all the words in the poem are deliberate? Serious question…

      • If it’s “obvious” how far it is to the treasure once you are at the blaze, then you know where the treasure is. Logically, you cannot know the distance unless you know the location.

        • Tom B;

          I think that it is possible to know the location of the blaze. The blaze is a “Marker” that may give you information about where the treasure is secreted – this information may divulge distance in one way or another. That distance may be far (feet – yards – hundreds of yards) or near ( inches {or less} or feet) – onlt Forrest knows, and last I heard, “He ain’t talkin'” JDA

          • JDA,Seeker,Anyone else. I left a comment on In The Wood page recently and that page seems to be not very active. Take a peek and let me know what you think. Too much poetic license? Build it up or knock it down, always looking for validation and at the same time open to different opinions.

          • I will just say again, if the distance from the blaze to the treasure is OBVIOUS, then (logically) the location of the treasure has to be obvious.

          • Hi Tom B….welcome to a world where things are hidden in plain sight.


            Good luck to you.

          • Tom B;

            Please read you quote again: ““Mr. Fenn: How far is the chest located from the blaze? ~ casey

            Casey, I did not take the measurement, but logic tells me that if you don’t know where the blaze is it really doesn’t matter. If you can find the blaze though, the answer to your question will be obvious. Does that help?f”

            Let me take the liberty of removing a couple of the words in the quote:
            “Mr. Fenn: How far is the chest located from the blaze? ~ casey

            Casey, I did not take the measurement, but logic tells me that . . . you can find the blaze . . ., the answer to your question will be obvious. Does that help?f”

            As you can easily see, once the “Distractions” have been removed, Forrest’s answer contains only vague references to a distance. He says – IF you find the blaze, the distance to the treasure will be obvious. Dependent on what the blaze is, that distance could be millimeters – or miles! Don’t ya’ think? Just askin’ JDA

        • In my opinion, the TC is right there at the blaze. He said if we have found the correct blaze, then it will be obvious. The blaze in my solve has a shape, and it has rocks and trees all around it. I believe I will find the TC very near it, or maybe right inside it. I guess it could be a few feet from it, but I doubt it. JMHO

          • JDA – I still have 2 blazes in my solve but the 1st one points to the 2nd one, and the 1st may or may not be part of his final TC location. My 2nd blaze is much more THE blaze due to its specific location. I have discovered a lot this weekend.


      • Quote found on tarry scant page

        Mr. Forest, I was just wondering. If I can find the blase, why should I worry about where warm waters halt? All I need to do is look “quickly down” like the poem says, and there is the treasure, right? ~ Philadelphia Franklin

        That’s correct Philly, but that’s not a plausible scenario. If you can find a fish already on your hook you needn’t go fishing, right? Don’t force those kinds of aberrational thoughts on yourself or you’ll likely walk back to your car with a very light back pack. f

        This one does seem to indicate blaze being 8th clue with 9th being the TC is right below it.

        As far as seeker asks about words being deliberate it is possible stanza one helps with WWWH.

        Stanza 5 he can be deliberately in saying almost exactly what it seems to say. Why did I hide a treasure? The answer is I have lived my life and it wore me out, I am not done but it is near the end.

        Stanza 6 starting with listen good and ending with written transfer of ownership, sounds deliberate and important.

  74. My above comment as it relates to earlier NFBTFTW comments was to present a possible scenario that may explain why folks went on by the remaining clues.
    Seeker…what if a searcher was at WWWH and the canyon(forget up/down or elevation) and there was a boundary that required travelling around it. Would that not be a fair explanation that HOB was close in proximity(not far) to WWWH…but too far to walk to it(HOB). Once the searcher went around the detour/boundary/? and approached from another angle, could it then be possible to “put in below” HOB ?…and still be in close proximity to the target area ? This seems reasonable and can take a lot of mystery out of many comments and ambiguity. This could be another pointer toward the “planning and thinking before hand” as well. One might need a “Good map” to see this scenario. My area of interest has WWWH less than 2 miles from HOB…but significantly more to actually get there… without possible issues. This also could support a one way in…one way out thought process, and lends good support to a few other ATF comments as well.
    And Tom B…The starting point is absolutely the primary concern…

    • Ken,
      Plausible sure… do you think fenn followed the clues like that?
      I’m not trying to be a hard-ass. I’m trying to make most sense out of the ATF comment [check and balance, idea] that may help with understanding the poem.
      Then again… I don’t think “follow” and “lead” are what many think they are.
      Or, at this moment in time, I don’t think “all the information is to find the chest is in the poem” to mean – we can eliminate the information of “containing 9 clues” and fenn’s “rainbow,” nor “in the mountains N. of SF”… so I have to ponder the possibility that the book may hold a very important piece of information… maybe the “important possibility” fenn talked about.

      lol… I feel like an elephant trying to play; mountain goat king of the hill.

      • Seeker: Take a step back relax breathe. For a moment become indifferent, unimpressed or be just a little…


        • I’m I buggy you? It’s a web page to chat about the same interest that other folks have… You don’t have to like my ideas, theories, BSing… Heck, I don’t think there’s a rules you need to read them.
          Besides, it’s Sunday… the honeydew list is done, wife is out of town, and later I’m gonna go out from a big fat bacon chez-burger and fries… @ hooters. Best buns and curly’s in town…

      • Seeker…it is quite plausible that Fenn could have “followed the clues like that”. This scenario could also explain why folks went right on by the rest of the clues, not to mention why Little Indie couldn’t get past the first 2 clues. I like to think about “Borders”, “”borderline biddies”, “Do Not Touch” signs, crossing the street and barbed wire, just to name a few indicators that lend credence to my theory. You’re not a hard ass seeker…at least not by my definition or experiences….but you do remind me a little of an acquaintance that just passed this week. He was a lawyer/socialist/professional protester that was a founder of the Liberty Union party in my state. He was an affable fellow, that knew how to question just about anything under the sun. In earlier times he and B. Sanders were thick as thieves…but that isn’t going to help us solve Fenn’s poem, much less what the heck the “blaze” is.
        It might even be plausible that I may be onto the “important possibility”.
        Have fun @ hoovers…!

  75. JDA. You said: “Forrest’s answer contains only vague references to a distance. He says – IF you find the blaze, the distance to the treasure will be obvious. Dependent on what the blaze is, that distance could be millimeters – or miles! Don’t ya’ think? Just askin’ JDA”

    Exactly. Forrest is not telling us how far it is from the blaze to the treasure. And it really doesn’t matter. If it is OBVIOUS how far it is (whatever that distance may be), then the location is known. Otherwise, the distance cannot be obvious.

    • Think about what a “blaze” is designed to do.It marks the exact location of something. When I was in the Army setting mine fields and marking trails to bypass them, if they weren’t exact? somebody on our side is gonna die. I cannot think of a single reason for setting up a blaze that could set off an Easter egg hunt. FF knows this. He being an outdoors kinda guy and all. He also would know about what type of blaze to set. It won’t be a neon sign just waiting for someone to happen by. It will, if done right, be 1. blend with the natural surroundings.2.something that will last a long time. 3.Right on top (within a few feet) of the treasure.So it can’t be something that can be trampled by wild animals and somewhat whether durable. Your more than likely going to be right on top of it before you recognize what it is. If the blaze is any further than 10ft from the treasure I take back all the good things I assume about ffl. A blaze in the true nature of it being marks the exact location. Not a proximity. Just sayin

  76. mybe we should be looking for a land formation that looks like flames – fire – blaze – flames

    • Frank. You said: “maybe we should be looking for a land formation that looks like flames – fire – blaze – flames”

      Interesting idea. But, i don’t think the blaze will be that obvious. While it’s true that a blaze is something that “stands out”, I believe that the blaze that Forrest is referring to may only stand out if you understand the meaning of the blaze (as intended by Forrest), that to those that do not understand the meaning, the blaze would blend into the surroundings as a natural object or formation.

      • In my “long” solve I have a waterfall that looks like something else, and is one of my blazes – so yes and no. When others look at my waterfall, they may not see what I see – Just musin’ JDA

      • I completely agree Tom B. Yes it has to be a special Blaze for him, and it is in the exact location where he intended to end his days. Then he got better. I’m very glad he got better of course, but now I think I know this entire area is so special to him. Emphasis on “I think I know.” IMHO

    • Funny, I originally thought of the blaze as I just mentioned but I also thought of the side of a rock mountain when the sun is setting. Almost looks as though it’s on fire. Or the remnants of a fire as you mentioned.I also thought of a Smokey the Bear sign when ff said ppl weren’t looking at the “big picture”. Problem was that you could be anywhere within 50 miles and see the side of a mountain. The forest re-rejuvenates it’s self, And I haven’t seen a Smokey sign in many years. Wonder where they all went?

  77. Tom glad to hear your opinion -and my comment is not meant for every one to agree with – that for me is my blaze – if it helps anyone that’s good if not that’s ok too

    • Thank you for sharing, Michael. I have come across several of these recently in my wanderings in the Rockies and have wondered about these as a possible blaze as well. Here is another article I found on-line with links to a specific book and DVD about these trees in much more detail. According to the article, the elders’ stories about these trees is in danger of being lost forever, so I think it’s good that some are making efforts to make records of these and preserving what ones remain:

      • Blex

        Both articles are very compelling. Not many have discussed a tree as a blaze, but in the Rockies there are several types of trees that live for thousands of years. One example is Bristlecone Pine. Another is the Rocky Mountain Dwarf Conifer.

        • At least the Utes used a combination of both bent “prayer trees” and the traditional blazes of gouging marks into tree trunks to mark trails.

          I’m not ruling out the blaze being related to a tree, but logic seems to tell me that the blaze is related to something more permanent than a tree. But I do check trees on my BOTG searches nonetheless!

          • While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it is still there. FF

            That quote tells me it is not a tree which would be easy in a variety of ways from man or nature to no longer be there.

  78. A question for those of you that believe the Blaze is some sort of large physical feature visible from GoogleEarth: If the Blaze is something that large which directs you to a specific search area, how do you think you are supposed to find the Chest when doing a BOTG search? Do you suppose that there is a second, more localized Blaze at a human scale? Or is there another element in poem that you latch onto during BOTG in order to find the Chest?

    I took a try on my most recent search using a GE-visible Blaze, and thought while I searching: “What am I looking for now that I’ve already identified the Blaze?” Finding the location of a 10″X10″ chest even in a narrowed-down area is quite a task without some sort of localized marker that would stick out.

    I always try to keep an open mind about the nature of the Blaze, but in my opinion it must be something at a human scale not visible from GE, or else there must be two Blazes at different scales. What do you think?

    • Hi Blex – IMO the blaze can’t be seen or found with BOTG. It only becomes known after careful study of the poem and a good map. The blaze isn’t going anywhere and will be around for a very long time.

    • Blex;

      In answer to your question. As you know, I see the architecture of the poem as being a circle. Let’s say that lap one of the poem takes you to the “Large Physical Feature” blaze, but then, after looking quickly down, you find no treasure…. What are you to do? The answer Forrest gave was: ““If you don’t know where it is, go back to the first clue.” f

      So, you start over with the poem, but your new starting point is where you stand – at or near the “Large Physical Feature” blaze. Find a NEW wwwh etc., and ultimately, you will be led to a quite small “Localized” blaze(s) that point directly to where Indulgence is secreted.

      I may be full of yesterday’s supper, but this is how I see the poem, and how I answer your question. JDA

      • Thanks for sharing, JDA. I remember you mentioning how you interpreted the poem as circular in form, but this really clarifies for me what you have been saying. The particular quote from Forrest that you used to substantiate your idea makes perfect sense to me. Very interesting, and I’ll keep that idea in mind.

    • Blex. Cold, brave, and in the wood direct you a specific location for the treasure once you are at the blaze, as I see it.

    • Blex, this will be different, my blaze isn’t seen right off. In fact, the only thing visible is marvel gaze. It’s a reference to Andrew Marvell’s poem Upon Appleton House which has 97 stanzas. I have a campfire in a circle, wood outside of it, a “Y” stick, and the whole thing looks like a 97.

      The throw off part is that this isn’t the blaze, the blaze is the landscape behind the 97. Taking a picture of the area, then taking that picture and flipping it horizontally in a pic program, then paste a layer of the original pic and take down to 50% opacity reveals the blaze in the landscape. Lol, confused, so was I, but it’s a good blaze. From the landscape you get: owl, alligators, arrowhead, longhorn skull shadow, coffin, mushroom, grail, and a jester/joker, believe it or not. Only at this spot does the landscape do this.

      That’s the wise part, a lot of f’s pics you can do this and see f having fun. The TFTW map will produce an ‘X’ by doing this. What’s your e-mail, I will show. If it’s not the blaze, it is a good example of what we need to look for, because it will definitely throw the searcher off.

      • Hard enough trying to decipher Forrest Fenn’s poem, much less trying to figure out some of the solutions posted. How about a latitude/longitude first; then a story. I’m two old to figure out puzzles of searcher descriptions. In fact, I’m out of the search altogether until 2018 because of a teaching schedule. Maybe I can crowdsource the class…..hmmmm

      • Wow, Charlie! That sounds like quite a series of mental hoops you are jumping through, but I am interested in seeing an image. Don’t email to me personally though if you are willing to share; just post it here to show it off to everyone. I’m interested to see, but at the same time am quite doubtful that you would be giving away any significant information related to the hiding spot.

        • yup, sorry Blex, I tried. Gave Dal a copy to post but he felt it was easily destroyed so he didn’t post. Too bad he was talking about marvel gaze, the blaze even threw him off. Lol, it’s okay Dal, I was there and I didn’t see it. Dal, if you still have the pic, post it. I’ll take all the heat, until I show the actual answer. Yes Dal, the campfire wasn’t the blaze,:).

        • Nope, no major reveal with the blaze. Just another way to see what we may not think about or expect. The only way I see him using this is he must have had a picture of the landscape, and playing around like he does with pics, found something he could use with his stories. Plus the fact that it would throw everyone off. It’s not pointing the way or anything, it’s more like, ‘if you figured this out, your doing fine so far”. At least that’s how I see it. The camp fire, marvel gaze, looks like a 97. The 7 is made up of a long “stick” that looks like a “Y”. That “Y’ is what you pick up and move on. It’s what you use at the coordinates. At least, that’s what my solve says. Whatever the case, right or wrong, it’s a real crafty ‘blaze”, I just got lucky.

  79. My opinion, based on my solve area, is that the blaze is likely a rock shape in the area, visible at ground level. While it may be visible on GE, the shape at ground level might be more identifiable at ground level than up above. When you do see it, the goosebumps will come. It might be very big, or not. He says you must be “wise” to find it.

    I need wisdom – Franklin

    • So, Franklin, what does “Be wise” mean?

      1) notice the tense – If you’ve been wise…” Past tense, so If you have been wise yesterday, or some other day in the past, and found the blaze…” where might you have been? How about when you read or saw something in TTOTC.? Now, with BotG – you see something that brings this memory back, and you KNOW that it is the blaze.

      Why wise? Think about an owl – doesn’t an owl always pick the highest point possible, from which he can scan his hunting area? Maybe you also need to pick a high point from which to “Look down” on your blaze, to make sure where it is pointing – Just something to chew on – JDA

    • I think you will find that the treasure is IN the blaze. I am not prepared to reveal more at this time, so just consider the various possibilities that would fit that statement.

        • Frank. I believe the blaze is quite large (which is why it can be identified on satellite view), and that “in the wood” takes you to the specific location of the treasure within the blaze. If I am correct, I will explain fully in the book. Lol

          • That would shoot down my GE Blaze if that were the case, for it is definitely not in an EYOMF (Eighty-year-old-man-friendly) location!

      • I also agree Tom B. It is a strong possibility the TC is in the blaze or under one side of it imagine a rock Blaze with a tree growing next to it, the roots exposed under one side along with smaller rocks, and the TC poking out just enough to be seen. You crawl in under the raised area and then you are brave (under a side of the rock) and in the wood too. Just my fantasy

        • The blaze is meant to throw the searcher off. Since that is the case, do you really think f used the obvious? How about you cannot see the blaze, even if you are right in front of it? That would seem to be a scenario that would throw the searcher off.

          I’ll take f at his word on this one. The blaze is meant to throw the searcher off, expect the unexpected. Your not going to drive around and find the blaze.
          You probably won’t find the blaze before you find WWWH. If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, not see the blaze, found.

          • You won’t see it unless you know what you are looking for. The other clues will guide you to the blaze.

          • The other clues will lead you to the vicinity – the “Word that is Key” will tell you what to look for – IMHO – JDA

          • JD. Do you also believe the blaze (or blazes) is/are something that only stands out if you know what to look for?

          • “Stands out” – well, let’s just say that you will have to know what you are looking beforehand. – JDA

          • nowhere in the poem does it say what the blaze looks like. There are other ways to find the blaze spot, but nothing tells you what it looks like. Since you won’t know if you have the right clues until you find the chest, the theory of the other clues or the key telling you what to look for, or what it looks like has very little weight IMO. We are not looking for it, we need to find it. You look down from it to see something.

          • We each have a right to our own views Charlie – It is obvious we differ. Because of what the searcher has already discovered in the poem, this knowlege (no d) gives him/her insight into the word that is key, which then tells the searcher what to look for as the final blaze(s) – JDA

          • Charlie. Remember, Forrest said if you solve all nine clues, it would lead you precisely to the treasure. So, unless you don’t consider the blaze to be a clue, Forrest’s comment says, to me, that the blaze can be solved beforehand.

          • The fact that Forrest has also told us that searchers have solved several clues and yet walked past the treasure also supports the theory that they passed by the blaze without recognizing it as such. Thus, it is entirely possible that you have to have figured out what the blaze is, in order to regognize it when BOTG.

          • Tom B

            Even if you have figured out WHAT it is, you have to know EXACTLY WHERE it is supposed to be – and then possibly you will need someone with young eyes to spot it. If it stuck out like a sore thumb, it could possibly be stumbled upon, so…“The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with confidence. Nothing about it will be accidental. ”

            Also: “Forrest once said: “I have not said that a searcher was closer than 12’ from the treasure. It is not likely that anyone would get that close and not find it.” – Please note that Forrest DID NOT say, “It is not likely that anyone would get that close and not SEE it,”
            The clues will have led the searcher to within 12′ IMO JDA

          • JDA, keep in mind that Forrest said that a “searcher” would not get within 12′ and not find it; rather than a random person. I think that the blaze is something that stands out to a searcher, but at the same time would not seem particularly out of place to a person who would happen to wander across it (however unlikely that event may be).

          • Or Tom B, you can’t see the blaze. I don’t think I need to post all the ATF comments that support that. Again, not “see”, “found” the blaze.

            JDA, one blaze, come on now. Or do you need all the ATF comments that support ONE blaze? I could discover pancakes in the poem, doesn’t make it right.

            Tom B, Forrest said if you solve all nine clues, it would lead you precisely to the treasure, show me please where he said that. Don’t show me ” so I wrote a poem containing nine clue that if….etc”.

            And, what about the blaze? If you solve it, won’t it then throw you off? Think about it. All could be solved from home, if you’ve already gone out and now understand what you are doing. There is one thing that may tell you where the blaze is, but nothing on what it looks like.

            The word that is key goes with the 9th clue, IMO, it’s a date, 9th clue is a time, IMO. Indiana Jones in the map room. (guess at how long the shadow is:))

        • Agree with the TC being very near the blaze and I will give an idea to narrow it down if I am correct.

          Going back to the line The end is ever drawing nigh; This is not clue number 8 in any solve I can come up with so why talking about the end? Take drawing nigh as pulling you left, add the word ever as in perpetually and you have an answer to which direction every clue past this takes you, always taking you left. More than one creek? Take the one more left. Only one creek? Stay on the left bank. If we correctly follow the clues then we will have peen on a specific path that will give us a singular left to the point of finding the blaze,look quickly down (and to the left).

          • Sorry Chris;

            I have to respectfully disagree. To me, and you and others can disagree, EVER = More than once – so the END (or boundary) will be getting nigh (closer) more than once.

            Too many “Nigh’s” (Lefts) would take you in a circle or box – back where you started. JMO – JDA

      • Could it be that one doesn’t want their quest to cease? Aka look down and its over, chestless, right there BUT tarry scant with marvel gaze and it will continue on to one taking the chest and going in peace? Something about that BUT in there….I read it like it was saying dont look down.

  80. JDA – why wise -think about an owl always picks the highest point to scan his hunting area – then to me it would mean to go to the highest point north in elevation of the blaze – to the beginning of in the wood that’s how I see it but what do I know —- frank

  81. His TOTC story about the waterfall in NAM has me fairly convinced the blaze is, or is within sight of a waterfall (clue 6 “water high”), the use of past tense, to me, means that essentially when you reach it, its time “to look quickly down ” or you’ll stumble like FF did on the grave marker. This logic also tells me the previous clues put you at the top of a waterfall looking down. But clues 8 and 9 as to the exact location, no ideas yet. All IMO

    • MADhatter;

      Why couldn’t you be on a bridge, with the waterfall at your back, and “Look quickly downstream”? Just a thought. JDA

      • JDA- totally a possibility, but a bridge (man-made anyway) puts me on a human trail and I’m focusing my search in the bush. Down as in “downstream” ya that’s a good thought. The “but” before tarry scant tells me almost certainly “you ain’t done yet”. Tarry scant on the other hand omg can this be any more obscure? But I’m weighting its importance akin to HOB, so I need to get on that blog thread.

        • MADhatter;
          The quote is:,”There isn’t a human trail in very close proximaty (sic) to where I hid the treasure”.

          So, I can be on the man made bridge with a trail leading up to it – Look quickly down at the stream below, and notice something 100 – 200 yards downstream that looks interesting – go to it – I am NOT in close proximaty (sic) to the trail. Just a thought – JDA


          • JDA you just reminded me of something. No human trail. But a deer or elk trail leading to the water. hmmm

          • But tarry scant with marvel gaze,

            Works great for a bridge, especially for people who do not like heights. Don’t look down for long or you may freak out!

          • IMO the blaze is the trail you have found to the chest. you look back at the trail then down at the chest. if you have been wise and found the correct trail

      • JDA: You would think this treasure is in the new mexico.
        ancient: obeject acquainted with spabish family.
        this word is in the stanza.
        fron there
        the end

        • rhonny;

          Many will agree with you, but not me. I am convinced that it is in Wyoming. I guess that we will all just have to wait and see. Thanks for your post. JDA

        • Geez JAK,
          lol… I thought it was obvious… duck to get in there… best leave your partner in the car… two trips…
          marvel; “be filled” with wonder, in awe; synonym…open-mouth
          Down; early definition; low-down. And, feather [ duck ]
          Look; to watch for, archaic
          take care; make sure.
          Scant; barely sufficient, small, “short”
          Tarry; linger, wait > recess – a small space, a secret place…

          Well, maybe not so obvious. I’m sure, look quickly down means to gaze at the chest and don’t tarry another second… Just Get Yourself The Heck Out of There!!

      • the canyon
        the home
        the meek
        the end
        the blaze
        the chest
        the answers (plural)
        the cold
        the wood
        the gold

          • Damn, JDA – if I knew that, I’d go right to the chest!

            We’d have to ask the architect. It’s not a complete list of the nouns in the poem, but it IS a list of all the “the” nouns in the poem.

            ” . . . you can’t ignore any of the nouns in that poem.” ff

            Could be a false pattern too, who knows.

            I admit I let myself get pulled off-topic when Seeker posted his shortest comment ever and happened to include a word that is key. 😉

            Poor impulse-control on my part. But good question, JDA.


        • J A, do you think FF took years on the poem so we should focus on the more obvious nouns or is it more likely there is a noun that does not seem to be a noun that we should be more focused on? He seems to be fine with it being found but didn’t want it found in the first 3 months.

          Take the word down, is this a distance? It is possible that down (more commonly downs) refers to downland which is a noun. Add that to that word being much more common in the years when FF was younger and may have been exposed to it more than someone like me.

  82. Good morning from Oz! Here’s a thought about the blaze, it could be a drawing on a rock of a specific location. What if you’re standing there looking at the picture that represents your blaze & then you look quickly down the canyon to your left. ( nigh ) .

  83. I recall that Forrest was asked if the blaze was a single object and I believe his reply was, “in a word, yes”. The way he answered that suggests, to me, that there is more than one piece to the blaze. For example, it could be a group of rocks that form a certain pattern. The “pattern” as awhile could then be considered a single object.

      • and here I’ve thought it was a whale, not a whole, nor awhile. I’m so looking forward to Nov 2 to get these questions cleared up. Or at least get a good green chili cheeseburger….

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