Tarry Scant…

 

SUBMITTED OCTOBER 1st, 2019
by DAL

 

In September of 2019 I visited Forrest and was at his home when Penelope and Mike arrived for their meeting. They are from Voice of America and were there to record an interview with Forrest for a story about the treasure.

Penelope is the reporter and Mike is the cameraman. I asked, and received permission to audio record their interview with Forrest for the blog while they were taping.

That entire audio interview will be posted later.

This particular snippet occurred after the formal interview was over. Mike had stopped his video recording, Penelope and Forrest fell into a casual conversation and I stopped my recording. I got up to stretch my legs and had taken only a few steps away from my recorder when I heard Penelope ask Forrest, “What does tarry scant mean?”.

I did not think much of the question because Forrest always seems to answer those direct questions about the poem with one of two typical responses.

Either, “I don’t want to give out any more hints.”

or

“I’m not going to answer that right now.”

But to my amazement he started in with an actual answer. I swiveled around and leaped for my recorder and microphone, turning it on and pointing the mic at him as he was repeating what he had just said. I barely caught his response…

This is only a 20 second clip so you can play it over again until you are satisfied you heard it correctly. The noise is from me trying to get the mic pointed at Forrest.

Here is a transcription of the actual words spoken by Forrest and Penelope:

F: …hang around
P: (interrupting) Don’t hang around.
F: Take the chest and get the hell out of here.
P: Okay
F: Tarry means wait around
P: Okay
F: And scant means…
P: (interrupting) Okay
F: …for a second or two.
P: uh huh, uh huh
F: I don’t have the slightest idea what I’m talking about.
P: I don’t know. I got the sense of urgency….
F: Yeah
P: …when you say that. That there’s some urgency there.
F: Yeah

Later that day after Mike and Penelope had left I mentioned to Forrest that I was surprised that he had answered her question about tarry scant. Forrest said “Why? What else could it mean?”
I responded that searchers had been talking about what those words meant from the very beginning of the search.
Forrest just shook his head and said, “It’s not complicated.”

 

There are two posts with two different versions of the edited story on the VOA website:

https://www.voanews.com/episode/fact-or-fiction-treasure-important-and-thrill-hunt-4045401

https://www.voanews.com/arts-culture/thousands-scout-rocky-mountains-hopes-finding-treasure

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

153 thoughts on “Tarry Scant…

    • yet if one were to query every searcher, none would change their current solution, as the ones who believe it to mean the above would feel there is no reason to change, and the ones who believe it to have dual meanings, would still continue to believe it also has a dual meaning as it always had before.

      so what changed?

      except for the possible interpretation of: “hey why such a hurry, hang around awhile and enjoy the view”,

      but that still does not change ones solution, just their interpretation that the line doesn’t help with their solution for one or the other meanings.. still didn’t change their solution since they are not using it as a clue in that form.

      so what really changed? not much…

      now if the reporter had asked, “what does drawing nigh” mean… then we would have some change for the people who had assumed it to be the more uncommon usage, simply because it was “uncommon”.

      • Exactly this. Even haf she ask ed What does chest mean, what does cease mean, she would get the obvious answers. But had she asked, Are there multiple meanings where at least one other meaning must be taken into account to solve the poem puzzle – I doubt the answer would be forthcoming.

        In the end nothing has changed for me. Panic over.

  1. It means quickly marvel at the treasure you just found, then get out of there before the Ranger sees you!

    Thanks for sharing Dal & Forrest.

    • Never mind the Ranger,there won’t be one..He is saying don’t bring any attention to yourself,there might be other searchers or hikers around..You now have one million plus in your possession..Time to get the hell out of there..Just one mans opinion..

      • I appreciate your opiñon, but I’m not worried about a fly fisherman upstream retrieving his cast and attacking me for my tackle box full of gold.

        • Would you worry about a hunter with guns that didn’t bag there bounty? I know we are all not bad but big money changes some people on a dime to where others always think that way.
          I’m outta there quick!

          • Jake you are 100% correct..Once gold fever kicks in you can’t predict what one person might think..Take for instance someone who feels because he has been in the chase along time there is a certain perception that he feels those around him have a duty to accommodate him…If you happen to be hauling out the treasure and not using any discretion, you might be in a lot of trouble..Keep your mouth shut and get the hell out of there. Just one mans opinion..

          • I would worry wherever I am when carrying a few million.
            Not something we do every day and you will have to be more aware unless you do this all the time.
            It’s no joke and walk thru the park.

            Fenn was probably very paranoid until it was hidden and that would explain the euphoria after it was hidden when he laughed at himself out load when no ones around but he probably knew the right time to do it.

  2. This has always been my interpretation of it. I’m glad that I wasn’t wrong lol

    Thanks for the info Dal, I look forward to hearing the rest

  3. This has always been my interpretation of it. I’m glad that I wasn’t wrong lol

    Thanks for the info Dal, I look forward to hearing the rest.

      • How can you state that as a fact? Have you found Indulgence, but just don’t want to disclose it, and Forrest agrees to keep the search going despite the fact that Indulgence has been found? Just askin’ JDA

        • I still don’t believe that Forrest would create a treasure hunt with no chest to be found. I think the key lies in brave and in the wood. But I’m slow. Still thinking.

        • JDA, I said, I pretty much know, that means it’s my opinion, It’s my opinion there are pictures of it on the blog. And, why should you disclose it to Forrest or anyone and ruin it for all the adventures and puzzle enthusiast out there, let them discover it for themselves even though Indulgence is gone. No one needs to know. lol

      • ManOwar;

        If there are pictures on the blog of Indulgence, then you would “Know for a fact” – not “Pretty much know.” JMO – JDA

          • Again sir;

            You are saying,” I said pictures of the “place” or area of Indulgence.” You are saying, AS A FACT that there are pictures of the AREA or PLACE where Indulgence is. Without Indulgence you can not KNOW that there are pictures of the AREA or PLACE where Indulgence is – It is your OPINION that there are pictures on the blog that show where Indulgence MAY be. PLEASE be careful. Not trying to be a traffic cop. I just like it when fact and opinion are clearly separated. At my age, I can get the two confused easily – 🙂 JDA

          • Hi JDA,
            I like your logic in this discussion 🙂
            Indeed, it’s impossible to publish “pictures of the “place” or area of Indulgence” if you don’t have indulgence in your hands. Of course, you can publish the map of 4 states and in this case it will be true “area of indulgence” 🙂
            Also it is possible that finder will never reveal both area and poem solution to public and will ask Forrest not publish it. He/she will just send silver bracelet to Forrest and keep a silence forever. But at least all searchers will know that the chase is over and it’s time to stop BOTG.

          • Here is your post: You did NOT say “In my opinion” – ManOwar on October 2, 2019 at 1:26 pm said:

            I didn’t say pictures of Indulgence I said pictures of the “place” or area of Indulgence. Please read slowly.

            I will drop it – You said what you said… and didn’t say.
            JDA

          • JDA, In that that post I was referring to my post to which you questioned.

            “JDA, I said, I pretty much know, that means it’s my opinion, It’s my opinion there are pictures of it on the blog. And, why should you disclose it to Forrest or anyone and ruin it for all the adventures and puzzle enthusiast out there, let them discover it for themselves even though Indulgence is gone. No one needs to know. lol” OPINION, OPINION.

            Yes, drop it. Didn’t you just say: “At my age, I can get the two confused easily – JDA”

  4. But he also stated before that it’s not hidden in a dangerous place. So….where could there be a place you need to take it and go…quickly?

      • IMO it means get out of the public eye, it’s close to a public road. How far off of the road would you go at almost 80?

        I love it! He’s always said to keep it simple and I think if we can remember to stay in the mindset of a preteen age adventurer it doesn’t need to be overly complicated.

        After 9+ years I get the feeling that Forrest would like us to get on with it and figure it out.

        Have fun and good luck to all.

    • You are forgetting that this is Forrests personal special place you are invading. He just wants you to take it and go away from here. You won, now take it and leave without disturbing his church place.

      • His personal place doesn’t have to be that far from a road IMO. I’ve seen several that would qualify on my BOG hikes in and around Yellowstone. He was a young man for many summers there and that what makes the most sense to me. Just my opinion, doesn’t have to be yours.

    • James C.,

      It’s not in a dangerous place if you don’t stay too long, It’s only dangerous if you hang around because of a certain condition. It’s not dangerous to jump into a pool of 34 degree water but if you stay in there for a long time guess what.

  5. I always thought it meant wait alittle. That’s basically what forrest said
    But why change it and say don’t hang around get the hell outta there.this is double sided to me.so you can get in trouble if you hang around like jail or prison or get killed?

  6. I have always believed that this sentence was just filler since it replaced “leave my bones and go in peace.” from the original version of the poem.

  7. So get out before you’re seen where you’re not supposed to be. Assuming you have to go past the blaze to the shower…

  8. I have always took this line as literal. Not everything is a butterfly is a flutterby in the poem. I think a creek is a creek and warm water is water that is warm. Etc.

  9. Honestly, how can one find so many ambiguous word definition patterns that are so distinctly linked and come away with “not complicated”? It absolutely boggles my simple brain.

  10. I don’t believe him.
    It means a tar covered scant (small) rock at a place that has to be a clue.
    Not.
    No clue here, just action as most logical KISS thinkers do.
    Maybe a hint that there are folks around that may see you if you hang around.

      • I meant to say “are you serious about tar-covered rocks?
        This is important to me. What would you say about a tar-covered rock with a marvel (iridescent) glaze?

        • I would say have a look at Hanna, WY, the marble (fricative V) observance (scant) that has asterisks from 1903 (dad’s birth) and 1905 (Eric’s birth). The observance is of coal miners, where tar and coke (cape) is a by-product (really? this word?) of coal. Therefore, it is literally a tarry scant with marvel gaze. Around this area you might also coincidentally associate some Whiles who were once upon, as well as a Poulos, a skald bard, who is also a “quickly down”. Words can be fun.

          • Dang. “Cape” should be “caps”. Observance = gaze. A scant is a slab. Wish we could edit our own stuff on this blog “tool”.

      • Ya know… there are a few rocks around WY that have many “years” etched into them (aka dance = rock and sway, millennia = years thousand…), and some still visible with tar markings… so I wouldn’t be too quick to discount.

        I’m also aware of a scant with several asterisks that was placed as a marker to remember those who perished in coal mines, where coke and tar are a by-product. But hey, that’s just me and my weird associations.

    • Yep, Jake. I guess we found out that JDA needs to go back to the drawing board. Didn’t he just tell me ystdy that we may find out one day which one of us is correct about another issue in the Chase. Guess we found out sooner than he thought that this major piece of his solve prbly isn’t correct.

      I think this isn’t good for the nine sentences are the nine clues crowd.

      • F.D.

        I wouldn’t be too quick to gloat. Didn’t Forrest say, “It’s not complicated.” … and It’s not. Shadows and black rocks are not complicated. I know, Confirmation Bias can keep one thinking wrong when all evidence says right. Oh well, I have always been slow at learning life’s lessons – 🙂 JDA

          • As the old saying goes – “Time will tell” FD. Have a nice winter. We are all tied for last at the moment – none of us have found Indulgence – JDA

          • Isn’t the goal to find Indulgence? Maybe it is the thrill of the chase. Maybe it is the knowledge that one was able to solve the poem’s riddle. Maybe it is the challenge. But in the end for any of these things to become a reality, one MUST find Indulgence – So to me, it IS all or nothing.

            Sure, I love being in the mountains. I love doing things with my family members. Sure, I love learning new things, but in the end, it IS all about finding Indulgence. If it isn’t – drop the search, and just go out into the mountains with family members or friends. You can still do those things without the Chase – JMO – JDA

          • FD;
            On October 2, 2019 at 8:48 am you said:

            JDA, I don’t think it’s all or nothing.

            I replied back saying that I felt that finding Indulgence was what it is all about (paraphrasing).

            You now say that we have to agree to disagree…to what? How can one agree to a negative? All you are saying is that you do NOT believe that it is “All or nothing.” If this is true, what do you think that it IS all about? With an answer to what you believe it it, we might agree to disagree. I can not agree to something that it is NOT. Get my point?

            I told you why I think that finding Indulgence is what it is all about.

            If finding Indulgence is NOT what it is all about, what IS it all about.

            Thanks in advance for your reply – JDA

          • FD;

            “All or nothing…” Is it OK to solve only the first five clues, and then ask Forrest for 1/2 of the treasure?

            How silly. It is “All or nothing.” Getting 1, 5, 7 or even 8 clues right will buy you “nothing” One MUST solve all nine – It is “All or nothing.” JMO – What is yours? – JDA

          • JDA, I’m gonna keep focusing on the first clue.

            Ain’t worried about this.

            You can focus on the above if you want.

      • The kicker is, that some will still think “tarry scant” or this line is a clue but in reality it can’t be because Fenn specified what it means to him and it’s not a place (although it’s at the place where the treasure is) or directions on a map.
        Done deal.
        Have fun chasing tar (looking) covered rocks in the shadows. lol
        So much for flogic.

    • It is a clue. The clue is tarry (covered in tar), not tarry scant. Forrest wrote the poem as a story within which the clues are hidden. Do people really believe that you have to be bold and brave and willing to risk cold temperatures in order to find the treasure? The story is a cover. That’s why it’s so clever. If you keep it simple then all you have is a nonsensical tale about someone who isn’t meek and is brave and doesn’t linger and is a quick looker who must also apparently bring a sweater for this sudden cold spell they’re going to be hit with. Of course tarry scant means don’t linger very long. What else could it mean? Forrest is 100% correct. But the clues are within the poem, not the silly story of the poem itself. All IMO of course. If you’re keeping it simple. I suggest you bring mittens for when it gets cold.

      • Warlock62: “not the silly story of the poem itself”

        Silly story of the poem???
        That’s all I need to hear from you….
        That was a very silly comment and I don’t think you have a clue what a clue is.

        • Ok Jake then keep it simple. Just bring a parker for when it gets cold and don’t get run over by those meek people when they retreat in fear, realizing they went where it was no place for them to be. The keep-it-simple folks ignore almost 50 percent of the poem when they stop and look down near the blaze. Forrest was an architect writing the poem and almost every single word is important(the words not the story!! Do you see the difference?) But you ignore the last 2 and half stanzas as if Forrest were wasting his time when he wrote them. Ignoring half the poem sure is simplifying things though. I have to give you credit for that.

          • Yup, keep it simple, stupid.
            I wont bring a parker when searching in summer.
            I wont get run over because I wont be crossing any roads o foot.
            This is getting really silly.
            Fenn didn’t say he was an architect.
            Anything else you want to say that is incorrect?

            I don’t ignore any words in the poem. I just think the other words that are not clues are hints and not places or directions.

            You watched too much SNL back in the day.

    • You should believe him. It’s not a clue, it’s an instruction. You should have the chest in hand when your quest ceases, so instead of standing around admiring the view while holding $2+mil, get out of dodge ASAP. Like Forrest said, “Why? What else could it mean? It’s not complicated.”

  11. Wow! But it makes perfect sense, but was does “I don’t know what I’m talking about” mean? Why would he say that…..

  12. “What else could it mean?” What else indeed. Sounds like Forrest “told the truth.” Refer back to TTOTC “What have we learned?” and Moby Dickens “felt like an architect.” Forrest has employed double-entendres before; if he could do so in the poem, do you think he could resist? “It looks like just simple words there, but…”

    • I mean, it can mean several meanings. The word “mean” even seems meaningful as he uses this frequently to correct his own PRINTED TEXT. Who does that?? Who writes something out, then writes more to correct it instead of just restructuring and deleting the original? “Not complicated” is not how we think of not complicated.

    • ManOwar: I agree. Thus tarry doesn’t mean covered in tar (AFAIC), “drawing nigh” doesn’t mean left, “warm waters” references waters that are warm, “not far but too far to walk” is a distance (however long or short) that I shouldn’t be walking, and by the time I’ve reached “If you’ve been wise…” in the poem, I’ve already found the blaze. Easy-peasy. But that’s not ALL the words in the poem are used for, IMO.

      Forrest said he felt like an architect drawing that poem, and if a searcher doesn’t figure out exactly what he meant by that, then I believe they are destined to return from each BOTG trip weighing more or less the same as before they left.

  13. So, once you find the chest…. Wait for a second or two and then get the hell out of there.
    That is not a clue but sure it’s a hint.
    It eliminates many places.
    Thank you Dal and Forrest!

  14. That’s how I always understood it. I had thought about it meaning a tar covered rock or something like that at one point but after hearing Forrest read the poem aloud, how could it be taken any other way?

    TimM

  15. That combined with… “Look quickly down, your quest to cease”
    Why do we have to “quickly” look down? What is the urgency?

    • Pablo- I have asked myself that same question over and over . Why can’t we just look down or even look slowly down? Why quickly?

    • I don’t take look quickly down as being defined in the sense of an urgent action to avoid danger or being seen but more in line with Forrest is giving us directions and our duty once finding the blaze is to look quickly or immediately down for our next place to go. The real question for me is just what in the world is Forrest’s definition of down? Is it from above to below, is it north to south, is it down elevation or is it really north but downstream? There’s a dandy that I’d like to know.

      • Double a;

        Did you know that “quickly” can also mean an aromatic aroma? Maybe Forrest is saying to look towards a group of pine trees – with their aromatic aroma. Just thought I would throw that out there – since you weren’t confused enough 🙂 JDA

        • Down can mean: ” toward or to the ground, floor, or bottom”
          The place that the aromatic pine needles fall – below the trees – JDA

      • well that one is easy, any one ever versed in “maps”, will roll it up and slap you across the head with it, if you ever referred to “south” as “down”.

        try it… if you were in the military, they might just shoot you instead.. depending on the country.

        • Writis;

          I spent twenty years in the Marine Corps, and “Down” on a map was always south – unless you were standing on your head 🙂 JDA

          • and now think back into that time when you were in the Marine corp, now point at a spot on a map of the top of a round hill, and suggest to a superior to go down from there… what would that superior do? what would be their next question, after you finished the kp duty suddenly assigned. 🙂

            (I was not referring to how one hangs a map on a wall, I am referring to how one reads a map)

          • Writis;

            One would use coordinates. One would never “say” down – One would direst gunfire, or state an objective in terms of coordinates. Let’s be serious – JDA

          • and in case you are still in doubt, find the “down” direction on a compass… or listen to air traffic control for pilots & controllers communications to each other, military or civilian, in any country, for anything ever referring to south as “down”, and you will quickly figure out that it is never done… ever, which will be a quick and intuitive learning exercise as to why it is not done.

          • In Maine “down East” means the coast.

            (Of course in Maine “you can’t get there from here.”)

            Wasn’t it Horace Greeley who famously said –

            “Go Left, young man, go Left.
            There is health in the country, and room away
            from our crowds of idlers and imbeciles.
            Go Left, young man, and grow up with the country.”

            Jake

  16. Looks like the chest is in a place where common sense tells us not to go there (but kids don’t use that often so they have an advantage over adults). And Forrest did it twice! He sure thought “I did it, and I did it twice, that will teach them a lesson”.

    • I’m beginning to think that “kid” is in reference to a baby goat. Especially since SB about the goat cast in bronze.

    • Amy…it’s a Forest.
      Remember in ’17 he said if your solve is in the desert, get another solve? That’s because there were no trees.
      That was the year I searched for someone, and it lead us to a desert near Lander. Sarcophagus Butte. I emailed F about the circus BOTG, and F came out with that advice the next day! 🙂
      “Wood” is definitely trees!!!

  17. “F: Take the chest and get the hell out of here.”

    My post recalling the opening scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark awaits moderation, but while in classic cinema mode, I can’t help but also consider the line from Forrest Gump:

    Run, Forrest, run!!

  18. I’d only stay a second or two in a place that was cold. That I already had to “brave”. Could be in a pool of cold water, cave or behind a waterfall. Which would mean marvel gaze is referring to the treasure itself and this line is in fact, prob not a clue. If it’s truly “not complicated” then there only so many directional clues preceding this line. By the time you are at HOB, you’ve got to be damn close to the blaze (double omega, written / etched on a stone —end is ever “drawing” nigh/near) . In my opinion To get from HOB to blaze all you’ve got is one stanza the key being heavy loads and water high. Train tracks, water tower or waterfall. I’ve been looking at Pinos river lately, Toltec railroad was built to support silver mining (riches old). Don’t have HOB,
    Don’t have wwwh, so I’ve been mainly playing Canasta :)))

  19. Hmmm. Wait around. And that there would be some urgency. I’ll say. Yeah that is definitely crystal clear just like the poem. Except I suspect some of us still aren’t getting it. This has to be the toughest nut to crack that I’ve ever known. Thank you Dal for posting! And thank you Forrest for keeping us all engaged!

  20. Ah…..the plot thickens. In the beginning “as I have gone alone in there” must be somewhere it seems that you better make haste to get out of. That being said it might shed some light on…..”no place for the meek”. It is 30 days till Halloween and I am already shak’in in me boots.

    NOW let’s see….it has to be a place with both new and old riches.

    I get a lot done when I talk to myself.

    The new riches might be the chest….but what could be the “old riches”?

    To a nine year old an arrowhead could be considered “old riches”.
    A saber toothed tiger skull could also be considered “old riches” as well as the tusk of a megafauna mammoth.

    If “tarry scant” means get the hell out of there then maybe THE THRILL OF THE CHASE has new meaning. You being chased and not you doing the chasing.

    I”m checking under my bed before lights out tonight!

  21. The question asked was: “What does tarry scant mean?”
    Too bad they didn’t ask: “What does ‘But tarry scant with marvel gaze’ mean?”
    Don’t mess with the poem; The complete line means more than the sum of it’s parts.

    • Exactly!
      So, you have the treasure before you! Don’t stare and waste time! Put it in your back pack and hike out calmly like nothing is wrong. Be casual but quick. Stay calm.

  22. Great journalistic scoop Dal. Thanks Forrest for your no B.S. candor in answering the question.

    “Get the hell out of there” carries a far more urgent tone than “just take the chest and go in peace.”

    Lots of important questions racing through my brain…national parks/illegal to remove, someone else’s private property, Indian reservation, Indian ruins, hell, snakes, grizz????

    This comment by ff in 2015 has bothered me:
    “You will ignore the poem at your own PERIL.” Mysterious Writings, 6 questions with Forrest Fenn. Nov. 27, 2015

    This is certainly an engaging comment.

  23. Dal, your commitment to equity in the search community is remarkable, not to mention that it helps reduce all rumors and he said, she said stuff – so thanks again.

    As to Forrest’s new comments regarding the meaning of the phrase “tarry scant;” I think it’s important to remember that the poem is both LITERALLY true and FIGURATIVELY true, therefore in a literal sense “what else could it mean?”

    I’ve never thought Forrest wrote a poem which didn’t mean what it said – remember there is “no subterfuge in sight.” But subterfuge is what lies beneath, so it is the figurative meanings which Forrest is never going to discuss especially since he feels the literal one are fairly obvious.

    GCG

    • The trick is adjusting back and forth between the two different forms of instruction and seeing how they intertwine with each other correctly.

      “There’s a big difference between looking and seeing. It’s not important enough that you look, you have to see.”

      GCG

  24. Tarry Scant with Marvel Gaze means to only use your x-ray (Marvel) vision for a short period of time to avoid damaging treasure items. What else could it mean?
    Seriously, though:
    At first I thought the “get the hell out there” was said with some frustration. Remember, this is a repeat of what was already said. I wonder if his emphasis was different the first time. Did he say “get the hell out there” both times, with the same tone? I looking forward to understanding his mood in the full interview prior.

    But, the sense of urgency, if it is real, kind of throws me. He said that right after “I don’t have the slightest idea what I’m talking about.” and it sounded sorta sheepish …

    After all, “it’s not complicated”. <—- THAT

  25. [Tarry scant], Forrest answer is one that I believed in all along. Of course the reason I already know. The area from npuyc to water high does have people traveling this off beaten trail from time to time on a mission. The land is public to be on so no problem there, but those mission people could stop and ask what are you doing if they see you. So Forrest, in the poem, is basically saying if you find the chest to take it out of the area quickly, so if by chance those people on a mission come around you won’t be in the area to have to answer any of their questions. If back on the main trail those mission people would most likely just say hi or wave in passing because your not sticking out of the ordinary there.

    Thanks Forrest for the confirmation.
    Good luck all,
    Bur

  26. My assumption for the past 7 years is that “tarry scant” suggests other humans will be passing the area close enough and often enough to see me carry the treasure chest to my automobile. 🙂

    • Good to see you, Desertphile! Yes: I quite agree with you. Even if the hidey spot itself turns out to be mostly out of the public eye, at some point you have to get back to your car — and THAT spot is almost certainly exposed (seeing as how you could have parked there in a “sedan”).

      • If the goodies are in a back pack, what would be so conspicuous about
        taking off the back pack and putting it, with its contents still inside, into
        the trunk of a sedan? I don’t think the finder will be careless enough to
        flash the goodies to a passerby. As always, all part of my opinion.

  27. He already told us that it is no place for the meek. We are not supposed to be there. Just pack it up and get out FAST!

  28. IMO ff’s “get the hell out of here” carries urgency in tone and word choice and probably does Not simply mean…if you want to remain anonymous, hurry up. [In a past interview at Moby Dickens Bookshop Forrest said,
    “…the type of person that’s going to find the chest is the type of person who can’t keep it quiet.” source: Moby Dickens Bookshop

    So Forrest, why? What about the environment of the treasure chest made you say one should get the hell out (fast)?

    • 42 – Because, maybe the hidey space is just over the YNP border, and Randy, the Hebgen Lake District Ranger, may be hanging around again, across the way, on the shore of Baker’S Hole Campground. Having coffee with Larry, who had William Marvin Fenn as a teacher in Temple Texas. Who said that ALL of that area, across from the suspicious interpretive sign (with the cast Brown trout on ‘IT’) was inside YNP. Which it is certainly not. And who warned us about the vicious otter who attacked a swimmer. I wondered if Larry had ever crossed the Madison to look on the other side of that thick hedge of willows or hazel bushes…

      All IMO.

    • He’s not gonna answer that one, but there is a really good reason to get out fast. Although I firmly believe it is in a National Forest, it is in a portion that is NOT public property. This alone is a very key hint to TTOTC. The first stanza also addresses the issue:

      “As I have gone alone IN THERE…” It’s a special place, but not for the public.

  29. This recording doesn’t jive with my solve at all. I always thought “tarry scant” was a reference to the running man. A nod towards his presence nearby carved somewhere. He was the one on the run, I was to simply “marvel gaze” at him and then take his money. “Get the hell outa here” is completely different. If your area isn’t a place you can hang around in, like mine, then perhaps reconsider your area. I could probably stay all year in my spot and nobody would find me.

    Thanks Dal for sharing. I have a ticket to cancel. I was going back next weekend!! Shoot.

  30. I think that a lot of people have boiled down tarry scant to some close version of what Forrest just said. But for me that’s not the most enigmatic part of the phrase. What puzzles me is marvel gaze. I guess it could easily be explained away with the idea that this part of the journey has presented you with a magnificent natural view or ingenious idea about the solve. But I’ve started to lean towards the idea that after the blaze is found, the searcher is left in a state of confusion or at least the need for reflection. Its probably safe to say that most of us can agree that the blaze is of the upmost importance and is most likely in close proximity to the chest. And I think it’s more than a coincidence that he presents us with the most cryptic use of text directly after the searcher has been wise and found the blaze. To me, this is a major price of the riddle and by design hangs up the searcher at that exact part of the poem. So perhaps marvel gaze is Fenn’s chosen terminology for the condition that the searcher is experiencing in that current state of awe and that they should look beyond it for the obvious answer.

    • Another interesting expansion of this idea is that the searcher is left confused and in a state of wonder, is how in the very next stanza is an actual question and answer sequence that Forrest presents the searcher with. It would seem entirely possible that stanza 5 is a more precise explanation of the information used to get beyond marvel gaze and that stanza 6 was the putting of that all together.

      • Double a,

        I will “bite” at your line of thinking. Yet, you are being kind of cryptic. Care to expound upon your theory?

        • I don’t mean to be cryptic but I am not at a place where I can share the experiences that have molded my theories. However sometimes I think that people unknowingly lock themselves into believing the poems meaning rests in probability, in a way too logical. So I like to present plausible alternatives when I think it might help break down this pattern. In my own experience things seem to have progressed very nicely to finding the blaze but from that point the quest seems to have taken on a wild goose chase feel. And the timing of such is that things work very nicely until marvel gaze. And through that transformation, for me personally, marvel gaze seems akin to staring into the abyss.

          I think stanza 4 creates questions that get answered through the question and answer sequence in stanza 5 and are affirmed through stanza 6.

          • You make some really valid points. BOTG are critical early into the poem and at the “marvel gaze” point, it is hard to decifer a specific clue that brings a conclusion. Just several possibilities all requiring BOTG, IMHO. Wish ff would have been more clear, but he never intentended the Chase to be easy. It was Not called The Thrill of the Find, is it?

    • Marvel gaze is as easy as tarry scant.
      * dumbfounded gaze
      * staring amazed, frozen
      * Deer in the headlights
      * staring speechless
      *. Surprised stare

      Don’t sit there with a frozen stare wasting time, get the treasure and get the h*LL out of there!
      K.I.S.S.

  31. Mike was the eyes. Line 15 is hinting at the description of the place as it has a marvelous view. Straightforward really. Anywho our solve is and isnt relative…:)

  32. I remember I didn’t use that line in my solve. But later thought it reduced my search
    area. I guess that didn’t change anything for me. I am think the frogs may be
    important.

  33. It’s been cracking me up for 3 years. FF has been saying all along that you need to simplify. Most searchers are more interested in matching wits with FF than they are in finding his treasure.

  34. OMG…I have said this for N-I-N-E YEARS!
    How many people have said “It doesn’t mean that!”. That’s why I stopped posting and just read things concerning Fenn.

    Get the treasure, don’t dawdle around, leave!

    Gives me greater confidence that I’m on the right track with Fenn!
    Thanks, Dal
    ¥Peace¥

  35. I’ve been on the road for 4 days driving from Modesto, CA to Rowlett, Texas for my son’s wedding and didn’t discover this post until just now.

    What a remarkable revelation! Thank you so much Dal for sharing it with us and thank you Forrest for clearing that up.

    “It’s not complicated” + “Simplify” (12 Jan 18 – ABC Nightline) + marry clues to a map = KISS in my book.

    Pinatubocharlie

  36. thanks for explaining tarry scant Forrest.
    this is what your prehistoric friends did in TFTW while watching you and your friend dig for artifacts.
    this poem is all too simple for a complicated generation IMO.
    is best to think like a dodo bird.
    did you know the Dodo bird had the sweetest song of any bird?
    only a handful of hungry sailors ever heard it. lulled them to sleep in the evening around the campfire while they digested cooked birds, silently passing gas.
    chicken does that to me too.
    pass gas i mean.

  37. Tarry scant with marvel gaze means don’t hang around gawking?
    That’s it?
    If that’s all you hear you aren’t listening.
    If that’s all you see you aren’t looking
    Forrest always means more than he says, and sometimes
    maybe even says more than he means.
    Indulgence is safe for now. IMO

  38. Very early on, I stopped worrying about Tarry Scant & Marvel Gaze. Like most of you here, (FF too), it seemed reasonable that after finding The Blaze, your quest was very nearly OVER. After Looking Quickly Down, you should be staring at the correct location of Indulgence. It still may not be easy to locate (Hidden does not exclude Buried). Just go get it….but don’t dawdle doing an inventory of Indulgence. Just pack it up and GO!

    Any other interpretation seems “Too Complicated.” [IMHO]

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