Treasure Quest…Part One

Treasure Quest
Part 1 – The Keyword, Theme and the Poem
By Lana

In order to understand where I believed the treasure was hidden, one must first learn of the Shoshone Tukudeka (Sheepeaters also found spelled as Tukadika and Tukudika).  These are the American Indians who inhabited the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem and beyond.  More specifically, you must learn of their Vision Quests. After I try to convince you of my theme, I’ll then attempt to marry the information to the poem, “the book” and the map.

This solve, I believe, answers all the ATF quotes from Fenn’s interviews.  I can’t find one example where it doesn’t fit.

I believe Forrest has referenced Vision Quests several times in his poem. It is for these many references that I chose “Quest” as my keyword and theme of the poem.  As you read the following, take a pen and paper and see if you can spot the similarities in Fenn’s poem.  How many did you get?  Do you agree or disagree with what I’ve found?

From the four book sources mentioned below, I gathered that a Vision Quest for the Shoshone is a religious journey especially for shamen but often for brave young men, and women who went alone to connect with the spirits in search of power and/or answers. First, the participant would usually go alone and bathe in a stream or river, then often paint themselves with red pigment and sit in cedar smoke.  Next, the seeker often sat with his/her back to the rocks, perhaps with a fire, facing the river or lake, typically looking in an Eastern direction.  Once there in front of the rocks, the Tukudeka would then fast and sleep, wrapped in a blanket for one or several days awaiting a visit/vision from the spirits.

It is said that the spirit creatures could be heard pecking on the rocks, but when a visitor arrived, the spirits quickly stopped and left.  During the Vision Quest, the seeker was visited from one of these little spirit people who led them on a journey directly into the surfaces of the rock through cracks in the rocks surfaces, holes or crevices that seemed impassable.  This is why some of the petroglyphs have people’s/shamen’s arms and legs disappearing into rock cracks.  Once inside the rock spirit world, the brave vision seeker would meet other creatures that seemed to be an animal but then composed of both animal and human parts such as an owl with human arms.  These part animal, part humans are otherwise known as anthropomorphs.

During the vision, other odd, strange forms were encountered.  This is when the vision or the power and answers were made available to the participant. Alone, and supposedly inside the confines of the rocks, the brave seeker would have to fend for him/her self in this unfamiliar, strange, frightening, spirit world.  When the Vision Quest was over and the power/answers were gained, the seeker would return through the rocks, and begin creating a petroglyph.  This drawing served to record the memory of the journey.  Some of the petroglyphs I continue to refer to throughout, were incised upwards of 3,000 years ago.  Usually there was no talk of the VQ to other people, the details of a Vision Quest were kept a secret.

Key Word and Theme: “Quest” as in Vision Quest and from Fenn’s poem “your quest to cease” and all references to the word “it” I believe refer to the quest or the journey.    I have outlined the similarities of VQ’s to Forrest’s poem below.

The information on the Vision Quests was taken from several books:
Mountain Spirit, The Sheep Eater Indians of Yellowstone by Lawrence Lowendorf and Nancy Medaris Stone
Ancient Visions Petroglyphs of the Wind River and Bighorn Country by Julie Frances and Lawrence Lowendorf
Plains Indian Rock Art by James Keyser and Michael Klassen
Crow Rock Art in the Bighorn Basin: Petroglyphs at No Water, WY, by James Keyser and George Poetschat.

TTOTC page 145, Forrest:  “Now as I look back with the vision…” Ha!  Vision Quest!
References of a possible Vision Quest in Forrest’s Poem:

As I have gone alone in there (Forrest by himself alone in the VQ) TTOTC page 124 “Most are conjured up by the reverential spirits and are reserved for times when we happen upon the solitude of just ourselves”.

I can keep my secret where (usually VQ info is kept a secret but images are recorded as glyphs, drawings on rocks)

Hint of riches new and old (petroglyphs, experiences, memories, perhaps ff found artifacts, as well as a reference to the old and new riches in his treasure chest)

Begin IT and Take IT = IT refers to the Quest

Put in below the home of Brown
Dictionary definition of Brown = “dark, sun tanned skin”, capitalized as it relates to a proper noun referring to a nickname for the Shoshone people.  Definition of home = “a place of origin”, “one’s own country”, “in harmony with the surroundings”, “a family living together”, “a place where something normally or naturally lives or is located”, “was born and grew up”.  It is well documented that the Shoshone Tukudeka who have dark, sun tanned skin, lived in the glacier valley where the petroglyphs are located, named and described in further detail below, migrating up and down this glacier formed valley, following the resources of the plant life and wild game that each season offered.

Does this migration following resources sound like the definition of Geography? Geography Definition: the study of human activity as it affects and is affected by the physical features of the earth, including the distribution of populations and resources, and land use.

From here it’s no place for the meek
It = referring to the quest again.  Meek = lacking spirit and courage.  Participants in the VQ’s had to have courage and spirit and also believe in spirits or deities. In addition, perhaps the quest is taking us to a place that now requires a short hike uphill or it’s in a location that would discourage most meek, feeble, physically out of shape, seekers.

The end is ever drawing nigh
Ever: as in “always, at any time, increasingly, constantly”.  Drawing =  “an outline or sketch made by using a series of lines” just like a petroglyph.  Nigh = “coming closer, sure to happen” as well as “on the left side of a river when looking downstream.”  Put these all together and on the left side of the creek when looking downstream, from below the HOB, there’s petroglyph drawings along the creek side.

There is no paddle up your creek (don’t go up the creek, get out and search up from the creek on the hill side)  If Fenn would have used “up from your creek” it would be more obvious, however it would add another syllable to the line making the stanza not match the other prose.  I believe he meant this to be able to be deciphered both ways.  Up from your creek is perhaps where the treasure is located, and simply up your creek is where there is no paddle, or don’t bother going up there.

Just heavy loads and water high
Just: meaning ff is dismissing the heavy loads and water high as they are insignificant.  Heavy loads are the boulders dropped by the terminal moraine of the glacier. Water high simply means the water upstream, as it flows from a higher to lower elevation.  There is a waterfall upstream.  Definition of  High: “upwards in elevation, altitude or simply upriver”.  High also means “of a high reverence as in a religious figure a high priest or shaman”.

If you’ve been wise and found the blaze
Wise: a word associated with owls.  Also, the below mentioned valley has the highest concentration of owl human anthropomorphic petroglyphs in the world. Wise is a word associated with being smart from former knowledge. Found – “looking among more than just one” (there’s more than a few petroglyphs), also to find as in to find your answers as you see your vision. This sentence is past tense making me believe you can figure out the blaze before hitting the trail.

Your quest to cease (Yay!  My keyword that I am in tight focus with!)

But tarry scant with marvel gaze
Tarry Scant: don’t stay long there may be others nearby or it’s in a kinds of sketchy location. Marvel Gaze as in use your eyes to see (as in vision) as well as drooling over the treasure.

Go in peace
After you have found your answers and power by gaining insight from the spirits on the quest.

So why is it that I must go
Forrest is perhaps questioning and seeking answers to questions about his life on his Vision Quest.

The answers I already know
He’s already had the vision and is satisfied with life’s answers.

I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak
After fasting for several days as if on a VQ, he’s weak.  He’s maybe also weak from climbing up to secret the treasure and weak from the cancer strain.  The type of sandstone that is in this valley is Tensleep and if I were tired it would make me want to go to sleep, to Tensleep.

So hear me all and listen good,
Listen to the spirits pecking the petroglyphs, or the ring sound of Ring Lake and listen to what he has to say next in the poem.

Your effort will be worth the cold
Cold from low body heat from bathing in the cold lakes and only having a blanket. A lack of normal human emotion or friendliness from the spirits.  Also cold means “far off the mark” which represents all former attempts to solve the poem. He also needed a word to rhyme with gold and this one fits the bill more than any other rhyming word.

If you are brave and in the wood
I believe he is really emphasizing this part by saying “hear me all and listed good” .  Brave like an indian warrior seeking a VQ despite meeting unknown spirits.  The style of petroglyphs, with their unique interior lines is “Dinwoody” tradition, which could be considered a form of being “in the wood”.

Ok, I hope I provided enough to convince you on the Quest, particularly, Vision Quest theme.  So how did I come up with my location?  Well, since ff uses “wise” and also “in the wood” I took that as an owl and Dinwoody.  Wise can also mean like a shaman on a VQ.  If you look at all the vision quest sites of the Shoshone where there are glyphs/drawings the greatest concentrations of owl glyphs at above 5K feet, they are along Torrey Creek, near the quaint old west town of Dubois, WY.  Some are by Dinwoody Lake but that is on reservation land, so that rules that out as it’s not publicly owned.  Lander has a few glyphs but not particularly ones of owls.  There are also some near Thermopolis, but I don’t feel all the pieces fit. So now I’ve got my location for Torrey Creek glyphs near Ring and Trail Lakes near the town of Dubois, a french word, when translated means “in the wood”.

By Lana
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63 thoughts on “Treasure Quest…Part One

  1. Hi Lana;

    I loved your post. Lots of new interesting ideas to consider.. I love your Vision Quest idea and the Vision Quest photo. Would have loved to have seen more Pictures of the petroglyphs. I wish you well in any future searches. Thanks for your post – JDA

    • JD, I recommend that you go and find those glyphs 🙂 If you like Easter egg hunting you will love finding all the glyphs. I imagine your group would love it. It’s like finding mini treasures every time you stumble across one. There are many incisions and they are fantastic even after thousands of years. Talk about appreciation for how long it took to carve them….It’s short good hiking from your car, with wonderful views of the 3 lakes, osprey nests galore, chipmunks, etc. In spring, the sheep and antelope are all over. Hope you decide to go.

  2. Thanks for sharing. I love it. I have always felt the poem is more a spiritual or close to death experience, FF is referring too.

  3. I like how your Quest could be “it”. I have long had a suspicion that Dinwoody could have something to do with being in the wood. It is new information to me that Dubois means in the wood. Since that gate is the one which the Fenns would have taken to get to Yellowstone on their way from Texas, it is worth a look.

    • Hey Michael, I thought the Fenn’s might take that pathway up through Jackson and on to Yellowstone. It was difficult in past years to get over Togwotee pass and the road down Torrey Creek was rutty and difficult then, but I’m sure Forrest could have flown into little airport later in life and rented a car or a bike and gone there. It was fun imagining him there while searching.

    • Has this route ever been established in comments by f? I know he says they went through Shoshoni, but from there, I’ve been unclear whether they took this route, or the one via Thermopolis and Cody (clearly the longer).

      Technically, ‘Dubois’ would be ‘OF the forest/wood’. Nearby is (ghost town now, I believe) ‘Dunoir’, near the Warm Spring Creek. If only one were to be seeking the home of Black, or if the town were to have been named Dumarron. Sections of the old logging flume still clinging to the mountainside above the creek make for a great HL&WH, unless one believes f has said that not any clue can be a structure (and they won’t be clinging there 1,000 yrs from now, anyways). With closest paddles working the saw mill down on the Wind (hence the reason for the flume), it’s a great ‘no paddle’ creek too.

      • Aardvarkbark, I don’t believe f has ever mentioned going this particular route through Dubois. Someone else had an earlier solve involving Dunoir and the flumes. There is also a small airport in Dubois. You seem to have a good knowledge of the area. Are you perhaps searching near there?

        • No, not searching. I had hiked in that area a few years ago so am aware of it. I can’t get the clues to align enough to justify a search there, but am aware many have. I believe the logging of that area was occurring during the time the Fenns were summering up there. I suppose I would be more motivated if, in any of his memoirs or SBs, f mentioned he worked as a tie hack there.

  4. Lana,

    We hope that in part two you reveal where you found the treasure! If this sounds “cold”, it is, because all solves, save the one that finds the treasure, are hypothetical!

    We believe searchers need a hard nose, down to earth approach. For example, FF said the treasure was hidden in close approximation to a stone tool he found (hand axe?). We’re studying that very closely right now!

    The Geezer Team

    • Hi Dennis;

      Can you give the source and actual quote where Forrest says that “the treasure was hidden in close approximation to a stone tool he found ” I can’t seem to locate such a quote – Thanks – JDA

      • Here’s the quote I have.

        Dennis and the Geezers

        Seeker’s Recap of Forrest’s Statements……
        JULY 2015

        Dear Mr. Fenn,

        You once wrote: “There isn’t a human trail in very close proximity to where I hid the treasure.” You also once wrote: “And in close proximity were stone projectiles and crudely made hand axes that could have been 30,000 years old.”

        Can you clarify for us your definitions of “close proximity” and “very close proximity?” (e.g. 10 feet, 50 feet, 100 feet, 500 feet, etc.?)

        Thanks, Milan

    • Dennis and the Geezer Team, I do know there was a stone pipe tool found that was used by the Shaman to extract evil from a person. I can’t remember if it was found at this area or the petroglyphs at Legend Rock or the ones near Thermopolis….Good luck in your search.

    • Geezer Team; it would be very interesting if FF said the treasure was hidden in close approximation to a stone tool he found. I don’t recall hearing or reading that information before. Can you provide a source for that information? Thanks in advance….

    • Dennis & G-Team:

      I suspect you may be paraphrasing based on a faint memory of something else that he said. I have included the original quote below from Six Questions with Forrest Fenn (February 4, 2013). I’ve seen this quote mistakenly correlated with the treasure’s hiding location several times. Once an erroneous attribution makes it into the online search community, it has an unfortunate tendency to propagate and further mislead. See original below.

      2Q) You mention one of your most cherished items in your collection is the first arrowhead you ever found. Over the years, what are some other relics you were most thrilled to discover? And why?

      “I found that little arrowhead when I was nine and it sent me on a lifelong journey of adventure and discovery. I wondered who made it and caused it to be resting at my feet for 1,000 years, waiting for me to pick it up. I still feel the excitement of that day.”

      “In the Saharan desert of Libya I discovered thousands of war relics left over from the tank battles of WW-II: burned out tanks and shell casings were everywhere. And in close proximity were stone projectiles and crudely made hand axes that could have been 30,000 years old. I was looking at conflicts piled on top of conflicts. Who can imagine how many…”

      • Here’s the quote I have.

        Dennis and the Geezers

        Seeker’s Recap of Forrest’s Statements……
        JULY 2015

        Dear Mr. Fenn,

        You once wrote: “There isn’t a human trail in very close proximity to where I hid the treasure.” You also once wrote: “And in close proximity were stone projectiles and crudely made hand axes that could have been 30,000 years old.”

        Can you clarify for us your definitions of “close proximity” and “very close proximity?” (e.g. 10 feet, 50 feet, 100 feet, 500 feet, etc.?)

        Thanks, Milan

    • Clearly Clueless,
      Can I adopt your CC name too?! Be on the lookout for more info in part 2 and 3. A shout out and big thanks to Dal for posting and dealing with my disorganized submission.

  5. You are suggesting that ‘home of Brown’ is referring to an area [once] inhabited by Native Americans. This idea has intrigued me. It wasn’t too awfully long ago that it was entirely acceptable to use Brown as reference to Native American or Hispanic demographics. But now in our uber-PC culture, it seems derogatory to use it, just as it now is for Black. When f wrote the poem, it may have been an acceptable method for referencing an area south of any tribal land or pueblo, but I can’t imagine using it in that context in today’s climate.

    • Yes, I am suggesting home of Brown is an area used previously by Native Americans or people who inhabited pueblos, both of which tend to have beautiful sun bronzed, brown skin tone. Also, f mentions in the TTOTC that killing birds for dinner may not suit the climate of today’s readers or something to that effect.

  6. I think you are onto something and getting very hot. All you need now is to be able to put your finger on the right “Begin it where warm waters halt” and I think you may be there. Can’t wait to read Part 2 and 3…..

  7. After much reading and consideration, I have ruled out Togwotee Pass as the route the Fenn’s took TO Yellowstone. It is slightly possible they may have taken this route to see the tie drive down the Wind River to Riverton in the spring-if the timing of their travels matched the tie drives. The road above Dubois over Togwotee Pass was not paved until around 1950, so it may have been nigh on to impassible early in the year and a probable poor choice to save miles.

    However, I believe that they MAY have gone back home to Texas via that route. Whether they ‘tarried’ in the Dunoir Valley area as they headed home is the open question. Warm Springs Creek is tantalizing, but access is limited and the canyon itself is steep-walled and trails at the bottom of the canyon are virtually non-existent. Wagon Box Ranch is located where Warm Springs Creek meets the Wind River and is well posted and apparently not friendly to people encroaching (it’s even posted from the upper approach).

    After a BOTG recon to try to focus on a spot along Warm Springs Creek that looked promising on Google Maps, we reduced the probability of the chest being there because of the trespassing issues and the lack of relatively walkable access in the canyon along the creek. It was a rugged, steep walled canyon that requires low water in the creek and a considerable amount of time boulder-hopping in the creek itself to get from Dunoir to Wind River or vice-versa.

    We considered the abilities of a very fit, altitude acclimated 79 year old person carrying 20+ pounds and were forced to downgrade the likelihood that he would have taken a walk in this canyon.

    If ff hid the chest in this area, I will be very impressed with his ability to make that trip…

    • yesiamapyr8,
      There are 3 Warm Springs Creeks in the area that all empty into the Wind River between Dunoir and Dubois. I chose the Wind River as my WWWH, particulary where the last or most downstream Warm Springs Creek emptied into the Wind River (the KOA campground). Then I went downstream in the Wind River Canyon towards the reservation. I think some people go up the Warm Springs Creeks, which would be South on a map if you feel South is down. In part 2 there’s a map. Overall, it’s an amazing area with hiking galore and tons of history.

      • Thrill Seeker;

        Looking at a map of the area – I see the Wind River as going southeast and the Warm Spring creeks basically going west – Am I wrong?

        • The Wind in that area goes West mostly and drifts south. The Warms Springs Creeks drain from the south to the north into the Wind. The continental divide in the area kinds of warps the path of the water so to speak.

          • I stand corrected, after looking again, it looks like the Warm Springs Creeks travel more East and North. Sorry about that.

  8. Lana –

    I very much like your Vision Quest theme, and am looking forward to reading about how you marry the clues to a place on the map in part 2. You didn’t mention “warm waters” yet; I’m sure you are saving the best for last!

    I explored Legend Rock (Dinwoody tradition) near Thermopolis; fascinating place. And close to yet another “Hamillton” – Hamilton Dome. (I think I may have set a record for exploring all things “Hamilton” – ahh the rabbit holes I’ve been down). But, as you say, the pieces didn’t all fit.

    We’re all still looking for the perfect intersection though, aren’t we?
    Maybe you have found it.

    • Hi Sandy,
      I bet the petroglyphs at Legend Rock are awesome. I kinda got into the drawings pretty heavily. The more you look at them the more detail you notice. If you get a chance, go see the ones along Torrey Creek. It’s an amazing valley with no Yellowstone traffic. You can see them when you are driving if you know where to look. Several are just a few feet from the road. Pick up a self guided driving tour from the Sheep Interpretive center in Dubois to see wildlife first, and check out the museum there too. The museums offer tours of the petroglyphs, the sheep traps, and more. Then you gotta eat at the Cowboy Cafe in town for a mix of locals and tourists. If at the restaurant in October, wear camo and an orange hat or you will stand out like a sore thumb he he. If you wear your yoga pants they will know you are an out of towner….Also check out Tom Lucas’ art shop. He’s a hoot, with wonderfully made merchandise and he used to live in the Wind River Reservation and he has self taught himself how to make bows from Sheep Horns!!!

  9. Nice to see a solve that’s not in Yellowstone.
    I like your interpretation as it shows some imagination..looking forward to the rest of the story ..IMO, of course. .

  10. I do admire the work others have put into the search. I can see you have the same passion that me and other long time searchers have . When I put out ” A different way of looking at the clues” on Dals blog, “July, 2017 ) ? ……I met an array of skeptics. Thank you for sharing. The whole poem , “I.M.O. ” , is a play on words, hence the ball of string story. String is “twine”. It was in side, ” inter twine” and the postman was a “letter carrier”…..So like butterfly-flutterby, I believe what Forrest is saying is “Letter carry and intertwine”. “Bring a sandwich and a flashlight” . Y is it , “Y Taos” is White House (Casa Blanca). YS and Which …Flash light becomes Ash Flight, (Tea with Olga ). Maybe these ideas can fill those thoughts that find you indecisive on a sentence . Thanks again for sharing

    • Seattle – from my point of view, I think that Forrest is MUCH more direct. The “Ball of Twine” store to me is just that – take a ball of twine with you to can measure from one spot to the next once you reach that point in the solve. Twine is light-weight and as accurate as a big heavy 100′ tape measure. Knots in rope story says break the length of string into segments (10′ or 25′) for easy measurement. K.I.S.S. with me being the stupid one.

      Forrest has said that searchers have been within 500′ and 200′. IF you are at a place that is a landmark of some kind, and you think that maybe you are close – why not measure and see if it falls within these parameters? Makes sense to me.

      I personally think that Forrest has left other hints about certain distances from certain objects – but that is just me. So far, taking measurements has helped me get closer – I think – JMO – JDA

  11. Thrillseeker-
    I am aware of Warm Spring Creek and Little Warm Spring Creek. They run easterly and fairly parallel to one another. Both find the Wind River.

    A third Warm Spring Creek? Don’t know about that one…

    The Wind River is a southeasterly run downstream eventually passing through Riverton and later on joins the witness protection program under the name Bighorn River…and changes direction to the north looking for the Yellowstone River.

    • Well, Wayne, we are waiting for your Yellowstone solve. There have been many in the past – all you have to do is a bit of research to dig up one that you like 🙂 – JDA

  12. JDA,
    Understood, this isn’t a Dot Island solve.
    I was missing one of my IT’s.
    I may have found IT.
    We shall see.


    • Thanks Windy City. I think part 3 that is about the blaze is the best with lots of pictures too, so hang in there especially for that. I apologize in advance for the length of it all but I’ve been working on it for over 3 years.

  13. Lana,
    Great imagination and research. The idea of a “Vision Quest” is very intriguing and well worth keeping in mind. I believe Rock or Rocks will play a part in the eventual solve to FF poem. Thank you for your input into this amazing “Thrill of the Chase”.
    Looking forward to the next episode.

  14. Oh Lana,
    You have caused my heart to skip a beat by tribal dancing circles all around my last year of digging. I am absolutely into the sheepeater or crow aspect of this chase. An eagle pit or vision quest site being found in close proximity to where lines cross on a map would be, imo, a literal gold mine!

    Thank you for the affirmation.
    Anxious for part 2.
    Smoky 🙂

    • Yay Smoky – “Riches new and old” in the Sheepeater way of life! Good luck to you.

  15. Awesome solve Lana ! My “wise” interpretation dances around artifacts as well, though I lean toward a sheltered overhang sporting the blaze, and where wise old chiefs may rest with a glorious view of their home.

    • I like that picture you created in my mind of a chief in an overhang overlooking his pueblo or home. Very nice.

  16. Lana,

    I liked some of your thoughts, it was a interesting read. You mentioned four books in your research, don’t you think that is specialized knowledge? I believe strongly that the words in the poem were for the average Joe or Redneck. This does go beyond [paraphrasing] that all one needs is the poem and a good map and comprehensive knowledge of geography, (ie… be able to read a map.

    I understand that F is very much into artifacts of native people and early conflicts, I can understand why you went with the Vision Quest because of F’s interests. I’m impressed with your research and imagination.

    Sorry for being blunt, that’s just me, a carry over from my past lifes work.

    Just Say’n

    • Yep, those books are specialized knowledge for sure. I’ve tried for over 3 years with the poem and a map and couldn’t find the treasure, others have tried for over 8 years, so I took it upon myself to grab bananas to broaden my field of knowledge. Don’t you go unnecessarily apologizing Charlie, I admire blunt – I always know where I stand with people like that and I appreciate the honesty and the courage. Somewhere on Part 1 or 2 I replied to someone with concerns similar to yours showing them how a 3 year old could solve it….I wish I had that to copy and past to you now.
      I wonder what was your past life’s work.

    • great read loved your detail spent the night in duboise across from the jackalope might warent further investigation but that elev gets in the way and lack of properties that must surround you good job loved the art you found i walked a few creeks neer by and a bull was around im thinking nm really but Wyoming is scattered with history

  17. If you don’t mind could you tell me where you found that nigh is the left side of a steam when going down stream.


    • Mark,
      I would gather the idea is, one usage for Nigh, means; left side

      The other idea is; following the “flow” of the water, the left bank is on your left… going against the flow the left bank is on your right.
      If the the line; “The end is ever drawing nigh” refers to a creek.. the “end” would be it’s destination, down from it source – the flow direction… So, ‘down’ gives the flow, left [nigh side] give the left bank side of the creek.
      If the flow is south looking at ‘a map’… the left side [nigh side] of the creek [bank] is now on your right.

      LOL, I hope that is what was meant… otherwise I’m completely lost.

      • Thanks Seeker, for helping to answer that one. I believe I read that in either Journal of a Trapper or a Lewis and Clark book (it was a side note I believe). I’ll try to find the annotation and reply to this if I have time to find it.

  18. Thanks for the answer. I see how you thought that out and it is good.
    I wouldn’t mind if you find the time to relate a text that states that thought.
    I am not going to take your information without giving something back to think about.
    In the poem the line, The end is ever drawing nigh;
    Is between, From there it’s no place for the meek,
    (Where according to the poem you are heading in the canyon down
    or down stream.
    The line after, There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
    Suggest now you are going up stream.
    So you can see why I asked the question.
    Is it nigh where there is no place for the meek?
    Or nigh when you have no paddle up your creek?


    • Mark,
      In this solve, nigh is “from here it’s no place for the meek”. “There’ll be no paddle up your creek” in this particular solve to me means don’t go up the creek, there’ll be no reason/need to go up your creek.

  19. But don’t you need to go up the creek to find heavy loads and water high?
    I”m not trying to confuse you, I am just trying to follow the poem.
    In fact when it comes to the poem, I don’t call them solves anymore.
    I call them descriptions LOL. Because after a few BOTG trips I realized I solved nothing.

    TTT. aka (Treasure Tracking Tinner)

    • Mark,
      Sure, if you go up the creek you can find heavy loads and water high. Since I put in below the home of Brown which was on the right side going up the creek (nigh side) there was no need go paddle up the creek.

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