Search Prepared…


by Forrest


Summer is settling in and the Rocky Mountains are beginning to warm up some. The weeds are doing very well in my yard, and the humming bird feeders just outside my kitchen window are busy.

Santa Fe is full of treasure hunters and the Collective Works book store is selling about 35 copies of my books each day.

In the north, Montana, Wyoming, and northern Colorado, snow still covers the ground in many places, and the nights are very cold. Since most schools are out for 3 months, families are headed for the Rockies. Maybe it’s time again to review a few essentials when entering the mountains:

Take a buddy or two with you when you search.

Tell someone where you are going and when you expect to return.

Take plenty of warm clothes, water, food, a GPS, survival gear, and a cell phone. There is no substitute for planning, and please don’t go anywhere an 80-year-old man couldn’t go twice in one afternoon. Good luck, and please stay safe. f

191 thoughts on “Search Prepared…

  1. Just finished “Once Upon a While” this morning at about 345ish. Please write another. I’ve learned more from studying you and all the history you’ve brought to life for me than I ever learned in school. Searching now for a copy of either Ancient Artifacts..can you give me any clues to where I might find a print of those books ?? Love ya, Forrest, thank you.

    • Forrest, your the best.. we are having so much fun coming together and researching america, getting outside and rediscovering ourselves…god bless you and your family

  2. Also bring Bear Spray if you are searching in Bear Country as there was already an attack on May 17th in Montana and Bear Spray saved them.

    I have T-Mobile so I am also bringing a long range radio as a backup plus gloves for the treasure 😉

  3. Thanks for the post Forrest. Good reminders to all searchers – ID – Glaves are good! – JDA

    • My brain would add something smart from Forrests
      Mother she said take a extra pair of underwear she was smart like that he said. my mom had to spell that underwear for me. laugh but be safe out there love your loved ones take care of yourselves see you in NM soon safety first.

      • I might have found the extra pair of underwear in Deadwood Gulch this year…just sayin (see my failed Deadwood Gulch solve). 🙂

        • About that underwear, Dave from KC- I think there is WAY MORE TO the fact that FF mentioned his mother always told him to “wear clean underwear in case there was an acccident”. “She was the the perfect examle of nature’s long-sightedness and everyone around our block knew it” (p 21 TTOTC)

          I think mother natures “long sightedness” is what we need to be aware of in this poem. Its quite possible and I think probable that the underwear discussion is connected to the later comment from FF, “only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

          Definition of “tight” is (of a formation or a group of people or things) closely or densely packed together. (think Olives in a jar)

          So while “Mother Nature” has “long-sightedness” that built up the Rocky Mountains, the result of “Mother Nature’s” long-sightedness is actually “tight focus”. In other words, the creation of the Rocky Mountains has resulted in tight focus= “of a formation or a group of people or things) closely or densely packed together” (Merriam-Webster)

          The poem and a good map are supposedly all we need, but knowledge of geography might help, It is my opinion that everyone looking for clues that don’t involve geography, are wasting their time. Sorry; but that is my opinion.

          FF said, “Sooner or later each of us will be nothing but the leftovers of history or an asterisk in a book that was never written” (p 15 TTOTC)

          What exactly is an asterisk?
          “If someone asked you to associate the word asterisk with a heavenly body, you would probably have no problem relating it to a star – even if you didn’t know that the word asterisk derives from “asteriskos,” a Greek word meaning “little star.” “Asterisk” has been a part of the constellation of English since at least the late 1300s, but it is far from the only shining star in our language. The Greek forms astēr, “astro,” and “astrum” (all of which mean “star”) still cast their light in English by way of such words as “asteroid,” “astral,” and “disaster” (which originally meant “an unfavorable aspect of a planet or star”). Even “star” itself is a distant relative of “asterisk.”” (

          Merriam-Webster also says, “Definition of asterisk is transitive verb”. I think we are looking for evidence, not of a thing, but of a process (verb/ action) that is history itself.

          I would be willing to bet that most, if not all searchers who have read TTOTC, believe that the asterisk is important, as are the stars. There are numerous references to stars throughout TTOTC. Why? Stars fit the definition of the word “tight”= (of a formation or a group of people or things) closely or densely packed together.

          But, while I used to think we needed to look at the stars, I now believe that is not correct. I believe the stars are a hint telling us that a “formation” is important. In fact, while his wife was watching “Dancing with the Stars”, FF was doing something else. He was creating objects to be hidden, buried at least 3 feet down so that a metal detector couldn’t find them. These objects were to be found many years later.

          If you study the history of the Rocky Mountains, you will find that their history began (“you have to know where to begin” FF) a very long time ago. Over the ages (“Now it is for the ages” FF) the Rocky Mountains have become history piled on top of itself. I can’t find that quote from FF just now, about the remains of history becoming all piled up, but I’m sure one of our searchers who have memorized and catalogued all the quotes knows where it is.”

          “F. . . I’d take you back to that spot, if only so I could see the mountain, the woods, the falls from your eyes. To hear the stories of what makes a place so special, though I imagine it speaks for itself…“A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.”― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince (mysteriouswritings, Feb 2018)

          Upon the first dozen or so readings of TTOTC, I thought p 41 was not very relevant. I think I was wrong. F talks about listening to “”Your Hit Parade” on the radio. “The ten most-asked-for-songs of the week were played, starting at the bottom” As the crescendo built, everyone guessed which song would be number one”. (p 41 TTOTC)

          The very next paragraph on p 41 TTOTC, FF tells us that he would jump out of his window by the bed and go down to the cemetery which was just a block north of their home. There he would sit on a dead guy’s grave marker. He wasn’t afraid. We see a pic of him sitting there contemplating the stars (formation of things closely related).

          Why could FF often know the correct song that would be #1? I think it is because he paid attention. Why does he know where to find artifacts? Because he pays attention to Mother-Nature. He knows how the Rocky Mountains were formed. He understands the process that is taking place, in which history is piled up upon itself. He knows where to look.

          It is my opinion, that we have to know where to look by understanding the process that created the Rocky Mountains. Did you you know that that Rocky Mountains are the remains of history? Did you know that they are an example of Mother-Nature” and her long sightedness? The result of Mother-Nature’s long sightedness is a formation packed “tight” which is evidence of history. In many places that history has been pushed to the surface through natural processes of various kinds.

          FF has suggested that he has felt like an architect crafting the poem. I think that is because an architect has to start from the ground up; like the countdown of most popular songs of the week on “Hit Parade”. An architect doesn’t start with the roof. He starts with the foundation. I think we have to start there also or we cannot see what FF is saying.

          I don’t think anyone will ever find the treasure until they understand the processes that created the Rocky Mountains and that means they have to know where to “begin”. Not where to begin on the map, but where to begin to understand. Once we understand the processes that created the Rocky Mountains (“geography might help” FF) then we can begin to understand the poem.

          I think we must understand the way that the Rocky Mountains are the remains of history in order to know WWWH, HOB, and the other clues.


          • Interesting, well, if that will help you get to BIWWWH, then that would be great! Good luck, and I hope someone figures it out and finds it soon! I do think someone already has figured it out and has let FF know….and it certainly is not me. I really hope we get all of the true answers this summer. IMO knowledge of geography can also include all sorts of other things including topos/elevations, how cavities and crevices are found in certain types of places in the rockies, and the ability to recognize good natural ‘gatekeepers’ for the treasure that might prevent someone a mere 200 feet away not knowing that they are…but I do not try to overcook and try to keep it simple per someone’s good advice. As for the underwear, well, I think that is a crappy hint/clue. Just kidding. All the best and please go find it!

          • Also, Flutterby, if you are referring to the Continental Divide as the BIWWWH, I think your logic is very solid and that is a very plausible solve. I know lots of people are looking at that and I could see someone in that camp being a winner. Best of luck to you…hope you are able to put your solution to the test. Its getting exciting this year…someone is closing in…I wish it was me but its not. Thanks, Dave

          • FF has suggested that he has felt like an architect crafting the poem. I think that is because an architect has to start from the ground up; like the countdown of most popular songs of the week on “Hit Parade”. An architect doesn’t start with the roof. He starts with the foundation. I think we have to start there also or we cannot see what FF is saying.

            So Flutterby, do you suppose that Mr. Fenn “built” the poem “around” the chest? By that, do you think he envisioned the immediate surroundings, and the clues in the poem describe the area in the vicinity of Indulgence? This is becoming more my suspicion, but I am uncertain, as I have not figured out the poem. If so, one might leave their vehicle, then walk a ways to wwwh, and then once there reconstruct the poem using the materials in the area.

            While there may not be a structure associated with the hidey spot, there might be some structure in locating the chest.

            All in my opinion,

  4. Mr. Fenn, you’re sounding more “boy scout-ish” these days. 🙂

    Thanx for the sound advice.

    Until we meet,

    Some Where West Of Toledo

  5. Hello Mr. Fenn, : )

    I hope all is well with you.

    May you have many summers here with us.

    Thanks for your scrap.

    We are all on the starting line.

    Good luck to us all!

  6. Always keep a bug out bag in the car. A couple gallons of water and a snack. A shovel and some tools come in handy. I have a hydraulic jack, an air pump, and a battery to jump start peoples cars and plugin devices. Antifreeze and a quart of oil. Back in the day we used to have spare parts, belts and hose’s too.
    I’ll think about getting more things. You can’t be too prepared.

  7. I’m roaring and ready!!! Can’t wait to search in June!!!! It’s the last search for me it’s been 5 long years. Thank u for the advice Forrest, you have put together one heck of chase!!!!!! ❤️

  8. Dal- All wise advise, except for one thing.

    I think everyone could quite possibly be mis-interpretting FF’s quote about two trips to the car. I think this is the exact quote, “I made two trips from my car to the hiding place and it was done in one afternoon.” So naturally everyone assumes that he is saying that he made two trips to the car in one afternoon. I think he is saying two different things here. No doubt he is saying that he made two trips from the car. Then he is saying “it was done in one afternoon” What was done in one afternoon? The two trips? Or the task itself? It is entirely possible that the trips were made on separate days. All that we can know for certain is that it got finished in one afternoon. But, when did it start? That is a whole other question that has not been answered.

    I believe FF’s quotes often allow us to hear one thing when he is saying something quite different.

    All in my opinion of course

    • Absolutely. I believe you are correct. I also think that his car was not his only means of transporting the TC and goods to the resting place.

      “Kettle Corn”

    • Maybe I’m missing something—bu the short article is from Forrest, not Dal and he says at the very end of it:

      “There is no substitute for planning, and please don’t go anywhere an 80-year-old man couldn’t go twice in one afternoon. Good luck, and please stay safe. f”

      He seems to state that he went twice in ONE afternoon–or am I misunderstanding your point?

    • “…and please don’t go anywhere an 80-year-old man couldn’t go twice in one afternoon. Good luck, and please stay safe. f”

      There is no doubt in my mind ‘one’ means the same day.
      ‘Done’ is another question… done returning to his vehicle, or done with the second leg to the hide [ completing the task of hiding all the treasure and chest ]
      To play it on the safe side; leaving the vehicle early morning [dawn] and returning after two trips by noonish… Basically giving a five-six hour window with a few hours left to be back before dark, if one decided to do some fishing or exploring.

      On a side note; “…Since most schools are out for 3 months, families are headed for the Rockies.”
      This still gives me pause that the chest may only be found in a summer month. It was meant for families to get out of the house and into the mountains. Did fenn plan the poem only to be workable during the summer?

      Although Flutterby, You bring up a thought that; there might be a reason for an over night stay, just to get started. Even though the task can / should be done in less than a days time.

      • Seeker, to add:

        “It was 15 years from the time I got cancer until the time that I hid the treasure chest”.

        And we know he was done around age 79-80. Most likely the Summer of 2010, when he was 79.

        He was diagnosed with cancer in January of 1988, when 57, removed in December 1988, when 58. So the time he got cancer is January of 1988, add 15 years = 2003.

        First trip in 2003, finished up in Summer 2010. At least, that is what he is saying.

        An 80 year old man could go anywhere in the Rockies, make two trips in an afternoon. That’s not the question. We also have to consider the ATF, (paraphrasing), how he wouldn’t go down a canyon, back up, then down again, in the same day.

        And, the clues should be followed in order, there is no other way. No shortcuts.

        The only way to come out of all these comments is that he went on different days. There is just no other way to see it. Especially when we know that one trip was when he was 79-80, and another trip was 15 years after he was diagnosed with cancer.

        Is one way to the spot and one way back to the car considered one trip or two?
        We know he made two trips from his car, that could be the different days, the question is, is one trip considered one way, or is it one way there and back?

        If I take a trip, I go one way, then another trip back, so, two trips in one afternoon could very well be to the spot and back to the car. The problem is confusing the two comments. And confusing what could be defined as “a trip”.

        1 : to catch the foot against something so as to stumble

        2 : to make a mistake or false step (as in morality or accuracy)

        3 a : to dance, skip, or caper with light quick steps
        b : to walk with light quick steps

        4 : to stumble in articulation when speaking

        5 : to make a journey

        6 a : to actuate a mechanism

        b : to become operative

        7 a : to get high on a psychedelic drug (such as LSD) : turn on —often used with out
        b slang : freak 3b

        Lol, maybe he tripped twice. IDK. But #5, a journey:
        1 : something suggesting travel or passage from one place to another ·the journey from youth to maturity
        ·a journey through time

        2 : an act or instance of traveling from one place to another : trip ·a three-day journey
        ·going on a long journey

        3 chiefly dialectal : a day’s travel

        One place to another, well, pretty much says that a trip is from one place to another. Meaning two trips would be to the spot then back to the car. So, in all, he made 4 trips.

        • The canyon down and up comment, I don’t believe was stated in the ‘same day’… I would have to look at it again.

          The big problem with a 2003 trip and later in 2010 is two folds;
          1. Others saw the chest/contents up to 2007 8 9 ish.
          2. He has stated he took the contents first and then the chest.
          Should it be in 2003 [ as you may suspect ] Mrs. Fenn would have surly known she was missing a Tupperware bowl and lid.

          You said; ‘…when we know that one trip was when he was 79-80, and another trip was 15 years after he was diagnosed with cancer.’
          Um, News to me. All I can recall is basically what you stated to start with ~started the poem around the time of the onset of cancer… and it took about 15 years for him to work on it, basically because he recovered. Even using the 2 year grace period, that would move the time line to 2005… but again others have mentioned they were shown the chest and contents after that.

          • I always interpreted the 15 year to write it as – “Off and on” over a period of years – and he put in about 15 years worth of effort during those years – 20 or so.

            That is how I read it anyway.

            Really, I do not much care. I KNOW he hid it when he was around 79 or 80. He is 87 now going on 88 – That puts it about 8 years ago – That is close enough for me. – JDA

          • Seeker, you are right, but it’s hard to go against what he said. It was quoted by f, “It was 15 years from the time I got cancer until the time that I hid the treasure chest.”
            Nothing about the time it took him to finish the poem or that he worked on the poem on and off for 15 years. He said what is quoted above. That is why I posted what I did. It covers the two trips. Also, two trips can be completed in one afternoon if you go to the spot then back to your car. That is essentially two trips. He took two trips from his car to the spot, he was done in the one trip that was done in the afternoon. If his earlier trip was done in the morning, then the one that he finished up in is in the afternoon. So McB, reread what you wrote. Done in one what? trip or afternoon? You don’t know because f has never told us. So you cannot conclude that is what he is saying.
            It seems like everyone is forgetting that f does not like to use commas.
            McB, he is talking about trips. He took two trips, and was done in one. The second trip, and it was in the afternoon. Yes, Google works, it is a single sentence, but does have contradiction. To say it has no contradiction at all is false. You’re guessing on your interpretation of what f is really saying. He doesn’t explain, so you can’t jump to conclusions.

            Deve-se ver todas as formas de como se está comentando ou você estará adivinhando, em vez de seguir os fatos.


          • Kapeesh? Non.

            Capisci? Si.

            Non, non capisco. Non capisco i ricercatori.

            Come può qualcuno complicare una frase così diretta!

            Ma lascia che sia così, più complicano, più possibilità ho di trovare il tesoro!

            My father was Italian.

          • McB,

            Sì, lo fai, ma noi, come ricercatori, dobbiamo esaurire ogni strada. Se vedi le cose solo in un modo, vedrai cosa c’è sotto. Il poema e i suoi commenti hanno molteplici possibilità, meglio darti tutte le risposte possibili.

            Right or wrong, both sides of the coin, right? Or the Germans would have beat Indiana Jones to the spot…

            Look at a possibility, “the end is ever drawing nigh.”
            If the end is “ever”, then the infinity symbol could possibly work, ∞. Now if you look at it, or draw it, it looks like a 3d pic of a saddle. So, in saying the end is drawing nigh, could be that a searcher is outside of a saddle of the mountains. (two mountains on either side), and that they are headed into that space. it’s the end, so, the chest lies in the saddle of the mountains. So, the big picture, the chest is in the saddle of two mountains on either side, and we will have at least gone through 2,3, or maybe 4 clues before we get there. That could be a good hint, but if you only see, ahhhh, I’m getting closer to the end, then you deprive yourself of something that may be a little more helpful.
            You don’t have to understand the searcher, just the process. (right Aaron?):)
            Saddle of the mountains has been discussed before, this is just an example, nothing more nothing less.

      • Charlie,

        “I made two trips from my car to the hiding place and it was done in one afternoon.f”

        “Two” trips in “one” afternoon.

        Uma única frase sem qualquer contradição.

      • Seeker- My comment was not to suggest that an overnight stay was needed. You are right that the statement, ““…and please don’t go anywhere an 80-year-old man couldn’t go twice in one afternoon. . . f” clarifies the earlier statement that he did it in two trips from the car and it was done in one afternoon.

        The point I was making is that people are not solving this poem because (IMO) people believe they hear one thing when in fact there might be another meaning to what is being said. I believe this goes for the hints as well.

        The more recent comment from FF about a gut feeling that someone would find “it” this summer could mean something different than everyone is assuming. For one thing, he has said in the past that several people have been to the first two clues but went right past the others because they didn’t know what “it” was.

        So is FF really saying he thinks someone will find the treasure chest this sumer, or is he saying they will find “it”. I personally think he is saying they will find “it”. Every summer there are who knows how many folks walking around in the Rocky Mountains. Surely someone finds “it” every summer. But, will they know what “it” is? And, in my opinion, “it” is not the TC.

        So you misunderstood my comments. My point was, that people can think they hear one thing when something else is being said.

    • This is a safety statement. It’s probably not the best place to be encouraging things like that it’s possible that he hid it where it may take an 80 year old guy more than a single afternoon to trek it twice. Safety statements aren’t puzzles. I’ve suggested in previous safety threads that we, as a community, need to re-frame what the thrill of the chase is. It has a reputation for being an extreme sport, or something like that. It’s not. It’s an adventure, to be sure, but we need to get away from the idea that the level of risk is commensurate with the prize.

      • I agree 100%, Jeremy! F is telling people to be safe. People analyze F’s statement regarding 2 trips in 1 day ten ways from Sunday, because it doesn’t quite fit their solve.

        Please, don’t go somewhere where a small child couldn’t go with a little help!! Stay safe everyone!

        • JBL- Let me state again that I do not think that retrieving the TC requires an overnight ordeal of any kind. I don’t believe it does! My ONLY point is that all of FF’s statements can be interpreted in more than one way. If we actually truly understood what this poem and all of the hints were telling us, then someone would be holding the TC! So, this tells me that perhaps it is important to look at all of the possible meanings of each line of the poem, and the hints that have been given (if we choose to rely on hints since supposedly we only need the poem and a map). My ONLY POINT is that there are more ways than one to interpret a statement. That is it! That is all I was saying!

          That being said, I firmly believe that FF did not intend for anyone to do anything crazy outrageous to find the TC. Hiking is fun! I do it several times a week. I don’t think that finding the chest, if I really understood the poem, would be any more difficult than the lovely walk I had around a lake yesterday to observe an Osprey nest. Or the hike the day before to photograph some eagles. It took me less than 10 minutes to get to my destination. I do not expect or believe that FF’s poem, if understood will take us on a hike any more complicated than that. But, I do think its going to be hard to figure out exactly what he is saying in his poem.

          • 2 Million dollars! Up for grabs

            I disagree. Mr Fenn says It’s hard but not impossible. It’s not just easily placed so anyone can walk right up to it. Your efforts will be worth the cold. It is NOT effortless as a casual hike to bird watch.

      • I agree!

        Might I add that an 80 year old can drive a four wheel
        vehicle, as should you. Do spend a bunch of time driving to a spot you can’t access because you didn’t upgrade into a jeep. It’ll be the sorriest $10 fee you ever saved. Hills are exciting, get a good rig. And I can say that now….I’m one year in and officially seasoned!

      • Well said. I’m in Teton Village right now, and it is cold and wet. Lots of snow on the mountains–way more than usual this time of year, it seems to me. I believe there will be some flooding when the weather warms a bit more.

        Don’t take chances! Stay safe!

        • Thanks Lady V, is there snow on the ground in the village or just up on the mountains?

          • Oh, geez. I missed your comment until now.

            There is no snow in the village–as of a couple of days ago, the snow was just a little bit up the mountain from the village, though.

      • Jeremy P-
        Oh, my goodness folks! I NEVER said or even thought that it would take anyone more than one day to retrieve the TC. I didn’t even say that it took FF more than one day.

        My point was that often there COULD be more than one interpretation of a statement. Since we have a later statement from FF saying don’t go where an 80 year old man couldn’t go twice in one afternoon, it clarifies the original statement. That helps us to better understand.

        Obviously, many of FF statements could be interpreted in more than one way. Look at how you all misinterpreted my comment to mean that it might take an overnight to find the TC which was never even a thought in my head.

        It is my opinion that the TC can be found quite easily if we just understand the true meaning behind FF’s poem, and hints.

        In the story of Looking for Lewis & Clark, FF said that eventually they “loosened our grip on the reins and the horses took us to a dirt road”.
        It is my personal opinion, that we all must “loosen our grip” on what we think FF’s poem, and hints say and figure out what they really say or nobody is going to find this TC.

        • Flutterby, over the past couple of years people have been endangering themselves in creative but stupid ways, simply because they felt “there COULD be more than one interpretation of a statement” made by Forrest Fenn. Of course there could be. There are thousands of posts in hundreds of threads where people talk about exactly that on an on and on. It’s nothing new, and we all do it. It’s fun.

          But, as I said, when he makes a safety statement, I encourage everyone to take that statement as the literal, unambiguous, gospel truth, as simple and straightforward as it possibly can be taken… for their own personal safety.

          You said, “All wise advise, except for one thing.” I say, No! No “except for one thing”, no “more than one interpretation”, no none of that stuff that fills the other threads. Here, in this thread: No interpretations. No ambiguity. 100% nothing but: “Stay safe and stop doing stupid things.”

          This isn’t really to single out your comments. Please don’t take it personally. It’s more about how I feel that the community as a whole should approach statements by Forrest Fenn that are designed to protect the public. Turn off the treasure hunter in you and just say, “Yes, sir.”

          • I’ll second that Jeremy, most of his safety comments are worded simply and clearly. Leaving little room for interpretation. On the other hand a lot of the other ATFs have very ambiguous wording. Those are where we can have some fun arguing about interpretation.

      • hmm… AFTERNOON = ON ORNATE “F”
        He said twice so two ornate f’s? Now not far, but too far to walk might be saying something more than how far he traveled….? Not 4 but 2 4. Not the first 4 – 4:00 am but the second 4 – 4:00 pm???

  9. I’d like to add that grizzly, timberwolves, and mountain lion numbers are all up! While the odds of having an encounter with any of these are very slim and most times harmless. Bear spray does work for all three to keep an incident from becoming harmful. It may save your life, a friends life, and the life of the animal.
    Bear spray!
    Bear spray!
    Bear spray!

  10. Two questions:

    1) A snakebite kit is overkill, right?
    2) What’s the consensus on carrying food in your backpack if you’re going to be in bear country?

    • As soon as you put your backpack on there is food in it.
      Bears say humans taste like chicken.

      Be careful on the highways also. That is where I get scared most often. So many distracted drivers going 80mph.

      • Nice!!! that sure is true! at least the pack gives you something to pitch at the bear, so you can make a hasty retreat.

    • Bears like food – that’s my opinion. So, if you carry food, they will like you also!

      I wouldn’t carry food for that reason.

      • If you carry food, make sure it is sweet – bears like desert after a nice meal 🙂 JDA

  11. Wisdom speaks, and the wise listen good. Thanks Forrest, looking forward to my next BOTG come June. Happy & Safe Hunting!

  12. An FRS radio is a great thing to have too if you go alone. They operate on AA batteries and can be a great help if cell phone dies or coverage is poor. Copy that, over…

  13. Michael, good stuff, OUt of old school habit, I
    carry similar, + 2 tow straps, a handyman jack to go along with the hydraulic. a couple of
    short 4 x4 pieces of wood to add lift if nec.
    to the hydraulic jack., and from the
    dollar store 6 backed 2×2 carpet tiles for under the tires.

  14. Carry a dead fish to toss at the bear. Thanks ff for the wise advice. We hear you and listen good I hope. Peace.

    • At least you won’t have to worry about other searchers moving in on you.

  15. Just finished “Once Upon a While” last evening. Thank you so much for sharing your life stories.. I’m not sure I even care about finding Indulgence anymore..I know she’s out there but the journey, the history, the geography!!! I’ve learned more since following this treasure then in an entire life time! Thank you so much..please write just one more? And I won’t ask for clues to the treasure but a clue on where to find your any of your Ancient Artifacts books would be greatly appreciated!! Everyone stay safe and Happy Hunting!! Thanks FF …love ya old man!!

  16. Thank you for the advice, Forrest . Also, Bear spray, bells, clapping , even singing l (poorly in my case) with a buddy or 2 in bear country are recommended. Don’t bring a dog in some areas unless they are leashed and have boots on if the terrain is too rough. Your pooch could wind up getting severely injured. Please check your search area for trail closures due to bear sightings and always keep a GPS handy. Be safe everyone!!

  17. Hmmm…
    Snake bite kit…shovel…bear spray…umbrella…
    Esmerelda is so packed with “safety stuff” I can’t get in…
    I guess I’ll just spend the summer at home…but now all my safety stuff is in the van…what if I need that flashlight when the “big one” hits and I’m asleep? I better unpack Esmerelda….

    Hmmm…now there’s room for me to get in Esmerelda and go on a trip again…

    I think what we have here is a classic conundrum…lol…

  18. Well, I was feeling pretty good after checking the glove box last weekend to confirm that the flashlight and sandwich were still there from last year. Now I see this. Looks like I’m gonna need a bigger glove box.

    And I need to swing by CW for one or two of these buddies he suggests I drag along. I wonder if CW has a bulletin board with ‘Willing to Search, Will Pay for Half of Gas’ announcements and those tear-off tabs along the bottom with their phone number like we used to post when looking for a ride home for the holidays or down to Lauderdale for spring break back in college.

  19. Bring a sandwich to toss away while you walk away from the bear, and a flashlight to show him where it is:)

  20. I am in NM; Taos for three days and now I am here for four, remembering my first botg experience here in 2013 makes me smile. I am taking a detour to Arizona and San Diego, and then back to Arizona before heading for 7 days in Colorado. It is an adventure.

      • Thanks JDA….I wanted to hike up by the Audobon center this morning, but a mother bear and cub were just spotted on the trail…so I decided to exercise somewhere else!!! Smiles

    • Uh-oh, I thought I was the only one searching in Arizona.

      I better get busy.


  21. Thank you for the very timely reminder Mr. F. I’m heading out soon too along with a bunch of other folks it would appear.

    I would encourage every parent of young children to get their kids interested in Scouting where they will learn what “be prepared” really means. That’s why I’m always at the weight limit for checked baggage.

    Good luck to everyone.


  22. It’s good to hear from you, Forrest!
    Thanks for your concern for us all.

  23. He forgot to mention to leave all our buddy’s in the truck when we get to the hidey spot lol

  24. And yea Forrest forgot a few thangs let’s see in Montana we need a pokey stick to poke-in the crevices of rocks and to sling snakes and then we need bug spray because the flys will eat you up near the lake and river lol then we need really good hiking shoes to out run the grizz

  25. And cell phones don’t work everywhere bring Walkie talkies for all your buddy’s Kids have fun useing them Makes the search a lot of fun

  26. And don’t forget to bring the most important thing, a correct solution. I heard a few people were selling those online. Maybe I’ll buy one just so I have a spare.

    • I’ll sell my correct solution for $3 million and you can go get it before I do in August.

      • Eric,
        I had a gut feeling your solution could be worth the $3M. But I took some Tums and it went away.

        • Time will tell. The snow melts and rivers become fordable by August and my search party is ready

          • I got put in timeout for posting I contemplated selling my solve. Might be useless after JDA’s trip though. lol. I think he traded in his last search spot.

          • I look forward to hearing from JDA after his trip, though Memorial Day is likely way too early if my solve is correct.

  27. Thanks for the advice Forrest. I wish I could search this season, but unfortunately I can’t. Maybe next year if someone doesn’t fiind it first.

  28. It makes me smile to see Forrest writing to us again. Thanks for caring about us Forrest! Hope you are feeling ok.

  29. FMC, and others:
    Snakebite kits are useless. Get to medical care immediately if bitten.
    We searchers need to watch carefully where we step; rattlesnakes are shy and generally well-behaved (we don’t look like food to them), and will avoid us if given the chance.
    Safe searching, everyone!
    “Have flashlight, will travel”

  30. Be bold, be brave, but be wise!
    Excited to start my 2nd season of chasing! Huzzah! 🙂

  31. The Great and Powerful Oz has spoken. Thank You Forrest. In my opinion the greatest advise given is to do the “buddy system”. It has been penned by a wise one….”two are better than one…for they have a good report for their labor…if one falls the other shall help him up…but woe unto him that is alone when he falls”. Having a companion not only doubles the pleasure and doubles the fun…it doubles the eyes and the ears…it doubles the gas as well as any lodging. SAFETY = TAKE NO RISKS and remember that Grizz scat smells like bear spray and has little bells in it. -guy-

      • Best to have your searching partner wait in the car, only if you are in the correct location.

        • Was thinking the same thing LD. For most people on searches / vacations a hiking partner is a good idea. The finder may not need one as it is not in a dangerous place.

        • does, follow the clues to the treasure, mean, follow some of the clues to *the spot* and the rest tell how to find it?
          or…does it mean exactly what he has said every time? right straight to it?

          • The way I see it is that the clues take us to the spot and the blaze tells us how to find it.

          • I’m pretty sure the solver will go right to it, I’ll take F for his word.

          • Ken,
            I think it may fall down to both.

            For someone to be “precise” the clue should be locations and instructions. So not all the clue’s references would be locations / spots call them what ya will. While we are told the poem is written in plain English, I’m reminded of the comment; [in part] “…Write down the full definition of the word “several.” Then Google it and learn that many of us don’t fully understand some of the words we use every day.f

            What we may perceive as simple action words / wording of movement… may only be an observation needed. You do the wrong one and, well, forgetaboutit… it’s just wrong. My thoughts and example will be fenn’s warning about certainty of the location and need to nail down the first clue. They seem to be one in the same, but I have a gut feeling we need the location of all the clues first and foremost, then nail down the first clue. Only most are [ using fenn’s term ] Manufacturing WWH, out of the many.

            So lets say… you got the right location, you have now the correct wwwh and even the canyon… I think at this point in the process folks ‘move’. They move because they think “take it in” is a movement or action they must do. I mean sure… there’s at least 7 more clues to be found right? This is where I think everyone is literally and physically ‘ leaving the poem ‘

            Basically; more are looking for the first clue and not the locations of them… wrong first step imo.
            Some at this point [ on site ] still manufacture WWWH and not understand why fenn wants us there.
            And yet, all seem to leave and go by everything else, 7 remaining clues, and the trove.
            I call that the three strikes syndrome… you’re out of the game. Why might this happen?

            We seemingly are following our own ideas of how it should be… and not the way fenn created it. This, imo, falls to understand ~ ” learn that many of us don’t fully understand some of the words we use every day.f ”

            Searcher are not following the understanding of the information of the words… so they can’t follow the poem to locations or listen to instructions and many only utilize 9 lines of the poem with little or no concern about the other 15.

            Sorry, that was a long answer to your question, but ya should have expect that from me.

            And as always… I’m full of it… opinions that is.

          • I will repeat: “what” is WWWH – not “where”.
            Read, think, imagine and understand.
            Understand, first understand.
            Then find.


      • Hey Zap… idk about you but this little quote kept me up at night. Here’s my take…. the date is key. It appears each Fall F makes a statement that unofficially closes the season. So, on October 7th 2016, if I was your search partner and you were my search partner and we both took fenn’s advice….

  32. A PLB (Personal Locator Beacon) is a really good idea too. It gives off a location signal that Search and Rescue can pick up, even when you don’t have cellphone reception. You can get a PLB for about $280.

    • I’ll have to grab a few after I find the treasure. Sounds like those could be useful down the road.

    • I don’t use one, but I do have a couple-few I’ve found in the woods over the years.

      Which just puzzles the heck out of me, on several counts . . .


  33. Thanks Mr. Fenn for the heads up. If one were speaking redneck the buddy system consists of a gun and a knife. If your homeless it’s a Coleman heater. If your a serious searcher it’s a book and a bible. Point is be safe and this weekend thank a veteran…

    • …….You’ll definitely need a dog helper too, (if you take one) so you can retrieve the chest instead of watching out for puppy problems.

  34. All the streams and rivers are running near or quite a ways above record levels. Some as much as 50% above 90 year old record levels. They are saying record flooding is expected early next week (Monday of Memorial Day weekend) around here, but in the YNP area many places right now. Expect many closures due to flooding. Around here, all the river accesses are closed to foot traffic only.

    • * * * * M. Healey – “All the streams and rivers are running near or . . . above record levels . . . . Around here . . . ” * * * *

      Good to know, but where’s “here”?

      (I ask because it’s not the case around here)


        • thanks!

          fire watch this weekend in CO for CO Springs and Pueblo in the east (so probably Arkansas River valley too), and Grand Junction in the west. North CO is in pretty good shape, but south is very dry.


    • Thank you for the link, Aaron. I saw this on my computer earlier today, but had difficulties viewing it. The creature has characteristics of a bear and a wolf. Curious to see what they find out.

  35. My family is heading out from Florida June 8. My first search. Counting down the days.

  36. Forrest, thank you for your reminder and I hope all will heed. Another loss of life will be very hard to bear. Speaking of another kind of bear give them a very wide berth and keep all food tightly sealed.

    Many, many thanks to all that have passed serving our country. May all rest in peace.

  37. Charlie, I am sitting in class trying to understand how an f-test applies to a process and not getting it so far nor getting your saddle in the mountain. I think I need to pay attention to one or the other..

    • Aaron,

      Long ago I was taught WWWH, that is Whom, When, Where and How. We all know Whom is and approximately When, then Where is the largest question and we all know How. Knowing in the poem WWWH is key, without it all will fail. Then knowing where WWWH is will succeed, provided the rest of the poem is followed precisely. Of course we all know that.

      All stay safe!

  38. Mr. Fenn cautions about using the buddy system… In my opinion, this has less to do with bears or animals, but more to do with accidents or health problems. Too many people are simply careless, and for people from low elevations, simply hiking around at high elevations can be stressful until they adjust to it. A heart attack or a fall are much more likely than a bear attack or a snakebite.

    • That’s true John. We live in low elevation in San Diego and visited Utah to go snowboarding last year. My son ended up getting sick from the elevation and we had to drive him down to a lower elevation and take him to the hospital. I also notice that despite being an avid hiker and runner I get winded myself at higher elevations.

  39. What kind of bird feeder do you have that hums? What does the bird feeder hum?

  40. Dave from KC- I am not convinced that “someone is closing in”. I think you may be referring to FF’s recent statement about his “gut feeling” that someone will find “it” this summer. I have no doubt that someone will find “it”, but I don’t think “it” is a treasure chest. “Begin IT”, and “take IT”; that is the “it” someone will find this summer. I think someone finds it every summer. Do you know how many people are out there in the Rocky Mountains in the summer? Not all of them are searchers. In fact most are not. We have been told that at least two people have been to the first two clues, though its questionable whether they knew what those clues were. But, they didn’t get to the 3rd clue because they didn’t know what “it” was. That doesn’t mean they didn’t find “it”. It just means they didn’t know what “it” was.

    So I find it humorous that so many people are convinced that based upon FF’s statement, somebody is going to find “it” this summer. I think they misinterpret the statement wrong. I think the clue in FF’s statement (and yes, I think many of his statements have clues) is his “gut” feeling. I think that is the clue.

    So everybody take a deep breath! There is probably no greater chance of anyone finding the treasure chest this summer than there has been any other summer.

    • Flutterby,

      What I find hard to understand is that some here including you is the nay saying that it won’t be found this summer. Just because it hasn’t been found in the past, does not mean it won’t be found this year. What I am also getting is, it is impossible to find in our lifetime.

      F and his “gut feeling” to finding it this summer. I believe he knows something otherwise he wouldn’t have made that statement. I have a strong tendency to take F for his word.

      It must be those that don’t have a complete solve are the Nay Sayers.

      Just say’n

      • CharlieM- Once again, I have been told that I said something I did not say. I do not think the TC can’t be found this summer. It might be. What I said was that I think people are misinterpretting the statement from FF about the gut feeling that it will be found this summer. I think “it” will be found this summer by dozens or more of the folks visiting the RMs this summer. But, will they know what “it” is? Does FF’s statement say that it is his “gut” feeling that the TC will be found this summer? Or does it say it is his “gut” feeling that “it” will be found. What is “it”? I think I know and I don’t think it is the TC. So, while the TC might be found this summer, and FF might even be saying that he thinks it will, he also might be saying something else. Words have lots of different meanings! That is what I’m saying.

        Interestingly; I think that while everyone is all excited about “it” being found this summer, I wonder how many have overlooked the words “gut feeling” and don’t recognize it for the hint I think it is.

        I know I’ve made one trip this summer already and have others planned. I have every hope that the TC will be found. I feel certain that “it” will be found, but “it” in my opinion is not the TC.

        • Flutterby,

          I believe you are misinterpret “gut feeling” and “it” is the TC. You keep saying “it”, what the heck is “it” if it is not the TC? I think people are making the poem harder than it needs to be, just use the words in context that they are set in. The reason I feel most can’t solve the poem is because they don’t have the correct WWWH, if they do then they don’t know hoB nor the blaze.


          • CharlieM, I posted the same thing when this statement came out. If FB is referring to the same thing as me than “it” would be the “it” in the second stanza. I have feeling “it” will be found as well, whether the finder(s) know it or not when they see it. Got it?

          • Aaron,

            It means as Begin it = your search, the same as take it = your search.

            Nothing else IMO

          • Thank you Aaron for helping me explain “it” to Charlie.

            FF said, “There are several people that have deciphered the first two clues. I don’t think they knew it, because they walked right on past the treasure chest.”

            I interpret that statement by FF to mean that people didn’t know “it”. To me this means that people may or may not have known the first two clues. But, they did not know what “it” was and therefore they walked right past the treasure chest.

            “Begin IT WWWH”
            “Take IT in the canyon down”

            I think that knowing “it” is as important as knowing “I”. If you have to ask what the heck “it” is, then you are probably not understanding the poem. Its written in plain English according to FF. IMO

          • Flutter by,

            I don’t buy what you are saying. Not to ruffle your feathers, it is you that doesn’t understand the poem. You are grasping at straws for a solve.

            No point in discussing it further I guess we shall see 🙂

        • Flutterby… So if they had the first two clues correct but “walked” right by the treasure chest that means at least clue two you are OUT of your car… There goes my theory of driving to the “Put in” below the home of Brown… Maybe there is a second “Put in” up around the bend on the trail… to the nigh or do we go right to it? Gonna have to rewire my solve a bit now 🙂

          I’m not heading out until July but getting super stoked!!! Although I have too miss Fennboree this year to save some cash and will miss the Montana meet up as well… 🙁

          • According to Forrest there’s not a human trail nearby which would include a road. You won’t be driving by it. I believe that Forrest made two trips to the location after leaving his car, but he avoids answering whether he took another mode of transportation and where the two trips originated after leaving the car. He’s also an avid horse rider and enjoys taking a bed roll. Did he ride a horse to the spot and make two trips from the horse? Did he return to the car the same night? I believe they could walk within 200′ to 500′ of the treasure if they had the first two clues correct but it was pure luck they chose the correct trail down the canyon.

          • Forrest stated there is not a human trail “in very close proximity” to where he hid the treasure. I believe there is a trail in close proximity, just not VERY close. Meaning it’s not right beside the trail. I believe he took a road to a parking area for a trailhead, took the trail for a little ways, and went off trail at some point to hide. He’s commented that he likes to go off trail. I also believe that the area in which it is hidden a somewhat trafficked trail. As he knows people have been within 100-200 feet of the treasure. I don’t feel he took a raft or a canoe or a horse to hide. I don’t think you need a 4-wheel drive. I also feel that when hiding he would have felt a sense of duty to place it in a spot that could be found by anyone. Making it fair game. Hasn’t he even made a comment that he could see a small child finding it as they are more agile?

          • JNC I believe a small child could solve the poem before an adult could because imagination is more powerful than knowledge and not necessarily that a child could get to it in the bush because they’re more agile.

  41. Memorial Weekend 2018…..

    Thank you Forrest for your service to the country so long ago and far away. We are quite sure that your actions in combat saved the lives of many on the ground. We don’t think they were able to thank you or even knew your name. But rest assured you acted as if an angel descending from heaven in their hour of need. We believe that silver star you have, is really a symbolic thanks from all of them. No one will ever be able to crean it from you…..

    We simply cannot comprehend your sacrifice.

    To you, CCCCIV and all those that have served on our behalf, we salute you.

    Best regards always;

    Sherif Billy and Deputy Katie

  42. Mr. Fenn,
    Thanks for the words.
    We love hearing from you.
    Clearly Clueless

  43. Travis Brown,
    Obviously you have never bird watched with me. Have you ever figured out how to track down an eagle’s nest or an osprey nest? I’ve been studying these birds for months and watching their patterns. So have 2,000 other residents of our lake community and yet none of them know where the nests are. Clearly you don’t see the similarity. But, that’s ok.

    I do not think finding the treasure is going to be any more difficult than following the the bird clues once the poem clues are solved. In fact, I’ve done some pretty stupid stuff to get high enough access to photograph the inside of an eagle’s nest that is 100 feet off the ground in order to photo the eaglets. I’ve come back with broken toes and various other injuries. I do not think anyone needs to break any body parts or traverse any dangerous areas. I think we need to do our homework and follow the clues. Once we know what we are looking for, I really think its a matter of following the clues.

    • I didn’t mean to make light of your treks. It sounded like bird watching. I didn’t mean to offend. Honestly I’m jealous of your treks.

      • No offense taken Travis. I agree that we all need to stay safe. No need to do anything an 80 year old man wouldn’t do. I’m sure its not like a walk in the park, but I do think that once the are clues studied and the “answers I already know” discovered, then it isn’t going to be too tough. Can’t wait til sunrise- off on another adventure tomorrow.

  44. Eric D- Our favorite place to hike is Yosemite National Park. Its in our backyard. The people who visit Yosemite Valley often take trails to various destinations and those trails were human/man-made trails designed to get people out of the cars to see interesting things. But, the people who visit the backcountry know that not all trails are human/man-made. Some are made by streams or rock formations. So just because the trail is not human/man-made, does not mean that there is no trail. It also does not mean that other humans aren’t using it. It just means it was created by something in nature rather than a human.

    • Guys,

      This is way off topic for this thread, maybe over at Odds ‘n Ends.

      Just say’n 🙂

  45. What he said, but also Cutter’s/DEET. Fleas, ticks, and skeeters are not your friends. Plus extra batteries for the GPS, and maybe a water purifier.

    • Thanks dal!!

      0_0!!! Wow, if Indulgence ain’t found this summer….we’ll all know where it is!!! 🙂

  46. Dal – Didn’t Forrest mention Hummingbirds? They fly just like a rescue helicopter would, if I get stuck alone in there. Spring thunderstorms are intense in the Rockies, and Spring snowmelt is causing heavy loads and water high, as I write this. And that high water could very well be the very definition of home of Brown, right about now.

    But The Chase can be cutthroat, even for Hummingbirds:

    Felipe won the Nat Geo film contest here in Sun Valley two years ago. Then they gave him his own show, called “Untamed”.

    I believe there is a migratory seasonal message here from Forrest: to go North to search when Mother Nature says so. And not before.

  47. swwot- For starters, I’m glad someone seems to be considering this train of thought.

    I believe that the poem tells us a general location but then details a rock formation that we must find. I’m not sure what you mean by “reconstruct using materials in the area”.

    I believe I’ve had several things figured out for a long time now, but I was not making any sense out of the first paragraph until this week.

    1. I believe “I” is water. In the story, Looking for Lewis & Clark, FF says that they followed a little stream that got narrower and the sides got taller until nothing could get through but water. So I brainstormed where water can go that other things can’t. I came up with Cloud. A cloud is a cluster of moisture droplets that evaporate into the air and as they form a cloud, the warm air rises until it becomes too heavy with moisture and the cloud releases the water like a “waterfall” in the middle of a clearing (My War For Me) (also think about River Bathing is Best where warm water was up stream and cooler water was downstream)

    2. I believe that “it” is the water cycle or evidence of the water cycle which is seen in rock formations.

    “As I have gone alone in there”
    As=during the time that
    “I” = water
    “gone” = passed away or past
    “alone” = the rock is still there but the water has evaporated. So, therefore, the water “alone” is gone from the rock.
    “there”= such place

    “I can keep my secrets where”
    “I” = water
    “can” = am able to
    “keep”= hold (picture FF in the bookstore wanting to just ‘hold’ two books) The rock formations are essentially the book of the history of the Rocky Mountains.
    “my”= “what I created”
    “secrets”= hidden (much of the rock formations that have been pushed upward are actually not visible. Only a small percentage can be seen. Most of the rock is inside the formation itself.
    “where”= wear (I believe that as water ‘wears’ away at the rock formations it leaves behind its secrets)

    “And hint of riches old and new”
    “And”= conjunction telling us that as the water is ‘keeping its secrets’ and ‘wearing’ away rock, it is leaving behind a ‘hint’ of “old and new”. The Rocky Mountains were preceded by another mountain formation long before the current RM came into being. We know that because of the story told in the rock formations. There are ‘hints’ of both the old RM and the current RM in the rock formations. In some areas, where the older rock has been upturned, it is very easy to read the history.
    “hint” = rock formation suggesting history of RM
    “riches” = treasures from the past and natural resources
    “old and new” = evidence of both current RM and ancestral RM

    “Begin it where warm waters halt” I believe is referring to two things. One is a formation with a cloud name. The other is the craton rock that is so ancient that it has lost its water content. It is non-permiable (making it lame or halt)

    I do not think that there is a man made structure connected to the spot, but I do believe that nature herself has created a place for the TC. FF has said that whatever happens now, it is for the ages. If it is part of a rock formation (inserted into or setting on a formation) then it is truly part of the ages. Its now part of the history of the RM. FF did not want to be an asterisk in a book that was never written. I believe he wrote his history, his poem and his book to lead us to a rock formation where quite literally his history is included in the rock formation that tells the story of the Rocky Mountains. He is not an asterisk in a book that was never written. He has placed himself in the book written in stone.

    Think of the statement that his mother always made sure he wore clean underwear in case of an accident. She was the perfect example of “long-sightedness”. In fact; mother nature’s long-sightedness has left behind a record of the history of the rocky mountains. So basically the Rocky Mountain’s underwear is showing in places where rock has been pushed upward showing the ancient past history easily visible.

    You know that recent quote about “gut feeling”. I think it refers to the contents of the Rocky Mountains being pushed up (the guts of the RM)

    I cannot find a single quote anywhere that does not support this scenario. I believe that the “big picture” we are supposed to focus on is the story of the Rocky Mountains.

    • Flutterby,

      IMO the first stanza is some of those few words that will not help. You sure are fixated on rocks and water in the clouds and now “underwear”!! I still think you are off track with the poem. Sure rocks that heaved up are all over the RMs, that’s what the Rockies are primarily.

      I think your “flutterby” is your mind bouncing all over the walls. I have to admit that is the reason you most likely haven’t found the TC. F has said the poem is in plain English. I sure in the heck wouldn’t want to have a conversation in person with you as I most likely won’t be able to understand a word that you have said, or is it your dyslexic and reading everything backwards.

      I’m just fun’in, although your approach is way different that I have ever seen. When I say I, its me not water.

  48. CharlieM- I believe that knowing that a butterfly is really a flutterby suggests that we are not looking for things. We are looking for the action the things produce. The story of the Rocky Mountains recorded in stone is the visible evidence of action or processes.

    As to why I havent found the TC yet- I only figured out the meaning of the first stanza a few days ago even though I have believed since I read TTOTC the first time, that “I” in the poem is water.

    I searched one area casually last summer while trying to figure something out.

    I did another search this summer before I could understand the first stanza. I just could not see what it was saying. FF has told us that all the words were chosen carefully and that almost all the words are necessary. IMO- it would not be necessary to state within the poem about how he went alone to hide the TC. Waste of words. Who cares how it got hidden. The question is, where is it? So I believe that the first stanza explains how “I” = water was involved in the “big picture” of the RM. Does it tell us where the TC is? No! But it tells us that “it” is the history of the RM written in stone.

    If you dont know “it” you arent getting anywhere IMO

    Ive only been working on rock formation study for a few days. Its gonna take longer than that!

    However, I believe that I know what part of the RM the poem is sending us to. That is a good start. Knowing “I” =water and that “it” is evidence of the water cycle is a huge step IMO.

    “Heavy loads and water high” as well as “”no paddle up your creek” gets us in the right vicinity IMO.

    Now Im studying the geography in my search location because FF has said that no specific knowledge is necessary but geography might help.

    I challenge you to go back to TTOTC and read about the Totem Pole Caper. Then lets discuss the way this story tells the history of the RM. Its there! IMO

    • Flutterby,

      No thanks on reading the book again, done it, done it, done it!! As far as I in the 1st stanza I = FF, and as far as “it” = your search, on both accounts. Your method of focusing on rocks and water only IMO will not produce a TC and your over thinking the poems words will have no results. F is not that twisted in his use of words as you proclaim.

      No matter what I say you’ll just keep going down rabbit hole after rabbit hole. I wish you the best of luck in your search. Twelve days and counting, we shall see.

      • Rocks and water formations aren’t going to yield the TC, but Flutterby is an important hint IMO and I’ll explain it’s importance after my trip in August when I post my solve. Heavy loads and water high as well as paddle all refer to geographic features on a map and all the clues are contiguous, but the TC is a good distance away from the paddle, heavy loads, and water high.

        • Eric: how far do you think the Chest is from the beginning of no paddle. Heavy Loads and Water High. Can I ask how you feel that waters are distance from the chest. What do you define as your Blaze?

          • If they are geographic features were you able to follow the 6 or 7 clues that brought you to this conclusion .

          • I am able to follow all clues that brought me to this conclusion in order and all are geographic features that read like a map. WWWH is approximately 10 miles from hOB down the canyon. The TC is at least 2 miles from Water high. If I told you the blaze I’m afraid I would disclose too much information and I’ll disclose that after August when I go on my hunt.

      • CharlieM-

        Suit yourself ! That doesn’t mean you have to dress yourself in a business suit. In fact, you can stay in your underwear if you choose- as long as its clean of course because you never know when there might be an accident 🙂

        “your over thinking the poems words will have no results”
        Hmm. . .really?

        Mobey Dickens Bookstore Interview with Forrest Fenn
        “I looked up the meaning of words. You know, we really don’t know what some of our words mean. For instance what does the word several mean?”

        Turns out, FF looked up meanings of words and considered alternate meanings as he wrote his poem. I simply looked up all possible definitions of words as FF did it.

        “FF is quoted as saying, ““The poem is written in plain English words that mean exactly what they say.” (FF Oct 2017) If they mean exactly what they say, then we should probably be sure we know what they mean and the way to do that is to look them up in the dictionary.

        So if FF told us he looked up the meanings of words, then I think it make sense to know all of the meanings of all of the words in the poem.

        But, as I said; suit yourself. If you would prefer not to look at rocks and the record of the RMs, do what works for you.

        We know for a certainty that Fenn told us that no special knowledge is required to solve the poem, but geography might help. That makes it pretty clear to me that understanding geography is the way to solve this poem.

  49. The paddle is just below heavy loads and right by the place for the meek which is below the hoB. The entire solve is 10-11 miles wide but in the same canyon/area and all clues are pretty much contiguous.

    • WOW Eric sounds like you have a solid solve. What do you think the waters high curtails

      • It’s water singular and it’s a feature that is high and word choice is very important when solving. I have found that a dictionary and thesaurus is crucial to solving the puzzle. I also believe my solve is solid as I have never seen it posted or mentioned before online.

        • Interesting. Can I ask which state your hunting I think you already said but can’t find it.

          • I wrote software to sift through a list of all geographic features in all of the search states at the proper altitude and settled on about 4 potential places with several features that matched keywords or synonyms from the poem. After investigating those I found only one where all the clues lined up and I’ll be headed to Wyoming in August.

          • I will also note that I have ruled out Dinosaur National Monument/Browns Park in Colorado, Beaverhead-Deerlodge in Montana, and another location in Wyoming.

          • I also think that if my solve is correct that Dal has been very close at one point in time from what he stated on his blog, but he might not have been looking for the TC in that specific location when he was there and may have been on a side mission.

  50. Just want to mention a good tool for hiking on and off trail. My wife and I hike frequently and use the All-Trails app. When hiking on a trail you can select your map and it paints a line on the map of the trail with a dot for you so you can be sure you are on the right trail. For $99 fee she got the pro version. With that you can go to all trails on your computer and map your on trail. This can be an off trail hike that you map out yourself. While following it on your phone you can see if your staying on your designed path easily. I also have a phone charging case and am bringing a back-up portable charger just in case.

  51. Stay on topic here…this is about safety…not where you are searching…there are other discussion pages for those topics..

    • Sorry Dal, I think I started this diatribe in replying to Flutterby a couple of days ago.

  52. Whenever I read FF’s writing, it seems that I find something new I hadn’t seen before. In reviewing his statement above, I’m curious about this quote.

    “Take plenty of warm clothes, water, food, a GPS, survival gear, and a cell phone. There is no substitute for planning, and please don’t go anywhere an 80-year-old man couldn’t go twice in one afternoon. Good luck, and please stay safe. f”

    My question is about the part which says, “Take plenty of warm clothes”, which does not seem to fit with the other clause, “don’t go anywhere an 80-year-old man couldn’t go twice in one afternoon”. He did say, “summer is settling in”, and that seems to indicate the weather is warm, so why “plenty of warm clothing” for an outing in which one is to go back and forth twice in one afternoon? Yes, I know he also mentioned that in some places, snow is still on the ground, so I suppose one would want to dress for that, but “plenty of warm clothes” seems excessive for a casual walk to a place you can go back and forth twice in an afternoon. Could there be a hint subtly hidden here?

    So I googled “clothes”. Oddly, I noticed that a synonym for clothes is “weed”. Now, that seems really odd to me. I had never heard of this before. In this same post, FF said, “The weeds are doing very well in my yard”. I know he has mentioned weeds in other posts and I’ve wondered about weeds. But, what about the fact that he is saying clothing is important and also talking about his weeds, when in fact these two words are synonyms?

    Merriam Webster gives these definitions of weeds, which show that “weed” is indeed a synonym of clothing” 1. dress worn as a sign of mourning (as by a widow) —usually used in plural 2. a band of crape worn on a man’s hat as a sign of mourning —usually used in plural.

    Is there some hint hidden in this discussion where weeds are mentioned, as well as taking plenty of warm clothes when in fact weeds and clothes are synonyms? I know FF has many quotes which mention clothes and also many quotes which mention weeds.

    Does anybody think there is something to the way this is worded?

    Take plenty of warm clothes, water, food, a GPS, survival gear, and a cell phone. There is no substitute for planning, and please don’t go anywhere an 80-year-old man couldn’t go twice in one afternoon. Good luck, and please stay safe. f

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