Pike’s Stockade…

November, 2018

By Amanda

 

This solve is mostly on private property so you will have to get permission from the owners to go in there. And that doesn’t mean they will let you. To do that you will have to either knock on some doors to figure out who the owner is or go to the assessor’s office.  I have only driven by and stopped on the county road stayed in my car to get my bearings but I do not suggest doing that. It is a good solve to look at in Google earth.

 

As I have (sieve) gone alone (lone, one) in there (hare-rabbit)
And (end) with my treasures (miter) bold (bowled),
I can keep (keap) my secret (seek ret) where (hare, weir),
And hint (indent) of riches new and (wand) old.

Begin it (ginnett ) where (weir or hare) warm waters halt (military term for rest)
And take (tack it like a sail boat) it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too (24) far to walk.
Put in below (be low) the home (ohm) of Brown (round).

From there it’s (rets) no place for the meek (meeke), (lacet?)
The end is ever (sever) drawing (a draw) nigh (nye);   
There’ll be (reel) no paddle (pattle) up your creek (the act of walking in shallow water),

Just heavy (juiste) (V) loads and (sand) water high.

 If you’ve been (bean) wise (wisen) and found the blaze (Z) (belays, Belize),
Look (loke) quickly down, your quest (stow, west?) to cease (cees),
But tarry (ute ) scant (secant) with marvel gaze (gaize) (V),

Just take (stake or tack) the chest and (stand) go in peace

So (sow soe) why (Y) is it that I (tie) must go (geo)
And leave (levee) my trove (rove) for all to seek (secant?)
The answers I (eye) already (reedy or red) know,
I’ve done it tired (tiered, tied or red)(McIntyre springs), and now I’m weak ( weck) and barely visible).

So (sow, soe) hear me (heme or army arm, mall) all and (land) listen (list) good (goode),
Your effort (reef)(fort)will be worth (bow or earth) the cold (cole or col).
If you (hue) are brave and (ravine) in the (dent)(hue) wood (woad)
I give you (ute) title (tittle) to the gold (geo, heg or toggle).

 Look on a map and you will see the following NEAR the fort (Pikes Stockade)( army) at 24 and Y (24 too far to walk) roads 24 south as it veers left and ends (a loke OR THE END). The Conejos river (meaning rabbit) meandering river and all the agriculture associated with the valley such as growing the grain for Coors beer (wizen).  Growing beans cabbage (cole) with cows and steak.  Cutting hay. Also a lot of tarry scant (grease wood).  In winter you want to be n the other side so you don’t have to cross the freezing river. Follow road V out of Sandford CO go left on W it is a paved one lane road.  You will see saddleback mt and once you cross the Conjeos River look to the left.  The Sierro del Ojioto just a small hill is not impressive as it is no more than a sand pit (geo, white gaize) that is the blaze as it gazes up with it’s eyes about the size of small swimming pool with another weird looking eye.  You can see it from the road.  There are no trespassing signs everywhere so you have to ask the owner.(Google map view not in satellite mode) you will see 2 large Cs looks a lot like the omegas but only in map mode. One is in the circle of irrigation crops. I drove by several times and thought what a yucky place but to each his own.

WWWH is the warm spring at McIntire Springs where it goes into the cold Conjeos river an archeology dig at near sierra del ojito (small hill) yielded several things including writing (tarry scant)(see link at bottom of page)  so the hill is the home of the Brown the Ute many arrowheads also were found hence all the references to arrows in the poem. Pikes Stockade contained a pvt. john brown and sgt meek was one of his pikes men (don’t know if meek made it over there though. Near Sanford (sand) near sierra del ojito (eyes and dents sand) near saddleback mt (col – the lowest point of a ridge or saddle) near Lassuas meaning reedy N of V road.

  1. Solve 1. Sierro del Ojito This is private property so I assume either the first house or the one further back are the owners I do not know.  So again ask first. Should be in the irrigation ditch (you have to go in there put yourself in)directly below the white eye aka the blaze behind the trailer house and before the river to the north (just a round pile of sand) oyos you can see it in map quest it is in the shape of a V.  A newer ditch than the others. I am thinking it is at the corner where it changes direction in a mitre 90 degrees the corner but anywhere along that ditch might have to follow it back toward the spring or the other way.  It looks like other ditches are around too so it may be in one of the other ones too. If its in one of the older ditches I would think it would be closer to the sand pit. It should be barely visible however it has been several years so if one has a metal detector you could go faster. I assume there is a little water in the big v shaped ditch but maybe not during the winter. I don’t know if it involves a rope and spike but fyi in case I may be off on that . If you go in summer many rattlesnakes beware no place for the meek. Also means you can’t plow there. 
  1. Solve 2. Start at the end of 24 road by pikes stockade. Will have to cross the river (walk barefoot through shallow water) unless you start on the other side if its winter North of Saddleback Mt in There is a small dam (weir or levee) in the shape of a V.  Cross the river. There is a large irrigation reel tiered (water high and heavy loads with a generator )(ret-watering). Irrigation makes a loud sound (hear me).could be described as a Secant with a wand, there should be a small ravine a draw, a geo with red hew tint probably oxidized metal ore–the (heme iron stained reef or metallic looking if not red) blaze near some trees perhaps a dry stream where the treasure will be barely visible. Might be some muddy water near might be in a dent. Possibly a generator or electric near supplying the irrigation or near where the water source.  Might mean belays or stakes tied to something. Might find the treasure right in there.
  1. Solve 3. Might be in the warm spring (soe a warm bucket also means warm, rope) or a bucket like thing like a well or a trough or a bucket under a windmill. Very near one of the arms..Look for tin, lid, projecting part of something, toggle a stake, a tine, stand or rope. A soe might be in McIntyre spring There is one tree near the spring and a dam. Lots of white rock around

I initially thought that the whole san luis valley was wwwh as it is a closed basin and mt Blanca was the blaze as you can see it from the whole valley.

Tittle-small part of something or the dot above a j or i. or teat as in bird or nib-small pointed projecting part

Rove-meander or a sliver of cotton fiber drawn out (rope?) and slightly twisted for preparing to spin or a small metal place or ring or Rove-archery term

Marble gaize-white rock

Geo-small fiord or gulley

Bellow-roar

Nye-flock of birds

Wizen-grain for making beer

Miter bisecting 90 degrees or like mitre tapering to a point in front or back a v

Belays-spike of rock used for tying off a rope or the rope

Keap-concerning agriculture

Weck-weck grain for bread

Ginnet- mule

Billow-spiral

Weir-low dam across river

Juiste-right extended piece

Pattle-small spade to get dirt off plough

Onan-type of generator

Reef- a metalliferous mineral deposit especially one that contains gold

Stow-deposit

Friche-fallow land

Loke-dead end lane

Velga-meadow

Heg-a barrier that serves to enclose an area,

Lacet- knot on a rope

Mall-a sheltered walk or promenade.

Woad=yellow flower scrub ragwort

 

http://legacy.historycolorado.org/sites/default/files/files/OAHP/Programs/PAAC_PikeStockade_Survey_Report_nomap.pdf

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pikes+Stockade+(replica)/@37.2809337,-105.8349851,14.25z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xec515ac32dfdcdc!8m2!3d37.2940897!4d-105.8103501

see the two horseshoe shaped water areas or oxbows

 

 

 

 

 

41 thoughts on “Pike’s Stockade…

  1. That’s great that u have a solve. Wasn’t that fun to think of one. Not sure what some of those words mean that u put in place. Anything is possible. 🙂

  2. I just started saying the poem using my okie drawl kinda like a texan, and those words and many more showed up. I was familiar with some of them but had to use the dictionary that had the old words still in it. I live on a farm so mostly agriculture terms. I figure it is mostly my imagination. But its fun.

  3. My great grandfather, Samson, was a stevedor. The job was a stiff one. He used to paint sunrise to keep his spirits up. I know because he passed them down the line.
    Anyway, I only bring it up because one of his paintings was of an area not far from this solve. Pretty cool.

  4. No shortage of imagination. Just a tad overcooked.
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
    Private property?
    Loke-dead end lane
    I’m going to see my shrink now.

    • What a detailed overactive imagination! What a solve but I think your messing with the poem!
      I’ll also need to see someone over this line of thinking!
      Thanks for the effort, now I’m really confused!

  5. Nice wordplay and resulting solution. I think it is valuable to listen to FF pronounce certain words and phrases, and of course he even instructs us to “listen good”. I’m personally not a fan of private property solutions, but the San Luis Valle has a special place in my heart and is full of mystery and solitude. Good luck in the Chase, Amanda.

  6. Maybe a longshot but those irrigation circles sure bring to mind,…..what are the post mark circles representing. Just a thought

  7. Thanks for sharing, Amanda. I appreciate the effort you took to try and root out some double entendres that may be buried in the poem. I’m not sure about the search-area that it led you to though. This is a broad valley that I would not consider to be in the Rocky Mountains for one, and for two it is quite close to the Rio Grande, which we now know to be outside of consideration. No need to bother the owners of this private property, imho.

  8. the oxbows look like omegas and cees
    Sorry about all that rambling in my solve i should have just put down where i thought it was.was thinking out loud I do think the solve will be found near a native american dig,petroglyph or sacred site. and perhaps a halt or encampment where military were. I think it will be in southern colorado or n new mexico. I think he was home and drove in one day to the site. i think it is in shallow water somewhere.
    I think certain lines of the poem were formed around one word.
    I think FF put in these hints while the total poem is the step by step direction
    pretty hard to do just try and do it yourself
    going to focus on southern colorado.

  9. It looks like an interesting place to visit. A nice day trip from Santa Fe, NM. I have driven through the valley many times on my way to the mountains. I am sure that FF said that he had hidden the box in the mountains. So, you may have to go in that direction. Points of interest to the east are places named Santa Fe. Something that has made searchers wonder if FF was referring to one of those other Santa Fe’s when he said to go north of the place named for that.
    …or not…it’s just my guess right now.

  10. Forrest has stated that Santa Fe is Santa Fe, New Mexico. I had a Pikes Stockade solve. I was tempted to climb “in there”. There are lots of rattlesnakes around and the creek was pleasant. The whole Pike story with Meeker and men’s expeditions stories are fun to explore. I don’t believe f would have placed Indulgence on private property, just putting in my two cents. Good work on your part. As I recall, there was another searchers solve for Pikes Stockade. Maybe, Pikes Peak is part of the solution, tol.

  11. On the comment about u didn’t think it was there because it wasn’t in the mountains. Would u say the same about the Arkansas river valley as many go there? Just wondering what everyone’s take is on what the Rocky mts mean to them? I take it as if its in the map go. This particular solve I posted was above 7000 ft and was not on a mt. Some of my others are in canyons within or near mts.
    It could be on gov land near the fort I do not know how far that extends.
    The other question I pose is federal land is highlighted on the map but state owned land is not. As a cartographer I felt it was due to the size of the map and too many tracts as why it wasn’t included.

    • There are several points of interest along the Arkansas River. It is in the mountains from my understanding. The San Luis Valley is so big and wide that I can’t define it as in the mountains. I want to look for the treasure in a canyon, in the silent mountains.

  12. Amanda , what is so interesting to me about the San Luis Valley as a point of reference, is the fact that so many creeks run into it, some might mean no paddle others fence in the Great Sand Dunes Nat’l Monument, but most importantly is the Rio Grande River turns due west from there and Highway 285 tongue in cheek 8.25 code noSF, and the first of the Colorado 14’s overlook this beautiful place.

    Part of your solve is very plausible, up to Drawing nigh; but ?? Private Property is where you are leaving the Poem IMO.

    TT

    • The SLV is an endorheic basin…a closed water system. The creeks, particularly in the northern reaches of the valle, flow out of the mountains and disappear immediately into the aquifer/basin. There is some surface water (ponds and wetlands) but it is scant. Great birdwatching too. Right?…I know!!!

      • Yep, Sandy (for the most part – south of Center, the Rio Grande drains it).

        And it makes Saguache Creek a *really* interesting bit of hydrology, in chase map terms.

        (The state wildlife marshes south of Saguache itself are great too, but don’t seem to connect to a chase map.)

        Weather permitting, we’ll be making that drive next week to hook up in Durango with our daughters for Thanksgiving.

        Jake

        • Jake .. do or did your daughters attend Fort Leisure errr….Fort Lewis College? I wonder if our daughters know each other? It would be weird if they didnt…DGO is like that. We should get together for coffee or hot chocolate or worse and trade stories about Poo Canyon and endorheic basins. Dal has my email if that sounds good.

          • Hey-O, Sandy!

            The youngest is up on the hill at Club Lewis, just started this fall. Oldest teaches in Californy, the other’s a NPS backcountry ranger but working this season for BLM out of Moab. Till now Durango’s just been a gas stop to/from Chaco or Cortez/Comb Ridge and beyond.

            Wish we were there for a nice looong weekend (would definitely meet up), but we’re all in on Wednesday and out Friday – just enough time to wreck a bird and sleep it off.

            We used to do a lot of Utah and SW Colorado (armchair archaeology interests + Canyonlands), I hope to pick it back up a bit while the li’l raven’s down there.

            Jake

          • Yes, Jake Durango is an awesome hub. I have spent many many days exploring Cedar Mesa/Grand Gulch/Bears Ears (what’s left of it), Comb Ridge etc etc. Big huge love for SE Utah and the 4 Corners. So many treasurese here. Next time around perhaps.

        • PS bring your skis… Purgatory grand opening next week with the usual white ribbon of death AKA Demon will be open for business.

  13. The area around the fort is government land I don’t know if it is state or federal and I don’t know how far it extends. That is a possibility…..

  14. https://npgallery.nps.gov/pdfhost/docs/NHLS/Text/66000244.pdf

    “Pike’s Stockade lies in an attractive cottonwood grove on the north bank of
    the Conejos River. The replica conforms with Pikes specifications and description with
    three exceptions. To insure permanence oak instead of cottonwood logs were
    used in the construction of the replica. ” It says the state of Colorado owns it and it lies on 4 acres. So it is in the wood……..

  15. Interesting use of different words/sounds, I appreciate that you didn’t just say ‘its here’, the thought process that led you there is the important part (at least here on the blog IMO). That said, I don’t really follow where you started (WWWH), and why this place might be special to Forrest? Also, you owe it to yourself to watch the 2006 interview from the Buffalo Bill museum where he cites the exact mileage he drove to get to Cody…in other words we know he drove far, alone, more than a few times. I do not subscribe to the ‘he must have stayed close to Santa Fe’ logic, all IMO. Good luck in the chase.

    • Buddy;

      What do you mean by “completely butcher the poem”? I see no evidence of people butchering the poem. I see people examining the poem, I see people interpreting aspects of the poem, I see no evidence of people butchering the poem. Can you please explain your statement? – JDA

  16. I assure you the poem is intact and I certainly did not intend to offend anyone on the contrary. On the surface the poem reads like a child’s treasure hunt that is left alone and the steps are to be followed. However, being a wise colorful person Mr. Fenn has introduced us to a world of hints, illusions and overtones. I get the initial poem. I began where WWH followed the canyon down…put in below the home of the Brown..and so forth. I wanted to try something different as nothing else has worked; we are all still looking are we not? All I tried to do was introduce possibilities with archaic words. None of them may be right, some of them may be correct. It is not for anyone to say except the person who finds the treasure. As for myself it has brought me many hours of amusement and time to not think about all the horrific things going on in the world. It has also taken me out into the beauty of God’s creation. So don’t be offended just enjoy the chase.

    • I definitely enjoyed reading your solve Mosby123 and was not offended in the slightest. I appreciate any and all ideas on the chase so that hopefully next spring I will feel inspired. Good luck in the chase Mosby!

  17. Upthread, Buddy Allen wrote: “Is there any part of this solve that does not completely butcher the poem? … Messing with the poem”.

    Let’s say that in the near future, someone finds the chest, and word gets out that the chest was found at location X; Forrest confirms the location and then he describes the correct interpretation of the poem’s clues.

    Here’s what I see happening. No matter where X is, no matter what the clues mean to Forrest, there will be multiple searchers who complain that in previous years Forrest said such-n-such that clearly ruled out location X, and/or the correct interpretation of the poem violates something Forrest had previously said, verbally.

    The fact of the matter is that for every single locational solution … there will be something about that location that searchers find violates some presumed word or phrase in the poem or violates some verbal statement Forrest has made.

    I don’t see how it could be otherwise. I foresee a LOT of angry searchers, people who spent tons of money, enormous time and effort, only to discover that the actual location X (and the clues) were logically inconsistent.

    This inconsistency is not deliberate, in my opinion. But I do think that searchers take Forrest’s comments way too literally; searchers do not seem to allow for different, subtle differences in his verbal messages.

    As the above relates to the current solution of Pikes Stockade, I, personally, would have multiple reasons not to pursue this solution, but I would never completely dismiss it, owing to my presumption that “messing with the poem” can mean different things to different people … including Forrest.

    Ken (in Texas)

    • I kind of wish people didn’t take him so literally as Forrest would probably have posted more over the years. My motto is that outside the book it shouldn’t narrow your solve (unless it was a safety message).

      • Here is a nice thought. One possible beauty and magic of a revision is that Forrest would then be free to sit beside a river or pond or creek with his fly rod at the ready, while speaking and writing freely of all the things he dared not say before the search ended. I don’t know about you, but I’m not sure Forrest realized that he would “lose his voice” so to speak given searchers’ exuberance for his every word.

        Perhaps he’d even have a conversation, writing, cooking, and fishing companion with whom to contemplate the really important things in life, like why on earth anyone would consider a flower a weed, and why ladybugs stay close to their hine and why a trout likes a fly tied just so.

  18. Fun to see how everyone’s brains spins in different directions The ole coot must get a real kick out of all of us and our imaginations he may not of gotten everyone off the couches but he got everyone brain working lol and boosted the sells of Advil and crazy meds lol

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