Tarry Scant…

 

SUBMITTED OCTOBER 1st, 2019
by DAL

 

In September of 2019 I visited Forrest and was at his home when Penelope and Mike arrived for their meeting. They are from Voice of America and were there to record an interview with Forrest for a story about the treasure.

Penelope is the reporter and Mike is the cameraman. I asked, and received permission to audio record their interview with Forrest for the blog while they were taping.

That entire audio interview will be posted later.

This particular snippet occurred after the formal interview was over. Mike had stopped his video recording, Penelope and Forrest fell into a casual conversation and I stopped my recording. I got up to stretch my legs and had taken only a few steps away from my recorder when I heard Penelope ask Forrest, “What does tarry scant mean?”.

I did not think much of the question because Forrest always seems to answer those direct questions about the poem with one of two typical responses.

Either, “I don’t want to give out any more hints.”

or

“I’m not going to answer that right now.”

But to my amazement he started in with an actual answer. I swiveled around and leaped for my recorder and microphone, turning it on and pointing the mic at him as he was repeating what he had just said. I barely caught his response…

This is only a 20 second clip so you can play it over again until you are satisfied you heard it correctly. The noise is from me trying to get the mic pointed at Forrest.

Here is a transcription of the actual words spoken by Forrest and Penelope:

F: …hang around
P: (interrupting) Don’t hang around.
F: Take the chest and get the hell out of here.
P: Okay
F: Tarry means wait around
P: Okay
F: And scant means…
P: (interrupting) Okay
F: …for a second or two.
P: uh huh, uh huh
F: I don’t have the slightest idea what I’m talking about.
P: I don’t know. I got the sense of urgency….
F: Yeah
P: …when you say that. That there’s some urgency there.
F: Yeah

Later that day after Mike and Penelope had left I mentioned to Forrest that I was surprised that he had answered her question about tarry scant. Forrest said “Why? What else could it mean?”
I responded that searchers had been talking about what those words meant from the very beginning of the search.
Forrest just shook his head and said, “It’s not complicated.”

 

There are two posts with two different versions of the edited story on the VOA website:

https://www.voanews.com/episode/fact-or-fiction-treasure-important-and-thrill-hunt-4045401

https://www.voanews.com/arts-culture/thousands-scout-rocky-mountains-hopes-finding-treasure

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

189 thoughts on “Tarry Scant…

    • yet if one were to query every searcher, none would change their current solution, as the ones who believe it to mean the above would feel there is no reason to change, and the ones who believe it to have dual meanings, would still continue to believe it also has a dual meaning as it always had before.

      so what changed?

      except for the possible interpretation of: “hey why such a hurry, hang around awhile and enjoy the view”,

      but that still does not change ones solution, just their interpretation that the line doesn’t help with their solution for one or the other meanings.. still didn’t change their solution since they are not using it as a clue in that form.

      so what really changed? not much…

      now if the reporter had asked, “what does drawing nigh” mean… then we would have some change for the people who had assumed it to be the more uncommon usage, simply because it was “uncommon”.

      • Exactly this. Even haf she ask ed What does chest mean, what does cease mean, she would get the obvious answers. But had she asked, Are there multiple meanings where at least one other meaning must be taken into account to solve the poem puzzle – I doubt the answer would be forthcoming.

        In the end nothing has changed for me. Panic over.

  1. It means quickly marvel at the treasure you just found, then get out of there before the Ranger sees you!

    Thanks for sharing Dal & Forrest.

    • Never mind the Ranger,there won’t be one..He is saying don’t bring any attention to yourself,there might be other searchers or hikers around..You now have one million plus in your possession..Time to get the hell out of there..Just one mans opinion..

      • I appreciate your opiñon, but I’m not worried about a fly fisherman upstream retrieving his cast and attacking me for my tackle box full of gold.

        • Would you worry about a hunter with guns that didn’t bag there bounty? I know we are all not bad but big money changes some people on a dime to where others always think that way.
          I’m outta there quick!

          • Jake you are 100% correct..Once gold fever kicks in you can’t predict what one person might think..Take for instance someone who feels because he has been in the chase along time there is a certain perception that he feels those around him have a duty to accommodate him…If you happen to be hauling out the treasure and not using any discretion, you might be in a lot of trouble..Keep your mouth shut and get the hell out of there. Just one mans opinion..

          • I would worry wherever I am when carrying a few million.
            Not something we do every day and you will have to be more aware unless you do this all the time.
            It’s no joke and walk thru the park.

            Fenn was probably very paranoid until it was hidden and that would explain the euphoria after it was hidden when he laughed at himself out load when no ones around but he probably knew the right time to do it.

  2. This has always been my interpretation of it. I’m glad that I wasn’t wrong lol

    Thanks for the info Dal, I look forward to hearing the rest

  3. This has always been my interpretation of it. I’m glad that I wasn’t wrong lol

    Thanks for the info Dal, I look forward to hearing the rest.

  4. Good to know. But, it is not a hint about the location. Just take it and go.
    What sort of place is it that you would want to hurry and go?
    Behind a waterfall come first to mind. What else?

    • I pretty much know what that place looks like, Michael, and if searchers were to look on this blog there are pictures of it.

      • How can you state that as a fact? Have you found Indulgence, but just don’t want to disclose it, and Forrest agrees to keep the search going despite the fact that Indulgence has been found? Just askin’ JDA

        • I still don’t believe that Forrest would create a treasure hunt with no chest to be found. I think the key lies in brave and in the wood. But I’m slow. Still thinking.

        • JDA, I said, I pretty much know, that means it’s my opinion, It’s my opinion there are pictures of it on the blog. And, why should you disclose it to Forrest or anyone and ruin it for all the adventures and puzzle enthusiast out there, let them discover it for themselves even though Indulgence is gone. No one needs to know. lol

      • ManOwar;

        If there are pictures on the blog of Indulgence, then you would “Know for a fact” – not “Pretty much know.” JMO – JDA

        • I didn’t say pictures of Indulgence I said pictures of the “place” or area of Indulgence. Please read slowly.

          • Again sir;

            You are saying,” I said pictures of the “place” or area of Indulgence.” You are saying, AS A FACT that there are pictures of the AREA or PLACE where Indulgence is. Without Indulgence you can not KNOW that there are pictures of the AREA or PLACE where Indulgence is – It is your OPINION that there are pictures on the blog that show where Indulgence MAY be. PLEASE be careful. Not trying to be a traffic cop. I just like it when fact and opinion are clearly separated. At my age, I can get the two confused easily – 🙂 JDA

          • Hi JDA,
            I like your logic in this discussion 🙂
            Indeed, it’s impossible to publish “pictures of the “place” or area of Indulgence” if you don’t have indulgence in your hands. Of course, you can publish the map of 4 states and in this case it will be true “area of indulgence” 🙂
            Also it is possible that finder will never reveal both area and poem solution to public and will ask Forrest not publish it. He/she will just send silver bracelet to Forrest and keep a silence forever. But at least all searchers will know that the chase is over and it’s time to stop BOTG.

          • Here is your post: You did NOT say “In my opinion” – ManOwar on October 2, 2019 at 1:26 pm said:

            I didn’t say pictures of Indulgence I said pictures of the “place” or area of Indulgence. Please read slowly.

            I will drop it – You said what you said… and didn’t say.
            JDA

          • JDA, In that that post I was referring to my post to which you questioned.

            “JDA, I said, I pretty much know, that means it’s my opinion, It’s my opinion there are pictures of it on the blog. And, why should you disclose it to Forrest or anyone and ruin it for all the adventures and puzzle enthusiast out there, let them discover it for themselves even though Indulgence is gone. No one needs to know. lol” OPINION, OPINION.

            Yes, drop it. Didn’t you just say: “At my age, I can get the two confused easily – JDA”

  5. But he also stated before that it’s not hidden in a dangerous place. So….where could there be a place you need to take it and go…quickly?

      • IMO it means get out of the public eye, it’s close to a public road. How far off of the road would you go at almost 80?

        I love it! He’s always said to keep it simple and I think if we can remember to stay in the mindset of a preteen age adventurer it doesn’t need to be overly complicated.

        After 9+ years I get the feeling that Forrest would like us to get on with it and figure it out.

        Have fun and good luck to all.

    • You are forgetting that this is Forrests personal special place you are invading. He just wants you to take it and go away from here. You won, now take it and leave without disturbing his church place.

      • His personal place doesn’t have to be that far from a road IMO. I’ve seen several that would qualify on my BOG hikes in and around Yellowstone. He was a young man for many summers there and that what makes the most sense to me. Just my opinion, doesn’t have to be yours.

    • James C.,

      It’s not in a dangerous place if you don’t stay too long, It’s only dangerous if you hang around because of a certain condition. It’s not dangerous to jump into a pool of 34 degree water but if you stay in there for a long time guess what.

  6. I always thought it meant wait alittle. That’s basically what forrest said
    But why change it and say don’t hang around get the hell outta there.this is double sided to me.so you can get in trouble if you hang around like jail or prison or get killed?

  7. I have always believed that this sentence was just filler since it replaced “leave my bones and go in peace.” from the original version of the poem.

  8. So get out before you’re seen where you’re not supposed to be. Assuming you have to go past the blaze to the shower…

  9. I have always took this line as literal. Not everything is a butterfly is a flutterby in the poem. I think a creek is a creek and warm water is water that is warm. Etc.

  10. Honestly, how can one find so many ambiguous word definition patterns that are so distinctly linked and come away with “not complicated”? It absolutely boggles my simple brain.

    • Thank you for sharing, Dal! . That’s the way I have always interpreted that part of the poem.

      • IMO It’s almost certainly some water situation with tricky tides that wax and wayne under different moon cycles. I bet the L.S. will navigate those waters in and out like a consummate pro.

  11. I don’t believe him.
    It means a tar covered scant (small) rock at a place that has to be a clue.
    Not.
    No clue here, just action as most logical KISS thinkers do.
    Maybe a hint that there are folks around that may see you if you hang around.

    • Jake – what are you referring to when you say “Not” ????
      And are serious about a tar coverered rock?

      • I meant to say “are you serious about tar-covered rocks?
        This is important to me. What would you say about a tar-covered rock with a marvel (iridescent) glaze?

        • I would say have a look at Hanna, WY, the marble (fricative V) observance (scant) that has asterisks from 1903 (dad’s birth) and 1905 (Eric’s birth). The observance is of coal miners, where tar and coke (cape) is a by-product (really? this word?) of coal. Therefore, it is literally a tarry scant with marvel gaze. Around this area you might also coincidentally associate some Whiles who were once upon, as well as a Poulos, a skald bard, who is also a “quickly down”. Words can be fun.

          • Dang. “Cape” should be “caps”. Observance = gaze. A scant is a slab. Wish we could edit our own stuff on this blog “tool”.

      • Not tar covered, but dark colored rocks – “Tarry” looking – Looking like tar – JDA

      • Ya know… there are a few rocks around WY that have many “years” etched into them (aka dance = rock and sway, millennia = years thousand…), and some still visible with tar markings… so I wouldn’t be too quick to discount.

        I’m also aware of a scant with several asterisks that was placed as a marker to remember those who perished in coal mines, where coke and tar are a by-product. But hey, that’s just me and my weird associations.

    • Yep, Jake. I guess we found out that JDA needs to go back to the drawing board. Didn’t he just tell me ystdy that we may find out one day which one of us is correct about another issue in the Chase. Guess we found out sooner than he thought that this major piece of his solve prbly isn’t correct.

      I think this isn’t good for the nine sentences are the nine clues crowd.

      • F.D.

        I wouldn’t be too quick to gloat. Didn’t Forrest say, “It’s not complicated.” … and It’s not. Shadows and black rocks are not complicated. I know, Confirmation Bias can keep one thinking wrong when all evidence says right. Oh well, I have always been slow at learning life’s lessons – 🙂 JDA

        • I wasn’t quick. I waited for the evidence to come in. It took like a day.

          • As the old saying goes – “Time will tell” FD. Have a nice winter. We are all tied for last at the moment – none of us have found Indulgence – JDA

          • Isn’t the goal to find Indulgence? Maybe it is the thrill of the chase. Maybe it is the knowledge that one was able to solve the poem’s riddle. Maybe it is the challenge. But in the end for any of these things to become a reality, one MUST find Indulgence – So to me, it IS all or nothing.

            Sure, I love being in the mountains. I love doing things with my family members. Sure, I love learning new things, but in the end, it IS all about finding Indulgence. If it isn’t – drop the search, and just go out into the mountains with family members or friends. You can still do those things without the Chase – JMO – JDA

          • FD;
            On October 2, 2019 at 8:48 am you said:

            JDA, I don’t think it’s all or nothing.

            I replied back saying that I felt that finding Indulgence was what it is all about (paraphrasing).

            You now say that we have to agree to disagree…to what? How can one agree to a negative? All you are saying is that you do NOT believe that it is “All or nothing.” If this is true, what do you think that it IS all about? With an answer to what you believe it it, we might agree to disagree. I can not agree to something that it is NOT. Get my point?

            I told you why I think that finding Indulgence is what it is all about.

            If finding Indulgence is NOT what it is all about, what IS it all about.

            Thanks in advance for your reply – JDA

          • FD;

            “All or nothing…” Is it OK to solve only the first five clues, and then ask Forrest for 1/2 of the treasure?

            How silly. It is “All or nothing.” Getting 1, 5, 7 or even 8 clues right will buy you “nothing” One MUST solve all nine – It is “All or nothing.” JMO – What is yours? – JDA

          • JDA, I’m gonna keep focusing on the first clue.

            Ain’t worried about this.

            You can focus on the above if you want.

      • The kicker is, that some will still think “tarry scant” or this line is a clue but in reality it can’t be because Fenn specified what it means to him and it’s not a place (although it’s at the place where the treasure is) or directions on a map.
        Done deal.
        Have fun chasing tar (looking) covered rocks in the shadows. lol
        So much for flogic.

        • He also says in the full audio that we’re done at Look quickly down you’re quest to cease.

    • It is a clue. The clue is tarry (covered in tar), not tarry scant. Forrest wrote the poem as a story within which the clues are hidden. Do people really believe that you have to be bold and brave and willing to risk cold temperatures in order to find the treasure? The story is a cover. That’s why it’s so clever. If you keep it simple then all you have is a nonsensical tale about someone who isn’t meek and is brave and doesn’t linger and is a quick looker who must also apparently bring a sweater for this sudden cold spell they’re going to be hit with. Of course tarry scant means don’t linger very long. What else could it mean? Forrest is 100% correct. But the clues are within the poem, not the silly story of the poem itself. All IMO of course. If you’re keeping it simple. I suggest you bring mittens for when it gets cold.

      • Warlock62: “not the silly story of the poem itself”

        Silly story of the poem???
        That’s all I need to hear from you….
        That was a very silly comment and I don’t think you have a clue what a clue is.

        • Ok Jake then keep it simple. Just bring a parker for when it gets cold and don’t get run over by those meek people when they retreat in fear, realizing they went where it was no place for them to be. The keep-it-simple folks ignore almost 50 percent of the poem when they stop and look down near the blaze. Forrest was an architect writing the poem and almost every single word is important(the words not the story!! Do you see the difference?) But you ignore the last 2 and half stanzas as if Forrest were wasting his time when he wrote them. Ignoring half the poem sure is simplifying things though. I have to give you credit for that.

          • Yup, keep it simple, stupid.
            I wont bring a parker when searching in summer.
            I wont get run over because I wont be crossing any roads o foot.
            This is getting really silly.
            Fenn didn’t say he was an architect.
            Anything else you want to say that is incorrect?

            I don’t ignore any words in the poem. I just think the other words that are not clues are hints and not places or directions.

            You watched too much SNL back in the day.

    • You should believe him. It’s not a clue, it’s an instruction. You should have the chest in hand when your quest ceases, so instead of standing around admiring the view while holding $2+mil, get out of dodge ASAP. Like Forrest said, “Why? What else could it mean? It’s not complicated.”

  12. Wow! But it makes perfect sense, but was does “I don’t know what I’m talking about” mean? Why would he say that…..

  13. “What else could it mean?” What else indeed. Sounds like Forrest “told the truth.” Refer back to TTOTC “What have we learned?” and Moby Dickens “felt like an architect.” Forrest has employed double-entendres before; if he could do so in the poem, do you think he could resist? “It looks like just simple words there, but…”

    • I mean, it can mean several meanings. The word “mean” even seems meaningful as he uses this frequently to correct his own PRINTED TEXT. Who does that?? Who writes something out, then writes more to correct it instead of just restructuring and deleting the original? “Not complicated” is not how we think of not complicated.

    • ManOwar: I agree. Thus tarry doesn’t mean covered in tar (AFAIC), “drawing nigh” doesn’t mean left, “warm waters” references waters that are warm, “not far but too far to walk” is a distance (however long or short) that I shouldn’t be walking, and by the time I’ve reached “If you’ve been wise…” in the poem, I’ve already found the blaze. Easy-peasy. But that’s not ALL the words in the poem are used for, IMO.

      Forrest said he felt like an architect drawing that poem, and if a searcher doesn’t figure out exactly what he meant by that, then I believe they are destined to return from each BOTG trip weighing more or less the same as before they left.

  14. So, once you find the chest…. Wait for a second or two and then get the hell out of there.
    That is not a clue but sure it’s a hint.
    It eliminates many places.
    Thank you Dal and Forrest!

    • you might try this.

      Divide the Poem into informational or instructiona

      Stanza 1 is informational
      Stanza 2 is instructional
      Stanza 3 is informational
      Stanza 4 is instructional
      Stanza 5 is informational w/question
      Stanza 6 is instructional

      Then list out a short information or a short instruction.

      You will get a different view

  15. That’s how I always understood it. I had thought about it meaning a tar covered rock or something like that at one point but after hearing Forrest read the poem aloud, how could it be taken any other way?

    TimM

  16. That combined with… “Look quickly down, your quest to cease”
    Why do we have to “quickly” look down? What is the urgency?

    • Pablo- I have asked myself that same question over and over . Why can’t we just look down or even look slowly down? Why quickly?

    • I don’t take look quickly down as being defined in the sense of an urgent action to avoid danger or being seen but more in line with Forrest is giving us directions and our duty once finding the blaze is to look quickly or immediately down for our next place to go. The real question for me is just what in the world is Forrest’s definition of down? Is it from above to below, is it north to south, is it down elevation or is it really north but downstream? There’s a dandy that I’d like to know.

      • Double a;

        Did you know that “quickly” can also mean an aromatic aroma? Maybe Forrest is saying to look towards a group of pine trees – with their aromatic aroma. Just thought I would throw that out there – since you weren’t confused enough 🙂 JDA

        • Down can mean: ” toward or to the ground, floor, or bottom”
          The place that the aromatic pine needles fall – below the trees – JDA

        • My cypher of this is don’t go through the woods shaking a 40 lb chest of gold while yelling “I FOUND GOLD, I FOUND GOLD”

      • well that one is easy, any one ever versed in “maps”, will roll it up and slap you across the head with it, if you ever referred to “south” as “down”.

        try it… if you were in the military, they might just shoot you instead.. depending on the country.

        • Writis;

          I spent twenty years in the Marine Corps, and “Down” on a map was always south – unless you were standing on your head 🙂 JDA

          • and now think back into that time when you were in the Marine corp, now point at a spot on a map of the top of a round hill, and suggest to a superior to go down from there… what would that superior do? what would be their next question, after you finished the kp duty suddenly assigned. 🙂

            (I was not referring to how one hangs a map on a wall, I am referring to how one reads a map)

          • Writis;

            One would use coordinates. One would never “say” down – One would direst gunfire, or state an objective in terms of coordinates. Let’s be serious – JDA

          • and in case you are still in doubt, find the “down” direction on a compass… or listen to air traffic control for pilots & controllers communications to each other, military or civilian, in any country, for anything ever referring to south as “down”, and you will quickly figure out that it is never done… ever, which will be a quick and intuitive learning exercise as to why it is not done.

          • In Maine “down East” means the coast.

            (Of course in Maine “you can’t get there from here.”)

            Wasn’t it Horace Greeley who famously said –

            “Go Left, young man, go Left.
            There is health in the country, and room away
            from our crowds of idlers and imbeciles.
            Go Left, young man, and grow up with the country.”

            Jake

      • Double a – I always thought that look quickly down to mean – to look down a short distance (A place that is not deep)

      • to look quickly down your quest to cease . can also mean to keep looking but not far. from the blaze. that to me also tells me to go north of the blaze but not far

  17. Looks like the chest is in a place where common sense tells us not to go there (but kids don’t use that often so they have an advantage over adults). And Forrest did it twice! He sure thought “I did it, and I did it twice, that will teach them a lesson”.

    • I’m beginning to think that “kid” is in reference to a baby goat. Especially since SB about the goat cast in bronze.

    • i bet he did it a lot more than twice. he already knew the location. Thats what i keep telling myself when i go on some wild BOTG. I always ask myself ‘has FF been here before and why’. He didn’t pick a random spot while walking around. Just like he had the foresight to pick up that magnolia seed pod on the day he married and keep it and now wants to know what to do with it. everything seems to have a purpose and isnt random.

  18. No new news there, IMO. I think the more important part of that line is the latter half of it.

    Happy snow season.

    • Amy…it’s a Forest.
      Remember in ’17 he said if your solve is in the desert, get another solve? That’s because there were no trees.
      That was the year I searched for someone, and it lead us to a desert near Lander. Sarcophagus Butte. I emailed F about the circus BOTG, and F came out with that advice the next day! 🙂
      “Wood” is definitely trees!!!

  19. “F: Take the chest and get the hell out of here.”

    My post recalling the opening scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark awaits moderation, but while in classic cinema mode, I can’t help but also consider the line from Forrest Gump:

    Run, Forrest, run!!

  20. I’d only stay a second or two in a place that was cold. That I already had to “brave”. Could be in a pool of cold water, cave or behind a waterfall. Which would mean marvel gaze is referring to the treasure itself and this line is in fact, prob not a clue. If it’s truly “not complicated” then there only so many directional clues preceding this line. By the time you are at HOB, you’ve got to be damn close to the blaze (double omega, written / etched on a stone —end is ever “drawing” nigh/near) . In my opinion To get from HOB to blaze all you’ve got is one stanza the key being heavy loads and water high. Train tracks, water tower or waterfall. I’ve been looking at Pinos river lately, Toltec railroad was built to support silver mining (riches old). Don’t have HOB,
    Don’t have wwwh, so I’ve been mainly playing Canasta :)))

    • Think like a teenage boy. FF probably carved ‘something’ on a rock at his special place as a kid knowing he’d return someday to recollect on his youth. This is the Blaze. So now work the book and the poem to see if FF ever mentions leaving a mark.

  21. Hmmm. Wait around. And that there would be some urgency. I’ll say. Yeah that is definitely crystal clear just like the poem. Except I suspect some of us still aren’t getting it. This has to be the toughest nut to crack that I’ve ever known. Thank you Dal for posting! And thank you Forrest for keeping us all engaged!

  22. Ah…..the plot thickens. In the beginning “as I have gone alone in there” must be somewhere it seems that you better make haste to get out of. That being said it might shed some light on…..”no place for the meek”. It is 30 days till Halloween and I am already shak’in in me boots.

    NOW let’s see….it has to be a place with both new and old riches.

    I get a lot done when I talk to myself.

    The new riches might be the chest….but what could be the “old riches”?

    To a nine year old an arrowhead could be considered “old riches”.
    A saber toothed tiger skull could also be considered “old riches” as well as the tusk of a megafauna mammoth.

    If “tarry scant” means get the hell out of there then maybe THE THRILL OF THE CHASE has new meaning. You being chased and not you doing the chasing.

    I”m checking under my bed before lights out tonight!

  23. The question asked was: “What does tarry scant mean?”
    Too bad they didn’t ask: “What does ‘But tarry scant with marvel gaze’ mean?”
    Don’t mess with the poem; The complete line means more than the sum of it’s parts.

    • Exactly!
      So, you have the treasure before you! Don’t stare and waste time! Put it in your back pack and hike out calmly like nothing is wrong. Be casual but quick. Stay calm.

  24. Great journalistic scoop Dal. Thanks Forrest for your no B.S. candor in answering the question.

    “Get the hell out of there” carries a far more urgent tone than “just take the chest and go in peace.”

    Lots of important questions racing through my brain…national parks/illegal to remove, someone else’s private property, Indian reservation, Indian ruins, hell, snakes, grizz????

    This comment by ff in 2015 has bothered me:
    “You will ignore the poem at your own PERIL.” Mysterious Writings, 6 questions with Forrest Fenn. Nov. 27, 2015

    This is certainly an engaging comment.

  25. MUCHO THANKS DAL & ff.
    Exactly my orig. Thoughts.
    ff knows di di mau! !!!
    Holy jalapeno,,
    (sorry no tilt on my keys)
    NO MYSTERY HERE FOLKS.

  26. Dal, your commitment to equity in the search community is remarkable, not to mention that it helps reduce all rumors and he said, she said stuff – so thanks again.

    As to Forrest’s new comments regarding the meaning of the phrase “tarry scant;” I think it’s important to remember that the poem is both LITERALLY true and FIGURATIVELY true, therefore in a literal sense “what else could it mean?”

    I’ve never thought Forrest wrote a poem which didn’t mean what it said – remember there is “no subterfuge in sight.” But subterfuge is what lies beneath, so it is the figurative meanings which Forrest is never going to discuss especially since he feels the literal one are fairly obvious.

    GCG

    • The trick is adjusting back and forth between the two different forms of instruction and seeing how they intertwine with each other correctly.

      “There’s a big difference between looking and seeing. It’s not important enough that you look, you have to see.”

      GCG

  27. Tarry Scant with Marvel Gaze means to only use your x-ray (Marvel) vision for a short period of time to avoid damaging treasure items. What else could it mean?
    Seriously, though:
    At first I thought the “get the hell out there” was said with some frustration. Remember, this is a repeat of what was already said. I wonder if his emphasis was different the first time. Did he say “get the hell out there” both times, with the same tone? I looking forward to understanding his mood in the full interview prior.

    But, the sense of urgency, if it is real, kind of throws me. He said that right after “I don’t have the slightest idea what I’m talking about.” and it sounded sorta sheepish …

    After all, “it’s not complicated”. <—- THAT

  28. [Tarry scant], Forrest answer is one that I believed in all along. Of course the reason I already know. The area from npuyc to water high does have people traveling this off beaten trail from time to time on a mission. The land is public to be on so no problem there, but those mission people could stop and ask what are you doing if they see you. So Forrest, in the poem, is basically saying if you find the chest to take it out of the area quickly, so if by chance those people on a mission come around you won’t be in the area to have to answer any of their questions. If back on the main trail those mission people would most likely just say hi or wave in passing because your not sticking out of the ordinary there.

    Thanks Forrest for the confirmation.
    Good luck all,
    Bur

  29. My assumption for the past 7 years is that “tarry scant” suggests other humans will be passing the area close enough and often enough to see me carry the treasure chest to my automobile. 🙂

    • Good to see you, Desertphile! Yes: I quite agree with you. Even if the hidey spot itself turns out to be mostly out of the public eye, at some point you have to get back to your car — and THAT spot is almost certainly exposed (seeing as how you could have parked there in a “sedan”).

      • If the goodies are in a back pack, what would be so conspicuous about
        taking off the back pack and putting it, with its contents still inside, into
        the trunk of a sedan? I don’t think the finder will be careless enough to
        flash the goodies to a passerby. As always, all part of my opinion.

  30. He already told us that it is no place for the meek. We are not supposed to be there. Just pack it up and get out FAST!

  31. IMO ff’s “get the hell out of here” carries urgency in tone and word choice and probably does Not simply mean…if you want to remain anonymous, hurry up. [In a past interview at Moby Dickens Bookshop Forrest said,
    “…the type of person that’s going to find the chest is the type of person who can’t keep it quiet.” source: Moby Dickens Bookshop

    So Forrest, why? What about the environment of the treasure chest made you say one should get the hell out (fast)?

    • 42 – Because, maybe the hidey space is just over the YNP border, and Randy, the Hebgen Lake District Ranger, may be hanging around again, across the way, on the shore of Baker’S Hole Campground. Having coffee with Larry, who had William Marvin Fenn as a teacher in Temple Texas. Who said that ALL of that area, across from the suspicious interpretive sign (with the cast Brown trout on ‘IT’) was inside YNP. Which it is certainly not. And who warned us about the vicious otter who attacked a swimmer. I wondered if Larry had ever crossed the Madison to look on the other side of that thick hedge of willows or hazel bushes…

      All IMO.

      • Lisa, thanks for adding entertainment! I appreciate that you always stick to your solution, and keep it fun.

    • He’s not gonna answer that one, but there is a really good reason to get out fast. Although I firmly believe it is in a National Forest, it is in a portion that is NOT public property. This alone is a very key hint to TTOTC. The first stanza also addresses the issue:

      “As I have gone alone IN THERE…” It’s a special place, but not for the public.

  32. This recording doesn’t jive with my solve at all. I always thought “tarry scant” was a reference to the running man. A nod towards his presence nearby carved somewhere. He was the one on the run, I was to simply “marvel gaze” at him and then take his money. “Get the hell outa here” is completely different. If your area isn’t a place you can hang around in, like mine, then perhaps reconsider your area. I could probably stay all year in my spot and nobody would find me.

    Thanks Dal for sharing. I have a ticket to cancel. I was going back next weekend!! Shoot.

  33. I think that a lot of people have boiled down tarry scant to some close version of what Forrest just said. But for me that’s not the most enigmatic part of the phrase. What puzzles me is marvel gaze. I guess it could easily be explained away with the idea that this part of the journey has presented you with a magnificent natural view or ingenious idea about the solve. But I’ve started to lean towards the idea that after the blaze is found, the searcher is left in a state of confusion or at least the need for reflection. Its probably safe to say that most of us can agree that the blaze is of the upmost importance and is most likely in close proximity to the chest. And I think it’s more than a coincidence that he presents us with the most cryptic use of text directly after the searcher has been wise and found the blaze. To me, this is a major price of the riddle and by design hangs up the searcher at that exact part of the poem. So perhaps marvel gaze is Fenn’s chosen terminology for the condition that the searcher is experiencing in that current state of awe and that they should look beyond it for the obvious answer.

    • Another interesting expansion of this idea is that the searcher is left confused and in a state of wonder, is how in the very next stanza is an actual question and answer sequence that Forrest presents the searcher with. It would seem entirely possible that stanza 5 is a more precise explanation of the information used to get beyond marvel gaze and that stanza 6 was the putting of that all together.

      • Double a,

        I will “bite” at your line of thinking. Yet, you are being kind of cryptic. Care to expound upon your theory?

        • I don’t mean to be cryptic but I am not at a place where I can share the experiences that have molded my theories. However sometimes I think that people unknowingly lock themselves into believing the poems meaning rests in probability, in a way too logical. So I like to present plausible alternatives when I think it might help break down this pattern. In my own experience things seem to have progressed very nicely to finding the blaze but from that point the quest seems to have taken on a wild goose chase feel. And the timing of such is that things work very nicely until marvel gaze. And through that transformation, for me personally, marvel gaze seems akin to staring into the abyss.

          I think stanza 4 creates questions that get answered through the question and answer sequence in stanza 5 and are affirmed through stanza 6.

          • You make some really valid points. BOTG are critical early into the poem and at the “marvel gaze” point, it is hard to decifer a specific clue that brings a conclusion. Just several possibilities all requiring BOTG, IMHO. Wish ff would have been more clear, but he never intentended the Chase to be easy. It was Not called The Thrill of the Find, is it?

      • i wouldve said ‘dont crap your pants and wipe that grin off your face and get back to the vehicle’

    • Marvel gaze is as easy as tarry scant.
      * dumbfounded gaze
      * staring amazed, frozen
      * Deer in the headlights
      * staring speechless
      *. Surprised stare

      Don’t sit there with a frozen stare wasting time, get the treasure and get the h*LL out of there!
      K.I.S.S.

  34. Mike was the eyes. Line 15 is hinting at the description of the place as it has a marvelous view. Straightforward really. Anywho our solve is and isnt relative…:)

  35. I remember I didn’t use that line in my solve. But later thought it reduced my search
    area. I guess that didn’t change anything for me. I am think the frogs may be
    important.

  36. It’s been cracking me up for 3 years. FF has been saying all along that you need to simplify. Most searchers are more interested in matching wits with FF than they are in finding his treasure.

  37. OMG…I have said this for N-I-N-E YEARS!
    How many people have said “It doesn’t mean that!”. That’s why I stopped posting and just read things concerning Fenn.

    Get the treasure, don’t dawdle around, leave!

    Gives me greater confidence that I’m on the right track with Fenn!
    Thanks, Dal
    ¥Peace¥

  38. Has anyone thought of asking Forrest if that is what he intended ‘tarry scant’ in the poem to mean?

  39. I’ve been on the road for 4 days driving from Modesto, CA to Rowlett, Texas for my son’s wedding and didn’t discover this post until just now.

    What a remarkable revelation! Thank you so much Dal for sharing it with us and thank you Forrest for clearing that up.

    “It’s not complicated” + “Simplify” (12 Jan 18 – ABC Nightline) + marry clues to a map = KISS in my book.

    Pinatubocharlie

  40. thanks for explaining tarry scant Forrest.
    this is what your prehistoric friends did in TFTW while watching you and your friend dig for artifacts.
    this poem is all too simple for a complicated generation IMO.
    is best to think like a dodo bird.
    did you know the Dodo bird had the sweetest song of any bird?
    only a handful of hungry sailors ever heard it. lulled them to sleep in the evening around the campfire while they digested cooked birds, silently passing gas.
    chicken does that to me too.
    pass gas i mean.

  41. Tarry scant with marvel gaze means don’t hang around gawking?
    That’s it?
    If that’s all you hear you aren’t listening.
    If that’s all you see you aren’t looking
    Forrest always means more than he says, and sometimes
    maybe even says more than he means.
    Indulgence is safe for now. IMO

  42. Very early on, I stopped worrying about Tarry Scant & Marvel Gaze. Like most of you here, (FF too), it seemed reasonable that after finding The Blaze, your quest was very nearly OVER. After Looking Quickly Down, you should be staring at the correct location of Indulgence. It still may not be easy to locate (Hidden does not exclude Buried). Just go get it….but don’t dawdle doing an inventory of Indulgence. Just pack it up and GO!

    Any other interpretation seems “Too Complicated.” [IMHO]

    • But how could that make for an adventure?

      How could reading a book and just going to a place to pick up a check make for an adventure worthy of the daring it would take to create The Chase in the first place?

      My Fenn wouldn’t do it. My Fenn would make you work for it. Eight year old me only ever read enough of a book to gain enough inspiration to go outside and have some fun.

      I was always my own hero. Indiana Jones was MY sidekick.

      • If we use the most common interpretation of The Chase and if we know for certain that the treasure is the journey… what do you find when you find the blaze?

        • P’s… Forrest Fenn is MY sidekick now.

          I had to Google that other guy because I couldn’t remember his name.

  43. not that big of a deal but Ive noticed when F reads the poem he says I can keep my secrets where …. meaning plural. In the book it is I can keep my secret where …. meaning singular. Maybe just a slip.

    • Maybe an apparition? No… aberration?… what’s the word again?

      What if that’s how the lead searcher knows he or she is the lead searcher?

  44. At first read of the poem [and a couple hundred times after] I was under the impression when you “found” the blaze… you were at it… after discovering all the other clue’s references.
    Seems logical enough, it is what we need [the blaze] to find to locate the chest’s hidey spot.

    But when I reread the poem, and keeping in mind this thread [audio], I have to wonder about; bringing a six pack to celebrate; “All that will be needed are the clues, some resolve, a little imagination, and maybe a six-pack to help celebrate the thrill of a breathtaking discovery.”
    https://mysteriouswritings.com/forrest-fenn-friday-questions-on-the-thrill-of-the-chase-treasure-hunt-specialized-knowledge/

    LOL… hold on… If I’m supposed to get my carcass out of there, when do I get to enjoy the six-pack I just lug around while searching…

    So, my question is, not so much where the blaze is, but *when* do we see the blaze?
    If we are at WWsH and told to recognize the path before us [the path {clues} will not be direct for those who have no certainty of the location beforehand] … can the blaze be see from WWsH?
    Is this were… linger for a second or two {Tarry Scant} means get out of where you are [WWsH] and go retrieve the chest? Another-words… what are you waiting for-?- go get the chest.

    I would imagine in this scenario… This is why WWsH is a must have. Why we can’t find the blaze without starting with the first clue. Why a physical presence is needed… rather than a drive by… I would also imagine that each clue’s reference is the path needed to be seen to bring us to what we are looking for… the blaze.
    “If you’ve *been* wise and *found* the blaze, look quickly down, **your quest to cease**… BUT tarry scant with marvel gaze.”
    Is this the real “marvel gaze” we all want to see, more about; having “found” the “blaze”-?- rather than *finding the blaze* as we stomp along some path… or the chest…. but more about *when we see the blaze* and from which clue?

    Could it be that simple?
    Could it be that “tarry scant” is not a warning of being caught, but an instruction of what to “gaze” for… [study, look steadily and intently…] ?
    I’ve said it before; we’re not looking for a hidey spot, nor a chest… that is a lure / prize… we are looking for the blaze.
    Now, lets review stanza 2… what does “take it in” tell us to do?

    ~ Forrest said “Why? What else could it mean?” … “It’s not complicated.”

    • Seeker… I have many thoughts about your post. Most of them are about why my eyes keep rolling back in my head ! Just creepin’ on you man. Seriously… The most important thing I can say right now is that your last two sentences sum it up fairly well for me in regards to your post. You are omitting FOUR words[more than half] from the second line in that stanza. In regards to your last sentence… well… things change drastically if you keep all of the words together. The meaning takes on a completely different perspective than what you’re saying.
      Where are you getting the instruction to break that line of the poem?

      • Begin it where warm waters halt *And* take it in *the canyon down?*

        Well, IT needs a subject… should that subject refer to an action as ‘and’ combining two or more things… Take it in as view gives IT the subject of observing. Canyon [place] down is the *direction to observe* [be it what it may; south, elevation…].
        Although, for some reason a lot of folks think the subject must be mentioned prior… I see no need for that being true, in a poem… because we are supposed to think about deciphering what is being said.
        Like Geysergirl implied… at the blaze, it seems logical the clues [9 specific clues] are the blaze and prior, back to WWsH. So Tarry Scant could be helpful as to “linger” a “short” time.
        But why and where does this really occur?
        Just because that line is later in the poem [ like many others ] are they not useful for helping with an idea, a prior clue?
        I mean, IF Tarry Scant is not a clue… and IF it is not helpful to think about it in a manner of solving anything, be it a clue or a method etc. Then it must be a dead line and only acts as a filler to keep the stanza uniformed.
        Then the same can be said for almost any part if the poem that doesn’t seem to contain a clue{s}.

        In this chat, all I’m thinking about is; the idea of what the riddle of the poem is about. You have me thinking that the poem is the entire riddle vs. any section of it. So could the idea of the poem as a riddle be in how it is read as.. it’s process to complete the task?
        IF so, the information in any riddle is found with in the riddle itself. Right?

        Black and white and red all over, is not about colors… because red is actually read.
        “Take it in” is possibly not about movement but observation.. so “But Tarry Scant with marvel gaze” actually talk references observation ~ GAZE; to study. But why for only a short amount of time?
        IF we need to “plan and observe” when does that observation need to start?

        My explanation implies right at; *Begin* observing where warm waters halt and.. in a direction to look at toward a place.

        Should I take it a step further and break it down to clue counts… you might see WWsH [ a place ] and [ canyon ] a place… two clues with *instruction* to follow… the same for NFBTFW as instruction of what not to do… don’t leave. Put in being instruction of view below and the fourth idea of a clue is hoB.
        WWsH clue 1
        Canyon Clue 2
        hoB clue 4.
        Clue 3 is the process needed to be known.
        “BTSWMG” can be about the same process as to how we process for “your quest to cease”

        This idea now give pause to stanza 3 as being of the same gaze{ing}… Are the clues to be visual “from there”? at WWsH.
        Or if the need to stretch the legs comes into play…”from hoB?”
        In either idea… does tarry scant relate to something prior we needed to gaze at -?- our quest to find the blaze… our quest to finish / complete the poem’s riddle. Riddle being; the process of doing it?

        And I’m full circle to; All the information to find the treasure is in the poem, idea. Including how to proceed, line of thinking.
        That would be a confidence builder in my book… decipher the first clue and know what is expected from the searcher.
        IN THEORY and OPINION…. Why didn’t “more than several” searchers decipher the first two clues, seemingly some or most go by the seven remaining clues, unfortunately walked passed the chest, and possible within less than 500′ of it… never knowing they solve *what* exactly? The places? That seems obvious they knew those, because of being on site and indicating them. But what of the possible instructions -??- the possible correct reading / process?

        If I was looking for a key word that helps more than others, understanding IT would be something of interest. But there’s something else… what is the reason for “look quickly down” … why is this apparently another way of say; Tarry scant with marvel gaze. But are of observing / looking and both are of a short amount of time… and both bookend… “Your quest to cease”

        On the topic matter, and besides the ideas presented. I would love to know what kicked of the conversation / audio above? What was asked /said that is not in the audio in the beginning?

        I’ve listen to the Voice of America [3 videos], but unfortunately there is nothing about Tarry Scant mentioned… Like Dal said; the formal interview was over and he manage to record just a snippet of what was said.

        • Seeker: “Begin it where warm waters halt *And* take it in *the canyon down?*

          Jake: “Begin it where warm waters halt *And* take it *in the canyon down?*

          I like my version better. Such a subtle difference but can change the whole meaning.

    • Hi Seeker. What if it’s not the blaze we are looking for? In reading that line, tarry scant, that’s fine, don’t lollygag, but it’s with “marvel gaze” that we tarry scant. What if “marvel gaze” is an actual, physical thing? What if “marvel gaze” is the hint you find, (which helps with decoding a clue), and thus the reason it is pointless to start looking for the blaze?
      If the blaze is so camouflaged, and cannot be seen, and, we don’t know really what we are looking for, then maybe it’s the “marvel gaze” that we find, and then just look up. The thought being, once you find “marvel gaze” then looking up you will find the blaze, once known, stands out like a sore thumb. Since “marvel gaze” doesn’t help get you closer to the chest, it does help with the clue, the blaze, which then will direct you to the chest.
      The new question then would be, what does he mean by “marvel gaze”? Like he said, there are a lot of blazes, but only one “marvel gaze” thought of by f.
      Everyone is so stuck on thinking that they will see something amazing, what if that is not the case, and “marvel gaze” is actually a marker? A couple of thoughts come up with this idea.
      There would have to be back-up info that supports finding this exact place. Meaning hints to find the hint.
      I would then think that this “marvel gaze” is something that is not out of the ordinary. So people would just dismiss it, walk on by. But a searcher that is aware of it, and finds it, could then find the blaze.
      Also, the blaze is something not expected, out of the ordinary, and not initially seen. Same scenario of people walking right by. This would follow the ATF about there not being an answer to the blaze. (along with hoB, and WWWH), and foolish to just go looking for the blaze. That scenario sounds more like f to me. There’s going to be more into it then just one solution. There is going to be some deception, IMO. What perfect way then to make a seemingly obvious observation turn out to be an actual physical thing that we would have to find to have any chance of finding the blaze.
      This all makes me think even more, and begs the question, do we really go by word definitions/meanings to solve the poem? Ann’s question.
      And like f’s inquiry of the word “crean”, what about searchers 1000 years from now, that don’t know what marvel, gaze, tarry, scant, blaze, or any other words for that matter mean because in that society, they have different words or meanings for those, ancient historical words. How do they solve the poem?
      I believe it is best to expect the unexpected with this poem. That going by face value, while it will all fall together in the end, is not to be used at the beginning.
      I don’t think it’s so much looking for the blaze, the blaze will just happen to be on the path to the chest, it’s more looking for “x”, that spot on a map.
      What if the third clue is just the border between the end of the canyon and the beginning of a forest. It would be easy to miss that reference to the poem, and thus the searcher missing that clue. What if some of the clues are things you would expect to see. A searcher may pay them no mind. But if you have a spot, an “x”, with a clear path to that “x”, then don’t the clues become more of things “observed”?
      Maybe the “observing” comes as you walk your path to “x”. How else could searchers get within 500′,200′, only have 2 clues, maybe 4, and just walk on by the chest, not knowing anything.
      They just had no idea the “path” they needed to follow.

      • poisonivey,

        Interesting… some have had the idea that “marvel gaze” could be [ for example ] a hole in a stone feature. Kinda relating to the idea that it would be found at *HL* and WH. But in most of the ideas this type of gazing though something, a hole, a notch, etc. was considered the blaze for the most part… I think… this is my first time hearing something like your idea wouldn’t produce the hide, but rather, produce the blaze.
        I kinda like it…
        It would fit the idea, as a “quick /quickly” look through it and downward in direction… linger a few second to see what is needed to be “found”
        Just please don’t tell me you’re going to hop in the 4×4 and now drive to the blaze…lol

  45. Seeker, Seeker, Seeker……I really enjoy reading your posts because they are always thought provoking. But (com’on, I know you saw that coming. lol!) it seems you are always wrestling with the poem not being a point-to-point solve. And when I say point-to-point, I don’t mean that “every” clue is a spot on the map, but that all the clues help take you to certain points physically.

    You ask two questions.

    1.) “So, my question is, not so much where the blaze is, but *when* do we see the blaze?”

    2.) “Is this the real “marvel gaze” we all want to see, more about; having “found” the “blaze”-?- rather than *finding the blaze* as we stomp along some path… or the chest…. but more about *when we see the blaze* and from which clue?”

    Good questions, that I think from my perspective, I can answer as one. We could very well see the blaze from WWWH just as you say, BUT we won’t recognize it as such until we follow all the clues prior to the blaze clue. IF, we have gotten all the previous clues correct, then and only then, would we be “certain” we have found the blaze. Can the blaze be the “marvel gaze”? I guess it can be interpreted that way because to your point, we need to find the blaze in order to find the chest. But if I follow Fenn’s direction to follow the poem in order of the clues precisely, the “tarry scant” line comes after we have found the blaze and hopefully now the chest. So I believe the “marvel gaze” is intended to be about the treasure. But all this is just my interpretation of things.

    Another thing that keeps bringing me back to a certain amount of simplicity when trying to decipher the clues is a fact that is brought up on this site over and over… that way back in the very beginning of the search, Fenn stated that (paraphrasing) a few people had gotten the first few clues correct and as close as 200ft. Now I’m no psychologist, but my guess would be that early on in the search, many people simply took the clues at “face value”. That most were not analyzing the crap out of the poem like we all tend to do today. And yet several searchers managed to get that far. Again, this is all speculation on my part, but I think a very viable thought.

    So there’s my 1cent about your comments ( that’s about all I think most of my thoughts are worth lol!….so come on back with your 3! 😉

    • Geyser… I’ve been playing that same tune for some time. I think THE problem is not about later clues in the poem… more likely it is after the second clue that everything goes haywire. Folks VERY early on got close… this has been spoken of many times and it seems prudent to believe that it was fairly basic thinking that got them to the correct area. There were very few bloggers/comments… minimal comments from Fenn… very little noise/interference etc. to over complicate things. Anyways… thanks for the comment. Happy searching.

      • Exactly Ken. I seem to be coming quickly around to the beginning part of that full 360 degree circle and going back to the basics. Probably not even visiting the blogs as often as I want to clear my head and really “think.” It’s maddening to me to know the answer is right there in front of us all, and yet here we are STILL yakking away with no definitive proof! LOL!

        Happy searching to you and most important, have fun and stay safe!

        • Geyser girl – when I get to the end, first I like to know where was it that he hid the tc – first he went alone in there to hide his treasure where he can keep his secrets new and old you cant stumble over it . if only I would of figured out what stanza 1 meant I wouldn’t be standing here looking dumb not knowing out of all I learned and I didn’t figure stanza 1

      • Ken,
        I believe you’re correct about the “haywire” part, but I will posit that a major problem for many searchers occurs just BEFORE the second clue. IMO, even if we do correctly guess the first two clues but miss applicable instructions in or around that part of the neighborhood, we will be unable to correctly guess the third clue. It’s a “one hand washes the other, both hands wash the face” kind of thing.

        One additional point I’d like to address that may be relevant to this thread has to do with stanzas four, five, and six. I realize Forresst doesn’t like rules and even if he did, poetry is art and any author can do what they wish. Though, the possibility exists that F did adhere to grammatical standards.

        I know enough about grammar to be dangerous, and it’s plausible coordinating conjunctions are a factor in the last three stanzas. The words for-and-nor-but-or-yet-so are coordinating conjunctions. They join words and clauses/phrases and, perhaps in this case, stanzas. So, is it plausible stanza five is “joined” to stanza four, and is six joined to five? Is that a plausible interpretation of F’s intent?

        If we are to believe we have eyes on the chest in stanza four, why two more stanzas? IMO, if we don’t create for ourselves appropriate choices, we can’t make good, or the best, decisions – in this case, we’ll be unable to make the right decisions – so by creating more choices, we increase the probability of including the right one.

        I don’t have the chest and am in no position to give advice, but I hold one comment from F above all others, so I’m just going to leave this here:
        “Emily, [a]ll of the information you need to find the treasure is in the poem.”
        https://dalneitzel.com/2012/01/26/is-the-book-important/

        I’m easily confused, and when I become very, very confused about my solution, I heed F’s comment to Emily – just sayin’.

        Joe

        • Hey Joe… Thanks for the input. One point that I would make in response is that I can’t quite get past your second sentence, starting with ” IMO, even if we do correctly *guess* the first two clues….”. If you changed *guess* to [figure out], or [decipher] I might feel more agreeable with what the rest of your position is. I feel that the clues… starting with the first one… need to be deciphered from the poem. No guess work… especially the first clue.
          Without making things complicated… I believe the first stanza sets the tone/backdrop, and is necessary to learn where the first clue is. We all now know absolutely that *begin it where warm waters halt* is the first clue. The remainder of that sentence has been debated to death… *and* is open to interpretation per the individual searcher’s preference, and/or needs. I really don’t believe it will end up being all that complicated in retrospect. In short… for me… clues 1-9 are most likely in stanzas 2, 3, and 4.
          That leaves stanzas 5 and 6 doesn’t it? I don’t discount them one bit… *and*… like stanza 1 I believe they do serve a purpose for the ‘successful searcher’.
          (original)… The Emily quote should be number one or two in every searcher’s toolbox. Getting back in the box and remembering that the poem is straight forward has helped me reel it back in many times. Good luck to you Joe….

    • Geysergirl,

      I wouldn’t call it wrestling with the point to point method, as much as the question; are we reading the poem as intended by the author?
      Very early on [2013, for me] all I saw was the same method or process with only the names and places changed up some. No method, then or now, that I have read [hundreds, on different blogs, saw on video’s etc.] is anything but a point to point solution attempt. Why is this?
      The other point to this is; most [not all] only describe a solution with only 2 or 3 stanzas involved, up to the line IYBWAFTB. However, the use of other stanzas are being considered a bit more in recent years.
      My post above is like that… I attempt to see how Tarry Scant can relate to ‘leaving’ as helpful to “when and where” one should leave, and why it might concern other clues.
      Just because it sits in the poem where it does, doesn’t mean it relates to the ending result… but it can help with the “quest” to cease. The “end result” is the retrieval of the chest, the proof of finishing the task correctly.
      “Your Quest to cease” might imply a connection to a previous clue and help with how the poem could be read as.
      Could it be when we read “down” in line 6? “Below” in line 8?
      Can it related to HLnWH-?- as two prior clues we seen from one to find the other? Does Gazing have anything to do with the solve??? I would think so when we have been told to “plan and observe.” and It’s not a matter of trying, it’s a matter of thinking”

      The other option is… don’t walk, run away with the chest, don’t get caught or else.
      I’m just not buying that idea… not when we have; WhatIF there are no legal questions… Bring a sixer to celebrate… it’s not in a dangerous place [meaning; a need to leave for safety reasons]… I mean, if the chest hide is isolated, what’s the big hurry?
      So I’ll repeat the question; “when” are we to take a short amount of time to gaze.. for are “quest”? {IMO the quest is about finding the blaze and having the first clue to do so, right?}
      I think it can relate to the idea of “take it in” as a view to study, but it shouldn’t take all day to find what is needed to cease the task at hand, line of thinking.
      Yep, imo, Tarry Scant with marvel gaze can indicate/help how we understand what is needed to be done on site, and how the poem could be read as… other than the common used method of stomping point to point.
      LOL It seems all are stumped at the first two clues, and the leave the poem… what makes them leave? From what I see it might all fall down to the method of how to proceed.
      I’m just looking over the poem to see if it tells me to try / thing about another method other than; a typical treasure hunt style.
      All the information is supposed to be in the poem; to find the treasure chest… right? Would it be too far fetch to think the method of operation is there as well?

      • Seeker – I get where you are coming from and agree on exploring the what ifs…..but I also think using a point-to-point solve in SOME capacity is needed.

        “No method, then or now, that I have read [hundreds, on different blogs, saw on video’s etc.] is anything but a point to point solution attempt. Why is this?”

        Because it simply seems to make the most sense. And I say “seems to make the most sense” because to your point, we may not be reading/deciphering the poem entirely as it was intended. But whether someones solve takes them physically to all the clues, or just some of the clues with others being an alternative method, the bottom line is you need to get SOMEWHERE. From the start to the finish…point-to-point.

        Myself and so many others could be wrong, but I think for now, I’m still in the point-to-point camp. And BTW, my point-to-point is only three physical points….Beginning, Middle, End.

        All that said, go out this Spring and find the chest! I’ll be the first to say, “Dang…..Seeker was right!” 🙂

    • Geysergirl, ~ *But if I follow Fenn’s direction to follow the poem in order of the clues precisely, the “tarry scant” line comes after we have found the blaze and hopefully now the chest.*

      Not Follow the poem in order… Follow the “clues” {9 clues} is what we are told. We also have been told; the poem has all the information.

      Logically, and simplistically, one could say all the information are the clues.
      But what of the rest of the “deliberate words” in the poem? Is everything needed to know about, in the same order?

      That is one of my points. Not unlike being asked about home of Brown, he said, In the wood is in the poem too. By your standards it comes after the blaze… so is it non-important to a solution? Stanza 1 comes before the clues, is that non important?
      Clues are supposed to lead us to the chest, the blaze being one of those clues, But what of the rest of the “information in the poem” -?- does basically 3 stanza not serve a purpose in some form or another?

      Hence the idea, Tarry scant could be referring to a method of how to understand what it is we are gazing * for *. And should “Take it in” reference looking for something.
      Tarry to mean [as fenn stated above in the audio] “…hang around”… “Tarry means wait around”
      “And scant means… …for a second or two.”

      The question should be; IF this scenario is feasible; Why hang around and why such a short amount of time seeing the poem’s words where chosen deliberately?

      What we don’t have in the audio is, what brought on the part of the conversation of; “F: Take the chest and get the hell out of here.”
      Is fenn defining his meaning in the poem? or repeating what blogger think? We don’t know what exactly he was referencing because we don’t know what the lady stated or asked… but it is clear Tarry means to wait and Scant means for a second or two.

      • Seeker – I think we are going around in circles a bit with agreeing on most things only expressing them differently, and not agreeing on some. So I think I’ll make this my last comment on this topic. (Besides, I work from home and my clients are back in full force so I’ll have a little less time for the friendly “chatting” LOL!)

        You state above: “That is one of my points. Not unlike being asked about home of Brown, he said, In the wood is in the poem too. By your standards it comes after the blaze… so is it non-important to a solution? Stanza 1 comes before the clues, is that non important?”

        Of course it’s ALL important. Here’s how I see the poem.

        Stanza 1 Hints to where to start looking for WWWH

        Stanzas 2-4 The clues on how to get to the chest, the ones that need to be followed in order.

        Stanzas 5,6 Hints to help with the 9 clues

        You state: ” Why hang around and why such a short amount of time seeing the poem’s words where chosen deliberately?”

        To me, “But tarry scant with marvel gaze, just take the chest and go in peace” is not “cryptic” in any way. It simply means what it implies, don’t hang around staring for too long. It’s best to quietly retreat with your “find” back to your car. And why is that? Because, maybe, just maybe, it is hidden in a place where you don’t want to be caught “finding” it.

        All IMO of course. 🙂

        • I would agree with your “tarry scant” version IF stanza 4 wasn’t a full sentence. If this stanza was two sentences stopping at cease {period} your version works for me.
          IMO as one sentence it talks about what is needed now vs. what you do after.
          But; can be used as introducing something else to something said… as I think it means because of a full sentence.
          Or
          Your version seems to use but as; apart from.
          I just don’t think it’s {apart from} true being one sentence.
          I can’t separate stanza 4 into two different things..It seems to be one; as a set of instructions.
          We just see it differently by definition usages.

          Thanks for the friendly debate…

          • I remember being taught to never start a sentence using “But” or “And”. Grammatically, unless it is cryptic in some way, it is correct for that stanza to be a single sentence. Read it like this, “If you’ve been wise and found the correct spot then look down because there’s the chest, but don’t stare too long, just take it and leave. If “the blaze” line is indeed the last clue, and the clues get progressively easier, I would assume that line (the last clue) and the subsequent lines in that stanza are pretty easy to figure out. Note f’s candid conversation about “tarry scant”, he basically gives away the fact that it means exactly what it says and doesn’t require deciphering.

            You also mention that the “but” part can introduce something else to something said. IMO that is what it does, regardless of that stanza being 1 or 2 sentences. The first set of directions is to look down if you’ve found the correct spot to which the blaze refers, the second set of directions tells you what to do in place of what you may otherwise wish to do. After all that work solving the clues, finding f’s secret spot and finding the treasure, would your instinct be to immediately leave? Not likely. Therefore the “but” introduces an instruction to the finder that he/she would otherwise not choose to do. The fact that the stanza is one sentence just seems to be that it is grammatically correct.

            It does seem that a new view of how to interpret the poem would be useful. IMO that would be more useful for the first handful of clues but not necessarily the last one.

            By the way, I’m starting to subscribe more to the “take it in” being of a literal view of where you’re at.

          • Distant Logic,

            Do you subscribe both “but” { stanza 2 and 4 } are of the same usage?
            I think they are of different meanings/usage.
            For example; IF “but” in stanza 4 was to say “Don’t” linger to look at the shiny trove… the line could have read with many other words to make a point, such as, Only, tarry scant with marvel gaze… to mean; “only” for a very short time, because “Tarry and Scant relates to the action of “quickly”… however, fenn deliberately chose word for a reason. right?
            ~The look like simple words, only he guarantees us, he worked on that poem to get it just right.

            The use of “but” by definitions, give pause for thought to which is possible and probable… in a poem we are to understand that every word was deliberate, and not to discount any word.
            I mean, IF “but” in stanza 2 is meant as “don’t walk”.. one message could be to leave, right? especially IF we are to view something from WWsH. However, did fenn use one definition/usage or did he have options…

            Now.. I like what you said about the idea of the last clue.
            I have asked can an instruction be a clue? If so, the last clue should be considered “look quickly down, your quest to cease”
            This idea of “down” doesn’t have a N.S.E.W. direction, yet, could involve elevation. [ also could involve the chest is at your feet, hidden away]
            In either case the last clue; is of an instruction, and can’t be see from GE [I’ll even add, a map, because fenn made both tools equal. “GE and/or a good map”
            If this is the case of “look quickly” then it add credence to the idea “tarry scant with marvel gaze be a part of an instruction regarding “look quickly”
            Both “tarry scant” and “quickly” have one thing in-common… Time.

            You have to ask why time might be relevant. Or chose not to… but there is options for interpretation{s}.

            In one of the recent videos fen implied he looked up word and found he didn’t know the definitions of some. In a radio interview [ that is no long available] he states he looked up word and definitions of word. In a Q&A he challenge a searcher to write down the definition of several, then look the meanings up… and how many don’t understand the word they use everyday.

            So I’ll repeat my question;
            Do you subscribe both “but” { stanza 2 and 4 } are of the same usage/definition/meaning?
            A simple error in judging which meaning is used where can make a big difference… the same for “take something {IT} in”.. “put in” and other words such as “place”

            Just sayin….

  46. Geysergirl,
    I agree with your take on this. F has said many times to simplify, to not complicate things. He has also said when asked how long it would still be out there, F said that he is still surprised that someone hasn’t found it already. He originally wanted to print very few books and give them to friends to search. But they couldn’t print so few as he wanted. If not for the in-flight magazine article, the search would have gone just as he originally planned.

    • Besides that they were self published. And if ff had to print a 1000 copy minimum run, or something, I am sure he would be willing eat the cost of 1000, and have them only print 100. They will print what you tell them to, when you are paying. (IMO)

  47. Hi Rick

    As we all know, nothing is for sure until someone finds the treasure, but it’s fun to speculate and get others viewpoints.

    You state above: “He originally wanted to print very few books and give them to friends to search. But they couldn’t print so few as he wanted. If not for the in-flight magazine article, the search would have gone just as he originally planned.”

    I have never heard this before, which I find a bit strange because this would be interesting to know. Can you site where you came across this information? Not trying to discredit you, just curious.

    Thanks, Geysergirl

  48. GG,
    IMO there are a LOT of opinions. I think that is awesome. I have been reading and listening and enjoying every thing and every one that has shared their opinions since this chase has begun. I’ve held back my thoughts most of the time but recently there have been too few that really listen to what F is saying IMO. Simplify. He said earlier he structured the poem as if he were an architect with every word crafted. He also said there were no double entendres, or miss spelled words or misplaced punctuations. That being said, simplify. And doesn’t anyone wonder why he uses the word, “wood”? Most would have used woods plural. That sounds like a ‘key word’ IMO. Lol
    Thank you and all the other searchers opinions. I thoroughly enjoyed them.
    Rick Lasttolook

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