To The Gold…

February, 2019

By John (Crazy Fox)


First of all, let me state that the following is all just my opinion on where to find the treasure.  Also, I want to say that my solve was only made possible by all the brave people out there who are willing to share ideas.  So thank you all.  Thanks to Dal for hosting this site and a very special thank you to the man himself, who got me hooked on his fishing line, Forrest Fenn.

I enjoy watching nature documentaries and recently watched a documentary about the four seasons of Yellowstone.  Spring, summer, fall and winter.  Winter is especially tough in Yellowstone and the great bison struggle to survive the cold, harsh environment.  But then spring comes and life is renewed and the cycle continues.  I think this transition from winter to spring is important in understanding the poem.

Begin it where warm waters halt.  From the documentary, I learned that everything freezes in Yellowstone except the Firehole River.  The Firehole River runs north where it meets the Madison River.  The warm waters of the Firehole River run into the Madison River where the waters freeze (or halt).  Waters is plural because the Firehole splits right before it meets the Madison.  We don’t need to know a specific pin-point location, but more of a general area of where to start this search.  So, where the Firehole River meets the Madison River is my warm waters halt.


Since the waters freeze, this indicates that we are in wintertime at the beginning of the poem.  Wintertime is symbolic of death and spring is symbolic of new life.  Death and new life are reoccurring themes in my search for the treasure.  Think of a forest fire…the pine trees burn and are destroyed but the pine cones are heated up enough to reseed the forest and start life anew.

Note: I’m not very articulate, so for clarity I’m trying to keep this story short and as simple as possible. 

And take it in the canyon down.  To me, it simply means follow the downstream flow of the Madison River, west through the canyon.  I think Begin it where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down is probably the first clue, but I never really tried to count clues and I’m not doing so in this story.  If anything, I think all the lines are clues.

Not far, but too far to walk.  In my opinion, this just means we’re driving now because it’s simply too far to walk.  But how far do we go? Not very far, but we have to continue west on the highway until we know where to “put in” (or park).  There has to be something that let’s us know how far to go.


Put in below the home of Brown.  If we’re heading west on the highway, the Madison River will be on your left hand side (or south of the higway). 


All of the examples in The Thrill of the Chase (TTOTC) refer to brown as a color.  I’ve heard people suggest that Brown Trout is what the brown is referencing.  I think this makes a whole lot of sense, since Forrest is an avid fly-fisherman and was a fishing guide in his younger days and the Madison is world-famous for its Brown Trout.  We are in our car traveling west and we are north (or above) the home of Brown (the Madison River).  So, we keep going until we are below (or south) of the river.

Remember the story about Forrest flying above Philadelphia and he stuck his thumb in front of his eye covering the whole area?  As we come through the canyon, there will be a valley on your left that kind of looks like a thumb.  At the northwest corner of the valley there is an overpass where the highway crosses over the river and there is a horseshoe-shaped parking area right after the overpass.  If we park there, we are now at the home of Brown because we are now south (or below) the river.  If people figured out the first two clues but not the home of Brown, then I could see how they would easily go right past this quietly forgotten area. 



Okay, before we proceed let’s take a look at the double omegas, because we passed those along the way.  Omega means the end and…death.  Two omegas equal two deaths.  In the chapter My War For Me in TTOTC, Forrest writes about Operation Arc Light when he was shot down and the bombs dropped in rapid succession after he had parachuted down.  He says “I experienced what was perhaps the most terrifying event of my life”.  And “the noise blasted me to my core”.  “The roar was so traumatic I felt that if it happened again I might not survive”.  And “I am convinced that thousands of animals, human and otherwise, were killed in Vietnam by sound alone”.  When Forrest got cancer he was given only a 20% chance to live.  Thank God Forrest didn’t actually die either time, but I’m sure he felt like he was going to die these two times in his life.  So for me, the two omegas represent these two events in his life when he thought it was the end for him.  Symbolic deaths if you will.  We have two omegas so we have two ends.  What is the end of the end…a new beginning?


Okay, let’s go back to the home of Brown and figure out no place for the meek.


In TTOTC, the chapter No Place For Biddies, the biddies say “he’d run away from home but he’s not allowed to cross the street”.  Forrest didn’t say anything out loud to the biddies because he was meek.  But instead said to himself, “I could cross the dumb street anytime I wanted to”.  So, from the home of Brown we cross the highway on foot, into the wooded area.  But how can it be in a place like this valley?  The place is so exposed and people and park rangers would see you in there and you’d get in trouble if caught.  Is that why we need a flashlight?  Are we supposed to sneak in there at night or something?

The end is ever drawing nigh;  The end of winter is drawing near in our poem and I think Forrest used the semicolon to signify the transition from winter to spring.  Also, nigh meaning to the left, gives us the direction that we will head toward the river and creek on our left.

There’ll be no paddle up your creek.  To me, it means we are not going up the creek.  This next part is where imagination is really more important than knowledge.  In the strange Scrapbook 116, Forrest posts about images that he can see in his shower tiles.  This effect is known as pareidolia.  An example would be the famous face on Mars that people think they see.  I have found pareidolia images as well in this valley.  I see a bird, a duck, a mountain lion’s face, but the ones I want to focus on are the phone, the alligator and the leaping frog (front view) with paddle feet.  The frog reminds me of the frog Forrest placed in the chest with the large “paddle” feet.  I’ve drawn these pareidolia images so they’re easier to see.  The first one is the easiest to see…the phone.




Now, see if you can spot these in the landscape of the valley.



Pic15The alligator has one of the frog’s paddle feet clenched in his jaw.  Hence, no paddle up your creek.  Hope that made sense.


So, no paddle up your creek, JUST across the river.  If we’re standing on the bank, looking across the river, we see the phone on the other side.  Does Forrest really want us to cross the river?  When I actually thought the chest was hidden in here, I read the lines So hear me all and listen good, Your effort will be worth the cold.  HEAR ME ALL?!!!…on this giant phone!!!  So that gives us the crossing point…where the river is narrowest by the phone’s receiver.  Your effort will be worth the cold…meaning the cold water.  I think there’s more than one meaning to lines in the poem and I’m not going to go into all of them.  Just heavy loads and water high.  If it’s springtime now in our poem, the heavy loads are the snow-pack and the water high is the spring runoff.

Forrest talked about the time when he was in Laos and had to decide whether to try to walk out or call for help.  He decided that it wouldn’t be fair to Peggy if he took months to walk out, so he made the call for help.  To me, the giant phone symbolizes this call for help and he was then saved.  I’m not very articulate but hopefully you’re picking up on the meaning I’m trying to convey.  It’s springtime in the poem now, a chance for renewal of life.

So we’ve been wise and crossed over the river at the right spot and now we’re looking for the blaze, or the correct path.  If we are wise like an owl and see things from above then we can see the blaze.  It’s right next to the phone.  It’s the white, fallen dead tree (symbol of the first “death”).  Now we just need to find the second symbol of death and the two signs of life.  I know you’re probably thinking, how could this possibly be the blaze?  It’s not permanent.  It won’t be there in 100 or 1000 years.  I feel that Forrest wants this treasure found sooner rather than later.


Look quickly down.  Follow the blaze down and it points toward a triangular sandy area.  That triangle is an arrowhead (just like the first arrowhead Forrest found as a small child).  This is the arrowhead that has struck the alligator, saving the frog, giving him new life.

But tarry scant with marvel gaze, just take the chest and go in peace.  If we sneaked into this area then tarry scant would mean don’t dawdle, just take the chest and get the heck out of there before your caught.  But I’ve already stated that I don’t believe the chest is there.  So there must be a deeper or alternate meaning to tarry scant.  Tarry as in tar or something resembling black.  In Tea With Olga (TTOTC) when Olga told Forrest she had cancer, they drank black tea.  I believe the black tea symbolized cancer (or death) and the green tea was symbolic of her new life (after death).  Forrest came back from death after beating cancer, so the double omegas represented the two “deaths” in Forrest’s life, now we’re looking for the green symbols of life.  On the arrowhead, it appears there are two green trees, I  truly believe this is the area where Forrest wanted to rest his bones.  His “bones” are represented by the second fallen tree (on the arrowhead by the trees) and is symbolic of his second “death” by cancer.

Forrest said we would have to use a magnifying glass to read what was inside the bottle.


I found this sign by the double omegas and it’s hard to read and I had to zoom in all the way.  I believe it says…Naturally reseeded by wildfire in 1988.  1988…the same year Forrest was diagnosed with cancer.  I believe this is at least part of the reason why Forrest has said something to the effect of being umbilically tied to this spot.  The wildfire and reseeding is just one more example of death and new life.

Now let’s take a closer look at the comments Forrest made about searchers being within 500 feet and 200 feet of the treasure.


If we take a look at the double omegas (the viewing areas), we see that one of the pullouts is 500 feet wide and the other one is 200 feet wide.  I think this is where the searchers have been.  The treasure is all right in front of us.  There’s no hidden chest filled with gold to find in this area.  The beauty of this special area is our treasure.

Don’t go where a 79/80 year old man wouldn’t go.


One more thing…actually two.  There has to be an “X” marks the spot, right?


If we measure out 200 feet from the “bones” (see first picture above), the red area is the banana.  Can you see it?  Grab every banana you can!

I’ve found our golden frog safe and alive, peeking his head out of the woods and hiding out from the black, shadowy figure holding a large flashlight (more pareidolia images).  If you want to find him in Google Earth, start at the “bones” and measure out 500 feet in the direction of the arrowhead point.

So if we draw lines from the banana and the golden frog the lines intersect at the “bones”.  X marks the spot!

Thanks for reading. Hope you enjoyed.  Like I said, this is just my opinion.  If you think the chest is still out there, then good luck in your searches.  I’ve been typing this up while having the flu and fever so I’m going to go rest now as I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak.  If I get any comments or questions I’ll try to respond eventually.

-John (CrazyFox)






87 thoughts on “To The Gold…

  1. Great solve! Thanks for sharing. I’m focused on Colorado and I’m heading out in March to give it a shot. My third trip!

    • March is not a good time to search most parts of the Rockies that fall within the vast majority of the identified search area. I live near Boulder and will tell you that we are experiencing an ABOVE AVERAGE snowfall and snowpack in the mountains all over Colorado. One of the ski areas has already announced they plan to stay open an extra month.

  2. Hi Crazy Fox;

    Nice writ-up. Good thought processes. Sorry you did not find her – who knows??? Maybe this coming spring. Thanks for posting – JDA

  3. We actually stopped at these two “omegas”
    In YS last summer. I remember thinking it’s a very public place and to get beyond require crossing the river so we didn’t venture past the water line. The Blaze is the only weak point IMO and must mean something else. Great write up! Thanks James

  4. WWWH=water freezes. I like it. Pretty straight forward. Begin it there, then follow the melt flow. I like it. Pretty strainght forward. IMO . Something a kid, a redneck and a NASA engineer together in the same classroom , can all understand the conception in one simple sentence. IMO .

      • I was just intimating the perceptions scales of easy to complex .

        One definition understabdable that is simple for a kid, redneck and also a rocket scientist – wwwh = water freezes;snow or ice on a mountain.

        NASA Engineer = Riocket Scientist

    • I have a question. A kid would understand the concept, but would he know where that happens (which river)? I think that is an important distinction that I haven’t seen mentioned before. A child could answer “well warm water would halt when it touches ice or something very cold…” You then ask him to show you where that phenomenon happens on the map and he has no idea…

      • I believe a kid could find it on a map unless he or she just hasn’t learned about maps yet. Maybe I’m not understanding your question.

  5. With a beautiful theory like this, you are definitely not flying Under the Radar! I hope you will walk with Confidence without getting too cold!
    Best of luck! Thank you!

  6. I think that the biggest problem with solves like this is the use of figures that a river has carved out. The problem being that the shape is completely different from one period of time to the next, even in the image provided, one can see that the river used to take a different course in a now dry scare, worse still, as little as 10 years ago is when it actually did take that different course, (not 100 yrs ago), and this 10 yrs ago is when the poem was written. But of course there was nothing special about that older course either because in 10 years from now the river will take yet another course, obliterating any shapes drawn then or today, This can also be said of just about any water body, including the shoreline of oceans and the shoreline of lakes.

    when you are dealing with water, you are dealing with a wet canvas. 🙂

    it is an untenable way of solving… truly, people should get their heads around that.

  7. Solid solve!! Great job using your imagination. Some similarities to mine. I noticed what looks like a telephone or banana in my area too. Hope one of us can find it this spring!

  8. Nice share.

    If you’re in earshot of those trumpeter swans, a little down stream from he bridge over 191, just south from the flagpole at Madison Junction Info Station you can wander off into that sparse patch of trees and find buffalo hair on the tree bark. Kind magical if you ask me. Go check it out next time you’re there!

  9. IMO the first clue “defines” the “it” you follow? And “it” is something that is too far to walk. Also FF has said that all you need is the original clues and don’t add to it. You used a person serving tea as a solve? And #1 thing yellowstone is not in the mountains north of santa fe”if there are no mountains.there is no box”. X does not mark the spot. X marking the spot is a cartoon idea from the late 40s.

    • King;

      Have you ever been to Yellowstone? If so, how can you say, “yellowstone is not in the mountains north of santa fe” Yellowstone certainly is north of Santa Fe, – Yellowstone is in the Rocky Mountains so, I’m sorry, I do not understand – JDA

      • DIttos JDA
        King, your verbage is a
        real head scratcher.
        Sorry, guess I’m a bit
        slow on the uptake.

    • Forrest said all we need is Clues, Resolve, Imagination. Forrest was a whimsical teenager in his freedom years who liked comic books in the late forties. Forrest has tried to think of everything. WHY wouldn’t there be an X that marks the spot? And I agree with JDA about Yellowstone. Sup buddy! Lol

      • Wonder if ff might be refering to the X as one of the millions around used by nasa to map from the satellites. They are very visible from the air, like when flying. Not so much when walking until right on one. My imagination is careening down a mountain.

  10. I really liked the idea of thinking about water temperatures in wintertime.
    Thanks for sharing, CrazyFox!

  11. John crazy fox, thanks for sharing. I hope you feel better. I agree with some of your ideas and theories, but not all.

  12. I’m just saying that the use of the word, “solve” indicates the poem has been solved. I would say using, “theory” is more practicable. I cringe every time I see the word solve, it just seems awkward to me and when I first see “solve” in the morning, I almost have an heart attack!

  13. Very well written, John (Crazy Fox). You said: “I’m not very articulate …”; nonsense. You have expressed yourself quite well.

    But I don’t much care for your “solve”. It’s a conventional Yellowstone theory. Your clue interpretations are similar to clue interpretations of many other searchers. You admit that “my solve was only made possible by all the brave people out there who are willing to share ideas”. So now I understand why this locational theory sounds so familiar.

    One more point. In your “Canyon Down” paragraph, you state that “… it simply means…”; and in the “too far to walk” paragraph, you state that “… this just means …”. That phraseology, to me, implies a tendency to skip over lines you think are not very important; a way to hurry through the poem to achieve a “solve”, by deflating the significance of some parts of the poem.

    Overall, I think you can do better than this. Would suggest that you rely less on conventional ideas, and start using your own imagination. The Rockies contain a lot of territory unrelated to Yellowstone. Good luck.

    Ken (in Texas) 🙂

  14. My solution is in this area, and I agree to the point of home of Brown, but I need to see it with my eyes to go farther. Your blaze is not mine as hasn’t Forrest stated it cannot be seen from google? I wanted to stay all summer but the cost is above my ability to pay even staying in a bivey bag. I may not make it at all, I’m that guy from Texas but children are grown and my overcoming cancer has left my body pretty much wrecked. I no longe have a truck either but I will keep think and reading and hoping to get there some day. Good luck in your quest.

  15. Thanks for sharing!
    I would not use “and take it in the canyon down” part of the 1st clue seeing Fenn told us what the 1st clue is.
    I would also count clues. We know there are 9.
    The double omegas you speak of do not look like omegas to me and besides, one parking area is much smaller than the other unlike the omegas in his books.
    No lack of imaginations and maps but I don’t think Fenn hid the treasure in such a crowded area and being in Yellowstone National Park scares me.
    Hope you’re feeling better soon…

    • I am generally leaning away from the hidey spot being in Yellowstone for one reason. If you do a search on TarryScant for “established trail”, this quote is in the only result you get (source link goes back to Mysterious Writings):

      FF: “Generally speaking, there are places where one should stay on established trails; Yellowstone is one. However, it reminds me of the worn-out axiom,’If you ain’t the lead dog, the scenery never changes.’ When I am in the mountains or in the desert, the last place I want to be is on a trail. Ain’t no adventure in that for me. There isn’t a human trail in close proximaty [proximity] to where I hid the treasure.”

      IMO, what this implies is that you have to leave established trails for at least a short distance to find the Chest (perhaps starting at the “put in”), But Yellowstone is one of those places where Forrest recommends one should *not* leave established trails. And for good reason, honestly. Therefore, the Chest is most likely not in Yellowstone.

      • Hi Ray,
        Because of that exactly same reason I think the Chest is in Yellowstone NP. Also you left out the most important word “VERY” in your post of Fenn’s quote. It should read “There isn’t a human trail in VERY close proximaty [proximity] to where I hid the treasure.”
        — MK

        • D’oh! I did indeed accidentally leave out the word “very”. I can only blame it on the lateness of the hour. 😉

          However, I stand by my assessment, even with the “very” added in.

          Happy Chasing!

          • “There isn’t a human trail in very close proximately [proximity] to where I hid the treasure.”

            IMO…the key word in this sentence is…human…trail.
            I also believe the chest is in or near the border of YNP.

          • Hi Ray,

            The reason I mentioned it is that IMO there IS a human trail in close proximity to where Fenn hid the chest, but there ISN’T a human trail in VERY close proximity to where Fenn hid the chest.

            What I’m trying to tell you is that you or any other casual travelers can get close to the chest (within several feet) without even knowing that you are that close.

            — MK

          • MK

            I agree with you 100% about the trail stuff but a person who figured out the clues will know exactly where to look.

    • I am finding the numerous mentions of “omegas” in this post and then, the discounting of the omegas all together kind of fascinating. What do other FennExperts believe about these “double omegas” because I do -see- where they factor into the location of the TC.

      • Well, I’m not really focusing on the omegas. Mostly just watching to see if they pop up conspicuously in one of my solves, but here are my thoughts.

        1. Alpha and Omega = First and Last, or Beginning and End.
        2. Double Omegas: Reminds me of FF’s father burning the candle at both ends. i.e. Two Ends.
        3. Capital Omegas: Visually resembles a pair of headstones. Two deaths? Also resembles your feet if you “look quickly down” at yourself. Also resembles a pair of arches, but I doubt they are the yellow McDonald’s double arches. 😉
        4. Lowercase Omegas: Resembles lowercase ww. Warm waters?

      • they are not necessary to solve the riddle although they may be anecdotally helpful to the searcher imo. I believe they mostly play an amusing role for Forrest, kinda like an inside joke in many ways.

  16. Hello CrazyFox. I hope you get to feeling better soon. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I’ve enjoyed what you had to say.

  17. Get well quick!

    I dont mean any disrespect, but why post this without checking that location yourself? Did you come up empty?

    A few thoughts: It isn’t far from Alcatraz to shore, but it’s too far to walk; unless you’re Jesus, of course. In TFTW, Forrest was walking a river while fly fishing. Perhaps a parameter to reverse engineer from hoB is a section of river not possible to walk. Finding a rock solid hoB seems to be a requirement. Below can just mean south of a latitude. Also, take it down in the canyon means the same as take it in the canyon down, but canyon doesn’t rhyme with Brown. It isn’t too far to walk America from coast to coast, but it’s most definitely too far to walk to from NY city to London. IMO

    • Hey, CrazyFox,

      I applaud your effort to post your Theory, however I disagree with some of your thoughts. The waters do not halt under the ice, the ice is more like a thin skin compared to what is going on underneath. I have always maintained that in the real world waters must completely halt in a certain location. Is it not true the Chase is set in the real world as facts, not with an imaginary place, thing or by theory? In reality the Firehole river does not halt where it meets the Madison, its not possible.

      I think that using the omegas as you did is more like a hope and a prayer. Personally I think the omegas have nothing to do with in helping to locate the tc. The phone, frog, alligator and banana and other things you see in the landscape to me is just using imagination to see things, nothing more, much like things F saw in his tiles in the bathroom.

      Heck, I know of an area that has things like a frog leg, bolt of lightning, a blaze that closely resembles the blaze on Lightning depicted in the photo of the L&C adventure, a feather, an image of a stick figure of F hiding the chest and lastly fallen grave markers, made up of remnants of trees. It was fun to see those things using my imagination, but the area was not practicable because those things were above the maximum elevation limit of 10,200 ft.

      I’m truly mean no disrespect when I say that imagination has got the best of you. That area you are referring to I’m sure has been gone over many times, the other, in your area is a NP, which will IMO cause legal issues that I believe is not what F would do to the finder. The more reasonable search areas would be in a NF/Wilderness areas, which is public domain, yours and my land, no legal issues.

      Don’t take anything I said, personal, I simply don’t buy what your trying to sell. All is IMO, heck, who knows for sure!

      Just Say’n

  18. John,

    In all of the years, I have followed this chase your solve
    is the best and most well thought out presentation I have had the pleasure to read. My advice?? GO FOR THE GOLD!!!!


  19. Hi Crazy Fox,

    Your opinion (you said it’s not your solve yet?) is pretty interesting to read. I think even though the rivers are frozen on top surface the waters still flows underneath. You don’t have the chest yet, but good luck in your trying to come up with a better (or winning) solution. Matching a hard to find figures on Google 2D maps with things mentioned in Fenn’s books or clues in the poem is IMO stretching the meaning of the clues. You’d better match the clues to the actual 3D geographical features instead in your next solve.

    In my opinion, every solves which start at West Yellowstone (with Madison River) or Gardiner (with Gardner River) is not right since these areas are not the correct WWWH. The warm waters of both rivers are MIXING with other rivers at those locations (in terms of the temperature or the movement) and it is not considered as “HALTING” IMO. I think “halt” means that waters do not flow any more, i.e., they stop flowing or moving. If you get the first clue wrong, all other remaining solves for the subsequent clues are useless and will not get you to the chest.

    — MK

    • MK,
      His start area is not West Yellowstone and Gardiner River is at least 25 miles miles away, far from West Yellowstone.
      “WARM” waters are halting, NOT “waters” IMO

      • Hi JF,
        I know that, and I didn’t say his WWWH is West Yellowstone. I said “every solves which start at West Yellowstone (with Madison River) OR GARDINER (with Gardner River) is not right since these areas are not the correct WWWH.” And I don’t care that the waters are WARM or COLD as long as my warm WATERS HALT. Thank you.
        — MK

        • And I also know that many searchers who started their searches at those two locations came up with no chest.
          — MK

        • And how do you know these areas are not the correct WWWH without having the chest in hand?

          • Hi JF,
            You can say I’m just guessing if that suits you. But I’ve read more than several other posts mentioning about the waters mixing (warm becomes cold) at Madison and Gardiner. But the very fact that until now no one came up with the chest clearly tells me that solve doesn’t look like the correct one. That’s all.
            — MK

          • MK,
            I was just checking to make sure you didn’t have the chest.
            Thanks for the confirmation.
            Have a good night.

    • If that’s what you think, then why not go get it instead of wasting time telling us.
      If I knew where it is, it would be taken by me without a whisper or a blab.

    • If I knew the location of the chest with that degree of apparent certainty, I wouldn’t say a word about it until I had a chance to go get it.

    • Since no one todate has the chest I believe it safe to say all wwwh are…wrong. Most likely yours too!

      • Joe;

        Just because no one has as yet found Indulgence, why must the wwwh in this solve be wrong? WWWH is only the first step in a LONG, L O N G journey. The solver COULD be correct is 8 out of the nine clues, and still not find Indulgence. ALL 9 must be solved correctly.

        Forrest has said that people have been within 500′ and 200′. Did they get that close by accident? Forrest has also said that people have solved at least two clues, and maybe even 4. These people obviously had the correct wwwh didn’t they? Just askin’ – JDA

  20. Good first attempt, IMO. But I think there is a puzzle within the poem that you haven’t determined and haven’t started solving.

    Your rationale for wwwh is solid and many others will agree with it. Personally, I think wwwh is closer to Gardiner, but we’re in the same general area.

    Your task now is to go there and see and understand as much as you can about the geography and history of that amazing place at the NW corner of Yellowstone.

  21. Crazy Fox, greetings
    I have a very ingrained case of
    pareidolia, (as 1 searcher can testify
    to), & you may be right.
    But bear in mind, that what is now
    may noty be, and what may be
    is not now.
    Basically, caution about GE/GM,
    What you see is pronably a minimum of
    2 yrs. old, and can be quite older.
    Time, nature & man can quickly
    undo that which you have built on.

  22. Crazy, You had me worried for about ten seconds. IMO so close but yet so far away. Good luck to you and to all who will venture out come July when all the snow as melted!

  23. “There isn’t a human trail in very close proximity to where I hid the treasure.”

    IMO…the key word in this sentence is…human…trail.
    I also believe the chest is in or near the border of YNP.

  24. Thanks for the comments. I enjoyed reading them all. I might have overdone it with my imagination on this one!

    • Interesting. That area is a special place to FF. Where else would a guy from
      Texas go. Like FF. Texas to Yellowstone. That is a possible home
      of brown. To ME it maybe North. TSWMG. Long distance. 1/2 mile
      Possible. Maybe more north. Blaze possible something you need to find.
      You can not see it correctly from Google Earth. I gave up any hope on
      finding it. But If I was ever to look for it I would search north of that bridge for
      At least a mile. It could easily be South too. Interesting..

  25. Hi Crazy Fox
    Thanks for sharing. Take it ease. That flu or cold will play itself out eventually.
    The following was my take on the poem once upon awhile. Lost my notebook but this is what I can recall at the moment. My first thought was in YNP but legal issues with park statutes claiming the chest didn’t seem likely and I think that ff said somewhere he could go get the chest in winter if he wanted to. Can’t provide a quote as I lost my note book. I know most of YNP is closed in winter. When he said this and along with waking up at Gardener’s Island (TTOTCpage133) I thought maybe on the north entrance as it’s open in winter. You have to look deeper into what he is saying.
    Google maps.

    Begin it where warm waters halt ->Liberty Cap
    And take it in the canyon down, ->Road north toward Gardiner Montana.
    Not far, but too far to walk. -> If it’s too far to walk I drive.
    Put in below the home of Brown. ->Joe Brown boat launch on 89 north.

    From there it’s no place for the meek, -> Devil’s slide across the river and south of Brown
    The end is ever drawing nigh; ->Getting close to the end.
    There’ll be no paddle up your creek, ->Spring Creek
    Just heavy loads and water high. -> Aldridge, Montana and Yellowstone River.

    If you’ve been wise and found the blaze, ->Hotel fire by the bridge.
    Look quickly down, your quest to cease, ->Look down the road for a place to stop.
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze, -> Don’t stand there looking at the chest that guy living across the river might see you.
    Just take the chest and go in peace. -> Put it in your car act natural.

    As to the rest of the poem I thought it was added just to hide the clues and finish it off. This river runs deep if you study the man you’ll see what others don’t see.
    I’ve learned much since then and feel differently about the chase. I do it for fun for entertainment. I enjoy a good challenge, to match wits. All money will do is buy me time. There are those that will say you can’t buy time but I disagree. I think of it this way. You’re employer is buying your time isn’t he? You have to give up your time “lifetime” to work so many hours so you can buy or do the things you want. You have spent time that you won’t get back. Say you won the lotto that would free up sometime so you could do the things you want to do. Be good and don’t go phishing in the dark without a license. Never know what might bite you in the fesses. I did a quick search and posted some ideas I was following at the time. Near as I can remember.

    Thomas Moran painted The Grand Canyon of YNP and many other beautiful places. Artist Point if you go there you have to see it from here. Ff-Thumbs up over Philadelphia. Thomas Moran was from there.

    He had to be at the right place at the right time to catch the sunlight at that angle.

    Uncle Tom’s Trail in 1898 I’m sure it was no place for the meek. All that work for a sandwich you could have eaten up top. “Uncle Tom’s Trail has been maintained and improved by the National Park Service. While the original trail had rope ladders and 528 steps, the newer trail has 328 steps…” Does that number look familiar? TTOFTC page 96 “Why did I survive328 combat missions…” Taking it in the canyon down? Too far to walk and pack 42 pounds.
    Yellowstone River is known as high water. Remember waters high? Heavy loads is down river at Aldridge, Montana. Plenty of mining here.

    Where warm waters halt.
    Liberty Cap (bon jour monsieur)

    Liberty Cap, an extinct hot spring cone in YNP. I think I connected Liberty cap with the liberty bell also from Philadelphia.
    I guess I said enough. I know it’s a little choppy but there might be a nugget there for someone.
    One more thing.
    When does one plus one equal three?


  26. Now that my sickness is gone I can think more clearly. I got rid of all the extraneous thoughts and have simplified. Now my blaze is different. This is my theory. Here goes nothing…

    AIHGAIT…Yellowstone National Park (YNP)
    AWMTB…geothermal features of YNP
    ICKMSW…keep reading to find out where
    AHORNAO…new treasure (chest). Old treasure (YNP)

    BIWWWH…where the Firehole meets the Madison
    ATIITCD…follow the downstream flow of the Madison River west
    NFBTFTW…get in your car and drive
    PIBTHOB…park at the first available area once the highway is south of the Madison (below the Brown trout)

    FTINPFTM…cross the highway and enter the valley
    TEIEDN…you’re almost there, look for the creek on your left
    TBNPUYC…don’t go up the creek after you cross the river
    JHLAWH…The Madison River. Cross it near the creek

    IYBWAFTB…as seen from above like an owl, you can spot the arrowhead (the blaze)
    LQDYQTC…find the chest on the blaze
    BTSWMG…take a moment but not too long
    JTTCAGIP…just take it and go

    ALMTFATS…the trove is YNP and this area specifically
    TAIAK…Forrest wanted to give people hope and get kids off their little texting machines and out into the wilderness
    IDITANIW…now that Forrest is getting older he wants another generation of people to appreciate YNP

    SHMAALG…Are you listening?
    YEWBWTC…Forrest didn’t hide the chest in there. YNP is the treasure. I’ll probably get some cold responses for suggesting this. That’s okay.
    IYABAITW…I’m being brave by posting my story publicly
    IGYTTTG…Forrest gave me the title of my story…To the Gold!

    The treasure is for everyone…Yellowstone National Park!

  27. I’ve taken more time to think about my theories and while I don’t think I was always correct, I feel like I’m moving toward a solution. At least in my mind. In my story, I wrote about the changing of the seasons and death and rebirth and all sorts of nonsense that probably doesn’t have anything to do with why Forrest hid the treasure where he did. We’ll have to wait until it’s found and F can explain why he hid it where he did. Maybe it’s as simple as it was just his secret fishing spot growing up. I’m still stuck on this spot and am not even considering another area. My theories are evolving into some pretty crazy ideas. I’m just trying to think outside the box and have fun with it. I’m going to continue to post and possibly embarrass myself and you can laugh at my theories and that’s okay cause I have to laugh at myself sometimes too! So if you’re bored and want to read along I’ll post a little more. Please remember this will all be in my humble opinion.

  28. First things first. I have to have the right blaze. My first thought when I found this area was that the “telephone” was the blaze and I should have stuck with this as my blaze. I think I was influenced by other people talking about the blaze being white like a white stripe on a horses head. I do now think the “telephone” is the blaze and it is confirmed by the line in the poem that reads “Hear me all and listen good.”

    Scrapbook 107 is titled “People just don’t understand” and has a picture of a phone. That’s the blaze. Forrest just told us imo. F writes in that scrapbook…”with copius people wandering by that spot you’d think someone would pause for two seconds and untangle the poor phone cord.” Now look at the phone in my story and you’ll see the phone cord is not tangled (the phone cord is the creek). F ends the post by writing “I’ll just stay home and keep my eye on the telephone lines.” I think I’m supposed to pick up the phone and give my “answer”. F also says “there’s always a write way to do something and a wrong one”. Intentionally misspelling right. We’re supposed to write about it, but not actually go get the chest. I know that doesn’t make sense, does it?

    • Yes you are right, the lucky one to find the last spot will have followed the phone lines, and will be able to listen to ff when he gets there!

  29. “There’s always a write way to do something and a wrong one”. It would be very easy to sneak into my search area…park at the HOB and dip silently and unseen into the woods. Walk a short distance and then slip into the river and stay low so you’re not seen. Then make your way to that sandy bank that looks like an arrowhead and look under the log for a treasure. But that would be the wrong way because it is an area that is closed to protect habitat. I’m trying to do this the write way.

    F writes in the preface to TTOTC…”please overlook my slight penchant for provocation and realize that all of us are environmentalists to some degree and me more than most.” Did Forrest hide the treasure where we can’t or shouldn’t go?!!

  30. With Forrest being an environmentalist, more so than most, and with him spending so much time growing up in Yellowstone, I believe his poem has an environmental message about Yellowstone. I think that’s why he used good in the poem instead of well. We have to be good and make the right choice and not go search in this area. I’ve never been to Yellowstone but I see there are wooden paths everywhere (in the wood?) to view geothermal features and park officials want you to stay on the paths. I believe the poem is an allegory and the moral is to stay on the trails.

    In my search area, the frog’s paddle foot is in the alligator’s mouth. There’ll be no paddle up your creek is a metaphor and it means we’re not supposed to go in there on foot.

    So why is it that I must go…? Because Forrest is trying to teach a lesson to stay on the trails. ForrestFire are you out there? Well, that’s my crazy theory. What do you think?

    • Crazy Fox;

      You say, ” I believe the poem is an allegory and the moral is to stay on the trails..” Forrest seems to disagree with you since Forrest had this to say about trails: ““Generally speaking, there are places where one should stay on established trails; Yellowstone is one. However, it reminds me of the worn-out axiom, “If you ain’t the lead dog, the scenery never changes. When I am in the mountains or in the desert, the last place I want to be is on a trail. Ain’t no adventure in that for me. There isn’t a human trail in very close proximaty (sic) to where I hid the treasure”. f

      P.S. Your comment that “and with him spending so much time growing up in Yellowstone,” is not correct. He grew up in Texas, and only vacationed in Yellowstone during several summers – Just sayin’ JDA

  31. Hi Crazy Fox,

    FF hide it where it is brave to walk without making any squeak and waking up some underground frogs. Who ever finds it will have to open that box first!


  32. A New Way of Thinking

    Are we looking at the “BIG PICTURE?”

    There is only one place where warm waters halt.

    Only one place!!! We have searched for other places and continue to search only to come back to the same place as where we started. Sound familiar? There is only one place!!! You have to look at the “Big Picture'” and “think differently”

    Okay, I will give it up, the only place where warm waters halt is Earth and the land is the home of Brown. That is why Brown is capitalized.


    • A New Way of Thinking –

      “O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.’
      – Francis Scott Key

      Should my “tight focus on a word that is key” be ‘land’ or ‘brave’? And shouldn’t ‘key’ be capitalized?

      Every noun could be a double entendre, and they all fit my home of Brown and my Double Omega ‘I•S•land’ (or ‘Eye•S•land’) on the border of YNP in the Public Domain.

      Thank you and Google Earth for the “Big Picture”.

  33. Have you offered any detailed solve and hard work as he did or are you just one who tries to blow everything up?

    • Hilarious!

      Have you ever over-wound a fancy watch or a spring-loaded toy car?

  34. Pleasedont spend too much time arguing on this, it wont help anyone. Anyway, the trove will be found this summer and you can all forget about it.

  35. I’ve been re-thinking my WWWH. I still think Madison Junction is correct but I didn’t think it through. I think it simply means where two warm waters (Firehole & Gibbon) end and a new river (the Madison) begins I think I just needed to simplify. I’m a little mentally slow sometimes and that’s why it has taken me so long to figure out the correct blaze too. I’ve had four different blazes so far so…5th times the charm? Lol. Okay the blaze is the sign that reads “Area closed. Sensitive habitat for trumpeter swans”. And you look quickly down and see your feet and realize you don’t go in there. And the little girl from India couldn’t get past the second clue because they don’t have Google Earth in India. Did Forrest say the treasure chest is wet? No I think it’s quite dry. I think “worth the cold” is referring to a temperature-controlled room where there is little or no humidity. That’s where the treasure chest is imo.

  36. I’m the blaze. I AM the blaze…in my spiritual quest of self discovery. I found what been searching for… myself. Thank you Forrest. You’ve changed my life!

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