I Think The Chest is Here…



Many searchers have decided the chest is in a general area…maybe even a specific area of the known universe of the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe. So this is the place where we can talk about where we, as individuals, think the chest is at…Don’t give away too much though… 🙂


264 thoughts on “I Think The Chest is Here…

  1. This is very difficult.
    I started out with certain thoughts as, it’s in New Mexico.
    Later I strongly suspected Wyoming.
    Now the closest place I can think the chest is located is in the Rockies. 🙂

    • lol… this made me laugh.. because although we end up with the same ending thought, I was the reverse. I started thinking it was for sure in Wyoming, then later felt New Mexico, and now all I feel sure about is– it is in the Rockies. However, I have a nagging feeling towards the north again.

  2. I have looked the past 2 years in a couple of canyons. Coming back up is a heart attack. I could only take 6 steps before continuing up the canyon. Don’t be greedy and go alone.. Take a friend who will stay at the car or leave a note on your dashboard if you go alone. The canyons where I was were so heavily eroded from spring thaw runoff that the treasure would have been destroyed. Only texting worked on my phone to my friend at the car. We could not call each other. I brought a whistle with me and pepper spray. I do know what the home of Brown is which helped start my search area. It is so obviously funny when you figure it out. But, my other clues were wrong. I only go in the Fall to avoid rattle snakes. Going again this October.
    — Dogbone

  3. Narrowing your search helps. If you’re not using Google earth satellite, you dont stand a chance. You also need to use ground view also to look for barbed wire fences that have “No trespassing ” signs.
    Remember, if you find the treasure on private land, it’s not yours. If you find the treasure on public land, it’s not yours.
    Forrest was careful that way. I hope that narrows your search. If you find it, it probably has a tracking device on it. Forrest said he would know if someone found it.
    Forrest does not respond to his website replys. So if you find it, let him know and then shut up about it. He wants a few things back from it.

    • What land type are you hinting that it’s on then? If not private and not public, doesn’t that rule out everything? The only land category where I think the treasure would be yours (out of the categories listed on Forrest’s map) is on BLM land… which is public.

    • BTW Forrest hinted that only the first two clues would be discoverable on Google Maps / Google Earth. (“The little girl in India cannot get closer than the first two clues.”) That means that only WWWH and TIITCD are visible in maps or on satellite imagery, and without BOTG. THOB is definitely not visible without BOTG, according to Forrest’s statement.

      • That’s not necessarily true. All clues except the very last one can be seen from Google Earth. Mr Fenn has stated that the TC can NOT be seen from GE “because it doesn’t go down that far” (paraphrasing)

        In my chase… this statement is true and can be verified (not willing to do so yet due to obvious locations along the way from WWWH to Blaze)

      • Hi OnTheChase: consider that Forrest may have correctly answered the very specific question that Jenny asked: “Can a little girl in India, who speaks good English, but only has your poem and a map of the US Rocky Mountains, work out where the treasure is?”

        What do you imagine is meant by “a map of the US Rocky Mountains”? How might Forrest interpret that? Jenny didn’t mention a word about Google Earth, digital maps, or even maps plural. A single map of the US Rocky Mountains. Sounds like a physical (e.g. paper) map to me. How much detail would such a map have if it contained the entire US Rocky Mountains?

        Nevertheless, his answer was interesting. It suggested that even on a wide scale, unavoidably coarse map, the first two clues are still solvable!

        • Hi James — yes, Fenn did. But not Jenny. Forrest was answering Jenny’s specific question. I’m confident the third clue cannot be found on a paper map that spans the entire U.S. Rockies.

    • Check laws and regulations concerning abandoned property. You probably will find a loophole concerning state and federal property. Each state may be different. Forrest said, “ I give you title to the gold” for a reason. He is publicly stating he is abandoning rights of ownership to the finder making it abandoned property. You can’t dig on federal property so IMO it is not buried in those areas. Why would Forrest give up ownership to something that could not be removed? Do your DD ahead of time about abandoned property if you are lucky enough to find the trove you may be in an area without cell and internet access. What will you do then, and who are you going to call? Be prepared.

  4. Greetings,
    dogbone & others, heed Mr. Fenn’s cautionaries, use contours to your advantage, when in your 70’s, balance
    and knowledge of slow heals from bone breaks will dictate your traverses.
    IMO, that First People’s historical locations, fishing, and some solitude of view are all joined at the hip, Sooo,
    N. NM., SW. CO. & both sides of the
    Winds in WY.. are my looks.

  5. I love all the “additional” rules people tend to throw out there. From what I recall, reading and researching about Mr. Fenn, he wasn’t exactly a “by the book” kind of guy. He BROKE rules! The poem says if you find the treasure, which may or may not be somewhere along the Madison, it is yours to keep!! PERIOD!! END OF STORY!! GO IN PEACE!! PLEASE, PLEASE, JUST GO IN PEACE!! LOL OH yeah, and give Fenn the bracelet. IMHO

  6. Pretty sure it’s in Wyoming. I am dying to get out there this summer to pursue a theory in an area that I already looked. There was an interview where I think Forrest said too much, and he caught it right away, but the interviewer didn’t. Nuff said.

    • Allen,

      Yellowstone was it for me when I first started the Chase, but have since moved on after becoming better acquainted with Forrest’s personality and what’s important to him.


      • Hi Pinatubocharlie,

        I will return to my search area in Yellowstone for the third time in July. If I don’t find it this time, I may start looking at solves in NM…

        I personally don’t think he would hide it anywhere else.

        Either way, I have found contentment in my chase, and that has made all the difference.

        Good luck on your chase in 2018!

  7. I still believe it is in Gallatin County in Montana. But that’s only a guess based mostly on intuition and biased assumptions rather than the clues fitting in that place better than say… Idaho or Utah.

    I would be so happy if I could find a serious contender for a blaze on one of my trips…

      • So if you find yourself “on the path” to the chest, then
        you should look quickly down? What if the “path” is
        more than 5 miles long? Good luck.

          • A path ‘could’ be man made. That isn’t to say that it is. There are directions in the poem. I’m absolutely convinced. You just absolutely must have the correct starting point, err location.

        • Actually I’m slowing down gonna start walking more like a 80 year old and I’ll tell her I have about two more pair of boots we can add to the pile Boots on the ground burriel site if they could only tell our story a hundred years from now hehe

        • And are you saying your going searching in the snow don’t do it do not seek the treasure I repeat do not seek the treasure

          • There and back DG..Already visited West Yellowstone. Had another reason to head there this winter. I skied on the Riverside trail…checked on your sister’s boots under the stump and glided along the river a bit and back to town. It was sunny and bright and cold and about 18inches of great snow on the ground under the trees. More along the river. I had a fun day…Looked for steaming Bison and active Beavers around their houses…
            Saw Bison. Didn’t see Beavers…nor moose nor elk that don’t exist..
            Didn’t actually look for the chest but did scout an area that I will go back to in late spring…
            A good time was had by all!!!

          • Wow dal you can ski I’m impressed Hehe And if you would search in the right area like me you would see all the animals lol even porcupines

        • Dal,

          Have you found green obsidian in Gallatin? In my younger years you could find big chunks in a couple of canyons.

  8. After 5 trips…my money and future 6th trip this spring is on northern NM.
    Have further narrowed our solve after each trip. You really have to get out in the area you have decided on for your solve and match it up to the poem, Forrest’s comments, TTOTC, other searchers advice and thoughts. I truly thank the BOTG and armchair searchers/detectives on this blog for their insight and deductive reasoning. Without their help our solve would be useless to us. Whether our solve is right or wrong almost doesn’t seem to matter as much. We just enjoy getting outside in northern NM and trying to match up the clues. Kinda like an Easter egg hunt when you were a kid. The scenery is worth the trip all by itself. Just wish it were closer to our home in NC so we could search more often.
    Good luck to all and stay safe.

  9. Dal- IMO, from what I’ve heard about your theory in an interview… you had the exact right idea of what the blaze is. I think you were spot on when you said it, you may have just been looking in the wrong place. I’d love to share my solve with you… but it’s just too close now. Go with your gut. God Bless!

  10. New Mexico –
    inside old ____ (red) near Hermit peak.
    in a rat midden in wilderness near ‘tub’
    near the rain&parachute roads at 10,000 ft
    in middle of Aspen view (where I’d like)
    Brownie hike
    Hamilton Mesa
    Cave Solo, New Mexico
    near Abiquiu near divide and echo
    Eagles Nest

    National parks
    Wolf creek pass
    Miracle mile
    Steve canyon
    Air Force Academy – near
    North Platt

    Yellowstone Wolf lake
    Pebble creek
    Penny Lake
    End of Firehole
    7 mile
    North Platt
    Electric light bulb cane pole

    Kitchen sink

    Lots more possibles in each state which I won’t mention because I’ve got 7-9 clues to each. The above only a few clues fit each but have all been searched according to internet. So must not be at any of those.

    I would consider looking for following:
    a caliched covered or carved out white rock near smaller stream.
    Dry place favored.
    Wood leaned against cliff.
    Buffalo robe in ochre curled up in a cliff rat midden.
    Undercut bank at end sharp curve in slow area of river or small island or rock outcrop with hidden fur type cache.
    Under bridge
    Coin nailed on tree. Look up

    Just my humble (and limited by other option whic I keep secret) opinions
    though. Good luck.

  11. Why must I go, and leave?
    Because you get to it from Wyoming, but you must leave Wyoming. So the only way to get to it is Thru WY. But you leave wyoming……
    Understand? Lol….makes sense to me.

  12. Methi0nks it’s in a relatively safe place. Forrest never indicated he took a gun or rifle with him. Personally, I will never take a hike into the wilderness where I’m on the menu without some protection. At 80, even with two trips, I don’t think he hauled all that weight around very far off the road. This leads me to think many are overthinking the poem and its clues. Parks might work but that gives me issues with “finders keepers”. I have been certain it’s in New Mexico. That didn’t work so I moved on to Colorado, Wyoming, and Montana. I’m beginning to wonder if “where warm waters halt” have anything to do with water at all. Somewhere on public lands, not far from the road in Colorado sounds reasonable. He could have made this in one day in a sedan. I’m looking at the roads going north from New Mexico into southern/central Colorado.

    • Temperature of warm water freezes at what degrees?
      Where is warm water near a military fort?
      If warm water freezes into ice ….look for ___ .
      Where does a warm springs end…when it joins a river.

      • As I read it, it talks about “warm waters” (plural). What does this mean? I am skeptical about hot/warm springs joining a river because it doesn’t halt. It merely cools down. Hence the Firehole river folks talk about doesn’t hold water (pun intended) for me. Hope I’m still on topic. Please, someone, find this thing!~

        • Bob,

          I have to disagree. For simplicity sake, let’s call it “Warm Waters”, and let’s call it “Big River.”

          “Warm Waters” flows down the mountain, until it joins “Big River”. “Warm Waters”, we can consider an entity, or a thing. The water that flows down the mountain takes on a personality (if you will). It, as an entity that is known as “Warm Waters.”

          When this entity meets “Big River”, as an entity, “Warm Waters” ceases to exist, or it halts. When the waters of “Warm Waters” meets the waters of “Big River” – does it become “Warm Waters/Big river”? Nope. The combined waters become known ONLY as The waters of “Big River”

          The waters of “Warm Waters” (as an entity) has come to a halt, by merging with the waters of “Big River.” Make sense? Does to me. JMO – Tell me how this logic is flawed Bob. JDA

          • I agree with that logic. If a river ends in any way, including merging with another river, then the river can be thought of as halting. The water in the river doesn’t, but the waters of the river does.

        • Look for ‘warm’ rivers, springs, lakes, creeks that flow into larger rivers. Lots of those in states.

          Side note:
          Fenn’s father liked big switches while Forrest preferred small. Fenn liked grapette (small)
          How many rivers with forks? One big one small? Big creek, little creek. Big lake little lake. Big lake area, little lake area like Hebgen lake shape Grayling.
          (Just my two cents. All these have been searched many times though.)
          Good luck to all.

          • Also,
            what is travertine if not where hot springS halt..turns into stone?

            When geysers or hot springs fizzle out like above Madison junction hike areas, then have those waters also halted?

            Just food for thought…

          • And hot streams tumble down and halt at river ‘bank’. Bank = riches = money = bills\currency. =. Presidents & treasury secretaries and others – who was one of many USA Treasurers in 1930’s?
            W. H. WOODIN

            Where are Jefferson, Madison, Gallatin on US currency? And in Montana rivers? ‘Wash’-ington not too far from there. Lincoln?
            Are bison on currency? ‘Standing’ liberty, Eye (Ojo) of Providence, etc.

            So is river ‘bank’ possibly where Wwwh?

            There are so many ways to read poem. This is just one of many possibilities, maybe?

    • Denver Mint-Riches new and old?? They have a hanging Lake in Colorado-and a Tarryall, and aFarista and Farita Colorado-also Glaciers and Trains and Tunnels down from them-IMO-I really like Colorado!!!

        • I also came up with Colorado-because abbreviated it can be CO., COL., or Colo.
          and that weird semi-colon, Fenn dropped in-half-colon=Col. I know it’s a stretch! But, it does mean red, or colored-as in blushing? Which to me could be our warm? Like, Colorado Waters Halt? Again-it’s a bit of a stretch I guess! I just really like Colorado.! LOL!!

          • I’m thinking the same. Hecla junction sounds good for a starting place

  13. I believe that I know where it is. I am not going to post that location right now. But I am confident enough that I believe my kids and I will be able to walk right to it. We are leaving tomorrow morning. Wish me luck!

  14. Ele descreveu um trecho que ele conhece bem. Talvez de Madison Junction até Ojo Caliente…tantos anos escondido (calha do Firehole River na altura da ponte de ferro)….duzentos pés abaixo do Ojo Caliente geyser…pode estar coberto de lama, pedrinhas, vegetação…talvez ele não tenha enterrado, mas pode ter sido enterrado pelo tempo…Home of Brown = Sentinel Creek… Blaze = trajeto percorrido por ele de bicicleta várias vezes quando criança (precedente para alguém seguir) …Se alguém encontrar me dê uma gorjeta.

  15. Well partners its time to saddle up ole Buttermilk and head out under blue New Mexican skies. It sure is mighty fine scenery up near Olga’s Taos Mountain (Mt. Wheeler) and it’s watersheds.

    I need to pack some cornmeal in my possible bag for some fried mush on those sprite mornings in the Southern Rockies near Tierra Amirillo where Eric Sloan once had a house.

    I will just lope along those game trails not made by man exercising my lungs inhaling the scent of Pinion. Then I will equate the directional alignment of the Gravel Maze ( Marvel Gaze) at no place for the meek (Ghost Ranch) bashing in the blazing refection of the red cliffs..

    Too many arrows point to the LAND OF ENCHANTMENT.
    IMOP -guy-

  16. Aha, The map of Gallatin National Forrest which was burnt in Looking for Lewis and Clark.
    There are some Blue Ribbon trout rivers & streams there I must check especially around Gallatin Gateway.

    • “The map of Gallatin National Forrest which was burnt in Looking for Lewis and Clark.”

      That map did produce a blaze. At least in the book.

      • Burning the map did help produce a blaze & maybe where “the blaze” is.
        All the stories in his books are special otherwise they wouldn’t be in the book or the internet. We can all pick and choose which stories, text or pictures to spark your imagination where the treasure is.

        Looking for Lewis and Clark seems to have a “hint” within but does not lead you directly to the treasure but gives a general area that was special and dear to him and now I have to find the secret spot in this area which will not be easy considering Mother Nature is my only competition.

    • I’m looking at databasin.org (use dataset Montana Blue and Red Ribbon Streams). It shows the Gallatin, Madison, and Yellowstone having large sections of Blue Ribbon in the GNF, but none of their tributaries are listed as Blue Ribbon.

      That could narrow it down for you…

      • Thanks Muset, I tried to work that site but I’m not a techy. I think it’s note worthy the Madison, Gallatin rivers are Blue Ribbon. We all know he knows these rivers quite well like the back of his hand. I can’t imagine the treasure being anywhere else.

  17. I wont give away the river I think it’s next to, but somewhere in YSNP. It’s the only place in the book, apart from Texas, to come up several times over the years. The river is long though, so it’ll be a ton of ground to try and cover.

  18. A creek is usually small, maybe 2 ft. wide and 3 to 6 inches deep and can also be dry in late season after spring melt. Creeks start in small canyons. Why are people following rivers in Yellowstone or the Rio Grande in New Mexico? Stay small. Forrest drove to the spot in a car. He didnt walk too far. But, it must be a decent looking spot to have your bones rest. The home of Brown has nothing to do with a brown trout. Finding the first 2 clues will very easily take you to the other clues and the TC.

    • I never thought of that. He did write “paddle up your creek.” I, like most others here, have spent a lot of time pondering over WWWH and forgot about that clue. It makes a ton more sense looking at that part where to narrow down WWWH could be.

      As for the HOB comment, are you referring to the old ranger station people suspect?

      • Hi Kauri: I think the sensible interpretation of the after-the-fact comments by Forrest rules out a ranger station as being Forrest’s home of Brown since it would undeniably be a manmade structure.

        • Hey Zaphod,
          I don’t know of anywhere Forrest said that home of Brown was not a structure. I am aware that he said that the treasure chest is not associated with any structure. Could you give a reference if he said otherwise? thanks

        • Hi Boaz: it’s not a direct quote from Forrest, but rather relayed information kindly provided (to all) by Cynthia a few months back. I’m sure some would prefer to treat it as hearsay, but knowing Cynthia I believe it’s legitimate information just as if it had come from Forrest himself. Dal opined on this a few months back as I recall and considers it valid data. (But Dal please correct me if my recollection is failing me on that point!)

          I’ve never had any of the clues associated with manmade structures, so it wasn’t much of a revelation to me. Really, Forrest’s declared clue longevity potentiality alone does a pretty good job of eliminating manmade structures for any of the clues.

    • Dogbone,

      According to a my dictionary, a creek is also a small stream or river. I agree that whatever you use…creek, stream or river, stay small. I believe the chest or route to the chest is not involving a raging, wide, large river and you do not have to cross or float one to get to a creek when looking for the chest.
      You can walk to it from a parking lot/area. I’m not saying a person doesn’t have to get wet though to find the chest.
      Good luck and stay safe.

      • Tarry Heels, you should be very careful with your assumptions…a small creek in late May/June can be extremely dangerous depending on snowpack and myriad other variables. Complimentary to that, major rivers can shrink to mere puddles late in the season, again depending on many things. I fish the headwaters of the N Platte every year with my dad and in April, on a good snowpack year, I have seen 5000 cu ft/s, and believe me that is scary, don’t fall in, you will die water…then in the SAME season, early August, water flow was down to 250 cu ft/s, which you can find many wider spots that won’t be much deeper than your ankles and safety is no concern. Timing matters, snowpack matters and narrow canyon vs. wide valley floor (steepness) matters (these are how I would rank them in importance, YMMV)…all IMO of course! Also, be aware of flash flooding…have an escape plan to higher ground if needed. Be safe, be smart, wilderness isn’t just the critters…mama Nature will mess you up.

        • Tbug,

          Agreed 100%.
          Sorry for the late reply. Have had the flu and just got back to blog.
          Have seen the same thing you mention above on my searches. I was referring to the usual stream size and flow of my search area river. A small river which could be jumped in several spots….waded in others. Have seen it high and low. It was also in flood stage causing damage in the canyon, when Forrest mentioned the treasure is wet. Not sure if this was his exact quote. In my mind/solve, it matches with the poem and timing of Forrest’s comment.
          Good luck and thanks for the insight.

  19. If you’ve invested a little money and read Forrest’s book there is something that’s going to jump out glaringly at you and a major clue will be solved. If you haven’t read his books then you’re missing a very large clue. And you need to read every single blog every interview and every publication Forest has ever made or you will lose additional Clues all I’m saying

    • I have found a few pretty solid hints about an area I like, in the book. Others here that are searching in other areas talk about their areas, and I know they are in different areas. I believe they are hints to many areas in the book. The best way to sprinkle in hints but level the playing field at the same time is to provide hints to numerous areas of the Rocky Mountains. This would help explain the statement about hints not directly helping the searcher, paraphrasing. Be careful that they do not aid in confirmation bias.

    • IMO
      I don’t believe that to be true, I think too much information makes it harder. But, I also think that’s the point, to overload. I’ve only read TTOTC & I think I have a pretty good chance at finding it. The chase was on way before any of the newer books. I honestly couldn’t even tell you the titles without looking them up. But what could a high school drop out know. Best of luck!

      • After I read a book, I (also) try to put it where it can
        be found.

        A “high school drop out” could know many, many
        things, including how to deal with a LOT of handles.

        OH! . . . I should say something about where I think
        the chest is.

        I think it’s beyond an area that looks, for all practical purposes, like a desert. But a smart
        searcher should know that he/she won’t be able
        to walk directly towards the chest, because a
        smart searcher should also be smart enough to
        use a dictionary. Hear me good, y’all (not to
        be confused with Jane Goodall)?

        Stress is good — for bones.

        The above is part of my opinion.

  20. Haven’t been on here in a while… Miss all these wild, thought evoking ideas!

    I follow my “map” straight to the end and I wind up at a small margin below the max altitude we’re told to stay under (10,200 ft.) in Rocky Mountain Nation Park ~4 miles off of Trail Ridge Road. There are pathways and landmarks that undeniably align with Forrest’s words that will lead you to Heavy Loads and Water High. And in all my digging – I think Forrest, that clever old man, paraphrased parts of his poem from descriptions he found others use for this area. Standing here I see some of the most beautiful sights that RMNP has to offer from a road built specifically for viewing the splendor of this area, crossing the continental divide and taking those who traverse it past the altitudinal tree line (where warm water quite literally halts and so does all the green that lives off of it). The moraine left by the giant that cut this beautiful landscape serves as a sign I am where Forrest tried so hard to guide me to. Even in the warm season I dare not play in the creek, but instead stay on course to my ultimate end, Indulgence. Like something of legend I come across a small, pristine body of water suspended in the sky. From here, away in the distance, so far it would take me a day or two to walk it, I can see the Blaze. I look down and now I know where he’s stashed it. I know where he would have rested. Simple, in theory, to think that like this challenge has made us look beyond ourselves, beyond the television, beyond what maybe we thought we could do before so do the clues inspire and compel us to look beyond where we are in the moment to see where we are going next. From this place I am near certain I’ll only have a short walk after I look down. I will not linger once I’ve accepted Forrest’s gift, but go in peace as I ponder the Heavy Loads now resting with me.

    • So you think a 79/80 yr old man would walk 4 miles one-way off trail above 8-10,000 feet…with 20lbs, 2x? I think that is a stretch, but maybe you’re saying you have a view of how to get to the spot easier? Good luck on your searches, the park is indeed marvel gaze(s).

      • I do actaully. And not just because I want to! (Lol). Average walking speed for an adult male is ~4mph…

        The pathway I have mapped out isn’t a tough one, but it has some difficulty. And I’m keeping in mind that Fenn was headed here to die. I think an old man as Bold (resolute is a synonymous word for bold) as Fenn was about where his bones would rest wouldn’t bat an eye at it and he was certain this was his resting place. He also says that he’s done it tired and is now weak. We’ll he was tired after the first trek and weakened himself to make the second go, but did it because of his resolve.

        He’s no city boy. He knows mountain terrain and could have still handled it well. If he were some stiff nose I’d think twice. He did this during a season where the days grow long and I put about 5-6 hours total investment for him.

        I also noted that you cannot even access this are during the winter months which is perfectly in line with his words as well.

    • I tried learning about Rocky Mountain Nation Park, but my
      online search for that wasn’t very fruitful.

      It’s apparent that you’ll need a lot of luck to find the TC, so I will wish this to you.

      Good luck in finding the TC.

      All IMO.

  21. There are a lot of good thoughts and ideas circulating around, and looks like several people have specific locations that are being or will be soon searched. For those of you that have a location in mind, I am curious to know if you arrived at your solve location by using every line in the poem, or by just using the lines that contain the actual clues as you understand them? How important do you think the other lines or stanza are with regard to finding the TC?

    • KK,

      I don’t necessarily keep track of the clues, however I believe stanza’s 2, 3, part of 4 and 5 brought me to my solve. The thread or topic you are talking about is found under “Searcher’s Discussions” on the sidebar and then under “The Poem”

        • Thank you for your thoughts, Charlie! I wasn’t sure where to pose this question, since it has both to do with the poem and the location of the chest.

          • KK, The longer I spend studying the poem the more stuff I find in all stanzas. At this point I’m beginning to wonder if every line has useful information. If so, I have a ways to go to figure out all 24.

    • Águas quentes param=Madison junction
      Home office Brown=antes das firehole Falls ou sentinel creek
      Não haverá remos=rio firehole acima
      Grandes cargas e águas altas=depois firehole Falls ou após Sentinel Creek
      Blazer= ojo caliente (ele deixou um precedente para nós seguirmos quando ele era criança)
      TC estará num raio de 200 pes de ojo caliente

      • Marcelo,

        It might be helpful for you to write in English so that you can have more participation, if you can. 🙂

        Have a great day.

        • If you google portuguese to english you can copy and paste his response there, and vice versa to reply. It would be easier if they just do the translation to us first.

          Google Inglês para Português para traduzir se você precisar

    • KK;

      Forrest has said, ““There are nine clues in the poem, and the clues are in consecutive order. If you want to find the treasure chest – you have my book there – I’ll tell you how to do it. Read the book just normally … the poem and the rest of the book, and then go back and read the poem 6, 8, 10 times – study every line, every word. Then after you do that, read the book again, slowly, with the idea of looking for clues or hints, that are in the book that will help you follow the clues. You can find the chest with just the clues, but there are hints in the book that will help you with the clues.” f

      In my opinion, one would be foolish not to use the entire poem. I have stated that I think that the clues are in Stanzas 2,3 and 4, and that the hints are found in the other three stanzas. So, The clues lead me to the treasure, but the hints help with the clues.

      “Hints” in stanzas 5 and 6 led me to my WWWH – where I began my journey. Once I was in a specific place, again, hints lead me to an EXACT place, but it was the clues that got me to the “general” location. “general” may not be the best term. My final “general” location is quite small. – JDA

        • “Brandy, you’re a fine girl” . . .

          Thanks for reminding me of these lyrics.

          I don’t think there is any brandy in the TC.

          Some Kennedy chests are finer than
          others; most of them that I’ve seen and
          touched were good for helping prolong the
          functional life of a tool (Ridgid or not).

          I never wanted to be considered a “boring tool”, but want to [point] out that — perhaps coincidentally — for some tools, a Kennedy
          chest might be considered a home that’s

          I hope I’m not throwing too much of a
          wrench into anybody’s “pent”-up quirks.

          The above is my opinion.

          • I think I read that Forrest originally put a small bottle of hootch in the chest.

      • Thank you, JDA. I was curious how many people are utilizing the other lines, and how important they feel the other lines have been in helping them draw a conclusion in regard to the actual location of the TC. It is interesting to me how many “right” answers and interpretations there are to each clue/hint. It is tricky to figure out the right combination, and the pertinent information, for sure.

        • KK, every line. Like 24 little puzzles. Each line can be broken down and solved. The clues can only be thought of when the poem has been solved, IMO.

          Need to approach the solve like f wrote it. Solve for a spot, the poem gives that. What the poem does not do is solve for all the clues. Some clues need to be found. Anyone who has all nine clues solved before they have solved the poem is just wrong, IMO.

          I believe as you, solve all 24 lines. Do not mess with the poem, move letters or words or stanzas to fit a solve. Just one line after another. Do what is instructed.

          You can be confident in your spot and not know 100% of the clues. Because the poem was not written to solve for clues, it was written to find a spot…

        • Charlie: based on your post, you seem to make the assumption that each of the 24 poem lines is independent of the others (at least as far as clues go), and therefore no clue or hint can span beyond a single line. I think this is not only quite presumptuous, it’s also a big mistake.

          • nope, never said that. There is a flow. From line 1 to line 24. Each line says something other than it’s face value. You make it sound like I believe you can get wwwh from line 5, I’ve always said quite the opposite.
            You know I’ve said this, what are you implying? In fact, you know I’ve said that you can’t start to solve some of the clues until you’ve solved the poem. That goes for wwwh. Why would you think I go by each individual line? I just said each line is like a puzzle to solve. That each line can be broken down and solved. There are even multiple ways to solve some of the lines, doesn’t mean you are solving clues all the time. I’ll say it again, I don’t think all the clues can be solved with the info in the poem, only a spot. From that you can plot your path, along the way finding clues that are referenced in the poem. If you have solved for wwwh before solving the poem, I believe you are 100% wrong. You have to solve the poem. To do that, you have to solve each line in the poem. To do that, you just have to follow the instructions. Do you really think f started out writing this poem with 9 clues on his mind? If he didn’t know there were 9 clues at the time he was writing, how would he have included how to solve the 9 clues? Solving each line is not solving for clues, it is solving the poem, big difference…

          • charlie: you’re just making my case for me. Nowhere do you consider the possibility that a hint or clue could be secreted vertically in the poem, since you talk only about deciphering one line at a time.

          • Ohhh, I get what you are saying, I think. For me Zap, the poem has layers to it. Go thru it, go back again, then again, then once more. The clues/ or path flows from line 5 to line 24. It takes multiple things to solve some clues. Some, yes, just one line does it. It’s hard for me to explain. I guess that’s the issue. I should say a clues “reference” in the poem comes down to a line. Like clue 5 for me being line 16. But there are multiple things that make up that clue. It’s just, the reference for it is in line 16, for me. Like wwwh, line 5, but we both know that line 5 doesn’t solve for wwwh. It’s the reference. Here’s what I get:
            Clue 1, line 5, wwwh
            clue 2, line 6, canyon down
            clue 3, line 9, no place for the meek
            clue 4, line 13, the blaze
            clue 5, line 16, just take the…
            clue 6, line 17, so why is it….
            clue 7, line 20. tired and weak
            clue 8, line 22, effort…..
            clue 9, line 24, title to the….

            Those are the reference lines, but there is much more into them that makes them a clue. The poem lines aren’t ‘independent” of the others in such that the layers and the flow of it all mix it all up pretty well, to show 1 path, 1 spot, and only 1 way to put it all together. For me…

      • After reading you guys here, I am rereading the book right now!

        “… but to the dirt, I am a Caliph”.

        I’m not betting anything on it, but I have a solve too.


    • If clues have been solved with a high degree of confidence up to the point of parking the car, should unused lines concern a searcher who has a few days to scour the area? Of course, ideally, the more lines that one can draw some meaning from, the better.

      My hope is that FF’s autobiography contained in the chest will fully explain the poem; I assume that he assumes the successful searcher may not have it 100% solved.

      • Xfiles, I share your sentiments. I would be most interested to know exactly what each line is meant to represent outside of just the location, and that the finder may not have correctly worked out each line.

        • KK –
          Exactly. What’s the poem mean to *him*? He asks us in the poem why he hid the trove; I think the answer is that he wants to give us the thrill of the chase that’s he’s had in various times of his life. Chasing a painting, chasing Lewis and Clark, and I think ultimately chasing the meaning of events in his life. As searchers, many of us are finding meaning in our own life histories as we think about the poem. Once FF found his own meaning, he tell us in TTOTC that he was at peace. The lines may represent his life’s events that are most dear to him, and that’s what I’d like explained to me. I think if I find the chest, then that night in my hotel room the chest with its gold will be sitting on one of the beds, and I’ll be sitting on the other bed with a magnifying glass reading the autobiography.

          • Xfiles, I hear you on that aspect! I would also be sitting there with a magnifying glass reading. It is one of the things I love most about people. For every question, each person has a different understanding of the context, different interpretation, and different manner of answering. The answers can be different, and still be correct- depending on the context of the question, and how those correct answers are even arrived at can be the result of very different MO’s.

      • XFiles,
        The clues can be solved with high confidence by all of us in all 4 states.
        I think you should end up with some unused lines or lines that are not clues or hints, I just don’t know which ones are which.

      • If you have solved every line successfully, and have found Indulgence, you will know EXACTLY what every line means – That seems rather obvious, even to a casual observer – JDA

        • I think it is possible to solve the poem, and not completely understand the motivation. I have an answer for each line, and a location I am waiting to search. I am in no way wise, but I am smart enough to know that there is no way I can climb into another persons head enough through a poem (or any other media) and totally understand their motivation and hopes for interpretation. I think I get it, but that doesn’t mean I do, even if I find it. I am just highly intrigued by the whole thing.

  22. BLM land, mostly wyoming. Because if you find minerals or precious metals on blm land just stake a claim, and all is yours legally. Is that why we’re told to wait 30 days for the claim to be file’d

    • I like this train of thought. I like BLM land more than private land, or other more restrictive public land, because of the ease of the “give you title” aspect.

      • Cris L,

        You may have trouble with BLM land. The best “Just take it and go in peace” would be National Forests or Wilderness areas. No NPs, nor State parks.


        • CharlieM;

          BLM and National Forests have identical regulations. In both, if you “find” something of value, you are supposed to take it to the nearest office and detail when and where you found the item. It will be held in escrow for up to 90 days while they endeavor (right) to find the rightful owner is made. If no “owner” (Forrest) steps forward, the government can say that it is in the best interest of the “public” that it be liquidated, and that the proceeds be retained by the Forest Service or BLM. RIGHT!! I assure you, If I find it I will turn it in – RIGHT! JDA

          • JDA,

            I disagree, From The Daily Beast interview with F on 02/28/2013

            “who owns the land where Fenn hid the treasure? Not Fenn, or so he tells me. He won’t confirm that it’s on federal land—“too big of a clue,” he says—but he feels darn entitled to use such land as he pleases, no matter how sacred ground. “I own the government,” he told me. “I’m a taxpayer.”

            Also, remember F paid a lawyer 8 grand to ask that very question. I simply cannot believe F would hide the TC knowing full and well it could be taken away and the finder gets 0.
            I don’t think so.

            He used the land for a treasure hunt for all to play a game of sorts. He didn’t disturb the land or anything upon it. He only left something.. when someone finds the treasure F transfers ownership, game over one wins.


          • CharlieM;

            I am not arguing Forrest’s intent. I am only stating what the law is as I have read it, and been told it is. A “Finder” is supposed to turn it in – Will the finder follow the law? Probably not. If the finder does follow the law, turns it in, and immediately notifies Forrest (if he does not already know) I am sure that Forrest would notify appropriate authorities that he is the rightful owner, and has three books and hundreds of thousands of people who would back him up. The Forest Service returns Forrest’s “Lost” item to him, and Forrest then “gives” it to the finder in appreciation of his/her honesty. End of story. It would be impossible for the Forest service to claim that Forrest was not the rightful owner – end of case. – JDA

          • Hi Friends,

            I have to think Forrest has left some kind of instructions in the chest for the finder. I know he has not said that, but he did say he left something he does not want to talk about. Suppose his instructions are there, and they make it clear what the finder is to do; Then the argument is null.

            There are 2 kinds of people in the crowd who are looking for the TC; The first is the one who wants the notoriety and will make it known. The second is the kind of person who will never tell anyone, but might follow the detailed instructions Forrest has left with the TC (might or might not).

            What if someone finds it, and is NOT seen finding it, and that person takes it home and never tells anyone? Would Forrest end the Chase and never tell us the solution? Really there are several kinds of end results to consider. Going public means a lot of attention from a lot of people.


          • JDA,

            The TC is not a “lost item” F can get it at any time. Anyone can use the NF for any activity so long as it is left the way you found. This is a treasure hunt no body lost anything its an activity that a lot of people are involved in. It would be darn hard for the FS to say otherwise.

            If it where truly a lost item of value and there’s no activity going on of any sorts, then I would agree.

  23. FF wanted us to experience the thrill of the Chase? Who else was chased? FF was chased in Vietnam. Joe Meek was chased in Yellowstone. The Nez Perce were chased through Yellowstone. But I don’t want to experience that sort of chase. I don’t want to go down those rabbit holes again.
    I do think that the chest is in the northwest area of Yellowstone.

  24. Please make sure your comment is appropriate for the topic of this page…
    “I Think the Chest is Here”
    Use other pages to discuss other topics such as “The Blaze” or “The Poem” or “Where Warm Waters Halt”… “The Book”…etc..

    • Sorry Dal,
      But Didn’t Forrest say the chest was within ___ ft of first two clues?
      I could be wrong but
      If Begin means ‘begin’ then getting at ‘location of chest’ is nearest first clue perhaps which is wwwh, right?
      So do you want to know closer than wwwh?

      I’m trying to help here get within feet of tc …where it could be imho….and only way to do that is give places near www.

      So here ya go with species mentioned above in my posts about wwwh.
      Madison Junction (hike\lakes), Mammoth Hot Springs {travertine), Gallatin river (smallest of three forks rivers).west Yellowstone all mentioned in my posts above of where I think it is. (But many others exact place of tc near wwwh are in other states also of course)

      Alos you did say not to tell too much…so I was layering.

      Either way…all of my responses above on wwwh were to help others to get within feet of where it’s possibly hidden,.
      Sorry if I was posting in wrong place though. You can delete the posts hopefully.

      Side note: I also think it can only be seen from a particular angle such as from upstream of wwwh. But still very near wwwh.
      Again, sorry ifI broke any rules or offended in any way. I only meant to help answer your question, but there are so many options to share where I “think it is”. Maybe put me on moderation and you choose which to share if I get too chatty? Or limit me to 1-3 posts? I’m ok with that for sure.

  25. I have a search area in southwestern Montana which I stumbled upon while searching GE for clues related to a very specific solve…
    While searching for possible hidey holes, I noticed that the undergrowth in a certain area exhibited indications that the area might once have been home to some sort of native American encampment… An undiscovered archeological sight..
    I can find no reference to this sight anywhere on the internet but there are other such sites relatively near by (within 25 miles)..
    The sight is otherwise unimpressive, no reason for anyone to really go there, but it is fairly accessable and could easily have been stumbled upon by Forrest and/ or his father during the course of their adventures…
    And that is all that I am going to say
    Can’t wait for summer!
    Happy hunting!

    • That’s really cool! But how did Google Earth allow you to see under the treetops to the undergrowth? What were the indications, if you’d share generally? I can see if this site had just been logged then the undergrowth would be captured by a satellite.

      • Through clearings amongst the trees…
        Very subtle hints that there is something going on with the soil in several 20 foot diameter circular areas …. Much like you would see in a fungal induced “fairy ring” but much more geometrically perfect..
        Only botg will tell for sure and even then only if there relics to be found on the surface… I have no plans to excavate…. Even in an exploratory manner….

          • Covert One,
            Google-ing “Tarry Point Circle” brings up some tough geometry equations related to triangles. Is that what you’re referencing?

          • I’ll leave the advanced geometry to you Covert One… I’m more of a calculus guy ! Though I suppose those paths do cross…
            I believe that the poem and any eventual solve should be fairly strait forward… If you squint at it just right and use a little bit of imagination… No intellectual acrobatics required… But a little bit of old fashioned luck wouldn’t hurt! Don’t forget to take your lucky rabbit foot keychain!!

          • Lurker, luck won’t help with this one. FF ensured that even if someone is lucky they won’t “happen” upon it. IMO

            I prefer good old fashioned logic and imagination – thanks, but I’ll pass on the rabbit’s foot.

    • I like watching shows that focus on the old west. This one should be pretty good. Good luck in the Yellowstone area Cynthia…it is going to be packed with other searchers!

    • I agree Cynthia.
      Yellowstone is a top ten contender.
      Latest book
      ‘What do Dabich and Chocolate have in common?’
      Brown hat & brown cuppa? Sitting on top yellowstone map.
      Ice lake wwwh?
      Tired bike push w coach
      Misty\smokey grebe But this is end and not drawing nigh which is instead Gaul’s dead dog = canine = wolf lake?
      Easy but long ‘tired’ bicycle hike
      Echo in box canyon

  26. Here is a challenge. Take The Poem and “marry it” to the “geography” around your own home. Or your back yard or anyplace else that you choose. You will soon see that Forrest made it so simplistic and vague that it literally can apply to anywhere. That is why -knowing- where to “Begin” is the absolute key…only then, will you need to be “wise” and “look quickly down.”

    • LMN, I agree 100%. I often do this in my head when I drive through the red hills and mountains of northern NM. Your suggestion of using one’s home and yard is perfect. An acre is about 210 feet by 210 feet if it’s square. Fenn said searchers have gotten the first 2 clues, and were within about 200 feet of the treasure chest. So you have to “see or discover or find” the last 7 clues within that approximate acre. Or maybe a somewhat linear “path” through this acre, although I think the blaze is higher than ground level so the blaze will be higher with the last clue and chest “quickly down” from it. Anyway, your “challenge” is a perfect exercise, IMO.

      • I don’t think this adds up as it wasn’t stated by f that the first 2 clues solved and within 200 feet were describing the same searcher(s).

      • cynthia, please point us to the source of FF saying
        that SEARCHERS have been within about 200 feet
        of the treasure chest. I think something has been
        lost or changed in “translation”. Thanks in advance.

        I believe that PEOPLE (not necessarily searchers)
        have been within about 200 feet of the treasure
        chest. These people would include FF, Peggy, and
        Doug Preston . . . before the chest was moved to
        where it now is. All IMO.

          • There is also Forrest Gets Mail #9 (11/2/2015) from this site: “Are there signs that people are getting closer to solving your puzzle? How many clues have people solved now?”

            Forrest replies: “Searchers have come within about 200 feet. Some may have solved the first four clues, but I am not certain.” So it’s definitely searchers.

      • Cynthia, I think a searcher could have figured out the first 2 clues but not necessarily have been at Clue 2 when they were within 200 feet of the TC. Darn it.

        • SeeN: agreed. And I think every searcher who has been within 200 feet of the chest *did* solve the first two clues, otherwise they would have had no reason being where they were and bothering to tell Forrest about it.

          • There have been some who have been within 500 feet because they have told me where they have been. Others have figured the first two clues and went right past the treasure and didn’t know it…f. 8/28/15

    • Good guess Marcelo!
      Unfortunately, I think that the entire area is already knee deep in the shattered dreams, crushed egos and discarded crumpled treasure maps of searchers past….
      I doubt if anyone has tried dismantling the arch though…
      Maybe you’re on to something!

    • Marcelo,

      I would hope you can reconsider the Arch. F said, “I said on the Today show that the treasure is not associated with any structure. Some people say I have a desire to mislead. That is not true. There are no notes to be found or safety deposit boxes to be searched. The clues can lead you to the treasure, and it will be there waiting when you arrive.”

      I hope this helps.

      • Charlie M- well stated. the treasure lies just beyond the arch, not at the base. Yellowstone National park.

        Yellowstone is not associated with a structure.
        the clues will lead you to Yellowstone.
        Yellowstone will be there waiting when you arrive.

        i made myself clear.

    • Marcelo-
      Not likely since we know Forrest originally planned to end his life in this spot and he would see animals and trees and that there is no human made trail near the hidey spot…
      In my opinion the hidey spot is not near a populated area such as the arch at Gardiner. It is likely in a beautiful and somewhat isolated area with a view and probably near running water.

      • Yes agree.
        And in a red ochre burial like in prehistory, perhaps? (Away from possible animal discovery of bones.
        Like cache pit, or inside much piled wood or a bier ‘up in trees’ swinging like Tarzan..)

      • I only found two more likely places in Yellowstone, because of the proximity to the slopes and 7,000-foot altitude:
        Ojo Caliente or Madison Junction.
        The two have WWWH.
        The two locations have HoB, no paddle, no meek, heavy loads, high water between them.
        The two have the canyon.
        In both Forrest, he’s been alone.
        You can go by bicycle.
        The two have beautiful views.
        They have the scents and the animals.
        But I did not find the “BLAZE” !!
        Maybe it’s on a perimeter that we have to explore.

        • A lot of folks probably like the Madison Junction area. There’s a lot of blazes of color due to the thermal areas. Some theories downstream from there tie to Queen’s laundry while others that put wwwh further up the Gibbon might tie to areas like Paintpot or One Hundred Spring Plain. There’s probably as many theories as there are creeks.

          Looking at one of these put another idea in my head about the blaze that might narrow down the blaze in these blaze filled areas. (Posting it under the blaze section)

          • There seems to be many that think Madison Junction is WWWH. I think there should be a shotgun start in 2018 there! Of course, that might scare the bison so probably not a good idea.

          • just seems to obvious and easy. Then again, if I was to hide a Mickey Mouse doll, I guess I would hide it in Disneyland.

          • Charlie, I think FF is a master at hiding right within the obvious and a master at hiding specific, necessary information so far away from obvious that it is almost impossible to decipher.

            Disneyland is a perfect place to hide a Mickey Mouse doll.

          • Disney is pretty cool. Benefits of living close= Fireworks show every night. Can set your watch to it.
            Who knows, the chest may be hidden in plain sight. In a dense, no trafficked, forest. To bad he didn’t hide it in the Pirates of the Caribbean ride. Disney might not like everyone getting off the ride to look. Yo-Ho-Yo-Ho….

  27. This may have already been discussed, but without going though all the posts I apologize in advance if it had.

    I have two solves that seem to be on the mark in Yellowstone other then the blaze. My thought is could FF be bringing us to a general area to be wise and follow our blaze to the TC?

    • If your TC was at the blaze, or near it, I guess. But even that seems to general. If you have a solve, and it doesn’t take you within a foot of the TC, best get a new solve.

      • The best possible solve won’t define the search
        area as being smaller than a square meter. For all
        practical purposes, a searcher will be able to get
        within perhaps approximately 20 or 30 feet of the
        TC, but will have to look for it (or its nearby “protecting/covering device”). I think a flat slab of
        dark stone may be the thing to seek.

        The above is part of my opinion. Please don’t
        under-estimate anybody who posts on this blog
        (regardless of “handle”).

        • Tighterconvergence, that is good advise to not underestimate anyone who posts on the site regardless of their posting name. I agree – much brainpower is focused on solving the poem.

          Regarding a correct solve, ff made a comment about how close the correct solve would be to the spot. Now, the interpretation of ff’s comment is a separate matter by itself.

        • the solve will take you “right straight” to it. If f can go right straight to it, and the person that solves the poem knows what f knows, then they can go right straight to it.
          It doesn’t sound like f to have someone solve the poem, and then have to look around. He has commented as much.
          Maybe Murmur doesn’t know all the ATF’s. Idk, but with f’s comments, it’s easy enough to understand that the poem solve will take you right to the chest. Not a general area. Then again, I don’t know Murmur’s definition of a “general place”. So my reply is meant to help. Not underestimating anyone, if that comment was directed to me. If this general area is roughly 200′, then maybe, as long as the rest of the solve gets you within 1′. If it’s 1 mile, maybe not. Unless the rest of the solve gets you within 1′.
          I don’t get the logic here about 20′-30′. I know it’s your opinion, but f has said it will take you right to the chest. 20′-30′ is not right to the chest. Especially in the forest. If somebody is walking by, sees a black stone slab, wouldn’t that seem out of place in the forest? Not very many black slabs out there, so couldn’t somebody just stumble upon that? Most likely. It’s hidden very well, in a forest that can hide things very well. That people are not going to venture in unless they have a good reason. There are no notes or signs that tell you, you have to go to a different spot to find the chest. It is right there, where the poem told you to go. The whole poem, not 14 or 16 lines.
          Murmur, if you have your blaze, and the poem told you to follow whatever it is to the spot, that is what you do. It will take you right to the chest. If you like your solve, and it takes you to a general area, but you must follow a blaze to another spot, and that is what the poem told you to do, then do it. Just know, it will take you to within a foot. Or at the most, a couple steps. You will know, no searching around will be needed. If the poem takes you to a 20′,30′-50′-100′ away from the actual chest location, then you still have work to do with your solve.
          THE BEST solve will take you within a foot…….

          • At least that is your opinion Charlie. Forrest has NEVER said that the poem will take you to within 1′ – And THAT is MY opinion – JDA

          • charlie & JDA,

            I think somewhere F said, (not quote) that the person solves the poem can go to the TC with confidence. That in its self to me is saying go right to it and retrieve it. No with in a foot or inches, no searching, just right there.


          • CharlieM;

            Here is the quote you are looking for:
            5Q) From receiving feedback on hunter’s ideas and methods about how to discover the location of the chest, do you feel confident your method in hiding the chest will eventually be understood and the chest be found? Please know, I am not asking for any specifics. My question is more like, do you still feel your poem will lead someone to the treasure?
            The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with CONFIDENCE. Nothing about it will be accidental. T. S. Eliot said:
            We shall not cease from our exploration
            And at the end of all our exploring
            Will be to arrive where we started
            And know the place for the first time” f

            A bit different than what you are saying. He doesn’t say that “the person solves the poem can go to the TC with confidence.” He says instead: “The person who finds the treasure will have studied the poem over and over, and thought, and analyzed and moved with CONFIDENCE” JMO of what Forrest has stated. JDA

          • P.S.

            I do think that following the clues, I will CONFIDENTLY get within about 10′ of Indulgence. Once there, I am CONFIDENT that things that I have learned from the hints and ATF comments will get me to within a foot or two, and what I then observe will get me to EXACTLY where Indulgence is secreted. Just the musings of an OLD fool – JDA

          • JDA,

            “analyzed and moved with CONFIDENCE.” from your quote from F.

            When does confidence end? At the TC. You go right to it from where your car is parked.

            Just Say’n 🙂

          • FF made it clear how close a “correct solve” would be to the spot….within several steps (or something to that effect) Look up the quote on TS.

            All of the other distances are speculation IMO.

          • CharlieM;

            I totally disagree. I can be confident in my interpretation of all of the clues – including the last clue BUT, if the last clue does not get me to within several feel, I am not guaranteed of finding it. I will be confident that I have solved the very last clue only when I am holding Indulgence.

            Let’s take a hypothetical: Let’s say that Indulgence is concealed in some manner – be it buried, in a bunch of bushes, hidden under a ledge etc.

            The last clue take me CONFIDENTLY to this general area. If I do not KNOW it is buried, will I find it? If I do not KNOW that it is now overgrown with bushes – will I find it? or if I stand on top of the ledge, but do not go below, and see it secreted below the ledge will I find it? Of, course the answer to all three hypotheticals is a resounding NO!. I can CONFIDENTLY go to all three locations, and walk home empty handed. ONLY if I have discerned information, that may NOT be in the poem, will I hold Indulgence. JMO – JDA

          • I find this a great area of conversation and very helpful.
            I have interpreted ‘look quickly down’ as having two possible meanings: you are at the blaze, so look down so you don’t trip over the TC.
            OR, look map south. In this case, the TC could be some short distance directly south of the blaze, so if I was to walk directly south, I could potentially trip over it. (Ouch!)

            After my first few preliminary map searches, I came think of all the instructions as directing me (us) to a very small area where only minimal search is necessary. Maybe it was my belief that if I was writing directions, and then obfuscating those directions, the original un-obfuscated properly named clues would clearly lead the reader to a ‘spot.’ For instance, as the poet, I have in mind a favorite fishing spot and when I walk the stream to my spot, I can see in the distance some feature, a blaze steady drawing nigh, and that then became the TC resting place with the other clues selected to get me there.
            With that in mind, walking south from the blaze for some indeterminate distance would not be accurate enough in my opinion. Maybe I am straying into the realm of poem architecture, but I am now much more strongly considering that the TC is there, at the blaze.

          • charlie, since the poem is not a long
            one, it would have to be pretty specific to lead a searcher to within
            1 foot of the TC. This would likely require a landmark of sorts. Here’s an example:
            If the poem’s proper interpretation takes you to the front door of the Empire State Building, that’s very specific, as the front door is likely
            to be not more than about 6 feet
            wide (a double door). But the TC
            is likely to be out in the wilderness,
            perhaps in a forest. Probably any
            landmarks there are natural, rather
            than made by people. So unless
            a natural thing is very narrow, such
            as a passageway, it’s not likely to
            restrict the search area as much as
            you suggest. But none of this is
            likely to be a problem for one who
            correctly solves the poem. All IMO.

          • FF said: It seems the longer one thinks about the search the more they complicate the problem.
            “Go with confidence”

            You will probably second guess yourself… It’s all in the poem….IMO

    • Murmur- yes i believe Forrest has led us to a general area. and the area to be searched would be a mirror image of that general area. much smaller in size and scope but just as majestic as the general area. i say smaller because this is where children have the advantage. using their imagination. and much safer than the general area, just for the kids sake. this would be a great place to put the chest.

      amusement parks are set up this way too. things for adults and things for kids. of course Yellowstone is not an amusement park. but there should be a Yellowstone amusement park and zoo built to reduce the number of human visitors to the real park to a minimum.

      i think.

  28. It’s just after midnight so I’ll have to say that yesterday was a great day! After 4 years of off and on study, I’ve had an avalanche of clue verification. So excited for this close “wrap up ” of clues.
    Since this post is about where are we searching, I’ll say New Mexico. 2 good solves here and one in Montana.
    I’ve connected why the pic of the “Hat tree pic” of FF’s friend in Albuquerque is important to this solve. It is a clue to how to interpret HOB. Also clues from what HOB is. The pic of the boys playing marbles correspond to the “spot”. And the simple “X” marks the spot is clearly shown at this site. It’s actually fun again after sitting on the side lines for the past few months. I’ve felt like I’ve gone in giant concentric circles until so many clues have fallen into place. I might say again but yesterday and today are in sharp focus. Thanks FF. Perhaps a Major’s daughter will find this. I’m hoping so.

  29. Wyoming.

    I have become fascinated with the concept of confirmation bias since I began this journey. Cautious not to fall victim, I have tested a number of my solves, and ended up discrediting them. I now have a solve that I tell my family is “the” location. I cannot discredit the solve, and so I will have to venture to the location later this year. I will move with confidence. I am not worried that once at the location I will have to muddle about — the chest will be there or it won’t.

  30. Southern Wyoming. (IMHO) I’d love to give more details of course, but I will be heading out within the next month or so, so I can’t say exactly where. However, I honestly believe that the poem – which has been dissected every which way but loose by tons of searchers – cannot be properly used unless you have a solid starting point/general area (E.g., state, county, mountain range, canyon, river, etc.). That being said, let’s all remember that Mr. Fenn put 15+ years into writing this poem and planning the hidey spot where Precious now currently resides; meaning that the Home of Brown (for example) doesn’t necessarily correlate with a historical person and/or a monument of any historical person as those answers can be easily searched via the internet. Let’s all keep in mind a specific phrase from TTOTC, “What if a butterfly was really a flutterby?”. Perhaps all that we have read and all that we seek is “backwards”? IMHO, of course. Best of luck to all in the 2018 search season!

      • Hi Franklin,

        Sure, I can share my opinion on “heavy loads”. I think it could either be large, downed trees (perhaps from an old logging camp) and/or large boulders sitting near a river bank. IMO.

        • Good ideas. “water high” follows immediately after “heavy loads.” This might insinuate these two features will be quite near one another. Or is that why you suggested the river bank — to be “water high” ?

          • NovaKid,

            I actually think both notions are highly possible. I personally believe that “water high” and “heavy loads” are relatively near to each other. In fact, I’ll also venture to say that Home of Brown won’t be that far away from these two areas as well. Well, my idea of what the “Home of Brown” is anyway, which possibly isn’t what others might have considered yet. Or maybe they have? :p


        • IMO- “They” used to mine galena along the “water high”. There is an ancient trail (haul road) leading out of there littered with galena ore. If you find that spot be very careful. More than one person has died crawling over those rocks. Watch out for the catti and snakes.

          All IMO


          • Sherif Billy,

            I fully agree with you on that ancient trail. And yes, rattlers, cacti and jagged rocks, oh my! 🙂 Headstrong I may be, but careful I also am ~ Yoda


          • Sherif, it would appear that galena might be an old and reliable source of lead for the “heavy loads”. I did not know what galena was/is. Learned something new. Thanks

      • Ken,

        Actually, no, I did not mean to rename it. I guess I was thinking of Lord of the Rings rather than the Thrill of the Chase when I wrote that statement. LOL. And good luck to you on your next travels, as well.


    • Marcelo de Brasil,

      I see you are still pushing a Santa Fe city limits solution. I was the one who inspired ff to clarify his “North of Santa Fe” hint to be the “Northern city limits of Santa Fe.” Forrest was gracious enough to quickly answer an email before I got into real trouble with the law by saying, “Sorry, the treasure is in the mountains North of Santa Fe,” to which I replied wryly, “So am I.” It was a realistic enough solution that got me off the couch and onto an expensive, last minute flight, but it was a costly mistake.

      It had it ALL! Actually, 8.25 miles North (of the -Southern- city limits of Santa Fe). From an old hot spring that quit flowing, to a street called “Canyon,” down to the Home of Brown (oldest home in the West first photographed by the famous western photographer Mr.? Brown) and left, left, left to “no place for the meek” (behind, San Miguel Chapel), to an old paddle directional sign that was removed, leading to the heavy loads (huge concrete blocks) around a fountain (waters high) in the courtyard and a blaze (sign) that – someone (I thought ff) – made way too big for the poured concrete curb! “Look quickly down!” This HAD to be the blaze and ff (the metal worker) must have donated the sign so that he could secret his trove directly below the 10″ x 6″ overhang! All in the courtyard of the NM Division of Tourism…where they did a FF Chase video standing right next to the “waters high” fountain.

      Hidden in plain sight! Too perfect!!! Right where he could drive by to keep an eye on it. However, the dude that poured the extra little block of concrete, so that he could place the 4th bolt hole into a useless appendage of concrete secreted no chest below. The fact is, after that complete solution, (3) heavy bolts on that sign (blaze) were correctly anchored into a concrete curb and (1) more, heavy bolt, was anchored into a little concrete -brick- that served no purpose other than to conceal the mistake of the contractor, or perhaps to conceal the ff trove (of that exact size) underneath.

      It was then, that I realized this poem really can fit thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands (did I mention – several – thousands?) of paths PERFECTLY and scenario’s EXACTLY yet, unless you know there the correct WWWH is really located, you are wasting your time, money and energy.

  31. MARCELO,,

  32. ps MARCELO,,

  33. Subscribe.

    Since I haven’t rcvd any post notifications, I thought I would try correcting it with “subscribing” again.

    Thanks Dal.

  34. 2/4/2017 MW Six Questuons:
    No, fresh eyes and new thinking might provoke a winning idea. I would advise new searchers to look for the clues in my poem and try to marry them to a place on a map. It seems like the longer one thinks about the search the more they complicate the problem.f

    ff is saying: **It seems like the longer one “thinks about the search” the more they complicate the problem (Poem)

    IMO..FF is saying to get out of your head in the pysical search and back into the poem. If you are trying to follow where you think I have gone to my spot in you mind while reading the poem and not shifting away from the physical search, one will only be lost in the mountains like it has been for the last 7 years. Think! how many times FF has told us to go back to the poem and to follow the poem and where that takes you. When I read the posts, many searchers are not in the poem but out in the woods in there minds or on a map guessing and trying to figure out distances, what is Brown, meek, heavy lodes, water high, and even the Blaze (I have done the same). I am convinced that if one would get out of the woods and away from the maps and get a comprehensive understanding of what the poem is telling us without the thought of the physical search it can be done. I am suggesting to first get a comprehensive understanding of what the poem it is telling us whatever that might be! Then marry that to a map. For me it feels like its on the tip of my tongue. I am starting to understand the architecture to the poem. Then I think about the search and I lose it because that is what my mind likes to do, go in circles…lol. ff thought of everything even the fact that people’s opinions just like mine will hinder a person to think and move with confidence. I am posting this in hope that it might shift some thinking and to document my understanding to a resolve.

    Good Luck!


    • One more thing. I am not very book smart and I don’t write well the best thing that happened to me is when my father told me I would never make it. I retired at 37. That doesn’t mean I made it. I am probably in Forest fenns 7 percent club. That motivates me much.

  35. Murmur,

    That is what I’ve been trying to relay, all the ATF comments by F are things that might be helpful, but human mind sometimes over complicate things even in riddles or in this case of the hunt and questions that ask for logical answers.

    I agree, stick to the poem and marry it to a map, hopefully in the beginning hopefully one has the correct wwh.

  36. I think the Chest is in Wyoming, I’ve searched all over the state, Pretty sure I stepped on the location a few times, Now that spring is here its time to bring it home with me or just leave it there for others to find, Maybe take it and share with as many as possible and give Forrest his bracelet back. THANK YOU so much Forrest.

  37. Here’s something I’ve done more than a few times for each solve. I would try to put myself in the shoes of Forest Fenn carrying a TC with, for the sake of argument, let’s say two million dollars worth of contents. Knowing the history, lifestyle, dedication and hard work of Forest Fenn, try to write the poem as if you were he. Imagination comes to mind immediately.
    So, as I read his poem, for me it tells a story. Yes, the clues are there, but the entire Poem, in my opinion, is important. I understand, that emphasis is on the nine clues, but let’s try to imagine that the remainder of the poem compliments the clues.

    So, here goes without the rhyming, jazzy, whimsical spirit of Mr. Fenn.

    First Stanza:
    I went by myself into the area where I hid the treasure
    Man, was I ever nervous, but remained courageous,
    However, I knew the hide would be strictly confidential
    and I could give clues both of the past and present.

    Second Stanza:
    Start the search where the waters are neither flowing or cold
    then take your search into the valley low
    This is not a great distance, but don’t hike there
    Next find the home of Brown and put in there.

    Third Stanza:
    From this point is no place for the faint of heart
    You’ll be glad to know you are getter ever closer
    The stream is not one for your kayak
    the weight will be difficult to carry, the rivulet steep and elevated

    Fourth Stanza:
    One who is clever will have located the flash
    Simply looked down and spied the stash
    Don’t just stand there mesmerized (and laughing)
    Grab the booty and get the heck out of there man!

    Fifth Stanza:
    I know you are thinking, why I left
    And wanted you to find my riches
    For me, I have figured out life’s special meaning on my own
    By living the dream to fullest extent imaginable, and now exhausted

    Sixth Stanza:
    I can’t say this loud enough and with upmost importance
    Your determination will overcome feelings of callousness
    For when you are courageous, while in the Forest
    You will be given the golden certificate of the winner of life!

    It would be interesting to hear other versions, but feel free to pick mine apart/add to/change stanza’s, ect, ect.


      • Thanks Chance, Idk, I just keep brainstorming.
        I have placed no limits or rules on my reasoning or logic…..I feel that any and everything is out there and up for grabs. If that makes any sense at all. It has certainly been a wild journey and a darn good experience for me.
        I would love to hear your version!
        Thanks again for checking in

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