The Key Word…


“Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

The above is a quote from Forrest. This page is where we can discuss what that key word might be.




327 thoughts on “The Key Word…

    • The key word is the starting point location, if you read the book again and again, take notes, think outside the norm, and have a little imagination of what you not just see, but hear. It will make sense. The path is a journey, educational, presents similarities of someone’s past. One must see through the many paths, to realize where and why warm waters halt. People, history, teaching what is important. Good searching, stay warm, safe, & dry.

  1. ps. I’m not near as savy as most of you are, at solving verbages that are not crystal clear,
    so i will leave this to more expertise.

  2. I see. Just play along. At least everyone here has a highly developed moral compass. I knew these people had kind hearts. Thank God for such trustworthy friends and family.

  3. I think the key word is related to this other quote from Forrest Fenn: “What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.” And this: “It seems logical to me that a deep thinking treasure searcher could use logic to determine an important clue to the location of the treasure.” He also said somewhere that you can’t ignore any of the nouns (I can’t find the quote right now though).

    • Best I can determine the that ff comment (so often quoted) “What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve” is almost 3-years old.” IMO he would no longer make that claim.

      The older the quotes get, the less value they (may) have and the odds increase that the bracelet it going home.

    • OnTheChase,

      The first quote you mentioned has me pondering many thoughts. But I have always found it interesting that there is very little talk about the prior question in Jenny’s six questions with Forrest Fenn. Jenny’s question # 3 involved question # 2.

      I don’t think there are “new clues” or “hints” in fenn’s other writings… but a connection still the same. The TOTC is nothing more than a SB itself… a dairy… a log book… events book [ of the past ]. A correlation between them [all of fenn’s writings about the chase ] that could be pickup by a attentive reader [ but, they confuse me more with information overload ].
      I do think that there is information in fenn’s other writings that actually help eliminate areas or wild notions… the obvious is Canada is no longer in the running for the ‘location’ of the chest. I would like to chat more about these two comments and those questions 2 & 3 if anyone is willing…
      I agree those two comments seem to relate to the word that is key. For me, the word fenn might relate to isn’t a magical key to unlock the universe of the poem. But a word that explains something of importance and is needed to understand… like the last jigsaw piece to make the full picture completely… even though we might have most of the piece already, this piece shows what is not shown.

      However that piece might fall in the beginning, middle, or end of the puzzle…

      • Seeker;
        I have a long post over at “Odds and Ends” that I think is a direct response to your two posts over here – Take a look. I would be interested in your comments – JDA

      • Seeker – “I would like to chat more about these two comments and those questions 2 & 3…”

        If you get the ball rolling by specifying what the comments and questions are, I’ll chat with you.

        • Ok Bowmarc,
          If you read this… I’m open to chatting.
          “In those stories I’m just looking back and talking to myself most of the time. It’s fun to be reminded of details I had almost forgotten. Hopefully, readers 500 years from now will find my tales entertaining.”

          To start it off… “I’m just looking back…most of the time. “…It’s fun to be reminded of details…”

          “I don’t want to broaden the clues and hints I’ve written about by pointing them out.”

          At first site this might not mean much… but add the important possibility to winning the prize, add memories, future readers…. The broader relationship to a ‘time’ span, seems to say; what once was.

          Regardless if folks want to think clues and hints are in other writing [ATF – hiding the chest]… the idea relates to “time” involvement, in the poem.

          • Seeker;

            I totally agree – “I’m just looking back…most of the time. “ Forrest certainly seems to be telling us that the poem relates to the past – not necessarily the future. YUP – the “Time” element is essential – JDA

          • Are you alluding to the alternate meaning to the word “below” by any chance? If so, cool because I am new and was just pondering that word earlier today then I read this post. Just trying to figure out if my latest idea is going anywhere.

  4. I was just over in the first “Architecture of the Poem” thread reminiscing about Goofy’s assessment. It’s a good “read” on the man. It is interesting to see how the times have changed…and most of early premises have been obliterated beyond recognition.

    • I kinda agree with Pluto, Umm er Goofy. [ I could never tell them apart ] That we need to be on site once the first two clues are recognized. Not because we need to stomp out the other clues… but more to… we need to recognize all the clues.
      That may sound a bit off… what I mean is… we can decipher what a clue refers to prior, but we don’t know what it is in the field until we can line them up with the others. This might be the observation part fenn tells us we need to do.
      However, I’m going to go out on a limb here, I think the clues connect in such a way that they actually might show the ‘Big Picture’ which might actually show us what the blaze really is. I know… the blaze is a single object in a word… but so is a car with wheel and windows and doors etc.

      Is the blaze in the poem or only in the field? Maybe the poem creates the blaze… the architect built the blaze if we can adjust what we see, line of thinking. So, why couldn’t fenn say both the poem and in the field… one problem was the question using “only” in the field. This might sound like dribble, but I think fenn could answer because we need to create the blaze by imagination of the information in the poem and that can only be done in the field.

      It’s the only real, logical assumption in my mind as to why searcher can decipher clue[s] reference and be on sight and walk by everything… without make all those searcher doing wrong turn, all missing the same clue, or drove down the wrong canyon…

      The word that is key might be something that helps explain what they did wrong or not understand or not see… a word that will help as far as… not stumbling upon the chest.

    • Thanks Ken, glad you enjoyed it. My opinion on how to solve the poem has changed many times over the years but my opinions about Fenn have pretty much stayed the same.

      One of my favorite sayings is “The greatest obstacle to discovering the truth is being convinced you already know it”. So I decided to start from scratch with a clean slate; which is difficult to do after all the years of trying to solve the poem.

      A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away I came up with a solution after a few weeks of being in the chase. This was way back in the day before any of Fenn’s statements and when some/many of us thought the chest was in Santa Fe. I showed it to my wife and she said “OMG!!!! YOU DID IT”. I told her maybe, but probably not. She wanted me to get in the truck and go get it “RIGHT NOW!!!”. I told her I would check it out the next time I go through there.

      She was beside herself, wanting to know how I could be so calm about it. I said, “Well dear, what is it about “north of Santa Fe” that you find difficult to understand?” She, like tens of thousands have done since then, came up with all the excuses and trickery of Fenn’s words to make my solution viable. She was so excited and certain I was correct she made me start to believe I had solved it. Apparently being delusional is contagious. It’s called a buffalo jump. A buffalo jump is a cliff formation which Native Americans historically used to hunt and kill plains bison in mass quantities. Drive the first one over the cliff and the whole herd will follow.

      Anyway, I decided to start over. Like Fenn and Indiana Jones told us, “Archeology is the search for facts, not truth. If it’s truth you’re looking for, Dr. Tyree’s philosophy class is right down the hall.” So what are the “facts” about the chase? Fenn is a real person and resides in Santa Fe, NM. That’s about as far as I could get with absolute facts. I quickly found myself being philosophical about establishing facts. That’s a runaway train going down a dead end road, so forget facts; what do I “believe” is true, therefore factual, about the chase.

      1. The chest and its contents are real and hidden within the boundaries on the map Fenn gave us.
      2. Fenn is telling us the truth when talking about the chase.

      In my opinion if these two things aren’t true it’s a waste of time looking for the chest.

      Fenn has told us a lot since the good ol days. So I took what he has said in context and in chronological order. He started out by mostly telling us where it’s not. Not in Utah or Idaho, not in a graveyard, not under an outhouse, ect, ect. Then he started telling us how to solve the poem. It was interesting studying the chronology of the chase and what was going on at the time.

      Not necessarily how I want it to be, but considering everything Fenn has said, the first two clues can be found on a map, the remainder have to be solved on location.

      So I sit on canyon rims looking at the big picture trying my best to use an imagination I don’t have.

      Just my opinion and yet another buffalo jump on the chase.

      To stay on topic I believe the key word is “imagination”. It fits with what was going on in the chase at the time he said it.

      • Ha !
        Another good eval. Goofy! Time does fly! I come back to THE beginning by reading the Early premises. Searchers now think all of their ideas are novel…but don’t realize how thoroughly and quickly the main topics surrounding the Chase were gobbled up and spewed forth….logically.
        Heck… my first few months on this blog….I believed Fenn lived in a “nutshell”…in SF ! Dal wrote it. You’re accurate in saying that being delusional is contagious…another reason I come back to the Clinic days for adjustment.
        All of the ATF are useful if used wisely…but freakin’ dangerous in the wrong hands! And by the way…thanks for all you do…and yup…”imagination”…

      • Ha ! At the time of Fenn’s comment, things were just about the same as they are now. It seems the Buffalo Jumps still work ! Personally I kind of rely on them….thins out the competition. Oh my…
        I agree …”imagination” fits the bill…and echoes everything Fenn has put out there.
        I come back to the early threads to stay connected to the quick clinic study on the Chase. Searchers today believe their ideas are novel and unique. On the whole…most have been presented and picked to pieces in some fashion or another…maybe not entirely…but bits and pieces. TRUTH…!! heck…most can’t handle it.
        Apparently being delusional is contagious !!! Jeebzum crow ! Talk about a firestorm…the insecure are gonna burst out crying when they read this !
        Thanks again Goofy…for the reality check/laughs.

  5. Re-opening a point I suggested in November:

    What if the key word is “part of the poem” but “not in the poem”?

    Said differently, the key word is in the poem but it’s not in the poem. IMO

    • Maybe some of these FF quotes are helpful:

      “I wrote this someplace a few years ago and maybe you’ll think it’s worth remembering, Imagination isn’t a technique, it’s a key. f”

      ….”but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

      …”He taught me that imagination could nearly always be used to narrow the gap.”

      “Complacency is the misuse of imagination”

      Many more quotes with “imagination”.

      IMO .

        • Hello Betty. Not sure of your definition of “hidden”. For my opinion of using the word “hidden” is I think the first 4 lines is a riddle unto itself; descriptive of the essence of the ‘solver of the clues’. So, the “hidden” word is the ‘Solver’ whom then proceeds to ‘find it’. Thus , the riddle answer to the first 4 lines is within the essence meaning of WWWH. IMO .

          What I presume ,then, is its “imagination” applied to knowledge. This is not a leaning towards special knowledge . I just think it will only make sense to the “Solver” once they have actually solved the clues-then they can try to find it- “As I have gone alone..”. Hidden is the location, but one can solve the clues then find it or not!

          I am looking at applying my clues to a new location of mine.

          Hope this makes some sense of my thinking.

          • Thanks JDA! Been lurking here occasionally. Been focussed on other things. I will try again at this. Needed to break the chain of frustration, with a renewed key of imagination . Lol.

          • Aaron. There’s a slight possibility but unlikely I will this year. I have a new area, or rather I should say , two areas. Both are connected to each other within reading my opinion of the poem clues. I just am at the point of which one is the end point. Either could be and they are very close to each other. So, I am still investigating the direction of how it all reads from start to the end. Not sure enough yet on how to twist it .

          • Both connected and close to each other huh? Maybe you need to make the lines cross in the right place.

          • Aaron. There is no cross point to my two ares-no point of intersection. My struggle is the ‘contiguous ‘ of the clues to the geographic of which is the location-A to B. Is it A or B ? It’s seems like it would be a logical answer but a million intersecting linked circles would be considered touching to the center one even though miles away .Is it geographic contiguous , or is it the poem clues contiguous ?Or are both both linear contiguous? That’s my current struggle.

          • Alset;

            I can only answer for myself – for me, the poem clues are contiguous as are the geographic locations – A next to B next to c etc. JMO – JDA

  6. There is certainly enough evidence to conclude “the word that is key” is indeed “imagination”. Back in October 2015 Forrest stated that a person with a lot of resolve and imagination could solve his poem and find the treasure (paraphrased),

    I believe his statement is in this interview (I hope this is the correct one)

    His comment about imagination and resolve is towards the latter part of the interview. In my current solve area, imagination is very important, but to prove my solve I need yet another trip there. My next one will involve investigating things I have discovered since trip #3 September, 2017.

    I like the word “imagination” for the “word that is key” but it is not the word I favor. Either way, it all ends when the TC is found and the solution is laid out for all to ponder.


    • Franklin, what if the word that is key is “KEY? I just watched an interesting documentary last night that spoke of a KEY that the Anatasi Indians used to track the Summer Solstice for both planting purposes and ceremonial. It a sliver of sunlight that marks a point on a rock. Wouldn’t that just be in genius as the Blaze? It would remain hidden unless you knew just where to be when the sun rose. It’s so Indianna Jones. Lol

      • Now that’s an interesting idea Carol.

        There is much talk about “time” but what if the time reference meant you had to be (a.) at a specific place and (b.) at a specific time in order to unlock or identify further information or a path forward? That would amplify the complexity many times over. Is this also the reason nobody has the TC yet?

        Ponder that – if the poem has both location and time embedded and one had to be at that location and at a specific time to uncover a “key” (word or other) that allows them to move forward with the remainder of the correct solve.

  7. I think if you take into consideration FF deep love for archaeology and one just has to look at his office alone cram packed with Indian artifacts. It’s really not difficult to use your Imagination within the poem or the stories within TTOTC. I Think ☺️

    • Not mine Lisa…but thanks for all the sharing.

      IMO – “Rainbow” isn’t even in the poem.

      I’m a poem purist, so I think there is a key word, but within the poem.

      The poem is the playing field.

      If you move off the field, you could be out of bounds.

      I’m not one of those who give up, just because questionable info is put forth.

      IMO – I only LISTEN to one person…FF.

      But do listen to the thoughts of others, because I believe in a Global Consciousness, and people say many things that come to them.

      Little do they understand how important what they may say, will/may help another. It happens to me all the time.

      I can count on one hand at least five comments made by posters, that actually describes my area to a tee…..and they don’t even realize that they fit perfectly to my solve, even the way they described what they think.

      Is that just coincidence? Maybe….but…like JDA….I will file it away as “interesting”….and keep moving forward.

      It’s like the recent “island” comments being made.

      I have a solve that puts me in an island….and the weird thing is I also found an “x” on the same island.

      Another coincidence? Maybe.

      So my point being….I never discount anything others say, just research what they say to see if it helps you.

      If not discard it….like I have discarded that the hoB is a structure. IMO – it is not….it is a place.

      Context is very important in the words we choose to use.

      Good luck.

      • Mr. Tim-

        IMO- Rainbow is in the poem.

        “I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak”…

        IMO that is a rainbow! specifically the END of the rainbow. You see.. done means “end”
        –tired comes from the word “Tiered or rank”
        –weak means “to bend”

        Therefore you have the end of something with ranking which is bent. I wonder what that is…….

        And that is in the poem…..


        • Ah the rainbow, is it not the nine clues that will lead us to its end and the treasure. So then where does this said rainbow begin?

          I guess the question we ought to be asking is: how can one be led to either end of it?

          • Mr. Oz-..

            IMO…The poem has a poem within the poem!…What?…..

            This was a hard concept for Billy to comprehend. There at least two levels (and maybe three) to the poem. IMO

            In other words.. there is one level, where you put words of a sentence together just like the rainbow example above.

            The second level is discovering the origin, or meaning of each and every word individually. IMO

            So even though you can now see where the rainbow is in the poem, one still needs to dissect each of the words in that sentence and the rest of the poem.

            So even though you used them once to discover the rainbow, you can’t dismiss them. The same words may have alternative meanings which Fenn is trying to communicate to you on another level directing your path.

            Of course this is all my opinion.

            I’m still wrestling with if there is a third level. If you hear a ..Pop…that was Billy’s head exploding…

            Best regards

          • SB,

            Now that you mention it, I do think there is more than 2 layers. At first, I thought, well if ff wants this thing found at some point he must’ve known that the level of difficulty raises exponentially as you add layers to something.

            But then again, it is his poem and his thoughts, he could have gone as deep as he wanted. And he did, otherwise why would take him 15 years to complete? He did say something like ‘I don’t know if my poem will take anyone to the treasure’ and very possibly why he is looking to 100s or 1000s of years from now.

          • SB,
            I hear a lot of snapping and cracking going on in my head… but unfortunately… no pop as of yet.

            I get what you’re saying about; “levels” and some like to use “layers” [self included]. But when those words of descriptions are used, I think many don’t understand what others mean by it.
            You’re example of rainbow in the poem is a good example for showing how to analyze the poem.
            For me… this is what fenn meant by “difficult, but not impossible” It’s like playing with your alphabet soup… finding just the right combination of words, lines, sentences, stanzas, phrases, and yes, synonyms, idioms etc. in the right order ‘of understanding’ and still be “Plain English” and straight forward in honestly of the design.

            That would be nearly impossible for many to attempt in writing a poem in such a manner. I dare say it would take me a few decades to get it just right… or in my case… I’d probably wouldn’t have the dedication to even attempt something so “complex” to write it out straightforward enough to make it all true and honest.

            “Some searchers overrate **the complexity of the search**. By knowing…” …going out of the box because they think the answers lie elsewhere”

            IMO, the research is in the poem.
            The only need to leave the box is because we need to refresh / reboot on what we should know…

            “I looked up words and definitions of words and changed them, went back and rebooted… it [ the poem ] turned out exactly like I wanted..”

            If that isn’t a tug on the leash, I don’t know what is.

            End of commentary.

          • I believe that we are definitely looking at multiple layers. The solving is in the words, the definitions, double meanings, the instructions. Also the nouns and pronouns, is he personifying a thing or objectifying a human action? Otherwise, why will it take him 15 years to write 166 words? Over-complicating it with those other things like Latin, bible verses, etc.. is not the way it seems.

            At the end it will be something like:

            Me and my partner will make you very rich. I can only tell you what you will find but I don’t know where it is. My partner will take you there not knowing what you will find. Without me there is no incentive to follow him, but without him you won’t even think of me. What’s our names? My name is Treasure and his name is Map.

          • Oz10,
            Are you implying that the map or GE is “I” in stanza one and the treasures bold are on the map? And, me in the middle, is fenn…

            If so, that would be a different concept of the poem [metaphorically]… But lets take it a step further, is stanza five to be fenn in the middle?

            If I’m reading into this correctly..IDK… I would really like to see the map your looking at. Not where, but what kind/type of map or GE details.

          • Seeker, I wish I knew. The literal or first layer is that (I-my) is ff. The second layer will be to insert something as a river or a mountain range or something else. That easily makes sense in the first stanza for example.

            The third and possibly extra layers needs some creativity. The words in the poem or their multiple definitions may be the (I), the (my) or the (it) at different times. They could confirm some of the literal lines and I think this is how we will find what we need to find on a map, by naming a place or describing a feature.

          • OZ10…You are saying( not exactly…but close) what I am inferring in my post response to GCG over @ odds+ ends.
            The clues are in the poem as a map to be followed progressively(in order, closely knit) to advance (get closer) to the end of the “rainbow” and the treasure. The wording is such…that it misleads(by wrong interp) from one point to the next.
            Your synopsis is much clearer than mine in terms of relating it to a useable map…never the less…I see it !
            I can’t reconcile the term, “layers”, meaning running through the layers one @ a time individually. I do see it as a “job” to tie them(the layers) in total…before moving forward from one step to the next.
            I noticed you were trying to make that point recently…but it was futile in that example. The individual definitions of words may well be all…or partially used…earlier and later in progression. Hence the layers….
            Excellent post!

          • Lisa, I like the Exeter book. I found some more info on rainbows:

            The idea that a pot of gold can be found at the rainbow’s end originated somewhere in old Europe. In Silesia, an obscure area of eastern Europe, it was said that the angels put the gold there and that only a nude man could obtain the prize. Hmm…..

            Can you go under a rainbow’s arch and come out the other side? Not according to the laws of physics. A rainbow is all light and water. It is always in front of you while your back is to the sun. However, there is an old European belief that anyone passing beneath the rainbow would be transformed, man into woman, woman into man! Hmm….

        • Hey SB.

          That seems to be a stretch….messing with the poem…..and manipulating the words FF wrote.

          He wrote them one way….and to disagree with your methodology….IMO – the way he intended it t be read is straightfoward, as it matches a place in the RMs.

          This method seems to be forcing meaning into the poem.

          I’ll disagree.

          Thanks for sharing.

          “IDITANIW” – IMO – is him creating the trail markers and the effort it took to hide the TC.


          • Tim this is a little late as your comment about RAINBOWS was earlier, but look at the word BROWN and a rainbow, then consider this: 7 colors IN the rainbow, but 9 total……In additive color mixing, like light, all the colors combined create white. Consider a prism and imagine the process in reverse, spin a rainbow and you get WHITE but in subtractive color mixing, like paint, all the colors combined create black. This is because you’ve effectively blocked all other colors.

            What was a favorite color of Eric Sloane ? Brown?


          • Hi TT…thanks for the responses.

            As for the phrase….

            “Bad Boys Rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly” . What was it about Radar School in Biloxi Forrest said?

            Red, Brown, Bkack, orange, yelliw, green, blue, violet gold white…..I think….it’s been about 40 yrs since my electronic days.

            This is an easy way of remembering the color bands on electronic resistors. It easily helps in deciphering the value of the resistor.

            Nothing more in that rabbit hole.

            Now if you can use that…then you are a much better man than I.

            Good luck.

          • IMO, if you can’t cross reference it with something from TTOTC then it’s not going to help you find the chest.

          • Jeebsum Tim!
            Years ago I went through Millington and remember that well! I always thought it rather …um …well…blunt and odd at the same time. Of other interest concerning the characteristics of a “rainbow” is how they are formed and the specifics involved. Angles…distance…etc.

          • OZ10, Tom Terrific, Tim and the two kens:

            Angles and Angels, and I think the excited naked man finding the pot of gold in the Silesia legend makes sense. With the sun behind him, he could be the Golden Gnomon of a Sundial to cast a shadow to indicate the end of the rainbow and the pot of gold, couldn’t he?

            And Newton correlated that color mixing chart with the musical scale. Is that?:

            “So hear me all and listen good”


            Note the X on the far left and the Y on the far right in that scale drawing. is that?:

            “The end is ever drawing nigh”

            Nigh means on the left. From GE or a good map or a Piper Malibu plane view, the Y of Madison Junction is my BIWWWH on the right, and my X is my hidey spot on the left, and that X is within my home of Brown. And I still think that “ever” in the Poem is a nod to Everard = Eric Sloane, and Forrest reuniting with him after his death. See also: TT’s mention of Brown as Eric’s favorite color, and color mixing, and the correct order of the colors , right to left, in Newton’s music scale chart. Newton was the King of Rainbows and prisms.

          • *And Purple or Violet corresponds to Newton’s Key of E. My hidey spot is almost exactly 500 feet off of the Red-Black-Violet trail #207. And you have to cross a proverbial “worth the cold” 360° Rainbow or Circumpunct = Gold symbol to get there.

          • History lessons are plentiful here at the hiS.

            What I’m not seeing is how you can marry this information to a place in the RMs, and retrieve the chest.

            Lisa, I appreciate your sharing and all, but to me, unless you can validate what you are “guessing” at, it probably is not a correct solve.

            I have a solve and cannot debunk the info it contains. Your info plays no bearing in mine at all.

            Thanks again for shaing and good luck.

      • Carol, since the Hopi nation is in Northeastern AZ it may be a little out of the pocket for the Rockies, but my favorite pottery and perhaps ff too could be Hopi created, ff once said it was pretty fine stuff.

        Ancient Hopi clowns (Kokopelli) are so rare and beautiful, they are made as a crossover from the Kachina/effigy and pottery, often have twin cone hats that look like a 19th century prisoner black and white uniforms, stiped. Called Koshari

        Forrest likes to play this “mythical character” when he intentionally says comments like WW1 and means Spanish Cival War.. or 4 cards and a Joker…just sayin. That is something that people of Pueblo decent know, understand and respect for their cleverness and creativity.

        Its reminds me of the “Indian Jones” who immerses himself into a culture to gain knowlege …and un-der-standing so he can find the hidden treasure.

        ff has certainly known that technique.


  8. Hi GCG: in Key Word 6 you had a long reply to which I didn’t get around to answering before #6 was retired. You started:

    “I promised to get back with you on a further review of the poem to look for a pattern regarding a repetitive word which is key in the poem.”

    I’m afraid with your first sentence, you’re already off-track if you’re trying to figure out my key that appears more than once in the poem. It is not one of the 166 words in poem; and it isn’t a synonym or homonym of one of those words. Nor is my key something generic that you can’t do anything with, like “Imagination” or “Confidence” or “Memories.” It is very specific.

  9. LOL…I work with babies and toddlers daily. Today one of them grabbed at my key and started repeating “key” over and over and over….
    Which automatically starts my brain to silently repeating the poem.
    I can’t get away from the poem. 😉

    By the way, I asked him what the key is used for?
    He replied, “Unlock, Unlock.”
    I am thinking about recruiting him on my search team.

  10. Here’s a funny thing I saw. Hope your key word isn’t “up”. lol

    There is a two-letter word that perhaps has more meanings than any other two-letter word, and that is ‘UP.’
    It’s easy to understand UP, meaning toward the sky or at the top of the list, but when we awaken in the morning, why do we wake UP ?
    At a meeting, why does a topic come UP ?
    Why do we speak UP and why are the officers UP for election and why is it UP to the secretary to write UP a report ?
    We call UP our friends.
    And we use it to brighten UP a room, polish UP the silver; we warm UP the leftovers and clean UP the kitchen.

    We lock UP the house and some guys fix UP the old car.
    At other times the little word has real special meaning.
    People stir UP trouble, line UP for tickets, work UP an appetite, and think UP excuses.
    To be dressed is one thing, but to be dressed UP is special.
    A drain must be opened UP because it is stopped UP…
    We open UP a store in the morning but we close it UP at night.

    We seem to be pretty mixed UP about UP !
    To be knowledgeable about the proper uses of UP, look the word UP in the dictionary.
    In a desk-sized dictionary, it takes UP almost 1/4th of the page and can add UP to about thirty definitions.

    If you are UP to it, you might try building UP a list of the many ways UP is used.
    It will take UP a lot of your time, but if you don’t give UP, you may wind UP with a hundred or more.
    When it threatens to rain, we say it is clouding UP .

    When the sun comes out we say it is clearing UP…
    When it rains, it wets the earth and often messes things UP.
    When it doesn’t rain for awhile, things dry UP.

    One could go on and on, but I’ll wrap it UP, for now my time is UP, so……….it is time to shut UP!

    Now it’s UP to you what you do with this.

  11. That would take “up” too much of my time. lol. No— I really haven’t done a word study on words in the poem. I probably should. I once did for the word “halt” and was really surprised at the definitions. Just recently, after a year at this I did realize that gold and brown are the only two “colors” mentioned in the poem though. 🙂

  12. Alsetenash – Key Word: Alice

    In tight focus with ‘A’ word that is key.

    I believe Lewis Carroll was inspired by the Wonder and Imagination of his niece, Alice, while rowing down the Thames River with her. YNP was aka New Wonderland in Union Pacific’s historic ad campaign:

    My BIWWWH is at Madison Junction in YNP. We know that Forrest floated down the Madison River, and fished using his dinghy there, by the preface in TFTW. And that Union Pacific ad was during the time that Steam Trains were bringing visitors to West Yellowstone. When steam evaporates also could be WWWH. And Forrest went to the Union Pacific Station in West Yellowstone to take a shower sometimes, because of the WWWH in the bathtub at his cabin there, didn’t he?

        • Lisa, I like your posts. A lot of research goes behind most everything you post. Very informative and compelling to say the least. “A” word that is key, who knows, maybe, I can’t say yes or no to it. It’s the part “I think” that you used that gives me pause. That would be a guess. I know you know, just throwing a possible out there, I get it, but all the speculation and research in the world can’t get by the fact that it’s proving a guess. Again, if the poem doesn’t solve for it, it’s probably a rabbit hole. Maybe all rabbit holes aren’t so bad, Alice came out okay, but in the chase, unless Alice knows Chinese, that hole is not going to take her to Wonderland.
          (Yes, I’m half kidding and playing around), just want to make sure we are all on the same page of “guessing”.
          With that said, a key from the poem could be, like we said before, ‘that’. There is a lot of support info for it, and I won’t say how this came to be, it’s something if someone wants to look into they can find, if not, it’s dust in the wind, but the word ‘that” is the longitude degrees. How is it the longitude is up to the person looking to find, like I said, lots of support info. I sure wouldn’t take my word for it, nobody should, but it is there. A word “that” is key. And yes, the poem also has a “key”. It makes his ATF comment true in both ways.

          • Reminds me of a riddle I heard when I was six – Railroad crossing, look out for the cars, Can you spell that without any “R”‘s? Of course, the answer was THAT – 🙂 JDA

          • charles – Everytime I use, “I think” in a post, remember that is my equivalent of writing, IMO. I am using my Imagination to always stay open to explore new thoughts and connections. And until the bronze chest is found, we are all guessing. I think.

            Here is another good rabbit hole I went down, regarding the, “Not far, but too far too walk” line in the Poem:

            Lisa Cesari
            on December 14, 2017 at 2:04 pm said:
            bob – Here’s a Scrapbook with lots of pictures of Forrest’s tired shoes:


            “This life, which had been the tomb of his virtue and of his honour, is but a walking shadow; a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more …”

            Thank you Mister Shakespeare, but we didn’t ask for your opinion, and we’re not ready yet to retire. We’ll let you know when. Hope you’re taking notes.

            Yeah, and everyone over at Dal’s keeps ignoring my references to Shakespeare’s Epitaph and Forrest maybe using that to write his original Poem…

            Too Far to Walk…the shadow on the cover.

          • charles – Like when you wrote:

            “There is a lot of support info for it, and I won’t say how this came to be, it’s something if someone wants to look into they can find, if not, it’s dust in the wind, ”

            You know not when you give an unintended CLEW. The song, Dust in the Wind, was based on the legend of Daedalus creating the maze for King Minos, and Icarus got too close to the blaze of the Sun, and he fell into the sea.

            See also: Ariadne and Forrest’s missing Big Ball of String.


          • Yes Lisa, you are right. I don’t think I was writing in as so much to noobs instead of you. Really, don’t know what I was thinking, was still at work.
            Anyway,” You know not when you give an unintended CLEW. The song, Dust in the Wind, was based on the legend of Daedalus creating the maze for King Minos, and Icarus got too close to the blaze of the Sun, and he fell into the sea.”
            I know, I was trying to show how the poem could be used but couldn’t explain, like I said, was at work. Lol, lousy excuse. I actually hate when posters do that. So, now at home and forgot what I was going to say. Wow, brain is in the abyss of the chase. I’m not even going to tell JDA there were no cars when he was six. I’m slipping. You guys have a good weekend, think I’ll reset until Monday…

  13. could the key word be CANCER? in the ode to peggy he starts by saying “Cancer is a terrible word” and it is written in red…also in the chapter Gold and More on pg 128 again in red letter he starts a paragraph saying “And then I got cancer.”…..I dont know how I could use the word cancer to solve anything but it stood out to me so maybe one of you will find it useful.

  14. i think the key word is meek and refers to land ownership. no place for the meek could be about georgia o’keeffe. following landownership in this area may induce madness and or conspiracy theories”not joking at all”.

  15. no mite be the word forrest regrets putting in the pome. cancer,religion and art just north of santa fe and book releases following google’s new sat photo updates for the area….ill be back there in january”looking for the gold cross buried by the salt lake”

  16. Personally the word YOUR seems to be the most important. If you translate this word in a creative way. like YOUR CREEK is really like MINE CREEK. The hidden meaning of the word YOUR is describing something the hidden name of the creek your going up.

  17. I’ve spent considerable time over the past few months in studying the poem exclusive of outside comments or books. Previously, I thought that “Brown” was the word that is key. I now believe that “it” is the word that is key. I think that “begin it” refers to more than just the beginning of the search, and could be the key to solving the poem.

    • TomB…Don’t forget the second instruction, “and take it…”

      Two instructions in sequence, two actions to be taken in turn, both concerning “it”…So what is “it”?

      • I see 5 instances of the word “it” in the poem, one of which is a simple contraction “it’s” rather than an impersonal pronoun as the other 4 usages of the word….

        Lines 5 & 6 appear to refer to the same “it” by use of compound action verbs “begin” and “take” joined by conjunction….These two refer to same thing or object affected by different actions IMO…

        Line 17 “it” and line 20 “it” are impersonal pronouns and different usage than line 5 & 6. Each is subjective to the context of the question or statement where “it” is used.

        Similarly, the two “I”s used in the first stanza refer to the same entity, possibly NOT Fenn, while the three “I”s, the “I’ve” and “I’m” in stanzas 5 & 6 are different in the context in which they are used and DO refer to Fenn.

        But that’s me……….

        • Well said samsmith. It is very possible that the I’s and It’s in the first 3 stanza’s are one in the same and not Forrest or the journey.

    • One meaning for “it” would be the obvious “your journey” or “the search”. But Fenn’s use of “it”, particularly in the phrase “take it in the canyon down”, seems purposefuly done to allow for an additional meaning. What that meaning is, i’m not sure.

  18. Aaron- home of Brown is not the clue. put in below the home of Brown is the clue. put in a basement.

    no dont thank me, i give freely.

    • Dodo, I do believe “put in below” is an underrated part of that line and have stated as much here. I only worded it that way as question to DRock since he only used Brown in his statement.

  19. What if 500-200 ft are in reference to elevation, not distance. What if they told him they were at browns canyon Colorado which has an elevation of 5,600 ft (I’m guessing I didn’t even bother to look it up) , but the treasure location is iat 5,400ft or 5,800ft in Montana, again wehave no clue what fenn meant by this… personally tho I think it’s both, in my one and only solve the elevation change from my wwwh to where I beleive the treasure is located is almost 200’ exactly, and there’s a road that runs right by the treasure location I beleive the treasure is atleast 500’ from that road … all speculatiive of course, but then again what isn’t speculative in this chase

  20. Here are 2 quotes from Forrest Fenn:

    “What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.”

    “Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

    The following comments are IN MY HUMBLE OPINION

    Forrest has talked about the “word that is key” and he had mentioned the “one important possibility related to the winning solve”. It is my thinking here, but I believe these 2 quotes are speaking of the same thing,

    I don’t know if any of you more experienced searchers and analysts have ever considered this or not. It is just my idea and it fits with my solve area and my selected “word that is key”.

    So any ideas you might have would be of interest to me. I am inclined to think this way but no one is correct until Indulgence is found and safe in the vault.

    What say you?


    • How could those quotes be related?

      The historically first one implies that a few people know about a key word, and the years later quote implies that nobody thought about something unspecified.

    • Hi Franklin, It’s hard to say if the two quotes are directly related. I think there are many who try to focus on “the” key work when the quote mentions “…a word that is key”. There’s a subtle difference between “the” key word and “a” word that’s key. For your question, I don’t see a direct relationship between the two quotes – there’s just too room in between them. IMO

    • Hi Franklin: based on those two quotes, it wouldn’t appear possible that they are the same thing since the first quote suggests nobody has figured that one out, while the second one suggests that a few have.

    • Franklin;

      I agree with you that Forrest could very well be talking about the same thing. Quote #2,“Many have given serious thought to the clues in the poem but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.” Quote #1:“What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.”

      If we take out the “Fluff” – we are left with: ‘only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key, and nobody has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.’ To me this is saying that few have focused on the ‘word that is key’, and nobody has analyzed the importance of ‘this word – that is key’.

      To me, it is entirely possible that a few people, for one reason or another MAY have stumbled on the ‘word that is key’. Just knowing the word is not enough, one must figure out what the significance of this word is, as it relates to solving the riddles of the poem. Just my humble opinion – Good thinkin’ Franklin – JDA

      • Agreed (Franklin) and agreed (JDA) – The one important possibility could be the correct understanding of the word that is key that, although many are focused on, none have established.

        • Bowmark;

          I would venture to say that only a very few have discovered the correct “word that is key” – not many… and out of the few that have correctly identified it, even fewer, if any, have discovered its importance. It took me over two years, and until I find Indulgence, I will not know for sure, if I am correct. JDA

          • JDA,
            If all you need is the poem, which line in the poem tells us that “a word that is key” is needed to solve the poem? “Hear me all and listen good” maybe?

        • JDA: gonna go contrarian. I think everyone who has figured out Forrest’s “word that is key” (likely still a comparatively small group) knows its significance, what it specifically refers to, and how to use it. The “important possibility” is something else altogether.

          • “Ain’t it wonderful?” – So many viewpoints by so many that are sure that they have the right answers – me included. Come on spring – I gotta’ get out there and hopefully end this thing before I go bonkers. JDA

          • JDA: at least you only live ~5 hours away, so you have the luxury of going to your spot nearly whenever you want when the weather allows. Wish I could say the same!

          • Zap;

            5 hrs – more or less – but that makes it all the more exasperating at times – So close, yet so far away) – woke up to 4″ of snow this AM. Just looked at WDOT (Wyoming Dept of Trans) see about the same near my site – A couple of passes got hammered. Oh well, Spring WILL come soon (I hope) – JDA

  21. All in my opinion:

    Thanks for the replies. There are so many Forrest Fenn quotes out there, and these 2 have always stuck in my brain for some reason. For me, it is kind of like what JDA said. My word that is key has led me in a certain direction, which then led me towards an entire solve based on the 2 lines of thinking. Of course I may be wrong, and I freely admit that. However, I don’t think we should all assume the “word that is key” is actually a word in the poem itself.

    Forrest never confirmed to my knowledge, that the “word that is key” is actually in the poem. I also think he has never said it is NOT in the poem, so it all is subject to our interpretation(s). I like to look at the poem not as a cypher, but as a guide to the treasure. As for me, I do not believe numbers are hidden within it, but I know some disagree with that.

    Thanks all


    • Franklin;

      I again agree with you – I do not think that the “Word that is key” is in the poem – NOT one of the 166 words that make up the poem might be a better way of phrasing it – because, in a way, the IDEA is hidden within the poem – Confusing enough? I hope so. JDA

      • Hey JDA,

        I also believe the word that is key is not in the poem. The idea is hidden within the poem, and there are hints towards this way of thinking in all 3 books. It is confusing only to those who have not considered this line of thinking.

        Even though “imagination” is not my word that is key, it takes imagination to use my word that is key. For me it all fits together in a really beautiful way. I hope my ideas eventually lead to the TC, but like all involved, I am not right until I have it locked up in my vault :-))


        • Franklin,

          Previously at the top of this thread another searcher suggested the same idea.

          I also believe these two statements are connected along with a few other of Forrest comments.

          To answers Zap’s question as to how they could be related; Forrest gets many emails and does check in on the various forums from time to time (as you know) so the few who are in tight-focus could be on the right track to figuring out this “logical” possibility which is key to solving the poems clues or ultimately locating the treasure…

          I believe “a word that is key,” however, is most definitely in the poem!

          Forrest is a poem purist for the most part, at least in his replies relative to the chase unless he specifically is addressing the book and its “hints.”



      • A key word I am using is also not in the poem. It helps me with a geographic location that I can relate the clues to. The first stanza helped me figure out this word and the clues also relate so I feel good about it. Whether it’s the key word that FF is talking about I do not know. Hopefully in summer I’ll find out 🙂

  22. Thank You !! I appreciate that opinion.

    In my solve, imagination is a huge thing, and Forrest said long ago that imagination and resolve would be the qualities a person would need to solve the poem.


  23. Franklin,

    You said, “Forrest said long ago that imagination and resolve would be the qualities a person would need to solve the poem.” is not quite accurate.

    On the Santa Fe Radio Cafe with Mary-Charlotte Domandi interview on 10-25-2010 with F, the statement was, “…I’ve taken this treasure chest to a very secret and very special place, and I’ve hidden it there. And there are 9 clues in my book. You have to read the book. But if you have an imagination and you have a pretty good mind and you have a little bit of resolve you can find that treasure chest.”

    Just Say’n

      • Franklin,

        Maybe we could get together to discuss the poem some day. I believe you live in Denver as you mentioned the foothills on a earlier post. No discussion on our solves.

  24. FF said “a word that is key”. If he ever used the phrase “a key word”, please tell me where.

    I believe that there are several words in the poem that may be “key”
    regarding a good solve. The word “wise” comes to mind. But when I
    think of “a word that is key”, a different word comes to mind, and it
    isn’t part of the poem.

    The above is my opinion, and it is important to me. But I’m not necessarily authorized — by y’all — to speak for y’all, am I?

  25. “The Key word is contentment. If you can find it, everything else has already fallen in place” Mysterious Writings question 6 February 4, 2013

  26. I have a thought about “a word that is key” that is “water”. The references to water is mentioned 3 times, “wwwh”, “your creek” and “water high”. A possible fourth is “worth the cold”, which I think is a reference to water.

    The poem keeps the path to the treasure near water from the beginning to the the end.

    As always my opinion.

  27. i think that the word that is key is eye – to find hob you need to find a land mark that has an eye – to find where the tc is you also have to do the same imo

  28. The word that is key is simple. Its just one word in the poem that took a lot of imagination to figure out what it meant. thats it..


  29. Just passing through…interesting ideas….tight focus / eye
    Ojo means eye….Caliente means hot…the brain is like a rock tumbler…round and round she goes…when it is polished…nobody knows.

  30. Something I have pondered about ” a word that is key “. This may have been discussed over the years , I dunno.

    He didn’t type it as tight focus with a keyword but rather ” tight focus with a word that is key”. Perhaps this could mean that there are many people looking for numbers and coordinates in the poem but we probably should be looking at the words in the poem as words only? The poem contains only words not having any relationship with numbers? The word , “word” is singular rather than plural so as to not give focus on combinations but just words rather than numbers as being his point, perhaps? To me, it’s more than likely that a clue would be inclusive of more than one word used to describe a clue or clues naturally anyways. So, thus the usage of “a word” instead of words or keyword could potentially be a targeted response to help focus on the words rather than numbers ;nor does any word figuratively unlock the poem? Plurality is a natural given for words for a clue, such as HOB or WWWH etc.

    So basically, I ponder on this day that maybe he is just saying- there are no numbers to glean within the poem nor is there a keyword. Just focus on all the words for solving clues, the true core meanings of his words, is being advised by him? No codes ,nor cyphers or unlocky keyword -maybe? The poem being as descriptive words that can be physically seen ,mapped and imagined?

    I link this quote by FF to my pondering:

    “There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues.”

    Just one of my many ongoing changes of many opinions daily .


    • Hi Alsetenash,

      Your posts are always well articulated and thought provoking.

      First off, I believe that the “word that is key” is in the poem and I’ll go even further and say it’s a noun, but some imagination is required to see it. It’s my opinion that there are useful numbers incorporated in there as well.

      I’ve come to see one aspect of the poem as a tribute from Forrest to his parents (who were educators) by making use of reading, writing and arithmetic. To explain my take on it we have to delve into the hypothetical. Suppose one came up with a solve that married the clues to the geological features of an area in such a way that made good sense, but still left one wondering. If there were numbers for headings, distances and even elevations ingeniously hidden in the poem using simple math, then it might give a searcher a higher level of confidence.

      It’s not hard to put numbers into a poem, but it would be quite a feat to have clues, numbers and artistic composition work together in this way. These hypothetical numbers probably wouldn’t make any sense to a searcher unless they were applied correctly in the right area. It would defy the odds to have a heading, distance and elevation from one point to another randomly come out of these numbers, let alone several.

      The above musings may or may not be based on the experiences of a searcher, but they are certainly based on my humble opinions.


      • Thanks Welderon. I relate much to what you have written. I don’t think numbers are totally absent of value. I just don’t think that numbers were part of the leading indicators within the meanings of words in the poem; meaning-no value as equivalents in numbers to the creation of the words chosen for clues. So, no coordinates, codes nor numbers translated into words or vice versa. IMO

        Forrest has said,”Imagination isn’t a technique, it’s a key. f” . He didn’t say it was a word that is key, though it is a key , it is a word and is used as a definer. Imagination is a word just by default. So, how I apply this imagination is key to a word that is key–is to the missing tittle of the poem.IMO

        When I first read the poem the first 30 times, a saying popped in my head. That saying became my tittle to the poem. My grandfather was a unpublished poet. He wrote one last poem just before he passed at 98 years of age- same tittle as his poem came to mind when reading FF’s. That tittle was a leading indicator for the/a meaning of the poem for me.IMO.

        A supportive indicator for my thinking is this quote:

        “What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.”FF

        Yes, I also think ” a word that is key” is in the poem, or I shall say, of the poem within the poem. It is the title of the poem. IMO . It should answer and lead to a perceived tittle of the poem. IMO .

        • The missing title is an interesting aspect. Hard to say if is related to the key word. I can see where the two could be related.

          A few interesting things about the poem and it’s structure stand out to me.
          Missing an X
          No Title
          3 stanza’s with clues and 3 stanza’s with hints. 3 X 3 = 9. There is an X there.
          A line with title in it: Title to the gold. Does this mean the title of the poem should be ‘To the Gold’? Should the title be ‘X’? Any relation to the key word? Not so much for a key word I am using but possible for others.

          • Interesting ” missing things” one can notice about the poem. Your ” To The Gold” , doesn’t resonate to me but is inline with the thought though. The poem is very symmetrical in the numbers ,via counting, but I can’t relate this notice as being helpful for me.

            How many words with an X in it can you think of that could be used that would be conducive within the context of the poem? Therefore, could that word that is established by you be a missing word that is key? What would the word with an X be that it would rhyme with before or after it if the X was phoenically similar? How would this word with an X be used as a clue , hint or neither ? These are just questions I asked myself about the X missing. 24th letter in alphabet , 24 lines etc. I dunno, gets me to nowhere from these. I think the missing x is just an unusable extra fat. Lol.

            For me, the word that is key is part of the missing tittle and the tittle is in sync with the first stanza . IMO . My line of thinking is , is that a solve would explain the tittle also. IMO.

        • I also believe the word is in the poem. He tells us, “a word that”, those three words are enough to tell someone what the “word” is he’s talking about.
          The key is something different. “That” is just key to a certain part of the quest, the key has it’s own meaning. There is no “key word”.
          A searcher should come out with three different scenarios. 1. “that” is a key,
          2. the things in tight focus are in tight focus with a ‘key”, 3. there is no “key word”.
          There is no magical word, IMO. I believed for awhile that this statement, ““What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.”FF, was related to the fact that all clues cannot be solved from home. If you have not had BotG, you could not solve all the clues. What word would there be to help solve the whole poem? It doesn’t seem likely f would do something so possibly easy to just guess.
          Something is in tight focus with a key, that’s a gimmie, obvious. So there is a key so to speak.
          The word “that” is also a key to something.
          If you believe that some special word outside of what he is saying will help, and is in the poem, how could you think numbers would not be a part of that? So there is some word, so what, means nothing. Unless you look at the placement of this word. Then you would have a key to something. The word “that” is in the poem once. Means nothing, except it’s placement, the 113th word, this could be the start of longitude degrees, could be a distance, feet, miles, whatever.
          If you really think about it, the word is later in the poem, most likely the clues at the end of the chase are in tight focus, or closer together. The actual “key” may give the result of the word “that”. 113 of something, degrees, feet, miles, whatever. This is something that happens after the half way point, IMO.
          Maybe it’s not the words so much as it’s their placement. Why else would he say not to mess with the poem? Changing a letter changes a word, changing or moving a word takes it out of place. Switching stanzas or moving them around messes with the placement of the words. A lot to consider, but some magical “key word” that unlocks the poem?
          If there is a key word, then it is something that can think. Or, is a person. Sounds foolish, right? Consider his other statement,
          “Forrest Fenn on February 18, 2016 at 2:02 pm said:
          Spoon, “If a person had the correct GPS coordinates they could find the chest.” Physics says this has to be true. How can it not be? The key word here is “correct.”

          What is correct? Since Forrest is the one making the statement, and he’s the one being correct, then Forrest Fenn is the key. But you do have a choice if you want to believe in some magical key word. It’s something in that statement. Whatever was correct, in your mind, would be the key.
          So, 1. placement of word or words, 2. something with Forrest is key to the clues at the end of the chase, 3. no magical key word to unlock the poem.
          He says all the info you need in these statements, there cannot be a word outside the poem, because all we need is the poem. If anything, it is in the poem. And if it is so “key”, it would have to be. The thing is, so what? What makes any of the words in the poem so important? He uses a word “that”, big deal. But a word “that” is key. So, what makes this word so special/ It’s the number. It’s placement in the poem. Whether it’s a distance, or a degree, or a mile marker on the road, whatever, it’s something. Forrest says so. And it will help with the last parts of the chase.
          Why is it not wise to discount any of the words? Why not mess with the poem? If we are to go by what he says, why look for words outside the poem? This is all about him, his memoirs, his life, I would think that he has something to do with the chase. He will be in your solve. Searchers can think it’s about his siblings, or friends, or parents, or family all they want, this is about him. The one thing that is his. Nobody knows except him. That sounds pretty “key” to me…

          • I never said I think there is a “magical keyword” . Rather, a word that is within the poem that is mentioned or eluded to in the first stanza; that gives meaning to the ‘missing’ title. IMO. A solve would likely have some relative credence with the “word that is key” as an affect with a title to the poem. IMO. Essentially, my theory is a solve would explain the word that is key linked in the first stanza equating a figurative missing Title to the poem. Meaning perhaps all them ‘it’ words is the word that is key in the meaning of the ‘it’ words. Does this explain it better?

            Seems that you are working with coordinates gleaned within the poem as a word that is key and I noted a contrarian opinion- sparking a thunderous lambaste and lecture.

            Continue as you are. 🙂 .

          • “perhaps all them ‘it’ words is the word that is key in the meaning of the ‘it’ words.”

            This could be indeed so. In algebra X is a variable for an unknown value. Perhaps our missing X is ‘it’ which is the unknown variable we need to solve for. When known, this becomes our word that is key.

          • Aaron, yes, yes and yes! IMO. You get ‘it’, got ‘it’ and ‘title ‘it’!!! The word that is key is the MEANING of ‘it’. ” I give you title to the gold”. IMO. Surveying the poem with the lense of consistency in mind. What is the most predominant break in a chain of consistency? Well I see it with the words: ( we’re looking at it from the word that is key perspective here) treasures, chest, trove and gold. Gold is the only one that is singular of an item, where as , the others reference the plurality of Indulgences’ contents! There’s more in there than gold! So, the last line is title to the gold and the first stanza is the introduction of the poem ; which is always the closest link to the title of any poem! IMO!

            “It” is the focus word in the poem. Not all of the ‘it’ words represent the same word for their meanings- they are different each for the 3-treasures, chest, trove- leave gold out of ‘it’ . Because the consistency changes . So, there are 3 words in the Title of the poem. IMO . So why does he say ‘gold’ in the end?

            The answer I think I already know! IMO.

            The word that is key is “it” in the poem. More than one meaning , the meanings are not in the poem- but connected.

            This is just my opinion of course.

          • Interesting thoughts here. For what it’s worth I believe that the keyword does tie things together and is related to treasures and trove. I have another thought about gold. IMO out of all of the fore mentioned chest could be the only direct reference to indulgence.

          • Al, I didn’t mean you specifically, I was talking “all” in general that think there is this one word that will solve everything. I’m not trying to criticize your method for finding info. Sorry for the mix up. And again, I am not hell-bent on coordinates. I’m just showing a way numbers could come into play. For me, the stuff I was referring to has nothing to do with coordinates. I just said it’s a possible.
            I will say that to find a small box out in the Rockies without a number system is going to be very difficult for whoever goes that route. F did want this to last awhile, not forever. Names change to easily, just don’t see a solve not having numbers. I understand some cannot find numbers in the poem, to each their own. I don’t see f doing that, (leaving out numbers). If for any reason, just the safety issue would be one. I think the chase is to get people out and about, not out and lost. Too many first timers, f would know this. Along with his comments, it’s best to at least have a try on trying to see the numbers. Couldn’t hurt. And I don’t mean just you, everyone that hasn’t found them, no matter what method that searcher uses.
            As far as the first stanza goes, I don’t hear him saying anything about the first stanza and a key. So, I don’t know where you are going with that, but if it works for you, all the better.
            So, to now criticize,lol:), he should have said, “a word it is key”. But he didn’t. You are right, a lot of “it” words, but cannot tie them in with his comment. Only one “that” word.
            Maybe the “it” words are for something else, but for a word “that” is key, I don’t see “it”. Maybe “it” is a title thing, IDK, but a “key”, you’d have to come up with some good info that f has said to dispute anything other then the word “that” or the word “key”. IMO. (you know I like your comments, I apologize for coming off aloof, it’s the Aquarius in me).

          • No problem fellow Aquarian. I was being humorous about the intense passion of thoughts lol. The combined different minds working on this chase solving the poem is incredible . Very high entertainment value I must say.

            “Tight focus with a word that is key” is in my opinion, is a very important admonishment that FF has said. It’s in the top 3 most relevant ATF’s . IMO.

            What does he mean? In the poem? In his ATF words? In his books? Is this eluding to steer away from numbers as focus? This statement is similar in style to his poem lines. So easily no so easily straight forward.

            A good debate includes good humour. IMO . 🙂


          • Well said, Al. I can see that discussion. I always reserve the right to be totally wrong about everything regarding the chase. I know it’s hard to get on board with letters having numerical values, there is no “X”. I get it.
            (but, it is a mute argument, “X”, IMO, can be anything, 1-9). I just use 9. xisix…:)
            A fellow Aquarian, :), everyone should know we are right anyway, at least we do…

    • Alsetenash,
      My thoughts are:

      The “focused few” have had over three years to ponder over a “word” that they know for certain is key. What do you suppose these “focused few” are doing now? Did they give up or are we three years behind?

      • I think those people who had the word that is key had no need to ponder it if they already knew it and let Forrest know. They employed it.

        The full 2014 quote at Jenny’s site ends with “The treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated.”

        After that, somebody maybe had four clues correct. Then it was nobody closer than 500 ft. Then nobody told him the clues in the right order. Then he was frankly surprised that nobody found it yet. And just recently Forrest speculated this summer it may be found.

        I don’t think everybody with the key and the method gave up.

        • dejoka and Muset,

          Keep in mind that one or more could have discovered the “word that is key” in the three years since Forrest mentioned it. It’s just my opinion, but knowing what to do with that word might be as hard as finding it.


  31. “Tight focus with a word that is key” To me many are in “tight focus” with the word “blaze”. Is it not the main word that is key to unlocking the location of the treasure? Sure “wwwh” is the biggest, but it is only the beginning of the search.

    I believe one can find most of the route to the treasure, without the blaze it never will be found. It’s very well illustrated with the Book of Blazes on this website that there are different blazes. It is the end focus of the poem.

    Without that single thing “the blaze” no one can be fully prompted to put botg. The blaze also strongly focuses imagination, and questions as to what the blaze really is.

    Yes, we all focus on solving the poem, as I said, the most focus is put directly on the blaze it is “a word that is key” and the main key to unlocking the location of the treasure.

    I’ve also said in an earlier post above, “water” also brings focus, but it is not the main focus. Water is relevant in solving the poem, but the blaze is absolutely the word that is key.

    My rambling and IMO

    • I agree with almost everything you said except “blaze” being,” a word that is key”. You’ve even stated in your line the word ‘that” is key, not blaze. Wouldn’t it read, “a word blaze is key”?
      But, the importance of the blaze I agree.
      Two things though,
      “the blaze is absolutely the word that is key”.

      “Without that single thing “the blaze” no one can be fully prompted to put botg.”,

      The blaze seems to be one of those, BotG clues. Meaning that it can’t be solved, just do not have enough info to do that. In that case, with f saying you will go in confidence, then someone can put BotG, not know the blaze, and still find the chest. F could walk right to the chest, he doesn’t care about the blaze, just the spot. If you have a correct solve, then that would hold true for you also.
      Like most of the clues, it’s just a reference point to let you know you’re on the right path to the right spot. IMO, of course.

      • charlie,

        I agree that one can’t find the blaze until botg, but on the other hand it could be found using GE. I’m not persuaded either way.

        Thanks for your input.

  32. IMO You can find the blaze from home using GE or any other mapping system, you just have to know what you’re looking for. The blaze is the easy part,it’s what it points to that people are missing.

    • You are probably right. I did find several blazes that way with one having a lot of the other clues line up, and I’m still clueless as to what any of them might point to (and it would resolve some issues with non-poem hints if the treasure were not actually at the blaze). Never did get through the marvel gaze [ga(i)ze(r)?; What m@$^#! gaze if it doesn’t just mean “don’t gawk the blaze”?!!; was as good as i got].

      Hope your plans for this summer are still on, though I wish you would just take the whole thing and announce the solution if you found it. If you are leaving some though, don’t forget to add a weather-proofed “Birdie wuz here” note to replace what you took.

      -neither green nor blue

  33. I decided to take a break from Chasing today and hope you guys enjoy this because I had a lot of FUN writing it.


    Since the beginning of this thing for me I’ve been trying hard to understand what Mr. F has been telling us in his poem, his books, his scrapbooks, and his interviews. Misspelled words, punctuation in weird places (like I’m an expert right?), switching things around, strange ways of saying things and the like.

    I was confused by his “speak” and at times I questioned if those things called New Ron’s (maybe they’re related my old childhood friend “Old” Ron) were the source of my problem. That’s because as one ages, those New Ron’s stop firing or something, right along with something else for us guys I hear.

    Any way, this started me thinking about, of all things, communication skills; languages to be more “precise” as “the man” likes to say. I’ve been orbiting the blaze (Sun) for a while now, experiencing many languages and associated cultures, so I thought to myself, maybe there’s one of them there language schools out there that can teach me how to understand what Mr. F is talking about.

    Well heck, I looked everywhere and found stuff on Spanglish, redneckglish, Jerseyglish, Mainglish (why does Maine have an E anyway? Seems unnecessary and a waste of a perfectly good E to me), and even Alohaglish. Do you know what “da kine” means? It’s like “ya know”….I think. I worked with a guy at Pearl Harbor and “da kine” was like every other word and brutal to a “haole”……a non-indigenous person now living/visiting there……like me.

    Dang, even my wife, a Filipina has some of her own PhilEnglish words. Like when we first got married she was telling me one afternoon cooking dinner that she didn’t have all the ‘engregents”. I said what? She said “engregents”. That’s when my “high-powered” 10 watt INCANDESCENT bulb flipped on and I said “oh, you mean in-gre-di-ents?”. O-O (oh-oh) was the reply. That means “yes” in her tongue.

    And let’s not forget about good old English where frank is a proper name, a hot dog, and a blunt verbal instrument. Or (oar) then there’s to, two, and too, but let’s not their cousin tutu. How my wife learned English, fluent English at that and no accent is beyond me.

    Now, 43 years later after marriage and experiencing Tagalog, Hawaiian Pidgin, German, DEEP south, and Italian, I run into yet another new language, completely and utterly unique to the Grand Key Master himself. What am I going to do? I don’t speak whatever language it is. So I thought, why don’t you find a tool to help you learn and speak that foreign tongue?

    Of course I checked out Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc, but no luck. He mentioned “no notes to be found” or something like that, so I thought, this is kind of like college right? Cliff Notes! Yeah, that’s got to be it. Nope. Heck, I even went to Rosetta Stone because after all, they are the best language platform around, right? No dice. Snake eyes. I’d probably have better luck in Las Vegas since I say crap all the time.

    I start whining to the wife, “I’m never going to understand what he’s is saying; the language is just too hard”. I had better luck learning I-talian, as dad used to say. Her unsympathetic response was “would you like some cheese with that whine”? How would that make you feel after working so hard for months on end?

    I was in deep despair and then just a week or so ago I was at a flea market and a small book caught my eye, hidden under a short stack of old books, like pancakes, and was titled FennGlish, written by Darby O’Gill of all people! There just has to be some kind of gold in there, right?

    It was only $10 and in good shape but I got it for $5 and as soon as I got home opened it up to see if it could help me. Progress was slow at first, stumbling with pronunciations, weird, almost alien math skills, geography, a lot of history, and moving back-and-forth because Darby likes to do a lot of cross-referencing. And just like elementary school, the book even has a few tests along the way so you can measure progress and proficiency.

    As usual, I was slow at first (thick or dense may actually be more accurate), then that there light bulb started really firing those New Ron’s and before I knew that bulb was at 100 Watts and the room got a little brighter. And then one day it it happened! Darby had me do an exercise. It was difficult to perform at first, and then got easier the more I tried. And suddenly it clicked! I was making New Ron’s faster than his F-100 spits bullets. I tell you, it was remarkable for my wife to see the change in my demeanor and attitude. Not lightning level brightness for sure, but getting there.

    FennGlish was getting easier and easier to read and understand by the day and with my hustle and perseverance came a nice gift this past week. A gift so nice that I wouldn’t trade or exchange it for anything except it’s equal, that being the chest of course.

    I can’t say I’m fluent in FennGlish yet, but hope to graduate to the level soon. Nevertheless, I’m hot on the trail and the scent of gold is in the air.

    Oh, speaking of scent I almost forgot. Darby also included a few very good dessert recipes in his book that my wife baked that I think Forrest will like. For added flavor and appearance, she decided one day to smear a dab of melted butter over the top and add a single small peanut she found squirreled for decoration. She thought that adds a cute little touch and I agree.

    So with these new found language skills and after hopefully graduating from Darby’s School of FennGlish, I hope to greatly improve my skills and do better in the future. There’s still a lot to learn and I need to get back to studying, so please take care folks.

    One last thing. Don’t go digging up the Blarney Stone. It’s not in the RMs and will probably get you arrested if you try. But I think you can kiss it if you’re so inclined.

    Happy trails and be seeing ya’ll. Or is that yawl?


    • Pinatubocharlie! You have such a way with words, what a wicked good story. You were lucky to find such a helpful book. It’s funny how words can be twisted, right? As a kid I was always afraid of cobwebs because I was sure a cob must bite. Wednesday was always Prince Day, or spaghetti day because of that brand, Friday was fish day, Saturday was always beans and franks. But if you’re not from back east how would anyone else know that?
      I’m very superstitious and believe in that Blarney Stone, you bet I’d kiss it! I never put shoes on a table, either.

      • Thank you much Jeannie. I have my moments, and I’m glad you like fiction. Unfortunately those moments are rare. Just ask my wife!

        My daughter was born in Savannah, GA and driving home one day from work we saw a traffic sign that said something like “zipper effect” and we looked at each and said whaaaat? It even had a symbol that looked like a zipper!

        I soon found out it wa there way of saying get ready to merge. “Mash” the peddal is fun too. I like so miss the sweet tea, fried okra, and especially the fresh shrimp as we lived only a mile from the shrimping fleet on Tybee Island.

        And just so Dal doesn’t get mad at me, when I worked there I had projects at HUNTER AAF, just outside of town. 🙂


        • What do you mean “fiction”? I want there to be a book written by Darby O’Gill. I want that secret recipe with butter and a nut!

          • hello Jeannie – im fixing to get out of the chase and want to share some of my findings with you if you care to listen to them because of health I wont be able to go looking so I quit here is my email

          • frank,

            I sure hope it wasn’t something I said. I agree with the others. It’s very sad to see you go. In fact, I don’t like it when anyone leaves though circumstances far too often dictate the path we take.

            Sincerely, please take care …… pinatubocharlie

          • Frank;

            Sorry to see you go. I have enjoyed your posts. I hope your health issues get better soon – Good luck in where ever life leads you – JDA

          • I’m pretty sure any book written by Darby or the “little people” would be useful. That reminds me I need to check on my leprechaun friends!

  34. All New Rons age too fast and soon they are the same Ole Rons.
    Followed by old, old Rons, and then really OLD RONS.

    TTOTC might be FennGlish for having to relieve yourself bravely in the wood = tee-tee oh tee see. What “a little imagination” can unleash.

    Katie bar the door!

  35. There’s sure a lot of old and new Ron talk going on here, do we really need more-Ron talk? I’m pretty sure the “word that is key” isn’t Ron. 🙂


  36. thank you JDA its been fun I guess you could say we grew up to gather on this blog 5 years is a long time – I have injoyed you seeker and the rest of the searchers that came and went you hang in there and find the treasure for the rest of us its been nice —— frank

    • Frank and ALL,

      Speaking of “Seeker,” have not seen one of his posts since maybe early January. I know that he battles health issues and wishes that he was BOTG. Anybody know???

  37. lol Pinatubocharlie – no its not something you said its just time to call it quits I have gone as far as I can with the poem – and because of my COPD lunge problems I cant travel to high elevations to go look so that is takeing some of the fun out of the chase – but I had fun with it for 5 years im happy with it – now you go and have fun and see if you can find it – wish you luck — frank

    • I’m so sorry to hear that frank. I can’t imagine what you go thru everyday with such a condition.

      Again, please take care and check in from time to time if for nothing else except to say hi to everyone.


  38. I have a hunch that the key word is “treasure” it’s derived from the Latin word “thesaurus” where you would find words in bold print. So when the poem says “I can keep my secret where” it’s referring to “treasures bold” the multiple meanings of words as well as their etymology. Which i think is alluded to by “Hint of riches new and old” I think the trick is to think of the clues in as many ways as possible and see if you can attach them so a single idea.

  39. I am just going to throw this out there. Maybe it is something that you can add to your list of words that could be KEY:

    A key is a note that a musical arrangement is based on.Also known as a Key Signature. A song played in the ‘key of C major’ revolves around the seven notes of the C major scale – C, D, E, F, G, A, and B. That means the fundamental notes making up the song’s melody, chords, and bassline are all derived from that group of notes.
    So what word in the poem sounds like a key on this scale? “CEASE”
    Oooookay….now what do we do with that? Look for a place that starts with a C? Like Cabresto or Cimarron? Look for words with letters in the scale? The poem says “to cease”. Is that 2 Cs?
    Add it to your list and use your imagination.

    • In Piano class students learn the SCALE notes using
      ‘Every good boy does fine.” These are the line notes EGBDF
      The spaces notes on the scale are “FACE”

      Masonic symbol is a key and a scale… and both are symbols of US Treasury seal

      • “Masonic symbol is a key and a scale… and both are symbols of US Treasury seal”

        I had to look it up. Yes, the Key and Scale are on the seal of the TREASURY Department. It is almost too perfect.
        With that information it takes a very small leap to think that “treasures” is the word that is Key. It has 9 letters.
        Will it reveal the 9 clues?

        • Money has a key on it
          FF mentions money a lot.
          He plans to park his car in Denver (USA mint is in Denver)
          First USA govt produced bills all had Salmon Portland Chase on them
          Current $10,000 has Chase’s portrait
          Page 83 photo of OUAW book has the name of Salmon Portland Chase (Lincoln’s secretary of Treasurer) and it is underlined with red.

          Incidental info:
          Money has key on it
          Money is both treasures and riches
          Money has 13 stars on it
          Forrest’s map has 13 on it (‘bold’ can mean capitalize. Capital. Capitol of MT is near 13 on Fenn’s map)
          Capital B in traditional treasure symbolism is a 13

          But what any of this ‘SP Chase’ or money info means in order to find the tc is a mystery to many.

          But treasures with 9 letters is certainly considerability worthy.

    • Eleven words in the poem contain the letter C:
      Secret, Riches, Canyon, Place, Creek, Quickly, CEASE, Scant, Chest, Peace, Cold.
      Outside of the poem is in the title, Chase.
      Does that tell a story? Or tell where to go?
      Without WWWH, not so much.

  40. there is just one word that puts things in perspective when you relize it its a hard one to come up with but then again arnt they all

    • I think there are several words, any of which could be “key”, depending on
      definition/interpretation. My list of these words contains about five words,
      and I am considering posting the list (but not before about mid-summer 2018).
      The above is my opinion.

    • Rick;

      To the best of my knowledge, here is the only quote where Forrest mentions the “word that is key”.

      1Q) My previous 6 questions were asked shortly before last year’s February 27th segment of the Today Show. Reporting on your extraordinary treasure hunt, it resulted in an explosion of new seekers from all across the world. What are some of your thoughts about the flurry of activity over the past year? Did the excitement towards the Chase surprise you in any way? Does it make you think the chest might be found earlier than first thought?
      “It is interesting to know that a great number of people are out there searching. Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key. The treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated.” f JDA

      • Hi JDA,

        that is also the only one that I was aware of. Seems to me alot of folks are looking for a key word in the poem only.


        • Rick;

          For me, the Word that is Key is not in the poem. I am pretty sure that it is not in TTOTC, but know that it is in TFTW.

          Don’t want to point it out, but it is there if one looks – JDA

          • How? How could that be? How is the word that some are in tight focus of, be a key of some sorta importance, not be in print in the only thing we had from the start; book with a poem on one page of that book?

            Maybe it’s just me and I don’t understand what ‘get back in the box’ means.

          • Seeker –

            I think they must be referring to a magic word!
            A word that isn’t in the poem but yet is the Key to the whole thing AND we magically become aware of it!


          • Every word in the poem has been keyed (analyzed) to death and we still are no closer to solving anything.

            A key can be like a hint and Mr F has said the hints are in the book.

          • Hi Rick;

            A hint won’t open a lock, but a key will.
            A Word that is Key, can unlock the poem’s secrets, but a hint will only help you understand or get closer to a clue. JMHO – JDA

          • Did Mr F say the key would unlock the poem ?

            From what I read He says it is a word that is key…key to what…A clue? Or the Poem?

          • JDA,
            From reading your other comments, you believe the word that is key is also in the 6th stanza.
            I do believe the word that is key is in the poem.

          • Chance;

            You are wrong. Possibly in the past I felt that the word that was key was within the poem, and maybe even in stanza #6. That is NOT my current belief.

            My “Word that is Key” IS NOT one of the 266 words in the poem. I believe that, over one year ago I felt that the word that was key was associated with a very obscure definition of “the wood”. This obscure definition is invaluable, but the “Word that is Key” (to me at least) is even more important and valuable – JDA

          • Chance;

            As I said, at one time I said that it could be in stanza #6 – That was December 3, 2016 – a LONG time ago. One can change their mind. I have changed mine. If you MUST be right – You ARE right, on Dec 3, 2016 I stated that I thought that the word that was key was found in Stanza #6. I NO LONGER believe that – period – Have a Great day – JDA

          • Chance;

            I have one open bet – if it is of any business of yours.- It is an open ended bet. One other bet was with Jake Fauker, and we mutually agreed to cancel that bet – again, if it is any business of yours.

            Do you have a peeve with me? If so – email me at SculptorJDA at aol dot com and I will be happy to discuss whatever it is in private – hope to hear from you – JDA

          • I was just stating facts JDA, No reason to get upset.
            I know you want to end this just like most here and you are a colorful character that shares your outer thin skin.

            If the word that is key is in TFTW and not in the poem then why the Q & A?

        • Been awhile Rick, here’s another:
          Forrest Fenn on February 18, 2016 at 2:02 pm said:
          Spoon, “If person had the correct GPS coordinates they could find the chest.” Physics says this has to be true. How can it not be? The key word here is “correct.”
          It is f saying the comment/answer and that is who/what he is referring to. Forrest Fenn is the key. In the book, ‘A little of me is also in the box”, refers to the key.
          The word that is key is different but backs up the key. To consider any words, the only words you can consider from this statement is the word “that” or the word “key”. Everything else is just a guess. And yes, the word “that” is in the poem. It is the 113th word. “That” is a word “that” is key.
          To consider words not in the poem is just wrong, sorry JDA. It would have to be there in the beginning, I agree with Seeker…

        • A lot of folks don’t know what “halt” means, and are too proud
          to look it up.

          I don’t think that FF has ever said that the “word that is key” is
          in the poem. But I believe that the “word that is key” can be
          heard if one reads TTOTC out loud. “Listen good.”

          The above is part of my opinion. Yours may differ.

  41. Imaginação,

    Ver com o olhar de uma criança.

    Até agora eu vi aqui apenas análizes lógicas e teorias.


    Coisa que Brasileiros têm sobrando…

    Imagine: onde água quente fica parando e voltando??


        • No specialized knowledge is required…My TTOTC book is enough to lead an average person to the treasure. (MW Questions with Forrest 6/27/2014)

          “People will be surprised when they find out where it is.”

          Don’t let logic distract you from the poem. (2-12-2016)

          “Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world. Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.”
          -Albert Einstein – ff

      • Why:
        “Begin “IT” where WWH”?

        And not:
        “Begin where “THE” WWH”?

        So I think WWWH is not literal water.

        I think FF refers to a place that “represents” WWH.

        And so far “it seems” no one has presented a correct solution on WWWH.

        As he said: Some were in the first clues but did not know.

        And others “seem” to have identified but did not identify the other clues.

        I think that’s why he talked about using “imagination”.

        • McB;

          Possibly it was important to Forrest to have an alliteration – three words starting with “W”. Possibly it was as simple as a rhyming scheme – putting “THE” in between where and warm waters halt destroys the meter of the poem.

          Putting “THE” in between where and warm does nothing regarding whether the water is literal or not. Possibly in Portuguese it makes a difference, but to me,(as an English speaker) adding THE makes no difference – maybe an English teacher can chime in and correct me if I am wrong – JMO – JDA

          P.S. It is OK if I disagree with you, that is what the blog is for, and I am NOT making a moral judgement. JDA

          • Also – You (McB) keep saying WATER (singular) In the poem, Forrest uses a plural form waterS – Something to keep in mind – JMO – JDA

    • emmett;

      The hare may have a wild hair, but it will lead you down a rabbit hole none the less. Think about it – JDA

    • I get what you’re imply, Emmett.
      Bare-bear beach-beech..Yet, we have fenn saying the poem is in plain English, right?
      The problem that arises is, all about [ a deliberate ] incorrect spelling of the intended word. That is not the same as misspelling knowldge to draw attention to the word knowledge, or bending a word, for use of meanings and/or synonyms with the same meanings. Example; Admire vs. high regards or respect.

      How could a word be usable in plain English if it doesn’t have the correct context to what is in the poem?
      I mean, you can’t talk about a bear the animal vs. talking about bare the animal… not only is it spelled wrong… the context is lost.

      But I get it ~ Two and Too or To… many would like to use these as numbers. And some force far to be four.

    • emmett1010, please remember that we are not supposed to make claims here
      of anything being factual, without also informing our audience that the claims
      are part of the poster’s opinion.

      The above is part of my opinion.

        • TLo, it looks like I missed seeing that. Thanks for pointing it

          My apologies, emmett1010. It looks like you do indeed
          remember, and don’t need reminding by me.

          The above is my opinion.

  42. another quickie- everyone loves to quote “there are a few words in the poem……Phil”. but few searchers seem to pay attention to “you oversimplify the clues”

    Only today, after 5 years, did I realize what the word worth is saying. You have to redefine worth, and then reinterpret it correctly to apply it in the poem.

    Whats scares me is not what I know, but the hints that I’m still missing. Trove is a good example. I sure hope its just to identify the treasure trove(legally or whatever), because I cant come up with an alternate reason to use that word,

    • Very interesting to see you all talking about a word that is key. Besides the things you have mentioned, another word is “title”. There is trove, treasures, trove and title. But the most compelling phrase is “title to the gold”. So, we all wonder exactly what that means right?

      Does the finder only get title to the gold? What about the remaining things which are not gold? Maybe “title” is more significant than we realize?


      • I don’t (wonder about it).

        Please make a big eFFort to relax; if you’re not interested in protecting your own health via relaxation, maybe you could at least protect the health of your legacy.

        Your family and friends might conceivably have some concern about
        this. All IMO.

  43. I don’t remember ever seeing anything in writing from FF using the phrase “the key word”.
    I do remember seeing something in writing from him using the phrase “a word that is key”.
    There’s a big difference in meaning.

    Anyway, I think that (in the context of all this) “a word that is key” is qualified by one of the

    It has exactly one syllable, or exactly two syllables, or exactly four syllables.

    If it has one syllable, the word contains the letter “e”.

    If it has two syllables, the word contains the letter “a”.

    If it has four syllables, the word contains the letter “a”.

    I realize that the above is not much help, but I believe that it’s all true. IMO.

    • Hi Tighterfocus — I wasn’t going to respond, initially, because I didn’t want to give too much away. But I found a way to do so that avoids giving away the farm. IMO, at least 3 of your 4 statements are false. 😉

  44. If one is to “Put in below the home of Brown”, and if a few are “in tight focus with a word that is key”, does one put an N under the O of Brown?

    The word “home” has a meaning of “a focal point”. “Home” is on my keyboard, so it’s a word that is a key.

    Would that make the focal point of Brown the letter O?

  45. If the poem is a map, would the key word be “legend”, for what is the key to a map but the legend which explains the symbols used?


    • It is a sound theory Horace but it seems more is needed. Dictionary dot come sends you to a map key link if you look up map legend. The description of a map key is explanatory table of symbols used on a map or chart.

      If one could create a key using symbols derived from meanings in the poem then it would be a way of creating a map with the poem with this line of thinking.

      • Aaron,
        Perhaps Forrest is using the several definitions of the word legend to create more ambiguity. Yes, a legend can be the explanatory table of symbols used on a map. It can be a myth or tale, an inspirational person , or an inscription on a coin or stone. (The gravestone bore the legend, “Requiescat in Pace”. -Merriam Webster)

        Or, as one blogger said, “When I look quickly down , I see two feet.” What are feet but leg ends. And that is really atrocious.


      • Aaron,

        Does another line in the poem suggest that the key word might be legend, meaning a tale or myth? “If you are brave and in the wood I give you title…” If you are brave, you are not spineless; you have a spine. In the wood-in boards? “Boards” is a printing term meaning the covers, front and rear, of a hardbound book. “In boards” is an obsolete style of binding but that might constitute specialized knowledge. And title means…well, title. Spine, covers, title-is Forrest referencing a book?


        • I don’t believe that to be the case but i will say this. If the key word you have found leads you a great idea then I would go with it. We know the clues could refer to locations on a map so legend doesn’t seem like that big of a hint IMO. I could be wrong though.

          • In the past something important may have happened at the hiding place.

            Hints… new and “old”.

            ; )

    • Perhaps “legend”. Also consider its synonym “inset” … which crosses over with the words “put in”.

  46. Horace. You may very well have something there. There are a lot of pics in the books where one or more leg ends are missing or displaced. Or illustrated by themselves.

  47. The Key word is IMAGINATION. Trust me this is the Key word.. I will not explain how I know this. I will not explain how I have came to this conclusion other than Mr Fenn has most definitely pointed us to this word. Use this word in every aspect that you can with the poem and with the TOTC book. And it will lead you to what I already know.

    Trust me..

    “Kettle Corn”

  48. Ok? I won’t try to impress this upon anyone but when this is said and done you will see what I mean. Imagination will literally and I mean quiet literally take you to The Chest. It is in every part, part of every one of the 9 clues.
    Important literature!

    With this said I will say no more. Saying more is just too much to say. I will not sink my own ship. But trust me.

    oh ya. Remeber “KETTLE CORN”

    • You haven’t said much of anything… many think the word that is key is imagination. Only they give examples or explanation for a thought process. Yet, you have three back to back postings telling us what?

      Seeker’s fortune cookie for the day’ A cow is not a bull, it’s an udder

      • I like “down” because of “emargination”, and “down” is a key on the keyboard. It also led me to research the 42 gods of Ma’at, each who are depicted wearing a feather.

    • Travis B,

      Have you been botg this year? If so did you eat a bunch of Kettle Corn when you returned? It might be that Kettle Corn isn’t helping :-! Just fun’in 🙂

      • Seeker: I have given you one of the biggest clues that can be given use your imagination with the word imagination. I will keep what I know to myself and hope you can figure it out.

        By the way Seeker, I will take back something I said to you once, I said that a numbers solve is a waste of time. Your number system really wasn’t that far off but yet just a bit off.

        Charlie: yes sir I have had my boots on the ground this year. I have made 3 trips to my search area. 1st 2 times returned because of conditions. 3rd time returned cause conditions to severe. My next trip will be much more profitable.

        And no I don’t eat “Kettle Corn” any longer. I love my stuff I have customers who have been so mad because I take a weekend off to go hunt. I have a huge following for my corn. Lol

        • Travis,
          Fenn told us this would be done more with imagination than anything else…
          My point is, what type imagination are you talking about in regards to the poem, clues, botg observation, planning?

          On thought is that “time’ or Time Lines might be involved.
          Example only; WWWH being the glacial period. Or The right map is a map of the constellations aligned with the search area, Revisiting the past as seen through history of the Native Americans.. etc etc. Where and when should imagination kick into high gear?

          All we got from you was Donkey Kong. Are we dodging barrels? On a rescue mission to save “she” [ the princess ]?
          A little elaboration to your comment might be helpful then just repeating what we have been told from the start. That’s all I’m asking…

          • Imagination of a child …?

            Just go in Santa Fe and ask a child, who has adventurous parents, to tell you where the chest is?

            What if…?

          • travis…imagination id definitely needed in the search.
            I do not believe that id the *word* fenn was alluding to though. Maybe after you search again you would be kind enough to dumb it down for us and explain what you really mean.

  49. I have always thought that the “word that is key” must be in the poem. If not, imagination is a possibility Travis. Or tenacity. Or the word that is key may even be two words..


  50. To me, the word that is Key makes sense from the perspective of FF as an architect.

    Instead of tossing around ideas on which word it is, I think it would be more helpful to talk about how to use it, as one uses a key on a map.

    My understanding is that the letters in the word that is key will also be in the correct WWWH, though I have to believe that there is more use for it than that.


    • I cannot remember the last time that I posted here. But Mr. Belmont’s post is quite elegant and well considered, in my view.

      A key unlocks. “Unlock the clues…” as in TToTC.

      A key is essential; it unlocks what remains beyond and allows it to unfold. Talk about “how to use it.”

      It comes first, as the unlocking with the key to the door of a house allows everything inside the house to unfold. No key, no entry.

      No contiguous process…

      “It is an architectural plan.”

      A map. “…because it is.”

      And a word that is key is therefore associated with the Begin it, with wwwh, in my view. To unlock the solution. And it appears again at The end, in order to confirm the origins of the beginning.

      And “tight focus” was carefully selected, as was “caret”.


      • Hi Halogetter,

        Can you expand on what you like about “caret”?
        – misspelling of carat?
        – relationship to hats?
        – 5E?
        – carrots?

        • The shape of the literary character or grapheme, the caret (or Chinese Hat, if you prefer) can be considered a graphic representation of tight focus.
          An inverted V (^). Very simple.
          And it can be oriented like .

          There is a narrowing to a point, like the focused light of a magnifying glass, or the focusing of the eyes or mind.

          The shape of the caret I feel is important as it relates to tight focus. And…
          the shape is prominently shown in TToTC, and I believe is found in the landscape near the location of the treasure chest.

          And this relates as well to thought process and imagination- from general ideas becoming more tightly focused on what’s important or essential, as in the phrase that Forrest composed:

          “…in tight focus with a word that is key.”
          Something small or precise, not expansive.
          Being key, or essential, it comes at the beginning.

          You need to be very open-minded in your approach to the solutions of the clues, but at some point I believe that you need to narrow it, to narrow your focus on what you believe to be true. Otherwise you will end up in an ever-expanding encyclopedic morass, a marshy fen, or something like that.

          I’m not concerned with carats or carrots.

          I don’t have anything to expound upon about hats, although Forrest’s hat in the SB and his Dad’s hat with the flies, and some other hatty stuff, have gotten lots of press…

          I’m curious as to why you mentioned 5E.


          • Thanks Hologetter, The 5E was just something Wiki mentioned about the hex representation of the character, no significance for me at this time.

            This is great ” can be considered a graphic representation of tight focus.” I didn’t know that. I did see one typo were Forrest used caret for carat.

            I’m still struggling with “tight focus” and the key word. I see Forrest using “tight focus”, “resolve”, and “aberrations” and I think optics but I need to keep a more open mind.

            Thanks for sharing about caret

  51. For me, the key word is “it”. Whatever “it” is….. you can begin “it” and take “it”. So far, I’m equating “it” to “the search”…. begin the search and take the search. I’m so confused at this point. Studying for 5 days straight online. This hunt has given me something exciting to think about. Thanks Forrest!

    • Indeed, Veronica. That was the first one of those I considered that made real sense to me, and it still does.

      It’s what he tells us he did in the very first line, and what he suggests we do several times in the following stanzas. Go in there (as opposed to “walk on by” there) still ties my map together and colors how I walk it. Small destination, tight focus.


      • Which reminds me, the Knights who say “nih” (nigh?). The word they cannot say? Brave and in the wood? Cut down a tree with a fish? Wouldn’t that be something…if only there was a shrubbery in the poem.

    • Only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.

      Nigh, near, left, etc, IDK…I’d say many are in focus if I had to guess.

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