I Think The Chest is Here…



Many searchers have decided the chest is in a general area…maybe even a specific area of the known universe of the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe. So this is the place where we can talk about where we, as individuals, think the chest is at…Don’t give away too much though… 🙂


370 thoughts on “I Think The Chest is Here…

  1. Somewhere along the continental divide in or around the Chama River Canyon Wilderness.

  2. Here is our solve:
    35.740784 -105.678731
    Believe that the Thrill of the Chase is a tremendously personal and spiritual journey for Forrest Fenn as we hope to illustrate through our thesis regarding the location of the Major’s hidden treasure. Throughout his message, he emphasizes the need to start at the beginning where the warm waters halt. We believe that this is where the Agua Caliente Ditch meets at the Pecos River, just below San Jose, New Mexico. But here is where one needs to be diligent in their interpretation of the poem.
    Major Fenn has often stated that he barely passed high school and that his being able to graduate was in part because his father was a school principal within their school district. This may have been because he might have dyslexia in which the written word is often scrambled in the mind of the reader. Therefore, everything within the poem might be scrambled as well. Right may be left and up may be down. In which case, don’t pursue the treasure down the canyon but rather go up.
    When you put in below the home of Brown, provided that the home of Brown might have been the Lisboa Springs Hatchery where the Brown Trout often found their home within. Again, pursuing your travels going north, you will find yourself at Macho Creek. Just as its name implies, it is NO place for the meek. If you were to pursue a journey up the Macho Creek, you will find numerous multi-level waterfalls which would directly tie in to no paddle up your creek as well as heavy loads and water high.
    But, if you have been wise, which hundreds of thousands of individuals haven’t been, you will find the Blaze. This is where Fenn’s spiritual journey has led us to. He has stated that he isn’t much of a religious person but it would be hard to find someone who is as spiritual as is he. That he doesn’t attend church but rather the mountains and streams are his church, a philosophy which we too hold to be true.
    With that in mind, we did not follow his clues exactly but rather cut immediately to the chase. What is the Blaze? Everyone has their own theories but we have never heard anyone apply what should be the most logical, especially for a spiritual person. The Holy Ghost (Spirit). Ever since the first Pentecost, the Holy Ghost has been depicted as a tongue or blaze of fire. We immediately got on the computer and started searching the four states for something related to the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit. That is when, we found the Holy Ghost Creek in the mountains Northeast of Santa Fe at 7,200 feet in elevation.
    Fine, we found what would appear to be a logical Blaze but Dave needed much more to go on than that to persuade his wonderful wife of 45 years to go on a hunt for hidden treasure. Don’t worry, she is pretty use to his wild eyed dreams and is usually eager to embark on any adventure together. So what else would give credence to such an assumption? Well, what about the fact that there are 9 clues in 24 lines of the poem. Immediately, we were able to focus in on the nine spiritual gifts of the Holy Ghost as stated in 1 Corinthians 12: 8-10 as well as in Galatians 5:22 – 23. Also nine is a sacred number associated with wisdom, thus referring to wise in the poem. It is also used in reference to heaven, which this area of New Mexico certainly appears to be.
    Our next step in the search was to find anything symbolized in the number 24. Immediately we were able to discover that this number is associated with Family, Companionship and Harmony. What better way to describe the purpose of Forrest Fenn’s plan in the first place. To get people off their couch and the kids away from their video games in order to enjoy what God has created in the outdoors for all of us to enjoy.
    What really closed the deal for us was “Just take the chest and go in peace” To us, nothing symbolized this more was the Benedictine Monastery in Pecos which has emboldened on their entrance Peace and Paz, along with the image of the Holy Ghost, as you depart the area. What better way to conclude the search than with words from Saint Benedict who wanted to escape the rat race of the city to the Wilderness in where he could find peace.
    Major Fenn mentioned that an individual had been within 200 feet of the treasure. We did find a gentleman that was on the bridge http://www.chasechat.com/archive/index.php?thread-2271.html and yet another lady that passed right by it https://dalneitzel.com/2014/07/22/unexpectedtreasure/. Don’t believe that either made a connection with the Blaze being the Holy Ghost in that neither referenced that creek. If they had, they would have realized that it is just about 200-300 feet away from that bridge as Fenn had stated. We explored both sides of the Holy Ghost Creek and looked at a number of fallen trees and stumps. My wife pointed out to an interesting “thing” out of the norm which appeared to be a motion detector like device attached high to a tree in almost the exact spot of the convergence of both the Pecos and the Holy Ghost. We thought to ourselves, how a 79 year old man would be able to plant that device so high in that tree?
    Personally, we don’t believe that Forrest Fenn was an ordinary 79 year old. He was shot down over enemy territory twice and was able to evade capture. His poem even said that,” If you are brave and in the wood”, then you would receive title to the gold. Now keep in mind, everything might be scrambled up here, so when he said, “Look quickly down”, it could have actually meant up. In either case, we believe that the treasure is immediately off of Holy Ghost Canyon Road, on the West bank of the Holy Ghost Creek. It is extremely close to the convergence of the Holy Ghost Creek and the Pecos River.
    Another part of the poem that tends to make us believe that is at the top of the tree is the line, “tarry scant with marvel gaze.” Which seems to indicate, don’t hang around too long at the top of a high ladder entranced by the beauty of your surroundings.
    One interesting tidbit which we hadn’t noticed in any of the clues is that the exact same type of logging bridge is located at both the beginning and the end of the area in question. To see the significance of a bridge in the life of Forrest Fenn, you must refer to https://dalneitzel.com/2014/08/10/scrapbook-eighty-nine/ . Funny that he even uses the word macho in the description of this story.
    If, our Interpretation of this poem is correct, it would be a sad commentary on the state of our Nation today. We have excluded God from our homes, our churches, our schools and our government so it is not surprising that in eight years not a single person was able to see the spiritual significance in this Chase.
    Hopefully, the Fenn’s Treasure will soon be discovered and will find its rightful place within the Smithsonian where it should reside being a National Treasure.

    • I am dyslexia and it doesn’t mean opposite. It means the last comes first before the beginning. The mind jumps ahead of one’s thinking. It’s the compound words and phrases that screw me up if I think to quickly.

    • Hi Dave –

      Those of us who have spent a lot of time searching in New Mexico had to make a very important adjustment a few years ago. You see, Forrest has told us on multiple occasions that the treasure is at least 8.25 miles north of Santa Fe.

      Had you considered this?

      Do you fly as far north as Beatty’s Cabin?

      • I think it’s in NM. My dad knew it was in NM. But he went out in a blaze of glory, before it was found. He was 80 and not looking for it. But one life lesson I learned is not to bet against him. Not because he was always right because if proved wrong he would claim that’s what he was saying all along. In other words. He would welch on it. But. I’m 99% sure it is in NM. And. Dal I will try to remember to share with you if I find it. For all the research you share and this site and I will even share a private message with you. To show my gratitude. If my wisdom clue helps you and you find it maybe you will give me a coin or two . too. Thank you. Is this what you were asking for? What state?

    • The Smithsonian is my last choice.They have more artifacts in storage than on display.
      If I can bring the tresure out,my first stop is the Buffalo Bill Center if the Wild West. Forrest can get his bracelet there wghen he gos yo the board neeting

  3. First/begin warm waters H.ALT

    Dinwoody glacier Wyoming….in the canyon down…brave andin the wood!

    • DINt –

      Dinwoody is maybe the most difficult place to reach in WY.

      If you are not aware the Brown Cliffs are near.

    • There’s been so much chatter lately about MT/WY following the release of a 2006 video of him in which he talks about driving up there regularly.

      I’ve never understood the basis for the ‘home in time for dinner with Peggy’ argument that seems to justify the NM location.

      When and what has f said that indicates he was at home the evening of the day he hid the TC?

      • He also said he regularly went on nusiness trips and would be gone for several days, so it would not be unual for him to be gone for a couple days.

      • Hi Aadvarkbark –

        I said a couple of years ago that I recall the story of Fenn saying he was home before supper and his wife didn’t know he was even gone.

        I have no idea where I got that from. My recollection is that it was from a video interview and not with Dal.

        Without evidence there is no reason to believe this. I cringe every time I read it because I believe it gets repeated because of me.

        If anyone else would like to assume the blame for this, please feel free.

        Lugnutz Dodge, Forest Island

    • Not a thing, Aardvark. Forrest could have hidden the treasure in any one of the four states, and I think it’s a mistake for people to think his only option was to slip away for the day and be back by suppertime. If we know anything about Forrest, he is clever, determined and resourceful. Whatever spot he chose, he could work out the logistics to make it happen.

      • I agree that it could be any of four states. However, where did he decide to live out his life at. It wasn’t Yellowstone, it was New Mexico. He must love that state more than anyplace else.

      • Perhaps, Dave, but there are other considerations for choosing a place to live besides its natural beauty. Winters in northern states are cold and long — no place for the meek, you might say. As people age, that becomes an ever greater factor. There is a reason that Florida, southern California and Arizona have large “seasoned citizen” populations. Also, if Forrest wanted to get into the art gallery business, what better place than Santa Fe in the early 70s?

        Finally, I don’t recall reading any chapters in any of his three memoirs entitled “In Love with Santa Fe.” I would think anyone who has seen “Citizen Kane” would at least consider the Rosebud angle.

        • I would think the art dealer business had something to do with SF as well, for setting up roots. And not so much, the chest has to be in NM.
          The other factor is; “…in the mountains N. of SF…”
          It appears to be left open-ended for a reason. fenn could have easily placed “NM”.

          But then again, the book was only to be sold by a single book store in SF at the beginning.

          Yet the book is supposed to help with the clues and most of the stories relate to MT, WY.

          Oh! well… who knows? Even If we knew a time line of when fenn came across the location, it would still be a guess to which state…

          Lived in TX, traveled thru all four states for 20 years with his family. Moved to SF and traveled all four states for Cody, and other things he was involved with. Hopped on his plane and flew with little regards of where, only how much fuel it would use to go anywhere.
          Not to mention later trips with Peggy and the kids…

          IF I was a “guessing” man I would lean toward ‘two can keep a secret is one is dead’ as a subtle thought.

          I think all four states are just about as equal as equal can be… when guessing.

    • My preference for New Mexico is simply speculation combined with the fact that I live here. I make afternoon day trips from Albuquerque in search of special places that FF may have frequented to fish. It is as good a guess as any place IMO.

      • I have a fishing hole I’d like you all to check out sometime after this is over if possible. I’ll share the location when the time is right.

    • I’m with Michael as well. Familiarity is so important. Imagine if you had to hide something yourself. I can promise you I’m not driving more than 2 hours.

  4. I think that it’s in Yellowstone in a small canyon in Pleasant Valley. Tower Creek is the coldest creek in YNP and cools off the Yellowstone River where it enters at Devil’s Den just below Tower Falls. If you follow the 6120 elevation line downriver in the Yellowstone from Devil’s Den, you will put in just below Garnet Hill, where you can hunt for Brown Garnets Continue up Elk Creek until the 6120 elevation line turns back downhill at the mouth of a small canyon on the left. From there you have to wade across Elk Creek to get into the canyon, which also has a small creek terminating in a spring at the upper end of the canyon. The blaze is a rock slide at the head of the canyon and the TC is at the bottom of the slide under the rocks in the damp soil. Just kick away the rock, grab the chest and go in peace. On the North end of Pleasant Valley is Roosevelt Lodge where you can stay and relax on the front porch in preparation for your adventure.and after you have put it in the trunk of your rental car. I hope that I haven’t revealed too much.

      • IMO more like the 6,666 elevation line. I believe Dal was one of those searchers with in 200 feet of the tc.

    • Adrian ~ ‘where you can hunt for Brown Garnets’

      Do you consider this as hoB? The gem is of other colors as well, orange, red, for examples.

      I like tower falls itself for the whole location myself… right up to HLnWH. Not to mention while standing below the falls, during the morning hours, there is usually a rainbow. At the top of the fall you have the towers and a hot spring, at the bottom is petrified wood. during the colder drier season the falls slow drastically.
      The place has a making of a good search location… only nothing pops in my head for a hoB. But I have to ask where you got the information on; “… Tower Creek is the coldest creek in YNP and cools off the Yellowstone River…”

      At the the top of the fall the rock erosion [limestone] was eaten away by the warmer/hot spring there it left behind the tower [obsidian rock]… is there a reason the waters seem to cool off before hitting YS river-?- even cold than the river?

      Just curious……….

      • Seeker,
        My above “solve” is a facetious account of my first attempt at a solve and should not be taken seriously. When I started on my initial “quest” last year, the first thing that I did was to dig for information on the temperature of waters in YNP. The notes I made then lead me to website:
        https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/yell/smith/smith-kendall/sec2.htm, YELLOWSTONE, Fishes of the Yellowstone National Park,PRINCIPAL FISHING WATERS., YELLOWSTONE RIVER AND BRANCHES BELOW THE FALLS

        It states therein that Tower Creek is PERHAPS the coldest creek in YNP. The rest of my rambling is all deduction. Note: In my subject rambling, I state in error that Roosevelt Lodge is at the North end of Pleasant Valley (Yancys) – – it’s actually on the South end.

        With respect to Garnet Hill, I researched garnets and found that there are many colors and that gems names are usually capitalized. Sooooo – – I was reaching for the HOB.
        What really go me started on that area was that many pictures of Forrest in his study show a bison head on the wall behind him with a red ring painted on it – – which would constitute a “blaze”. As I explored topographical maps in Yellowstone, I spotted elevation lines on the hill south of Garnet Hill that looked very similar to that bison head. Pleasant Valley also has the attributes that Forrest said that he could observe from where he hid the chest.
        There’s lots of history in that area, but I found no records that indicate that FF spent any time there. My analysis had many holes and there a many human trails there- – so I abandoned that area as a possible solve area.

    • Agreed! As FF inplied, someone will probably find it this year – I’m betting on Dal.

        • You make me nervous Travis.
          The blaze could be within 500′ from Taylor Creek.
          I’ll be going soon unless you find it.

          • Serious I make you nervous? Na it’s not there Jake. You and I both know it.

          • Hey Travis, I’m not totally convinced it’s there or not.

            We BOTG searchers must do what can only answer these questions.

            If you’re able & willing as us to break the armchair, then you have a chance. I will always believe it’s somewhere in the Gallatin National Forest.

            Ya, Zap had a whip from the lip and assumed your WWWH was in the park & is totally wrong as we both know. No one should assume anything about any of the searchers without the details let alone post it here without questioning the searcher to make sure.

            No Muset!
            Oh the drama…
            Why don’t we all meet there at the same date & time in september? We can all be rich beyond our wildest dreams.

            Muset, did you arrive at Taylor from WWWH? Or are you just poking around like many there & I mean MANY that I know of.

          • Hey Jake,

            I’m just searching wherever you say the treasure is at. I still haven’t found it, though. Where next?

          • I can’t believe all the people going to feed my rabbit Muset LOL.
            I’m having a lot of fun with this & I like the area but there are no guarantees. I’ll throw you another carrot.
            I could never get anyone to confirm Forrest landed at 9QCR but there was a horse there named “Lightning”.
            Go figure…

          • Jake, if I remember correctly, FF rode a rented horse by
            the name of Lightning about 1945. FF likely did not land
            anywhere near 9QCR in a plane within 10 years of 1945. So . . . thanks for the offer of the “carrot”, but I’m not following it into any rabbit hole. All IMO.

          • Jake –

            Since you wanted to throw me some shade the other day accusing me of being “all over the place”, allow me to return the favor.

            Cinnamon Mountain
            Rainbow Lodge

            Tell me I’m wrong, but don’t you remain focused there because it’s south of Blaze Mountain?

            Isn’t all this way to obvious? Wouldn’t this mean the clues were not aberrations but giant arrows pointing tot he location?

            he worked on it, turning it over his mind, adjusting words, for years. And then the answer Blaze is in the poem and on the map for all to see?

            NIGH is the best idea you ever had, now drive.

          • Lug,
            Blaze Mountain has always been out of my equation from the beginning for me. Duh! let’s go looking for the blaze 1st without finding BIWWWH.
            Yes you’re wrong.

            You need to settle down in a general area to have a chance.

            Yesireee. NIGH is the word that is key.

        • I think it’s below the surface, but along some visual layer . first two clue gives the location, and the rest will gradually work your way down, you know, in the canyon down, below the home of Brown, no paddle up, look quickly down, carbon dated rings, layers, that’s Forres’s thrill, digging artifacts through layer’s of time.

    • I can walk “around” YNP while not being within a thousand miles of it, IMO. When you say “around”, how “close” do you mean?

      • Not far, but maybe further than I can walk…I am a little out of shape though so please factor that in. Who cares? I am not ff so my ideas on the exact amount of distance I would potentially search ‘around’ YNP doesn’t really matter tighterfocus 🙂

    • Hi Dave from KC,

      I used to be in the Yellowstone camp for all the reasons searches constantly mention on the blogs. Natural beauty, phenomenal wildlife, hot springs, etc, etc, and where he wants to spend eternity. I get all that.

      But unless you have something (directions) from within the poem that takes you specifically to Yellowstone NP, then you might want to reconsider your search area.

      Sorry to all you Yellowstone searchers, but that’s the way I see it and more importantly, the way Mr. F created it.


      • This statement applies to any area not just YNP right? Something in the poem has to bring you to where you end up regardless of where you search.

        • That’s absolutely right Aaron. The poem must take you there. Hunches and intuition don’t count and could be costly.


          • Yes, the poem must take you there. However, be wary of tossing intuitive thinking out the window. Ideas must be borne out, but many of the best ideas arise out if intuitive thought. It was part of Einstein’s process, for example.

            Fenn recently said (regarding searchers): “Some of the most intuitive…stay quiet.”

            Speaking of Skippy, he said: “He never lost his inventiveness or originality, and was the most intuitive person I ever knew.”

          • Hi Pinatubocharlie,
            Since you mention ‘costs’…if you know where ff’s heart is, and where it has always been, it is more ‘cost efficient’ to narrow your search area to that location of ff’s heart. Its much more ‘costly’ letting a vaguely worded poem map lead you traipsing all over the Rockies. Not that traipsing all over the Rockies isn’t fun…but it is costly. Dave

      • Uh, Pinatubocharlie, you just stated this in your comment “Yellowstone camp for all the reasons…, etc, etc, and where he wants to spend eternity. I get all that.” If you really got that last part about him wanting to spend eternity in the Yellowstone area how could you possibly have the poem, or TTOTC, take you to a different location? Sorry Charlie, I think you might need to do a logic check…but glad to hear that you know “and more importantly the way Mr. F created it”….by all means, go get it then if you know that. How impressive. lol Dave

        • Poor choice of words on my part Dave.

          What I was lamely attempting to say is that I understand why Yellowstone searchers think someplace in YNP is where he wants to be after passing this world. It is a special place, no discounting that at all.

          I didn’t mention it earlier, but I am of the opinion THE special place, though beautiful in its own right, natural beauty is not the driving force in him choosing this location to hide the TC. I firmly believe there’s a lot more to it than that but we really won’t know for sure until someone finds it and shares the location with the world.

          Finally, even if I’m on the right trail in the right neighborhood, I still have to find the correct “address” within that area. Am I right? Heck, I don’t know, but I’ll be finding out in a few weeks, when coincidentally, I arrive back on site within a few days of Forrest’s birthday.


      • Something in the poem has to direct you to your area of search…

        F quote- The problem searchers make is that they don’t dwell long enough on the first clue. If you can’t find the first clue you don’t have anything. People driving down the street looking for a blaze, because that’s one of the clues, but you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure.

        Makes me think if one can’t start in the middle of the poem, or maybe worse, the last 2 stanzas of the poem to find the treasure then that applies to the first clue also like we’re talking about.

        • If ff tells me its not in Idaho ATF then I do not search in Idaho.
          If ff tells me its not near the Rio Grande River ATF I do not search the Rio Grande River
          If ff tells me WWWH is not a dam, I do not try to make my WWWH a dam
          etc. etc. etc. etc

          If I get free ways to narrow the search zone I do it. It is stupid not to.

          FF “The spot where I hid the treasure was in my mind from the time I first started thinking about the chest. It is special to me and there was never another consideration. I was going to make it work no matter what. In my reverie I often find myself stealing away to that place and I will always consider it to be mine”

          FF “My heart has always been in Yellowstone”

          IMO, there is a 100% correct Yellowstone area solve….its there for the taking…the race is really on now that all sensible searchers will narrow down to the Yellowstone area. My guess is that over 75% of searchers will now focus on the Yellowstone area. For those already in Yellowstone, they have to know the competition is on its way. The Chase is really on now! This is going to be a fun ride. I just hope I am not too late to the game. Dave

          • Gotcha Dave,
            I’m in the camp 100%.
            Not in the park though.
            Good logical thinking.

          • I would take a bet that 75% of all previous searches over all previous years have been in YNP.
            It has always been the obvious choice, but is it the correct choice?

          • Meadowlark: I very much doubt it’s that high. New Mexico got hit hard and often in the early days of the Chase. Even to this day, many searchers are unwilling to consider a state other than New Mexico.

          • Hi Meadowlark, I did not think that the Yellowstone area was the obvious choice because I had some doubts about how much time he was spending there in his adulthood and whether he was still making road trips up there after he stopped flying. Those doubts are now gone. He was going there about 4 times per year up to at least 2006…and we know he drove on some, if not all, of those trips. I also wondered if he had developed new special places as an adult, especially if he had not been travelling to the Yellowstone area that frequently. Well, the 2006 interview indicated that the Yellowstone area was still #1 on his list of special places as of 2006 and he already knew the hiding spot at that time. Yes, TTOTC provided ample evidence that the Yellowstone area was the special place…but in my mind I thought those hints seemed too obvious and I thought they might have been a smokescreen…the 2006 interview erased my doubts about those being a smokescreen. I do think the searchers of that area have been missing something…possibly hoB…I have not figured out the missing piece….but I am going to try now. While the experienced searchers do seem to now be focused on the Yellowstone area, I think they will tell you it was not always that way. I doubt it ever has approached 75% but I think it will now. I cannot be the only searcher shifting my focus after that 2006 video. And some that had given up on that area will probably now return. Its going to get a bit crazy in that region now! Dave

          • He also said the treasure may not be found for 1000 years. So will it be in the obvious place?

          • He also had a gut feeling it would be found this summer. I think he wants it found. I wonder if the Buffalo Bill Museum asked ff for permission before releasing that video DVD to davio22? With what he has given to that museum, I bet they did ask him first and his approval to release it this summer is interesting. I think ff wants it found while he is still with us. As for the Yellowstone area, its still a huge area for a very small little box. Just because lots have searched unsuccessfully, that does not mean it is the wrong place. I have a feeling there is some sort of surprising twist to the solve or there is some sort of natural gatekeeper for the hidey spot…but that is what I need to figure out. Dave

          • ff says he is ambivalent whether it is found soon or not. i do believe most people are over complicating the search and are chasing their tails.

          • I agree Dave, but no twist to it.
            I will go with the obvious, but I do like the Treasure State too.

            I just keep wondering if the obvious is where my limited imagination is most comfortable.

          • from Dave: “My guess is that over 75% of searchers will now focus on the Yellowstone area”

            I find this line of thought strange. It is as if one had never seen any other material from ff. What struck me most about the 2006 interview, is how consistent it was with every other video/tape/quote ff has ever done. If a person never saw the interview. that same person seeing all the rest of the material from ff, would have exactly the same thoughts about where to search. (and more importantly, the same information) For instance an entire chapter in the book that searchers are supposed to be researching is entitled something like “In Love with Yellowstone”, yet now searchers will change their search area? like they never read the book? After a video specific to his interest in Wyoming, his interest in the museum, which any research had already known. including the fact that he is on the board, and when you are on the board of a company you make atleast one trip a year to that board meeting.

            This is of course is ignoring the fact that 50% of the books/ and materials about this “chase” are also showing ff’s Love of SantaFe.

            So an interview about Cody Wyoming’s Museum that ff is on the board for is about …. Why Wyoming… why the Museum… and now a searcher will change their mind? after 8 years of the same exact information?

            if the Denver Art Museum had done an interview with ff, ff would be talking about that, and the more than likely backdrop that he probably makes 1 trip a year to that museum.. would you then change your mind again?

            the take away here is how very, and I mean VERY consistent the story is from that interview, The fact that ff expresses his love for all things that he has love for, over and over he has stated. including the 50% of the material that we see on his stories of SantaFe.

        • Dave from KC,
          FF “The spot where I hid the treasure was in my mind from the time I first started thinking about the chest. It is special to me and there was never another consideration. I was going to make it work no matter what. In my reverie I often find myself stealing away to that place and I will always consider it to be mine”
          This statement by FF is the filter that every potential solution should be subjected. Did Forrest take his first love to that spot? Did he camp there, away from toil and trouble, as a sensitive youth? Did he take his first airplane ride from that location, catch his biggest trout, kill his first elk, spend time there with his father? What in blazes made it so special? As I recall, he also stated that the person who found the chest would probably not have the same appreciation of the location. Interesting.

          • Adrian—Bingo! IMO, the place may not be far from a place or places where he grew up or has spent a lot of time, but that is not why it is special. IMO, it is special because it REMINDS him of things that are important to him. But we won’t know what it is about that place that is special until we figure out where it is . IMO, now that I think I know (in my as yet untested solve) where it is , I will say this—you can figure it out just from the poem but it would be very hard without being able to figure out WWWH first. And that is what makes this search so hard especially for those who don’t want to consider the hints that are in the TTOC book. There are some fairly obvious hints that will give you the general area where to start. That area is near places he mentions often in the book but he deliberately, IMO, does not mention it because it would make solving the poem too easy. But if you use logic when thinking about things he did during his summers, you can figure it out by wondering why he never mentions this area, when he surely must have gone there due to something he loved doing and was expert at. And yet he never mentions this area once in all 3 books. Can it be that he deliberately avoided doing so? I am reminded of 2 things FF has said, but I need to look them up first!

      • Well CharlieM,
        The reasons are many, some are the same as many here. Some I’ve mentioned already, like one horse land and cattle CO. Here’s another…Rocky Mountain high by John Denver, read the lyrics and let me know what you think..

        • Eaglesabound,

          I think RMH is a good song, but a bit of a stretch for help reasoning its in Colorado. Don’t get me wrong, I really like CO otherwise I wouldn’t reside in CO if I didn’t like it.

          • Eaglesabound,

            The very large area around Leadville does not have WWWH as all of the lakes there have dams, that would also include water high. To my knowledge there are no warm springs either.

            Just here pulling on my earlobes trying to figure out your concept of Leadville.

          • Really Charlie?

            That is a sincere question… CO has a couple places I like but for me they seem a bit force by only guessing a location for WWH. One is Never Summer Mountain, lol simply for the name.
            The second one is Twin lakes. Many places in the RM’s have double lakes by name and/or a twin next to it… I like it because, Twin Lakes drain from one to another and down the canyon.

            If I was a ‘fenn hands clue out like candy on Halloween thinker’… the forward from the new book would have sent me running. lol Hmm maybe waters is plural for the same two bodies of water that connect by drawing water from one to another. They are also glacier made.. no dam dam.. But this theory is only a stomping of clues. I’m just not sure if that search type mode is what this is all about.

            I mean, if it was a stomping of 5 6 or 9 points… I would think fenn would want us to take a trip down memory lane with him, so to speak. CO doesn’t ring like that to me. But the one thing that caught my eye in the “town closest” was a 1865 school house.

            Naaa~ not CO… Green Acres is the place to be.

      • I have thought that before as well. The canyon down: Colorado river is in Grand Canyon

    • So Charlie,
      You asked why Colorado. …
      Not WWWH or any thing else for that matter. …

    • I don’t think it’s in CO but it would qualify the statement that people will be surprised at where it is at, if it is there.

  5. I believe the ‘warm waters’ clue refers to Yellowstone and the geysers. I’m betting everything else follows from there. I read somewhere that he spent a lot of time in Yellowstone as a youth.

    • I read that also. But beware: FF is a master of trickery.

      The above is all in my opinion. Your opinion may differ.

    • I read somewhere that he spent most of his time in Temple TX as a youth. Not sure about the source, though.

    • Do you guys and/or gals recall Dal hear fenn say to another YS is a region, WWH is more specific [ paraphrasing ]
      Ya might want to take a minute or two to look it up and check it out.

      Just saying…………….

    • Seeker — to save Ivan the trouble of a time-consuming search:

      Nine Clues part 25, posted by Dal on 12/29/2013 at 12:41am, in reply to dollarbill: “$bill-I agree.. Forrest once told a searcher who suggested that the entire YNP could be the place where warm waters halt that he was wrong… That it was a specific place and not a region… ”

      Seeker: you should consider the ways in which Ivan could still be right, and yet at the same time have Forrest’s reported statement also be truthful.

      • Regardless Zap, Thanks for putting up one of a few. I’m sure within the last few month it was posted/talked about again.

  6. My best guess is that with so many people looking and thinking about it for so long, including myself. We have to assume the clues in poem are a representation to locations but, not directly!!!

      • Actual part of the Q&A ~ “The clues did not exist when I was a kid but most of the places the clues refer to did.”

        You add “most of” to “the clue did not…” and it changes everything. Giving the impression that ‘fenn’s created clues’ where around before him. He created the clues What they represent; may have been before he was a twinkle in is Mother’s eyes.

        • Seeker,
          You are right, they didn’t become clues until he made them clues.

        • The geographical locations where they are existed (though they have not always had names). The clues may mostly refer to geographic features that now have names, but since FB said “most of” I’m guessing there is at least one area described by a clue, where something has been added since Forrest’s youth. Just IMO of course.

  7. I think it’s in Wyoming somewhere in the Wind River Range. I’m headed out next weekend.

  8. Dave,
    I like your solution (sorry, I cannot bring myself to say “solve” as it is a verb). 🙂
    Ironically, I was just in this area for the first time last week. The Holy Ghost Ranch area conjured up many links to the poem, IMO.

    The upper Pecos Valley is absolutely beautiful; and its proximaty (sic) to Santa Fe is quite intriguing.

    More research into this are is imperative! (not to mention convenient as I live in Santa Fe). 🙂


    • A lot of people, including Dal have written New Mexico off saying that it is not beautiful enough. Obviously, they haven’t been up the Pecos before saying that. My wife was one of the doubters but she has since converted. We would love to have our own little cabin on the banks of the Holy Ghost. Only problem is that we would need a treasure to be able to afford it.

      • New Mexico is one of my favorite states. I find it to be filled with beauty and I would love a vacation spot there. I have always seen beauty in the desert, as well as places with gorgeous red soil.

        So much of the chase is based on people’s own biases, assumptions, gut feelings. It’s tough to factor that out – My current solve is based upon some assumptions that will only be proven right or wrong by where the treasure is found.

        • T Hunter,
          I’ve only been to a desert a couple times… not in NM, it is quite beautiful [ especially the night sky ] . Only it’s ‘not’ [no bias involved] where the chest is. Desert I mean. NM is still a 25% possibility.

  9. Ill wager a steak dinner that if you start at West Yellowstone and draw a 60 mile radius circle and you will have the location of indulgence. IMO as always. I know it is a very large area but is a lot closer that four states. Probably within 30 miles LOL.
    All stay safe and have fun, and SOMEONE please find it this summer.

    • So, Not Obsessed – If I find it outside of that circle, you are going to owe a LOT of people a steak dinner, since you made the bet with the blog, and not just one person 🙂 One needs to be precise in this game – JDA

      • JDA, thank you for your message. Maybe one CAN find entertainment
        on these blogs. As always, IMO.

    • Your specs for that circle are too vague for my liking. But carry on. If you won’t
      relax, please at least try to stay healthy. My “gut feeling” isn’t wavering. All IMO.

    • And the winner is not obsessed with the treasures location being at a tree with a recent makeover.

    • Thank you not obsessed…I like a nice 12 oz riveted, baked potatoes and Caesar salad. Don’t worry, I’ll buy.

    • 30.57 miles, as the crow flies …maybe. You have to buy JDA a hefty dinner in mid September.

  10. I don’t want to give away too much but I think it’s hidden at the McCain Ranch near North Fork.

  11. At The Top,

    Earlier you said “Yes, the poem must take you there. However, be wary of tossing intuitive thinking out the window. Ideas must be borne out, but many of the best ideas arise out if intuitive thought.”

    This will sound like I’m speaking out both sides of my mouth, but I couldn’t agree more. You see, back towards the end of 2017 I ran across something that really caught my eye and my immediate thought (my intuition of what’s important to Forrest) was it has to here! I spent the next 4 months studying the poem and then one day in April I found my answer, right there in the poem, but I didn’t stop there. I also took steps to confirm my answer and eliminate confirmation bias.

    So you see, going with a hunch is ok in my book, but you have to back it up with the poem and some sort of other proof that due diligence was exercised before going out to search.

    Hope that makes sense.

    Pinatubocharlie .

  12. Hey all- I’m as intrigued as anyone by the chase-well maybe not as obsessed as some. I have been thinking about things for a whole week now with quite a bit of time spent reading and researching. I believe FF said that the person who solves his poem will have done it by thinking carefully, understanding at least the first 2 clues for a starting location, and then necessarily having BOTG to get further with the clues-they will make sense from there. So that is where I try to keep my frame of reference. It is easy to fly off and search historical docs, maps, and other things, but according to FF that won’t help you. Feel free to correct me. In that vein I will proffer a couple of thoughts outside the box that I haven’t seen mentioned yet (maybe they have been but I just have not seen them). It will hopefully stimulate further trains of thought in all you searchers-it would be cool if anyone found it.

    Thought 1: Alone in there must be related to either his trips alone into YNP, the hot springs he used to ride his bike to from West Yellowstone, OR how about a trip alone in his plane to a fly-in only airport/campground?? Would be pretty hard to find the treasure from a location like that. Not much chance of being accidentally discovered either. Only flaw is that he said searchers have been within 2-500 feet? Anyway just a thought…

    2: With my treasures bold? He said he used to Nude dip (alone) in the hot springs in YNP.

    3: I can keep my secret where? I have not seen any good interpretations of this line. Here’s the best I could come up with. Keep can mean hold your location (usually while balancing) So maybe the TC is on top of something? (Sally kept her saddle while flailing her arms wildly)

    4: Not far but too far to walk? I have seen the various interpretations. Here is one that I find attractive. He said he used to ride his bike into YNP to the hot springs to nude dip. It was 20 miles, plus one mile down a dirt road-21 miles. It was not far-but too far to walk-he had to use his bike…

    5: HoB Brown skinned indians? Just a random thought as he was immersed in indian lore and antiquities

    6: No paddle up your creek? Lava creek, dry creek, a shallow creek, and of course up $hit creek without a paddle…

    7: The end is ever drawing nigh? I can’t help but retain the image at 2:54 of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ4Dv_OYQX8

    8: Heavy loads and waters high? It kills me that there is a road in YNP named Fountain Freight road-built in 1910. I have to believe that waters high is referring to geysers. but who knows?

    9: Wise? Sage creek? Owl mountain? Etc. Nothing new here-move along

    10: Worth the cold and in the wood? Really strong pull for solutions like Wood creek and wood river…

    11: He idolized and dreamed about Captain Kidd and his buried treasure when he was a kid. Kidd’s treasure was buried on GARDINER ISLAND. Too much of a coincidence? TC is on an island on the Wood river/creek?

    12: I find it hard to believe that the TC is in YNP- too many legal issues for the finder, but somewhere north and west not too far from there seems VERY likely. Especially given the fact that FF said “parties” have been close.

    Some of you might find some of these things old news, others will find new trains of thought in some of them. If any of you would like to discuss/develop anything from this privately, you can reach me at (my handle)9 at gmail. I think I am headed to Thermopolis/Wind River Canyon/West Yellowstone/The Tetons/Sinks Canyon in a few days to have fun. experience the beauty, and maybe do a little searching! Happy hunting. DW

  13. I’ve found clues that have helped validate a general location.
    Can anybody help me determine a method of narrowing a location down any further using multiple “hints?” found around a location?

  14. 45.337788,-110.068543
    Follow canyon down.
    Draw to left.
    My blaze.

    Put in terrain mode also to see girl by window.
    This place is no place for the meek.

    Horse shoes, hat outlined by the road, aspens.

    Exacting coordinates can be found inside the ttotc front cover, photos, stamps and ID card. IMO. Just missing some element. Just got home empty handed :(. Lol

  15. Dave, Let’s not over sell Yellowstone too much. I prefer the rest to continue searching their areas 😉

    As a side note, National Geographic is doing a Yellowstone live series, that started last night. I watched some and found it entertaining.

    • Hi Aaron, I guess that would explain why it is ‘crickets’ in here from so many that know the importance of the 2006 video. I do understand. I guess I am speaking up because I just want it found by someone soon. But now that I am actually considering another BOTG I probably should pipe down. Good luck in your search. Act quickly and tarry scant. Dave

      • hey Dave…sometimes it becomes difficult to bring up a topic because so many have been discussed and rehashed to pieces. I believe there is no rush…the marathon has only just begun.

        • “…the marathon has only just begun.”

          True words, my friend…. A ‘BTF’ (before the fact) video doesn’t do much in the greater scheme of things, especially in light of everything he has said ATF.

          • holy cripes! Now we have BTF’s to categorize into a solve…yippee! Yes sir…I believe that video is a good glimpse at Fenn, but is basically a yawner in terms of relevance to the Chase.

          • Oh no – BTF’s… there is a lot of material that I will need to go through and pull “possibly useful” information from to include in my ‘Chasing’ documents… or not!

            I must say that my favorite part in that 2006 interview was when the interviewer asked f:

            “Now, you are about 76 years old, aren’t you? And you are not in the gallery business anymore. What are the exciting things you are going to do with the rest of your life? When you wake up at 7 o’clock in the morning, when you lay there for an hour.”

            The look on f’s face before he answers the question… I had to replay it multiple times to imagine what his thoughts were that resulted in that look on his face. And I am pretty confident in what those thoughts were… more so than I am confident in knowing where the chest is hidden… 🙂

        • Hey Ken, we’ll see. I tend to think we are at about mile 24 right now. I think the 2006 video was important and not really a rehash. I think it might just spark a blaze. Dave

          • Sounds great Dave! Folks have been sprinting to the *finish line* for 8 years…and well…you know how that has turned out. The squawk-a-doodle-doo dance has been initiated early this year due to Fenn’s *stomach ailment* and will likely linger into Fall…but who knows…someone may be just biding their time? Safe travels to you Dave.

        • Thanks Aaron, if I did I definitely would. Will definitely be trying to come up with something worthy of a trip. Dave

    • I do like GNP, but not for a location the chest is in. There was a spot I was interested in there but it ended up being below 5,000 feet. We hiked up to a spectacular view at the top of Grinnell Glacier. The ice melts at the top and waterfalls fill the lake below, which feeds 2 other lakes. Seems like a WWWH could be involved. Though the melt off is not close to warm it is warm in comparison. Looking at the view of these teal colored lakes makes you feel comfortable too.

  16. Here is my solution. I doubt I’ll find the time for BOTG in the near term, what with three little kids at home, but hopefully this of use to one of my fellow Fenn fans. And if by amazing luck it turns out to be here, then feel free to buy me a beer at some point. 🙂

    WWWH: Lava Cliff Overlook in Colorado… it halts cars/people for viewing. The Iceberg Lakes are right there as well, where they form each year by collecting snow melt.

    Brown: About 6 miles down the road (which runs along Forest Canyon) is Sundance Mountain. H.A. Brown was one alias of… The Sundance Kid.

    Meek: Below Sundance Mountain is Hanging Valley.

    End: Directly adjacent to this valley is the Endovalley Picnic Area.

    No paddle up your creek: Head up Sundance Creek from there by foot, as it could not be done via boat/paddle. There is an old fisherman’s path for a bit, then no trail.

    Heavy Load: All this time, you’ve been in Horseshoe Park. Alternatively, there are large rocks/logs littering the creek.

    Water High: as you head up the creek, you will first reach Thousand Falls. Googling “thousand falls” + “protrails” and going to the first link will give you a good sense of things.

    Two options from here…

    Wise/Blaze: there is an interesting feature farther up the creek, here: 40°24’08.1″N 105°40’44.2″W. Perhaps it’s my confirmation bias at work, but it looks like a small island in the creek with a white Y (Wise = Y). And it just so happens to be at exactly 10,200′.


    Wise/Blaze: Sundance Creek does “Y” (Wise = Y) with another unnamed creek just beyond the point I noted above, and so perhaps the Blaze is at/near this intersection. It appears this is at 10,400′ though.

  17. Here’s my solution… won’t have time for BOTG in the near term, what with three little kids at home, but hopefully this of use to someone else!

    WWWH: Lava Cliff Overlook in Colorado… it halts cars/people for viewing. The Iceberg Lakes are right there too, which fill with snow melt each year.

    HOB: Sundance Mountain is down road from there, about 6 miles. H.A. Brown”was one alias of… The Sundance Kid.

    Meek: Below Sundance Mountain is Hanging Valley.

    End: Adjacent to the valley is the Endovalley Picnic Area.

    Creek: Head up Sundance Creek by foot, as it is no navigable by boat/paddle.

    Heavy load: All this time you have been in Horseshoe Park. Alternatively, the creek is filled with large logs and rocks.

    Water high: Up the creek a bit is Thousand Falls.

    Wise/Blaze: Farther up there is an island in the creek, in a clearing, with what appears to be a white Y of rock (wise = Y): 40°24’08.1″N 105°40’44.2″W. It is exactly at 10,200′. A bit farther up the creek it splits (Y’s) into another unamed creek, so that would be another nearby spot to check.

  18. Knowing there are a couple good clues in TTOTC, I re-read the book many times, each time with a different state in mind. I originally had a solve in Colorado, but if you think “Colorado” the whole time you read the book, so that your mind is looking for ANY inkling of a hint related to Colorado, you will find nothing. Therefore, I do not believe it is in Colorado. Am I missing something? Just NOTHING in the book that would point me there. I believe it is in Montana. I have 2 specific areas emanating from a single WWWH, and then another secondary WWWH which I have not searched yet. I am of the thinking that finding the blaze will require some sort of “trick”, I do not believe you will simply show up and search aimlessly for a blaze. I think it’s possible, that you will know exactly what the blaze is by solving the previous clues, and go right to it. I spent several days out there and it’s just futile blindly looking for the blaze.

  19. I think the chest is here: right where Mr. Fenn left it.

    Really, not being a wiseacre. I have the Youtube replay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfk1z3Fn-PQ) going in the background and from what I’ve been reading here on HoD lately, it is my humble opinion that Indulgence is safe for at least another winter. (No disrespect to folks planning on BOTG later this fall.)

    As I have shared in other places here on HoD, it still is my opinion that until the whole poem is solved before heading out, the chances of Indulgence being found are next to nil. Until there is some new radical way of looking at the poem, we’re all better off staying home and playing Canasta.

    • I concur at least to the point that I think you can get within one or two clues before BOTG, and those final clues are likely in close proximity to each other.

      It seems possible to me that some searcher could still find Indulgence before the end of the year, but I feel comfortable with my decision to keep honing my solves at home through the winter and see what springtime brings. (Besides, there are factors at home that make a trip as far as Montana (my search state) … well … complicated. Colorado would be so much more convenient for me, but I’m just not convinced it is here. 🙂

  20. FORREST FENN says: 4:55 PM ON SEPTEMBER 12, 2012
    “In those days tents were too heavy to carry into the lake so we always slept under the stars. The fun was hooking a big rainbow and watching him jump into the air, sometimes three feet or more. We fished with barbless hooks and the fish could usually dislodge it if we slackened our lines. We didn’t care because we always released the fish we caught in Grebe Lake. After the Concy trip I never went back. For some reason it just wasn’t the same anymore.”

    I never went back.
    For some reason it just wasn’t the same anymore.
    I guess this would exclude Grebe all together.

    • Perhaps. I always wonder when I read quotes like this, though. That is, is “the Concy trip” the one he had just mentioned? Or a subsequent trip after that one? Maybe a trip where he took a memento of Concy, or with the intent of memorializing Concy in some way? (I do stuff like that; maybe I’m the only one, though.)

      Mr. Fenn is very tricky, I believe.

      • True. “The Concy trip” could logically have been a later trip related to Concy in light of the way his grammar is constructed. But my feeling is that he was still speaking about the same trip. In my notebook, Grebe Lake is off the list of possible hiding sites.

        It doesn’t fit any of my current solves anyway.

      • Agree with Ray: I don’t think Forrest ever went back to Grebe Lake after THAT specific trip with Coach Concy. That’s my reading of the “body language” of how Forrest writes. But full disclosure: I don’t think the treasure is in YNP, so I’m a bit predisposed to dismiss Park locations.

  21. google.com/maps?q=43.9060531%C2%B0,+-110.5557629%C2%B0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYjLj274bdAhXE5YMKHcLMAgMQ_AUIESgB

  22. Saltpeter Mountain
    Wwwh page 79 TTOTC, written in waves, in a warm brown color, with the word halt, just above it…the word saltpeter. Used in the 1600’s by the Regency to chill wine. added to water in wood casks, would drop the temperature 30 degrees. Temporary, lasting around two hours. Halt.
    You test for saltpeter using a brown ring test. HOB
    Symbol for saltpeter is KNO, the answer I already know.
    Used to make fireworks, gunpowder and highly flammable, aka blaze.
    Brave, war hymn from page 70, in the wood, cask for chilling.
    Alas, it was not there. There was a canyon, a creek, old railroad tracks.
    But I loved this solve.

  23. If you were standing where treasure chest is….it would look like “Almost heaven”…quoting John Denver’s “Country Roads”; Views to die for…

  24. Food for thought possibilities:

    Stanza 1 hint:

    Gone = GON
    Treasures = gold = ORE
    And = + = ORE + GON

    Stanza 2:

    Begin IT where warm waters halt

    Begin OREGON TRAIL at a point where warm, or W arm, waters stop/interrupt/begin/etc. Ideally this point would be right next to the trail itself and above a place that can be described as the home of Brown.

    Take OREGON TRAIL down canyon from this point, but not physically because this point is literally too far to walk for the searcher as the trail into this location comes in from the east, while these points are in the canyon to the west. For this idea, take it in = observe this nexus of points from afar.

    Stanza 1 solution:

    Nexus of 3 points = OREGON TRAIL, water source that halts, home of Brown with all being in the canyon below the searcher who remains up higher and to the east.

    Too far to might = 242

    242 could be the bearing line needed to observe these points from position of the chest.

    But 270 ( W here), or315 (Do = due WN), are also possible

    Solution methodology ideas only. Exact location for application open to your research if you like the concepts.

    Happy holidays to all.

  25. I’m seeking some validation here please. The box is bronze, correct?
    If the box is located via google earth, does it reflect a starburst type reflection with a tiny portion of rainbow colors?
    Does anyone know?
    Thanks in advance!

    • The chest is bronze.
      I don’t think the chest can be located via GE and probably won’t reflect any starburst type reflection because bronze will have a patina and is not reflective so no rainbow either.

      Fenn has stated that GE doesn’t go (zoom) down far enough or something like that. Moby video I think…

      • Amy,

        As Jake said: here are Forrest own words regarding the use of Google Earth and the actual Treasure Chest’s hiding spot:

        He made the google earth comments in the Jenny Kile’s Feb. 2018 and 2019 Six Questions.

        “Rocking chair ideas can lead one to the first few clues, but a physical presence is needed to complete the solve. Google Earth cannot help with the last clue.”

        “I have zoomed into the hiding place several times but I wasn’t looking for the treasure. It cannot be seen on Google Earth.”


    • Yes. That has crossed my mind. There is a SB where Forrest has his toes sticking out of a sock. “Man’s foot”. Look quickly down makes sense.

  26. Hello all, I think I may be on to something. Seeing how The Rockies are over 1800 miles away from me, I figured Id share it on here.

    The first clue is just “begin it”. If you look up the word begin in a thesaurus another word for begin is Mount. Same thing for the word “it”, another word for it is Odyl. There is an Odell Mountain in Montana. So when the poem refers to “warm waters” its not reffering to temperature, its reffering to distance. As in close to Odell Mountain. If you look just to the east, there is Odell Lake. So I believe thats where warm waters.

    The next clue is take it in, like taking in a view or scenery. From Odell Lake, take Odell Creek just south east to Seymore (see more) Mountain.

    Not far, but too far to walk I believe means exactly that. It is roughly 45 miles north east to “Walkerville”.

    Next clue is “put in”. Look up the phrase put in and found the word stake. If you go south east from Walkerville, you’ll run into Homestake Lodge. Lodge can also mean put in.

    If you look below Homestake Lodge you will see Whiskey Gulch. I believe this to be “the home of Brown”.

    I havent really solved no place for the meek, but it got me close enough i think to find the last location. Its worth noting that there are a few locations near whiskey gulch that have “place” in their name.

    I believe the last line of clues is “the end is ever drawing nigh”. I think it is actually 3 clues. The end is (Ennis, Montana), ever i think refers to Moore Creek (evermore) which runs right through the little town of Ennis. If you follow that creek just on the outskirts of town is a small business called “Signs West” which is drawing nigh. Nigh can also mean left or west. I think the chest is somewhere on that property. I also think thats what the semicolon is about. Its a clue to tell you this is where it ends. Ok my fingers hurt now. Sorry for rambling on, but i wanted to be specific. Im interested to read your comments on this.

    • Hi craig8311,
      I think you’re stretching it too far than intended by Fenn. “Begin it” should be interpreted as written, like “begin your search at here where warm waters halt.” IMO the word “halt” should be given more focus than “warm waters” since it is a lot more important to nail down the starting location for the search. You should think why Fenn used that word even though it would not rhyme with “walk”.
      — MK

    • Craig8311, I think your exercise in word-sounds has validity, even if it is not the factual treasure path. If Forrest was a poor student, maybe a bit deaf or had ADD or mild-dyslexia, it is very likely he created his own mnemonics or sound-alike names for places he was familiar with. We all do things like that… everyone knows Micky-D means McDonalds, and out here in LA-LA Land (Los Angels) a local grocery chain, Smart & Final, is known as Fart-n-Smile. But I just don’t think the adult Forrest would lay down a multi-million dollar treasure using those kind of clues. But if he did use that technique, I think he might wisely use that trick only once, not continuously from clue to clue. IMO.

      Here’s a theory I have … FF gave us a big hint on page 147. Why did he relate the small details of his parents grave locations? It was unnecessary to the message that the deceased and their memorial stones are soon forgotten. He told us….

      Hillcrest ……….. a name and a description
      row 4 …………… B-row-N 4
      block 23 ………. Halt 23
      Look on Google and see also:
      Section 5-W ….. W is the 23rd letter.

      Plus there is that little visual I call ‘Epitaph Hill’, and ‘attributed’ does anagram to a ‘dirt butte”.

      What do you think?

      • I think if it’s THAT complicated i’ll never find it. Lol

        What made me come up with this solve was a few things he’s said in interviews. Someone asked him how he came up with the clues, and he said he looked up the meanings of words, and talked about how we use words erronously. And he has always put emphasis on the first clue. Odyl is not that common of a word, I didnt know it was a word until I looked up “it” in a thesaurus. Remember one of his favorite quotes is “imagination is better than knowlege.” 🙂

        • Craig, I appreciate your commitment to your theory. We have different ideas of ‘complicated’. Good luck to you.

        • Craig8311
          “What made me come up with this solve was a few things he’s said in interviews.”
          Do you remember which interview this came from and how the word “odyl”was used?

          • Not sure on odyl but I did find idly by:

            Anyway, I’ve never been willing to stand idly by and be part
            of a forgotten history when I may be able to impact future events.
            My part will be very small in the big picture but huge to me. “Safe
            upon the solid rock the ugly houses stand: Come and see my shining
            palace built upon the sand!”

    • Thanks for sharing your ideas, Craig. I enjoy all of the wordplay!

      But how are you getting the word “odyl” as a synonym for “it”? I looked up the word “odyl” and it is listed as an archaic synonym for the word “od”, which is defined as: “a hypothetical power once thought to pervade nature and account for various phenomena, such as magnetism.” I checked a few other online dictionaries and thesauruses to make sure, but came up empty.

      • You are so very correct VOXPOPS. In the last few years and in the last few months especially, I find that there are those who are smiling and carry a dagger behind them.

        Never partner with anyone, not even with your own loved ones. It is sad but true. There are those that will try to manipulate you in being a search partner with sweet talk.

        I am truly done with everyone now and I no longer respond to their emails.

        My list is long.

    • The treasure chest is MOST DEFINITELY somewhere on this planet!…………………Peradventure.

      • Pauley T- the entire panet was a treasure chest…until humans got here and started messing with it.


        • Bob, ya…..but….. we got cars that get like 42mpg now, that’s combined city/hgwy, Humans are doin pretty good if you ask me!

    • Ms. Amy (Dearly beloved):

      There are not any direct clues, only indirect ones. All clues require research, knowledge, and inspiration (with a touch of divine guidance) . IMO 99.5% of searchers make the same mistake of taking the words of the poem literally, and try to find some place on a map which they think fits the poem. (i.e. To give someone a warm reception; doesn’t mean you should turn up the heat in your house). If it was that easy, the strong box would have been easily found. To paraphrase Mr. F ” the one that finds the chest will have worked for it “.

      Hope that helps;

      If you see my Deputy; tell her to bring me a cup of coffee and a donut.


      • “To give someone a warm reception; doesn’t mean you should turn up the heat in your house”
        ——————————————-“That’s funny, Sherif Billy, in the context of “where warm waters halt”.

        … a lighthearted response to the billions and billions of searchers that think “warm waters” is a temperature clue.

        Ken (in Texas) 🙂

      • Sherif, I mostly agree with your first two sentences, and certainly the last (paraphrasing f). But Forrest has said all the information needed to find the treasure is in the poem. How else are we to find our way if not for picking literal places or movements attributed to the words he provided? How then do you intend to utilize the research, knowledge, and divine inspiration?

        ps. turning up the heat for a “warm reception” is something said in jest; which would likely come from a jester, or a card, or a….joker. Personally, I am made comfortable by believing that Forrest is ‘all in’ for a little fun!

      • Hi Sherif Billy
        Yes I would like a cup of (coffee)and (donut) please
        Thank you Clint
        PS Who is in the line up this spring with Dizzy Dean.
        I know i will be there, i hope Mrs Somers is done bathing by then,doin’t want to walk in on her.I think
        that will just about cover the END . But there is more!!

    • Amy;

      Since none of us has found the treasure, any clues that anyone (Including me) gives you is just a guess. All any of us know is what Forrest has told us, and that is – Clue #1 is at “Begin it…” Sorry, not much help. We ALL MUST
      “Begin it…” by deciding what “wwwh” means, and go from there.

      Best of luck – Stay warm, and TRY and STAY SAFE – JDA

    • That’s some out of the box thinking if the poem were to be a key to a bitcoin address. FF did say he was more of a hacker before he was a writer.

      • Okay. An April Fool’s Day joke a day early. I always fall for those darn things. 🙂

        • Pdenver –
          Speaking of finding it, I recall that post about taking a sandwich and a flashlight. Then I saw one of the searcher sure is named badger. Maybe you won’t get to eat that sandwich after all, but it might come in handy.

          • Hello RoadRunner. Thank you for the advice, but my family and I bring protein snacks and water during our searchers, as well as, an emergency kit in our backpacks. Are the other items truly needed? I believe others have packed them. Have you?

  27. Has anyone ever checked Name Creek (give you title) in Wyoming? It’s in the eastern side of Shoshone National Forest. It looks like the only way to access it is by taking Wood River (brave and in the wood). It is also at the base of Standard Peak,(to the gold) maybe refering to the gold standard. It is in a very remote area though, not sure if an 80 year old man could get there. Let me know what you all think.

  28. Good luck with the 15 mile radius … that’s approx. 700 square miles! 🙂

    • well , when you look at it that way it is kind of huge lol . but maybe more east of there

  29. I think the blaze is the alchemical symbol for a covered pot (https://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/pnm/img/28400.jpg) carved into a large sandstone boulder. Maybe a pot of gold at the end of Fenn’s rainbow. A small section of the center of the symbol will lift off and reveal the chest in the heart of the boulder.

    Below is my best effort at a solve; I have visited several times and have determined I cannot find a way to gain the access needed to reach the location…maybe if I had more time on site for returned calls, but I am done trying. I like how simple this is, using nothing but the poem and Google Maps, I was able to go right straight to a very specific location…At least now I can see how that may be possible, something I was beginning to doubt a few years ago. I was tightly focused on the word ‘IT’ (see definition below) and only moved ‘IT’ when directed by the poem and in the direction given by the poem. I also noticed that many of the clues in the poem seem to suggest opposites, like begin and halt, not far but too far, etc… So instead of trying decipher a meaning, I tried to find locations that were both; beginning and halting, far and too far, etc…

    I believe this blaze will be located near a point where the beginning of the waters halt (The sink of the Popo Agie – see Shoshoni definition below). To locate that blaze, I would take that point and move it down toward the mouth of a canyon with a name similar to ‘Down’ (Sinks Canyon). I won’t be going far, but it will be impossible to walk there (The river flows through an underground canyon that is impossible for anything but water to get through). I would then put that point in the canyon below a large Brown trout pool (at the rise of the Popo Agie). From there, I will move toward a place with a name similar to meek, but it is definitely no place for the meek (Sheep Creek). I will use the shortest path possible, a straight-line due north, to find the final location. This point will not be in a creek, but directly above the draw created by that creek near the edge. Unfortunately, in order to reach this destination, I cannot travel to it directly up the creek, this will be too difficult, instead, I will need to find a way to reach this point from above. It will definitely be worth the extra effort to travel away from the point in order to reach it from above.

    A few key definitions – from Merriam Webster:

    up the creek: in a difficult or perplexing situation
    above water: out of difficulty
    Loads: a burdensome or laborious responsibility
    warm: newly made : fresh
    warm: near to a goal, object, or solution sought
    Cold: far off the mark : not close to finding or solving
    It: a crucial or climactic point
    Nigh: direct, short
    Draw: to cause to go in a certain direction
    Draw: a gully shallower than a ravine
    Quick: the very center of something
    Wet: overly sentimental (“…I know the treasure is wet” -f)

    From a Shoshoni dictionary:

    Popo Agie: Beginning of the waters. (also a lot an Aggie marble that Fenn liked from a river bottom)

    Toyapainkwi: Brown Mountain trout (Spanish TOY factory chapter begins with brown and a fish)

    ontom-puih-tatawyn-tyn: A round brown stain. (I can’t say this word, but if I try the ending, it sounds like ‘put it in’ to me…brown stain from iron railing.)

    Side note: After Fenn washed dishes in the sink, he got giant white canyons in his hands.

    A point that seems to meet all of these requirements is located at: 42°45’51.5″N 108°48’19.9″W (zoom in close with Satellite view on Google maps). By the way, I placed my point exactly here(within several steps) before seeing this; I found this using only the method described above, that’s why I zoomed in closer.

    I attempted to reach this point unsuccessfully. I found two possible access points that I believe an 80-year-old man could go, both with private access roads. What I believe to be the easier of the two is located just below the sixth switchback on Lander Mountain Rd. The gate to access this road has a sign which reads Homestead Park. In an effort to gain access, I googled Homestead park Lander, WY and was directed to a real estate agent with a web address of ‘dawntheblaze’; her name was not Dawn or Blaze interestingly enough. Maybe this is how Fenn will know if someone retrieves the treasure?

    I don’t know if there is anything there or not, but I do know I will not be able to get there so I do not see a reason to whisper about any of this any longer. I wrote this generically because I think it would be possible to follow this method by just plugging in a new WWWsH, maybe?

    • Just a side note for the BOTG discussion. Forrest never stated the ‘little girl from India’ could not solve the clues, he stated “…the little girl in India cannot get closer than the first two clues.” Cannot get closer does not mean cannot solve, especially when you consider the first two clues may be simply finding a point on the map, the rest may direct you to go somewhere from those locations. So even if she has the correct answer to all of the clues, she cannot physically get any closer than locations on a map.

  30. Hey guys, I’m 99.9% sure I’ve figured the poem out. I was on the verge of sleep, thinking about the poem; and it hit me like a bolt of lightning. In the first stanza he says, “hints of riches new and old.” Well, the “riches of old” are his memories. I mean, I had gone over maps of the Rockies for months, and could never string more than a few clues together at once. But there is another realization you have to come to once you understand that riches old are his memories. That’s what he means by TTOTC book being a clue. The whole book is a clue because it’s a book of his memories. So, this I just stumbled upon while looking at maps. There is only one clue that will lead you to the chest, and it is the very last line in the poem, “I give you title to the gold. If you look at a map of West Yellowstone there’s a place called “Treasure Island.” I believe that is where the chest is located. In the last line “title” means book title. He’s referring to Treasure Island by Robert Louis Steveson. Once you understand those two things you realize he’s given away a lot of other clues. For instance, when he told us the first clue was WWWH, he said, If you dont understand the first clue then all you have is the memory of a nice vacation. He’s talking about his own memories; not the searchers’. I can also remember him saying in an interview that when searchers ask him for help he said, 10 percent of me wants to help them, because you only need to get the one clue to find the treasure. It’s pretty funny, we’ve been looking for Forrest’s memories for 8 years now. If anyone should read this and decides to go for it, please take the proper precautions and be well prepared before you go. It’s out in the kind of deep wilderness. And take pictures of the chest location when you find it so we can all see. Goodluck.

    • I don’t think pictures of “the chest location” will be very impressive, but if the chest is photographed, it should provide more evidence (compared to a hole, hollow log, or the like) of a find. Google earth shows some pretty impressive details about the search area. Stuff that’s been teased about for years. All IMO.

      • Yeah, Andrew. A picture of the chest in it’s environment. It’s such a simple idea though so someone may have already thought of it and went out and got it. That’s why I dont drive the 1800 miles to check for myself. Lol

    • Craig, are you looking at the Treasure Island that’s in the middle of the Bechler River? It seems like it’s a long walk from anywhere that one could park a vehicle, and floating down the river from either direction seems blocked by waterfalls. Is there another place you’re talking about that I’m missing?

      • Yeah that’s the one, Blex. I think he could make it in there 8 years ago. He’s in pretty good shape for an elderly person. He does all that excavation work at San Lazaro. Another thing he said that I just thought of when asked what the unintentional clue on TFTW he pointed out on the cover that was the exact spot where he used to bathe in the river. (relating a memory)Then he points out the green border turning the brown portion into an island of sorts. I think that’s why he said the little girl from India could only get as far as the second clue. You only have to understand 2 things to know where the chest is.

        • Ooof! I don’t know, Craig…. To me it looks like his closest points of access would be hiking in overland due west from Fish Creek Road or due north from Ashton-Flagg Ranch Road and that looks about 6 miles one way. I know I couldn’t do that twice in an afternoon at half his age!

          Have you married up other parts of the poem to this area? What’s your hoB or WWWH in this solve?

          • Those are his memories he’s sharing with you. Only the last line will tell you where to search. Go get it for us blex. Lol

          • For the longest time I thought Hob was browns basin in shoshoni forest. And WWWH is sweetwater gap guard station right outside of shoshoni, but im pretty sure those are his memories so wont help you find the chest. I dont think Im explaining it very well. In the first stanza he says, treasures bold, which could be taken as 2 seperate treasures. The old treasure is his memories he’s sharing with you. The new treasure is the chest and it only has 1 clue. The last line.

          • Blex, dont forget that he’s a pilot and quite wealthy. He could have been lying about using a car to throw everyone off. He could have flown a small helicopter in there.

          • Hi Craig8311: as soon as you allow for the possibility that Forrest lies about anything Chase-related, then you might as well throw in the towel.

        • Craig – Could you please provide the source and date for the information you gave about Forrest’s unintended clue being the cover of TFTW with those details? That would greatly help me with my solve.

          Thank you!

          • Lisa, another interesting thing I noticed is that Iris Falls is there. Iris was the ancient godess of rainbows. So I would look there probably.

          • Dal (who actually took that cover photo) remembers it differently than ff tells it in that Bookstore video:

            *** *** *** ***
            Dal on August 20, 2016 at 1:30 pm said:

            “Forrest needed a cover pic. He knew I was out in Yellowstone searching. He sent me a photo similar to the one I ended up taking. He said he couldn’t use that one and asked me to take one like it. He wanted it to look like a good fishing spot.

            FYI- Forrest tells the story quite different than I remember it. He relates the story of that cover in the Moby Dickens Bookstore Interview…

            You can look at that and compare our two stories…

            The photo he sent had the shadow on it.
            I was perplexed at how I could possibly get a shadow that looked like Forrest’s in my pic…
            So I got a walking stick and a cowboy hat and went all over the park looking for the right time and angle and fly fishing stream…

            The light had to be such that I would get a shadow across the river. The river had to have a gravelly bottom. There had to be wildflowers on the bank…
            I had a helluva time getting things to match up and then get the shot without the camera in the photo…
            End of day I sent his art director the shots that I thought might work..

            I got a note back right away that said I didn’t have to worry about the shadow. That would be added after. All they needed from me was the stream side…(head smack)

            So the next morning I went out again..The light still had to be from the correct direction…still needed a good looking stream but I did not have to worry about the shadow…much easier!!!

            I spent most of that day shooting on the Firehole and the Madison. That particular shot is on the Madison but I was the only one that knew it at the time. Forrest’s art director choose that shot based on the wildflowers on the bank and it had the right angle and lighting for her cover plan. That was it..

            As I mentioned, Forrest’s story was a bit different…and I can’t explain why…but he did not send me to a particular spot…of that I am certain..

            Is this a small peek into how he extrudes the facts in his storytelling??

            I personally think he told the story the way he did to get me in trouble with the searchers…a practical joke..

            He knew folks would think I had been given some instructions about where exactly that photo should be taken and that it would be the place Too Far To Walk…and one of the clues in the poem…

            He was just giving me some grief…as friends often do…” – Dal
            *** *** *** ***

            (It’s here on HoD, but I don’t have the link in my notes, just the date)

          • Craig and JA Kraven and Dal – Thank you all for that detailed info.! So helpful!!!

            I have drawn my own conclusions about why Forrest said what he did, during that great interview. I would love to know the exact location of his put in on the Madison River, though. I think it might be at one end of the Long Riffle, a nursery stretch along the old Riverside Drive, or at a small comet-shaped turnout just downstream. Craig Matthews said Barns Hole #1 is eight river miles upstream on the Madison River from Baker’s Hole Campground.

            And I think the cover of TFTW turned out perfectly, Dal! After all that hard work you did! Wow.

    • Hi Craig8311;

      Well, it is an interesting solve. I just wish that it were that simple. Forrest says that he wrote a poem with nine clues, if one follows them consecutively, they will lead them to the end of his rainbow and the treasure (Not an exact quote – but close) so I have trouble believing that if you decode one line (riches new and old) as memories and one word in the last line – Title, that that alone will give you the treasure that has been searched for for almost ten years. You MAY be right, but I have my doubts. Good luck – you COULD be right – JMO – JDA

    • The best part of your solve is that you’re not willing to waste your time/$ to go check it out.

      Thanks for sharing it though – it’s new at least.

  31. After someone gets it, I hope he writes a book telling the memories of the 8 clues. He could call it “Treasures Old”

  32. I’m pretty confident about this one. Too many things coincide with the theory. I hope someone that lives closer can go out and check.

  33. Well, the way he worded the poem JDA, he’s not lying because in the poem he refers to them as treasures. He just didnt say they were only treasures to him. It’s really clever. Kind of hiding simplicity amongst difficulty.

    • I agree on that part 100%. I have thought that for a LONG time. I just think that one has to solve a lot more of the puzzle – that is all – 🙂 JDA

  34. Yeah, you could be right JDA. Maybe once you go to that spot there are other things to do, but it’s not a very big area. It’s two little islands in the middle of a river. You may be able to just wade across the river. I’m not familiar with the area so I dont know how deep it is. I would search that area thuroughly and if nothing then maybe try something different. But Im pretty sure it’s there. It might be well hidden. I’m pretty sure he said the treasure is wet. So maybe around the edges of the island close to the river.

    • you may want to do a cursory look at hydrology. islands in rivers are temporary, banks of rivers are so temporary that they change every 5 or so years. Even where rivers meet, that spot is incredibly temporary.

      Any solve that has the chest on the “bank” of a river, mouth of a river or worse, a temporary island is a seriously flawed solve. That river will be in a different place in as little as 50 years, and any “island” will no longer exist.

      (well actually if you wait long enough, a river will move to the chest eventually even if the chest were near the top of a mountain… so one would have that going for them)

  35. IMHO I have solved the blaze down to a proximity (several times) but getting it down to a close proximity, then to a very close proximity is a bigger task than I thought it would be. You can only jerk your head down quickly so many times.

  36. “…something I am missing…” Yes, IMHO. Looking “quickly down” from the actual blaze of the poem. If you are indeed that far, you will not miss the trove. Then comes the ethical dilemma, if you -choose to see- one.

      • Can not fault you for asking. Anymore info would deprive you of the thrill of the chase. Plus, likely deprive me of the thrill of the find, IMHO.

        The types of property ownership has been a discussion from the beginning of this contest. That becomes real and personal when you stand beside the trove and weigh consequences.

        • I don’t see any dilemma as far as ownership goes.

          I really don’t see how you could deprive me of the thrill either unless you believe you are the lead searcher .

        • Just out of curiosity did you email Forrest your solve and if so, did he respond?

    • Have you ever tried riding a bicycle backwards? If you have and were successful, you might try looking quickly up.

  37. For this solve “IT” is the Green River

    Flaming Gorge(wwwh)
    Border of Utah and Colorado(rafting across the border-(nfbtftw)
    Browns park(hoB)
    Gates of Lodore (cataract)-the key is “from there”There is where the eye went in alone(cataract)Rapids in this area. (npftm)
    Jack Springs Draw (jack shit-shit creek-no paddle up it, jack springs-heavy loads-drawing nigh-you don’t know jack-the key word-four cards and a joker(jack)
    Upper Disaster falls-the blaze
    Lower Disaster falls-quickly down
    Pot creek-pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, pot(marry Jane)-original name of chest was Tarzan
    Marijuana slang is blaze
    The trapster -originally paste pot Pete in marvel comics. Developed a method to combat adhesive X. Do not fall for this trap.

    Now switch to New Mexico-Pot creek
    Sits on Rita de la olla-meaning right from the pot-I could go RIGHT straight to it
    Fort Burgwin-burg(as in ice) effort worth the cold
    Win-as in win the pot, happiness is the pot
    Brave-Indian, and your going to need to trespass
    In the wood-chamber-bullet in a gun-an enclosed space or cavity-a cavity in a PLANT
    from the word kamara and camera-meaning vault, arched chamber or object with an arched cover

    We have cavities and a marvel character originally named paste pot. Teeth of the Rockies and his strange scrapbook about toothbrushes.

    Chamber-a private room
    Kiva-means chamber

    Possible hidey spots:

    Pot Creek, Green River,CO

    Pot Creek Ancestral Pueblo Kiva, Fort Burgwin, New Mexico.
    50 yards from the parking lot
    Closed to the public. 44.2 miles from Santa Fe.

    Kivas of San Lazaro-the threat of being shot could be a reference to chamber

    Star Axis-outside Las Vegas,NM-scheduled to open in 2022, being constructed by a man named Ross(think Betsy Ross and brave), a chamber through time. 44.2 miles from Santa Fe

    This is as good of a solve as I have been able to stitch together.
    I wish everyone good fortune in their search. I have no doubt that this is the path.

    • I’ve actually poked around Pot Creek CO (Green River tributary). Both from the river up, and also from the Utah side down. From the Utah side, Zenobia Peak (in Dinosaur) is a pretty good blaze, rising on the horizon over the Pot Creek ‘notch’, just like a gunsight.


  38. YELLOWSTONE !!!!! I know I know . but if you throw everything out and start over and don`t let your mind get pulled back to old ways of thinking , you will end up in YELLOWSTONE . sure , it`s been hunted out , but those searchers MISSED it , IT .

  39. If you marry each of the clue`s to a place on a map , the right map , and you agree to take the clue`s to be with the places they are married too , then you will be going to YNP WYOMING .

    • James Collier – Sounds promising! I heard it is beautiful to camp up there at Cliff Lake, from a group I met over breakfast at Campfire Lodge.

      Horn Creek?:

      “So hear me all and listen good,”

      Keep going!

      • LIsa,

        Yes. I took that as “so hear me all and listen good” as well. I just want to see the area now as everything I read sounds like its jaw dropping

    • James, those are nice interpretations…according to ff, his parents spent many summers camped below Wade Lake, MT at West Fork Madison RV Campground.

    • This is definitely a conversation I would like to see get started….200ft in altitude instead of ground distance

      • Forrest has never qualified the 200-foot remark. Could be horizontal ground distance, could be line-of-sight distance, could be BOTG route distance, or even just an elevation difference (in which case the actual ground distance could be enormous). I doubt it’s the latter, since the distinction would be pretty meaningless (anyone who had been to an elevation of 10,000 feet would qualify, and probably quite a bit lower than that).

        • FWIW…Fenn seems to be fairly clear that the 200 feet is accurate.

          The Lure post screening 2017
          “That 200 feet is pretty accurate…. But, the people that were within 200 feet didn’t know that they were that close to the treasure and they walked right on by.”

          This comment from Fenn does give the illusion that folks were [close]… and were walking.

          • 200 feet doesn’t seem far, but if it was elevation/ a cliff, it could be too far to walk

        • Let’s be technically accurate, okay? If somebody had spent their
          whole life above 10,000 feet, they might, in fact, NOT qualify. IMO.

          • Tall Andrew: true enough. But 99+% of searchers travel from locations that are well below 10,000 feet, and I would venture to guess that more than 2/3rds of searchers live below his minimum elevation of 5,000 feet.

      • Pretty sure he did exactly what we do. He used the measure tool in google maps/earth and measured a straight line from the searchers location to the exact spot where the treasure is hidden. The searcher gave him the name of the trail walked, the coordinates or a landmark.

        • agreed, I think he said it’s “about” 200′. Like ken posted, 200′ is “pretty” accurate. There was a Lorin Mills interview I believe where f said something along the lines of that he enjoyed flying 200′ above the land. I’m with Oz, 200 or so feet off of a trail is huge. And like zap posted, the answers could be almost endless. With it early in the chase, and the chest awaiting the stomping of boots again, most likely a trail. I’m sure anyone could have no clues or nothing solved and still get within around 200′ of the chest.

          • Hi poisonivey,
            In my solve that distance is as close as 10 or 12 feet from the TC. Anybody, including searchers, can be that close to the TC without knowing that they are that close from the box containing $2M or $3M in it, believe it or not.
            — MajinKing

          • I agree with you on that Majin. If you can’t come within a couple steps, maybe even one step, then you will have no way of knowing what’s hidden. If you are not going to a spot, or you need to look around, then it’s most likely not the spot.
            I believe f hid it very well. Since it has access to all the elements, it is probably very well hidden. And that is in the year 2010. By now, lol, it’s most likely buried a little. As the years go by, the tougher it will be to find. It may even get to the point that even someone with the correct solve may not be able to find without a lot more work. I’m probably closer to finding the chest sitting here in So. Cal. then the 200 footers were.

          • That would be quite a fluke, to get within, say, 300 feet of
            the chest, without having any clues solved.

            Please note that I said feet, rather than using the vague symbol that might mean minutes. Somebody sure knows how to be sneaky. As always, all IMO.

      • Not from the sea, but from a nearby hiking trail plus 200 feet, for example, on a hill, IMHO. For example, on a Google Earth planet map, hovering over the cursor, we see a height above sea level to a point of 10,000 feet, near where the FF has hidden a chest, there is a hill at an altitude of + 200 feet, the question is, what distance can there be, but any, it all depends on which side to approach him.

    • IMHO the 200′ and 500′ comments have not been further clarified because they serve as very obvious confirmation to those who have been close enough to pass within a reasonable distance and any who ventured close enough to kiss the trove with, “the tromp and vibrations of hiking boots.” Yet, that will not aid with resolving your ethical dilemma.

      Quote from: https://mysteriouswritings.com/featured-question-with-forrest-fenn-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase-treasure-hunt-lost-treasure-thoughts/

    • I don’t think he’s that sloppy a thinker, or that dishonest. In my opinion, he meant in a straight line, in three dimensions. In other words, like a tight string.

      • There, if you look, there is an interesting sign made of stones, a circle, and inside the cross and two stripes, I was interested in this symbol. 200 ft higher from the trail.

  40. I vote inside Yellowstone Park. It is illegal to dig in the park. Its not buried or is it.
    The Park is the alpha and the omega. IMO. I currently think about there is 3 different
    ATF’s one this chase wasn’t and can not be created in a spring break or
    Sunday afternoon. two We are not going to do this in that time frame. three you can not
    find it in that time frame.
    Next If you can not walk to it you have a general solve. IMO my interpretation . Only
    Forrest can walk to it. Solve the poem all you have is a general solve. You will be spending
    an unknown amount of time trying to find it. 500 to 1000 years. that’s possible not sure.
    It must be that limited amount of information. If you can not do this in a spring break or
    Sunday afternoon. My personal opinion is Spring Break is plenty of time.
    Last thing I am wondering. Is the seeing Mountains and animals and he knows the
    treasure is wet. I have looked at the statement. My opinion is just describing just general area. The chest is not wet but the area is know to have wetness at times. I think we
    really only get no real information as we think we get. twist and turns..
    I am not sure about this time line but one thing I wondered. So ABC’s Matt says hid in
    New Mexico. Then correcting over sites. Second story. not in outhouses and Matt says
    in the mountains North of Santa Fe. And we get TFTW. I look at that and try to see if
    that just ruled out New Mexico. That may not be correct. The TTOTC has put me
    just in Yellowstone Park only. But I don’t know just things I try to reason out.
    The Park makes the chase better I guess..
    Stay Safe All..

    • The chest may be wet in some cases, if it is raining, it is not inevitable, or the snow melting in summer cannot be under water, otherwise it would make sense – it’s wet all the time, I think it should be a little higher ground level, IMHO

      • Yes moisture and condensation is a given in unprotected state.
        I am wondering why would he say this. why wet. it hard to reason
        things. What is going on at the location. is this a hint.
        Ok it is in the rain. Is that all. Even standing where the chest is.
        He didn’t say he stood next to the chest. it could indicate just in
        the area considered the location. Things change with water flows.
        physics would tell me if that happen this could happen.
        I am looking for reading into what he says and ways it can be taken.
        It just confuses me trying I guess. Well my area has possible considered swampy but I know its not there. I wouldn’t break a hip
        in some canyon. . he was 80.
        It’s how can we get information from his statements or is there no
        information there. I sure can’t get in my car and go get the chest.
        I guess that’s somewhere in the poem.
        I will say this just looking at things differently.
        That amount of money. why one of five favorite fishing spots.
        why one of five favorite places in the woods. Only one place could
        be considered. Makes sense to me.
        is it raining again. the chest is getting wet.
        never mind. I never said I was intelligent.
        Stay safe.

  41. A solution, perhaps?

    Begin it where warm waters h[alt
    A]nd take i[t in] the [can]yon down,
    Not far, but too far to walk.
    Put in below the home of Brown.
    From t[here it is] no place for the meek.

    And, Yes, I know he uses the word “it’s”. But it’s is just a contraction for it is. It may be nothing. There is an Alta in all of the searchable states though. Also there are quite a few Tin Cans. But if you can find the right one, It should be there. It would explain the little girl from India comment. I also think I know how he will know when someone finds it. What if the chest is locked? You’re going to have to ask him for the key.

      • Andrew, I’ve never seen any comments he’s made about that. But it would be a way of him knowing.

    • Well, Craig – Short, sweet, and a bit different. What is {Alt A} What shortcut is that for? I am not much of a computer geek – JDA

      • Alta is a town. But there is one in each of the four states. I’m leaning towards the one in Wyoming though because it says on wiki that there are no bodies of water in the town (where warm waters halta). And the TinCan, there are a few, but there’s also a TinCup too. So that could also be a possibility. I just noticed that the other day, so I haven’t looked at it that much. I’ll let you know if I find more.

  42. Remember he went to Borders when it was raining ? May be another hint to fish out of the book,

  43. Hello all, I wanted to share my solve with everybody and the Google Drive link is below. I don’t want to debate it or answer questions, simply share it. Good luck with your chase, Pete.


      • Hey JDA, I know your stand on messing with the poem is strong, I tried MANY things and this seemed to work – Pete

      • Tall Andrew:

        Just copy what is written: This whole line and paste it on the line where you would normally type a destination (website) you want to go to – hit “enter” and away you go:



        • JDA, another interesting thing I found today. The first word of the poem Begin, if you take off the B you’re left with Egin. There’s an Egin Lakes in Idaho. And if you look up Ebgin on wikipedia it says it is known as a native american word for cold. I think the words “it” and “the” are important words in the poem. Look the definition of “it” and “the”. It’s something to the effect of a word already mention, or that will be mentioned. Check it out man.

  44. I was a little off with my last interpretation, but I think I’ve got it now.

    It: pronoun: used to refer to a thing previously mentioned or easily identified.
    Okay. Well, Forrest says the first clue is BIWWWH. So the only word “previously mentioned” is Begin.
    Be[gin] it where warm waters halt
    And take it in the canyon down,
    Not far, but too far to walk.
    Put in below the home of Brown.
    From t[here it is] no place for the meek.
    Okay. So I think the starting place is Gin Creek in Idaho.
    Notice it is very close to Rummy Creek and Poker Creek. Remember what he said about, “If you can’t get the first clue, you might as well stay home and play canasta.” I think he was giving a big hint with that comment. I had to look conasta up ( I have no idea how to play) But it says it is a variation of rummy.
    Okay. So you take Gin Creek down about 1.5 miles (Not Far). And it turns into Plank Creek (But too far to walk)
    The next line, Put in below the hoB is hinting to the next line. The “here it is” line. So I think that chest is either where Gin Creek and Plank Creek meet, or at the bottom of Plank Creek. I think it’s at the bottom.
    This would be where I’d look.

    • Craig, is there a reason the thing previously mentioned or easily identified cannot be in the first stanza? Limiting yourself to one word in the 1st clue eliminates 4 lines that could be useful.

      • Aaron, Yes. I considered that. The best I could find was Secret Valley Hot Springs in Wyoming. I’ve never been able to string together more than a few clues in a row following them the way they’re written.

    • Craig8311,
      The names you’ve found are a fun fit, but are you simply starting in Idaho? Idaho is not in the running.

      Forrest Fenn has indicated that he hid his treasure chest in the Rocky Mountains in one of these 4 states: Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico.

      Here’s my take on gin and canasta: gun maybe a reference to cards or two spirits

      If cards, The game of gin requires combinations of two cards or three cards to win. In canasta 2 & 3’s are wild cards.

      • IMO
        If interpreting the poem as:
        Be “Gin it” = liquor or spirits then warm waters halt in a Still or bottle.
        “Still waters”
        I’ve said it before, but the Stillwater river runs through Nye (nigh) Montana. There’s a buffalo jump on the bench above Nye, and lots of very expensive platinum mining.

      • 42, I have never actually heard him say it’s not in Idaho. It was brought up to him in one of the interviews on Youtube. He never actually said no. He said “that’s not a very big hint because only a small portion of the rockies are in Idaho.” In TTOTC, he says there are 9 clues, but he doesn’t even say you have to solve them all. He says, “If followed precisely, will lead to the chest.”

          • You beat me to it Jake though my reference is Forrest Gets Mail – 8.

            “Have you narrowed the search area for the treasure?”

            “Yes, I said the treasure is hidden in the Rocky Mountains at least 8 miles north of Santa Fe, excluding Utah, Idaho, and Canada. I have said it is above 5000’ and below 10,200.”


    • Hi 42: while the chest is not hidden in Idaho, Forrest has placed very few limits on the locations of any of the clues that lead you there. WWWH could be in Outer Mongolia, for instance. (It isn’t, but Forrest hasn’t said or written anything that logically eliminates that possibility.) Most searchers probably assume all the clues are confined to an area of “reasonable” size. Probably not too many searchers who think the journey from WWWH to the treasure is more than a hundred miles. But even with that 100-mile limitation, WWWH ~could~ be in quite a few places that the treasure chest cannot: Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona, Utah, Kansas, Nebraska, Idaho, South Dakota, North Dakota, Washington, Oregon (just barely), British Columbia, Alberta or Saskatchewan.

      • Zaphod, I agree with you, Even have one solve that starts in Arizona’s Grand Canyon, and also in northern Texas.

        However, I think Craig mentioned he was looking at that creek in Idaho

  45. Call me crazy but i still believe that the first stanza is telling us the general area we need to be in to find WWWH , if we read TTOTC a couple of times slow , then read the poem over and over , our mind WILL pick up on things FF said in his book . I have had a few random friends that are not in the chase read the book twice and then the poem 4-5 times , then ask them what they think the first stanza meant to them , 2 of the 3 said they THINK it is hinting of a place , so i ask , what place , they said , YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK . i ask why they thought that , they said they did not really know why or even how they came to that place , that they were JUST DRAWN TO IT … so for now my money is on this , I THINK THE CHEST IS WHERE <<<<<<< YNP IMO

  46. I apologize in advance for the cryptic nature of my comments; however, I am following Dal’s advice not to give too much away
    In my opinion, the “exact spot” is between Manhattan and Long Island, within the country of Spain. This can only be seen through a mirror, though. Borders are important, just like literature.
    Solve this riddle and you will able to walk directly to the chest, IMO. Of course, the answer to this riddle aligns precisely with where the nine clues in the poem lead to,as well, IMO.
    I will attempt to prove this theory on my next BOTG in the year 2023 . Seriously, it’s tough to save money for these trips when you live on the East Coast!
    Good luck to everyone still searching this season!

    – Box Turtle

    • Box-
      Umm..well you certainly didn’t give much away…
      Did I miss something…Did we buy Spain and move it to Wyoming last week?

    • Dal: my guess is that Box Turtle’s riddle has nothing to do with the geographic places we associate with the words “Manhattan”, “Long Island” or “Spain.” It probably has to do with the letters making up those words and/or mirrored versions of those letters.

  47. After 6 years, 6 months, and several days… this is the culmination oF my eFForts oF trying to Find F’s F-Fort.

    I believe Indulgence can be found resting at: wys mt

    What better day than today; to see if I have “earned” it. Hay, u don’t know if u don’t try! And now for a little RnR…

  48. Greetings All;

    “I‘ve Deduced the Treasure is here.”
    Dal suggested in regard to offering up info here: “Don’t give away too much though”. With all due respect to Dal and you guys, I aim to offer up as much as one can. As it blatantly obvious that I know not the exact whereabouts of the famous box of gold and jewels, I believe once you arrive at the site I’ll lead you to you may understand why. Quite honestly, I believe the treasure will never be found, but don’t let that discourage you.
    Before we start I’d like to share with you a partial clue that you may or may not have seen. It involves Mr. Fenn’s own words via a ‘Freudian Slip’. At around one minute and six seconds (1:06) of the NBC interview, where Mr. Fenn offers what has been referred to as the “Above 5000 Feet” clue you can catch the slip.
    Did you catch it?… “The clue is the treasure is higher than seven…than five thousand feet…”…He’s right! It is above seven thousand feet! It is between 8,000 and 8,150 feet in elevation…I’ll explain the reason for that deduction a little later.
    Some of the location information originating from Mr. Fenn himself comes via the cable TV show called Expedition Unknown. In the episode titled “Finding Fenn’s Treasure” the host Josh Gates says that Forrest stated that in his interview with Mr. Fenn that when he went out and hid the box he left his house that morning and returned the same day. The other location “clue” that Mr. Fenn has offered can be found in the text found in the dust jacket. Just read the last sentence found on the inside front section of the dust jacket. Do you see a crossword jumbled “The Maverick Trail” hiding among the words? While you read it again please consider that Mr. Fenn maintained absolute control over every word and every word placement in his book. Mr. Fenn could easily reach the Maverick Trail in the Cimarron Canyon and returned home the same day, doing all he had to do in regards to hiding the treasure. In my humble opinion that Maverick trail is the main and most explicit clue he I offered in TTOTC.
    Now, let’s go over the poem. Actually there are many clues in the poem so please follow along as I pick it apart for you. Before we are through you will find yourself going to the Cimarron Canyon and up the Maverick Trail.
    “As I have gone alone “IN” there”
    There are many more clues in this poem than one may see at first glance. It’s a rather simple word “IN”, but highly descriptive. To gain a perspective just don a seaman’s cap and think. Should I put OUT to sea or IN to port? “Out” = an unlimited space and “In” = an area with limited entry and bounded by constraints…The area that I’ll lead you to has but one entrance/exit, unless you wish to traverse some treacherous ravines.
    “And with my treasure bold,
    I can keep my secret where,
    And hint of riches new and old.”
    These lines simply contain poetic verbiage.

    “BEGIN where the warm waters halt”
    Answer: Begin at Eagle Nest Lake

    “And take the CANYON down”
    Translation, drive down the Cimarron Canyon.

    “Not far, but TOO FAR to WALK”
    Pretty self-explanatory, especially if you try to walk all the way from the Eagle Nest Lake to the Maverick Trail.

    “PUT IN” below the home of Brown”
    What does he mean… “Put In”?
    Let’s stop her for a second and talk about those impressive times in our lives when we acquire expressions via contemporary written text and sayings: Sayings and expressions slang or otherwise, can leave a lasting impression. For instance, if I was a teenager or young adult, say in the 1920’s, I might use the expression 23 skidoo. Actually I was a teenager back in the 60’s so… I hope this dissection of the poem doesn’t ‘freak you out’ or ‘blow your mind’… But enough fun with words…the point I’m making is that Mr. Fenn has a relationship to certain contemporary words as we all do and if you take into account the verbal impressions that may have been imprinted upon Mr. Fenn’s brain during his formative years and beyond you may gain an insight as to what he is saying and why it comes out the way it does. Let’s get back to business.
    So, “Put in” is an expression that was prevalent back in the 1940’s – 1950’s. It simply meant to park your vehicle, grab your fishing gear and head to your favorite fishing hole…or stream in this case. For an example of this you may catch an old 50’s TV program titled, “Jeff’s Collie” a precursor of Lassie. In an episode featuring the venerable actor George Cleveland, ‘Gramps’, takes Jeff and Lassie in the old pickup to his favorite fishing hole. When they arrive he says, “Let’s put in here”. Answer: “Put in” Means park your car.
    …below the HOME of BROWN”
    When you arrive at the Maverick Trail head you will see that the parking space available along Hwy 64 lies “below” the area that you may wish to fish…Fish for “Brown” trout that is!
    “From there it’s no place for the MEEK,”
    Boy howdy!…He ain’t kidding! Just try running up the Maverick trail a few times. You start off at 7640 feet to above 7900 feet when you can find a descent rest stop. That is similar to walking up fifty plus flights of stairs. It’s a utility trail for goodness sake…and not user friendly at all and not for “The Meek” at all. Better eat your Wheaties before you head out!
    By the way, that rest stop is at: N 36* 33.214’ W 105* 08.346’ at an elevation of 7920. There you will find a nice log along the side trail where you can take off you backpack and take a break. If you get there soon you may find the elk antler that I left behind….I just could not figure a way to fit it in an airlines overhead bin so I left it there for someone else.
    “The END is ever DRAWING NIGH”
    Answer: As you ascend the trail you are getting closer to your target area. It is obviously above you somewhere, so Mr. Fenn adds nice and thoughtful corrective measure to the clue with the following line.
    “There’ll be “NO” paddle up your creek,”
    Translation: As you walk up the Maverick Trail you will see an impressive looking stone promontory, drawing nigh, and off and to your left…across the Maverick Creek. That is ‘NOT’ the place to look. Believe me I’ve been up there. It is an amazing view of the canyon, but in regards to this clue, he is saying don’t take the creek side, but stay to the right side of the trail for the treasure.
    This next line barely qualifies as a clue as it provides more of a description of the situation Mr. Fenn was dealing with at the time…
    “Just HEAVY LOADS…”
    This line of the poem will not lead you any closer to the location of the treasure; however it will offer a perspective of a writer vacillating from sharing personal experience verses tactical information. Ever think about the word “Just”? Mr. Fenn uses this word ‘just’ twice in the poem. You can easily deduce what he is referring to with the words use the second time, “Just take the chest…” Ever think about what an impression it must have made on Mr. Fenn to drag that booty up the Maverick Trail. The treasure was “Just” a heavy load.
    “and Water High.”
    Answer? It’s time you check out your Rand McNally or Google Earth and head due north of the Maverick Trail as the crow flies. There you will find Mary’s Lake, Bartlett Lake, Adam’s Lake, and a few more that fit into the category of water high.
    “If you’ve been WISE and found the BLAZE,”
    Has anyone out there had an epiphany about this line while watching a Xyzal commercial? So what’s a wise owl have to do with the solve? Again, here we need to go back to Mr. Fenn’s earlier days and influences. This time it was a poem that originated back in the mid 1900’s and experienced a revival in the 1940’s.
    Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Wise_Old_Owl
    So what’s up with this relationship of “Wise” and “Blaze”? Well, it is the correlation between the owl and the oak that Mr. Fenn uses to lead you to the treasure. Mr. Fenn’s poetic algorithm translates to: Look for a Gambler Oak with a blaze on it. The reason for the Gambler Oak is that it is the only oak that grows in the area. Of course you can “smell the pinion pine” there as Mr. Fenn has stated too.
    Side notes here on the irony of it all: That is, this whole treasure hunt thing is a risky venture or gamble and it is like totally connected to the word Maverick. Of course many know of the western TV series titled Maverick back in the day, but have you ever looked up the definition as one can find in a 5 inch thick Webster’s dictionary from 1954? Well, originally a cattle rancher in south Texas by the name of Samuel Maverick refused to brand his cattle. (Maybe an original PETA member?) Anyway the meaning morphed to describe any unbranded livestock that wandered into town: Unclaimed, it soon became community property and in no time at all it was…Bar-b-que On! Later that meaning expanded to cover: “Anything obtained by appropriating the property of another”.
    Ironic words? Or logic expressed? After all, what could be more of lexeme logic to find the treasure under a Gambler Oak somewhere off the Maverick Trail? This form of logic reminds of Elvis Presley’s “Heart break Hotel” and how it was logically located at the end of Lonely Street.
    Now…Back to the poem.
    “Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
    Just take the chest and go in peace.

    So why is it that I must go
    And leave my trove for all to seek?
    The answer I already know,
    I’ve done it “TIRED”, and now I’m “WEAK”.
    …You better believe he was tired and weak…you try running up and down the Maverick Trail a couple of times in one day and at around eighty years of age too!

    Final Clues!
    So hear me all and listen good,
    ”Your effort will be worth the “COLD”
    The Maverick Trail is closed to the public from May 15th until the first of August and even then it is barely accessible because of the monsoon season and the rains that turn the rocky trail slick and the mud off the trail into a thick yuck. You are much better off this time of year or early spring. One big reason is that the Gambler Oak has a distinctive leaf and because of that the stands are easier to spot. Right now they are turning a nice golden color.

    ”If you are brave and in the “WOOD”
    An elementary clue; you have to be off the trail and in the wooded area. If you follow the clues you should find yourself off the Maverick Trail, sitting on the side trail mentioned earlier, taking a nice little break. From there you follow the side trail until you reach N 36* 33.474’ W 105* 08.218’. There you will find the trail takes a hard left, but you go off trail and to the right and you will find yourself “in the Wood” that Mr. Fenn refers to. This is where he leads you to search for the Gambler Oak and the Blaze. Note here: When you leave the side trail stay to the right. Do not go up the incline and do not go down any ravines!…follow the ridgeline walkway until it you get to N 36* 33.429’ W 105* 08.001’…this as an approximation point that more or less represents the area that you will find has the most stands of reasonable sized Oaks in a reasonable terrain that an 80 year old could fairly easily traverse. This elevation (covering the highest and lowest “reasonable terrain” of the area is between 8150 Ft. and 8000 Ft.)
    “I give you title to the gold.”

    That’s it for the poem, but we still have one more “Fenn” clue.
    Mr. Fenn stated that many have been within 500 ft. and “some” have been with 200 ft. He was not talking vertical distance, but rather horizontal. I guess as a pilot he naturally thinks that way. So, how does this qualify as a clue? I personally told Mr. Fenn about the rest area and no doubt “some” others have as well. If you add 200 feet to the side trail rest stop elevation you get 8120 Ft. As for the “many have been within 500 Ft. “part I can tell you right now that someone has passed within 500 Ft. since you started reading this post. You see they are driving on highway 64, up and down the Cimarron Canyon. If you take the elevation of the Maverick Trail trailhead (and thereby highway 64) you will see it is at 7640 Ft. Add 500 to that and you get 8140 Ft. So, somewhere around 8100 +/- Ft. is the treasure…under a Gambler Oak with a blaze on it.

    Does this all made sense to you?

    If so, I wish you luck and the very best…However…IF…I’m right about the information that I have given you please remember that, through esoteric means, I truly believe (although it is there) the treasure will never be found.

    That’s it!

    As they say down here in Texas, Bono Fortuna Ya’ll!


    • A prominent of this group can fill you in on Cimarron Canyon searching, but I’ll mention 2 things.

      Eagles Nest isn’t a lake, it’s a reservoir created in 1918.

      One day a search group at the 3rd waterfall in the canyon came upon 2 other search groups rubbing the canyon walls looking for a recess

  49. RANDY,
    Uh, Eagle Nest lake is held back by a dam.
    Sorry,, don’t think that is where WWWH

  50. Head’em up and move’em out….keep them doggies mov’in Raw Hide. Yaw…..keep them doggies mov’in. Raw Hide.

    I see trees of green and red roses too…..and I think to myself…..what a wonderful world.

    Just think of the cards we have been dealt….always knew it had to do with the Gambler.

    -guy Michael-

  51. Rain wind and weather
    Hell-bent for leather
    Wishin’ my gal was by my side
    All the things I’m missin’
    Good vittles, love and kissin’
    Are waiting at the end of my ride…

    What a couple of great songs by some great artist!

  52. I intend to visit NM for the first time in my life. Been all about WY and MT until last Fall.

    Gonna be a long ride from Boston….heaven help me!

  53. I must say while all of these musings make the diversity of thought and nature self-evident, they are missing the mark by several miles on average.
    I think, however, the treasure is much closer in TIME than people think. What once was 1000 is now less than 100.

  54. Well since the treasure seems to be found, I will post briefly on where I thought it was.

    Begin where the warm waters = Begin at starting point Colorado Springs (the letters fade away on the map). Jump Starting the Curve in book = to start at Colorado “Springs”

    take it in the canyon down = On the map, follow down to Canon City(“Canon” pronounced “Canyon” in Spanish).

    Put in below home of Brown = house of “Duncan” in Duncan, Colorado which is a ghost town in the San Luis Valley. (LEWIS ANd Clark pun in book). Duncan: DUN means “brown” and CAN means “hair or warrior”. There is only one house left standing in Duncan, Colorado and that is the house of John Duncan in Saguache County, Colorado about 8 miles south of Crestone, Colorado. The place which is considered a ghost town now, was on the Luis Maria Baca Grant No. 4 but is now within Rio Grande National Forest.

    there will be no paddle up your creek = Pole Creek just south of the house of brown. Go up Pole Creek into the Sangre de Cristo mountains where there are a few high mountain lakes.

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