The Blaze…


This is the place to discuss the the blaze. What do you think it is? Is it temporary or permanent? Will it be around for a thousand years or doesn’t it matter? Is it easy to spot or difficult? Does the poem tell us what the blaze looks like or what it is?

Nick Lazaredes of SBS-TV’s Dateline in Australia interviewed Forrest in the spring of 2014. Here is Forrest explaining the BLAZE.

266 thoughts on “The Blaze…

    • Hello Margie. I’m a little confused. An interview you did with Mr. Fenn on January 1, 2014, shows the following:

      “What serious adventurers should remember,” Fenn says, “is to not believe anything that is not in my poem or otherwise in my book. There’s some misinformation out there. For instance, I never said I buried the chest, I said only that I hid it. That is not to say it is not buried, so maybe we need to define
      the terms. Does ‘hidden’ mean in plain sight? What is the difference between ‘buried,’ ‘entombed’ and ‘sepultured’? What does the word ‘blaze’ in the poem mean? A horse can have a blaze on its forehead, a blaze can be scraped on a tree to mark one’s way, a blaze can mean a flame or a scar on a rock. And what about ‘water high’? Does it mean deep, or higher than normal?”

      • pdenver…that is one of my favorites. Fenn actually seems to be offering some insight on how to look at his wording in the poem. While I do not believe what he is saying is revealing…he is talking about at least three aspects of the poem beyond the first two clues. Great share.

      • Can “water high” be a geyser? Can a geyser(s) be a (group) blaze(s)? Never have i used a geyser as a blaze nor water high, maybe i should.

    • its highly unlikely that a tree would be around for over 100 years. one must take account of the clues withstanding the test of time. so the blaze can be a marking, but most likely not on a tree. trees fall and rot, can be a grove of trees but imo im leaning towards other options

    • Hi Margie — Forrest actually has given a blaze on a tree as an example. He wrote it in reply to Scout Around (i.e. Diggin Gypsy) mentioning that it was one of the many things searchers have proposed:

      Mysterious Writings Q&A (5/28/2014):

      “I have received a few hundred emails from searchers who are sure they know what the blaze is. Ideas range from a mark on a tree, a rock, a sign, a fire, the side of a bluff, a waterfall, a spot on the head of a horse, a rainbow, and even a live owl that flew away when it was approached.”

      • Hi Tracy: searchers who think the blaze is a rainbow probably latched onto that because of the sentence leading into the poem in TTOTC.

        • Hi Aaron: true, but then again the list of things that don’t face north, south, east or west is infinitely longer than the list of those that do.

          • That is a true statement. It doesn’t exclude a rainbow, or I suppose a rock, or a number of other things. I do think a rainbow is an excellent example of a blaze. Maybe not the blaze we are looking for but a good example of one.

        • Roy G Biv = Brown. Home of Brown?
          red,orange,yellow,blue, etc.. Mix all the paint colors together and you’ll have brown. FF is the Leprechaun. If your nice to the leprechaun he will give you clues to where his treasure is at the end of the rainbow. Just thinking like child’s play. I found the sock with a hole in it and the leprechaun near Hebgen Lake. Which sounds like He(FF)bgen(begin). Took FF to complete the poem 15 yrs. FF had a lot of time to think it through. My two sense.

  1. I believe that the blaze is of a natural feature, such as a rock face or a Clif. I don’t believe the blaze is a mark on a … That wouldn’t last 100 or a 1000 years.

    • I have thought, from very early on, that to be wise, you must know what you are looking for before you are BOTG. Otherwise, you would be lucky (not wise) if you found the blaze while BOTG. I think the identity of the blaze is hidden within the poem. JMO.

      • I agree it must be coded in some way in the poem as all the other clues appear to be directional instructions. However how it can be deciphered is the hardest part as Forrest has said that knowing about codes, riddles and a list of other hidden meaning tools will not help you!

        • I’m familiar with his comments on codes and ciphers, but can you provide the quote about riddles and hidden meanings?

    • Joel;

      Where did the saying, “Wise like an owl” come from? An Owl always chooses the highest perch from which to view its potential prey. Could this be a hint, that we need to look down on the blaze – like an owl would? I think that it is worth a bit of thought anyway. Just an old buzzards point of view – JDA

      • Wise like a leprechaun. Tap..tap..tap at his shoe making to sell his shoes for exchange for golden coins. Tap…Tap…the sound of water dripping?
        Child play. Keeping it simple.

        • Also, something else to share. The Omega is the leprechaun symbol. Horseshoes. If you want to look at it mathematically one Omega = 800. Two Omega x 2 = 1600. FF and family traveled every summer 1600 miles from TX to W Yellowstone.

          I have other great ideas but I should stop sharing because it too me a while to think this way and want my efforts rewarded on my search. Good luck everyone! And the Uncle Tom’s Trail is closed until completed 2018. I know some have been searching here. Seems every time I come up with an idea someone else beat me to that thought.

          • IMO
            Don’t let the fact that others have been there stop you from trying your search area. I know of a few searchers that have been in my area & found nothing but they didn’t know what to look for. They all walked right by indulgence.

    • Joel – I agree, the blaze is something not typically expected.

      JBL – I agree, the blaze can be pre-determined from the poem.

      JDA – Yes, I think the blaze can be best identified from above. Also, I think it can be seen on satellite images.

        • I don’t think Forrest ever said the last clue couldn’t be seen from GE. But I do remember him saying something along the lines of this: GE willl not help with the last clue…or something closely resembling that, to the best of my memory.

          • “If you’ve been brave & in the wood” is the last clue IMO. It’s a very important clue. There are 2 more stanzas that folks seem to dismiss after “Just take the chest and go in peace.” With everything we know about Mr.Fenn, do you really think he would put two stanzas in with useless information? Again JMO

        • JD. Think big. It could be that searchers miss the blaze because they are not expecting something that is very large. The mind recognizes what it is expecting.

          • IMO nobody has missed the blaze because they have not solved enough clues to do so yet.

    • Charlie M, Forrest stated that the treasure is not associated with any structure. To my uncertain knowledge, he did not say this about the blaze also…just the treasure chest.

      • Boaz;

        There has been recent conversation here on the Blog, where Cynthia said that Forrest had told her that no structure was associated with hoB – plus what he had said about no structure being associated with the treasure, leads one to believe that no structure is associated with ANY of the clues. Just my interpretation of what has been recently said here on the blog. You may not agree – JDA

      • I’m with you, Boaz. To assume more than what F says could be a huge mistake. Better to err on the side of not excluding enough than exclude too many places and possibly miss the chest. Unlock the poem and see where it leads. JMO

  2. Hoping to see the blaze this summer 🙂 as for the recent comments about the blaze possibly being mikes away I think it is close based on FF’s comments.

  3. If you are WISE
    This is telling the searcher that if the clues have been followed
    And understood, then you will know what the BLAZE is before
    You put BOTG . Imo

    • Star = wise men = if you’ve been wise
      And found blaze…

      Now Look for ‘star’ in book = Dancing with the ‘stars’
      ‘Dancing with the stars’ anagram = chest at handwritings
      Just my additional thoughts.
      But there are further layers concerning the above. Distill it and link it. It’s not what you might think. Not just ‘handwritings’ perhaps, in other words.

      • Another option
        Caves in France have very early homo sapien art which can still be seen. As well as bear bones and skulls which they killed.

        Protected areas of stone (especially marble etc.) last thousands of years. However Rocky Mountains move. As do rivers and streams.

        Apparently Fenn may have said the chest would be harder to find in 3000+ years. If so then it’s likely not in a steep rapid erosion place.

        On Jenny Kile site he said, “I think the gold will again become alert to the tromp and vibrations of hiking boots.”
        So maybe look near a hiking trail which won’t erode much in next 3000 years?

        • Could be a drawing but drawing likely could also maybe be a bridge which he mentions over and over and refers back to Gilbert Gaul drawing maybe?
          (But could be other layers also. I think all of us have many options for each clue, right? .)

          • I don’t think a bridge is likely to be much
            of a help/clue/hint in any way. But of
            course you’ll probably drive over more
            than one bridge during your search
            trip. All IMO.

          • Hi Tighterfocus,
            What about this scenario
            First find wwwh
            Then take car & go 10ish miles south
            Then park and put in at river near BRIDGE
            Then float down river because this 9 miles has no roads near
            Next when nearin wwwh, begin looking for treasure chest (maybe only visible from this angle in other words,
            Then get out at take at take out
            Get a rise back to car and drive back to takeout.
            Then walk upstream to where you saw chest
            Put in car

            Possible maybe? There is a place for sure that fits this bill.

            Thanks for reply. You could be correct for sure. All options welcome. Helps everyone.

        • Copperhead, close.
          Since y’all have helped me along the way I will reciprocate. Its gabbro we are looking for. (IMO) Forrest gives us many examples of it.
          Been there, saw it. I now know why he said not to hunt in the winter.
          Good luck just don’t get to my spot before me!

          • I agree and Montana is the “treasure state” . So there’s that. But just guesses until someone figures it out ‘on scene’.

      • (Eeek. Sorry about double (triple!) post… forgot the ‘hint’ the first time and thought I caught it before the first one was posted.)

    • Yes. Like when following a trail. The blaze is repetitious. That is how you know you’re on the trail. If you are wise and have Identified the blaze then it will lead you…

  4. I agree with the blaze being different for each lap through the poem. I also believe one of these “blazes” is not seen, but instead “found” by use of another of our senses.

  5. I used to think the blaze was a trail marker, Then a man-made object, Then a geographical ground feature, Then a group of trees.
    Now I’m pretty sure it’s something else. The Chase has to be properly aged and seasoned to be fully cooked to perfection.

  6. In the previous page of “The Blaze” discussion someone said they thought Forrest was using the blaze to deceive or distract searchers and said there was a quote somewhere in this regards but that isn’t accurate.

    Altered Dimensions has some commentary where they say Forrest is hinting the Blaze could be a deception, because he told an interviewer the following; ““I was careful. A blaze can be on a tree, in a fire, on the face of a horse, a scar on a rock, and a host of other things.”

    The quote is accurate however the interpretation is NOT accurate. Obviously, Forrest’s actual statement only means he’s not going to say specifically what the “blaze” is but he is offering up some common things which can be referred to as a blaze, in English…

    I believe this is the reason there was confusion for the commenter previously.


    • Hi GCG: you missed Loco’s response before the page was closed. He posted the link to what was almost certainly the source of charlie’s theory about the blaze being intended to throw searchers off: Tony Dokoupil’s story in the Daily Beast. It is not a Forrest quote. It was Tony’s interpretation of something Forrest said.

      • I’m not letting any of Tony’s videos distract or divert
        me from my effort(s) in finding the TC. But good
        luck to him anyway. I hope he doesn’t “lose his

        Oh, I should say something about the hunt.
        If the blaze is expected to last up to 10,000 years,
        it’s not likely to depend on the durability of a tree or
        even a specific small group of trees.

        In fact, now that I think of the phrase “in the wood”,
        a small group of trees (“the wood”) probably is not
        a physical object that the poem would have the
        successful solver/searcher looking for during a
        BOTG hike. Good; I can eliminate this from the
        list of small places to carefully search.

        The above is IMO. Yours may differ.

        • tighterfocus,

          I agree with your thought about “in the wood” not being a physical object.

          The phrase “If you are brave and in the wood” to me means: You have been a good scout, like a Native American “BRAVE” and you have followed all the signs correctly. “.. in the wood” could simply mean “out there in the wilderness” or it could mean “in the treasure chest lined with wood”.

          All of this is only my opinion


          • The part about “in the treasure chest
            lined with wood” didn’t impress me
            much. I believe that any searcher who
            gets close enough to see and recognize
            the TC is (as far as FF is concerned)
            entitled to have it. At that time, he/she
            would not (yet) have reached into its
            wooden interior. All IMO.

    • You’re both wrong, I’m still looking. It was an interview, Forrest was standing on what looked like a stage. A lady was interviewing him. He mentioned the blaze was (I want to say “turning point”, but I don’t think he said that), intended to throw the searcher off. It is something unordinary.

      I’ve looked online before and found nothing, I think I wrote it down in some old notes. I have a lot of notes. I will post either way when I find out. Quit guessing, it doesn’t work, lol…

      • Before you guys twist that post around, let me say, DO NOT take the info as fact as of yet. Don’t even put it in the back of your mind. It does not belong on the short journey to get there. It’s not going to be a big revelation. I will post when I am satisfied that I either DO NOT have the info, or that I can produce actual quotes. Relax, still had a lot of notes prior to 2013-2014.

        On the flip side, it is pretty interesting to see where I was back then and see what the masses were thinking. A lot of the same conversations for sure.

      • Good luck, charlie. I don’t think you want to be on the “tail end” of the line of searchers in the “stampede”
        toward the blaze this spring or summer . . . IMO.

        • Lol, I thought my view was off. I have a good one, nobody going to find, I’m okay. I’m finding out that I’m terrible at organizing notes.

        • Tighterfocus–

          If you are planning on the “tail end” being the blaze, I believe you are wrong. That sir, faces due West. Sorry IMO


  7. Reading the above quote, how he transitions from “entombed” and “sepultured”directly to “blaze” makes me wonder if the blaze isn’t itself the “tomb” so to speak. This had not really occurred to me to think of it that way.

  8. My thoughts lately drift toward the Blaze being so obvious perhaps a searcher may walk right by it not realizing it’s significance. Just remembering the statement made about “the big picture.”

    • Yes. My thought is that the blaze blends into the surroundings and will not be recognized as the blaze unless you know exactly what to look for. I do believe the blaze can be determined from the poem alone.

  9. what if the Blaze is a light, a light you can see far off, but only if you stand in the right place will you to see it, like a rangers fire station, and being in the right place you shall look down and behold.

    • I was toying with the same general idea. i was thinking about how the position of the sun would strike a reflective surface and if there was any evidence in the poem that seemed to say you need to be in the right place at the right time to see it. I dont think its that complicated after thinking it over. I think the blaze or at least part of it could be a reflective object. you can polish bronze to a mirror finish. given his familiarity with bronze work I dont think it’s too much of a stretch to consider the blaze to be made of shiny bronze. just a thought

    • Dead on! This is what I believe. The timing and the right place. Looking in the correct direction, angle and so forth. Follow the poem in that order. None of it will make sense until stanza 2 is solved.

    • That’s possible, but the complication would be timing. The sun’s position in the sky is always moving throughout the day and year. So you’d have to likely go on the same day and time.

  10. I had an unusual dream a few days ago.

    I suspect many of us have dreams about Indulgence from time to time.
    There was a big beautiful blaze on the head of a horse. Now I know that this cannot be Forrest’s Blaze. However, the next thing I saw was a huge quartz outcropping that looked just like the blaze on the horse’s face.

    Who knows where dreams come from? 🙂

    • Hi SpecialKLR.

      “Who knows where dreams come from?”

      Dreams have been studied throughout history.

      In summary, a dream consists of three components – the past, the present and possibly, the future.

      Each component may be regetenced, but then again, only one component may be involved.

      What we see as an apple, could actually reflect a moment in time that actually was an orange. Or it could reflect a fruit of some sort in the future.

      As you can see, an interpretation requires analysis of the components and the subject matter and maybe even context of the dream.

      It is an interestungvsibject if you really want to learn about them.

      I would recommend the basics first and slowly expand your incestigation, just so you can better understand the meanings and connections.

      It can be quite a ride.

      Good luck.

      • My apologies for the typos above…I sent to soon.

        “Interesting subject”

        Again. My apologies.

      • Tim—

        Many dreams are schizophrenic in nature. Which makes me wonder whether schizophrenics think normally when they are dreaming?

      • HEY there Tim,

        Interesting you should post about actual dreams. In fact, I had one of those darke, weird ones the other day. I was in that movie Battleship, you know, the one about alien invaders just off the shores of Oahu. I really don’t remember much about the dream except the good news is they didn’t get me.

        Can someone out there please explain to me what triggers silly dreams like that? And why can’t I dream about important stuff, like say, that darn OMEGA, or the key word?

        Any way, thank you for the post.

        And this is for Lugnutz…….May the force be with you. |:-)


    • SpecialKLR… your dream is more correct than you know… at least in my solve it is… darned near perfect.

      a lot of what my solve is came from thoughts in the random night… and almost all have been confirmations and pieces to put this “CHASE” (puzzle) together

    • I don’t know who knows where dreams come from. They
      might be affected by what one has been “blazing” (smoking).
      I would be very surprised if the “blaze” turns out to be a
      huge quartz outcropping that looks just like the blaze on a
      horse’s face. In a few months, maybe we’ll know what the
      “blaze” is, if it’s found by someone who has been wise and
      that person is willing to share the info with us. All IMO.

  11. Someone posted a comment before saying something about the mammoth in the room. Perhaps unique Mammoth Springs can be the blaze(s). I have never been there so i can’t say for sure if [ it/they ] also may be considered as water high?

  12. The Blaze is in Colorful Colorado and it is the Sun!!!!!!! It’s taken me 5 years to figure that out.
    Ha ha whatever!!!!!!

  13. The “The Book of Blazes” has really taken off. I’m itching to share my rejected ‘blazes’ but am reluctant because I am still searching the same general area.
    It is interesting to see how others interpret the blaze.

    • I think it has to be smaller than that as it pinpoints the position of the chest by the instruction to look down and then you have the chest (if this is what ‘your quest to cease’ implies)

      • I agree Bal,
        The blaze has to be smaller and pinpoints the position of the chest. Not a clearing. I could stumble upon it there.

  14. I believe 100% that the blaze is a clue and 99% it’s the last clue seeing he has spoken about the 1st clue and the blaze on a few occasions.
    Forrest said: “Google Earth cannot help with the last clue.”
    Makes sense to me you will not be able to see the blaze using GE.

    • I believe the blaze can be seen using GE, and plan to post
      how the blaze looks (using GE) before the end of 2018.

      The above is my opinion.

      • I can’t wait to see your post how your blaze looks tighterfocus.
        You can do this now BTW here:

        I think the blaze is a personal thing which needs you to be there in person to see and not something that can be seen sitting in your chair looking at your screen.

        Hey, Forrest wanted to get people away from these devices and get out into the wilderness.

        Why would he choose a blaze that you can see from your couch on your device while eating a whole big bag of potato chips with chicken wings while drinking a diet coke?

        Just doesn’t make sense to me.

          • There are lots of things I don’t know or understand. However, I can personally guarantee that the blaze cannot be seen from Google earth. IMO of course but consider it fact.

          • Hello Sherif Billy. How is it that you can personally guarantee it cannot be seen by Google Earth? I realize you’ve added that it is your opinion, but stated consider it a fact.

    • Thank you for the kind thoughts. I am doing OK. My eye is healing slower than I thought from the retina surgery, but it is coming along. I hope that all is well with you and yours.


      Windy City

  15. I also believe that the blaze is visible on GE. I first heard (read) of this fantastic adventure today. After some quick analysis of the poem only, I pinpointed two locations that I believe promising. My plan is to read FF’s books and apply any clues within them to my theory. I will also peruse sites such as this for more info. This year, I hope, no – plan, to rely on “beginners’ luck”, and put this whole thing to rest.

    • Good luck and welcome to the chase.

      There is also a “Searcher’s Introduction” forum set-up to allow you to introduce yourself. Look for it on the side bars.

      Read them. There is some interesting people in the community.

      Best of luck and be safe.

      “Be the chest.”

  16. In September of 1889, Tazewell Woody (Theodore Roosevelt’s hunting guide), John H. Dewing (also a hunting guide) and I, found on the left side of Coulter Creek, some fifty feet from the water and about three quarters of a mile above the creek’s mouth, a large pine tree on which was a deeply indented blaze, which after being cleared of sap and loose bark was found to consist of a cross thus ‘X’ (some five inches in height), and, under it, the initials ‘J C’ (each some four inches in height).
    The blaze appeared to these trained hunting guides, so they stated to me, to be approximately eighty years old.
    They refused to fell the tree and so obtain the exact age of the blaze because they said they guessed the blaze had been made by Colter himself.

  17. Kelly- nice.
    and if you were standing, facing that piece of history blaze, looking in awe, and then looked quickly down, what would you see?

    you would see your own two feet.
    i think.

  18. The blaze is viewable by google earth in my opinion. I have a few doozies. But…..if this is true, then why did he say you can’t find the blaze without knowing where WWH? Or did he not say that? Can you find the end without the beginning? I’d love to know.

    • Here is a long question and quote from Forrtest:
      Mr. Fenn,

      “Over the past half-decade, your challenge for any cavalier spirit to find a valuable treasure chest hidden in the Rocky Mountains sparked a veritable gold rush of knowledge. Searchers endlessly immerse themselves in study of topics previously unknown to them hoping to gain an advantage in their quest. I would even go so far as to speculate that some have done more research in relation to the chest than some doctoral students do in completing a thesis.

      To be sure, there is value in wisdom. That value is then increased when wisdom is shared with others. Which is why I was hoping you might be willing to share a thought or two about something you’ve learned from searchers over the past five years. Whether related to geography, geology, history or even human nature, I’d love to hear if there’s been anything offered up by a searcher, or searchers, that enlightened you in some way.

      Hope all is well! ~ S&H

      Thanks for the question S&H.

      I learn something every day from those who are in the treasure hunt.

      What surprises me is that so many ignore the first clue in the poem. Without it all the searcher has is the memory of a nice vacation. Although many have tried, I doubt that anyone will find the blaze before they have figured out the first clue”. f

      Seems to say it all – JMO – JDA

      • He says he doubts it….not that its impossible. I would show you what I mean JDA…I know I know…conflict of interest. Sighhhhhh

        • Copper;

          Nothing is impossible, but when the man who wrote the poem says that he doubts that anyone will find the blaze before they have figured out the first clue – I believe him – but good luck to Ya’ – prove him wrong. Why not? – JMO – JDA

          • JDA-

            You are correct..IMO
            It cannot be seen from GE!!! Too much tree cover.

            Remember he said it doesn’t face N S E or W. Also he said when you see it…you will have no doubt… and say “THAT is the blaze.” (paraphasing f)

            When the deputy and I found what we believe to be the blaze….my first thought was…OMG he buried his dog Rusty there. The deputy instantly knew differently. She said “That is the blaze!” At that instant, I immediately knew she was right.

            All IMO


          • Sherif Billy

            “Buried” – interesting.

            Blaze = marker, as in grave marker? – Interesting – JDA

    • I think he said that because there are a lot of things in the Rockies that could be considered a blaze, and if you don’t have the correct WWWH, then you will not find the correct blaze.

  19. Copper

    I also believe the BLAZE can be seen by GE. Of course, there may be many such possible blazes in your search area. So, check them all out. In my area of interest, there are 2 possible blazes, and one of them is the one I think might be THE blaze. All in my humble opinion of course.


    • I like GE also
      Best option I’ve seen so far via GE is
      LM Wilderness – at Cache creek road & park car at end of road. Road looks like hanging noose.

      Near there are human placed 3 larger white rocks in a row
      (This to southeast of old vehicles parked in the trees in a circle almost. Look hard for these)

      Look under middle rock

      I feel that tc is near flatter place though. But certainly was fun to find old cars up there.

  20. Tom B on November 7, 2017 at 2:27 pm said:

    JD. That’s possible, of course, but I cannot reconcile that with Forrest’s statement about the path being certain. If the blaze cannot be identified until you are physically on-site,then how can your path be certain before you go? I think Forrest expects all of the clues to be solved, and their location on a map known, prior to going for the treasure.

    Tom B – I haven’t read further in the thread, so someone else may have pointed out that being certain of something is not the same as knowing ahead of time what you are looking for. One can know what to look for but not find it because they were certain it would be there, but it wasn’t. Being certain of where to look makes it easier to find the blaze, whether or not you know what that blaze looks like. Of course, knowing both that you are in the correct place and looking for the correct blaze helps the most.

    As of yet, I do not know what the blaze looks like, nor with certitude where to look. IMO.

    • “If the blaze cannot be identified until you are physically on-site,then how can your path be certain before you go?”

      IMO if a person is certain about everything else in the poem they should be able to find the blaze on site.

      • Aaron, Do you know if FF specifically said the blaze can’t be identified until you are physically on site, and/or that it can not be seen from a map or GE? I don’t remember reading that anywhere.

        • He didn’t say the blaze cannot be seen from GE. He said the last clue cannot be seen on GE. Up to you to determine what the last clue is.

          • IMO the blaze is not the last clue.

            I also believe the blaze cannot be seen “directly” from GE.

          • I remember reading awhile ago that a searcher gathered long ago from a conversation with Forrest that the Blaze was the last clue. That I think is how that idea got around. So who knows?

  21. For thought only…
    What if there are 9 clues that will lead you to the treasure, but only if you figure out the key word and the word that is key, which is additional information provided by the poem on top of the nine clues? What if the first two clues are all that exist before the blaze? What if the other 7 clues come AFTER the blaze? What if 9 clues is the truth but not the whole truth…food for thought.

  22. I have observed that there seems to be two major camps of thought concerning the blaze: 1) when you arrive at it, Indulgence is very near by, or 2) when you arrive at the blaze, you’re at the last marked spot that leads you to the chest, but in fact does not “mark the spot” like a tombstone.

    In my opinion, if you are in the wood to pick up Indulgence, you already have a pretty good idea of what the blaze will be, and where on Earth it is to be found. That’s the certainty part that Mr. Fenn has enumerated a number of times.

    Whether or not you can see it from a certain vantage point seems to be a moot point, as you will know what to be looking for and you will simply be verifying that you solved the riddle. But I do not have Indulgence in my possession, so what do I know?

    • I believe there will be something special enough about the spot that it is in that you will get a sense you are in the right spot and thus find the blaze easily. The blaze could be one of the factors that makes the spot special as well.

  23. This will be my last comment on this blog.
    The blaze is the last clue.
    I can prove it by one of his hidden interviews but will not post it.
    Maybe Loco has this interview but I doubt it.
    By the time this interview surfaces, the blaze will be found right above the treasure.

    • Kraft,

      I am curious about these “hidden” interviews since I can’t find exactly what you are talking about but I did find this one:

      “People driving down the street looking for a blaze, because that’s one of the clues, but you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure.”

      This statement by Forrest seems to definitively imply that the verse #13;
      “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,” is indeed one of the clues however, it also seems to imply by the use of the phrase, “middle of the poem” that it’s NOT the last clue…

      Additionally, we know that verse #5; “Begin it where warm waters halt”
      is Clue #1 in the poem. For verse #13 to be Clue #9, it would mean that every line between verse #5 and #13 were successive clues or that individual verses contain more than a single clue…

      It is difficult to reconcile this with other Forrest Fenn comments from interviews and Jenny Kile’s Q&As:

      When looking at Stanza #2 how many clues? 3 or 4

      When looking at Stanza #3 how many clues? Looks like maybe 2

      Question posted 7/4/2014:

      You told a reporter that there are three or four clues in the second stanza. Were you telling the truth? ~Alison R
      Question posted 7/4/2014:
      You told a reporter that there are three or four clues in the second stanza. Were you telling the truth? ~Alison R

      “I don’t know what it is about girls but when I say something they automatically ask if I’m lying … … Sorry Alison, I’m off my soap box now. No, I was not lying but I don’t remember a reporter asking me such a question. f”

      “… … Sorry Alison, I’m off my soap box now. No, I was not lying but I don’t remember a reporter asking me such a question. f”

      For information only,


      • GCG…this is the beauty of the Chase. Personal interpretation is not always that of another. So many open ended comments and answers makes it hard to form a solid base to work from. My motto is/has been to take everything into consideration. I believe ambiguity is the standard…

      • “Begin it where warm waters halt” is Clue #1 in the poem.

        Most people believe that “Begin it where warm waters halt” is the first clue in the poem, based on the New Zealand Radio interview from 2013. But warm waters halt in the first stanza. I believe that “Begin it where warm waters halt” is the second clue.

      • GCG, the blaze can be the last clue and still be near the middle of the poem. If he said “the middle of the clues” your statement would be correct.

    • I only use one “handle” on this blog. This won’t be my last comment on this blog.

      OH! I should say something about the blaze. It won’t be
      found right above the treasure, but is within about .5 mile
      of it.

      The “above” is my opinion. Y’all’s may diFFer.

  24. Hello searchers

    I am one of the few and the proud who is of the opinion that the blaze is where the treasure chest is located. Of course, I could be wrong, and I do admit that possibility.

    My search follows the poem very well, but my interpretations may not be to your liking. Nevertheless, I remain strongly on this side of the fence. Once I pass water high and heavy loads, there is a blaze which stands out, and I believe that is where the TC is located.

    I respect all and appreciate all opinions. Good fortune to all!


    • How far is the chest located from the blaze? ~ Casey

      Casey, I did not take the measurement, but logic tells me that if you don’t know where the blaze is it really doesn’t matter. If you can find the blaze though, the answer to your question will be obvious. Does that help? f (Mysterious Writings, Weekly Words from Forrest, May 13, 2016)

      This statement from Forrest makes me think the chest is very near the blaze, if not in the same spot. If you are able to find the correct blaze (admittedly a very big if), the treasure chest resting place should be obvious to you at that point. IMO. Franklin, I’m inclined to agree with you.

    • I agree Franklin. I’m convinced that the treasure is in close proximity to the blaze. Look quickly down your quest to seek, seems clear to me.

  25. Hi all! Where does it come from that the blaze should stand the test of time for so many years? I’ve read about 100, sometimes 1000 or even 10000 years from now in this blog… is there a quote? Is this really a fact?
    I’d be glad to know…

    Cheers, TLo

  26. TLo, I think this is what you’re looking for (from Jenny Kile’s site). It implies the blaze might last 100 years, but likely not 1000:

    “Question posted 6/25/2014:

    Q: Hi,
    Did the same 9 clues exist when you were a kid and to your estimation will they still exist in 100 years and 1000 years?
    Thanks ~Ron

    A: Thanks Ron, thoughtful questions
    The clues did not exist when I was a kid but most of the places the clues refer to did. I think they might still exist in 100 years but the geography probably will change before we reach the next millennia. The Rocky mountains are still moving and associated physical changes will surely have an impact. If you are in the year 3,009 it will be more difficult for you to find the treasure.f

    • Thank you, Pinatubocharlie and Muset! I’ve known both, the tarryscant-site and this quote, but here’s my problem with it…

      “The clues did not exist when I was a kid but MOST OF THE places the clues refer to did. I THINK THEY MIGHT still exist in 100 years but the geography probably will change before we reach the next Millennia…”

      Both highlighted parts of this quote definitely don’t make a fact… “Most places” means that probably not all places did exist when he was a kid. “I think they might still exist in 100 years” is speculation but not a fact…

      The rest of the quote is pure humour! 🙂

      All I wanted to say is… from what I’ve read in this blog, many searchers are very obsessed with the idea that the blaze has to be something strong and big that will definitely be there in thousands of years. IMHO this is wrong! In case these facts are based on this special quote the only fact is, that it is wrong…

      That’s why I was asking for a quote that proves this so called fact. Maybe there are others? tarryscant does not help as far as I was able to investigate…

      All the best, stay safe and good luck! TLo

      • TLo,

        Facts that move you or any searcher “closer” to the treasure are in short demand…Many of the ideas discussed or believed by long time searchers attempts to draw the most reasonable/plausible conclusions (often using inductive versus deductive thinking) based on the confluence of Forrest Fenn remarks /writings.

        I don’t know if its possible to convince you of the Blazes enduring nature but I’ll attempt too using summations of Forrest Fenn’s own words:

        — Is the blaze one object? In a word, yes.
        — Is the blaze movable? Possible yes but not feasible.
        — The blaze is one of the clues.
        — If you knew the geographical location of each clue, it would be a map to the treasure.
        — If you follow the 9 consecutive clues they will lead you precisely to the treasure.
        — [Following the clues in order] There is no other way to find the treasure.
        — The treasure could be found in 100 years or a 1000 years but it will be harder in a 1000 years since some geographical features might change.
        — It might take 900 yeas for some one to figure out the clues in the poem.
        — Of the 4 elements of nature, which is the treasure most susceptible too? I don’t think the earth can hurt it, Wind might, who knows when it comes to fires – When it comes to nature, I try not to be absolute.
        — I tried to think of everything… …

        Now I believe you have heard most of these before however I put them in this order to paint a clear picture or logic structure from the person who designed and hid a treasure chest thinking that people could be hunting for it fairly long into the future before figuring out the clues. The clues (all of them are geographical in nature) and Forrest isn’t claiming they are absolute but he does seem to believe with some amount of confidence that these features short of something pretty unexpectedly catastrophic, will endure into the feature accurately enough that some one half a millennium in the future (if they figured them out precisely) could locate his treasure using those very same geographical features…

        What do you think?


      • Concur with GCG. I’m confident the blaze has been around for a very long time, and likely will endure long past the lives of anyone perusing Dal’s website.

        Let me expand on one of GCG’s bullet points above and give you the reference — it’s from Nine Clues part 31, and was a message posted by Forrest in the comments section as “forrestfenn” on 9/26/2014 at 4:06 pm:

        “I had an enjoyably visit with Tom and his brother at the Downtown Subscription Coffee Shop in Santa Fe. They seemed like nice guys and avid treasure hunters. But there is confusion somewhere. While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there.”

        This statement alone rules out a blaze on a tree (for instance). Such a blaze could be easily removed. It rules out a simple rock cairn; I think you’d have to agree that it eliminates from consideration almost anything small. It also precludes the impossibly large — for instance the sun. The sun IS surely impossible to remove.

        The only example of something small that I could think of that wouldn’t be impossible to remove, but (legally) infeasible would be a USGS survey marker. Removable, yes, but big-time illegal to do so.

        • Zap;

          You say, “This statement alone rules out a blaze on a tree (for instance). Such a blaze could be easily removed.” Can you please tell me how you would remove a blaze on a tree? If it is just a place where the bark has been removed, all you can do is remove more bark. Do you think it is an “F” or “FF” carved on the bark, Forrest has already eliminated that by pointing out to a reporter an “F” that he carved onto an aspen, that was just a blur only a few years later – so the “Mark” on the tree would have to be pretty big wouldn’t it – so we are back to my beginning statement. – How would you go about REMOVING a blaze from a tree.

          Not sure it is possible, and certainly not easy – JMO – JDA

          • JDA,
            Few trees live 500 years. Also marks on trees can endure for sometime, but are too susceptible (IMO) in nature (i.e. normal forest fires, normal rot decay factors like insects, animals, lichens, molds etc) — to be used by Forrest into the far future – even if he chose to “tar” them…

          • GCG;

            I agree – the blaze is probably NOT a mark on a tree. I was just questioning Zap’s assertion that if a blaze was on a tree, that it could easily be removed. JDA

          • JDA,

            Here’s a quote by Forrest that I love:

            IF you don’t think I hid it there, then I probably didn’t.

            Or something like that.

            Often I put myself in Forrest shoes and ask myself the questions and suppose I too were going to hide a multi-million dollar treasure with the intent that it could cause people for the next 1000 years to get out there and hunt for it because I had designed it so well that it was still possible. How could I achieve that end?

            And if I’ve thought of it – Forrest probably thought of it. Because the mountains, the forest and the river beds are his temple…

          • GCG;

            I have not yet found the treasure, but I assure you, the more that you learn about where it just might be, and the more that you unravel the riddles, the more you will be astounded by the genius of the poem and the chase. All I can say is W O W !

            JMHO – A Salute to Forrest – JDA

          • W O W JDA!
            I know what you mean even though we are searching in different states.
            Time will tell ALL.

        • Nice Zap, I agree with your thought on this matter.
          I will add the blaze may be a rock formation created by Mother Nature or some type of scar on a rock formation. Be care careful when Forrest uses the word “may”.

          • JDA,

            WE are in complete agreement on this!
            The poem – no matter how hard I have worked to figure it out – doesn’t come close to what it took to craft it!

            Even though I know my solve isn’t the product of confirmation bias and the clues have provided me with the precise location, I keep in the forefront of my mind, my long dead great great great uncle Samuel Clemens:

            “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.”

            So in that vain, I continue to pour over and squeeze out of the poem, all of its secrets and to the end, nearly everyday I discover some other nuance of it, that was most likely done intentionally (or at least with awareness afterwards) by Forrest.

            Really amazing piece of work.


        • To answer your question, JDA, removing a blaze from a tree is easy: chop it out if it’s a letter, symbol, pictogram, what-have-you. Easy-peasy. Certainly “feasible” to use Forrest’s word, and far from impossible. Therefore, it’s wrong.

          Likewise, nothing hard about chopping down a tree. But all of this is just idle chit-chat: the blaze, IMO, cannot be a mark on a tree. It would be idiotic. Forrest thought of everything, and certainly forest fires would have been included in his calculus.

          • How about a ‘diamond bit chipped\carved’ FF on a petrified tree?

            I’m just kidding. Wink.

            No one would\could mark a petrified tree most likely. They could arrange bits of it perhaps in a noticeable pattern though. Like a marble game w circle, for instance. That could last 1000 years possibly.

  27. It helps to know something about Rocky Mountain geography when making plans to search for my treasure. Rocking chair ideas can lead one to the first few clues, but a physical presence is needed to complete the solve. Google Earth cannot help with the last clue.

    Mr. Fenn,

    Which direction does the Blaze face? North, South, East or West? Curious. Foxy

    I didn’t take a radial off of the blaze Foxy. I’m thinking it may not be any of those directions. f

    So what have we learned? Google Earth cannot help with the last clue, which is probably the “Blaze”, but a good map?….Maybe? Now you geniuses what on a map does not face NSEW?



    • If it’s literally right there as the poem describes: If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,; Look quickly down, your quest to cease,…

      It could be down and not a cardinal direction.

  28. 9 clues, the first is known to be Where warm waters halt, the last is also related to the first IMO, That is “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze”.

    There are 7 clues left and 7 colors in the Rainbow, now how do we make Brown work? Understand the significance of the First and Last Clue.

    The point of WWWH is Geographically simple, water halts at 32 degrees, which is the border of New Mexico, Old Mexico and Texas at the RIo Bravo, the latitude and longitude of my blaze is printed on it, and it reads 180. Supreme Court of the United States engraved in Bronze. It is exact and the view of this Marvel Gaze is unbelievable.


    • I like the idea of 7 colors of light, but warm waters are not 32°F. Granted, some say warm water freezes faster than cold, but that’s still a far, far distance to be too far to walk to get North of Santa Fe. Were you able to identify all the other colors I the clues? Lastly, if the blaze is located in Santa Fe, and it close to the court house, why is that a special place to Forrest, and why would he go there to die?

  29. Just curious if anyone has discussed the two Q’s found so close together in one sentence and no where else in the poem? “Look quickly down your quest to cease”. I’ve always found this interesting. Almost like two quacks from a duck. Any ideas?

      • Hello Muset. With your thought of anagrams being involved to solve the poem, do you believe the treasure chest would have been found by the earlier searchers?

        • Hi pdenver,

          There are 24 of them and they take a long time each to get correct with lots of BOTG. It’s easy to get one wrong and go off in the wrong direction.

          I doubt more than a handful of searchers ever tried to make 24 anagrams from the poem. That suits me fine, of course.

  30. In my opinion, the Blaze is obviously the correct Blaze when you find it. No question about it. HOB is just about as simple, IMO. The toughest clue, again IMO, is WWWH. That one threw me for a doozy. Then, I remembered what f said in an interview and voila. I must agree with f that most places WWWH are north of Santa Fe.
    Of course, this comment sounds like many others, you know filled with confidence and ego of an ignoramus. I’m not trying to be arrogant. Keep in mind that f says that solving the clues gets easier the further along you get (or words to that effect). I tend to see WWWH a little differently now that I’ve come full circle. He may agree. Maybe I’m wrong, but… Maybe I’m right. Maybe I’m somewhere in between.
    I wish all safe travels. Pack accordingly and we’ll see you all on and off the trails.

    • Slurbs,
      Do you mind if I ask which state you are searching in? In fairness sake I will tell that I am searching Colorado.

  31. I believe that when you are clear on where the treasure is (within a few hundred feet), you will know what to look for that will constitute the blaze. You may not know with exact precision where the treasure is, but you will know with certainty what the blazes you are looking for. And I also believe you will not be traipsing up miles of creek hoping to see it. You will be quite certain of a very small area in which to look, and I expect you will see it quickly once there.

    • Julie,
      I agree, once you’re at the blaze & look quickly down, what you see then is undeniable. I also believe that the poem absolutely tells us what to look for & how to get there. My blaze does point to a small group of trees & I believe Indulgence is waiting there. I’m back in the States now, my mom’s heart surgery is today, so please keep her in your thoughts everyone. This trip home to be with my mom has taken the place of my treasure hunt, I could only afford one trip. Little Ms. Indulgence will be resting awhile longer it seems.

      • Birdie, I hope your Mom’s surgery was successful & sending wishes that she has a speedy recovery. My Mom had a double by pass several years ago, I know how difficult and scary that can be.

        • KK,
          Thank you so much for your thoughts & kind words. I pleased to say my mother is doing better than expected & I hope to be leaving Emory & taking her home on Wednesday. She made the medical books with this one, she goes big, I tell ya! Lol The condition is so rare they did it for free, thank the gods! Thanks again!

      • Some things in life are worth more than treasure. Time with people you love is one of them; for some, it’s already too late for treasure to buy.

        The more you spill, the more I get the feeling we may have sighted the same blaze (as have plenty of other folks I’m sure). Why a [cluster of trees] over a [combo of other features, only one of which is a tree] though? (don’t answer if you still plan to search this year)

        I still hope you find it at your spot, and I suspect someone will piece together your generosity too easily if you keep spilling. If we see the same (I didn’t actually need a keyword for my solve, just some simplistic guessing to line up clues to blazes and wwwh), then what you have said already is enough for someone to search your spot this summer.
        I think there are a lot fewer possibilities if I line up your generosity to blazes than if I line up ff’s altitude window, creek, and hoB to blazes.

        -neither green nor blue

        • a grue,
          Good luck with your search! I know I’ve been very generous & I hope it does help others. I believe that whoever finds it, is suppose to have it. I do have to admit you have me a bit worried. Care to share which state you believe it to be in? If not I understand,

          • I have no intention of going there myself as I mentioned, to me a chance of the treasure isn’t worth it, though I would like to see this chase conclude in the next couple of years (my estimate was 10 years from when people started searching seriously). I was really hoping you would find it this summer as your comment made me look past the blaze. I was planning to spill my solve if you didn’t find it after searching this summer. As for the state:

            If I wanted a home where the buffalo roam,

            And the neighbors are really far away…

            Anyway state rings true to the William and Mary Goodwin (1904) version of Home on the Range (why did people want to put graceful white swans and not Rocky Mountains in there anyway?!).

  32. Kinda curious what everyone’s thoughts are on the placement of clues in the poem. We know that WWWH is the first clue, but Fenn never said that there aren’t clues in the first stanza or everything after the blaze. Could it be that are not linear? He said they are contiguous, but that might not mean that they come after each other, but adjacent or neighboring.

    The lines like “So hear me all and listen good” and “If you are brave and in the wood” seem like clues that might help find the blaze.

    • Hi Chris — on different occasions, Forrest has said the clues are contiguous and that they are consecutive. In the latter case, there is the Lorene Mills interview from 5/13/2011 where he said, “Well, in my book there’s a poem, like I said. And there are nine clues in the poem. And the clues are in consecutive order.” Assuming no misspeaks on Forrest’s part, this means there are no clues in the first stanza.

        • I am of the school of thought that every line offers something. It may not be one of the “nine” but don’t fail to utilize their aid in deciphering the actual nine.

      • Zap- yes, no clues in the first stanza….the first stanza is more like a billboard to me, advertising the place he went alone and with donated treasures bold.

        i think.

    • First hint could be
      ‘Gone alone’ minus one = GAL
      Or ‘where there b old old
      Or ‘riches where there will’ (my fantasy favorite I wish it was)
      Or Montezuma (riches old and new. Old Mexico & New Mexico)

      Or ‘hear me all… ‘brave and in the wood’ where it is at
      Such as
      Echo near Ghost ranch – smile ugly girl ( well she wasn’t ugly though)
      Echo canyon in other states or amphitheater

      But ‘begin’ Sounds like a starting place once in right area.

      And could be a loop like measuring with chain links in past. Being near where you started but can only be seen from loop direction. Or a hole in rock wall which you look out through & see treasure chest near trail you just came up.

      Just my humble opinions though.
      Good luck.

    • For me, clue lines are: 5,6,9,13,16,17,20,22,24. With the ‘key” in line 9. “A word that is key” line 17.
      Clue lines plus the key line equal the “Book of Days”.

    • I recall FF saying that people should not ignore the first stanza. People talk “clues” v “hints”. IMHO, clues lead you to the treasure, hints help you confirm your path (or can point you in the general direction of a clue.) I have a solve I will be acting on later this year. I have all the clues solved, and I can see a lot of hints, in the poem and also in TTOTC.

      So, for me, yes, a line like — “Hear me all and listen good” should not be ignored, but the question is: is that line a clue or a hint? (For me, it is a hint – it works as a confirmation of my solve, but it was not an essential clue that lead me to where I believe the chest is located,)

      Elsewhere, I said I have become fascinated with the concept of Confirmation Bias. I have read people’s posts where they are doing all sorts of things to “confirm” their solve: from numbers games, to lining up illustrations to maps, to bringing in obscure historical references. In addition, it seems that TTOTC has “too many clues” — for just about any solve you can return to the text and point to something and cry “hint!” I have tried hard to avoid that trap.

  33. If you just came UP a creek to a blaze and are told to look DOWN, in a lot of cases down is back toward the way you came. That’s probably fine with the whole sequence of going down the canyon and up the creek where the treasure is not far from the beginning, but too far to just walk straight to it, but what if it isn’t part of the zigzag:

    While it could be that ff wants you to see a blaze because it is so marvelous and then head back downward, there is a case where you would look away from whence you came:
    If the blaze is at a peak/ridge looking down could put u looking forward but down; your marvel gaze would be that view over the ridge/peak earned by climbing up a creek. Hoping this narrows down the blaze in some blazey areas to make one stand out.

    -neither green nor blue

  34. I’ve been thinking about a question and response about the blaze from Mysterious Writings June 2014. Question to Forrest from Becky: “Can the blaze be pre-determined by the poem or can it only be determined at the search area?”. Response from Forrest: “Becky, you are a rascal to ask that question and I have been sitting here for about fifteen minutes trying to decide what to say. Well, it has been thirty minutes now and I think i’ll pass on the question.”

    My analysis: knowing that Forrest is motivated to getting people to explore the outdoors, he would naturally be inclined to say that the blaze can only be determined on-site, as opposed to being determined at home. To me, then, his non answer is indicating that the blaze CAN be pre-determined from the poem.

    • I agree and it’s why wise and ‘dancing with the stars’ anagram – chest at handwritings.

      But once again I believe handwritings has lots of meanings such as signature, letter, symbols, ochre hand print, poem, etc.

      • Copperhead,
        Douglas Preston said Forrest is the master of the double entendre.

        In the poem “wise” has at least two definitive meanings; one literal and one figurative.

        On a literal level “wise” means to be alert to or aware of the “Blaze”

        Forrest has said (paraphrasing), he doesn’t believe a serious searcher can come with in a few paces (approx. 12’) and not find the treasure chest.

        In my opinion the physical blaze marks the spot of treasure or reveals the final location (“found”) – where a searcher will need to understand “the last [clue] one” in order to reveal how it is hidden, such that it’s impossible to accidentally discover. Google Earth (GE) certainly can not help you with this! It is my belief that as GE has improved throughout the years since he hid “Indulgence” that it is possible the “blaze” has become visible using GE. I have multiple reasons for believing this not the least of which is how his comments have evolved a bit over the last 8 years…

        Then there is the figurative meaning of “wise” “found” and “blaze” – the second meanings!

        Many people have mentioned how some of Forrest’s comments seem to have what may appear as “conflicting” meanings… I am not in this camp (Forrest isn’t perfect but he gets far more correct than he has errors). Therefore I believe this is mostly due to the dual nature of the poem and it’s required multiple interpretation thus Forrest comments regarding the idea that the person who will find the treasure, is the person who can move fluidly between these two levels of interpretation…


        • GCG,

          You continue to make a whole lot of sense…and it is not lost on me that GCG is only one letter off of each fbf (Forrest B. Fenn). But then again, ff is not nearly that eager to get “this over with,” right?

        • Hi GCG Thank you for your thoughtful and very reasoned opinion.

          In my kind of thinking, I’m a nerd mind you, ‘Wise, could be layered such as 3 wise men who followed the star = wise could be layered as a star, in other words.

          (And what is Forrest fishing for on cover of new OIAW book? Stars.)

          Therefore, In my artist nerdy thinking, it is too coincidental for Forrest to tell us to read poem over and over THEN read the book. And when I’m filtering ‘wise’ into 3 wise men and further into star…then further thinking about where he mentions ‘star’ in the TTOTC book…then it is easy for me to distill star into ‘dancing with the stars’ reference in book as being where star was mentioned …
          which those exact letters in ‘dancing with the stars’,when rescrambled, = chest at handwritings.

          Coincidence or extremely unusual happenstance?

          I choose (my humble opinion) to believe it is too coincidental to ignore in my chase. But ok for others to ignore of course.

          Also, Fenn tells us to think. If I take a word literally there is no thinking for me.
          But if I think about, for instance, “canyon down” then Canyon could be Steve Canyon and down can mean blue (depressed) or down could be feathers like a goose or hen, or down could be south, or as in TTOTC book Forrest says down main is north of his house.
          But these are Just my very humble ‘thinkings’ which are worth about the same as a $3 dollar bill.

          Forrest also said a blaze has many meanings and is why he chose that word. So I have to explore all non-literal possibilities of the words in the poem. But I’m probably wrong in my musings.

          (I’m an artist and creativity is my life…so questioning with ‘what if’ is a must for me.
          I teach that opinions are like choices when eating at a buffet. No food is right for everyone…nor wrong for everyone. But buffet food is usually right for the ones choosing the food. And sometimes, on advice, we eat what they suggest and it’s suprisingly good. So while I’m always open to other’s opinions … it’s ok if others don’t feel the same way about mine. I’m always a happy camper.)

          • Coppertop,

            I believe that your kind of thinking is great for brainstorming and for collecting in ones own mind a large swathe of possible interpretations however at some point all these ideas need to coalesce into a single coherent solve — not just a beautiful list of creative imaginings…

            Time is of the essences!


          • Cooperhead–

            IMO- You are correct. WISE refers to the three wise men. Those three wise men are the three stars of Orion’s belt. Using their alignment on a special day of the year, gives you a vector. That vector was very special to the ancient indian astronomers. IMO the treasure is also on that vector. Remember Mr. F said if you were to divide the government land by the population of the country, everyone owns 2.0855 acres. Maybe that’s a clue. IMO

            1 F Billy

        • GCG- double entendre indeed. but youve tackled the wrong word i think. chest is the word to study.
          there’s chest and,
          there’s treasure chest.

          double entendre. and a world of difference.
          me thinks.

    • You have said to read the poem and read TTOTC to help solve for the 9 clues. We all know there are many options to choose from regarding, Brown, hoB, wwh, and blaze hinted at in the book. My question is, “In the book, do you also, in a more subtle way, tell which is the correct answer to one or all of the above?” ~BW
      No I don’t madam, sorry. f
      Pretty much says it right there. CANNOT be pre-determined from the poem. In fact, there is no correct answer, so it must be found BotG.

    • Thanks Billy
      That solstice for Native Americans was very important in prehistoric societies. In some, like at Chaco, a stream of solstice light would align with a spot on a rock or on a cliff etc. (This changes slightly over hundreds of years, according to what Some scientists say, as Russia creeps almost 1 foot a year toward the North Pole.)

      I would love the romance of a blazing piece of light shining on a particular cliff, then look down below where it shines and chest is below, but likely won’t be the case. However, not going to rule anything out cause I like it!

      Thanks again Billy. : )

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