Through the Looking-Glass…

January, 2019

By Jonas

 

 

I’ve been fighting with this puzzle for more than a week now. I know that isn’t a long time for some of you in the chase community but I’m a very impatient man and must get rid of the itching an unsolved problem cause. I chose to make this public on HOD since I’m a Swedish resident and do not intend to go and get the treasure and I’m not sure I’ve legally could claim it if I wanted to. Before I present my solution I would like to express my gratitude to Mr Forrest Fenn – thank you sir, it’s been a thrill. Given my solution is right you are surely a genial architect. So here we go (I will try to keep it short).
The equivocal mirror solution.

Since I’ve first saw the poem I was sure the first paragraph is about losing yourself in the world of literature and art. I know Forrest Fenn said the purpose of the chase was to get out in the wild but I think that’s only half of it the other half is about educate yourself. A sort of body and life harmony in life and thereby the mirrored solutions.

I will reference the ”Wildlife reflection” as ”a)” and the ”Mind reflection” as ”b)”.
”Begin it where warm waters halt”

Using basic physics. Water, when heated rises and halt on the surface. First I was interpreting this as ”at the top” but I now know that it is the ”surface”.

a) Surface Creek by the Yellowstone River
b) Two Mile Reservoir outside Santa Fe (from now on this is what gives me the distance)
”And take it in the canyon down,”

a) Follow the Canyon (2 miles straight line)
b) Follow Canyon Rd (2 miles straight line)
”Not far, but to far to walk.”

a) I havet o get to the other side of the river
b) ” If Paris wasn’t so far away” (The Golden Road, L M Montgomery 1913). Paris, Texas is the birthplace of the Brown I am heading to.
”Put in below the home of Brown.”

”And then ‘mome raths’?” said Alice. “If I’m not giving you too much trouble.”
“Well a ‘rath’ is a sort of green pig, but ‘mome’ I’m not certain about. I think it’s sort for ‘from home’–meaning that they’d lost their way, you know.”

(Through The Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll 1871)
a) Lookout Point were Grafton Tyler Brown painted ”View of the Lower Falls, Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone” 1890
b) The Irby Brown Gallery in Santa Fe
Jumping past a couple of lines in the poem since they don’t take me any further.

”There’ll be no paddle up your creek,”

a) Alum Creek (3 miles straight line)
””I wonder if it’s where we buried it yet,” Speculated Felix.
”I put a stone over it, just as we did over Pat,” said Cecily”
(The Golden Road, L M Montgomery 1913)

This is where you go if ”you’ve been wise” (Bring a sandwich a flashlight)

b) Santa Fe Public Library, La Fargo Branch (3 miles straight line)
””I read it in a book”, said Alice.”
(Through The Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll 1871)

This is were you go to get wise (Bring a sandwich and a flash lamp –  to burn the midnight oil)
Again, thank’s for the thrill!

-Jonas

 

 

 

 

 

56 thoughts on “Through the Looking-Glass…

  1. Lol I can tell you only put a week into it. I have no idea what I just read. But I do like the stone idea.
    This summer will be 6 years for me, and yes I’m a tad slow in my thinking process. Ha ha ha.
    It’s my age. 🙂

  2. Well, I am certain that you got at least one thing in here right Jonas (I will not say exactly what that is as it’s too good to point out)…however, the rest of your solve has tied my mind in knots and hurt my brain a tad. If you have a final location you want me to check out for you, I’ll be heading to the area before July…so just let me know if I can help.
    Thanks, tomtom

    • I can’t be more specific but try the wood!

      “They are the most friendly things in God’s good creation,” said Uncle
      Blair emphatically. “And it is so easy to live with them. To hold
      converse with pines, to whisper secrets with the poplars, to listen to
      the tales of old romance that beeches have to tell, to walk in eloquent
      silence with self-contained firs, is to learn what real companionship
      is. Besides, trees are the same all over the world.”
      The Golden Road, L M Montgomery

  3. Two solves in one. Each a reflection to mirror the other.
    If I followed you correctly, the Yellowstone references put the home of Brown at Artist point above the falls. That would follow the Yellowstone River to Gardner.
    The Santa Fe references put Where Warm Waters Halt at the the Santa Fe city reservoir. Then follows the Santa Fe river. First down Canyon Road, down to the Big Tesuque River.
    These first come to my mind because they are part of popular solutions.
    If you ever make your way out here, they are still very good places to search and explore. IMHO.

    • I believe there is two treasures. One, the chest, in the wods around Alum Creek and the other one, the books” in the library in Santa Fe. I hope I make my way out there some time in my life but I probably would spend my time rockclimbing.

    • they are both full of beauty but i believe the HOb is a little bit more hidden from view i did not see a creek around the fall, but beauty was there. and the rivers are, what appear to be creeks in nm or compared to the rivers in colo with the exception of the Rio grand and we know its not by there or any river because to me a river is not a creek just my two cents thank you for sharing.

  4. When I first bought the book I had the same idea I think it’s in a in a fountain by irbby browns place or a park we’re there is a big old tree

  5. I can fill you in with some of my findings on the way.

    I think FF has given a lot of subtle clues. The “double omega signs” was what convinced me about the mirror solutions.

    The fact that he liked to mix up worlds like “Flutterby” was the hint I needed to go to Through the Looking-Glass and the Jabberwocky poem wich happens to be written in the same stanza ass Fenn’s poem. And children are known to innate linguistic creativity from a young age wich would make them more likely to find the treasure as Forrest Fenn should have stated. A funny thing is that there was another book “Night of the Jabberwook” written by Fredric Brown at the time he was living in Taos, NM.

    Another interesting detail is that, in my opinion, the “alone” word could be a reference to a former (he past away 2012) Santa Fe galleryowner and philanthropist Al Wadle who when he still lived in Florida was the man buying the first pantings from Irby Brown at the time living in Dallas – Al(one). This Al was Honored with a “Santa Fe Living Treasures” award 1999 and is known to have said “I’ve found the secret to eternal life,” he said in a 1999 video for the Santa Fe Community Foundation. “By giving to an endowment, you and our good deeds will live forever.” I think this to could have inspired FF.

    • I think one of the biggest mistakes of this search-community is the construction of general rules out of very specific ATFs… this one clearly belongs to those… The only true and clear rule says: the TC is not associated to a structure…

      Since both words -“associated” and “structure”- are kind of ambiguous in their meanings, I cannot follow anyone who creates a strict rule out of it…

        • Okay, okay, you‘re right, but where does this strict interpretation come from, especially with all that room for other interpretations that‘s left in this ATF?

        • I am asking because I can‘t imagine a solve to this without any man made structure… no streets, bridges, fences, human trails, rock arrangements, parking lots, signs, phone posts, markers etc? The whole thing from first clue to ninth clue (or tenth) would need to be in 100% natural areas and the reference points are all 100% natural as well?

          • To (mis)quote(?) the man himself, “In a word – Yes.”

            As natural as natural can be in this modernized world (that’s an original by me). 🙂

          • TLo

            Just because a road gets you to a location, does that mean the road is part of the solve? Should you cross a walking bridge straddling a creek, does that become part of the solve? If you hike a man-made marked trail to get some place, is that trail a clue?
            Associated; related to, connected to, Identified with, incorporated with…

            The one thing we do know for a fact is; the clues are fenn’s creation.
            They depict what we need to decipher to what they are… that are designed only to lead us to the treasure.
            They are all associated with the treasure… it was their creation purpose to have someone start at a location to get to the treasure’s location.
            Every clue fenn wrote about from start to finish is ‘deliberately’ “associated” in locating the chest.

            If the ‘treasure’ is not ‘associated’ with a structure, and the clues were created only for the discovery of the chest.. they in of themselves can not be a structure. They are the only things connected to, identifiable for, incorporated with, *their sole purpose* ~ for locating the treasure.

            I don’t see anything ambiguous about it.

      • It only the TC that’s not associated to a human structure. IMO the other parts of the poem can be associated to a human structure.

      • ive said it before….everything has structure at the molecular level. so the treasure has structure, you have structure, and i have structure. even structures have structure. does my sentence have structure?

        and besides all that, in Forrest’s actual comment i believe he used the word “it’s”….so what it was he talking about?
        many here would like to believe he was talking about the “treasure chest”. you may do so if you wish.
        i do not. the “it’s”, or the “treasure” in my opinion he was referring to is the great outdoors. as far away from any man made structure you can get. lol

        you gotta keep at it Jonas, hope this helps. most folks here will knock you down but keep going. in the duality thinking, i believe, will lead you to the treasure and the chest.

        but thats my unpopular opinion.

      • Bob Greene ~’ in Forrest’s actual comment i believe he used the word “it’s” ‘
        Molecules aside….

        “No need to dig up the old outhouses, the treasure is not associated with any structure,” {today show 2013}

    • I’m aware that there are some rules that some chasers agreed upon. The thing is that iif you look closely there are no such structures in the ”Wildlife solution” above.

  6. Jonas- excellent! you are a force to be reckoned with.

    “you can fool some of the people some of the time,
    but you cant fool all of the people all of the time.”

    – Harry Houdini

  7. Thanks for sharing, Jonas. I do really like the idea of two areas of the Rocky Mountains mirroring and “singing” to each other as you have described above. It’s a unique perspective that I have not seen before.

    I know that Forrest has written about fine literature before (Catcher in the Rye, Son of the Morning Star, Loom of the Desert, etc.), but I am curious how you focused in particular on Lewis Carroll’s “Through the Looking Glass” and L. M. Montgomery’s “The Golden Road”. Were there any particular statements by Forrest that led you towards these particular titles?

    • That is a question I was wondering about as well, Blex.
      The chapter in the book “important Literature” mentions a couple book and a magazine, but not the books Jonas mentioned.
      I almost dismissed the idea until I though about other mentioned types of literature in the book… including other poems and saying, even quotes from highly respected individuals etc. Is the chapter about literature hinting at other things mentioned in the book as important to think about?
      LOL, a hint to a hint to help with the clues…
      Regardless of where Jonas took his thoughts… some searchers have thought the story of the waterfall and grave markers might mirror the idea of fenn’s special place he calls his own. The mirror concept is not new… but the idea of that chapter has me pondering… why mention “important literature” at all?
      LOL, only now, as I type out my thoughts, another thought popped into my head; The Q&A asking about does fenn ‘in a more subtle way’ hint to wwwh, hob etc.?
      So, should Important literature help with thinking about the solve, for me, it might not be the literature itself, but fenn seeing himself with in it. His mirrored self… are fenn’s stories told of mirroring other’s stories he talks about? And we need to think about how the two relate to a place in the RM’s?

      Ok my head hurts now… I need some cawffee.

    • Thinking further a bit about mirroring this morning, have you considered the chapter “My War for Me” in TOTC? I think that there are some mirroring aspects baked into that chapter; particularly the hidden vale with the grave marker of the French soldier mirroring Forrest’s own chosen location to die/hide the treasure. The chapter even includes a poem that rhymes the words “bold” & “gold” within a quatrain, just like the TOTC poem.

      Perhaps trying to mirror the location of the hidden vale in Vietnam (in place of the Santa Fe area) to the treasure location in the Rockies may be a worthwhile exercise? Forrest does provide some vague information regarding the general area to look for the vale in the book (where he was stationed, the direction he flew, and how long) so it might be possible to find it with enough persistence.

  8. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Jonas. I believe the mirror is something to consider. It seems to have different meanings. In TFTW, Chapter 49, “mirror on my wall,” page 254, is a sketch of Mr. Fenn standing in front of a mirror, yet the image is opposite/reverse in age. Echoes have been mentioned by many. On page 255, Mr. Fenn uses such word in the first paragraph:

    “If you happen to ask my age, I’ll say I’m forty-three with forty years’ experience. That makes people laugh. But more and more the protesting yelp of age echoes around my body, making it difficult to continue denying the norm. Never before have I been called upon to live within such unreasonable dictates of nature.”

  9. If you mean the library on Llano st it’s the La Farge branch. Why do you fee that one is significant when Santa Fe has 9 public libraries?

  10. “The only mirror I need is the one in my bedroom and I must say I look as lovely as ever. But do continue with your line of thinking my Swedish friend. I do appreciate your sincere efforts and do cheer you on in your pursuit. Thank the Lord though that you are so far off I can rest in peace knowing that I shall find the chest first, having bribed the right people for answers. All the best to you and godspeed!”

    —Queen Elizabeth

      • Didn‘t you watch when Queen E was talking on all the most important channels worldwide? It was live from Westminster… should have seen it!!!

        • I beg your pardon for asking, Your Highness, but your Cryer oft doesn’t go outside the gates to spread your wise words. I’ll remand back to the Great Royal Forest now and thank Your Majesties for her beneficence in allowing me to move stones and eat grub untaxed.

  11. Jonas, I apologize. Dal obviously found your solve interesting. And I obviously shouldn’t let my fingers do the talking after to many brewskys. We all have to start somewhere.

  12. Thanks Jonas.

    I think you can make at least one trip. It sounds like you’ll get to see Yellowstone if you don’t find the treasure at the library first.

  13. ’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
    Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
    All mimsy were the borogoves,
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze.

  14. I make an attempt to answer questions here in summary form. When I put a puzzle, I sometimes find myself with a puzzle piece in my hand staring down at the table and wondering where that bit fits. On the other hand, I find myself as often in a situation where I stare at the pile of puzzle pieces and try to find the bit that fits the gaping hole in the puzzle.

    I, like most others, thought of Forrest Fenn as an eccentric millionaire who hid a treasure. But the more I read about him, the more he appeared as a modern renaissance man with a purpose. When I couldn’t follow the clues in nature and find a purpose, I had to rethink. What defines a renaissance man – yes it is a human being who is engaged in several different areas. Literature, art, physics, technology and adventure in the wilderness are common areas for such a man. When I thought about how I think FF would like to be remembered by the posterity, the renaissance man appeared as a better choice than an eccentric millionaire.

    Although the purpose for most people looking for the treasure is to find it, I think FF had a greater purpose in hiding it.

    There was someone who said that cultivation is what you have left when you forget everything you learned. It is often so I feel when I help my children with their homework, old. So if you ask me which specific line in a book that got me in that way, I can’t answer. It is more of a feeling or an underlying idea that takes me in a certain direction.

    But, how is that supposed to be the same for a thousand years? Who knows what lasts for a thousand years? Sadly, I think that, with the life we live and how this affects our environment, a book, good or bad, is a more likely survivor for a thousand years than trout or grizzly bears.

    Finally, I wish everyone the best of luck in the pursuit of your truth. I know that everything will be up to everyone’s interpretation until someone finds the treasure. I am convinced that what is puzzling today will seem obvious when the treasure is found.

    “That’s enough to begin with”, Humpty Dumpty interrupted: “there are plenty of hard words there. ‘Brillig’ means four o’clock in the afternoon–the time when you begin broiling things for dinner.”

    Through The Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll

    • I agree. I think the Chase is more than just a fun treasure hunt. It is an educational and transformational experience that teaches us about ourselves, each other, and our place in the world. The person who finds Indulgence will be someone who comes to understand what things are important to Forrest, why those things are important to him, and how to think about things the way he thinks about things. When you arrive at the end of the clues, you will not only find a bronze chest full of gold and a beautiful place to die, but you will find yourself thinking, “Okay, Forrest. I get it now. I finally get it.” To understand the Chase is to understand Forrest’s world, and to learn what he is trying to teach us about it. If you can’t do that, you’re just playing Canasta, or perhaps croquet with the Queen of Hearts.

      I was rereading “My War For Me” in TOTC last night for maybe the 10th time. For some reason, I had a much stronger emotional reaction to it than I had previously, and it put me on a completely new line of thinking (or feeling) about several clues and hints.

  15. It is by going down into the abyss that we recover the treasures of life. Where you stumble, there lies your treasure.

    – Joseph Campbell

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