Scrapbook Two Hundred Thirty Three…

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November, 2019

 

Prehistoric Corn

The following story is a paraphrase of what I wrote on pages 124-5 of my book, The Secrets of San Lazaro Pueblo. I was on a roll with new discoveries. Only a week before, in a building across Del Charro Creek, I found a small corral that contained goat pellets. Not every amateur archaeologist can boast of having an important collection of 16th century Spanish goat droppings.

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16th Century Goat Droppings

 

Another educating moment. 

It was about noon on a cold, blustery day in 1989, when Charmay and I were completing the final work in a room on the north end of building l, not far from where I uncovered 2 unique prehistoric kachina dance masks, and a wonderful associated ceremonial assemblage.

It had taken us 3 days to carefully remove the room-fill rubble and only the final sweepings remained. A flagstone jar lid, broken in 5 pieces, was laying on the floor in the southeast corner, and I had seen no reason to move it in our excavation.

Because the wind was brisk, we decided to have our soup and sandwich there in the room where no one had eaten in more than 500 years. It was a rewarding moment and we were pleased to see this place almost as it had been when new, so many years before. 

One could not help but think of those who had lived here, and wonder what their dreams and aspirations might have been. Did they have enough food and water? What did they do for recreation? Our thoughts wandered…

While sitting on the floor and leaning against the wall, I placed my cup of hot tomato soup on the round piece of flagstone. It sounded a little hollow and different from what I had subconsciously expected. No matter, I thought, so we enjoyed a short break while the antics of several ravens entertained us, and a red-tailed hawk watched suspiciously from his high soar. 

As we rose to leave, Charmay said, “Just for the fun of it, why don’t you look under the jar lid?” After considering what I thought was the futility of doing what she asked, against a desire to favorably respond to a somewhat stern question, I carefully removed the five broken pieces of flagstone, one at a time. Before the second piece could be moved, we both felt something different was happening. To our astonishment, and utter amazement, we discovered a black, plain-ware pottery jar that had been buried up to its rim under the floor. 

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Inside the jar rested a rectangular dragonfly-painted bowl, and both of them contained corn kernels. For us, this discovery added a whole new dimension to our knowledge of prehistoric life at San Lazaro Pueblo. 

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Charmay was a good friend and trusted digging companion. She excavated the beautiful emerald cross that I found with a metal detector at San Lazaro.

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Together, we owned the One Horse Land and Cattle Co. (RIP) that published my San Lazaro book, and a few others. f

PS
My treasure chest is not hidden at San Lazaro Pueblo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

166 thoughts on “Scrapbook Two Hundred Thirty Three…

  1. Enjoyed that story again Forrest, but really enjoyed the new pictures I had not seen before. Thank you. Maybe you could write some about the plane you restored, or about you times flying the Sabre Jets you started on. Real history there, some of the first jets in American Aviation.

  2. There are so many sites in history that seemed to be abandoned in mid-use, or at least it seems that way to my untrained eye. I wonder why, was prehistory really that unsettling of a place? Did people then have less attachment to their stuff, although in the case of food that seems even less likely?

  3. Nice to see the actual bowl. I always thought the image on the side was a variant of the Papal cross. Interesting that Fenn said it’s a dragonfly.

  4. In Hebrew Nomerologic, 32=Heart (Lev). what interest me is the tool with the black cross. Thanks for sharring Mr. Fenn, i respect you very much because you are a very wise man and you create with your mouth by telling us your stories, all the world was created by speaking, and 9 out of 10 of thus speaking are the 9 ways to reach the light. Your knowledge facinate my brain, you make me want to learn more and more. Be blessed
    Zvia ben ami

  5. Forrest, Thank you for continuing to put out new scrapbooks for our enjoyment. I appreciate your involvement.

    My takeaway…
    – eat tomato soup on search days for best luck
    – some days do have perfect endings. Share them with a good friend.
    – The cross of Lorraine//back to back F-F’s is a likely marker.
    – Take a metal detector
    – chest Rests just below ground level with a stone over it
    – possibility of N.A. ruins nearby…with 9 horned hat dolls standing guard.

    • I don’t recommend the use of a metal detector within a few steps of the hidey space. A metal detector should not be necessary to help with a
      good solve. As always, IMO.

      • @tallAndrew, I do think you are correct…if the solve is just perfect.

        I’ll be on the look out for the right flagstone (or stone with a flag painted on it;-)

        • Also, see my post above about Forrest saying if you were within 12 ft of the chest , “It is not likely that anyone would get that close and not find it.” -f And Forrest doesn’t mention a metal detector.

    • Hi All — apologies — I failed to provide a citation for my technology “quote” from Fenn earlier. It was from Everything Is Stories (EIS) Radio (8/8/2013): “I still have about, uh, something like 4,000 arrowheads. And I tell people I’m saving those, because after the next war, I’ll make a fortune selling my arrowheads to different armies around the world. Einstein had said, “I don’t know what we’ll fight World War III with, but World War IV is going to be fought with sticks.” And the technology is changing so fast. I mean, if your computer is two years old, it’s archaic today. Technology is not going to help you find that treasure. But your mind and your body and your attitude changes as things change.”

      It is this quote that I couldn’t see any wiggle room on as far as what it implied about the usefulness of a metal detector. There is another relevant exchange that I know some searchers would point to as being supportive of metal detectors (though I see it the opposite way). It was at Collected Works in October 2013. During some questions and answers, Michael McGarrity relays a man’s question to Forrest:

      Michael: “Will a metal detector help?”
      FF: “A metal detector will help you if you’re in exactly the right spot.”
      Michael (sarcastically): “Okay, that’s a lot of help.”

      My takeaway was that a metal detector is not the tool that’s going to get you to exactly the right spot. Yet if you successfully navigate to the correct spot w/o it, then why would you need it?

    • 42 – Yeah, Jesse James was said to use two back to back Js, that looked kinda like a fish hook.

      The Cross of Lorraine could take the form of a YNP telephone pole series, leading to my hidey spot; from Boundary Street along the Boundary Trail to Baker’S Hole:

      https://us.123rf.com/450wm/guntherize/guntherize1904/guntherize190400021/122450744-the-road-to-yellowstone-national-park-as-a-storm-forms-in-the-distance-but-the-sun-shines-on-the-tel.jpg?ver=6

      Just put a horizontal crossbar on one of them, in the form of a clue-ish sign, maybe?

      Did you know that in the movie “Dragonfly” with Kevin Costner, a ghostly symbol appears as a Spirit communication to a child with cancer? That symbol ends up equating to a river ford on a rafting map, which he needs to solve the location of his wife’s disappearance in South America.

      Hmmmm…Miss Ford…a mis-ford??

      And I am pretty sure I can find the equivalents of all 9 of Forrest’s Yazzi Yarnell dolls in my general search area. Didn’t U.S. Cavalry soldiers, who preceded U.S F.S Rangers, keep their horses at the Riverside barns? Next, the animals. Yep! Even the cattle are in the vicinity. I love that I see antelope, here in Sun Valley, all the time.

  6. I wish Forrest would invite me to excavate in San Lazaro Pueblo with him. It would be great to search for artifacts from my “compatriotas”. Hey, anyone can make a wish!

  7. Perhaps you are seeing history, on history here? Grain storage, or more important, (seeds) need cool, dry, & protected, storage. Thus North room, sealed jar, & colder, below ground thermals. Wonder if when the Spanish found this, (Dwelling Complex); was it abandoned, & burried; errh “(hidden)”; & yet they decided to move in anyway?

    • David Nough – Were Forrest and Charmay excavating a dwelling complex, or a Kiva?:

      “Based on current day Pueblo religious practices, archeologists think of the Anasazi kivas (Hopi language for “old house”) as sacred chambers for ceremonies. In the kachina cult (ancestral spirits who bring rain), the Anasazi worshiped the sun, fire and serpents for fertility and agricultural productivity. The kiva is a subterranean room reached by ladder through an opening in the roof. The esoteric symbolism of the hole refers to a man leaving the womb of the earth. These sacred places were always separate from the living quarters, with an average of two kivas per village.’

      Since they found the two ceremonial Kachina masks nearby, do you think that seed repository was for ceremonial purposes, also?

  8. My best guesses as to the “Thoughts to Ponder” are centered on the smallpox epidemic. #1 when families died off their valuables (pots etc.) would be taken and traded away by others, so only the last few survivors needed a place to store food. #2 it was common for the last remaining factions from two or more families to move in together, and the one who moved in brought food in a bowl, and food would have been scare with everyone sick and unable to work before dying off. #3 the occupants did not bring all their food when they left because their death rituals involved honoring the deceased and family members, so when they knew they themselves were about to die they had to go to where their deceased family members were, and at that point little if any food was needed.

  9. Wow, I dont know much about the area, however it seems dry now. Maybe they left when it dried up because their corn couldn’t handle it.

    Hmm.. I think I know what I’m getting myself for Christmas

  10. Forrest, the San Lazaro Pueblo must be an amazing place to see… But, are those really corn seeds? I know they are old but they don’t really look like corn seeds…

    • Antient Corn was truly a fraction of the size it is today, most original corn was the size of Grass seeds Originally.. It was started from a wild grass called teosinte. I’m not sure when these people existed at San Lazaro, so I cannot say what size their corn was…Corn has evolved over 7000 years… A New World Crop.. that’s my 5 Cents

    • Spallies-
      There is a nice, synopsis of pueblo corn and maize on the Smithsonian website. Photos show kernels that were varied in color and size much like what we call Indian corn today…
      https://insider.si.edu/2015/02/corn-entered-southwest-u-s-first-along-highland-route-dna-study-shows/

      I suspect that when you consider those kernels are 400 years old, probably dirty and desiccated it’s no surprise they don’t look like the Dekalb varieties. I wonder how they survived becoming varmint feed. I also wonder if you could get any to sprout if you soaked and then planted them.

      • Dal, my guess is that the smaller “box” was used as a scoop to scoop out corn from the larger container. That’s what I would do anyway.

      • Thanks D.B. Cooper and Dal that is very interesting! It would be really really cool to sprout!!! Love the things we learn on the Chase… 🙂

        • Me too! There are many very knowledgeable and wise people involved in the chase. It’s a learning experience for me as much as a chase.

      • hello dal, could you inform me if the search for the chest of the forrest fenn has to be in person being there or if it is valid deciphering it from another country? thanks .. greets you grisel

  11. Next year’s corn. The special select that you’d plant next year. Stored between 35-50 degrees. Somewhat sealed to let it fatten slightly, ready to take Spring’s rays and water. In a bowl because gases sink. Bowls, especially with lids, soften vegetation/seeds faster.
    One thing I really thought about out there in NE NM, looking around, is the migrations; from cliff dwellings to lower plains to river banks and back up again. There must have been times you had to be near the flowing water, times that the cliffs ran out of wood, the weather over hundreds to thousands of years, and the eventual roving of Spanish and Apache seeking out all the water courses, and I suspect earlier-on for the lower American Southwest, Meso-American civilization also marching on the humbler early farmers of the region.
    The dragonly motif stretches clear down here (SW NM) to the Mogollon and Mimbres style. Around here, we see the curled tail of what may be an extinct dragonfly… maybe 2 varieties, I’m not sure. I’m also looking deeper (as an amateur) to noticing south-facing watch points in the Black Range, and to climate here, and noticing (rather predicting) we may be again entering a wetter period much like what allowed the cliff dwellers to go higher up. Although, jury’s out on whether they always only apparently live up high to avoid other people.
    It must be neat to see a raw pueblo such as this, because it is a missing link between pre and post-Columbian styles, and a mixture of them. It seems to be a succesful farming realm on it’s own. I’m thinking they got disrupted by othersand quickly moved away from their structures 450 years ago.

  12. I enjoyed this story with all the details and can only imagine what it might have been like to have been there in that moment.

    I remember seeing this picture in one of your books and thinking you could have hidden your trove in a similar way. That feels like it was many years ago now, though, the image has stuck in my mind. It would make for quite an amazing recovery story if one must first find and then excavate some sort of room like in your story before subsequently finding a hidden trove like that one,

    I’m now trying to imagine the amount of confidence one would require in their solve before one might put in sufficient time to successfully retrieve such a hidden trove.

    • ace 340;

      Is a hole in the ground, covered by a flat stone a structure? Not in my mind. Is a flat stone (like a flagstone) considered “Large rocks?” – again, not in my mind – but good thoughts anyway – JMO – JDA

        • know what “not associated with a structure” means!

          You are right Peebee. It was explained in detail here at hoD. Especially how It was meant when Forrest first said it. Think Shiloh even corrected the misinterpretation.

          Bur

  13. That’s just too funny. You were quite brave and in the wood of that small corral. It’s a very good thing a fence is a structure. LOL If I ever need a good laugh, I’ll just read about the goat droppings again and be glad I’m safe.

  14. Very cool. I can imagine, imagining life as it was going on around you as you breaked for lunch. It must have been a very social society without all the modern day distractions. Children probably played simple but all inclusive games like marbles, as Forrest did. They were probably had a healthier diet than we do today. I read once the Maya ate almost only corn products and birds and lived to great ages. I wonder if there was a reason for the pottery jar being black without any artwork. Pottery art seemed to be so important to them. Maybe they thought no one would ever see it buried there, and they planed not taking it with them. To leave something for the living. But then why the dragonfly. g

  15. What a great story. The dragonfly bowl is beautiful. The discoveries, grand. To share lunch with a friend at a place once inhibited by those before us is memorable. Your daydreams of time past is something I like about you, Mr. Fenn. Keep searching.

  16. That’s so cool to find old corn and old goat poo too! I too wonder if it would sprout if soaked for a while. I would definitely try it! Love, love,love the beautiful dragonfly bowl! Thanks for posting Forrest. Would love to hear more stories of San Lazaro.

  17. Lord knows my wild imagination causes me to be un-right more than I care to admit. But when I saw the dragonfly bowl all I could think about was how it looked like it was becoming empty.

    I picture a family of about a handful of people. The corn nourished them, made them happy, and they each moved on to spread their corn to villages that needed some help.

    Just my two cents.

  18. Hark…..another voice from the pages of time. What a mysterious way of hiding something of value. Not buried, but hidden in plain sight. Much like the fleeting Spanish may have hid treasure “in the wood” during their expulsion at the Indian Revolt of 1680.
    CORN……Food For Thought!

    • Yes guy, I like the hidden in plain site. Forrest did say in response to Sean’s 12 foot question, that if you were within 12 feet, “It is not likely that anyone would get that close and not find it.” -f

      That metal detector comment bothered me on first read. But now I think maybe the overall message is that if you can find it without a metal detector, unlike the cross, then no need to drag that extra weight around! Every pound at altitude makes the climb more difficult.

  19. Forrest is definitely “on a roll” –
    I like mine covered in lots of butter.
    Tomato soup made me smile but where’s the cheese?

        • Thank you for sharing the links, Lisa. I enjoyed them. Nice connections with the protection of the swans on the Madison. I believe Mr. Fenn has had his share of soup. Served in a bowl or mug? Bowl and mug (profile/face) defining surfaces? Reminds me of the young lady in the book store which covered her face.

          • Aww… Lisa you just brought back some memories for me… When I was 13 my mother bought the author Tom Robbins house in Washington State… When we looked at the house there were 3 soup can pictures on the wall? I remember thinking… Why does this man have 3 pictures of Campbell Soup in his living room? I am not sure if they were originals but with Tom Robbins they probably were… Nice to know he at least enjoyed the soup!

          • Also, Here is a fun quote from Tom Robbins on Imagination… I going to go with the Tooth Fairy 🙂

            “Q. You write about how you have been given this gift of imagination, which has helped you become a very successful author. Where do you think imagination comes from?

            A. I used to think that all children were born with imagination, until I began raising my son (Robbins has three children from different marriages). … I’ve met kids 4, 5 years old who have no imagination whatsoever.

            So … I think it comes from fairies … certain children are visited by a fairy in their cradle, and are tapped on their forehead with a small but luminous wand. After that, even all the forces in our culture, and there are many, are unable to totally subdue it.”

          • Hello Lisa. Not weird, but fulfilled with interests. Looks like the gallery had a good bargain offered tonight.

      • pdenver – Also thinking of the article I read about Andy Warhol’s inspiration for adding the repeating Fleur de lis around the base of this Tomato Soup can:

        https://www.mcgawgraphics.com/products/andy-warhol-colored-campbells-soup-can-1965-green-red?utm_source=Pinterest&utm_medium=Social

        It was because of his fondness for his mother serving him his favorite, Campbell’s tomato soup, every day. He was told by a female friend, for a fee of $50, to paint what he loves. That’s why Andy did the Campbell’s soup series of 33 cans. And this is Forrest’s Scrapbook #233. And because his mother made flowers out of the tin soup cans.

        That all reminded me of Forrest’s mother, Lillie Gay Fenn, growing pansies at the West Fork Campground on the Madison River. Did she make tin can flowers, also? Did she serve Forrest his favorite Campbell’s tomato soup, also?

        The emblem in the center is an illustration of “Leda and the Swan”. The ‘ansers’ I already know? That looks like a huge Trumpeter Swan, which are being protected along the Madison River, in YNP.

  20. Just an amatuers opinion. But more important than food are seeds. Perhaps your discovery was of the seeds that were saved back to plant the next crop in the spring. More than likely any corn that was to be used for food had been processed into flour in the seasonal months. But what do I know, I am still looking for a WWWH.

  21. Oldest bowl of cereal ever!!! Forrest is cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs!! Pass me the milk…I’ll dig in!

    Very interesting – I always thought that was an old Spanish nail (in TFTW) – apparently, it’s a dragonfly. Nice discovery. Here’s the real question: does Forrest have any of those Charmay bumper stickers left over from hitting his 50th? I’d love to put one on my FJ.

  22. I loved reading this version of the one in “Too Far to Walk” – I like the addition of the goat poo – a nice addition :-). Thanks for bringing back to life, a lovely story about two friends discovering something very special. Thanks for sharing it with us Forrest – JDA

    • Whoa JDA…how’d we do that? I’ve never seen an exact time stamp match (of posts) on this blog…we are on same wavelength and at the nexus of the universe!

    • JDA – I was wondering about this scrapbook entry in regards to the TFTW chapter as well. I know that I have seen scrapbook entries on this site turn into chapters in Forrest’s books, but have we had a retelling of a book chapter later in a scrapbook like this before? Maybe Forrest is posting this story because TFTW is getting harder to find, and he wants to make this story more available?

        • I don’t own a copy of TFTW either, but allow me to take a wild stab at this — the flagstone jar lid broken into five pieces is a new twist not found in TFTW.
          — bb

          • EDIT: JDA please let me know if I won a kewpie doll (or a kachina doll). Thanks for any feedback you feel comfortable sharing.

          • No Buckskin Bart; The broken flagstone – in five pieces is a part of the story in TFTW – ” A round, flagstone jar cover, broken in five pieces, was lying on the floor in the southeast corner of the room. I felt no urge to remove it.” Page 218 TFTW – JDA

          • Swing and a miss, and no kewpie doll!. Killer. Thanks for the feedback JDA, much appreciated.

          • &Buckskin Bart. I kind of think the subtle differences in this new and old, are probably not omissions but likely some small additions. Simply because the probable purpose of the re-telling is a new twist that is to highlight something in the old- with something new. But only being able to read this one is all you need non-the-less. The message is in here anyways.

            These redux are the hint of riches new and old. IMO .

            IMO.

          • If I were to guess, I’d say one difference is probably to do with the birds- the kind of birds or just birds period.

            IMO .

          • Page 218 to 219: TFTW -” We enjoyed a short respite from our work while the aerial antics of several ravens entertained us, and a red-tailed hawk watched us suspiciously from his high soar.”

            “so we enjoyed a short break while the antics of several ravens entertained us, and a red-tailed hawk watched suspiciously from his high soar.” from SB – 233

            Very close to the same – no new info here – JDA

          • For me, the main difference between this SB and TFTW is we finally have a nice photo of the inner bowl with the Pueblo Cross/dragonfly on its side, and Forrest identifying it as such. He clearly wants to draw attention to this symbol since it’s on the side of the bowl illustration on page 218, enlarged on page 219 (and pointing at its smaller version on the facing page), and it appears in the endpapers of TFTW under the alligator’s tail. Interesting juxtaposition in light of the prior SB’s reiteration about CROSSing rivers before angering alligators.

          • Well thanks JDA. I sensed that the ‘subtle differences’ were within the text about the birds.

          • Sorry to disappoint. I read the chapter, and it does mention the jar lid was broken in 5 pieces.

            The only difference I could find was that in the book chapter Forrest mentions being on the left side of the creek, rather than just across the creek.

          • Blue fox;

            Please read a bit more carefully – In TFTW he says “… on the EAST side of Del Charro Creek, …” NOT LEFT side of the creek. – There are a couple of other things that are different – IF one reads carefully – JDA

      • Hi Alsetenash. I’ve enjoyed reading your and JDA’s (and some other’s) posts.

        Thank you for the feedback, it’s much appreciated. I think we’re on the same page about the differences being new additions. My question to JDA was to confirm if the five broken pieces were a new addition in this SB (and not in TFTW).

        Good luck to both you and JDA in your respective searches.

  23. OK….you know you are spending way too much time on this when you start seeing images in the poo! I’m not even going there.

    So on to the more possible obvious hint. (possible obvious) does that cancel each other out? Any who, the way the chest may be hidden/buried. If not exactly, at least some variation of it sure does make sense to me. Ah, thinking, thinking, thinking.

    Another great story Forrest. I am tickled each day to find another one for all of us to enjoy! Hints or not, please keep sharing. In my eyes, you ARE the Thrill of the Case!

  24. Maybe the stored corn was seed corn. Dragon flies look like there planting seeds with a digging stick, when laying there eggs in water.

  25. The study of the corn ( maze) used by the indigenous people is as fascinating as anything in the study of plant based uses.
    The story of Pawnee Eagle Corn is gripping. The story of Carl Barnes and his work with Glass Gem Rainbow Corn ( he called his corn the seed that sings) is as compelling as the journals of Lewis and Clark.

    There may still be a display garden at Bandelier showing the “Three Sisters” method of growing Maze that was used at early habitation sites.
    Pottery Seed Jars were to save seed for planting and protect from the elements and rodents.
    CORN, CORN, CORN……THE MAGICAL FRUIT…..THE MORE YOU EAT…..THE MORE YOU PLAY THE FLUTE!

  26. I really enjoy reading of these discoveries!

    Not nearly as historic, but exciting to us nonetheless, my sons and I were doing a bit of metal detecting this summer and found four rusty old tent pins. We wondered about who may have been there before and even entertained the notion it could have been you!

    Tell you what, when I bring your chest back I’ll bring along those stakes to see if they’re yours:)! I imagine you’ll take the fifth so as not to incriminate yourself…but who knows, maybe you’ll say yep and let me keep ’em….one man’s junk will become our treasures!!!

    One can dream.
    atb

  27. Dear Forrest,
    Hope you are enjoying a nice birthday celebration with Peggy and family. Thank you for taking the time to think of us during this busy time.

    I think there are some important pieces to the treasure “puzzle” that you gave us in this SB. The artfully arranged goat poo, the hidden-in -plain-site corn storage jar, and the cross with the antique patina all spoke to me.

    But most of all, I wondered, too, about that being the only jar in any of the rooms. I questioned whether this was the last of the remaining corn which was being portioned out? But I still wonder, what happened to the people? Disease, war, famine? It’s really strange when an entire tribe of people just disappear from a place, but yet their ghosts remain.

  28. Drought caused some of the ancient Pueblo peoples to move to new locations. No water, no food or quality of life. Time to move to where they could exist. I don’t know if the Gallisteo basin’s del Charro creek ever experienced drought. Pots are heavy, people could only carry so much on a journey, some things had to be left behind. Smallpox or disease seems a more likely scenario.

  29. Migration and Abandoment theories abound. Starvation, drought, earthquakes, volcanic activity, and even cannibalism have been postulated.What ever happened the evidence of occupation that was left behind is most beautiful and mystifying.

  30. prehistoric corn = rich crop in store

    Perhaps that room was the communal pantry, or conversely those people were wealthy enough to have a secret supply.

    My neighbors back in the 80’s had a goat. They kept it tied to a post most of the time until the other neighbors’ dogs destroyed it. Horror show.

  31. I believe we are all reading a new Forrest book, one never published, in all these scrapbooks. We should feel privileged.

    “we owned the One Horse Land and Cattle Co. “

    Maybe the name(s) of this book could be – Sprinkled Are The Hints….Showing All The Way…..If You Can Find My Secrets.

    I see mingled in this book are stories new and old with connections to already printed books, old scrapbooks, and people you have talked about throughout time.

    This is a good way to open up the chase playing field with those who don’t have any books, or those who have no idea how Forrest lived his life.

    Whether or not you are a newbie or been searching from the beginning, or you think you’re the LS or not, you can’t help but enjoy these stories. Forrest’s life is very interesting and thrilling at times. He has drawn us in and is helping us out, with his words.

    I’m looking for the * or maybe the double omega’s at the end, but is there ever a end to this wonderful book? We hope not.

    Thanks Forrest your journey, it will always be there for all to see.
    Bur

  32. This is almost like a nightmare to me. On my last BOTG search this past August I actually stood on top of something similar to the sketch of the chamber, but in my case, it was a metal lid and Forrest has told us it’s not under anything man made so I ignored it. That’s the bad news.

    The good news is that this is a place I’m sure would bring back sweet memories to Forrest.

    Pinatubocharlie

  33. Dear Forrest:

    On a fun note, my kids thought the goat scat (“tarry scat!”) looked like a very popular and well-known kid’s breakfast cereal. I bet if they called it that it would become a best seller overnight.

    Of course, I was sharp and did not miss the message. 😉

    On a serious note- you’re a great teacher. Your style is probably not like your father’s, but stories like this and chase experiences make it clear you know how to pique folks’ interest.

    Your father would no doubt be proud of that!

    Take care,

  34. So corn again. I really really want to say why but can’t! He may not know that I have the right location but I don’t believe that. Names, corn, crosses/rip/the locations he has posted about it peripherally, etc. has helped confirm my solve. I know I know confirmation bias but alot of you sense someone is close. I guess I post because I’m dying to share. He knows what my solve is. This sounds all so familiar to most of you. But I know what I know. The solve he is hinting.at involves a person because to hint at the place by name is unfair, he can’t use “go up road 56, take a right at camp so and so and then head up trail so and so”, so he uses attributes of a subject that is tied to the place. He isn’t giving it away but he is getting impatient. I assume he is frustrated with me or whoever. I can tell you this, by Spring the Chase is over or you will hear a solve that is so tight and you will see how he hinted at place so blatantly. This is probably my last post for there is nothing else to say. Love all you people, like minded souls are attracted to one another and your spirits are contagious. I will promise you this, I will not sale the solve. Once the chest is safely dealt with I will put out the solve on the 3 main sites. Assuming this doesn’t go against any wishes of his. This may sound egotistical but it really isn’t. I am in a state of disbelief and it’s surreal.

  35. This ff illustration and Question above seems pretty obvious if we see it from the standpoint of time and purpose.

    I was once asked by a Park Guide at “Pueblo Bonito” to ponder the reason why Chaco Canyon with all it’s habitation existed for such a long time? Then why did it thrived in that desolate wind swept rouged place? Also what did the Chaco Culture produce, what principled its economy? The Chacoans owned Parrots, drank Choclate and had treasures and wealth as well. I have made several fillms there and at other National Monuments like Salinas Missions and Pueblos some are walking distance from my home, I live here in Tijeras, NM.. I considered and thought long and hard about why these also existed and why they were abandoned? I will speculate on a few of my ideas after looking at the question put before us from Forrest Fenn above.

    The time of this San Lazaro Pueblo abandonment was about at or shortly after the Pueblo Revolt of 1680, one needs to read Wiki about Pope from Taos and plan devised in “the knots of time” for all the pueblos to coordinate the expulsion of the Spanish from New Mexico. Utter CHAOS (see SC Book 209) occurs throughout the Pueblos, however in haste many were scurrying like the refugees in Syria today, leaving things behind or hiding them, ff said he found keys to “Cofres orTrusteros or Chests” but no chests..that shows one possibility for this entombed corn, but not just the abandonment of it in haste, he shows it’s real purpose as well IMHO.

    The correct explanation is more compelling than that, and it is more likely that since this emblem of a Dragon Fly on a smaller vessel inside of the big Black Crock, as I will call it, me thinks something is much more ceremonial about it, like the praying before you plant crops, the emblem of a corn planter, the “dragon fly”, a deity on the tray of distribution of “seed corn” given to the masses for their planting their individual crops makes more sense. A ceremonial ritual by a leader/doctor/elder may chanted or prayed over this rituall bowl showing “homage” to please “IT” for it will grant us a great and bountiful harvest yet in haste and Chaos it was likely left behind for Forrest and Charmay to find hundreds of years later and eloquently described in “The Secrets of San Lazaro Pueblo” Kudos ff..

    In my tribe, The Muskogee (Creek) Nation when we harvest a deer,elk etc which I have using my bow many blessed occasions a prayer is said over the animal we thank the god of the earth meaning “master of breath”; pronounced Hisakita imisi), a solar deity also called Ibofanga (“the one who is sitting above (us)”). Prayer to him for this gift and then we pay homage with Tobacco or Corn or a sacrifice of some kind that we may have on hand.

    Now back to the reason for Chaco Canyon’s existence for being a civilization that inhabited that area longer than the United States has been a nation, probably much much longer? I can only see from what these Anazai (a derogatory term in Navajo Language) the Navajos live on and around it today, I think that the “Architecture” left by the Anasazi and the Sun Dial on Fajada Butte tells the tale of perhaps a religious order, a cult if you will of priestly educators who were advanced in knowledge of time and the movement of the Universe, perhaps an educational center or “University of Native American people” in the pueblo world or even connected to Mayans, Aztec’s or Toltec’s. Read Wiki on theories like this for Chaco Canyon many Youtube speculators including yours truly..

    T T

  36. Thanks for the correction, JDA. Yes, Forrest said the east side. Not sure what made me go left. Wasn’t done intentionally, and don’t want to put out wrong information.

  37. I just re-read “Charmay and Me” from TFTW and just a few small differences jumped out to me.

    First, is something in the book that was omitted in this SB: When Forrest discovered the hidden jar, he said it was filled with corn and roly-poly bugs; whereas here he just mentions the corn. The pictures in this SB are new, but on the image of the corn, I can’t really make out if there are bugs there or not.

    Second, is something in the SB that was omitted in the book: Forrest mentions setting his bowl of soup on the flagstone lid and hearing a hollow sound. In the book, Charmay spontaneously asks Forrest to look under the lid and she comes off as almost psychic.

    Finally, although the book doesn’t include a photo of the basket, it does include an illustration of the dragonfly symbol which may be significant. I guess it’s oftentimes symbolic of water. I’ll file that one away in my ever-growing list of possible forms that a blaze could take.

  38. Blex, nice of you to post the comparisons for all to see…Thank you.

    – Interesting that the bugs are missing. Roly poly’s eat decaying plant material. Maybe they’re full of corn and excused themselves from the mesa/table.
    – Charmay ‘comes off as almost psychic’ maybe she’s FF’s secret “Charm” to digging for hidden treasure in the Pueblo ruins.
    – sounds like we all agree the dragonfly FF symbol is important to Forrest
    On Sept 28, 2015 ff wrote the following here at Dal’s: An orange dragonfly rested on a water iris. He was very still – just looking. Another landed beside him (or her), and a third, and then a fourth….

  39. Thank you, Forrest. What a wonderful Scrapbook – and life lesson! Sometimes it takes a little extra time and effort to look under the surface and below the outer layers to discover something beautiful underneath; hidden from sight, yet within reach – visible only to those who are observant enough to detect it. 🙂

  40. Wouldn’t it be great to have been present when Forrest and Charmay made that wonderful discovery and experienced it as it happened? Reminds me of another Albert Einstein quote: “Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.”

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