Looking in Colorado…



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  1. Please folks, dont attempt to take a “box store” inflateable raft in the Arkansas R. during the spring or early summer. Imo,
    FORREST DID NOT use a raft in hiding
    Indulgence. Above 600 cfs flow the Arkansas can be deadly for wading. Trust me, I had a temp job working for USGS water resources, and was in the Ark. far more than I liked.

  2. ps… look at it this way, from Minneapolis to New Orleans, the Mississippi R. only drops an av. of 0.68 ft/mi. From Buena Vista, Co. to Can(y)on City, the Arkansas drops 32.1 f/mi.
    (3 stories).

  3. Colorado is close enough for Fenn to drive there and back in one day.
    Colorado is the least mentioned search state in Fenn’s stories.
    Driving through Colorado is the only sensible route from Temple to Yellowstone.
    In SB 101 Fenn said: “I thought some small college in Colorado would give me an honorary PhD in Anthropology or Physiology. But they didn’t.”
    Fenn’s response to a Colorado residents E-mail: “I agree that you are in an ideal location from which to search for the treasure.”
    Fenn’s comment after Paris Wallace’s death: “No one knows the dangers that lurk in the mountains more than those living in Colorado.”
    And Preston’s infamous line about Fenn leaving his car in the parking lot of the Denver Museum of Nature and Science.
    Just some of my observations…

    • Also in SB 107 Colorado is the only search state that appears on the back of a $5 bill.
      “He Who Teaches a Child Labors with God in His Workshop.” is inscribed over the east door of Kepner Hall at the University of Northern Colorado.

      Interesting that UNC was originally founded to train teachers for public schools and was called “Colorado State Teachers College” until 1935.

      • Our current governor misinterpreted Colorado’s Headwater State status to claim once (on-air) that all rivers in Colorado start in Colorado; no river starts in another state and runs into Colorado.

        Which is nearly true – except for the Green River, which is a pretty big exception.


      • Hi Randawg, here’s a new rope…. Hemingway didn’t go to college, but Fitzgerald went to Princeton & Salinger went to Columbia. I imagine ff was familiar with all of them as he flew by.

  4. Every page of the Colorado Atlas has some place named Brown.
    Which one to choose? Brown Mountain over here, or over there?
    I found one north of Telluride called Homer Brown Spring. I’m Lost.

    • Colorado = red = red herring = smoked kipper = fishy smell = stinks = not there!

      (With apologies to all Colorado searchers, and only in my frequently screwed-up opinion!)

      • Why add “herring?” why not apple, or cherry, or brick, or blood, or rover, or cards, or beard, or robin, or Baron, or tailed fox, or some other Red…?

    • I have to admit that Colorado is my favorite search state, but I don’t know exactly why. Maybe it is the mystique and lore of Colorado as the epitome of what we know as the Rocky Mts of the United States, or maybe it is in part because I live in southern Arizona, and WY and MT are so damn hard to get to from here. Of course NM is closer, but there’s so little territory to explore between Santa Fe and the CO border, and much of it is on Tribal lands or private land grants.

      I have searched one location in WY (Fenn Creek, can you believe it??), three locations in CO, and one location in NM (with no success of course in any). My research has produced about 13 HOB’s in the Rockies of CO. Now that might not seem like a large number, but bear in mind that these are not obscure references in some book or metaphorical concepts, but rather places found on published maps. By comparison I found 8 places in MT, 8 places in WY, and only one in northern NM.

      I have made a map of the Colorado Rocky Mts (including a small slice of extreme southern WY and far northern NM) with all these HOB’s, as well as other information related to elevation, land ownership, and important drainage divides/passes. The map also shows locations of some published solves which I am aware of. I made this for my own use but am willing to share it if there is enough interest out there.

      So let me know, all you Searchers paying attention to this site. Does this appeal to anyone’s interest?

      • Hi, my email adr: meevjen@gmail.com in case you can send your map that way? Nice of you o offer sharing it. I have ten years in the CO Rockies in the Grand Lake area. Now, however am in CA The area near the lakes is headwaters to CO River. Of course, not to far away is the lovely Hot Sulphur Springs location with Byers Canyon heading west from there, an interesting area to me. Adios, thanks for listening. Mary.

      • Hi McKendree, I am always looking for more info, ideas and different views. If You could send it to me Chris_Bama@netzero.com I would enjoy looking at it and I appreciate Your willingness to share Your map. Thanks, Chris

      • Are you female, McKendree? The reason I ask is Fenn said that if that searcher knew who she was (who was within 200 feet of the treasure) she’d probably faint and then go back where she’d been!

        • Jeremy, Fenn was talking about Stephanie, who had already searched all 4 states in about 40 BOTG, so doesn’t help much.

          • Wow if that’s really who he was talking about, being so close, I’d love to know where she has been in Colorado!

          • I don’t recall f ever making a statement as to whom the “she” is in his comment. If my calculations are correct, “she” is not Stephanie.

          • Hi Slurbs: the “she” was definitely someone there in attendance in the Moby Dickens book store, and not the one who would faint if they knew they were one of the searchers who had deciphered the first two clues.

          • Hi Slurbs: inflection in his voice and how he directed his look to the room when he said it. I wasn’t there, so I don’t know who he was directing that look toward. Perhaps Toby knows? I’ve heard people suggest it was Stephanie, but whoever it was was off-camera, so I can’t even speculate.

          • It is fairly simple to see that it makes no difference at all who he was speaking of. Those [she’s] know who they may be and none of them have found the treasure. Folks that speculate about it may be setting themselves up for a good dose of confirmation bias simply by reading some of the tales of previous searches at that time.
            The one really good piece of information from that statement from Fenn is that it is certainly possible for ANYONE to get that close….

      • I’d very much appreciate some help! My e-mail is aldridgeg at goldmail dot etsu dot edu. (Months and months late sorry…)

      • If it’s not too late I’d love to take a look… I’m a spectator right now, but want to take an adventure with the hubs and this is the best thing possible. If it’s still available my email is rebeccaraephillips93@gmail.com

    • Don’t feel alone. I also found more than one of the same home of Brown places you refer to in my own personal research. As to whether any of these are crucial to the Search I can’t answer at this point, but would not discount this possibility.

      • Your a kind person McK for doing this. Im not searching in CO, but maybe something will click for another.

        Good luck to us!

  5. I love Colorado. There is a direct flight into Denver from where I live. Why Colorado though? Im still devoted to Wyoming. Hopelessly devoted….

  6. I spent 7 days looking in southwestern Colorado the week of Thanksgiving, so Yes Virginia there is a SC, I mean TC in Colorado.

  7. Mr wife and I were seriously considering moving to Colorado to get away from the Pac NW rain and be close to my big bro. It’s a lovely state, but common sense prevailed as we knew we’d eventually be drawn to move back because of our children, which soon proved true because our granddaughter Emma was borne a few years later and is now the joy of our lives.


  8. There are many clues that lead me to Colorado. Although I have searched places in Northern NM and Montana as well. There are 2 places in Colorado that I’ve searched. Definately clues that appear relevant at both places. I feel that I am missing something, that I am right there. I’ve been tired, weak and in the wood every time…

    Good luck everyone.

  9. Go ahead, rub my nose it, but I deserve it. LOL.

    Like many others, sometimes I really hate spell check. So to correct my pathetic blunder, I meant to say “my”.


  10. Just dropped TTOTC and Wyoming atlas off to my father in Wyoming with my notes…meanwhile I’ll be covering the multitudes of search starting points here in Colorado and New Mexico. Happy to have my father in on the hunt with me!

    Stay wild!

    • Right on LoLo! I wish him luck. He’s in the right state. I think it’s great your Dad wants to help.

  11. good luck to all who search the Colorado rockies but do remember the safety of it dress warm. winters can be harsh in a moment here there are a lot of bushes to look under here as a native of colo please be wiseand stay safe

  12. McKendree,
    Your map sounds interesting. I have no doubt that my HOB is not on your map. At least I’d be shocked if it were, of course. I’d like to take an appreciated look at your map… abq new key @ hot mail .com. Just get rid of all of those spaces. IMO, my solve is complete minus having the chest in my posession. Don’t count her out, glad to see that Amy is still in the game ! Oh yeah, almost forgot,.. I subscribe to this thread, not many others though.

  13. It’s nice to see that Colorado finally gets a discussion section moved to the archives! It was the only holdout.

  14. To anyone requesting me to email them my Colorado Treasure Map:

    My plan is to post the map on this blog site, with a short explanation. If this does not work out, or if the map is not readable because of its detail and scale, I might consider emailing it to individuals (as long as there are not hundreds of requests). I’m not sure anything of this nature has ever been put on one of the Search blog sites. It would be an experiment. Maybe Dal can weigh in with his opinion?


    • Posting it to the blog would be a good idea. Just email it to Dal and I’m sure he would post it.

    • McKendree, Sounds like you have put a lot of time and talent into this offer and I would love to see what you produced. How can someone request a copy? I suspect that you are correct in that the, “map is not readable because of its detail and scale,” and that prohibiting Dal’s site from posting it and doing it justice. How can I take advantage of your generous offer and order a copy from you? Thanks!

      • Send me your email address. I have so far heard from three other persons with requests for the map. Please realize that this is only a preliminary map for review and comments, not a final product. It is a form of beta testing to see if it is useful and how it could be improved.

        • I’m very interested in seeing (and of course sharing comments and data on) your map, McKendree.

          All of my real searching has been in the Colorado River drainage part of the search area (waters that eventually reach the Grand Canyon, from the Green River WY to the San Juan NM, and all the waters on the Colorado west slope).


          * = @

        • McKendree, That was very kind of you to offer to share your creation. I often wondered how someone could produce such a complex work of art. If you would send it to: exec dir @ unit edchris tians .us it will be forwarded to me (trust you know that without all the extra spaces in the email address, this blog will not allow this posting). I would appreciate that very much and would be happy to provide any feedback you desire on the beta version. Thanks, again!

    • If it’s not too late, I would love to see a copy of your map. I would love to take a trip to Colorado in the Spring – it would be a fun adventure (treasure or no treasure).

      Thank you.

  15. Colomtnman, I am not the one distributing the map. I am not the maker of the map. I only requested to view said map. You can relay your email to McKendree.

  16. 53 mountains in Colorado are over 14,000 ft in elevation, if we could effectively flatten those out, it would be a state bigger than Texas…

    I feel Colorado is definitely in the mix of where/how to find Indulgence, ff mentioned that we need to look at the big picture, that is a very big picture, perfectly framed by its 4 borders, the only question I have about that elevation is his telling us that the TC sits between 5,000′ and 10,200′ in elevation, and its near a mountain top?

    So just to level the playing field what mountain top of those 53
    14 ers has a unique place near its summit that might be 5K to 10.2K ?

    Logic is sometimes lost in our imagination but I am going out on a ledge or use some common knowlege here and state that IF indulgence is near one of those beautiful giants of the Rockies Range it will be a very close plateau or ridge with some safe approaches?, but no human trail nearby?, sounds like a calm place and must have an approach where an 80 year old or your grandkids could walk safely?

    Any Ideas? Garden of the Gods get’s two thumbs up for it’s name, Glenwood and Browns Canyon too… but you Colorado people know your state better than me, all I ever do is ski there and use to Kayak some when I was not fishing… since you live there and I live in NM. Talk me through the terrain.


    • Tom,

      I’m working on CO, too. Gaining a “comprehensive knowledge of geography ” during the winter months. I live half time in Santa Fe, half time in Massachusetts and just spent the weekend exploring the southwestern corner of CO.

    • Hi, Tom Terrific. If the Colorado 14ers are a possibility in your solve, there is no better resource than the website 14ers.com. Lots of route descriptions and trip reports with photos posted and it’s all organized per individual peaks.

    • TT – Mt Evans and Pikes Peak both have driving access to the peaks…easy walk IMO. As for areas less than 10K’ elevation, that is typically below treeline in most of CO, a look at any topo will show that the area increases quickly as you come down from any peak, so you’ll likely need a lot more specifics/other clue linkages to get anywhere (imo). Given FF’s statement about ’79/80 yo wouldn’t go up and down a canyon twice’ (paraphrasing) I think it unlikely he’d be climbing mountains…and 96% of 14ers require 1 way hikes longer than 2 miles (and most trails starting above 8K). Now, I’m not trying to say a 14er can’t play into a solve in some way, just IMO I don’t think the final spot is near one. You also might want to look up how many peaks there are above 12K’…again, better have some very good linkages to pinpoint an area IMO. Good luck, good to keep thinking on new things during the winter.

  17. I think it is in Colorado. I can’t get there till early summer besides it is even cold here in oklahoma. No point tromping around in snow where I am going……definitely not wading in the freezing water. . I saw that meet up post but I can’t plan out that far.

    • Hello Amanda (neighbor),
      I live next door in Arkansas and you are right… it’s been cold the past few days. Good luck on your Colorado search this summer…. try to stay warm…. until next time… see ya 🙂

  18. Ok, I’m going to chime in here. I’m a Colorado native and have spent alot of time in the mountains and canyons of this state. Please, people keep your head square on your shoulders out here, as beautiful as it is, it’s dangerous too. Phones don’t always work, weather moves quickly, temps can go from 50s to below freezing in less than an hour. If you plan on going out, tell people where you are going, when you will be back and stick to it. Don’t change your plan without telling anyone.
    You can’t find the treasure if your injured or dead.
    Just remember, stop and ask yourself, could an 80 year old man do this?

  19. Our map of Colorado from 1896 arrived today. I’m surprised how many more names there are on this map vs more modern ones. Good representations of all the Railroads at the time.

  20. Lucky you.I’ve been looking at those rr maps on line. Hard to see. Specifics. What would be even cooler is an old trail map and not just the main ones.

    • Yeah the writing is so tiny on some of it I literally have to get my numismatic loupe out to read some of the stuff.

  21. Speaking of maps I have the following paper ones from back when I used to run around there. I do not need them besides I won’t revisit these places as they make me sad as that was back when my husband was alive. If your a hiker or need them for the search let me know. Some are in good condition some not so much.
    I have the following: 7 USGS 7.5 min quads : Cheesman Lake, Farnum Peak, Cripple Creek north, ,Como,, Dakan mt, McCurdy mt, Cripple Creek South
    2 National Geographic Trails Map:
    Pikes Peak Canyon city and Tarryall Mrs Keosha Pass
    3 BLM maps:
    Gunnison, Leadville and Bailey
    Don’t want money just trade for a cool ball cap, xl t-shirt or something simple from where your from. But take them all.
    If your interested email me at Amanda.Jimenez@EarthLink.net

  22. Heading out tomorrow to search two places in Co, one mine, one for another who can’t get there.

  23. Blower 8″ Big Pow day at Loveland yesterday and more overnight. Whiteout most of day but lower elevations mostly clear. SW CO in major drought and searching will be good. Bears haven’t hibernated in Durango this year so don’t go down no dark alleys!

  24. How kind of you to search an area for someone else who is unable to. I hope the snow doesn’t impact your search area’s. If it does, just remember until the TC is found, there’s always tomorrow! Good luck with your hunt.

    • We’ve searched for others several times so far. I really like it as we wind up in paces I would have never thought to go to. Also learning what snafus and probs one can run into, which helps me in mine, as well.

  25. What I have found is that I’m more impeded by large metal bars closing areas off than I am by any snow or ice. That was definitely the case this week! Grrr….

    • I was possibly in that same spot last weekend- I didn’t want to trespass, but thinking of the first line, As I have gone alone in there and with my treasures bold- almost convinced me not to tarry and just go for it knowing that I would be alone in there as Forrest was with no one else around. The whole area is perfect for FF and clues relating to his statements surround you!

  26. If “riches” mean money, then…
    1. the profile of Lincoln on a penny can be overlaid almost exactly on eastern edge of the rocky mountains in Colorado. (Saw this on the tv show, Blacklist.).
    2. And only eligible state listed on back of $5 bill (Lincoln Memorial image) is Colorado.
    3. Colorado is the eligible state with city called Portland as in $10,000 bank note.
    4. Forrest’s pilot idol is buried at Air Force Academy at Colorado Springs.
    5. Quarters, dimes etc mentioned many times minted in Denver.

    On a side note, Brown, (a lady from Pueblo) gave her hair which was used in Vietnam War era for ‘crosshairs’ in airplane targeting equipment. She was recognized and got a USA award for it.

    Just my two cents on Colorado.

    • Forrest’s pilot idol chapter mentioned “break glass”. And Glass is Signature of Treasurer. Forgot to add that above in #4.

      • And there is a great ‘marvel’ in both Steve Canyon & from balcony looking east.
        Both in Colorado.

        Colorado Rivers have ‘bathing tubs’ on side of canyon.

        James Brown bridge, Brown Cabin and Brown Tram Route near Estes. Molly Brown and Rudyard Kipling have ties to Leadville.

        Colorado 1\2 way between Temple, Tx & Yellowstone.
        Colorado is chock full of many possible clues! (But I’m still a MT fan)
        CO is the only state he doesn’t mention in TTOTC, I think.

        • He mentions Colorado indirectly in “The Long Ride Home” when he says they drove across five states to get to Temple.

  27. Colorado is my State-but mostly because of that weird semi-colon Fenn used?! Very Tricky Fenn!

    • doublecrossed74

      “The end is ever drawing nigh;

      This tells you it’s in Colorado? I have never heard that before. I am of the opinion it means to pause and figure out where you walk to next in order to experience heavy loads and water high. Enlighten me?


      • Franklin, try ski lifts with a lake who’s name you might know but not its meaning.

          • Thank you-I was getting self conscious about it after I posted it! LOL! The “As I”; part was really, really bothering me-so I kept looking for something-anything-and I came acrossed this- “AZI” means Big Horn Sheep, or there antlers-there is a Big Horn Basin in Wyoming?? Anyway-I will go back to my hidey hole now!!

          • Hi Sandra;

            Just one small comment. Deer, elk and moose have antlers – antlers fall off each year after the rut. Sheep, including Rocky Mountain Sheep have horns. These horns never fall off. Each year, another “ring” is added, and the horn gets longer. Rocky Mountain sheep are found throughout the Rocky Mountains – in all 4 states – FWIW – JDA

    • doublecrossed74,

      I take “nigh” to mean either “near” or “left”.

      I too am curious how that put you in CO or are you trying to double cross us to get an answer that you can’t figure out? 🙂

      • nigh (adv.)
        “near,” Old English neah (West Saxon), neh (Anglian), common Germanic (cognates: Old Saxon nah, Old Frisian nei, Middle Dutch, Dutch na, Old High German nah, German nah, Gothic nehwa), with no cognates outside Germanic. The Old English progression was neah – near – niehsta, for “nigh – near – next.” But the comparative near and the superlative nehst (see next) gradually evolved into separate words not felt as related to nigh. New comparative and superlative forms nigher, nighest developed 14c. as phonetic changes obscured the original relationships. As an adjective from Middle English.

        • 2nigh
          Definition of nigh
          1 : close, near
          2 chiefly dialectal : direct, short
          3 : being on the left side the nigh horse

          • adjective, nigher, nighest.
            near; approaching:
            Evening is nigh.
            short or direct:
            to take the nighest route.
            (of an animal or vehicle) being on the left side:
            to be astride the nigh horse.

        • doublecrossed74,

          Yes we can both agree what nigh means, I take it for you nigh is near. This still begs the question how is it “nigh” prompted you to search in Colorado other than the state you live in? 🙂

  28. Would you mind explaining what you mean by that. Of course I would not want you to give your solution away. Thanks


  29. Okay, guys-I am a bit of an ADHD type-I have no plans on ever actually going out and physically looking for this thing. I just wanted to throw some notes and ideas I had-which now-some are not very good, sorry. But, a few may have merit. Noone has found this thing yet, doing all the things everyone is doing now-I thought a bit of new material might shake somebody’s brain in a new direction-that is all!
    Good Luck!

  30. Imo I believe it is in Colorado and my fiance and I are taking a trip there mid April to test our ideas!

  31. Beginning June 2018, Rocky Mountain National Park’s entrance fee will go up $5, which will be $35 per vehicle.

  32. any updates to this thread?
    ive only been here about 6 weeks but thought that id chime in..

    anyone know when the last time FF piloted his plane was?

  33. Good luck Sean!
    At least you’re looking in the right state!!
    IMO of course

    • This is BOTG 7 or 8 so far for us. What a great excuse to disappear from reality for awhile. Lovin’ it.

  34. Had a great time in the mountains this past week. Well, except for one incident…

    We were at one of our destinations (ABOVE one possible home of Brown) about 9000 ft. We banked off the trail a bit and I noticed a small pond with the remnants of something wooden that had collapsed. I walked up and looked in when all of a sudden I heard a LOUD noise. Sounded like tall bookcases falling over and lots of snorting. My gf said “what the heck was that?” She thought it may be a large bird flapping its wings in take off. My first thought was “Grizzlies charge first and make noise later” We never saw anything but it came from a large clump of bushes/brush/trees. I withdrew my weapon and she prepped her bear spray. We backed away and walked a different direction. We contemplated continuing our hike up the hill but when we returned to the same spot we heard the same commotion again. “No treasure is worth fighting whatever this thing is” so we backed down the hill and did not return.

    I think it was a Moose we disturbed. We never saw anything but it sounded very heavy and irritated. Scary incident overall.

    • I thought I should post for those searching in Colorado. I would hope everyone is aware of the 10 wildfires with in the state before they put botg. Stay safe and be fire aware, things are very dry, don’t park over try grass, Stage 2 fire restriction in most of the RMs for Colorado, including New Mexico. I’m bring this up only because I live in CO.

      • Correction “wildfires” should be “forest fires”, then again, could be both.

        • Wildfires covers it all. 😉

          I’ve found InciWeb to be the most comprehensive site, frequently and reliably updated. You can scroll and zoom all over the west from the same master map and see what’s what, what’s where, and what’s happening.

          The link below is focused on the big Spring Creek fire in Colorado, but you can roam around the map at will (just like google maps or topozone.)


          (just back from some wonderful camping hiking painting time up the Poudre River with our oldest daughter)


  35. First time looking! Read ttotc 10 million xs
    Pouring over maps. Am heading out to Colorado in early October. Going to do ALOT of day hiking. Have ONE area in mind. Just a quick question, how is the weather out there in early October?

    • All depends on how high you are (in reference to the elevation, not how many edibles you’ve consumed).

      Up in the mountains, snow in September is not uncommon. But not, generally speaking, raging blizzards and drifts.

      Down on the front range first frost is, roughly speaking, 1 October.

      No guarantees, of course, but I’ve multi-day camped very comfortably in pleasant Oktoberfest-type weather up to 8,000 ft many times in October. It’s also hunting season, so be aware of where you are. And like anywhere else it might rain.

      On typical nice days you get up cold and make coffee in the frost, are down to shirt and shorts by noon, and start adding layers as the sun goes down.

      Which brings up a big point – available hours of daylight decrease rapidly in October; sunset is about 6:40pm at the beginning of the month, and 6:00pm by the end of the month (add 15 minutes for the western front range). And of course the terrain you’re in can affect that time very measurably. We usually plan to be off the trail and back in camp by 4/5pm latest for a comfortable supper before dark. So get an early start.

      Adjust accordingly if you’re used to roughing it.


  36. Jake – cabin address is 32087 so that is 32 miles and change from the old Ted’s Place…less than a mile west of what was Rustic (where I worked off and on for almost a decade). I had a home on Crown Point Road, just across the river from the family cabin for 11 years; my kids were born there and my oldest daughter went to the one-room school house for a few years. Wonderful memories and still a great family gathering place as often as we can all get together. I just returned from a week at our cabin and couldn’t help but reflect about what we call “home” – it’s the place where our deepest emotions and sentimental attachments live.

    • That’s fantastic, Sandy!

      When our oldest was here a couple-few weeks ago, we had lunch in Glen Echo/Rustic after getting soaked climbing Mt McConnel in the rain.

      When I first moved from New England to Colorado (40 years ago this fall – holy jumpin’!), I had a friend who worked at Indian Meadows, and I spent my first two weeks in Colorado there while looking for a job and a place. Mishawaka was wild western swing, and the townsfolk away over in Walden were trying to keep us nekkit hippies out of the hot spring.

      Though I’ve never lived up there full-time, my young yankee self fell head over heels from the very beginning, and not a year’s gone by that I haven’t been up there for one thing or another many times every year. (And I’ve never left Colorado for very long since I got here.)

      I can so appreciate your attachment and your memories.


      • Jake…so funny. I just hiked Mt McConnell a few days ago. Who was your friend at Indian Meadows? Sounds like we have crossed paths or as Forrest would say we have met at an intersection or 2…Walden hotsprings definitely was on the radar and my wedding reception was at Mishawaka. People still tell tall tales about THAT party. The Venn diagram of life….

  37. Buglady…Can’t resist to tell of the glories of Colorado in Sept & early October. The Aspen trees put on a show that in my opinion is an ace in hand when played against anything that New England can throw down.

    Ante up with layers….you can peel off if need be…but don’t let the weather deal you a bad hand off the bottom….when the Sun goes down
    in the Colorado Rockies…..so does the mercury.

    Don’t bet the ranch by being unprepared. If tent camping….NEVER keep food in your tent and follow all the rules of the Junior Woodchucks.

    Wishing you a rewarding and successful
    “I Have Seen It Raining Fire In The Sky”

  38. Start at beginning : Begin it wwwh= look with your eyes. Take it in the canyon down=Colorado

    • How so? Not aware of any BIG canyon that starts in Montana or Wyoming and ends in Colorado. Sorry, you are going to have to exp0lain if you want any of us to believe you – Just sayin’ – JDA

  39. I keep coming back to Colorado for my solve; IMO the other states are too far from NM, and I don’t see many public lands which coincide with warm waters, or anything “Brown” there anyways.

    I’m stuck on Brown’s Canyon, despite the many people who’ve already scoured it and it’s far-too-obvious connection with the poem… the following is what I have so far drawn IMO:

    begin where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down: browns canyon warm springs on the north end of the canyon near hecla junction.

    not far but too far to walk put in below the home of brown: the put in on the south end of the canyon over three miles south of the warm springs (not far, too far to walk?)

    from there it’s no place for the meek: the trespassing sign on the gate closing off the stone bridge to cross to the railroad tracks – a meek person would not trespass.

    the end is ever drawing nigh, no paddle up creek, heavy loads water high: nigh means left, head left once you cross the bridge and you’re headed up creek. heavy loads, water high would be railroad gulch.

    if you’ve been wise and found the blaze: why would you need wisdom? wisdom is not intelligence, it’s experience. but one of the first synonyms for wise on google is “sage” – the blaze must be in the sage which lines the river and gulch.

    it’s not a complete solve, but hey, from NY I can only armchair search for the most part. I went to Brown’s Canyon a few months ago and was thinking of returning next month, but it may not be worth it if I haven’t come up with a complete solve.

    It just bothers me that the girl in india can’t get past the first two clues with just the poem and map – so why should I be able to? I need to get out there and actually SEARCH in order to get a complete solve? but then again, he also said you won’t find it by chance, you’ll have read and re-read and moved with confidence… how can both of these be true?!

    • “[…] how can both of these be true?!”

      In my opinion, it’s not really so much about knowing exactly what and where the clues are, or exactly where the chest is, but knowing what you are looking for next. Once you figure out the correct WWWH, you should be able to figure out the next clue. This can maybe be done from a map (little girl in India). But once you find the second clue, the rest may not be labelled on a map; you have to actually travel there based on your confidence in your first two clues. Then, when you have made it to the second clue, you look around and you see something that simply must be the third clue, so you go there, etc.

      Put another way, if my wife sends me to the store to buy milk, I can walk into any grocery store with confidence that I will be coming home with milk (unless they are sold out). I don’t need to know exactly where the milk is in the store, because I know that milk is usually in the dairy department (clue), which is usually along one wall (clue), and I will know I have found the dairy department when I see refrigeration units (clue). From there, finding the milk is trivial. Even if I have never been in that particular store before, and even if the layout of the store is not the same as the stores I have been in, I can proceed with confidence with my “milk solve” beginning at the entrance (first clue).

      You don’t need confidence in your destination; you need confidence in your starting point (WWWH) and in your method. The poem will take care of the rest.

      I’m reminded of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. He didn’t know in advance what the traps were, but he knew to expect them, and he knew not to proceed through each one until he understood that trap’s clue. His destination was uncertain and his clues were unclear, but he had confidence in his approach. Others who had come before had proceeded without confidence, walked out of the Grail’s “poem”, and died. In fact, Indy himself *almost* walks out of the Grail’s poem early on before he realizes what it is that a penitent man does. He should have played one more round of Canasta before his search and thought more about that particular clue, but the chain of events didn’t give him the option. 😉

        • Hi imperfekt,

          The way I have it is as follows:

          Warm Waters – Cool Springs

          Take Canyon Down – South

          Not Far – Drive

          Home of Brown – Cheyenne Mountain

          No Place – Bridled Horse

          Drawing Nigh – Taps

          From here all the rest falls in place for you and all that sees this post…

          GOOD HUNTING…

  40. I took a quick vacation this week to escape Hurricane Florence and drove to Colorado to scope out the location I came up with from the poem. Guess I should have paid attention to when hunting season is. WHAT A BUMMER. Hiking is not allowed this time of year. Coming up with this location was partly by luck and using the words in the poem just as they are and literal interpretations.

    The last couple of days I have taken a different approach to the start point in the poem starting from “If you’ve been wise…” and finishing at “If you are brave…” coming up with a different location that works if you don’t pay attention to the first third of the poem. My solution for this location came about by being creative using NASA, geology pubs and other web sites.

    I have 3 questions to any who would like to join in:
    1. What is the current thinking that the starting point must be at “Begin it where…” line in the poem?
    2. Do all lines in the poem need to be considered as clues individually or can they be combined to make a clue?
    3. With hunting and hiking allowed at different times of the year; is the exact date known when Fenn hid the treasure?

    • Hello! I’m leaving for my first BotG trip in four days and can hardly contain my excitement! This is also my very first post so…hello everyone! I’ve had my solve for a long while and just like you I literally took the words and matched them up with the map. I’ve been spending my time trying to prove my theory wrong and talk myself out of spending real money to go on a wild goose chase. It’s been about a year and a half now so…it’s finally time. I had a bit of an edge with the solve in that I used to live where my search is located (Yes, yes I know. Confirmation bias to the extreme, right!) so most of my solution just kind of jumped off the page at me. I’m 85% certain that I know what the blaze is but that’s where the BotG come in. I’m eager to see if it pans out!

      In regards to your questions:
      1. Forrest himself has stated that the first clue is “Begin it where”. For my solve, I actually didn’t figure out what (*I think*) he meant by that until after I had (*I think*) solved some of the other clues!
      2. From the perspective of my solve, I think a few are combined. Personally, I believe that there are entire sections of the stanzas of the poem that are meant to orient you or to describe what you’re looking for (i.e., the blaze). But, like everyone else, I am just guessing. And quite possibly molding the clues to fit my solution.
      3. I had absolutely no idea that you couldn’t hike during certain times but it makes perfect sense in hindsight! I am now terrified that all of my plans will be thwarted! I don’t know that anyone has asked him when he hid it. I read through all of his comments and answers over the years looking for something that would disprove my solve but I don’t recall that question being asked. That’s a good one!
      Happy hunting!

        • Thanks, guys! My daughters and I can’t wait. The way I see it, regardless of whether or not we find anything, getting to spend time with your adult children is a treasure in itself!

      • ShaniBanani,
        I remember my first BOTG trip and the excitement that came along with it… enjoy your trip and remember to enjoy the little things as you go about it….
        Have fun my friend….. until next time… see ya

  41. Shane;

    Welcome and good luck with your search – In answer to your question – look here –
    Forrest Gets Mail From a Middle School Class – The answer is in the summer. JDA

      • And I gotta say, even though I just started posting today I’ve been lurking for about a year and I’m a big fan! You always seem to have helpful words and an encouraging attitude…traits that are hard to come by in this day and age! Happy hunting!

  42. Let’s try this again…

    Was anyone BOTG in CO on Oct 16th, wearing a greenish jacket? If so I think we have the same solve. Saw you leaving as I arrived.


  43. I have a really good solve everything fits just one problem can’t get in there. Private property through a locked gate with no trespassing signs and your exposed and the locals don’t care for people running around there with out of state tags. I don’t think it was like this a few years back. the chasers and the teenager parties there may have contributed to an unhappy land owner.
    I guess i will start looking somewhere else. I am convinced it is in Colorado. I think he was home and drove north but made it back for late supper.
    My home of the brown is Native American related

    • mosby,
      Your solve description is very similar to one I and at least one other searcher pursued a while back, but this is in New Mexico not Colorado. Are you referring to the Folsom Falls area in northern NM ? If so, are you saying that you were frustrated by your Folsom NM botg visit (like me) and have decided to search “somewhere else” meaning Colorado? Curious about why your home of brown is Native America related. Folsom (as in Folsom Site?) is a plausible native american reference to the poem imo, but this particular location has problems due to public access, distrust of outsiders by locals, and rather ordinary and “not-so-special” scenery compared to the high Rockies (imo).
      Just wondering. Maybe you weren’t even referring to the Folsom Falls area.

      • The Folsom Early Man site is outside of the bounds of the search area – as defined by the map that was located in TFTW. I know, I was scouring Northeastern NM solves for a while and I have a love of archaeology so I really got into reading all about that find.

  44. Looking for a Colorado partner as I am out of state. I believe I’ve solved most of the puzzle but obviously not the most important part. I need boots on the ground to go further. Anyone want to enter into a legal joint venture with me?

    • Hi garnets — revisiting this page after ByGeorge jumped to the conclusion that I had admitted here that my keyword was “ankh” (which it most certainly is not). ByGeorge must not know the movie “Logan’s Run,” and thus missed the joke.

      If you yourself don’t know the movie, Logan and Jessica escaped the city to “Sanctuary” (i.e. outside) by using a key in the shape of an ankh. So I was simply making a joke about how an ankh is a “word that is key” (at least in the movie). There is no connection between that word and the Chase as far as I’m concerned. Hopefully that clears up any lingering confusion.

      • Zap,
        Really? You’re blaming ME for what YOU wrote? If 2 people reach the same conclusion due to YOUR WORDS then maybe you should look in the mirror for the problem! I didn’t see anything you said that had a “haha” or “just kidding” or “thanks for the laugh”.

        Good thing “EYE” cleared up your mess eh? How can you blame someone else for your own words? Did I make you type that? Did I hold a gun to your head? I surely didn’t POST under your comment did I? So how can you blame me for GARNETS reaction? That’s some petty sh*t right there!

        HEY GARNETS…STOP JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS!!! You’re making ZAP look bad!

        • ByGeorge: I can’t be held responsible for your ignorance. Sarcasm doesn’t work if you have to explain it. Please feel free to ignore my posts if they upset you, but I’m not going to dumb them down just to placate you.

    • garnets,
      Hey, IMO there is no “key word” to unlock anything in the poem. IMO there’s only 1 thing that the poem represents and it’s not a “key”. I asked Zap the same question in the “KEY WORD” discussion board but in a roundabout way because of his post above. How stupid of US to read ZAP’s post and think such an absurd thing!

      Carry on garnets!

      • Not stupid, ByGeorge — unfamiliar. If you had seen the movie you’d have gotten the joke. Enuf said.

  45. My solves in CO but can’t travel broke disabled and I have kids but Forrest is a smart guy,does he read these posts? I figured out a little secret about his love of a can of grape soda,his treasure chest,his pictures,the wood manipulation and many more I have a good search area but even if I go it does seem to far to walk and I am way too meek for the alternative route lol Forrest should let us tell him our solves and If we have solved it correctly grant us the treasure and him have someone retrieve it for us 🙂 A gal can only wish to take that chest out of his hands and drink a can of grape soda while hearing his stories and the sounds of his amazing place.

    • Vicky, I will be in CO this summer searching and vacationing. If you want me to check somewhere, and it is not far from Denver let me know.

    • Hello Amy! I think I have a solve for the poem here in Colorado and was hoping to have some one give me their opinion. Interested?

  46. All again hi, year of studying of search yields to me new results to the purpose, I need legs who to ninut from Denver, but still early to carry out search in weather.

  47. A new Solve for people to mull over, simple enough…
    Let me start with the results… my family and I did take a trip from British Columbia, Canada to the location described in this solve, and we did not find anything other than a great time and some fresh air (this was during wildfire season in late summer and was a great getaway from our home area). After a couple of years of research and reading following our spur of the moment trip, I haven’t been able to come up with a better solve – which leads me to this post. My thought is that someone may use the clues to get to a slightly different location. If so, good luck – and perhaps you’ll buy me a drink sometime if you find the treasure! All of my initial research was able to be done using Google Earth, a dictionary, some basic googling and a bit of logic (no local knowledge required), right up to ‘the blaze’, at which point I needed to be at the site before coming up with the final location. Without further rambling, here’s my thought process and the solve that came out of it:
    – I thought that “Where Warm Waters Halt’ could mean the southern end of the hot springs of the Rocky Mountains. Some research indicated that Pagosa Springs, Colorado was generally known as the most southern hot springs, so we started there!
    – I thought the spring water would logically flow into the San Juan River, and I assumed the river canyon would qualify as the canyon down (south).
    – As for the ‘Home of Brown’, my eye was drawn to the small village of Chroma (meaning purity or intensity of color) so I thought there might be a connection there. The Navajo River flows through Chroma, and eventually flows into the San Juan River. This is where things get pretty interesting…
    – The first small tributary flowing into the San Juan River downstream of the Navajo River confluence is a small trickle called ‘Cat Creek’. I thought that ‘no place for the meek’ fit well (meek as a mouse) with Cat Creek, both from the animal perspective and the creek and meek rhyme.
    – The creek is pretty small and shallow, and not at all navigable in a boat or canoe…therefore no paddling up the creek. However, I thought this did indicate that you need to go upstream on Cat Creek.
    – A few hundred yards up the creek is a railway bridge, still standing but long in disuse, part of the abandoned town of Pagosa Junction. Considering the weight of a freight train, I thought the bridge was a pretty clear solution to ‘Heavy Loads’.
    – Standing at the railway bridge, a few hundred yards to the east leads to a collapsed water tower (water high, perhaps).
    – A few hundred yards east of the water tower are a pair of split railroad tracks, where one pair of tracks splits into two – known as ‘wye’s’, as in ‘if you’ve been wise’…
    – At this point, there is an interesting rock formation in the canyon wall about the same distance east of the wye’s as the distance between the water tank and the wye’s. It is stained black and dark brown, and with a little imagination, you could imagine smoke from hundreds of blazing historical campfires staining the stone – my interpretation of the blaze.
    – I climbed up to the ledge of the blaze, and looked down. There is a large rock that has rolled from the area of the blaze, and after climbing back down I realized there was an open cavity below the rock directly in line with the blaze.
    – As this cavity looked like something a critter or a snake would love to spend a hot, late summer afternoon in, I poked around with a long stick before anything else. I should note I had a metal detector with me, and looked all through the cavity, the rock and the surrounding area and came up with nothing.
    – As a final capper, I realize that if I had found the treasure in this location, I could then stand up, look back to the access road (nearly due west) and be looking towards the small town of Marvel (about 45 miles away) – a marvel gaze.
    At this point, I should mention that Pagosa Junction is on the Southern Ute Reservation. This is, to date, the only flaw I see in this solve; I believe Mr. Fenn has made comment about it not being on a Reservation. However, A bit of digging suggests that railway Right of Ways have pretty gray ownership; I’m not a legal expert by any means, but I could see Mr. Fenn assuming railway right of ways are public-ish lands. From what I can tell, all of the other hints provided over the years line up very well with this solve – elevation, within the map (barely), etc. The location is quite close to a public gravel road, and a short (few hundred yards) flat walk from there – access is safe and can be done by someone of pretty much any age.
    Although ultimately unsuccessful, I thought the pieces lined up well enough for my family and I to make the 3,000 mile round trip in the summer of 2017. The trip was amazing, covering multiple states and we saw some gorgeous country – and had a true treasure hunting adventure. We explored the ghost town of Pagosa Junction, taking only photographs and leaving only footprints. A big thanks to Forrest Fenn for inspiring our trip, and potentially more to come in the future.
    Hopefully this story inspires others to get out and see the country, and perhaps check out the area described above. Good Luck!
    Bryan R.

  48. I have a great solve in another state now so I’m leaning toward there more than Colorado. We will be in vacation in the Denver area for six days though. If anyone has a spot they want me to check near Denver let me know. I don’t care so much about the financial arrangement for if it is found so much as I care to get it found.

  49. Ok here is my failed solve..maybe it will spark an idea. WWWh…Idaho Springs Hot Springs. Canyon south Hwy 103. Home of Brown..Brown Quartz Mine. Following 103, you go thru King Solomon gulch (known for being wise) past Idaho Springs water plant (fenced so no paddle up your creek and heavy loads and water high) next up is Devils Canyon on your left. (Assumed this might be a good place to search ..it is now surrounded by private property but it goes in to the Arapaho Forest behind it (brave wood) so we dropped in to the canyon from the Barbour 4wd area). I didn’t see any blaze or anything from there but figured I’d post to see if maybe it sparked something for someone else. Hope it helps someone and good luck!

    • Here’s where the treasure is!
      C—- C—- at A——- R—-.

      A——- R—– at C——— G—-.
      From A——- R—– at C——— G—- define a square 400′ north x 400′ east.
      This is the search area wherein you’ll find an —— blaze. When you find the blaze, STOP and look quickly down to see the chest.
      Of course, there is a whole bunch of pages explaining this potential solve. But right now we, the Geezer team, need help because we have no member that can hike! We need boots on the ground!

      • In my solve you don’t have to hike! And it’s handicapped accessable (you’ll have to drive a chair over some bushes tho)!

    • Hi Lucinda, funny you brought that up. I actually looked into this area once myself. The hot springs actually halted a guy named Jackson and caused him to stop to look for gold. He found a large placer nugget. He tried to keep it a secret “secret where” yet hinted of riches when he ended buying things with gold. Anyway, I did look at Brown Quartz mine, but couldn’t find any good leads. Also, there is a man and wife couple named Brown that is buried in the graveyard there. The woman’s name was Peggy. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/21655006/peggy-jean-brown

      This lead me nowhere though too. We did enjoy the hot springs there though!

  50. Congratulations BRAVE Findarado! You discovered FF’s secret fishing hole! What a thrill it must have been to walk upon that dangling pole and its now broken twin pointing the way! Did you hear the clang of the bell and smell mercurial pools on your way to where time stands still?

    You are not the first to visit the JF tree with its rounded base there on the south bank of history past. The slithering antique wire snake at its base with Lady Liberty watching high from above. Was it high tide in the busy rock quarry? Did you see the art in stones large and small? A menagerie of MUCH imagination! How do you think he did it — laser car, key in the tree, quaking asterisk, Fs everywhere, and so many more!?

    You found what I could not, alone in there. Congratulations you Smuggler of treasures. Now what? Do you tell the men in the sleepy tin shack? And the people of riches new? IT truly is Pandora’s Box! Best wishes and luck to you, BRAVE Findarado!

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