November, 2019
Related Cultures?
I’m getting emails from some who want to see more of our collection. I hope you don’t think I’m over doing it.
This beautiful 9” Sinagua lady is a pitcher. She was made of clay in north-central Arizona, and I excavated her on a friend’s ranch. She had 2 holes punched in her from a previous encounter. Can you tell where I gave her some necessary medicinal repairs?
Dal thinks she’s ugly but what does he know about little ‘ole pottery ladies? He probably thinks her nose is too high on her face, and it is by today’s standards. But in her day, 1,200 years ago, she was right in the middle of what was culturally vogue. Her profile makes me want to agree with dal just a little bit.
When my trowel found this woman, she was resting supine in the volcanic ash-like dirt. The 151disc beads in her necklace were made of shell, catlinite, travertine and argillite. They had become unstrung over time, but were still in place. I restrung them on cotton. Same for her turquoise earrings.
Meanwhile, and 4,000 miles to the south, the Chancay Indians of coastal Peru were making anthropomorphic figures like this 6” guy. His eyes of ostrich shell are inlaid in his wooden face. The other facial features are made of shell beads. Notice that his nose is up between his eyes.
Inlaid in the right side of his headpiece is a recycled spiny oyster pendant (the other side probably had one also). Both sides of his earrings are inlaid with small slabs of turquoise, which are difficult to see because they are held in place with some kind of dark mastic.
For several thousand years most all of the cultures up and down the Americas, constructed their art from identical raw materials. It nearly always included turquoise from what is now the United States. f
Happy Thanksgiving Forrest, Dal, et al.
Just ffor ffun
Title: Relate Cultures
Serves up some of the most entertaining exact anagrams…
“ulcerated luster”
“Cared suture tell”
“A lectured result”
https://new.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=Related+Cultures&t=500&a=n
I had to stop at you post.
LED TREASURE CULT
Happy Thankgiving all !!
I like your anagrams, even though a bit crazy!
I hope you and everyone else has a great thans giving. My whole holiday has changed drastically and not for the better 🙁 My mom has cancer and she needed some Sub Q fluids. We had planned on going to Rehoboth Beach DE, near Fenton for those not familiar with the east coast to cook up a nice dinner. Instead we have to stay at a hotel in Baltimore, MD near Johns Hopkins where she is being treated by the best Docters in the world. I sit there in her room anxiously tapping my feet and then that makes her nervous. I told my husband we may as well stay in a nice hotel if we have to be away from home on a holiday.
The good and bad of it is that I don’t have to cook dinner for 5 to 6people. Cleaning up and tons of leftovers. Veggies are the biggest left overs because my crew really digs into that Turkey. The other things is that I am clumsy and end up cutting myself. I have the scars to prove it 😉 I hate to ask for help but my guests usually pitch in.
Take care everyone and talk to you all soon.
PS – my dogs The Artful Dodger( from all dogs go to heaven and Wicket (from Star Wars Ewoks) beg for leftovers. Do not feed yours pets left overs, it is bad for them.
Good thoughts and prayers for your mom Wicket.
Thank you very much
I really hope she can beat this cancer. I am going to hope that she beats this thing like Forrest.
242 – This is YOUR scrapbook! Happy Thanksgiving!
Ha Lisa, it’s the only time on Dals blog I’ve been numeral uno signing in or at anything. and my birthday is 4-2, hence the moniker.
42 – Cool! But don’t lose your head over it.
Or, you could end up like this poor guy, whose eyes were too low in his face:
https://www.paleodirect.com/pc017-pre-columbian-head-hunting-trophy-head-effigy-pot-of-the-greater-nicoya-culture/
Aren’t ‘head hunters’ people you call, when you are looking for a job?
Giggles.
Lisa, I have no illusions about any SB 2.42.
He doesn’t write scrapbooks for individuals. And if it was, I would be offended, these are honestly the two ugliest pieces he’s ever put online.
I guess it’s not about how they look , but rather what their look says. IMO .
@Alsetenash, that or it’s a pun on someone who has their nose out of joint.
@42. Or someon nose ( knows) something-right between the eyes? 3rd eye? Higher up the mouth?
Contemplating what may or may not be in this. I think no matter what a thought can be about any of these; I think there’s always something about something in them . IMO .
Put simply- I have no real good ideas ,yet . lol.
IMO .
It could be someone sticking their nose where it shouldn’t be 🙂
At some point it’s going to stab us in the butt!
I bet you’re not over doing it! What a nosy bunch…
Are you sure it’s ostrich shell? That would imply trade with Africa, which to my understanding has been only conjectured, and not proven. Maybe it’s condor she’ll?
Shell…stupid auto spell.
You see, that’s just the kind of thing I miss. Well spotted! Ostrich: head in sand???
I thought of that, but that’s too obvious. To whom would that be directed?
Most of us? Lol…
I think the more interesting aspect of this is the concept of related cultures – that trade was going on over thousands of miles within the Americas, and possibly even across the ocean. It must have been fascinating to be a witness to that pre-industrial interaction.
The other tidbit I noticed was that this seems to relate to one of the hidden phrases in the poem: “raise the nose.”
That’s an interesting interpretation of that line—but is it Forrest’s interpretation—or one that will lead you to perdition?
Ostrich. Head in sand. To whom would that be directed?
Maybe someone named Rich.
RLO, it’s just one of those interesting little acrostic type phrases, of which there are quite a few. Intentional? I’ve no idea. Perdition? I hope not!
MM, Gosh, I hope not!!
I prefer Ost (East) and rich. That suits me just fine! 😉
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“. . . that trade was going on over thousands of miles within the Americas. . . .”
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But most likely simple “down-the-line-trade”, not thousand-mile caravan routes.
(i.e., A trades with B; B trades with C; C trades with E, etc.; No Aztec pochteca travels all the way to Chaco and back.)
@Voxpops,
“raise the nose” is pilots terminology as well.
RLO-
Both the Nandu and the Rhea were commonly called Ostrich in South America…
and are distant relatives of the Ostrich. The shell of either was often referred to as Ostrich shell by white traders and even anthropologists because of its physical similarity to African Ostrich shell and its comparable ornamental application by native cultures.
Wow, that’s some in-depth knowledge right there, Dal!
Yes. Thanks. First time I’ve heard of such birds.
Dal made a mike drop on birds. Lol awesome knoledge.
He could probably also tell us how many licks it takes to the center of a tootsie pop.
Thanks Dal
Although sometimes too strix in his editorial decisions. IMO
@42 – thanks for the reminder regarding pilot terminology. The “raise the nose” phrase (and I hope I’m remembering it precisely) has been at the back of my mind for nearly two years now. But it was only with your reminder that the phrase “pull up” occurred to me. Makes me wonder…
@voxpops
You’re welcome. IMO Pilot & AF lingo (tango, etc) is sprinkled thru the poem. Good luck to you.
Spiny shell oyster, I believe. Sourced from Gulf of California, Baja. It is used extensively in SW jewelry and art.
Glad she is “sin Agua” since she’d probably leak. But I think these are amazing. I love hearing more about your collection. The one from Peru is just a figure, not a mask or vessel? I wonder which character it portrays? I think the America’s had a lot of interactions but I can’t guess about why the snobby high pitched noses.
I love seeing and reading about this stuff
I smell an aberration, My nose smells turkey cooking in the oven. Happy Thanksgiving Forrest.
Looks to me like that pitcher has some battle damage to the left hand and left knee. A little pompous but maybe that’s a little bit justified too or it would be in another place and time.
My favorite part is the end. How everyone can come to create differing ideas even though they all use the same raw materials and have similar goals.
I see a lot of parallels to what’s been happening in the sandbox of the comment sections.
I love reading about ancient cultures and your posts bring them back to life in a manner of speaking. What really fascinates me is your collection of Pablo Indian artifacts.
Thanks for sharing Forrest.
HDD
Have a great Thanksgiving Forrest, Dal and all searchers new and old!
She looks in proportion to me. I’m sure that is the way they wanted her to look.
Happy friendsgiving.
Forrest & Dal – What?! Do you have a problem with a female Shaman?? Nayarit, West Mexico:
http://www.ancientartifax.com/popups/nayarit_female_shaman.htm
It’s for sale, Dal. In case you change your mind about what’s beautiful, and what isn’t.
Giggles.
Dal – Oh, don’t go gettin’ your nose all outta joint! Scroll down for the info.:
http://www.ancientartifax.com/precol.htm
Lisa-
Thanks for the catalogue..
What struck me first about several of those items is their similarity to the clothing and artifacts of the Native American Coast Salish people of the area where I live.
In the 11th photo down a Zapotec figure is wearing what appears to be a woven hat…very similar in design to the cedar woven hats of the Lummi Indians who have occupied the area where I now live for longer than memory permits. Here is a photo of the Lummi Nation hereditary chief Tsi’li’xw wearing such a hat:
https://www.sacredfire.foundation/elder/bill-james/
And further down in that catalog (about #30) is a rendering of a condor on a plate. We don’t have condors up here but we have other animals sacred to the Coast Salish and their traditional depictions of them are in a very similar style. See Here:
http://movingforms.blogspot.com/2013/01/i-ordered-some-art-card-prints-from.html
Don’t you think that is interesting?
Dal – You are welcome! So interesting to me. Thanks for sharing that!
Remember the Nazca lines? Read “Chariots of the Gods”, when I was 13. Maybe aliens helped to spread the word to Lummi Island?
This is awesome, Dal. Thanks for sharing. Thanks to Lisa also for the cool links. I could read about this stuff all day!
Bryan Eagle – You are welcome! Me, too. I kinda do that.
Thank you, Forrest and Dal, for always inspiring me to learn and explore.
Dal – Forrest’s figure from Peru must have been wearing the Moche Copper Ear Spools in each ear. Did you see how big those are? It says 2.5 inches in diameter and 3.0 inches deep. That’s heavy! Don’t they start with small ones and work their way up in size? Those are really long, stretched out ears on that figure!
Lisa, would you say ears like that are a little brash?
Dal – Talk about having your ‘ears lowered’, right?:
https://www.1stdibs.com/art/sculptures/figurative-sculptures/unknown-pre-columbian-west-mexico-nayarit-woman-figural-sculpture/id-a_5345312/
That’s a pretty big nose ring. Reminds me of that expression about being ‘led by the nose’.
That’s an interesting take. As if the SBs are supposed to be leading us somewhere and we need to be less resistant.
One of the best features of these scrapbooks is the email system. You get one point of view as we follow along in real time, and another entirely when it bounces through your inbox.
If you are a lurker, you’re missing out. Now is the time to say hello. IMNSHO
I agree. Selecting to have comments emailed assures you get to read posts Dal decides he must delete from the board. I’ve had a few of mine go “poof!”
You probably get half as many emails as the rest of us 😉
I talk a lot when I’m excited.
What if I told you I busted my left hand, left knee, and spine in the war?
Would that interest anyone?
I’d listen to the story!
Two it is.
Happy early Thanksgiving all!
They’re amazing! But to me, they both seem to have “big heads”. Hope the heads weren’t intended that way for the owner. Maybe the “finder” is exempt!
Mickey
P.S. Forrest, these items weren’t found on the “Trail of Tears”, were they?
She’s a pitcher and she does bear a resemblance to Dizzy Dean.
Hahaha. I love this comment.
Nice pieces. I find it interesting of the inlaid used, as well as, adding “jewelry” to a pitcher. Was it designed for use or for art? The female looks as if she was looking up to the sun.
Forrest Happy Thanksgiving, and thank you for giving so freely of yourself to us. I think the only thing over done on your Scrap Books is the analyzation done to every word you write. But what you do is never over the top. Great reference material Dal. A Happy Thanksgiving to you too!
Another very informative post Forrest. A bit confusing because I do not fully understand the cultures, but very interesting and useful none the less – Thanks fort the post – JDA
Being an authority on all things cultural I am compelled to provide comments on these “exquisite” forms of antiquity.
The first figure appears to have been hit by arrowheads. It was probably fashioned in the likeness of some angry woman’s ex-husband. After a couple shots of successful marksmanship, it was kicked to the curb, it’s usefullnes fulfilled.
The second figure, a perfect example of anthromorphism, would be the Donald Duck, the Mickey Mouse, the Goofy of its time. In fact, the artist is the ancestor of the late great animator Walt Disney.
Please let me know if there is anything else you would like to know about these rare artifacts. There’s a lot more where that came from.
You’re welcome.
Hey Mr. Obvious, Mickey Mouse is my nickname. Surely you’re implying something good, not bad, right?
And yes, I’m female so it should be Mini, but my all-time favorite disney character is Mickey… Guess you can blame it on the “Tom” boy in me.
Of course, I’m sure you were already aware of the obvious.
Mickey
You had me at Hey, Mickey. Aware? I don’t miss a trick.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family Forrest. I’m glad you are not over “doing it”. But don’t overdo it. Everyone on this site is doing that already. Hope all is well with you and yours.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
I’m thankful for the chase and the wonderful people who partake 🙂
Funny as ever, Forrest!
A pitcher,perhaps Dizzy Dean?, has taken some battle damage (injured in search?) and seems reluctant to take action. They have become unstrung and Forrest pieced them back together.
Forrest is not too sure about the way IT looks, but what is a guy to do?
The pitcher (Dizzy Dean?) measures 9 (clues?)….The 151 beads that were unstrung and are now fixed: The meaning of number 151 seeks to encourage you to focus on what needs to be done and have the strength of will to follow through on your plans. Angel numbers 151 also symbolize attainment, which you can have if you will listen to good advice and your inner wisdom.
Dark Mastic….sounds almost tarry.
Dizzy Dean is also known to be brash and make public predictions.
Of course, one might turn that around and say that Dizzy Dean is looking for input or waiting for someone to refute his (or her) predictions of the obvious. Kind of like Forrest does when he makes an obvious mistake waiting for someone to correct him.
Mr. Obvious? Any wisdom?
Needless to say, we’re all here looking for clues in order to simplify things and walk straight to the treasure. But since the turkey is so far away from me personally, all I can do is gobble some more stuff(ing) and search the Forrest for desert…
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Mickey
Obvious he says. Care to give it a whirl?
Hi Akb, me is a she, not a he… I left whirling and twirling behind as a kid.
Just a supposition about Dizzy Dean and Forrest’s SB… As mentioned, the thing that’s obvious is that we’re all still looking.
No offense intended. My apologies.
Sorry, I forgot to mention…
My mention of “Mr. Obvious” was directed toward the person who posts under that name, not you. Sorry for not clarifying that.
Best, Mickey
Caller: “Mr Obvious, where and when do you think the treasure will be found?”
Mr Obvious: “Why in New Mexico off course”.
How’s that for brash?
I guess you got me for being brash. My Forrest desert is now humble pie. Maybe it’s also best that I just read and not post.
Mickey signing off…
Sorry…….r
What’s to be sorry about?
“I hope you don’t think I’m over doing it”
Correct: “Overdoing”
https://www.wordnik.com/words/overdo
Forrest, What don’t you want us to think you are over or beyond doing?
Exactly 42….and I hope it’s in reference to sharing his art, imagination and knowledge.
What do you hope it is not in reference to geyser?
Is that a trick question….or am I just tired! Good one….have to think about that AkB.
Not a trick. Just curiosity. Trying to see it all from all angles.
Dal doesn’t know art ..she is beautiful ..
B ..
Fascinating pieces. Those are really prominent noses. It’s been a number of years now that I’ve been involved the chase and, I have to say, I’ve particularly enjoyed this year, especially with all of the recent SBs.
Forrest, this is your legacy and I love that you seem to be having fun. Keep sharing. Your stories are always something I look forward to seeing.
I don’t think Forrest is over doing it. I think the scrapbooks are great and I have learned alot from Forrest and Dal about all sorts of stuff.
I would like to say happy Thanksgiving to everyone that’s celebrate.
I’m gonna spend Thanksgiving working on treasure stuff as there’s no such thing as a day off in this business.
Forrest, with the little ‘ole lady being intact for the most part when you excavated her, what do think happened to her left arm? Broken off long before? or was she discarded because it broke off?
Happy Thanksgiving, Forrest and fellow searchers!
Thank you, Forrest, for giving us the gift of turquoise this Thanksgiving holiday. There is powerful mojo in this stone. It is called the “rock star” of all healing gems and was worn by King Tut and Queen Cleopatra. It’s powers of healing and protection are almost phenomenal.
According to Jennifer Bourn at bourncreative.com, “Turquoise is believed to help neutralize over acidity, increase growth and muscular strength, and alleviate gout, stomach problems, viral infections, rheumatism. Turquoise also is believed to be an anti-inflammatory that also helps to enhance communication skills, and calm the mind and body.” Indeed, it is a perfect gift for the holiday season.
The Native Americans believe that turquoise is a bridge between heaven and Earth, and if there is anywhere modern man needs a bridge, it is definitely there. Some mountain-dwelling Native Americans were known as “dwellers under a turquoise sky.”
I wish I could give everyone on Earth of piece of this stone, because it is a strong symbol of friendship, and brings peace to the home and good fortune to the owner, a powerful stone of protection and healing. Although the most valuable turquoise is uniform in color, my favorite stones have the spiderweb pattern (matrix), which is caused by the presence of iron oxides and makes each piece so unique.
Happy feasting!
I began collecting turquoise in 1976 when I was ten . I visited every native Indian artist in Arizona and every native Indian art show .. I have 1400 pieces of turquoise, some polished but most raw, collected over more than 40 years, from every turquoise mine in the world .. when I die I am going to give them to the Hopi, the Tewa and the Zuni and ask them to make whatever art they wish out of them and place them on and among my secret sandstone and limestone grave near the Pharaoh Cliffs above the Colorado River ..
Brad ..
Brad, amazing! This is the same year my husband and I started collecting. Haven’t thought out the future plans for our turquoise though.
Mickey
Wow! That’s an awesome collection of turquoise you have there. I hope they bring you all the good benefits of health and happiness that they promise!
Blue Fox, this was for you, in response to your original post on this thread. This is my first time posting, so I wasn’t sure if it was clear. “ Wow! Eloquently and compelling enough to motivate me to find you
some turquoise. However, it seems I wouldn’t have enough money to satisfy your exquisite taste. If I were able, where would I send it?”
Wow! Eloquently and compelling enough to motivate me to find you
some turquoise. However, it seems I wouldn’t have enough money to satisfy your exquisite taste. If I were able, where would I send it?
Ever since being a rock hound as a small child, I’ve had a fascination with turquoise. The color is like no other rock. So, it’s no wonder now in addition to painting, I make turquoise jewelry in fine silver, gold and sterling. Too bad we can’t post pics.
That’s a cool hobby. I hope many will get to enjoy your jewelry and its benefits.
Here’s one example. Sorry Dal. Delete if you must.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F123442056815
RLO,
The turquoise ring You designed on eBay is Elegant in its simplicity. If I were a rich woman, I’d buy it tonight.
Thank you.
Ron, Gorgeous jewelry!! Beautiful paintings. The whale caught my eye and captured my heart. You are an amazing artist. Thank you for sharing.
🙂
Beauty is in the eye of the Bholder. Two great finds Forrest.
She may not be the hottest girl on the ranch, but she sure is the most Interesting !
“… inlaid with small slabs of turquoise, which are difficult to see because they are held in place with some kind of dark mastic”. This line is suspicious to me. I think the key to this SB is turquoise, also the color of greenish blue water.
Or maybe he is trying to draw our attention to color in general?
I love that Forrest goes excavating on his friends ranch. I bet he carries around an excavating kit like a Doctor would a medical bag and just starts digging.
What a fun find. Did you fill it with beer and celebrate?
Ancient growler. Bring it to Cleveland and fill it with some Forrest Fenn IPA.
Mastic – The mastic tree is drought tolerant and grows in rocky, dry climates, has berries, is made into resin, astringent, chewing gum, and has medicinal purposes. I need to re-read SB 49 Sweet Fragrances.
That Sinagua lady looks like her profile mirrors the rock overhangs from Walnut Canyon National Monument where she lived. Her nose seems like a biophilic functional design decision…
Maybe she was designed to capture water trickling out from the canyon walls?
https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-americas/walnut-canyon-home-pre-columbian-sinagua-people-005689
Amber – Cool! Thanks!
Wowzers – those are some seriously ugly biddies! They make gonzo look like Brad Pitt.
Okay, I will say the obvious,
that first one looks like a phallic fertility pot.
It wasn’t that obvious Michael….but it is now! I like the way you think.
Hahaha. Now I can’t unsee it.
Sometimes when people ask me what I do for a living, I tell them I am a stay at home mom.
I think it’s funny because I am 6’ and 230 lbs and I kinda look like that pot if you were to swap the two faces.
Plus, I’m a stay at home mom.
I’m gonna go on the www proverbial record and state that the TC in def located in the United States of America….or Africa. I don’t offer this as opinion…sorry Dal.
My Silver sun compass is pointing out of control.
Any ‘Ole timers here remember Cognito? Wish he’d chime in (albeit crazy) during this flurry of bias overload…hope his son is ok.
The phrase over doing “it” could be interpreted as:
1.) he hopes we don’t think he’s done reading and writing e-mails or
2.) he hopes we don’t think he’s done collecting artifacts.
I hope he’s done collecting.
Goldilocks – If Forrest wrote:
“…not over doing it.”
And Michael H. says the first figure is a phallic fertility symbol.
Then…well…what is Forrest REALLY saying here?
Wink. Giggles.
There are always three possibilities. You’ve only listed two.
In a way she looks happy to be out of the ground. She is lucky to be in good hands.
I thought this was going to be about too far to walk??
Guess not…
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone
Anywhere is too far to walk when the potter forgets to shape your legs.
The term “medicinal repair” Forrest is using would reveal how he feels about the spirit the object has, which is how the native who created this felt about it …it lives.
So an ancient piece of pottery like this is a rarely found intact or perfect , it must die and be broken for the spirit to be release. The creator/owner must do this or the belief is the objects spirot will be trapped. Bad for object and owner. There is much more to this belief, but TT is with family and will be off the grid a few, so I wish I had more time to get into what wampum like shells were to exchanges of value to Indians.
Happy Thanksgiving to you all
Very interesting, I’d like to know more about this. I guess this will be my afternoon reading.
Happy Thanksgiving TT.
Tom Terrific – Thanks for sharing that! I believe I read about that practice in Doug Preston’s great book, “Lost City of the Monkey God” or in “Jungles of Stone”.
Native Americans and pre-christian Celts believe that Life – the Great Spirit of the Creator who formed earth and the stars and the animals and the humans and the Great Spirits of our Ancient Ancestors who remain to guide us on our journey here in the Fourth World and on to the Fifth World – exists in everything and at all times – Trees, Rocks, Pebbles, Rivers, Lakes, Ponds, Wind, Animals, Plants, Grasses – everything that christians and modern society humans mistakenly think is dead and lifeless and without any soul at all .. Earth Mother herself is a living being and the stars and planets of Father Sky are living beings .. it is why we care for the animals and the plants and the rivers and the rocks .. it is why Earth and Air and Soil and Water is poisoned and injured and scarred by our mining and our drilling and our over-fishing and our nuclear waste and our dumping of black petroleum on the green grass and the fresh water and the clean air .. we do not show respect for the things that give us life and teach us the ways of earth and how to communicate with Mother Earth and Father Sky and the Great Spirits of our Ancestors ..
B ..
Makes me wonder what the world was like before humans and the smog, and destruction. Betting it’s a pretty place then!
That’s really interesting that South American civilizations sourced their turquoise all the way from North America. I see that in modern day turquoise can be found in Northern Chile, but I’m assuming those deposits were undiscovered back in the day. Another new thing I learned: the word “turquoise” comes from the French word for “Turkish” because it was through trade with Turkey that turquoise was first introduced in Europe. Interesting; I never knew that!
Hope everyone has a safe and comfortable Thanksgiving!
Yes, odd that they’d transport it such a distance….Econ 101, I suppose.
Yes, odd that they’d transport it such a distance….Econ 101, I suppose.
Happy Thanksgiving to all. May everyone be safe in their travels to be with family and friends – TRY and STAY SAFE – JDA
Two Forty Two, finally. And Mega Millions jackpot is at 243 million, is that a sign? I’m sure that my tickets for that are worthless, but if I can just figure out the secret message in these scrapbooks I won’t need to win any of those other things.
Kidding aside, keep them coming Forrest. And everyone have a great Thanksgiving.
This then would be an olden pitcher, as olden is defined as related to ancient times”.
Happy Gobble Gobble Thanksgiving Day!
Mastic: an aromatic gum or resin that exudes from the bark of a Mediterranean tree, used in making varnish and chewing gum.
Gum has been brought up in the past.
Ostrich shell…. big shells.
First of all, happy Thanksgiving all!
SB 240: “Sweetgrass maintains its pleasing smell for months, and then suddenly, it’s gone.”
Now we have a couple great objects with the focus on the nose. I don’t know what to think of that just yet.
When the nose is up what do we see? Heaven, Clouds, and STARS. GOOD NIGHT SWEET PRINCE.
TT
TT,
I’ve looked at the view with the nose is the air and the view of the slightly bigger picture, man, it’s just an unreal view. Awe inspiringand I honestly have no idea if it gets any better than this kaleidoscope, on ones back, boots on, and just stupid crazy genius. The 8th wonder-land of the world. One could have T Horns even!
Those repairs look to be long over-do but some “crack pot” broke the mold, I’m sure. And 7 1/4 inches is a “chunk” of time in my book.
But it’s almost time to get snooker’d…the egg nog is yummy this time of year.
But back to them stars…
ByGeorge
Reminds me of a similar pitcher(?) in this pottery article:
https://issuu.com/devonisaiah/docs/flsf_pottery_-_forrest_fenn_edi2
Happy Turkey Day one and all !..
I think she looks pretty good. I believe I see the two holes punched in it. The shards were probably inside the pitcher and it appears using the original materials, it was puzzled back together, as it should be. Nice work Forrest. If I ever have a difficult puzzle I know who to call. g 🙂
Just Kidding of course. I have been involved in sports my entire life and never have I seen a greater challenge. g
Happy Thanksgiving
Happy Thankgiving! 🙂
Darn fingers didn’t catch up.
Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Turkey Day to all !
I love it Forrest, Happy Thanksgiving Everyone.
Happy Thanksgiving All!
It’s like watching Antique Roadshow without the prices. Love it!
If during those years everyone was using the same materials to make things, how do you know correctly which people made it?
I can’t really tell where you repaired her, but I would guess where the crack is.
After more observation, I see a stylized ram or maybe a domesticated goat figure in the Peruvian artifact. The spiny oyster appliqués, if they were there in entirety, would be the horns. The concentric “Greek key” patterns on either side are the ears, replete with earring ornaments. There are four vertical legs, below.
Anyone else see that now?
Enjoying the chase on an early Thanksgiving morning.
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
There are five “legs” visible in the photo. No way to tell if there are more ’round the back of the figure base.
How do you know they are all legs? Stylized…
😉
Which one would you say *isn’t* a leg?
J A Kraven – Kind of like beads on a certain bracelet …you cant see all of them in the picture provided. Are you in D-town for Thanksgiving this year?
Sally Colorado – Great observation!
The pitcher reminds me of the stout bodies looking up to the sky of the Moai statues on Easter Island off of Chile (warm waters halt where it’s chilly). Whether carved from clay, wood or stone you are right Forrest, these ancestral representations contain similarities across many different cultures and are a reminder that we are all related.
Goldilocks – I googled images of the Easter Island Mpai statues, also. To see if their eyes were low in their faces. They were not.
If you follow the thought that the pitcher could be Dizzy Dean….measures 9 (clues) and their 151 (focus to finish) beads were unstrung but Forrest has now gathered, then the bottom figure is Forrest who states/questions if their cultures (beliefs, attitudes) are related.
Forrest with the ostrich eye (head in the sand because he cant bear to watch) and slightly smaller stature. He is definitely easier on the eyes and miraculously, although scratched up, has not suffered the battle damage.
Every angle presents a new view. I can’t tell, but wherever they were those holes are gone.
Please keep sharing these wonderful items…and their stories….every bit as much, if not moreso, the treasures as the pieces themselves.
Happy Thanksgiving!
atb
I think the pitcher is from South America too
If I was a dog… I’d be like…. woohoo, a fire hydrant!
But keep it indoors and not worry about his tags.
Happy Thanksgiving!!!!
I wondered about Forrest using cotton instead of some other fiber, like wool or yucca thread for the earrings and necklace on the Arizona pitcher, so I did some searching and found this bit of info worth sharing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cotton#Americas
Thank you for sharing. Cash crops!
I really enjoy these Wikipedia articles.
Goes to show the repairs made were with authentic material! He did a good job.
Anyone see the Green Vault snatch/heist that just took place? Forrest, you’d better take extra precautions with your collection until this wild bunch is caught!!
#signofthetimes
Nice jug. Well preserved and conserved.
If we look at European art from CE 1000 and again at CD1600 we would find little stylistic similarities between objects made within the same cities only 600 years apart.
When we find an object in the ground, we can usually tell from where it originated because of the differences, rather than the similarities, in style and materials.
I think art and culture everywhere in history is basically similar because of the reality of life’s necessities and subjects of human interest, like jugs, chess pieces, jewellery and animal forms. Cultures may or may not be related with or without using the same raw art materials, IMO.
How can you tell it’s a she and not a he? By the ear rings? That’s it?
Hips and chest.
Good point.
That makes me think the jug is more of a urinal than a water service.
Urine was used to tan leather and a few hundred years later it was distilled to make gunpowder. Thankfully it is only now harvested to de-ice my front sidewalk, and it comes from cows and colored blue.
I’d tell you, from 40 years of marriage how to tell, but then I wouldn’t make it to the next searching season alive. haha.
I’d tell you, from 40 years of marriage how to tell, but then I wouldn’t make it to the next searching season alive. haha.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Who ever made those really put some thought and care into them. It’s amazing to see how images have changed through the centuries and what was pleasing to the eye then and now.
For a modern “beholder” to actually see the uniqueness and craftsmanship that they were meant to depict, shows their eyes always look for the beauty in everything, even a smashed coke can!
Brava to you, Mr. F, and a Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family and the entire chase family!
I too, see beauty everywhere, even in a trash pile!
¥Peace¥
One’s trash is another’s treasure.
Dear Forrest:
I am glad to hear you are not over, doing it. Especially given the volume of requests you no doubt receive.
I love getting these scrapbooks because I never know what’s coming. They have helped me expand the range of things I think about, which is a lot of fun. I’ll miss them, but I know we all have to go on, even when we think about the possibility we might one day loose something we love. Every chapter has an ending, just like every community has a place for retirement.
Hope you had a good turkey day. My thanksgiving didn’t require any skill of the hunt, like it did in the old days, but having all the little ones together in one place was plenty to be thankful for.
Take care,
Really 151 beads? Looks more like only 130 at best. Did you count them Forrest?
Turquoise, it’s a sacred stone, believed to contain powerful medicine and a direct connection to the sky and water, mother earth, etc. I have an old large blossom necklace with a huge piece of turquoise as pendant. This stone has a crack in it, not viewed as a defect, but rather a crack that resulted from the stone protecting it’s wearer from a blow/injury. Turquoise was/is highly regarded and sought by native American cultures. I have a collection myself, though not nearly as large a collection as it once was. Today the exact source of most turquoise can be identified by its color and matrix. Another common “trade stone” that was widely distributed was red coral, though its harvest and sale is now restricted/regulated.
I can definitely tell where the 2 holes were fixed.
Love these posts. If Mr. FF is reading the responses, please post something on the beautiful Indian Moccasin boots on a table I have seen in your house. Would love to know more about those!
dw
Forrest,
After my crazy Thanksgiving, we are heading to Wash. D.C. Tomorrow for sight seeing. I took my friend from the Czech Republic there in early October. She was amazed at the size and scope of our monuments and the beautiful marble. So anyhow, I have my list of things I’d like to see. The national car museum has 34 different and rare cars including a Tucker, my husband wants to go there. I want to see the 19 First Ladies Dresses in the Museum of Natural American History. Indiana Jones Jacket is on display sometimes, same as Dorothy’s ruby slippers. Sometimes they are taken out of circulation so they can be preserved. The last time I was there in Oct I wanted to see the Hope Diamond, I think that sucker is 35 carats if I remember correctly, but it was on loan to another museum.
The best building in the city is the Library of Congress, most people don’t know about it. The architecture is phenomenal and the painted domes and walls are a sight to see. At last count when I went there were literally over 800,000 categorized and organized. I am sure it is over a million by now. If you have a chance to visit D.C. you should visit there.
The one place on my list of things to do before I get too old is to visit the CIA headquarters to see the KRYPTOS enigma. I am not sure if you have worked on that puzzle but I think I won’t bother with it anymore. CIA is over the river from downtown DC so I think I will take a bus over. The view from there should be beautiful.
Where would you visit in DC? Have you been before? I will let know how my trip goes.
I thought Dorothy’s slippers and the yellow brick road were both lost to time. That’s cool to know.
FF -PS – when I was between 23 and 24 I went to the Air and Space museum. I bet you would love it! I spent 3 hours there because it was so interesting. I know I won’t have time tomorrow because Washington is always a charlie fox with tourists on the weekends.
Take Care
The Vietnam Veterans Memorial. I haven’t paid my respects yet but will.
I have heard they have a memorial for the nurses there as well, I think of it when I talk to a friend who was a corpsman during the war. Alot of people fought and died there, glad they have memorials that people can visit and pay respect to. Not to mention for the next generation to learn from.
There is a Battle-Scarred Vietnam War Combat Veteran UH-1 Huey on display in the Museum of American History – 091 – I spent several years in the early 2000’s restoring her and getting her flying at Vintage Flying Museum in Fort Worth, then in 2003 -2004 we [not me personally, but Huey Pilot Bruce LeMoine] flew her around the country, interviewing Vietnam Veterans for the Docu: ‘In The Shadow Of The Blade’ ..
B ..
Maybe Dal will get pictures of the helicopter to go with Forrest plane pictures!
Talk about coincidences…. but I plead the fifth.
The clue in this SB: “It” is (near)by today’s “standards”
Another possibility from this SB: “blaze” may equal “badge” – – Who cares how it’s spelled if the reader knows exactly what you mean…(esp. given recent “label” “tag” references…)
I believe the two holes punched in her were from the heel of a horseshoe. g
I thought it was referring to the piercings.
She wouldn’t be so lopsided is she had 4 holes 😉
Is anyone still enjoying pie or is it all gone? My husband enjoys his pumpkin pie, he thinks it great!
She can’t contain herself, as it is, with two….with four, she could hold nothing back!!
Yeah, the punkin is great. But the pecan topped with whipped cream is to die for!!! ( and we’re not talkin’ Reddi Wip or Cool Whip) 🙂
I just recently lost 2 dogs, Pork Chop and Dale, I cry thinking about them. In any event, they loved to chase the horses at our neighbors house and got kicked by one. Maybe that is the same horse……
I’m sorry to here about your friends. There are more with us at the shelter waiting, sad and confused , for someone. g
The beads or an earring may have given her away. g
Amazing ceramic, there, Forrest.
I once referred to the Sinagua homebase as the “cradle of dry, Western civilization.”
Indeed, I don’t expect he’ll hang up his spurs just yet.
Besides, it’s going to be 2:42 again somewhere.
It’s interesting that SB 242 contains the number 151.
Should we be thinking about the importance of Symmetry?
Always. My favorite is Super Symmetry.
It’s a fun word to say maybe we should 🙂
Now I gots to go learrnt what it means…:)
I think she was used as a piñata and got punched hard in the gut a few too many times. Unstrung beads rather than candy fell out of her holes.
Playing scrapbook catch-up.
Common denominator in these two objects: high noses.
Nose in the air. ? Haughty ?
Speculation aside, I hope I look half as good at her age.
I want to thank you Forrest, for the Peruvian connection in both our lives.
I know I had always wondered if there was any Peruvian gold in Indulgence. At least now I know you do have Peruvian culture scattered in your collection.
My days in Peru I did manage to take in the Inca culture with the Spanish influence in many places there. Cusco to “Machu Picchu” and also did some sand surfing out by the Nazca Lines and Paracas. There is a lot in Peru to be admired and you have a piece of that culture. Do you have more?
Forrest, my other question is, have you ever had the chance to go to Peru?
Now that I have been away I see I have some catching up to do here at hoD SB’s.
Thanks again Forrest.
Bur
Forrest, I see in SB 243 that you went to the Amazon River and got there guessing through Brazil since you left from there, so you did make to South America once.
Did you ever make it back?
Bur
Hi Bur;
Am going to have a bit of fun with your last post – Of course he made it back (To the United States)… I know, you meant, Did he ever go back to Brazil or the Amazon – Just pokin’ fun at Ya’ 🙂 JDA
Yep you got me there JDA. But did he?
Don’t fall in those deep holes in SB 243. I see someone trying to pull you in.
Bur
Good advice there Bur. I Agree – One must be aware of “them thar” rabbit holes, and being pulled into one – 🙂 JDA
…the black holz of research…
I find myself staring at the Sinagua lady pitcher with her nose pointing up to the sky, and wondering whether it could represent a place or a person. Sinagua means “without water” or no water, in contrast to a pitcher, which is a container that holds or stores water. Could either of these (or both) be hinting to his secret location? She was right in the middle of what was culturally vogue, after all.
On the other hand, when I see “pitcher” I think of Dizzy Dean. Many on the forums, including myself, associate Dizzy with a lead hunter, lead searcher, or any number of clever names that have been floated out there. So maybe Forrest is subtly alluding to a particular searcher. The prominent nose could be a message to “keep your nose up” or “don’t get your nose bent out of shape.” He could be hinting that “it’s as plain as the nose on your face!” ‘She had 2 holes punched in her from a previous encounter.’ Did the searcher get punched in the chest by 2 previous failed BOTG encounters?
‘Can you tell where I gave her some necessary medicinal repairs?’ Yes, and by the way, they’re real and they’re spectacular.
What a positive way of thinking – I like that!
An ill-advised attempt at humor using wordplay and Seinfeld references. Although I meant this all in a joking manner, my comments put Forrest in a negative light, and that was not my intention at all. My chase experience, like so many others, has been overwhelmingly positive. Forrest, as well as others in the community who may have been offended, I am sorry. It was in poor taste. I meant no disrespect.
all good
=’-(o_0)z
I can’t even see at which point the disrespect entered the comment.
Stonerolledaway and AkB – I agree. I thought it was a fun, insightful comment.
Remember, Socrates said to talk about IDEAS, not PEOPLE. But some commenting here on HOD will seemingly never, ever get that.
Ignore your detractors; that is what Forrest had to do, at his wildly successful gallery in Santa Fe, when his competitors were jealous of the attention he was getting. Some of them, subsequently, were forced to go out of business, I am sure. But the light of positive energy will always prevail. And good intentions are always recognized by like-minded and like-hearted souls. IMO.
Not offended here. There should always be room for humor. A short escape from everyday life, which takes itself so seriously. g
The only disappoinment I found in treasure hunting is botg with cactus and getting thorns in the rear end.
Either way, apology accepted.
Hahahahaha. Jason.
I curse the name of the person who left all those cacti out there lying in wait.
P’s… Never go BOTG with tennis shoes on. Rookie mistake and I hate that I made it.
Sienfeld, I like to throw out Sienfeldisms occasionally in my everyday conversation. Sometimes people miss it and just think i’m strange. Others get it and know where its from immediately. We have a taco shop in town that operates just like the soup nazi. I have learned how to move smoothly through the line, but got hung up on the hot sauces the last two times. The lady behind me whispered a nervous, boy they are serious here. If their fish tacos weren’t so good I would never put up with their rudeness. If they don’t like you they have no problem telling you where to go. No soup for you!! g
Note to selves, If west Yellowstone is in your future do not miss the taco bus. There are two. The one next to Eagle’s Store is a gem. Best mexican food this side of Mexico, IMO. No more than twice in a day though. g
ace340 – Do you work for the West Yellowstone tourism board? Does Forrest with The Chase? Aren’t you off topic here???
What would Seinfield say??
Giggles.
What is with this bored tourism anyways? Shouldn’t it be tourism excited instead?
No body wants to bored on vactions.
Bing cabing bing pctshta
Next year I’m taking the family to Yellowstone to search for warm waters to soak my rear end, and I’m taking note of the taco bus. Maybe they’ll have Fenn tacos. Brave burritos.
I am not convinced that there are stated or hidden clues in the Scrap Books by FF.
Forrest is a highly adept writer and wordsmith, and it seems more that the Scrap Books
are joys of wondrous things simply shared.
Thomas,
And that’s the beauty of it all. Maybe there’s 2 ways you can look at it. Not only is there beauty in his words, but maybe a delusion or two?
ByGeorge
Could be, but I am unable to see allusions to clues to the chase itself.
This does not mean I would not step on the exact location and keep going, staring at my GPS for the next valley.
Well, if it’s any consolation, I’m lost.
ByGeorge
Forrest,
I have had all of my cats cremated over the years. There will probably be seven in all when it’s my turn to go. My plan is to have them all mixed with me and all of our ashes spread somewhere wise.
Maybe I will come back as a cat. I hope I don’t get fleas! But then maybe I will have 56 more lives.
Time enough to nail down those nine clues!
s.
Wow Forrest, are you trying to create a modern day gold rush….to me the North-Central ewer is reminiscent of the rock formation on the cover of Shadows among the Ruins. Quite surprised you didn’t use cat sinew and your chert knife to re-string the beads.
Really is a fine line between ugly and peachy…
This scrapbook reminds me of something my mom used to say to me before I learned to whisper ..
“Little pitchers have big ears.”
Or maybe it’s just about some noses being too high.
A: In a jet with slats, the nose is slightly above the horizon, and the power is set to give the proper descent rate. When the slats and flaps are extended, the nose being above the horizon does not result in a climb unless the thrust (power) is set to a high setting.
My question is if one should look for a climb or decent to achieve the proper vector on my VOR.
TT
What’s your vector Victor?
If you knew Forrests vector Victor would that give you enough clearance Clarence do you copy Roger, Huh… Roger “What” Roger Victor, Clarence
vector to at least 2 NM outside approach gate
Theoretically if no FAF then no approach gate, but…
Pilot/Controller Glossary:
FINAL APPROACH POINT− The point, applicable only to a nonprecision approach with no depicted FAF (such as an on airport VOR), where the aircraft is established inbound on the final approach course from the procedure turn and where the final approach descent may be commenced. The FAP serves as the FAF and identifies the beginning of the final approach segment.
APPROACH GATE− An imaginary point used within ATC as a basis for vectoring aircraft to the final approach course. The gate will be established along the final approach course 1 mile from the final approach fix on the side away from the airport and will be no closer than 5 miles from the landing threshold.
The FAP is inherently variable, but serves as a theoretical FAF.
An approach gate will be “no closer than 5 miles from the landing threshold”
This is rough since the VOR and runway threshold are in different locations… but…
I assume your video map illustrates mileage somehow? 880 yards at 10,200′
This is close but 106.3141 X 37.0000 at 10’100′ see the book of Blazes. TT
Oh and keep your nose up…and clean if need a medicinal application in brown .
TT
Affirmative TT. I’ve got final approach fix and within runway visual range. CA clearing at least 2 for wheels down. Read? I’ll take it from here. Channel out.
RonnyLee, sounds like you are on the right wavelength, if we keep our nose up we may see Stars…
TT
TRy SC Book 151 for confirmation of heading…Polaris is now in clear view..
TT
Catlinite, Beads see SC Book 229 perhaps an important piece of jewelry holds a little secret in the Riddle: WWWH.
”At an ancient time the Great Spirit, in the form of a large bird, stood upon the wall of rock and called all the tribes around him, and breaking out a piece of the red stone formed it into a pipe and smoked it, the smoke rolling over the whole multitude. He then told his red children that this red stone was their flesh, that they were made from it, that they must all smoke to him through it, that they must use it for nothing but pipes: and as it belonged alike to all tribes, the ground was sacred, and no weapons must be used or brought upon it.”
Thunderbirds are such beautiful cars ff. SC Book 219, So how much did they sell for?
TT
I wonder if that beautiful lady was left during The Great Abandonment? She seems like something that a family would have prized and taken with them. Makes me wonder further what drove them away in the first place. I bet she felt like an orphan.