The Blaze…Part Five


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This is the place to discuss the the blaze. What do you think it is? Is it temporary or permanent? Will it be around for a thousand years or doesn’t it matter? Is it easy to spot or difficult? Does the poem tell us what the blaze looks like or what it is?

Nick Lazaredes of SBS-TV’s Dateline in Australia interviewed Forrest in the spring of 2014. Here is Forrest explaining the BLAZE.

625 thoughts on “The Blaze…Part Five

  1. Notice, Forrest NEVER ONCE SAID that a blaze is a blaze on a tree, which I imagine it is.

      • Is there a data base of “blazes” ? I know it sounds crazy, but I found a web site that said in 1878 the State of New Mexico did a full survey of the state. The state had a requirement that a tree blaze or stack of stones would be put every 2 miles on the border. Maybe if you find one blaze, you walk 2 miles to the next one?

    • Hello Margie. I’m a little confused. An interview you did with Mr. Fenn on January 1, 2014, shows the following:

      “What serious adventurers should remember,” Fenn says, “is to not believe anything that is not in my poem or otherwise in my book. There’s some misinformation out there. For instance, I never said I buried the chest, I said only that I hid it. That is not to say it is not buried, so maybe we need to define
      the terms. Does ‘hidden’ mean in plain sight? What is the difference between ‘buried,’ ‘entombed’ and ‘sepultured’? What does the word ‘blaze’ in the poem mean? A horse can have a blaze on its forehead, a blaze can be scraped on a tree to mark one’s way, a blaze can mean a flame or a scar on a rock. And what about ‘water high’? Does it mean deep, or higher than normal?”

      • pdenver…that is one of my favorites. Fenn actually seems to be offering some insight on how to look at his wording in the poem. While I do not believe what he is saying is revealing…he is talking about at least three aspects of the poem beyond the first two clues. Great share.

      • Great quote PD. Forrest reveals a lot about the different meanings of words – Great advice as far as I am concerned. – JDA

      • Can “water high” be a geyser? Can a geyser(s) be a (group) blaze(s)? Never have i used a geyser as a blaze nor water high, maybe i should.

    • its highly unlikely that a tree would be around for over 100 years. one must take account of the clues withstanding the test of time. so the blaze can be a marking, but most likely not on a tree. trees fall and rot, can be a grove of trees but imo im leaning towards other options

      • Apen Trees live between 150 and 200 years. The groves can be thousands of years old from my understanding.

    • Hi Margie — Forrest actually has given a blaze on a tree as an example. He wrote it in reply to Scout Around (i.e. Diggin Gypsy) mentioning that it was one of the many things searchers have proposed:

      Mysterious Writings Q&A (5/28/2014):

      “I have received a few hundred emails from searchers who are sure they know what the blaze is. Ideas range from a mark on a tree, a rock, a sign, a fire, the side of a bluff, a waterfall, a spot on the head of a horse, a rainbow, and even a live owl that flew away when it was approached.”

      • Hi Tracy: searchers who think the blaze is a rainbow probably latched onto that because of the sentence leading into the poem in TTOTC.

        • Hi Aaron: true, but then again the list of things that don’t face north, south, east or west is infinitely longer than the list of those that do.

          • That is a true statement. It doesn’t exclude a rainbow, or I suppose a rock, or a number of other things. I do think a rainbow is an excellent example of a blaze. Maybe not the blaze we are looking for but a good example of one.

          • I thought the same thing as well… but just because something doesn’t face north, south, east, or west- it could face northwest….

            However, if you think of it in pilot terms. East is 0-180 degrees, west is 181-360

        • Roy G Biv = Brown. Home of Brown?
          red,orange,yellow,blue, etc.. Mix all the paint colors together and you’ll have brown. FF is the Leprechaun. If your nice to the leprechaun he will give you clues to where his treasure is at the end of the rainbow. Just thinking like child’s play. I found the sock with a hole in it and the leprechaun near Hebgen Lake. Which sounds like He(FF)bgen(begin). Took FF to complete the poem 15 yrs. FF had a lot of time to think it through. My two sense.

      • Is that a quote or an opinion? If it’s a quote from FF can you source it please?

  2. I believe that the blaze is of a natural feature, such as a rock face or a Clif. I don’t believe the blaze is a mark on a … That wouldn’t last 100 or a 1000 years.

  3. I think that since you apparently must be wise to identify what it is, it is NOT anything you would typically suspect.

    • I have thought, from very early on, that to be wise, you must know what you are looking for before you are BOTG. Otherwise, you would be lucky (not wise) if you found the blaze while BOTG. I think the identity of the blaze is hidden within the poem. JMO.

      • I agree it must be coded in some way in the poem as all the other clues appear to be directional instructions. However how it can be deciphered is the hardest part as Forrest has said that knowing about codes, riddles and a list of other hidden meaning tools will not help you!

        • I’m familiar with his comments on codes and ciphers, but can you provide the quote about riddles and hidden meanings?

    • Joel;

      Where did the saying, “Wise like an owl” come from? An Owl always chooses the highest perch from which to view its potential prey. Could this be a hint, that we need to look down on the blaze – like an owl would? I think that it is worth a bit of thought anyway. Just an old buzzards point of view – JDA

      • Wise like a leprechaun. Tap..tap..tap at his shoe making to sell his shoes for exchange for golden coins. Tap…Tap…the sound of water dripping?
        Child play. Keeping it simple.

        • Also, something else to share. The Omega is the leprechaun symbol. Horseshoes. If you want to look at it mathematically one Omega = 800. Two Omega x 2 = 1600. FF and family traveled every summer 1600 miles from TX to W Yellowstone.

          I have other great ideas but I should stop sharing because it too me a while to think this way and want my efforts rewarded on my search. Good luck everyone! And the Uncle Tom’s Trail is closed until completed 2018. I know some have been searching here. Seems every time I come up with an idea someone else beat me to that thought.

          • IMO
            Don’t let the fact that others have been there stop you from trying your search area. I know of a few searchers that have been in my area & found nothing but they didn’t know what to look for. They all walked right by indulgence.

          • If you are talking about the dual omegas at the end of TTOTC, it cannot be a clue because he said there were no “on purpose” clues in there. Just hints throughout the stories.

      • close to finding what Forest hid with wit.
        I (believe) I may have found the blaze..
        I can tell you i am (Pretty) sure of it….
        his lofty quest put me in a craze.

        every little spot and clue..
        its enough to leave you amazed…
        then it hits you he told you true …
        forest’s map indeed blazes his trail crazed…

        but seriously.. if I am right it was made between 2004 ad 2005. but most likely not by him. and maybe not even on purpose (My) answer and solve is simple and beautiful at the same time. waiting till after I go there again tomorrow and on Forests book to come in the mail so I can Email him the hopefully good news. leaving tomorrow to go see. I can walk straight to it with a grin on my face. I think it has to be there. the chance of every clue in exact order within a mile and the start nearest to the blaze 🙂

    • Joel – I agree, the blaze is something not typically expected.

      JBL – I agree, the blaze can be pre-determined from the poem.

      JDA – Yes, I think the blaze can be best identified from above. Also, I think it can be seen on satellite images.

        • I don’t think Forrest ever said the last clue couldn’t be seen from GE. But I do remember him saying something along the lines of this: GE willl not help with the last clue…or something closely resembling that, to the best of my memory.

          • “If you’ve been brave & in the wood” is the last clue IMO. It’s a very important clue. There are 2 more stanzas that folks seem to dismiss after “Just take the chest and go in peace.” With everything we know about Mr.Fenn, do you really think he would put two stanzas in with useless information? Again JMO

      • Tom B

        Seen from above, I agree – Seen on satellite images, I disagree. JMO – JDA

        • JD. Think big. It could be that searchers miss the blaze because they are not expecting something that is very large. The mind recognizes what it is expecting.

    • It might surprise you to learn what some of us “would typically suspect”.

      I want to briefly change the subject a bit. Here (in quotes) is a true statement:

      “I went to the grocery store and bought a Toyota truck.”

      Please note that I didn’t claim to buy the truck at the grocery store.

      Likewise, please note that the poem didn’t state that one must be wise to
      find the blaze. In fact, I don’t believe that one must be particularly/excessively wise in order to find it. But there is a good reason for the word “wise” to be used the way it was. As always, IMO.

    • Charlie M, Forrest stated that the treasure is not associated with any structure. To my uncertain knowledge, he did not say this about the blaze also…just the treasure chest.

      • Boaz;

        There has been recent conversation here on the Blog, where Cynthia said that Forrest had told her that no structure was associated with hoB – plus what he had said about no structure being associated with the treasure, leads one to believe that no structure is associated with ANY of the clues. Just my interpretation of what has been recently said here on the blog. You may not agree – JDA

      • I’m with you, Boaz. To assume more than what F says could be a huge mistake. Better to err on the side of not excluding enough than exclude too many places and possibly miss the chest. Unlock the poem and see where it leads. JMO

  4. Hoping to see the blaze this summer 🙂 as for the recent comments about the blaze possibly being mikes away I think it is close based on FF’s comments.

  5. If you are WISE
    This is telling the searcher that if the clues have been followed
    And understood, then you will know what the BLAZE is before
    You put BOTG . Imo

    • I agree, Kingfish. I have always thought that a person must know, in advance, what the black is that he/she is looking for. Otherwise, the person would be lucky, not wise. Just my opinion.

      • IMO
        I totally agree & I believe that’s why people are making multiple trips. They just don’t know what to look for but he does tell you in the poem. You must know what the blaze is before you reach your search area or you’re searching blindly.

    • Yoo are absolutely correct. Then go straight to the trove. NO Searching just as Mr.Fenn said.

      • A good amount of searching, even with a perfect solve, will be needed
        for one to find the TC. As always, IMO (based on much BOTG experience).

  6. anagram of ‘ Dancing with the stars ‘ = ‘chest is at handwriting’.
    = Blaze …for me anyway.

    • Star = wise men = if you’ve been wise
      And found blaze…

      Now Look for ‘star’ in book = Dancing with the ‘stars’
      ‘Dancing with the stars’ anagram = chest at handwritings
      Just my additional thoughts.
      But there are further layers concerning the above. Distill it and link it. It’s not what you might think. Not just ‘handwritings’ perhaps, in other words.

      • Another option
        Caves in France have very early homo sapien art which can still be seen. As well as bear bones and skulls which they killed.

        Protected areas of stone (especially marble etc.) last thousands of years. However Rocky Mountains move. As do rivers and streams.

        Apparently Fenn may have said the chest would be harder to find in 3000+ years. If so then it’s likely not in a steep rapid erosion place.

        On Jenny Kile site he said, “I think the gold will again become alert to the tromp and vibrations of hiking boots.”
        So maybe look near a hiking trail which won’t erode much in next 3000 years?

      • Drawing could be = black & white = Gneiss rock – pepper because it is b\w peppered rock.
        Gneiss creek?

        • Could be a drawing but drawing likely could also maybe be a bridge which he mentions over and over and refers back to Gilbert Gaul drawing maybe?
          (But could be other layers also. I think all of us have many options for each clue, right? .)

          • I don’t think a bridge is likely to be much
            of a help/clue/hint in any way. But of
            course you’ll probably drive over more
            than one bridge during your search
            trip. All IMO.

          • Hi Tighterfocus,
            What about this scenario
            First find wwwh
            Then take car & go 10ish miles south
            Then park and put in at river near BRIDGE
            Then float down river because this 9 miles has no roads near
            Next when nearin wwwh, begin looking for treasure chest (maybe only visible from this angle in other words,
            Then get out at take at take out
            Get a rise back to car and drive back to takeout.
            Then walk upstream to where you saw chest
            Put in car

            Possible maybe? There is a place for sure that fits this bill.

            Thanks for reply. You could be correct for sure. All options welcome. Helps everyone.

          • Copperhead, regarding your “scenario”, . . .

            it doesn’t closely align with the “travel route” defined by my interpretation of the poem’s directions.

            I don’t plan on floating down a river while travelling along a search path on the way to the TC. And I hope I don’t see any (real, live) snakes while on my next search hike.

            The above is all part of my opinion. I hope it doesn’t
            offend anybody on the 88th anniversary of their birth day.

        • Copperhead, close.
          Since y’all have helped me along the way I will reciprocate. Its gabbro we are looking for. (IMO) Forrest gives us many examples of it.
          Been there, saw it. I now know why he said not to hunt in the winter.
          Good luck just don’t get to my spot before me!

          • I agree and Montana is the “treasure state” . So there’s that. But just guesses until someone figures it out ‘on scene’.

      • (Eeek. Sorry about double (triple!) post… forgot the ‘hint’ the first time and thought I caught it before the first one was posted.)

    • How do you get that anagram when the number of letters doesn’t match? If all letters don’t match, the anagram is invalid.

      • Agreed. There is only one rule for anagrams, and that is all the letters must be used with none left over.

        Further enhancements are flourishes that make them better and better. For a million dollar puzzle, one should expect the flourishes to be excellent.

        Please keep trying, because I believe with practice an average person can reasonably get good at doing them. So far on the blogs I’ve only seen garbage. But then again, I don’t expect anybody to give up any good ones for the public to take for free..

    • Yes. Like when following a trail. The blaze is repetitious. That is how you know you’re on the trail. If you are wise and have Identified the blaze then it will lead you…

  7. I agree with the blaze being different for each lap through the poem. I also believe one of these “blazes” is not seen, but instead “found” by use of another of our senses.

  8. I used to think the blaze was a trail marker, Then a man-made object, Then a geographical ground feature, Then a group of trees.
    Now I’m pretty sure it’s something else. The Chase has to be properly aged and seasoned to be fully cooked to perfection.

  9. In the previous page of “The Blaze” discussion someone said they thought Forrest was using the blaze to deceive or distract searchers and said there was a quote somewhere in this regards but that isn’t accurate.

    Altered Dimensions has some commentary where they say Forrest is hinting the Blaze could be a deception, because he told an interviewer the following; ““I was careful. A blaze can be on a tree, in a fire, on the face of a horse, a scar on a rock, and a host of other things.”

    The quote is accurate however the interpretation is NOT accurate. Obviously, Forrest’s actual statement only means he’s not going to say specifically what the “blaze” is but he is offering up some common things which can be referred to as a blaze, in English…

    I believe this is the reason there was confusion for the commenter previously.


    • Hi GCG: you missed Loco’s response before the page was closed. He posted the link to what was almost certainly the source of charlie’s theory about the blaze being intended to throw searchers off: Tony Dokoupil’s story in the Daily Beast. It is not a Forrest quote. It was Tony’s interpretation of something Forrest said.

      • I’m not letting any of Tony’s videos distract or divert
        me from my effort(s) in finding the TC. But good
        luck to him anyway. I hope he doesn’t “lose his

        Oh, I should say something about the hunt.
        If the blaze is expected to last up to 10,000 years,
        it’s not likely to depend on the durability of a tree or
        even a specific small group of trees.

        In fact, now that I think of the phrase “in the wood”,
        a small group of trees (“the wood”) probably is not
        a physical object that the poem would have the
        successful solver/searcher looking for during a
        BOTG hike. Good; I can eliminate this from the
        list of small places to carefully search.

        The above is IMO. Yours may differ.

        • tighterfocus,

          I agree with your thought about “in the wood” not being a physical object.

          The phrase “If you are brave and in the wood” to me means: You have been a good scout, like a Native American “BRAVE” and you have followed all the signs correctly. “.. in the wood” could simply mean “out there in the wilderness” or it could mean “in the treasure chest lined with wood”.

          All of this is only my opinion


          • The part about “in the treasure chest
            lined with wood” didn’t impress me
            much. I believe that any searcher who
            gets close enough to see and recognize
            the TC is (as far as FF is concerned)
            entitled to have it. At that time, he/she
            would not (yet) have reached into its
            wooden interior. All IMO.

    • You’re both wrong, I’m still looking. It was an interview, Forrest was standing on what looked like a stage. A lady was interviewing him. He mentioned the blaze was (I want to say “turning point”, but I don’t think he said that), intended to throw the searcher off. It is something unordinary.

      I’ve looked online before and found nothing, I think I wrote it down in some old notes. I have a lot of notes. I will post either way when I find out. Quit guessing, it doesn’t work, lol…

      • Before you guys twist that post around, let me say, DO NOT take the info as fact as of yet. Don’t even put it in the back of your mind. It does not belong on the short journey to get there. It’s not going to be a big revelation. I will post when I am satisfied that I either DO NOT have the info, or that I can produce actual quotes. Relax, still had a lot of notes prior to 2013-2014.

        On the flip side, it is pretty interesting to see where I was back then and see what the masses were thinking. A lot of the same conversations for sure.

      • Good luck, charlie. I don’t think you want to be on the “tail end” of the line of searchers in the “stampede”
        toward the blaze this spring or summer . . . IMO.

        • Lol, I thought my view was off. I have a good one, nobody going to find, I’m okay. I’m finding out that I’m terrible at organizing notes.

        • Tighterfocus–

          If you are planning on the “tail end” being the blaze, I believe you are wrong. That sir, faces due West. Sorry IMO


  10. Reading the above quote, how he transitions from “entombed” and “sepultured”directly to “blaze” makes me wonder if the blaze isn’t itself the “tomb” so to speak. This had not really occurred to me to think of it that way.

  11. My thoughts lately drift toward the Blaze being so obvious perhaps a searcher may walk right by it not realizing it’s significance. Just remembering the statement made about “the big picture.”

    • Yes. My thought is that the blaze blends into the surroundings and will not be recognized as the blaze unless you know exactly what to look for. I do believe the blaze can be determined from the poem alone.

      • Will the blaze blend into its surroundings? – Yes.
        It will not be recognized as a blaze – Yes
        You must know what you are looking for – Yes
        The blaze can be determined from the poem – NO JMO – JSA

          • Marcelo

            I am sorry, I do not understand what you are referring to as a “tucker”. I googled it, and saw that in Australia, it means a bag or pack. Also I see a “Piece of lace” worn about the neck – Maybe like a Handkerchief worn by cowboys?

            Forrest once said that a blaze is anything that stands out – so using this definition, almost anything, under the right conditions could be considered a blaze, I guess.

            Personal opinion – I would bot think that a bag or piece of lace would last long enough to be a blaze. JDA

          • Hello Marcelo and JDA. This is an interesting discussion. Both tucker/Tucker and handkerchief have been mentioned in scrapbooks. To think a little bit about this, a handkerchief may have been worn around cowboys’ necks, but they were also used as a flag for surrendering. In my opinion, our U.S. flag is certainly a blaze; “Star-Spangled Banner”.

    • Smokey, IMO, the “big picture” comment was referring to the map in TFTW. There is an obvious and blatant clue on that map of “the big picture”. It tells us where to go to start our search. It has to do with a central theme in most of FF’s interviews.
      NUFF SAID!
      – Box Turtle

  12. what if the Blaze is a light, a light you can see far off, but only if you stand in the right place will you to see it, like a rangers fire station, and being in the right place you shall look down and behold.

    • I was toying with the same general idea. i was thinking about how the position of the sun would strike a reflective surface and if there was any evidence in the poem that seemed to say you need to be in the right place at the right time to see it. I dont think its that complicated after thinking it over. I think the blaze or at least part of it could be a reflective object. you can polish bronze to a mirror finish. given his familiarity with bronze work I dont think it’s too much of a stretch to consider the blaze to be made of shiny bronze. just a thought

    • Dead on! This is what I believe. The timing and the right place. Looking in the correct direction, angle and so forth. Follow the poem in that order. None of it will make sense until stanza 2 is solved.

    • That’s possible, but the complication would be timing. The sun’s position in the sky is always moving throughout the day and year. So you’d have to likely go on the same day and time.

  13. I had an unusual dream a few days ago.

    I suspect many of us have dreams about Indulgence from time to time.
    There was a big beautiful blaze on the head of a horse. Now I know that this cannot be Forrest’s Blaze. However, the next thing I saw was a huge quartz outcropping that looked just like the blaze on the horse’s face.

    Who knows where dreams come from? 🙂

    • Hi SpecialKLR.

      “Who knows where dreams come from?”

      Dreams have been studied throughout history.

      In summary, a dream consists of three components – the past, the present and possibly, the future.

      Each component may be regetenced, but then again, only one component may be involved.

      What we see as an apple, could actually reflect a moment in time that actually was an orange. Or it could reflect a fruit of some sort in the future.

      As you can see, an interpretation requires analysis of the components and the subject matter and maybe even context of the dream.

      It is an interestungvsibject if you really want to learn about them.

      I would recommend the basics first and slowly expand your incestigation, just so you can better understand the meanings and connections.

      It can be quite a ride.

      Good luck.

      • My apologies for the typos above…I sent to soon.

        “Interesting subject”

        Again. My apologies.

      • Tim—

        Many dreams are schizophrenic in nature. Which makes me wonder whether schizophrenics think normally when they are dreaming?

      • HEY there Tim,

        Interesting you should post about actual dreams. In fact, I had one of those darke, weird ones the other day. I was in that movie Battleship, you know, the one about alien invaders just off the shores of Oahu. I really don’t remember much about the dream except the good news is they didn’t get me.

        Can someone out there please explain to me what triggers silly dreams like that? And why can’t I dream about important stuff, like say, that darn OMEGA, or the key word?

        Any way, thank you for the post.

        And this is for Lugnutz…….May the force be with you. |:-)


    • SpecialKLR… your dream is more correct than you know… at least in my solve it is… darned near perfect.

      a lot of what my solve is came from thoughts in the random night… and almost all have been confirmations and pieces to put this “CHASE” (puzzle) together

    • I don’t know who knows where dreams come from. They
      might be affected by what one has been “blazing” (smoking).
      I would be very surprised if the “blaze” turns out to be a
      huge quartz outcropping that looks just like the blaze on a
      horse’s face. In a few months, maybe we’ll know what the
      “blaze” is, if it’s found by someone who has been wise and
      that person is willing to share the info with us. All IMO.

  14. Someone posted a comment before saying something about the mammoth in the room. Perhaps unique Mammoth Springs can be the blaze(s). I have never been there so i can’t say for sure if [ it/they ] also may be considered as water high?

  15. The Blaze is in Colorful Colorado and it is the Sun!!!!!!! It’s taken me 5 years to figure that out.
    Ha ha whatever!!!!!!

  16. The “The Book of Blazes” has really taken off. I’m itching to share my rejected ‘blazes’ but am reluctant because I am still searching the same general area.
    It is interesting to see how others interpret the blaze.

    • I think it has to be smaller than that as it pinpoints the position of the chest by the instruction to look down and then you have the chest (if this is what ‘your quest to cease’ implies)

      • I agree Bal,
        The blaze has to be smaller and pinpoints the position of the chest. Not a clearing. I could stumble upon it there.

  17. I believe 100% that the blaze is a clue and 99% it’s the last clue seeing he has spoken about the 1st clue and the blaze on a few occasions.
    Forrest said: “Google Earth cannot help with the last clue.”
    Makes sense to me you will not be able to see the blaze using GE.

    • I believe the blaze can be seen using GE, and plan to post
      how the blaze looks (using GE) before the end of 2018.

      The above is my opinion.

      • I can’t wait to see your post how your blaze looks tighterfocus.
        You can do this now BTW here:

        I think the blaze is a personal thing which needs you to be there in person to see and not something that can be seen sitting in your chair looking at your screen.

        Hey, Forrest wanted to get people away from these devices and get out into the wilderness.

        Why would he choose a blaze that you can see from your couch on your device while eating a whole big bag of potato chips with chicken wings while drinking a diet coke?

        Just doesn’t make sense to me.

          • There are lots of things I don’t know or understand. However, I can personally guarantee that the blaze cannot be seen from Google earth. IMO of course but consider it fact.

          • Hello Sherif Billy. How is it that you can personally guarantee it cannot be seen by Google Earth? I realize you’ve added that it is your opinion, but stated consider it a fact.

    • Thank you for the kind thoughts. I am doing OK. My eye is healing slower than I thought from the retina surgery, but it is coming along. I hope that all is well with you and yours.


      Windy City

  18. I also believe that the blaze is visible on GE. I first heard (read) of this fantastic adventure today. After some quick analysis of the poem only, I pinpointed two locations that I believe promising. My plan is to read FF’s books and apply any clues within them to my theory. I will also peruse sites such as this for more info. This year, I hope, no – plan, to rely on “beginners’ luck”, and put this whole thing to rest.

    • Good luck and welcome to the chase.

      There is also a “Searcher’s Introduction” forum set-up to allow you to introduce yourself. Look for it on the side bars.

      Read them. There is some interesting people in the community.

      Best of luck and be safe.

      “Be the chest.”

  19. In September of 1889, Tazewell Woody (Theodore Roosevelt’s hunting guide), John H. Dewing (also a hunting guide) and I, found on the left side of Coulter Creek, some fifty feet from the water and about three quarters of a mile above the creek’s mouth, a large pine tree on which was a deeply indented blaze, which after being cleared of sap and loose bark was found to consist of a cross thus ‘X’ (some five inches in height), and, under it, the initials ‘J C’ (each some four inches in height).
    The blaze appeared to these trained hunting guides, so they stated to me, to be approximately eighty years old.
    They refused to fell the tree and so obtain the exact age of the blaze because they said they guessed the blaze had been made by Colter himself.

  20. Kelly- nice.
    and if you were standing, facing that piece of history blaze, looking in awe, and then looked quickly down, what would you see?

    you would see your own two feet.
    i think.

  21. The blaze is viewable by google earth in my opinion. I have a few doozies. But…..if this is true, then why did he say you can’t find the blaze without knowing where WWH? Or did he not say that? Can you find the end without the beginning? I’d love to know.

    • Here is a long question and quote from Forrtest:
      Mr. Fenn,

      “Over the past half-decade, your challenge for any cavalier spirit to find a valuable treasure chest hidden in the Rocky Mountains sparked a veritable gold rush of knowledge. Searchers endlessly immerse themselves in study of topics previously unknown to them hoping to gain an advantage in their quest. I would even go so far as to speculate that some have done more research in relation to the chest than some doctoral students do in completing a thesis.

      To be sure, there is value in wisdom. That value is then increased when wisdom is shared with others. Which is why I was hoping you might be willing to share a thought or two about something you’ve learned from searchers over the past five years. Whether related to geography, geology, history or even human nature, I’d love to hear if there’s been anything offered up by a searcher, or searchers, that enlightened you in some way.

      Hope all is well! ~ S&H

      Thanks for the question S&H.

      I learn something every day from those who are in the treasure hunt.

      What surprises me is that so many ignore the first clue in the poem. Without it all the searcher has is the memory of a nice vacation. Although many have tried, I doubt that anyone will find the blaze before they have figured out the first clue”. f

      Seems to say it all – JMO – JDA

      • He says he doubts it….not that its impossible. I would show you what I mean JDA…I know I know…conflict of interest. Sighhhhhh

        • Copper;

          Nothing is impossible, but when the man who wrote the poem says that he doubts that anyone will find the blaze before they have figured out the first clue – I believe him – but good luck to Ya’ – prove him wrong. Why not? – JMO – JDA

          • JDA-

            You are correct..IMO
            It cannot be seen from GE!!! Too much tree cover.

            Remember he said it doesn’t face N S E or W. Also he said when you see it…you will have no doubt… and say “THAT is the blaze.” (paraphasing f)

            When the deputy and I found what we believe to be the blaze….my first thought was…OMG he buried his dog Rusty there. The deputy instantly knew differently. She said “That is the blaze!” At that instant, I immediately knew she was right.

            All IMO


          • Sherif Billy

            “Buried” – interesting.

            Blaze = marker, as in grave marker? – Interesting – JDA

        • JDA-

          I’ll send you an interesting picture, if you want. If you are interested, have Dal send me you email address.

    • I think he said that because there are a lot of things in the Rockies that could be considered a blaze, and if you don’t have the correct WWWH, then you will not find the correct blaze.

  22. Copper

    I also believe the BLAZE can be seen by GE. Of course, there may be many such possible blazes in your search area. So, check them all out. In my area of interest, there are 2 possible blazes, and one of them is the one I think might be THE blaze. All in my humble opinion of course.


    • I like GE also
      Best option I’ve seen so far via GE is
      LM Wilderness – at Cache creek road & park car at end of road. Road looks like hanging noose.

      Near there are human placed 3 larger white rocks in a row
      (This to southeast of old vehicles parked in the trees in a circle almost. Look hard for these)

      Look under middle rock

      I feel that tc is near flatter place though. But certainly was fun to find old cars up there.

  23. Tom B on November 7, 2017 at 2:27 pm said:

    JD. That’s possible, of course, but I cannot reconcile that with Forrest’s statement about the path being certain. If the blaze cannot be identified until you are physically on-site,then how can your path be certain before you go? I think Forrest expects all of the clues to be solved, and their location on a map known, prior to going for the treasure.

    Tom B – I haven’t read further in the thread, so someone else may have pointed out that being certain of something is not the same as knowing ahead of time what you are looking for. One can know what to look for but not find it because they were certain it would be there, but it wasn’t. Being certain of where to look makes it easier to find the blaze, whether or not you know what that blaze looks like. Of course, knowing both that you are in the correct place and looking for the correct blaze helps the most.

    As of yet, I do not know what the blaze looks like, nor with certitude where to look. IMO.

    • “If the blaze cannot be identified until you are physically on-site,then how can your path be certain before you go?”

      IMO if a person is certain about everything else in the poem they should be able to find the blaze on site.

      • Aaron, Do you know if FF specifically said the blaze can’t be identified until you are physically on site, and/or that it can not be seen from a map or GE? I don’t remember reading that anywhere.

        • He didn’t say the blaze cannot be seen from GE. He said the last clue cannot be seen on GE. Up to you to determine what the last clue is.

          • IMO the blaze is not the last clue.

            I also believe the blaze cannot be seen “directly” from GE.

          • I remember reading awhile ago that a searcher gathered long ago from a conversation with Forrest that the Blaze was the last clue. That I think is how that idea got around. So who knows?

  24. For thought only…
    What if there are 9 clues that will lead you to the treasure, but only if you figure out the key word and the word that is key, which is additional information provided by the poem on top of the nine clues? What if the first two clues are all that exist before the blaze? What if the other 7 clues come AFTER the blaze? What if 9 clues is the truth but not the whole truth…food for thought.

    • what if there are more than nine clues? the man did not say “only” NINE! hmmmm

  25. I have observed that there seems to be two major camps of thought concerning the blaze: 1) when you arrive at it, Indulgence is very near by, or 2) when you arrive at the blaze, you’re at the last marked spot that leads you to the chest, but in fact does not “mark the spot” like a tombstone.

    In my opinion, if you are in the wood to pick up Indulgence, you already have a pretty good idea of what the blaze will be, and where on Earth it is to be found. That’s the certainty part that Mr. Fenn has enumerated a number of times.

    Whether or not you can see it from a certain vantage point seems to be a moot point, as you will know what to be looking for and you will simply be verifying that you solved the riddle. But I do not have Indulgence in my possession, so what do I know?

    • I believe there will be something special enough about the spot that it is in that you will get a sense you are in the right spot and thus find the blaze easily. The blaze could be one of the factors that makes the spot special as well.

  26. This will be my last comment on this blog.
    The blaze is the last clue.
    I can prove it by one of his hidden interviews but will not post it.
    Maybe Loco has this interview but I doubt it.
    By the time this interview surfaces, the blaze will be found right above the treasure.

    • Kraft,

      I am curious about these “hidden” interviews since I can’t find exactly what you are talking about but I did find this one:

      “People driving down the street looking for a blaze, because that’s one of the clues, but you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure.”

      This statement by Forrest seems to definitively imply that the verse #13;
      “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,” is indeed one of the clues however, it also seems to imply by the use of the phrase, “middle of the poem” that it’s NOT the last clue…

      Additionally, we know that verse #5; “Begin it where warm waters halt”
      is Clue #1 in the poem. For verse #13 to be Clue #9, it would mean that every line between verse #5 and #13 were successive clues or that individual verses contain more than a single clue…

      It is difficult to reconcile this with other Forrest Fenn comments from interviews and Jenny Kile’s Q&As:

      When looking at Stanza #2 how many clues? 3 or 4

      When looking at Stanza #3 how many clues? Looks like maybe 2

      Question posted 7/4/2014:

      You told a reporter that there are three or four clues in the second stanza. Were you telling the truth? ~Alison R
      Question posted 7/4/2014:
      You told a reporter that there are three or four clues in the second stanza. Were you telling the truth? ~Alison R

      “I don’t know what it is about girls but when I say something they automatically ask if I’m lying … … Sorry Alison, I’m off my soap box now. No, I was not lying but I don’t remember a reporter asking me such a question. f”

      “… … Sorry Alison, I’m off my soap box now. No, I was not lying but I don’t remember a reporter asking me such a question. f”

      For information only,


      • GCG…this is the beauty of the Chase. Personal interpretation is not always that of another. So many open ended comments and answers makes it hard to form a solid base to work from. My motto is/has been to take everything into consideration. I believe ambiguity is the standard…

      • “Begin it where warm waters halt” is Clue #1 in the poem.

        Most people believe that “Begin it where warm waters halt” is the first clue in the poem, based on the New Zealand Radio interview from 2013. But warm waters halt in the first stanza. I believe that “Begin it where warm waters halt” is the second clue.

      • GCG, the blaze can be the last clue and still be near the middle of the poem. If he said “the middle of the clues” your statement would be correct.

    • I only use one “handle” on this blog. This won’t be my last comment on this blog.

      OH! I should say something about the blaze. It won’t be
      found right above the treasure, but is within about .5 mile
      of it.

      The “above” is my opinion. Y’all’s may diFFer.

      • I am in agreement tighterfocus, although we could have very different locations in mind.

      • If your blaze faces North, South, East or West… have got the wrong blaze

        • Sherif Billy,

          I agree, the blaze faces to the stars and most likely can be seen using GE, unless trees covers the view. But in my case the blaze most definitely can be seen using GE.

          • Agree. Imo It is not obscured by trees but is very near. Getting from blaze to the hidey spot is the most difficult task imo.

  27. Hello searchers

    I am one of the few and the proud who is of the opinion that the blaze is where the treasure chest is located. Of course, I could be wrong, and I do admit that possibility.

    My search follows the poem very well, but my interpretations may not be to your liking. Nevertheless, I remain strongly on this side of the fence. Once I pass water high and heavy loads, there is a blaze which stands out, and I believe that is where the TC is located.

    I respect all and appreciate all opinions. Good fortune to all!


    • How far is the chest located from the blaze? ~ Casey

      Casey, I did not take the measurement, but logic tells me that if you don’t know where the blaze is it really doesn’t matter. If you can find the blaze though, the answer to your question will be obvious. Does that help? f (Mysterious Writings, Weekly Words from Forrest, May 13, 2016)

      This statement from Forrest makes me think the chest is very near the blaze, if not in the same spot. If you are able to find the correct blaze (admittedly a very big if), the treasure chest resting place should be obvious to you at that point. IMO. Franklin, I’m inclined to agree with you.

    • I agree Franklin. I’m convinced that the treasure is in close proximity to the blaze. Look quickly down your quest to seek, seems clear to me.

  28. Hi all! Where does it come from that the blaze should stand the test of time for so many years? I’ve read about 100, sometimes 1000 or even 10000 years from now in this blog… is there a quote? Is this really a fact?
    I’d be glad to know…

    Cheers, TLo

  29. TLo, I think this is what you’re looking for (from Jenny Kile’s site). It implies the blaze might last 100 years, but likely not 1000:

    “Question posted 6/25/2014:

    Q: Hi,
    Did the same 9 clues exist when you were a kid and to your estimation will they still exist in 100 years and 1000 years?
    Thanks ~Ron

    A: Thanks Ron, thoughtful questions
    The clues did not exist when I was a kid but most of the places the clues refer to did. I think they might still exist in 100 years but the geography probably will change before we reach the next millennia. The Rocky mountains are still moving and associated physical changes will surely have an impact. If you are in the year 3,009 it will be more difficult for you to find the treasure.f

    • Thank you, Pinatubocharlie and Muset! I’ve known both, the tarryscant-site and this quote, but here’s my problem with it…

      “The clues did not exist when I was a kid but MOST OF THE places the clues refer to did. I THINK THEY MIGHT still exist in 100 years but the geography probably will change before we reach the next Millennia…”

      Both highlighted parts of this quote definitely don’t make a fact… “Most places” means that probably not all places did exist when he was a kid. “I think they might still exist in 100 years” is speculation but not a fact…

      The rest of the quote is pure humour! 🙂

      All I wanted to say is… from what I’ve read in this blog, many searchers are very obsessed with the idea that the blaze has to be something strong and big that will definitely be there in thousands of years. IMHO this is wrong! In case these facts are based on this special quote the only fact is, that it is wrong…

      That’s why I was asking for a quote that proves this so called fact. Maybe there are others? tarryscant does not help as far as I was able to investigate…

      All the best, stay safe and good luck! TLo

      • TLo,

        Facts that move you or any searcher “closer” to the treasure are in short demand…Many of the ideas discussed or believed by long time searchers attempts to draw the most reasonable/plausible conclusions (often using inductive versus deductive thinking) based on the confluence of Forrest Fenn remarks /writings.

        I don’t know if its possible to convince you of the Blazes enduring nature but I’ll attempt too using summations of Forrest Fenn’s own words:

        — Is the blaze one object? In a word, yes.
        — Is the blaze movable? Possible yes but not feasible.
        — The blaze is one of the clues.
        — If you knew the geographical location of each clue, it would be a map to the treasure.
        — If you follow the 9 consecutive clues they will lead you precisely to the treasure.
        — [Following the clues in order] There is no other way to find the treasure.
        — The treasure could be found in 100 years or a 1000 years but it will be harder in a 1000 years since some geographical features might change.
        — It might take 900 yeas for some one to figure out the clues in the poem.
        — Of the 4 elements of nature, which is the treasure most susceptible too? I don’t think the earth can hurt it, Wind might, who knows when it comes to fires – When it comes to nature, I try not to be absolute.
        — I tried to think of everything… …

        Now I believe you have heard most of these before however I put them in this order to paint a clear picture or logic structure from the person who designed and hid a treasure chest thinking that people could be hunting for it fairly long into the future before figuring out the clues. The clues (all of them are geographical in nature) and Forrest isn’t claiming they are absolute but he does seem to believe with some amount of confidence that these features short of something pretty unexpectedly catastrophic, will endure into the feature accurately enough that some one half a millennium in the future (if they figured them out precisely) could locate his treasure using those very same geographical features…

        What do you think?


        • Was the Q really “is the blaze movable?”
          I thought the Q was in reference to “removable”….i.e., it is possible to remove the blaze but it is not feasible to remove the blaze…for example, if the blaze is on a very large object — whatever that may be — it may be possible to deface the blaze, such that it no longer looks anything like the blaze and is, therefore, arguably removed but the act of defacing it may not be feasible under the circumstances (requires something that you would not have in your possession)

      • Concur with GCG. I’m confident the blaze has been around for a very long time, and likely will endure long past the lives of anyone perusing Dal’s website.

        Let me expand on one of GCG’s bullet points above and give you the reference — it’s from Nine Clues part 31, and was a message posted by Forrest in the comments section as “forrestfenn” on 9/26/2014 at 4:06 pm:

        “I had an enjoyably visit with Tom and his brother at the Downtown Subscription Coffee Shop in Santa Fe. They seemed like nice guys and avid treasure hunters. But there is confusion somewhere. While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there.”

        This statement alone rules out a blaze on a tree (for instance). Such a blaze could be easily removed. It rules out a simple rock cairn; I think you’d have to agree that it eliminates from consideration almost anything small. It also precludes the impossibly large — for instance the sun. The sun IS surely impossible to remove.

        The only example of something small that I could think of that wouldn’t be impossible to remove, but (legally) infeasible would be a USGS survey marker. Removable, yes, but big-time illegal to do so.

        • Zap;

          You say, “This statement alone rules out a blaze on a tree (for instance). Such a blaze could be easily removed.” Can you please tell me how you would remove a blaze on a tree? If it is just a place where the bark has been removed, all you can do is remove more bark. Do you think it is an “F” or “FF” carved on the bark, Forrest has already eliminated that by pointing out to a reporter an “F” that he carved onto an aspen, that was just a blur only a few years later – so the “Mark” on the tree would have to be pretty big wouldn’t it – so we are back to my beginning statement. – How would you go about REMOVING a blaze from a tree.

          Not sure it is possible, and certainly not easy – JMO – JDA

          • JDA,
            Few trees live 500 years. Also marks on trees can endure for sometime, but are too susceptible (IMO) in nature (i.e. normal forest fires, normal rot decay factors like insects, animals, lichens, molds etc) — to be used by Forrest into the far future – even if he chose to “tar” them…

          • GCG;

            I agree – the blaze is probably NOT a mark on a tree. I was just questioning Zap’s assertion that if a blaze was on a tree, that it could easily be removed. JDA

          • JDA,

            Here’s a quote by Forrest that I love:

            IF you don’t think I hid it there, then I probably didn’t.

            Or something like that.

            Often I put myself in Forrest shoes and ask myself the questions and suppose I too were going to hide a multi-million dollar treasure with the intent that it could cause people for the next 1000 years to get out there and hunt for it because I had designed it so well that it was still possible. How could I achieve that end?

            And if I’ve thought of it – Forrest probably thought of it. Because the mountains, the forest and the river beds are his temple…

          • GCG;

            I have not yet found the treasure, but I assure you, the more that you learn about where it just might be, and the more that you unravel the riddles, the more you will be astounded by the genius of the poem and the chase. All I can say is W O W !

            JMHO – A Salute to Forrest – JDA

          • W O W JDA!
            I know what you mean even though we are searching in different states.
            Time will tell ALL.

          • is it not possible that defacing the blaze, such that it is no longer recognizable as a blaze relevant to TTOTC, is equivalent to removing the blaze?

          • While I don’t think I think the blaze is carved into a tree I did find this interesting arborglyph when I acted on Forrests’ suggestion (OUAW) to visit the Fred Harmon Museum in Pagosa Springs. The linked story tells exactly how one might remove a blaze. I am confident that Forrest knows of this particular “blaze” carved by Kit Carson into an ancient Aspen tree. Several other items of interest to searchers and “others” are on display in the museum also. My dad was a scout leader at Philmont for several summers; apparently “KC” was a prolific grafitti artist and those “blazes” were well over 100 years old when my dad found them. I hope the link works.


        • Nice Zap, I agree with your thought on this matter.
          I will add the blaze may be a rock formation created by Mother Nature or some type of scar on a rock formation. Be care careful when Forrest uses the word “may”.

          • JDA,

            WE are in complete agreement on this!
            The poem – no matter how hard I have worked to figure it out – doesn’t come close to what it took to craft it!

            Even though I know my solve isn’t the product of confirmation bias and the clues have provided me with the precise location, I keep in the forefront of my mind, my long dead great great great uncle Samuel Clemens:

            “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.”

            So in that vain, I continue to pour over and squeeze out of the poem, all of its secrets and to the end, nearly everyday I discover some other nuance of it, that was most likely done intentionally (or at least with awareness afterwards) by Forrest.

            Really amazing piece of work.


        • To answer your question, JDA, removing a blaze from a tree is easy: chop it out if it’s a letter, symbol, pictogram, what-have-you. Easy-peasy. Certainly “feasible” to use Forrest’s word, and far from impossible. Therefore, it’s wrong.

          Likewise, nothing hard about chopping down a tree. But all of this is just idle chit-chat: the blaze, IMO, cannot be a mark on a tree. It would be idiotic. Forrest thought of everything, and certainly forest fires would have been included in his calculus.

          • How about a ‘diamond bit chipped\carved’ FF on a petrified tree?

            I’m just kidding. Wink.

            No one would\could mark a petrified tree most likely. They could arrange bits of it perhaps in a noticeable pattern though. Like a marble game w circle, for instance. That could last 1000 years possibly.

    • the starting point is an element that cannot sustain any geographical changes within a 1000 years, not even an inch!
      Not too difficult to guess!!!

      • I strongly disagree. WWWH COULD be a stream or creek, and its course could easily change over time, but as long as it remained within a few hundred feet or so, it would not affect the poem – It would still be WWWH – JMO – JDA

  30. It helps to know something about Rocky Mountain geography when making plans to search for my treasure. Rocking chair ideas can lead one to the first few clues, but a physical presence is needed to complete the solve. Google Earth cannot help with the last clue.

    Mr. Fenn,

    Which direction does the Blaze face? North, South, East or West? Curious. Foxy

    I didn’t take a radial off of the blaze Foxy. I’m thinking it may not be any of those directions. f

    So what have we learned? Google Earth cannot help with the last clue, which is probably the “Blaze”, but a good map?….Maybe? Now you geniuses what on a map does not face NSEW?



  31. 9 clues, the first is known to be Where warm waters halt, the last is also related to the first IMO, That is “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze”.

    There are 7 clues left and 7 colors in the Rainbow, now how do we make Brown work? Understand the significance of the First and Last Clue.

    The point of WWWH is Geographically simple, water halts at 32 degrees, which is the border of New Mexico, Old Mexico and Texas at the RIo Bravo, the latitude and longitude of my blaze is printed on it, and it reads 180. Supreme Court of the United States engraved in Bronze. It is exact and the view of this Marvel Gaze is unbelievable.


    • I like the idea of 7 colors of light, but warm waters are not 32°F. Granted, some say warm water freezes faster than cold, but that’s still a far, far distance to be too far to walk to get North of Santa Fe. Were you able to identify all the other colors I the clues? Lastly, if the blaze is located in Santa Fe, and it close to the court house, why is that a special place to Forrest, and why would he go there to die?

  32. Just curious if anyone has discussed the two Q’s found so close together in one sentence and no where else in the poem? “Look quickly down your quest to cease”. I’ve always found this interesting. Almost like two quacks from a duck. Any ideas?

    • I have never noticed but that’s where the real hard work begins (imo)….getting from blaze to treasure.

      • They say that the hardest part of a race is the last few inches – The distance between winning and losing – JDA

      • If as Forrest says that to look quickly down when standing and facing the blaze you are standing on the treasure, this is indeed true…

      • MC Bell,

        I hope not… Forrest said that he can’t imagine a serious hunter getting with in a few paces from the treasure and NOT finding it!

        I don’t think its going to be easy so we’ve packed sandwiches…


      • Hello Muset. With your thought of anagrams being involved to solve the poem, do you believe the treasure chest would have been found by the earlier searchers?

        • Hi pdenver,

          There are 24 of them and they take a long time each to get correct with lots of BOTG. It’s easy to get one wrong and go off in the wrong direction.

          I doubt more than a handful of searchers ever tried to make 24 anagrams from the poem. That suits me fine, of course.

  33. In my opinion, the Blaze is obviously the correct Blaze when you find it. No question about it. HOB is just about as simple, IMO. The toughest clue, again IMO, is WWWH. That one threw me for a doozy. Then, I remembered what f said in an interview and voila. I must agree with f that most places WWWH are north of Santa Fe.
    Of course, this comment sounds like many others, you know filled with confidence and ego of an ignoramus. I’m not trying to be arrogant. Keep in mind that f says that solving the clues gets easier the further along you get (or words to that effect). I tend to see WWWH a little differently now that I’ve come full circle. He may agree. Maybe I’m wrong, but… Maybe I’m right. Maybe I’m somewhere in between.
    I wish all safe travels. Pack accordingly and we’ll see you all on and off the trails.

    • Slurbs,
      Do you mind if I ask which state you are searching in? In fairness sake I will tell that I am searching Colorado.

  34. I believe that when you are clear on where the treasure is (within a few hundred feet), you will know what to look for that will constitute the blaze. You may not know with exact precision where the treasure is, but you will know with certainty what the blazes you are looking for. And I also believe you will not be traipsing up miles of creek hoping to see it. You will be quite certain of a very small area in which to look, and I expect you will see it quickly once there.

    • Julie,
      I agree, once you’re at the blaze & look quickly down, what you see then is undeniable. I also believe that the poem absolutely tells us what to look for & how to get there. My blaze does point to a small group of trees & I believe Indulgence is waiting there. I’m back in the States now, my mom’s heart surgery is today, so please keep her in your thoughts everyone. This trip home to be with my mom has taken the place of my treasure hunt, I could only afford one trip. Little Ms. Indulgence will be resting awhile longer it seems.

      • Birdie, I hope your Mom’s surgery was successful & sending wishes that she has a speedy recovery. My Mom had a double by pass several years ago, I know how difficult and scary that can be.

        • KK,
          Thank you so much for your thoughts & kind words. I pleased to say my mother is doing better than expected & I hope to be leaving Emory & taking her home on Wednesday. She made the medical books with this one, she goes big, I tell ya! Lol The condition is so rare they did it for free, thank the gods! Thanks again!

      • Some things in life are worth more than treasure. Time with people you love is one of them; for some, it’s already too late for treasure to buy.

        The more you spill, the more I get the feeling we may have sighted the same blaze (as have plenty of other folks I’m sure). Why a [cluster of trees] over a [combo of other features, only one of which is a tree] though? (don’t answer if you still plan to search this year)

        I still hope you find it at your spot, and I suspect someone will piece together your generosity too easily if you keep spilling. If we see the same (I didn’t actually need a keyword for my solve, just some simplistic guessing to line up clues to blazes and wwwh), then what you have said already is enough for someone to search your spot this summer.
        I think there are a lot fewer possibilities if I line up your generosity to blazes than if I line up ff’s altitude window, creek, and hoB to blazes.

        -neither green nor blue

        • a grue,
          Good luck with your search! I know I’ve been very generous & I hope it does help others. I believe that whoever finds it, is suppose to have it. I do have to admit you have me a bit worried. Care to share which state you believe it to be in? If not I understand,

          • I have no intention of going there myself as I mentioned, to me a chance of the treasure isn’t worth it, though I would like to see this chase conclude in the next couple of years (my estimate was 10 years from when people started searching seriously). I was really hoping you would find it this summer as your comment made me look past the blaze. I was planning to spill my solve if you didn’t find it after searching this summer. As for the state:

            If I wanted a home where the buffalo roam,

            And the neighbors are really far away…

            Anyway state rings true to the William and Mary Goodwin (1904) version of Home on the Range (why did people want to put graceful white swans and not Rocky Mountains in there anyway?!).

          • I know its been theorized that the blaze was on private property so I did some research (gis is nice) centered on the blaze I was looking at. Turns out the blaze I was looking at is on private property but the lotlines are odd (maybe people just like owning water rights a lot) and there’s a swath of public land that cuts across it with several hills from which the blaze would be visible and points of interest in that swath that might well be good hidey spots (but barely any wood anywhere near those hills). Anyway it just makes me more convinced that it’s a good blaze.
            Still rooting for ya Bird i

            -neither green nor blue

    • I think something similar…Just a newb to this stuff, but it’s fun….it’s like to me, the blaze is the ‘x marks the spot’ point. That immediate notification that you’ve found it, with no further searching necessary because of his use of the word ‘quickly’, which I thought to mean it’s directly below the blaze/marking on a rock or tree maybe….Still though, you have to believe, if the ‘drop off’ point is accesible from a typical sedan styled car, and was obviously within walking distance for an 80 year old in two trips, that it’s also very possible people may have inadvertantly been in the vicinity unknowingly in recent years….although now you just hope they don’t say ‘hey, this kinda looks like it could be where so and so hid that treasure’, whilst unknowingly skipping clues 1-8 LOL.

  35. What I believe is that being wise and finding the blaze, although related, are two different things!

  36. ” Some great objects just stand out above everything else.” /f
    last line page 65 OUAW

  37. Kinda curious what everyone’s thoughts are on the placement of clues in the poem. We know that WWWH is the first clue, but Fenn never said that there aren’t clues in the first stanza or everything after the blaze. Could it be that are not linear? He said they are contiguous, but that might not mean that they come after each other, but adjacent or neighboring.

    The lines like “So hear me all and listen good” and “If you are brave and in the wood” seem like clues that might help find the blaze.

    • Hi Chris — on different occasions, Forrest has said the clues are contiguous and that they are consecutive. In the latter case, there is the Lorene Mills interview from 5/13/2011 where he said, “Well, in my book there’s a poem, like I said. And there are nine clues in the poem. And the clues are in consecutive order.” Assuming no misspeaks on Forrest’s part, this means there are no clues in the first stanza.

      • Thanks. It could be consecutive and loop back around though. It’s possible why searchers have been so close, but couldn’t find the chest.

        • I am of the school of thought that every line offers something. It may not be one of the “nine” but don’t fail to utilize their aid in deciphering the actual nine.

      • Zap- yes, no clues in the first stanza….the first stanza is more like a billboard to me, advertising the place he went alone and with donated treasures bold.

        i think.

    • First hint could be
      ‘Gone alone’ minus one = GAL
      Or ‘where there b old old
      Or ‘riches where there will’ (my fantasy favorite I wish it was)
      Or Montezuma (riches old and new. Old Mexico & New Mexico)

      Or ‘hear me all… ‘brave and in the wood’ where it is at
      Such as
      Echo near Ghost ranch – smile ugly girl ( well she wasn’t ugly though)
      Echo canyon in other states or amphitheater

      But ‘begin’ Sounds like a starting place once in right area.

      And could be a loop like measuring with chain links in past. Being near where you started but can only be seen from loop direction. Or a hole in rock wall which you look out through & see treasure chest near trail you just came up.

      Just my humble opinions though.
      Good luck.

    • For me, clue lines are: 5,6,9,13,16,17,20,22,24. With the ‘key” in line 9. “A word that is key” line 17.
      Clue lines plus the key line equal the “Book of Days”.

    • I recall FF saying that people should not ignore the first stanza. People talk “clues” v “hints”. IMHO, clues lead you to the treasure, hints help you confirm your path (or can point you in the general direction of a clue.) I have a solve I will be acting on later this year. I have all the clues solved, and I can see a lot of hints, in the poem and also in TTOTC.

      So, for me, yes, a line like — “Hear me all and listen good” should not be ignored, but the question is: is that line a clue or a hint? (For me, it is a hint – it works as a confirmation of my solve, but it was not an essential clue that lead me to where I believe the chest is located,)

      Elsewhere, I said I have become fascinated with the concept of Confirmation Bias. I have read people’s posts where they are doing all sorts of things to “confirm” their solve: from numbers games, to lining up illustrations to maps, to bringing in obscure historical references. In addition, it seems that TTOTC has “too many clues” — for just about any solve you can return to the text and point to something and cry “hint!” I have tried hard to avoid that trap.

  38. If you just came UP a creek to a blaze and are told to look DOWN, in a lot of cases down is back toward the way you came. That’s probably fine with the whole sequence of going down the canyon and up the creek where the treasure is not far from the beginning, but too far to just walk straight to it, but what if it isn’t part of the zigzag:

    While it could be that ff wants you to see a blaze because it is so marvelous and then head back downward, there is a case where you would look away from whence you came:
    If the blaze is at a peak/ridge looking down could put u looking forward but down; your marvel gaze would be that view over the ridge/peak earned by climbing up a creek. Hoping this narrows down the blaze in some blazey areas to make one stand out.

    -neither green nor blue

  39. I’ve been thinking about a question and response about the blaze from Mysterious Writings June 2014. Question to Forrest from Becky: “Can the blaze be pre-determined by the poem or can it only be determined at the search area?”. Response from Forrest: “Becky, you are a rascal to ask that question and I have been sitting here for about fifteen minutes trying to decide what to say. Well, it has been thirty minutes now and I think i’ll pass on the question.”

    My analysis: knowing that Forrest is motivated to getting people to explore the outdoors, he would naturally be inclined to say that the blaze can only be determined on-site, as opposed to being determined at home. To me, then, his non answer is indicating that the blaze CAN be pre-determined from the poem.

    • I agree and it’s why wise and ‘dancing with the stars’ anagram – chest at handwritings.

      But once again I believe handwritings has lots of meanings such as signature, letter, symbols, ochre hand print, poem, etc.

      • Copperhead,
        Douglas Preston said Forrest is the master of the double entendre.

        In the poem “wise” has at least two definitive meanings; one literal and one figurative.

        On a literal level “wise” means to be alert to or aware of the “Blaze”

        Forrest has said (paraphrasing), he doesn’t believe a serious searcher can come with in a few paces (approx. 12’) and not find the treasure chest.

        In my opinion the physical blaze marks the spot of treasure or reveals the final location (“found”) – where a searcher will need to understand “the last [clue] one” in order to reveal how it is hidden, such that it’s impossible to accidentally discover. Google Earth (GE) certainly can not help you with this! It is my belief that as GE has improved throughout the years since he hid “Indulgence” that it is possible the “blaze” has become visible using GE. I have multiple reasons for believing this not the least of which is how his comments have evolved a bit over the last 8 years…

        Then there is the figurative meaning of “wise” “found” and “blaze” – the second meanings!

        Many people have mentioned how some of Forrest’s comments seem to have what may appear as “conflicting” meanings… I am not in this camp (Forrest isn’t perfect but he gets far more correct than he has errors). Therefore I believe this is mostly due to the dual nature of the poem and it’s required multiple interpretation thus Forrest comments regarding the idea that the person who will find the treasure, is the person who can move fluidly between these two levels of interpretation…


        • GCG,

          You continue to make a whole lot of sense…and it is not lost on me that GCG is only one letter off of each fbf (Forrest B. Fenn). But then again, ff is not nearly that eager to get “this over with,” right?

        • Hi GCG Thank you for your thoughtful and very reasoned opinion.

          In my kind of thinking, I’m a nerd mind you, ‘Wise, could be layered such as 3 wise men who followed the star = wise could be layered as a star, in other words.

          (And what is Forrest fishing for on cover of new OIAW book? Stars.)

          Therefore, In my artist nerdy thinking, it is too coincidental for Forrest to tell us to read poem over and over THEN read the book. And when I’m filtering ‘wise’ into 3 wise men and further into star…then further thinking about where he mentions ‘star’ in the TTOTC book…then it is easy for me to distill star into ‘dancing with the stars’ reference in book as being where star was mentioned …
          which those exact letters in ‘dancing with the stars’,when rescrambled, = chest at handwritings.

          Coincidence or extremely unusual happenstance?

          I choose (my humble opinion) to believe it is too coincidental to ignore in my chase. But ok for others to ignore of course.

          Also, Fenn tells us to think. If I take a word literally there is no thinking for me.
          But if I think about, for instance, “canyon down” then Canyon could be Steve Canyon and down can mean blue (depressed) or down could be feathers like a goose or hen, or down could be south, or as in TTOTC book Forrest says down main is north of his house.
          But these are Just my very humble ‘thinkings’ which are worth about the same as a $3 dollar bill.

          Forrest also said a blaze has many meanings and is why he chose that word. So I have to explore all non-literal possibilities of the words in the poem. But I’m probably wrong in my musings.

          (I’m an artist and creativity is my life…so questioning with ‘what if’ is a must for me.
          I teach that opinions are like choices when eating at a buffet. No food is right for everyone…nor wrong for everyone. But buffet food is usually right for the ones choosing the food. And sometimes, on advice, we eat what they suggest and it’s suprisingly good. So while I’m always open to other’s opinions … it’s ok if others don’t feel the same way about mine. I’m always a happy camper.)

          • Coppertop,

            I believe that your kind of thinking is great for brainstorming and for collecting in ones own mind a large swathe of possible interpretations however at some point all these ideas need to coalesce into a single coherent solve — not just a beautiful list of creative imaginings…

            Time is of the essences!


          • Cooperhead–

            IMO- You are correct. WISE refers to the three wise men. Those three wise men are the three stars of Orion’s belt. Using their alignment on a special day of the year, gives you a vector. That vector was very special to the ancient indian astronomers. IMO the treasure is also on that vector. Remember Mr. F said if you were to divide the government land by the population of the country, everyone owns 2.0855 acres. Maybe that’s a clue. IMO

            1 F Billy

        • GCG- double entendre indeed. but youve tackled the wrong word i think. chest is the word to study.
          there’s chest and,
          there’s treasure chest.

          double entendre. and a world of difference.
          me thinks.

    • You have said to read the poem and read TTOTC to help solve for the 9 clues. We all know there are many options to choose from regarding, Brown, hoB, wwh, and blaze hinted at in the book. My question is, “In the book, do you also, in a more subtle way, tell which is the correct answer to one or all of the above?” ~BW
      No I don’t madam, sorry. f
      Pretty much says it right there. CANNOT be pre-determined from the poem. In fact, there is no correct answer, so it must be found BotG.

      • Charlie,
        IMO this is not correct. Forrest says; its all there in the poem for all to see.

        You do need to understand the context of the search though. You have to know that the treasure is hidden somewhere north of Santa Fe in the Rocky mountains. That’s it!

        This is enough context with the poem for it to be solved correctly.

        Many people have gone into elaborate ideas concerning a couple Jenny Kile Q&A’s, BUT if you look closely at them — all that matters is the context from TTOTC, of the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe…

        Everything else is speculation.


  40. rapala67–

    Have Dal send me your email and I’ll send it to you.

    Best regards;


    • Thanks Billy
      That solstice for Native Americans was very important in prehistoric societies. In some, like at Chaco, a stream of solstice light would align with a spot on a rock or on a cliff etc. (This changes slightly over hundreds of years, according to what Some scientists say, as Russia creeps almost 1 foot a year toward the North Pole.)

      I would love the romance of a blazing piece of light shining on a particular cliff, then look down below where it shines and chest is below, but likely won’t be the case. However, not going to rule anything out cause I like it!

      Thanks again Billy. : )

  41. IMO the blaze is the correct path to the chest. which you have found by solving the clue’s correctly.which i think , leads to the top of a water fall. where you look down, for a ledge where the chest sits.

  42. I believe the picture of Fenn on the inside back cover of TTOTC reveals an important clue about the Blaze. Check out the artwork directly behind him in that photo. Sorry I can’t say more without revealing too much, but just wanted to put it out there.

    Good luck to all!

  43. If near a river, I’d look for a high water marked bank with trees above, perhaps, and the bank looks similar to forrest’s Pineapple fence. But a natural feature of course. Roots perhaps interweaves diagonally with dirt.
    I’ve seen similar in southwest areas.
    It’s possible the blaze is near this feature.

    What could be better than a $10,000 bill inside chest that features Chase which is shown in OUAW book…in or ‘below’ a ‘bank’ of a river?

    All waters halt at a bank or beach, right?
    It’s serendipitous…I like it.

  44. JIMHO:

    The poem will take you to a certain place, correct?

    Imagine that this place has only gray stones and yellow sand.

    What would be a single “black” stone right in the middle of it all?

    Blaze !!!

    Something that should not be there. That draws attention.

    So speculating does not help.

    Get ready to find something out of the ordinary in the environment.

    Something your eyes do not expect to see there.

    So as you reach a plain, any depression or elevation will be perceived.

    Or in an erosion, any straight plane will be noticed.

    “I do not know anythings yet.”

  45. Wish there was a thread on what we WISH a blaze could be.
    If so I’d choose:
    Grapette bottle
    A rolled up buffalo hide covered in ochre
    One of Forrest’s bells or jars
    Clovis projectile point
    Petrified hollowed tree
    Old BB gun
    A place between rock fins
    A cave dwelling which hasn’t ever been excavated
    Below pictograph of frog, owl or dragon fly
    A signed rock
    Fishing stuff (well he did say he wanted to take his riches with him, right?

  46. FF has stated that the Blaze can only be recognized in relation to the clue or clues that precede it. This is what he meant when he said it is pointless to go looking for the Blaze without having found the other clues first (and follow them in consecutive order), because “there are a billion blazes.” So we must infer from this that there is nothing particularly special or dramatic about the Blaze. It only becomes recognizable if we are following the clues in order.

    I think it’s also important to remember that a blaze serves a purpose. It doesn’t just exist in and of itself, without a reason.

  47. Another one for your list:
    “The Masonic Blazing Star, not to be confused with the 5-Pointed Star,”
    even though it does have five points, it is not the pentagram.
    As mentioned in a post above “There are a Billion of them”. Or, as Carl Sagan said “Billions and Billions”.
    To different cultures a five pointed star has represented different planets, stars, and gods (small g). And one stripper. Don’t go down that rabbit hole.
    Just add this star to your list of possible blazes.

    • A star would be brilliant.
      Mr. Fenn is a brilliant man.
      Something to think about.

      • Or a triangle with a dot in the center, like the Benchmark Maps emblem on the poem/map pull out page in TFTW.

  48. well since so very few searchers are paying attention to me i have hired the actor Sam Elliott to voice over my comments…..

    when you are ready, Mr. Elliott,

    Sam Elliott- ” the blaze is feet.”

    now you believe me?
    sounds convincing doesnt he?

    Sam Elliott- “pay me bird.”

    sure sam, no prob.

  49. The blaze is specific, and can be determined from the poem exclusively. If you haven’t solved the blaze at home, you will not find it in the field, and by extension, will not find the treasure.

    My opinion only. No disrespect of anyone’s search efforts is intended.

    • Tom
      It’s interesting you say the blaze can be solved at home … why?
      You may recall Becky’s Q&A… which is a mind blower to me. Not the question so much as the time fenn spent not to answer.
      And sure, we have the Q&A; how many clues can be solved at home? All of them, in theory, but not in practice…

      But I always think of Becky’s question, and fenn deliberately posting it with a none answer, yet told us it took 30 mins not to.

      • Using Google Maps or Google Earth, the Blaze can be clearly seen. In fact, that is the only way to recognize the Blaze, IMO. Fenn is a pilot, so geographical features as seen from up above are a familiar frame of reference for him.

        • Joe, IMO you are 100% correct! When Fenn was asked “is the blaze one single object” he replied “in a word yes it is” IMO it’s one single object made up of multiple objects. IMO once you have gotten to the blaze the last stanza leads you to the hiding spot “in the wood”. IMO “If you’re brave and in the wood” directs you to the treasure. IMO If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, look quickly down, your quest to cease…IMO when you look down you will find the part about being brave and then it’s in the wood. IMO you cross the body of water and it’ in the wood. I will be up at 6:00am (7 1/2 hours) heading up to see if my solve works. IMO if you have read the book you should be able to solve the poem. This is my 5th time driving 1400 miles one way since March 23rd. It takes my 58 year old bones around 5 hours to hike the almost 2 miles in the snow one way but I got here early today and seen that the snow is gone from my search area so that should cut down on hiking time IMMENSELY!!! All my BOTG trips is either going to pay off 4/28/18 or I’m done. I guess time will tell… Pssssttttt, Dal, IMO if it’s not there I plan on taking pictures and sending them to Forest of the area, that’s how confident I am. The only thing left is to once again walk to the blaze, get brave again and dig into that frozen stump!!! SHAZAMMMM!!!!!!! IMO I could be 100% WRONG so keep your fingers crossed peeps……………tbc

      • Fenn wants people to get outdoors and enjoy nature while searching for the treasure. If he were to admit that there is no chance to find the treasure without solving the poem through to the blaze, this defeats his purpose of getting people outside. But, the one that finds the treasure will have solved the poem through the blaze and will be able to go directly to it. And, I say yes, the clues up toand including the blaze can be solved, must be solved, in order to find the treasure.

  50. BLAZE = MARK = SIGN.
    Word history and synonyms.
    FF said he looked up the meanings of words so he could have used “blaze” as it is a synonym of mark and mark is a synonym of sign.

        Great song….I smiled throughout the entire video.
        I like the indie vibe, old cars and original form of the home movie back-in-the-day.
        Very nice.
        I’ll be singing that tune in my head the rest of the day. Many thanks.

  51. Deno is correct. We I hope he is not correct. It is an object made of more than one object. It’s a Red, Green & Black piece of pie and tastes like an Oreo.

    “Kettle Corn” REMEBER “Kettle Corn”

  52. I have been involved in the search for around 2 1/2 years and have read close to all of the scrapbooks, posts, and done tons of research, etc., and I have come to think, IMO, that the blaze is not something we find, but something we CREATE. This would fit with everything that Forrest has said about the blaze. I think that we need to find the first clue, then the next, then the next, and draw a line from one to the other, on a map, which will create a pattern (a BLAZE) which will then have an X marks the spot so to speak. It makes sense. Forrest said when asked if the blaze could be seen on GE, “in a word, yes.” He can’t explain that you need to draw it yourself on GE, so the best answer he could say is, in a word, yes. He has said that if you do not start at the first clue and go from there that you might as well stay home and play canasta. This would fit too, because if you are DRAWING the blaze then you HAVE to have the pattern to find the spot, so there is no way you could “find” the blaze if you do not start at the first clue and create the blaze.

    • KathyW – I like this kind of thinking – thanx for sharing! For myself, I wonder if the word “trace” would better describe what we will be doing as searchers in the wood, as we will be following what Mr. Fenn has already “drawn”.

      • Hi swwot, welcome! Good point, although we wouldn’t actually be tracing, because if we were, that would mean that we know where Forrest went, and therefore, someone would have already found the treasure!

    • Kathy, I’ve had that same theory. In fact I conducted a search based on it. The end is ever drawing nigh to me meant the line we are drawing is coming to an end. Once you draw the X you have found the blaze, and look quickly down at a map.

      It didn’t work as I was using a structure for HoB but I still like the strategy as a possibility.

    • Hi KathyW: a correction to your post — “Forrest said when asked if the blaze could be seen on GE, “in a word, yes.”

      You are mixing two quotes together, and getting the wrong answer as a result. One question was, “Is it possible to locate the treasure chest without ever leaving your computer and Google Earth?” Forrest’s answer: “No, it isn’t. Did I really say that? There is no picture of the treasure chest on Google Earth. Was that your question?”

      “Yeah, I think that will suffice.”

      ff: “Because Google Earth doesn’t go down far enough.”

      The “In a word yes” answer was in response to Scout Around’s (aka Diggin Gypsy’s) question “Is the blaze one single object?”

      So the blaze appears to be a single object, and it can’t be seen on Google Earth.

      • Hi Zap,

        I am interested in your take on the quotes above. In your last sentence, you stated ” So the blaze appears to be a single object, and it can’t be seen on Google Earth.”

        I didn’t take the same information away from that Q and A on the Blaze.

        “Is it possible to locate the treasure chest without ever leaving your computer and Google Earth?”

        Forrest’s answer: “No, it isn’t. Did I really say that? There is no picture of the treasure chest on Google Earth. Was that your question?”

        “Yeah, I think that will suffice.”

        ff: “Because Google Earth doesn’t go down far enough.”

        I understand from that the Blaze is “in a word” a “single object”. But what I don’t take away from this is that the Blaze can not be seen from GE. It seems to me that Forrest states specifically that the treasure chest can’t be seen from GE because it doesn’t go down far enough, but he doesn’t say anything about the Blaze in that context.

        Am I reading something wrong or missing information? Is there a reason you don’t think the Blaze can be identified from GE?

        Thanks, appreciate your thoughts & opinion on this.

        • KK I agree with your take. FF has NOT said that the blaze can not be seen on GE.

          As a side note I have for a long time thought that look quickly down might mean hike a little bit up. Just musing.

          • Buddy, thanks for your thoughts…..I haven’t been at this too long, and I know I’ve missed some things. Seems our thoughts are in line- I also think it’s possible a small hike is necessary to look quickly down.

          • I agree Tom B – But if you can see the Blaze how do you look quickly down? Is that then the last clue? The one F said you can only find on the ground?

          • The blaze is quite large and the treasure is very near the base of the blaze, I believe. If you are at the blaze, you will find the treasure. Look quickly down means, to me, that the treasure is at the base of the blaze.

      • Hi Zap, you are right. My apologies. I did not word that very good. That WAS in reply to the fact that the blaze is one object IMO it could be one object on GE that a person makes to form the blaze, which still gives me the same answer. Where did ff say that the blaze could not be seen on GE,? Whether I am right or wrong about this, either way I think it can be seen on GE. Forrest only says that GE does not go down far enough, in response to whether there is a picture of the chest, he does not say that you can’t see the blaze.

      • Hi KK: you are quite correct! I didn’t mean to say that the blaze could not be found on a map or seen on Google Earth — it’s the chest that can’t be seen on GE.

    • Ok McB, you lost me on that one. How do I find the blaze there? Been there many times and have not found the blaze there yet!

      • Kathy,

        In the top menu of the page: “Search”

        Then you type Blaze into the search bar and “enter”.

        Below will appear the results.

        They are quotes from FF.

        • Thanks McB. I have read all of those many times, but much appreciate the info!

        • @McB – I’m glad my site is of good service to you. I try not to promote it too much here – usually announce adds to the site on FB/Twitter only. I am a lurker more than a poster, and try to make it a point to surface to express gratitude.

          Since I’m on here, I will drop a shameless plug (Dal please forgive me) that we recently uploaded the “Forrest Gets Mail” series of blog entries from Dal’s site, and a transcription of Forrest’s third appearance on Report from Santa Fe with Lorene Mills.

          @Kathy – thank you for sharing your thought on the Blaze. It’s something I had not considered, and am re-thinking my solution as a result.

          Good luck to you all!

  53. Forrest has told us all what the Blaze is. You should know exactly what the Blaze is before you get there, I know what the Blaze is. He has told us where to look down for the TC once you have located the Blaze. You will know exactly what the Blaze is and right where the TC is. When it’s found you we be in such an amazement.!!! BUT Forrest has warned us only to take the Chest. Then go in piece.. he says
    “Do Not Touch Anything” else. He said; “Just”take the Chest, and go in piece. Riches new and Old. Get it?

    “Kettle Corn”

      • Darn, I was hoping for the kettle corn but will settle for the remaining trove.

      • I will leave a Bag of “Kettle Corn” a Coors Beer and an Import called Solid Gold. And a 2oz nugget.

        And the Blaze faces In a direction I already Know.

        • I will give up the search if you leave Coors. Make it a good IPA then it might be worth it.

        • I’m with Aaron. If you leave a Coors, that’s littering. If instead you leave a Fat Tire, you’ll have created a Superfund Site.

          • SoCal people know their beer. Maybe leave one of each and if someone that has acquired a more sophisticated taste for beer finds it they can chunk the Coors into water high.

        • Celebrating a second place finish with a warm Coors seems oddly appropriate. Having it spray you as you open it, taking a sip, making a face and promptly spitting it out would be such an appropriate way to toast this day late, dollar short achievement. And we’ll always have the kettle corn.

          • JW;

            Remember that Forrest said that Indulgence is wet, and didn’t he say something about a small rivulet or creek – large enough to cool his Grapette Soda? – Something like that, so maybe your Coors will be cold after all. 🙂 – JDA

          • Coors (warm or cold) would be a fitting 2nd place prize. You can shake the can and use it as bear spray in a pinch. 😉

          • Good thinking Zap, my biases kept me from realizing how useful it might be.

        • I have not searched for verification here on hoD, but it seems this conversation is similar to one on the Hidey Spot thread from about a year ago. There folks were telling one another what they plan to leave when they pick up Indulgence, so that anyone after them knows they got the solution, but not the prize. I don’t know if I chimed in then, and it has been a while, so if I did, what I am about to reveal may be different. And for the most part, falls in line with what others have said.

          When I go a searchin’, I’ll have along with a water tight container of some kind that will have in it a notebook and pencils, so that others can “sign in” stating when they were there. I will have put into the log when I recovered Indulgence so they will know. There will also be some kind of cache that the next searcher can take as a memento (and hopefully they leave one for the next searcher, and so on). I am hopeful that the search goes on forever this way.

          And definitely no Coors.

          • swwot—

            That is exactly what I was thinking too! (with a slight modification).

            What I was planning was to have all the gold pieces replicated in lead and then gold electroplated. I would use zirconium and odd clear melted glass to make the 110 diamonds…..Then after duplicating all the beads, etc. I would make up three exact replicas.

            I would put one somewhere in each of the three states of Montana, Wyoming and NM., (sorry I don’t think it’s in Colorado)
            With this plan everyone wins.
            The Jayhawk posse gets the real treasure….People in every camp but Colorado get to think they found it and fulfill their altruistic desires…..and people will keep emailing f for his entertainment….perfect.
            (I’ve got to start eating olives like crazy)

          • Hi Swwot: I definitely like the ledger idea — similar to the sign-in registers atop high mountain peaks. And the small cache idea (like the one Dal had once upon a while just east of West Yellowstone): leave an item, take an item. A couple years ago, my thought was to leave a more substantial reward for the second finder if I was successful. I even went to the bank and ordered 500 gold dollar coins for just that purpose. But then the fatalities starting mounting, and I weighed the good karma of leaving a prize for a fellow searcher against the dread I would feel if another person became injured (or worse) in pursuit of that modest runner-up award.

        • Test the Coors in your freezer first. If its bottled, its history after the first winter. Unless you think it doesnt get below 25F or so.

    • I’ll give you $100 if you find it Travis. btw – what the heck is this kettle corn stuff lol?

      • Morecowbell I will take that offer on the hundred bucks.

        “Kettle Corn” is what I do for a living I say it so you all remember me when I have recovered the TC.

        • Remember you? How could I forget? When you and the other fellas kept coming out of that little VW beetle, well….I couldn’t believe it!
          I told the deputy there must be a trap door under where you parked the car. How many fellas were packed into that thing? I think I counted 32. Which one were you?

          One suggestion…besides selling kettle corn, you also should sell nuts. IMO Now if you said what direction you are traveling when you look quickly down, my ears would pick up…..

          Best of luck to ya..

  54. I only said coors because it’s born in the Rockies. I thought it would be fitting. Who wouldn’t want a bag of Kettle Corn and a beer and a 2 oz nugget. Oh I’m also going to take a flash light & a Subway Sandwich and Rent a car from Enterprise rental.

    • Haha true, nothing like hot bad beer and stale popcorn to rub it in. Maybe a bear will eat me while I’m there too 🙂

      • At least there will be a 2oz nugget if the beers bad or the Kettle Corn is Mush. I intend on leaving these goodies for runner up.

        • I will definitely leave a bottle of Zwickel, Cellarbeer and Yeast-wheat brewed as per German Purity Requirement for you guys! Whoever loves beer should really enjoy these! Maybe I‘ll even wait there to have one with you… 🙂

  55. “Coors (warm or cold) would be a fitting 2nd place prize. You can shake the can and use it as bear spray in a pinch. ”

    Haha, good point. No bear will want a piece of that

  56. Mr. Spallies–

    Brother, I feel your pain….confusing isn’t it?
    What direction are you traveling?


  57. Swwot, I love the idea of leaving a container and signing in like a geocache. Definitely no Coors, but perhaps a Pliny the Elder or maybe something from Knee Deep brewing company.

    • TSAL: Good choice on Pliny! I considered leaving a Westvleteren 12, but the nighttime temperatures are too low for the glass bottle to survive, and Westy only comes in bottles. It’ll have to be a can — I’m sure I can find a crowler of something Chase-worthy.

  58. I am curious what you all think about Fenn’s answer to this question about the Blaze.

    Q) ”Is the Blaze one single object? ~ Scout Around

    A) “In a word – Yes.”

    I find it interesting that 1.) Blaze is capitalized as is “Brown”, leading me to believe it is an object with a proper name. I have not seen this discussed previously but I am about 8 years late to the blogs.

    With that theory in mind, if your “Blaze” is an unnamed geologic feature, can you reconcile it with this theory, and if not, does it change your thoughts about what the Blaze might be?

    2.) In sticking with that theory but as a separate consideration, it seems to me that the Blaze is encompassed by a singular word, but may in fact be comprised of multiples. Any thoughts on this?


    • kk…to my knowledge the word blaze has not been “capitalized” by Fenn. The Q you refer to was posed by Diggin Gypsy as a Q over @ MW.

      • Thanks Ken, I missed that it wasn’t capitlized by Forrest. It stuck in my head as I was reading some prior comments on this blog earlier today. Your answer helps me make a little more sense of everything!

    • KK;

      You say, “I find it interesting that 1.) Blaze is capitalized as is “Brown”, as if the two things, blaze and Brown are equal – meaning that they were written by the same person – They were not.

      Forrest capitalized Brown for his own reasons – Scout Around chose to capitalize Blaze, for his own reasons. The two things are separate, and, in my own opinion, do not feel that you should join them.

      I then notice that YOU choose to capitalize blaze. Why? It, under normal circumstances, would not be capitalized in the middle of a sentence – Although I frequently capitalize odd words in the middle of sentences for impact or to bring attention to them – but I am weird.

      How can you say that the blaze is comprised of multiples when Forrest has just answered that it is a single object? Does not make sense to me, but you can view it as you choose – JDA

      • Thanks for your thoughts, JDA. I saw it was capitalized in a prior blog comment, and it stuck in my head that way. I was a little confused as to why there had not been talk about it being a proper name- it makes a whole lot more sense to me not capitalized.

        Now aside from the capitalization, the “in a word” reference. It sparked my curiosity because he didn’t just answer “yes”, to the question. So certainly one could take it to mean he is saying in the single word of “yes” that it is a single object. But I also see that it could mean that it is many things, called one single or the same thing. For example: A bridge named after a river. In that circumstance, he could say the blaze is a single thing (in a word), but it is also more than one thing.

        Maybe my mind just works funny 🙂

  59. Hi KK,

    For you and all searchers new to the Chase, may I suggest you follow this link to another page on this blog where you can find answers to questions like these an others.

    There’s a huge amount of info contained therein. How useful these dialogs are to you will be a decision you’ll have to make.

    Take care……… pinatubocharlie

    • Thanks for the link pinatubocharlie,

      I have read thru many of those as well as those that are archived. They are very helpful and a valuable resource to have… but even with the new search bar, it can be difficult to find the answer to the question I am asking at times, or phrase it in such a way that it drastically reduces the amount of comments to wade thru!

      • KK, I haven’t found an easy way to do an effective “search” on this
        blog. A different one, however, makes it a lot easier. All my opinion.

  60. I think I might start a controversy over this question / statement…

    How many think that the “Blaze” can be determined before BOTG? I am beginning to answer “yes” to this question.

    • Yes, if it is the correct area.

      The poem gives us a correct area where we have to be wise to find the blaze.

      Mountain man’s wisdom: Identify the south through the sun’s (east) source.

      Blaze is east of this point: YOUR CREEK / HL / WH

      So yes.

      IMO – JMO

    • For me, the answer is yes. “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze.”
      This sentence is past tense, so, If you have been wise yesterday, or some yesterday, and found the blaze… So where might one have found the blaze yesterday or some yesterday? How about in TTOTC. Possibly you saw something while looking at or reading TTOTC, and subconciously spotted something that could be the blaze, and then, when you have BotG, you see something and have that AH-HA moment. You know in an instant that it IS the blaze. Just how I see it – JDA

    • “Determined” is the magic word.
      Wise means having knowledge of, something learned, good judgement… ‘Found’ is a whole other animal.

      We have few comments that should be considered. [paraphrasing the following].
      ~You can’t go looking for the blaze…
      ~ Can’t see the last clue from GE [ that also depends on IF you think the blaze is the last actual clue ].
      ~ Can all the clues be solved at home? In theory, yes…
      ~Can the blaze be determined at home or only in the field? 30 minutes not to answer the question [yet fenn had it posted it on MW’s]

      It seems to me; to actual determine the blaze you must solve/decipher all the clues leading to it.
      This [imo] doesn’t make the blaze special in someway… many would simply pass it by… even searchers, who did not decipher the clue’s references to that point.
      It might be that we only have an understanding of what it might be. prior, but not where it is, unless the prior clues lead us to it, [ the actual blaze fenn refers to. There could be many in the area ].

      Which lead to the Q&A of; how far is the treasure from the blaze… the answer would be obvious.
      “Wise” and “found” now become ‘discovered’; divulge, display, understand a secret…

      The blaze itself seems to be as elusive as WWWH. Even with the right reference to what WWH is or could be, we still need to know which one out of the many. I think the blaze is the same, no matter if we know of it or not prior.

      • “Most of the searchers are very bright and make intelligent comments, either by email or on the blogs, but there seems to be more attention paid to the blaze than to the first clue. Perhaps that’s why the treasure hasn’t been found.”
        Brings to mind the important Q posed by BW…charlie was just quoting it again over @ nine clues. This one is always a killer.

        • Very god quote. I’ve subscribed to this thread because I like to chat and hear others opinions but IMO giving the blaze any thought at all without the first clue is pointless. If you have the first clue and understand the key word then the blaze will show itself IMO.

          • Aaron…folks have been saying those very same words since *very* close to the beginning of the Chase. At this point…it may be safe to say that the clues leading up to the *blaze* will make it possible to, have been wise and found it.
            ” Casey, I did not take the measurement, but logic tells me that if you don’t know where the blaze is it really doesn’t matter….”

        • The reason I asked is because I’m my solve, I believe the last step is the blaze. My WWWH has not wavered.

          I have a list of things that tell me th state, another list of things that hints at the area of the state (that seem to confirm what I believe the blaze is). The funny thing is that I was racking my brain about a clue not the blaze when a list of things were appearing that Confirmed the location… And put an X on the map both figuratively and literally. I believe, that I have found at the end of the poem, the end of the clues, in a place where forest planned to leave his bones in the end…

          I have searched twice before, both in the same area… The first I was quite naïve in my Solve…

          This I believe, has led me to the blades… And whether or not I am believed, I do believe that there is an action on the this I believe, as led me to the blaze… And whether or not I am believed, I do believe that there is an “X” on the map .

    • JimB, the spot where it is at, yes. What it is, NO. Are you asking if the location of the blaze can be determined, or that you will know exactly what the blaze is and what it looks like?
      The blaze location can be determined, but the blaze itself cannot be. The info is not out there, so impossible. See other, long, boring post in the “I think the treasure is here” thread regarding ATF’s. There is no correct answer for the blaze, but he has never said that the blazes location could not be determined. Any other interpretation is just what searchers believe or will guess at and not what f is saying.
      Can a searcher know what the blaze is and what it looks like, NO,
      Can a searcher determine where the blaze is and then when arriving know what the blaze is, MAYBE,
      Can a searcher pre determine where the blaze is, YES.

      • Ok, Charlie. I’ll bite.

        Can a searcher determine what/where the blaze is based on an imaginative interpretation of the poem before solving the riddles of WWWH and HoB?

        I can’t speak for others, but I was unable to do it personally. I had to follow the directions provided in Lines 5, 6, 8, 11 blindly. Then the mathematical process produced the output needed to validate the word, “blaze.” I literally found the blaze by solving the poem. Whether my blaze is correct or not remains to be seen, of course.

        Can a searcher determine what object the blaze refers to before leaving home? I certainly hope so, or I will be doing a lot of fishing in WY come July. LOL.

        But if there is something hidden in the trees at my location that creates a hidden feature that would qualify as a blaze, then that will be another surprise. Neither maps nor Google Earth indicate anything like this immediately adjacent to my spot.


      • Charlie, I realise you are very secret about your solve and I respect that, however are you saying that you will be going BOTG without knowing what the blaze is before you get there? I am assuming this from your post above? Are you implying that you will only know what the blaze is once you get there and NOT before?


    • People were hiking/walking BOTG hundreds of years before FF conceived of
      the word “blaze”. So BOTG came before anybody could have determined
      what FF meant by “the blaze”.

      The above is my technically accurate response to your inquiry.

      The following is my less-technical response: What and where the “blaze” is can be determined by an individual searcher before he/she goes BOTG search hiking looking for the TC. The determination, however, is not
      likely to be easily or quickly performed. A published paper map can’t help,
      but google earth possibly could. All IMO.

      • Tighterfocus ~’What and where the “blaze” is can be determined by an individual searcher before he/she goes BOTG search hiking looking for the TC.’

        If true on the ‘where’ [ I assume that means knowing exactly where the blaze is, regardless of what it is ]. Two things come to mind;
        1. The blaze can’t be the last clue. [ GE won’t be useful for the last clue ]
        2. The blaze would have to be bigger than a car. [ or similar size ].

        I mean, short of ‘street view’ on GE… a full size tree is rather small and somethings hard to see. And should you be right… I guess botg is only to the chest, and we can skip the others, right? No real need to ‘follow’ the clues physically to get to the blaze. right?

        Fenn stated he followed the clues when he hid the chest.
        Does “following” only mean on a map?
        Cuz we have another comment that fenn said, he didn’t use maps when he wrote the poem.
        So, I’m a bit confused about how we can know ‘where’ the blaze is? and still the need to follow the clues, should it be true we can find the blaze prior to botg [ of course that would mean solving the prior clues completely ]. at home.

        • Seeker,

          Satellite imaging technology has improved a lot in the last 3 years.

          So it is possible that the blaze is visible nowadays. How to know?

          If the solution is correct everything will fit easily.

          So even if not seen by GE, the researcher will know where to look.

          • McB,
            Knowing an area to look is not the same as knowing where it is.
            Having an idea of what the blaze could be is not the same as knowing ‘where that reference’ is at.

            The problem I have is; for many years fenn never answered any question on, did he follow the clues as we are are told to do.
            As of recent, he has answered it… he followed the clue when he hid the chest [ regardless of that being all or a few ]. So, If the blaze can be known by its reference “and” known ‘where’ it is prior to going to the blaze… why would anyone need to “follow” the clues on site?
            Why couldn’t they simply go to the blaze and then to the chest? Fenn did say if you found the blaze the distance “to the treasure would be obvious” ` right?

          • Seeker. It depends on where you start.

            Think of mike markers on a highway. You live at mile marker 5, and you want to hide something just off the road after mile marker 15. What if the clues hint at something starting around mile marker 7… you then have to follow the clues from 7-15 to get from 5-15.

          • Plenty of map layers available to add to the base map.

            Maybe something more detailed that includes something you don’t know about

        • I could sum up the poem like this:

          The chest is in the canyon where the warm waters cool, amidst the curves between the rocky stream and the river, near the hillside, south of the white rock, among the trees.


        • IMO The blaze CANNOT be seen from GE, if FF said you cannot see the TC from GE because it doesn’t go down far enough then going on the assumption that the TC is in the vicinity of the blaze then IMO you cannot see the blaze unless you are BOTG by which time the blaze and the TC will be obvious.

          • Correct! FF said GE doesn’t go “deep enough” to see the hidding place

          • I do t think the blaze can be “seen” from goofle earth, however it may be possible to locate it

          • Phil,
            I don’t think fenn said ‘deep enough’

            I think fenn said, ~ GE doesn’t go down far enough.

            ‘deep’ seems to imply below ground level.

          • Butch, I would not want to make that assumption and therefore the same opinion.

        • One need not “get to the blaze” in order to get to the TC. The
          blaze is helpful by being seen (either online or BOTG). IMO.

          • TF;

            I am sorry, but I must absolutely disagree.
            “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze.” – You have to find (and get to) the blaze, or you can not “Look quickly down.” and see what needs to be seen.
            If you don’t “get to the blaze” and look quickly down, you will be looking down on the wrong thing or area – JMO.

            As you know, I take more than one trip through the poem. Trip #1 you MIGHT be able to “Look quickly down” and see what needs to be seen if you are CLOSE to the blaze, but not right there.

            Trip #2, you better be AT the blaze when you look down, or you will miss what needs to be seen.

            If you missed it, you will never even start trip #3 – and therefore will NEVER find the TC –

            If you were correct in trip #2 – You must be EXACTLY at the blaze when you “Look quickly down” or Indulgence will NOT be yours – JMO – JDA

    • JimB: I would guess that not only can the blaze be determined before BOTG, it *must* be — because if you can’t figure it out from home, you’re certainly not going to figure it out on site.

      • Zaphood

        I would be careful with that assumption IMO FF said not to dismiss ANY word in the poem and the fact the he has used ‘Found’ and not ‘Seen’ the blaze could quite possibly mean that you do indeed need BOTG to ‘Find’ the blaze rather than ‘Seen’ the blaze (GE). JMO

        • Butch,

          Have you ever “found” something on a map?

          How about finding a misspelling of a place name in a book? Just because something exists in the real world doesn’t mean that there can’t be something that can be found out about it without seeing it ..

        • The problem is:

          And “what” moment / point of the poem – “you’ve been wise”?

          HoB maybe? Take the “right direction”? Identify “the end”?

          Thinks to know, or know to thinks?

      • Zap…I just read your post to Seeker @ mail from school thread.
        I feel the pain and will not utter one negative word. I respect your game and keep plugging…I knew you were out and about.

        • Thanks very much, ken. I’ll follow Dal’s and Cynthia’s examples and say that I at least know one or two more places that the treasure chest isn’t. 😉 Every trip you learn something. And every trip I’ve seen something amazing, amusing or just plain odd. This trip featured a beautiful bald eagle, hundreds of Canada geese, a fox running down the road, a marmot, a dozen buffalo (including 3 babies), and the usual elk and deer. Had hoped to see a bear (under the right circumstances!) but didn’t.

          The odd thing I found (not far from my search area) was a mound of dirt about 4 or 5 feet in diameter with an old wooden-handled rusty shovel sticking out of the middle of it. I took a picture which I’ll be happy to post up somewhere (once I scrub the GPS coordinates embedded in the exif header!) No — I didn’t go digging into that mound. It was very close to a human trail, and my thought was that someone maybe buried a pet there.

          • Zap…This Chase is all about the time spent on the adventure…whether it be researching or BOTG. I knew you were out because you went suddenly silent.
            A couple of days ago I posted that I believe the *design* Fenn intended was for the searcher to become intimately invested in the correct area. To do this…I think more than one BOTG is necessary, or an extended search trip.
            At a later date it would be interesting to hear a couple of ambiguous connections that you came up with…so as to not really give anything out. We search in completely different areas I know for sure…so it would be interesting to revisit the E Egg idea…perhaps.
            Looking forward to see the pics.

  61. Seeker,

    So, If the blaze can be known by its reference “and” known ‘where’ it is prior to going to the blaze… why would anyone need to “follow” the clues on site?

    IMO, if you don’t follow the clues on site, you won’t end up at the correct blaze. If you’re not at the right blaze, you will never see the marvel gaze.

    • Think of someone who “follows” a sports team. Does that person need to actually “follow” the team to know the results of a game of theirs?

      Some “alternate” definitions of follow:
      *to be or act in accordance with ·follow directions
      *to seek to attain ·follow knowledge
      *to understand the sense or logic of (something, such as a line of thought)

      Maybe you just follow along with his thinking,?
      Ponder the clues as a highway with mile markers.
      Clues 1-9 are at mile markers 1-9, and before he hid the treasure, Forrest was at mile marker 0 or 1. Maybe he had to LITERALLY follow the clues. What if at mile marker 4, the clues turn down a side road? Then one who could identify the first 4 clues wouldn’t need to literally follow all of the clues, only to get to clue 4. So that person could start at mile marker 100… they wouldn’t have to actually follow the path the clues took from 1-4, they would just need to get to 4.

      IMO, the reason people are missing something, is because they try to literally follow the clues, but not with simplicity. They don’t look at the bigger picture. and because they follow some of the clues literally instead of thinking outside the box, they miss the “put in”, making it impossible to find the blaze if you were just looking BOTG.

      Forrest has said “The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with confidence. Nothing about it will be accidental. ” – MW, Six Questions

      Thinking of what all the clues might mean, being extremely confident about the clues, I don’t think I could go and be “confident” without an idea about the blaze.

    • I agree Birdie.
      The conversation above, some were saying they know ‘where’ the blaze is prior to botg. Even IF we can decipher what the blaze might be [ be it a rock or a stump or anything else ]. I don’t think the blaze can be ‘found’ prior on any map or GE.

      The problem I have with the folks who claim they know ‘where’ the blaze is… never to give simple reasoning’s or indications of; size, or is it organic, inorganic, a carving, color etc… nothing that would indicate an actual ‘found’ blaze for their ‘knowing what and ‘where it is’ …only to constantly repeat they know [ and of course to tell all of us they will have it this summer ].
      I’m only asking for a bit of clarity of how they could actually ‘find it’ [ on site ] beforehand.

      • Seeker,

        IMO “wise” implies applying what you have learned from the poem. Not in terms of what the blaze is, but in terms of process. FennGlish if you will. Kind of like learning to add before learning to multiply, without a calculator that is.

        Once the process is understood, then you can take that knowledge to the next step, application. That’s when you will know what kind of blaze to look for.

        Does that make sense?

        And if I’m right, it is on a map.


        • You’re saying the clues will not only lead to the blaze, but by that time in the poem, we should know what it represents… I can understand that.
          However, you say you can see the blaze on a map, and assuming, on GE.

          Would you explain how something on a map becomes the blaze?
          Historical something?
          A named something… how large would it need to be, to be on a map or GE…
          Is it a marker in style or a pointer…

          I’m very surprised at how many think the blaze is discovered on GE “and/or” a good map. This would mean that the poem’s clues are 100% solvable at home and all that s needed is to go straight to the blaze. [ regardless of passing clues, at this point the clues seem to have done their job ] locating the blaze, right?

          That is an idea of, the poem having all the information, line of thinking. So why did fenn follow the clues “when he hid the treasure”? … Is there absolutely no other routes that can get us there?
          Because it seems to me that IF we can recognize and know Where the blaze is, prior to botg, there is no longer a need for wwwh, canyon, hoB, meek, creek, HL or WH, no need to physically bother with them, no need for which turn to take, distance of anything, No real reason to plan anything that involves those clues or observe them in any manner, right?

          Just go right to the blaze because the distance to the chest will be obvious…

          The obvious question for all would be… what and why should we plan for [ involving the poem ] and what is needed to be observed [ involving the poem ]?

          Regardless of how each of us feel about how brilliant our solve is, don’t we need to answer those suggested parts of planning and observing that fenn tells us we should do?

          I’ll place tthis comment for anyone who would like to attempt and explain how knowing the blaze location prior an be accomplished…
          “I’m not flippant about this. It’s not something somebody is going to be able to do on spring break or a Sunday afternoon picnic. I’m looking a hundred years down the road, maybe a thousand years down the road. People don’t understand that.”

          If you know “where” the blaze is [ and what it is ] … why can’t we on spring break or a Sunday picnic [or any oter single day of the year]? I doubt fenn is saying it will take a 1000 years to figure out clue’s references.
          What is it that we are not understanding? Where’s the planning and observing?

          Is there more to the clues than simply know what they are?

          • I agree with this reasoning Seeker. Even the folks that figured the first two clues and got close must have had some idea of a *blaze* area to look for…and yet nada.
            My posting below sums it up fairly neatly…and I do not believe that a searcher can predetermine the blaze. Fenn has been consistent in saying that the clues will lead/take a searcher to the treasure. The “in theory” answer seems to suggest that one can follow the clues to *the* location…”right straight to it”…then there is that “found the blaze”…which seems to indicate some action involved(discovering the blaze) before success. Otherwise…the info accumulated up until now…does not compute.

          • A thought occurred to me:

            Would time be involved in the process of following the clues?

            If so, then “how” would we marry the clues with a dot on the map?

            Would maps of different “ages” give different answers?

            Or would the “clues” be on maps of different times?

            In the poem is there anything that refers to “time”?

            Clues in the past, present or future …

            To think…

          • McB;

            “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze” = past tense indicating time in the past. All other lines seem to relate to the present except, “As I have gone alone in there” which can be interpreted as a past action.
            Ask an English teacher – I sure am not the expert here – JDA

          • Ken,
            Right… my thought as well.
            Most, if not all the comments about the blaze seems to relate on building off the other clues. Using them is some way… to match the blueprint we are told to work with. The idea would be, the poem’s words alone would not be enough… we have planning and observing to do as we build from that blueprint.

            Whether that can be done “completely” at home, I’m not sure. Yet is seems to “complete” the poem’s blueprint we need to be on site AT wwwh, and recreate the poem’s design.

            The question now is… can that be accomplished in a single day, If we don’t have the all the “details” we might need to see.

          • The phrase:

            “If you have been wise and found the blaze,”

            It’s making me think of the phrase:

            “The end is ever drawing nigh;”

          • Good question…”single day”? Personally…I believe this challenge does have a specific design built into it. *Part* of that I think involves intimate knowledge of the exact location. I don’t think Fenn could ever really expect this to last 1000 yrs. if all of the answers are readily available like some believe…without leaving the house.
            His main goal was to get folks out there first and foremost. None…repeat…none of his stories even hint at anything achieved came about by non- participation. Why would his Chase be designed any different? Fruits of the labor so to speak.
            I believe that the successful searcher will be invested in the correct solution…either by an extended search trip…or by more than one trip to the area. His comments seem to support this idea.

          • Seeker – I think you make excellent points. In my solve, the clues have led me to what I believe is the blaze. I can see the blaze on GE; however, I would have never called it a blaze had the clues not pointed me to it.

            Because of this, I think that the blaze is visible on GE, but people would not recognize it if they were taking a shortcut and starting their solution by looking for the blaze first. Does that make sense?

          • Seeker,

            You ask reasonable questions, however, To the best of my knowledge he has never said you can’t figure it out from home. But it wouldn’t be wise for me to think I’ve got blaze nailed down without having a good handle on the the other clues, all of them. But trust me, I’m not starting my next search at the blaze, though i will look when it comes into view.

            Heck, like many others here, I may be completely wrong but I’ve got a very good reason, solid confirmation if you will, to have this opinion.

            I know that’s not a good answer, but I’ve been working outside all morning long and then exercising for almost 2 hours and I’m very tired.

            Take care………pinatubocharlie

          • IMO, it can be found on google earth with additional map layers.

            Forrest has said that you couldn’t see the Chest on google earth, because it didn’t go down that far.

            Also, I don’t think the heat is buried, but cleverly disguised the blaze… from the CW 2013 interview, he says something to the effect of his body laying on the chest, with the sun on his bones (as opposed to being in a hospital bed)

        • I hope that people do both the couch time and botg time- I think it is just as important to the “why” which is a treasure itself, and I’m sure I only think I know the half of it……It has taken me a few BOTG to comprehend why the poem leads *me* where it does and says what it says. (Lots of time to think while exploring). I agree with the lot of you that the blaze can be seen for GE only IF you have followed the poem and know what you are looking for.

          I think I would be sad to know that someone followed the breadcrumbs, but didn’t understand at least part of the why’s. (I don’t think anyone can know all).

          I also think perhaps it was orchestrated in such a way that many people “find” what they are looking for.

          • I very much agree with you KK. I think that knowing the “WHY’s” of each clue is as important as knowing the “What’s”. Every clue does not have a “Why”, but I do think that many (if not most) do.

            So, which clues have important “Why’s) at least for me?

            WWWH and Canyon down = Yes
            NFBTFTW – No
            hoB = absolutely
            “meek place” = Yes
            “End Place” = not sure
            No Paddle Creek = I think so
            HL and WH = Yes
            Blaze = Absolutely
            Tarry Scant/Marvel gaze = Maybe

            I hope that Forrest will some day disclose his reasons. I would like to know if I am right. JDA

          • I think that:

            WWWH = River fishing
            CD = Canyon with ancient indigenous sites
            TFTW = distance traveled between one community and another
            Hob = trout water
            No meek = place of bloody wars
            The end = tombs / omegas
            No paddle = difficulty running something / a creek not to climb
            HL and WH = avalanches, erosions and floods
            Wise = Wisdom of the Mountain Man
            Blaze = Forest fire / something that should not be there / geographic reference
            Look down = look south or down
            Tarry Scant = move on without getting sidetracked
            Marvel Gaze = understand the location chosen by Forrest
            Brave = leave the rules
            In wood = enter the forest / grove

          • Hi JDA,

            I have a “big picture” “why as well as clues that I have at least a partial understanding of why, and I am able to link most of the clues to either the big picture, or to individual “why’s” of the same general understanding. Some of them are linked to other clues for the same reason or tie to each other.

            The funny thing to me, is that I know I am only glimpsing the tip of the iceberg. I think I will be studying the poem for a long time to come, regardless of if/when or by who it is solved.

      • Seems like if you want to see things from a pilot’s point of view, GE is the way to go. If I was following the clues from the 20k’ view, I might be able to identify a wwh, an it to follow in the canyon down to the creek that’s below the hob and beyond npftm. I might even see some heavy loads and water high might just mean up stream. If that was a stream fed creek it might just start right out of the ground. If it started right out of the ground it could have a unique shape that looks like let’s say a snake’s head. Maybe that part is about 15′ by 30′ making it visible from GE. Hypothetically of course.

      • The name of the local feature(s), and some research helped me. I think y’all should try to relax. IMO.

    • the blaze and the gaze are nowhere near each other nor are they within close proximity of each other.

      for those that wonder what distance constitutes close proximity, according to forrest, it is equal to about one of the dimensions of the area that the cloud from a muzzle loader would consume.

      the above is not a stated fact nor my opinion, it is deductive reasoning arrived at from provided material

  62. ” There’s 10 billion blazes out there. So you have to start with the first clue and let it take you to the blaze.”
    “… The clues can lead you to the treasure, and it will be waiting there for you when you arrive…Playing a hunch is not worth much in the search and those who start out looking for the blaze are wasting their time.”
    “…whether it’s buried or not, you can find it if you can find the blaze as the result of starting with the first clue. That’s what you have to do.”
    Coupled with BW’s Q and Fenn’s answer to that and the above comments(just a few of many), I believe that it becomes more apparent that the *design* of Fenn’s intentions for searchers is that we’re going to have to *work* for the end result. I believe that *following* the correctly deciphered clues puts the searcher at the correct location where the *blaze* can be discovered. The end result from there… should be obvious….according to the design.

    • Searchers,

      I ask Forrest:

      “The blaze” still “can not be seen by GE?”

      Forrest’s answer:

      “I’ll let it go.”

      My conclusion:

      “You can.”

      • I interpret his answer, “I’ll let it go.” to mean he will not comment – so, a NON-answer. You have to figure it out.
        Just how I read it – JDA

        • I agree with you JDA, thats no answer either way and to think you can now see the blaze on GE because of it would be foolish IMO.

          • Guys,

            It was a malicious question:

            If FF answered with a “yes” or a “no”:

            N – He would be giving the answer to the last clue.

            S – That the poem can be all solved at home.

            N / A – IMO “Well Logic” – He searched the GE and found that it is already visible or someone may have sent a photo (GE) to him. So from the comment about the feel of the chest being discovered this season.

        • Sometimes I forget that forms of speaking my language sound different in English.

          And that language figures also change the meaning in a translation.

          You have no idea how difficult it is to translate and “understand” everything you say.

          Please excuse me again and have patience with me, because some nonsense escapes from time to time.

        • JDA,

          “Go” is one of the oldest games known to still exist.

          It’s played with black & white stones.

          “Why is it”
          “I must GO”


          • Forrest would be very familiar with it from his time in Southeast Asia and being an ancient game is right in his wheel house!

            Go is also an old word for Stone…


      • McB.
        You say you asked Forrest this? About GE image.

        When did you ask him? And what prompted you to ask him such a pointed question.

        As I stated to you once before I think you and I both know the answer.

      • McB-

        You said:
        “The blaze” still “can not be seen by GE?”

        I think you received the answer you did from Forrest because he was frustrated with the question.

        First of all…
        GE cannot “see” anything. GE is Google Earth and Google Earth is a mapping program. It has no ability to “see”.
        Your question was not really a question it was a statement. Just because you put a question mark at the end of it does not make it a question.

        The question you may have intended to ask may have been:
        Can the blaze now be seen using GE?

        It’s a subtle difference but to a guy who gets a thousand questions a week about his treasure hunt (most of them repetitive) it can be frustrating trying to interpret what someone is really asking. It’s tempting sometimes to just ignore the questioner.

        • It was not real, it was theater. ; )

          Just to feed thoughts.

          I’m sorry,

          But the translation does not always work.

      • Sometimes I forget that forms of speaking my language sound different in English.

        And that language figures also change the meaning in a translation.

        You have no idea how difficult it is to translate and “understand” everything you say.

        Please excuse me again and have patience with me, because some nonsense escapes from time to time.

        • Using google earth can show a pretty good view of the blaze,
          in my opinion. In fact, google earth can show a pretty good view
          of a few different things, each of which searchers may think is the blaze (as intended by the poem). All in my opinion.

  63. I now am new to this site but I really have found some solid clues. the poem is in fact perfect and beautiful. My solve location is seen on his original map the solve itself is almost poetic, you do have to drive but not very far or fast and it is not paved. from warm waters take the canyon down where you put under the home of brown. from here it really is heavy loads and water high. I searched forever for the area I didn’t find the blaze… but I found it and I needed to know what it meant . but if your are wise. you will get back in your car to travel back to it or most likely you will not find it. until you realize the clues take you back towards the start of your journey it is so frustrating. tomorrow I leave to go see if I am right. but there is more, i believe i may not have solved it all the, sign could mean its right there or that you follow the trail .. but the blaze I found tells me the next clue and I hope its right where it says. and a word of it is also in the poem after “look quickly down your quest to cease.” this is a true adventure.. i will see where it takes me. never been so thrilled it will make the 7 hr drive worth the cold . A, Thanks for your gift of adventure Forest!!

    • Good luck in yopur quest. AJM. Stayh awake on the road, and TRY to STAY SAFE once you put BotG – JDA

  64. Thanks ill take it slow and stay safe ill let you know how it goes.. on Monday.

      • If you click on the “reply” button under someones comment, your reply will appear directly below that person’s comment – makes tracking a conversation a bit easier – JDA

        • JDA why did you leave out the first and last two stanza in the above post.To my thinking the first stanza is the most important.You have to know what you are looking for before you go looking!!,that’s where the BOOKS will take you to the end.

          • Hi Clint;

            For the past year I have fallen into the camp that believes that the CLUES are in Stanzas 2,3 and 4, and that the HINTS are in stanzas 5,6 and 1.

            For me, stanzas 5,6 and one DO provide HINTS that let the searcher know both what and where to look.

            Once this is known, stanzas 2,3 and 4 show the searcher how to get there. Hope that this helps

            As to the BOOKS – hints are sprinkled that help with both the HINTS and CLUES in the poem.

            Hope this helps – JDA

    • Hi A.J.M

      Welcome and good luck in your search…..It is a perfectly beautiful poem and there does seem to be a circular aspect to the poem. Keep researching, and keep searching, happily! 🙂 I am fairly new ( a few months) to the blog as well. Lots of good people here, with lots of creative vision as well as wisdom!

      • I found more clues to confirm that “circular aspect” an early interview from Fenn saying as much…..

  65. Scabs or the scablands in MT sure make great “blaze” ideas. Is the blaze a single object Mr. Fenn? “In a word – yes”. I like Mr. Fenn’s sense of humor, if one is his blaze.

  66. So, got back from my search at 12:05am this morning, picked my uncle up at the half way point. it took 9 hours to get out of my latest search area. I was disappointed to find the exact area recently gated, (What are the chances everything but blazes from the poem within a mile of each other and all very recently gated)……… and by recently I mean within a week and locked with 4 padlocks (2 each side walked past that and another locked gate this one had a steel box locked with a combo padlock hooking a steel cable line across the jeep trail yes this trail had a BLM designated number… also not a sign in sight.. that one is on the only road that takes me within 1000ft of where warm waters end for me ( was still miles away at the 2nd gate, extra fencing stuff and equipment tracks fresh on the ground. very recent…. and fresh 4wheeler tracks both sides of the gate…… all of my Topo maps from online , Delorme, benchmark, and even the BLM maps I Bought for 40.00 show it as public lands, there was not any “no trespassing sign near on or around the gate. not until about 100yrds down the road after the first gate brand new it a white sign that said simply “game cameras in use trespasser’s will be prosecuted.” none the less discouraging. but the map mark it as a jeep trail on BLM lands.. and its 35miles from the nearest town on the edge of a national monument. (.5miles outside) I didn’t want to walk the roads long fearing it might be private or something. so I hoofed it the long way around 2 miles up ridge lines following a large game trail used by elk for half a day… as far as I made it I couldn’t get where I wanted to go. I hoofed over two ridge lines and could see it in the distance.. my warm waters. but I didn’t have enough time on Sunday to get there… I broke camp at 2;32pm and pulled in my driveway at 12:05am today the only other road I didn’t try cause I didn’t have time, would have only gotten me to the second gate anyway. not sure if I want to go out to that place a second time. am thinking about calling the BLM and seeing if those gates should be there, or is someone got there first and is putting cheap gates up. or if its actually private saw two people drive past me out of the area on a four wheeler on my way in… the had a metal detector strapped to the front but no packs and ,no box… they told me about a cabin 11 miles down but they didn’t say it was gated…. yes I did get to the cabin on foot broken down tin siding with newspaper… this was a very secluded area absolutely no houses within miles… I don’t think a human has ever been on the hills I was on this century. made it fun…. I think im on the right track but…. either way.. me and my uncle had a great time anyway. we have been needing to hook up for a while… treasure or not… the whole thing was worth it.

    • Thanks for the write-up. DARN!!! I certainly would speak with BLM and see what is up with the gates – – – The best laid plans etc. DARN!!!

      Sounds like you had a good time though – YEA!! Take care, and thanks for sharing – Get some rest – 🙂 JDA

    • Hey-O AJM –

      BLM and Forest Service land is “multiple use”, frequently leased to local interests by Dept of Interior (or Dept of Ag for Forest Service) for mining, drilling, grazing, maybe timber, so it’s not unusual to encounter patches that are off limits where such leases are in effect. Patches can also be sold off. Hence the pushback on some of the recent Antiquities Act Monuments.

      Flood or fire danger could also result in some areas being blocked off for public safety reasons.

      Still, you/we certainly have the right to question the status of any particular section of land. Their law enforcement is pretty robust, but as anyone familiar with pothunting cases (or Cliven Bundy’s clan) knows, they can’t be everywhere, and local pressure can be intense.

      Thanks for the write-up – glad that, all in all, you and your uncle’s efforts were worth the cold!


      • Good info JA Kraven – I appreciate it – AJM, a phone call can’t hurt. JDA

    • That’s interesting. Most if not all BLM land is open year-round. BLM operates in the lowlands. BLM, like the FS will close off areas for maintenance, road repair or hunting. Right now we are gearing up for the summer tourism but most importantly, it’s fire time. Roads around here get closed in order to clear brush and have controlled burns. That said, if you are searching in Colorado you honestly have to be on the lookout for illegal herb gardens. They have been around since before legalization but it is more rampant now. Either way, they are still illegal and people protect them with their lives as long as the receiving end of their weapon isn’t law enforcement. I would exercise extreme caution when hiking the woods. Those are million dollar crops. In your case, you may have stumbled upon an illegal grow nearby, but they generally work in large numbers and need to make quick get-aways, so the idea of putting up gates and cameras doesn’t seem likely. My other guess is the homeless, people who don’t care and toss TV’s, beds, couches and household garbage wherever they want to avoid landfill fees (mountains west of Boulder, CO). Well that is my nickel worth. You should call the BLM. If it is how you describe it, then I am curious to what the deal is.
      ROCK ON! Happy Hunting!

      • Well I concitered that but there were too many elk and every other thing around…. they were using the spring at the cabin as a watering hole … I would say there were no more than a few thousand people within a hundred miles of my location…interesting info about the blm I’m calling them before I head back next weekend… I need to be absolutely positive it’s not private before I start thinking about going through fences… I can pick the padlocks but I’ll need to cut the cable strung acrOSS the second road.. other than the recent posts gates and four wheel tracks there was nothing else up there… and I’d have seen the crops on Google earth….. and lol lots of bear sign I always have the .45 on the hip bUT pot farmers grow near boulder not where I was….. there were no trail cams.. I walked through the gate at night at night with night vision lol.. I’d have known for sure… I ain’t new to this lol

  67. Stay safe AJM,

    Its very easy to get sucked in and not leave yourself enough time to get out before it dark, im sure you know what your both doing but no amount of treasure is worth someones life IMO.

    Better luck next time 🙂

  68. thanks for the advice butch and I know what you mean…. I had to tear myself out of there before three, I didn’t want to leave.. the place really is perfect.. I have heard of others in this general area but not within 10 miles of this place I gave myself plenty of time to leave and it wasn’t worth nothing.. I checked all my secondary places (too far from the first two clues anyway) so I know where its not… but I really would of wanted to get to the end would of taken us another two hrs. going the long way around two mountains … I couldn’t take off work or else I would still be out there trying to huff it and my uncle had plans today anyway … but I know its within one of these three….’1000ft of where warm waters Halt”… on the way from it from down the canyon … the first two clues somehow takes you within 500 ft. of forests treasure… I think I will call BLM tho…… it really did seem fishy those guys with the metal detector and nothing else.. saw there truck and they weren’t camping… no gear.
    another thing about this area… I found a tiny private airstrip on private property less then 10 miles away to the north.. the house is active but the airstrip hasn’t been in use in some time … been wondering who owns it 🙂

    • Hmm…….somethings going on in that area for them not to have backpacks or camping gear…….go with your gut feeling and by the sounds of it you obviously feel you could be close……maybe it is new fencing…….in the bigger picture of things new fencing would be small cost to pay out compared to what they could be protecting….I would defiantly give BLM a call and find out whats going on, tell them your suspicions too without obviously letting them know why you was really there……

  69. Oh also.. I passed through many cattle guards on the way.. I know the difference between open range gates and cattle.. these had 2 brand new shiny chrome padlocks on one side and shiny brass combo padlocks locks on the other concrete dry but clean they drilled the holes and they werent done with the second roadblock.. they were mounting galbinezed sheet metal 10 feet to either side but it wasn’t up yet just on the ground. So either a property owner is pissed with people tearing up the land (doubtful as I was on a numbered blm road) or someone just set up shop and is guarding it … either way.. i never go alone.. I have a mobile ham radio and look up the local freqs b4 I head out.. and not afraid to go the long way around if there’s time

  70. Some people believe the blaze cannot be a tree. Some trees live for thousands of years. But probably a tree wouldn’t survive a fire. I just recently came across this and put it in Google search and just looked at the images. Wow!
    “bent tree trail blaze” try it! Cool articles on trail trees too.

  71. I have settled on where “no paddle” Creek is, and tried hard to break my logic. Problem is, it is at least 10 miles away from the environment I envisage as “blaze territory”.
    I have long thought that there is a gap in the clues, perhaps intentional, between no-paddle creek and blaze. Perhaps a long distance as well.



    • Seph;

      Between “No paddle” and the blaze is “Heavy Loads and Water High”
      Have you found these? Where are they in relation to your “No Paddle” and your “Blaze”? You don’t have to answer my question – just think about it. – JDA

      • For me, HL&WH are the qualifiers for no-paddle creek. But it _does_say_ “up your creek” suggesting you may go quite a ways to find “water high”, or at least get “high”.

        That kinda supports a distance between identifying the creek and spotting the blaze.

        Part of my problem is that I have firmly fixed in my mind what the blaze looks like.

        thanks JD(a)

        • Please be careful and do not fall into that rabbit hole Seph..

          Have you figured out “The word that is key?” Does this word relate to your blaze? If the two are not connected in a very strong way, I fear that your “image” of what the blaze is, and what it is in reality, MAY be different. “Will your blaze fit in a shoe box?” If “NO” – you MAY be wrong – but what do I know? Probably NADA since I do not have Indulgence – JDA

          • Wise. This week.

            I think, due to it’s Fennish ambiguity, and it’s proximity to “blaze”. Forrest predictably leaves plenty of room for “wise” to mean “yeah, sure, it could be all the way up in the headwaters, not near where you identify the mouth of ‘your creek’ ”

            As for the rabbit hole, there’s no hope. I saw a picture of a geologic feature and became convinced beyond hope the blaze is the same.

            Seph ( I switched “handles” from Joseph sometime earlier this year “

  72. Given that Mr Fenn hid the TC in August, who thinks that maybe you have to carry out your retrieval of the TC at a certain time of day to see the ‘Blaze’, maybe you need to be ‘Wise’ with your timing? Thoughts?

    • It could help, but isn’t necessary. The blaze can be found without seeing it
      while BOTG. All IMO.

  73. Have you considered an undisclosed landmark possibly marking his grave? Waiting to be disclosed? Since 1989…

  74. If you are wise recognize the blaze is your creek…they are same….waterfall!!!

  75. In my opinion.
    The blaze is not a trail.
    Does not have anything to do with a tree, bush or brush or an area especially if you can see it on GE.
    Not a fire or old burnt area from a previous fire.
    Not a creek, waterfall, river, stream etc…
    It’s not man made.

    • howdy Jake…good to see you back. Do you believe the blaze can be predetermined before actually being there?

    • Jake — it may surprise you to learn that I actually agree with you on all counts. 🙂

      • There’s not many that surprise me Zap,
        We all have some thoughts in common just not all the thoughts.

        I will take it further & say the blaze doesn’t have anything to do with the suns movements through the year or a particular spot where it will shine at any given time of the year to a direct spot on or near the blaze.

        A high school diploma may be specialized knowledge but I don’t think so.

        I don’t want to focus too much on the blaze when I only know what it isn’t IMO.

      • Hi Jake,

        Concur on any connections to the sun, shadows, limited windows of opportunity for spotting the blaze due to some solar alignment, etc. I think the chest can be reached on most days of the year with no greater difficulty than the day that Forrest hid it in the summer of 2010.

        I think the blaze is quite a bit bigger than a breadbox, has been where it is for thousands of years, and will continue to remain there for thousands more. I’m confident if a searcher finds the correct blaze, he or she will easily find the chest.

        • I will add that it is the shape of the shadow on TFTW.
          It looks like an arrow.
          It is BIG.

  76. to me the blaze has always had something to do with fire – but in my case sense the fire is not real then it has something to do with flames – being shaped by water running naturally down a slope – causing the flames to be shaped on the ground and can be seen on GE and its just my opinion

  77. Thanks ken, good to see you still hangin around after all these years.
    I do believe the blaze can be somewhat predetermined before actually seeing the real deal considering F’s statements or non statements.
    The blaze can be predetermined in the poem only IMO.

    Past tense “been” & “found” indicates you will be closer to the blaze than “heavy loads” & “water high” which can be see before you see the blaze & are larger than the blaze or the blaze is in the poem.

    • Jake. For clarification, do you believe that heavy loads and water high are descriptors to identify the correct creek to follow after you put in below the home of Brown (as opposed to being physical locations encountered on the journey)? My view is that there are three specific locations to find (warm waters, home of Brown, and Blaze), with two connecting segments (canyon and creek). Tom

      • I think “heavy loads” and “water high” are right on top of each other up your creek & the blaze is before them.

        • Why? Jake, please elaborate on why you think that “heavy loads” and “water high” are on ‘top of each other’…

          TIA ,


          • They are both in the same line in the poem, therefore I think they are very close to eachother up your creek.
            “Just” indicates right there together.
            Justify left
            Justify right
            Just = centered

  78. Welll can’t wait to go search soon I have a great solve lol again and well if the treasure ain’t there I’ll have a great story to come back with I think I got a good blaze this time around

      • I’ve lost count first time I’ve looked this year tho we bought a old farm place been busy working on it hopefully will find the treasure and be able to pay it off lol highhhhhhh hopes

        • You’re a beast from the East when it comes to the chase.
          You don’t say much but your BOTG & some left behind speaks volumes for your determination & will.

          Green acres is the place to be….

    • Diggin: best of luck on your pending cross-country adventure. You are the only searcher I get nervous about when you’re out in the field (and no, not because of the bears!) I consider you the most dangerous competition. 🙂

    • I want so badly for my kids to be there so I can get a picture of their expression when we pull indulgence out of its hidey spot. .Then they can get a picture of mine.
      Summer commitments keeping them busy til 1st week of August but then we shall proceed with confidence.

      • That would be an awesome moment to cherish for a lifetime of permanent smiles. After my first BOTG and seeing how BIG everything is, my plans fer the grandkids to be there are pretty nil. I’d have to tote em and i’m barely making it as it is. “Are we there yet?”

  79. I think that heavy loads is the road so take the road to waters high – waters is this body of water- high is a northern direction – so take the road north of this body of water where you will find the blaze where you will go to in the wood

    • the blaze is feet.
      your own feet at the treasure.
      dummys feet at the chest.

      I think.

  80. I thought I had the blaze all figured out before my last search, but unfortunately it didn’t pan out. But to be clear, I wasn’t out there driving around looking for it. I had a very specific blaze in mind and was of the very storing opinion that the blaze itself contained the information to direct me to the actual location of the chest. I did find my blaze, but not THE blaze, even though other clues fit in very well.

    My search lasted 3 days and the very next day after leaving the area I found an extraordinary image on GE of something very large that could easily represent HoB, the blaze, and possibly heavy loads too. Waters high is not far away I might add. And this image meets the requirements that it doesn’t face any direction (N,E,S,W) and would be impractical to move, though it could be.

    In addition, there’s a great spot to put in close by and almost due south (below/quickly down) so I’ll be taking a close look around there too for sure next time out.

    In that regards, I have planned 2 search trips this “summer” and will make the second trip late August.


      • Thank you Aaron and JDA.

        I was planning to go back again after my search in June even before finding that image because the poem directions sent me to that general location and confirmed 3 ways by other very specific details provided by Forrest.

        However, this image is so powerful that it simply cannot be ignored. Only Forrest knows if it is THE blaze, but he’s certainly not going to tell me if it THE ONE or not. So now it’s between me and the poem and though I think I’m making progress, when will you ever know for sure until your eyes bug out of your head when you see it sitting there in all it’s glory?

        So I continue to study FennGlish and can only hope to pass the test some day.


  81. i just read that forrest said the Blaze is near the chest but i can’t find anything to corroborate. Does anyone have a link to such a statement?

    • tom- I don’t need no stinking link.*
      the blaze is feet.
      where heels high!


    • Hi Tom — there are a number of such statements. Here’s one from MW Surprise Words (7/14/2016):

      “Mr. Forest, I was just wondering. If I can find the blase, why should I worry about where warm waters halt? All I need to do is look ‘quickly down’ like the poem say, and there is the treasure, right? ~Philadelphia Franklin”

      Forrest replies: “That’s correct Philly, but that’s not a plausible scenario. If you can find a fish already on your hook you needn’t go fishing, right? Don’t force those kinds of aberrational thoughts on yourself or you’ll likely walk back to your car with a very light back pack. f”

      • Still very vague and i will clarify.
        If im standing on a cliff and the blaze is the face of the clanyon across from me. I can see the blaze but i cant touch it and it is not near me. I can still look down and see the chest no? Im lookomg for a quote where he states its is close or near

      • zap- you will find the very light backpack Forrest has spoken of often…in my photo of the archaeology display on the thread entitled A Fun, Safe Side Trip. by yours truly.

        I think.

        • Dodo: I recall reading about your visit to the Buffalo Bill Historical Center. Revisiting it now, I do indeed see a somewhat understuffed black, red and gray backpack. We’re coming up on 8 years of backpacks lacking those coveted heavy loads.

    • Remember, you are talking about 4 states and the Rocky Mountains – “near” may be a relative term.

      “To an ant a mud puddle can be like an ocean.” – f.

    • tom I don’t – but what I can tell you and its my opinion- is that first you have to go north of to in the wood to get to the treasure chest so in figure of speech if you get away from the blaze you will get cold -so your efforts will be worth the if you are brave and in the wood ill give you title to the gold imo frank

    • I doubt it’s the sun…..’if you’ve been WISE and found the blaze’…well , everyone knows exactly where it’s at the minute they step foot outside lol

  82. If I could figure out how to post a photo on here, you guys would be able to see an “F” blaze on the ground (from a Google Maps screenshot) that looks like an exact match to one of the blazes carved by Fenn in the tree. He sent two photos of blazes, remember? This particular blaze is in Montana, near Bozeman. I found it by following the direction that “another” blaze (the “first” blaze) was pointing to! And I found the first blaze by following the clues in the poem in precise order. ALL SPECULATION, IMO, of course! Just a theory!

    So, can anyone tell me please, how to post a photo? I tried to copy and paste, but that didn’t work.

    Thanks in advance


    • Joe;

      Simple answer is that you can’t post a picture in a thread.

      Email Dal and ask him – It is his site, and he can tell you the best way to get a PIC posted – Probably under “Other Searcher’s Stories” – JDA

        • Joe, I would be very interested to see if your blaze is the same as the one I am using in my solve. Mine is near Bozeman as well, and I have been working this solve for the last few months. Taking a trip out there the first week of September. Something Forrest said once in an interview lead me up that way, and this particular line he spoke could literally only be one of two places in the entire search area, one of which is right outside of Bozeman. You have my curiosity piqued. I would love to know if others are closing in on the same spot. 🙂

          • Hi Flannery, sorry for the delayed response – I go to bed early!
            You can email me at
            I’ll be happy to share it with you this evening once Im off work!

    • Joe,

      This is what Dal told me recently when I asked him the exact same question.

      We do not post images in the comment section. Never have…
      If you want to share it you would have to post it on an image server…there are many available …and then share the link in your comment.”

      This is a link to one such image server I found.


  83. The Blaze?
    Focus People!
    If you grab Webster’s dictionary to define Blaze you get:

    Definition of blaze
    1 a : an intensely burning fire
    b : intense direct light often accompanied by heat the blaze of TV lights
    c : an active burning; especially : a sudden bursting forth of flame
    2 : something that resembles the blaze of a fire: such as
    a : a dazzling display a blaze of color
    b : a sudden outburst a blaze of fury went down in a blaze of glory
    c blazes plural : hell go to blazes as hot as blazes

    intransitive verb
    1 a : to burn brightly the sun blazed overhead
    b : to flare up : flame inflation blazed up
    2 : to be conspicuously brilliant or resplendent fields blazing with flowers
    3 : to shoot rapidly and repeatedly —usually used with away
    4 : to proceed extremely rapidly : blast blazing down the highway

    Definition of blaze
    1 a : a usually white stripe down the center of the face of an animal
    b : a white or gray streak in the hair of the head
    2 : a trail marker; especially : a mark made on a tree by chipping off a piece of the bark

    MY thoughts are that as written in the poem…. Blaze is a noun!

  84. Google map searching led me to this blaze:
    Historical images show the letters being added over time. Maybe a newer image would have the B and the E? The location is in Anaconda, MT on a hillside at an elevation of ~6,200′.
    I can’t find any reference to the added letters. The big “A” is for the local high school from what I can tell from my research. There are some other clues that brought me to look there, such as Sheep Gulch, Brown (buried in a cemetery there), warm springs creek, etc. Plenty for a ‘solve’.
    Probably nothing, but too interesting not to share 🙂

      • Andy …coincidentally there was a prominent Frank Brown and family (original homesteaders) in Telluride CO. Gotta love the old history of these iconic places.

      • Andy, you are in the right spot, somewhat…Anaconda is WWWH. The first clue.
        Not only Warm Spring Creek, but the what was once then a “halt”, train stop on first st. is the reference to ‘nailed down”. It is now a hardware store, but still has a mural of a train on the building. It was built by Robert Nickel, (nickel reference). Nickel is mostly copper, and Anaconda produced the most copper on the planet at one time. It’s in Deer Valley, got it’s name from the deer that use to come down the mountains to feed on all the salt in the area. Deer Lodge is a place that is “dear, to rest his bones”. The whole area is part of the Yellowstone Geyser system, the mound is just dormant now, (warm waters halt). If you go to Evergreen street, at the end of the street is a church, and the beginning of your walk. Big telephone pole right there. Fifer Gulch is your canyon, and just inside the tree line is the third clue.

        Mount Haggin is your end spot, it ends with nig, (“n” being last, “I” second to last, and “g” third to last, it’s what you get if you sever the end of “nigh”.
        Here’s a picture of the blaze, see if you can figure it out because it’s all I’m giving out.
        The blaze you referenced doesn’t seem like a blaze f would use, to easy and obvious. It’s more like something hidden and tough to figure out.
        So if you are looking in Anaconda, I just gave you the first four clues and some hints. Okay, couple more, go to Google Earth. Make your elevation about 60,000 feet and look at the landscape of Mount Haggin.
        Look at some of the landscape around and then look at the gold nuggets on page 133 of TTOTC. See the Deer head and the ear? See some other references. These are just little hints, nothing much, the bigger hints will be when you check out the Med. wheel at Bighorn, but still, just hints.
        There is a lot of history there in Anaconda, but it was the coordinates that took me there, from the poem. And yes, somewhere in the chase archives and subjects is the coordinates to the blaze.
        The picture up above, the 97, is reference to Andrew Marvell, (one “L” in the poem). That is the marvel gaze, don’t get it confused with the blaze. Doesn’t look like that anymore. :). If you get serious about Anaconda, I have loads of research, I would share some. Good luck on your quest, just don’t go looking in November to February, that’s all I’m going to say…

        • Just the fact that Hwy 1, Veterans Memorial Hwy, runs through Anaconda is enough to at least deserve a look. Good luck…

          • Charlie,
            That’s the same blaze pic you sent me years ago.
            I still think you should move on.

        • Hi Ed — charlie’s omission of the article “a” made his statement false. He meant to write that *a* nickel is mostly copper, which is true for modern nickel coins. But your statement is also false: nickel is NOT a ferrous metal. Nickel is a metallic element distinct from iron. Perhaps what you meant to write was that nickel is a siderophile (iron-loving) element. The siderophile elements are clustered together in the middle of the periodic table and include familiar elements like nickel, iron, gold, cobalt, and platinum (and some rare, very dense and expensive elements like iridium, osmium, rhenium, ruthenium and palladium).

          Getting back on subject (the blaze), all I see in Charlie’s picture is a campfire ring. As such, it is certainly NOT Forrest’s blaze. It could be destroyed with minimal effort in less than a minute; Forrest’s blaze most-assuredly cannot.

          • Zap, you’re right and wrong. I meant “a” nickel. And the picture you are looking at and describing is marvel gaze.
            Andrew Marvell, (1 “L” in poem), was a 17th century poet. He wrote a poem, Upon Appleton House, which so happens to have 97 stanzas. What you are talking about so easily destroyed, is marvel gaze.
            I would think that you would give me some credit. To think that is a blaze is ridiculous. I’m facing Southwest in the picture, luckily.
            The blaze is above marvel gaze, in the landscape. No way you could destroy it, unless you dynamite the whole area. When you double the landscape onto itself, the blaze appears. You will see: owl, jester/joker, longhorn skull, arrowhead pointing southwest, a coffin, mushroom, grail, two alligators, it is pretty cool. Have a lot of pics in the same area, but all just symmetry when put over itself. Just this one spot gave this. Plus, have the exact coordinates.
            Always wondered why the burnt wood was outside the ring. That stick that makes up the “7” is “Y” shaped and 7′ tall. The rock that looks like a “T”, an instruction. The whole seen looks staged, plus the coordinates, believe me, I didn’t grasp when I first saw.
            I will post some pics when I get to work, have pics there. And yes, the marvel gaze can easily be destroyed, it doesn’t look like this now. I didn’t know what it was when I first saw, just had the coordinates to the spot and snapped a picture. You jump to conclusions too quickly Zap, it’s actually a perfect blaze.

          • Hi Charlie,

            “Zap, you’re right and wrong.”

            Hey, can’t win ’em all. 😉

            ” … the picture you are looking at and describing is marvel gaze.”

            Well, in my defense, your post said “Here’s a picture of the blaze, see if you can figure it out because it’s all I’m giving out.” That picture is centered on a campfire ring, so is it really that surprising that I assumed it was your blaze? Just took you at your word. Kinda hard to blame me for not “giving you some credit” under the circumstances. I’m happy to hear that your blaze isn’t that ridiculous.

            As for Andrew Marvell, two words: specialized knowledge. Not even going to go there.

            “When you double the landscape onto itself, the blaze appears.”

            Sounds like a classic case of a Rorschach Test plus pareidolia. Where’s the poem telling you to fold satellite images back onto themselves? And are you using satellite images that predate 2010 (cuz that’s all Forrest would have had at the time)? I’m not even sure satellite image folding is something Forrest would know how to do — he’s already admitted he doesn’t know PhotoShop.

          • A Y-shaped 7′ stick, Charlie, that casts a shadow of a certain length on a certain date and time?


          • JA. yes, on August 22nd, shadow is 80′ long. It’s part of the “key”.

            Zap, I don’t know photoshop either, I use a different program.
            Actually, the blaze is in the pic, centered. But I know what you are saying. I think it’s somewhat ridiculous myself, but remember, coordinates got me to this spot, and this is what was there. As far as doubling the pic, he does it in a lot of his pics. I’ve posted before, it’s f having fun. I guess if you were wise, all aspects of the chase to consider, kind of thinking. But here is the blaze:
            The difference is just if I was a couple steps one way or the other.
            The thing is, coordinates got me here, and this is what was there. At the time I didn’t know, didn’t figure out what I was looking at, until I remembered I was looking for a “Y” something, and at 7′. Goes with Skippy, knowlege, and standing up. (Skip “p” leaves you with “Y”, know lege is legend, leg end is foot, and then my numbers, “Y” equals 7)
            Girlfriend thought she could use the stick as a walking stick, but then found she couldn’t, so she chucked “Skippy” out into the forest.
            I would agree with you on the special knowledge thing with Andrew Marvell, but, tooo coincidental. My numbers give me for his name 16 21, which was the year the guy was born. He died at age 57, and his poem looks like the campfire, at 97 stanzas. . Also, the blaze, to me,. is, “the” equals 7, “b” lazy. Lazy 7, lazy b.Or, 97.Also, f was 66 years old in ’97, summer. 66 equals FF.
            As for the poem, it’s all there also, except the flip satellite pics comment, but that is still in the scope of the chase. There are other things that point me here that I can’t discuss for obvious reasons. Also, the blaze is my clue 4. Just like we were both fooled by the pic, gives reason why f “thinks” someone might have 4 clues but not sure. That someone wasn’t very clear or didn’t know themselves.
            Hey, I’m not too keen on the idea of this being a blaze, but all the other factors, and the coordinates point to this spot. So it is what it is I guess. But thinking about it, it is a pretty good blaze…

    • My very first solve was in Anaconda. As you say, lots to work with, but I was never able to make it all work. Anaconda has the tallest brick chimney – used as part of a smelter that was once there. The water vapor from this chimney was my “water High” – “Look quickly down” onto a small creek, where I thought Indulgence was. My, My how times have changed – Good luck in your search – JDA

      • I drove by that a lot on I-90 this summer. My first solve was Joe Brown creek area and that feels like a long ago.

  85. IMO, The Blaze points to the second Omega, also known as the end of Fenn’s rainbow. In this way , it serves as a trail blaze in the traditional sense, by providing direction. Anyone interested in seeing a picture of what I believe to be the blaze (as well as collaborating “evidence”), feel free to email me:

    • I think you are on the right track. I am working on a solve that starts and ends at Omegas. I didn’t realize that fact until I was on the edge of sleep one night and my ruminations morphed into a weird cartoony dream. Forrest even put in an appearance as Capt. Kid(d). LOL

      I don’t have all the clues figured out with confidence yet, so I have not gone BOTG. Still trying to nail some things down. My biggest problem is that I have too many hoBs in close proximity to choose from, and they all can be made to work in the solve. That tells me I probably haven’t found the right one yet; it should stand out from any other candidates in the area, I would think. It needs to be THE home of Brown, not just A home of Brown.

      Of course, I always have more than one iron in the forge. I’m just waiting for one to reach its working heat so I can beat the Dickens out of it.

  86. What if. What if? Simplify. Simplify?

    In a deluge of dreams that have yet to cease, my consciousness keeps me thinkinging even when my eyelids are closed. Let’s say for a moment that the line, “I give you title to the gold” is to be taken literally as the title of the book: The thrill of the chase. What if that is the blaze. What if that is the blaze?

    The numeric value of “the thrill of the chase” is 202. So I’m looking for coordinates that total 202.

    But then there is that theme of twins, double omegas, 2 ends of the rainbow, etc. in…what if im looking for 2 coordinates that both equal 202. What if im looking for 2 coordinates that both equal 202?

    But the there is that darn look quickly down. So if i look quickly down from 202….I’m at 201 or 203. Most would think 201 is down and 203 is up. But if I have 2 202’s…I should look in the middle. So if be looking for coordinates in the middle of my 202s that total 201.

    But wait. What if. What if?

    Then I wake up.

    • And then last night….the what if of the century arrived. Forrest was shot down twice. What if 201 is shot down to 200. What if 201 is shot down to 200?

      200 feet. 200 feet? 2 seconds equals 202 feet. The thrill of the chase.

      I think i got it!

      Then i woke up.

      • Twingem, it’s nice to know others visit the vacuum of the space/time fabric of sacred geometry. You can’t have memory without time. Dreams are real as it gets.

        Thank you for sharing thoughts on 202/200 shot down twice. Shot means turned. Turned down twice. Infinity turns twice for 88.

          • Those 2 shot glasses in the silverware drawer are always in my dreams too! I need to do some shots apparently….

        • Hi Twingem: those shot glasses in SB107 have always bugged me — who keeps shot glasses in a flatware drawer? 😉 (Especially an infrequent drinker like Forrest) Seems like he was staging a visual hint, but I haven’t managed to pick up on what it could be.

          • Who knows Zap – Maybe he just wanted us to “Take a shot” – (or two) at what the flatware drawer meant 🙂 JDA

          • I have always been amazed at the “Order and Discipline” necessary to keep a drawer that neat 🙂 JDA

          • The shot glasses look way too much like mini binoculars to me. But that is likely pareidolia (great word – thanks for that).
            I’ve said before that aberrations, resolve, and tight focus always have me thinking about optics.

          • No idea if this means anything, but here I go….

            The two shot glasses resemble binoculars. You can use binoculars to get into tight focus on something. This calls to mind the comment about “[…] in tight focus on a word that is key. The drawer has forks in it. A fork can be a “key” if it is a tuning fork.

            So, “[…] in tight focus on a fork”?

            Fork in a road?
            Fork of a river/creek?

            Doesn’t really help me much, but maybe it will help someone wiser than me.

          • Growing up…we use a shot glass for measurements … 1.5 fl oz, 3 tbsp, 8 tsp…
            It was just easier to use one than standing there pouring out on to a spoon, and more fun to use when making rum cake.

    • Forrest Fenn is “22”, (pages in the book, 14 8), that’s also the rainbow degree seen, rainbow halo 22 degrees, the number in the coordinates you seek in your sleep are 2442. You know, 66, FF. It’s also in your clues. Sit in the middle of the Bighorn medicine wheel, the 24th spoke is at 22 degrees, it follows the arrow, draw a tangent, to “X”. Dance with the stars, find a bell.

      My alarm “bell” wakes me.

      • Well…to me Forrest = 101…if he were a twin…202. Ttotc = 202. Also, 202 is washington dc area code…and you know how much Forrest adores the DC folks who have chased him. Double jeopardy?

        • catch 22…? He did want people to follow in his footsteps.
          Do you pronounce 202 as: two oh two, or as: twenty two? Maybe we found the same thing two different ways. Wouldn’t be the first time…

          • Twig, maybe your 202, look in the middle idea can pan out. In the middle is a circle, like at Bighorn, sit in the middle, now you have the 22. A rainbow halo is seen in the mountains at 22 degrees. The 24th spoke would create a 22 degree angle. Here’s a pic of the wheel with Dr. Eddy’s diagram:
            The Anaconda stuff is just me, my spot, disregard that, follow the green line. Check out Google Earth. Runs thru Wyoming and Montana. (narrows the search down to 2 states):)

  87. Charlie

    Can you put this in lay man”s terms.
    Where did you or this Dr Eddy come up with the Green line?

    • Its going over the 24th spoke. Creates a degree. 22, same as rainbow. Its all a hint, outside the poem, kind of. Extend a tangent comment.

  88. Ray,

    Uptread you mentioned a tuning fork. The first photo from my June search is not great because it was getting late, but would it qualify? It even closely resembles an omega.

    And the second photo was posted on the truck of that same tree and one of those critters sure looks like an owl to me.


  89. He said: “Although many have tried, I doubt that anyone will find the blaze before they have figured out the first clue”. f’

    Is he implying that you CAN find the blaze with just the first clue?

    I did my first BOTG in MT a couple weeks ago. I feel like I had the right general area, but even that is so huge. I found a GE blaze that seemed to fit and went directly there. Fail. In the end, my takeaway is this: if your solve involves getting to an area, and then looking aimlessly around for the blaze, you solved nothing. The wilderness is too big to stumble upon the blaze. You have to know what it is. Plus he said:

    “NOTHING about it will be accidental”. NOTHING, not even finding the blaze. The person who finds it will move with confidence. Seemingly knowing 8 out of 9 clues only to be perplexed with the last is far from confidence. I’m going to have to rethink the entire thing. But I am confident that this particular method that many of us use is flawed, perhaps not even in the right universe.

    • corepuncher, please give us some guidance regarding what universe our
      method should exist in, in order to be an improved version. Thanks in advance.

      • But am I right in assuming that most of us solve “most” of the clues, go to our spot and are looking around aimlessly for a blaze? Maybe I’m wrong. But as he says NOTHING about it will be accidental, meaning you will know what the blaze is and how to find it, meaning, the rest of the solve is in vain if your solve does not include what the blaze is. Well that’s the way I see it after being out there.

        • If you’ve been wise…” This is past tense. Therefore, “If you have been wise yesterday, or some previous yesterday, and have found the blaze…” (Interp.) This means that we HAVE to know what the blaze is BEFORE we put BotG.

          We HAVE to know what we are looking for. Maybe this knowle(d)ge comes from something we read or say in TToTC BEFORE we put BotG. JMO – JDA

          • I generally agree with your logic, but I see a couple other possibilities here that don’t require solving the blaze before BOTG, but do require “prior knowledge” of sorts.

            1. Partial Prior Knowledge
            You have to know at least approximately *where* to look for the blaze when you go BOTG, but maybe you are supposed to learn *what* the blaze is somewhere between WWWH and the blaze itself. You found the blaze because you were wise enough to pay attention to your surroundings and learn what you needed along the way. (The journey teaches you as you follow it.) The unwise people missed the lessons because they were not paying attention along the way, do not recognize the blaze when they see it, and therefore walk right through it trying to find it. Proceeding with confident purpose here means knowing (not just hoping) the blaze will reveal itself to you before you reach it.

            2. No Prior Knowledge but Perfect Prior Solve
            You don’t need to know what it is before BOTG because it will be blindingly obvious the second you see it … like a big arrow shaped sign painted in blaze orange 500′ off the trail behind a boulder and imprinted with the message, “Fenn Treasure!!! Look here!!!” (As an absurdly extreme example.) You were just wise enough to solve the clues up to that point, and to be expecting to find something unusual in that particular spot. The unwise people just keep on following the trail and never see the blaze behind the boulder because they didn’t have exactly the right solve. To malquote the guardian of the Grail in an Indiana Jones movie, “They solved … poorly.” Proceeding with confident purpose here means knowing exactly what direction to proceed from the last clue before the blaze so you don’t pass it by.

            Just brainstorming “out loud”, as it were. My blaze is not a confident one, so my logic may be sputtering and fizzling.

          • Ray;

            Regarding your paragraph #1.

            Forrest said: ““A dare went out to everyone who possessed a sense of wanderlust; study the clues in the book and thread a tract through the wiles of nature and circumstance to the treasure. … I warned that the path would not be direct for those who had no certainty beforehand, but sure for the one who did.”

            Your statement: “You found the blaze because you were wise enough to pay attention to your surroundings and learn what you needed along the way. (The journey teaches you as you follow it.) seems to disagree with what Forrest says – Doesn’t it?

            Same argument for paragraph #2. “…the path would not be direct for those who had no certainty beforehand (before Botg), but sure for the one who did (who knew beforehand what the blaze was – and where to find it). JMO –

            Good thoughts though – JDA

  90. There is nothing special about the Blaze, nothing that would cause it to stand out, in and of itself. Forrest says as much when he commented, “There are a billion blazes…” In fact, the Blaze only becomes recognizable in relation to the clue in the poem that precedes it.

    • So, Joe, what is the clue in the poem that precedes it? For me it is “Just heavy loads and water high.” So, the blaze only becomes recognizable in relation to Heavy Loads and Water High.

      This sure makes one think doesn’t it? Good find. I had not seen that quote before. Where did you find it? Can you give a source so I can put the quote into context – Thanks – JDA

      • JDA: only the “billion blazes out there” is a quote from Forrest. The rest, I believe, is an assumption that Joe is running with.

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