Fishin’ Part 1……

SUBMITTED MAY 2018
by SPARROW

 

It’s been almost two years now and I still have no idea where Forrest Fenn hid his Treasure. I have decided that I will search no more, but I did want to share a few things that have intrigued me during my search, before I let go and return to reality (lol).  Often, when fishing, someone may ask you “Have you caught anything?” One answer that can be given to help assuage the feeling of being “skunked” is to say “No, but I have had a few nibbles” (or “bites”). 

So what I am sharing in the rest of this article are just “nibbles”, because the truth is I haven’t caught anything. I am not a very good writer, so I would ask that you bear with me as I share these little trinkets with you. I often visit the Blogs, so very early on in my search I began to see things in the writings of Forrest Fenn, especially in the “questions and answers” pieces that he has shared with us. Here are a few of the things I have seen that just might be “hints” from Forrest in regards to HOW we should be investigating his poem.  Hopefully one of these little discoveries might help another searcher along the way, and possibly lead them to the correct solution to this amazing treasure hunt.

Jesse, I am a fan of Georgia O’Keefe. But not her work, and my opinion was no mystery to her. She said I was a LOW BROW. I countered with a comment something like, “who says you have to be a SNOB to enjoy art?”—from “Featured Question with Forrest Fenn, Georgia O’Keefe,”(September 1, 2015), Mysterious Writings Blog.

When I first began the search at the end of July, 2016 I began to regularly visit the blogs. I began digging into some of the older articles on the Mysterious Writings blog (hosted by Jenny Kile), and the writings and Scrapbooks on blog hosted by Dal Neitzel.  When I read the above question/answer between a writer named Jesse and Forrest I immediately remembered something I had seen in the poem itself. Why was Forrest using the words “snob” and “lowbrow” in the discussion? Somehow I didn’t think the words themselves were hints, but possibly how they were arranged in the poem was a hint of importance.

When I recalled that the words were in the poem (see above) I wondered whether Forrest was hinting that part of the puzzle might be solved using acrostics, and not necessarily orthodox ones either. The word SNOB would be considered orthodox, as it is exactly (5) letters in from the right on all lines. But the word LOWBROW combined two types of acrostics: a diagonal one counting in 2-3-4-5 from the right, and then meeting with another acrostic, BROW, which is part of a word flowing from left to right. This acrostic was in an “L” shape which greatly intrigued me, as Forrest had mentioned “ells” in some of his stories. Was the “L” shape significant in some way? This put me on a path of looking for acrostics in the poem which I do believe is ONE aspect used to hide hints and clues in the poem. It did lead to seeing some interesting things. Unfortunately I can only consider these “nibbles” as the elusive fish (solution) remained aloof.

As I continued my search I found in the same sentences shown above another “L” shaped acrostic that also intrigued me due to what it ultimately spells. It involves aligning the 17th letter from the left on three lines meeting with three letters in a line flowing from left to right:

                                17th letter from left

Andtakeitinthecanyondown

    Notfarbuttoofartowalk

 Putinbelowthehomeofbrown

What makes this intriguing is that the N-O-E letters are all exactly on the 17th letter from the left and then down. When combined with the C-A, from the sentence flowing left to right we have an “L” shaped “CANOE”. And it is interesting that the word “canoe” appears right where the poem says “take it in the canyon down”. Could “canoe” be something we take in the canyon down? What do you think? Is it purely coincidental, or is it a hint? It certainly left me wondering.

In another “Featured Question with Forrest”, called ‘Early Morning Ideas” (October23, 2014), someone named “Thrill” asks a question of Forrest to which he replies: “Especially burned into my memory Thrill, was the idea to arrange a cultural exchange program with the Russian Government. A few art scholars jazzed me pretty good and I was the butt of some funny jokes, because it was 1975 and the Cold War was in full blast.

Again, when I read this I immediately thought of the poem and something I had seen in it. Because not only had I looked for acrostics, I had experimented in other ways also, such as typing the poems sentences with no spaces between the words. One sentence in particular caused me to laugh, as crude as the humor was, because the words “butt” and “fart” were in the same sentence.

“NOTFARBUTTOFARTOWALK”

Again, as crude as this is it does appear to match the story’s words of “butt” and “full blast”. As I laughed under my breath I remembered another possible explanation which used another “L” shaped acrostic, this time appearing on exactly the 12th letter from the left combined with a word in a sentence flowing from left to right.  This time also the word read upwards and to the right.

                            12th letter from left

NOTFARBUTTOOFARTOWALK

PUTINBELOWTHEHOMEOFBROWN

 FROMTHEREITSNOPLACEFORTHEMEEK

The S-H-O is exactly 12 letters from the left—again very intriguing.  But why “Shofar” you ask? Well, first, if you read the answer from Forrest above he says that the art scholars “jazzed” him. When I think of jazz I think of horns.  Incidentally, in the first stanza of the poem are two different acrostics which both spell HORN.  And here, with the word “shofar” is another HORN.

If you google the word Shofar you will see it defined as having a “blasting” sound. They use the word frequently when describing the shofar with long “blasts” or short “blasts”. In Forrest’s answer he states that the Cold War was in FULL BLAST, which is an interesting choice of words. Another interesting thing about the sentence itself is the fact that Forrest said that he was the “butt” of Art Scholars jokes.

NORFARBUTTOOF ARTOWALK      The sentence seems to confirm this.

Now, I realize some of you may be calling me “nuts” by now or deluded, and actually that’s fine with me. I realize that stating that “full blast” may refer to a shofar or a fart is a bit silly, but the placing of the words in the poem seems to be a bit more than coincidence in my opinion.  What do you think?  The shape of the acrostic as an “L” for both CANOE and SHOFAR on the exact letters that they fall on is quite interesting to say the least.  But then again, above in the sentences we can see the words FORT BROWN quite clearly too. I thought this might be a hint, but Forrest has since stated that HOB is not a man-made structure. Fort Washakie in Wyoming was called Fort Brown first. So it is obvious that coincidences can happen.

One other interesting acrostic found in the poem is the word GAIT (“Gone Alone In There”). This word has been hinted at many times by Forrest. Even in SB146, when he mentions the duck named ‘Tail End Charlie”, he states that it was born with a strange “gait”. Near the very end of the poem there is another acrostic, BAIT (Brave And In The wood). I had noticed these two acrostics right away as I read the poem, along with WAFT (Wise And Found The blaze) and the two examples of HORN in the first stanza also. However, I did also realize that these acrostics, being only (4) letters long per word, could easily have happened by chance also. But the more I read the more I felt that at least GAIT was a real hint.

One thing that confirmed this a bit for me was another exchange in a question/answer between Forrest and Carolyn. This is found in another “Featured Question with Forrest” titled “Inside Indulgence” dated 12-14-14.  Carolyn asks: “Are there any bronze animals in the chest, indulgence, or anything bronze?” To which Forrest answers: “Nothing bronze at all Carolyn, or even silver. I wanted more expensive metals in Indulgence. That’s why I chose gold. There is a gold frog that’s very old”.

I found the question and the answer both to be very odd. Forrest is asks whether there are any bronze animals in the chest?  Why bronze animals? Why? It just appeared to be a strange question.  And then Forrest answers with a couple of strange replies also.  He states there is nothing bronze in the chest, or silver also. But we all know that Forrest wants the SILVER BRACELET back if anyone finds the chest. So why does he say there is nothing silver in it?  Then he ends his answer with: “There is a gold frog that’s very old”. What I noticed is that the question and answer both begin and end with same acrostics that are in the poem—except they are reversed:

Are there any Bronze Animals In The chest  (BAIT)

There Is A Gold frog…” (TIAG = GAIT)

Again, this may be entirely coincidental. But the number of hints I have seen mentioned regarding the word “gait” leads me to believe otherwise. Because the poem begins and ends with these acrostics, is Forrest purposefully beginning and ending the question/answer with these two acrostics to hint to us that they are important?  I really have no idea. I am just fishing, and getting “nibbles”. I haven’t really caught any fish. By that I am basically saying that I see these things, but don’t really know how to apply them in order to get the big fish.

I might add though: In a recent post on Dal’s blog a gentleman mentioned a game he put together for his wife. He hid envelopes around the house for her to find. He actually went into quite some detail—and even added a bit more after Forrest responded to him

However, Forrest gave only this short reply: “That Is A Good story.f’  (TIAG = GAIT). He added nothing more.

Of course there are many coincidental things that we can find in the poem. Here are a couple of examples. In the past someone shared how they believed the sub-conscious mind might have something to do with the poem. They mentioned ID and EGO. Naturally I had to check it out, and here is what I found almost immediately (lol):

As I havegone alone in there

AnD with my treasures bold

And another person mentioned an esoteric meaning being part of the solution. They mentioned TAROT cards—especially the WANDS cards.  Surprisingly, if you arrange the poem in an up and down manner the following appears  and there are many other coincidental things that appear just like this. Or are they coincidental?

HBHDHDW

TSWNSNO

NETAROT

 IREWEYR

It’s kind of strange how WAND appears all on 4 letters in from the left. Just coincidence I guess.

END OF PART 1.

-Sparrow

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175 thoughts on “Fishin’ Part 1……

      • I’ve read that before elsewhere. Don’t forget the KLAW before the foot. And Otra, which is Spanish for other.

    • well your a deep thinker but id say carrying a canoe back after secreting the treasure in one after noon to hard in my mind we are to travel up a creek i think where no paddle will be involved not to discredit your thoughts good share ty

      • Good point. But I was kind of thinking that we use the “canoe” found in the poem to travel within the poem–not an actual physical canoe at the site. Does that make sense?

        • It does. I like your canoe. And lowbrow, snob, fort brown, and shofar, too. They all work with my solution. I had none of them, but they all augment my current solve by adding even more general area points of color. So, thanks for posting! I appreciate your insights.

          Regards.

  1. Sparrow;

    Interesting “stuff” – your mind and mine seem to operate on different planes – and that is good. Sorry you are leaving the chase. I wish you every success in whatever it is that you choose to go after next – JDA

    • JDA—-
      Thanks!! You’re right, we think differently for sure. But you are looking in the correct state IMO. All the best!!

      • Thanks Sparrow – Again good luck to Ya’ in what ever you chase after next – JDA

        P.S. Love your pink boa and Bunny slippers 🙂

  2. Nice, Sparrow! I noticed “beLOW the home of BROWn when that QA came out as well. I was hot on the trail of Georgia Okeeffee at the time so was super excited but alas, it was a dead end. But I became something of an expert on GO lol and even climbed Pedernal. Good times, this searching life.

  3. Sparrow: and you wonder why you haven’t found the treasure yet? I say this half-jokingly, because nobody has found the treasure yet, but at the same time, Forrest has repeatedly said that people are simultaneously overthinking and underthinking the clues. Overthinking because of trying to apply techniques like numerology, crpytanalysis, etc. — and underthinking, because the clues will be straightforward to anyone who thinks about them deeply enough. (I don’t have exact quotes on either of these points, but they are easy to find — maybe someone else can source the quotes here.)

    • OTC—-
      Thanks. You very well could be right. But I also wonder if most people are listening to what the poem says and trying to create a map from what they hear, rather than seeing a map that is already there in what they are reading. Not sure if that makes sense.

      “But hear me all and listen good”. Often we hear quite a lot before we actually stop to listen to what we’re hearing. Again not sure if that makes sense. But thanks for the input.

  4. Nice sparrow, I like it. I also have “gait” as a hint. I’m sure I have the right alpha/numerics, when I apply them to the first line, using the first letters of the words I get: A=7, I=3, h=2, gait. In simplest form, it reads 3gait.
    I always just thought of it as coincidental, but the 3rd clue may be :
    no place for the meek. The 3rd clue could be a “gate”. A “no trespassing gate”. It’s why LIL indi cannot go any further. It can’t be seen from Google, the locals and others don’t really pay attention to it, And hey, with BotG, my path, around the third clue time, I came upon a “no trespassing gate”. It may be a coincidence, probably is, but interesting that two people can come up with something using two entirely different methods, and may be an actual hint.
    For one, I don’t think you’re crazy at all, maybe normal or average, but not crazy. I’ve also looked into reading into the poem this way. Some things seem to work out, but in the end I never could get a satisfactory spot. But a lot of what I would call coincidences. Kind of hard to overlook, they seem so blatant. Like by design almost.
    It does teeter on picking and choosing, but I don’t believe it crosses the line. Doesn’t mess with the poem, and is an attempt to solve the poem and not just individual clues. So I like it. And yes, from what I remember, wand was also something I was looking into. It’s almost like he is writing or telling us of another poem. A mirrored poem.
    Who knows, but I like the write up, interested in what else you may have come up with. Good job Sparrow. If your searching days are over, the blog will miss you and your contributions.

  5. Sparrow…Your humor has been appreciated…Thanks and have a great one. Maybe just take a break and come back later?

  6. Wow, Sparrow, your nibbles are very interesting. I’m beginning to think the answers in the poem are something like what you just described. Forrest liked crosswords and is one of the best wordsmiths in the writing business. He probably attained part of his wordsmithing abilities because of crosswords. I’m looking forward to part two. I leave in twelve days… can you please get your part deux posted by then. LOL! I still haven’t solved the poem and am just as confused now as I was 5 years ago. Thanks for sharing. cynthia

  7. Sparrow,

    I am sorry to hear you are leaving the Chase. I think you have some excellent thoughts, which have certainly given me pause to think, and may have helped me a great deal with my solve. I hope you continue to check in on the blogs, someone you have helped with your information may decide to help you in turn if their gait leads them to the treasure. (And your humor will be missed if you go 🙂 )

  8. Wow very cool Sparrow! Thanks for sharing. Now I will keep my eyes open for Gait and Bait… and low and brow…
    Must be a reason he keeps slipping these into things.

    So now we just have to figure out why? Good Luck on your new adventures! 🙂

  9. You are getting up and leaving just when your machine was about to give you the jackpot. Gait must mean Gate. Many of the Dudes thought that it would be at the Yellowstone boundary on the Madison. That is a gate.
    You have studied the poem over and over again. You can go with confidence. Where ever you are going.

    • Sparrow and Michael Hendrickson – T.S. Eliot from Little Gidding: the gate?.

      With the drawing of this Love and the voice of this Calling

      We shall not cease from exploration
      And the end of all our exploring
      Will be to arrive where we started
      And know the place for the first time.
      T. S. Eliot- 1955Through the unknown, unremembered gate
      When the last of earth left to discover
      Is that which was the beginning;
      At the source of the longest river
      The voice of the hidden waterfall
      And the children in the apple-tree

    • Sparrow and Michael Hendrickson – Also, the Gait of a horse. Like the ones Forrest and Donnie borrowed from Parade Rest Ranch to find Lewis & Clark in the Gallatin National Forest. The ranch where you, Michael, worked.

      • Lisa, how do these things in your message immediately above this one
        (my posting, that is) relate to the hunt for FF’s hidden TC?

        • tighterfocus – Not near a human trail. My hidey spot out Cabin Creek is in close proximAty to a Spring Creek…which is “the source of the longest river”, or one of them, anyway. And “It” in my solve is the Madison River in Montana.

          “Don’t go chasing waterfalls
          Please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you’re used to.”

        • tighterfocus – And you can see the blazes of the clearings that form the markings corresponding to my hillside “face” blaze in the photo Donnie took of Forrest sitting on Lightning the Horse on Trail #205, the Red-Black-Green Trail, high above Cabin Creek. Check out Forrest’s “Finding Lewis and Clark” story on his Old Santa Fe Trading Co site to see that photo. I know he remembers that ‘gate’ to the Gallatin National Forest and the ‘gait’ of Lightning the Horse on that trek.

          And I am trying to find a Coonskin Cap like Forrest’s Mother made for him for the hat contest.

  10. My head hurts a little after that.

    Anyone want to meet up in the Yellowstone/West Yellowstone area next Wednesday?

    • Yep Kpro, and I I have a lot or respect for you, they most certainly can (and most likely are according to Parsimony), mere coincidence.

      My friend I have an inbox full of that sort of thing. All the letters to the alphabet (yes except x) are in the poem. You can find ANYTHING you are looking for.

      Likewise there are only the following numbers 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 and you can combine them to make any number you are looking for.

      Are you looking for the treasure?
      I am not, I am listening for it.

      Lugnutz

      • Back at ya!

        I think you actually hit it right on the head. There are so many. Each and every one of them are not a coincidence, couldn’t be (only IMO) but knowing which ones are and are not is the trick. I have my guesses but who knows.

        I am looking, hearing, feeling, and even crawling along the way. lol. But I have a feeling you have worded that last sentence cleverly and it has more meaning 😉

        • Kpro—

          You’re right. In my article above I give a few instances of “coincidences” (near the end of the article). But I was not “looking” for CANOE or SHOFAR when I found them. The letters were on the same lines (example: 12 or 17).

          I do truly believe there are many coincidences in the poem —I’ve seen them myself. But it would also be extremely wrong to tack up ALL to coincidence. I really think you could miss something that is quite important by doing so.

          I really have to ask Lugnutz—-do you really think that SNOB AND LOWBROW are “coincidences”? They appear right next to one another in the poem—-and then Forrest uses both of those words in a short article (very close to one another)—do you chalk that up to “coincidence”? Just curious.

          • Yes…coincidence. If he did what you are saying, he would be giving clues away and he said he will not do that. Furthermore. Lowbrow and snob and canoe and all the other scrabble words don’t appear to help solve anything. I don’t think we are working with a Jumble puzzle here people.

          • toughshed—-

            He isn’t giving any “clues” away. Snob and Lowbrow are “hints”—whether the words themselves or how they are placed. And you’re right they don’t “solve” anything. Hints usually don’t—they are more like signs with arrows on them. Sometimes they can have a symbol for a U-turn on them. So I have to disagree with you on everything being “coincidence”.

          • Toughshed—
            I’ll ask you what I asked Lug. Go back up to my article. Look at the words SNOB and LOWBROW in the poem. They are right next to one another. I did not put them there. I wasn’t looking for them.
            I “recalled” seeing them after I read the question/answer with Forrest. He uses SNOB and LOWBROW very close together in the story.

            Do you REALLY think this is just “coincidence”? Check out the acrostics again. Those two words, in your opinion, are just “chance”? And it’s just “chance” that Forrest, the author of the poem, uses both words in a very short story he is using.

            In my opinion you’d have to be Goofy to believe they are just coincidence.

          • I am not sure where this response will end up, but I try to never discount anything. There is too much here to discount. Though I know bunny holes exist.

        • kpro—

          Thanks for that link. It’s interesting to see what people think of the articles that are posted, and to see some of the “techniques” people are using. Thanks again.

          • Sparrow- the hints are in the book that will help you with the clues. The hints aren’t in the poem. You are wasting your time IMO. You have to use logic to solve the clues and hints in the book will help you with that. You are forcing your solution to fit your ideas.

          • Toughshed— see my post above. I thought it would go below your latest but it didn’t.

  11. Thanks for the comments everyone. In part 2 I tackle anagrams:

    “But tarry scant with marvel gaze”

    But Marvin with scary gaze……. (could Forrest’s father have something to do with where the treasure is hidden? )

    Just kidding. No anagrams. But part 2 does have a couple of VERY interesting things in it though. Perhaps I am “overthinking” things— but it sure has been a blast, I mean, it sure has been fun.

    • I think his dad is represented in the poem. The title of the chapter Father on the Banco is a hint to me. I think many people are symbolically represented in the poem. So, I believe that the chest is on the bank of “your” creek to symbolize his dad. I used to think that the word wise was to represent his dad, and maybe both represent him.

      I also think that the way to unlock the poem is somewhat similar to how you are looking at the poem. Some people say that F said Not to mess with his poem, but that comment has been taken out of context. He said it when Dal was suggesting a word swap. I believe that every word and letter that F put in the poem is there for a very specific reason. Please don’t give up. (Oh, and are you a female? I always thought you were a male.). I love your humor, male or female. 🙂

      • JBL—-
        I am a male who runs like a girl. Just kidding– that’s pretty sexist isn’t it. But definitely I am a male.

        • Lol! I read someone’s poem up thread that sounded like you are a lovely lass or something like that. I sure didn’t hear that voice in my head when I read your posts. I’d love to hear more of your impersonations! I loved Queen Elizabeth and Watson. So, Thank ya, thank ya very much.

          • “Oh do get on with it will you!? I despise these terribly long articles. This one by this “Sparrow” is simply pathetic. I don’t have the time to bloody inspect the poem for “L” shaped acrostics and whatnot. I have much greater responsibilities than to waste my precious time on that. I mentioned this today to Priscilla, one of the “help” here, after I scolded her for putting 3 teaspoons of sugar in my tea. Heavens above, she knows I only take two. So we’ve booted her.

            But back to what I was saying. Please find this bloody chest will you? Stop lollygagging and get to it. One of you knows the location. Don’t keep us in suspense any longer. You Yanks take so bloody long to get things done”.

            —Queen Elizabeth

          • You know, when I am reading Queen Elizabeth’s post, I hear it as the Meryl Streep voice she used when portraying Julia Child, but picturing the Dan Akroyd inpersonation on SNL when “she” cuts her finger and blood goes everywhere. It’s hilarious! That’s my twisted imagination, and I’m totally sober.

          • I also think the queen will hold the solution in high regard if my solution is correct.

  12. Awesome Sparrow!
    I was wondering if you noticed that fort is in the poem twice both times signed by ff?
    E FFORT and home oF brown
    Fort he meek
    Also on acrostic (p.s learnt something new, thanks) I found L shapes in the poem and coincidently or not the L shapes act like bookends for several letters that spell out Yellowstone. Also there are several instances of MT showing in the poem. Red herrings…..who knows..

  13. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia-XMGzv2oQ

    I always knew someday,
    that our beautiful “Sparrow”
    would fly away,
    But a Lass, your adventure will forever stay
    in your heart of hearts on your merry way
    For when you fish upon a star, makes no difference who you are,
    Fairy Tales can come true, it could happen to you,
    Sometimes birds fly high over the rainbow:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bFr2SWP1I

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb4HZqCH-48

    You are woman with class my Lass, do not stop searching for it, life deals us 4 cards and a Joker, Happiness is the pot, and if you found it, happiness, you got the treasure beautiful Sparrow.

    Good luck. God Bless Ya!

    TT

    • Thanks for the poetry but as I explained to JBL I am not a female. OK, so I like to wear Bunny slippers and where a feathery pink boa, but lots of guys do that don’t they? Thanks for the links though.

  14. Every fisherman has had a day of ‘nibbles’ and come home with an empty stringer. You just try new bait and a new fishing spot. It does Not mean you quit fishing!

  15. Wow. Sparrow. Your not nuts at all. I actually might have the structural building of ff’s poem. My fin ds just might blend into your thou ghts.

  16. I don’t mean to be a killjoy but surely after spending 15 years on this poem rewriting it and move it around as FF said he did, wouldn’t he of made ‘Gate’ spell ‘Gate’ and NOT ‘Gait’ given that its hidden in the poem and there is a fair bit of working out to find it anyway?

    Dont give up Sparrow, JMO but can you imagine if the chest gets found and you realise how close you was once the finder comes forward? its obvious you have spent a lot of time on this solve and to give up before its found doesn’t seem right to me.

    Stay strong and keep going, JMO

    • Butch–
      I think Forrest intended for GAIT to be GAIT. As I mentioned, “Tail End Charlie” was born with a strange “gait”. I am not sure how they are tied together, but gait, walk, and halt (using the meaning meaning ‘lame’) are linked in some way. Thanks for the positive advice though!

  17. Sparrow,

    WOW that was some write up.

    Having put so much thinking, time and effort in to the chase I would hope that you would reconsider, however you will know best.

    All being well I will be making my one and only BOTG trip next month, I cannot wait.

    I will look out for sparrows along the way.

    Good luck to you in what ever you decide to do, I have a “Gut Feeling” that we might see you back on the chase.

    Take care

    Ronnie the Scot

    • Interesting KK. The poem says we “find” the Blaze, not necessarily “see” it. Perhaps we look down when we HEAR the Blaze? “So hear me now and listen good”. Very intriguing (I love that word) to say the least.

      • Regarding the blaze, here is a quote from FF early on. ”the blaze is a physical thing, its not theoretical. I mean, it doesn’t take a scientist just to figure out a blaze is something you can look at. ” I thought this was from the Lorene Mills interview but don’t think it is but from another interview from that time frame. Just saying…

        • In my opinion:

          Blaze can not be seen from ground level.

          And by 2015 it could not be seen in GE.

          And I also think you can know where she is without needing to see her, being wise in the right place.

          It can also be a human structure or an object composed of other objects.

          JMO

          • IMO the Blaze is glorious it is amazing it is gigantic it will blow our minds. Forrest said don’t stand there in marveled gaze.
            If you’ve been wise and found the Blaze. Tarry Scant with Marveled gaze. It will be in or face we will be stunned by it. Just my Opinion.

          • Why would you say it couldn’t be seen in 2014 but is visable now. Obviously clearer satellite images but what else gives you that inclination

          • McB;

            When asked if the blaze was a single object, Forrest answered, “In a word, Yes” – So I doubt that it is composed of other objects. Just Forrest’s opinion – JDA

          • TB,

            Only GE resolution.

            When FF hid the CT, it was not possible to see much of GE. And it was like this until 2014.

          • I think McB is correct about the Blaze, I think it is one single item , but is comprised of many other items that complete it. JMHO

          • And “if” Blaze is not something palpable?

            Exist, is there, can be identified, can be considered an object, but can not be even touched?

            According to my research and analysis (“I will not post sources” – whoever wants to know will have to research a lot), Blaze may not have been the original word that FF would use in the poem.

            Blaze may have surfaced in the FF’s mind after he hid the TC and shortly before publishing the poem.

            Just opinion based on “thinking” in the facts of the past.

          • i would further comment or note its not a man made object. its something out of place strange i hope it has four letters on it like, Fenn OR TWO like FFhope this weather breaks so i can go look again have fun all stay safe

        • Cynthia,
          just a few more ATF to add…
          ~”While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there.”
          ~Q)”Is the Blaze one single object? ~ Scout Around
          A)In a word – Yes.”
          ~”You can’t go out looking for the blaze and expect to find the treasure chest. There’s 10 billion blazes out there. So you have to start with the first clue and let it take you to the blaze.”

          In addition to the ATF you posted… it seems the blaze is physical in nature compared to a sound. As fenn stated, the clues “take you” to the blaze, and not so much listening for something that represents it.
          It would be difficult to remove a sound… such as the roar of a waterfall, a horn, the hoot of an owl etc.
          It also seems that the blaze can’t be to large as it could be removed [ feasible or otherwise ]… Personally, I doubt the blaze can be seen from GE. For a searcher to be able [ in some form ] remove it, I’m not sure if GE can zoom in close enough to show it.

          ~”Google Earth cannot help with the last clue.”

          Should the last clue be the blaze, then the last clue can not be seen from GE- which this Q&A seems to imply;
          Q)Mr. Fenn: How far is the chest located from the blaze? ~ casey
          A) Casey, I did not take the measurement, but logic tells me that if you don’t know where the blaze is it really doesn’t matter. If you can find the blaze though, the answer to your question will be obvious. Does that help?f

          One interesting part of a comment caught that my attention was; “…So you have to start with the first clue and let it take you to the blaze.”

          LOL … Does “it” mean;
          The first clue does it all [takes you to the blaze]?
          Or “it” being the poem’s clues [point to point]?
          Or is the entire poem [ clues ] all about WWWH?

          • ” So you have to start with the first clue and let it take you to the blaze.”
            W/O the first clue….well…. nothing happens.
            All this talk about the blaze is nice…but I think it’s gonna get pretty quiet as folks start drifting back in from the mad dash. Already happening as I write this….

        • Cynthia, I once asked Forrest, at the final Collect Works, Forrest is the Blaze a “living thing” but you were there and so were Toby, and if someone asked him on Mysterious Writings, he might answer.

          TT

      • Cynthia,

        I remember that quote…I just found it interesting when I sought to define shofar, that it led me to other words that connected by definition or etymology to blaze. That being said, anything that makes a sound, is likely to have a physical source, thus making it possible that the blaze is something that can be both seen as well as heard. Just a thought. 🙂

      • Sparrow,

        Funny the way we can fall in love with the meaning or sound of certain words. And there clearly are so many ways that words can be interpreted and perceived. It seems to be as you have done above, that the correct solve will depend on finding the right combination.

        • I totally agree – “There are nine clues in the poem, and the clues are in consecutive order. If you want to find the treasure chest – you have my book there – I’ll tell you how to do it. Read the book just normally … the poem and the rest of the book, and then go back and read the poem 6, 8, 10 times – study every line, EVERY WORD. Then after you do that, read the book again, slowly, with the idea of looking for clues or hints, that are in the book that will help you follow the clues. You can find the chest with just the clues, but there are hints in the book that will help you with the clues.” f JDA

  18. Sparrow.

    It’s obvious you have put a lot of work into such an analysis, especially when considering this is only Part 1. I’m curious when Part 2 will come out?

    Though you didn’t get the prize, it’s an “A” for effort in my book!

    Good luck to you wherever your trail leads.

    Pinatubocharlie

    • Pina–

      Thanks so much for that. I will be submitting part 2 soon, and I also have a short “solve” that I came up with about a month after starting the search. I’d like to share that also— I still think a lot of it really makes sense.

    • Toughshed—

      Is this dal’s wife? It isn’t going to work. Dal is hooked and is going to keep on searching. Nice try though.

  19. Luke (aka Sparrow),

    You need a brief hiatus. Let the farce be with you! See you when you get back to Alderaan!

    –Obi-Wan (aka Fennatical)

  20. That is awesome! I truly think that there is some acrostics at play. ff loves crosswords and if you want to embed hints in plain sight and have them hidden, this is a great way to do it.

    Thanks for sharing your hard work and insight. If your thoughts help lead someone to Indulgence, you deserve a bit.

    Hunting is fun, but have you tried fishing with tnt? 🙂

  21. Sparrow,
    Curious, why would you leave out commas, periods, semi colon when applying letters to blocks, per your example?
    In some cases poetry does not use any punctuation, but fenn chose to, right?

    • Seeker—-
      Almost all of the punctuation occurs at the end of sentences. I believe there are two commas contained within sentences. So I have not included the punctuation in the “counting” when I’ve done it.

      But that is a good observation Seeker. Perhaps if some want to do more investigation they can work be with the punctuation included. Hopefully someone can solve the darn thing lol. Thanks.

      • Sparrow –

        I will make a more pointed comment. When Fenn was asked about why the poem appears with two different spellings of the same word, he said:

        It makes no difference, one of them is only an innocent typo. You can pick which one. f

        The precise placement of the letters is irrelevant. Right?

        wait here it is:
        https://dalneitzel.com/2013/06/19/forrest-gets-mail-4/

        Lugnutz

        I will add a PS in case anyone is actually paying attention. Zap would say the only reason Fenn chose to publish the letter was the name of the questioner, Archie. (Isn’t that correct Zap?)

        • Lugnutz—–

          Have you ever really considered that sentence?

          “It makes no difference, one of them is only an innocent typo. You can pick which one. f”

          If you have to pick one of them it would be “answers”—-because how could “answer” be the typo? Does Forrest TELL us which one is the typo Lugnutz? Why not? He just says “YOU can pick which one:”., Is the whole word “answer:” a typo, or is the “s” on the end a typo? Think about it.

          • Ot to add—-why didn’t Forrest say “yes—we corrected the typo made on the original poem and added the “s”: that should be there.” No—he just tells us to pick one of them. lol

          • It doesn’t matter.
            He is clearly saying so.
            To think otherwise is folly

            I will leave you to it.

          • I was asked to be an editor for BenchMark Maps for the Fennboree III wall map. I noticed they (BenchMark) wrote the poem with the word “answer”, not “answers”. I emailed Forrest and mentioned it. He asked them (Benchmark Maps) to change it to “answers”. I imagine he just wants it to read “answers” and it is irrelevant as far as acrostics, crosswords, codes, ciphers, etc since he said they aren’t needed to solve the poem.

            Has anyone considered the “key” to be an “answer key” like teachers used in school when correcting a multiple guess test? Only the letters for the correct answer appear in a cut-out window, correct? All the answers… which he already knows… he says so in the poem… The answers I already know. What if the answer key spells out the general location of the treasure chest like Absaroka Beartooth Wildernes (missing the last “s” like wildernes on the envelope in SB107.

          • Interesting Ideal Cynthia. Wouldn’t that be considered some kind of code though? Just wonderin’ – JDA

          • Lugnutz—
            You’re a good guy. I know you don’t put much stock in acrostics and such. I respect your point of view. I do have a tendency to over think things.

            Cynthia—-
            Thanks for bringing that point up about the map. I appreciate it. Thanks for remembering so many of the things Forrest has said and done. I’m grateful for that.

          • Hi Cynthia –

            I am focussed myself on the area in Montana that is reached from HWY 212.

            Just keep in mind that you ocan find all the letters in the poem and use them to confirm anything that you pre-conceive .

            Lugnutz

          • Lug;

            But there is no “X”, so How can I perceive the spot that “X” marks? 🙂 JDA

          • Lugnutz, You mentioned you are searching areas in Montana near highway 212. It closes at Cooke City in the winter time, right? One of the big issues I have with the treasure being hidden inside YNP boundaries is because most of the roads are closed to car traffic in the winter months, except the road from Gardiner to Mammoth and Cooke City, which makes it a feasible search area, if you are inclined to search within the YNP boundaries. In the back of my mind I keep FF’s quote on Jenny’s site 12/11/2015 where he said ” If you know precisely where it is you can probably retrieve it in any weather.” Now, I understand he said in any WEATHER, not in any season, but I still think his quote implies it is accessible all year round as far as being able to drive to where you need to park. And maybe it is still a hundred yards back a forest road that has a gate across it in winter-time, but if I only have to walk 100 yards in snow to retrieve it, I would. I’ve snow-showed 2 miles one way and it about killed me… But, I’d do it again, too, but I’d take more food for energy to get back to my car next time. Anyway, I think you are in an area I may also look at. Good luck.

          • Cynthia –

            I am not and would not search in Yellowstone. I am referring to Montana north of there. I am agreeing with you without having to attempt to spell Abrasoska Something Wilderness. I am maybe looking further east than you, east of Paddle Lake.

            Lugnutz

  22. To clarify. I mean commas contained within sentences before the end of each line (24) in the poem. Of course the full sentences do contain punctuation, as there are actually (9) full sentences in the poem.

  23. Sparrow,

    Your part one has some very interesting things. You must be good at cross words. You did a good job at expressing your ideas for someone that isn’t a writer. Must be a good education that you had.

    I’m sorry that you are leaving the Chase, take a deep breath and try another approach, who knows you may be on the right track. Waiting for part 2.

    Good luck to you for whatever you do going forward. 🙂

    P.S. Try moccasins they are way better than pink slippers. lol

  24. Sparrow,

    Thanx for sharing. It is obvious you have thought long and hard about the poem. Good luck in whatever you put your hand to.

  25. Hey Sparrow!

    Thanks for sharing; I enjoyed the read and am also looking forward to reading part 2! It was definitely educational for me: I learned the word “acrostic” today!

    My main criticism of your fishing technique is that a lot of these secrets hidden in the poem are only unlocked if you happen to be one of those crazy people who reads every Fenn quote & interview question like you and me, which would make a true solve only possible for the truly obsessed. (Yeah, I guess I’m one of those annoying poem purists!)

    I hope you don’t leave the site for good and check in from time to time; it’s been good having you around. I’ve taken a good hiatus myself over the Winter months, but am starting to mosey on back to having another go at trying to figure out this crazy treasure-hunt-puzzle-thing. What else are we going to do? 😉

    Take care,
    Blex

    • Thanks Blex. I really don’t think you can solve the poem through reading question/answers or articles. I believe they hold helpful hints from Forrest as to HOW to make an investigation. They are simply gracious “helps” given by him to us. One can only SOLVE the poem by reading the poem itself IMO..
      And alas, I have not found the method to find the solution. Catching bluegill is easier than catching trout and I’m kind of lazy. lol.

  26. That really gave me new insight, thanks. No Place for the Meek = No PM. Go in the morning? The end is ever Drawing Nigh= Due North, also a “draw” is a geologic formation… Then there’s “your quest to cease” = West to East. The thing I’m hanging on to is that FF says the poem is a map, also that he’s a wordsmith.

  27. Try as I might I just can’t seem to let go of the Chase. After I posted “Fishin’ Part 1” I had second thoughts. I thought I could throw in the towel, but I’m finding it very hard to do so. Letting go of the Chase is like putting a pet to sleep at the vet. What I’m trying to say is that I think I’ll hold off on part 2 for a while and start over. A short break might do me some good. That will be hard to do I’m sure, but I really am a little burned out. Eventually I will post a part 2, but only when I’m sure I’m really done with this whole thing. Realizing I don’t really want to quit makes me regret what I have shared, though it really wasn’t that much. Secrets are hard to keep and I’m sure many have used the techniques I’m using anyway— there was nothing really new about them.

    This has really been fun and I really want to continue my search. Researching and studying are actually really good ways to spend your time, and grow while you’re doing it. You’re learning new things constantly, about history, geography, and many other things. After a year and a half at this I almost feel like a scholar–lol. Using Google, the dictionary, and other resources has really expanded my knowledge and understanding. So I’ve decided I want to continue to learn for a while, and who knows, maybe I’ll solve the darn thing. Better to have tried and failed than not to have tried at all don’t you think? You won’t be seeing a part 2 for a while I guess— just wanted to let you know. So for now you’re stuck with my bad puns and jokes as I continue the search, and continue to contribute to the blogs.

    • Yay! I’m glad you’re staying. I love your bad puns and jokes – well, the ones that don’t go over my head. 😉

      I thought I was done after my first search because I was so certain of the hiding place. But Forrest’s voice reading the poem kept creeping back into my head and I figured something else out (at least for my solve), and so I kept going. I don’t tend to tell people about the voices in my head (Forrest, Queen Elizabeth, Watson, etc,) because they would think I’m crazy, but I think it’s safe here in this chat room with these padded walls. It does get a little chilly in here though, but at least Dal provides these special jackets for us.

      So, welcome back to the Hotel California!

    • Sparrow,

      I am so glad to hear you are staying 🙂 And I totally agree about trying and failing, rather than not trying at all. The “try” is what it is about, IMO.

    • Sparrow,

      I’m glad to see you will still be with the Chase. The Chase is an obsession much like the box of chocolates, (from Forest Gump) you don’t know what you have until you try it. I always thought your a go get er.

      Best wishes in your hunt.

    • I don’t support drugs, even the over-the-counter ones…. But Jose Cuervo… Gran Centenario, etc, you get my drift, DG!

      Will you be in West for the Function-at-the-Junction?

  28. It’s interesting to see the different types of people involved in the hunt. You have the “Hey, that mountain over there looks like a good place to hide a treasure, grab a shovel and let’s go” to the people with extreme solves involving numerics, etc. I guess I fall closer to overthinking group–although I don’t use numbers………yet. lol

  29. Hi Sparrow –

    I don’t really think I have an interest in finding and owning the treasure. Over time my interests have shifted. There is so much that I want to see and experience in New Mexico and Wyoming that the treasure has become less important. I am interested in solving the poem, for sure, but the treasure not so much.

    Look at Tom Terrific’s solve. It sounds really interesting to ride the Cumbres and Toltec train, doesn’t it?

    Lugnutz

    • Lugnutz—

      I hear what you’re saying. So much of the (4) states where the Treasure could be is absolutely beautiful. I may have mentioned before, but one morning my brother and I got up early (we were camping next to the Gallatin river) and I saw the most beautiful and pristine rainbow I have ever seen in my life. A photograph could not have done it justice. Some of those “treasures” are worth more than riches—–but I do have to say I would really like to bite down on a gold frog just once.

  30. welcome back Sparrow! glad you decided to stick around. I would say you are counting and that usually involves numbers (to me anyway), just sayin!

    I too love the chase for all the weird (mostly useless) geography and history I have learned about. Just today I stumbled onto a place (looking at maps is fun), there are a lot of weird, instantly obvious connections to the poem (obvious means they are instantly discounted right?), unfortunately did not come from the ‘beginning’ place, so must be wrong, can’t reverse engineer it, except there is a direct link to a story in the book…at any rate, its an interesting spot that I may be able to make a quick side visit to…will throw it out here, I will be on the I-25 corridor heading to Sheridan WY 5/25-5/29, I would love to meet, discuss or otherwise search if anyone is interested, my email is in my armchair solve

  31. Sparrow, Glad to hear you came to your senses and didn’t quit, or give out part two, even though I was really looking forward to your ideas. Good luck…. sometimes a person just needs to take a break from all things Fenn.

    • Cynthia—-

      Thanks! I do need a break. Hey, wait a minute–have you ever taken a break Cynthia? lol It seems like you are always searching. I love your articles.

  32. Tbug—-

    Thanks for that. Just last night I was replying to E.C. Waters because he mentioned the circumpunct (symbol that is a circle with a dot in the center of it). During the search I began to wonder whether Egyptian symbols might play into the solve. I spent the next few days reading up on hieroglyphics and their meaning, and studying about the Pharoahs, especially Akhenaten who worshiped “ATEN”.

    If it had not been for the Chase I would never have looked up these things. I have googled some of the strangest things during my hunt—it’s amazing. I really have gained a lot of knowledge. I even learned a really cool joke to pull on kids during Christmas-time. You ask them:

    “What did you get for Christmas under there?”

    They will almost always ask “Under where?”

    And you say “Underwear? You mean you didn’t get any toys?”

    Yes, the things we can learn due to this search are endless.

  33. Ok, I give up. Lowbrow and snob are major hints. Never mind the thousands of other words you can makeup from the letters in the poem. You seem to be onto something. There is a lowbrow Canyon in Wyoming and a snob creek just south of there in Colorado. Good luck.

    • Toughshed—-

      I think maybe you’re not understanding what I am saying. SNOB and LOWBROW are in the poem as acrostics—whether intentional or by chance—they are definitely there–right next to one another in the poem.

      Whether intentional (which I believe) or by “chance” Forrest apparently placed them, spotted them (after the fact) in the poem. To draw attention to these two words IN THE POEM he writes a short question/answer, and in his reply uses the words SNOB and LOWBROW right next to one another.

      I believe he did this to “hint” to us that acrostics may be placed in the poem in just the same way. I stated in my article that I didn’t think the words SNOB and LOWBROW are the hints—-it is HOW THEY ARE PLACED in the poem that is the “hint”.

      So, looking for a SNOB creek or LOWBROW mountain wasn’t what I was inferring we should do at all. What I think Forrest is hinting at in the question/answers, SB’s, etc. is mainly the techniques used to find the clues–these hints aren’t clues themselves—they are just meant to point us in the right direction. This is my all my opinion I realize, but just wanted to clarify what I mean by a “hint”. I do appreciate your point of view though—-and you are entitled to it for sure.

      • Sparrow,

        The hints are in the book. The poem contains the clues. The hints will help you with the clues and the clues point you toward the treasure. For some reason you ignore this key advice from ff, to your own peril. Even if snob and lowbrow mean something, which they don’t, how does that point you toward the treasure? You are so lost in your own world of Jumble that I don’t see you ever coming back to reality. I will not try to help you further but I can say I am way ahead of you, if you know what I mean.

        • Toughshed—

          Thanks. Oh, I do believe there are hints in the books. I have a copy of OUAW and definitely think there are hints there. I just don’t think Forrest has limited himself to just the books for hints. If you want to ignore all the question/answers, SB’s and other articles, that’s your prerogative. I explained to you how snob and lowbrow point you towards the treasure—they show you one technique for looking for and identifying clues. Please note: I said “one technique” because I think ultimately there are many techniques used in the poem.

          Thanks though for your concern about my not returning to reality. Nurse Adams said the same thing when she checked my blood pressure and gave me my “meds” this morning. All the best to you—you probably are way ahead of me–I hope you find it.

        • Lugnutz—

          I’ll try one last time. Please scroll up to the first example in my article. Please note how close together the words SNOB and LOWBROW are. Now, read the question/answer from Forrest. Note how close together SNOB and LOWBROW are in his short answer. SNOB is not found in one part of the poem and LOWBROW in another.

          They actually run into one another in the poem. Why would Forrest use those two words so closely together in his answer? You really think this is just coincidence, and will not accept the possibility that it is purposeful?

          As I stated before you are entitled to whatever your opinion is on this. I am just a bit flabberghasted at the complete denial that this could be a “hint”. Oh well.

    • Possible meanings for these acrostics:

      Low Brow = short, thin rise of land, probably next to a creek

      Nob = the Jack of suit cut in Cribbage

      (K)nob . . . Homonym = Crest of small hill, probably the same brow referenced in Low Brow

      The S ahead of Nob could indicate that the Jack is S of the hilltop.

      My solve has the chest in the trees just below the crest of a small hill on the north side of a creek. Shape of this land feature qualifies as a low brow.

      Acrostics work for my next attempt. Your mileage may vary.

      Regards.

      • It’s just silly…butt fart, shofar, gait. Lowbrow, etc. You acrostic people come up with a word, found in the poem, call it a hint, seek out confirmation bias in ff’s words and stories, then try to explain what it means through extensive research while never linking it to solving the nine clues that will lead you to the treasure. Go back and solve the first clue. Then give all of us a detailed write-up on that. But bouncing around the poem using acrostics and trying to explain it all is just mind-numbing to the serious searcher.

        • Toughshed—

          I missed this post. It’s funny you say “you acrostic people” and call everything “silly”. What I find funny is that at the end of one of Forrest’s poems he says thanks to Edgar Allen Poe. Poe is famous for horror stories, but also poems, and poems containing acrostics.

          It’s fairly simple to accomplish an acrostic using the first letters of words— but it is very difficult to make acrostics in several locations in sentences— say one has acrostics on 2nd, 7th and 19th letters down in several sentences. You have to be a “wordsmith” to accomplish this—especially to do it in such a way that the sentences flow smoothly.
          You don’t believe they are in the poem— but they are— and Forrest has accomplished amazing things in the poem— mind-blowing in some cases. You’re right— I don’t know how the clues flow in sequence at this point—but I truly believe some of the “hints” Forrest has given have put me on a path to possibly solving the poem. I do not claim success, or “know” where Indulgence is hidden by any means. I don’t want to be a Snob about this or some kind of Lowbrow, but I think you will be very surprised toughshed— when it is found, and the person reveals how they came to their conclusions. I wish you all the best, and would be interested to hear from you what you think you have solved so far.

  34. Sparrow – I just knew you were going to come to this same non-conclusion I have on The Chase! Yea!!!

    Someone above or below mentioned ‘Jack’. You may enjoy this site about Cliches, especially the history of card suits, under the C tab:
    https://www.businessballs.com/amusement-stress-relief/cliches-and-expressions-of-origin-1809/

    Four cards and a Joker….you play whether you like it or not.

    And the cover page of Journal of a Trapper
    contains a quote by Browne, but it is spelled without the e on the end. I think that person had something to do with Acrostics.

  35. Sparrow, I love your analysis and attitude. I am looking forward to part 2. Best of luck to you and hope you are enjoying the Chase. Just because your paranoid doesn’t mean their not following you. LOL… 🙂

  36. Sparrow, I just found found Fishin’ Part 1. Thank you very much, this is awesome.
    Can’t wait for Part 2.
    Try this:
    wrap each line so they repeat,
    shift the 1st line back 7 spaces
    shift the 4th line back 6 spaces
    “The treasure is out there waiting for the person who can make all the lines cross in the right spot”
    Now you have GAIT spelled vertically and 19 characters to the right you should simultaneously have HORN spelled vertically, like it was architected?
    What stands out for me about this is the word that appears in the column 1 character to the left of GAIT. Is this a hint?
    “You need to start at the beginning”
    Thanks for sharing, there is much for me to learn.

    • When I was cycling through some of the permutations this one made me laugh:

      2nd row back 5
      3rd row forward 7
      4th row forward 1

      You get a vertical GAIT but not a vertical HORN, instead another word appears… “NOPE”. Where have we seen that before?

      • Argillite—

        I re-posted the link to this old article and saw your post (I didn’t realize anyone had added anything to the thread since May. I did want to point out to you that Hint Of Riches New….(HORN) DOES have a vertical counterpart.
        Got to the first stanza—-and go over exactly (20) rows. The word HORN appears vertically right there. Just wanted to point that out. Have fun!!!!

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