The Blaze…

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This is the place to discuss the the blaze. What do you think it is? Is it temporary or permanent? Will it be around for a thousand years or doesn’t it matter? Is it easy to spot or difficult? Does the poem tell us what the blaze looks like or what it is?

Nick Lazaredes of SBS-TV’s Dateline in Australia interviewed Forrest in the spring of 2014. Here is Forrest explaining the BLAZE.
https://dalneitzel.com/video/audio/blaze.mp3

103 thoughts on “The Blaze…

  1. My end is not only odd, but white….like the blaze may be.

    But no searcher’s quest has ever been ceased upon viewing it, that’s for sure.

  2. The Book of Blazes has provided us with a few ideas.
    There are a few more that I have seen that I have mentioned in the past.
    I am still interested in the one that I posted in the Book of Blazes. But I am still open to others. Maybe lichen…

    • Michael, I have always enjoyed your comments! I don’t know why I find you so laidback and a calmness about you?
      Mr. Fenn, did give a huge clue…about the blaze being a physical thing, I thought the reporter was asleep personally!
      Go Mr. Fenn and thank you Dal for your work! I do enjoy it , I can only cover so much territory .❤️

    • Michael H., You said “Maybe lichen…” I went down that path a couple season’s ago, and I looked in a location with that in mind. I concluded the bioluminescence/foxfire idea probably wouldn’t stand the test of time. Besides, traipsing around in the woods at night is not a very bright idea. imo

  3. Ahhh the blaze,
    ( moment to gather my thoughts.) As I see it in my mind which some accuse me of having lost.)
    The blaze is of decent size and a short distance from the hiding spot.
    Possibly a rock formation pointing toward the chest.

  4. I’ve had many different ideas of what the blaze was in my searches throughout the years and none has panned out. This may be one of the clues that it takes botg to understand. Can it be seen from goggle earth or sattilite views? Many say yes. I’m at the point where I don’t think so, unless you can see it and not understand that the image is the blaze. Here’s the thing, I now believe the blaze could be something “whitish”. I know the discussions have gone round and round on this subject but this is what I believe Forrest meant for the word blaze now. He might even told us, way in the past, just what it might be in a ATF comment.

    To me the “blaze” and “heavy loads” are the two hardest clues that botg are needed to understand their solve. The rest are pretty straight forward after you understand what wwwh is, and why Forrest chose that one (Hint in TTOTC book), from what I came across.

    The season is starting for those in the south Rockies and moving up as we speak.

    So good luck out there, have fun and be safe.

    Bur

    • Bur – Thank you for your response on the previous blaze thread, which is closed to comments now. Look again at the marks running down the center of Forrest’s face, when you expand.that pic.

      https://dalneitzel.com/2018/10/07/the-blaze-6/#comment-757119

      The leading character on my ridgeline Cartouche blaze is a Star; and Forrest was a leading Airman in the Airforce. A “whitish” star blaze is the Airforce symbol. The Cartouche blaze reads:

      Star Bird F F E

      I have wondered if chalk was applied to those barren areas, which look about the same as in the background of that pic of Forrest on Lightning with his white blaze in the Looking for Lewis and Clark story in TTOTC.

      I have always thought the last E in my Cartouche blaze is a nod to Eric Sloane.

      • Bur – That final E is left justified, which some say could correspond to drawing nye (nigh) in the Poem, especially if a horse is involved:

        Could it be??

        NYE = New York Eric?

        Everard Hinrichs???

        Who studied painting at the Hudson River School in New York?

        The end is EVER drawing nigh???

        What say you, Shakespeare???

      • Bur – In Summary (a nod to when I think Forrest made my Cartouche blaze ‘in Summer’, and to Mr. Shakespeare’s contemporary, William Sommers, the famous Court Fool of QE1 and her father the King, Henry VIII);

        Star Bird F F E

        Could be an epitaph and a blaze all in one. My translation is:

        Stellar Airforce Airman Forrest.Fenn For-Ever!

        But I have always been The Fool on The Chase. Ask the poet, William Butler Yeats. He’ll tell you! He wrote a great play with that character in it.

      • Hey Lisa,

        So your thinking the white marks on Forrest face is a star pattern in chalk? To me it looks like sunlight coming through the trees on his face. But can be wrong.

        Bur

        • Bur – Look closer. Anyone who uses Photoshop would recognize the several marks in a vertical line in question as an aberration. And they were not there the previous time I went to Forrest’s blog a day or two before. I used his blog as my resource for stories about The Chase on his blog page there, since I didn’t have TTOTC for reference.

          • Lisa,

            I can see some of what you said, but not a photoshop wizard. I too used Forrest blog and other things posted on his website for some good info. As you know there was other place we posted ithat had a lot of people with good ideas too.

            The blaze has me wondering. I know I will be busy for a little while checking the two blazes I think at my search area but if they don’t pan out I will for sure try to see if there is something else that stands out.

            I know your area and love that region but my search is over up there. I hope I’m wrong for your sake but right for mine.

            Good luck,
            Bur

    • WWWH is Warm Springs Station. Heavy loads and water high is Atlantic City. He said the spot was “difficult to find but not impossible”. Please look up the word “difficult”. Nothing about this puzzle is straight forward in the way you are choosing those words. An antonym of difficult is straightforward. It means there is a lot of work even when you are on the right path. And there is a lot of work.

      The blaze can be solved from your chair and is visible with GE/satellite views. Like everything else he does, he hints about it everywhere. Here are several:

      – the horse’s blaze and other stuff
      – a yo-yo (sound out those letters; does your mind go anywhere?) as an allusion to a helicopter hoist, which is an allusion to the blaze
      – jade and a Lorraine cross
      – guts

      A buttload is 126 gallons of wine, soda speak. It is also a two-wheeled handcart. Too bad he didn’t think of this term and use it in his book or posts. It would have made me “en coin” because that’s just my level of maturity.

          • No. I don’t know your reference of “I” to “Miss Ford”, although Miss Ford is indirectly related to the blaze.

            The reference to jade is from the TTOTC book, “ancient Chinese human faces carved from jade”. You really need the book. See the Chinese Oracle bone script symbol for “jade” and compare it to the Lorraine cross mentioned in TFTW. These are directly related to the blaze.

          • E.C. Waters – Thank you for that info. That Olmec Jadeite Mask is from Forrest’s story post about his found objects and collections right here on Dal’s blog. Where I seem to be able to find just about everything Forrest wrote or placed in his three treasure related books. Thanks, Dal!

    • Hi Bur,
      what is about the hoB? Forrest said that hoB is only one (he added “in the poem” but most likely in entire Rockies). And we know that he also said that the knowing what is hoB will lead you directly to the chest.
      Andy

      • I might imagine HOB might provide a more direct tack as the crow flies to a later part of the route if HOB could be certainly determined prior to going through the clues that immediately follow. Just my observation.

      • Mr Tall,
        Near the top of this page there is a audio link that Dal provided “Here is Forrest explaining the BLAZE.”
        If you listen to this audio, you will know what Amy has commented about.
        It’s recommended.

  5. In one of my BOTG searches I came upon what could be interpreted as a blaze overhead. I looked around quickly and didn’t see the chest. The blaze that I saw was not what I had expected or was looking for. It was an object that could easily be there for a thousand years if no one destroys it.. In reflecting about it much later, i realized that i may have not examined the area as carefully as I might have,.given more thought to analyzing how Fenn would hidden the chest.

    There are factors that would have impacted how Fenn would have hidden the chest given a couple of sound assumptions. First, the chest is in a mountainous region. Second, the area would be subject to various types of wild animals that naturally inhabit the area. Foremost of these would be large curious bears. Fenn more than most would have been aware of this. In one of my BOTG searches, I ran across a fresh bear kill.(tarry scant). A bear could easily upend the chest with one swipe and possibly dislodge it’s contents if the chest was left out in the open. I seem to recall that Fenn said the chest was not locked. The photos of the chest that I have seen show the chest with a latch that might be easily lifted to open the chest. Fenn would have considered all of these factors.

    Another factor is the logical assumption that if the chest was out in the open, snow would have buried the chest. As temperatures would rise, the snow would melt and water would naturally wick through the small openings of the chest’s lid and over the years, possibly filling the chest with moisture. We know that moisture will not effect gold, but the wooden interior side inserts would certainly rot.

    Additionally, a tree or some large debris could fall on the chest and possibly crush the chest, spilling its contents. Anyway, this thought process leads me to conclude that the chest is NOT in the open but is carefully secured in a location to prevent undesirable events and circumstaces that would be detrimental to the chest and it’s contents.

    One other thought to consider is the first line in the poem. It says, “As I have gone IN there” . Fenn has said that every word is important. Fenn could just as easily said “UP there”, or “OVER there”, or “DOWN there”, or just omitted the word “IN”. There is no doubt in my mind that the chest is hidden in a location that requires the searcher to go “IN” and remove something that prevents the chest from being disturbed or subjected in a negative manner.. I live far away from my solve and often reconsider (or not) going back to further search the area. As age and arthritis advance, my decision cannot be put off too much longer, but the fire still burns.

    • Ronald Conley – Awesome post! Have you thought about how trappers like Osborne Russell handled burying their profits, ie. Beaver furs, and tools? Google ‘fur trappers cache’.

      • Robert Conley – My hidey spot, which one could *look quickly down” to from my Airforce star.blaze character, has a log laying on a perfect diagonal across a perfectly square clearing “in the wood”; the surrounding forest of Lodgepole pines and Spruces. It looks like an Egyptian Pyramid to me from Google Earth’s satellite view.

        This painting by an artist Forrest has mentioned, Gilbert Gaul, features such a fallen log. And a fallen boy. And a horse. “Taps’:

        https://fineartamerica.com/featured/gilbert-gaul-taps-granger.html

        I think having such.a log across the hidey spot would help to keep the elements out and the claws of Grizzes from removing the flat stone I think covers the cache.

    • The poem does not say “As I have gone IN there”. If you truly believe that every word is important, you should be careful with them, hmm?

      I also tink that the pictures (at the top of various pages of this blog)
      are important. They hint at the location of the hidey place.
      As always, IMO.

      • *** *** *** ***
        “I also think that the pictures (at the top of various pages of this blog) . . . . hint at the location of the hidey place.”
        *** *** *** ***

        Honest questions, Tall A:

        Why would you think that?

        How would they do that?

        What do you mean by “hint at”?

        Jake

      • Tall Andrew – Back when I joined The Chase, I thought that, also, about the pictures. But later, Dal credited the awesome pics to Goofy, a searcher who used to manage this blog. They chose them.

  6. The blaze is a marker! It will be obvious and I feel I will see it in the area I believe the treasure is located! I’m not telling where I think I’ll find it this summer

  7. Morning all,
    Keeping in mind Forrest stated: The chest is not associated with a structure.
    This lends itself to the thought that all of the things described in the poem are natural with the exception of WWWH and the HOB. These I believe are manmade. Once one has correctly identified these two places it is time for bog. This is when imagination comes into play.
    I have a decent idea of what the blaze is. My problem atm is getting the right WWWH and HOB. The blaze is as simple as looking at it.

    • High Desert Drifter,

      How did you come up with what you think the blaze is? Especially if you haven’t gotten any other clue solved. Do you think Forrest has said what it is? I believe he has back in the early part of the chase.

      Bur

      • Hi Bur;

        Is this the quote that you are referencing?

        “The blaze is a physical thing. It’s not theoretical.
        Boy did I give you a big clue (Forrest chuckles after
        making the statement). That’s not a clue. It doesn’t
        take a scientist to figure out a blaze is something you
        can look at … A horse has a blaze on its forehead here
        … ah, ah, there are rocks that have a white face that
        could be a blaze… ” f JDA

        • JDA,

          Nice to see your comment.

          No that’s not the one. If I say what I think is the comment it will giveaway a hint to my search area. I need to be careful for right now especially if a searcher lives close, and I know there a few that do. I want to be there first in the next month. Lol

          Sorry for not clarifying the comment.

          Bur

          • Thank you JDA,
            you hit the nail on the head. Also, keep in mind that Forrest wanted the chase to last for a long time. The hints Forrest has given us are very subtle. In my mind, I see pictures of natural things. These things will last for hundreds of years/ Example: Old Spanish trail markers can still be found today in Az, N.M, etc.

    • What is the exact quote by FF? Does he use the word “chest” “treasure chest” or another word or phrase? The distinction may be important.

      • “I said on the Today show that the treasure is not associated with any structure. Some people say I have a desire to mislead. That is not true. There are no notes to be found or safety deposit boxes to be searched. The clues can lead you to the treasure, and it will be there waiting when you arrive.”

          • Finder – Ok. How about, then, if I found a definition for “bold treasures” being ‘found objects’? Like those contained in Forrest’s “treasure chest” he mentioned in that NPR interview??

            As I have gone alone in there,
            And with my treasures bold.

          • Finder – This just in from Forrest:

            “The virtue lies in the struggle, not in the prize.”
            Richard Monckton Milnes

            The treasure chest is still out there waiting to be found. It is not easy to
            find, but the fortunate bi-products of searching seem to come from all
            directions. f

            Timely, Dal. Thanks!

          • LIsa:
            Don’t you wonder how Forrest knows the treasure is not found yet? I don’t. Multiple levels of meaning with words and phrases such as chest and treasures bold, but a real simple solution. Multiple byproducts of the Chase in my life as I have been imbued with a sense of adventure and emboldened with confidence to solve crises for several desperate situations.
            Yours truly,
            Finder

          • Finder – Personally, I think Forrest has My Grizz.on his payroll. Jars of honey buried all around my search area. Just like the guys Jesse James had guarding his treasure. Have you seen his blaze, btw?

            And remote wildlife cameras on trees in the forest. Dal even posted a picture of one a little ways out, on his story post about going out Cabin Creek with that Australian film crew.

            It is beautiful to hear stories of how you and so many others have gained knowledge, compassion, strength and confidence on The Chase. Positive fallout from all those hours spent being a Deep Thinking and Truly Seeking treasure hunter. Who knew?

  8. The blaze is ubiquitous, it is the area around the blaze that is important. Should I just give my answer? What is a synonym for wise?

    • Finder,
      “You said, “Poem does not say “treasure chest” IMO. Words matter.”

      In the poem the words, treasure, chest, trove and gold are one in the same, including the name Indulgence. When folks or Forrest speak of the treasure or with the combination of the words “treasure chest” they are talking about the treasure.

      Some have thought the chest and the gold are separate things, which they are not separate.

      Back to the Blaze, it is not upright and does not point in any direction. IMO and is not easy to remove and solid.

      Just Say’n

      • Treasure chest and chest equal treasure. Chest by itself probably not. Concur that Blaze probably fixed, not easy to remove, but not so sure you can call it “solid”

      • Your posting is confusing:

        (talking about the Blaze) “it . . . and is not easy to remove and
        solid.”

        Does this mean that the “Blaze” is not BOTH easy to remove
        and solid? If so, this could mean that the “Blaze” could be easy to remove but not solid,
        or it could be difficult to remove while remaining solid,
        or it could be difficult to remove while remaining non-solid.

        Believe it or not, I try to help searchers understand your postings (if/when I can).

        As always, IMO.

  9. We are having to start over on our “blaze” we thought it was a mountain top/peak that as you walked up your canyon boom the peak would come into view. then Mr. Fenn said blaze cannot be seen on Google Earth.

    • wildbirder – Here are s few peaks surrounding my search area. I have wondered how many of these possible blazes Forrest could see from Lightning the horse and from the top of my ridgeline face blaze, if he was there:

      White Peak, Red Streak Peak, Sage Peak, Pyramid Peak, Echo Peak.

      The last one is for the story of Echo and Narcissus, because of the Blue Spruce, the mountain Springs and the possible mirror ponds I see on Google Earth. Forrest wrote that story about mirrors. And a mountain Spring runs down right near my hidey spot. Did Osborne Russell and his party camp there, to be able to see the Blackfeet Indians coming? Did Forrest camp there, so he could fish the circular creek with the island in the middle down below the next morning? That area looks like a Circumpunct to me, the symbol for GOLD, or maybe a 360 degree Rainbow blaze.

      I did see teepee rings at Upper Teepee Basin, below Red Streak Peak, on Google Earth. They were just over the ridge, not too far from Cabin Creek Cabin. A trail leads down into that basin.

  10. I have this fantasy that the blaze is a rainbow created by a waterfall near where the treasure is to be found, so that once the rainbow appears from the particles of water from the waterfall, the rainbow itself marks the spot. It would be a wonderful place to put the treasure. But, of course, the real treasure is that natural phenomenon that creates the rainbow.

    • I do imagine that if you seek such a blaze and seek it often, you will experience what f intended for all searchers.

  11. I think that when the sun rises at sunrise and is projected onto the earth, a certain projection is created, blaze. You will not see such a phenomenon on the map, only in real time.

    • Hey-O John –

      The spot on your horizon where the sun rises or sets changes every day (quite quickly around an equinox, very slowly around a solstice).

      And so will any effects of the projection of its rays (such as casting shadows, or hitting a reflective surface).

      So, to marrying your clues to fixed places on the map, you’d have to add a shotgun wedding to a variable, limited-time “solar window”.

      Not saying it’s impossible, but –

      Difficult for the chase-master to pack such additional precision into the 24 available lines of the poem, difficult for the chaser to precisely retrieve it back out.

      I don’t think Hank done it that way.

      Jake

    • Fully agreed from my side. Solve the whole thing before botg. Everything needed is in the book, except one’s ability to match map places with what is hinted.

    • As one who appreciates the wilderness and its preservation…

      yes…please delay your infractions until you are absolutely sure of the blaze before entering. Maybe best that you never come to a proper identification.

  12. I remember some time back, ff was asked by someone if the the blaze was an actual object, to which ff answered “In A word, Yes”..

    Does anyone else see that as an awful strange way to answer a yes-no question?

    My take on that answer is, It’s a little ff riddle that the Blaze is a word that starts with the letter “A”

  13. Hi Floyd,
    What about this…
    What’s in a word?…letters
    It could be something shaped like a letter, perhaps a “W”….

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