Scrapbook One Hundred Eighty Five…


November 2017


A while back our little Tesuque’s spirit went to a place in heaven that is reserved for special pets. Now her body rests in the little cemetery beside her sister, a brother, two cousins and a friend.

This morning a new little companion arrived on United Airlines from Dallas.

He’s a Bichon Frisee poodle mix, and weighs 3 pounds. We don’t have a name yet although my grandchildren and great grandchildren are throwing all kinds of names in the suggestion pot. I will let them decide.

With all of the ill feelings around the world the future still looks bright when an old man plants small trees and has a new little friend who rests beside him in his lounge chair – where he is now. He’s 2 ½ months old so that makes me more than 4,500 weeks his senior. And both of us seem to be very happy with that. f

On November 28th Forrest added that the pup’s name is Willie.

On November 28th Forrest added this video.

On December 4th Cynthia added this video of Willie greeting Desertphile.



509 thoughts on “Scrapbook One Hundred Eighty Five…

      • that brought a tear to my eyes knowing how much i love my titan I cant imagine the loss.Sorry sir its good to hear your providing love to a new friend. happy thanks giving to all my name in the pot would be happy because thats what is what you make each other,

  1. Amen to that Forrest – enjoy!

    I’m sure the grandkids will come up with the perfect name for him!

  2. Recognized the Bichon Frisee immediately. Envy – I should not give into the envy – but I am really glad for you. I have been desiring a wonderful friend a lot lately. But living conditions do not permit. So my heart is full that you have a wonderful buddy. I am also deeply saddened at the passing of your Tesuque buddy. 2 1/2 months! Can you keep up 🙂 Those Bichons like to play by placing their front paws on the other dogs back (positioned as perpendicular to each other) – just in case the little one runs in circles and appears to be jumping on you everywhere. 🙂 Would love to visit – you have a large property and a puppy to run it. I would say to your grand and great grand kids – how about Thyme? White lightening Thyme! Wishing you both great thymes — times. 🙂

  3. Forrest – My condolences to you for your recent loss of Tesuque. She was truly beautiful .

    And your new little white fluff ball is precious. I had a very smart toy poodle with a pedigree in my childhood, named Pepe Silverlocks. He was my best friend. I loved him.

    I hope you and your family, and your new special friend, have a lovely Thanksgiving tomorrow.

        • Happy Thanksgiving Mr. F. We have so much to be thankful for. I presume you had a houseful of family for dinner.

          My family has a tradition of watching the movie “White Christmas” after dinner. Have you ever seen it?

          If Shilo doesn’t currently have a girlfriend, I have someone in Jackson, I would like introduce your Camp de Aide to.

          Best Wishes always

          Sherif Billy

        • Sherif Billy – In April of 2017, Forrest posted Scrapbook 182, in which he credited Shiloh’s girlfriend, Lacee, for taking the photos at David Old’s Viveash Ranch property:

          Another shame less plug:

          But when Forrest mentioned at the November 2nd Book Signing, that if any of those in the audience had an itch they couldn’t scratch…that they could ask Shiloh a question……well…

          • Hey Vox

            Why don’t you say what you mean?

            This remark from F is commentable that I do think we should be talking about.

            As with a SB or letter, say what you see. Do you have an idea about the:

            Capital Y
            He didn’t return after Lisa,


          • Right. Vox, he just didn’t but return. He intends the capital Y to appear below the L on the next line.

            He doesn’t often correct spelling, punctuation , etc; but even if he wanted to the blog doesn’t allow the edit.

            Thus is my opinion. It’s an opinion based on seeing Forrest do this, literally, hundreds of times. Please note that in OUaW he did actually correct his mistaken compound words that he has become aware of OR he still doesn’t care BUT a new spell check system caught it.

            BTW when I typed the above i used “spellcheck” and my phone corrected to “spell check.

            My theory. It’s a personal response to Lisa with no clues/hints. Why? He likes to respond to the smart women in the chase. Stephanie, PD, Gypsy, Jenny, Lisa; they all get responses.


        • Lisa-

          I don’t doubt it, he has a trap like a bear.

          What do you mean share with him?
          Do you mean that you emailed him? Spoke with him?

          How did he respond?


        • OZ10 – The fact is, after many attempts,the closest I’ve gotten is 1/2 Mile out the Cabin Creek Trail to get to my hidey spot. It is the same search area I emailed Forrest about in March/April of 2013. I just tried again in late September of this year. My Grizz previously, and all the Sows wit Cubs that were blocking my way in September, are a daunting presence in my home of Brown bears.

          • I don’t think that there are many bears in the correct
            search area. IMO.

        • Lugnutz – Or maybe a Golden trout, if Forrest could ever catch one of those, up at Avalanche Lake:

          “My father warned that grizzlies ranged in the area where I was going so I planned to carry a dead fish. If I met a bear I’d throw the fish at him and run downhill. A grizzly’s front legs are shorter than its hind legs so I would have the advantage if it came to a race. Besides, my incentive would be greater than his.” f
          – SB118

        • Hi Lisa – IMO Forrest didn’t travel far from his sedan or hide the chest in a place where you would encounter any bears. The poem as everyone sees it can lead searchers to places all over the Rockies, however the poem can be seen differently if one is willing to adjust. If one can adjust the answers do become clear and precise. I will add that this is my opinion since I’m not holding the heavy bronze, gold filled chest.

          Without giving you the key or answers, my best advice is to search in places where bears are not.

        • Hmm, well the second time through the alphabet starting with A at 27 puts F at 32. Two times through and 2 F’s = FF.

          Just a guess..

        • Forrest – Is this a hint to a correlation.between Teepee Smoke and the Sixth Stanza of the Poem?:

          So ear me all and listen good…

          “While “skinning the cat” on an iron bar under a high bridge spanning a river, Henry lost his grip and fell into the fast-moving current. A man working near the bridge saw the accident and ran quickly to the boy’s rescue, but by the time Henry was pulled from the water, he was close to death. At home, Elizabeth frantically rolled him back and forth over a barrel to force water from his lungs and allow air to enter, the only known treatment at that time for such an emergency. Her action saved her son’s life, but his ears became infected, and within a short time his hearing was gone forever. From then on he lived and worked in a soundless world of solitude to which he would adpat and which would provide a degree of tranquility. Yet Henry would also hear this monstrous disruption of his youth in dark, unspoken turmoil. Henry’s fascination with Indians became a preoccupation, and in school he doodled incessantly on his slate and books. Teepees and fearsome Indian chiefs in feathered bonnets marched along the margins, revealing his already impressive sketching ability..”

  4. Hi f,
    I had a little poddle about five times larger than yours. Booby looked
    just like yours. I hope you enjoy your dog as much as I enjoyed mine.
    Arrow Heads

  5. I am so sorry for your loss with Tesuque. I would’ve liked to have met that wise animal. But in my absence from correspondence, I have no choice to agree with AP, your first poster. You should name that white blessed animal “Blaze.” After all…that was the name of my first pet.


    • Iron Will – I have missed you also. I was trying to find that conversation we had here about searching for private property details for properties in Montana. I found the great one you posted about Land Trusts. Can you help me find the post with that Montana database again?

      I you’re well, and I’m so glad to see you back on The Chase.

        • Iron Will – Thank you! Perfect timing. Gotta go look at that Agriculture usage of my Rising Rainbow Trout-bounded property again. Thinking about the Old Man planting trees, who in his youth, worked for the USFS. And who later had a Native American friend, named Joe, who tried to give him teepee poles made from Lodgepole pines.

        • Iron Will – I still want to know who the Additional Legal Owners are under the Owner tab for my hidey spot, on that Montana Cadastral database. I don’t have a login for the state site to find that out, unfortunately. But the USFS is the primary owner for Agriculture/Grazing purposes. Thank you again. You are so wise to help me with my blaze.(^^)

      • i got lost again in the shadow of glass or readings on this blog that i love i viewed the image but the mountain with warm water and a journey that leads to knowledge is the road im going to look tomorrow the sun will be shining so why not add some safe adventure to life good night to all

  6. Forrest,

    Nice pup. How about Chase? Works for both boy or girl. I’m sure your grandchildren will do just great.

  7. Awww sorry about tesque And glad ya got a new lil friend He looks like a keeper and what in the world kinda hat are u wearing so not you ohhhhhhhhh could this hat be a hint Sherlock hmmmmm

    • DG, you are sharper than that Sharpe painting in the background. The hat may suggest this is a hint to be researched.

      Note Bichon Frisee is misspelled, it is actually Bichon Frise with only one ‘e’. Interesting how he only responded to the only ‘E’ on the board (Lisa). Or are we to look closer at this puppy breed?

  8. Those darn apricot trees….my condolences…and congratulations, as well.

    You already have a Tucker, right? How about Charlie?

    • The best part of the Bichon is when theyre little and do the ‘Bichon Blitz’…if you havent tried it sometimes it can be incited through a high pitched trill/roll of the tongue. Nothing quite hits the spirit like 3 pounds of high speed non shedding rocket speed puppy. Glad to hear he has found such a wonderful family.

  9. Forrest;

    So sorry that you lost Teseque – What a precious Friend you lost.

    So happy that you have chosen to let a new little friend be a part of your life. She looks adorable. May the two of you spend hours and hours together on your shared recliner – JDA

  10. Animals are beautiful beings that bring unconstitutional love to their families. We had to send our boy Boof off this morning to dance with the fairies. He was a rescue & lived 16 wonderful years, that’s a long time for an Irish Wolfhound. He dined on roast chicken & had 2 desserts before his next chapter. May he always smile from up high on our tired souls.

  11. Forrest,
    I am sorry about your loss of Tesque. I lost my little Boston Terrier and it was like a piece of me left, never to return.

  12. Dear Forrest—

    I know how much you cared for your side-kick Tesuque.

    I’m pretty sure all dogs go to heaven. The good book states there is no sadness in heaven and our tears are all wiped away. I know I would feel sad if my special friends that have preceded me are not there to greet me when I cross that great divide. Therefore , if my logic serves me correctly, all dogs go to heaven.

    Dogs are not our whole lives..
    but dogs make our lives whole.

    Best Wishes always;

    1 F Billy

  13. Forrest, I’m so sorry, hearing your sad news.
    Now, you have a new friend that will make your days joyous again.
    My Mom had a Bichon Maltese, Fluffy. She rescued him from the pound when he was 3 months old. He was her constant companion for eleven years and outlived her ( 2014) and went to live with my Aunt. Fluffy lasted 3 yrs and just recently passed, at the age of 14.

    We had him cremated and I buried his ashes at the base of her headstone, where they can take care of each other.. .I know there must have been some kind of rule against that, but I didn’t think Mom would be mad, so it was ok by me.
    Our furry kids make us young. Have fun!
    Donna M.

  14. Cute, fluffy, adorable… and so not potty trained… good luck with that part! 🙂

    Of course I say that as I sit here with my mini golden doodle laying beside me sleeping, while wearing a diaper…

  15. Birdie,
    I too am sorry for your loss. These are not pets they are members of the family and will always be remembered…

  16. What a nice little doggie. I’ve got two Maltese Poodles and they are wonderful loving little guys, and fiercely loyal.

    I’ve got a good idea Forrest. Name him “Quest”. That way we’ll be part TESUQue, and also be a word from your poem. :). God bless you Forrest!

  17. What a cute little rascal ! Your favorite slippers may have three toes sticking out the front soon.( Oh )only if you don’t hide them!

  18. Happy Thanksgiving!!! Mr. Forrest.
    Congratulations on the beautiful addition to your family.
    So sorry about Tesugue, it is hard to let go of true friends.

    If, I too may be so bold as to throw a name in the hat…..
    Thank you for indulging me.
    Many blessings to you and your family this Thanksgiving and TY for sharing the news and the picture.

  19. What a cute little rascal . Your favorite slippers will have three toes sticking out the front soon! (OH) Unless you hide them!

  20. Awww Forrest,your young companion is so cute. Perhaps another blue ribbon winner. 🙂
    Sorry to hear about Tesaque. Just remember Forrest, there are other worlds to bark in. 🙁

  21. I am so sorry for your loss of Tesuque …breaks my heart….my eldest doxie is going on 14 (momma’s boy). So glad though , you have a new little companion to be at your side (so cute) . Hoping you and yours have a Happy Thanksgiving!

  22. Oh,mr.forrest,I’m sorry about little tesuque.i know you will miss him so.that sure is a cutie pie.a little ball of i got my book.thank you so very much copper wherever you are. You blessed.i can’t wait to read the sure does have a beautiful cover.big book.yeah.more to I’m glad you got another will give you lots of so sorry i forgot ms.peggys birthday in October. God bless you both and all your family. And the new addition to the family. Tell the grandkids and let us know what they will name him.i like snow or cuddles.

  23. Looks a lot like our white poodle mix. With the little black eyes and nose on the white, I told my wife she looked like divinity, one of my favorite treats. We stuck with Dee Dee (Divinity Dog).
    I know she will be a great companion, may she be a devoted to you as Tesuque.
    God Bless you and yours,
    May everyone have a blessed Thanks Giving.

  24. Forrest, I’m sorry about Tesuque. I often think of that photo of her with the blue ribbon for being the best pet.
    I bet the kids will pick a good name for the new little guy and I can think of all kinds, too.
    Marco Polo
    Maybe I should sleep on it and think of better ones!

    I think the news of a new puppy makes the world seem a little better tonight. Have a great Thanksgiving everyone.

  25. I am sorry to hear that you lost your buddy. We also lost our two Bijou pups this year. I would gladly give up a chest of gold to have them back but that is not possible. Your newest treasure will certainly bring you more love and happiness than any box of gold. Forget about the Quest and spend your precious moments you have with your family and new buddy.

  26. Forrest, sorry for your loss. Tesuque will always be with you in memory and in dreams. Your new friend looks like he needs you. I know you will be his best friend, and he yours. I wish you and your family a “Happy Turkey Day!” A day we should all be very thankful for. I know, I am. Very thankful for every day.

  27. Here’s a name that your grandchildren and great grandchildren may wish
    to consider for the puppy: Block-and-Tackle

  28. F –

    If I may suggest a dog name in keeping with Fenn tradition.

    Ohkay Owingeh or OK Winny to the grand kids.


  29. It is sad that are buddies don’t live as long as we do. The heartache of losing them ahh but the joy of puppies. My Mosby. (English lab) never left my side when my husband took his life. But alas my Mosby passed two years ago. I think I mourned him just as much as I did my husband. I finally broke down and got a puppy last spring. Roman. (Anatolian Pyrenees) has grown and gives me love every day. And that’s what doggies are all about.

    • Amanda,

      So sorry for your losses. Our human spirits are very resilient and our puppies help us to rekindle our true selves. Wishing you a very happy Thanksgiving!

      Forrest, Sorry to hear about your Tesuque. Thanks for sharing your new best friend with us.

      Happy Thanksgiving to all!

  30. It is important to have a friend no matter what the situation may bring. Unconditional love are words that are heart felt and it doesn’t get any better than that. I am watching minute by minute and hour by hour, I too cant replace the time I have left with my friend. She loves me as much as I love her. Memories will be painted forever from what I was told. I have been there and from there I will have been. Its OK and I am pleased she has always had my back.. Thank you Sir.

    • I am not one of the Vanir by far. I do try each and every day to seek out the blind. I can’t tell you how much it means to me. I try to keep my eyes wide open but my arms beat me too it.

      An Indian Scout and A Saint

  31. Sorry for your loss. This one looks a little less ‘bitey’ than Tesuque. How about naming him “Abeque” (‘Stays at home’ in Cheyenne), or “Yazhi” (‘Little one’ in Navaho)?

  32. My Hilbillie Dawg

    Dawgs! Wat good r thay?
    Dawgs rilly rnt good spilers atall
    Dawgs cant reed needer
    Y they don’t mak no money
    Thay don’t cuk nor cleen needer
    Wat good r thay?

    Dawgs r smellie an kinda drty
    Thay trakk mud and drt all around 2
    Thay don’t help with chors or the dshes
    Thay sumtimes bring in the wildlef thay caut outdoors
    Wat good r thay?

    Dawgs mes thngs up an lay round
    Thay cuver yur clthose wth thr har
    Thay smell nastee stuf and lik thur privit parts 2
    Dawgs lay en yur best chare
    Wat good r thay?

    Dawgs got flees and tics an srach a lot
    Thay grwl an bite sum to
    Thel eet yur fuod wen yur not lokin
    Wat good r thay?

    Butt wen yur dwn on yur luk an had a baad day
    Yur dawg wil cher yup up jus sur enup
    Dawgs don’t hold no grudjes an qick to furget
    Thell luv yu just haw yu r
    Prase tha lrd fur tat
    Wat good r thay?

    Wel now I C,
    My best frend tniks im a celebritee
    He dunt care that I cant spel or evn how I part my hare
    He liks my fase and runs to graet me when I cum home
    Alwys wagin that tale…….
    Jus that hilbillie dawg and me…

    Rest in peace Tesuque

  33. Very sorry for your loss of Tesuque. It sounds like you adopted that puppy since he is a mix. You can go get so many good dogs that are mixes when you adopt. Happy Thanksgiving!

  34. Forrest-

    One day Billy came home after a hard day riding the trail… Sitting down at the kitchen table he noticed something unusual…. his wife was cooking. So Billy being the inquisitive type, asked her what she was cooking.

    She responded; “I’m cooking Buddy (our dog) his dinner.
    Billy, always quick on his toes, seizing the opportunity replied, “You cook for Buddy, but you don’t cook for me?”
    to which she quickly responded; “I love Buddy”…….

    I think I might of had McDonald’s that night or something…..

    • Sherif Billy – I am thinking about the book Eric Sloane and Sherry Brown produced together, written from the perspective of Eric’s dachshund, BIP. You could write your book from the perspective of your dog, Buddy. And you could call it Tales of Sherif Billy. And Forrest could publish it. And the story above could be included. And so could your poem about the hillbilly dog. What do you think?

  35. Happy Thanksgiving everyone 🙂

    Dear Mr Fenn,
    I’m so sorry to hear about your best friend Tesuque. Losing a pet is so painful. I hope this new little one gives you many years of happiness. Peace be with you.

  36. It is that saddest thing for a pet to die… The last time it happened to me I would spend weekends at the animal shelter until I got overr it. Eventually a stray came to my house and adopted me. I’ve never had better friendships than with my pets.

  37. Sorry to hear about the loss of Tesuque, Forrest. Pets really are a part of the family and their passing is painful to say the least.

    Happy Thanksgiving. Here’s to many more with your newest family member.

  38. Congratulations, Forrest!

    What a cute little friend. It’s almost like he exists solely to love and be loved.

    And that’s why he’s such a Great Friend.

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  39. You’ll be well pleased with a Frise, their loyal to a great degree and just like a warm blankie. Good tradeoffs going from your former fun companion to this new, “not yet named” friend.

    Let’s hope it doesn’t snore. LOL

    Happy Thanksgiving and remember~

    ~”Turkey Gobble Pie till ya Wobble Sleepy by!!”~

  40. Very sorry to hear about Tesuque.
    I lost my “Lucky” right before I found the chase.
    Will always have great memories. Rescued a 6 year old golden a year later.
    He’s getting a white face now. He just wants to look like me. lol
    Dogs are great!

  41. Thank God that our pets do go to heaven!!!
    I’m sorry to here about Teasque at least u made him a star here on Dal’s site.
    I’m sure u will enjoy your new ball of fur!!!
    He is beautiful. Oh the joys of house breaking!!!

    Happy Thanksgiving enjoy the turkey and the family.

  42. I think the question that we should be is asking is – Forrest WHY? did your puppy fly in from Dallas and WHO came with him? There’s lots of shelter puppies right there in Santa Fe. My Ruby dog is from Santa Fe shelter. She was rescued from the middle of the road as a puppy.

    Oh, well he’s a sweetie pie. Everybody loves a puppy. In time, he’ll, make a good watch dog. It’s genius how you can show everything in just one picture!

    I think I saw you once in Denver. You had missed your flight. I saw you standing in line with everybody else. You didn’t have a puppy but you did have a backpack on. And a really sad look on your face.

    Today I am thankful (comma) but more importantly I’m am grateful for all the experiences you have given us and all of the memories. They are like honey.

    Adios – Love, Moondove

  43. Forrest,

    A year passed before I could bring two new Whippets into my home (and heart) after my last two (Pippin and Frodo) crossed the rainbow bridge (you met Hunter and Ranger at Fennboree 5 months ago when they were only 7 months old). Tesuque will be welcomed and in good company.

    Your new Bichon Frise poodle has a marvelous new home to explore with a warm fireplace and lots of love. Congratulations and Happy Thanksgiving.

  44. Wishing Forrest and family and all treasure seekers a Happy a thanksgiving!!! I love the new additon to the family and am sure he will soon have a great name. It’s also getting cold out there in chaseland so I hope anyone still searching stays warm and brings jackets and a hat. My heart has me out on my next search right now but in reality I’m at home many miles away. Blessings to all.

  45. Time marches on…and the memories set the tone.
    Here you go Zap and Charlie…? There’s the “21/2” for you.

  46. So sorry to hear about your little buddy Forrest! My heart hurts cor you. Happy Holidays too. Be well.

  47. My 2 pence:

    – Frisee? Why not Frise? A Bichon endive? Is the hint “cur” and “frieze”/”freeze”?
    – A lounge chair is also a chaise.
    – A suggestion pot? Not a box?
    – Cemetery is a common theme.
    – 4500 weeks… How many of those were spent asleep on Mondays?

  48. Dear Forrest,

    So sorry to hear of the loss of your precious little Tesuque. I know you have such a gentle heart towards animals. I’m happy for you to have a new little fur baby to love! It is the best medicine for an aching heart. I hope and pray this spring, I can get a new fur baby too, hopefully of the wolf-dog variety! Love, Sweetpea

  49. He’s an impressive little white-haired fella. Oh, and the puppy is too 🙂

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  50. Mr. Forrest, you will certainly enjoy spending time with a Beeshon. We had one for 17 years! Most awesome pup ever. Very smart and I’d swear he knew what I was thinking. Even when I hurt my back, Trinity would lay down beside me in the floor somehow knowing my pain and just being my bud. I miss him a lot to this day. Makes me happy to see you get that little critter. Enjoy!

  51. Patagucci, polka dots, and serge… I like your style Mr Fenn! Perhaps you may consider throwing Jackson into the suggestion pot for a name for your new addition to the family? Happy Thanksgiving to all.

  52. Losing man’s best friend, an undemanding and dedicated companion is tough. I suspect most, if not everyone on this blog has gone thru that sad day. I truly am sorry for your loss.

    After our little guy leaves us behind I doubt he will be replaced because we travel so much, but Bichon’s have always attracted us, so I think you made a great choice.

    Happy Thanksgiving sir,


  53. Forrest,

    Thank you for sharing your life with Tesuque and us searchers on
    Dal’s forum here. There is no love more loyal than that which
    dogs have for their people, in my opinion. Tesuque made a wise
    choice to choose you.


    D. Crockett and Sophie the BC

  54. Happy Thanksgiving to all on the Chase!
    Visiting Children- Happy!
    Warmer than usually weather-check
    Loving friends-check
    Kids making all the dishes-priceless
    Warm wishes everyone……oh did I mention homemade brandy from orchard? Hehe

    • oh wait ..did someone just mention homemade brandy ??

      [def spend Thanksgiving with Lou Lee next year – check!!]

  55. R.I.P. little Tesuque.
    The circle of life.
    He’s a cutie!
    The little doggies pretty cute too!
    Gobble Gobble!

  56. I’m very sorry to hear of the loss of the noble Tesuque. You could tell she had quite a personality, just from her photos, let alone Forrest’s stories about her. Forrest, watch your dreams, particularly right around six months from the day she passed.

  57. Forrest,,,

    sorry for your lost of a good friend.
    happy for your new found friend.
    most memories in life would not be filled with love
    if not for pets.


  58. A sister, a brother, two cousins and a friend. Better not cross that line fenn. That sword has been remade and I know some anscestors that are looking for a debt to be repaid. And it’s not gold they want.

  59. Old friends can never be replaced, but it’s special people who provide vacant spots in their hearts and homes to new friends. And that’s a really cool hat, by the way!

  60. Hey Forrest nice Hat !!!! as for that little pup he looks like an olly to me just a name suggestion from a friend !

  61. That is some kind of cute little thing. Having a purse dog doesn’t mean you have to carry a purse…so don’t…:)

  62. For those inspired to add a pet to your family, please consider adopting from a local shelter. Spay/neuter, microchip.

  63. I’m glad you found another companion Mr. Fenn. Dogs bring us Peace and Comfort and Happiness.


  64. Forrest, I’m sorry for your loss and am glad you have a new little buddy to spoil. My friend has the cutest and smartest Maltipoo whose name is Oliver. They call him Ollie. That could be a good name for your new friend.
    Anyway, SB32 – 32 degrees = water freezing
    The new member of the family is a Bishon Frise’ or maybe a Bishon Freeze. Maybe his name will be Frosty. Well, I’m sure your family will pick the perfect name.

  65. wait a minute! ..where’d half the comments disappear to?!

    (damn those Russian hackers!! 🙁 )

      • E.C.

        Some one impersonating Forrest made a couple of comments. Then several people made comments about what the impersonator said.

        All those comments were removed. To leave them up would lead people reading this blog to think Forrest made comments.

        Surely, you don’t object

      • sheesh.. just another impersonator huh? – it’s a mad mad mad mad world, that’s for sure!!

        i mean, next there’ll prolly be someone masquerading on HoD as Miles Davis or something.. 🙁

  66. It certainly seems that way. The original come t is gone but the 2nd comment from “Forrest Fenn” is still up.

    Dal – are you leaving that up?

  67. Does anyone else think its kinda weird he’s wearing a hat & heavy coat inside? Maybe he just walked in the door, if so, why not take the coat off first? Who hangs a piece of art near the front door to be exposed to the elements & daily traffic. It just doesn’t make sense to me, all my opinion of course!

  68. f, i’m so sorry to hear about Tesuque, i’m sure a welcome guest to the spiritsphere… Welcome here to your new little companion.
    as always, h, milwaukee.

  69. curious hobbit – ROFL!

    But that color was Forge Grey…like Valley Forge? Like George Washington the Surveyor? Like Washington crossing the worth the cold Delaware River? Like George Washington’s face on the doller bill? Like George Washington’s profile on Forrest’s Purple Heart medal?

    Cats and dogs living together… what’s the world coming to? Does Forrest have something against adopting a beautiful cat?

  70. Forrest so sorry to hear about Tesuque he was faithful and so cute. Hope you all had a wonderful and blessed Thanksgiving! Your new Pup is so tiny and new bet he has you wrapped around his paws already. God bless you and your family stay warm and happy holidays and have a very blessed New Year.Still in the Chase. Ms. Girl

  71. Once UPon a time = (while of time) ore (wile trick) OR Wile E Coyote. Upawn

    Unight United Airlines (link the two parts)

    12:00 midnight (clock hands are in the middle)

    Forrest Fenn is struggling. As Trump would say “that I can tell you”

    Did Fenn just get chess played? Wearing a winter coat with a “retriever” dog. Does he need to get out the “old” bull horn? Listen good!

  72. Forrest sorry to hear about Tesuque! Our little Nana is going on 16 so I know what it must feel like to lose a long time friend. Cute new baby though! Take Care and Happy Holidaze!

    • Oh No!

      That name feeds the Zaphod beast!

      I hope Forrest will tell us that either he picked that name as a definitive clue. OR He picked that name just to mess with Zap.

      Calgon take me away…

      • Hi Lug – It could stand for William Marvin Fenn Sr., William Marvin Fenn Jr., or Will He, the searcher, get the chest now or wait till Spring. So much to consider.

      • Lug,
        Are you suggesting that Forrest got a new puppy and wrote a scrapbook about it for any reason other than giving us another hint or clue. Unthinkable. How else will we find our rabbit holes for winter hibernation.

        Seriously cute puppy though. I give him a 9.6 on the face plant. Excellent technique, good choice to do the face grinding part under the cover of the leaves, but could have used a bit more “I meant to do that” attitude afterwards.

    • Great name Forrest. Welcome to the HoD Willie.

      So now we’re looking for a blaze that’s fallen down, right?


      • Hi Forrest,
        You can tell that Willie already loves you so much. Playing with him will keep you feeling young for a long time. Enjoy your precious puppy 🙂

          • Yup… All the bookstore got back was the label to the box… 3 signed copies missing… I filed a claim with USPS… I did order another one but it had not arrived yet as of Monday and I am out of town all week. Hopefully It will be there waiting for me when I get home 🙂

          • What a travesty. I’m surprised they didn’t just send you replacements…and then deal with the post office themselves…

          • Spallies

            I did not pay for a signed copy but the one that arrived is inscribed. It says

            Spallies, You’re not even close.

            No idea what that means.


          • Hi Dal – Many searchers have been subjected to problems with receiving the new book. Mine finally arrived but it took a very long time. I’m not certain if it was the USPS or a combination of issues. Quite a few others are still waiting patiently.

          • Lugnutz – Re: Scrapbook 69. Thanks. I had not seen that one.

            I think Forrest is the Pilot that solved the mystery of where My Grizz goes in late July, when Forrest just may have high-tailed it out to my hidey spot out Cabin Creek, while My Grizz was busy feasting on Army Cutworm Moths, in the rocks below Redstreak Peak and White Peak:


            If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
            Look quickly down….

            While circling the runway, on his approach to West Yellowstone Airport, in his Piper Malibu plane…

          • Lisa –

            According to Fenn his plane could not reach West Yellowstone. Sure he could be lying. Sure he could stop and refuel.

            But as a practical matter I do not know if he ever flew his place to West Yellowstone.

            I do know he flew it to Lander WY.


          • Lugnutz – Just looking at the “big picture”…

            My blazes start with Three Forks in Montana making a big huge X from Forrest’s plane’s vantage point, and they continue in concentric circles, like a big ‘ol TARGET, like a Circumpunct, which is the alchemical symbol for GOLD, until you Zero In on my hidey spot. Which is why I could use Google Earth and the Poem to find it, back in March/April of 2013.

            I found this link just now with lots of Forrest’s quotes, which maybe you guys can use for that great quiz you are creating on the Key Word thread. My answers would all be, Check. Check. Check.


          • Sure, Fenn’s one time off handed remark “look at the big picture” means try this from 10k feet.

          • Love that scrapbook. That was the first time he mentioned he didn’t have to think about gas for 600 miles. When he tells the Landers story at the book signing he elaborates to say he could get 700 miles out of his plane. He says he flew to Lander WY. What he cannot or could not do is fly to West YellowStone, Cody or anywhere in Montana.

            I am not saying he hasn’t flown in all these areas.

            It’s just that if we gain knowledge, like his plan could fly 700 miles without refueling, we should take that into consideration. Refueling a plane is not like pulling into a gas station. Also he does not mention it in either story but he knew where he was going and named it in his flight plan, didn’t he?

            When I was learning to fly in the nineties I asked about flying without a plan. The instructor said no one would be stupid enough to do so.


          • Lugnutz –


            “I didn’t have to talk to anyone after I left Santa Fe, and at a hundred feet above the telephone poles I could see a lot of things under my wings: moose, grizzly bears, teepee circles and cowboys on horseback.”

            See also: Upper Teepee Basin, right below White Peak, and just over the ridge by trail from Cabin Creek Cabin. I could see teepee rings there on Google Earth in March of 2013. I have imagined that Forrest and Donnie were there in that meadow,and that’s where their horses got away from them in the L&C story.

          • Lug;

            I have a dumb question. If I file a flight plan from say – Denver to Cody – and I stop in Landers – Did I have to include the stop in Landers on my flight plan? I am just curious – having NO knowledge of flight plans. JDA

          • Well you can’t fly a piper Malibu Mairge to Cody from Sante Fe. His flight plan would say he is flying to Landers or wherever he is getting gas.

            I am using the term gas because I like that word. I am aware that places do not run on gas.

            Now I do not doubt that Fenn’s flight plan was loose as a goose. He might say to the tower I am going to meander up to Lander.

            Anywho, the flight plan can be per leg or show the way points.


          • Lugnutz –


            “…pushing the hangar doors open, cranking up that beautiful sounding 350 HP Lycoming engine, and heading north for Montana or Wyoming, not knowing or caring where I would land.” It was not something he had to worry about for at least 600 miles.”

            No flight plan in this paragraph. And that was “at least 600 miles”. And he included Montana and Wyoming. West Yellowstone Airport is on that border.

            Maybe Bob Miller or another pilot could weigh in on this. This SB13 is in writing from several years ago. The book signing was a verbal quote.

          • Lisa –

            He does say after he left Sante Fe he didn’t have to talk to anyone. He implies he was talking with the airport in Sante Fe, right?

            I will allow that he may say something like Just heading North to watch the Mooses.

            But that would be incredibly incompetent. You would have no knowledge of other planes in the area and then no one would know when you went missing. Again, the instructor said no one would be stupid enough to do it. (It being fly without a flight plan.)


          • Lisa

            There are many small airports throughout the chase states.
            Sante Fe is not one of them.

            I have suggested previously that he flew out of the smaller Angel Fire, but we do not know if he did. Even at Angel Fire you need flight plans. There was a Texas pilot that crashed on takeoff in a storm and I clearly remember the new story included a discussion of his flight plan.

            My father’s business partner still flies in his eighties and still fishes. He call it Fly Fishing when he flies from Colorado to Montana for the purpose of fishing. I think Bob is 85.


          • Lugnutz – My thanks to pinatubocharlie for posting this reply to you under a response to me on the Key Word thread:


            regarding SB 13 I’d like to point out that according to the Piper Malibu Mirage specs and equipped with a 350 HP engine the plane has a range of 1,343 nms (1,600 miles) with a 45 minute reserve. Driving the most direct route is only about 950 miles, so he would have plenty of fuel to get from Santa Fe to West Yellowstone without refueling. Of course Range would drop if he decided to fly fast and low all the way, but the plane certainly has the capability to fly there non-stop if desired.


          • Lisa

            I am presenting you with what Forrest has said.

            Do you think he is lying or didn’t know the range his plane was capable of?


        • Despite my gmail name being ironwilly, I know Forrest enough to know he would not name his pet after a specific searcher amongst hundreds of thousands of searchers, for that would imply too much.

          As he said he’d leave it up to his grandchildren…they undoubtedly looked to their Uncle William “Skippy” and their great grandfather William Marvin Fenn, and named the lil cute thing Willie.

          All I know, is you’ll get no objections from me. Fine choice 🙂

    • Awww… man, that puppy is cute! Let that be a lesson folks. When life smacks you down in a pile of leaves, you just keep flop flop flopping along!

    • Ok, so is that a cow moo-ing or lowing that Willie responds to? That video isn’t in Santa Fe!!

    • That other big dog lost his tail as soon as he saw little Willie light up in attack mode. I sure feel for the guy behind the lense, hope he makes it.

        • There is a grizz at cabin creek man was attacked when I was there last becareful back there in that canyon

          • Gypsy –

            I’m glad you responded.

            Lisa – she has scoured every inch back there in large hunting parties on multiple trips. I don’t know 8f you have read of her treks.


  73. Loved the video – What a cute little guy. May the two of you share a million precious moments together – like this one – JDA

  74. That is a great name for such a cute little pup.

    After watching the video a few times…Thank you, Dal…I have come to the conclusion…Pink Panther style…that Willie’s little falling accident was not an accident at all.

    If you watch closely you will see that Willie was reenacting the opening from Little Home of Brown on the Prairie…aka Little “House” on the Prairie…to the late person. He pulled a “Lindsay”…as it were.

    As you can clearly see…his execution was flawless. Give Willie an Oscar already…or a puppy treat. On second thought…just give him the treat. He’s undoubtedly happier with a puppy treat…especially bacon. 🙂

    I also wouldn’t rule out the One-Eyed Willie (Goonies) connection/inspiration.

    Give him an eye patch and some proper clothing and take him treasure hunting…Aaaargh!

    • That is a good link. Also maybe it is a hint about someone’s dog. The grandkids naming him is the perfect cover, so who’s has a dog named Willie or owns a Bichon Frise on this forum? Maybe we can follow the clues to what this message is all about.

  75. Cute!

    But more to the point, the video appears on Vimeo rather than YouTube.

    Perhaps Vimeo = I Move, or Eye Move, or 1 move (all are relevant, IMO).

    The slow motion through the autumn leaves is followed by a final spurt at the end. meanwhile, the big dog is watching…

    • Vox,

      I’m an anagram hound too and there are some very interesting ones out there in TC land. But frankly, Vimeo got past me entirely.

      Thank you for sharing.


      • You’re welcome, Pinatubocharlie.

        Early on in the Chase I tried taking the anagram route, but couldn’t make anything useful stick. I do know that a few people continue to work on that approach.

        I’m more of a united air lines kind of guy… 😉

        • voxpops – That sounded more like a Phi-Delta answer to me. Where Phi = f:

          “The slow motion through the autumn leaves is followed by a final spurt at the end. meanwhile, the big dog is watching…”

          • Lisa,

            The one thing that kind of jumped out at me in the video was the position it was shot from. Low to the ground that is…… look quick ly down.

            I could explain how I finally arrived at that concept, but there are some here who would go bonkers, and frankly, I’m tired of reading the never ending repetition of something already said, many times over.


          • Pinarubocharlie – Excellent perspective!

            Be the Chest…

            That is just how it’s going to be, when I borrow Willie to be my Search Buddy, and we go to my hidey spot. But there will be no leaves from deciduous trees, only the needles from Evergreen pines, where Forrest originally intended to be pillowed down and scented in…

          • Lisa;

            Let’s see – would sage be called a tree? I know that it does not have needles, so if it is a tree it is deciduous isn’t it? Just wonderin’ JDA

          • JDA – Google is my friend. Sagebrush is a plant, not a tree:

            “Sagebrush grows in dry places where other plants do not, but it prefers well drained soils in sheltered areas. The sagebrush is a perennial shrub with straight, stiff stems. … The sagebrush produces seeds. This plant is deciduous.”

            But it is everywhere in the Rocky Mountains, including in my search area, because of Sheep grazing going many years back. It was those Scots again, Ronnie!

          • So, If I read it correctly, even though it is a shrub, it is deciduous – Is that correct? Just askin’ JDA

    • voxpops – The slow-motion also creates the monstrous-sounding voice at the beginning, that some have questioned, who is probably Forrest calling Willie…

      • Yes, I assumed that it was someone calling the dog’s name (it would be easy to verify). It’s the juxtaposition of the slo-mo with the faster speed that interests me. It’s going to be a long winter!

    • Vox –

      I believe Dal posted the video to Vimeo.
      Do you think he’s in on it?
      He’s the one disseminating hints and clues??


      • Lug,

        It was merely an observation. I have no idea whether it’s an intentional hint or not (that’s why I used the word “perhaps”). I also have no idea whether Forrest stipulated where he wanted it posted, if Dal uploaded it. I seriously doubt that Dal’s “in” on anything, but Forrest knows how to make sure things are done “in the right way.” It was interesting to me that it has relevance to the Chase, IMO.

  76. Ok maybe William fenns hat and dog named after dad Now what ???? Patagonia on coat. Ohhhhhh that’s a tricky one one sip of whisky and I’ll figure this out lol

        • 9equals9 – Thank you! I was trying to remember where I saw Forrest talking about lightning hitting a tree. Is he referring to the actual blaze here?:

          “One of our tall cottonwood trees was maimed by a lightning strike and lost a big limb. I saw the whole thing. I was just standing there at our kitchen window watching. So now when there’s thunder, Peggy and I and little Tesuque, run for cover.

          Peggy’s grandmother once told me that just a millisecond before lightning hits, the hair on the back of my neck will stand up. It’s a static electricity phenomenon, she claimed. When that happens lightning is about to hit nearby with a jolt. But if I jump really high, maybe it will hit the ground while I’m still in the air, thus saving me from the fiery bolt.”

          And then there is the pirate, Sir Francis Drake, and his search on behalf of Queen Elizabeth I, for gold and treasure. He blazed quite the trail…

          • 9equals9 – Okay, now I am thinking of my outermost TARGET X blaze on the map, viewed from Forrest’s Piper Malibu plane, formed by the intersecting rivers named by Lewis and Clark, at Three Forks, Montana. That is very close to Bozeman, where the 45th parallel is. Over in Europe it runs through the Bay of Biscay, where Queen Elizabeth I sent ships to fight the Spanish in 1592.. Sir Francis Drake the pirate was busy then, doing his exploring thing, but he came back on New Year’s Eve that year to present a manuscript of his travels to Queen Elizabeth I.

            The 45th parallel could also be considered a WWWH marker, regarding how far the glaciers came down….

          • 9equals9 – And while searching for the Northwest Passage for QE1, some say Sir Francis Drake the pirate sailed the Golden Hind up to Oregon or higher. The 45th Parallel runs through Keizer, OR. Hey, what was the name of that third duck again in SB 146?

            “There has been conjecture that Drake in fact reached the Oregon coast or even as far north as British Columbia and Alaska. Even with the continuing debate, in 2012 the U.S. government officially recognized a cove in California’s Point Reyes Peninsula as Drake’s landing site, an action championed by the Drake Navigators Guild.”

            And Drake was born 100 years too late, just like Forrest said he was. He could have been Christopher Columbus…

        • 9eq9

          Right, CD is not specific at all. Two Oceans is more specific but hard to reach. Drake is precise and accessible.


          • Yep and he doesn’t know Photoshop and he doesn’t decide which pictures go on what pages.

            I would say he had nothing to do with the famous postage stamps from ttotc but that might really throw the cart off the path.


          • I don’t understand Lugz,

            He wrote the book and published it. What makes you think he would let someone else do what they wanted? He didn’t make Major (a mustang I might add) by letting people do as they pleased.


          • So you are saying there is absolutely no collaboration. Like a SMART bomb, fire and forget?

            Sorry, I just can’t buy that. I worked with and around the military my entire 32 year career and they do not lack attention to detail. It’s in their DNA. And then multiply that several times over for pilots.

            Guess you and I will have to disagree on this one Lug.


          • P
            My wife is an author.
            For her last book a Collective in new Zealand did the illustrations. We received proofs of the pages. These are larger than the book and show us the beautiful artwork.

            We noticed the artists had snuck in visual references to marijuana throughout. We don’t do any of that stuff. We circled all the weed and joints and bongs and told the editor who works for the publisher.

            She said, ok, we can take care of it at the printer. And they did.

            We never had access to any files, just the actual proofs.


          • Just curious Lug – Where did you get this “inside” info? Are you and Forrest best friends? – Just askin – JDA

          • Which info?

            Just the other day someone linked to the old article where Fenn said he doesnt know how to use Photoshop


          • Hi Lug – it’s interesting that you mentioned Mary Jane since Forrest also talked about getting high marks for his fictional story and hoped nobody would send him Mary Jane cookies.

      • For those not on Zap’s and Sandy’s wavelength and who are still looking for WWWH, it could be well worth concentrating on the implications of the Straits of Magellan, coupled with what FF is wearing. SB49 is useful after that – but you don’t need to worry about it too much because it’s all there in the poem.

        Think about it in the right way and you have a cast iron route to finding THE starting point, IMO. I’m pretty certain a good number of people have found it under their own steam, but FF is basically offering to level the playing field for everyone else by circumventing the requirement to make that initial, elusive connection that has caused so much difficulty.

        Apologies in advance that I haven’t spelled it out, but some things are best left to the imagination!.

        • Vox y Zap – I hope I don’t have to circumnavigate the globe to find the treasure LOL but it sure feels like it sometimes…it would be nice to land on a sweet little island and stay awhile. I believe that “brown” (not the color or flavor or temperature) goes a long way in the spice drawer. I got to the same place Zap did without math or the second layer (if you don’t count counting on your fingers) so I think there is more than one way to crack this nut.

          • Sandy, I agree that there is more than one way to deduce WWWH, given FF’s myriad hints and stories. After that, things may require a little more unity of vision.

          • voxpops – you said “…more than one way to deduce WWWH, given FF’s myriad hints and stories. After that, things may require a little more unity of vision.”

            I couldn’t agree more and the “little more unity of vision” part sounds very much like “tight focus” – which is spot on. IMO

        • Vox –

          Thanks i have been waiting for someone to admit that.

          The same clues that lead you to Montana lead me to Wyoming for the exact reason.

          Do you know what I’m referring to in Wyoming?

          This is why I say that these hints and Easter eggs don’t exist. If they can mean 2 things or more, they probably don’t mean what you think they mean.

          That’s my opinion and I also thinks that’s logic.


          • Lug, it’s our interpretations that may be faulty – not the clues. Good luck with your search!

          • If he was wearing the Patagonia with a duck in one hand a d a Beatle in the other I might agree.

            Thus is just a rich guy wearing the coat they all wear.

          • The interesting thing is that if you solve the clues in the poem, the scrapbooks and stories make a lot more sense. However, it’s very difficult to do it in reverse, as I’ve tried to explain to OH!

            If people prefer to believe that there have been no additional hints since the release of TTOTC, then that will help them concentrate on the poem – which is what we should all be doing. I actually think that the hints are a real distraction for most of us – but I truly believe they exist!

          • Lugnutz,
            All the clues seem to be this way, right?
            But something is needed to have a searcher pick the correct location. I think folks rely too much on the first clue to do this… so, even though some have had the first “clues” correct and where… they were missing something else related to why there, imo.

            We can make all the excuse we want as to why searchers didn’t know they had the clues correct… but the one thing that keeps coming back, haunting a reasoning is, why did they recognize any later clues? Yet still be so close.

            I have to wonder if it is at all possible that wwwh was confused with water high… but that would mean many of the searchers got to the location with the wrong clue, and only ‘mentioned’ the correct first two clues ‘in order’
            They did somehow get the first two clues references correct, that lead them to the location, only to not understand why this location-?- for the remaining clues… to be complete [Completed?].

          • Seeker –

            Sure I have a Home of Brown that another searcher, maybe Charlie, considers it his WWH.


          • **** voxpops proposed – “The interesting thing is that if you solve the clues in the poem, the scrapbooks and stories make a lot more sense. . . . I actually think that the hints are a real distraction for most of us – but I truly believe they exist!” ****

            I dunno, vox, the scrapbooks and stories appear to “make a lot more sense” for a wide variety of different sets of proposed clue solves, not just for correct solves (if any even exist currently).

            I have a hard time thinking the sense is intentional. The whole hint industry started just over 4 years ago with this little bit – “if you read the book (TTotC) . . . there are a couple of good hints, and then there are a couple of aberrations that live out on the edge.”

            Loaves and fishes.

            (And are aberrations to be collected or avoided?)


          • And before he said that.
            2 searchers had solved the first clue or clues and a couple had been within 200 feet and nobody was anywhere but New Mexico and Utah

        • voxpops – You wrote, “cast iron route”, so I think you know that take it in the canyon down may refer to bronze cannon and drake, and that put in below the home of Brown may refer to the John Browne gun:

          “The term Drake became used to described various cannon. Drakes were usually lighter than ordinary guns of the same calibre and length.”

          Lugnutz – Google British Cannon Design 1600-1800 to read a really great link.

          • Lisa – take it in the canyon down does not relate in any way to a bronze cannon and drake, nor does home of Brown refer to someone named John Browne (or a gun related to that name). IMO

            I wish you luck and the best in your search. Stay Safe!

          • Covert One and voxpops – I just really like EEgg hunts.

            Shall we discuss the East India Company and the spice trade, now? And circumnavigation? That’s where the gold truly lies…

            Big Smile.

          • Covert One and voxpops –

            Tea Trail #205.

            That was also a bait and switch. But neither of you responded, so I did for you.

            DeCall can tell you that trail is certainly a good home of Brown.

            What color is YOUR tea? And if you combine the colors, Red, Black and Green, what color do you get?

            And what color was the water after the thunderstorm beneath Donnie’s horse in that picture in the L&C story?

            And why didn’t an expert fly fishermanlike Forrest catch any trout in the creeks in that story?

          • Covert One and voxpops – I wonder if Dal will chime in here? Because of the cannon he found, while diving with Forrest nephew, and Skippy’s son, Willian Crayton Fenn.

            I like that Dal pretended to be a searcher named Mike, so Forrest wouldn’t make the connection, when Dal first joined The Chase. If he stayed with that, we would have had two Mike’s blogs…

          • Lisa, history plays no part in my solution, although it may have something to do with the Chase in general. Because I don’t need history, I pay little attention to hints that suggest a historical connection, even if they might be relevant. IMO, the poem requires geography, and a great deal of logic and imagination. The external hints – well who knows until the clues are solved?

          • Lisa,

            I have noticed for a while now that you post some things that do not relate to the treasure hunt.

            I do however believe you have demonstrated you have a good imagination, such as the bronze canyon and a guy named Browne.

            I grew up in Montana in Bozeman. There is the history about Montana which was well covered along with Lewis & Clark while in school. I can’t help to think that Montana has nothing to do with the treasure other than the Rockies.

            I’m very well familiar with the state and know of the areas you have mentioned.

            Good Luck in your search. 🙂

  77. Patagonia looks a lot like Montana that’s all I got for that And Colorado I think New Mexico is totally outta the race I mean chase Even Cynthia coming over to the right team lol team we so hot Hehe

    • Cynthia just needs a change of pace IMO. Her heart will always be in NM. So far…we are all on the losing team DG.

      • Sandy – And there is a light switch right behind Willie on the wall. Didn’t Peggy say she would rather switch than fight? Don’t even think about taking a light switch to that cute little puppy, Forrest! I don’t care how much you respect discipline. Even though there are willows along the creek in that JH Sharp painting.

        • Well Lisa…
          Given Mr Fenns’ apparent fondness for polka dots – all I can come up with is “3 quick steps and a hop” with much twirling about. Dizzying. Consult your physician before starting any new dance or exercise regimen.

          • Lisa – I have no idea where this comment will land. But, if you don’t have the books (study guides IMO) then you can’t see the “switch” I’m talking about. The painting in the photograph in the original TTOTC story has been changed/altered/photoshopped – “switched” for a Fechin in OUAW. Why, I have no idea. You also can’t see the polka dots or many of the aberrations (abernomalations as ken would say). I would suggest you purchase the books if you want to understand many of the references to obscure but possibly important “easter eggs” on the blog. You will also see little things, such as that FF does not capitalize brown trout unless it’s in a phrase that is in all CAPS.

          • Hello, Sandy…Ken…Lisa…Et Al.

            Is it Easter already? And where are all the Easter eggs y’all are talkin’ ’bout? Do I have to go looking for them? Is there a delivery service? 🙂

            I thought it was Christmas…the Season of Giving.

            Of course…GETTING is kinda nice too. The older I get…the less I get…mentally speaking.

            If I had the funds I’d buy you all a nice, warm Christmas sweater…a really nice one…from Abernomalations & Switch.

        • Hi Lisa –

          I am sure that you have sen me ask chasers what they are talking about. You seem more willing to share then some others.

          I would like to ask you about the switch.

          So. I get it. Fenn took a famous slogan and then reversed it so as to use it in a different way. He has done so on multiple occasions. To me he is just injecting humor and a little attitude.

          Tarryton slogan
          She’d rather Fight than Switch

          Fenn version
          [My wife] would rather Switch than FIght

          That’s funny, sort of, and I suffered through my dad doing this my whole life. My dad would be 2 years younger than Fenn, but my dad served in Korea. Very similar guys. No one ever could hold my dad to anything because he spoke only in euphemisms. My dad also referred to every restaurant and store by a name other than the correct one. I will bet a million dollars Fenn does the same thing. Instead of Neiman Marcus my dad would say Norman Marcus. I could go on, maybe I should write a memoir.

          Anyhow, these sayings of Fenn’s just seem like a guy trying to be clever or funny. You seem to think there could be more.

          Can you explain how the word Switch, or the phrase, informs you of either a clue or a location on the map?

          I would like to ask you more about these things which Zap is calling Easter Eggs as opposed to hints that directly inform on clues. Maybe that’s how you see them.

          Thank you!

          • Hey Lug…Happy Easter man!
            Fenn is mixing it up quite a bit, you have to admit. The older generation has a lot to pass on…and I am glad Fenn(and your dad) find humor in it!

          • Lug I’ll give one example of “switch” and what I was referring to upthread. Read “Hush Puppies and Blue Jeans” in TTOTC again, and compare and contrast with “The Evolution of My Art Opinion” in OUaW. References to polka dots and switch are pretty obvious. And there is more…lots more. Not a hint or a clue but as Zap terms it – possible Easter Eggs.

          • Hi Sandy –

            I am at work. The books are at home not working.

            Can yo please just tell me what you think Switch means or does or how it helps.

            Much Appreciated

          • Lugnutz – After reading about how Forrest’s Dad disciplined him with a switch, it occurred to me that he may have escaped out to my hidey spot in Cabin Creek, because he dreaded having done something wrong that meted punishment. I still believe finding the bronze chest has to do with getting to know Forrest and what motivated him to write the Poem the way he did. Call it an Easter Egg or whatever you want.

            Here is an interesting discussion, that might reveal something to you, from the Moby Dickens interview:

            Female: I have one about the poem. If you follow the poem precisely will you find yourself switching back?

            Forrest: If you follow the clues in the poem precisely would I what?

            Female: Will you find yourself switching back, making a loop?

            Forrest: This gal’s dangerous. Would I find myself switching back? I think I can say no to that without giving away too much of a clue.

            Female: Okay.

          • Lisa –

            Can I say that it seems like you are fitting what you read and hear to your spot?

            If Fenn wanted to escape his father, and he wasn’t working that day, what’s to say he didn’t walk east?

            How far is that walk from Boundary street to just CC picnic spot?
            Google says 22 miles or 7 hours. I think that’s nuts. or if you like Too Far To Walk, literally.

            I understand that what you are doing is seeing 2 or 3 things that seem related mentioned at different times, I just can’t see how this one would relate to Cabin Creek or anywhere else specific.

            The question to Fenn is another matter. This is yet another case of someone asking a question to show she is clever rather than being direct. I just don’t see how that woman or you get anything at all out of that response. If anyone thinks the word Switch matters, you could just ask him.

            I appreciate you sharing the easter egg and I hope to read more. I genuinely hope that sometime I read one of these connections and can see it.


          • The more I go back and read Fenn’s stories…it seems like his dad was pretty darned strict, and perhaps a bit quick with the “switch”.
            My dad used a belt…

          • Lugnutz – Since I don’t have any of the books, I need to do a Google search, or go to Forrest’s site l, to read his stories. Mindy’s site here has a story, and she has a link to connect to TTOTC book preview there, that has a picture of Forrest in front of the Fechin painting, where he is wearing the polka-dot shirt. That’s in the Hush Puppies story. There is also a link to the Evolution story right below that, which is on Forrest’s site.

            But your boss may take a switch to you for doing all this at work…

          • I can follow links sometime, but I cannot view images, that’s for sure.

            Ok, Lisa, it’s nuts that you do not own The Thriil of the Chase. Do you not want it? Or Find that the price is Too Far to Walk?

            Let me know,

          • Lugnutz – Hey, thanks, Mindy! This picture you found of Faithful Unto Death couldn’t be a better illustration of what I visualized Forrest doing when he planned to throw himself upon the bronze chest at my hidey spot with the downed Lodgepole pine tree lying diagonally across it.


            Why I think a child could easily find it there, is because he told children to go out into nature and turn over a log.
            And I am sure that horse could find its way back to the stable, just like Lightnin did, when Forrest and Donnie got lost in my search area when they were 16.

          • Hello Lisa. Thank you for the link. While comparing the Fechin painting in “The Thrill of the Chase” and in his new book, “Once Upon A While,” one will see the paintings are different.

          • Lug, if I knew what “switch” meant to Forrest, I may have found the treasure by now. In one of my many solves, it could refer to a train switch. I also think tobacco plays heavily into the solve…so the “I’d rather fight than switch” could reference that. Switch could also refer to “switching back” or switchback once you are in particular spot or have solved a certain clue. A switchback on the trail to tell you when to go off trail?? Kind of like the polka (dance)…3 quick steps and a hop with lots of twirling about. Do we spin around or switch when we are somewhere specific? Are we hopping over something? Why did he switch one painting for another – clearly altering the photograph? I wish I knew. Purposefully no paragraphs here LOL.

          • Lugnutz and Sandy – if I remember correctly, Forrest’s Dad used the appropriate diameter switch from a Hazel bush to mete out punishment to Forrest. And in order to reach my hidey spot from the Red-Black-Green Tea Traiil #205, Forrest would have had to switch back along the 207 trail to reach my hidey spot. But it would be logical to keep following the 207 all the way back to Highway 287 and The Cabin Creek trailhead, after hiding the bronze chest, because it’s all downhill from “in there”. So that would make a complete loop from where I think he parked his sedan. The photo with him sitting upon Lightning in the L&C story was taken from an overlook on the 205 Trail.

            I imagine that Forrest planned to fish for a final time at my Double Omega Island blaze on Cabin Creek, using a Hazel wand, on his final day:


          • Lugnutz – Forrest had a bike that he used to ride 20 miles from the cabin in West Yellowstone, just to take a bath in the Firehole River. That is about the same distance from West Yellowstone to the Cabin Creek trailhead. And I think he would ride fast, if he was avoiding punishment Or he could have taken that blue boat with the oar that Dal took a picture of, near the Madison Arm of Hebgen Lake. There is a boat put-in just before you get to the dam across the lake from there. He could have pulled the boat out there, left it, and walked right over the dam, less than a mile, to the Cabin Creek trailhead. With his fishing gear.

            Because 20 miles really is TFTW from West Yellowstone, and about 28 miles is equally too far to walk from my WWWH at Madison Junction.

            You and charlie can keep playing with your numbers all you want… I will continue to use my imagination to:

            Be Forrest…

            Be the Chest….

          • Ok Lisa –

            Forrest as a teen can get to your spot in a couple of hours by bike and/or boat. I will just go with that. So forget the distance issue.

            Why Cabin Creek as opposed to the other side of the lake where he made pine needle tee and dragged lodge pole pines?

            What is it that says the Switch clue is related to Cabin Creek? Or the area.


          • Lugnutz – Switch in the Poem:

            There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
            Just heavy loads and water high.

            Forrest escaping the “paddle” by going out Cabin Creek. He had to hike “in there”, so also “no paddle”.

            Being switched by his Dad would be the “heavy loads’. And the “water high” could be tears; Skippy’s, since he always seemed to be switched first. I think Forrest said he didn’t cry.

  78. I think I have this one solved. Fenn is wearing a sherlock homes detective hat holding a pet with a Patagonia jacket. The shot is indoors hinting to the ultra warm jacket.

    Patagonia clothing originated in Ventura, CA. Thus the answer to this riddle is “Ace Ventura pet detective” written by the Canadian Jack Bernstein and played by the Canadian Jim Carry. Thus we are looking for a Canadian Ace. Know of any?

    • May I play Devil’s advocate? (disclaimer: not stating a fact just offering health debate)

      Being indoors with that coat on you would think Forrest must be hot. His dog is named Willie. The coat has Patagonia label on the front.

      I mentioned to Forrest in an email ( that I was thinking about applying to the ALONE survival show, that (at the time of telling him) it was going to be in Patagonia, South America.
      Could the coat label and the puppy be an indicator to me to say…. “Willie, you are warm/hot.” ?

      I just wanted to show you 9equals9, that there can be many perceived ideas to what a picture “could” say. I do like your answer though, nonetheless… at least with the pet detective direction 😛

      • ah, but that would be considered a private hint, something that is unfair and unethical, since no one is privy to this information. It is more likely a smoke screen to take the rest of us off track, since he knows you would automatically interpret it as a secret message and to only you and he is banking on you to tell us all about it. IMO

      • welcome back IW – yes, please feel free to play DA at free random will… given that Oscar was (unjustly imho) extinctimated unnecessarily, so been abit boring lately 🙁

        ..jus sayin[BANNED!!]

        [“extinctamated” isn’t even a darn WORD!! – admin!]

    • 9equals9 –

      Put in below the home of Brown.

      William Henry Brown
      Frederick Elliot Brown
      Arthur Roy Brown

      I think Snoopy wore that Sherlock hat, didn’t he? As well as being a Top Dog and the Flying Ace that defeated Baron Manfred von Richthofen.

    • Sherlock Holmes famously wore a deerstalker cap – rather different from the hat ff’s wearing in this photo.


    • Sherlock Holmes famously wore a deerstalker cap – rather different from the hat ff’s wearing in this photo.


  79. I might put a pile of nickels on Willie the Kidd at the derby myself…the kid can run. Silly Willy!
    Its why is it that I must GO AND LEAVE. Not GO IN LEAVES!

      • *clink*
        [Discreetly slides said pile of nickels hidden in Crown Royal bag underneath bulletproof glass and towards disgruntled attendant behind ticket window]

      • “zip”
        [precariously, he zips up his streamline one-piece latex running suit, taking extra care to comb his hairy feet for better aerodynamics, then saunters toward the starting blocks while practising his suave winking technique]

        [he scans the audience casually to see if Jonsey1 is looking, then promptly trips over a dr. pepper can]

  80. Sorry to learn of the passing of Tesuque. Willie looks adorable. Thank you for sharing the video and name with us, Mr. Fenn.

  81. Lugnutz – DeCall confirmed where that photo of Forrest sitting on Lightning was taken on a previous Key Word thread. He created a map photo taken from the same overlook spot using Google Earth. He has been BOTG on Trail #205 multiple times. He coined the name, Tea Trail in that post.

    And I personally believe that Forrest’s L&C story about he and Donnie traveling on horseback in my search area was near and dear to his heart. It is the foundation of my solve. Not only did he publish that story in the West Yellowstone News in 2008, it was also one of the first stories posted under the blogs on his website. It is not under its book story title, though. The blog title is: From My Memoir The Thrill of the Chase.

    That title seemed pretty significant to me…like a Clarion call in the canyon down.

    • Lisa

      I don’t recall Decall’s work on that. I can try the at archive.

      I am not familiar with 205. I’m familiar with 209 and 215 on the Watkins Creek side of the Lake.


  82. Lugnutz – Yes. And didn’t Forrest say something like a searcher would faint if she knew how close she was? That she would go back and retraced her steps? Since I have only recently made it only 1/2 mile out Cabin Creek, I know that She Searcher was not me. But it could very well have been DG. Especially since Forrest wrote something about betting on her, in one of his scrapbooks. This from DeCall:

    • Lisa

      I and others also thought he was speaking of DG.

      On further reading I came to believe it was not DG, but Cynthia.

      That’s just me

  83. Zap…I brought that one over here lest the “key word” thread gets bogged down with non topic comments.
    The Sharp painting is a glaring example of what may be a good EEgg…but I suspect not in what you are seeing it for. That’s ok though.
    The classic Sherlock hat…I don’t see it, I mean…that’s just not it.
    Here’s a tidbit for you(and others)…Who’s the founder and billionaire, of Patagonia Clothing? Check him out and see what you see.
    There’s plenty more…but…it’s just a premature EEgg hunt….unless…

      • Right and I don’t know why folks are calling it that. Maybe Sherlock helps them so they found a place to use it.


        • The deerstalker is the more famous hat worn by Sherlock, coming from the illustrations that accompanied the stories in The Strand, but Basil Rathbone who played the character in 1940s films wore this style of hat in many of the movies:

          Mr. Fenn’s hat is very similar, so that’s probably why people are talking about it.

          • JP

            I saw the link from pdenver. Rathnbone wore a Tweed Trilby. That’s cool. That’s why I made the comment that the same people expect me to believe in on case Fenn is a genius that imbedded clues and coordinates in poetic lines that follow meter and rhyme, and THEN that he’s an aww shucks novice who doesn’t associate the the proper hat with the vkue that he’s disseminating.

            But I digress.

            Fenn is referencing Sherlock Holmes. Ok. Why? What does that tell anyone about where the TC is or WWH?


          • I think Zap’s reply is spot on. But again, I think this is the problem with focusing on things other than the poem. This SB has already generated a plethora of ideas, most if which are likely to be incorrect, even if there are genuine hints embedded in it (which I believe there are).

          • Lugnutz: it could be as simple as a pictorial way of saying “Put on your detective hats and look for subtle hints hidden in this picture.” I personally don’t think it has anything to do with Sherlock Holmes. Perhaps Forrest wearing a very warm jacket indoors is just his way of reiterating, “Your effort will be worth the cold.”

          • Zap

            And I think he’s a rich man walking in from his garage with his thousand dollar puppy with what and jacket on because it was cold coming back from the airport.


          • I don’t either, it just keeps his head warm driv8ng out to the airport to pickup his Brister puppy.

          • Lugnutz, I think you should disguise your animosity toward the wealthy a little better. It’s unbecoming.

          • Zap –

            You’re reading into my comments.
            I have no animosity towards the wealthy. I am describing the scene. He is quite literally wearing the coat that all the dudes are wearing in Sante fe, Vail, etc.

            It’s not a poof mans coat not is he holding a poor man’s puppy.

            Just a description.

          • Hi Lug — okay, fair enough. It just came across a little smug to me, that’s all.

            You don’t have to be rich to own a Patagonia jacket — they’re not that expensive. And $1000 for a dog these days is nothing, so that’s why I thought it was a little odd to mention those things in the context of what we’re debating.

          • Ok, I was just trying to emphasize that this is just a normal scene for F.

            He’s just wearing a coat and hat because someone drove him to the airport to get the dog.

            They stepped in the house and maybe he said, Hey Shiloh, I want s picture with the pup to show Zap. That’s my version.

            You version would be like:
            Shiloh I have a puppy coming in on a plane from tx. It’s a High in! Get the hint like the Bourbon kings had. Pick me up a Patagonia jacket to hint at the Continental Divide. There more Shi, I need a hat like Sherlock Holmes. No not the Deerstalker from the Strand, get the trilby from the Rathnbone pics. One more thing, make sure to get the light switch in the background. What’s that Shi? Oh great idea will hang Cheyenne behind me.


          • Lugnutz, sometimes I get the feeling that if you flipped a coin 40 times and it came up heads every time, you’d chalk it up to coincidence without even checking if the coin had heads on both sides.

          • How about 185 times (give or take an extra point here and there and a missing #32)?

            Lug, so what is the motivation behind this spewing of words and images about things as fascinating as F’s bathroom habits, his need to keep cutlery and phone lines straight, his spice rack, his hobnobbing with the rich and famous? Narcissism? OCD? Need for attention? Laughing at the gullible?

            The poem is cryptic. It’s not simply a literal description of traveling from point A to point B (if that were the case, we could have all gone back to our humdrum lives long ago). The poem’s author is clearly a master of disguise, hiding complex directions in plain sight. If he does that with the poem, why not with the Scrapbooks, etc.? What makes one divorced from the other?

            The real problem, as I see it, is not whether there are hints, but how they can be applied. Many searchers spend nearly all their time trying to build a scenario from hints rather than the poem, and end up far down some dark rabbit hole or other. I suspect it’s because the poem has them stumped, and so they think that its difficulties can be circumvented. IMO, the poem has to be tackled head on. In the end, it’s the only way you have a chance of finding the treasure. YMMV.

          • Vox –

            I allow that he may have done some hintingbor winking before the date he said he won’t give out more clues.

            But what I have been asking anyone for is a hintbthatbpoints to anything specific. I haven’t seen anyone say anything that couldn’t be applied elsewhere. You read whatpwolw write here. A lot is absurd. The idea that he picked a dog breed as a hint isn’t just absurd it’s insulting to the man’s family.

            Can you not see that? Also everyone thinks these hints are for Montana. Are yiubsearcjing Mintana?4


          • Lug, there wouldn’t be much point in offering up how a hint references something specific, because you would refuse to accept it, and point out how it could mean many different things – which of course it could (hence the digging of rabbit holes). That, of course, doesn’t mean that there aren’t hints, simply that people’s interpretations differ. And that’s why we should concentrate on the poem.

            I found this particular scrapbook full of hints that were very useful to me – not to help me move forward, but to confirm what I’d already discovered. I wouldn’t dream of putting those out in the public domain because I’m right at the end of my search now, and would prefer to go in there alone!

            I’m not sure why you worry so much about whether the hints are real or figments of people’s imagination. If they are of no value to you, then you could just ignore them and carry on with your research and analysis of the poem. To be honest, I think that would be the most sensible use of anyone’s time. I tried (not always successfully) to ignore the scrapbooks during the years I spent working on the poem’s clues. But now I have what I need, I’m happy to peruse them and see what might offer confirmation.

            As far as the dog breed is concerned, I doubt he picked it specifically to serve as a clue, but maybe he was able to use it to fulfill his SB needs. He could just as easily have used something else that produced the same result. So there’s no insult here that I can see.

            You mention Montana, and certainly there are pointers towards Montana, but maybe that’s not the whole story…

          • voxpops – i believe you’ve hit the nail on the head with “hiding complex directions in plain sight” as this philosophy is how i interpret the ‘architecture’ within the poem to mean, to level the playing field fairly and effectively imho

            and yes, overthinking possible hints seems rather distracting from the task at hand if you asked me – and this is evident coz no-one seems to be chattering on the WWWH thread much lately.. infact, i think it’s gathering a layer of cyber-dust 🙁

            ( ..i will if you will 🙂 )

          • CH, you’re right, IMO. If the solution required extensive reading and interpretation of multiple subjects at PhD level, how would you ever know what to use and what to discard?

            The poem is where it’s at, and it’s a 24-line self-contained marvel. FF has bent over backwards to help people get started with the solution, but the rest is down to us.

            As for WWWH, I already did – a few years ago on this very site! No one paid attention then, and they won’t now, so I’m not going to repeat myself!

            Your turn! 😉

          • Curious Hobbit: I just pulled 40 out of a hat because it equated to roughly trillion-to-one odds. If you could flip a coin once a second, 40 consecutive heads (on a fair coin) would come up about once every 35,000 years.

          • Zap

            That isn’t true.
            You can flip a coin and have it come up heads 40 times in a row. The 50 50 odds refer to all the coins ever flipped by anyone.

            You can use probability to attempt to predict the outcome of the tossed coin, but the odds of each coin are 50 50, right?

            Your thoughts here inform me about your thoughts towards hints or eggs.


          • voxpops – saw your mention about PhD level subjects for interpretation:

            “If the solution required extensive reading and interpretation of multiple subjects at PhD level, how would you ever know what to use and what to discard?”

            I firmly believe that, if one were applying PhD level research or subjects, it would put them at a “disadvantage” in solving the chase. Don’t ask me to explain that – I certainly don’t mean that in any way as an insult to those who have a PhD. I just think that level of theoretical knowledge or application of methods at the level offers no help in the solution. IMO

          • Zap – I like your posts regarding probability and the coin toss.

            As probability applies to the correct solution, it’s my belief that correctly solving the information in the poem would place the solution with almost 1 in 1 million chance of the it being a coincidence. This is also why the person who correctly solves it will go with confidence to the spot. IMO

          • Yes, Lug, my statistical statement IS true. I specifically provided the expectation of it happening: roughly one instance per 35,000 years at one coin flip per second. Yes, sure, it ~could~ happen the very first 40 coin flips. But the odds are 1.1 trillion-to-1 against that happening.

          • No sir,

            Those are the odds against You doing it. The odds of anyone doing it ever are much kower.

            But you are not talking about the odds.

            You can use probability to predict the outcome of each subsequent flip as they remain heads and that’s what your talking about. A mathematical equation they predicts the 40 flip.

            I mention this on the heals of our discussions about coincidence. The previous discussion seemed to upset you which is why you made the remark about me and the 40 flip.

            If you want to read a book about coincidence I would recommend one. I do get the feeling you may find the suggestion offensive.

            I find coincidence really fascinating. A lot if famous coincidences seem absolutely impossible.


          • Lugnutz — I just don’t think you have a good understanding of how probability and statistics works. The coin flip example is not even debatable. If the odds of an individual occurrence are 50%, it is a simple matter to mathematically expand that to determine the statistical likelihood of a certain specific pattern coming up (in this case 40 consecutive heads).

            I mentioned this example specifically because I suspected that you wouldn’t think it was remarkable if it happened to you, when the sensible interpretation would be that “something fishy is going on” — the coin either has heads on both sides, or is in some way “loaded.” But I sense that your reaction would be, “It’s not unusual. There’s nothing to see here.”

            The relevance of all this to the Chase is that based on your perception that all coincidences are random, you would be incapable of finding deliberate hints if Forrest DID leave them. In other words, there is no combination of evidence that would allow you to conclude that a pattern was deliberate vs. happenstance. That being the case, finding hints is an impossibility.

          • For the gents who enjoy arguing statistics… Consider the amount of energy you redirect into replies and pontifications as potentially better spent on researching hypernym patterns found in the book as compared with the poem. Statistically speaking, your odds will be considered much better in solving the puzzle with that exercise than with this one.

          • EC –

            If you are making a list of ALL the hypernym in The Thrill of the Chase I would love to see that!

            Wait, maybe I remember F saying

            Read the poem slowly 6 or 8 times. Then go back and read the book being careful to note any possible word associations. Then do the same with all the scrapbooks that I will produce. After you have collected all the hypernym data run an algorithm that will assign a probable location for Warm Waters Halt. Of course you need to consider the coordinates and keywords I’ve hidden in my rhyming text. Oh and you must develop an understanding of the postage stamps and why I forced my grand kids to name they’re horse Lollypop!. Two rights do not make you wrong.

            Just kidding EC, you’re the best!

          • Lug – not that it matters to most folks, but I intend to release my set of research tools that does almost all of that (minus analysis of custom text like scrapbooks and interviews and blog posts). It focuses on words found in the book and the poem, and USGS data within the defined search zone. The website, when it goes live as time permits in the weeks or months ahead, will be called The site includes use of WordNet, OpenStreetMap, USGS geospatial data, the ability to download KMZ formats, vis.js, and I’ve been using TensorFlow for pattern emergence based on linguistic analytics like hypernyms, synonyms, and homonyms / homophones. I’m also using tomcat to run my jsp / servlets, and MySQL to store user-defined custom and other immutable stuff. This is based on Fenn repeating that he looked up words. Therefore, the words and their usages would be considered significant.

            Pattern “themes” (re)discovered and suggested by the tool include train industry terms, periodic table terms, units of measure terms, chronogram conversion, Major system mnemonic conversion, etc. Most of these methods are focused on relating words to numbers for the purpose of plotting coordinates to a map. Since toponyms are off the table per an MW post, using feature names found on a map would now seem insignificant (still included in the tool) so I can only assume the other way to use a map would be through coordinates.

          • EC –

            That sounds truly awesome!
            I commend you because you are releasing a lot of info they many would never consider sharing.

            As to what might be helpful in terms of the geography let me expound a little.

            Trying to figure out what Fenn meant when he said Warm Waters Halt is confounding. For example if to Fenn Warm is equivalent to the color Blue, it doesn’t present for us in our thinking. The original might have read Blue Water Bay and Fenn made that Warm Waters Halt. We do not really have any basis for analogy. That’s one of the reasons this Treasure Hunt is unique.

            So I think word associations are helpful on the map BUT we would be looking for the actual names before he obscured them and not a place where Warm Waters Halt. So what helps? Patterns help and repetition helps. Fenn said he did not realize he placed the hints but if we look we can find them, just as he did. So it can’t be obvious. Everyone taking Brown Gravy and looking for a muddy creek is on a fool’s errand. It wouldn’t be that simple.

            I am really looking forward to what you have to post and maybe I can add to it.


          • E.C.: This statement is erroneous:

            “Since toponyms are off the table per an MW post, using feature names found on a map would now seem insignificant (still included in the tool) …”

            Toponymy has nothing to do with the ~existence~ of labeled names on a map. Rather, it has to do with the taxonomy OF those names: the historical etymology of place names, if you will. For instance, you don’t have to know how the Gibbon River got its name to be able to use it as a waypoint.

          • Zap – thank you for this clarification. I’ve not been paying attn to this blog in some time, so I apologize if this has already been discussed and previously agreed.

            Certainly I do appreciate this clarification if it matches what Fenn intended in his response. It re-opens possibilities that I (for myself) had previously shut down because of how I had interpreted his response. Plus the tool will be more fun to use for those who also subscribe to this way of thinking.

          • E.C.: and by the way, happy to have you back. As for toponymy, yes it was vigorously discussed when it came out, though I wouldn’t say there was harmonious universal agreement that it meant place names were safely in play. There are prominent searchers who surely disagree with that conclusion. But I was happy to see that in spite of your initial suspicion that the pronouncement from Fenn excluded place names as clue answers, you didn’t exclude that possibility from your tool.

    • K or Z

      Is either of you willing to tell me what you think the painting or painter points at?

      Thank you

      • Lug…honestly I don’t believe that EEgg definitively represents any movement closer to the treasure. I’ll just keep it simple and say that it may be a nod to someone/something special to Fenn. End of story…

        • ken

          Ok sure, I think some people just find it fun to talk about these things with each other.

          Enough people know who I am that I get emails about hints or eggs etc. I can’t share anything that comes that way right? But I have never seen anything that makes a lightbulb go off. Usually it all just nonsense.

          Charlie was good enough to post something on HoD that shows how he sees hints. Ton T is doing the same. In either case I don’t see the connection from the book or poem to the location. Then they get upset when I don’t agree.

          Maybe Zap will take pity on me and explain how the picture of the old man standing by his garage door holding his new puppy informs us as to a location.


          • Lug…I do see other things…and they do make sense with the rest of the ingredients. You know…it is tough to contribute and not go too far. I know your philosophy on “Just tell me…and we can both see why it doesn’t make sense.” This is just not the case in this instance.
            I do like your sense though!

          • Here’s a quickie to think about…The Bichon was a breed preferred by Kings for its good nature and size…a convenient companion as it were.
            The Trilby is/was a hat favored more by the well to do.
            Patagonia was started by Yvon Chouinard(now billionaire) who is an avid fly fisherman, mountaineer, environmentalist, falconer, who is known for his inventions in environmentally oriented climbing apparatus. He hand forged a lot of different stuff. (one of my daughters is into climbing that’s how I know that stuff). Look up tenkara…interesting as well.
            Does any of that help you get closer?

          • Hi Lisa…Yes…that is easily looked up on the www. To be honest…I don’t spend too much time in that regard.
            My point was to just link a few tidbits that “may” correlate why Fenn does what he does in his offerings. Interesting stuff…and it could just be a hint or two…or just an elderly guy having a blast ensuring he has a memorable Legacy.

      • Lugnutz – Regarding the JH Sharp painting, entitled, Cheyenne Camp. There are two teepee showing, and next to one of them, it looks like a Cheyenne Indian is bending down to pet a dog. I kind of hope not, though:

        *According to the
        wikipedia article on Dog meat, attitudes towards dogs varied between different groups. It mentions that Comanche considered dog eating abhorrent, while great plains groups like the Sioux and Cheyenne consumed it without qualm though there was a taboo against eating wolves, perhaps for religious reasons.”

        I think it was Anna that mentioned over at Mike’s there is a Cheyenne location within the Crow Reservation in Montana or Wyoming. That is probably where JH Sharp did the painting.

        • Sure and everything in the his house is a reference to an Indian tribe or pueblo or Spaniard but that doesn’t make them clues.


          • Lugnutz – Forrest has over 3,000 books in his collection in his library at home; some of them very rare books. Watch that video that Dal made, that you recommended, again. Like several journals kept by members of regiments at Custer’s Last Stand, for instance.

            Did I mention that John Stands in Timber was the Cheyenne Memory Keeper, and had been consulted frequently by authors for the Native American perspective of that battle? And that the priests called him Forrest in the White school?

            I would guess Forrest used some of all that knowlege, that he used to write several books about Indians and artists who painted and studied them, to design The Chase.

            But that’s just me…

          • Yes and F says we do not need history, actually the question was

            Also a knows he of history help. He said no.


          • Lugnutz – Here you go:

            Mr. Fenn, Is there any level of knowledge of US history that is required to properly interpret the clues in your poem. ~Steve R

            No Steve R,
            The only requirement is that you figure out what the clues mean. But a comprehensive knowledge of geography might help.

            Note: US history in the question and the limiting use of the word, ‘required’. Forrest reiterates that we need to find out what the clues mean…

            That is the only ‘requirement’.

            And Google all the meanings for ‘geography:. Because he used the words ‘comprehensive knowledge of’. That’s a pretty broad area of study. And I perceive that it includes the history and anthropology of worldwide culture s. After looking at every definition I could find.

            But that’s just me.

          • Lisa, so what do you find in the poem that helps you to narrow down the incalculably vast array of anthropological, cultural and related material? Don’t forget that you have to follow the clues precisely. Can anthropology lead you unequivocally to precise spots without force-fitting or imposing a solution onto the poem?

          • Lugnutz – Forrest said the comprehensive knowledge of geography would “help”. It has helped me confirm my solve. The CLUES I found in The Poem, matched to my locations, my “a good map”, provided that solution. I emailed it to Forrest, back in March/April of 2013.

            The clues and hints I found in book excerpts and the later scrapbooks, and here on the blogs, have provided continuos confirmation of that solution. I have yet to have any information or searcher counter it. including you. And by sharing freely here on all the blogs, I have definitely tried to do that. Thank you for helping me with all of your questions and comments to vette my solve.

    • Hi ken — I agree that it’s more like a Jacques Clouseau (Clue-seau!) hat, but I’m not (yet) using the hat for anything. Patagonia works for me. The Sharp painting works for me. And Willie the new pooch, too. The light switch: nah, unless one wants to connect light switches to light bulbs (idea!) Imagination is more important than knowledge, dontcha know.

      • I know Zap…right. There’s a ton more if one wants to go that far…I only scratched the little itches.
        I still think the poem and books are the key elements, and this stuff is just some extra gravy for the palette. Hang tough!

  84. Iron will,
    Have you isolated the sound on that video and speed it up to see what it says?

  85. Dear Mr. Fenn,
    I am very sorry to hear of the loss of your beloved Tesuque.

    Windy City

  86. Thanks all for the sound updates!
    You guys rock!
    gonna have to give it a listen When I get better reception Jeremy.
    Glad your back iron will!

          • Could be. But in this case they are actually calling Boss the dog to c’mon. Boss isn’t especially fond of Willie, so, IMO, doesn’t want to get too close.

            I’m currently working on a short video of Willie licking the frito pie out of Desertphile’s beard. Or maybe Willie thought the beard was his momma. Stay tuned…

  87. Sure, he picks breeds of dogs and horses and names them all to give hints to the Montana searchers.

    Absolutely, go get it guys!

    • I think Forrest is just sharing life with his beloved pets, with all of us. Not a clue. Once in awhile a hint here and there.

  88. OMG Cynthia. Perfect song choice! You share so many gems with us. Thanks for being you. Big smiles here 🙂

  89. Could be some symbols and metaphors portrayed in this SB.

    Who is Goya?
    What breed of dog did he paint?
    How did politics affect him in his latter years? Any parrallel to FF?
    What is the CEO of Patagonia up to legally?
    What does the Utah Governor, Legislature and majority of citizens think about this? The Native Americans?
    What rules on the land are typically imposed after Feds take control?
    How does FF feel about this? Stories in his books give lots of clues.
    Could little trees being planted represent FF fans and followers who will take his ideas and philosophy and grow them into big trees?

  90. Thanx for sharing Mr. Fenn. It seems our 15 year old cat Caspian is on the mend and we’ll get to enjoy his company a little while longer. How is it that our pets can hold such a place in our hearts?

  91. OMG that puppy video made me smile and cry it was so stinking cute! I like to think I’m as happy as Willie while treasure hunting then I wipe out and get discouraged but try to pick myself up and act like nothing happened and put the smile back on and run some more!

    • That’s the key. Like the old song says, “Pick your self up – Dust yourself off, and start all over again.” – “The agony of defeat, the thrill of the glory.” – JDA

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